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Hines
05-02-2007, 07:34 PM
as this years draft is over wat r some players that we may be lookin at for this year


some players i am lookin at our


glen dorsey dt/de lsu
jonathon goff ilb vandy
early doucet wr lsu


give me some more names that we may be lookin at
or be interested in next year

also if patrick turner came out
would u like him
hes 6-5 220
similar to dj but i think better and faster

mikehop05
05-02-2007, 08:10 PM
also

dre moore nt/de and erin henderson LB from umd

homer picks i know

Mr. Stiller
05-02-2007, 09:42 PM
Hmm

I think Timmons should stay at OLB.


My #1 pick?

Jasper Brinkley, MLB, South Carolina. He's great in coverage and even better at run plugging.


Personally,

I know it's early, but I like this type of draft.

1) Jasper Brinkley, MLB, South Carolina
2) Will Arnold, OG, LSU
3) Gosder Cherilous, LT, Boston College
4) Anthony Morelli, QB, Penn State
5) Jehuu Caulcrick, RB, Michigan State
6) B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College
7)Casper Brinkley, DE/OLB, South Carolina

As you can tell I'm a trenches guy. I think we have plenty of CB's now... Ike, Bryant, DeShea, Madison, Coke and ***.

And as you can see I'm a trenches guy.
If Capizzi can make it to LT, then Gosder will be a monster RT.

Will Arnold isn't as quick as Faneca, but he's got one of the most undeniable mean streaks I've ever seen.

Morelli is a Backup QB with size, quicks, needs some coaching.

Caulcrick is that big bodied RB in case of Mosley/Russell not being the answer.

Raji is a bigger Casey Hampton with a mean streak.

Casper is a quick twitch undersized DE. He'll give us some 3-4/4-3 Depth.

richdg
05-03-2007, 07:59 AM
A very early look, would go like this:
1st Long OT 6-7/315 Michigan
2nd Blake DE/OLB 6-3/250 TCU or Crable OLB 6-5/245 Michigan
3rd Toal ILB/FB 6-2/240 BCU
4th Zbikowski FS 6-0/210 ND
5th Caulcrick RB 6-0/240 MSU or Hillard RB 6-1/230 Montana

The pick up a big WR in FA.
Cuts and potential FA losses by start of 2008 season:
Wilson WR
Washington WR
Okabi C
Faneca G
Starks OT
Clark S
Eason DE
Haggans OLB
Gardocki P
Davenport RB
Batch QB
Simmons G
Townsend CB
Farrior ILB
Major hits coming along the OL and in the LB core. Depth in the secondary will be an issue, and still need a big WR.

skarocksoi
05-03-2007, 08:43 AM
Next year's draft is going to be like last year's in my opinon, because you know one or two of the junior runningbacks are going to come out. There seems to be a ton of guys to look at at every position next year, and thats before the season even starts. You know some unknown guys will just come out of nowhere and lite up the field. I'm pumped. The only guys from PSU who might suprise people this year that I can think of are Morelli and Austin Scott, who played in the Orange Bowl when Hunt went down.

richdg
05-03-2007, 11:17 AM
There are more underclassmen every year. But after this year, that trend might start to reverse itself.
I wish there were more Steeler fans from other parts of the nation, on this forum. Most of us watch the Big Ten, MAC, and Big East. But very few of us know much about players from the South and West. Other than the big name guys.

Mr. Stiller
05-03-2007, 12:04 PM
There are more underclassmen every year. But after this year, that trend might start to reverse itself.
I wish there were more Steeler fans from other parts of the nation, on this forum. Most of us watch the Big Ten, MAC, and Big East. But very few of us know much about players from the South and West. Other than the big name guys.

Which Guys are you looking for.. What position? I'll dig some names to watch out for.

skarocksoi
05-03-2007, 12:04 PM
Yeah a lot of underclassmen really dropped this year, which is suprising because I dont think this class was as talented all around as in previous years. I was saying before that there are a lot of seniors with a lot of potential for next year, plus you will have the juniors that come out as well to bolster the class.

I think theres a couple steelers guys here that are down south and out in big 12 country. I dont know any fans over on the west coast though.

richdg
05-03-2007, 01:00 PM
What areas of need will the Steelers have next year? OL, power RB, big WR, same as this year and were not addressed, DL if we do go 4-3 full time, a young QB, and maybe DB's depending how Taylor, McFadden, Smith, and Colgouglh do this year. Like I said, we have the NE part of the country covered. Breaking it down, we could loose 3 OLmen next year. All 3 are currently starters. Faneca, Simmons, and Starks. Major RED light here. A power back would be a day 1 need, but a big WR would be a day 2 need. I would also add another player to the front 7 on day 1. QB's on day 2 and well as DB's.

