View Full Version : Marty Brodeur...where does he rank all time?
danman253
10-25-2006, 12:51 PM
Marty Brodeur is my favorite player ever. As a goalie He's my idol. However his career seems to be on a downswing. Me and my brother (who is thank god off this site) have had a talk on this. I say he is top 5, he says he isn't.
Is he?
drowe
10-25-2006, 12:53 PM
is your bro off the site for good?
if so, why? banned? left?
danman253
10-25-2006, 12:54 PM
is your bro off the site for good?
if so, why? banned? left?
He left i think.
Stick to the question though.
psub was suspended indefinately for coming back under a new username while he was suspended. If he wants back he can e-mail Scott, but if he doesn't he's gone for good.
And I'm not sure about the question. He is definatley, for sure, top 10. I think he's borderline top 5.
RyanLeaf#1
10-25-2006, 01:00 PM
My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
2) Patrick Roy
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
frogstomp
10-25-2006, 01:00 PM
I'm biased since he has been my favorite goalie since as far back as I can remember. I say he is top 5, or very close.
danman253
10-25-2006, 01:01 PM
My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
2) Patrick Roy
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
I like this list but Hasek is perhaps the most overrated goalie ever IMO. He has awful awful awful form, and he was more lucky than good IMO. Its prolly just that i hate his style of play but i always thought he was overrated.
slightlyaraiderfan
10-25-2006, 01:02 PM
He is no doubt a top 5 goalie of all time, he will end up 2nd on all time wins list.
RyanLeaf#1
10-25-2006, 01:03 PM
My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
2) Patrick Roy
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
I like this list but Hasek is perhaps the most overrated goalie ever IMO. He has awful awful awful form, and he was more lucky than good IMO. Its prolly just that i hate his style of play but i always thought he was overrated.
Well I got to see him alot over the years playing against the Flyers and I mean if you dont like his style thats one thing but he has been a top goalie year after year.
There have been so many greats to play...Terry Sawchuck, Jaques Plante, Ken Dryden, Tony Esposito, Patrick Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Glenn Hall....so hard to pick a definative top five
Jughead10
10-25-2006, 01:22 PM
I'd rank Hasek over Broduer. I'm a Rangers fan, so I may be a little biased, but I am guessing I have seen more Devils games than most on this site. Broduer is easily more overrated than Hasek. It is no wonder that with the rule changes Broduer is on the downswing. He benefitted so many year by the Devils great defensive players and the nuetral zone trap. With the red line being gone and two line pass legal, and offense opening up in general, he isn't the goaltender he once was. Sure goals are going up in general, but that nuetral zone trap, which the Devils perfected, made him seem much much better than he is.
Broduer was still great but I don't think top 5 all time.
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
danman253
10-25-2006, 01:25 PM
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.Tretiak is the best goalie to ever play. Its a shame he never went to the NHL.
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.Tretiak is the best goalie to ever play. Its a shame he never went to the NHL.
Well, I don't know if he's the best, but I do think he's one of the best all-time.
Also, when the best goalie lists are made, people have to keep in mind that guys like Broduer, Roy and Hasek played in a era where goallies wore - and still wear - A LOT more padding.
Goallies also wear helmets not, which wasn't always the case.
Tretiak acctually had a pretty serious face injury once, when he was still wearing just a plastic mask.
roughrider30
10-25-2006, 03:56 PM
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.Tretiak is the best goalie to ever play. Its a shame he never went to the NHL.
Well, I don't know if he's the best, but I do think he's one of the best all-time.
Also, when the best goalie lists are made, people have to keep in mind that guys like Broduer, Roy and Hasek played in a era where goallies wore - and still wear - A LOT more padding.
Goallies also wear helmets not, which wasn't always the case.
Tretiak acctually had a pretty serious face injury once, when he was still wearing just a plastic mask.
Tretiak was an amazing goalie. definately the best goalie in the world during his time.
He wanted to come to the NHL to play, but the Russian goverment didnt let him go.
He actually coaches a goalie camp now that i went to a couple summers ago in Detroit Lakes, MN. Hes kinda crazy :lol:
To get back on topic, I am a Rangers fan and i dont like Brodeur because of this, but i do respect his talent and i do think that he is a top 5 goalie. He probably would have been my favorite goalie if he was on any other team.
SuperMcgee
10-25-2006, 04:20 PM
I was seriosuly just about to start a thread just like this, only based around Dominik Hasek.
