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Vikes99ej
04-28-2007, 10:40 AM
Hello everyone. Let's talk about what happens in here!

Round 1: RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma

Round 2: WR Sidney Rice, South Carolina

Round 3: CB Marcus McCauley, Fresno State

Round 4: DE Brian Robison, Texas

Round 5: WR Aunrae Allison, East Carolina

Round 6: LB Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma

Round 7: QB Tyler Thigpen, Coastal Carolina

Round 7: WR Chandler Williams, Florida International



My overall grade: B

the Laos
04-28-2007, 12:30 PM
Ad! Yeahh!

DHVF
04-28-2007, 12:34 PM
**** this team. We are ******* garbage directed by ******* garbage headed for a ******* garbage ass future.

swagger
04-28-2007, 12:47 PM
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA for Severe Punishment.

the Laos
04-28-2007, 12:50 PM
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA for Severe Punishment.

haha foreal, now that bum can get over his man love for brady.

rchrd
04-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Safe pick from a Childress perspective I think (over taking another QB, admitting his mistake then trying to develop him and the WR group, this way, pure pounding the ball behind the left side). Dont mind it at all.

Severe Punishment
04-28-2007, 01:06 PM
? why exactly is it "hahahah" for me ?

All I've ever said is I wanted value at 7. A.D. gives us decent value there.....of course, I agree with the concensus that he's not a guy that
will hold up over the span of a season. I expect he'll be injured by week 12.

And yeah, I wanted Quinn and think he'd have been a much better value
at 7, but to say "hahaha" is a typical Minnesota fan response.
The same fans that booed Daunte Culpepper and Kevin Williams
and boasted about how Chris Hovan and Troy Williamson would be "sure bets" to make Pro Bowls.

I've learned that for the most part to ignore what Viking fans "want" because they're uneducated on what it takes to create a winner.


....now, on A.D. IF and that's a GIANT IF ...if he stays healty, he will be a very good weapon for this team. To bad we still don't have a passing attack to take pressure off of the running game.

wogitalia
04-28-2007, 08:36 PM
Am I the only one who is devastated that we took Rice when Jarrett was still available. Ill admit that hurt me a little. Typical Vike pick.

At least we took AD, would have preferred Quinn, but Peterson is a good pickup.

Severe Punishment
04-28-2007, 08:59 PM
Jarrett is going to have a very tough time in the league.I do like the McCauley pick...would've prefered Dameion Hughes as I think his skill better transistions to the Tampa 2...but McCauley is a very good prospect as well..All in all I like the areas we addressed today. Got good value at 1, got the WR we desperately needed in 2 and took a guy who could be groomed to take over for Winfield at 3.Solid effort so far...time will tell if this day 1 was worth passing on a potentialQB, and if we took the "right" WR.

BuckNaked
04-28-2007, 10:28 PM
Loving the first day, probably not going to be able to watch the second day since I have a doubleheader tomorrow. We have two fourth round selections so looking forward to that.

KWill93
04-28-2007, 10:56 PM
Awesome 1st day IMO

Vikings4ever
04-28-2007, 10:57 PM
I give today's draft a B+. If RB had actually been a need, I'd say an A.

But hopefully we see a lot of this: http://maddenfb.com/photos/draftpicks/images/41/original.aspx

amesbear
04-28-2007, 10:58 PM
Can't say I'm too upset with day one. I like AD. Still can't decide if we made the right choice. I like Rice. Jarret would have been nice but I think Rice is quicker. His cuts seem tighter and his acceleration also seems better. Addressing the DB situation was an obvious need and we made a solid pick. Pretty good for the third round anyway. I am upset Paul Williams got away. I just liked the way he played. I'll be looking forward to day 2.

robert_in_bigd
04-28-2007, 11:09 PM
You guys had, by far, the best day IMHO. 3 Day 1 starters if they come in working "All Day."

Atlanta came in second.... not sure what they went WR for with all the number 1s they have invested in WR.

First day champs = Vikings.

General Zod
04-28-2007, 11:21 PM
We are going to regret passing on Quinn. But I didnt hate today like I expected.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 12:06 AM
Yea im not totally sold on the decision of passing on quinn, but atleast we passed on quinn for Adrian Peterson rather than Ted Ginn...

I love the second pick i love how we got a trade down with atlanta and picked up an extra 4th and still got Sidney Rice. I would have liked to have Dwayne Jarret but i think what it boiled down to is Jarret's character i dont think he was a childress guy.

I love the third rounder as McCauley is of GREAT value and i love his potential i would have also been fine to see Charles Johnson at that pick but i think childress made the correct decision in going with McCauley

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 12:08 AM
You guys had, by far, the best day IMHO. 3 Day 1 starters if they come in working "All Day."

Atlanta came in second.... not sure what they went WR for with all the number 1s they have invested in WR.

First day champs = Vikings.

No we had a good first day but i beileve that the Carolina panthers are the first day champs by far

Jon Beason
Dwayne Jarret
Ryan Kalil
Charles Johnson

that's one hell of a First Day

the Laos
04-29-2007, 12:49 AM
on day two, i hope we target beekman, ramirez, and barbre to help our line. i wouldn't mind taking allison or courtney taylor, but would much rather have a pass catching tight end like patrick or milner. only d end i'd like to see us take right now is robison. also for the defensive line if mcbean is still there, i pray to god we take him. i'm hoping for mcbean with the first 4th rounder, ramirez with the second, and milner in round 5.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 12:49 AM
I think it's way to early to "grade" drafts. Typically you do that 3 years after it's over. Right now all we'd be grading is hype.
Let's see how these guys react and respond to the position they get put in.

With that said I like the guys the Vikes took ...also San Fran, Atlanta, Cleveland, and Indy took great players for their system. I expect all 4 of those guys to make contributions right away.

I don't understand Houston's choices AT ALL. how they refuse to help out their QB's by neglecting their O-line is some sort of conspiracy.
I expect Matt Schaub to be knocked out of at least 3 games.
Kansas City too. Honestly, they lost Roaf, Sheilds, Turley....who the hell is even left to block for LJ ?

These 2 teams will have to share the "bonehead draft strategy" award for passing on O-Lineman to take skill position players.

litlharsh
04-29-2007, 12:52 AM
I'm hoping for Allison day two, or maybe Ben Patrick.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 12:55 AM
I believe i read somewhere that Herm Edwards believes that Good Offensive linemen can be found in later rounds

swagger
04-29-2007, 12:56 AM
? why exactly is it "hahahah" for me ?
Maybe because you've spent the better part of the last several months calling any Viking fan an idiot if they didn't want your manlover Brady Quinn at #7.

The guy had to freaking seek shelter in a private suite to avoid utter embarrassment. It would hardly be "valuable" taking Quinn at #7, and the facts prove it.

You were wrong again. As usual.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 12:56 AM
Allison and an O-lineman in the 4th would be just fantastic.
If we get say Allison and Rameriez. I'd be very happy with whoever else
we took in the 5th - 7th (even Marcus Thomas)

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 01:00 AM
Maybe because you've spent the better part of the last several months calling any Viking fan an idiot if they didn't want your manlover Brady Quinn at #7.

The guy had to freaking seek shelter in a private suite to avoid utter embarrassment. It would hardly be "valuable" taking Quinn at #7, and the facts prove it.

You were wrong again. As usual.
You're a liar and a moron. I've said I want value at 7. Find a post suggesting anything contrary. Otherwise s.t.f.u.

Yeah, he's still going home tonight a multi millionaire (he has the highest noteriety in the draft..his marketabilty is thru the roof now.
he gets a chance to start on a team that isn't going to give up 80+ sacks
has 2 solid weapons... a rising defense behind him and he gets to play so close to his family he'll probably need 50 tix for every game. He's still going to be one of people's 50 most beautiful people and gets to nail that sweet blonde that was on his arm all day long.

...yeah , feel sorry for him when something bad happens to the guy.

litlharsh
04-29-2007, 01:02 AM
She didn't have any tits.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 01:08 AM
like you'd kick her out of bed ..HA !.. and isn't that Urlachers sister ?

litlharsh
04-29-2007, 01:09 AM
oh ****

SORRY BRIAN YOUR SISTER IS BEAUTIFUL

wogitalia
04-29-2007, 02:58 AM
Few million takes care of the tits if you care that much...

I like our draft. I think we did alright. But I'd have preferred another player at every selection. Quinn, Jarrett and Hughes would have been my guys but it was a solid draft. Peterson was my 5th favourite at pick 7 and 3 of the others were gone by the time it came around but I think we are going to regret passing on Quinn for a long time. Peterson should be a good contributer though, if he can stay healthy, which I see no reason why he shouldnt.

I dont like the Rice choice to be honest. There were a good 5 players taken after him I'd have preferred, but most notably I'd have preferred Jarrett. I just dont buy him struggling, I never watched a game where anyone looked like they could cover him and he was just unstoppable in the end zone. Rice is a better WR prospect than most of the other guys though. I also dont like the South Carolina thing, we've been burnt there before.

Cant complain with Marcus. Would prefer Hughes who is a better fit, but if McCauley sorts himself out, he can be an elite CB. Makes for a good nickel back either way. He probably has the size to move to safety also, which is an added bonus considering how lacking we are there.

Overall I would say B- more on what could have been than what was actually done.

Kid_Ego
04-29-2007, 03:15 AM
No **** on the tits part and I thought it was aj hawks sister or some ****.

Any way Adrian Peterson was a good but not great pick Visions of two ex first round picks come to mind #21 and #26 i wont mention any names any true viking fan knows exactly which two.


Rice has way more potential and production then the Moron Meachum yall have been chest bumping about. Yes he does bring his own set of issues, Yes he could use more polish, But lets face it If he was a finished product hed a been there with CJ in the top 5

The CB I really think this is probably the best pick we made so far. Awesome athelete tough durable kid with production and even more upside. Im actually thinking he could be a great addition.

Why am I still waiting for some monumental screw up that only the vikings would do? And Im still kinda wondering why we didnt trade up to get Quinn. You add both Quinn and Peterson and we have the makings of what may have been a draft for the ages.

Solid draft so far We got alot of production and even more potential in our picks so far I really dont see how we get less then a B+ for this days draft. But we arent half done yet and I just hope we can put two solid days together.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 04:30 AM
Why am I still waiting for some monumental screw up that only the vikings would do? And Im still kinda wondering why we didnt trade up to get Quinn. You add both Quinn and Peterson and we have the makings of what may have been a draft for the ages.

I was kind of hoping they would trade back up to take him aswell im pretty sure they were working the phones trying but in the end it was probably too much for Childress's taste

wogitalia
04-29-2007, 06:12 AM
Why am I still waiting for some monumental screw up that only the vikings would do? And Im still kinda wondering why we didnt trade up to get Quinn. You add both Quinn and Peterson and we have the makings of what may have been a draft for the ages.

History has taught you to think like that. This offseason has only further proven the thought that you check your brain at the door to manage Minny. Plus, in 3 years time, taking AP over BQ may be that mistake. Would love the idea of us moving up for Quinn, but it's too late now.

amesbear
04-29-2007, 07:45 AM
No **** on the tits part and I thought it was aj hawks sister or some ****.

I think you are thinking of AJ Hawk being married to Brady Quinn's sister. And that chick that was with Quinn had a busted face too.