PittPete
05-03-2007, 01:03 PM
Since we didn't get Poz this year; let's get Dan Connor next. Would love Jake Long too. Thought he was the best tackle I saw all year.

Mr. Stiller
05-03-2007, 01:25 PM
Some guys from South and West that will be around 2008 (I'll do Eligibles after).

QB:

Colt Brennan, Hawaii
Josh Johnson, San Diego
Paul Smith, Tulsa
Brent Schaeffer, Mississippi
Dennis Dixon, Oregon

RB:

Brandon Ore, Virginia Tech
Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech
Dantrell Savage, Ok State
Ryan Torain, Arizona State
Rafael Little, Kentucky
Yvenson Bernard, Oregon State
Jehuu Caulcrick, Michigan State
Lynell Hamilton, San Diego State
Micah Andrews, Wake Forest

FB:

Owen Schmidt, West Virginia
Peyton Hills, Arkansas
Jacob Hester, LSU
Michael Pitre, UCLA
Mike Cox, Georgia Tech

WR:

Early Doucet, LSU
Limas Sweed, Texas
Adarius Bowman, Ok State
Andre Caldwell, Florida
DJ Hall, Alabama
Dorien Bryant, Purdue
Maurice Purify, Nebraska
Adrian Arrington, Michigan
Marcus Monk, Arkansas
Keenan Burton, Kentucky
Lance Leggett, Miami
Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech
Darius Reynaud, West Virginia
Amarri Jackson, South Florida
De'Cody Fagg, Florida State
Derek Kinder, Pittsburgh (Hines Ward 2 IMO(I Want him!))
Cam Colvin, Oregon
Keith Brown, Alabama
Jabari Arthur, Akron
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
Bruce Hocker, Duquesne
Brian Paysinger, Oregon

TE:

Martin Rucker, Missouri
Jacob Tamme, Kentucky
Kory Sperry, Colorado State
Tom Santi, Virginia
Chris Hopkins, Toledo
Joey Haynos, Maryland (My favorite thus far)
JJ Finley, Oklahoma

OT (My rankings):

Sam Baker, Southern Cal
Jake Long, Michigan
Kirk Barton, Ohio State
Barry Richardson, Clemson
Gosder Cherilous, Boston College
Tony Hills, Texas
Pedro Sosa, Rutgers (Be sweet to add him to our Rutgers Crew (Stapleton/Stephenson)
Brandon Rodd, Arizona State
John Greco, Toledo
King Dunlap, Auburn
Bobby Byrd, Washington State
Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
John Shaw, Penn State
Jeremy Zuttah, Rutgers
Jason Boone, Utah
Tyler Luellen, Missouri
Matt Spanos, USC


OG:

Will Arnold, LSU (Next Faneca IMO)
Jordan Grimes, Purdue
Roy Schuening, Oregon State
Shannon Tevaga, UCLA
Drew Radovich, USC
Andrew Crummey, Maryland

OC:

John Sullivan, Notre dame
Doug Legursky, Marshall
Kory Lichensteiger, Bowling Green


3-4 DE:

Chris Long, Virginia
Kendall Langford, Hampton
Glenn Dorsey, LSU
Frank Okam, Texas
DeMarrio Pressley, NC State
DeMonte Bolden, Tennessee
Dre Moore, Maryland
Andre Fluellen, Florida State
Red Bryant, Texas A&M
Chris Norwell, Illinois
Keilen Dykes, West Virginia
Nick Hayden, Wisconsin


3-4 NT:

Sedrick Ellis, USC
Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
James McClinton, Kansas
Carlton Powell, Virginia Tech
Trevor Laws, Notre Dame
BJ Raji, Boston College

3-4 OLB (DE/OLB's):

Lawrence Jackson, USC
Bruce Davis, UCLA
Chris Ellis, Virginia Tech
Quentin Groves, Auburn
Tommy Blake, TCU
Kenny Iwebema, Iowa
Jeff Schweiger, USC
Dexter Manley II, Oregon
Chris Harrington, Texas A&M
Darrell Robertson, Georgia Tech
Jameel McClain, Syracuse
Tim Jamison, Michigan

3-4 OLB (OLB):

Dan Connor, Penn State
Keith Rivers, USC
Shawn Crable, Michigan
Bo Ruud, Nebraska
Brandon Miller, Georgia
Nick Watkins, Clemson


3-4 ILB (OLB):

Ali Highsmith, LSU
Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech
Brian Toal, Boston College
Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
Robert Killebrew, Texas
Malik Jackson, Louisville
Wesley Woodard, Kentucky

3-4 ILB (MLB):

Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Vince Hall, Virginia Tech
Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
Jeremy Leman, Illinois
Mike Klinkenborg, Iowa
Luke Sanders, LSU
Adam Kadela, Northwestern


CB:

Paul Oliver, Georgia (Could enter Supplemental draft as he will be ineligible to play next season (Academics, .8 GPA))
DeJaun Tribble, Boston College
Antoine Cason, Arizona
Terrell Thomas, USC
Dwight Lowery, San Jose State
Chevis Jackson, LSU
Mike Jenkins, South Florida
Zachary Bowman, Nebraska

FS:

Jonathan Hefney, Tennessee
Darien Williams, Oklahoma
Quintin Demps, UTEP
Jamie Silva, Boston College

SS:

Jamar Adams, Michigan
Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame



Top Juniors:

Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
Nate Longshore, QB, Cal
Bobby Reid, QB, Ok State
Ben Olson, QB, UCLA
Pat White, QB, West Virginia

Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
Jon Stewart, RB, Oregon
Ian Johnson, RB, Boise State
Javorskie Lane, RB, Texas A&M

DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal
Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon
Patrick Turner, WR, USC
Mario Urruttia, WR, Louisville
James Hardy, WR, Indiana
Davone Bess, WR, Hawaii
Derrick Williams, WR, PSU
Deon Butler, WR, PSU
Brian Robiskie, WR, OSU

Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri

Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Alex Boone, OT, OSU
Jared Gaither, OT, Maryland
Lydon Murtha, OT, Nebraska

Jeremy Perry, OG, Oregon State
Cedric Dockery, OG, Texas
Michael Oher, OG, Mississippi

Eric Wood, C, Louisville
Alex Mack, C, California

34DE:
Calais Campbell, Miami
Tyson Jackson, LSU
Fili Moala, USC
Jeff Owens, Georgia

34NT
Roy Miller, Texas
Marlon Favorite, LSU
Myron Pryor, Kentucky

34OLB(DE)
Vernon Gholston, OSU
Brian Orakpo, Texas
Derrick Harvey, Florida
Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin
Mitch King, Iowa
Phillip Merlin, Clemson
Ian Campbell, Kansas State
Antwain Robinson, Arkansas
Rhyan Anderson, Miami
Derek Walker, Illinois
Stryker Sulak, Missouri

34OLB(OLB)

Brian Cushing, USC ( My fav pick)
Erin Henderson, Maryland
Anthony Felder, Cal
John Hale, UCLA


34ILB (OLB)

Geno Hayes, Florida State
Sean Lee, PSU
Steve Davis, Minnesota
Jerod Mayo, Tennessee

34ILB(MLB)

James Laurainitis, OSU
Rey Maualaga, USC
Ronnie Palmer, Arizona
Russell Allen, SDSU

CB:

Justin King, PSU
Aguib Talib, Kansas
Randy Phillips, Miami
Kevin Thomas, USC
Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech


FS:

Courtney Greene, Rutgers
Nic Harris, Oklahoma
Josh Pinkard, USC
Brandon Harrison, Michigan
Anthony Reddick, Miami

SS:

Kenny Phillips, Miami
Michael Hamlin, Clemson
Jamarca Sanford, Mississippi
Carlton Williams, South Florida

Mr. Stiller
05-03-2007, 01:32 PM
What areas of need will the Steelers have next year? OL, power RB, big WR, same as this year and were not addressed, DL if we do go 4-3 full time, a young QB, and maybe DB's depending how Taylor, McFadden, Smith, and Colgouglh do this year. Like I said, we have the NE part of the country covered. Breaking it down, we could loose 3 OLmen next year. All 3 are currently starters. Faneca, Simmons, and Starks. Major RED light here. A power back would be a day 1 need, but a big WR would be a day 2 need. I would also add another player to the front 7 on day 1. QB's on day 2 and well as DB's.

MLB for Farrior (Jasper Brinkley)
LT (Sam Baker/Rich Barton rd 1... Gosder Cherilous/Pedro Sosa after Rd 1)

As for the needs they didn't meet..

4-3 DL? Aaron Smith/Chris Hoke would be the 3 Tech, Casey Hampton and Eason would be the NT...

and we have Keisel, Woodley, Derrick Jones and Ryan McBean(Could be DE/DT).. i think we have a great young DE Rotation.

Power RB... we answered in UDFA.. we have Mosley, Russell and Kuhn.. it could be answered next year.

Jehuu Caulcrick or Alley Broussard.. both day 2 guys.

I don't think we need a "Big" WR... we have Fowler(Who will likely make the team) at 6'3

I would like a guy that could take Hines #1 spot as a possession, fearless receiver... but lets see how they do this year and how the young guys progress before you say that we didn't address things right.

