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Bababooey
12-04-2006, 10:26 PM
Bush isn't a power runner, he's a finese big guy who 'runs straight up' too much.

He's an awful choice for the Steelers.

Jarrett? They won't pick another WR for a good time, I don't know I wouldn't trust another big SC WR.

Darrell Revis? Can't see us taking a CB in the 1st.

OL/LB is what we need badly.

Hopefully we trade down.

steelcrew43
12-04-2006, 11:06 PM
you rele think LB is that glaring of a need ?

OL is probabaly the most glaring
then CB

i would like 1st round leon hall and a second round tackle

OR

a 1st round sam baker and second round damiyeion (s/p) Hughes

Bababooey
12-05-2006, 12:53 AM
LB has been brutal this year.

Porter shows up once every two months. He'll be cut. Farrior seems to have lost a few steps. Haggans has been 'eh', Foote's been above average.

Our best pass rusher is Brett Keisel, that's a problem. If we can somehow manage an Alan Branch type, put Keisel at OLB.

OL is our most glaring need.

1st round at CB? They invested a ******** in Ike. They're talented, they just need to develop. The LB's are old.

mikehop05
12-05-2006, 01:15 AM
The reason our secondary play has looked really bad this year is due in large part to the lack of a pass rush. They make a direct correlation. It is simple, a better pass rush = better secondary numbers.

We need to get more pressure on the QB. Period.

Mr. Stiller
12-05-2006, 04:27 AM
I found some big problems in the posting.


No way Joey Porter gets cut. He's a Pittsburgh guy.. Anyone remember Gildon? We held on till he couldn't even pass a physical and he wasn't as dominant as Porter.

2) Anthony Smith was solid for his first playing time, but he needs to wrap up a bit more. He was solid. I really can't wait to see more

3) I think we need to infuse some Youth and our offense has to grind it out on the ground more. We're relying too much on the big play. I think if we would get Willie Parker some room to run. I love the Tony Hunt idea (Hence My draft which I'll repost), but he's not going to break 6 tackles in the backfield.. I think Our Oline (I'm pointing at everyone... Hartings is too weak in the knees... Faneca would even tell you he's not playing pro-bowl level... Marvel has been looking half the player he was last year. Starks hasn't been as dominant as this year and frankly I don't care for Kendall Simmons. He's not strong enough to move Dlineman. Then again, with our WR's being out, Ben having a rough season, Willies seen plenty of 8 in the box this season.)

I'll repost my draft.

Mr. Stiller
12-05-2006, 04:28 AM
I'll repost my draft.


Trade Down from #9 to #13 and #13 in round 3.

1) Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
http://www.trojanfb.com/imagedb/albums/2004season/coloradostate/dwayne_jarrett.jpg

We got Santonio for WR in round 1 last year. We're still thin on talent at the position. Hines is getting older and eventually his body isn't going to allow him to get smashed on every play. Santonio looks like a Career #2. Thats not bad though, look at Reggie Wayne. I think Santonio is set at #2 and he'll light it up. Ced Wilson is our three and as much as I'd hope he'd explode out this season, he has, but not like I meant. He's dropped very catchable passes, made bonehead plays, and although he got screwed on his catch in the oakland game, he expects a call everytime he doesn't make a play. I think We are using 3 and 4 reciever sets more and we need to upgrade. Nate Washington has showed glimpses of solidness, but he's really untested and unproven. He's had some dropsies. He looks like he could be a solid #4. I think thats where he may be best serving. Willie Reid hasn't had a chance to prove he can play WR for us yet. So at this point i'm looking at him as only a return Specialist.

2) Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cmu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/229200.jpeg

Joe Staley is the best Tackle not to recieve 1st round grade. He could eventually make a run for LT. He's athletic and built. With Starks having issues with smaller athletic DE's I think Staley could come in after a year and out work Starks. Essex and Starks have weight problems and haven't shown me that they deserve the spot. Staley is a Pitt fan and he's a give it all kid. You won't find a better team player.

3a) Tony Hunt,RB, PSU
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2006/01/01-14-06cm/01-14-06dsports-13b2.jpg

Alot of people are calling for a bruiser. We need a short yardage guy. I was toying with signing a vet like Ladell Betts or Anthony Thomas, but they'll probably be expecting bigger money than I'm willing to offer. With Willie as Feature back, Najeh as our 3rd down back/Screen back/ KR, and Tony Hunt as our short yardage guy and splitting 3rd down time. I've watched a lot of Hunt. He won't put up huge 40' and will drop him. We know what he can offer and we know that his skillset is perfect. He has great hands, good vision, good cutback, and he has the ability to just bounce off defenders, I haven't seen many other guys just get hit 5-6 times before their finally tackled.

3b) Tanard Jackson, CB, Syracuse
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper522/stills/tx0im7q8.jpg

Being completely honest, he may not be here at this pick. He's accepted a senior bowl invite and I think the country will see how good he is. I think he could be Rashean Mathis in a few years. He's not as good coming out, but with some work and polishing, he could be a shutdown #2. I think McFadden could stay at Nickel for a while. He has trouble with faster WR's and I think he should cover the slot. Ike is a solid #1. Tanard would be an amazing #2. Bryant at #3, and Anthony Madison/Ricardo Colclough battle it out for #4.

4a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Oct/10110512bSack.jpg

Brian Smith reminds me of Adalius Thomas. He can Rush the passer, strong against the run, and I think he could jam the Slot reciever. He has solid size. I think at first, he and James Harrison will be top tier backups, but watch out for when he starts. He's 6'4 250lbs. I think He'll give us a solid pass rusher for the future, we're lucky he broke his hip.


4b)Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg

Nathan Bennett may be our best choice at guard in the entire draft. At 6'5 and 310 I think he's more than Athletic enough to play RG and pull. Fast enough to get out and block in front of Willie. I like Keomeatu but i think he may be too big for our offensive scheme. Bennett and Joe Staley anchoring the right side of the line has me really excited. I originally had him as a 5th rounder, but the more I think of it

5a) Ryan Kalil, OC, USC
http://images.athlonsports.com/d/840-2/Ryan+Kalil+.jpg

I know it's looking as if it's an incredibly USC focused draft and it is. Ryan Kalil has been really winning me over lately. He's athletic, smart, and he's a great blocker. I was hesitant to take him over Mozes. I think He'll be better for our offense as he seems more prone to our style. I think this is a solid Pickup so we have quite a few choices for next season.

5b)Isaiah Stanback, QB/WR, Washington
http://www.maxwaugh.com/images/fresno04/stanback.jpg

Isaiah has been heavily scouted by the Pittsburgh Steelers. As was Lawrence Jackson, Dwayne Jarrett and Ryan Kalil (with Cushing, Maualaga, and Rivers). He's Fast enough to run on the track team. He has good size. 6'3, 215 lbs. He could be given a shot as a QB behind Batch/Roethlisberger. If he does well, keep him like Seattle did with Seneca Wallace. Let him play WR but keep working him at both, then if an injury occurs sit him in case he needs to jump in at QB. He's got a strong arm. Can move around in the pocket, and is fairly accurate. He'd be a day 1 pick except he had a season ending injury. From the scouting reports I saw, he's coming along fine and he should be more than playable during pre-season. I think this is our next in a long line of Converted WR's. Although he has the ability to make the QB Rotation.

6a) Eric Foster, ILB, Rutgers
http://admin.scout.com/media/image/34/342862.jpg

Eric could very well make the transition for 3-4 ILB. In fact I think he's perfect for it. He's 6'3 265 lbs. I'm sure he'll be more than fast enough, and since he's played DT he knows how to disengage opposing offensive lineman. Sliding him back he will be able to diagnose the play and make an impact. He has played 6 years at ILB (2 in college 4 in HS). I'm quite sure that he'll be able to do it.

6b) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg

Ben Patrick is the quite possibly the most stout of the TE's in this draft. He's looking almost Defensive end size. 6'4 270lbs. He's a solid Blocker, and he still has the speed to go out and make a catch. We've all talked about Daniel Graham. I think he's trying to escape NE looking for someone in need of a TE (Bengals, Carolina). I think he could make the starting squad at least as #3 at first.

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Jun/25/FPI606250368V2_b.jpg

Rare blend of strength and speed at the 3-4 DE position in Hawaii. Has held the point very well in the games I saw. Could be a developemental prospect. I think he'll prove to be a better later round pickup than Harris and Nua.


All this said, we just sign our FA's back. Rodney Bailey, Najeh, Tyrone Carter.

Smooth Criminal
12-05-2006, 05:11 AM
I like this draft alot. I covers all of our needs and gets the BPA on the board. Jarret is sick and would make all our recieving core better.

diabsoule
12-05-2006, 06:39 AM
That is one of the best mocks for us that I've seen.

Mr. Stiller
12-05-2006, 07:03 AM
I like this draft alot. I covers all of our needs and gets the BPA on the board. Jarret is sick and would make all our recieving core better.

To be honest, as much as i love the first day...

I like the 2nd day better.... Bennett and Kalil... With Staley.. that locks our 3 in from the right, we have a all-pro LG and a off/on again Pro-Bowl LT.

Depth Chart:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger -> Charlie Batch -> Isaiah Stanback
RB: Willie Parker -> Najeh Davenport * Tony Hunt (With Najehs injury history I think Willie should get 15-20 carries, Tony/Najeh 5-15)
FB: Dan Kreider -> John Kuhn
WR: Hines Ward -> Dwayne Jarrett -> Lee Mays/Sean Morey
WR: Santonio Holmes -> Nate Washington -> Isaiah Stanback -> Willie Reid
TE: Heath Miller -> Jerame Tuman -> Ben Patrick

LT: Marvel Smith -> Joe Staley -> Trai Essex
LG: Alan Faneca -> Nathan Bennett
OC -> Ryan Kalil/Chukky Okobi/Marvin Phillip
RG -> Kendall Simmons -> Nathan Bennett ->Chris Komeatu
RT -> Joe Staley -> Willie Colon -> Trai Essex


Defense:

LDE: Aaron Smith -> Rodney Bailey -> Orien Harris
NT: Casey Hampton -> Chris Hoke -> Juan Underwood (UDFA)
RDE: Brett Keisel -> Travis Kirschke -> Shaun Nua ->Ikaika Alama-Francis

LOLB: Clark Haggans -> James Harrison -> Arnold Harrison
LILB: James Farrior -> Rian Wallace
RILB: Larry Foote -> Eric Foster -> Clint Kreidwaldt
ROLB: Joey Porter -> Brian Smith -> Ramon Guzman(UDFA)

LCB: Ike Taylor -> Tanard Jackson ->Anthony Madison
RCB: DeShea Townsend -> Bryant McFadden -> Chidi Iwuoma
FS: Anthony Smith -> Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Tyrone Carter(He's turned it up stepping in for Troy)

K: Jeff Reed
P: Chris Gardocki -> Mike Barr -> Adam Graessle(UDFA)

KR: Najeh Davenport & Willie Reid -> Chad Schroeder & Quinton Jones (UDFA Guys)
PR: Willie Reid / Chad Schroeder.



UDFA Guys:

QB:

Sawyer Smith, Portland State
Brett Ratliff, Utah

RB:

Jackie Battle, Houston (6'1 250lb Bruiser... Tony Hunt is a power runner... a bouncer, he's more of a tank and just runs over people)
Lonta Hobbs, TCU (Another UDFA Bruiser)

WR:

Chad Schroeder, Texas A&M
David Sutton, UTEP

OT:

Tala Esera, Hawaii
Tavo Taupola, Utah



DE:

Van Houston, Memphis
Shauntee Hunt, East Carolina
Marcus Smith, Arizona
Abu Ma'afala, Cal
Chris Harris, Bama
Chris Terell, Marshall
JP Bekasiak, Toledo
Shelton Bynum, North Carolina
Taurean Brown, Tulane


DT:

Juan Underwood, Marshall
Brian Gabourel, Central Florida


OLB:

Nick Roach, Northwestern
Jay Moore, Nebraska
Chase Pittman, LSU
Anthony Brown, Arkansas
Anthony Hills, Louisiana-Lafeyette
Derron Ware, Arizona State
Luke Adkins, Colorado State


MLB:

Kevin McCullough, Cincinnati
Jason DeMars, Nevada
DeMetrius Eaton, Northwestern..

CB:

Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech
Sergio Gilmon, Clemson


FS:

Leonard Peters, Hawaii
Kevin Payne, Louisiana-Monroe
Joey Card, Miami OH

SS:

Joe Sturdivant, SMU
Marvin White, TCU
Brandon Massey, Mizzou.

DeathbyStat
12-05-2006, 11:35 AM
I think Jarrett is the pick. Our wide outs are dreadfull outside of Hines.(and he will decline with age at a higher rate than most because of his style of play.) Corner and Oline look to be more immediate needs but we have stockpiled young talent at both of those positions in recent years. These young may not be any good but we need to give them a shot. Plus when we'l be picking I'm asssuming 9-12 all of the "elite" propects will likely be gone. Jarrett may be the only quasi elite guy left.

As far as worrying about another big wide out from USC I think Mike Williams's problem is his work ethic and attitude that have made his a failure more so than a slow forty time. If DJ turns out to be as productive as Keyshawn Johnson I'd be happy.

If you look at the reports of Plaxico when he came out he ran the same forty time and is the same height as Jarrett although Plax is twenty pounds heavier .

Jarrett=Plaxico
With better Hands

Anyway Mr Stiller, how do you know that Colbert has been scouting USC, I'm not saying your wrong I just wanted to know where you heard or read this information.

BigRob
12-05-2006, 02:09 PM
Mr. Stiller,

I too would like to know where your getting your scouting information. I have tried for awhile to figure out who the Steelers are scouting and can never seem to get a good read on it. Also, could you let us know who all the Steelers have scouted heavily? Thank you

Smooth Criminal
12-05-2006, 03:56 PM
I like this draft alot. I covers all of our needs and gets the BPA on the board. Jarret is sick and would make all our recieving core better.

To be honest, as much as i love the first day...

I like the 2nd day better.... Bennett and Kalil... With Staley.. that locks our 3 in from the right, we have a all-pro LG and a off/on again Pro-Bowl LT.

Depth Chart:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger -> Charlie Batch -> Isaiah Stanback
RB: Willie Parker -> Najeh Davenport * Tony Hunt (With Najehs injury history I think Willie should get 15-20 carries, Tony/Najeh 5-15)
FB: Dan Kreider -> John Kuhn
WR: Hines Ward -> Dwayne Jarrett -> Lee Mays/Sean Morey
WR: Santonio Holmes -> Nate Washington -> Isaiah Stanback -> Willie Reid
TE: Heath Miller -> Jerame Tuman -> Ben Patrick

LT: Marvel Smith -> Joe Staley -> Trai Essex
LG: Alan Faneca -> Nathan Bennett
OC -> Ryan Kalil/Chukky Okobi/Marvin Phillip
RG -> Kendall Simmons -> Nathan Bennett ->Chris Komeatu
RT -> Joe Staley -> Willie Colon -> Trai Essex


Defense:

LDE: Aaron Smith -> Rodney Bailey -> Orien Harris
NT: Casey Hampton -> Chris Hoke -> Juan Underwood (UDFA)
RDE: Brett Keisel -> Travis Kirschke -> Shaun Nua ->Ikaika Alama-Francis

LOLB: Clark Haggans -> James Harrison -> Arnold Harrison
LILB: James Farrior -> Rian Wallace
RILB: Larry Foote -> Eric Foster -> Clint Kreidwaldt
ROLB: Joey Porter -> Brian Smith -> Ramon Guzman(UDFA)

LCB: Ike Taylor -> Tanard Jackson ->Anthony Madison
RCB: DeShea Townsend -> Bryant McFadden -> Chidi Iwuoma
FS: Anthony Smith -> Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Tyrone Carter(He's turned it up stepping in for Troy)

K: Jeff Reed
P: Chris Gardocki -> Mike Barr -> Adam Graessle(UDFA)

KR: Najeh Davenport & Willie Reid -> Chad Schroeder & Quinton Jones (UDFA Guys)
PR: Willie Reid / Chad Schroeder.



UDFA Guys:

QB:

Sawyer Smith, Portland State
Brett Ratliff, Utah

RB:

Jackie Battle, Houston (6'1 250lb Bruiser... Tony Hunt is a power runner... a bouncer, he's more of a tank and just runs over people)
Lonta Hobbs, TCU (Another UDFA Bruiser)

WR:

Chad Schroeder, Texas A&M
David Sutton, UTEP

OT:

Tala Esera, Hawaii
Tavo Taupola, Utah



DE:

Van Houston, Memphis
Shauntee Hunt, East Carolina
Marcus Smith, Arizona
Abu Ma'afala, Cal
Chris Harris, Bama
Chris Terell, Marshall
JP Bekasiak, Toledo
Shelton Bynum, North Carolina
Taurean Brown, Tulane


DT:

Juan Underwood, Marshall
Brian Gabourel, Central Florida


OLB:

Nick Roach, Northwestern
Jay Moore, Nebraska
Chase Pittman, LSU
Anthony Brown, Arkansas
Anthony Hills, Louisiana-Lafeyette
Derron Ware, Arizona State
Luke Adkins, Colorado State


MLB:

Kevin McCullough, Cincinnati
Jason DeMars, Nevada
DeMetrius Eaton, Northwestern..

CB:

Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech
Sergio Gilmon, Clemson


FS:

Leonard Peters, Hawaii
Kevin Payne, Louisiana-Monroe
Joey Card, Miami OH

SS:

Joe Sturdivant, SMU
Marvin White, TCU
Brandon Massey, Mizzou.

Not a bad looking team. Its impossible to predict who we will get in late rounds or as UDFA but it looks good.

Only problem I have is that Okobi isn't the starter. He will definately be given the shot starting before a rookie taken in the 5th round.

Same at RT. I'm guessing Essex would come into camp as the starter.

Also McFadden deserves to be the starter over Townsend. Deshea will be even worse by netx year.

Mr. Stiller
12-05-2006, 04:00 PM
I'm sorry guys, I have a bit of inside information...My cousin is an intern in the Steelers orginization...


I can tell you this.

We've Scouted 4 players Very Heavily...


Dwayne Jarrett
Nathan Bennet
Isaiah Stanback
Brian Leonard


From Scouting those guys Colbert worked with the coaches during some meetings.


Draft day may be different. I'm just going off insider info..

Mr. Stiller
12-05-2006, 04:02 PM
Smooth I agree, but I don't know who will win the starters battle for all those positions. i love this draft but it's very realistic from the info I've gotten.

