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lionsfan81
04-29-2007, 07:47 PM
I decided this would be better in its own thread, i wanna know what everyone thinks about each player drafted.

1st -Calvin Johnson - Stud WR, him roy and mike will make a crazy WR tandom that matches anyone in the league. Also improves our presence in the red zone tremendously, great pick up even tho not an area of need (see NO with Reggie Bush last year)

2nd - Drew Stanton- Not my favorite QB in the draft (i am a diehard state fan too) but could turn out very well. You will not find a better leader or character qb in this draft but definately has some poor decision making choices while throwing. I hope some tutelage(sp?) under martz will help him and make him be able to read defenses better. Reminds me a lot of Kitna in respect to doesnt always make the right choice but is a great leader. Dont forget orlovsky could end up the starter anyways.

2nd - Alama Ikaika-Francis - Love this kids potential. If he had as much time as a normal prospect does playing DE he couldve been a 1st round pick. Tremendous speed and one of the hardest working players in the draft. Read the ESPN article on him if you can, you will feel better about drafting him. His dad will push him as hard as anyone and that is good to know that he has that influence on him as well. I think with Rod teaching him, he could be the steal of the draft and terrorize the quarterback for years to come, although I do not expect that much this year

2nd - Gerald Alexander - When i first heard this pick i was pissed, but the more i read about him the better i felt about the draft pick (even though we had to trade up to get him). He will be a very solid player and an improvement over Jon McGraw for now in nickle situations. He has great athleticism and if youve seen the youtube video of him, you know he can tackle. I think in a year or two he will take the starting job from Kenoy away and we will be loving how this guy plays the game.

4th - AJ Davis- Another pick that left me scratching my head with the syracuse corner still on the board, but the more i reseachered the pick the more i liked about him. I do feel however that he wont ever become a starter, but should be a solid backup corner. My friend told me he read somewhere how he has never had a WR ever score a TD against him in some thousand number of passes. If that is true that is an amazing stat and could be good news. He also was projected as a later pick because of an injury he sustained his senior year and was hurt at the combine so that hurt his stock. I think he has great upside though and is a player that can support the run and play the cover 2 very well, i will love to see how this player develops.

4th - Manny Ramirez- I loved when i saw the lions traded up to take this guy. He will be a starter once Woody is cut and i predict that will be after this season. He is great in pass coverage and a mauler in run blocking. The only problem i have is he has weight issues and it seems that all of our lineman are always having them so that is not good news. Other than that i feel this guy is a steal and is going to be a very good starter down the line.

5th- Johnny Baldwin - When i heard this pick i was upset too. Another guy i knew nothing about as im sure no one did. But i looked up information and i am excited about this guys potential. They say he is one of the best defenders in Div 1AA and in fact was the preseason favorite to win the award. We drafted him to play MIKE and he also had a very impressive workout for scouts. He ran a 4.59 40-yard dash, had a 38-inch vertical, a 10-4 broad jump, and had 28 225-pound bench press reps. He also led the Bulldogs to their first SWAC title and was named Defensive Most Valuable Player in the John Merritt Classic, the Magic City Classic, and the SWAC Championship Game. He is a three-time all-Southwestern Athletic Conference selection including first-team honors as both a junior and senior. He also earned All-America honors and team MVP honors as senior and was named AAMU Athlete of the Year for all sports. He is the only player in Bulldog history to record over 100 tackles in three seasons and ranks third all-time with 35.0 tackles for loss. Last but not least he is the first player drafted from this school since Robert Mathis by the Colts and we know he turned out to be a good pick. I am excited to see what he can show. (i know thats a lot of info but i figured most of you know nothing about him)

7th - Ramzee Robinson - I like this guys character and attitude. He should make the roster as a special teams guy and possible kick returner. He is small but is good in coverage and is the type of guy coaches want to bring in as an UDFA. He was a 3 year starter i believe and has good potential to make the team.

