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Mr. Stiller
04-29-2007, 10:48 PM
1) Lawrence Timmons, OLB, Florida State.

At first I didn't like this pick. I thought we could have had him later and so on. But I don't blame the front office for getting their guy. I watched a lot of tape on him since then and frankly I think this kid under Tomlin, LeBeau and Mitchells tutelage that he could be an absolute monster. I think he's atleast as strong as Joey Porter is right now, and he has room to grow. His 4.64 40' may be considered slow, but frankly, Porter ran a 4.69. Haggans ran a 5.04. So he can cover the TE, which is something that really caused Troy trouble. I wonder how much Winslow and Heap will like trying to catch over this kid. I really think he could be a dynamo.

2) LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan

I initially didn't like Woodley. I thought, he's not going to be able to be our Premier guy. But frankly, he's a huge upgrade over Haggans. He, right now, is a poor mans Dwight Freeney. He's undersized, but he's as strong as an ox. He's still pretty quick for his size.. cracking off a 4.7 and 4.77. He essentially played in the same position and defense as Michigan. With These guys they give us a hybrid opportunity. Both are undersized, but explosive and overpowering. I think these are great picks after Joe Thomas got picked and we have 3 great LT's in our division. Plus, who better than a Guy thats killed Brady Quinn plenty of times. We'll still own the browns.

3) Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota

I love this pick. I know everyone bashes the fact we didn't get an RB, but the only one here were Slow Hunt and unknown Bush. But Spaeth is a great pick. We get a cheaper #2 TE, Instantly upgrades Tuman... now we have another Red Zone threat. His vertical ability is sick. Ben can just throw the ball up and let him take care of it.

4a) Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor.

I don't have to explain this pick.

4b) Ryan McBean, DE/DT, Oklahoma State

Perfect Pick. I'm a small minority but I like him more than Alford. Alford is, in my opinion a 3-4 DE, period. McBean is a guy that can hold the point, stop the run and get to the passer in a 3-4.. but he's a penetrating, quick undertackle in the 4-3. Love it

5a) Cameron Stephenson, OG, Rutgers

I like him. I thought he was a phonebooth guy, but I think he'll be a monster backup, He's basically a bigger Willie Colon. I think he'll knock Simmons or Starks out next year.

5b) William ***, CB, Louisville

I scratched my head to this one, but I always liked ***. He IMO is a DeShea Townsend Clone, but with Tons of more upside. He's solid in coverage. Great in zone and Very tough against the run. He's 5'10, 178lbs. He's seen plenty of Playing time and very strong.

7) Dallas Baker, WR, Florida

Not a fan of any WR's from Florida.. But Baker has good size and I think he could surprise us. He's got good size at 6'3 208lbs, he's a good possession receiver, and if he can block and Play ST, he'll make a great Stiller.

UDFA:

Jason Capizzi, OT, IUP

He can eventually play LT. Love it. Huge size, very fast, very powerful. Bigger version of Joe Staley.

Gary Russell, RB, Minnesota

In his short career he outplayed Laurence Maroney. I think with some development, he could be the next Marion Barber. Love it.

Darnell Stapleton, OC, Rutgers..

Everyone was upset about our line. I think we got 2 steals in UDFA and a beast waiting to be unleashed in Stephenson. I think in all reality, Rutgers had an underrated OL and we got their best 2 interior players. Perhaps it won't make a difference.. I think they can both make the squad.

Say bye to Okobi for sure.

DeathbyStat
04-30-2007, 09:07 AM
Well hopefully we don't cut the majority of our day 2 like last year that was obsurd

richdg
04-30-2007, 09:11 AM
Here are the weakness of each player.
1. Timmons. Only 1 year as a starter. Raw needs work on his tech. Has trouble shedding blocks and doesn't use his hands well. Lacks ideal instincts and awareness. Needs to get bigger and stronger.
2. Woodley. Tweaner, with below average height. Timed speed is only average. Can get overpowered by massive linemen. Lack of size and speed will be magnified in the NFL.
3. Spaeth. Average athlete. lacks speed and quickness. Not a big play threat. Needs to work on leverage as a blocker. Health issues.
4a. Sepulveda. Out kicks coverage. Spotty consistency. ACL tear in his past.
Stephenson. Average size. Real raw. Not very strong or powerfull. Plays tall with poor leverage. Durability is a minor issue.
McBean. On the light side. Inconsistent and doesn't play to talent. Does not use hands well. Poor instincts and recognition skills. Very raw.
*** CB. Below average speed. Lacks bulk. Lacks recovery speed. Very little upside, no more than a backup.
Baker WR. Lacks speed and will struggle to separate in pros. Not quick or explosive. Not very tough and plays smaller than his size. Will not work middle of the feild. Battles drops, average blocker.

