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LonghornsLegend
10-24-2006, 05:24 PM
everyone said it was no way in hell he would see the field this season if not for injury, well its beginning to look more and more like he will see the field soon....word broke he may get a shot this past sunday but didnt, and they are starting plummer week 8, now ive heard week 9 he will take over....


i for one didnt think it was possible, but they said shannahan doesnt think he has much of a chance to win a super bowl being at the bottom of the league in passing offense, and plummer has been stinking it up in most passing categories....


now that were here, do you think he will end up being the starter soon, and will he do well when he takes over....

LonghornsLegend
10-24-2006, 05:26 PM
Source: RotoWorld

Jake Plummer helped save Mike Shanahan's post-John Elway career. After missing the playoffs three times in four seasons, the Mastermind was desperate for a quarterback who he could win with. For all of Plummer's faults, winning in the regular season hasn't been a problem. The Broncos have made the playoffs all three seasons under Plummer, including an 18-4 mark since the start of 2005.

Shanahan partially owns his bullet-proof job security to Plummer, and that's why he's waited this long. That's why Plummer will get at least one more shot, against the Colts, to save his job.

Shanahan let it be known after Week 2 that Plummer would only be removed if he "implodes or gets hurt." After four more starts, Plummers' statistics look like an implosion. He's 32nd in the league in yards-per-attempt, barely ahead of rookies Vince Young, Bruce Gradkowski, and another veteran coach-killer, Steve McNair. The Broncos are 31st in the league in points scored. Mike Shanahan has never coached a team outside the top 18. By Monday's press conference, Shanahan would only say that Plummer was his quarterback – for this week.

It's pretty rare that a Super Bowl contender removes their starting quarterback for a rookie in the middle of a season. Perhaps Shanahan knows, better than anyone, his team has no chance to make the big game with Jake Plummer playing like this.

Jay Cutler, Broncos - The legend of Jay Cutler was created sometime between NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock's first fawning report and the widely circulated news that the Vanderbilt grad was the number one player on Denver's entire board. A boffo preseason did nothing to diminish Cutler's rising star. He is Denver's 2007 starting quarterback.

I think he'll be Denver's quarterback by Week 9 because Plummer has shown no ability to snap out of his 2006 funk. Shanahan can't tolerate a 52.1% completion percentage much longer.

slightlyaraiderfan
10-24-2006, 05:27 PM
Cutler can't start, Plummer is going to take them to the Super Bowl!!! woo

Basileus777
10-24-2006, 05:40 PM
Cutler should be starting, but Plummer won't be benched unless the Broncos start losing games.

Staubach12
10-24-2006, 05:40 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

manning18
10-24-2006, 05:42 PM
I think he could play better than Plummer is right now but I don't think they should risk it and I really doubt they put him in.

Basileus777
10-24-2006, 05:50 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

That sounds about right and thats exactly why they should start him. Plummer is just terrible with the exception of a few plays. Only the Raiders have scored less points than the Broncos, and most of that is on Plummer. The Broncos won't win a Superbowl with the 31st scoring offense, even with that excellent defense. At this point Cutler can't do much worse than Plummer. Plummer is playing like a rookie without the upside or talent that Cutler has.

Shiver
10-24-2006, 05:56 PM
Like the Arizona and Tennessee situations, there is no way Jay Cutler could be any worse. Plus he'd have a very favorable situation to succeed in.

10-24-2006, 06:01 PM
Like the Arizona and Tennessee situations, there is no way Jay Cutler could be any worse. Plus he'd have a very favorable situation to succeed in.

I concur. And IMO he has a better setup on offense than Leinart. aka running game.

soybean
10-24-2006, 06:16 PM
Like the Arizona and Tennessee situations, there is no way Jay Cutler could be any worse. Plus he'd have a very favorable situation to succeed in.

of course, but the broncos have something to play for and something to lose too. cardinals and titans have nothing to lose but so much to gain.

