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Go Blue
04-29-2007, 06:53 PM
Now that the draft is over how many of you guys are happy with this weekends results for our beloved Lions?

In my opinion it fell apart after the 1st round for us. I am fine with the CJ pick but it looks like a few bad reaches after that.

Jagonsucker
04-29-2007, 07:05 PM
i said no because Harris was right there and we didnt take him..I dont like Stanton

reinar
04-29-2007, 07:17 PM
I said no, because no matter how good Calvin Johnson is, the fact that he has to be better than 3 other guys (the switching of a first rounder, and even a second and third rounder) is insane, considering WR was prolly the one place we didnt need to draft.

so to me, instead of a DE, MLB, CB/S we got one more WR.

Iamcanadian
04-30-2007, 08:34 AM
I said no, because no matter how good Calvin Johnson is, the fact that he has to be better than 3 other guys (the switching of a first rounder, and even a second and third rounder) is insane, considering WR was prolly the one place we didnt need to draft.

so to me, instead of a DE, MLB, CB/S we got one more WR.

I agree completely.

Mythos
04-30-2007, 09:32 AM
Voted No. And Reiner is completely right on this.
Where did everybody go w/ we should trade down.... trade down again....?

Also, how does a guy w/ Millen's track record get the benefit of the doubt. If a mechanic jacks up your car, then does it again, and again after that, the next time you're thinking "I'll give it a chance" "it could work out really well..." What am I not understanding?

tbraton
04-30-2007, 10:25 AM
Lions need more players....Millen needed to trade down even if you don't follow the trade value chart........a GM has 2 responsibilities during the draft: 1) fill needs and 2) get value for the pick.....CJ gets value for the pick, but trading down satisfies need and value....Millen's a moron.......

detroit4life
04-30-2007, 01:03 PM
trading downs not easy and Millen doesnt want to just give away CJ no one came close to what we were looking for

Xiomera
04-30-2007, 01:22 PM
If we would have traded up for Dave Harris or Victor Abiamiri, I would have been thrilled.

But we didn't, so I am pissed instead.

Addict
04-30-2007, 01:29 PM
Voted No. And Reiner is completely right on this.
Where did everybody go w/ we should trade down.... trade down again....?

Also, how does a guy w/ Millen's track record get the benefit of the doubt. If a mechanic jacks up your car, then does it again, and again after that, the next time you're thinking "I'll give it a chance" "it could work out really well..." What am I not understanding?

what you're not understanding is: this is CJ you're talking about.

On a side note, I agree with Scotty round one was it, after that... We messed it up by not adressing need in round two (QB could have been done next year)

woodnick
04-30-2007, 01:31 PM
I feel like I just dropped $500 at the casino, the constant thought that I almost hit the jackpot followed by the reality that I want to vomit because I feel like I got kicked in the left nut!

Bootland27
04-30-2007, 01:54 PM
A resounding NO. They didn't address needs at LB or CB on day 1. AJ Davis could have some potential, but millen probably was too busy driving around naked on day 1.

And those who said yes, no offense but it seems like y'all were brainwashed by millen.

Lions-Slappy
04-30-2007, 04:25 PM
Absolutley No, CJ was a good pick but after that it stunk, I cannot understand how they trade away Poz for Stanton, we could have had our next Chris Spielman at LB and probably still gotten Stanton at the end of the second or third round.

I Hate Millen.

Scotty D
04-30-2007, 04:46 PM
I know Millen is the GM, but I'm pretty sure he got the players Marinelli wanted besides Patrick Willis.

detroit4life
04-30-2007, 05:38 PM
I know Millen is the GM, but I'm pretty sure he got the players Marinelli wanted besides Patrick Willis.


thank you i wish everyone here could keep an open mind about this draft. If we took Charles Johnson and McCauley instead of Alma Francis and Alexander then everyone would probably have different feelings. Alma Francis and Alexander are the guys Marinelli and Barry wanted they did their HW on them and like these guys. Martz did his HW on Stanton and he's the guy he wanted so why not give these guys some faith these are the players they wanted for their systems and they as coaches are happy so can we stop the complaining and see what happens these guys havent even put on a jersey and we're already unhappy with them.