These are Scott's reports. Not mine. I checked a couple of other sites, and their reports were the same.

skarocksoi
04-30-2007, 09:19 AM
you are just a debbie downer

richdg
04-30-2007, 10:07 AM
No, a realist.

JayA55
04-30-2007, 02:35 PM
Lack of size? lol Woodley has great size for an OLB, you're copying over negatives from someone that was reviewing him solely as a DE. Woodley is 6'2 269, Porter is 6'3 250
How is his size even a real concern?

I don't know if you noticed this, but every single draft prospect has some negatives written about him, even Calvin Johnson. By your standard I could go through everyones draft, just acknowledge the downfalls of each player and consider everyones draft to be crap.

richdg
04-30-2007, 03:08 PM
Woodley is to small to be a DE and to slow to be a OLB. He is in the 4.77 range.

mikehop05
04-30-2007, 03:13 PM
he ran 4.7 anda 4.77 where he slipped

4.7 is good speed for what he'll do

Mr. Stiller
04-30-2007, 05:56 PM
Woodley is to small to be a DE and to slow to be a OLB. He is in the 4.77 range.

I remind you that Clark Haggans ran a 5.04 40'. He did pretty well.

I'd say Woodley was a huge upgrade and Timmons has upgrade potential if he pans out.

richdg
05-01-2007, 09:42 AM
You haven't watche Woodley every game for the last 4 years. I have. He can not cover at all. When he goes up against NFL caliber linemen, he disappeared. Go watch the OSU gam,e and the Rose Bowl. He had 1 sack and 3 tackles, combined. He disappeared in those games. Most of his numbers came against lower quality teams.

PittPete
05-01-2007, 09:51 AM
Like Richdg, i've dissed Woodley about many of his deficiencies and did not see how he would fit in either as a de or weakside lb. However he seems well groomed to fit the strong side where stopping the run and blitzing are more important than pass coverage. The thing is, Hagans, both Harrisons and even Timmons are all strong side backers. I guess we are going into the year with Harrison starting at weakside with Timmons hot on his tail.. Timmons actually seems better suited for the middle; maybe as a replacement for Farrior eventually? God do I miss Porter already!!!

mikehop05
05-01-2007, 10:47 AM
woodley will play haggans spot in a merriman type role where he doesnt drop into coverage much but rather rushes the qb

timmons can play all 7 linebacker spots

ironman4579
05-01-2007, 02:28 PM
You haven't watche Woodley every game for the last 4 years. I have. He can not cover at all. When he goes up against NFL caliber linemen, he disappeared. Go watch the OSU gam,e and the Rose Bowl. He had 1 sack and 3 tackles, combined. He disappeared in those games. Most of his numbers came against lower quality teams.

Except for the Texas game when he had like 11 tackles and like 4 TFL's. But honestly, I wouldn't disagree with your analysis. In order for him to do well in your defense, he'll need to play mainly a DE/rush backer role ala Merriman. If he's asked to do too much in coverage, he'll likely be a pretty big liability.

EDIT: Ok, I went back and looked. In '04, Woodley had 12 tackles, 2 TFL's, and 2 PBU's against OSU, and 11 tackles with 4 TFL's against Texas. So in the 2 games that he probably faced the best competition of the year, he totalled 23 tackles and 6 TFL's. That's pretty good production IMO.

As for this season. I agree he somewhat disappeared against OSU and USC, although he actually had 7 tackles and 1 sack between those 2 games. However, to say he disappeared against NFL quality lineman is a little off IMO. He played against 3 guys that were drafted in the first round this year.

vs Central Michigan(Joe Staley)-4 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR

vs Wisconsin(Joe Thomas)-1 tackles, 1 sack(not very good)

vs Penn State(Levi Brown)-5 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF

So in games versus first round guys this season, he totalled 10 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 FF, and 1 FR in 3 games. Add in the games against OSU and USC and you get 17 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 FF, 1 FR in 5 games. Not terrible production IMO.

mikehop05
05-01-2007, 04:18 PM
he wont be asked to do hardly anything in coverage

skarocksoi
05-01-2007, 05:13 PM
Well the entire coaching staff and front office seems to think he can do it, and I'm sure they would know. Colbert has been doing a great job getting defensive players in his time here, and both Tomlin and LeBeau (LeBeau especially) are good defensive minds who know whether or not a player can cut it in our system. This isn't a late round project player, its someone they expect to come in and compete.