Shiver
10-24-2006, 06:18 PM
Jake Plummer is going to keep their team from a Super Bowl, plain and simple. The Broncos are destined to a great regular season record, and quit and abrupt exit in the playoffs.

Namy
10-24-2006, 06:33 PM
IMO Cutler >>> Plummer even now. Even tho it was presseason, his passing ability and mainly POISE was phenomenal. However, Shannahan will not remove him until we start losing. The media likes to brew up QB controversies, but this is not one of em... at least not til Plummer actually loses game b/c of his passing incompetence.

njx9
10-24-2006, 06:48 PM
there is ZERO chance cutler will start until denver literally loses games because of their offense.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4539450

Shanahan said Monday he did not talk to the ESPN reporter last week.

or maybe

Shana- han said at his news briefing Monday. "I'm not going to tell you if it was offensive guard, defensive tackle....I will tell you this - Jake Plummer will be our quarterback against Indy."

whatever anyone thinks of plummer's lack of ability (and anyone who's been here for more than 6 months knows i hate plummer), he'll be the starter until shanahan believes we're losing games because of him. that's not happening so far and looks unlikely to start anytime soon.

Shiver
10-24-2006, 07:18 PM
It's not going to happen, but it should.

smittyjs
10-24-2006, 07:35 PM
Cutler should be starting

M.O.T.H.
10-24-2006, 07:45 PM
Cutler should not be starting, last time I checked the Broncos were 5-1. Regardless of Plummer's numbers, you do not mess with success.

Shiver
10-24-2006, 07:48 PM
I think the same argument was made regarding the Bears last year. :roll:


"they should stick with Orton!"

njx9
10-24-2006, 07:49 PM
Cutler should not be starting, last time I checked the Broncos were 5-1. Regardless of Plummer's numbers, you do not mess with success.

that's ridiculous. NONE of that has to do with plummer. he has made us a WORSE team. i don't care if you're 16-0, if a part of the team is awful and really couldn't get much worse, you replace it. anyone who thinks this denver team could compete in the playoffs right now is kidding themselves and it all start with jake.

M.O.T.H.
10-24-2006, 07:54 PM
Cutler should not be starting, last time I checked the Broncos were 5-1. Regardless of Plummer's numbers, you do not mess with success.

that's ridiculous. NONE of that has to do with plummer. he has made us a WORSE team. i don't care if you're 16-0, if a part of the team is awful and really couldn't get much worse, you replace it. anyone who thinks this denver team could compete in the playoffs right now is kidding themselves and it all start with jake.

Who cares, if your winning your winning. You pull the plug on Plummer and the season may fall apart, things like this happen in sports all the time. Yes it is very cliche but, it's true, you do not mess with success.

BrownsTown
10-24-2006, 08:03 PM
What are they, 5-1? You don't give up on a season like that by changing your QB. You won't go 5-1 with a rookie QB.

Denver Bronco99
10-24-2006, 08:11 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

BrownsTown
10-24-2006, 08:19 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is more overrated then romo by far

M.O.T.H.
10-24-2006, 08:21 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.

njx9
10-24-2006, 08:56 PM
Cutler should not be starting, last time I checked the Broncos were 5-1. Regardless of Plummer's numbers, you do not mess with success.

that's ridiculous. NONE of that has to do with plummer. he has made us a WORSE team. i don't care if you're 16-0, if a part of the team is awful and really couldn't get much worse, you replace it. anyone who thinks this denver team could compete in the playoffs right now is kidding themselves and it all start with jake.

Who cares, if your winning your winning. You pull the plug on Plummer and the season may fall apart, things like this happen in sports all the time. Yes it is very cliche but, it's true, you do not mess with success.

how does anything on offense get any worse? seriously, we've got the league's worst offense. plummer is so inept, he makes bledsoe look like john elway. NOTHING CAN GET WORSE. no one's messing with the defense which, if you've been paying attention, is the only reason denver's 5-1.

someone tell me how denver could possibly be WORSE on offense with cutler starting. seriously, try. and don't just give me hypothetical nonsense. look at the numbers, then tell me how any quarterback could be worse than plummer.