Smooth Criminal
12-05-2006, 04:03 PM
They've been calliny Okobi the future at center for years. I think he'll be given the shot. Plus he looked decent when he played this year and you never know what you'll get from a rookie lineman.

mikehop05
12-05-2006, 04:55 PM
yeah stiller i am definetly feeling that draft

i feel that it does BPA in most every scenario, and i feel that is what Pittsburgh needs the most.

I do think we may need to addresse pass rushers a little more, though. Smith is okay, but I don't think he will be there in the 4th, however, I wouldn't mind grabbing him in the 3rd where you have us picking Jackson.

richdg
12-05-2006, 05:43 PM
The only part of your draft I really don't like is Jarrett. As I have stated many times before, taking a WR in the first round is a waste. Go through the top 50 WR's in the league, and most of them were taking in the later rounds. Any draft "expert" if there is such a thing will tell you it take 2 full seasons for WR's to adjust to the NFL. Some of teh worst busts in teh last 10 years have been WR. I would rather take a stud olman or LB in the first, then pick up a wr later. But that is just me.

Smooth Criminal
12-05-2006, 08:20 PM
Problem I have with taking an OL or LB in the first is that they won't have much of an immediate impact on the team next season. Any OL or LB we get will just back up the current guys whose contracts arn't up and probably won't be cut. Plus there isn't a dominating LB in the class and the best OTs will probably be off the board already.

A guy like Jarrett could give us an awesome redzone threat as soon as he was here. Our recieving core needs more talent in it becuase Ward will never be as good as he has been again with all of his injuries and his age and Wilson is horrible. We have some young talent in Holmes and Washington but Washington has had alot of drops and Holmes isn't ready to be a #1. Jarrett and Holmes would give us a solid duo at reciever for years after Ward retires.

I understand the no 1st round reciever argument , esspecially after taking Edwards in the first, but there have been alot of recievers to get taken in the 1st round and turn out to be great. I don't think we should pass on a talent like Jarrett only because it is a high % bust position. Just because alot of recievers bust doesn't mean Jarrett will.

Mr. Stiller
12-05-2006, 10:10 PM
yeah stiller i am definetly feeling that draft

i feel that it does BPA in most every scenario, and i feel that is what Pittsburgh needs the most.

I do think we may need to addresse pass rushers a little more, though. Smith is okay, but I don't think he will be there in the 4th, however, I wouldn't mind grabbing him in the 3rd where you have us picking Jackson.

Brian Smith has a broken hip and he should only be back for the combine. He could very well drop to day 2. Same with Stanback.. We need a guy like Tanard and he's the most optimistic i'm being about a player during my draft. He should be a high second rounder at worst. He'll fall playing for a bad syracuse team. Just like Anthony Smith did.

THav916
12-05-2006, 10:32 PM
I like the draft as well. I'm all for BPA if there's not a stud LB, DE, or LT there in the first. One thing I'd prefer is no trading. Every single draft you trade. I'd rather look at worst case, or just basic case scenario, and if we happen to make a trade, look at it as an extra pick. Every mock you do expects an extra pick, so makes us almost expect another pick. Plus, predicting undrafted free agents borderlines ridiculous. Seems like a legit draft as of now though, and I like the players and positions we get. I feel as I was one of the first people to bring up the possibility of Jarrett, although I will say, I won't claim to be the first (cuz thats pointless) and there were several that agreed right off the bat. But i think a draft like this shows you can draft a different position than OT/LB 1st round and still end up getting a ton of needs. That's the reason I'm all for Alan Branch or Dwayne Jarrett in the 1st. But by no means skip a LT or LB for the hell of it.

mikehop05
12-05-2006, 10:40 PM
What if we win out and finish 9 - 7?

That is not out of the question at all, where do you think we will pick then?

Mr. Stiller
12-06-2006, 01:01 AM
I like the draft as well. I'm all for BPA if there's not a stud LB, DE, or LT there in the first. One thing I'd prefer is no trading. Every single draft you trade. I'd rather look at worst case, or just basic case scenario, and if we happen to make a trade, look at it as an extra pick. Every mock you do expects an extra pick, so makes us almost expect another pick. Plus, predicting undrafted free agents borderlines ridiculous. Seems like a legit draft as of now though, and I like the players and positions we get. I feel as I was one of the first people to bring up the possibility of Jarrett, although I will say, I won't claim to be the first (cuz thats pointless) and there were several that agreed right off the bat. But i think a draft like this shows you can draft a different position than OT/LB 1st round and still end up getting a ton of needs. That's the reason I'm all for Alan Branch or Dwayne Jarrett in the 1st. But by no means skip a LT or LB for the hell of it.

If thats the case... take out Tanard Jackson.

DeathbyStat
12-06-2006, 08:15 AM
What if we win out and finish 9 - 7?

That is not out of the question at all, where do you think we will pick then?

Won't happen so it doesn't matter.

TerribleEd
12-06-2006, 07:52 PM
In Scott's latest draft, he again has the Steelers taking Blalock, which I really don't agree with at pick #13.

What's interesting is that Ted Ginn Jr. is still available when the Steelers pick in this latest mock. Would he not entertain a serious consideration by the Steelers? I mean, you do want your 1st rounder to be a difference maker, whenever possible. I'd say Ginn fits that bill better than Justin Blalock.

I also find it interesting that Scott has LaMarr Woodley falling out of Rd 1. Could he be there when Steelers pick in Rd 2, and would he make a good OLB in the 3-4?

TerribleEd
12-06-2006, 07:52 PM
In Scott's latest draft, he again has the Steelers taking Blalock, which I really don't agree with at pick #13.

What's interesting is that Ted Ginn Jr. is still available when the Steelers pick in this latest mock. Would he not entertain a serious consideration by the Steelers? I mean, you do want your 1st rounder to be a difference maker, whenever possible. I'd say Ginn fits that bill better than Justin Blalock.

I also find it interesting that Scott has LaMarr Woodley falling out of Rd 1. Could he be there when Steelers pick in Rd 2, and would he make a good OLB in the 3-4?

TerribleEd
12-06-2006, 07:53 PM
In Scott's latest draft, he again has the Steelers taking Blalock, which I really don't agree with at pick #13.

What's interesting is that Ted Ginn Jr. is still available when the Steelers pick in this latest mock. Would he not entertain a serious consideration by the Steelers? I mean, you do want your 1st rounder to be a difference maker, whenever possible. I'd say Ginn fits that bill better than Justin Blalock.

I also find it interesting that Scott has LaMarr Woodley falling out of Rd 1. Could he be there when Steelers pick in Rd 2, and would he make a good OLB in the 3-4?

Smooth Criminal
12-06-2006, 08:39 PM
I think Jarrett is better than Ginn. Given the choice between Jarrett and Blaylock I'd take Jarrett.

As for Woodley, I think he'd be a good OLB. He'd take some time to develop but we don't have a starting role for him to fill next year anyway.

steelcrew43
12-06-2006, 09:10 PM
why cant ty carter play FS

mikehop05
12-06-2006, 11:28 PM
Carter can't play FS because he doesn't cover well in space... he can stay with a man one on one but in space he looks lost, confused, and often jumps underneath routes...

And Ginn will not be a possibility as we picked Santonio last year who is practically the same type of reciever... fast, agile, and small.

I wouldn't mind seeing us grab Jarrett if he is there, and I know Scott doesn't do trades in his mocks but I really think if the Steelers finish in the 10 - 16 pick range they will try to trade down.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 12:22 AM
Carter can't play FS because he doesn't cover well in space... he can stay with a man one on one but in space he looks lost, confused, and often jumps underneath routes...

And Ginn will not be a possibility as we picked Santonio last year who is practically the same type of reciever... fast, agile, and small.

I wouldn't mind seeing us grab Jarrett if he is there, and I know Scott doesn't do trades in his mocks but I really think if the Steelers finish in the 10 - 16 pick range they will try to trade down.


I can see us making moves after round 1.


Jake Long, Dwayne Jarrett will be there in round 1... i'm sure we'll take one of them.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 02:17 AM
Yeah i really hope we get one of the two.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 04:09 AM
Yeah i really hope we get one of the two.

You know, I was talking to my buddy and he really made me realize my judgement is pretty cloudy.


Think about this. The Oline we love to complain about, got Willie Parker 1200+ Yards and took us to a superbowl last year. Albeit it could use upgrades, it's our first look because of depth... We don't know for sure how well the depth is..

Marvel will be a FA in 2009 which if he demands too much money, A guy like Jake Long will be good to have. I'm not sold on Essex. He did good in spot work.

So with that said, I'm attacking my mock differently.


Rd 1) Jake Long,OT, Michigan

With no needs in round 1 per se that can be answered by round 1 players. I really wanted Jarrett, but Ward still has atleast 3-5 years in him, Holmes has done well as a #2. I know some aren't high on Washington but he really impressed me last week. Ced Wilson is good enough for a #3 or #4 WR. Willie Reid will actually get a chance to shine next year.

Long gives us a Great Tackle prospect. They'll decide about the oline. Whether Starks stays or goes, who knows at this point... Jake Long gives us a potential starter if that were to happen if not we have a future star in wait.

Rd 2) Dan Bazuin, DE -> OLB, Central Michigan

Normally I gun for David Harris or Joe Staley here, Dan Bazuin is perfect. He's got enough size and has the speed to learn in the rafters for OLB. he's 6'2/6'3 257 lbs. He has good enough speed and is agile enough to drop in coverage. I won't say I'm the first to think of this move, but i haven't read it ( or remember it) Some say he's overrated, i've seen him twice and was impressed.. I think he'll be a monster to replace Porter.

rd 3) Tony Hunt, Rb, PSU

We need a short yardage guy and Hunt is by far the best in the draft.

rd 4a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri

We have to replenish the depth/talent Pool because Harrison/Porter/Haggans are fairly old

4b) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

he's very underrated and could be a steal. We only have Keomeatu as a back up at gaurd, getting Bennett will give us not only solid depth but a potential future starter.

5a) Ryan Kalil, OC, USC

Reminds me of Jeff Hartings, but I think he'll give us great depth at center. We'll have the pick of the litter between Okobi, Phillip, Kalil

5b) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

Charles Davis was picked at the same pick, but he bombed, Ben Patrick is already a well-polished blocker, He also has solid hands. No breakaway speed, but I'll sacrifice speed for a solid #2 Blocking TE.

6) Eric Foster

We have 2 guys behind Farrior... I'm not sure if Wallace can be a solid starter or not. He's had a great mentor from Farrior. I think Foster could take some time and make the move from DT (6'3 265 lbs) to MLB. He's played the position for 6 years, just needs to learn the 3-4

7) Ikaika Alama Francis

Solid 3-4 DE.. 6'6 290 lbs and very strong. ps player for about a year or 2 then possible major impact.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 12:51 PM
i like the mock except i dont think we need 2 OLB"s

Harrison isnt that old and though haggans didn't play great this year, Porter still draws attention from the Offense with his play making ability.

I think in round 2 maybe we should go david harris, Farrior will be... 32? next season and Foote... 30? if i am not mistaken. Actually, if by some reason he is still there I would love to get Buster Davis. I think this guy is a playmaker and everytime I watch FSU it seems he is always around the ball. Not the Prototypical ILB size at 5'10", but when you run the 3-4 your ILB's dont need to be monsters. I believe Ray Lewis is only 5'11" (not making a comparison just pointing that out).

I love Brian Smith in round 4, I think he'd be a steal there for us... He reminds me of picking Porter in round 3.

And as always, i love the Hunt pick. If we grab him or Leonard I would estatic.

BigRob
12-07-2006, 02:17 PM
i like the mock except i dont think we need 2 OLB"s

Harrison isnt that old and though haggans didn't play great this year, Porter still draws attention from the Offense with his play making ability.

I think in round 2 maybe we should go david harris, Farrior will be... 32? next season and Foote... 30? if i am not mistaken. Actually, if by some reason he is still there I would love to get Buster Davis. I think this guy is a playmaker and everytime I watch FSU it seems he is always around the ball. Not the Prototypical ILB size at 5'10", but when you run the 3-4 your ILB's dont need to be monsters. I believe Ray Lewis is only 5'11" (not making a comparison just pointing that out).

I love Brian Smith in round 4, I think he'd be a steal there for us... He reminds me of picking Porter in round 3.

And as always, i love the Hunt pick. If we grab him or Leonard I would estatic.

Larry Foote is 26, a far cry from 30. He is playing great this year and will anchor one of our ILB spots for years. Goo Wallace has shown some great potential and could eventually replace Farrior. Farrior has at least one more year in him, but I would definitely grab Patrick Willis or David Harris is available.

Harrison is 29 this year, but hasn't played that much so still has great burst. Haggans is having a poor year compared to last year. I think we need at least a OLB in the first 3 rounds and pick up a project like Smith in the 4th.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 02:55 PM
i like the mock except i dont think we need 2 OLB"s

Harrison isnt that old and though haggans didn't play great this year, Porter still draws attention from the Offense with his play making ability.

I think in round 2 maybe we should go david harris, Farrior will be... 32? next season and Foote... 30? if i am not mistaken. Actually, if by some reason he is still there I would love to get Buster Davis. I think this guy is a playmaker and everytime I watch FSU it seems he is always around the ball. Not the Prototypical ILB size at 5'10", but when you run the 3-4 your ILB's dont need to be monsters. I believe Ray Lewis is only 5'11" (not making a comparison just pointing that out).

I love Brian Smith in round 4, I think he'd be a steal there for us... He reminds me of picking Porter in round 3.

And as always, i love the Hunt pick. If we grab him or Leonard I would estatic.

Larry Foote is 26, a far cry from 30. He is playing great this year and will anchor one of our ILB spots for years. Goo Wallace has shown some great potential and could eventually replace Farrior. Farrior has at least one more year in him, but I would definitely grab Patrick Willis or David Harris is available.

Harrison is 29 this year, but hasn't played that much so still has great burst. Haggans is having a poor year compared to last year. I think we need at least a OLB in the first 3 rounds and pick up a project like Smith in the 4th.


I agree about MLB, outside of David Harris, There is only 1 guy... I'll redo the mock here in a few.

D-Unit
12-07-2006, 03:13 PM
Will Nate Washington have a big game tonight?

bigbluedefense
12-07-2006, 03:15 PM
Will Nate Washington have a big game tonight?

Lol, back at it eh?

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 03:20 PM
Will Nate Washington have a big game tonight?

He did pretty solid against tampa...

Why?

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 03:21 PM
Mock

Round 1)

Jake Long, OT, Michigan

Long will give us depth at Tackle. Something at this point we all question. Is Essex Startable? Has colon progressed? Will Starks be around? Well this way if no to any of those questions... here is the solution. Long could come in and be the best LT on the team... How awesome would it be to have him show how good he is and move Marvel back to RT?

Round 2)

Daniel Bazuin, OLB, Central Michigan

Dan Bazuin has quite possibly the best motor at DE in this draft. I think he's the best guy we could take Day 1. He's 6'3 and 260 lbs. He has the size, strength, and speed to make a great 3-4 OLB.

Round 3)

Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State

Need a bruiser and Hunt is the best in the draft. He'll be a great 3rd down back, between Him, Najeh and Willie we're set for a while.

Round 4a)

Justin Warren, MLB, Texas A&M

Has double digit tackles 4 times this season and is merely 10 away from 100. He's a thumper inside, but even at 6'3 250 lbs, he has the speed to cover.

Round 4b)

Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri

We do need a second OLB. Bazuin could contribute early, while Smith could learn in the rafters. We have 3 guys hitting 30. Porter, Haggans and James Harrison. We need the depth soon because our top 3 are quite aged.

Round 5a)

Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

I don't think many people know about Bennett but he's way underrated and is a huge reason for Spiller and Davis' success.

Round 5b)

Isaiah Stanback, QB/WR, Washington

He's fast and big enough to be a great Gadget/Possession WR, but he's done well at the QB position. Let him work his way into both ... He certainly has an arm better than El and comparable to Ben... God what Wiz could do with this kid.

Round 6)

Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

a 6'3 270lb Blocking TE that can recieve... Tuman is getting old and we don't have a true #2 on the roster. getting Patrick will give us a solid backup for years to come and allow us to run successfuly 2 TE sets.

Round 7)

Ikaika Alama-Francis

at 6'6 290 lbs, he is a samoan that was recruited for BBall. Keeping that Athleticism and playing 3-4 DE for 2 years, should make him a great prospect for us. I see him like Aaron Smith. Although the Dline could be addressed earlier the next year.

D-Unit
12-07-2006, 03:21 PM
Will Nate Washington have a big game tonight?

Lol, back at it eh?
Har har har... This is for fantasy football reasons. :lol:

I know what bet I want already.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 03:56 PM
Will Nate Washington have a big game tonight?

Lol, back at it eh?
Har har har... This is for fantasy football reasons. :lol:

I know what bet I want already.

He did good against TB, I don't know who Bodden will cover more Holmes or Washington, but I wouldn't doubt him to have a breakout game here soon.

TerribleEd
12-07-2006, 03:59 PM
Fantasy Land Draft:

I see alot of "fantasy" drafts here, so I thought I'd do my own for shits n giggles.

Free Agency - Steelers resign Max Starks to a one year contract giving him a chance to redeem himself.

Steelers sign UFA, Daniel Graham, TE, from N.E. Patriots

Draft position: 7th (Steelers lost 2 of 3 to Carolina, Cincinnati, Baltimore)

Draft Day Trades:

Steelers trade down in the first (from 7 to 12) along with their 4th and 5th rounders in return for #12 in 1st Rd and #12 in 2nd round.

Steelers trade their #7 in 2nd round along with their 3rd rounder to move up to number 23 in the 1st round.

Their draft looks like this:

1.12: Patrick Willis, ILB, Ole Miss
1.23: LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan
2.12: Brian Leonard, RB/FB, Rutgers
4(comp): Ryan Kalil, C, USC
5(comp): John Beck, QB, BYU
6: Brian Daniels, G, Colorado
7: Antonio Johnson, DT/DE, Mississippi State

D-Unit
12-07-2006, 04:13 PM
Fantasy Land Draft:

I see alot of "fantasy" drafts here, so I thought I'd do my own for shits n giggles.

Free Agency - Steelers resign Max Starks to a one year contract giving him a chance to redeem himself.