NFLBOY
05-01-2007, 05:33 PM
Like Richdg, i've dissed Woodley about many of his deficiencies and did not see how he would fit in either as a de or weakside lb. However he seems well groomed to fit the strong side where stopping the run and blitzing are more important than pass coverage. The thing is, Hagans, both Harrisons and even Timmons are all strong side backers. I guess we are going into the year with Harrison starting at weakside with Timmons hot on his tail.. Timmons actually seems better suited for the middle; maybe as a replacement for Farrior eventually? God do I miss Porter already!!! Very well said. I don't understand much of this draft at all. We will miss Porter big time. Timmons I don't really mind. I liked that pick, but Woodley, well we'll see about that one.

steelernation77
05-01-2007, 06:10 PM
Very well said. I don't understand much of this draft at all. We will miss Porter big time. Timmons I don't really mind. I liked that pick, but Woodley, well we'll see about that one.

will you give it a rest already.

richdg
05-01-2007, 07:24 PM
Ironman, you are completely wrong. Staley Brown, and Thomas played LT vs the RDE-Biggs. Woodley played LDE against the RT. He did not match up against any of those players but for 2 or 3 plays a game. Same with USC. Baker is the LT, Woodley didn't go up against him. Or Long for that matter in practice. The only big name player Woodley went up against was Sam Young of ND. But he was a true freshman.

skarocksoi
05-01-2007, 07:46 PM
I think he played both. I just watched a youtube video of him and he was on both sides of the field. In fact, I think he was at RDE for most of the clips. Check it out for yourself.

glennjamen3
05-01-2007, 07:58 PM
I know I've disagreed with richdg on most of this draft, but I will concede that we don't really have a replacement for Porter. I love Harrison, thought he should've been starting for a while but in Haggans spot. Timmons does seem more of a Haggans or an ILB than a LOLB. Woodley kind of seems like he would do better as strong side as well.

But I like them all, I just hope we don't just try to plug them into places they don't fit.

sweetness34
05-01-2007, 08:02 PM
Hahaha I assume one of your prospects is named G a y from the three letter word that is blocked out, that's pretty funny.

While I'm here I'll say I liked your draft. I think both Timmons and Woodley could be real impact players in the 3-4 (I assume you're still keeping the same defensive system) and I love Spaeth in the 4th, great pickup. Also like Baker, good developmental WR prospect. Has great size, body control, and is a nice red zone target. I think he could be a poor man's Plaxico Burress personally, without the deep threat ability.

glennjamen3
05-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Has anybody seen the video of Sepulveda laying someone out on his own punt? I am so excited about him.

Mr. Stiller
05-01-2007, 11:19 PM
I know I've disagreed with richdg on most of this draft, but I will concede that we don't really have a replacement for Porter. I love Harrison, thought he should've been starting for a while but in Haggans spot. Timmons does seem more of a Haggans or an ILB than a LOLB. Woodley kind of seems like he would do better as strong side as well.

But I like them all, I just hope we don't just try to plug them into places they don't fit.

To clue anyone in...

Timmons is going to be a floater.. like Polamalu. He's just going to be another guy that can rush/blitz at any given time.. another guy the QB will have to find an eye for.. meaning... thats 9 other guys on defense he can't watch.

Not to mention Keisel is going to be a key cog in our defense this year.. we're really opening things up.

As for the hit from Sepulveda...

http://www.baylortv.com/streaming/000641/300kbps_ref.mov

hee yeah!

glennjamen3
05-02-2007, 02:28 AM
I can't wait to see what we do with them...

mikehop05
05-02-2007, 01:36 PM
i say we put sped in at linebacker

you see that hit?

hell at least put him on kickoff

terribletowel39
05-02-2007, 02:37 PM
i say we put sped in at linebacker

you see that hit?

hell at least put him on kickoff
don't know if you are serious here but wouldn't he be the KOS as well?? he has a stronger leg than Reed and did it in college. just curious.

mikehop05
05-02-2007, 03:16 PM
lol im being sarcastic

but yeah im not sure if he will do kickoffs as well, ive never seen a baylor game so i dont know if he did it in college as well

but it does seem his leg is stronger than reeds

ironman4579
05-02-2007, 03:39 PM
Ironman, you are completely wrong. Staley Brown, and Thomas played LT vs the RDE-Biggs. Woodley played LDE against the RT. He did not match up against any of those players but for 2 or 3 plays a game. Same with USC. Baker is the LT, Woodley didn't go up against him. Or Long for that matter in practice. The only big name player Woodley went up against was Sam Young of ND. But he was a true freshman.