Denver Bronco99
10-24-2006, 09:04 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.


One romo looked like jake plummer in his debut....Cutler is more talented(1st round pick), and i bet when he starts he will play better then romo

M.O.T.H.
10-24-2006, 09:07 PM
Numbers do not always tell the story, you keep the team the same/intact until he starts actually costing you games, until that happens, you stay the course.

njx9
10-24-2006, 09:09 PM
Numbers do not always tell the story, you keep the team the same/intact until he starts actually costing you games, until that happens, you stay the course.

please watch the broncos/colts this week, then we'll have this discussion again. it's clear you have not yet seen how awful plummer is.

M.O.T.H.
10-24-2006, 09:11 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.


One romo looked like jake plummer in his debut....Cutler is more talented(1st round pick), and i bet when he starts he will play better then romo

Wow, Romo played one lousy half on Monday Night Football in front of millions upon millions.

So, Cutler is more talented than every non-first round pick, QB?
Dont write Romo off so quickly.

M.O.T.H.
10-24-2006, 09:13 PM
Numbers do not always tell the story, you keep the team the same/intact until he starts actually costing you games, until that happens, you stay the course.

please watch the broncos/colts this week, then we'll have this discussion again. it's clear you have not yet seen how awful plummer is.

I understand your frustrations, trust me I do, I'm a cowboys fan. I just dont think it would be wise to make a Qb move. We'll talk again, I'm sure of it.

Staubach12
10-24-2006, 09:14 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.


One romo looked like jake plummer in his debut....Cutler is more talented(1st round pick), and i bet when he starts he will play better then romo

So every 1st round pick is better than all others. Well, that figures with Ryan Leaf being so much better than Tom Brady. :roll: Don't get me wrong, I love Cutler, but we haven't seen him play so don't go off and say he's more talented than anyone for now.

njx9
10-24-2006, 09:20 PM
Numbers do not always tell the story, you keep the team the same/intact until he starts actually costing you games, until that happens, you stay the course.

please watch the broncos/colts this week, then we'll have this discussion again. it's clear you have not yet seen how awful plummer is.

I understand your frustrations, trust me I do, I'm a cowboys fan. I just dont think it would be wise to make a Qb move. We'll talk again, I'm sure of it.

sure, i'll welcome it.

on the same discussion, it does make me wonder if anything would've been different for the 'boys sans Romo yesterday.

Denver Bronco99
10-24-2006, 09:35 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.


One romo looked like jake plummer in his debut....Cutler is more talented(1st round pick), and i bet when he starts he will play better then romo

So every 1st round pick is better than all others. Well, that figures with Ryan Leaf being so much better than Tom Brady. :roll: Don't get me wrong, I love Cutler, but we haven't seen him play so don't go off and say he's more talented than anyone for now.

there is a big difference between being talented and being a good player

some one like Courtney brown had all the talent in the world...but never turned out to be a good player...for w/e reasons...

But he was a 1st rounder becuase he was extremely talented...speed, size, production

some one like leaf...great arm..good size....jut never put it together on the field

nrk
10-24-2006, 09:45 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.


One romo looked like jake plummer in his debut....Cutler is more talented(1st round pick), and i bet when he starts he will play better then romo

So every 1st round pick is better than all others. Well, that figures with Ryan Leaf being so much better than Tom Brady. :roll: Don't get me wrong, I love Cutler, but we haven't seen him play so don't go off and say he's more talented than anyone for now.

there is a big difference between being talented and being a good player

some one like Courtney brown had all the talent in the world...but never turned out to be a good player...for w/e reasons...

But he was a 1st rounder becuase he was extremely talented...speed, size, production

some one like leaf...great arm..good size....jut never put it together on the field

saying someone will do better or are more talented because they got drafted higher is horrible reasoning

BrownsTown
10-24-2006, 09:49 PM
You don't get that Plummer's still winning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Denver Bronco99
10-24-2006, 09:57 PM
If he starts it will be a Romo-like performance. Great with the exception of a few plays.

no offence...but cutler is better then romo by far

How do you know that? Romo played better than Mr. Cutler in the preseason and I dont think Cutler has thrown a single meaningful pass.