I think MLB and LT are the only things we'll need next year as Farrior will likely retire soon, and Marvel won't get a 3rd contract.

richdg
05-03-2007, 01:39 PM
Let's start to break it down a little. We will need a T, and it most likely should be a 1st or 2nd round pick. Starks will be gone, Essex is a fat boob, and I think Colon is better suited for G. Long or Baker are the 2 top choices. Baker is better as a pass blocker, more of a true LT. Long is bigger, stronger, and more of a RT. Compare Long to a bigger stronger version of Jon Jensen of the Redskins.
G's. Simmons will be gone. Just not the saem ever sense he developed diabetes. Kemo will fill one spot. Faneca will be gone. Those are really big shoes to fill The best G in the NFL. Maybe Colon fills in here? But that depletes the depth. Some time a G will have to be taken, day2.
Big WR. The only WR on the roster over 6-0 is Washington. A number 4 at best. Ward is still our 1, Holmes is the 2, Reid and Washington are the 4 &5. We need a 3. We have planty of small quick, fast WR. We need some size. Some where between 3rd and 5th round sounds about right.
Big RB. We needed one this year, we will really need one next year. But this is a 10-15 carries a game guy. Not a position to spend to high of a pick on. Again no higher than 3rd, nor lower than the 5th. Some of the best options are Caulcrick of MSU, Hillard (really like him, if he is fully recovered), and Kyle Bell RB CSU.
Need a young QB to come in as a 3rd. Ben and Batch are fine in the top 2 spots. But Batch is down to his last 2-4 years. Time to start grooming the next QB. Day 2 pick.
DB's. We may or may not need to pick some plyers here. It all depends on health and how our players rebound. Could be any round. It all depends on performence.

richdg
05-03-2007, 01:43 PM
Without starting another raging debate, I don't count on any rookie, UDFA, or bargin bin FA untill they produce. Eason, Woodley, Jones, McBean, have done nothing to show that they can be productive players. Maybe they will. But as of today, we do not know.

Mr. Stiller
05-04-2007, 12:08 AM
Let's start to break it down a little. We will need a T, and it most likely should be a 1st or 2nd round pick. Starks will be gone, Essex is a fat boob, and I think Colon is better suited for G. Long or Baker are the 2 top choices. Baker is better as a pass blocker, more of a true LT. Long is bigger, stronger, and more of a RT. Compare Long to a bigger stronger version of Jon Jensen of the Redskins.

I agree, but don't forget next year is a very very very Strong year for OL.. I wouldn't mind a Gosder Cherilous/Pedro Sosa pick in rd 2-3.

I Would love Baker, but I don't see us picking top 10. As for Long... I don't think we'll need a rd 1 RT. We got Jason Capizzi. If he's a career RT, then draft Barton, Sosa/Cherilous. If he's the heir apparent to LT, then still draft Sosa/Cherilous. That will solidify our Bookends for a decade.


G's. Simmons will be gone. Just not the saem ever sense he developed diabetes. Kemo will fill one spot. Faneca will be gone. Those are really big shoes to fill The best G in the NFL. Maybe Colon fills in here? But that depletes the depth. Some time a G will have to be taken, day2.

Simmons isn't even in the running for G this year.. Kemo can develop at one spot. I still think Faneca gets resigned. At that point... You have Mahan, Kemo, Stephenson, Colon. If Faneca is gone.. Add Will Arnold. I think there won't be a drop off. He's the equivalent in run blocking, but he's a much better pass blocker.

Big WR. The only WR on the roster over 6-0 is Washington. A number 4 at best. Ward is still our 1, Holmes is the 2, Reid and Washington are the 4 &5. We need a 3. We have planty of small quick, fast WR. We need some size. Some where between 3rd and 5th round sounds about right.

What is everyone's fascination with "BIG" Wr's. I wouldn't mind a Rice or Jarrett. However, we still won the superbowl without one. It's not a gerat need. As long as you have 1-2 solid possession receivers and 1-2 burners, and their reliable.. we'll be fine. Don't forget we drafted Baker (6'3 208lbs) and our 2 UDFA's, Eric Fowler and Eric Deslauriers are both 6'3 and over 200lbs as well. I think Fowler will make the roster, he's a beast.

3-5th round "Big WR's" by my pre-season rankings are:

Todd Blythe, Iowa State
Ernie Wheelwright, Minnesota
Amarri Jackson, South Florida
De'Cody Fagg, Florida State

I don't really care for them.. if I had to take a WR for a future behind Ward as a reliable, fearless WR... I'll see how Fowler progresses.. and take Derek Kinder from Pitt. He'll be a Hines Ward Esque player (he did make that monster block for Revis)

Big RB. We needed one this year, we will really need one next year. But this is a 10-15 carries a game guy. Not a position to spend to high of a pick on. Again no higher than 3rd, nor lower than the 5th. Some of the best options are Caulcrick of MSU, Hillard (really like him, if he is fully recovered), and Kyle Bell RB CSU.