Steelers sign UFA, Daniel Graham, TE, from N.E. Patriots

Draft position: 7th (Steelers lost 2 of 3 to Carolina, Cincinnati, Baltimore)

Draft Day Trades:

Steelers trade down in the first (from 7 to 12) along with their 4th and 5th rounders in return for #12 in 1st Rd and #12 in 2nd round.

Steelers trade their #7 in 2nd round along with their 3rd rounder to move up to number 23 in the 1st round.

Their draft looks like this:

1.12: Patrick Willis, ILB, Ole Miss
1.23: LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan
2.12: Brian Leonard, RB/FB, Rutgers
4(comp): Ryan Kalil, C, USC
5(comp): John Beck, QB, BYU
6: Brian Daniels, G, Colorado
7: Antonio Johnson, DT/DE, Mississippi State
Highly unlikely that Ryan Kalil will be there in Round 4.

I like John Beck.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 04:36 PM
D-Unit,

Centers fall..

outside Mangold.... Eslinger fell to round 6 after being ranked #1 for 90% of the season..

Only 3 were drafted last year for Center.

only 1 before round 6.

Mangold - rd 1 -> Center
Chester - rd 2 -> Gaurd
Cook - rd 2 -> Tackle
Spitz - rd 3 -> Gaurd
Eslinger - rd 6 -> Center
Phillip - rd 6 -> Center
Martin - rd 7 -> PS?
Morris - rd 7 -> PS?
Whitley - rd 7 -> PS?



I'm also a huge fan of John Beck. I've talked to him on a few occasions. He's a real blue chip guy. I wanna see him start somewhere, only reason I don't want Pittsburgh to draft him.


D-Unit I'd start someone over Nate Washington.. It's a White-out in Pittsburgh. It's a running day.

D-Unit
12-07-2006, 04:41 PM
D-Unit,

Centers fall..

outside Mangold.... Eslinger fell to round 6 after being ranked #1 for 90% of the season..

Only 3 were drafted last year for Center.

only 1 before round 6.

Mangold - rd 1 -> Center
Chester - rd 2 -> Gaurd
Cook - rd 2 -> Tackle
Spitz - rd 3 -> Gaurd
Eslinger - rd 6 -> Center
Phillip - rd 6 -> Center
Martin - rd 7 -> PS?
Morris - rd 7 -> PS?
Whitley - rd 7 -> PS?



I'm also a huge fan of John Beck. I've talked to him on a few occasions. He's a real blue chip guy. I wanna see him start somewhere, only reason I don't want Pittsburgh to draft him.


D-Unit I'd start someone over Nate Washington.. It's a White-out in Pittsburgh. It's a running day.
OK thanks.

On Kalil... If Mel Kiper's 17th ranked player on his Big Board falls to Round 4.... uhh....

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 04:44 PM
D-Unit,

Centers fall..

outside Mangold.... Eslinger fell to round 6 after being ranked #1 for 90% of the season..

Only 3 were drafted last year for Center.

only 1 before round 6.

Mangold - rd 1 -> Center
Chester - rd 2 -> Gaurd
Cook - rd 2 -> Tackle
Spitz - rd 3 -> Gaurd
Eslinger - rd 6 -> Center
Phillip - rd 6 -> Center
Martin - rd 7 -> PS?
Morris - rd 7 -> PS?
Whitley - rd 7 -> PS?



I'm also a huge fan of John Beck. I've talked to him on a few occasions. He's a real blue chip guy. I wanna see him start somewhere, only reason I don't want Pittsburgh to draft him.


D-Unit I'd start someone over Nate Washington.. It's a White-out in Pittsburgh. It's a running day.
OK thanks.

On Kalil... If Mel Kiper's 17th ranked player on his Big Board falls to Round 4.... uhh....

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html


The world will make sense again.

He isn't exactly the best guy for that.

I doubt we take a center next year. Hartings will retire but we have Phillip and Okobi.


What does everyone think of my latest mock.

D-Unit
12-07-2006, 05:50 PM
D-Unit,

Centers fall..

outside Mangold.... Eslinger fell to round 6 after being ranked #1 for 90% of the season..

Only 3 were drafted last year for Center.

only 1 before round 6.

Mangold - rd 1 -> Center
Chester - rd 2 -> Gaurd
Cook - rd 2 -> Tackle
Spitz - rd 3 -> Gaurd
Eslinger - rd 6 -> Center
Phillip - rd 6 -> Center
Martin - rd 7 -> PS?
Morris - rd 7 -> PS?
Whitley - rd 7 -> PS?



I'm also a huge fan of John Beck. I've talked to him on a few occasions. He's a real blue chip guy. I wanna see him start somewhere, only reason I don't want Pittsburgh to draft him.


D-Unit I'd start someone over Nate Washington.. It's a White-out in Pittsburgh. It's a running day.
OK thanks.

On Kalil... If Mel Kiper's 17th ranked player on his Big Board falls to Round 4.... uhh....

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html


The world will make sense again.

He isn't exactly the best guy for that.

I doubt we take a center next year. Hartings will retire but we have Phillip and Okobi.


What does everyone think of my latest mock.
Yeah, he isn't the best guy, but Kalil is no sleeper.

BigRob
12-07-2006, 05:53 PM
Nathan Bennett.

How good is this guy really. Is he a steal in round 4 or is he similar to Colon, Essex, etc....? Can he be a Faneca type?

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 06:00 PM
Nathan Bennett.

How good is this guy really. Is he a steal in round 4 or is he similar to Colon, Essex, etc....? Can he be a Faneca type?

I see alot of Faneca in him... In fact, I think he could be better than Faneca if he keeps working hard. Thats a mouthful, but the kid is great.


He's a steal round 4 and should be a future starter hands down.

I wouldn't be surprised they jump on him earlier (like Colon last year), he will be a day 2 steal.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 06:01 PM
D-Unit,

Centers fall..

outside Mangold.... Eslinger fell to round 6 after being ranked #1 for 90% of the season..

Only 3 were drafted last year for Center.

only 1 before round 6.

Mangold - rd 1 -> Center
Chester - rd 2 -> Gaurd
Cook - rd 2 -> Tackle
Spitz - rd 3 -> Gaurd
Eslinger - rd 6 -> Center
Phillip - rd 6 -> Center
Martin - rd 7 -> PS?
Morris - rd 7 -> PS?
Whitley - rd 7 -> PS?



I'm also a huge fan of John Beck. I've talked to him on a few occasions. He's a real blue chip guy. I wanna see him start somewhere, only reason I don't want Pittsburgh to draft him.


D-Unit I'd start someone over Nate Washington.. It's a White-out in Pittsburgh. It's a running day.
OK thanks.

On Kalil... If Mel Kiper's 17th ranked player on his Big Board falls to Round 4.... uhh....

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html


The world will make sense again.

He isn't exactly the best guy for that.

I doubt we take a center next year. Hartings will retire but we have Phillip and Okobi.


What does everyone think of my latest mock.
Yeah, he isn't the best guy, but Kalil is no sleeper.

I was talking about Kiper.

He could be early day 2 to 3rd round..

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 06:02 PM
How sad is it after this week we could still make the playoffs.

we're 2 games from the Wild card.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 07:20 PM
if anyone can watch the game can you let me know how people are looking?

not necessarily stats and plays cuz i can follow it through ESPN, but just things that you can see on TV but not on the internet.

Thanks.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:32 PM
if anyone can watch the game can you let me know how people are looking?

not necessarily stats and plays cuz i can follow it through ESPN, but just things that you can see on TV but not on the internet.

Thanks.

Leigh Bodden just got Whooped by a Nate Washington double move TD!

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:35 PM
Anthony Smith is doing amazing but he needs to wrap up than go for the big hit, but he's been around the ball every play.

steelcrew43
12-07-2006, 07:41 PM
if anyone can watch the game can you let me know how people are looking?

not necessarily stats and plays cuz i can follow it through ESPN, but just things that you can see on TV but not on the internet.

Thanks.

Leigh Bodden just got Whooped by a Nate Washington double move TD!

haha D-UINT

yea i just saw that play smith had on the screen passs

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:44 PM
if anyone can watch the game can you let me know how people are looking?

not necessarily stats and plays cuz i can follow it through ESPN, but just things that you can see on TV but not on the internet.

Thanks.

Leigh Bodden just got Whooped by a Nate Washington double move TD!

haha D-UINT

yea i just saw that play smith had on the screen passs

Anthony Smith is why i wish people who are calling for a ball hawking Safety actually watch him.. this kid could eventually be a pro-bowler.. He's that Good, and is always around the ball. He's made 3 big plays tonight... knocking Edwards, droughns and smacking Winslow.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 07:45 PM
awesome,

i loved anthony smith for the 2nd half last week

and yea i saw washington got a TD i wondered how that happened

thanks and keep me posted!

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:45 PM
Parker should have caught that, if he caught it that was atleast 30 yards.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:46 PM
Wow from one UDFA to another, Walter Young nice way to find a soft spot in coverage.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:49 PM
If i see another Steeler fan saying they want rid of Sean Morey... I'll slap them Morey has been the most reliable person we've had in ST and WR this season.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:52 PM
Nate Washington is really makeing me think we don't need a WR..

Leigh pulled bodden down a tad early... but could have gone either way..

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:54 PM
Wow, our Offensive Line is showing up.

I've never seen holes that big all season..Marvel just ran David and Jackson back 6 yards...

Starks is man handeling McGinnest.

Sean Jones trying to attack Nate Washington.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 07:56 PM
that had to hurt, I heard the smack of that ball it had to be frozen.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 07:59 PM
damn i wish i could actually see this

what happened?

why didnt we get a TD?

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:02 PM
damn i wish i could actually see this

what happened?

why didnt we get a TD?

Nate Washington just dropped a diving catch ( it was hard).

Ben overthrew Heath Miller (Lost the handle).

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:02 PM
Porter just grabbed Droughns behind the line, and Aaron Smith blasted him.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:03 PM
hell yeah sounds like we came to play tonight

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:05 PM
They have, this is the superbowl team of last year.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:05 PM
wow did we actually get a return from holmes???

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:06 PM
wow did we actually get a return from holmes???

to the 40.. broke 4 tackles... with no fumble.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:08 PM
wow did we actually get a return from holmes???

to the 40.. broke 4 tackles... with no fumble.

Wow.. the DB totally tripped up holmes... Holmes slowed up and Holly was dragging him back a bit.. he totally shoule of gotten a PI

Oh damn...

Willie breaks a 20 yard run .. our OLine destroyed the defense and fumbles.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:12 PM
Anderson Fumbles!

he's ruled down..

wheres the flag Billy?

Our Ball!!!!!

his knee wasn't down..

Our defense is stepping up. I think we still have a solid shot at the playoffs.. with a tie-breaker over KC in our favor.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:15 PM
who all has to lose?

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:18 PM
who all has to lose?

We have to win out and I think Cincy, KC and a few others.. i can't remember them all.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:19 PM
wow our Oline is killing peeps.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:26 PM
again the fumbleitis again.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:31 PM
who fumbled?

willie is over 100 already?? damn.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:32 PM
who fumbled?

willie is over 100 already?? damn.

Najeh Davenport fumbled.

If Willie gets 200 yards he moves up to #3 in the NFL.. meaning the top 3 RB's are in the AFC.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:33 PM
lol

the playoffs should be the best 12 teams, period. Regardless of what conference.

steelcrew43
12-07-2006, 08:35 PM
3 and 15 draw play to nejah for 13 yards haha

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:39 PM
Our rookies are making me forget we have pro-bowlers at their positions..


they're doing that good.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:41 PM
whose making plays?

Anthony Smith and who else?

Holmes?

Is Okobi playing?

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 08:55 PM
whose making plays?

Anthony Smith and who else?

Holmes?

Is Okobi playing?

Hartings is playing, and he's looking like he did 2 years ago ... without the bad knees.


MVP thus far...

OLine, Anthony Smith, Aaron Smith, Joey Porter, Tyrone Carter, Nate Washington.

Holmes made 2 good catches i think, he just needs a bit more experience.


Jaguars, Chiefs, Cincy and Denver... those are the 4 leading for 2 Wild Cards.


Jaguars have self destructed... the Browns knocked off the Chiefs and we have the Tie-breaker on them... Denver is starting a rookie.. Cincy is getting hot so we need to knocke them off with a bigger point differential than they beat us with...



However:

Cincy:

Oakland, Denver, Baltimore and Pittsburgh. We need them to lose all games.. because they're 7-5 right now. we're 2 games behind. We have to win out.. meaning we have to beat Cincy... I think Baltimore Beats them next time... Denver I'm not sure of and Oakland is a team that has no offense so.. I'm not sure that Cincy doesn't get a playoff spot.


Jacksonville:

They have Indy, Tennessee, NE and KC. I think we have to hope they lose to everyone but KC.


Denver:

Probably the easiest road to the playoffs:

They play SD once, Zona, SF and Cincy. I think they have to lose out but beat cincy.


Kansas City:

Baltimore, SD, Oakland, and Jacksonville... they have to lose out and beat Jax.

mikehop05
12-07-2006, 08:58 PM
there is hope left!

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 09:01 PM
there is hope left!

Very Slim, but this team is making their usual late season run.

Parker is looking at 200 yards.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 09:03 PM
Beautiful catch by Santonio Holmes.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 09:21 PM
And Willie Parker is rediculous


212 Yards...

Season total -> 1188 yards.. he still has a quarter to go.. they might as well let him pad his stats.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 09:27 PM
I LOVE ANTHONY SMITH... INT.


Hop, are you on scout?

I'm 2mdPittFan

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 09:34 PM
And Willie Parker is rediculous


212 Yards...

Season total -> 1188 yards.. he still has a quarter to go.. they might as well let him pad his stats.

1199 yards..

Keep him going..

steelcrew43
12-07-2006, 10:11 PM
haha u didnt have parker in the mvp list

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 10:18 PM
haha u didnt have parker in the mvp list


He didn't turn it up until the second half... post my MVP to that point list.

Parker is hands down the MVP of the steelers almost every game, just today the line actually showed up.


The Browns tried to blitz us the way Baltimore succeeded, we have a package to defeat it now.

skarocksoi
12-07-2006, 10:57 PM
Looks like everybody showed up to play tonight. Washington and Holmes looked really good, and Anthony Smith was just killing guys. He needs to wrap up a little better, but he looked like a mini-Polamalu tonight, just flying around everywhere. I dont know how long we have Clark under contract for, but he looks like a star and needs to get a real shot to play.

DeathbyStat
12-07-2006, 10:59 PM
Mr. Clark time to take a seat firmly on the bench. Cause Anthony Smith has your job.

Mr. Stiller
12-07-2006, 11:41 PM
Looks like everybody showed up to play tonight. Washington and Holmes looked really good, and Anthony Smith was just killing guys. He needs to wrap up a little better, but he looked like a mini-Polamalu tonight, just flying around everywhere. I dont know how long we have Clark under contract for, but he looks like a star and needs to get a real shot to play.

Clark was cheap.. He should be a backup....


A Smith -> Ryan Clark
Troy P -> Tyrone Carter

Thats a hell of a safety core.

Our secondary is set.. we have 5 young guys and 1 vet.

OUr LB core needs Youth.. our top 3 LBs are over 30 next season.

Our Dline is pretty young except Aaron Smith, theirs no one over 6 years pro.

Alan Faneca is the only guy that may need a backup, he turned 30 today. Nathan Bennett is that guy... I really think he could be Better than Faneca some day if not, atleast AS good.


Our RB situation is good but Najeh is injury prone and is better for his speed/finesse than his power. Tony Hunt.



After Tonight... I don't know what way we go in round 1.. Our young guys playing like Vets makes me say we don't need OT round 1.

Mr. Stiller
12-08-2006, 12:07 AM
1) Patrick Willis, MLB, Ole Miss
http://taken2thextreme.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/willis.jpg.w300h421.jpg
A Solid guy to take over when Farrior leaves.

2) Anthony Spencer, OLB, Purdue.
http://www.purdueexponent.org/2004/09/27/images/Spencer.jpg
A 6'3 265 pass Rush Specialist with Speed and non stop motor. Could make the transition the easiest of everyone I've seen.

3) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/151/zhuntgn8.png
Short Yardage and 3rd down back, to split time with Najeh as he's not the answer for Short Yardage. We don't need Michael Bush because he's essentially a slower version of Najeh.

4a) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg
Bennett Really reminds me of Faneca.. Athletic and Smart. Strong and fast. He is a good pass protector and can rush block for speed and power.. Did well for the rushing duo of Spiller/Davis.

4b) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Oct/10110512bSack.jpg
With our top 3 OLBS hitting their 30's soon, the lack of a pass rush we add a guy that if healthy and without an injury could be a round 1/2 pick. Gives us solid depth and a potential future Starter.

5a) Justin Warren, MLB, Texas A&M
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/26/263115.jpg
Kreidwaldt can't play for many more years. He's been so-so in his spot time, but adding another Young talent behind Kreidwaldt to give us solid depth and this kid is a 3 down ILB. He's 6'3 245 lbs now, he's a thumper, but he can drop in coverage in the 3 games i've seen. helps us build a young but talented LB core.. Gives us depth which, we could use with all the injuries this year.

5b) Isaiah Stanback, QB/WR, Washington
http://www.maxwaugh.com/images/osu04/stanback2.jpg
We tried Omar Jacobs last year and he couldn't grasp the playbook.. A stronger arm, better build and faster legs could at worst give us depth at WR if he doesn't pull off QB. I think he could though and if at WR, gives us a great gadget play because he has 3 times the arm that Randel El had.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/17/179697.jpg
Ben is a blocking TE that can catch. He's 6'3 270 lbs. He has good hands but his niche is his blocking. He'll allow us to phase out Jerame Tuman and let us do more 2 TE sets where he can take the DE out of the equation and give Danimal a break. Former Duke TE.

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Jun/25/FPI606250368V2_b.jpg
A 6'6 talented monster that has 2 years experience in a 3-4 at Hawaii. PS player and could make an impact after a few years.


I don't think Tackle should be addressed per se.. This is the oline that led us to the superbowl last year.. I think it's just showing how much the cowher issue is affecting the team. This is by far my favorite draft.

Gives us a very very solid depth and future at LB.. which we've failed to really address properly.

CDub
12-08-2006, 01:43 AM
Game recap:

Who were thos guys lining up in front of Ben, and what did they do with those overweight, outta shape, unmotivated guys who'd been there all year?!?!? As stiller mentioned, they looked like last year's line. If they keep this up, maybe we won't have to put such an emphasis on using a high round pick on a lineman, though I'd still like to get one on the first day.