Michigan
04-30-2007, 06:23 PM
Not being able to trade down and wasting a pick on Stanton make this one of our poorer drafts in recent memory.

dreadedluck
04-30-2007, 06:30 PM
They did their homework is suspect. and lets say they loved them, they were taken to high, late rounder Alexander and mid to late for Francis. So what are you talking about, Faith is for us to have in God, not in a man that produces rotten fruit. Get a hold of yourself man we love Detroit as much as you, but pretending something is good, doesnt make it reality.


They as coaches have failed, if they had a good past with picking players we would say ok. When they yank our chain with defense talk and needing impact players, and getting 7 freakin projects it is stupid and they are liars. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

WMD
04-30-2007, 06:53 PM
I'll say yes.. I'm very happy we ended up with CJ.. I'm really interested to see what we can get out of IAF and Gerald Alexander.. The coaches must love something about them to make them trade up to pick them.. Ikaika definitely has the tools to be a real good one. I loved the Manuel Ramirez pick, I think he's going to be very good for us. The only downer for me is Drew Stanton.. One thing's certain, everyone we picked is a hard worker and should fit what Marinelli wants to build this team into.

detroit4life
04-30-2007, 08:39 PM
They did their homework is suspect. and lets say they loved them, they were taken to high, late rounder Alexander and mid to late for Francis. So what are you talking about, Faith is for us to have in God, not in a man that produces rotten fruit. Get a hold of yourself man we love Detroit as much as you, but pretending something is good, doesnt make it reality.


They as coaches have failed, if they had a good past with picking players we would say ok. When they yank our chain with defense talk and needing impact players, and getting 7 freakin projects it is stupid and they are liars. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

and ur tellin me you know that these players are bad? im confident you no very little about most of these players otherr than CJ and Stanton and you just to narrow minded to ccept players that you are not familiar with, players you didnt hear kiper or scott talk about. You honestly think the front office moved up twice to get players thay they know nothing about. These are the guys our staff wanted so you should wake up and realize there are other skilled players that you dont know a ton about but the fact that we dont know a lot of them dont make them any less of a player

Scotty D
04-30-2007, 08:55 PM
and ur tellin me you know that these players are bad? im confident you no very little about most of these players otherr than CJ and Stanton and you just to narrow minded to ccept players that you are not familiar with, players you didnt hear kiper or scott talk about. You honestly think the front office moved up twice to get players thay they know nothing about. These are the guys our staff wanted so you should wake up and realize there are other skilled players that you dont know a ton about but the fact that we dont know a lot of them dont make them any less of a player

Ding ding ding! We HAVE A WINNER!

reinar
05-01-2007, 05:05 AM
If CJ turns out to be a bust (aka rogers - broken collar bone) or BMW or any other busts cause lets face it, its possible, and with the draft % busts, its still possible.

if he does bust, you remember to tell me that I didnt understand cause it was CJ.

i understand that he has to have triple the output to be considered a good deal, cause that is what we gave up - 1 first round and 2 second rounds, high 2nds at that.

Mythos
05-01-2007, 06:29 AM
Look at it from a different perspective. Pretend we were starting w/ no.8 and had 3 high second round picks. Think about it for a second.......
Now imagine Millen packages everything and goes after CJ. How would you feel about it then? Perfect position to address this defense and what the he** just happened? Tell me somebody like Jimmy Johnson, AJ Smith or Polian would do that.
Opportunity cost--not a hard concept to grasp.

supermario86
05-05-2007, 02:33 PM
I like the Alama-Francis pick and the Ramirez pick

Addict
05-05-2007, 06:28 PM
If CJ turns out to be a bust (aka rogers - broken collar bone) or BMW or any other busts cause lets face it, its possible, and with the draft % busts, its still possible.

if he does bust, you remember to tell me that I didnt understand cause it was CJ.

i understand that he has to have triple the output to be considered a good deal, cause that is what we gave up - 1 first round and 2 second rounds, high 2nds at that.

all you ever do is nag nag nag, are you a girl? For crying out loud man, draft's over, we did well, by all acounts we could've done a lot worse. I for one am glad that for a change we didn't reach or made a pick that made little to no sense. Finally all we have to whine about is the fact we didn't trade down and get buttraped in the process.