One romo looked like jake plummer in his debut....Cutler is more talented(1st round pick), and i bet when he starts he will play better then romo

So every 1st round pick is better than all others. Well, that figures with Ryan Leaf being so much better than Tom Brady. :roll: Don't get me wrong, I love Cutler, but we haven't seen him play so don't go off and say he's more talented than anyone for now.

there is a big difference between being talented and being a good player

some one like Courtney brown had all the talent in the world...but never turned out to be a good player...for w/e reasons...

But he was a 1st rounder becuase he was extremely talented...speed, size, production

some one like leaf...great arm..good size....jut never put it together on the field

saying someone will do better or are more talented because they got drafted higher is horrible reasoning

no its like saying if you drafted a first round WR and he was never really played as your OC doesnt normally start wr rookies..and you are comparing him to a some one else....that 1st round WR is more likely to be more talented...just not a good player yet

njx9
10-24-2006, 09:58 PM
You don't get that Plummer's still winning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

plummer's not winning, he's doing everything he can to lose.

BrownsTown
10-24-2006, 09:59 PM
You don't get that Plummer's still winning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

plummer's not winning, he's doing everything he can to lose.
5-1, looks like he's winning to me. You don't mess with a good thing. You're not winning anything with a rookie QB. You'll probably go one and done if you do.

njx9
10-24-2006, 10:03 PM
You don't get that Plummer's still winning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

plummer's not winning, he's doing everything he can to lose.
5-1, looks like he's winning to me. You don't mess with a good thing. You're not winning anything with a rookie QB. You'll probably go one and done if you do.

when you go to the playoffs every single year, it no longer becomes enough to just go. plummer can't win in the playoffs. if you watched last year, champ won that game. the defense won it. just like every game this year. i know you're a browns fan so you must have watched last week. your defense would've had 6 ints if they hadn't suddenly developed brick-hands. we would've lost had that happened. jake literally threw the ball directly to five seperate browns players and threw into quintuple (yes, quintuple) coverage on two other occasions. that is not a winning quarterback. that's a man lucky to be playing in denver where the defense is the only reason he's not 0-6. one would think that, since jake doesn't play defense, the defense would likely not play worse if cutler were the starter or if van pelt came back or if we traded for tom brady. the only difference would be that we would likely score more than 12 points per game.

draftguru151
10-24-2006, 10:04 PM
Jay should have been starting since the beginning of the year.

smittyjs
10-24-2006, 10:17 PM
Jay should have been starting since the beginning of the year. 8)

Titans10
10-24-2006, 10:54 PM
Plummer remains starting quarterback... for now

DENVER -- Jake Plummer will remain the Denver Broncos
quarterback -- at least for another week.

Mike Shanahan had a chance to quiet the escalating Plummer-Jay
Cutler debate Monday, but didn't exactly give Plummer a ringing
endorsement.

"It's not my job to share with you if I want to make a change
at any position," Shanahan said. "When we do make a decision,
we'll make the decision in the best interest of our organization. I
will tell you this -- Jake Plummer will be our quarterback against
Indy."

Plummer's recent woes has led to speculation that the Cutler era
could be close at hand. Plummer has a passer rating of 60.4, which
ranks 32nd in the league. He's thrown seven interceptions -- the
same number he had all last season -- and just four touchdown
passes.

What's more, the offense is averaging 13.2 points a game, which
is second-to-last in the NFL.

This won't help the offense, either -- left tackle Matt Lepsis is
out for the season after tearing a ligament in his right knee
during the first half of Sunday's game.

While the Broncos aren't sounding the alarms over the offense's
recent struggles, it is an increasing concern, especially with the
defense holding up its end of the deal and keeping teams to just
7.3 points a game.

"I wouldn't say incredibly frustrated, just frustrated,"
Shanahan said of his offense's inability to score.