Ahhh the enigma that is Nate Washington. Just when I think he's starting to prove me wrong and that he could be more than just a #3 guy, he turns around a kicks me in the nuts. 2 TD's dropped. Maybe the answer is to play him between the 20's and sit him in the red zone. :wink:

Santonio slowed up on that deep pass over the middle and looked as though he badly misjudged the ball. Granted there should have been a flag thrown for DPI, but he definetly slowed up on his own. He made up for it later, however, with a very nice grab that Ben put right on the money where only he could get it.

Even though both our young guys played pretty well tonight, I still would like a stud big guy.

Anthony Smith looked like we might have our own Roy Williams on our hands. Once he learns all the ins and outs of our D, he will be a beast! Here's hoping he doesn't hurt himself with some of those big hits. He was just leveling guys! Like I've said before, S is one position that we are pretty well set at and I don't see a need to make any moves there.

McFadden also played very well and looked like the guy we were hoping he'd turn into. If he keeps progressing and if Ike can return to last year's form, we could have a very good set of starting CBs, letting us look for some more quality depth as Deshea is getting older and I'm not sure what Colclough's future is.

The D played well on the whole, however, we were helped by a lot of dropped passes by the Browns WRs. Jurevicious was the only one who could hold onto the ball and he seemed to be open all the time. We still could not produce a sufficient pass rush. 37 attempts from a second year guy making his first start and we got 0, yes 0, sacks. I thought this would be another game for Joey to pad his stats and make it look like he's having a better year than he is, but again he did nothing. Youth at ILB is still high on the priority list and finding a stud OLB early is still a very good idea. The D-line played well and the only thing I could see us doing is just looking for some late round depth.

Willie (oviously) looked very good again tonight. He was making his decision quickly and bolting, no pitter patter behind the line. Depending on what happens with Verron and Najeh, I wouldn't mind picking up a guy like Hunt in the 3rd or Wynn in the later rounds

Mr. Stiller
12-08-2006, 02:06 AM
Game recap:

Who were thos guys lining up in front of Ben, and what did they do with those overweight, outta shape, unmotivated guys who'd been there all year?!?!? As stiller mentioned, they looked like last year's line. If they keep this up, maybe we won't have to put such an emphasis on using a high round pick on a lineman, though I'd still like to get one on the first day.

I think We need a Backup Gaurd.. if they continue to play well we have 3 centers and only need Phillip as a backup, but Faneca could use a guy to groom.... Nathan Bennett


Ahhh the enigma that is Nate Washington. Just when I think he's starting to prove me wrong and that he could be more than just a #3 guy, he turns around a kicks me in the nuts. 2 TD's dropped. Maybe the answer is to play him between the 20's and sit him in the red zone. :wink:

He's still a young WR.. He hasn't been on the field in the pros. He doesn't know that Ben is going to throw it to his back shoulder. He's only had 1 year, but from UDFA I'm very impressed with his progress and I'm not so concerned about a big guy.


Santonio slowed up on that deep pass over the middle and looked as though he badly misjudged the ball. Granted there should have been a flag thrown for DPI, but he definetly slowed up on his own. He made up for it later, however, with a very nice grab that Ben put right on the money where only he could get it.

Yea I think he lost the ball in the lights, but that CB was dragging him and should have been a flag. He's showing great progression and I think if he continues this building even for another season or two... he's going to be a monster.

Even though both our young guys played pretty well tonight, I still would like a stud big guy.

I really put some thought on this, and even though it's a luxury, it's not a necesity.. we have 2 big play guys and we haven't seen what Willie Reid can offer and I still want Stanbeck.

Anthony Smith looked like we might have our own Roy Williams on our hands. Once he learns all the ins and outs of our D, he will be a beast! Here's hoping he doesn't hurt himself with some of those big hits. He was just leveling guys! Like I've said before, S is one position that we are pretty well set at and I don't see a need to make any moves there.

I think Anthony Smith is a ball hawk and not a liability in coverage, therefore not Roy Williams. However, He needs to learn to wrap up some. He went for the big hit and he can land it. We have 2 violent controlled safeties... wait 3.... err 4. He just needs to learn that it's fine to make the big hit, but not if it's going to give up a TD. Carter and Clark would give us great backups. I think Logan Retires this year. Leaving us with An smith and Clark at FS, Troy P and Mini Troy (Tyrone) at SS.

McFadden also played very well and looked like the guy we were hoping he'd turn into. If he keeps progressing and if Ike can return to last year's form, we could have a very good set of starting CBs, letting us look for some more quality depth as Deshea is getting older and I'm not sure what Colclough's future is.

Don't forget.. Ike, Bryant, Anthony(Madison), Ricardo, and Chidi(He's back) are all young guys. I think before we invest in another CB, McFadden has been doing well and Ike just needs the coach's trust and a pass rush. I think We'll be ok there.. UDFA or a small UFA Signing.

The D played well on the whole, however, we were helped by a lot of dropped passes by the Browns WRs. Jurevicious was the only one who could hold onto the ball and he seemed to be open all the time. We still could not produce a sufficient pass rush. 37 attempts from a second year guy making his first start and we got 0, yes 0, sacks. I thought this would be another game for Joey to pad his stats and make it look like he's having a better year than he is, but again he did nothing. Youth at ILB is still high on the priority list and finding a stud OLB early is still a very good idea. The D-line played well and the only thing I could see us doing is just looking for some late round depth.

With this said, I totally agree, Aaron Smith look rejuvenated... As much as there was drops, An Smith and the defense caused alot of them. Also, what do you think of my mock then?


Willie (oviously) looked very good again tonight. He was making his decision quickly and bolting, no pitter patter behind the line. Depending on what happens with Verron and Najeh, I wouldn't mind picking up a guy like Hunt in the 3rd or Wynn in the later rounds

I love Hunt in the 3rd. Najeh is basically a faster version of Michael Bush. I think Verron is gone this offseason. Tony Hunt gives us short Yardage capabilities, great hands.. I think this will give us a solid guy with Najeh, that way if he's injured we're ok.. if not, we have 3 talented backs.



With all my replies, what do you think of my mock CDub?

CDub
12-08-2006, 04:37 AM
I like the first two picks(if Jarrett is gone). I'm not sure of two things though:

A. Will Spencer be there in the second, as he seems to be moving up boards quickly,

B. is the front office as into the idea of LBs in the first 2 RDs as we are?

Hunt in the 3rd is fine with me.

I don't know a lot about Bennett so I'll take your word for it.

If we have an extra 4th I think Smith might be gone by then, if so I'd look for an OT there

Warren would be a good value pick in the 5th, but if we don't have the extra 5th, by this point I'd want a WR.

If we have an extra 5th I'd prefer a different WR, maybe Dallas Baker if he's still on the board

Patrick and Alama-Francis to round things out would be fine.

All in all, if your mock were our draft I'd be happy with it. It's a little heavy on D but I'd like it. Imagine how good our LB core would be in 2 years

It would show that we're confident in our current group of WRs and CBs, which we'll have to wait and see how they finish to determine. I feel that those positions will more than likely get some attention somewhere, maybe even FA.

steelcrew43
12-08-2006, 05:38 AM
will we keep willie reid ,when his injury heals

Mr. Stiller
12-08-2006, 05:58 AM
I like the first two picks(if Jarrett is gone). I'm not sure of two things though:

A. Will Spencer be there in the second, as he seems to be moving up boards quickly,

He is, but who knows, a bad 40 time and he's 3rd rounder, who knows what the draft looks like.

B. is the front office as into the idea of LBs in the first 2 RDs as we are?

One could only hope.. our age on the LB Core is the weakest link.. our Offensive line is young and progressing.. they had a rough season, the whole team did.. we have some good solid youth and as much as I though we needed a Jake Long or Sam Baker, I think I was was overreacting.

Hunt in the 3rd is fine with me.

I really love hunt.

I don't know a lot about Bennett so I'll take your word for it.

Bennett is flying under the radar... but I think he'll be a monster.

If we have an extra 4th I think Smith might be gone by then, if so I'd look for an OT there

Well we still have Essex and Colon.. our only hole in the depth is OG and we got Bennett... If we had to make a different pick than Smith I would rather reache a bit on a developmental OLB or maybe a WR.

Warren would be a good value pick in the 5th, but if we don't have the extra 5th, by this point I'd want a WR.

We should have an Extra 5th for the lost of Hope and Kimo. In fact we should have a extra 6th as well.

If we have an extra 5th I'd prefer a different WR, maybe Dallas Baker if he's still on the board.

I think Cowher is pretty confident in his WR group.. .I mean.. We had Walter Young, Sean Morey, Nate Washington and Santonio Holmes tonight.. and Ben still had 200+ Yards Passing. I'm not exactly wanting Stanback for WR... I"m just saying if things don't work out and he's not the type of QB we need or can't get the playbook down... he's a pretty safe pick because he would succeed at WR.. I doubt Baker makes it past round 4.. if there. Deyon Williams would be the guy if we went solid WR... But I think Stanback will let us finally get rid St. Pierre.

Patrick and Alama-Francis to round things out would be fine.

Patrick would be our "Daniel Graham" A great #2 Te that has small OT Size.. And good hands..

All in all, if your mock were our draft I'd be happy with it. It's a little heavy on D but I'd like it. Imagine how good our LB core would be in 2 years.

I figure we're a team known for our LB and defense... We haven't exactly found the future at LB and we've been failing to really boost it. For a team thats won games on offense we saw how week we were missing our defense. Patch it up. Our Skills Players are pretty set.. We can't go wrong at Safety right now... Dline bolsters a Pro-Bowl NT and a top 3 3-4 DE In the league (Seymour, Olshansky, Smith IMO)... and Keisel has been a great Pass rusher.

Future at: RB, QB, Dline Safety is pretty set.. However LB needs youth and talent infused... Time for this "Steel Curtain to hand off the torch to the next group. The Oline is lacking 1 thing, a young Guard behind Faneca. I think our line has underplayed this season... I think next year things will be normal again.

It would show that we're confident in our current group of WRs and CBs, which we'll have to wait and see how they finish to determine. I feel that those positions will more than likely get some attention somewhere, maybe even FA.

I don't see why we shouldn't be confident right now. Nate Washington has had some drops, but he's a 2nd year UDFA that wasn't expected to be anything but some nobody in the corporate world. He's come on strong and has shown tons of future potential. Santonio is living up to his draft pick.. He looks to be a career #2.. but look at Reggie Wayne and TJ Houshmanzadeh.. Ced Wilson is a solid #3... he did well last year.. didn't succeed at the #2 this year. Willie Reid hasn't had a chance to see the field and he looked good in the pre-season so we're not sure what he has to offer yet. Morey has been more clutch. He's not a speedster, but I don't want him to leave... he's not just a ST Guy now, he's made plays on KR and at WR.. I think he should get more time. Plus Walter Young looks like he's coming along pretty well.. he's a little skinny but the few plays he saw the field he seemed to find the soft spot in coverage.. If Stanback wouldn't make QB, he would be like a 6'3 240 lb version of Hines. He's not blazing fast, but he's a hard worker... and he'd be an amazing gadget play guy.

Oh yea and we have that Hines Ward Guy.

skarocksoi
12-08-2006, 07:26 AM
If I were to give out grades for the game it would probably go like this:

OFFENSE
QB: A-
Ben had a very good game last night and looked like he did at the end of last year. He had really good placement on where he through his balls, putting them just where they needed to be so defenders couldnt get them but his guys could. I saw a coulple iffy passes in the red zone, but that might have just been from the cold.

RB: A-
Willie Parker is a straigh up man-beast. He hit holes perfectly, pushed for those extra yards, and most importantly was very consistant. The thing that helped him the most was probably the O Line giving him some solid blocking, but he still ran wild. Davenport did pretty well as well, and my only knock on the two was each had a fumble, but again, it was cold and the ball is hard to hold on to. Most importantly, the 3rd down blocking was very good, and whomever was in the backfield was able to pick up the blitz.

O Line: B
The line looked a hell of a lot better and was getting a great push up front for the run game. Faneca was beastly and looked like he was 25 and not 30 (Happy Birthday Alan). The pass blocking was better than before, but Ben was still scrambling to avoid the pressure sometimes and I saw guys getting into the backfield almost unblocked on occasion, but they played a much better game and looked more like the line from last year.

WR: B+
If not from some important drops in the red zone, I would have given them an A. These young guys showed up tonight and played like superstars. Holmes was making some pretty sweet grabs and keeping things alive on third downs, and Nate just made that DB look silly on his TD reception. Washington still had several drops that killed us in the red zone, but he should get better at that with time and practice.

DEFENSE
D Line: B+
I didn't see anything spectacular from them during the game, but they played solid. The Browns barely made it into double digit rushing yards, which is always a nice thing. Smith was in on some plays, especially the fumble recovery we had.

LB: B-
If they didnt stop the run so well, I would have said C. There was absolutely no pass rush last night, which is pretty pathetic when you consider we were playing the Browns. I'm not sure if we even got close to sacking their QB. Foote had a good game and they all did a good job of shutting down the run, but the pass rush needs to improve if we want to win games. We can't play the Browns every week.

DB: B
Here's what you need to do; go out and buy an Anthony Smith jersey, so in a year or two when hes our other superstar safety, you can tell your friends you knew about him a long time ago. Trust me, it worked for me and Willie Parker. Anyways, Smith was a beast and was just slamming guys out there, although he needs to wrap up better. McFadden looked pretty good out there, and everyone else did alright, but a QB having his first start and who plays for the Browns looked decent. If it werent for their WR's stone hands, he would have completed way too many passes. Most of that is the result of a lack of pass rush, but still, the secondary can improve a litte.

On a side note, I'd like to put in a formal request to call Anthony Smith "The Thing", just so we all can say "It's CLOBBERIN' TIME!" when he makes a big hit. Which will be often.

Anyways, Its pretty plain to see that our biggest needs this offseason will be upgrading the pass rush, rejuvenating the LB core, and solidifying the O line and giving it some depth.

draftguru151
12-08-2006, 07:33 AM
That is a terribly optimistic draft.

Mr. Stiller
12-08-2006, 04:52 PM
That is a terribly optimistic draft.

With Warren and Smith.. outside of those two, it's fairly realistic...


If worse came to worse... Take Spencer rd 1 and david Harris round 2.

mikehop05
12-08-2006, 05:28 PM
according to joey porter the steelers are gonna finish 9 - 7

after the way they played last night i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

Smooth Criminal
12-08-2006, 09:47 PM
according to joey porter the steelers are gonna finish 9 - 7

after the way they played last night i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

I wish Joey could just decide that we would finish 9-7.

Really the area that looked the worst for us was our recieving core. Everyone dropped passes. Granted it was cold and windy and Ben wasn't putting all of his passes on the money but there were clear cut drops from Washington, Parker, Moery, and Miller.

The other place we need hlep is at linebacker. We have no future guy. If we can get a guy like a Shawne Merriman that would be perfect.

WR/OLB would be my first round need. I think those two positions would give the team benefits next years where drafting a first round lineman really wouldn't pay off until a yewar or 2 down the road. You can never have to many quality recievers and another linebacker would be a great help on special teams coverages. Backup lineman usually don't do much but sit on the bench or not dress at all.

Smooth Criminal
12-08-2006, 09:48 PM
That is a terribly optimistic draft.

With Warren and Smith.. outside of those two, it's fairly realistic...


If worse came to worse... Take Spencer rd 1 and david Harris round 2.

I like Harris alot. I think he'd be a hell of a 3-4 ILB. He would be a great special teams guy and be a future starter to replace the 33 year old Farrior.

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 02:02 AM
That is a terribly optimistic draft.

With Warren and Smith.. outside of those two, it's fairly realistic...


If worse came to worse... Take Spencer rd 1 and david Harris round 2.

I like Harris alot. I think he'd be a hell of a 3-4 ILB. He would be a great special teams guy and be a future starter to replace the 33 year old Farrior.

I agree and I'm going to change it to Spencer 1st and David Harris 2... i'd think we'd trade down to pick up spencer for more picks but i didn't do a mock with any trades..

nobodyinparticular
12-09-2006, 02:10 AM
Looks like everybody showed up to play tonight. Washington and Holmes looked really good, and Anthony Smith was just killing guys. He needs to wrap up a little better, but he looked like a mini-Polamalu tonight, just flying around everywhere. I dont know how long we have Clark under contract for, but he looks like a star and needs to get a real shot to play.

Clark was cheap.. He should be a backup....


A Smith -> Ryan Clark
Troy P -> Tyrone Carter

Thats a hell of a safety core.

Our secondary is set.. we have 5 young guys and 1 vet.

OUr LB core needs Youth.. our top 3 LBs are over 30 next season.

Our Dline is pretty young except Aaron Smith, theirs no one over 6 years pro.

Alan Faneca is the only guy that may need a backup, he turned 30 today. Nathan Bennett is that guy... I really think he could be Better than Faneca some day if not, atleast AS good.


Our RB situation is good but Najeh is injury prone and is better for his speed/finesse than his power. Tony Hunt.



After Tonight... I don't know what way we go in round 1.. Our young guys playing like Vets makes me say we don't need OT round 1.

Good to see Anthony Smith playing well out there. He was one of my favorite guys in the draft last year.

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 02:10 AM
according to joey porter the steelers are gonna finish 9 - 7

after the way they played last night i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

I wish Joey could just decide that we would finish 9-7.

Really the area that looked the worst for us was our recieving core. Everyone dropped passes. Granted it was cold and windy and Ben wasn't putting all of his passes on the money but there were clear cut drops from Washington, Parker, Moery, and Miller.

The other place we need hlep is at linebacker. We have no future guy. If we can get a guy like a Shawne Merriman that would be perfect.

WR/OLB would be my first round need. I think those two positions would give the team benefits next years where drafting a first round lineman really wouldn't pay off until a yewar or 2 down the road. You can never have to many quality recievers and another linebacker would be a great help on special teams coverages. Backup lineman usually don't do much but sit on the bench or not dress at all.


You have to be a bit more realistic too, our wr's had a whole 0 years of starting experience last night. I think they played lights out considering we basically have 2-3 Rookies at WR and Morey who lines up maybe 2-3 times a year at WR. They're going to get better with experience... I think considering how young and In-experienced our WR core is, they played very well and showed alot of promise.

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 02:17 AM
Looks like everybody showed up to play tonight. Washington and Holmes looked really good, and Anthony Smith was just killing guys. He needs to wrap up a little better, but he looked like a mini-Polamalu tonight, just flying around everywhere. I dont know how long we have Clark under contract for, but he looks like a star and needs to get a real shot to play.