Ahf112
04-29-2007, 08:33 AM
The Vikings had the best 1st Day ever!
Adrian Peterson-ENORMOUS stud! He's gonna be amazing
Sidney Rice- I really like, I think he could be very good
McCauley- I also really like, could be great.

And don't complain about anything because look at some other teams and what they did..Like the Eagles takin Kevin Kolb at 36

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 10:18 AM
we just traded with tampa bay to go to pick 102 to take Brian Robinson DE/Texas. I thought we were going to take Josh Beekman but after Day one i have trust in the Front Office.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 10:58 AM
Just going off of the positions we took in order.

RB / WR / CB / DE


I'm going to be a skeptic that we needed a RB in the first.
Pittman IMO has similar value as does Peterson over the short term.
(Someone who can share carries) I like Peterson, just need to see him
hold up after taking some hits.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 11:05 AM
Yeah they were saying how Peterson needs to hit the defensive on the side instead of right on and getting hit but he is a punisher and Ive very happy with him and with Rice that was a great pick up, Speed and Hands. BTW Rameriz just went to the Lions.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 11:14 AM
I saw that...we're up next

I'm hoping we grab Aundre Allison , Brandon Frye or Josh Beekman.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 11:19 AM
We traded it away hmm for what.

wogitalia
04-29-2007, 11:22 AM
Not a fan of giving up a 6th to move up a few spots to take a marginal talent. He is pretty much exactly the same as Udeze is and everyone wants him gone. OL and LB are still screaming out that they need fixing.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 11:24 AM
Wonderful a trade.

Ya know if we were going to trade twice in the 4th round...why exactly wouldn't we strike a deal with the Seahawks for Darrell Jackson ???
This team is full of young unproven WR's....I thought for sure if D-Jax
was to be traded that he'd come here.
Are they STILL pissed off at Hutch sooooo much that they wouldn't take our pick for him ?


hahahha

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 11:28 AM
Do u know what we got?

wogitalia
04-29-2007, 11:33 AM
Traded for a 6th, 7th and future 3rd. Good trade if they honestly dont think we can help our OL, which clearly we can seeing as how we are basically just picking two bums out of the crowd each week to man the right side... but still a good trade.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 11:37 AM
Not Bad i guess. I guess we have ammo now that we can jump back into the 5th round and take a WR or OL.

General Zod
04-29-2007, 12:22 PM
Im starting to like day 2. We just took Aundrae Allison. He is a WR I really like for this round I think its great value.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 12:23 PM
Nice 5th round Pick. Allison and Rice will be very helpful.

chug o nomics
04-29-2007, 12:54 PM
Great draft so far, guys. Brad Childress is slowly instilling confidence in me.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 01:00 PM
I agree on the WR's .. Allison and Rice will be very helpful.
Would still have loved to have added D-Jax to the mix. We need
a legit WR. As good as these kids are ...right now they're just good
prospects.

I still think Brandon Frye from Virginia Tech would be great late value.
He's versitale and has nice footwork and decent strength. he's young
to the position and that's what's keeping him from being taken early.
Mason Crosby would be interesting also. Longwell is clutch and top notch.
But Crosby could be a "specialist" guy to boot kickoffs thru uprights.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 01:05 PM
yeah Crosby be intersting and i was just shocked that KC took Medlock over Crosby. I think we have to go OL in the 6th and then 7th fill some positions.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 01:12 PM
I'm suprised no one has mentioned what I feel is a very good 2nd day selection in Brain Robinson who gives us a speed guy off the edge. As many of you have pointed out RB was not a real need in round 1, but in every round following that we've done a great job of gettting top value and filling needs at the same time. I also think if we could pick up a project T late here it would be a good move. In compairison to last years draft I dont think anyone should be complaining.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 01:14 PM
I missed what we got in return for trading our 4th round pick to Dever I was told a 3rd next year and a 6th and 7th this year, but haven't seen us with a 6th round pick according to ESPN.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 01:14 PM
Christ...Houston finally pulled their heads out of their backsides and took
O-Line help. I predict Frye will have a very nice career.

Hmmm well there's still Tim Duckworth out of Auburn.
He did help pave the way for 1000 yard backs Ced Benson / Caddy Williams and David Irons. He's huge and a power guy. Not big on technique more of a bruiser style player.
And Artis Hicks is worthless. If we go O-line Duck is a guy I wouldn't mind seeing..
...but the longer this goes the more intreguing a Crosby becomes.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 01:20 PM
eh , I think last year people were most pissed off at how many day 1 picks we gave up. With those value picks you can do more (trade up...or trade for "better" higher rounders next year ..which would've been this year) but to trade up to grab a couple of projects (which Cook and Jackson clearly are) then yeah, I think the fans had every right to be upset.

Look at it this way, we could've very easily taken Mauirce Jones-Drew ...a guy who a TON of people thought was a late 1st early 2nd round talent.
We at that point had basically the same RB crew we started the year with, and look what he did behind a good Oline in jax.
Now last year we have Chester Taylor and MJD..then this yaer there's ZERO chance we would've taken Peterson.
As solid a pick as Peterson was this year, ...part of that has to do with
having such a horrible late 2nd day last year.
Then we could've gone Quinn, Okoye, Anderson or one of the top tier WR's or have traded down without having that huge "oh my God who will be our playmakers" at RB.

As for Robison , he's alright...a tad overhyped on message boards if you ask me..he's not real strong ,..not really fast and is a bit of a "workout warrior". He gives great effort on special teams and could potentially work
his way up to be a good backup WILL.

More picks this year is always more fun.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 01:30 PM
I'm expecting us to get an O-lineman in round 6 or 7.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 01:40 PM
Rufus not bad of a pick i mean he is worth a 6th round pick and he can help us in the LB core that isnt deep.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 01:41 PM
#176 Rufus Alexander... interesting

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
Dallas is going to mason crosby right here.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 01:47 PM
Not a fan of another OLB...but as long as we went this way I LOVE Alexander. He's a perfect fit for the cover 2 ..tampa 2. Great lean frame ..good hips and lateral movement in coverage...he's going to be solid.

I would've thought HB Blades or Brandon Siler an interior LB would've made more sense. EJ isn't proven there , Cirruci is a special teamer and we really have only OLB's moving over...we could still go ILB very easily with another pick. And by the looks of it, there should be great value there.

I'm wondernig why Duckworth hasn't gone.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 02:42 PM
For some odd reason coaches like taking two or more players from the same school... at the very least Alexander should be a good special teams player.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 02:45 PM
anyone else suprised to see Ben Patrick still on the board? Scott seemed somewhat high on him for awhile and I'm suprised to see him on the board still. I think he's great value for any team that gets him at this point. I would have liked to see us pick him in the 6th.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 02:54 PM
if he there in the 7th for us, i want him.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 02:58 PM
I was thinking that too about Ben Patrick. He'd be a nice addition.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 03:16 PM
I don't see Patrick comin here. Kliensauser restructred and Shiancoe signed for multiple years...the other TE who signed a 3 year deal (Dugan ?)...this ain't Mike Tice drafting anymore....yeah ! no more 15 TE's on the roster and no more Maryland reaches.

I'm thinking David Patterson DT OSU. You'd think we'd have taken one for depth by now.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 03:25 PM
I'd expect OL and DT to be our last couple picks since neither has been addressed yet.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 03:27 PM
we could take the Guard from Auburn.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 03:33 PM
hahahaha....4 project QB's to lead the squad.

Wonderful.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 03:35 PM
Tyler Thigpen?

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 03:35 PM
Uhhhh.......The classic Pick for a let down. lol. Tyler Thigpen hmmm should be cut before the season.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 03:41 PM
Evidently we're banking on getting one of those elite tackle prospects
for next year before we take care of that terrible right side of the line.

And 2 DT's going into the season is an embarrasment on not even knowing the needs of your own team.
I realize there are other ways to acquire players...but guys that come thru on trades are either disgruntled or long in the tooth.
Alexander wasn't a need and where we did have needs DT, ILB, and OT/OG we completely disgregard.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 03:48 PM
Yeah, that pick confuses me. I don't know where we are going to go with the last pick. I guess we are going to depend on UDFAs.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 03:55 PM
All i do is think postive and i feel that Tarvaris Jackson will become a good player for us and Peterson and Rice will give them great weapons to hand too and too throw too. I feel that we will be good but im worried like you are about the right side of the line and how many DT's will have. Ian Scott is still out there isnt he?

Vikings4ever
04-29-2007, 04:13 PM
Chandler Williams, WR at 233.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 04:14 PM
Another WR. Hmm I rate this draft a B+

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 04:17 PM
I think this draft went better than many might have expected. They didn't address DT or OL, but they should be able to signs a couple of UDFA's to fill some holes.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 04:18 PM
It's okay everyone. 7th round picks are usually training camp cuts, anyways.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 04:23 PM
Yeah, Im happy after this draft. It could have been alot worse.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 04:40 PM
It's okay everyone. 7th round picks are usually training camp cuts, anyways.
Tell that to Marques Colston. I realize he's the exception to the rule..but you don't throw these picks away either. There have been League MVP's and HOF'ers who go undrafted. Taking another QB and WR is a mistake.
I don't expect either of these 2 guys to get off the developmental squad all year (if that's even if they can make the team)

I think this draft should be graded (a term I hate) a solid C.
We addressed our nickelback situation as well as WR.
Peterson has a chance to be great...but this administration passign on Quinn will end up determining whether or not they made the right calls over the last 2 years.

How it is
QB - Jackson
RB - Peterson / Taylor
WR's - Rice / Wade / Allison.

How it could've been
QB - Quinn
RB - Taylor / MJD
WR's - Rice / Wade Allison

Childress is banking a TON on Jackson being more of a sure thing than he
probably is.

We neglected DT depth and help to a right side of an offensive line that
took more penalties than any other group in the history of the league
and didn't provide adequate passing lanes..nor did they open up enough
running lanes.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 04:51 PM
I'm sorry, I'm not a naive, ignorant Vikings fan, but I am not going to sit and ***** about this year's draft. There was no realistic way we were going to take Quinn. It just wasn't going to happen. Spielman and Childress were just BSing us and trying to mess with the other teams. Childress' ego is too big to admit that he made a mistake with Jackson. I could have put money down that we weren't going to draft Quinn. We should not be complaining about this draft, and we certainly shouldn't be crying about last years draft.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 05:11 PM
" We should not be complaining about this draft, "

Whose complaining ? Just because I'm realistic about our picks and not
the typical Viking fan who sees we took a couple WR's and a RB and
all of a sudden thinks this team is anything more than a 7 wins MAX team
doesn't mean I'm "whinning"...it merely means things could've been much better.
And I believe that had Arizona taken Peterson and left us with Levi Brown / Anderson and Quinn ...I don't see how we could've gone another way.
One of the main reasons why Quinn "Fell" is that the Browns finally made the smart move from the head and not the heart. They finally got the Oline help they needed...good for them. THEN they show some nuts and realize that even with Joe Thomas and Jammal Lewis that Charlie Frye and Derrick Anderson just aren't good enough for the league.
So realizing this they trade next years' #1 (a pick they'd likely have looked for a QB anyways) to get a sure thing in Quinn instead of the "is he a system QB" in Brohm. After Brohm there really isn't anything to get excited about as far as NFL QB's. potentially comin out next year.
They gambled. We'll see if it works out, I believe it will.
And I applaud their effort it doing MORE than "just enough"..which is what Speilman and Chilly did. They got a RB who could very well be the next Brian Westbrook....or he could turn out to be another Cedrick Benson or Caddilac Williams. Our right side of the line isn't good enough as it sets to MAKE a RB great..it'll have to happen because AD is as good as Viking fans will want to believe he is. I'm going to remain skeptical until he finishes 15 games without getting injured.

and we certainly shouldn't be crying about last years draft. This draft doesn't end with the 3rd WR we took. It doesn't end with Mr. Irrelevant it will really "end" in 3 years. THEN you can evaluate
what kind of a weekend this one was.
Not until.