Before Sunday's game, an ESPN report surfaced that the Broncos
are considering a switch to Cutler, who was taken 11th overall out
of Vanderbilt. Shanahan didn't want to lend credence to the story,
even though the report cited sources within the organization.

"Just because something's in the newspaper or something's on a
so-called channel does not mean that I said it or someone within
the organization said it," Shanahan said. "You've heard so many
different things through the years. If I spoke about every one, I
couldn't get my job done. But we're winning football games. Why
don't we support our quarterback who's winning those games?"

The most popular player in Denver seems to be the backup
quarterback, especially since he looked good in the preseason.
Cutler threw four touchdown passes, only one pick and completed
64.5 percent of his passes against predominantly backup players.

The fact that Plummer is off to a shaky start isn't helping his
cause. However, Plummer doesn't care about what's being said, only
about the Broncos improving as a team.

"We are 5-1," Plummer said Sunday. "We didn't put up all of
the points in the world. At the end of the game, I didn't make some
good decisions. We need to get better there. There is some room for
improvement."

But Plummer may be running out of time to make improvements.
When asked if he's any closer to playing Cutler than he was a month
ago, Shanahan just smirked.

"We're going to play the best football players. We've done that
from day one," Shanahan said.

That didn't exactly put the growing quarterback debate to rest.

"It doesn't put any position to rest," he said. "It's not
just the quarterback position. I wouldn't tell you if it were the
center position, wide receiver position or any position. It's not
my job to share with you if I want to make a change at any
position."

Shanahan said Plummer has earned the right to start, at least
this Sunday against the 6-0 Indianapolis Colts.
"Then I'll get a chance to be on this little program (media
interview) again and we'll talk about the same thing," he said.

Chris
10-24-2006, 11:09 PM
I have backed Plummer until the bloody end. I have made excuses and exceptions for his play. Once his biggest fan, I'm his biggest enemy.

He plays like he has down-syndrome. The true Terry Schiavo of football. Helen Keller reads press coverage better than he does.

Plummer is the suck and I hope we trade his rear end for a 59th round draft pick.

Send him to Iraq.

njx9
10-24-2006, 11:14 PM
I have backed Plummer until the bloody end. I have made excuses and exceptions for his play. Once his biggest fan, I'm his biggest enemy.

He plays like he has down-syndrome. The true Terry Schiavo of football. Helen Keller reads press coverage better than he does.

Plummer is the suck and I hope we trade his rear end for a 59th round draft pick.

Send him to Iraq.

oh come on, you know we can get a 1st, 2nd and 4th in '08 from the redskins for him in the offseason

bearsfan_51
10-24-2006, 11:19 PM
This is very similar to the Kyle Orton situation of last year. ****** ass QB doing just enough to not mess things up for his defense and running game. I called for Grossman then, I would call for Cutler now.

Winning games can be a drug which prevents organizations from continually looking for ways to get better. I'm not sure if Cutler would be better right now, but if he is, then they should make the move, no matter what their record is.

Chris
10-24-2006, 11:22 PM
You'd have to be one hell of an arguer or a Jedi to convince me Cutler can't put up a 60.4 QB rating or better.

bearsfan_51
10-24-2006, 11:24 PM
You'd have to be one hell of an arguer or a Jedi to convince me Cutler can't put up a 60.4 QB rating or better.
Plummer is better than that. Hell he had a 90 something rating last year. He's somewhere in between that. But yeah...if he's still throwing twice as many INT's as TD's a few weeks from now I'd say this is a no-brainer.

Shiver
10-24-2006, 11:25 PM
Matt Leinart out-performed Warner..

Vince Young out-performed Collins..

There is no reason why Jay Cutler wouldn't be better than Plummer. I think, Plummer is put in a situation to succeed, unlike Warner or Collins were, he's just sucked.

njx9
10-24-2006, 11:26 PM
You'd have to be one hell of an arguer or a Jedi to convince me Cutler can't put up a 60.4 QB rating or better.
Plummer is better than that. Hell he had a 90 something rating last year. He's somewhere in between that. But yeah...if he's still throwing twice as many INT's as TD's a few weeks from now I'd say this is a no-brainer.

not this year. he routinley throws into triple coverage or worse, and often makes rookie reads. the worst part? we dumbed down the offense considerably for him. it's painful to watch.