Clark was cheap.. He should be a backup....


A Smith -> Ryan Clark
Troy P -> Tyrone Carter

Thats a hell of a safety core.

Our secondary is set.. we have 5 young guys and 1 vet.

OUr LB core needs Youth.. our top 3 LBs are over 30 next season.

Our Dline is pretty young except Aaron Smith, theirs no one over 6 years pro.

Alan Faneca is the only guy that may need a backup, he turned 30 today. Nathan Bennett is that guy... I really think he could be Better than Faneca some day if not, atleast AS good.


Our RB situation is good but Najeh is injury prone and is better for his speed/finesse than his power. Tony Hunt.



After Tonight... I don't know what way we go in round 1.. Our young guys playing like Vets makes me say we don't need OT round 1.

Good to see Anthony Smith playing well out there. He was one of my favorite guys in the draft last year.

Same Here... I've been upset seeing him on the bench.. we're going to have a superstar safety duo..


I'm going to do another mock here soon. It's going to deal of a trade because i want spencer rd 1 and he's a 20 or later guy..

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 02:33 AM
Trade down from #13 to #25, #29 and #29 in the 4th.




1a) Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
http://old.irishsports.com/stories/subscription/2005/09/04/samard_ijapass.jpeg
Darrelle Revis gives us a top tier shut-down CB. He reminds me of DeShea Townsend, but stronger, and better tackler/blitzer and he's much much better in coverage.

1b) Anthony Spencer, OLB, Purdue.
http://www.purdueexponent.org/2004/09/27/images/Spencer.jpg
A 6'3 265 pass Rush Specialist with Speed and non stop motor. Could make the transition the easiest of everyone I've seen.

2) David Harris, MLB, Michigan
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/31/312054.jpg
a 6'2 250 lb MLB who is built for the 3-4. Ball hawk safety and could take over for Farrior next year.

3) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/151/zhuntgn8.png
Short Yardage and 3rd down back, to split time with Najeh as he's not the answer for Short Yardage. We don't need Michael Bush because he's essentially a slower version of Najeh.

4a) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg
Bennett Really reminds me of Faneca.. Athletic and Smart. Strong and fast. He is a good pass protector and can rush block for speed and power.. Did well for the rushing duo of Spiller/Davis.

4b) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Oct/10110512bSack.jpg
With our top 3 OLBS hitting their 30's soon, the lack of a pass rush we add a guy that if healthy and without an injury could be a round 1/2 pick. Gives us solid depth and a potential future Starter.

4c)Justin Warren, MLB, Texas A&M
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/26/263115.jpg
Kreidwaldt can't play for many more years. He's been so-so in his spot time, but adding another Young talent behind Kreidwaldt to give us solid depth and this kid is a 3 down ILB. He's 6'3 245 lbs now, he's a thumper, but he can drop in coverage in the 3 games i've seen. helps us build a young but talented LB core.. Gives us depth which, we could use with all the injuries this year.

5a) Jarrett Hicks, WR, Texas Tech
http://www.redraiders.com/images/112005/7648_512.jpg
A 6'3/6'4 solid WR that has had plenty of practice holding onto the ball by playing in a pass happy system at Texas Tech.

5b) Isaiah Stanback, QB/WR, Washington
http://www.maxwaugh.com/images/osu04/stanback2.jpg
We tried Omar Jacobs last year and he couldn't grasp the playbook.. A stronger arm, better build and faster legs could at worst give us depth at WR if he doesn't pull off QB. I think he could though and if at WR, gives us a great gadget play because he has 3 times the arm that Randel El had.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/17/179697.jpg
Ben is a blocking TE that can catch. He's 6'3 270 lbs. He has good hands but his niche is his blocking. He'll allow us to phase out Jerame Tuman and let us do more 2 TE sets where he can take the DE out of the equation and give Danimal a break. Former Duke TE.

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Jun/25/FPI606250368V2_b.jpg
A 6'6 talented monster that has 2 years experience in a 3-4 at Hawaii. PS player and could make an impact after a few years.


I don't think Tackle should be addressed per se.. This is the oline that led us to the superbowl last year.. I think it's just showing how much the cowher issue is affecting the team. This is by far my favorite draft.

Gives us a very very solid depth and future at LB.. which we've failed to really address properly.

CDub
12-09-2006, 05:37 AM
according to joey porter the steelers are gonna finish 9 - 7

after the way they played last night i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

I wish Joey could just decide that we would finish 9-7.

Really the area that looked the worst for us was our recieving core. Everyone dropped passes. Granted it was cold and windy and Ben wasn't putting all of his passes on the money but there were clear cut drops from Washington, Parker, Moery, and Miller.

The other place we need hlep is at linebacker. We have no future guy. If we can get a guy like a Shawne Merriman that would be perfect.

WR/OLB would be my first round need. I think those two positions would give the team benefits next years where drafting a first round lineman really wouldn't pay off until a yewar or 2 down the road. You can never have to many quality recievers and another linebacker would be a great help on special teams coverages. Backup lineman usually don't do much but sit on the bench or not dress at all.


You have to be a bit more realistic too, our wr's had a whole 0 years of starting experience last night. I think they played lights out considering we basically have 2-3 Rookies at WR and Morey who lines up maybe 2-3 times a year at WR. They're going to get better with experience... I think considering how young and In-experienced our WR core is, they played very well and showed alot of promise.

The problem with us having such under-expeienced guys at WR is that they won't get many other chances to gain experience because we are based on running the ball. If they are not capable of beings studs in what little playing time they usually get, then they probably won't ever be studs in our system. We need another guy who's gonna be able to produce with a limited number of chances.

While I agree with many of the posters here who have expressed different reasons for wanting a big WR, one of the biggest reasons why I want a "quality" big guy is that Ben is more comfortable with a big guy out there running around when he is scrambling. He has said that himself. When Ben has scrambled lately, his most common targets have been Jeremy Tuman, Heath Miller, and Nate Washington. Why, because those guys are the biggest pass catchers we have and are the easiest for Ben to find. There's no denying that when Plax was here he was Ben's favorite target when he had to scramble. Plus, a guy like that commands attention from the secondary and right now the only guy we have that opposing D's are concerned with is Hines.

With all that said, if Santonio and Nate keep succeeding this year maybe we won't have to look for a WR untill the 3rd or 4th. If that happens along with the O-line continuing to play like they did lastnight then I could see our first two picks being defensive players.

CDub
12-09-2006, 05:40 AM
according to joey porter the steelers are gonna finish 9 - 7

after the way they played last night i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

I wish Joey could just decide that we would finish 9-7.

Really the area that looked the worst for us was our recieving core. Everyone dropped passes. Granted it was cold and windy and Ben wasn't putting all of his passes on the money but there were clear cut drops from Washington, Parker, Moery, and Miller.

The other place we need hlep is at linebacker. We have no future guy. If we can get a guy like a Shawne Merriman that would be perfect.

WR/OLB would be my first round need. I think those two positions would give the team benefits next years where drafting a first round lineman really wouldn't pay off until a yewar or 2 down the road. You can never have to many quality recievers and another linebacker would be a great help on special teams coverages. Backup lineman usually don't do much but sit on the bench or not dress at all.


You have to be a bit more realistic too, our wr's had a whole 0 years of starting experience last night. I think they played lights out considering we basically have 2-3 Rookies at WR and Morey who lines up maybe 2-3 times a year at WR. They're going to get better with experience... I think considering how young and In-experienced our WR core is, they played very well and showed alot of promise.

The problem with us having such under-expeienced guys at WR is that they won't get many other chances to gain experience because we are based on running the ball. If they are not capable of beings studs in what little playing time they usually get, then they probably won't ever be studs in our system. We need another guy who's gonna be able to produce with a limited number of chances.

While I agree with many of the posters here who have expressed different reasons for wanting a big WR, one of the biggest reasons why I want a "quality" big guy is that Ben is more comfortable with a big guy out there running around when he is scrambling. He has said that himself. When Ben has scrambled lately, his most common targets have been Jeremy Tuman, Heath Miller, and Nate Washington. Why, because those guys are the biggest pass catchers we have and are the easiest for Ben to find. There's no denying that when Plax was here he was Ben's favorite target when he had to scramble. Plus, a guy like that commands attention from the secondary and right now the only guy we have that opposing D's are concerned with is Hines.

With all that said, if Santonio and Nate keep succeeding this year maybe we won't have to look for a WR untill the 3rd or 4th. If that happens along with the O-line continuing to play like they did lastnight then I could see our first two picks being defensive players.

We really haven't found our future studs at our LB positions and this may be the year we draft heavy on D. We'll obviously have to wait and see how the season plays out before we can be sure of any of these things.

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 05:42 AM
according to joey porter the steelers are gonna finish 9 - 7

after the way they played last night i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

I wish Joey could just decide that we would finish 9-7.

Really the area that looked the worst for us was our recieving core. Everyone dropped passes. Granted it was cold and windy and Ben wasn't putting all of his passes on the money but there were clear cut drops from Washington, Parker, Moery, and Miller.

The other place we need hlep is at linebacker. We have no future guy. If we can get a guy like a Shawne Merriman that would be perfect.

WR/OLB would be my first round need. I think those two positions would give the team benefits next years where drafting a first round lineman really wouldn't pay off until a yewar or 2 down the road. You can never have to many quality recievers and another linebacker would be a great help on special teams coverages. Backup lineman usually don't do much but sit on the bench or not dress at all.


You have to be a bit more realistic too, our wr's had a whole 0 years of starting experience last night. I think they played lights out considering we basically have 2-3 Rookies at WR and Morey who lines up maybe 2-3 times a year at WR. They're going to get better with experience... I think considering how young and In-experienced our WR core is, they played very well and showed alot of promise.

The problem with us having such under-expeienced guys at WR is that they won't get many other chances to gain experience because we are based on running the ball. If they are not capable of beings studs in what little playing time they usually get, then they probably won't ever be studs in our system. We need another guy who's gonna be able to produce with a limited number of chances.

While I agree with many of the posters here who have expressed different reasons for wanting a big WR, one of the biggest reasons why I want a "quality" big guy is that Ben is more comfortable with a big guy out there running around when he is scrambling. He has said that himself. When Ben has scrambled latley, his most common targets have been Jeremy Tuman, Heath Miller, and Nate Washington. Why, because those guys are the biggest pass catchers we have and are the easiest for Ben to find. There's no denying that when Plax was here he was Ben's favorite target when he had to scramble. Plus, a guy like that commands attention from the secondary and right now the only guy we have that opposing D's are concerned with is Hines.

With all that said, if Santonio and Nate keep succeeding this year maybe we won't have to look for a WR untill the 3rd or 4th. If that happens along with the O-line continuing to play like they did lastnight then I could see our first two picks being defensive players.

We really haven't found our future studs at our LB positions and this may be the year we draft heavy on D. We'll obviously have to wait and see how the season plays out before we can be sure of any of these things.

Jarrett Hicks and Isaiah Stanback would be 2 amazing day 2 prospects... i really love my draft right now.

richdg
12-09-2006, 12:39 PM
Since we still don't know were we will be drafting and which juniors are coming out, a few thoughts. As much as I love guys like Long, Branch, and Baker (OT from USC) all will be gone when we pick. Thos guys are top 15 players. We should end up between 15 and 25. I don't see us trading up thsi year, but we could. Last year we did it, when we didn't have to, to get Holmes. But that was coming off the SB. this eyar we have a few more holes to work on. Some of the players I like, by round are:
1st-Staley, Leonard, Carriker (if we switch to a 4-3), Woodley (might be able to play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB), and Adams.
2nd-Bush, Datish, Baker WR, Bazuin (agian a guy that can play DE or OLB), Everett
3rd-Hunt, McKnight, Spaeth, Harris, Satele.
4th-Rice, Chandler, K. Young, Burgess, Palko
5th-Trannon, Patrick, Warren, Beck, and start looking at DB's here.
When we get past the 5th, it is just best player available.

THav916
12-09-2006, 12:46 PM
Mr Stiller wrote.....




Jarrett Hicks and Isaiah Stanback would be 2 amazing day 2 prospects... i really love my draft right now.[/quote]

Kind of amusing, I hope you like your draft. You can pick anyone you want.

What I do like, is with how often you do these (What the heck you do for a living I'd love to know), it's nice to see you aren't completely stubborn with your ideas. Admitting you probably went overboard with the O-Line needs after the Baltimore was a great thing for me to see. I like when people can admit they are wrong, or at least change their opinion.

I think a top LT would be on my priority list, but after that, I don't want to take an o-lineman just to take one. I hate the Justin Blalock pick. We can get a solid, versatile lineman in another round. I've been big on BPA, and LB for awhile, and even though I agree with a previous poster, it could be tough for the STeelers to take 3 of them, I really like this draft (and no tradedowns!).

It's not that people forget there are 7 rounds, but i see too often people thinking we MUST take something in the first round. First round is a round for studs. Plus, you never know what we'll need a year or two down the road. Then in all other rounds you can worry about needs more and really fill them. Even though our biggest two weaknesses in my opinion are O-Line and Linebacker, I take a hard look at Branch, Jarrett, Samardzija if there, and then still have 6 more rounds to fill weaknesses.

THav916
12-09-2006, 12:56 PM
Since we still don't know were we will be drafting and which juniors are coming out, a few thoughts. As much as I love guys like Long, Branch, and Baker (OT from USC) all will be gone when we pick. Thos guys are top 15 players. We should end up between 15 and 25. I don't see us trading up thsi year, but we could. Last year we did it, when we didn't have to, to get Holmes. But that was coming off the SB. this eyar we have a few more holes to work on. Some of the players I like, by round are:
1st-Staley, Leonard, Carriker (if we switch to a 4-3), Woodley (might be able to play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB), and Adams.
2nd-Bush, Datish, Baker WR, Bazuin (agian a guy that can play DE or OLB), Everett
3rd-Hunt, McKnight, Spaeth, Harris, Satele.
4th-Rice, Chandler, K. Young, Burgess, Palko
5th-Trannon, Patrick, Warren, Beck, and start looking at DB's here.
When we get past the 5th, it is just best player available.


Thats a good way to look at it Richdg. You could almost have a "Wishlist" of guys IN CASE of a trade up, but not expecting it to happen. Guys like Adams, Branch, Thomas, Long are guys I'd love to go grab in a trade-up, but i'm not gonna sit here and base my whole draft on it cuz i want it to happen.

And as nice as it is to just have one player in mind per round, you don't know what's going to happen before we pick each round. So it's once again, more realistic to list 4-5 per round.

I really wouldn't Leonard in the first round, but my opinion. I would love to take a long hard look at Woodley. Jury seems to be out on him whether he can play OLB or not. I don't want anyone on here to tell me he can't, I'll wait for combines, drills, and the Steelers to decide. But, IF he can, I think he'd be a great fit. You see him listed in the 270s alot but they say he's in the 250s this year. He's been productive, and even looks like a bad dude with some swagger. The better we get, the less likely I'll want an offensive lineman in the first round. And my boy Branch will be long gone, and he's the only DE i want. I think ILB, OLB, and WR (The Shark maybe, productive, tall, good hands, could be a good fit and complement if we go that route) will be the main possibilities.

richdg
12-09-2006, 01:11 PM
I'm not sure if Woodley can play OLB or not. As afreshman at Michigan he moved to DE because he couldn't ajust to OLB. He has been there ever sense. Same with Bazuin. If we use them like we did Kevin Greene (only as pass rushers/run stoppers) I think they both can play. If we want them to drop into coverage like Haggans, Gildeon, and Porter, I don't think they can and be affective.

THav916
12-09-2006, 01:48 PM
I'm not sure if Woodley can play OLB or not. As afreshman at Michigan he moved to DE because he couldn't ajust to OLB. He has been there ever sense. Same with Bazuin. If we use them like we did Kevin Greene (only as pass rushers/run stoppers) I think they both can play. If we want them to drop into coverage like Haggans, Gildeon, and Porter, I don't think they can and be affective.

I don't think your first point is valid because there's a big difference between OLB in the 4-3 and 3-4, and he was what, 18 or 19 then? Your second point I believe, is not only valid but what it will all come down to. Me personally, would love to see our one OLB be Kevin Greene-like and get 12-15 sacks a year. But I know that sounds simple in theory, and dropping back into coverage is a big part of our defense.

A guy like Posluzsny seems like more of the all-around, do it all, type of guy. But at OLB, i just want to get back to the days of absolute studs. I'm not sure if Poz would be that, or just a really solid player. Spencer seems like more of a pass rusher, but I guess I just like what I see from Woodley more.

It will be interesting once the combines and tests take place, to see how all of these guys, Adams (not how high, but if he can play OLB), Bazuin, etc. all are ranked.

richdg
12-09-2006, 02:13 PM
Michigan still ran a 3-4 when Woodley was a freshman. he couldn't or wouldn't handle it.
As for Poz, he will not be a good pro. He has a bad knee, and is to small. Most SS's are the same size he is. 6-3/220 is to small. He might be ok for a 4-3 team as the weak side OLB. Other than that, I don't see him having a very long career.

mikehop05
12-09-2006, 04:17 PM
Michigan still ran a 3-4 when Woodley was a freshman. he couldn't or wouldn't handle it.
As for Poz, he will not be a good pro. He has a bad knee, and is to small. Most SS's are the same size he is. 6-3/220 is to small. He might be ok for a 4-3 team as the weak side OLB. Other than that, I don't see him having a very long career.

Size doesn't make that much of a difference all of the time. If you can pop you can pop, regardless of your size. Anyone who has played football can easily tell you that. Size can definetly help you, but it isnt the make or break factor.

And Paul is 6'2" 240.

steelcrew43
12-09-2006, 05:08 PM
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/steelcrew43/puz_steelers.jpg

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 05:54 PM
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/steelcrew43/puz_steelers.jpg

Very nice transfer but i'm not sold on Poz.. I think he's a perfect cover 2 mlb or traditional Will.


I have a new mock coming Thav ;-).

I've realized I said we don't need CB and Picked Revis (Stubborn me.)


Btw I'm a 20 year old computer science student at Pittsburgh-Johnstown.

I work for Concurrent Technologies Corporation as an intern as of now.


Mock up in 20.

steelcrew43
12-09-2006, 06:07 PM
LOLB 53 Clark Haggans 94 Chad Brown
LILB 51 James Farrior 54 Rian Wallace
RILB 50 Larry Foote 57 Clint Kriewaldt
ROLB 55 Joey Porter 92 James Harrison

yea i cant see where puz would make an immeadiate impact

are any of our linebackers on contract years?