Again, we still have to see. Lets see What Russell (Who I remind you outplayed former rd 1 pick Laurence Maroney) and Paul Mosley (6'2 240lb runner with 4.5 40'.) He's a Brandon Jacobs monster.

Need a young QB to come in as a 3rd. Ben and Batch are fine in the top 2 spots. But Batch is down to his last 2-4 years. Time to start grooming the next QB. Day 2 pick.

This I agree with. I'd like to grab Morelli. He's got all the tools, he just needs some coaching... A year on the PS and he should be able to knock out Morelli. Other than that, I hope a ton of Juniors come out.. as the QB group next year is mediocre.

DB's. We may or may not need to pick some plyers here. It all depends on health and how our players rebound. Could be any round. It all depends on performence.


*******. is a Townsend Clone with Better speed/leaping ability. So, when Townsend Leaves... the only thing we may have to add is a backup for Smith at FS (if we don't re-sign Clark). Carter is getting up there. Coaches are still high on Lorello. I wouldn't mind adding Marcus Griffin from Texas later

Mr. Stiller
05-04-2007, 12:16 AM
Without starting another raging debate, I don't count on any rookie, UDFA, or bargin bin FA untill they produce. Eason, Woodley, Jones, McBean, have done nothing to show that they can be productive players. Maybe they will. But as of today, we do not know.

I agree, but the flipside is... you can't say they won't be able to step up.

But for you to say that certain positions are a need when we have an abundance of players at that position (albeit not high picks).

In your opinion Keisel and Aaron Smith wouldn't have been worth the waste because they were day 2 picks. Not to mention Haggans, Foote, Ike...

We have some great players. That weren't day 1 players. Our defensive position coaches are damn good at coaching talent up.

But like I said.. I agree about Tackle because we only got Capizzi and could be losing 3 Tackles the 2008 offseason. By that time they'll know if Capizzi has LT or RT only capability.. meaning where/who we grab for it.

Sam with QB.

The other positions, I prefer to wait until this season plays out a bit before I say we need a 6'10 WR or a 400lb RB

diabsoule
05-04-2007, 12:58 AM
I think the Steelers might go offensive line for their first selection in next year's draft.

mikehop05
05-04-2007, 01:02 AM
i think its too early to tell

and i think we go erin henerson, ILB/OLB from UMD in the first round ;)

Mr. Stiller
05-04-2007, 01:14 AM
i think its too early to tell

and i think we go erin henerson, ILB/OLB from UMD in the first round ;)

I think Henderson is a rd 2-3 guy and he shouldn't come out .. he'll be either #1/#2 LB that year.

I'll go into more depth as the season goes through.

richdg
05-04-2007, 09:30 AM
Stiller, we agree for the most part. But, untill any player produces on the feild, we don't know. There are reasons why guys don't get drafted. To try and count on undrafted players to play major roles on your team is a sign of trouble. I remind you, that 90% of all the players in the NFL are drafted in the first 3 rounds. Look at a guy like Fowler. I know him well. Not as a person, but as a player. GVSU is 6 miles from my house. From a skills stand point is his similier to Henry WR of the Bengels. About 6-3/195 with very good hands and speed. Can he play against NFL caliber CB's? We just don't know. Can he handle the physical game that he will have to face paly after play? We will find out. The difference in the game between DII, D-IAA, D-IA, and the NFL is like day and night for each level.
Every player drafted is a crap shoot, at best. Remember Edwards? All time leading WR out of LaTech? A complete first round bust. Jeremy Staat (who just joined the Arny by the way), had it all. Size, strength, big time producer at ASU, he couldn't handle the NFL linemen. Alonzo Jackson OLB from FSU. Great athlete. 6-4/255 4.5 40. Sounds like the perfect OLB right? Rarelly dressed for games becasue he couldn't make the adjustment to the NFL game. Remeber last year. Everyone was excited about us signing Kudla the DE from OSU. There were a lot of people saying he would be a great OLB. The point is, it is hard enough for high draft picks to make it. About a 50% chance of becoming a bust. The cahnces of a undrafted FA making it are less than 1%. To think that 3,4,5 or more of these UDFA are going to come in and have a positive impact, is just drinking to much cool aid.

terribletowel39
05-04-2007, 12:59 PM
Alley Broussard IF no one looks to be the answer from this draft.