He was on both sides actually, you can watch youtube highlights of the games(except against CMU) if you look for videos by the member "parkinggod." But I believe you are correct, his sacks didn't come against the LT's, although one of his sacks against PSU did come from that side, but I believe he was blocked by Tony Hunt on the play.

Mr. Stiller
05-02-2007, 09:37 PM
He was on both sides actually, you can watch youtube highlights of the games(except against CMU) if you look for videos by the member "parkinggod." But I believe you are correct, his sacks didn't come against the LT's, although one of his sacks against PSU did come from that side, but I believe he was blocked by Tony Hunt on the play.

Woodley had a sack over Levi Brown, Joe THomas... I'm not just looking at stats.. I know he was the LDE.. facing the RT.. but don't forget, the RT is the big, slow Mauler (Which is what he'll face at LOLB)... he's got the strength, and speed.

I think Derrick Burgess but faster and more upside.

CDub
05-03-2007, 07:42 PM
I certainly don't think Woodley is faster than Derrick Burgess, stronger yes, faster no. I still think he's going to be an upgrade over Haggans though. It doesn't matter what side he was playing on or what his measurables are, the bottom line is that the kid produced throughout his entire career at Mich, and that includes switching schemes.

Mr. Stiller
05-04-2007, 12:25 AM
I certainly don't think Woodley is faster than Derrick Burgess, stronger yes, faster no. I still think he's going to be an upgrade over Haggans though. It doesn't matter what side he was playing on or what his measurables are, the bottom line is that the kid produced throughout his entire career at Mich, and that includes switching schemes.

If we're going to go by 40 times (Which this board seems to say "Player X can't play OLB because he ran a 4.77 40'")

Derrick Burgess Ran at the Combine:

40yd: 4.92
20yd: 2.89
10yd: 1.73
Bench: 26 reps
Cone: 7.85s

LaMarr Woodley:

40yd: 4.74
20yd: 2.72
10yd: 1.65
Bench: 29 reps
20ydSS: 4.42

Woodley is faster than Burgess.

Our LB Coach has said that Michigans old D-Coordinator ran the Pittsburgh 3-4 Scheme... Oh! LaMarr played the LOLB in that scheme... Clark Haggans position, which he's the Heir to.

CDub
05-04-2007, 02:51 AM
I could give a damn about a 40 time, watchin these two players, Burgess is faster off the snap than Woodley and can run around a RT and a RB, what Woodley has over Burgess is the ability to bull rush a RT (Woodley is still above average off the line and can run past most RTs) whereas if the RT gets his hands on Burgess he's screwed.

I view it like this: Timmons gives LeBaeu another toy to move around and find different ways to get him free lanes to the QB, much like Troy, and Woodley will play much like Haggans, though in the beginning he'll be just a pass rush specialist, but eventually he'll take over and be an upgrade over Haggans.

Mr. Stiller
05-06-2007, 12:27 PM
I could give a damn about a 40 time, watchin these two players, Burgess is faster off the snap than Woodley and can run around a RT and a RB, what Woodley has over Burgess is the ability to bull rush a RT (Woodley is still above average off the line and can run past most RTs) whereas if the RT gets his hands on Burgess he's screwed.

I view it like this: Timmons gives LeBaeu another toy to move around and find different ways to get him free lanes to the QB, much like Troy, and Woodley will play much like Haggans, though in the beginning he'll be just a pass rush specialist, but eventually he'll take over and be an upgrade over Haggans.

Well... technically, Woodley has more of an initial burst.

but I will add this too. Even if the RT locks on, Lamarr has longer arms than Burgess as well, so he could beat the blocks better.

I'm not discrediting Burgess, I'm just giving ideas to what we have.

I agree... Woodley will take over for Haggans and Timmons will take over for Harrison and be used like Polamalu... Not to mention that they'll be pass rushers immediately and ST guys.