THav916
12-09-2006, 06:10 PM
[quote=steelcrew43][img]

Very nice transfer but i'm not sold on Poz.. I think he's a perfect cover 2 mlb or traditional Will.


I have a new mock coming Thav ;-).

I've realized I said we don't need CB and Picked Revis (Stubborn me.)


Btw I'm a 20 year old computer science student at Pittsburgh-Johnstown.

I work for Concurrent Technologies Corporation as an intern as of now.


Mock up in 20.

I feel the same way about Poz. I think there is a chance he'd be exactly what we needed, but I'm just not sold on it. I'd like to get a guy that's a more skilled blitzer.

I look forward to the new mock, but am a little frightened by the wink.

I won't knock a pick like Revis. I don't think we need a CB, and I might look elsewhere, but our CB's are far from perfect, and the more good cb's we have, the better. For the record, I'd rather strengthen up the front 7, and go with the young secondary we have in place.

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 06:35 PM
Thav,

I know you don't like trades, but I don't see Tons of value at our pick.. so I'm going to predict this.. I think LT Could be addressed next year because there's no talent past Long/Thomas/Staley... I'm not a fan of Blalock or Levi Brown.

Trade down from #13 to #25, #29 and #29 in the 4th.


1a) Dwayne Jarrett, WR, Southern California
http://www.trojanfb.com/imagedb/albums/2004season/coloradostate/dwayne_jarrett.jpg
I think our WR's are pretty solid, but with 2 picks in the first and the lack of players for Needs... Going BPA we get Jarrett.. I think Washington/Holmes have progressed very well and I think this addition will Rival Cincy/Zona as the best WR core in the NFL.

1b) Anthony Spencer
http://www.purdueexponent.org/2004/09/27/images/Spencer.jpg
At 6'3 265, he gives us a Pass Rushing threat and is probably the best option at OLB in this draft. I know some people aren't high on him, but I have been since i watched Purdue. I think he'd Do better at 3-4 OLB than 4-3 DE. With Keisel or Smith keeping the gaurd/tackles busy i think he'll speed or bull rush his way around the corner and cause some problems... I could see him as Terell suggs or if he gets some speed, Adalius Thomas.

2) David Harris, MLB, Michigan
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/31/312054.jpg
As the top rated 3-4 MLB IMO he gives us depth and a potential future starter to sit for a year or 2 behind Farrior. A Ball hawk with good athleticism for his frame.

3) Tony Hunt, RB, PSU.
http://www.readingeagle.com/blog/zeke/archives/images/hunt.jpg
The Trio of Willie Parker, Tony Hunt and Najeh Davenport has me excited. Tony Hunt gives us valuable and very talented depth.. not amazing breakaway speed, but he can break a few... Best Short Yardage back in the draft.

4a) Justin Warren, MLB, Texas A&M
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/26/263115.jpg
The second Best MLB for the 3-4. Kreidwaldt and Farrior are aged. and Kreidwaldt could be upgraded. I see the duo of Warren and Harrison being Special teams monsters.. He's a 3 down player at MLB and is very solid.

4b) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg
Gives us very underrated and talented depth behind Alan Faneca..

4c) Brian Smith, OLB, MIssouri
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Oct/10110512bSack.jpg
Gives us depth and future at OLB. A big Pass Rusher.. I think the duo of Spencer and Smith gives us a tremendous Future.

5a) Jake Kuresa, OT, BYU
http://www.byucougars.com/football/images/a-kuresa_05bc.jpg
You guys want a possible future at LT, Here's another guy that gets almost no credit but he's a mountain. At 6'4 330lbs. He has incredible footwork and strength. He would probably be the best Pass blocking OT on our roster next year (Besides Faneca.)

5b) Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
http://www.maxwaugh.com/images/oregon03/stanback.jpg
A Big Bodied QB that has tremendous arm strength, and legs to get him out of trouble. If he can't pull off WR is an option.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2007/nov/patrickbenaction.jpghttp://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg
6'4 270lbs of Blocking TE madness and good hands... not the best route runner, but you'd think we had 3 Tackles out on the field. (2x the pics to get an idea of this guys size)

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Jun/25/FPI606250368V2_b.jpg
A 6'6 290lb DE with Basketball athleticism. needs some fine tuning.

THav916
12-09-2006, 06:46 PM
Yea man, I'm sorry but just dont like the trade. First of all, you do a trade that would be amazing for us. Then you take Jarrett, who I guess you're then assuming will be there at 25? Then an extra 1st and 4th round pick let you do a few more things. I'd rather you just take Jarrett at 13, and go straight down the list.

Mr. Stiller
12-09-2006, 06:57 PM
Yea man, I'm sorry but just dont like the trade. First of all, you do a trade that would be amazing for us. Then you take Jarrett, who I guess you're then assuming will be there at 25? Then an extra 1st and 4th round pick let you do a few more things. I'd rather you just take Jarrett at 13, and go straight down the list.

Eh, I don't see anyone at 13 worth taking.. even Jarrett that high.. he could drop..

Heck Santonio Was the #1 WR last year and we got him .... at #25.

We need to drop and get some youth at aging positions .. i just did that just to Get Spencer and Harris..

I'm fine with or without Jarrett.. he's not the reason i did the draft.. i did it for Spencer and Harris.


If He doesn't drop i'd be more than Happy to Select Sidney rice there as well.. he knows how to use his body and reminds me alot of Plax without the issues.

THav916
12-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Yea man, I'm sorry but just dont like the trade. First of all, you do a trade that would be amazing for us. Then you take Jarrett, who I guess you're then assuming will be there at 25? Then an extra 1st and 4th round pick let you do a few more things. I'd rather you just take Jarrett at 13, and go straight down the list.

Eh, I don't see anyone at 13 worth taking.. even Jarrett that high.. he could drop..

Heck Santonio Was the #1 WR last year and we got him .... at #25.

We need to drop and get some youth at aging positions .. i just did that just to Get Spencer and Harris..

I'm fine with or without Jarrett.. he's not the reason i did the draft.. i did it for Spencer and Harris.


If He doesn't drop i'd be more than Happy to Select Sidney rice there as well.. he knows how to use his body and reminds me alot of Plax without the issues.

But it takes two to tango. You can't just snap your fingers and get a trade done. Even if you can explain why the team at 25 and 29 would want to trade up, it doesn't mean it'll happen. Plus, you seem to do a best case scenario type of trade. Who wouldn't be ecstatic to get the 25th and 29th picks for only 13, a pick that you even admit you don't like who's there. Then, to top things off, but you take a guy like Jarrett, who might be gone in the top 15 or 20. I do understand, you addressed that by saying Sidney Rice. But still, it's not realistic to predict a trade like that. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised with extra picks, then be upset that we've factored them in for 6 months and then not get them.

Plus, let me address another question I have. I think the first 3 or so rounds look good in terms of value. But from 4 on I question how or why those guys would be available.

Brian Smith-Will he be alright to run at the combine? I find it hard to believe that NFL Scouts wouldn't think of him with all of his potential, but you would. It seems like his name will get mentioned a lot, the way the 3-4 OLB is viewed these days. And with his potential, 4th round seems low.

The two O-lineman. You call one (paraphrasing) a replacement for Faneca, and the other Our 2nd best Pass BLocker next year. How would those guys be avaiable in the 4th and 5th?

Alama-Francis. I know he's raw, which means he might not go as high as his talent indicates. But when you watch Hawaii, people make a big deal about him, he is productive, he is big, he has potential. In fact, I absolutely love what i've seen, heard and read. I just dont see how he would fall to the 7th round.

Just nitpicking with that though. I guess if I don't agree with your 2nd day choices, it's not even worth arguing, I can just ignore them. I think you have or will admit that the 2nd day picks are just estimating as of now, so why not throw names out there. I think it'll be a few months until we really get a good feel for the 2nd day.

I guess I'll throw out some ideas. Off top of my head type of thing.....
1. Trade up-Adams, Branch, Thomas, Long
1. Staying put-Jarrett, Samardzija, Woodley, Spencer, Willis
2-3. Harris, Staley, Hunt, Brian Smith

diabsoule
12-09-2006, 08:43 PM
I don't like the idea of drafting 4 LB/DE's. I think that's a little too much esp. with all of those having a good chance of making the team and us still having LB talent.

TerribleEd
12-09-2006, 09:14 PM
Five Round Steeler Mock:

Steelers trade 1.13 for 1.21 and 2.21.

1.21 LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan

Due to lack of pass rush in 2006 and because both J. Porter and C. Haggans are UFA's after 2007 season, OLB is deemed as number one priority by Steeler FO (and this isn't a very deep draft for tweeners).

2.13 Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan

Joe may or may not be gone at this point in Rd 2. In this scenario he is there, and the Steelers bring him in to compete with Max Starks at RT. Lighter (315 lbs.), more athletic Right Tackles seem to be the order of the day, since opposing DE's have been getting lighter and quicker themselves. The Steelers like the fact they he may eventually be able to replace Marvel Smith on the left side.

2.21 Brian Leonard, RB/FB, Rutgers

Ahhh, the main reason the Steelers moved down in Rd 1 was to ensure they got this guy with their second selection of Rd 2. He is the perfect compliment to Fast Willie. While Tony Hunt would have been an option in the 3rd Rd, the Steelers realize that Leonard is capable of multiple roles, while Tony Hunt is rather one-dimensional. While they will relieve eachother in duties running behind Dan Kreider, there will be instances when Parker and Leonard share the same backfield in a split formation. I can't wait!!!!

3. Justin Harrell, DE, Tennessee

More help for the Steelers front seven, Harrell is tough as nails.

4. Nathan Bennett, G, Clemson

I'll jump on Mr. Stiller's bandwagon here. I did some reading on the guy and he seems like a great prospect.


4b (comp). Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

This guy reminds me of Ike Taylor somewhat - he's even from LA. He has all the tools, he just needs more PT at CB where he was switched from WR earlier in his college career.

5. John Beck, QB, BYU

If we are going to draft a back-up to Big Ben on day 2, then this is the guy to target.

skarocksoi
12-09-2006, 09:41 PM
Id have to agree that 4 linebackers seems like a lot, but they are the staple of the 3-4 defense. 4 is probably a little too many, but I could see us picking up at least 2-3, mostly at OLB. We have some depth at MLB with Kriedwaldt and Wallace inside, but not a whole lot of quality outside. Other than Harrison theres not a lot, and none of them are viable replacements, so I think its important to attack that early.

I like Spencer and Harris in the first two, then Smith later on. That seems like a solid group of young guys to lead us into the future.

I dont agree with us drafting BPA in the first round. We're obviously going to have several different guys we are going to look at just in case our first choice gets picked up, but just picking someone because their value fits where we pick seems rather foolish. Plus, it seems the steelers target specific guys that they like, judging from how we moved up last year to get Holmes. If you just decide to pick whatever might fall into your lap at without regarding your needs you're going to end up in a poor situation.

And finally, I recently read somewhere that matt spaeth, the tight end from minnesota wont be able to play in their bowl game and might not even be healthy for the combine. He's probably the best senior tight end in the draft, but im wondering if his stock is going to fall because of the lack of late season play and no combine. If we were to fall to around the 3rd, do you think we might try to pick him up?

Mr. Stiller
12-10-2006, 02:37 AM
Id have to agree that 4 linebackers seems like a lot, but they are the staple of the 3-4 defense. 4 is probably a little too many, but I could see us picking up at least 2-3, mostly at OLB. We have some depth at MLB with Kriedwaldt and Wallace inside, but not a whole lot of quality outside. Other than Harrison theres not a lot, and none of them are viable replacements, so I think its important to attack that early.

I like Spencer and Harris in the first two, then Smith later on. That seems like a solid group of young guys to lead us into the future.

I dont agree with us drafting BPA in the first round. We're obviously going to have several different guys we are going to look at just in case our first choice gets picked up, but just picking someone because their value fits where we pick seems rather foolish. Plus, it seems the steelers target specific guys that they like, judging from how we moved up last year to get Holmes. If you just decide to pick whatever might fall into your lap at without regarding your needs you're going to end up in a poor situation.

And finally, I recently read somewhere that matt spaeth, the tight end from minnesota wont be able to play in their bowl game and might not even be healthy for the combine. He's probably the best senior tight end in the draft, but im wondering if his stock is going to fall because of the lack of late season play and no combine. If we were to fall to around the 3rd, do you think we might try to pick him up?

I'm a huge Spaeth Fan, I just think we don't need a feature TE(Like He is).

Ben Patrick is basically Daniel Graham. He didn't play the same competition, but he's 6'4 270lbs and knows how to really block.. hell he might teach Starks. We need a #2 blocking TE.. Ben Patrick will be a monster picked up in later rounds.

Mr. Stiller
12-10-2006, 03:00 AM
Yea man, I'm sorry but just dont like the trade. First of all, you do a trade that would be amazing for us. Then you take Jarrett, who I guess you're then assuming will be there at 25? Then an extra 1st and 4th round pick let you do a few more things. I'd rather you just take Jarrett at 13, and go straight down the list.

Eh, I don't see anyone at 13 worth taking.. even Jarrett that high.. he could drop..

Heck Santonio Was the #1 WR last year and we got him .... at #25.

We need to drop and get some youth at aging positions .. i just did that just to Get Spencer and Harris..

I'm fine with or without Jarrett.. he's not the reason i did the draft.. i did it for Spencer and Harris.


If He doesn't drop i'd be more than Happy to Select Sidney rice there as well.. he knows how to use his body and reminds me alot of Plax without the issues.

But it takes two to tango. You can't just snap your fingers and get a trade done. Even if you can explain why the team at 25 and 29 would want to trade up, it doesn't mean it'll happen. Plus, you seem to do a best case scenario type of trade. Who wouldn't be ecstatic to get the 25th and 29th picks for only 13, a pick that you even admit you don't like who's there. Then, to top things off, but you take a guy like Jarrett, who might be gone in the top 15 or 20. I do understand, you addressed that by saying Sidney Rice. But still, it's not realistic to predict a trade like that. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised with extra picks, then be upset that we've factored them in for 6 months and then not get them.

I agree, but I'm figuring LaRon Landry/Reggie Nelson, who would be monster Safety's in NE... Even if it weren't with the Patriots.. i don't care if we traded down at the VERY end of the Round, I see Anthony Spencer as our #1 Target with #2 being David Harris.


Jarrett would just be a luxury. I would love a big WR, i just dont see the need per-se. we lost our 2 vets at WR, and we still won and had a successful day in the air. I tried to not do a trade down, but Spencer could be had at a later pick, we might as well move down.

Plus, let me address another question I have. I think the first 3 or so rounds look good in terms of value. But from 4 on I question how or why those guys would be available.

Brian Smith-Will he be alright to run at the combine? I find it hard to believe that NFL Scouts wouldn't think of him with all of his potential, but you would. It seems like his name will get mentioned a lot, the way the 3-4 OLB is viewed these days. And with his potential, 4th round seems low.

Guys tend to fall, Stanback and Smith will fall due to injuries. I know about Willis McGahee and Cromartie, but Smith is going to drop hardcore, I don't think he's running at the combine. If i read a scouts report right.

The two O-lineman. You call one (paraphrasing) a replacement for Faneca, and the other Our 2nd best Pass BLocker next year. How would those guys be avaiable in the 4th and 5th?

I'm not 100% Sure they would, but have you heard anyone hype them outside of me really? Scott doesn't even have them ranked. I think Kuresa could be our best pass blocker outside of Faneca, but thats not saying much as Smith/Starks/Simmons and Hartings only really fit the run scheme. Kuresa is a mountain of a man. He should go earlier and could, but if no one knows or hypes him, I'm certainly going to claim him when it's best fitting for me. I do these with a sense of realism, but I know players that don't get the credit and should. I may have exaggerrated some (I'll admit i do that). I'm sure that Bennett has the chance to be as good as Faneca.. I don't doubt it. When you look at when Spiller and Davis run between the tackles... more often than not it's because Bennett has done his job. He's basically Clemsons version of Alan Faneca. I'm excited.. I know for a fact that Bennett has been heavily scouted by Kevin Colbert. I don't think Kuresa has, but then again I didn't hear about Colon(Someone else i knew did though so i guess from a roundabout way i heard it.). I Want Spencer, Harris and Hunt day 1. Day 2 would be great if we get it. Only guys i'm set on is Bennett, Patrick. The rest is a wash.

If they get my day 1, and Patrick/Bennett day 2, I really think the other picks they make, they know what their doing.

Alama-Francis. I know he's raw, which means he might not go as high as his talent indicates. But when you watch Hawaii, people make a big deal about him, he is productive, he is big, he has potential. In fact, I absolutely love what i've seen, heard and read. I just dont see how he would fall to the 7th round.

Just nitpicking with that though. I guess if I don't agree with your 2nd day choices, it's not even worth arguing, I can just ignore them. I think you have or will admit that the 2nd day picks are just estimating as of now, so why not throw names out there. I think it'll be a few months until we really get a good feel for the 2nd day.

I guess I'll throw out some ideas. Off top of my head type of thing.....
1. Trade up-Adams, Branch, Thomas, Long
1. Staying put-Jarrett, Samardzija, Woodley, Spencer, Willis
2-3. Harris, Staley, Hunt, Brian Smith

skarocksoi
12-10-2006, 10:54 AM
I really like your draft where it is now, although it seems a little LB heavy. I dont see why we'd take 2 middle backers in this draft unless Farrior retires at the end of this year, but since you have 3 picks going in the 4th, it doesn't really matter. Anyways, its a very good draft and adresses all of our big needs as of right now, plus its got a lot of quality. It's nice to get some quality info from someone who's got inside connections.

I agree with trading down in the first. I think the guys that we would target (spencer) could be picked up toward the end of the 1st and allow us to pick up something in the later rounds. Our draft position is somewhat odd, where we have a reasonably high pick, but no superstar talent looks to be available then and there as of now. So trading down and getting who we want at better value plus a later pick seems to be a smart move.

THav916
12-10-2006, 11:58 AM
I really like your draft where it is now, although it seems a little LB heavy. I dont see why we'd take 2 middle backers in this draft unless Farrior retires at the end of this year, but since you have 3 picks going in the 4th, it doesn't really matter. Anyways, its a very good draft and adresses all of our big needs as of right now, plus its got a lot of quality. It's nice to get some quality info from someone who's got inside connections.