MoMoney717
05-04-2007, 06:40 PM
I like Rey Maualuga ILB USC, and Talib CB Kansas/ King CB PSU

skarocksoi
05-05-2007, 09:11 AM
What about Shawn Crable? Could he fit into a 3-4 ILB?

richdg
05-05-2007, 01:30 PM
Yes he can. In fact if you look at my very early mock, I have him as 1 of 2 options in the 2nd round next year. Blake is 6-3/255 a DE for TCU and Crable 6-5/245 OLB for Michigan. Either one would be a great fit. Crable would be the first option. He plays OLB were Blake would have to be converted.

skarocksoi
05-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Are you talking inside or outside? I would assume we wouldnt try to replace either of our first two draft picks from this past year, so that really only leaves ILB as a need. So could Crable make the transition inside, or is he better suited at OLB. I couldnt tell from your post before which you were talking about. Crable is one of my interesting prospects for next year, even though I hate Michigan.

richdg
05-05-2007, 07:18 PM
I will not hold the Michigan hatred agianst you! Ha ha. I think it has somehting to do with the way Michigan owns PSU?!?! Crable is a OLB. At 6-5, he is to tall to play inside. Haggans will be gone, harrison is also a FA if I am not mistaken. That leaves Woodley and maybe Timmons on the outside. I think Timmons is a better fit insde, but that is just my opinion. Either way, we will need more help on the outside. Woodley is very limited as a OLB. But Crable is not. Crable is able to do everything. Stop teh run, rush the passer, and drop back into coverage. He is very comparable to a young Porter. But faster.

Hines
05-06-2007, 01:11 PM
limas sweed
jamaal charles
and the usc lb who i forgot the last name
the middle linebacker
mangula or somethin

those three i would also like
plus the wisconsin cb jack somethin
i cant spell his last name
haha

Hines
05-06-2007, 01:13 PM
james davis rb clemson
xavier adibi lb v tech (buff him up and move him inside)

Mr. Stiller
05-06-2007, 01:26 PM
limas sweed
jamaal charles
and the usc lb who i forgot the last name
the middle linebacker
mangula or somethin

those three i would also like
plus the wisconsin cb jack somethin
i cant spell his last name
haha

Rey Maualaga. He would be a great 2 Down MLB, a better than David Harris type, but for us to use either the 4-3 or 3-4 we need a complete MLB.. one good in coverage as well.

Hence, Jasper Brinkley..

Jasper Brinkley, Brian Cushing, Gosder Cherilous, John Sullivan and Jack Iweguono would be immaculate... I know because they're all rated higher.

Jack Iweguono will be next years Revis... once everyone realizes how good he is.. Cushing is a 4-3 OLB speed/ability in a 3-4 OLB body/power. Which I don't think we'll grab him unless Timmons goes to ILB...

Brinkley is my Complete MLB.

Cherilous is my LT/RT guy.

Hines
05-06-2007, 01:45 PM
who would u rather have


king
iweguaono
cason
bowman

Hines
05-06-2007, 01:57 PM
or brandon flowers

Hines
05-06-2007, 02:10 PM
damn and i forgot paul oliver
hahha


so outta
oliver
flowers
cason
king
bowman
or iweguono


who would u pick

skarocksoi
05-07-2007, 02:00 AM
I will not hold the Michigan hatred agianst you! Ha ha. I think it has somehting to do with the way Michigan owns PSU?!?! Crable is a OLB. At 6-5, he is to tall to play inside. Haggans will be gone, harrison is also a FA if I am not mistaken. That leaves Woodley and maybe Timmons on the outside. I think Timmons is a better fit insde, but that is just my opinion. Either way, we will need more help on the outside. Woodley is very limited as a OLB. But Crable is not. Crable is able to do everything. Stop teh run, rush the passer, and drop back into coverage. He is very comparable to a young Porter. But faster.

Yeah you do pretty much kick our butts every year. Hopefully that changes this year now that you're defense lost a bunch of guys, but I dont know. At least I get to relish in your defeat in whatever bowl you are in at years end.

But seriously, I really like Crable for some reason and would love to see him as a Steeler. Assuming that Timmons and Woodley are pegged as our future OLB's, would we really need him though? If we could grab him in the 3rd or later, I'd say do it, but I feel he's going to be a second rounder or higher by next years draft. I could see him be a situational guy who comes in depending on what Timmons is doing. I'm pretty excited for the future of this defense. With all these fun toys to play with, LeBeau is gonna have a fun time scheming up some crazy things to do.

My apologies for the rambling. Its 3 AM and I'm a little punch drunk from studying for finals all day. F*** school.

Mr. Stiller
05-07-2007, 09:08 AM
Yeah you do pretty much kick our butts every year. Hopefully that changes this year now that you're defense lost a bunch of guys, but I dont know. At least I get to relish in your defeat in whatever bowl you are in at years end.