And I realize you and alot of Viking fans will open up the papar tommorow and read a bunch of websites that give the Vikings a "Grade" of B+ or A
and get all excited. ..just for my amusment I went back those 3 years to
2003 and found the "draft grades" for our beloved purple warriors.
here ya go

"Minnesota Vikings: A
Kenechi Udeze, Dontarrious Thomas and Darrion Scott will help immensely for a team that needed speed on defense, particularly speed outside off the edge. Nat Dorsey and Mewelde Moore were my top two players available on Day 2 and the Vikings got them both. Rod Davis will also help the front seven and Deandre Iland is a versatile defensive back, while Jeff Dugan is a strong blocker at the tight end spot."

The complete draft review can be found here.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2825346

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 05:13 PM
I feel that Quinn was over-hyped due to the fact that he was a 4 year starter at Notre Dame. He has some big question marks and I personally thought the Browns gave up to much to get him. Adrian Peterson has hall of fame potential and I don't think anyone will denie that, does Brady Quinn really have that kind of potential? I don't think he does. He's had one of the better offensive minds coaching him and he still has some real flaws that some feel might not be fixable at this point. There is no chance a player like Peterson would have slid in the draft like Quinn did, and I guess 21 teams could be wrong but I think most if not all teams had Peterson rated higher than Quinn.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 05:18 PM
I never said we were going to be above .500 next year. I just said this draft was better than I expected.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 05:22 PM
What exactly were these "question marks" ??
I also believed he was overhyped in college. But not because of what he COULD DO...it was because it was what he COULDN"T do.
which was turn a very average team into a national contender.

He has not only the skill set and NFL body but he's more advanced (by probably 2 years) mentally over any other QB in this years class.

Over the past 2 years we've passed on Cutler, Leinart, and Quinn for Jackson...he damn well better be worth it. Or it will be Childress who pays the price.

As far as Peterson and the "no one can deny his talent" ...no one can Question any of the top 7 picks. but if potential were championships than the dome would be littered with lombardi trophies.
And no one can also deny Peterson's injury history. Right or wrong he has to prove he can stay healthy more than any other pick as well as prove he was worth when there's a much better class of RB's coming out next year ..and the year after.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 05:23 PM
Who do you all think the Vikings should be contacting as UDFA's?
Here are some I think should be high on the list...
Tim Duckworth, G Auburn
Kenny Scott, CB Georgia Tech
Julius Wilson, OT UAB
Ola Dagunduro, DT Nebraska
Joe Newton, TE Oregon State
Jessie Daniels, S LSU

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 05:24 PM
How it is
QB - Jackson
RB - Peterson / Taylor
WR's - Rice / Wade / Allison.

you have got to be kidding me with the WR's we all may not like williamson that much but there is no way that he wont be a starting WR on this team for the season opener there is just way too much money invested in him to not give him an ample amount of chances to break out

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 05:28 PM
There is no chance a player like Peterson would have slid in the draft like Quinn did, and I guess 21 teams could be wrong but I think most if not all teams had Peterson rated higher than Quinn.

your looking at it in the wrong way Quinn on slid so far because after miami there just wasnt any teams in need of a young QB I personally thought the Texans should have drafted him at #10 rather than just sticking with the most over rated player in the league Matt Schaub

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 05:29 PM
Sorry that "projected lineup" were how they would've looked at the end of next year (forgot to mention that)
Williamson I expect not to be resigned after this season.
There's really no reason to believe that all of a sudden he'll be able to catch the ball.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 05:31 PM
Sorry that "projected lineup" were how they would've looked at the end of next year (forgot to mention that)
Williamson I expect not to be resigned after this season.
There's really no reason to believe that all of a sudden he'll be able to catch the ball.

There's no reason to believe that he can't work hard to improve his problems, either.

RoyHall#1
04-29-2007, 05:33 PM
As a fan of the concensus team with the best draft (Browns) I want to say that when it's all said and one in 15 years, I think the team with the best draft this year will be the Vikings. Great draft.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 05:34 PM
We never passed on Cutler or Leinart and I'm confident had one of them fell to the Vikings last season they would have been the pick, neither did. I would personally rather have either Leinart or Culter over Quinn. Quinn has some accuracy issues something he probably shouldn't have after being coached by Weis. If Weis couldn't fix these things what makes other coaches feel as if they can? It's not as if I feel Quinn can't or won't be a good NFL QB, but he wasn't the BPA at 7.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 05:44 PM
I personally think we could have made a much more significant impact in this draft had we Taken Charles Johnson #72 overall and than used our 2 4th rounders to move back up and take Marcus McCauley or Daymeion Hughes depending on how far we could move back into the 3rd

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 05:48 PM
I also liked Charles Johnson, but I'm not going to complain with getting a guy with the kind of talent that McCauley has in the 3rd round.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 05:49 PM
I personally think we could have made a much more significant impact in this draft had we Taken Charles Johnson #72 overall and than used our 2 4th rounders to move back up and take Marcus McCauley or Daymeion Hughes depending on how far we could move back into the 3rd

That would have been good but on paper right now this Draft has been a Sucess .

amesbear
04-29-2007, 05:55 PM
I hadn't thought about it but I guess I would rather have Leinart over Quinn too. Good point MN. I think Quinn would be better than T Jack but IMO he would have been drafted at about the same place last year, behind Young, Leinart, and Cutler.

BuckNaked
04-29-2007, 06:00 PM
What happened to that 4th rounder we got from the Falcons trade? I could've sworn we only had one today.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 06:05 PM
We traded to the Broncos for a 6th, 7th of this year and a 3rd of next year.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 06:06 PM
They traded it to the broncos for a 6th, 7th, and a future 3rd.... damn you dynasty lol

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 06:08 PM
Haha lol, and we one had One 6th which is the one we got from the Broncos because we traded our 6th to TB to move up in the 4th to nab Brian Robinson which i think he would have been there when we original picked but whatever.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 06:11 PM
Yea i was scratching my head at that move

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 06:12 PM
I think we made out like a bandit at WR in this Draft Sidney Rice and Aundrae Allision(and in the 5th too) i was very happy

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 06:15 PM
There's no reason to believe that he can't work hard to improve his problems, either.
Ever the optimist. Maybe the Vikings secretly have the slew of horrible draft picks over the past 10 years working out at winter park "just in case" they decide to turn things around.

I'm not buying it. Williamson has some potential but to me he'll never be more than a prospect who wasted his true calling as a slot reciever slash punt returner.

The Dynasty
04-29-2007, 06:19 PM
Williamson has some potential but to me he'll never be more than a prospect who wasted his true calling as a slot reciever slash punt returner.

And that is what Miami Drafted so be happy about we didnt take Ginn.

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 06:46 PM
I'm elated about Miami taking Ginn.
Honestly I didn't want Jarrett either. Rice is the youngest and
had a great 2nd 1/2 of the year last year aginst some decent CB's.
He's the youngest (I believe) of all the WR's so he could be very valuable for a long time. However I'm not holding my breath until I see him play in a few games at this level.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 06:58 PM
Rice is only 20 right now, so age is not a problem for him. With the exception of him and Peterson, most of the players we drafted will turn 24 this year.

Crazy_Chris
04-29-2007, 07:12 PM
yea i agree im glad we chose Sidney Rice over jarret. Dwayne is good but Sidney's Potential is just insane

BuckNaked
04-29-2007, 07:20 PM
A problem I have with Rice is that he beat up a lot of the schools with defenses inferior to the ones that Jarrett beat up. The one team they have on their schedule which they have in common is Arkansas. They each went up against 2nd Round Draft Pick Chris Houston, and Rice vastly outperformed Jarrett in that matchup.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 07:23 PM
A problem I have with Rice is that he beat up a lot of the schools with defenses inferior to the ones that Jarrett beat up. The one team they have on their schedule which they have in common is Arkansas. They each went up against 2nd Round Draft Pick Chris Houston, and Rice vastly outperformed Jarrett in that matchup.

Last time I checked, the Pac-10 conference is not known for it's defense.

MNRunLeft
04-29-2007, 08:24 PM
if he there in the 7th for us, i want him.

A problem I have with Rice is that he beat up a lot of the schools with defenses inferior to the ones that Jarrett beat up. The one team they have on their schedule which they have in common is Arkansas. They each went up against 2nd Round Draft Pick Chris Houston, and Rice vastly outperformed Jarrett in that matchup.

One of the things I find intersting about Rice is the success he had against Houston in compairison to that of the other WR's in the draft who were shut down by Houston. Rice had by far the best game of the 4 who went up against Houston last year that being Jarrett, Meachem and Bowe. I love the potential that Rice has and anyone who bring up the Troy Williamson compairison needs to get a clue they are totally diffrent players.

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 09:05 PM
I want to see the people that compare Rice to Williamson so I can pity them in person.

the_Kid
04-29-2007, 09:05 PM
I like Rice over Jarrett. Hes quicker and he has freakish potential

the_Kid
04-29-2007, 09:06 PM
Brad Childress has redeemed himself

the_legend_killer
04-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Pretty happy with the draft. Peterson and Rice were the exact picks I wanted at that spot, and McCauley is a good 3rd. The 2nd day was alright, but nothing to get too angry about because...well...it's the 2nd day. (AA was a nice 2nd day WR to grab)

Vikes99ej
04-29-2007, 09:31 PM
Brad Childress has redeemed himself

Not so fast...

the Laos
04-29-2007, 09:44 PM
Pretty happy with the draft. Peterson and Rice were the exact picks I wanted at that spot, and McCauley is a good 3rd. The 2nd day was alright, but nothing to get too angry about because...well...it's the 2nd day. (AA was a nice 2nd day WR to grab)

WORST PICKS

Aundre Allison, WR, Vikings: On the surface, Allison is similar to Clowney: both are burners who impressed coaches at the Senior Bowl. But Clowney is tough, physically and mentally, while Allison doesn't like to work the middle or block. Fifth-round receivers must prove themselves on special teams if they hope to earn roster spots; Allison will probably get lost in the crowd of journeyman veterans and fellow rookies that the Vikings have assembled at wide receiver. On closer inspection, Allison is more like Vikings second round pick Sidney Rice than Clowney: neither Rice nor Allison has any interest in doing dirty work. If Brad Childress is forced to choose for a final roster spot, he'll keep the more talented Rice and send Allison packing. At some point, the Vikings must stop collecting receivers like Allison, Rice, Bobby Wade, and Cortez Hankton and start evaluating the guys they have.

i have to say, foxsports.com has no clue how much of a steal allison could be.

BuckNaked
04-29-2007, 09:48 PM
I want to see the people that compare Rice to Williamson so I can pity them in person.