I agree with trading down in the first. I think the guys that we would target (spencer) could be picked up toward the end of the 1st and allow us to pick up something in the later rounds. Our draft position is somewhat odd, where we have a reasonably high pick, but no superstar talent looks to be available then and there as of now. So trading down and getting who we want at better value plus a later pick seems to be a smart move.

2 ILB's does seem like a lot. 4 LB's in general is a lot. I think this is one thing especially, where if we stick to the picks we have, we won't pick this many LB's. When we add picks via trade, and end up with about 15 picks, it makes it easy to take 4 LBs. We have 8 LB's. How many will really not be here next year? Arnold Harrison can be had, and I'd cut Haggans if it saved us money. I actually like all 4 ILB's, but if we drafted one, I'd guess Kreiwaldt would be the first to go. Rian Wallace is kind of a wild card. If they liked him enough and drafted an ILB high, I would't mind cutting Farrior to save money and putting Wallace in the starting lineup. However, if they don't like what they see in Wallace, he could be the one cut.

Someone that knows contracts well. What veterans would be good cuts (save us money) and who would be bad cuts? Haynes, Hartings, Wilson, Farrior, Haggans, Porter, Townsend. Just throwing out names. And don't respond, "WE WONT CUT PORTER!!!!" I dont care, i want to simply know about these guys contacts and how a cut would affect us.

Mr. Stiller
12-10-2006, 09:57 PM
I really like your draft where it is now, although it seems a little LB heavy. I dont see why we'd take 2 middle backers in this draft unless Farrior retires at the end of this year, but since you have 3 picks going in the 4th, it doesn't really matter. Anyways, its a very good draft and adresses all of our big needs as of right now, plus its got a lot of quality. It's nice to get some quality info from someone who's got inside connections.

I agree with trading down in the first. I think the guys that we would target (spencer) could be picked up toward the end of the 1st and allow us to pick up something in the later rounds. Our draft position is somewhat odd, where we have a reasonably high pick, but no superstar talent looks to be available then and there as of now. So trading down and getting who we want at better value plus a later pick seems to be a smart move.

Ska,

My reasoning behind 2 ILBS. 1 Kreidwaldt is older and could be upgraded. Farrior doesn't have many years left... Goo, Warren and Harris would give us 3 options to replace Farrior, plus with injuries, it's nice to have the depth. Also, isn't Kreidwaldt is the one who suffers from Chronic back problems...

skarocksoi
12-10-2006, 11:12 PM
I knew Kreidwaldt was older, but I didnt know of any back problems. If the rookie can beat out Kreidwaldt, then I'm all for it. I just figured that they would go with experience over youth for what basically would be a backup for a long while, assuming Harris is your potential replacement of Farrior. It would basically be taking a guy high in the fourth that could end up being on the practice squad for a few years. If it was the guy you had before (Eric Foster?) in a later round I think it would make more sense value wise. I see your reasoning and it makes sense, I'm just not sure if we would do that.

Also, in that draft, where did you get 3 4th rounders? I know there was a trade but where does the 3rd come from? Thanks.

THav916
12-11-2006, 12:03 AM
I really like your draft where it is now, although it seems a little LB heavy. I dont see why we'd take 2 middle backers in this draft unless Farrior retires at the end of this year, but since you have 3 picks going in the 4th, it doesn't really matter. Anyways, its a very good draft and adresses all of our big needs as of right now, plus its got a lot of quality. It's nice to get some quality info from someone who's got inside connections.

I agree with trading down in the first. I think the guys that we would target (spencer) could be picked up toward the end of the 1st and allow us to pick up something in the later rounds. Our draft position is somewhat odd, where we have a reasonably high pick, but no superstar talent looks to be available then and there as of now. So trading down and getting who we want at better value plus a later pick seems to be a smart move.

Ska,

My reasoning behind 2 ILBS. 1 Kreidwaldt is older and could be upgraded. Farrior doesn't have many years left... Goo, Warren and Harris would give us 3 options to replace Farrior, plus with injuries, it's nice to have the depth. Also, isn't Kreidwaldt is the one who suffers from Chronic back problems...

If you get rid of Kreidwaldt, who is the second ILB you'd get rid of? Rian Wallace or James Farrior?

Mr. Stiller
12-11-2006, 12:39 AM
I knew Kreidwaldt was older, but I didnt know of any back problems. If the rookie can beat out Kreidwaldt, then I'm all for it. I just figured that they would go with experience over youth for what basically would be a backup for a long while, assuming Harris is your potential replacement of Farrior. It would basically be taking a guy high in the fourth that could end up being on the practice squad for a few years. If it was the guy you had before (Eric Foster?) in a later round I think it would make more sense value wise. I see your reasoning and it makes sense, I'm just not sure if we would do that.

Also, in that draft, where did you get 3 4th rounders? I know there was a trade but where does the 3rd come from? Thanks.

from the loss of Randel El.

Mr. Stiller
12-11-2006, 12:40 AM
I really like your draft where it is now, although it seems a little LB heavy. I dont see why we'd take 2 middle backers in this draft unless Farrior retires at the end of this year, but since you have 3 picks going in the 4th, it doesn't really matter. Anyways, its a very good draft and adresses all of our big needs as of right now, plus its got a lot of quality. It's nice to get some quality info from someone who's got inside connections.

I agree with trading down in the first. I think the guys that we would target (spencer) could be picked up toward the end of the 1st and allow us to pick up something in the later rounds. Our draft position is somewhat odd, where we have a reasonably high pick, but no superstar talent looks to be available then and there as of now. So trading down and getting who we want at better value plus a later pick seems to be a smart move.

Ska,

My reasoning behind 2 ILBS. 1 Kreidwaldt is older and could be upgraded. Farrior doesn't have many years left... Goo, Warren and Harris would give us 3 options to replace Farrior, plus with injuries, it's nice to have the depth. Also, isn't Kreidwaldt is the one who suffers from Chronic back problems...

If you get rid of Kreidwaldt, who is the second ILB you'd get rid of? Rian Wallace or James Farrior?

We're losing Logan most likely .. why can't we be 3 deep at LB. I'm sure one of them could be a utility backer like Harrison.

Put it this way... We had to sign Chad Brown, Marquis cooper.. I don't see why being 3 deep at LB..

I mean, We need to train some youngins, Arnold Harrison might not be back, and we don't have much depth past James Harrison.. and He got injured... Not saying it could happen, But i'd rather not rely on having to rely on Arnold, Chad, and Marquis.

mikehop05
12-11-2006, 02:10 AM
I feel pretty confident that we will not draft anyone for the secondary on the first day. They are all young (minus townsend), and honestly you can't blame them for other team's successes in throwing the ball when we have trouble getting to the quarterback.

Right now, I feel that the Steelers need players to make an imediate impact, they are not as bad as their record indicates (of course, debateable), and I really feel that a talented pass rusher, an experienced and solid offensive linemen, or a big reciever in the first round would be the best bet. And of course these guys obviously provide depth for the future if they don't start right away (mainly o-linemen).

Having said that, I would love to see Dwayne Jarrett with our first round pick. I woud hardly compare us to the Lions making consecutive recievers their #1 picks, but I feel that he can make the catches that Nate Washington makes, and then also the ones that he doesn't. He can share time with the veterans (minus Hines) at Split End and at the Slot.

In the second, there are a few ways to go. Depending on where players fall, I would like to see us get Lamarr Woodley, OLB/DE, Michigan. I think he can make an imediate impact in pass rushing scenarios and after a year or two of grooming can take over for the Man we love but others hate, Joey Porter. If he doesn't fall that far, I hope Joe Staley, OT, does. The guy would be an ideal Left tackle for us, and his athletism would be a giant leap over Marvel Smith, who really isn't all that bad and has the size to goto right tackle for Max Starks.
There is the probability that both are gone here, and if that is the case I think we go with the best Linemen available. Maybe Beekman BC, Blalock Texas if he falls. Over all, I'd love to get Woodley.

Third round I think we have to go Tony Hunt. Power back who can contend for the 3rd down spot if he blocks well enough. Perfect thunder to Willie's lightning.

Fourth, I will jump on the bandwagon on Brian Smith, OLB. If he is there he can add depth to the other OLB spot, and eventually take over. But, If we grab Woodley, I think we have to go Nathan Bennet, OG. Can push Simmons / Kemo and either make them better or add depth to Faneca.

Fifth, I am so down with Stanback. So down.

Sixth Round, Josh Wilson, CB, UMD. He will either be boom or bust. He is incredibly fast and can hit.

Seventh, Conrad Bolston, DT, UMD. He won't be here this late, but I am not sure where we have extra picks. Regardless, the guy is a strong mamma jamma and is very under rated.

Others: FB Dante Rosario - Huge guy who doesn't run the ball much but can catch it out of the backfield / knock guys on their butts. Krieder is getting old and it may be time for another FB soon.

Punter Adam Podlesh - UMD - Kid has a great foot as well as being a heck of an athlete. Though Gardocki has never hada punt blocked, he boots em about 30 yards. Podlesh will double that.

Mr. Stiller
12-11-2006, 02:31 AM
I feel pretty confident that we will not draft anyone for the secondary on the first day. They are all young (minus townsend), and honestly you can't blame them for other team's successes in throwing the ball when we have trouble getting to the quarterback.

I agree

Right now, I feel that the Steelers need players to make an imediate impact, they are not as bad as their record indicates (of course, debateable), and I really feel that a talented pass rusher, an experienced and solid offensive linemen, or a big reciever in the first round would be the best bet. And of course these guys obviously provide depth for the future if they don't start right away (mainly o-linemen).

Agree, But I disagree. Do we need to draft another Startable Olineman. As bad as the oline has played, look how well they shined the season before. They played bad this season but point me out 1 person who hadn't. The entire team dropped their level. I think drafting an early lineman will hurt us because we have 4 guys in the rafters as is, and they're all unproven.. Keomeatu and Essex both started for part of our 15-1 season and honestly, they impressed me. I wish Starks and Essex would get in shape, but they know how and what to do. I think Grabbing Bennett at 4 is all we need to give us solid backing. Faneca still has atleast 3-5 years left, a little early to take a big name, but not too early for a developmental guy.

Having said that, I would love to see Dwayne Jarrett with our first round pick. I woud hardly compare us to the Lions making consecutive recievers their #1 picks, but I feel that he can make the catches that Nate Washington makes, and then also the ones that he doesn't. He can share time with the veterans (minus Hines) at Split End and at the Slot.

I love Jarrett, but we still have a lot of young talent at WR. I'm not saying Nate Washington/Santonio Holmes/Walter Young/Willie Reid will every make a pro-bowl, but it's awfully early to replace one of them without knowing what they can do. If we somehow trade with the Pats and get both of their firsts... I'm thinking Sidney Rice would be the guy there, as Jarrett should (And I have a feeling CJ doesn't come out) be gone.

In the second, there are a few ways to go. Depending on where players fall, I would like to see us get Lamarr Woodley, OLB/DE, Michigan. I think he can make an imediate impact in pass rushing scenarios and after a year or two of grooming can take over for the Man we love but others hate, Joey Porter. If he doesn't fall that far, I hope Joe Staley, OT, does. The guy would be an ideal Left tackle for us, and his athletism would be a giant leap over Marvel Smith, who really isn't all that bad and has the size to goto right tackle for Max Starks.

I can't see LaMarr as a OLB, We need guys that can drop into coverage as well and I don't see LaMarr capable of doing that. Anthony Spencer is my #1 OLB guy, with Dan Bazuin as my #2. LaMarr IMO Will never be more than a 4-3 DE. I like Joe Staley but honestly, Marvels pretty young, and frankly he was a pro-bowler not even 3 years ago.. I don't see the need to drafting his replacement this early and frankly as much as he was better on the right side... we have too much money in his contract to be at RT.

There is the probability that both are gone here, and if that is the case I think we go with the best Linemen available. Maybe Beekman BC, Blalock Texas if he falls. Over all, I'd love to get Woodley.

I don't like Blalock in Black and gold. I'm not going to say it's not possible because he may prove things at the combine and interviews that I won't know up front. He's too soft and I don't see him as an upgrade over the two guys we have on the right side of the line anyways.

Third round I think we have to go Tony Hunt. Power back who can contend for the 3rd down spot if he blocks well enough. Perfect thunder to Willie's lightning.

Blocking is the only thing I don't know if he's got down yet. He's certainly a great Reciever out of the backfield, great at short yardage, he doesn't have Najehs Speed, but he doesn't have Najehs injury history.

Fourth, I will jump on the bandwagon on Brian Smith, OLB. If he is there he can add depth to the other OLB spot, and eventually take over. But, If we grab Woodley, I think we have to go Nathan Bennet, OG. Can push Simmons / Kemo and either make them better or add depth to Faneca.

Welcome aboard. We will likely have a comp pick in the 4th for Randel El... So why not add both? :)

Fifth, I am so down with Stanback. So down.

As am I.. I won't say he's bust proof because thats impossible, but he provides the ability to excel at 2 positions so if he doesn't do well at the other, atleast he has another he could possibly win at the other

Sixth Round, Josh Wilson, CB, UMD. He will either be boom or bust. He is incredibly fast and can hit.

I love Josh Wilson, although a bit undersized, he'll likely be top 5-10 in 40' times. Although there's no way he makes it past round 4 on Return abilities alone. (Like Willie Reid/Devin Hester, and he's 4x the CB that hester was).

Seventh, Conrad Bolston, DT, UMD. He won't be here this late, but I am not sure where we have extra picks. Regardless, the guy is a strong mamma jamma and is very under rated.

I love me big mama jammas... but Bolston would not make it to 7 barring a huge injury or every Junior/Soph DT declare because he's one of possibly 3 draftable guys that are built for the 3-4 NT position.

Others: FB Dante Rosario - Huge guy who doesn't run the ball much but can catch it out of the backfield / knock guys on their butts. Krieder is getting old and it may be time for another FB soon.

I like Rosario, the problem is Kreider is a great FB, totally underrated. We need a Faster Blocker... Brandon Snow, Nate Ilaoa(Hawaii's RB.. 5'9 250lbs and just a nasty runner/blocker), Oren O'Neal are guys i look at. Brian Leonard would be great if he were a day 2 prospect. Kreider is a great blocker for Najeh/Tony Hunt.. but Willie runs into him so often because danimal doesn't have the speed to get out there and block, where a Guy like Ilaoa(a fav player of mine) Is small but he's like Hunt, Good hands, But very good blocker.. he's the main blocker in their pass happy system.

Punter Adam Podlesh - UMD - Kid has a great foot as well as being a heck of an athlete. Though Gardocki has never hada punt blocked, he boots em about 30 yards. Podlesh will double that.

I like Podlesh, Graessle or Brandon Fields.

skarocksoi
12-11-2006, 09:24 AM
Kreider is probably the third best FB in the NFL behind Lorenzo Neal and Mack Strong in terms of blocking, so I really dont think we need to replace him. I know people are saying he isnt fast enough to run with Willie, but thats more Willies fault I believe. He shouldnt be running ahead of Kreider if he is blocking for him, he should run behind him until Kreider hits his block and then accelerate through the hole thats made.

I think I've seen a lot of singleback sets with Willie in it this year that have Miller as the blocker. Its like 3 recievers and Miller usually goes in motion to the other side, then they run the play that way or sometimes its a pass. If you continue some of that and throw in a power I runner like Hunt, I think you'd be able to really switch up our running game and get more yards running and passing.

DeathbyStat
12-11-2006, 09:32 AM
As a penn state season ticket holder i've seen Pos play some 3-4 and he is not very good at it.

skarocksoi
12-11-2006, 09:59 AM
Tommy Maddox Alert:
I just heard that Maddox tried out for Dallas to back up Romo and had the worst workout ever and couldnt make the team. They also wanted Vinnie Testeverde over Maddox, but he was off the market. Oh how you have fallen Tommy, oh how you have fallen

Up next is the latest Kordell Stewart sighting.

But seriously, when has PSU played the 3-4 this year? I know we sort of do a hybrid kinda thing with Shaw as a stand up rusher, but its 4 lineman most of the time, except for maybe passing downs.

Sgt Pepper
12-11-2006, 12:03 PM
PSU did run a 34 defense most of the season. They used Shaw as a weakside LB but put him in a 3 point stance.

mikehop05
12-11-2006, 01:01 PM
I love Poz but I just don't think he'd bea good fit for the Steelers.

And Stiller, whereas I agree with most of your comments, I disagree when it comes to Woodley.

I think in the first year we can bring him in obvious passing siuations and let him loose on the QB. Even stand him up as an end in the 3 - 4 when its 3rd and 7+.

I think eventually he can drop into coverage after a year or two. He reminds me of Gildon, Strong and a motor that never quits. One of our weakest spots this year is the ability to get to the quarterback. If you throw him along with kiesel, porter, and harrison at the quarterback, one is going to get good pressure.

Spencer may be the better all around player, but I think its Woodley's ability to get to the quarterback that we need for next season.

skarocksoi
12-11-2006, 03:50 PM
Poz is really the prototypical Steelers linebacker, but not in the physical sense. The guy is a throwback to the old school linebackers of the 70's, like Ham and Lambert. Now, he just doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme that we run, but hes got the work ethic and intangibles that we love in a guy. Penn State has that same blue collar attitude towards football that the steelers have.

I wouldnt call PSU a straight 3-4 defense like ours is. Tim Shaw lined up at the line of scrimmage standing up and basically rushed the passer almost every down. He was basically a 4-3 defensive end that stands up. Sometimes on third and long they would drop him back into coverage, but not that often. So its more of a hybrid 3-4 than a straight 3-4 and the only person who I think you could judge about how they would play in that system is Tim Shaw, simply because he had the closest role to what you would see in the 3-4. Paul basically played MLB in a 4-3 as far as his assignments were concerned.

I think Paul would be good in whatever system that has him focused on stopping the run. He's got great instincts to shut down RB's and takes great angles to make the tackle. I dont think he's that great in coverage, and his pass rushing is ok.

Sgt Pepper
12-11-2006, 05:47 PM
While PSU didn't run a typical 3-4 it couldn't be called anything else. Most of the time they had someone over the center and a rushing linebacker from the weak side. That is the way many college programs run a 3-4 defense.

In the pros most 3-4 teams don't have a strong or weakside linebacker. They have a left and a right side and the blitz schemes come from all over. They don't have a designated weakside pass rusher.