But seriously, I really like Crable for some reason and would love to see him as a Steeler. Assuming that Timmons and Woodley are pegged as our future OLB's, would we really need him though? If we could grab him in the 3rd or later, I'd say do it, but I feel he's going to be a second rounder or higher by next years draft. I could see him be a situational guy who comes in depending on what Timmons is doing. I'm pretty excited for the future of this defense. With all these fun toys to play with, LeBeau is gonna have a fun time scheming up some crazy things to do.

My apologies for the rambling. Its 3 AM and I'm a little punch drunk from studying for finals all day. F*** school.

If we get an LB next year... I'm hoping for Brinkley(ILB) or Cushing(OLB).

Rumor has it that Woodley is our next "Kirkland" and he'll be learning Buck Linebacker(Farrior) and be a pass rusher on obvious passing downs.

That means we'll still need and OLB next year and My vote is for Brian Cushing. 6'4 240, runs in a the 4.5 range. Plays 3-4 OLB for USC. He'd be a beast.

richdg
05-07-2007, 01:41 PM
Didn't Cushing leave school? Or am I thinking of another LB from USC.

mikehop05
05-07-2007, 03:15 PM
i am pretty sure cushing is still there

Mr. Stiller
05-08-2007, 01:48 AM
Didn't Cushing leave school? Or am I thinking of another LB from USC.

The Only USC Players that left were Steve Smith, Dwayne Jarrett, Oscar Lua, Ryan Kalil, and Dallas Sartz.

Cushing doesn't have eligibility until 08 and would be an 09 prospect in reality.

Next year...

Sam Baker, John David Booty, Patrick Turner*, Chauncey Washington, Gerald Washington (DE), Chris Barrett (DT), Keith Rivers, Jeff Schweiger, Dale Thompson, Lawrence Jackson, Matt Spanos..

Sedrick Ellis, Fili Maola*, Brian Cushing*, Rey Maualaga*.

so they have a fair amount of talent leaving, next year

richdg
05-08-2007, 08:01 AM
I was thinking of Schweiger. He was rumored to be leaving becasue of a lack of PT/injuries.

richdg
05-08-2007, 08:04 AM
Woodley at ILB? That is a worse idea than him being a OLB. At least at OLB you can hide him as a pass rusher every play. He has no experience standing up. Now he has to learn a new position, new stance, how to cover, and how to read the running game. It will not work. Hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

Mr. Stiller
05-08-2007, 10:58 AM
Woodley at ILB? That is a worse idea than him being a OLB. At least at OLB you can hide him as a pass rusher every play. He has no experience standing up. Now he has to learn a new position, new stance, how to cover, and how to read the running game. It will not work. Hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

...It worked for Levon Kirkland and he was slower than Woodley... Woodley IMO would excel, i've seen plenty of times where he's gone through the RT and RG to blow plays up.

I think he'll stay outside, but they're training him at Buck as well.

Kirkland was a DE at Clemson, but moved to ILB in the pro's. Woodley is that same kind of athlete.

richdg
05-08-2007, 12:31 PM
Kirkland was a 6-1/244 pound OLB at Clemson. He stood up every play. Kirland also ran a sub 4.6 40. What really holds Woodley back is his feet. He is not very agile, and honesty, he is not very instinctive. He only played a 4-3 DE, with his hand on the ground, because that is all he was able to learn. He had no idea on dropping back, filling the hole of a pulling G, how to handle a double team (which is why he disappears so much), taking on a FB. Then there is the issues with getting in the correct lineup, makeing calls, etc....

Mr. Stiller
05-08-2007, 05:16 PM
Kirkland was a 6-1/244 pound OLB at Clemson. He stood up every play. Kirland also ran a sub 4.6 40. What really holds Woodley back is his feet. He is not very agile, and honesty, he is not very instinctive. He only played a 4-3 DE, with his hand on the ground, because that is all he was able to learn. He had no idea on dropping back, filling the hole of a pulling G, how to handle a double team (which is why he disappears so much), taking on a FB. Then there is the issues with getting in the correct lineup, makeing calls, etc....