I know many (including myself) did not like this draft at first, but i think it could turn out to be pretty solid. We just need all the players to make the team and then that will show how well of a draft we had. I know its a lot of information to read but I hope you like my analysis!

Xiomera
04-29-2007, 07:52 PM
Simply put:

I liked the CJ and Stanton picks . . . the rest of them made me rip my haird out.

lionsfan81
04-29-2007, 08:00 PM
Simply put:

I liked the CJ and Stanton picks . . . the rest of them made me rip my haird out.

i was the same way, but i feel its because we knew nothing about the picks we were drafting. If you learn about some of them you will like it a little more. Rod and Matt put a premium on character and every guy they drafted has that. I think that is why we passed on a lot of bigger name guys. Only time will tell how this turns out, but i am going to give Rod the benefit of the doubt as he proved to me that he knew what he was doing with last years draft.

TacticaLion
04-29-2007, 08:29 PM
i was the same way, but i feel its because we knew nothing about the picks we were drafting. If you learn about some of them you will like it a little more. Rod and Matt put a premium on character and every guy they drafted has that. I think that is why we passed on a lot of bigger name guys. Only time will tell how this turns out, but i am going to give Rod the benefit of the doubt as he proved to me that he knew what he was doing with last years draft.Word for word.

Great post.

jbombul
04-29-2007, 08:43 PM
good to see you back tatical.... i overall liked this draft, lots of potential and if our coaches can coach these guys up, we will have some quality players

Jagonsucker
04-29-2007, 09:36 PM
1. CJ - best player in the draft. Him and Roy will be an amazing WR duo

2. Stanton- With David Harris on the board, we should have taken him. Im not really a fan of Stanton.

2nd - Alama Ikaika-Francis - Don't know him. From what i read he can play end and tackle and hes got a lot of potential.

2nd - Gerald Alexander - Didnt like this pick

4th - AJ Davis- hopefully a diamond in the rough...i would have rather had Mccauley

4th - Manny Ramirez- The only pick other than CJ i really liked.

5th- Johnny Baldwin - Probably will play on special teams for a while..i dont really see him starting..ever

7th - Ramzee Robinson - dont know him

overall: C
we could have done much better

Iamcanadian
04-30-2007, 08:52 AM
1. CJ - best player in the draft but not a building block for a team with serious defensive holes. You don't start a rebuilding process with a WR much less 4 in 5 years. This was a joke, right!


2. Stanton- The 34th pick is a 1st round talent as there are always 35 guys carring a 1st round grade in every draft. We settled for the 5th ranked QB in the draft who well might have been there in the 3rd round.


2nd - Alama Ikaika-Francis - a solid 2nd rounder who is a Cover 2 DT prospect. That position is already filled on the Lions. I don't think he will play much this year unless injuries occur.

2nd - Gerald Alexander - a late 3rd round talent but Millen felt he had to give Marinelli something.

4th - AJ Davis- a project who could develope.

4th - Manny Ramirez- an overrated player who is fat and slow. These type of guys rarely make it. Even though he played in a passing attack, pass blocking isn't a strength with him.

5th- Johnny Baldwin - Probably will play on special teams for a while..i dont really see him starting..ever -- a long term project

7th - Ramzee Robinson - a long term project

overall: 'F-"

Millen hung Marinelli out to dry in this draft, he gave Martz a player who may help make Martz's offense look good enough to get him another HCing position. About the only thing we improved in this draft was our special teams.
Please tell me how a team drafting #2 in each round, can end up with a defense that has 3 major holes. Millen once again proved he is a complete inept drafter.

asmitty45
04-30-2007, 12:11 PM
CJ - cant complain about getting the best player in the draft

Stanton - shouldnt have taken a QB, should have been david harris, and im a state fan, but he was the only QB outside of the big 2 i liked so its ok.

Ike Francis (copyright) - I like the pick, potential to be dominant

Gerald Alexander - confusing, though we were going to get Buster Davis here, they say he played cover two his whole career so he's a good fit, still a reach though.