Sidney Rice=Troy Williamsonhttp://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Severe Punishment
04-29-2007, 11:06 PM
OMG I can't believe I"m agreeing with The Laos, Allison to me
could very well being the best of the 4 WR's we took (that is if the
rumors are true and the QB we took late is a project WR)

One of the reasons we struggled so much was our inability to throw deep.
This didn't force the safety's to play back and everything was "bunched up" on offense. If Williamson would've caught just 1/2 of those deep drops
it would've opened up the field a LOT more last year.

Allison isn't a typical "grind it out" WR , a guy who'll catch slants and the in routes. he's probably going to use the same routes Williamson did (fly, deep out deep cross and a guy used in motion for the quick slant)
Wade will be the slot guy..Shiancoe (if he does have speed) would work the deep middle and the backs could chip and release into the wheel route. There's plenty of options now.


...if the Vikings struggles though I imagine it'll be Childress blamed again and not the players.

bonzi
04-29-2007, 11:10 PM
So is anyone else a little bit excited after the draft for the next season. Personally i think we could have a good year next year, not sure playoffs but a good year.

the Laos
04-29-2007, 11:58 PM
OMG I can't believe I"m agreeing with The Laos, Allison to me
could very well being the best of the 4 WR's we took (that is if the
rumors are true and the QB we took late is a project WR)

One of the reasons we struggled so much was our inability to throw deep.
This didn't force the safety's to play back and everything was "bunched up" on offense. If Williamson would've caught just 1/2 of those deep drops
it would've opened up the field a LOT more last year.

Allison isn't a typical "grind it out" WR , a guy who'll catch slants and the in routes. he's probably going to use the same routes Williamson did (fly, deep out deep cross and a guy used in motion for the quick slant)
Wade will be the slot guy..Shiancoe (if he does have speed) would work the deep middle and the backs could chip and release into the wheel route. There's plenty of options now.


...if the Vikings struggles though I imagine it'll be Childress blamed again and not the players.

i'm flattered, but i agree with swagger and most viking fans here on this board that you're still a self-proclaimed know-it-all who has an obsession with brady quinn that's out of this world... i mean come on... who uses looks as reason to draft a guy? hahahaa truly one-of-a-kind, i give you that.

Kid_Ego
04-30-2007, 12:05 AM
This kind of pisses me off everyone bags on williamson. OK lets look at the two guys that most draft experts gave usas choices

Mike Williams Has done nothing to prove he deserved to be drafted at all hardly in the first round. He has constistantly been crying and bitching about how great he is yet he got beat out by Mike Furrey a wide out from UNI. Who I will admit isnt that bad a player. But Mike was supposed to be the second coming of Terrell Owens. Which Im sure ost detriot fans will agree he has the impersonation down off the field, But even Terrell backs up his mouth once in a while.

Troy Willaimson Has started more games then mike williams scored more tds then williams and caught more balls then williams. WIlliamson has taken it upon himself to hire a hand eye coordinator had lazic eye surgery stayed after practises and worked very hard to learn his second offense in three season. I have personally never heard any crying or whining and occasionally have heard himself say he needs to get better and work harder. In todays wide outs that is hard to find. So if sidney rice is alot like troy williamson I applaud him.

Its about time some struggling atheletes stopped pointing the fingers at everyone else and started looking in the mirrior.

ALL OF THIS WAS SAID ABOUT THESE VERY SAME RECEIVERS ALL OF WHICH TURNED OUT TO PUT IN PRODUCTIVE CAREERS

JERRY RICE
CHRIS CARTER
JAVON WALKER
REGGIE WAYNE
HERMAN MOORE
TIM BROWN

NOW THERE IS NO WAY ID COMPARE WILLIAMSON TO ANY OF THESE GUYS BUT HISTORY HAS SHOWN US THAT MOST WIDE OUTS DO STRUGGLE AT FIRST. PROBABLY THE ONE THING THAT KILLED RANDY MOSS FROM BECOMING THE VERY BEST WIDE OUT EVER WAS HE DIDN'T STRUGGLE HE BECAME OVER CONFIDENT THE GAME CAME TO EASY FOR HIM AND IN RESULT HE WAS SURE HE KNEW EVERYTHING

wogitalia
04-30-2007, 12:34 AM
I hadn't thought about it but I guess I would rather have Leinart over Quinn too. Good point MN. I think Quinn would be better than T Jack but IMO he would have been drafted at about the same place last year, behind Young, Leinart, and Cutler.

Im not sure he would have been. Quinn suffered from the same thing that caused Leinart to fall, he came back for his senior season. Quinn may very well have been the first picked last year and would certainly have been a first rounder. He certainly would have gone higher and been rated much higher than TJ was.

I want to see the people that compare Rice to Williamson so I can pity them in person.

It's not a skill vs skill comparison. It is two guys who are picked almost entirely on potential that do have serious question marks. Both from the same school, and ironically, both taken over guys from the same school that were/are considered more sure things. The first round was a draw, both teams got shafted, I think this round will produce two studs, but I think Jarrett will be better. I quite like Rice, I only have Bowe, Jarrett and CJ ahead of him, only problem with the pick is that Jarrett was there.

who uses looks as reason to draft a guy? hahahaa truly one-of-a-kind, i give you that.

Actually its as good a reason as any, as a tie-breaker anyway. Marketability is a massive factor these days, endorsements are just worth so much and on a team that is as unrecognizable as the Vikes, Quinn would be a big deal. You wouldnt take him over a better player because of it, but as a tie breaker, fair enough. Quinn is probably worth a good $20,000,000 more than any other rookie over the first 3 years. Thats more than just pocket change.

Troy Willaimson Has started more games then mike williams scored more tds then williams and caught more balls then williams. WIlliamson has taken it upon himself to hire a hand eye coordinator had lazic eye surgery stayed after practises and worked very hard to learn his second offense in three season. I have personally never heard any crying or whining and occasionally have heard himself say he needs to get better and work harder. In todays wide outs that is hard to find. So if sidney rice is alot like troy williamson I applaud him.

So what you are saying is that we should give the guy a break because he is better than a guy who has done nothing and because he is apparently working hard. If he was truly working hard, surely he would improve a little bit. It's not that he is a bad person, it's that he has been a horrible player for the Vikes and until he does something about that, he is going to cop some flak. You can say all the right things all you want, but if you dont back them up they are as meaningless as someone talking trash and not backing it up, ie... ********.

Crazy_Chris
04-30-2007, 12:49 AM
So what you are saying is that we should give the guy a break because he is better than a guy who has done nothing and because he is apparently working hard. If he was truly working hard, surely he would improve a little bit. It's not that he is a bad person, it's that he has been a horrible player for the Vikes and until he does something about that, he is going to cop some flak. You can say all the right things all you want, but if you dont back them up they are as meaningless as someone talking trash and not backing it up, ie... ********.

No what i think he means is Cut the kid a break because WR's dont normally produce unitl there 3-4 year

Severe Punishment
04-30-2007, 09:44 AM
I'm just curious as to where all those assclowns are that compared Quinn to Russell saying the talent surround them was "about even" ?

Saying Bowe and Davis were on the same talent level as Smardja and McKnight is an insult to Davis and Bowe.....oh and where'd the undersized Darius Walker get taken ? yeah, Quinn was the ONLY legit blue chipper on that team. Shark was good...hardly great. It's not like he was the second coming of Tim Brown.

Anyways , I said I agreed with 1 thing you said Laos, don't flatter yourself into thinking that means you have anything worth reading on here.
You expressed an opinion , not an idea, so go back to playing with legos or whatever the hell it is you do when your not trying to bash potential superstar QB's.

crazyisme
04-30-2007, 09:49 AM
nice to see some positivity on this board. Of course after a real good draft, things tend to get that way :)

i agree with a lot of what you guys have to say, i hadnt heard the rumors about thygpen being a WR project, thats an interesting take. There are definately some guys that i hope we haul in as UDFAs...

by the way, New Orleans got another Maurice Colston this year, as they signed Rhema McKnight right away, too bad the Vikes didn't hop all over that guys, i think he could be solid.

swagger
04-30-2007, 12:29 PM
Yeah, he's still going home tonight a multi millionaire (he has the highest noteriety in the draft..his marketabilty is thru the roof now.
he gets a chance to start on a team that isn't going to give up 80+ sacks
has 2 solid weapons... a rising defense behind him and he gets to play so close to his family he'll probably need 50 tix for every game. He's still going to be one of people's 50 most beautiful people and gets to nail that sweet blonde that was on his arm all day long.

...yeah , feel sorry for him when something bad happens to the guy.

There is a word that keeps popping into my head whenever I read your Brady Quinn posts. I won't say it because you'll report me. But it starts with an "H", ends in a word for a bloodsucking mite, and has a lot of vowels.

Seriously, why are you always talking about how handsome and good-looking you think Brady Quinn is? Why are you trying to justify the greatness of his life? What's the deal? Do you have a legit excuse for it?

Brady Quinn probably lost almost $50 million. I'd hardly feel comfortable talking about how great he has it. His girl should leave him for a guy in the top-10. Is JaMarcus Russell single? Or his teammate Joe Thomas?

Severe Punishment
04-30-2007, 12:33 PM
For all the bashing of Childress you've done on here Swaggar I'd hardly consider it "good fortune" that you hoped for the Peterson / Rice selections.
if they both players fail miserably, all this will prove is that neither you ..nor Spielman / Childress are competent enough to , not only choose who we take, but talk about football knowledgably either.

anyways not taking Quinn is going to set this team as well as the Dolphins
back 5 years. Mark my words.

FatViking
04-30-2007, 01:26 PM
Quinn will be Joey Harrington in five years.

Severe Punishment
04-30-2007, 01:29 PM
that's fine. Tarvaris Jackson will be Akili Smith THIS year.

swagger
04-30-2007, 02:00 PM
For all the bashing of Childress you've done on here Swaggar I'd hardly consider it "good fortune" that you hoped for the Peterson / Rice selections.
if they both players fail miserably, all this will prove is that neither you ..nor Spielman / Childress are competent enough to , not only choose who we take, but talk about football knowledgably either.

anyways not taking Quinn is going to set this team as well as the Dolphins
back 5 years. Mark my words.

I'm not as behind the AP selection as others. I simply stated who I thought Childress would come away with in the first round. If you knew how to read, you would know this.

I do like Sidney Rice, though. But he is raw, and a crapshoot.

Severe Punishment
04-30-2007, 02:03 PM
Alot like Antonio Bryant IMO.

I would've been much happier trading away THIS years #4 pick for either
Moss (who reportedly still has 4.3 speed) or D-Jackson.
Taking an ELITE prospect DE in the 2nd instead of an undersized tweener.

and of course I think it's a mistake to trust so much into a project QB to similar to Omar Jacobs.

Crazy_Chris
04-30-2007, 05:03 PM
heres an interesting bit on what the vikings may have done if Peterson had not been there.... an now i am VERY VERY glad that both he and LaRon werent gone

Minnesota Vikings - While the team wound up selecting University of Oklahoma RB Adrian Peterson with the seventh pick overall, LSU S LaRon Landry would have been their second choice there. Had both been off of the board, league sources indicated University of Michigan CB Leon Hall was next on their board. However, it's not known if they would have traded down to select him. LSU WR Dwayne Bowe also would have been a consideration had they traded down.

- http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=63&p=2&c=640327

Vikes99ej
04-30-2007, 07:18 PM
We were never going to take Quinn. I wanted him just ass much as you did, but it was never going to happen. Get over it.

BuckNaked
04-30-2007, 08:12 PM
We were never going to take Quinn. I wanted him just ass much as you did, but it was never going to happen. Get over it.

What? You want Quinn's ass.....You might have some competition there with Marshall Faulk who was all over him at the draft.

Vikes99ej
04-30-2007, 08:15 PM
What? You want Quinn's ass.....You might have some competition there with Marshall Faulk who was all over him at the draft.

Oops.......

Severe Punishment
04-30-2007, 09:30 PM
I'm over it. Doesn't mean I'm not free to express how much of a mistake it was.

Seriously if we were never going to take Quinn then I sure didn't want to take a part time back. We should've traded down and gotten Hall or one of the WR's. and gotten other day 1 picks this year or next...there were probably tons of teams willing to give up alot to move up to 7 when Peterson was still there.

jerthemessiah
04-30-2007, 11:38 PM
I'm over it. Doesn't mean I'm not free to express how much of a mistake it was.

Seriously if we were never going to take Quinn then I sure didn't want to take a part time back. We should've traded down and gotten Hall or one of the WR's. and gotten other day 1 picks this year or next...there were probably tons of teams willing to give up alot to move up to 7 when Peterson was still there.
Chester will be the part time back by the end of the season.

Quinn wasn't good value at #7. A lot of other teams passed on him too. It's like saying the Vikes should have drafted Reggie Nelson or Leon Hall at #7. Those are two other guys that would have available much later in the first round much like Brady Quinn.

wogitalia
05-01-2007, 02:47 AM
that's fine. Tarvaris Jackson will be Akili Smith THIS year.

I actually loled at that. Nice one.


Quinn wasn't good value at #7. A lot of other teams passed on him too. It's like saying the Vikes should have drafted Reggie Nelson or Leon Hall at #7. Those are two other guys that would have available much later in the first round much like Brady Quinn.

Quinn is a franchise QB, he is good value at any pick. Thats like saying Leinart or Cutler wouldnt have been good value at #1 last year. They would still be the same player, sure they cost less by going lower, but they are still what they are. I love how all the Quinn haters, and there are a lot, think that where he was drafted was related to talent. Classic, stayed too long at school guy. Gave the scouts, whose business is to find flaws, far to long to do it.

Crazy_Chris
05-01-2007, 04:11 AM
I actually loled at that. Nice one.



Quinn is a franchise QB, he is good value at any pick. Thats like saying Leinart or Cutler wouldnt have been good value at #1 last year. They would still be the same player, sure they cost less by going lower, but they are still what they are. I love how all the Quinn haters, and there are a lot, think that where he was drafted was related to talent. Classic, stayed too long at school guy. Gave the scouts, whose business is to find flaws, far to long to do it.

You can't just say "Quinn is a franchise QB" we dont know that yet he has the potential but Apparently the word is Many Professional scouts/teams believed he wasn't capable of being a franchise guy hence why miami didnt even take him over Ted Ginn... i dont know the reasoning as to why they believed it but thats why so many people passed on him, whether they are right or wrong is yet to be determined

rchrd
05-01-2007, 07:09 AM
wogitalia, what does your name mean mate? in these parts it could be taken a very specific way...

crazyisme
05-01-2007, 08:56 AM
Chester will be the part time back by the end of the season.

Quinn wasn't good value at #7. A lot of other teams passed on him too. It's like saying the Vikes should have drafted Reggie Nelson or Leon Hall at #7. Those are two other guys that would have available much later in the first round much like Brady Quinn.


yeah, haha, AP is going to be a full time back, he should be pretty good, he really showed what he was made of in college, and behind a decent oline, hopefully getting better, AP should be good, definitely not a part time back, lol

Vikes99ej
05-01-2007, 10:37 AM
Just blowing off Peterson as a part-time back tells me a lot about you. If we were going to get a QB, we should have traded up last year to get Cutler or Leinart. That is what I would have done.

General Zod
05-01-2007, 10:53 AM
I think AD is gonna have to be a part time back till he changes his running style. He cant run that high in the NFL, he will get killed. He has got to learn when to lower his shoulders. Also, im not sure about his hands really. You know how important the check down is in our offense. :-(

Vikes99ej
05-01-2007, 10:55 AM
I think AD is gonna have to be a part time back till he changes his running style. He cant run that high in the NFL, he will get killed. He has got to learn when to lower his shoulders. Also, im not sure about his hands really. You know how important the check down is in our offense. :-(

Peterson ran several pass catching drills at his Pro Day, and I'm sure it is something that will be worked on in training camp.

Severe Punishment
05-01-2007, 10:55 AM
Chester will be the part time back by the end of the season.

Quinn wasn't good value at #7. A lot of other teams passed on him too. It's like saying the Vikes should have drafted Reggie Nelson or Leon Hall at #7. Those are two other guys that would have available much later in the first round much like Brady Quinn.
Holy Christ , you people need to stop the love affair with "where you were taken equals how much value you have" b.s.

If that were the case Troy Williamson and Mike Williams would be canton bound by now. Ray Lewis and Drew Brees would be out of the league
and Terrell Davis would've never run for 2000 yards in a year nor win Super Bowl MVP honors. Or perhaps in your worlds Derrrick Alexander STILL is a better player than Warren Sapp has been or Chris Hovan is a
better player than Deon Grant ? How about Ryan Simmms ??? IS he better thatn say John Henderson ? How about Clinton Portis ??? SImms was TAKEN AHEAD OF THEM BOTH so that must mean he's the superior player, right ?! ......freakin idiots.

I swear one guy posts an ignorant comment and you're all like little parrots who can't wait to repeat the same moronic statement.
Your draft pick is based on the value a room of idiots (usually 4 to 6) think. Now, When you factor in who was willing to AGAIN spend a 1st round contract on a QB ...the # of total teams that would've taken him becomes more limited.

The Vikings did NOTHING to change their STARTING LINEUP on defense from last year til this year and on offense all we've managed to do was
upgrade our 2nd RB (yippie) and exchange 2 proven WR's (Taylor/Robinson) for 8 unproven ones.

I realize after the draft is the height of Viking bliss, but logically this is the same 6 win team with a better backup running back.
I promise you , with the tougher schedule and the same team as 2006 that this team doesn't win more than 6 games.

rchrd
05-01-2007, 11:28 AM
We pass on Quinn for AD an 'elite prospect' according to this site and he suddenly becomes nothing more than a backup. Some might say that would indicate bias...I doubt you noticed or care but it may provide some insight into why you struggle to get your points across.

I already feel pressing post here is going to cause more trouble than its worth but you and the others having been treading the same water over and over for months and its completely boring. It wouldnt be so bad if it wasnt still the exact same thing being argued...

Severe Punishment
05-01-2007, 11:55 AM
I'm sorry..you're probably right. Chester Taylor immediately becomes the back up despite his 1300 yards and 8 scores. the rookie RB immediatly will be given the starting job.

Whatever was I thinking ?

Kid_Ego
05-01-2007, 01:42 PM
Uhm lets face it chester taylor isnt a good back, Good backs dont fumble late in games costing his team games, great backs dont sit behind washed up backs, great backs start before they are 27 years old, so Im happy we are replacing taylor, And yes i do think peterson is the starter he better be because the number 7 pick is paid alot of guarenteed money we cant afford 2 number 7 picks sitting on the bench. And hitory has shown us over the years teams will only be patient to a point sooner or later the Phillip Rivers troy Williamsons and cedric bensons have to freakin start. Shaun Alexander sat for a year but we all knew he wasnt on the bench for long.

Kid_Ego
05-01-2007, 02:06 PM
Am I the only person who thinks maybe adrian peterson may be a bust. Quite honestly Im kind of inbetween on this pick. I think we had great selections over all. But peterson scares me.

First lets look at the other top rated big tweleve backs who had great stats and were cant misses


Rashaun Salaam
Ricky Williams
Troy Davis
Cedric Benson
I mean there has been quite a history of big tweleve 1st round busts. All of these guys rushed for a ton of yards in the big tweleve, Not to mention all the nebraska busts over the years, and Ahman Green being one of the very few exceptions. And even he was an ok pick, preist holmes maybe all though he was pretty short lived.

Not that Notre Dame has had much better luck with QBS.

But the guy reminds me of robert smith so much it makes me sick. I hope im wrong but his history injury his running style and his can't miss ratings bring me to two players Terry Allen and Robert Smith both were absolute cant miss prospects who we wiffed on.

In Terry Allens defense he went on to be come a semi productive back but he never was the guy we drafted.


I thnk we have as much chance at getting a lawerence Phillips as we do a ahman green with this pick.

Sorry but thats my opinion

the Laos
05-01-2007, 02:24 PM
Am I the only person who thinks maybe adrian peterson may be a bust. Quite honestly Im kind of inbetween on this pick. I think we had great selections over all. But peterson scares me.

First lets look at the other top rated big tweleve backs who had great stats and were cant misses


Rashaun Salaam
Ricky Williams
Troy Davis
Cedric Benson
I mean there has been quite a history of big tweleve 1st round busts. All of these guys rushed for a ton of yards in the big tweleve, Not to mention all the nebraska busts over the years, and Ahman Green being one of the very few exceptions. And even he was an ok pick, preist holmes maybe all though he was pretty short lived.

Not that Notre Dame has had much better luck with QBS.

But the guy reminds me of robert smith so much it makes me sick. I hope im wrong but his history injury his running style and his can't miss ratings bring me to two players Terry Allen and Robert Smith both were absolute cant miss prospects who we wiffed on.

In Terry Allens defense he went on to be come a semi productive back but he never was the guy we drafted.


I thnk we have as much chance at getting a lawerence Phillips as we do a ahman green with this pick.

Sorry but thats my opinion


he could possibly be, but i think his worst case scenario is fred taylor.

jerthemessiah
05-01-2007, 09:31 PM
I think AD is gonna have to be a part time back till he changes his running style. He cant run that high in the NFL, he will get killed. He has got to learn when to lower his shoulders. Also, im not sure about his hands really. You know how important the check down is in our offense. :-(
He runs like Eric Dickerson. That guy turned out all right.

swagger
05-01-2007, 10:01 PM
Uhm lets face it chester taylor isnt a good back, Good backs dont fumble late in games costing his team games, great backs dont sit behind washed up backs, great backs start before they are 27 years old, so Im happy we are replacing taylor, And yes i do think peterson is the starter he better be because the number 7 pick is paid alot of guarenteed money we cant afford 2 number 7 picks sitting on the bench. And hitory has shown us over the years teams will only be patient to a point sooner or later the Phillip Rivers troy Williamsons and cedric bensons have to freakin start. Shaun Alexander sat for a year but we all knew he wasnt on the bench for long.

Agree 100%...

Good backs don't fumble at the goal line (twice).

Good backs don't have multiple fumbles returned for touchdowns.

Good backs don't twice in a row in the 4th quarter, losing the ballgame for the team (Miami Dolphins).

Good backs don't cost their teams two wins (Dolphins, Bears), almost three wins (Cardinals), because of fumbling.

Good backs don't averaged 3.99 yards per carry.

Good backs don't suck as badly as Taylor did the final 1/4 of the season.

jerthemessiah
05-01-2007, 10:27 PM
The Vikings did NOTHING to change their STARTING LINEUP on defense from last year til this year and on offense all we've managed to do was
upgrade our 2nd RB (yippie) and exchange 2 proven WR's (Taylor/Robinson) for 8 unproven ones. Napo Harris is out. E.J. is the new starting MLB. Greenway starts on the outside. James will be back and hopefully stays healthy. Smoot is out and Griffin will start in his place. That's 4 new things with the starting lineup on defense. Maybe you don't concider guys coming back from injury that missed the whole year to be changes, but they are.

I was pissed about the way Robinson was realeased, but he was not very productive last year. Neither was Taylor. Out with the old, in with some youth. Hopefully one or more of them will pan out. I would have preferred the team to sign a better WR than Bobby Wade in FA, but whatever. Certainly Taylor and Robinson are not the long term answer and not much of short term one either. Rice is similar to Robinson but about 10 years younger. I'll take it.


I realize after the draft is the height of Viking bliss, but logically this is the same 6 win team with a better backup running back.
I promise you , with the tougher schedule and the same team as 2006 that this team doesn't win more than 6 games. I don't think they will win more than 6 either. The problems they have can't be fixed with 7 draft picks. They were not agressive in FA this offseason especially compared to last season. It was clear this team went into complete rebuilding mode when they traded Culpepper.

1,200 rushing yards on 300+ carries is not a big deal. 8 TD's on 350+ touches is not a big deal either. Peterson has the potentional to be a game changing back. Taylor will never be more than an average NFL runningback. I don't see why he wouldn't take the bulk of the carries by the end of the season. Chester becomes trade bait next offseason. You don't pick a guy 7th overall and sit him all year.

Crazy_Chris
05-02-2007, 12:19 AM
Agree 100%...

Good backs don't fumble at the goal line (twice).

Good backs don't have multiple fumbles returned for touchdowns.

Good backs don't twice in a row in the 4th quarter, losing the ballgame for the team (Miami Dolphins).

Good backs don't cost their teams two wins (Dolphins, Bears), almost three wins (Cardinals), because of fumbling.

Good backs don't averaged 3.99 yards per carry.

Good backs don't suck as badly as Taylor did the final 1/4 of the season.

all the chester taylor hate is sickening... you can talk about how many he games he might of lost us. But being completely realistic if we didnt have chester taylor in the backfield we would of had NO offense he touched the ball somewhere around 348 times and you can complain about a few fumbles and lets see i wonder if you consider Tiki Barber a good back?? he sure as hell had a lot more problems than Chester when he first started in the league... If Chester had not been starting for us last year we would have lost a crap load more games and picked #1 overall instead of the raiders and that is a fact

Kid_Ego
05-02-2007, 12:29 AM
Honestly I cant agree with that. I remember a game chester wasn't in the game Our back rushed for 148 3 tds?
Personally I like M&M alot more he has more explosion and runs with anger. Im not sure we needed taylor at all I think the other three could of easily attained as many yards as taylor had.

Facts are Facts the guy lost three games for us. And Ruined our season during the first bears game. From that point on we were never the same team.

Kid_Ego
05-02-2007, 12:32 AM
Btw Eric Dickersons Career was cut short due to injury
Robert Smith also ran that way

Crazy_Chris
05-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Honestly I cant agree with that. I remember a game chester wasn't in the game Our back rushed for 148 3 tds?
Personally I like M&M alot more he has more explosion and runs with anger. Im not sure we needed taylor at all I think the other three could of easily attained as many yards as taylor had.

Facts are Facts the guy lost three games for us. And Ruined our season during the first bears game. From that point on we were never the same team.

Yes and my 64 year old father could rush for 148 yds and 3 tds against the lions... What ruined our season was the complete lack of an offensive weapon other than Chester Taylor if he didnt touch the ball at least 30 times we were doomed

Kid_Ego
05-02-2007, 12:47 AM
And when he did touch the ball 30 times he fumbled the game away and never found a way to get his 5 million dollar a year ass up and tackle the sob running the ball into the end zone.

Ive have never been more embarassed being a viking fan then last year watching all of our over paid offensive players watch as the other team continually scored tds against them. Freaking sickening.

wogitalia
05-02-2007, 12:55 AM
wogitalia, what does your name mean mate? in these parts it could be taken a very specific way...

Nothing at all mate. Had to enter a username for some game about 10 years ago so i just hit buttons and it came out and because I could actually pronounce it, it stuck. I realize the racial connotation it has if broken down into parts, but its really just a meaningless mash of letters and hey, I've got Italian in me anyway so I guess it could be a reference to my heritage(it isnt though :))

I realize after the draft is the height of Viking bliss, but logically this is the same 6 win team with a better backup running back.

And worse starting QB and Wideouts. Worse at MLB. We have more depth but worse starters, an optimistic view is that you wont actually need the depth.

Good backs don't have multiple fumbles returned for touchdowns.

Hey that one is on the rest of the offense after the fumble part. Shouldnt fumble in the first place, but the TD is on all 11 guys who first failed to fall on the ball and then failed to make a tackle. Thats like saying good QB's dont have INTs returned for TDs. The INT is at least partially his fault, but the rest of it is a team thing.

Good backs don't averaged 3.99 yards per carry.

Some have in the past, but more... see the next part.

Good backs don't suck as badly as Taylor did the final 1/4 of the season.

Good backs need a decent line. An idiot could tell by the end of the season that a) we werent going to pass, b) we werent going to run right and c) that Taylor was going to get all the carries. When you can only run in one direction and you never pass it becomes very easy to defend. Im not a big Chester fan, I think he is a very good backup, marginal starter type but to blame his struggles entirely on him would be hating. He doesnt have a right side on his line, we had a passing game that I was happy if the other team didnt end up with the ball whenever we threw. We had an idiot coach with a playbook of about 15 plays who couldnt decide on a blocking scheme. LT couldnt have done all that much better with out line. It also hurts when everytime you break a big play the ref calls holding on your RT or RG who werent even in the damn play...

I dont mind the Peterson pick. I'd have rathered Quinn for sure, but Peterson is a very good result and gives our offense a chance. But realistically, it is one dimensional still, until we have a QB and some WR that you dont cross your fingers when they are thrown the ball we arent going to be dynamic and we arent going to score the points needed to beat good teams or any team that can throw the ball.

Defensively we should be alright but its all Ifs, and I've never liked banking on ifs. If Greenway is healthy and good. If Erasmus is healthy and good. If Udeze works on getting off a little quicker, if EJ can handle MLB this time around, if Griffin can be a starter, if Tank is healthy and still good, Sharper can work out the Tampa 2. Then if we can find a 3rd LB that should actually be starting in the NFL. Then the other one, we make all these "ifs" up but what happens if god forbid either Pat, Antoine or Kevin gets hurt or if age finally hits Pat. I mean take away the 3 guys who carried our defense last year and it could be horrendous. Pat is at the age that it all starts going downhill fast. I mean, our entire defense is a big if and it's our strength.

jerthemessiah
05-02-2007, 04:46 PM
all the chester taylor hate is sickening... you can talk about how many he games he might of lost us. But being completely realistic if we didnt have chester taylor in the backfield we would of had NO offense he touched the ball somewhere around 348 times and you can complain about a few fumbles and lets see i wonder if you consider Tiki Barber a good back?? he sure as hell had a lot more problems than Chester when he first started in the league... If Chester had not been starting for us last year we would have lost a crap load more games and picked #1 overall instead of the raiders and that is a factIt's hard to lose a crapload more than 10 games in a season. Don't comapre Tiki to Chester. They are nowhere near the same player.

swagger
05-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Chester doesn't have that great of vision and that great of explosiveness. He fumbles at inopportune times, and cannot carry a workload.

He is a decent to good back, but the NFL is filled with decent backs. Most teams have two, sometimes three. Now we do.

Tiki Barber is so much better than Chester Taylor, it's not even funny.

Crazy_Chris
05-02-2007, 07:32 PM
I agree Tiki Barber is better than Chester taylor thats the whole point as to why i brought it up becuase when Tiki Took over the workload he had a much much much worse fumbling problem just imagine if the Giants had given up on him than

Crazy_Chris
05-02-2007, 07:36 PM
It's hard to lose a crapload more than 10 games in a season. Don't comapre Tiki to Chester. They are nowhere near the same player.

If we didnt have Chester Taylor on our offense last year we would of have Maybe won 3 games if we were lucky...

jerthemessiah
05-02-2007, 08:20 PM
If we didnt have Chester Taylor on our offense last year we would of have Maybe won 3 games if we were lucky...If they had given the ball to "insert other runningback/s" for those 300 or so carries. I think the rusults would have been similar. Taylors season wasn't that great. I don't know why everyone is so high on him like he is this irreplacable cog in the Vikings offense. He is an average player. You could easily list 30 or so other backs that if given the same number of touches in a season would have done as good or better production wise.

Crazy_Chris
05-02-2007, 08:38 PM
you seriously think that Mewelde Moore or Artose Pinner would have Gotten 1,400+ Yards on 345 touches(includes receptions and Rushing)?? Dont get me Wrong im a big fan of Mewelde but there is no way in hell he would have come close to that kind of production if we were to make him carry the load.

And we cant forget that those numbers of chester are off because had he been healthy throughout the season he would easily of put up 1500+ rushing 400+ recieveing. Even with him Being Hurt for part of the Season he finished in the Top 10 Rushers in the league.

I dont think Chester is this amazing Irreplaceable peice to our offense. I see him for what he was a Very Good Stop-gap solution for 3-4 years but i dont understand how anyone can tell me he wasnt the centerpiece of that offense last year and how anyone can tell me we would have been better off without him because thats just bs

swagger
05-02-2007, 11:09 PM
If we didnt have Chester Taylor on our offense last year we would of have Maybe won 3 games if we were lucky...

How do you figure? He single handedly lost us the Miami Dolphins game, by fumbling on consecutive possessions with the lead in the 4th quarter. The second of which was returned for a touchdown, giving the Dolphins the lead (and the win).

He also cost us the Bears game. Fumbled in the 4th quarter with the lead while we were trying to grind out the win, giving the Bears a short field. Needless to say, we lost. Because of the fumble.

He cost us 2 wins. And he almost cost us the Cardinals game, with a fumble at the goal line that was returned 100 yards for a touchdown by Adrian Wilson. Had he scored, we would have iced the game. Instead, we had to squeeze it out.

I just don't see it...

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 01:14 AM
And the game he was injured I believe the kid from detriot ran for 140 yds 3 tds no fumbles am i wrong?

and for the record it doesnt matter who detriot plays at home its probably a pretty close game. In our division we can throw out the records we all play the other teams very good.

So to say that the other backs couldnt of done it is a bit crazy

Personally I feel that we could of gotten that production with the backs on our team with or with out chester taylor. Either in one back or in a combination of backs I saw very few plays last year where chester wowed me.

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 01:34 AM
How do you figure? He single handedly lost us the Miami Dolphins game, by fumbling on consecutive possessions with the lead in the 4th quarter. The second of which was returned for a touchdown, giving the Dolphins the lead (and the win).

He also cost us the Bears game. Fumbled in the 4th quarter with the lead while we were trying to grind out the win, giving the Bears a short field. Needless to say, we lost. Because of the fumble.

He cost us 2 wins. And he almost cost us the Cardinals game, with a fumble at the goal line that was returned 100 yards for a touchdown by Adrian Wilson. Had he scored, we would have iced the game. Instead, we had to squeeze it out.

I just don't see it...

Because your not looking at the whole picture, sure he f'd up on a few games but if he hadn't of been there at all our offense would have been dead last in the league... as much as i like Mewelde moore there is no way if he were the Workhorse that he would have put up even close to those numbers that chester had or for that matter neither Artose pinner, Ciatrick Fason, or even a combination of the three. Chester may have fumbled a few times late in games but if i remember correctly the miami game Brad Johnson basically just handed Jason Taylor the ball and said go get a TD buddy, and in that bears game Brad Johnson screwed up the hand off of games but in the long run last year he was the only Simblence of an offense we had last year and won us more than Games he lost us.

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 01:41 AM
And the game he was injured I believe the kid from detriot ran for 140 yds 3 tds no fumbles am i wrong?

No he had a good game and i was impressed but that was 1 game and against detroits defense at that... I garuntee you he wouldn't have produced like that all year round

Personally I feel that we could of gotten that production with the backs on our team with or with out chester taylor. Either in one back or in a combination of backs I saw very few plays last year where chester wowed me.

Im sorry but there is no way in hell that i would have wanted to sit through a year of Mewelde Moore, Ciatrick Fason, and Artose pinner... the only thing you guys have against Chester is the fumbling he Fumbled 4 times at bad times but still only 4 times give him another year before you start calling for his head his production very good when he was healthy i think he will benefit immensly from adrain Peterson and we will see Two 1000 yard rushers this year

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 01:55 AM
Interesting if you add the four times he fumbled at key times to our win colomn wow we could be 8-8 or maybe 10-6?

Those are pretty big fumbles!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the diffrence in going to the play offs and staying home. It really is this simple if we are going to use a ball controll offense and it appears we are. Then we cant afford to let our Offense give up Points. Or give the other team a short sided field.

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 02:38 AM
Had more yards per carry then your boy Chester
and it was 125yds and 3 tds for Pinner
and for the record M&M had more receptions for more yrds and higher yards per catch then our great back
Pinner scored 3 tds in one game your boy scored 6 all year
M&M long was 50 yds
Chester was 24
Chester rushed for over 1200 yds but 95 of them were on one play. Which makes him very marginal.
Honestly after looking at the stats your right we wouldnt have gotten the same production wed a gotten alot better with out him.


Chester Taylor had 1216 yds on 303 carries with a 4.0 yds per and 6 tds rushing 42 catches for 288 yds with a horrible 6.9yds per with 0 tds his long receiving was 24 his long rushing was 95.


The rest as you put it.

85 carries 420 yds for 4.95 per carry and 4 tds.
51 catches 502 yds 9.8 yrds and 1 td

longs 21 rush 50 rec


so to you and Childress you may feel like you found our man.
To me Id of taken my chances after the first game costing fumble

no matter how you cut it though he was are least productive back. and I believe all of these guys ran in the same offense behind the same line with the same plays.

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 02:51 AM
If Childress was a good coach hed of seen this with out me pointing it out.
He would of realized that maybe these other guys should of had more oppourtunites to prove themselves. But no lets leave the guy who has a lower yrds per carry and has cost us games with his fumbling in. Well atleast one thing positive happened now we have a real back maybe Chester can continue his journeyman career else where.

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 03:31 AM
hahahaha...yeah, you 3 clowns have it all right. The Vikings finished with a 6-10 record CLEARLY because of Chester Taylor.

Holy christ, I thought I'd read it all.

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 03:50 AM
Interesting if you add the four times he fumbled at key times to our win colomn wow we could be 8-8 or maybe 10-6?

Those are pretty big fumbles!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the diffrence in going to the play offs and staying home. It really is this simple if we are going to use a ball controll offense and it appears we are. Then we cant afford to let our Offense give up Points. Or give the other team a short sided field.

You just dont get it it do you?? its not that hard to comprehend... If we didnt have Chester taylor in the Backfield we wouldnt even of had the chance to win those few games that "he" lost. I mean how do you not get it we had a HORRID passing offense the only thing that even gave us a chance in a lot of games was the Running game and Chester Taylor


Had more yards per carry then your boy Chester
and it was 125yds and 3 tds for Pinner
and for the record M&M had more receptions for more yrds and higher yards per catch then our great back
Pinner scored 3 tds in one game your boy scored 6 all year
M&M long was 50 yds
Chester was 24[b]
Chester rushed for over 1200 yds [b]but 95 of them were on one play. Which makes him very marginal.
Honestly after looking at the stats your right we wouldnt have gotten the same production wed a gotten alot better with out him.

Where do you get Chesters long being 24 when later you go on to say yourself that it was 95 yds?..... and your are being complete idiotic if your going to sit here and tell me we would have gotten a lot better without him if you truly believe that you need to stop contributing to this debate because that is completely false

Chester Taylor had 1216 yds on 303 carries with a 4.0 yds per and 6 tds rushing 42 catches for 288 yds with a horrible 6.9yds per with 0 tds his long receiving was 24 his long rushing was 95.


The rest as you put it.

85 carries 420 yds for 4.95 per carry and 4 tds.
51 catches 502 yds 9.8 yrds and 1 td

longs 21 rush 50 rec

You cant Compare stats when one person has had 345 touches and the other is 136?? seriously it just doesnt work like that if "the rest" had ran the ball 303 times there numbers would look more like this 981 yds 3.1 avg and 4 tds the only reason the catching stats are inflated is because of Mewelde Moore caught most of them thats all he was brought in the game to do because he was a better at catching the ball than pretty much any WR on our roster


so to you and Childress you may feel like you found our man.
To me Id of taken my chances after the first game costing fumble

no matter how you cut it though he was are least productive back. and I believe all of these guys ran in the same offense behind the same line with the same plays.

What is wrong with you?? im seriously getting worried how the hell are you going to tell me he was our least productive back when he had 1200+ yds and the next guy on the list has 196??? how is some one who gained 1000 less yards than chester more productive?? do you not understand the concept of production???

If Childress was a good coach hed of seen this with out me pointing it out.
He would of realized that maybe these other guys should of had more oppourtunites to prove themselves. But no lets leave the guy who has a lower yrds per carry and has cost us games with his fumbling in. Well atleast one thing positive happened now we have a real back maybe Chester can continue his journeyman career else where.

Im damn glad your not a coach becuase if you can't understand that they only have a better YPC Just because they weren't used much... Where as chester taylor had to deal with Teams Keying in on him and Trying to take him out of the game because he was the only thing that kept our offense moving... And seriously I will garuntee you That Brad Johnson and our WR corp. lost us way more games than Chester Taylor did and if you cant see that then there is something wrong with you and you need to stop trying to discuss football on here...


Further more, you obviously have a blind hate to chester taylor you don't like him for no reason. And you hide behind the fact that he fumbled in a few bad times. ANYONE who tells me they would be more happy with a year of Mewelde Moore, Artose Pinner, and Ciatrick Fason splitting carries rather than Chester Taylor is completely Ignorant

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 04:07 AM
Well your way got us 6 wins and the year before we had 8 whos ignorant?
Not to mention that offensvie line you keep bragging about gave up 49 sacks last year. Where was super Chester on any of the 6 tds we gave up last year on Offense my guess some where around 4 yds off the line of scrimmage. The only game we know for 100 percent sure how the other backs would of done The inferior back as you put it put up 125 and 3 tds at their place. How many tds did Taylor score against the exact same D. You dont know so I will tell you 0.

Blind Hate You don't have to be blind to hate the fact that the guy lost 3 games for us last year which would of put us 9-7 8-8 at worse.


btw if we prorate the numbers it comes up some where around 1700 yds 12 tds for the three headed monster.

MY POINT IS VERY SIMPLE WE SHOULD OF USED MORE THEN ONE BACK.
WE REPLACED THE QB BECAUSE HE WAS INEFFECTIVE YET WE IGNORED THE FACT THAT OTHER RUNNINGBACKS WERE OUT PREFORMING OUR STARTED AND DIDNT GET A CHANCE TO PLAY BECAUSE BRAD CHILDRESS HAS HIS PETS ONE OF WHICH IS CHESTER TAYLOR AND HE WAS RELUCTANT TO PULL HIM EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER BACKS HAD ALMOST A 2 YD PER CARRY AVERAGE BETTER.
AND AS YOU POINTED OUT THEY CAUGHT THE BALL WHICH IS ESSENTIAL IN A WEST COAST OFFENSE

and dumbass

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 04:13 AM
Kid E,
You're points are alright...but your reasoning isn't justifiable.
Perhaps we should use less talented O-lineman (you typically are paid
on production in this league...so a "cheaper" lineman would essentially have been less talented)
Plus you need more than numbers to make a point, you need relevance to those numbers as well as a broader "grand scheme" viewpoint..otherwise GM's would be paid to look at numbers and adjust accordingly.
This is a game, not an bank statement.

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 04:32 AM
I really dont understand why its so hard to comprehend the guy was average at best. 300+ carries and only 1200 yds? Whats even worse is Only 6 tds? Did we have some kind of goal line back thats what those stats would indicate.

My point is simple if you only score 1 out of every 500 times you get the ball dont wait up for the call from Canton it aint coming.

Unless Im missing something here did we only have 20 offensive plays per game. Because wow he was the whole team and all and he only touched the ball 20 times per game we must of only scored 6 tds all year. he was are only weapon.

He a regular JIM BROWN

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 04:33 AM
Kid E,
You're points are alright...but your reasoning isn't justifiable.
Perhaps we should use less talented O-lineman (you typically are paid
on production in this league...so a "cheaper" lineman would essentially have been less talented)
Plus you need more than numbers to make a point, you need relevance to those numbers as well as a broader "grand scheme" viewpoint..otherwise GM's would be paid to look at numbers and adjust accordingly.
This is a game, not an bank statement.


I seriously am begining to doubt that he understands anyhting about the game of football, especially that taking a backup RB that has say 4.9 Ypc, that YPC does not project when that back is the workhorse it just doesnt work like that

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 04:38 AM
I really dont understand why its so hard to comprehend the guy was average at best. 300+ carries and only 1200 yds? Whats even worse is Only 6 tds? Did we have some kind of goal line back thats what those stats would indicate.

My point is simple if you only score 1 out of every 500 times you get the ball dont wait up for the call from Canton it aint coming.

Unless Im missing something here did we only have 20 offensive plays per game. Because wow he was the whole team and all and he only touched the ball 20 times per game we must of only scored 6 tds all year. he was are only weapon.

He a regular JIM BROWN

I dont know if you dont get it or dont want to accept it but we had a Stagnant offense last year you MINUS chester taylor from the already Stagnant offense last year and you have a DEAD offense... and Mewelde Moore, Artose Pinner, and Ciatrick Fason werent going to make up for chester...it would only work in your dream world where we would have Jared zabransky as Qb and Johnnie lee higgins as our #1 WR and Mewelde moore?Ciatrick Fason/Artose Pinner in the backfield

Im not going to discuss Chester Taylor and our running game with you anymore because its like trying to punch my way through a brick wall

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 04:57 AM
Chris first of all your a homer. that is more then obvious you are trying to say a guy who scored 6 tds last year was our only offensive weapon. the guy touched the ball 300 freakin times. Lets put this in easier to understand terms.

10 backs touched the ball 300 plus times last year.
Only 2 of those backs had less then 1200 yds
only two of those backs had 6 tds or less

So lets focus on those four backs for now
Edgerin James 1159 and 6 tds who played on the cardinals enough said
Jamaal Lewis 1132 and 9 tds who got cut and
Tiki Barber 1600 6 tds who retired

Now 5 of these backs had double digit tds
LT had 28 whats his left tackles name?
LJ had 17
Steven jackson
Willie parker
Rudi Johnson

6 of them had 1400 + yds

goonie61
05-03-2007, 10:56 AM
Chris first of all your a homer. that is more then obvious you are trying to say a guy who scored 6 tds last year was our only offensive weapon. the guy touched the ball 300 freakin times. Lets put this in easier to understand terms.

10 backs touched the ball 300 plus times last year.
Only 2 of those backs had less then 1200 yds
only two of those backs had 6 tds or less

So lets focus on those four backs for now
Edgerin James 1159 and 6 tds who played on the cardinals enough said
Jamaal Lewis 1132 and 9 tds who got cut and
Tiki Barber 1600 6 tds who retired

Now 5 of these backs had double digit tds
LT had 28 whats his left tackles name?
LJ had 17
Steven jackson
Willie parker
Rudi Johnson

6 of them had 1400 + yds

LT's left tackle was Marcus McNeil, I think he went to the pro bowl

swagger
05-03-2007, 11:22 AM
And Chester Taylor had 2 Pro Bowlers on the o-line. What's your point?

jerthemessiah
05-03-2007, 11:40 AM
I seriously am begining to doubt that he understands anyhting about the game of football, especially that taking a backup RB that has say 4.9 Ypc, that YPC does not project when that back is the workhorse it just doesnt work like thatWorkhorses don't break down at the end of the season. I have no reason to put Chester Taylor in a Top 15 list of NFL runningbacks. With 32 starters anything below Top 15 is average. Can you just admit he is an average NFL runningback at best?

LitoSheppard
05-03-2007, 11:45 AM
IMO you had one the the best drafts..i'd give it a A

swagger
05-03-2007, 12:04 PM
I could easily name 20-30 RBs I'd take instead of Chester Taylor.

Kid_Ego
05-03-2007, 12:30 PM
20 in the nfc alone

swagger
05-03-2007, 12:47 PM
3 on the New Orleans Saints alone.

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 12:58 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2858916


http://espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/med/trans/min.gifMinnesota Vikings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min)

Did the Vikings make a mistake passing on Brady Quinn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8276)?

Last Saturday, the draft played out so well for the Vikings that they had the option of getting a franchise quarterback or a franchise running back. Quinn tempted them, but they went with Adrian Peterson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8261). No one can argue about Peterson's talent. He's an angry runner and a great talent. Within a year, he should be among the elite backs in football. Watch how well he runs to his left behind Bryant McKinnie (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5893) and Steve Hutchinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5464). Watch how well he runs in a division of light Cover 2 defenses. Once that excitement fades, though, the reality is Tarvaris Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7813) is the starting quarterback and Quinn is no longer an option. Brad Childress is betting his Vikings' future on Jackson. He loves his arm, mobility and leadership. Jackson showed some flashes last season, but now he has the job for 16 games. If he fails, everyone is in trouble in Minnesota.

swagger
05-03-2007, 01:35 PM
Tarvaris Jackson > Brady Quinn.

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 03:00 PM
Brady Quinn ??? hahahahaha

Jackson < Akili Smith

swagger
05-03-2007, 03:56 PM
I'm just happy that I am not forced to watch seasons and season of Brady Quinn's inaccurate lame ducks.

The Lions said that they had Drew Stanton graded about the same as Brady Quinn.

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 04:12 PM
77 yards on the nuts at his pro day.
Yep. Lame ducks...right as ever, ...moron.


And quoting Matt Millen as some sort of defining stamp of stupidity approval only furthers my belief in your lack of any football knowledge.
btw, how'd their #1 Joey Harrington work out for them ???
they sure know how to grade QB's.
Almost as well as how they coach WR's into studs.

swagger
05-03-2007, 04:23 PM
Nothing you say can damper the natural high I've been feeling since watching Brady Quinn fall in the draft. I was right about the guy all along.

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 04:27 PM
Keep respecting those classy orginizations like the Lions.

If you had your way I'm sure we'd have Marty Morningway in here coaching these current group of 1/2 wits and "potentials".

I'm going to enjoy watching that no talent hack behind Center get his ass handed to him weekly.
When he fails (which he will) then Childress' time will be numbered.

swagger
05-03-2007, 04:27 PM
Who is Marty Mornningway?

swagger
05-03-2007, 04:28 PM
I'm going to enjoy watching that no talent hack behind Center get his ass handed to him weekly.
When he fails (which he will) then Childress' time will be numbered.

You certainly are a great fan.

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 04:32 PM
And you're a classless assclown. Being a "great fan" to you must mean supporting the team no matter what, getting in line and not voicing an opinion.

Your behavior on here is riddiculous.

I'm guessing your a very very very lonely individual, whose family probably can't stand to be around you for very long.

swagger
05-03-2007, 04:53 PM
And you're a classless assclown. Being a "great fan" to you must mean supporting the team no matter what, getting in line and not voicing an opinion.
Yep, I mean, I've never bashed Childress or anything, right? I seem to remember you bashing me for saying Childress should be on a short leash, retorting something to the effect of Childress ought to be given "at least 3 years to implement his plan". But now that Childress spurned your boy wonder, you insinuate it's the end of the line. I swear, you probably couldn't even say hello to someone without somehow contradicting yourself.

I'm just happy that Rick Mirer isn't a Vike- er, I mean Brady Quinn.

keylime_5
05-03-2007, 05:07 PM
Hey Vikings People. Just wanna say that Adrian Peterson is gonna be a pro bowler at least 7 or 8 times and he's gonna be one of the 2 best backs in this league along with LT for the better part of the next decade. Heck of a draft for you guys, props.

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 06:25 PM
This forum needs some sort of Football IQ test so that No one else that is as completely dumb as Kid_Ego is allowed to waste peoples time on here.

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 06:27 PM
Workhorses don't break down at the end of the season. I have no reason to put Chester Taylor in a Top 15 list of NFL runningbacks. With 32 starters anything below Top 15 is average. Can you just admit he is an average NFL runningback at best?

No one said he was a great back i said that he was good Stop-gap solution and i would be more than happy to stick with only him for 3-4 years but thats irrealevant now as we have him and Adrian peterson

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 06:29 PM
And as of right now, yes Tarvaris Jackson > Brady Quinn seeing as how Quinn has yet to even take a snap in the NFL

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 06:30 PM
Who is Marty Mornningway?

not sure if you were being sarcastic but if not... he's the guy who replaced Brad Childress as the eagles Offensive Coordinator

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 06:33 PM
That doesn't even make sense. According to that, then Jamarcus Russell isn't the QB prospect Andrew Walter is...there for they never should've
taken a QB in the draft.


Seriously I predict that Troy Smith will turn out to be the better pro QB
when comparing Jackson and Smith.

Childress put all his eggs into the Bollinger/ Jackson basket.
And unless Jackson miraculously turns into an NFL QB overnight.
The Vikings are going to be picking top 7 again next year.
By then , hopefully this joke of a regime' can go play handyman
with projects like "cleaning the gutters" instead of "turning turds
into NFL players"....projects are for mid saturday afternoons.

Crazy_Chris
05-03-2007, 06:38 PM
yea childress did put all his eggs into T-Jack but he knows more about T-Jack and Qb's overall than us so i will trust him for now... although im still skeptical

Severe Punishment
05-03-2007, 11:33 PM
yea childress did put all his eggs into T-Jack but he knows more about T-Jack and Qb's overall than us so i will trust him for now... although im still skeptical
I just don't know where all this "he developed McNabb" crap came in.
I'm 99% sure McNabb was Andy Reid's golden boy...bringing him in early
working daily with him.
So far Childress has followed Reid's "blue print" but there's a difference between following a recepie and being able to cook.
So yes, I think there are more skeptics of his than actual believers.

swagger
05-04-2007, 12:23 AM
McNabb is overrated. His pass completion percentage for the west coast offense is less than impressive. Career 58% pass completion percentage, and he's only been over 60% ONCE.

If Daunte was more consistent, he would be much better than McNabb.

This has nothing to do with anything, just my $.02 on McNabb the choke artist.

Severe Punishment
05-04-2007, 12:24 AM
McNabb is overrated. His pass completion percentage for the west coast offense is less than impressive. Career 58% pass completion percentage, and he's only been over 60% ONCE.

If Daunte was more consistent, he would be much better than McNabb.

This has nothing to do with anything, just my $.02 on McNabb the choke artist.
Thanks for the quote. The NFL's best QB last year prior to his injury hands down. is "over rated"

swagger
05-04-2007, 01:05 AM
I know you have a mancrush on Brady Quinn. Now me too? Thanks for the recognition.

McNabb is a choke artist.

swagger
05-04-2007, 01:06 AM
BTW, anything that can take some of the attention from that silly boyhood crush Brady Quinn sig quote is a good thing.

Kid_Ego
05-04-2007, 01:31 AM
The Best QB hands down??????????????
Dude what is your dealers name Severe Brain damage? Cause he sells top grade ****.

Jeff Garcia came in and duplicated what McNabb did almost perfectly. Btw Garciais shorter then jackson and has simular traits.

Drew Breis was hands down thebest qb the last two years!!!!!!!! and he switched entire f-u-c-k-i-n-g teams for christ sakes!!!!!!!!!!!

He took the perinial door mat and turned them into a Super Bowl contender the with out what most people would of called the best receiver on the team before the season started Joe Horn. And the man most people were calling Superman being mostly a decoy.
The same team that most people had picking in the top 5 not just this year but for 5-10 of the next years.
Im starting to wonder if you read too much SI while smoking weed. Because McNabb could easily be considered the most over rated Qb next to Peyton Manning of all time. Amd before you start Peyton Manning had the worst playoffs he has ever had. And BOB SANDERS is CLEARLY that teams MVP along with the SUPER BOWL MVP TOANY ONE WHO WATCHED THE PLAY OFFS AND THE SUPER BOWL. THEY WENT FROM THE WORST RUNDEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE TO A TOP NOTCH RUN DEFENSE BECAUSE OF ONE MAN. THEN HE SHOWED YOU HE CAN CATCH TOO AND THAT IS WHAT BEAT THE BEARS NOT SOME OVER RATED OPIE GRIFFITH CHOIR SPOKESPERSON WHO HAS BEEN SURROUNDED BY NOT ONLY ELITE TALENT BUT MAYBE THE MOST TALENTED OFFENSE EVER ASSEMBLED. I CANT WAIT TILL TOM BRADY AND RANDY MOSS SHOW PEYTON WHAT HAPPENS NOW THAT BRADY HAS HALF THE TALENT MANNING HAS HAD SURROUNDING HIM HIS ENTIRE CAREER. Marino would of given all of america ISOTONERS for the talent that peyton has surrounding him

Zbikowski_9
05-04-2007, 01:31 AM
Lets just wait to see if TJ pans out, if not there will be free-agent QBs next year and if he did so crap that we have a high draft pick we can get Brohm (who will be way better than Quinn). Bradys in Cleavland, so get over him, i am glad we didnt't pick him at 7, there are so many better QB's out there.

swagger
05-05-2007, 01:39 PM
Brady Quinn is already tearing it up in Cleveland:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1178354804234600.xml&coll=2&thispage=2

Vikes99ej
05-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Brady Quinn is already tearing it up in Cleveland:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1178354804234600.xml&coll=2&thispage=2

Thank you for just making my day.