Chris
10-24-2006, 11:27 PM
With four draft picks on the first day, I'm almost convinced the Redskins aren't making the playoffs and we're getting a high third out of that trade, with the receivers there are and what not, I can't wait to see a pick or two to go for getting weapons for Jay.

It'll be scary. Maybe we won't need them, if Marshall progresses and what not, but Cutler had awesome chemistry with Scheffler, has Walker and Marshall (hopefully he pans out).

Get another guy in there, an OT. . . a DL. . . and a S. Not that the DL and S help Cutler on offense, but dayum.

bearsfan_51
10-24-2006, 11:28 PM
Matt Leinart out-performed Warner..

Vince Young out-performed Collins..

There is no reason why Jay Cutler wouldn't be better than Plummer. I think, Plummer is put in a situation to succeed, unlike Warner or Collins were, he's just sucked.
I don't see how Leinart outperformed Warner.

soybean
10-25-2006, 12:09 AM
You don't get that Plummer's still winning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

plummer's not winning, he's doing everything he can to lose.
5-1, looks like he's winning to me. You don't mess with a good thing. You're not winning anything with a rookie QB. You'll probably go one and done if you do.

when you go to the playoffs every single year, it no longer becomes enough to just go. plummer can't win in the playoffs. if you watched last year, champ won that game. the defense won it. just like every game this year. i know you're a browns fan so you must have watched last week. your defense would've had 6 ints if they hadn't suddenly developed brick-hands. we would've lost had that happened. jake literally threw the ball directly to five seperate browns players and threw into quintuple (yes, quintuple) coverage on two other occasions. that is not a winning quarterback. that's a man lucky to be playing in denver where the defense is the only reason he's not 0-6. one would think that, since jake doesn't play defense, the defense would likely not play worse if cutler were the starter or if van pelt came back or if we traded for tom brady. the only difference would be that we would likely score more than 12 points per game.


so you're saying cutler would have brought them to the superbowl if he was the starter?

njx9
10-25-2006, 12:11 AM
You don't get that Plummer's still winning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

plummer's not winning, he's doing everything he can to lose.
5-1, looks like he's winning to me. You don't mess with a good thing. You're not winning anything with a rookie QB. You'll probably go one and done if you do.

when you go to the playoffs every single year, it no longer becomes enough to just go. plummer can't win in the playoffs. if you watched last year, champ won that game. the defense won it. just like every game this year. i know you're a browns fan so you must have watched last week. your defense would've had 6 ints if they hadn't suddenly developed brick-hands. we would've lost had that happened. jake literally threw the ball directly to five seperate browns players and threw into quintuple (yes, quintuple) coverage on two other occasions. that is not a winning quarterback. that's a man lucky to be playing in denver where the defense is the only reason he's not 0-6. one would think that, since jake doesn't play defense, the defense would likely not play worse if cutler were the starter or if van pelt came back or if we traded for tom brady. the only difference would be that we would likely score more than 12 points per game.


so you're saying cutler would have brought them to the superbowl if he was the starter?

i'm saying we certainly wouldn't have been any worse and we absolutely could've been much, much better.

soybean
10-25-2006, 12:18 AM
guys keep in mind that plummer is the one who singlehandedly wooped the 3 time superbowl champs, and sent them home early, as well as this year.

also bearsfan let's not start this arguement again where "leinart had nothing to do with almost beating the bears, they were simple throws crap..."

njx9
10-25-2006, 12:33 AM
nonononono, champ bailey beat the pats.

joke plummer's 18/30 223 1/2 day certainly did not.