AJ Davis - good pick, slight reach. Didnt play much cover 2 but says he acn adapt quickly.

ManRam (copyright) - Love it, great value. signals woody is on his way out, piller can train him.

Jonny Baldwin - Who? not even in scott's rankings and judging by the LB's who went undrafted, we couldve gotten this guy much later in the draft.

Ramzee Robinson - Mr. Irrelevant, i dont think he'll be to irrelevant. I think he'll make the team, he was a very good corner in college and a hard worker. I love this pick.

This draft signaled to me that Marinelli doesnt care about value, he cares about getting the guys he wants and that can fit his system. I like that about him but i dont think we needed to trade up for alexander or baldwin. Just me.

asmitty45
04-30-2007, 12:13 PM
1. CJ - best player in the draft but not a building block for a team with serious defensive holes. You don't start a rebuilding process with a WR much less 4 in 5 years. This was a joke, right!


2. Stanton- The 34th pick is a 1st round talent as there are always 35 guys carring a 1st round grade in every draft. We settled for the 5th ranked QB in the draft who well might have been there in the 3rd round.


2nd - Alama Ikaika-Francis - a solid 2nd rounder who is a Cover 2 DT prospect. That position is already filled on the Lions. I don't think he will play much this year unless injuries occur.

2nd - Gerald Alexander - a late 3rd round talent but Millen felt he had to give Marinelli something.

4th - AJ Davis- a project who could develope.

4th - Manny Ramirez- an overrated player who is fat and slow. These type of guys rarely make it. Even though he played in a passing attack, pass blocking isn't a strength with him.

5th- Johnny Baldwin - Probably will play on special teams for a while..i dont really see him starting..ever -- a long term project

7th - Ramzee Robinson - a long term project

overall: 'F-"

Millen hung Marinelli out to dry in this draft, he gave Martz a player who may help make Martz's offense look good enough to get him another HCing position. About the only thing we improved in this draft was our special teams.
Please tell me how a team drafting #2 in each round, can end up with a defense that has 3 major holes. Millen once again proved he is a complete inept drafter.


does this surprise anyone? just s**t on everything we do and then when they pan out jump right on the bandwagon.

By the way, Stanton was the 43rd pick we traded back, at least pay attention before you make these ridiculus statements

woodnick
04-30-2007, 01:45 PM
1. CJ - best player in the draft but not a building block for a team with serious defensive holes. You don't start a rebuilding process with a WR much less 4 in 5 years. This was a joke, right!


2. Stanton- The 34th pick is a 1st round talent as there are always 35 guys carring a 1st round grade in every draft. We settled for the 5th ranked QB in the draft who well might have been there in the 3rd round.


2nd - Alama Ikaika-Francis - a solid 2nd rounder who is a Cover 2 DT prospect. That position is already filled on the Lions. I don't think he will play much this year unless injuries occur.

2nd - Gerald Alexander - a late 3rd round talent but Millen felt he had to give Marinelli something.

4th - AJ Davis- a project who could develope.

4th - Manny Ramirez- an overrated player who is fat and slow. These type of guys rarely make it. Even though he played in a passing attack, pass blocking isn't a strength with him.

5th- Johnny Baldwin - Probably will play on special teams for a while..i dont really see him starting..ever -- a long term project

7th - Ramzee Robinson - a long term project

overall: 'F-"

Millen hung Marinelli out to dry in this draft, he gave Martz a player who may help make Martz's offense look good enough to get him another HCing position. About the only thing we improved in this draft was our special teams.
Please tell me how a team drafting #2 in each round, can end up with a defense that has 3 major holes. Millen once again proved he is a complete inept drafter.

I usually disagree and I gave them a higher grade overall, but I feel the same way with most of your coments specifically after CJ, because I feel like CJ was the best player avaliable unlike the past two WR's we took, no you read that correctly at the time C-Rog was the best available player, and neither of the Williams were.

woodnick
04-30-2007, 01:47 PM
Does anyone else envision Maranelli getting fired after this season just to have Millen hire another Offensive minded coach in Martz to replace him?