Seriously, it's not all that bad, we got the best player in the entire draft and didn't settle for less. The only way I could be more satisfied is when my girlfriend comes home for a weekend in two weeks, because when she does I'll finally get laid again, which has been far too long.

Maybe that's what you need, some female attention to get frustrated over. Oh and in case you didn't notice yet: your nagging pisses me off.

dreadedluck
05-05-2007, 07:02 PM
WE GOT THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT, this has to be the dumbest statement that any organization or person can make. This isnt individual sports here!

It is not about the best player but the best team.

Addict
05-05-2007, 07:03 PM
WE GOT THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT, this has to be the dumbest statement that any organization or person can make. This isnt individual sports here!

It is not about the best player but the best team.

<sigh> yes but we can't select teams in the draft now can we, genius?

dreadedluck
05-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Its a pretty simple cause and effect thing here. You dont have a team without the players you put on the team. You cant take one away from the other and still maintain a team. Last time I checked almost every team was built primarily through the draft. So lets get this straight, they draft players and those players make up the TEAM, What a concept! Free Agency is the other way teams pick players. So yes the Lions are a team by all the choices Matt Millen has made in player personal. Since we can pick players to change our team and to upgrade our team, then it is safe to conclude that we have picked our team in the draft by the players selected. I guess I am a genius!

I know you are being denied your basic sexual desires but, she will be coming home soon. If reinar pisses you off then you know how I feel about your post.

Addict
05-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Its a pretty simple cause and effect thing here. You dont have a team without the players you put on the team. You cant take one away from the other and still maintain a team. Last time I checked almost every team was built primarily through the draft. So lets get this straight, they draft players and those players make up the TEAM, What a concept! Free Agency is the other way teams pick players. So yes the Lions are a team by all the choices Matt Millen has made in player personal. Since we can pick players to change our team and to upgrade our team, then it is safe to conclude that we have picked our team in the draft by the players selected. I guess I am a genius!

I know you are being denied your basic sexual desires but, she will be coming home soon. If reinar pisses you off then you know how I feel about your post.

Even though I don't agree with you (best players make up the best team after all, at least, if they work together) but I'll give you some positive rep for the response anyways ;).

Not every team is built through the draft (redskins?) but yes you do make a good point, I never said it's all gone fantastically well, we could've done better, but I am glad we didn't reach or mess up with the pick, yes, it was on offense, but on the other hand:
1. one of the Lions' biggest problems last year was red zone scoring
2. a few players (kitna, Roy Williams) said they'd love CJ
3. Martz is very excited about having Johnson

So you could argue it was a very solid pick that made a lot of people very happy. I still think we didn't do enough to improve the secondary and linebacking corps, but Lehman will be back from injury and Sims will continue to improve. In all I think the defense will not be any stronger, but it won't have weakened a lot, d-line improved (if redding decides to play) and we got rid of some dead weight (BMW, McCown) in the process as well. Even though we still have defensive holes, I think we did well this offseason.

And my girlfriend will be home soon, so don't worry ;) but thanks.

dreadedluck
05-06-2007, 04:01 PM
The best players don't make up the best team, that is crap. It is the team that works as a group. ANd you cant assume that the best players equal the best team. That is completely illogical.

I said almost every team. The Redskins are an example of what happens when you don't use the draft. I do believe they are old, and terrible. And only had one Draft pick on day one. So I guess the Redskins show what happens when you neglect the draft, only encouraging teams not to neglect it.

Redzone scoring, what players want, and what the OFFENSE COORDINATOR likes... Our offense was horrible in the red zone, becasue of the offense scheme. Everyone knows you need to run the ball, and use play action in the redzone, to pull the secondary tight or freeze them. Because Martz ellected to have Jon Kitna drop back, in three and four WR schemes, the offense had to rely on the skills of Kitna. As we know these skills are found wanting. We can all hate Furrey, but he got 98 balls, and had 1000+ yards recieving last year. While CJ is an upgrade, the offensive struggles were a horrible game plan in the red zone, not player personal. When you bring Campbell in the game, a blocking TE, and have him running patterns, it shows you the passing mentality Martz has.

It was a pick that Millen wanted to make. It was a safe pick for him, because everyone says he was the best player in the draft. And he looks good, and shows lots of potential. But with trade potential to Denver and Atlanta, we could have had a better overall team.