Well before we keep fighting about what he's being asked, and what you're telling me he can't do, lets wait till we see what he's asked to do on field and how he handles it then.

richdg
05-08-2007, 05:33 PM
Agreed. I just said that on another thread. I hope Woodley is the second coming of Kevin Greene. I just don't see it. But, untill they start to play, we don't know.

terribletowel39
05-09-2007, 02:57 AM
what does everyone think about this big man if none of the guys work out as a RB from this year?? he is listed as 6-0 250 on LSU website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJok-aXKhB8

terribletowel39
05-09-2007, 03:24 PM
anybody??? i'm really interested in him. LSU has had a stacked backfield the whole time he has been there and will have to share time again this year but i think he can be something special.

mikehop05
05-09-2007, 03:33 PM
lol before i even clicked on the link i knew it was alley brussard

i really like him and his running style... one cut, hit the hole, lower the pads, deliver the boom

terribletowel39
05-09-2007, 03:41 PM
yea yea you know i gots to rep my bayou boys. and i totally agree i love his running style. very big guy with good balance, does not go down even if the defender is running full speed and slams into him. delivers a powerful punch when he slams into defenders. and it seems like we are getting rid of the one LSU alumni we have on the roster next year, so we need to bring another one in. i know Stiller likes the G. but there is nothing wrong with 2 dudes on the roster from LSU.

Hines
05-09-2007, 10:17 PM
noone answerd my question =(

Mr. Stiller
05-10-2007, 12:32 AM
yea yea you know i gots to rep my bayou boys. and i totally agree i love his running style. very big guy with good balance, does not go down even if the defender is running full speed and slams into him. delivers a powerful punch when he slams into defenders. and it seems like we are getting rid of the one LSU alumni we have on the roster next year, so we need to bring another one in. i know Stiller likes the G. but there is nothing wrong with 2 dudes on the roster from LSU.

I'm a big big fan of Alley Broussard.. if he gets back to his 235-240Lb range and regains his pre-knee injury speed.

I actually saw him as the next coming of Jamal Lewis without the attitude. Right now he's buried..

However, right now (I Know a bit pre-mature), he's holding a UDFA ranking (Needs a big season).

He's one of the guys I'd be pimping for UDFA or 7th round pick next year.. I wouldn't even mind getting him AND Jehuu Caulcrick.

I mean, that is if only... MY dream doesn't come true... Next Year Gary Russell shows he's going to be a monster #2.. and we get to draft Jon Stewart, Oregon in round 3.

Jon Stewart(Alley Broussard), Gary Russell, and Willie Parker would be a monstrous young and talented Trio of RB's. Russell, Stewart are excellent receivers and are damn near impossible to bring down.. Parker is elusive and just way way to fast..

Mr. Stiller
05-10-2007, 12:32 AM
noone answerd my question =(

Out of those guys.. I'd take Justin King.

mikehop05
05-10-2007, 01:03 AM
yea king def

Hines
05-13-2007, 10:56 AM
why king.


outta those id take paul oliver because he was in the sec which is the best conference in college football and he shut down calvin johnson which is very hard to do

skarocksoi
05-13-2007, 11:46 AM
King needs to play better this season. He's got the speed and physical ability to be a great corner, but he neeeds to really develop his coverage skills and tackling. He got run over several times last year, but it was his first full year at CB and he did show some bright spots. He pretty much shut down Ginn Jr when we played Ohio State, so with some more time he could be a great player.

Mr. Stiller
05-13-2007, 10:58 PM
why king.


outta those id take paul oliver because he was in the sec which is the best conference in college football and he shut down calvin johnson which is very hard to do

With Reggie Ball as a QB, if you have a decent pass rush, you can shut down Calvin Johnson...

Chris Houston did it, Oliver did it..

I'll take offense to SEC Being the best conference.. I don't believe it.. Is it a talented conference? Yes, is it the best? Thats objective.

Big 10 is pretty damn good, Pac-10 is solid.

When your looking at NFL Standards.. lets do it this way.. What conference provided the most 1st round talent?


ACC: 6 players in round 1, 2 top 5 Selections
SEC: 10 Players in round 1, 1 top 5 selection
B10: 7 Players in round 1, 2 top 5 selections
B12: 4 Players in round 1
BEA: 2 Players in round 1
P10: 1 Player in round 1
IND: 1 Player in round 1
MAC: 1 Player in round 1

Now, SEC is good, and they provide a lot of talent, but I'll say this.. I think Big10 OL are better than most SEC OL.. and Perhaps thats why the DLineman in the draft tend to come from the SEC.

But Here's something..

John Talley of Duke held Calvin Johnson to 28 yards and 2 receptions and he was a UDFA.

And don't forget, Oliver is a kid with a .8 GPA.. so, either he's lazy in the classroom (Film-room, study habits), or he's just not there mentally (Digest the playbook, play recognition).

I think Having Charles Johnson and Quentin Moses helped a lot.


Although i'm not discrediting Oliver, he did well and is a solid player, but holding 1 player doesn't mean squat.. Look at Revis... Revis shut down EVERYONE... Oliver didn't though I believe he has that capability I think he needed another season and he's likely going to be a Supplemental draft player and he could be great, very average or bust.

King has been a beast since he was a freshman, the team didn't have a good season, but as a junior next year I expect great things and I think he's top of the 2009 class right now.