Basileus777
10-25-2006, 07:30 AM
I don't think most of you realize just how bad the Broncos offense has been. They have only scored 13 points per game. For some perspective, the Bears last year scored 16 ppg. Only the Raiders have a worse offense than the Broncos. And this has to mbe ostly on Plummer. They are running the ball effectively and Walker is playing like a top WR. Plummer is just making terrible decisions and is inaccurate. Jake is just not a pocket passer, and you can't roll out every single play. The Broncos offense needs to step it up if they want to win the Superbowl. They can't expect their defense to shut down the opponent every single game, especially not with Plummer turning the ball over. Plummer either needs to get his act together or Cutler needs to come in. I have no doubts that Cutler could do better than Plummer at this point as well as provide a spark for a struggling offense.

984 total passing yards
52.1 completion percentage
5.8 ypa
4 TDs
7 INT
60.4 QB rating

That won't cut it. Plummer is far worse than Warner or Bledsoe. He might just be the worst qb in football right now.

bearsfan_51
10-25-2006, 08:00 AM
guys keep in mind that plummer is the one who singlehandedly wooped the 3 time superbowl champs, and sent them home early, as well as this year.

also bearsfan let's not start this arguement again where "leinart had nothing to do with almost beating the bears, they were simple throws crap..."
Don't have to. Look at the stats.

DeathbyStat
10-25-2006, 08:18 AM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.

Staubach12
10-25-2006, 04:45 PM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.

I don't think that'll happen.

Titans10
10-25-2006, 05:09 PM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.

:D I agree, especially if the offense continues to struggle and Jake keeps turning the ball over. Then it will be Cutler time 8)

Namy
10-25-2006, 07:13 PM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.
THat's very well possible. It's sad tho that our team has to lose a string of games for Shannahan to put in the better QB. A lot of people don't think that rookie QBs can succeed in their first year, but keep in mind that Big Ben was incredibly great his rookie yr due to a strong running game, WR corps, and defense (kinda like the current Broncos eh?)...

Furthermore, despite his amazing physical ability, it's been mentioned numerous times in the preseason, but Cutler's poise in the pocket is not like a rookie. It's amazing. Cutler on the field means we'll score at least 10 more pts per game than Plummer leading the offense.

Denver Bronco99
10-25-2006, 09:55 PM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.
THat's very well possible. It's sad tho that our team has to lose a string of games for Shannahan to put in the better QB. A lot of people don't think that rookie QBs can succeed in their first year, but keep in mind that Big Ben was incredibly great his rookie yr due to a strong running game, WR corps, and defense (kinda like the current Broncos eh?)...

Furthermore, despite his amazing physical ability, it's been mentioned numerous times in the preseason, but Cutler's poise in the pocket is not like a rookie. It's amazing. Cutler on the field means we'll score at least 10 more pts per game than Plummer leading the offense.
its not even that i think cutler is more talented...i just think he will actually throw good passes..as his arm is great...plumer not so much

PalmerToCJ
10-25-2006, 09:58 PM
I agree with the "it couldn't get that much worse" thought.

Shiver
10-26-2006, 01:10 AM
Unlike other QBs raise their level of play when competition heats up, Plummer has folded under it.

soybean
10-26-2006, 02:33 AM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.

that wont happen, pittsburgh is done for the year.   Im a bengals fan but truth be told, after a majo r accident, no one is EVER back to their original  self. and i dont think ben has it in him any more,  my fav qb also, palmer.  

someone447
10-26-2006, 03:21 AM
If plummer loses to both pittsburgh and Indy, cutler will be in.

that wont happen, pittsburgh is done for the year.   Im a bengals fan but truth be told, after a majo r accident, no one is EVER back to their original  self. and i dont think ben has it in him any more,  my fav qb also, palmer.  

What?!?!? I can't even read that... Why spend extra time putting a space between letters?

stephenson86
10-26-2006, 05:46 AM
Like the Arizona and Tennessee situations, there is no way Jay Cutler could be any worse. Plus he'd have a very favorable situation to succeed in.

I concur. And IMO he has a better setup on offense than Leinart. aka running game.

arizona just dont have "the edge" anymore.....ill get my coat :oops: