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Gay Ork Wang
01-03-2008, 03:29 PM
Really offtopic but funny:

i laughed pretty hard, dunno about u guys:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1779713

brat316
01-03-2008, 04:03 PM
aahhaha that was great,


how about us signing to random FA guys for the o-line wow are we going to loose this one. Unless some how out of a mircale we are just able to pound the rock, and run most of the game

mikehop05
01-03-2008, 04:32 PM
Really offtopic but funny:

i laughed pretty hard, dunno about u guys:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1779713

hahah hilarious

mikehop05
01-03-2008, 04:33 PM
aahhaha that was great,


how about us signing to random FA guys for the o-line wow are we going to loose this one. Unless some how out of a mircale we are just able to pound the rock, and run most of the game

well we signed a guy who we got originally asa UFA in Capizzi, who will most likely be our 3rd LT for the game..

and the other guy we got was just for depth on the PS

doesn't mean much really

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2008, 08:35 PM
In other news..

Capizzi will likely be the #3 LT, though I have to think they should play him with a TE over Faneca there.

Ike Taylor left practice today with a fever of 104.2.

Watching the VT Game...

Reesing will be a Flutie like QB.

VT WR's suck... Badly.

Brandon Ore remembered how to run the ball. and the DL is not getting much pressure.

Hines
01-03-2008, 08:37 PM
Its not like VA Tech has a good quarterback or anything.

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2008, 09:27 PM
Its not like VA Tech has a good quarterback or anything.

I think Sean Glennon is decent. He had balls placed perfectly and they dropped them..

That defense is getting hot.

Carlton powell Just owned Reesing with the Harrison-plex.

SteelCityNightmare
01-04-2008, 12:21 AM
Really offtopic but funny:

i laughed pretty hard, dunno about u guys:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1779713

damn that thing got a deep dicking.

Gay Ork Wang
01-05-2008, 12:29 PM
I thought it belongs in here rather than in the Browns Thread :D

Jakey
01-05-2008, 12:32 PM
I thought it belongs in here rather than in the Browns Thread :D

No...post it in the Browns thread!!! :D

Gay Ork Wang
01-05-2008, 12:54 PM
i gonna have a red Rep after that....kinda like Travis24 sth

Jakey
01-05-2008, 01:36 PM
I was looking back over some of last years mock drafts, and i saw quite a few of you pesky posters werent too high on Lamarr Woodley :eek: (mainly due to his poor performance at the combine, due to injury). So i wondered if you opinions have changed now...i think he can be a dominant OLB, and he is a big upgrade over Clark Haggans. I usually agree with most things Mr. Stiller posts, but i did disagree about his opinions of Woodley. What are your opinions of him now? And how good do you thinke he can be??? Thanks fellas'

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 02:19 PM
I was looking back over some of last years mock drafts, and i saw quite a few of you pesky posters werent too high on Lamarr Woodley :eek: (mainly due to his poor performance at the combine, due to injury). So i wondered if you opinions have changed now...i think he can be a dominant OLB, and he is a big upgrade over Clark Haggans. I usually agree with most things Mr. Stiller posts, but i did disagree about his opinions of Woodley. What are your opinions of him now? And how good do you thinke he can be??? Thanks fellas'

oh yeah, but guess who has two thumbs and was high on the kid

this guy (points to himself)

the kid has a motor that never quits and a desire to get to the quarterback... in the limited time he has played this season he has almost always gotten at least some pressure on the QB when he rushes, I can honestly see him having the career close to joey porter's... team him up with a good pass rushed on the other side (james harrison) and allow him to be single teamed and the guy will really excel

steel man
01-05-2008, 07:12 PM
Here We Go Steelers Here We Go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's Go Pittsburgh Let's Go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

steel man
01-05-2008, 07:13 PM
here we go boys. we have to do this.

let's beat these PUSSYcats !!!!!

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 08:47 PM
ben trying to do too much & terrible play calling by arians is whats killing us right now.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 10:41 PM
that phantom hold call on the 2 pt conversion was the end of us.

Hines
01-05-2008, 10:42 PM
that phantom hold call on the 2 pt conversion was the end of us.

Even though there wasnt.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 10:43 PM
Even though there wasnt.

hence the 'phantom'

The Unseen
01-05-2008, 10:47 PM
Great game guys. We always play great games. I believe we play you next year, so until then.

Mr. Stiller
01-05-2008, 10:48 PM
We were ******* hosed.

Holmes Call overturned, some say the same call went the other way.. difference was Holmes had possession.

Mahans Phantom Holding wiping out the 2 points that would have tied it if they got the field goal.

Rewatch Garrards "Great" run. F*ck defense, draft all offense, get an Olympic wrestler, there is no such thing as holding in the NFL. Harrison was held on his back inside shoulder, if he's not held, game over.

steelernation77
01-05-2008, 10:49 PM
I have been a defender of Tomlin all year but that terrible play calling at the end of the game screwed us. Arians needs to go, as well as Ligasheky. Tomlin needs to take greater oversight on the calls. On 3 and 6, that QB sweep was a downright criminal call. Ben did his best to lead the team back, and then to not let him throw the ball was terrible. Jacksonville had plenty of time left to get a field goal, and getting them to take another timeout was really inconsequential. We got WAY too conservative and let the season slip away.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 10:51 PM
We were ******* hosed.

Holmes Call overturned, some say the same call went the other way.. difference was Holmes had possession.

Mahans Phantom Holding wiping out the 2 points that would have tied it if they got the field goal.

Rewatch Garrards "Great" run. F*ck defense, draft all offense, get an Olympic wrestler, there is no such thing as holding in the NFL. Harrison was held on his back inside shoulder, if he's not held, game over.

i usually try not to blame the game on refs but, honestly i thought this qas the worst officiating game against the steelers i have ever seen

/agree

/agree

/agree

also on the late punt by the steelers the BLATANT block in the back on the sideline that wasnt called

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 10:52 PM
I have been a defender of Tomlin all year but that terrible play calling at the end of the game screwed us. Arians needs to go, as well as Ligasheky. Tomlin needs to take greater oversight on the calls. On 3 and 6, that QB sweep was a downright criminal call. Ben did his best to lead the team back, and then to not let him throw the ball was terrible. Jacksonville had plenty of time left to get a field goal, and getting them to take another timeout was really inconsequential. We got WAY too conservative and let the season slip away.

i agree with the crap play call but thats not tomlin faults...

i wouldnt be surprised to see arians let go though, he needs to find a new home as far away from pittsburgh as possible

we played not to lose and it killed us

Hines
01-05-2008, 10:52 PM
I wanna cry.

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:00 PM
I still am in shock. But I guess we have the draft and **** to think of now.

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:00 PM
Tough loss dude's...Arians' playcalling killed us, and Ben trying to do too much...he need to throw the ******* ball away sometimes!

On a positive note...

Woodley played lights out...10 times better than Haggans.
Essex played as good as Marvel Smith played all year.
Great game by the defence (only holding by the Jags could stop them today)...which they didnt get called for!

...thats all i've got to say right now, i'm sure after i've had a think about it tonight, i'll throw out a massive rant tomorrow *sigh*

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:03 PM
On another note...I have a feeling that Hines Ward might have been playing his last game tonight. I wouldnt be suprised to see him retire. If that is the case, a WR is a higher priority in the draft than most might think. We cant have Nate Washington and Cedrick wilson as our 2 and 3.(even as much a s i love Nate...he's not THAT good)

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:08 PM
On another note...I have a feeling that Hines Ward might have been playing his last game tonight. I wouldnt be suprised to see him retire. If that is the case, a WR is a higher priority in the draft than most might think. We cant have Nate Washington and Cedrick wilson as our 2 and 3.(even as much a s i love Nate...he's not THAT good)

He wont retire. He always has that look after a playoff loss.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:09 PM
On another note...I have a feeling that Hines Ward might have been playing his last game tonight. I wouldnt be suprised to see him retire. If that is the case, a WR is a higher priority in the draft than most might think. We cant have Nate Washington and Cedrick wilson as our 2 and 3.(even as much a s i love Nate...he's not THAT good)

wow i think you are completely wrong.

i know hines wasn't all smiley and happy tonight but he had good reason, i honestly think he comes back next year with a chip on his shoulder and plays lights out

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:10 PM
^ i hope so!!!

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:11 PM
Ben-Hines-Santonio-Heath= unstopable next year

skarocksoi
01-05-2008, 11:12 PM
Hines has a good 2 years left in him at least. He might be moved to a lesser role but he's still the same old hines. I'm glad to see Woodley doing well cause Hagans certainly wasn't. Good job to the Jags and I'll be rooting for them next week if they are playing the Pats.

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:16 PM
I am still in shock. Like you have no clue. I am just staring at the score saying WTF under my breath. This has been a bad day. First Deion Walker to ND, now Steelers out of playoffs.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:18 PM
I am still in shock. Like you have no clue. I am just staring at the score saying WTF under my breath. This has been a bad day. First Deion Walker to ND, now Steelers out of playoffs.

i almost wish we woulda got whipped... that way i can not sit here and wonder all the what if's

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:19 PM
I'm pumped up for next season allready!!! :p

Only another 9 months :roll:

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:20 PM
i almost wish we woulda got whipped... that way i can not sit here and wonder all the what if's

If we got killed, I wouldnt of cared. I would be like, great, offseason. Not when we lose like this. We had that ****.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:21 PM
If we got killed, I wouldnt of cared. I would be like, great, offseason. Not when we lose like this. We had that ****.

who wants to go find arians house and light a bag of poo outside his door?

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:22 PM
who wants to go find arians house and light a bag of poo outside his door?

I DO!!! That play call was horrendous.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:22 PM
I'm pumped up for next season allready!!! :p

Only another 9 months :roll:

i figure itll take me AT LEAST a week of drinking before i can get over this

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:22 PM
I've gotta throw out some props to Eazy-T (Tomlin) ... i dont know what he said to them at half-time, but i havnt seen them play with that intensity all season. IMO he needs to do that abit more often...'cus the defence came out and killed it!

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:23 PM
I DO!!! That play call was horrendous.

it seems like he just closes his eyes and picks a play sometimes

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:24 PM
I've gotta throw out some props to Eazy-T (Tomlin) ... i dont know what he said to them at half-time, but i havnt seen them play with that intensity all season. IMO he needs to do that abit more often...'cus the defence came out and killed it!

first off, im feelin the nick name

second, i agree...

also gotta throw some pros to big ben, not many qb's can come back from a 3int half to lead their team the way he did

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:26 PM
first off, im feelin the nick name

haha, ye man...its cus he looks like he was in N.W.A...Eazy-T just suits him :)

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:29 PM
haha, ye man...its cus he looks like he was in N.W.A...Eazy-T just suits him :)

he did look like he was gonna pop some caps in some bitches asses

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:31 PM
I have the perfect way to go with a mock draft. I am not leaking any info though.

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm finding it really dificult to work out what the weak link is in our o-line...in fact scratch that, i'm finding it really hard to see a strong point of the line. We are gettig beat left, right, and centre...but what do we need to address the most???

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:35 PM
I'm finding it really dificult to work out what the weak link is in our o-line...in fact scratch that, i'm finding it really hard to see a strong point of the line. We are gettig beat left, right, and centre...but what do we need to address the most???

We need a tough, nasty son of a *****.

Jakey
01-05-2008, 11:40 PM
We need a tough, nasty son of a *****.

Loadholt seems like a good fit?

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:44 PM
I'm finding it really dificult to work out what the weak link is in our o-line...in fact scratch that, i'm finding it really hard to see a strong point of the line. We are gettig beat left, right, and centre...but what do we need to address the most???

our interior blows

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:45 PM
We need a nasty mother ****** on defense too. Cut Tyrone Carter, cut Willie Reid, and Cut Cedrick Wilson.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:50 PM
We need a nasty mother ****** on defense too. Cut Tyrone Carter, cut Willie Reid, and Cut Cedrick Wilson.

i dont think we should cut carter, hes a solid backup..

i guess willie reid didnt pan out, which is a shame quite honestly

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:53 PM
i dont think we should cut carter, hes a solid backup..

i guess willie reid didnt pan out, which is a shame quite honestly

When you say solid, you mean tackling like a little puss with the game on the line against a 5.9 40 quarterback? He brings nothing. Yes he is decent, but he runs his mouth so much. He isnt that good. Doesnt have good ball skills. Frankly, I would rather have a rookie back there.

mikehop05
01-05-2008, 11:56 PM
id almost rather him score a TD there, and let us have 3 timeouts and 90 secs to score a td

Hines
01-05-2008, 11:59 PM
I would rather have him make the play 15 yards from where he did. That was huge. I never really liked him.

Cut Carter, Wilson, Reid, Rossum

Marvel retires
We resign Fanaca, Starks
Sign Jerome Mathis

Just a little bit of what is including in my mock.

mikehop05
01-06-2008, 12:03 AM
I would rather have him make the play 15 yards from where he did. That was huge. I never really liked him.

Cut Carter, Wilson, Reid, Rossum

Marvel retires
We resign Fanaca, Starks
Sign Jerome Mathis

Just a little bit of what is including in my mock.

id rather not resign faneca

hes been playing like a *****

Hines
01-06-2008, 12:04 AM
id rather not resign faneca

hes been playing like a *****

Hes better then what we have.

Mr. Stiller
01-06-2008, 10:51 AM
I have the perfect way to go with a mock draft. I am not leaking any info though.

Mines better...

Hines
01-06-2008, 11:00 AM
Mines better...

I saw it, its pretty good.

steelersfan27
01-06-2008, 07:35 PM
3 things i have to say. Faneca blows in pass protection. Woodley is a beast. Tyrone Carter cant make an open field tackle to save his life. (2 examples are MJD's touchdown catch and of course Garrard's run.)

mikehop05
01-06-2008, 07:51 PM
3 things i have to say. Faneca blows in pass protection. Woodley is a beast. Tyrone Carter cant make an open field tackle to save his life. (2 examples are MJD's touchdown catch and of course Garrard's run.)

yup, yup, and YUP

SteelCityNightmare
01-07-2008, 11:11 PM
When you say solid, you mean tackling like a little puss with the game on the line against a 5.9 40 quarterback? He brings nothing. Yes he is decent, but he runs his mouth so much. He isnt that good. Doesnt have good ball skills. Frankly, I would rather have a rookie back there.

Sounds like the overpaid Ike Taylor. Especially the ball handling. Im assuming you like him b/c of the sig and what not but he doesn't do it for me. I think Carter stays for a backup role only. I agree he should not be a starter. Most definitely not a starter.

Hines
01-07-2008, 11:14 PM
Sounds like the overpaid Ike Taylor. Especially the ball handling. Im assuming you like him b/c of the sig and what not but he doesn't do it for me. I think Carter stays for a backup role only. I agree he should not be a starter. Most definitely not a starter.

I love Ike. He is a good player. Has ****** hands, but he is a nice cover man, and can tackle.

brat316
01-07-2008, 11:40 PM
Ike and Tyrone belong in the same boat, back ups. If your are a cb, you are suppose to catch the ball when it is thrown right at you, forget the other picks the harder ones, catch the easy ones at least.

TheWood56
01-08-2008, 02:17 AM
Ike and Tyrone belong in the same boat, back ups. If your are a cb, you are suppose to catch the ball when it is thrown right at you, forget the other picks the harder ones, catch the easy ones at least.

Ike actually did catch an easy pick against the Jags. You know the one that Gerrard overthrew by like 10 yards, yeah that one. He made some nice moves also with the ball in his hands. He does have horrible hands though, but he did catch the easy pick. Isn't that what you're asking for? ;)

TheWood56
01-08-2008, 02:25 AM
Tyrone Carter's not necessarily bad, and he can actually tackle, though he's just not athletic enough and way too slow. I'd keep him as a backup though, #4 safety, and I'd also keep Reid as he's really cheap and I'd work with him in the offseason and see how he goes with the other competition in camp, though if he gets beat out fair enough. I also wouldn't have him returning kicks or punts ever again. I'd rather have him focus on playing WR, not being a return specialist, because he's clearly not and tries to do too much with the ball in his hands to prove himself IMO. I'd give him one last chance.

brat316
01-08-2008, 02:50 AM
i would rather have Nate become a better WR, then waste time on Reid. Draft another possesion WR to take over for Hinze. Nate can become a good slot, and Ced is a good 3/4.

terribletowel39
01-08-2008, 09:53 AM
Ike and Tyrone belong in the same boat, back ups. If your are a cb, you are suppose to catch the ball when it is thrown right at you, forget the other picks the harder ones, catch the easy ones at least.
this is bad. just bad. the way Ike has played this year, he in no way should be in the same boat as Carter. Ike Taylor has played lights out all year. he has been in the Top 5-8 of CB's this year. thats like saying Marcus Trufant or Mike McKenzie or Terrence Newman, should be backups. its just not right. and plus you ask for the easy ones, and he makes thoughs. (most of the time) he is a really solid tackler and sticks the to WR's like glue. hasn't he only given up 2 touchdowns this year when it has been man to man?? you can't ask for much better production.

mikehop05
01-08-2008, 12:47 PM
Ike and Tyrone belong in the same boat, back ups. If your are a cb, you are suppose to catch the ball when it is thrown right at you, forget the other picks the harder ones, catch the easy ones at least.

i just have to disagree, most DB's have bad hands, but he is a very good corner...

there is a reason he is on defense... if he had hands he would play receiver

steelersfan27
01-08-2008, 02:15 PM
I love Ike. He is a good player. Has ****** hands, but he is a nice cover man, and can tackle.

thats the reason he a CB not a WR. :D

steelersfan27
01-08-2008, 02:17 PM
my bad. i didnt see mikehop had the same comment as me.

skarocksoi
01-08-2008, 04:53 PM
Here's a new question. Why do people seem to think, or even bring up the notion that Anthony Smith will somehow no longer be a Steeler after this season just because he made a stupid comment that really wasn't even that bad until the media hype machine got their hands on it?

I bring this up because Kornhieser just said it on PTI. Im normally alright with him, but that was just a plain old stupid comment. The kid made a statement he probably shouldnt have, but wasn't that big of a deal, then made some mistakes in the game. He's a second year player in the league who hasn't even started a full season yet, but has shown some real potential. Why on earth would we release him?

terribletowel39
01-08-2008, 05:09 PM
we wouldn't. Kornhieser knows next to nothing when it comes to football. he just likes to run with a story and be, like you said, stupid with it.

Anthony Smith is a promising young safety. he hits like he weighs about 20 lbs more. and is pretty solid reliable in coverage. yes he did get burned for a couple of long plays late in the year but it is to be expected of a guy that hasn't started a full season. with some more coaching and more experience. he will be a good one.

mikehop05
01-08-2008, 06:50 PM
kornhieser is a bum and has a great face / wardrobe for radio

if people of the media actually go by what anothony smith REALLY said then there would be no story

he said pretty much if everyone plays to their ability and they have no mistakes and everything works out then they will win... which is pretty much what everyone feels or says to one capacity or another about every team

but theres no way we release him, i expect to see him starting next year at FS

steelersfan27
01-08-2008, 06:55 PM
smith has great talent and potential. He just needs to be more disciplined and learn not to bite on every play-action. Realeasing him would be just dumb. it will never happen.

steelersfan27
01-08-2008, 07:20 PM
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/14993177/detail.html

Ward is having knee surgery.

skarocksoi
01-08-2008, 07:22 PM
I know that we wont do it, I'm just curious as to why people would even say that. I've heard it a couple times from other places too and it just baffles my mind why anyone would even say it. It's like someone stood up against the almighty pats and now is being excommunicated or something. Drives me nuts.

Anyways, any news on getting rid of someone we dont like, like a certain special teams coach? I'd hope they are setting up interviews or scheduling a press conference or something of that sort.

mikehop05
01-08-2008, 07:44 PM
I know that we wont do it, I'm just curious as to why people would even say that. I've heard it a couple times from other places too and it just baffles my mind why anyone would even say it. It's like someone stood up against the almighty pats and now is being excommunicated or something. Drives me nuts.

Anyways, any news on getting rid of someone we dont like, like a certain special teams coach? I'd hope they are setting up interviews or scheduling a press conference or something of that sort.

yeah from what i hear hes as good as gone

SteelCityNightmare
01-08-2008, 08:04 PM
Ed Bouchette stated numerous times during his latest 1/2 hour chat for the Post Gazette that all the staff will be retained for next year. I hope this is not true. WOuld love to see the special teams coach gone.

mikehop05
01-08-2008, 08:34 PM
Ed Bouchette stated numerous times during his latest 1/2 hour chat for the Post Gazette that all the staff will be retained for next year. I hope this is not true. WOuld love to see the special teams coach gone.

ed bouchette doesn't know ****

skarocksoi
01-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Sometimes he has good info, other times he just spouts stuff off and doesnt really know what he's talking about. I think with the horrible ST play and the fact that in our last game of the season, the one that will sting the most, we had a long kickoff return that lead to a TD and killed our momentum, Tomlin and the front office will have to let Ligashesky go and look for someone new. I liked someones previous idea to bring in the ST coach from Arizona State, but almost anyone else will do.

Mr. Stiller
01-08-2008, 10:43 PM
Ed Bouchette stated numerous times during his latest 1/2 hour chat for the Post Gazette that all the staff will be retained for next year. I hope this is not true. WOuld love to see the special teams coach gone.

Eh,

I think it really takes a year or 2 to get the right guys and get coaches messages across.

I think we need some more hungry guys. We haven't been the same since we lost Keisel and Harrison on every down ST's.

terribletowel39
01-09-2008, 01:03 PM
no stiller he needs to go, he is horrible. **** buying into a coaches methods. he is a piece of dook. and you have been calling for his head for the past 3 months, why the change?? did he show you something the last game we played, where if he would have been any good at his job MJD wouldn't have had a 96 yard KO return??

on another side note, friday i have an appointment to get my first steeler tattoo. been contemplating it for some time now. and finally getting it done. its gonna be a steelers logo with five trophies around it, and yes i will be able to add more when they happen. i'm pretty stoked about it.

mikehop05
01-09-2008, 01:34 PM
no stiller he needs to go, he is horrible. **** buying into a coaches methods. he is a piece of dook. and you have been calling for his head for the past 3 months, why the change?? did he show you something the last game we played, where if he would have been any good at his job MJD wouldn't have had a 96 yard KO return??

on another side note, friday i have an appointment to get my first steeler tattoo. been contemplating it for some time now. and finally getting it done. its gonna be a steelers logo with five trophies around it, and yes i will be able to add more when they happen. i'm pretty stoked about it.

where ya gettin it?

terribletowel39
01-09-2008, 02:06 PM
where ya gettin it?
getting it on my right rib area. it took me a while to find someone that was actually excited to do a STEELERS tattoo down here in cowboy land. but i finally found a guy. he isn't a steelers fan but he ain't a cowboy fan so it works out. haha

mikehop05
01-09-2008, 03:41 PM
getting it on my right rib area. it took me a while to find someone that was actually excited to do a STEELERS tattoo down here in cowboy land. but i finally found a guy. he isn't a steelers fan but he ain't a cowboy fan so it works out. haha

damn man that shits gonna hurt... just make sure he doesn't botch it on you on purpose ;)

mikehop05
01-09-2008, 03:45 PM
http://news.steelers.com/article/86790/

this is why i love our QB, how many other qb's will blame the loss on themselves?

terribletowel39
01-09-2008, 03:52 PM
damn man that shits gonna hurt... just make sure he doesn't botch it on you on purpose ;)
yea it will hurt but i like to think i have a high pain threshold. so hopefully i will be able to sit still for 3 hrs while this guy is scraping a needle across my skin. and i've had the chance to talk to the guy a couple of times now and he seems pretty cool. so i'm sure he won't botch it. the only thing i really care about is that he gets the top yellow, side red, bottom blue. haha

mikehop05
01-09-2008, 04:43 PM
yea it will hurt but i like to think i have a high pain threshold. so hopefully i will be able to sit still for 3 hrs while this guy is scraping a needle across my skin. and i've had the chance to talk to the guy a couple of times now and he seems pretty cool. so i'm sure he won't botch it. the only thing i really care about is that he gets the top yellow, side red, bottom blue. haha

and that he doesnt write texans or something

brat316
01-09-2008, 04:50 PM
How about Ben getting that extension, I think it will be for like either 6 or 7 years. Pay wise i have no idea, maybe like Donovan McNabbs contract.

mikehop05
01-09-2008, 05:31 PM
How about Ben getting that extension, I think it will be for like either 6 or 7 years. Pay wise i have no idea, maybe like Donovan McNabbs contract.

i think this is part of the reason why hines may have some resentment... (in that article saying how you'll never see the words that colon spoke come outa ward's mouth)

ward and faneca came in together, same draft year... their families are friends, those two are good friends... and when it comes down to it we paying our QB and not our LG which is the way it should be

our 25 year old stud QB who isn't even in his prime yet
or the 31 year old LG who kissed his prime away two eyars ago

its a no brainer as to who we should pay, but i am pretty sure thats part of the reason hines isnt one of bens bigger fans

terribletowel39
01-09-2008, 05:37 PM
well i sure hope not, that would make me look a hines with a little less respect, that is 4th grade elementary school girl acting right there. i hope both of them (faneca and ward) understand the business side of football and are capable of acting a little bit more like adults than that.

i love me some ward and think he defines a steeler player through and through but thats a little silly.

Mr. Stiller
01-10-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm looking for an 6-8 year contract resulting in Romo/Bulger like money.

SteelCityNightmare
01-12-2008, 11:24 AM
Regardless, the Steelers are going to have a tough trek in 2008. Have you seen their 2008 opponents yet?

Home
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
San Diego Chargers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants

Away
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
New England Patriots
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins


8 playoff teams and all but two teams (Bal, Cin) that were only a game out of the playoffs? That's going to be a tough trek for the Steelers to repeat as division champs.

Mr. Stiller
01-12-2008, 11:41 AM
Regardless, the Steelers are going to have a tough trek in 2008. Have you seen their 2008 opponents yet?

Home
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
San Diego Chargers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants

Away
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
New England Patriots
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins


8 playoff teams and all but two teams (Bal, Cin) that were only a game out of the playoffs? That's going to be a tough trek for the Steelers to repeat as division champs.

How the Fk do we always get stuck going to NE? Talk about favorable scheduling.

If we win the division again we'll be going to NE in 2009 as well.

steelersfan27
01-12-2008, 11:50 AM
Regardless, the Steelers are going to have a tough trek in 2008. Have you seen their 2008 opponents yet?

Home
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
San Diego Chargers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants

Away
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
New England Patriots
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins


8 playoff teams and all but two teams (Bal, Cin) that were only a game out of the playoffs? That's going to be a tough trek for the Steelers to repeat as division champs.

but you have to remember that the browns, ravens, and bengals play just about the same schedule as well. plus, some of those teams wont be as good as they were this year. we just need to take care of the division.

Mr. Stiller
01-12-2008, 11:52 AM
but you have to remember that the browns, ravens, and bengals play just about the same schedule as well. plus, some of those teams wont be as good as they were this year. we just need to take care of the division.

I find it hard to believe that SD, Tennessee, Houston, Indianapolis or Dallas get worse next year.

It could happen.

It'd be sad but 8-8 could win this division next year.

Hines
01-12-2008, 12:37 PM
I believe we will beat the Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Titans, Chargers, Browns once, Bengals twice, Ravens twice. We could beat hte Texans as well. Thats 11-5, and I would like that.

S4L
01-12-2008, 09:02 PM
but you have to remember that the browns, ravens, and bengals play just about the same schedule as well.

Well, they are playing AFC South and NFC East teams, but I think their flex games are easier than San Diego and New England.

Baltimore plays Oakland and Miami.
Cincinnati plays KC and the Jets.
Cleveland plays Denver and Buffalo.

steelersfan27
01-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Well, they are playing AFC South and NFC East teams, but I think their flex games are easier than San Diego and New England.


hmm.. good point, but i think if we take care of the division all will be well.

steelernation77
01-15-2008, 04:55 PM
we signed billy latsko. I seem to remember him being a pretty versatile guy at UF.

mikehop05
01-15-2008, 08:43 PM
we signed billy latsko. I seem to remember him being a pretty versatile guy at UF.

yeah there will be a lot of guys signed between now and the draft, our roster has to be filled to 80 and with no more nfl europe, that means a more competitive than usual camp

TheWood56
01-16-2008, 08:27 AM
yeah there will be a lot of guys signed between now and the draft, our roster has to be filled to 80 and with no more nfl europe, that means a more competitive than usual camp

Yeah, we'll be signing a heap of camp fodder you could call it. Competition's always a good thing though. :cool:

steel man
01-16-2008, 08:43 AM
this is off the subject , but does anyone here work in the front office or for the Steelers?

Jakey
01-16-2008, 08:51 AM
this is off the subject , but does anyone here work in the front office or for the Steelers?

Haha yeah i wish! :p

steel man
01-16-2008, 09:03 AM
the reason i asked was because one of the guys on here was telling us something about coaching and he said "i was not allowed to say anything until the season was over" and that lead me to think maybe he worked for the team in some aspect and had inside info. also another reason is some of the vets on here know so much about moves before they are even made or even wrote about on the net or in the paper and no one knows more or likes Steelers football than me but i do not here some of these things until i see them on here and i always see them here 1st.

just wondering.

steel man
01-16-2008, 09:06 AM
on a side note:

Jakey is the specs on the guy in your sig real......lol

Jakey
01-16-2008, 09:08 AM
on a side note:

Jakey is the specs on the guy in your sig real......lol

lol no...its a joke really, its because some ppl massivly overrate Jordy Nelson :)

steel man
01-16-2008, 09:25 AM
lol no...its a joke really, its because some ppl massivly overrate Jordy Nelson :)

if the specs was real then we would be pulling a trade that would overshadow the Ricky Williams trade.....trade our all of our picks for the next 5 years to get him ....rigiht? lol

mikehop05
01-16-2008, 12:15 PM
yooo TT that tat is nice as **** man

couple things:
1) i know that hada hurt like a *****
2) how big is it? the angle makes it hard to tell
3) what happens when we get our 6th trophy??
4) how much was it

but that tat is sweet it makes me want to get one

steelernation77
01-16-2008, 12:19 PM
yeah there will be a lot of guys signed between now and the draft, our roster has to be filled to 80 and with no more nfl europe, that means a more competitive than usual camp

I'm aware. I think Latsko might be a guy that actually has a chance. Carey Davis was exactly stellar this year. Latsko could provide the versatility as an H back type that they're looking for. Although I'd rather have Jacob Hester. He's a third cousin of Terry B, we gotta get him.

Jakey
01-16-2008, 12:24 PM
yooo TT that tat is nice as **** man

couple things:
1) i know that hada hurt like a *****
2) how big is it? the angle makes it hard to tell
3) what happens when we get our 6th trophy??
4) how much was it

but that tat is sweet it makes me want to get one

Is that his Tattoo???

terribletowel39
01-16-2008, 12:34 PM
yooo TT that tat is nice as **** man

couple things:
1) i know that hada hurt like a *****
2) how big is it? the angle makes it hard to tell
3) what happens when we get our 6th trophy??
4) how much was it

but that tat is sweet it makes me want to get one
1) it hurt so much you have no idea, i've got a big bruise on my bicep from be biting myself so hard to take some pain away from my ribs.
2)its about 5 and 1/2 to 6 inches long and about 4 and 1/2 to 5 inches wide.
3)i'm not sure yet. i'm sure me and my artist will think of something.
4) it cost $220. 2 hours and 15 minutes of work.

if you are going to get a tat, put it where ya want but let me just forewarn you it hurts like a mother ****. take something before you go. i know i am next time.

steel man
01-16-2008, 12:43 PM
where is a pic of the tat...i would love to see it

mikehop05
01-16-2008, 12:45 PM
1) it hurt so much you have no idea, i've got a big bruise on my bicep from be biting myself so hard to take some pain away from my ribs.
2)its about 5 and 1/2 to 6 inches long and about 4 and 1/2 to 5 inches wide.
3)i'm not sure yet. i'm sure me and my artist will think of something.
4) it cost $220. 2 hours and 15 minutes of work.

if you are going to get a tat, put it where ya want but let me just forewarn you it hurts like a mother ****. take something before you go. i know i am next time.

yeah man i told u the ribs were gonna hurt, other places that hurt are the insides of your arms and triceps

glad to see u took it like a champ though

terribletowel39
01-16-2008, 12:49 PM
yeah man i told u the ribs were gonna hurt, other places that hurt are the insides of your arms and triceps

glad to see u took it like a champ though
haha yea those areas hurt too. suprisingly though my artist says that the place that has hurt him the worse is his stomach but then again its very detailed, he has been doing work on it periodically for the past seven years. haha and there i thought 2 hrs was a long time to wait for the tat to get done.

hey i'm at work. can you throw up a picture of the tat for those that want to see it. if not, its cool.

mikehop05
01-16-2008, 01:28 PM
http://by133w.bay133.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?Action=ScanAttachment&AllowUnsafe=True&AllowUnsafeContentOverride=True&AttachmentIndex=0&AttachmentDepth=0&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&IsMessageSafe=False&MessageCodePage=20127&ReadMessageId=6a870d1f-2022-4d80-ae4e-96550bc3e216&n=2026853657

this should open the picture in a diff window (whatever launches your pics)

i couldnt figure out how to upload a phone to email pic on here, if anyone has any ideas get at me

terribletowel39
01-16-2008, 01:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/cholbsyjess/BKS%20tat/steelersoutline.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/cholbsyjess/BKS%20tat/bloody.jpg

terribletowel39
01-16-2008, 05:33 PM
did those pictures work guys?? i got my friend to do it and i'm at work we don't get pictures here at work.

steel man
01-16-2008, 10:21 PM
yeah dude those pics are up...just now got to look at them....dude that is a great tat and shows a true fan. you also can fit more trophies in there when we won more... congrats man !!!

terribletowel39
01-16-2008, 10:45 PM
yeah dude those pics are up...just now got to look at them....dude that is a great tat and shows a true fan. you also can fit more trophies in there when we won more... congrats man !!!
thanks man. i got now wait atleast another year to put another one in there. haha it will happen though. we have 5 in 40 or so years so i am hoping for atleast another five by the time i "kick the bucket"

steel man
01-17-2008, 10:53 PM
did you guys see where Ben is going to be on American idol.

mikehop05
01-17-2008, 10:55 PM
did you guys see where Ben is going to be on American idol.

hahah yeah

woodley
01-18-2008, 04:57 AM
hahah yeah
Do the Steelers play a 1 or 2 gap 3-4 defense? Did we play more one gap or 2 gap most of the year? Against the Jags in the playoff game?

Meaning Hampton and the Ends - try and get after it - rather than a Belichick and Parcells D where the Dlineman only worry about tying up OLINE line. Rarely will you see Harrison (pats) come in too stop the run.

The Pats D is actually very Vanilla - worried about stopping the big play. Their backers and Dlieman are massive - so Belichick believes he only needs his front 7 to stop the run. Therefore why don't coaches spread em out and make Bruschi and Seau cover?

So why does our Polamalu spend so much time in the box? When he comes in the box - we are forced to play a cover 3. That is why you see Taylor Townsend and BMAC backpeddle - and our FS playing middle field to play deep cover 3. = UNDERNEATH IS ALWAYS OPEN - (RE BRADY BUBBLE SCREENS AND WR' SCREENS) NEVER VERTICAL PASSES.

Coaches have stated that the differences between Belichick and Lebeau's defenses are... we come at the ball carrier (zone blitz) - forward motion Belichick does not zone blitz and that Belichick Linebackers shadow and come more on late blitzes. Why doesn't Lebeau / Tomlin fool offenses by... a LB coming on the blitz then dropping into coverage, SUBSEQUENTLY and a LB dropping into coverage then turning quickly then... coming after the quarterback.
(yes Pol does it but is he the only one?)

I have noticed on our special Teams we have no gunners? Who are they supposed to be? We are too slow to get after the kicks quickly.

Remember this: The Pats traded for Moss and Welker: 2 / 3 / 5th. All their other picks are no longer on the team. They have sold a little future to win it all this season - Lets hope the Chargers do them.

I love the spread offense and so does Arians - why then on goal-line does he make it a 2 TE or 3 TE set? Can he not spread Miller or Spaeth wider?

Is our Offense under Arians too vertical? Brady might throw vertical only 5 times a game?

Make a case for Nate Washington - I don't think he is up to it.

Make a case for Keisel to start at RDE in our 3-4 D. I don't think he is strong enough at the point of attack.

If the steelers were to 'trade' Hampton and play Hoke at NT what would we get for him? 2 Dallas first rounders?

Tomlin wanted Revis. Why did Colbert overrule him?

Cowher wanted Shaun Andrews / Dante Hall instead of BB? Why?

Art Ronney got rid of Cowher. A great move?

Why don't we play more bump and run with our Corners - on everydown?

What would you get for Foote on the trade table?

Speed on Defense is crucial in all aspects of the game. Lebeau must have speed on Defense to play his zone blitzing style?

Why not spread the Pats out on O. Their corners are poor!

Why did Lebeau not learn that to beat Brady you must jam their recievers?

Would you trade for Chad Johnston? What do you give up?

Is Lebeau too agressive on Defense?

Why are people in Pittsburgh in love with the run game? What has it got us?

Why is the spread offense - 3 Wr's - 4 Wr's - 2 Wr's - 3 Tight Ends - (Miller) as a Wide out (slot) a great ploy on Offense?

Why did McBean not play this season? Perfect 1 gap 3-4 lineman.

Brady is a system quartrback? Why does he not throw the ball vertically down the field? Only dumpoffs - bubble screens?

Who in the upcoming draft is the best bump and run corner?

Who in the draft is the best 3-4 RDE (replace Keisel)

Who is the best LT in the draft. Who has played the position in college and does not allow sacks. Has good fett and good technique? Quite quick?

Who is the strongest and quickest C in the draft coming up?

Who in the draft is the best LWR Outside WR. Play on the left (big 6-4 great speed) then Hinze and Miller in the Slot.

Why doesn't Parker act as a recieving threat like Faulk of the Cheats.

Run after the catch is the most important aspect of Offenses these days?

Arians is a great OC - I think he is great. Why not?

Can Jordan Gross play LT?

Belichick solely worries about the passing game. Rarely does Harrison come in the box to stop the run?

Is Polamalu too aggressive?

Big Ben cost the game against the Jags?

The Steelers should draft like this. why why not? Fill in the blanks in positions for me?

RDE = Kendell Langford?

LT = Sam Baker / Chris Williams? e.t.c.

WR

CB

C

FS

Thanks for posting and writing your responses and thoughts. God bless you to those who responded in a lengthy reply.

Our master Dman Lebeau names his all time best QB. Otto Graham.

'Tough - good awareness, not happy feet and actually threw the ball downfield'

Is this a slap on Montana Brady and co?

Lebeau suggested that a QB 'should throw vertically to be mentioned in the all time greats of the league'.

Lebeau also suggested that Manning is a better QB than Brady - and that 'Brady was a system QB much like Montana was'.

Montana and Brady - Lebeau claims 'would much prefer to throw sideways and backways to vertically'.

I agree with him. Watch Brady play never - hardly ever throws it vertically. Watch against San Diego. throws to backs WR screens and the like.

Anybody seen Otto Graham play? Thoughts?

Lebeau showing why he is the master D of his time.

Remember Belichick and Bill Walsh spent a lot of time together before Walsh passed away. Hmmm.

I agree with Lebeau I despise QB's who throw sideways and backwards more than vertical.

Having said that Ben might have to play slightly more Brady / Montanaesque next season to stop throwing pick 6's.

Not much - maybe 3-5 throws sideways / backwards much like Brady and Montana.

Why does Ben want to throw vertically all the time? Brady only throws vertically if Moss is manned up one one one or they need a score quickly.

Montana was the same - prefers to dump it off to throw vertically.

So why don't coaches play bump and run with wideouts and protect sideline screens and force Brady to throw Vertically? Something he hates doing.

With our O Line sucking - why not dump it off a.k.a Marcia to his backs and do more bubble screens and Wr screens. Ben nows he will not have time in the pocket. Willie Parker should kill the run after catch stat.

Run after the catch is critical in today's modern Pass happy NFL.

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: Sorry - one more question.

If an offensive line (in particular a DE or ROLB is blitzing can the LT move a little bit to his left whilst the rest of the line stand as they were before?

The RESULT was inspired by THE GHOSTS OF THE LOSER BILL COWHER himself: Why we lost against the Jags in Wildcard round:

It is real simple: DICK LEBEAU AND

Again we started to run the ball when we did not need to. We moved it perfectly down the field on the first drive by passing. When we started to run – we got into 2 and 3rd and longs. Defenses know it is a pass = Int’s.

We need an Oline who pass blocks. Simple. 62 / 38 pass to run ratio. It is far too easy to stop the run. We need 3-4 new starters on OLINE. PASS BLOCKERS ONLY.

Lebeau – is overrated. Retire him. We need to employ Rob RYAN – not REX. Rob was the OUTSIDE linebackers coach in 2 of NEW England’s SUPERBOWLS.

These players are finished in PITTSburgh:

Haggans, Faneca, Starks, Carter, M. Smith, Keisel, Foote, Farrior, Townsend. All overrated or too old / slow.

Mike Tomlin and Bruce Arians must be given credit. The players left are still ‘Loser Bill Cowher’ players. Weed em out. Get Tomlin’s imprimatur on this side.

Arians has the right idea of how the NFL is moving; the pass. However do not run it for the sake of it. No need. Only gets you in trouble.

When you spread out the opponents Defense – 3 / 4 wides it is much easier for the QB to know who is blitzing.

Mike Tomlin is a winner. I like him – he must be given credit for entering and giving Cowher’s staff one last shot. They had it and ruined it. THIS IS NOW SOLELY MIKE TOMLIN’S JOB.

Woodley, Timmons are going to be beauties. Trust me on that.

Poor Sep – The Punter had to actually save the ST’s by punting short. THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH MUST BE FIRED. SPECIAL TEAMS IS NOT HARD. THIS STILL HAD COWHER’S GHOSTS ON IT.

Cowher left Tomlin with no Oline depth and no Dline depth. Football is played in the trenches.

I would seriously think about trading BIG ben.

IF you could get Trent Edwards + 1 and 2 pick for Ben I would do it in a heart beat.

Do not give BIG BEN – BIG MONEY. WASTE. SPEND ON FREE AGENTS AND OLINE IF NECESSARY – NOT BIG BEN.

THE 3-4 IS FINISHED. OUR 3-4 TEAM ARE OLD AND WORN OUT. FOOTE, HAGGANS, FARRIOR, KEISEL ARE APPAULING Carter / Smith.

I am proud of Tomlin and if you give him ‘his team’ he will excel. If you give Mike 15+ yrs in the Job – he comes home with more than 1 Lombardi trophy.

4-3 Cover 2 is the way to go. YOU NEED TO STOP THE PASS – AND YOU DO IT BY SIMPLY RUSHING 4 PLAYERS. NO MORE NO LESS.

RDE = draft

UT = McBean / keisel / aaron Smith

NT = Hampton / draft

LDE = Woodley / Keisel/

ROLB = Timmons

MLB = draft

LOLB = Harrison

CB 1 = Taylor

CB 2 = BMAC

SS = POL

FS = draft pick. NEED A COVERAGE FS SAFETY / SURE TACKLER. QUICK 4-3 / 4.4 SPEED.

Draft =

1. RDE (either for 3-4 / 4-3 cover 2)
2. OL
3. MLB
4. FS
5. OL
6. UT / DT
7. WR – BIG.

Must spend coin on OLINE and WR’s in FREE AGENCY.



Tomlin, Arians, Oline have copped it. Why not the 'wizard' Lebeau.

He has players falling for playaction when sides don't pass and gameplanning is poor.

In consecutive weeks we have been slaughtered through the air and this week on the ground.

This bloke gets away scot free.

I have been on to this phony for years.

50 years coaching / playing for 1 SB. Says it all really.



Dick Lebeau should be in the Hall of Shame not hall of fame.

Lebeau talks about Hall of Fame snub.

Leblow SHOULD not be with team in 08. He is overrated and useless. He is 72 yrs old, he **** the bed, he pisses his pants and **** his pants in video review - And he often forgets his name, forgets where his clipboard is at times, And finally - forgets where Heinz field is. Often late.

In consecutive weeks and previewing plays to run against Jags and Pats he 'asked Tomlin to tie up his shoes' as he had forgotten how.

Tomlin's response was 'Dick your being a **** - now blow yourself you silly old cunte'.

Lebeau spoke recently with a host of Steeler representatives about his being overlooked in the NFL's hall of Fame.

Dick was actually given the title - but had forgotten how to get to Canton -Ohio. Dick was born there.

I was happy he did not attend:

He should be in the Hall of Shame. To make the HOF you actually have to be half decent.

Dick is useless - like a virgin working in a brothel. Overrated - out of his depth.


ANYONE FOR TAMPA 2 ?... EFEECTIVELY A 4 MAN RUSH BY DLINE AND A COVER 3 BEHIND IT.

FARRIOR TO ALMOST GO AS FAR BACK AS SAFTEIES ON PASS PLAY. COVERING MIDDLE FIELD.

I THINK TOMLIN MUST PLAY HIS TAMPA 2 AGAINST THE Pats**** NEXT TIME AROUND...


WOODLEY LDE / HARRISON / KEISEL RDE. TIMMONS ROLB / FOOTE / HAGGANS LOLB. FARRIOR / TIMMONS MLB.

PROBABLY NEED A RDE IN DRAFT TO MAKE IT WORK.

LEBEAU'S 5 MAN BLITZ (ZONE IS USELESS) AGAINST A QUICK THROWER.

AS YOU SEE A 4 MAN RUSH WAS MAINTAINABLE BY OUR D'S LOFTY STANDARDS.

YOU DON'T BEAT THE CHEATS BY RUSHING MORE THAN 4 - YOU REALLY DON'T. ARE YOU LISTENING LE STINK?

TOMLIN COULD CONVERT OUR BASE 3-4 TO TAMPA 2 without subbing


A base 3-4 D has the 2 middle backers on the SAME level as each other...

All you would have to do is place the middle backer (2) just say FOOTE / TIMMONS 3-5 YARDS CLOSER to the safeties. FARRIOR ON OUR RIGHT SIDE STAYS THE SAME.

When he reads / knows it is pass he drops back the the safeties level... (TAMPA 2)

If he reads run / and it is a run (Anthony Smith ) he tackles the ball carrier.

WHY HASN'T TOMLIN AND LEBEAU DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

IT IS IN ESSENCE THE TAMPA 2 DEFENSE - However it would be better against the run.

If the D line plays 2 gap (WHICH WE DO MOST TIMES) and Harrison IS THE BACKER COMING AFTER THE QB Foote / Timmons plays deeper than the normal MLB 2 does in a base 3-4.

It will stop the INTERMEDIATE ball - safeties do not charge until the ball is over the line of scrimmage AND in a back's hand...

ANTHONY SMITH - FALLS FOR PLAYACTION WHEN Pats**** RUN IT 8 TIMES... STAY DEEP. SAFETIES WILL STAY DEEP ALL GAME.

AN EASY WAY TO STOP PASSING SIDES... AND YOU HAVE BACKERS AND D / LINE ON THE FIELD SO NO-ONE WILL RUN ON US.

AS THE DLINE'S JOB IS TO TIE UP BLOCKERS ANYWAY THE BACKER WHO BLITZES SHOULD COME BASICALLY FREE.

EASY WAY TO FIX THE PROBLEMS WE HAD SUNDAY.

TIMMONS WOULD EXCEL AT THIS SPOT. QUICK / CAN CATCH AND CAN HIT AND STOMP ON BACKS RUNNING THE BALL.

So...

As per normal up front

but MLB'S LINE UP LIKE THIS


Timmons / FOOTE = third level


Farrior. = 2nd level


DLINE. (FIRST LEVEL)



MLB 2 (TIMMONS / FOOTE) 3-5 yards further back of their normal spot at MLB2 (CLOSER TO SAFETIES) FROM FARRIOR.

WITH HAMPTON INSIDE THE RUN UP THE MIDDLE IS AVOIDED ANYWAY.

Simple yet effective.

And oh so easy.

TAMPA 2 MADE EASY. WITHOUT SUBSTITUTING PLAYERS AND THE LIKE... GREAT AGAINST THE NO HUDDLE.
KEY IS TO ONLY RUSH 4 PEOPLE. GENERALLY D / LINE AND ONE BACKER.

ANY ZONE BLITZES (KEIESEL / SMITH) DROPPING IN TO COVERAGE HAS TO HAVE A SIMILAR RESULT. WHERE SOMEONE COVERS THE MIDDLE PART OF THE FIELD A LITTLE MORE THAN USUAL... 6 - 12 YARDS SHOULD DO IT.

Instead of a 25 yard completion it may go for 6-8. BIG DIFFERENCE.

SO IF YOU ARE PLAYING A RUN - ORIENTATED TEAM - BALTILESS - NORMAL 3-4 BASE. MIDDLE BACKERS ON SAME LEVEL.
IF YOU ARE PLAYING COLTS AND Pats**** - PASSING TEAMS - DROP THE MLB2 - Foote and Timmons further back - 5-6 yards. It is effectively the Tampa 2 (ending up the same level as safeties) = cover 3.

However with better run stoppers on the field than a normal Tampa 2, SIDES WILL NOT POWER RUN US like you can do to the colts.

The D / line. Keisel / Smith / McBean could rush just a little more. With the knowledge a run will be supported by Timmons - further back. And a pass will have a cover 2, plus Timmons playing that Tampa 2 'Mike' linebacker role. EFFECTIVELY COVER 3 And or covering the Slot reciever / or third wide out - at a deeper level. E.G WELKER.

IT WORKS. AND IT CONFUSES QB'S NO END.

Am I correct in saying... That Samuel is not a cover corner

That Asante Samuel is not a cover corner.

Asante Samuel is completely a system cornerback. His role is to play deep zone on the right hand side of the field.

The *** Pats**** - effectively have a cover 3 on everyplay.

Samuel - deep zone, the SS and FS all play a 3 deep zone.

If Harrison comes up to stop the run or play on the Tight end then...

Samuel and Hobbs will play deep zone with the free safety (Wilson , ***). Effectively a cover 3 deep.

If you notice Samuel really does not care if you catch a 6-8 yard pass on him - the system (BELICHEAT) only asks him to play deep zone. YOU OFTEN SEE HIM CHEATING - JUMPING A ROUTE AS HE IS DEEPER THAN THE WIDE OUT HE IS GUARDING and can make a play on the ball.
Surely comebacks, outs and in routes should be played against him.

Am I correct or wrong on this fact.

Why can't Ike Taylor play the same way... he is just as quick, and a 8 yard completion is better than a 40 yarder.

Simple yet effective.

Why don't sides play 3 WR'S ON THE RIGHT AND MAKE SAMUEL HARRISON AND THE LOLB ACCOUNTABLE.

Obviously the way the Pats**** defend, they cover deep and the sidelines.

THE MIDDLE IS ENTIRELY OPEN.

MILLER AND SPAETH SHOULD HAVE SHREDDED THEM - IF THEY WERE THROWN THE BALL LAST SUNDAY.

Bookmark this post. Lawrence Timmons will be the best backer

If lined up like this he will be the greatest sack leader of all time.

FS deep. Clark / Smith gets wr3.

Pol = wr 4 (lined up with backers 2nd level. With 1st middle linbacker.

Foote = 5th wr = back. 3rd level just behind 2nd level a little more to his right.

Bmac= 2 Wr.

Ike = wr 1.

Timmons, Woodley, Smith, Haggans, Hampton, Farrior / Foote blitz everydown. Timmons plays just a little wider at ROLB. If a TE is not moved there it is SMITH and Timmons VS LT.

The Corners play 7-8 yards of wide recievers.

You get 7-8 sacks everygame. The quarterback is taken out everygame.

It is the Steelers equivalent of the chuck and duck. But as we have Hampton and Farrior inside no-one runs inisde. As the CB's are 7-8 yards off WR's they stop the outside runs. As Timmons is wider at ROLB no side runs to the left of the line. Accordingly Foote Farrior Woodley and Haggans can line up a little wider in their positions to stop the run to the right.

A great Defense. If the quarterback does get a long one off it gives you time to Carson him = out of the game for good.


Can I be Defensive coordinator. You know you love it.

This is how to get Woodley and Timmons more gametime

On first Down:

RDE - Woodley

NT - Hampton (2 gap scheme) As per normal.

LDE - Haggans

ROLB - Harrison

LOLB - Foote

MLB 1 - Farrior

MLB 2 - Timmons (IN SPACE) until gets more strength.

CB 1 - Taylor

CB 2 - BMac

FS - Clark / Smith

SS - Pol

On second down: replace linebacker with defensive back. Replace Hampton with Smith. (Now nickel)

RDE - Woodley

NT - Smith (More Bull rushing / Stunting / Blitzing than Hampton.

LDE - Haggans

LOLB - Harrison

MLB 1 - Farrior

MLB 2 - Timmons

CB 1 - Taylor

CB 2 - BMac

CB 3 - Townsend

FS - Clark / Smith

SS - Pol


On third down: replace another linebacker with defensive back. Replace Smith with Kiesel. (Now Dime) Farrior gets benched for Timmons.

RDE - Woodley

NT - Keisel (More Bull rushing / Stunting / Blitzing than Hampton.

LDE - Haggans

LOLB - Harrison (Floater) Goes wherever their D line is weak. Blitz or cover area of field.

MLB 1 - Timmons

CB 1 - Taylor

CB 2 - BMac

CB 3 - Townsend

CB 4 - Smith / Clark

FS - Clark / Smith

SS - Pol


This will allow more playmakers on the field. The plan is to play FS and SS deep in a cover 2 scheme. They will clean up the run game.

All corners when they are on the field will cover the WR (everywhere they go - NO ZONE). They get support over the top from the safeties.

With only 1 Dlineman (really) on the line at times it will give Lebeau more ability to Zone blitz the backers and now (Linebackers) at the end spot.
Imagine Haggans and Woodley 'having a zone' the 'other designated blitzers' would have a field day. I love DE's who can cover as well.

You will cover everything and only send 2 or maybe 3 , 4 guys at once. NO MORE.

As we have more speed on the field we will clean up the short passing game. With Hampton / (Smith and Kiesel) on the nose (Keisel on 3rd downs or long yardage situations) we will stop the inside runs. Runs to the outside will be impossible.

Keisel and Smith and even Hampton can drop back into coverage at stages. And Smith and Keisel could QB spy and even run with running backs knowing we have 2 safeties deep.

The Zone blitz here would be amazing. Every guy could drop or rush making the other team having to max protect. Then you can send 2 maybe 3 guys and the rest are covered. And still pressure.

P.S this will work in most situations but would be near on impossible for a team to come back from 1 or more scores down.

The reality with the COLTS and Pats**** not having a 'stud' running back we could limit the passing yards and probably give the back 3 - 3.5 yards a carry.

This scheme makes the running back beat you. They don't against us.

This is great for the cap. Linebackers are less than DE / DT.

I don't know why teams pay over the odds for a DT / DE when they are one dimensional. They don't cover and are shocking against the run.

This would keep the Pats**** / COLTS to 21 to 24 points. Approx 200 yards passing. 85 - 110 on the ground. BECAUSE OF LE STINK

Can we score that against them? YES.

Against the Pats**** / COLTS we must run the football. A.v 3.8 / 4.0 yards a carry. Don't let Belicheat start nickles and Dimes. Pats**** LIKE TO SCORE FIRST. IF WE DO WE CAN WIN THIS FOOTBALL MATCH.

Is Mike Tomlin an X's and O's coach, or more like Cowher - motivator and no-more.

Please tell me it is the former.

WE DO THESE THINGS WE BEAT THE CHEATRIOTS.

That's why LEBLOW failed for me as he had the sole rights of DE's - OLB's for more than 10 years. No other side played the 3-4 for long periods. He should have 3 SB rings. Cowher never realised the Nickel and Dime Defense - be it the 3-3-5 the 2-4-5 1-4-6 can slow down teams.

That's how Belichick defeated the Giants and Rams. If I was coach against the Pats****** (Not regular game - don't give it away) but in the playoffs I would use the 2-4-5 and the 1-4-6 often. At times rush just 3 out of the 2-4-5. Using the LDE on the Tightend. Playing a cover 3. FARRIOR COVERING MIDDLE / WELKER's dumpoffs and bubble screens. MAKE THE BACK BEAT YOU WHICH RARELY EVER DOES TO PITTSBURGH.
WELKER MAKES THE Pats****** GO. YOU MUST HIT HIM,HIT HIM,HIT HIM, SIMILAR TO BELICHICK DID TO MARSHALL FAULK. (Martz and Levy should have run more) but the Pats****** can't against us even if we are in our nickels as we play the run well. I THOUGHT BELICHICK WOULD HAVE CALLED DILLON AS THEY NEED A BACK WHO THREATENS A D. MARONEY DOES NOT AT THIS STAGE. So you can sell out on the pass.
We can Belichick Belichick against the Pats******. Keep possession (use Najeh) more as a power runner against the 3-4 D.

We would need the ball 34 - 36 mins to win it. We can and will I believe come playoffs.

Why? Don't let em get behind you, and smash the WR's all day. Moss is soft, Welker avoids body contact, Stallworth = yuk.


You need to establish the run game, thats how you beat Belichick's teams. Might refer to Mike Shanahan's PLANS against him. = Good success. MUST USE NAJEH MORE. I think Mahan with Kreider's chop blocks can go ok against Wilfork - opening up the middle.

You pick on Hobbs and Bruschi and Seau in the passing game. Miller and Speath will have big games. Need to run it 40 times to win. Pick your spots. When going deep don't go to Eugene Wilson's side. 40 times = 130 - 150 yards will be enough.

Adalius Thomas is a liability in the run game and does not play like a 270 linebacker.

Believe me its do-able and we will win it. IN the cold FOXBORO. MOSS = LIABILITY.

Belichick and Brady are ego's. Loves throwing the ball - both of them. Maroney can't be trusted to carry the load. FUMBLES:

you don't think they would just run Maroney against that D? Did Faulk? Thurman Thomas? Not enough.

Brady's ego will not allow a back to run it 35 times - Corey Dillon is not there anymore. THIS IS BIG TOM BRADY'S TEAM. BEAT EGOMANIAC QB'S BY MAKING THE BACK BEAT YOU. He can't help himself, with 8 in coverage and using different zone blizes - rushing 3-4 he will get flustered. (SAN DIEGO GAME LAST YEAR)

NEW ENGLAND'S CANT AND WON'T BEAT US if they need a back to do it for them.

Will: Moss, Stallworth and Welker like not being thrown the ball. NO.

NOW... i have stated this a while back. WE WILL WIN THIS GAME.

PARKER MUST catch balls out of the back field. Atleast 7-8 catches. Belichick does not respect HB's who can run and catch. Fact.

The Slot NB should be Townsend / Timmons. Covering Welker all game.

The Pats****** RG and RT are poor. Sub in Haggans / Woodley / Timmons even Keisel at LOLB all game.

The two most underrated / important players to the Pats****** O are Welker and Watson.

All Pats****** WR's are scared. HIT HIT HIT ALL GAME. ENSURE THEY DON'T GET BEHIND YOU.

ON O SPREAD THE Pats****** OUT. 3 WR'S 1 TE 1 HB. Make sure you keep Seau and Brushi on coverage. Throw to Parker alot. Make em miss. Throw short / run long.



we win this 24 - 16.


CORRECTION: WITH KREIDER OUT IT MAY BE DAVIS, OR SPREAD EM OUT WITH NO FULLBACK AT ALL.

Willie's catching and YAC and not running is key in this game.

To beat a 3-4 D you need a POWER BACK to break through the 3 D man line and 2 OLB's who obviously are not as strong as Olineman, or should not be. Willie is not a POWERBACK unfortunately. = Davenport.

In this game make Moroney beat you. He won't. Sell out on the pass.




Anyone notice Belicheat's face when the rats only rushed 3 guys. To me it signified you never rush just 3 against the Pats******. BELICHICK'S FACE AND BODY LANGUAGE GAVE THAT AWAY.

I thought when a side is close to your goal line you blitz more as there is less area to cover. It appears Ryan stuffed up. Did opposite to this.

Blitz when side is near goalline / or within 30 yards. Play Coverage at your end of the field?

Rashean Mathis is the best corner in the game. But if we....

Rashean Mathis is the best corner in the game. But if we could get Asomosaga (s.p) from raiders (free agent) next season I wouldn't be complaining. Imagine a true Shutdown corner with Our D. Unstoppable I'll tell ya.

Blueprint To Beat LeBeau Written In 2002 / base 3-4 to Tampa 2 in a flash. By Dagger | December 11, 2007

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=1905


Brett Keisel was quoted after the Steeler game saying that the defense was “surprised that the Pats**** threw the ball as much as they did” and that they expected them to mix run and pass. Huh??? Are you kidding me? Keisel also went on to say that “the gameplan we had coming into the game needs to be thrown into the trash” and that the Steelers weren’t prepared for what the Pats**** did on offense.

Brett Keisel was quoted after the Steeler game saying that the defense was “surprised that the Pats**** threw the ball as much as they did” and that they expected them to mix run and pass. Huh??? Are you kidding me? Keisel also went on to say that “the gameplan we had coming into the game needs to be thrown into the trash” and that the Steelers weren’t prepared for what the Pats**** did on offense. uuuummm yeah. Understatement of the year. But how can this be? Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Your good buddy, Dagger is here to take you back in time with a quick history lesson. Let’s hope this look into the past doesn’t dig up any old ghosts or fall into the hands of any more Offensive Coordinators.

Alrighty….let’s start off with the basics. The Steelers have lost 6 of the last 7 to New England. Wondering why? Well, the Pats**** do what many teams in the NFL are unwilling to do….when they face the Steelers they toss aside conventional wisdom, they often abandon the run, and the attack the Steelers greatest weakness (their pass D). Sure our DLs and LBs are fantastic in the run game. Yes our LBs can blitz and pressure the QB in this complicated defensive scheme, but NO….this defense was not built to stop the spread offense. The spread offense is the Dick LeBeau 3-4 defense’s Kryptonite.

When the Pats**** come out in a 5WR formation at their own one yard line, I think that tells you that they have spotted a weakness in the Steelers defense and they’re hell bent on exploiting it. Screw the running game. Who cares how many times you run the ball? Who says you have to be balanced on offense? If your strength just so happens to be your opponent’s weakness, then you’d be silly not to attack it.

I hate the Pats**** but I LOVE the way they spit in the face of the old-timer “run-run-pass” offensive logic. One week their opponents dictate that they must rely on a passing attack, the next week they give the ball to Maroney all game, the next week Maroney gets 2 carries, etc….I just admire their aggressive nature. (But I hate them) I hope you understand. I guess I respect the fact that they PLAY TO WIN THE GAME by any and all means necessary. There are so many coaches and teams in the NFL that are so ultra-conservative that they almost handicap their own offense. The Steelers sit nearly $10 Million dollars below the NFL salary cap. This past offseason, the Pats**** acquired Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Adalius Thomas, Stallworth, and others. Again, being aggressive and “going for it.” You have to respect that. They build from within just like us, they draft well and all that good stuff, but they compliment their homegrown talent with good acquisitions. While the Pats**** are out acquiring Pro Bowl talent, the Steelers are playing it nice and conservative….picking up Sean Mahan and Cedric Wilson.

To quote myself and a widely-used NHL saying “Safe Is Death” and the Pats**** never, ever, ever play safe.

The Blueprint

The Pats**** invented the offensive blueprint to beat the Steelers way back in week 1 of the 2002 season. Before we get into specifics, let me describe a defense and you tell me how you think you should/could attack it.

OK….so you tell me. How do you attack this defense? Run, Run, Pass? A balanced offense? Play-action? Smashmouth? No. You spread them out and attack in the air.

Week 1 2002— New England opens up the season vs Pittsburgh and Brady goes 29/43 for 294 yards and 3 TDs. Steelers lose.

*very important note here is that in Week 2 of the 2002 season, the Oakland Raiders and Rich Gannon COPY the Pats**** gameplan and come out throwing. Gannon goes 43/64 for 403 yards and 1 TD. Wow. Steelers lose.

2001: Brady/Bledsoe go 22/39 for 217 yards and 1TD. Steelers lose AFC Championship game.

2002: Brady goes 29/43 for 294 yards and 3TDs. Steelers lose.

2004: Brady goes 25/43 for 271 yards and 2TD. Steelers Win.

2004: Brady goes 14/21 for 207 yards and 2TD. Steelers lose AFC Championship game.

2005: Brady goes 31/41 for 372 yards 0TD. Steelers lose.

2007: Brady goes 32/46 for 399 yards and 4TD. Steelers lose.



TOTALS:

The Pats**** have completed 66% of their passes against the Steelers since 2001. The Pats**** have only had a “ton” of offensive weapons at WR for one of those games. It’s not the personnel, it’s the scheme and gameplan that kills the Steelers. This 3-4 scheme CANNOT and WILL NOT beat the Pats**** as currently constructed. The Arizona Cardinals beat the Steelers this year using 4WR and 5WR sets. The Raiders used the blueprint in 2002 and attempted 64 passes in one game against our D! Let’s thank the football gods that so many teams “play not to lose” and play so tight offensively. Let’s also be thankful that some teams can’t find 5 bodies skilled enough to split all of them out wide and use these formations against us.

The Steelers have had 6 or 7 years to come up with a gameplan to beat the Pats**** and their 5WR spread offense and they simply can’t do it. If we see this team again (this year, next year, the year after), then we must come up with a completely different scheme. I don’t care if you drop 10 guys into coverage. I don’t care if you only have one DL on the field, I don’t care if you have 1 LB on the field. Make the Pats**** run the ball. They WANT to pass on you, take away the thing they want to do and make them play to your strength. We’d have a better chance stopping their offense if you put the ball in Maroney’s hands and take it away from Brady.

WHAT IS WORSE...

Actually, the Bengals invented this method of beating the Steelers and LeBeau’s defense in 2001…when the team was coached by…wait for it…

DICK LEBEAU!

This defense is best known as a run-stuffing defense that plays with 4 LBs, gets 0 pressure from the DL. This team has had below average CBs for an entire decade, has “run stopping safeties…not coverage or speedy safeties” and loves to blitz.



TOMLIN COULD CONVERT OUR BASE 3-4 TO TAMPA 2 without subbing [/color]


A base 3-4 D has the 2 middle backers on the SAME level as each other...

All you would have to do is place the middle backer (2) just say FOOTE / TIMMONS 3-5 YARDS CLOSER to the safeties. FARRIOR ON OUR RIGHT SIDE STAYS THE SAME.

When he reads / knows it is pass he drops back the the safeties level... (TAMPA 2)

If he reads run / and it is a run (Anthony Smith ) he tackles the ball carrier.

WHY HASN'T TOMLIN AND LEBEAU DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

IT IS IN ESSENCE THE TAMPA 2 DEFENSE - However it would be better against the run.

If the D line plays 2 gap (WHICH WE DO MOST TIMES) and Harrison IS THE BACKER COMING AFTER THE QB Foote / Timmons plays deeper than the normal MLB 2 does in a base 3-4.

It will stop the INTERMEDIATE ball - safeties do not charge until the ball is over the line of scrimmage AND in a back's hand...

ANTHONY SMITH - FALLS FOR PLAYACTION WHEN Pats**** RUN IT 8 TIMES... STAY DEEP. SAFETIES WILL STAY DEEP ALL GAME.

AN EASY WAY TO STOP PASSING SIDES... AND YOU HAVE BACKERS AND D / LINE ON THE FIELD SO NO-ONE WILL RUN ON US.

AS THE DLINE'S JOB IS TO TIE UP BLOCKERS ANYWAY THE BACKER WHO BLITZES SHOULD COME BASICALLY FREE.

EASY WAY TO FIX THE PROBLEMS WE HAD SUNDAY.

TIMMONS WOULD EXCEL AT THIS SPOT. QUICK / CAN CATCH AND CAN HIT AND STOMP ON BACKS RUNNING THE BALL.

So...

As per normal up front

but MLB'S LINE UP LIKE THIS


Timmons / FOOTE = third level


Farrior. = 2nd level


DLINE. (FIRST LEVEL)



MLB 2 (TIMMONS / FOOTE) 3-5 yards further back of their normal spot at MLB2 (CLOSER TO SAFETIES) FROM FARRIOR.

WITH HAMPTON INSIDE THE RUN UP THE MIDDLE IS AVOIDED ANYWAY.

Simple yet effective.

And oh so easy.

TAMPA 2 MADE EASY. WITHOUT SUBSTITUTING PLAYERS AND THE LIKE... GREAT AGAINST THE NO HUDDLE.
KEY IS TO ONLY RUSH 4 PEOPLE. GENERALLY D / LINE AND ONE BACKER.

ANY ZONE BLITZES (KEIESEL / SMITH) DROPPING IN TO COVERAGE HAS TO HAVE A SIMILAR RESULT. WHERE SOMEONE COVERS THE MIDDLE PART OF THE FIELD A LITTLE MORE THAN USUAL... 6 - 12 YARDS SHOULD DO IT.

Instead of a 25 yard completion it may go for 6-8. BIG DIFFERENCE.

SO IF YOU ARE PLAYING A RUN - ORIENTATED TEAM - BALTILESS - NORMAL 3-4 BASE. MIDDLE BACKERS ON SAME LEVEL.
IF YOU ARE PLAYING COLTS AND Pats**** - PASSING TEAMS - DROP THE MLB2 - Foote and Timmons further back - 5-6 yards. It is effectively the Tampa 2 (ending up the same level as safeties) = cover 3.

However with better run stoppers on the field than a normal Tampa 2, SIDES WILL NOT POWER RUN US like you can do to the colts.

The D / line. Keisel / Smith / McBean could rush just a little more. With the knowledge a run will be supported by Timmons - further back. And a pass will have a cover 2, plus Timmons playing that Tampa 2 'Mike' linebacker role. EFFECTIVELY COVER 3 And or covering the Slot reciever / or third wide out - at a deeper level. E.G WELKER.

IT WORKS. AND IT CONFUSES QB'S NO END.

The NFL is so easy.
On offense if the opponent is 3-4 you pass spread em out.
On offense if the opponent is 4-3 you run
On Offense if your opponent is 46 - spread em out pass Delayed runs.

On Defense if your opponent is a pass team - 4-3 cover 2
On Defense if your opponent is a run happy team - 3-4.

This is why I dislike Lebeau - c'mon give it to me..........

The Bengals are taking this retro-cool thing to a completely new level. Their coach is Bruce Coslet, a onetime Cincinnati tight end and offensive coordinator. The backup quarterback is Boomer Esiason, returning for a second tour with Cincinnati, which he guided to Super Bowl XXIII. The offensive coordinator is Ken Anderson, a former Bengals quarterback who in 1981 took the team to its first Super Bowl. The defensive line coach is Tim Krumrie, who played noseguard for Cincinnati from 1983 to 1994. And the defensive coordinator is Dick LeBeau, a native of nearby London, Ohio, and from 1984 to '91 the Bengals' defensive coordinator.
LeBeau is the architect of the wildly popular zone-blitz defense. He spent the last five seasons teaching it to the Steelers but apparently couldn't say no to the Bengals' 1997 Reunion Tour. "It's great to be back," said LeBeau, who played cornerback at Ohio State and for the Lions. "This is kind of a dream come true for me." In fact, most of the team is just now waking from the nightmarish regime of former coach Dave Shula, who went 19-52 in 4 1/2 years with Cincinnati. Shula, now the executive vice president of the chain of steak houses owned by his father, Don, was replaced by Coslet after the first seven games of last season. Then, when the Bengals won seven of their last nine, many players wondered out loud just how good the team would have been if Coslet had been there from the beginning. Now they will find out.

"It's great to be back," said LeBeau, who played cornerback at Ohio State and for the Lions. "This is kind of a dream come true for me."

GREAT PLEASE LEAVE AGAIN. GO NOW!!

Quarterback Jeff Blake certainly improved under Coslet. In his final nine games, Blake, a Pro Bowl starter in 1995, averaged 249 yards passing and threw 16 TDs. He skipped his family's vacation during the off-season to lift weights and work on his throwing skills; he should blossom further under the guidance of his backup, Esiason. Blake was a third-string QB with the Jets in 1994 when Esiason was the team's starter. Neither has a problem with a role reversal, though. "There's no hidden agenda or motive on my side," says the veteran Esiason. "Jeff is going to let me retire to greener pastures without having to take hits."

One player the team desperately wants to see revert to his old form is third-year back Ki-Jana Carter. The No. 1 pick in the 1995 draft, Carter signed a seven-year, $19.2 million contract, promptly injured his knee in a preseason game and sat out his entire rookie season. He scored eight TDs over the final nine weeks in 1996 but reported to the team's first 1997 minicamp "big, slow and soft," according to trainer Paul Sparling, before trimming down to 220 pounds.

Adding to the Bengals' explosiveness is one of the AFC's best receivers, Carl Pickens, whose 100 receptions ranked third in the league last season. He should become the team's alltime leading receiver this fall. "There is no next level for Carl," says Coslet. "He's one of the top three receivers in the NFL. Would I trade him for Michael Irvin? No. Would I trade him for Jerry Rice now? No."

Coslet would probably like to trade a few of his defensive players, though. The Bengals' defense has long been suspect—it ranked 25th in the NFL in 1996. Things don't look much more promising for this year. Left end John Copeland couldn't bench-press 275 pounds even once at a recent minicamp, and linebacker James Francis decided to skip 13 weeks of workouts in Cincinnati during the off-season, thus forfeiting a $250,000 incentive.

Such a lack of conditioning is a problem, considering that LeBeau's aggressive 3-4 defense requires speed, cunning and discipline. But a few Bengals defenders may have the tools to make things work. Linebacker Rico McDonald, who led the team at minicamp with 40 bench presses of 225 pounds, will flourish in the zone blitz. First-round pick Reinard Wilson, who played end at Florida State, will switch to linebacker in the 3-4, and tackle Dan Wilkinson (he had a team-high 6 1/2 sacks in 1996) will move over to end. Inside linebacker Steve Tovar led the team in tackles last season with 94—he has fully recovered from surgery to repair a late-season knee injury—and Ashley Ambrose (eight interceptions in 1996) was the first Bengals cornerback to make the Pro Bowl since 1988, the year the team made its last trip to the Super Bowl.

Now, that's exactly the kind of retro vibe Cincy is hoping to replay this season.

—by David Fleming

Disgraceful Richard.

1 Superbowl as a player or coach... a little overrated? Like Cowher had some good teams?

HOW ABOUT BUMP AND RUN?

HOW ABOUT COVER 3?

1-4-6

2-3-6

3-3-5

2-4-5

0-5-6

DO THESE ON DIFFERENT STAGES IN THE GAME - DIFFERENT DRIVES.

THE 3-4 BASE D AGAINST 5 WIDE OUTS IS LEBEAU'S SPECIALTY.

ANYTHING DIFFERENT.



THE WORST THING IS I KNOW MORE THAN BELICHICK.

LEBEAU'S IS PATHETIC AND SERIOUSLY WE WERE LUCKY TO WIN THE THE SB IN 05... WE WERE HELPED BY THE REFS NO DOUBT.

[size=9]TIME TO GO RICHARD... PATHETIC 8 YARD CUSHIONS = BUBBLE SCREENS, SLANTS.

TIME TO GO 4-3 COVER 2 / 3. TOMLIN'S SCHEME.

TAMPA 2. QUICK PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.

LEBEAU'S ZONE D IS THE THING OF THE PAST...

THE FUTURE OF THE NFL = THE PASS.

WHAT DO THE STEELERS DO ... RUN IT... IT'S LIKE IT IS BUILT IN THE CITY OR SOMETHING / PSYCHE.

TOMLIN NEEDS TO STOP THE RUBBISH.

WHAT HAS POUNDING THE ROCK GOT US?

1 SB (LUCKY) IN 16 YRS.

DON'T TELL ME THE STEEL CURTAIN POUNDED THE ROCK. THEY USED A 56 / 44 PASS TO RUN RATIO.

YOU MORONS ARE AS BAD AS LEBEAU AND COWHER... WITH THIS RUNNING THE BALL RUBBISH AND PLAYING A 3-4 BASE AGAINST 4 AND 5 RECIEVERS.

ITS YESTERDAY'S NEWS LIKE THIS SITE...

RUBBISH.

LEBEAU IS A LIABILITY OF THIS TEAM JUST LIKE COWHER WAS.

TIME FOR CHANGE... HOW MUCH GAMEPLANNING CAN A 72 YR OLD MAN DO ANYWAY. HE stuff HIS PANTS AND PISSES THE BED AT HOME... HOW CAN HE STUDY TAPE?

MORONS...

1 Superbowl as a player or coach... a little overrated? Like Cowher had some good teams?

HOW ABOUT BUMP AND RUN?

HOW ABOUT COVER 3?

1-4-6

2-3-6

3-3-5

2-4-5

0-5-6

DO THESE ON DIFFERENT STAGES IN THE GAME - DIFFERENT DRIVES.

THE 3-4 BASE D AGAINST 5 WIDE OUTS IS LEBEAU'S SPECIALTY.

ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

THE WORST THING IS I KNOW MORE THAN BELICHICK.

LEBEAU'S IS PATHETIC AND SERIOUSLY WE WERE LUCK TO WIN THE THE SB IN 05... WE WERE HELPED BY THE REFS NO DOUBT.

TIME TO GO RICHARD... PATHETIC 8 YARD CUSHIONS = BUBBLE SCREENS, SLANTS.

TIME TO GO 4-3 COVER 2 / 3. TOMLIN'S SCHEME.

TAMPA 2. QUICK PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.

LEBEAU'S ZONE D IS THE THING OF THE PAST...

THE FUTURE OF THE NFL = THE PASS.

WHAT DO THE STEELERS DO ... RUN IT... IT'S LIKE BUILT IN THE CITY / PSYCHE.

TOMLIN NEEDS TO STOP THE RUBBISH.

WHAT HAS POUNDING THE ROCK GOT US?

1 SB (LUCKY) IN 40 YRS as a player or coach?

So again Why does Dick Lebeau not get scrutinised like other coaches?

Age? What.

Tell me experts.

Frame-by-Frame: Spread Offense vs Steeler Defense


I have been down on our defensive secondary for a few years. At no time are their weaknesses exposed more than when the Steelers face a spread offense. If every team had a veteran QB with one or two very good WRs and some average ones thrown into the mix to take up space, then we might see this every week. It completely neutralizes the Steelers blitz package and takes our LBs off their game. Against a 3WR Colt offense, the Steelers can still blitz Peyton Manning and give him problems. Against the Bengals and their 3WR and 4WR sets, we manage to get to Palmer at times, but their WRs are good enough to get open quickly (especially Houshmandzadeh and Henry…..when being covered by Deshea Townsend). Against the Patriots and Tom Brady, their 4WR and 5WR formations really give us problems. We can look forward to Wes Welker matched up against CB Townsend and GOING OFF on us for about 160 yards.

————-

Let’s look at Kurt Warner and the Arizona Cardinals (minus Pro Bowl WR Anquan Boldin) spread the field and pick up some easy yardage.

On this drive, Warner goes 6-for-7 on a 70 yard drive that lasts 3:43

Play 1:



Here we see a 5WR formation with Edge lined up in the slot. Notice the huge cushion that each WR is getting. Arizona has 5 OL. If 6 Steelers rush the passer here (DL and LBs), then a quick slant would pick up big yardage. If ZERO LBS rush, then Warner has all day and night to find somebody eventually work themselves free against the Steelers DBs (who are not all that great man-to-man). No doubt Kurt Warner sees Edge lined up against a LB and WR Urban (who later snags a TD pass) with the same matchup.



The ball is snapped and Farrior and Haggans are bringing pressure. Warner is looking left and finds Fitzgerald open as he clears the LB in front of him. If he had been looking right (top of your screen), then he could have thrown the ball to either inside WR for a nice 8 yard gain. Also important is to note that the Steelers blitz here, but because they HAVE TO cover the 5WRs on the field, they can only bring 5 men to pressure the QB. Arizona has 5 OL in to block, so no worries for Kurt…he hits Fitzgerald for 9 yards on 1st down.






Play 2:

Same exact formation. This time it’s 2nd and 1, and Arizona is still in a 5WR formation. This time, the Steelers bring 4 men and drop everyone else into coverage. At the line of scrimmage, the Cardinals have 5 vs 4, so no real chance for a sack or for pressuring the QB. On the last play, we saw MLB Farrior blitz. This time, he drops back into zone coverage. If you have a veteran QB and decent WRs, then you can pull these plays off with relative ease. Cardinal scrub WR settles into the zone for an easy 6 yard catch.





So that is 15 yards on 2 plays. Arizona made it look like a 7-on-7 drill. They created mismatches, they dictated to the defense, and picked up yardage. When our defense is spread like this and our DBs are in coverage and our LBs are dropping into zone, the whole BLITZBURGH STEELERS and SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL stuff goes right out the window. This has been the absolute best way to attack our defense for about 4 years running. I’m surprised more teams don’t do this to us, but like I said, you need a good QB to pull this off. Let’s hope the rest of the league continues to try to run the ball against us and tries to have a good mix of run vs pass. We eat offenses like that for breakfast.



In case you were wondering…the last time we played Seattle, Matt Hasselbeck threw the ball 49 times. Take a look at their play chart in the Super Bowl and tell me that they didn’t spot a weakness in the Steelers secondary. Check this out:

Drive 1: 7 plays, 5 passes.

Drive 2: 7 plays, 6 passes.

Drive 3: 7 plays, 4 passes

The score was tied at this point…they weren’t playing catch up. They had 2 weeks to prepare a gameplan and they thought the best way to attack our team was through the air.

To go back a bit further, in the 2004 AFC Championship game, Tom Brady and the Patriots threw the ball 11 times on their first 16 plays while jumping out to a 24-3 lead at halftime. I know this is an old stat, but when teams have a while to prepare for us in big games, they seem to go right after our secondary.



This is how to get Woodley and Timmons more REPS...

On first Down:

RDE - Woodley

NT - Hampton (2 gap scheme) As per normal.

LDE - Haggans

ROLB - Harrison

LOLB - Foote

MLB 1 - Farrior

MLB 2 - Timmons (IN SPACE) until gets more strength.

CB 1 - Taylor

CB 2 - BMac

FS - Clark / Smith

SS - Pol

On second down: replace linebacker with defensive back. Replace Hampton with Smith. (Now nickel)

RDE - Woodley

NT - Smith (More Bull rushing / Stunting / Blitzing than Hampton.

LDE - Haggans

LOLB - Harrison

MLB 1 - Farrior

MLB 2 - Timmons

CB 1 - Taylor

CB 2 - BMac

CB 3 - Townsend

FS - Clark / Smith

SS - Pol


On third down: replace another linebacker with defensive back. Replace Smith with Kiesel. (Now Dime) Farrior gets benched for Timmons.

RDE - Woodley

NT - Keisel (More Bull rushing / Stunting / Blitzing than Hampton.

LDE - Haggans

LOLB - Harrison (Floater) Goes wherever their D line is weak. Blitz or cover area of field.

MLB 1 - Timmons

CB 1 - Taylor

CB 2 - BMac

CB 3 - Townsend

CB 4 - Smith / Clark

FS - Clark / Smith

SS - Pol


This will allow more playmakers on the field. The plan is to play FS and SS deep in a cover 2 scheme. They will clean up the run game.

All corners when they are on the field will cover the WR (everywhere they go - NO ZONE). They get support over the top from the safeties.

With only 1 Dlineman (really) on the line at times it will give Lebeau more ability to Zone blitz the backers and now (Linebackers) at the end spot.

Imagine Haggans and Woodley 'having a zone' the 'other designated blitzers' would have a field day. I love DE's who can cover as well.

You will cover everything and only send 2 or maybe 3 , 4 guys at once. NO MORE.

As we have more speed on the field we will clean up the short passing game. With Hampton / (Smith and Kiesel) on the nose (Keisel on 3rd downs or long yardage situations) we will stop the inside runs. Runs to the outside will be impossible.

Keisel and Smith and even Hampton can drop back into coverage at stages. And Smith and Keisel could QB spy and even run with running backs knowing we have 2 safeties deep.

The Zone blitz here would be amazing. Every guy could drop or rush making the other team having to max protect. Then you can send 2 maybe 3 guys and the rest are covered. And still pressure.

The more backers the better. Sub-em in, Sub-em out. Keep - em - fresh. Our backers can play DE.


P.S this will work in most situations but would be near on impossible for a team to come back from 1 or more scores down.

The reality with the COLTS and PATS not having a 'stud' running back we could limit the passing yards and probably give the back 3 - 3.5 yards a carry.

This scheme makes the running back beat you. They don't against us.

This is great for the cap. Linebackers are less than DE / DT.

I don't know why teams pay over the odds for a DT / DE when they are one dimensional. They don't cover and are shocking against the run.

This would keep the PATS / COLTS to 21 to 24 points. Approx 200 yards passing. 85 - 110 on the ground.

Can we score that against them? YES.

Against the PATS / COLTS we must run the football. A.v 3.8 / 4.0 yards a carry. Don't let Belicheat start nickles and Dimes. PATS LIKE TO SCORE FIRST. IF WE DO WE CAN WIN THIS FOOTBALL MATCH.

We can do what the patriots did to the rams this season. Keep everything in front of us and let SMITH POL, TAYLOR BMAC, TYRONE CARTER MAKE THEIR HEADS SWIVEL AROUND.

I LIKE THE MATCH UP OF POL AND SMITH VS MOSS AND STALLWORTH IN A COLLISION GAME. LIKEWISE THE COLTS TANDEM OF WIDEOUTS.

We could get to be in a 3-4 Look (Timmons to ger WR 3 ) a 2-4-5, a 3-3-5, 1-5-5 and Other Nickel and Dime packages more easily as I believe the no huddle will be used by a lot of teams down the stretch.

When we are in our base 3-4 look Timmons will take care of WR 3 or the Slot reciever. Timmons vs Welker?

Timmons gives you the opportunity to play him as a QB spy as well. Re McNair / Scrambling QB'S.



We must play Nickel and Dime packages all game against the Pats, Colts.

Against Ravens and Titans you stop the run. With all our backers on the field there will be no where to run.

The more backers the better. Sub-em in, Sub-em out. Keep - em - fresh. Our backers can play DE.

terribletowel39
01-18-2008, 09:06 AM
i don't know if you realize just how long your post is dude. this may be the longest i have ever seen. it may take a couple of days for you to get a response.

Jakey
01-18-2008, 09:10 AM
i don't know if you realize just how long your post is dude. this may be the longest i have ever seen. it may take a couple of days for you to get a response.

haha...u obviously havn't read his others yet!!! :p

steel man
01-18-2008, 09:53 AM
i like someone that has good insight and writes detailed post , but not to be cutting on you dude and you are new but that is CRAZY!!! to write something that long, at least split it up into several post and i mean several post.

mikehop05
01-18-2008, 11:47 AM
i like someone that has good insight and writes detailed post , but not to be cutting on you dude and you are new but that is CRAZY!!! to write something that long, at least split it up into several post and i mean several post.

just read it, he doesn have 'good insight' it seems like a 12 year olds opinion because he plays madden and therefore knows how to win in the NFL

skarocksoi
01-18-2008, 04:38 PM
I think he just posted the same thing three times in three different threads, and no one will ever read all of it in any of them.

brat316
01-18-2008, 04:39 PM
i can't read that to much time, and rambling and hey maybe you should talk to some coaches

steel man
01-23-2008, 03:04 PM
do you guys think that Cam Cameron getting hired by Bal. will hurt us?

terribletowel39
01-23-2008, 03:09 PM
do you guys think that Cam Cameron getting hired by Bal. will hurt us?
if by hurt us as in make our division weaker.....yes. look what he did in Miami.

they celebrated like they had won the Superbowl whenever they actually beat someone.

steel man
01-23-2008, 03:15 PM
but look what he did in SD as a Corr. , in Miami he was head coach and just could not handle making every call but going back to what he knows and out of the lime light i am just afraid he might get make them a better team with hurts us.....i hope not

skarocksoi
01-23-2008, 05:13 PM
Cam got a bit of a raw deal in Miami, and he did a pretty good job in SD. I think its a little early to say whether or not it will hurt us, because it depends on what he wants to do with the offense.

brat316
01-23-2008, 05:26 PM
I thought the Ravens were going to hire the Eagles qb coach, for O coordinator

mikehop05
01-23-2008, 05:35 PM
I thought the Ravens were going to hire the Eagles qb coach, for O coordinator

apparently not, but honestly yes, it does hurt us...

he is a better play caller and a better OC than the ravens have had the past couple years...

next year the ravens look like a team that can contend if they solve their problem at QB

terribletowel39
01-23-2008, 05:41 PM
i don't see how yall are all thinking he was amazing at SD. he had the best RB since Barry Sanders running his offense. and one of the best TE's the game has ever seen as well. really what else did he do except give it to LDT and Gates over and over.

brat316
01-23-2008, 05:45 PM
and he had a defense that was there to bail him out so he could just run the ball all game.

The ravens have an uh average D now, sometimes they show up sometimes they don;t. They have a good TE, and a good Rb.

terribletowel39
01-23-2008, 05:54 PM
and he had a defense that was there to bail him out so he could just run the ball all game.

The ravens have an uh average D now, sometimes they show up sometimes they don;t. They have a good TE, and a good Rb.
they have an overrated TE, and a slightly above average RB. not greats.

i am assuming that you brought that up because you think he is in the same situation in baltimore as in SD and so he will hurt us. well SD never was able to run on us in the first place. granted everyone seemed to be able to run on us the last few weeks. jesus. we need DL help.

brat316
01-23-2008, 06:10 PM
yeah, lets get some DE help, Keisel would be a good DE in a 4-3, kind of like Jared Allen is except a few steps slower. But we do need to get a big body guy there, someone just fat as hell, that can play almost NT.

Lets see who there is
Albert Hanynesworth to play De,
Corey Williams

but our Gm has said that they aren't looking to spend a lot of money in the FA. As usual they want to get players through the draft.

Dre Moore
Marcus Harrison
Pat Sims

DeathbyStat
01-23-2008, 06:43 PM
yeah, lets get some DE help, Keisel would be a good DE in a 4-3, kind of like Jared Allen is except a few steps slower. But we do need to get a big body guy there, someone just fat as hell, that can play almost NT.

Lets see who there is
Albert Hanynesworth to play De,
Corey Williams

but our Gm has said that they aren't looking to spend a lot of money in the FA. As usual they want to get players through the draft.

Dre Moore
Marcus Harrison
Pat Sims


Dre Moore has been a monster at the senior bowl....getting good leverage all day long

mikehop05
01-23-2008, 06:56 PM
Dre Moore has been a monster at the senior bowl....getting good leverage all day long

my boy dre moore is straight killin cats

terribletowel39
01-23-2008, 06:57 PM
my boy dre moore is straight killin cats
that could effect his draft status.

TheWood56
01-24-2008, 07:43 AM
my boy dre moore is straight killin cats

So, he's doing a Mike Vick, though with cats instead? :cool:

Mr. Stiller
01-24-2008, 09:54 AM
I hate to break peoples hearts... but

LeBeau - Cowher = 3-4 DE's playing 1 gap..

Meaning.... Big 4-3 DE's, not 4-3 NT/DT's.

If what I'm hearing is correct, they're not looking at taking a DT for 3-4 early, but they're looking into VT and WVU DT's

Jakey
01-24-2008, 10:12 AM
I've recently seen Tomlin say that the he likes the players we have for the 3-4...but we are going to "grow and evolve". I'm pretty certain that he wants to change to the 4-3 some time soon...do you think this years draft will represent that???

brat316
01-24-2008, 12:34 PM
yeah, I think he wants more versitlity, as in he can shift between the 3-4 and 4-3. He does like players who can play multiple positions. This draft might be looking a little more like 4-3, but with big DEs and physical corners, who are suited for a cover 2. Also some DEs who can drop out into the flats.

Mr. Stiller
01-25-2008, 06:14 AM
I've recently seen Tomlin say that the he likes the players we have for the 3-4...but we are going to "grow and evolve". I'm pretty certain that he wants to change to the 4-3 some time soon...do you think this years draft will represent that???

I honestly don't see us going 4-3. There were rumors that LeBeau was retiring, but he's stated that he'll be back for atleast 5 years pending his health. Tomlin also had a top defense, and has supposedly grown to love the 3-4 because he's a big physical guy. Tampa2 disciple that would rather run a physical smashmouth defense and offense. He loves the 3-4 for that tendency and it's flexibility.

Mr. Stiller
01-25-2008, 06:15 AM
yeah, I think he wants more versitlity, as in he can shift between the 3-4 and 4-3. He does like players who can play multiple positions. This draft might be looking a little more like 4-3, but with big DEs and physical corners, who are suited for a cover 2. Also some DEs who can drop out into the flats.

As for Flexibility, I think he's talking about guys like Timmons, And Colon.. guys that could potentially play 2-3 positions.

Colon could possibly play LG, C, RG, RT.

Timmons, Nickel OLB, Dime LB, 3-4 ILB, 4-3 OLB, and Slot coverage/SS.

skarocksoi
01-25-2008, 04:41 PM
Timmons is going to be beast if he can learn everything the coaching staff wants him to. He's got all the physical talent in the world, he just needs time to learn the position and schemes. Hopefully that isnt a problem considering he comes from FSU where learning is usually "aided"....

I'm just kidding. But I do hate FSU.

mikehop05
01-25-2008, 05:07 PM
Timmons is going to be beast if he can learn everything the coaching staff wants him to. He's got all the physical talent in the world, he just needs time to learn the position and schemes. Hopefully that isnt a problem considering he comes from FSU where learning is usually "aided"....

I'm just kidding. But I do hate FSU.

i agree on all counts

especially about hating FSU

LonghornsLegend
01-27-2008, 01:00 PM
What is Timmons role next year? Is he a guy that is planned to start and showed he had talent, or will be like Carpenter for us and never have a place?

mikehop05
01-27-2008, 02:04 PM
What is Timmons role next year? Is he a guy that is planned to start and showed he had talent, or will be like Carpenter for us and never have a place?

he has been given the opportunity to see if he can beat out one of our inside backers (most likely foote) and if he does this then he will start... if he can't then back to ST for the year

brat316
01-27-2008, 02:06 PM
Well atleast Timmons can make our ST better

terribletowel39
01-27-2008, 02:07 PM
he means farrior. most likely farrior. NOONE CAN BEAT FOOTE!!!

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 08:49 AM
Don't have anything to say, just thought I'd bump this thread up to date. Also, I need more posts so I can actually give some green rep like this guys face. :D

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 08:51 AM
he means farrior. most likely farrior. NOONE CAN BEAT FOOTE!!!

Who's Noone? If this man can beat out Foote, you must inform me of him. :cool:

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 08:58 AM
he has been given the opportunity to see if he can beat out one of our inside backers (most likely foote) and if he does this then he will start... if he can't then back to ST for the year

Apparently he'll be competing with Foote next season. Pretty sure Farrior's safe. Also, Timmons was learning the mack postion (Foote's position) all of last season, so he most likely doesn't know much about Farrior's position or his assignments or whatever.

steelersfan27
02-02-2008, 11:21 AM
If he works hard this offseason he will beat out Foote. There is no question Timmons is the better player. All he needs to do is learn and hes set. I think he would started or at least seen a lot of playing time(like Woodley did) if he wouldnt have missed all of the spring camps.

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 11:57 AM
If he works hard this offseason he will beat out Foote. There is no question Timmons is the better player. All he needs to do is learn and hes set. I think he would started or at least seen a lot of playing time(like Woodley did) if he wouldnt have missed all of the spring camps.

Timmons no doubt has the better potential and the more upside, so if he's ready and knows the playbook and all that, he'll most likely beat out Foote.

Also, I don't really think Woodley got that much playing time to be honest with you, especially considering how well he played when he was in the game. The only game he really played a heap in was against the Jags in the playoffs, though besides that, it seemed as though he would only play a few snaps a game. I think if he hadn't injured his hammy towards the back end of the season where he missed those 2-3 games or whatever it was, he probably would have starting seeing a whole lot more game time considering when the playoffs rolled around, they decided to play Woodley over Haggans. He also played great in that game IMO. He was getting into the backfield and getting after Gerrard. Without Woodley, who knows if Gerrard would have threw the ball as poorly as he did. He played a great game IMO and was pretty disruptive all game long.

I'm really excited to see what he can do for us next season.

mikehop05
02-02-2008, 01:22 PM
yeah im real pumped about woodley's potential as well

mikehop05
02-02-2008, 01:25 PM
Who's Noone? If this man can beat out Foote, you must inform me of him. :cool:

you havnt heard of noone? hes pretty much jesus in cleats

terribletowel39
02-02-2008, 01:41 PM
you havnt heard of noone? hes pretty much jesus in cleats
does that mean he has heard of someone??

Jakey
02-02-2008, 01:49 PM
I can see Woodley tearing up the league next season...his only "downfall" was his height...but his leverage and strength is just too much for big OT's to handle. He was prolly the most productive college DE his last 2 year at Michigan, and as far as i'm concerned he was better prospect than Gaines Adams/Anthony Spencer etc. He is a physical phreak...he is 6'2", a solid 266lbs, runs a 4.64, bench presses 225 about 30 times. I'm likeing this kinda small stout OLB's were repping at the minute, we've got James Harrison at 6'0" 245lbs, and Woodley at 6'2" 266...they both have a great amount of strength and pack a MASSIVE punch. IMO smaller is better for a 3-4 OLB. Whats your guys thoughts on this??? Thanks dude's! :)

mikehop05
02-02-2008, 02:33 PM
I can see Woodley tearing up the league next season...his only "downfall" was his height...but his leverage and strength is just too much for big OT's to handle. He was prolly the most productive college DE his last 2 year at Michigan, and as far as i'm concerned he was better prospect than Gaines Adams/Anthony Spencer etc. He is a physical phreak...he is 6'2", a solid 266lbs, runs a 4.64, bench presses 225 about 30 times. I'm likeing this kinda small stout OLB's were repping at the minute, we've got James Harrison at 6'0" 245lbs, and Woodley at 6'2" 266...they both have a great amount of strength and pack a MASSIVE punch. IMO smaller is better for a 3-4 OLB. Whats your guys thoughts on this??? Thanks dude's! :)

it really all depends, i think it really varies based on the player but i do agree that there is a certain leverage advantage if you're 6'2" and the other guy is 6'8"

but arms length and the ability to get into thats guys body is the problem

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 08:32 PM
you havnt heard of noone? hes pretty much jesus in cleats

What does he look like? Please explain him to me, in depth. ;)

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 08:36 PM
does that mean he has heard of someone??

Are they related or something?

TheWood56
02-02-2008, 08:43 PM
I can see Woodley tearing up the league next season...his only "downfall" was his height...but his leverage and strength is just too much for big OT's to handle. He was prolly the most productive college DE his last 2 year at Michigan, and as far as i'm concerned he was better prospect than Gaines Adams/Anthony Spencer etc. He is a physical phreak...he is 6'2", a solid 266lbs, runs a 4.64, bench presses 225 about 30 times. I'm likeing this kinda small stout OLB's were repping at the minute, we've got James Harrison at 6'0" 245lbs, and Woodley at 6'2" 266...they both have a great amount of strength and pack a MASSIVE punch. IMO smaller is better for a 3-4 OLB. Whats your guys thoughts on this??? Thanks dude's! :)

It all depends man. I love Woodley and his potential, and I really like Harrison, even though I think he'd be a beast of an ILB, though I wouldn't mind a bigger dude like Merriman (6'4" 272lbs) or something playing opposite Woodley in the future.

Jakey
02-03-2008, 07:16 AM
Yeah i agree with that...i think Harrison would be the ideal replacement for Farrior at Buck. I think if we draft an elite DE/OLB next year, we would have a monster group of linebackers, something like...

ROLB: Everette Brown (i love this kid)
RILB: Lawrence Timmons
LILB: James Harrison
LOLB: Lamarr Woodley

Santonio10
02-03-2008, 11:03 AM
Yeah i agree with that...i think Harrison would be the ideal replacement for Farrior at Buck. I think if we draft an elite DE/OLB next year, we would have a monster group of linebackers, something like...

ROLB: Everette Brown (i love this kid)
RILB: Lawrence Timmons
LILB: James Harrison
LOLB: Lamarr Woodley

Do you think he would enter the draft next year? hes only a RS sophomore right? I dont know all that much about him besides that he was pretty good coming out of HS

Jakey
02-03-2008, 11:13 AM
I think he might do...he should be starting full time next season, and i expect he will take full advantage of it! :)

TheWood56
02-03-2008, 10:22 PM
I honestly think Timmons would be an ideal replacement for Farrior, and Harrison for Foote, though considering Timmons has been learning Foote's position, I guess that's where they're planning on playing him.

Also, what do you think of Everson Griffen from USC?

Hines
02-03-2008, 10:24 PM
I honestly think Timmons would be an ideal replacement for Farrior, and Harrison for Foote, though considering Timmons has been learning Foote's position, I guess that's where they're planning on playing him.

Also, what do you think of Everson Griffin from USC?

Man Beast. I went against him, and it was scary.

TheWood56
02-03-2008, 10:27 PM
Man Beast. I went against him, and it was scary.

Are you serious?

TheWood56
02-03-2008, 10:38 PM
While we're on the topic of pass rushers, what's everyone's opinions on George Selvie and Ricky Sapp?

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 12:16 AM
OMFG.. I came at the right time.

Screw George Selvie... Give me Ricky Sapp.

6'4 245lbs 4.51 speed. a 6'4 version of Dwight Freeney that actually plays the run.

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 12:17 AM
Hilarious.. Imagine how terrible Brady would be behind our OL all season.

terribletowel39
02-04-2008, 12:19 AM
Hilarious.. Imagine how terrible Brady would be behind our OL all season.
yea no ******' joke. haha can you slow down your gif, like a lot. just for a minute. i want to see who is covering Gates when Troy lays him out and then is it Farrior that lays out Boller??

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 12:22 AM
yea no ******' joke. haha can you slow down your gif, like a lot. just for a minute. i want to see who is covering Gates when Troy lays him out and then is it Farrior that lays out Boller??

I wish.. I can't.

terribletowel39
02-04-2008, 12:25 AM
I wish.. I can't.
well do you know the answer to either of those questions?? i'm just curious. it goes so fast.

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 12:26 AM
well do you know the answer to either of those questions?? i'm just curious. it goes so fast.

I think it's Farrior owning Boller and I think Haggans is covering Gates.

terribletowel39
02-04-2008, 12:29 AM
I think it's Farrior owning Boller and I think Haggans is covering Gates.
ok well Foote has the 2nd best layout in that gif. Anthony Smiths still wins. is Foote drilling Heiden in that one??

take note all you Foote haters.

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 12:32 AM
ok well Foote has the 2nd best layout in that gif. Anthony Smiths still wins. is Foote drilling Heiden in that one??

take note all you Foote haters.

Yes sir.

I'm thinking Foote will be the Buck eventually. I think he's a great role player, but not a starter.

terribletowel39
02-04-2008, 12:35 AM
Yes sir.

I'm thinking Foote will be the Buck eventually. I think he's a great role player, but not a starter.
come on stiller not you too. he is the 2nd best LB we have right now. i put Harrison over him right now just because of the year he just had. i think he is more consistent than Farrior and well we all know Haggans is out the door. i'm not about to say Woodley is better than him when we haven't seen him play a game. snaps yes but no game yet.

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 12:44 AM
come on stiller not you too. he is the 2nd best LB we have right now. i put Harrison over him right now just because of the year he just had. i think he is more consistent than Farrior and well we all know Haggans is out the door. i'm not about to say Woodley is better than him when we haven't seen him play a game. snaps yes but no game yet.

Foote is a 2 down player. He's not good enough in coverage for me to want to keep him on the field for 3 downs. I don't think he's dynamic enough as a thumper to overlook the fact he's a liability in coverage, and for stints this past season forgot how to tackle.. He's not great at sifting through traffic either.. he gets swallowed up fairly easy.

I wouldn't put Foote over Harrison or Farrior.

Woodley started and played nearly the entire Jax game.

TheWood56
02-04-2008, 02:25 AM
Hilarious.. Imagine how terrible Brady would be behind our OL all season.

I was saying over at SCI that I was happy to see a glimpse of how Brady looks when he's under the type of pressure that Ben's been consistantly under the past couple of seasons.

TheWood56
02-04-2008, 02:36 AM
come on stiller not you too. he is the 2nd best LB we have right now. i put Harrison over him right now just because of the year he just had. i think he is more consistent than Farrior and well we all know Haggans is out the door. i'm not about to say Woodley is better than him when we haven't seen him play a game. snaps yes but no game yet.

As I've said in the past, I don't mind Foote and think he's not a bad player, though I'd personally have Harrison and Farrior over him.

Also, I'm 99% sure that Woodley will turn out to be an absolute beast and be a much greater player then Foote, and I'm not dissing Foote either, just saying I think Woodley has a huge future. In the limited amount of snaps he played last season, he was very effective IMO in getting after the QB and getting into the backfield. Also, as Stiller said, the one game he started, or had a heap of playing time in was aginst the Jags in the playoffs, and I think he had a great game and was really disruptive. I think he was one of, if not the main reason why Gerrard threw the ball very poorly in that game. He was giving Gerrard fits back there and was just causing havoc.

I absolutely love his potential. Can't wait to see him starting next season.

DeathbyStat
02-04-2008, 06:15 AM
I bet if plex was wearing a steeler jersey he would have dropped that pass

Santonio10
02-04-2008, 08:21 AM
As I've said in the past, I don't mind Foote and think he's not a bad player, though I'd personally have Harrison and Farrior over him.

Also, I'm 99% sure that Woodley will turn out to be an absolute beast and be a much greater player then Foote, and I'm not dissing Foote either, just saying I think Woodley has a huge future. In the limited amount of snaps he played last season, he was very effective IMO in getting after the QB and getting into the backfield. Also, as Stiller said, the one game he started, or had a heap of playing time in was aginst the Jags in the playoffs, and I think he had a great game and was really disruptive. I think he was one of, if not the main reason why Gerrard threw the ball very poorly in that game. He was giving Gerrard fits back there and was just causing havoc.

I absolutely love his potential. Can't wait to see him starting next season.

i agree 100%

mikehop05
02-04-2008, 11:36 AM
I bet if plex was wearing a steeler jersey he would have dropped that pass

yeah no doubt about it

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 03:04 PM
yeah no doubt about it

Bullcrap.. he would've quit running the route or caught it and spun it without being down.

skarocksoi
02-04-2008, 05:32 PM
I bet if plex was wearing a steeler jersey he would have dropped that pass

Good old plastic hands.

Seriously though, I cannot understand a single world he says. If him and Shannon Sharpe were to ever hold a conversation with each other on air, I would probably end up with a brain anuerism trying to make sense of it.

skarocksoi
02-04-2008, 05:33 PM
Bullcrap.. he would've quit running the route or caught it and spun it without being down.

Or knock it out of his own hands with his knee as he runs downfield holding it with one hand like a baton.

Mr. Stiller
02-04-2008, 06:42 PM
Good old plastic hands.

Seriously though, I cannot understand a single world he says. If him and Shannon Sharpe were to ever hold a conversation with each other on air, I would probably end up with a brain anuerism trying to make sense of it.

Quote of the year!

mikehop05
02-05-2008, 12:56 AM
Quote of the year!

ill second this

skarocksoi
02-05-2008, 04:54 PM
I'll third it!!! Wait, can I do that?

I'm just excited I got sig quoted. I feel like a superstar.

TheWood56
02-05-2008, 08:02 PM
I'll third it!!! Wait, can I do that?

I'm just excited I got sig quoted. I feel like a superstar.

If you are what you say you are
A superstar
Then have no fear
The camera's here
And the microphones
And they wanna know
Oh oh oh yeah

Lupe Fiasco anyone? :cool:

Mr. Stiller
02-05-2008, 09:07 PM
I'll third it!!! Wait, can I do that?

I'm just excited I got sig quoted. I feel like a superstar.

The more I read it the more I see a mistake.

It's Thannon Tharpe.

steelernation77
02-07-2008, 11:49 PM
If you are what you say you are
A superstar
Then have no fear
The camera's here
And the microphones
And they wanna know
Oh oh oh yeah

Lupe Fiasco anyone? :cool:

Is that off the newer cd? I really gotta get that one.

Also, I originally came here to remark on the disgusting amount of Eli love going on. Give me a break.

brat316
02-07-2008, 11:52 PM
STEELERS YEAHHHHH Lets GO

TheWood56
02-08-2008, 03:40 AM
Is that off the newer cd? I really gotta get that one.

Also, I originally came here to remark on the disgusting amount of Eli love going on. Give me a break.

Yeah, it's off his new CD. It's pretty good. You should get it if you like him.

Also, I honestly don't mind Eli, but when these idiots start to say he's all of a sudden better then Ben, it just kind of makes me want to start hating him.

Santonio10
02-08-2008, 12:31 PM
Yeah, it's off his new CD. It's pretty good. You should get it if you like him.

Also, I honestly don't mind Eli, but when these idiots start to say he's all of a sudden better then Ben, it just kind of makes me want to start hating him.

yeah i feel exactly the same way. that play that he made in the superbowl when he escaped that sack and completed that pass, reminded me so much of the plays Ben makes almost EVERY game. Bens way better than Eli.

steelersfan27
02-08-2008, 03:54 PM
If you are what you say you are
A superstar
Then have no fear
The camera's here
And the microphones
And they wanna know
Oh oh oh yeah

Lupe Fiasco anyone? :cool:

mhm. anyo other good songs from that cd?

steelersfan27
02-08-2008, 03:54 PM
steelers are staying with grass.

skarocksoi
02-08-2008, 05:31 PM
yeah i feel exactly the same way. that play that he made in the superbowl when he escaped that sack and completed that pass, reminded me so much of the plays Ben makes almost EVERY game. Bens way better than Eli.

Its kinda interesting when you look how Eli has basically stepped up from the plateau he was at and has emerged as a championship QB like Ben did 2 years ago. The fact that Ben is at least a year ahead of Eli (I'm not counting his down year when he was hurt constantly) makes him the better of the two QB's as of right now.

TheWood56
02-08-2008, 06:38 PM
yeah i feel exactly the same way. that play that he made in the superbowl when he escaped that sack and completed that pass, reminded me so much of the plays Ben makes almost EVERY game. Bens way better than Eli.

Yeah, Ben is head and shoulders above Eli IMO.

TheWood56
02-08-2008, 06:41 PM
mhm. anyo other good songs from that cd?

Yeah, as a whole, the CD's pretty good IMO. There's a few good songs on there but I'm pretty sure Superstar is the only song that has made it big so far. But still, it's a pretty good CD I reckon, even though there was only maybe a couple of songs I knew on there.

PittPete
03-08-2008, 12:28 PM
I was absolutely impressed with the job the Giants line did at protecting Eli. If Ben ever had that kind of protection, we would have had to pay him $20 million a year.

mikehop05
03-08-2008, 03:12 PM
I was absolutely impressed with the job the Giants line did at protecting Eli. If Ben ever had that kind of protection, we would have had to pay him $20 million a year.

hahaha good point

also it goes to show what brady would be with our line... ****.

steelernation77
03-08-2008, 04:42 PM
Harrison might be in some trouble

"Buddy of mine is a Sergant at ACJ (Allegheny County Jail) and said he was brought in around 2pm. Hopefully it's nothing serious."

http://discuss.pittsburghlive.com/viewtopic.php?t=128517

Just a rumor at this point but it could be a developing story.

mikehop05
03-08-2008, 04:57 PM
Harrison might be in some trouble

"Buddy of mine is a Sergant at ACJ (Allegheny County Jail) and said he was brought in around 2pm. Hopefully it's nothing serious."

http://discuss.pittsburghlive.com/viewtopic.php?t=128517

Just a rumor at this point but it could be a developing story.

could be very bad

Jakey
03-08-2008, 05:35 PM
He's only beena shmoking a pancake :)

steelernation77
03-08-2008, 11:48 PM
http://kdka.com/steelers/James.Harrison.arrested.2.673008.html

Harrison arrested for allegedly assaulting his girlfriend

steelernation77
03-09-2008, 03:10 PM
Harrison beat down the door, snapped his girlfriend's phone in half when she tried to call the police. He then smacked her and left. He was pulled over and arrested, returned to the scene and admitted his guilt. I hate to say it, but I've always had my suspicions about James and roids.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08069/863787-66.stm

Jakey
03-09-2008, 03:13 PM
^ Nah the dude is just a straight up animal! What do you expect when a super-human primate gets pissed off :D

Hines
03-09-2008, 03:14 PM
Harrison beat down the door, snapped his girlfriend's phone in half when she tried to call the police. He then smacked her and left. He was pulled over and arrested, returned to the scene and admitted his guilt. I hate to say it, but I've always had my suspicions about James and roids.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08069/863787-66.stm

Just because someone has a temper doesnt mean roids per say.

steelernation77
03-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Just because someone has a temper doesnt mean roids per say.

Yeah but Harrison's temper combined with his sudden great play and reputation as the strongest player on the team does raise some concerns.

Mr. Stiller
03-09-2008, 07:33 PM
Yeah but Harrison's temper combined with his sudden great play and reputation as the strongest player on the team does raise some concerns.

Harrison was a great player behind Porter.


I've said it the last 2 seasons that Harrison should be starting. I didn't care if it were over Foote or Porter.

Remember the Browns game in 03?

Porter got kicked out early and Harrison had like 7 Tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF's and a FR.

Harrison was a beast every chancehe got.

steelernation77
03-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Harrison was a great player behind Porter.


I've said it the last 2 seasons that Harrison should be starting. I didn't care if it were over Foote or Porter.

Remember the Browns game in 03?

Porter got kicked out early and Harrison had like 7 Tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF's and a FR.

Harrison was a beast every chancehe got.

I know Harrison should've been playing, but I still wonder. Breaking down a door and breaking a phone isn't really just a "temper"

Hines
03-09-2008, 10:44 PM
I know Harrison should've been playing, but I still wonder. Breaking down a door and breaking a phone isn't really just a "temper"

So you have never punched a hole in a wall or broke a cell phone. Its really easy now a days as cell phones arent the sturdiest things ever. Guys who continuely work out and get stronger could break down a door I think.

d34ng3l021
03-09-2008, 11:44 PM
mhm. anyo other good songs from that cd?

Hip Hop saved my Life, Streets are on Fire. The whole CD is good.

mikehop05
03-10-2008, 01:09 AM
I know Harrison should've been playing, but I still wonder. Breaking down a door and breaking a phone isn't really just a "temper"

u serious?

that sounds like a normal friday night for me

TheWood56
03-10-2008, 04:18 AM
Hip Hop saved my Life, Streets are on Fire. The whole CD is good.

Yeah, I still listen to that CD now. The whole CD's good IMO.

TheWood56
03-10-2008, 04:26 AM
Harrison was a great player behind Porter.


I've said it the last 2 seasons that Harrison should be starting. I didn't care if it were over Foote or Porter.

Remember the Browns game in 03?

Porter got kicked out early and Harrison had like 7 Tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF's and a FR.

Harrison was a beast every chancehe got.

Yeah, I had no idea what everyone was going on about when Porter got cut and people were saying we had no real replacement for him. I had full confidence in Harrison and every chance he got he took full advantage if it IMO. I just think he's always been a beast and has always been a starting caliber player. I never really expected him to start in the past, though when people were throwing Timmons in the starting line-up at ROLB before last season began, I was just thinking WTF? Harrison's a beast and will do a great job. Nobody should be writing him off just yet. And hey, what do you know..... he was a beast and played at an all pro level.

Mr. Stiller
03-10-2008, 04:43 AM
I know Harrison should've been playing, but I still wonder. Breaking down a door and breaking a phone isn't really just a "temper"

I'm sorry, but breaking down a door, especially if it's a common door isn't difficult. Any 14 year old 140+LB kid can break down those doors.

and a cellphone? Throw it against the wall with enough velocity and shatter.

I find it funny that this is a double-standard.

IF he takes his anger out on the field, it's applauded, if he does it at home, he's a piece of ****.

I think this whole society needs to change views. I'm not backing woman abuse. But at the same time, I think EVERYTHING should be equal.

Women fought for equal rights, equal pay, right to vote and numerous other equalities.

But when a man hits a woman. He's a woman beater. Why is it not explained as just "Battery". No, it's "So and So is a woman beater". I don't agree with the way society looks at people.

Just like the majority condemn people claimed of rape.. Guilty before proven innocent and even if they're innocent, they're still guilty for life, as the "rapist" tag will ruin anyone.

I know from personal experience how wrongful "Rape" Can ruin someones life.

mikehop05
04-02-2008, 09:35 AM
Playoff flag that wasn't thrown

Mike Pereira, the NFL's head of officiating, admitted yesterday that his crew working the Steelers-Jaguars playoff game erred in not calling a holding penalty against Jacksonville on a crucial play that allowed the Jaguars to kick the winning field goal.

^^ from PPG

I know it doesn't make any difference now but still is a tough pill to swallow.

terribletowel39
04-02-2008, 10:13 AM
Playoff flag that wasn't thrown

Mike Pereira, the NFL's head of officiating, admitted yesterday that his crew working the Steelers-Jaguars playoff game erred in not calling a holding penalty against Jacksonville on a crucial play that allowed the Jaguars to kick the winning field goal.

^^ from PPG

I know it doesn't make any difference now but still is a tough pill to swallow.
was this on the Garrard 4th down run?? cuz there was blatant holding on that one.

Jakey
04-02-2008, 10:52 AM
Ye i saw more than a few holds on that play...but i could care less about that now, bring on the draft baby!

mikehop05
04-02-2008, 11:08 AM
was this on the Garrard 4th down run?? cuz there was blatant holding on that one.

yeah it was on that play

terribletowel39
04-02-2008, 11:11 AM
yeah it was on that play
that **** pissed me off more than anything. game is ours if that **** gets called probably. i mean yea they would have a chance to make it on 4th and 7 but damn. i believe Harrison, Kiesel, and Foote were all held on that play. And i'm not even an official and noticed that crap.

Mr. Stiller
04-02-2008, 02:36 PM
was this on the Garrard 4th down run?? cuz there was blatant holding on that one.

Add the mahan Hold and the Complete ignoration of the rip of the back of Harrisons Jersey (even made the replay).

He literally (He being Khalif Barnes) Grabbed the back of Harrisons Jersey pulled it back about 5 inches and was a no call. Eech

terribletowel39
04-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Harrisons charges were dropped. I ain't got a link, I got an email from a buddy of mine. It looks like it is the Post though.

Santonio10
04-03-2008, 12:32 PM
Harrisons charges were dropped. I ain't got a link, I got an email from a buddy of mine. It looks like it is the Post though.

Thats good to hear

DeathbyStat
04-03-2008, 12:35 PM
Harrisons charges were dropped. I ain't got a link, I got an email from a buddy of mine. It looks like it is the Post though.

Does this mean he won't get suspended.

steel man
04-03-2008, 01:06 PM
here is a link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3327255

skarocksoi
04-03-2008, 06:14 PM
Does this mean he won't get suspended.

I doubt if he was ever going to. It was the first time he's ever had any notable problems and he was getting talk on ESPN about being the defensive MVP. Plus the whole thing wasn't as widely broadcast as other players issues.

AgentM
04-04-2008, 11:27 AM
Ye i saw more than a few holds on that play...but i could care less about that now, bring on the draft baby!

Agreed! Heck I'd forgotten all about that hold. And if they called it and we ended up winning then we would have gotten pasted by the Pats again, I didn't need that. haha

terribletowel39
05-22-2008, 05:23 PM
So...anybody heard anything interesting?? How OTA's are going?? Anything??

mikehop05
05-23-2008, 03:41 PM
OTA's are good, they are focusing on players adding to their versatility... everyone is excited to get back and all and everyones real into the penguins

terribletowel39
05-23-2008, 03:47 PM
OTA's are good, they are focusing on players adding to their versatility... everyone is excited to get back and all and everyones real into the penguins
Ahh...yes, the beloved Penguins. I'm not a hockey fan but I know the Penguins are doing awesome simply from the fact that everyone that finds out I am a Steelers fan automatically ask, "How bout those Penguins??" or something to that nature.

When does actual training camp start?? I know it is beginning of July but other than that. I got nothing.

Strongside
05-23-2008, 04:21 PM
From Steelers.com

From David Price in Leesburg, Virginia: What goals have you set for yourself this
season?


Lawrence Timmons: The biggest goal I want is to make a major impact on the
Steelers. That is what I want to do. I want to do a 360 from last year and make a major
impact.

I found this funny. Looks like Timmons isn't too great at angles. Hahaha

mikehop05
05-23-2008, 05:44 PM
From Steelers.com



I found this funny. Looks like Timmons isn't too great at angles. Hahaha

hahah i noticed that earlier, hilarious...

no one ever said he was smart... just a good football player - and well the jury is out on that too

terribletowel39
05-23-2008, 06:14 PM
Yea and yall want him in over Foote. RB's gonna be running and he is going to think to himself, "I need to take an 180 degree angle on this guy to catch him." Thats gonna work.

skarocksoi
05-25-2008, 10:43 AM
Well the kid did go to Florida State. They have to cheat to pass an online music class.

Hines
05-25-2008, 05:58 PM
I guess Bryant McFadden is ready to take the starting corner job. I hope he does. He is a great player but never puts his potential to use. We need to sign him ASAP and he should be our main priority. I say we move Deshea to saftey, but thats just me.

brat316
05-25-2008, 06:03 PM
Well with 1 year left he is going to be great this year but will he be good every year after that. A 34 yr old cb beat McFadden out of a starting job.

Hines
05-25-2008, 06:13 PM
I think the only reason why Deshea starts is because he knows the defense more then anyone. He knows all the assignments, and he is dependable. I think McFadden is better, but he hasnt grasped the potential that he has.

SCSteeler
05-25-2008, 07:36 PM
I guess Bryant McFadden is ready to take the starting corner job. I hope he does. He is a great player but never puts his potential to use. We need to sign him ASAP and he should be our main priority. I say we move Deshea to saftey, but thats just me.



I hope Mcfadden has what it takes to start! He must have, right, or else we would've stressed a corner this off season? and we have to be thinking of resigning him, too? For the same reason.

Deshea definitely knows the system, and proved that experience can sometimes overtake talent. But I'm tired of giving up "the big play"! And I want shutdown corners! I hope that Tomlins DB know-how helps these guys?

Do you think that Deshea would be a better Safety than Clark!
And would William G*y be a better 3rd CB than Deshea?
Do you think Deshea would accept the Nickel role?

and does anyone know if the 3 undrafted CB's we got are any good?
I thought our CB position was a big need, apparently not?
so our coaches must know what their doin!!!

Hines
05-25-2008, 07:41 PM
Before we adressed saftey with Smith and Clark, I would have loved to try and move Deshea to FS. He has the skills and mindset to play the position. I think he would accept the demotion because I believe he is a team guy and he would excel there like he did when he wasnt starting. *** IMO is only a nickle/dime corner, but I dont think he is ready to take the next step yet. If he isnt, I would expect us to grab a corner in FA or the draft next offseason.

SCSteeler
05-25-2008, 07:54 PM
What about Anthony Madison?
He seems to be there after every cut, for a couple years know, right?
any chance he's got what it takes?