Not liking his style is not a reason for tarnishing his status among great goalies. He pulled it off and revolutionized the way some goalies play. Of course he has been a total bltch over his career, but he is a damn good goaltender.
Brodeur
10-25-2006, 04:55 PM
My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
2) Patrick Roy
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
Sawchuk? And obviously I'm a giant Brodeur fan, but I don't know if he's top 5. He's definitely top 7, and when his career is over in a few years he'll be considered.
He is no doubt a top 5 goalie of all time, he will end up 2nd on all time wins list.
Eaglez.Fan
10-25-2006, 06:07 PM
Definatley top 5, I'd say either 3rd or 4th when he retires
Belish
10-25-2006, 07:36 PM
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.
If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.
He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.
If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.
He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
slightlyaraiderfan
10-25-2006, 07:47 PM
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.
If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.
He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
But he lost to a bunch of U.S. college players. :)
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.
If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.
He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
But he lost to a bunch of U.S. college players. :)
Techncally he did not lose...He allowed two goals after one period... then was taken out, which I still question why he was. But the game was tied after one. He is not credit with the loss. Michlin(sp?) gets the loss, so no, he did not lose to a bunch of college kids...in fact, if he stayed in, I think the U.S. may have ended up losing the game...thank god though he was taken out
MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-25-2006, 08:05 PM
I'm a massive Brodeur homer, so I say he's number 1. I just like him so much. After removing my homerism, I'd say he's most likely top 5, he's getting up in years which could have something to do with a "downswing" but keep in mind, he's 1 season removed from back to back Vezinas, and last year won 40 games. He has amazing stamina, and is always near the top of the league in starts. And of course, he's got a shot at the most wins ever for a goalie. And for those of you saying he looked better cuz of the D, he made the D look awful good too, he made so many HUGE saves, especially in the playoffs, when it counts. I think the Ottawa Senators would have a Stanley Cup if not for Brodeur, he came up HUGE in game seven.
roughrider30
10-25-2006, 08:21 PM
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.
If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.
He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
But he lost to a bunch of U.S. college players. :)
Techncally he did not lose...He allowed two goals after one period... then was taken out, which I still question why he was. But the game was tied after one. He is not credit with the loss. Michlin(sp?) gets the loss, so no, he did not lose to a bunch of college kids...in fact, if he stayed in, I think the U.S. may have ended up losing the game...thank god though he was taken out
ya i think so too. i dont think that Tretiak would have let in a couple of the goals that Myshkin let in. its tough to say.
i wasnt alive during the game, but i still to this day dont know why they took him out. but i guess it worked out for us huh. :lol:
Tretiak is top 5 also.
He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.
If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.
He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
The 1972 Summit Series was the first ever....but it was NOT THE LAST!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/canadavsrussia/
1974 Summit Series
The next eight game Summit Series which many Canadians have forgotten about took place two years later. It is worth mentioning because it also involved Canada's best pros from the WHA but not from the NHL. It was a legitimate struggle because of some of the talent on the Canadian bench and the fact that this time they were prepared. The USSR's team was pretty much the same as their 1972 team. Team Canada had hall-of-famers like Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe, Frank Mahovlich, Gerry Cheevers, and yes Paul Henderson. The format was the same as 1972 with four games played in each country. The Russians won this series quite easily outscoring Canada 32-27 in the eight games. They won four, lost one and tied three.
*(Valery Kharlamov, the Soviet's flashy winger, was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. To see the most incredible goal he ever scored be sure to get a copy of game 1 from this series played in Quebec City).
Soviets DESTROYED the Canadians in the 1974 Series.
http://www.geocities.com/canadavsrussia/1981.html
Soviets also beat Canadian pros in the 1981 Canadian Cup. Tretiak was AWESOME in this event, and this also was his 'LAST HURRAH'.
Look, I don't know where exactly Tretiak would rank had he played in the NHL, he has played against NHL talent PLENTY of times, and played great in almost all of those games.
As great as Tretiak was in the 1972 Summit Series, that was acctually one of his worst series against the NHL pros.
In the 1981 Canadian Cup, Tretiak was absolutely AWESOME, and he was considered past his prime then.
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest Tretiak would've been a great goalie in the NHL.
Kharlamov, I believe, would too, have been considered among the greatest players ever had he played in the NHL.
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