Addict
04-30-2007, 02:13 PM
Word for word.

Great post.

welcome back tactica, you have been missed.

dreadedluck
04-30-2007, 03:06 PM
CJ is the only potential starter. And while he is a COMPLETE LUXURY PICK, this is what Millen will hold his draft on.

Lets be honest, Stanton, Francis, Alexander are reaches in the second round and PROJECT PLAYERS. That’s right you will mostly see these guys on the bench next year. Stanton is a huge mistake. He is a scrambling QB with no accuracy on the run. Martz system is made for quick passing and timing plays, which completely differs from Stanton's style. His mechanics, and accuracy are below average, and his decision-making is suspect. This is the future boys more mistake prone QB’s in the Lions organization. Like I have said over and over, this guy is overrated, I’ve seen him play for the past four years. But since you guys can easily laugh at an idiot on a website, in four years when Stanton is going on to another team as an after thought…I TOLD YOU SO. Francis didn’t play football in high school, and is lacking in pass rushing ability and an overall comprehension of the position. Alexander played CB for three years, and is a tweener, he moved to Safety last year. On top of that 4.58 speed is not outrunning many players in the secondary so when his instincts take him an extra second to figure out what is going on. He has no makeup speed. He is still green, and needs time to learn the Safety position to become a specialist.

A.J. Davis CB N.C. State, Manuel Ramirez G Texas Tech, Johnny Baldwin LB Alabama A&M, Ramzee Robinson CB Alabama are all second day players. We didn’t steal anyone on the second day but it looks like we hopefully filled some holes for backup positions.

So what did we gain, Roy Williams contract is up in two years, we will not resign him. He will be a number two receiver on the team, wanting number 1 salary. 7 project players in a draft where we needed starters. No capable DE the most important position, on the D. Lehman and Lenon starting at MLB, where they don’t belong and where Marinelli has complained over and over that we don’t have the players. GO GET THEM!!! A weak secondary, which is a huge problem because the team doesn’t blitz, but relies on the front four for its pass rush. Redding is pissed, Rogers is still a complainer, Edwards is still frustrated, and White was a backup on a team that desperately needed DE.

It is very safe to say next year will be exactly like this year! We have gained only one starter, CJ and while he is good and potentially great, our Defense is looking worse then last year. In a league where speed D is more and more important we have completely neglected it. We ranked 28 last year in total D. I will not be surprised if it is dead last next year.

This is the worst draft I have seen from Millen and the crew. When you look at the potential we had to get so many players that could have started, it makes you want to puke. Yes Williams, Rogers, Harrington, were busts……….But in five years if CJ is healthy and we all better pray he is healthy, he will be the only impact player on the team, that is of course if he doesn’t demand a trade. We have all seen the decisions in the past and we can’t be happy with Millen likes him, or Martz and Marinelli are geniuses and can take average players and turn them into pro bowlers. With a track record like Millen’s we can only expect what the past has taught us, and this blunder after blunder. This is reality people, and I hate it as much as you guys do.


Grade F

jbombul
04-30-2007, 07:10 PM
does this surprise anyone? just s**t on everything we do and then when they pan out jump right on the bandwagon.

By the way, Stanton was the 43rd pick we traded back, at least pay attention before you make these ridiculus statements

its funny cuz i found out he is a browns fan and he is not nearly as a pessimist on the browns forums, maybe he has just been a troll this whole time?

reinar
04-30-2007, 11:03 PM
I felt that with the Cj trade down to Atlanta, picking up 2 extra second rounders, and using those and our 3/4 and most if not all 4 of our 5's we could have traded back into the bottom of the first, gotten 4 starters (yes even if they wanted a WR, which we didnt need) and been a much better team.

go and get CB, DE, S, MLB with those picks, make it quality over quantity, and be happier and better for it.

instead we added yet another WR, to a team that picked up 3 in the free agency, and adding to 2 WR's that last year, had awesome years.