We completely are at opposite ends, as far as the off season goes. I believe that this draft was the worst draft Millen has had. The potential was so high. The players we needed were right there. You want to be happy we got the best WR, thats great but we passed on 3 or 4 potential starters for years to come.

How has the D line improved. Kalimba Edwards is a starter... he is a speed rusher and is invisable against the run. Rogers, has injury problems, and an attitude problem, not to forget about stupid penalties. White was a backup on a team that needed DE, but was willing to give him up. And Redding are best player on the line last year, he is angry, about money and if that gets fixed then maybe you will get production out of him. I think we are a lot worse. Francis the rookie, isnt prepared to be an every down guy. He is still green. And his best spot is in the middle not the edge. So we will see what happens.

dreadedluck
05-06-2007, 04:14 PM
and ur tellin me you know that these players are bad? im confident you no very little about most of these players otherr than CJ and Stanton and you just to narrow minded to ccept players that you are not familiar with, players you didnt hear kiper or scott talk about. You honestly think the front office moved up twice to get players thay they know nothing about. These are the guys our staff wanted so you should wake up and realize there are other skilled players that you dont know a ton about but the fact that we dont know a lot of them dont make them any less of a player

Im telling you these players are suspect. Stanton and Alexander would have been there next round. Francis, Alexander, and Stanton, are project players that will not make an impact on the team. Francis and Alexander are tweeners. Francis played no high school ball, and is green at the position. Alexander started as a Cornerback and moved as a senior, to safety. He is still learning the position. Add to the 4.58 40 he ran didnt help out team speed. If you want more details feel free ask more questions.

Because you no very little about the players doesnt mean you should assume everyone is as foolish as you. The front office is run by the worst team in football, the fact that you hold such high regard to the laughing stock of football, Mr. Millen, only shows your ignorance on the topic.

Scotty D
05-06-2007, 05:01 PM
Im telling you these players are suspect. Stanton and Alexander would have been there next round. Francis, Alexander, and Stanton, are project players that will not make an impact on the team. Francis and Alexander are tweeners. Francis played no high school ball, and is green at the position. Alexander started as a Cornerback and moved as a senior, to safety. He is still learning the position. Add to the 4.58 40 he ran didnt help out team speed. If you want more details feel free ask more questions.

Because you no very little about the players doesnt mean you should assume everyone is as foolish as you. The front office is run by the worst team in football, the fact that you hold such high regard to the laughing stock of football, Mr. Millen, only shows your ignorance on the topic.

Millen did not run this draft. Marinelli and Martz did.

dreadedluck
05-06-2007, 07:20 PM
Scotty, Millen has the say, he is influenced by Martz and Marinelli, but in the end the GM is responsible. That's just the way it goes, and the way it should go!

detroit4life
05-06-2007, 09:55 PM
Im telling you these players are suspect. Stanton and Alexander would have been there next round. Francis, Alexander, and Stanton, are project players that will not make an impact on the team. Francis and Alexander are tweeners. Francis played no high school ball, and is green at the position. Alexander started as a Cornerback and moved as a senior, to safety. He is still learning the position. Add to the 4.58 40 he ran didnt help out team speed. If you want more details feel free ask more questions.

Because you no very little about the players doesnt mean you should assume everyone is as foolish as you. The front office is run by the worst team in football, the fact that you hold such high regard to the laughing stock of football, Mr. Millen, only shows your ignorance on the topic.

ur the most arrogant poster i've seen here for a while its just a shame your a lions fan and i have to deal with ur idiotic posts. I knew all of that about these players so does everyone else here you can find that anywhere. Have u watched alexander or Alma Francis play more than 2 games in their career? you dont know whether thet're good or not. a 4.58 doesnt mean anything about whether he can play football or not so i could care less what he runs and ill let you know its a fact that Alexander was Barry's pick he wanted him Millen just made the deal to get him. Every single player picked was the coaches pick Millens job was simply to get that player and he did just that. Will these guys all contribute next year? probably not as much as we would lik but lets think about it real quick are we goin for the superbowl next year? They're building a team here this team isnt a one year fix and if u rly think it is then you should just give up now. Ur completely wrong on about everything you say when it comes to this draft so please just give up cz ur just annoying me now

dreadedluck
05-06-2007, 10:29 PM
ur the most arrogant poster i've seen here for a while its just a shame your a lions fan and i have to deal with ur idiotic posts. I knew all of that about these players so does everyone else here you can find that anywhere. Have u watched alexander or Alma Francis play more than 2 games in their career? you dont know whether thet're good or not. a 4.58 doesnt mean anything about whether he can play football or not so i could care less what he runs and ill let you know its a fact that Alexander was Barry's pick he wanted him Millen just made the deal to get him. Every single player picked was the coaches pick Millens job was simply to get that player and he did just that. Will these guys all contribute next year? probably not as much as we would lik but lets think about it real quick are we goin for the superbowl next year? They're building a team here this team isnt a one year fix and if u rly think it is then you should just give up now. Ur completely wrong on about everything you say when it comes to this draft so please just give up cz ur just annoying me now

If you don't like the posts then ignore them. Millen is responsible, for the players, and the coaches. Its his job to bring in people that fit his desires. Marinelli is his guy, so naturally they should think alike. Martz was deparate for a job and Detroit was the only team seriously interested. Football is run by GM's.

You got one thing right its about BUILDING A TEAM, not about getting one proven player (CJ) and a bunch of project players. It is about getting as much as you can. Marinelli, Martz, have both said Stanton, Francis, Alexander are project players. The SCOUTS say Alexander was a reach. So if you think differently then good for you. But of course I would love to see your impressive resume. 4.58 speed means a hell of a lot when you got a guy that doesnt know the postion so he cant rely on his instincts and has NO makeup speed when he is slow off the ball.

UMMMM its not Millen's job to get what the coaches want. It is his job to get everyone in order, and be the representive of the team. He makes the calls on the hirings and firings. The coaches have input, but they aren't holding any cards. As Parcellls once said, if your going to be the cook in the kitchen, it would be nice to be the one buying the groceries.(paraphrase) So if you want to believe Millen is a yes man, then you sure can.

Its not about a one year fix, you sound like Millen, he said that 6 years ago, and is still saying it. Every year we are starting from scratch based on MILLENS picks. If you really practiced what you preached, you would be pissed we took CJ, when we could have recieved three or four potential starters. And I m the arrogant one? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. And if Im annoying you, maybe its time to retire.

jbombul
05-07-2007, 02:10 AM
If you don't like the posts then ignore them. Millen is responsible, for the players, and the coaches. Its his job to bring in people that fit his desires. Marinelli is his guy, so naturally they should think alike. Martz was deparate for a job and Detroit was the only team seriously interested. Football is run by GM's.

You got one thing right its about BUILDING A TEAM, not about getting one proven player (CJ) and a bunch of project players. It is about getting as much as you can. Marinelli, Martz, have both said Stanton, Francis, Alexander are project players. The SCOUTS say Alexander was a reach. So if you think differently then good for you. But of course I would love to see your impressive resume. 4.58 speed means a hell of a lot when you got a guy that doesnt know the postion so he cant rely on his instincts and has NO makeup speed when he is slow off the ball.

UMMMM its not Millen's job to get what the coaches want. It is his job to get everyone in order, and be the representive of the team. He makes the calls on the hirings and firings. The coaches have input, but they aren't holding any cards. As Parcellls once said, if your going to be the cook in the kitchen, it would be nice to be the one buying the groceries.(paraphrase) So if you want to believe Millen is a yes man, then you sure can.

Its not about a one year fix, you sound like Millen, he said that 6 years ago, and is still saying it. Every year we are starting from scratch based on MILLENS picks. If you really practiced what you preached, you would be pissed we took CJ, when we could have recieved three or four potential starters. And I m the arrogant one? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. And if Im annoying you, maybe its time to retire.


ARE YOU A WOMAN? SERIOUSLY, i can just hear your voice screeching in my head, i haven't heard nagging like this since my sister couldn't decide what color dress she wanted for her prom........needless to say i back-handed her and i wish i could do the same to you as well, NO OFFENSE

Addict
05-07-2007, 12:50 PM
ARE YOU A WOMAN? SERIOUSLY, i can just hear your voice screeching in my head, i haven't heard nagging like this since my sister couldn't decide what color dress she wanted for her prom........needless to say i back-handed her and i wish i could do the same to you as well, NO OFFENSE

Thank you for highlighting my point ;)

detroit4life
05-07-2007, 01:20 PM
If you don't like the posts then ignore them. Millen is responsible, for the players, and the coaches. Its his job to bring in people that fit his desires. Marinelli is his guy, so naturally they should think alike. Martz was deparate for a job and Detroit was the only team seriously interested. Football is run by GM's.

You got one thing right its about BUILDING A TEAM, not about getting one proven player (CJ) and a bunch of project players. It is about getting as much as you can. Marinelli, Martz, have both said Stanton, Francis, Alexander are project players. The SCOUTS say Alexander was a reach. So if you think differently then good for you. But of course I would love to see your impressive resume. 4.58 speed means a hell of a lot when you got a guy that doesnt know the postion so he cant rely on his instincts and has NO makeup speed when he is slow off the ball.

UMMMM its not Millen's job to get what the coaches want. It is his job to get everyone in order, and be the representive of the team. He makes the calls on the hirings and firings. The coaches have input, but they aren't holding any cards. As Parcellls once said, if your going to be the cook in the kitchen, it would be nice to be the one buying the groceries.(paraphrase) So if you want to believe Millen is a yes man, then you sure can.

Its not about a one year fix, you sound like Millen, he said that 6 years ago, and is still saying it. Every year we are starting from scratch based on MILLENS picks. If you really practiced what you preached, you would be pissed we took CJ, when we could have recieved three or four potential starters. And I m the arrogant one? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. And if Im annoying you, maybe its time to retire.

im not gonna go over all of this with u again since its just not worth it u wanta believe what u wanta believe and u dont wanta listen to anyone disagree with you but if u wanta put all ur thoughts on a player over his 40 time you must think kevin jones sucks cuz he ran a 4.59. 40 times are the most overrated things ever Alexanders 4.58 doesnt mean he is a bad football player at all it just means we shouldn't put him on a track running sprints with out pads on.

dreadedluck
05-07-2007, 04:17 PM
jbombul..Of course you here screeching, from the train wreck in your head. It only figures that you recide to falacy arguements, and illogical thoughts, when you have nothing intelligent to say. And next time tell the whole story, how after you hit your sister she body slammed and kicked the crap out of you. Then had you wear her Prom dress.

Detroit4life, all im doing is pointing out facts. If you think they are wasteless comments thats cool. Obviously the Lions are in this position every year for a reason. So hopefully we may agree on that. It is very clear, and Im extremely happy to have the season do my talking, because you are right about one thing, someone is oblivious!

dreadedluck
05-07-2007, 04:19 PM
jbombul..Of course you here screeching, from the train wreck in your head. It only figures that you recide to falacy arguements, and illogical thoughts, when you have nothing intelligent to say. And next time tell the whole story, how after you hit your sister she body slammed and kicked the crap out of you. Then had you wear her Prom dress.

Detroit4life, all im doing is pointing out facts. If you think they are wasteless comments thats cool. Obviously the Lions are in this position every year for a reason. So hopefully we may agree on that. It is very clear, and Im extremely happy to have the season do my talking, because you are right about one thing, someone is oblivious!

detroit4life
05-07-2007, 05:11 PM
first off nice double post second off what facts are you pointing out? that alexander ran a 4.58? I am not a fan of millen i highly doubt anyone here rly is so congrats for bashing him its not very hard. That exact reason is why i am a fan of this draft because these players werent Millens decision. Marinelli Martz and Barry wanted every single one of these players they all fit the qualities that Marinelli was looking for. This draft isnt full of speed its filled with high character players who Marinelli and Martz can work with this year and they will be contributors down the line. This is a different draft then usual because of that in the past it has all been about to 40 times etc. That use to be what Millen is looking for so your complaining about this draft because it lacks what our draft usually had yet yo also complain about our past drafts your just contradicting u say talk both ways yet ur doing the same thing.

Mythos
05-07-2007, 09:51 PM
The exact players were definitely the coaches' decisions, but the draft strategy was set by Millen. The strategy was one flashy, high potential guy over 3-4 solid starters. This draft was the antithesis of building a team.

iKNOW
05-08-2007, 12:32 AM
they got CJ which is good - best player in the draft. however, they should have traded down to fill needs. WR is not a need especially in martz system as it seems to work with average guys too and plus roy williams is still around.

now the lions have a huge project at DE in IAF. no CB to speak of besides bryant. and still a lack of playmaker at MLB.

if they had no offers then it was a decent draft. if they did have an offer, they messed up by taking CJ.

detroit4life
05-08-2007, 06:53 AM
they ha an offer from denver everyone else didnt come close to matching value that rumored atl offer is untrue IMO

jbombul
05-08-2007, 08:53 AM
jbombul..Of course you here screeching, from the train wreck in your head. It only figures that you recide to falacy arguements, and illogical thoughts, when you have nothing intelligent to say. And next time tell the whole story, how after you hit your sister she body slammed and kicked the crap out of you. Then had you wear her Prom dress.

Detroit4life, all im doing is pointing out facts. If you think they are wasteless comments thats cool. Obviously the Lions are in this position every year for a reason. So hopefully we may agree on that. It is very clear, and Im extremely happy to have the season do my talking, because you are right about one thing, someone is oblivious!

PLEASE!! maybe ill bodyslam you like IAF and Manny are going to do to opponents this year, this draft was awesome, go read some of hondo's impressions, i believe we are on the way up, it maybe not be for 2 years perhaps but we will make strides this year

Addict
05-08-2007, 09:54 AM
PLEASE!! maybe ill bodyslam you like IAF and Manny are going to do to opponents this year, this draft was awesome, go read some of hondo's impressions, i believe we are on the way up, it maybe not be for 2 years perhaps but we will make strides this year

Don't bother, he's IAC incarnated. Except for a few things:

1. IAC isn't dead
2. IAC actually makes points, even though I don't agree with him 80% of the time
3. IAC makes sense
4. they have different screen names
5. IAC is a real fan, who is discouraged through years of suckage, this guy is just full of ****.

detroit4life
05-08-2007, 06:38 PM
Don't bother, he's IAC incarnated. Except for a few things:

1. IAC isn't dead
2. IAC actually makes points, even though I don't agree with him 80% of the time
3. IAC makes sense
4. they have different screen names
5. IAC is a real fan, who is discouraged through years of suckage, this guy is just full of ****.

completely right

Mythos
05-08-2007, 07:30 PM
they ha an offer from denver everyone else didnt come close to matching value that rumored atl offer is untrue IMO

Assume we'd made that trade w/ Denver. Would this draft have been better or worse? and why?

btw, I agree the atlanta thing was smoke, I don't think they had any intention of going through w/ any real offer.

detroit4life
05-08-2007, 07:57 PM
worse The entire coachng staff wanted an elite player in this draft they had zero interest to move all the way to 21 and go from elite to a good player. Now i dont know the other picks involved but if we got their second which i assume we would have our draft woul have benn no different except for an extra second since we never would have moved up since we already had a second. The future picks in 08 dont mean to much to me since I fell denver is going to be good ths year so all those picks will be very low. This draft is going to end up very good in the next two years IMO. IAF has gotten great remarks from observers and Alexander is looking good.


Also to everyone who says Alexander was a reach just to inform u we got trade offers for him after we took him

jbombul
05-09-2007, 06:40 AM
yea i definetly agree, if we traded down to denver, its likely we would have either a: traded back to the second or b: just took stanton in the first. so we would have ended up with everyone except for cj, which would have been horrible

Addict
05-09-2007, 08:23 AM
yea i definetly agree, if we traded down to denver, its likely we would have either a: traded back to the second or b: just took stanton in the first. so we would have ended up with everyone except for cj, which would have been horrible

21 is too low a pick for the Lions, we need some Elite guys in order to turn ourselves around, it's that simple.

lionsfan81
05-09-2007, 12:02 PM
for everyone that thinks johnny baldwin was a reach, and gerald alexander was a reach, does it really matter? I mean if GAs picked 2nd in the 3rd round something like 5 picks later than he was taken, is he all of a sudden a worse player?? the answer is NO. People offered us trades to take him AFTER we drafted him, thats how many people wanted him. The patriots and other teams do this all the time, to get the guy you want and need sometimes you have to reach and then you leave everyone else pissed off because they were waiting for them to fall in their laps in the next round.