That said, Shaw and Poz would both be better fit for a 4-3 scheme. I think Poz could possibly succeed in a 3-4 as MLB but Shaw could never cut it in the pros on the outside.

The best fit for Poz and Shaw is a 4-3 OLB, like they played the first 3 years of their career at PSU.

Mr. Stiller
12-12-2006, 04:51 AM
It just hit me... But ..


poz = Zach Thomas?

Mr. Stiller
12-12-2006, 08:00 AM
While PSU didn't run a typical 3-4 it couldn't be called anything else. Most of the time they had someone over the center and a rushing linebacker from the weak side. That is the way many college programs run a 3-4 defense.

In the pros most 3-4 teams don't have a strong or weakside linebacker. They have a left and a right side and the blitz schemes come from all over. They don't have a designated weakside pass rusher.

That said, Shaw and Poz would both be better fit for a 4-3 scheme. I think Poz could possibly succeed in a 3-4 as MLB but Shaw could never cut it in the pros on the outside.

The best fit for Poz and Shaw is a 4-3 OLB, like they played the first 3 years of their career at PSU.

Poz would be a good MLB for a team like Indy or anyone else that runs the Cover 2. I think Shaw could add about 20 lbs and play 3-4 OLB or 4-3 OLB.

skarocksoi
12-12-2006, 10:22 AM
It just hit me... But ..


poz = Zach Thomas?

Well maybe in that he will probably be a solid pro starter for most of his career, yet never receive any great accolades for his accomplishments, then I would say yeah. Physically? Paul is listed at at 6'2" and 240 where Thomas is 5'11", 230. Paul could probably beef up a couple more pounds too. Im not really familiar with Thomas, so you'd have to flesh out that comparison a little more for me.

Mr. Stiller
12-12-2006, 10:53 AM
It just hit me... But ..


poz = Zach Thomas?

Well maybe in that he will probably be a solid pro starter for most of his career, yet never receive any great accolades for his accomplishments, then I would say yeah. Physically? Paul is listed at at 6'2" and 240 where Thomas is 5'11", 230. Paul could probably beef up a couple more pounds too. Im not really familiar with Thomas, so you'd have to flesh out that comparison a little more for me.

Thomas has been a Pro-bowler and played like 17 years at MLB in a hybrid 3-4 defense that Miami Runs. He's played MLB in their 4-3 and he's an ILB in the 3-4 Hybrid they run with Jason Taylor dropping.

mikehop05
12-12-2006, 01:28 PM
the thing about having someone like poz on your team is that you'll never have to question whether or not hes giving 110%

the only thing is, is whether that will be enough

richdg
12-12-2006, 05:11 PM
I really don't want to get into a huge Poz debate, I realize most Steelers fans are also PSU fans. But PSU's own web site list Poz at 6-2/229. Most of the time, players are listed taller and heavier than they really are. This brings me back to the to small opinion. Plus, he already has had 1 serious knee injury. Not the type of guy I would risk a first round pick on.

Mr. Stiller
12-12-2006, 09:15 PM
I really don't want to get into a huge Poz debate, I realize most Steelers fans are also PSU fans. But PSU's own web site list Poz at 6-2/229. Most of the time, players are listed taller and heavier than they really are. This brings me back to the to small opinion. Plus, he already has had 1 serious knee injury. Not the type of guy I would risk a first round pick on.

Poz was ranked a top 5 pick last year... If our coaching goes the way of a 4-3.. this guy is Certainly my #1 pick.

richdg
12-12-2006, 09:22 PM
That ranking was before he blow out his knee. He may be a good player in the NFL. But why take a risk, when their are other great players out there that are less of a risk.

mikehop05
12-12-2006, 09:33 PM
who would be less of a risk in your opinion then?

Mr. Stiller
12-12-2006, 09:49 PM
That ranking was before he blow out his knee. He may be a good player in the NFL. But why take a risk, when their are other great players out there that are less of a risk.

I'd say he's closer to a non-risk than a big bust player...

TerribleEd
12-12-2006, 10:42 PM
I too believe that OLB is the logical round one target considering it's not a very deep "tweener" draft and because both Haggans and Porter become UFA's after 2007.

Has anyone else considered that Quentin Moses of Georgia may fall to the Steelers? 4-3 teams picking ahead of them may feel he is too small to warrant a high first round grade as a 4-3 DE.

What do yinz think of Quentin Moses as a first round OLB possibility?

TerribleEd
12-12-2006, 10:50 PM
Here is a recent article about Quentin Moses's draft stock. I didn't realize his sack production fell so significantly this year (3.5 sacks). He did have 11.5 sacks as a junior, however.

http://georgia-football.aolsportsblog.com/2006/12/04/quentin-moses-is-top-dawg-in-2007-nfl-draft/

Mr. Stiller
12-13-2006, 12:41 AM
I too believe that OLB is the logical round one target considering it's not a very deep "tweener" draft and because both Haggans and Porter become UFA's after 2007.

Has anyone else considered that Quentin Moses of Georgia may fall to the Steelers? 4-3 teams picking ahead of them may feel he is too small to warrant a high first round grade as a 4-3 DE.

What do yinz think of Quentin Moses as a first round OLB possibility?

I'm on the fence..

I think a guy like Anthony Spencer coming off a more solid showing, might help us... But Moses is a guy from Georgia.

I think he has the athleticism.. I'd rather him than Woodley.

Mr. Stiller
12-13-2006, 12:53 AM
Here is a recent article about Quentin Moses's draft stock. I didn't realize his sack production fell so significantly this year (3.5 sacks). He did have 11.5 sacks as a junior, however.

http://georgia-football.aolsportsblog.com/2006/12/04/quentin-moses-is-top-dawg-in-2007-nfl-draft/


after reading a few other articles...

I might even Consider Whoever the faster is between Charles Johnson/Quentin Moses..

Depending on Moses going to the senior bowl, Johnsons speed vs Size (he's 6'2, 270lbs.)...

I'm up for options but Spencer has proven the most out of all DE's for OLB moves.. Kind of makes you regret not getting Ray Edwards last year :(

CDub
12-13-2006, 08:09 AM
Well, so much for Orien Harris. He was signed off our practice squad by Cleveland.


If he runs a decent time and show that despite a down year he hasn't lost any athleticism, I would gladly take Moses.

I think going against Carolina's outstanding D-line this week (and next week against B-more) will go a long way towards answering our questions about our O-line and how much importance should be placed on improving it this off-season. If they continue their play from last week for the rest of the year, then I think we'll just be looking to add some depth.

Mr. Stiller
12-13-2006, 09:21 AM
Well, so much for Orien Harris. He was signed off our practice squad by Cleveland.


If he runs a decent time and show that despite a down year he hasn't lost any athleticism, I would gladly take Moses.

I think going against Carolina's outstanding D-line this week (and next week against B-more) will go a long way towards answering our questions about our O-line and how much importance should be placed on improving it this off-season. If they continue their play from last week for the rest of the year, then I think we'll just be looking to add some depth.

by add sojme depth I think Nathan Bennett is it.

skarocksoi
12-13-2006, 10:49 AM
Well, so much for Orien Harris. He was signed off our practice squad by Cleveland.


If he runs a decent time and show that despite a down year he hasn't lost any athleticism, I would gladly take Moses.

I think going against Carolina's outstanding D-line this week (and next week against B-more) will go a long way towards answering our questions about our O-line and how much importance should be placed on improving it this off-season. If they continue their play from last week for the rest of the year, then I think we'll just be looking to add some depth.

Shaun Nua is back, or did he never leave? Either way, I think Stillers manditory 7th round pick is justified even more now, because D line depth is definitely needed.

Mr. Stiller
12-13-2006, 11:20 AM
Well, so much for Orien Harris. He was signed off our practice squad by Cleveland.


If he runs a decent time and show that despite a down year he hasn't lost any athleticism, I would gladly take Moses.

I think going against Carolina's outstanding D-line this week (and next week against B-more) will go a long way towards answering our questions about our O-line and how much importance should be placed on improving it this off-season. If they continue their play from last week for the rest of the year, then I think we'll just be looking to add some depth.

Shaun Nua is back, or did he never leave? Either way, I think Stillers manditory 7th round pick is justified even more now, because D line depth is definitely needed.

I just saw another guy the other day and as much as I love Francis, i saw him and I think he's going to be a monster...

Crap...


Melila Purcell and Van Houston are 2 other guys to look into.

skarocksoi
12-13-2006, 11:44 AM
A guy who we could probably get from UDFA to play at DT is Ed Johnson, a DT for Penn State. He's listed at 6'1", 290 although I think me might be a little heavier cause he looks pretty big when you see him. He's been a beast in the middle though and has just knocked guys flat. And the Steelers love picking up PSU's leftovers, seeing as how Scott Paxton is back on the practice squad.

CDub
12-13-2006, 12:07 PM
A guy who we could probably get from UDFA to play at DT is Ed Johnson, a DT for Penn State. He's listed at 6'1", 290 although I think me might be a little heavier cause he looks pretty big when you see him. He's been a beast in the middle though and has just knocked guys flat. And the Steelers love picking up PSU's leftovers, seeing as how Scott Paxton is back on the practice squad.

You might think I'm crazy, but Ed Johnson reminds me of Chris Hoke. An undersized guy for a 3-4 NT, but he plays wih such a high motor he can make up for it. From what I've seen of Johnson, and I've watched most of PSU's games his year, he has some very impressive jump off the snap. I think he could be used in passing situations, using his quickness to get to the QB.

CDub
12-13-2006, 12:11 PM
Also, have any of you guys been reading Ed Bouchett's daily questions in the PPG? I think he's had some good insights lately about Cowher's future and the advantages of having a big WR. Normally I'm not too high on Bouchett, but I've found myself agreeing with his last few articles.

mikehop05
12-13-2006, 02:10 PM
I know Stiller and I don't agree on who the Steelers should take as their first OLB choice. I think Woodley in the 2nd would be a steal for us, he can come in and pass rush right away and in 2 years or so he can tkae over at OLB after he learns to drop into coverage better. His motor is amazing, and he simply over powers backs when they try to block him,

Anthony Spencer is alright, he is a good athlete and I wouldn't mind us taking him. But that would have to be our #1, and I still think we should get Jarrett with our #1.

mikehop05
12-13-2006, 02:29 PM
actually, scratch that.

I don't see us really taking Jarrett next year.

Lets get both Spencer and Woodley, rounds one and two.

Thats going to push Porter/Haggans/Harrison to work their butt off.

And if Woodley/Spencer are better, then they get the PT.

skarocksoi
12-13-2006, 04:01 PM
A guy who we could probably get from UDFA to play at DT is Ed Johnson, a DT for Penn State. He's listed at 6'1", 290 although I think me might be a little heavier cause he looks pretty big when you see him. He's been a beast in the middle though and has just knocked guys flat. And the Steelers love picking up PSU's leftovers, seeing as how Scott Paxton is back on the practice squad.

You might think I'm crazy, but Ed Johnson reminds me of Chris Hoke. An undersized guy for a 3-4 NT, but he plays wih such a high motor he can make up for it. From what I've seen of Johnson, and I've watched most of PSU's games his year, he has some very impressive jump off the snap. I think he could be used in passing situations, using his quickness to get to the QB.

I completely agree with you on that. I doubt he'd ever be more than a situational backup kind of guy, but he plays really hard and has outplayed Jay Alford for most of the year. He could replace an older Hoke and save some cap room in a year or so.

Also, have any of you guys been reading Ed Bouchett's daily questions in the PPG? I think he's had some good insights lately about Cowher's future and the advantages of having a big WR. Normally I'm not too high on Bouchett, but I've found myself agreeing with his last few articles.

I dont get to read the PPG, but I have watched him on Savrans Sportsbeat, and I agree with a lot of the things hes had to say. What exactly was he saying about Cowher?

Mr. Stiller
12-13-2006, 09:58 PM
actually, scratch that.

I don't see us really taking Jarrett next year.

Lets get both Spencer and Woodley, rounds one and two.

Thats going to push Porter/Haggans/Harrison to work their butt off.

And if Woodley/Spencer are better, then they get the PT.

I think Harris is more important to us rd 2.. I can't see Woodley doing good at OLB. I Think if Moses falls to round 2.

We're 3 deep at OLB... even if it's only temp, so a starter and a Project work.

same for ILB...

As much as I love Jarrett I could see us trading down...I'll have to look into it.

steelcrew43
12-13-2006, 10:02 PM
im going to do three jersey transfers for the steelers in a nice design

im picking jarrett for one

i just need ideas for two more guys

mikehop05
12-13-2006, 11:11 PM
tony hunt

lamarr woodley / anthoney spencer

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 05:29 AM
tony hunt

lamarr woodley / anthoney spencer


Anthony Spencer, David Harris, Tony Hunt, Brian Smith, Nathan Bennett, Justin Warren, Isaiah Stanback, Ben Patrick, Ikaika Alama-Francis.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 10:27 AM
tony hunt

lamarr woodley / anthoney spencer


Anthony Spencer, David Harris, Tony Hunt, Brian Smith, Nathan Bennett, Justin Warren, Isaiah Stanback, Ben Patrick, Ikaika Alama-Francis.

you forgot woodley :lol:

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 11:04 AM
tony hunt

lamarr woodley / anthoney spencer


Anthony Spencer, David Harris, Tony Hunt, Brian Smith, Nathan Bennett, Justin Warren, Isaiah Stanback, Ben Patrick, Ikaika Alama-Francis.

you forgot woodley :lol:

I talked to Joe Staley for about 3 hours today (Still am).. he joined my forums..

after talking to him.. This kid better be a steeler. He said he doesn't think Dan Bazuin could play OLB in a 3-4 without alot of practice...

I was a believer in him before but he's by far the best prospect i've ever talked to.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 11:47 AM
what round/spot do you think we can land him in?

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 11:49 AM
what round/spot do you think we can land him in?


Staley? Late 1, Early 2 at the latest.


I'm thinking we trade down.... if we have to take him with our first rounder then fine.


His family is from Uniontown and he's a steelers fan through and through.

I think him on Pittsburgh... would make us ridiculous... he and I agreed his only weakness is sometimes he relies too much on his athleticism and forgets how strong he is..

But I think Joe Thomas Is Stronger, I think Staley is the more athletic/better footwork.. he'd be perfect leading the way for willie.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 11:51 AM
so then would we use my idea of putting him at LT and moving marvel to RT?

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 12:13 PM
so then would we use my idea of putting him at LT and moving marvel to RT?

At first let him work at LT.. Facing guys like Derrick Burgess/Justin Smith.

Then When Marvels Contract is up... Move him to LT and See what we have for RT or talk Marvel into signing for RT money.

but I think Joe Staley is perfect for us... Athletic/smart/levelheaded, just needs to trust his strength more.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 02:29 PM
i agree

i liked him since the beginning, thats cool you got to talk to him

if we get him in the first, we need to get woodley in the 2nd

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 03:39 PM
i agree

i liked him since the beginning, thats cool you got to talk to him

if we get him in the first, we need to get woodley in the 2nd

I don't know... Joe Said he's the best DE he's faced in game time.. I'm just not sold on his progression to OLB.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 04:20 PM
he can play DE also in pass rush scenarios

CDub
12-14-2006, 04:51 PM
A guy who we could probably get from UDFA to play at DT is Ed Johnson, a DT for Penn State. He's listed at 6'1", 290 although I think me might be a little heavier cause he looks pretty big when you see him. He's been a beast in the middle though and has just knocked guys flat. And the Steelers love picking up PSU's leftovers, seeing as how Scott Paxton is back on the practice squad.

You might think I'm crazy, but Ed Johnson reminds me of Chris Hoke. An undersized guy for a 3-4 NT, but he plays wih such a high motor he can make up for it. From what I've seen of Johnson, and I've watched most of PSU's games his year, he has some very impressive jump off the snap. I think he could be used in passing situations, using his quickness to get to the QB.


I completely agree with you on that. I doubt he'd ever be more than a situational backup kind of guy, but he plays really hard and has outplayed Jay Alford for most of the year. He could replace an older Hoke and save some cap room in a year or so.

Also, have any of you guys been reading Ed Bouchett's daily questions in the PPG? I think he's had some good insights lately about Cowher's future and the advantages of having a big WR. Normally I'm not too high on Bouchett, but I've found myself agreeing with his last few articles.

I dont get to read the PPG, but I have watched him on Savrans Sportsbeat, and I agree with a lot of the things hes had to say. What exactly was he saying about Cowher?

On Cowher:

http://pittsburghpost-gazette.com/pg/06345/745328-367.stm

On a big WR:

http://pittsburghpost-gazette.com/pg/06347/745353-367.stm

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 05:01 PM
he can play DE also in pass rush scenarios

But is that enough to warrant a 2nd rounder? A situational pass rusher at best?

THav916
12-14-2006, 06:58 PM
he can play DE also in pass rush scenarios

But is that enough to warrant a 2nd rounder? A situational pass rusher at best?

I'll jump into this. I personally think Woodley can do more, so I think we'd be drafting more than just a situational pass rusher. That is your opinion that's all he can be, and I'd agree, if that's all I thought, I wouldnt want him either. But I think more.

When did Staley move out of Uniontown?

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 07:36 PM
he can play DE also in pass rush scenarios

But is that enough to warrant a 2nd rounder? A situational pass rusher at best?

I'll jump into this. I personally think Woodley can do more, so I think we'd be drafting more than just a situational pass rusher. That is your opinion that's all he can be, and I'd agree, if that's all I thought, I wouldnt want him either. But I think more.

When did Staley move out of Uniontown?

I think he said he was about 6.. so.. 17 years ago?

richdg
12-14-2006, 07:54 PM
With Long and Baker both staying in school, Staley will be gone by the time we pick. He is the #2 T in the draft.

Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 08:06 PM
With Long and Baker both staying in school, Staley will be gone by the time we pick. He is the #2 T in the draft.

I doubt he'll be gone by our pick.

richdg
12-14-2006, 08:58 PM
It all depends on how we finish. He will be gone by the 18th pick. I see us around 20. So it will be close. I'm not sure if he is the best choise, but I wouldn't mind if we got him. he is a very good player.

Smooth Criminal
12-14-2006, 09:00 PM
Tackle depth in this draft took a hit with Long and Baker not declaring.

I think Patrick Willis looks like a great pick right now. There arn't many great OL prospects in the first round this year so we'll look somewhere else. I'm guessing either LB or WR.

Willis would give us better depth on the inside which will be needed because Farrior will probably need more plays off with how old he is getting. Plus he would be able to help out our special teams coverages.

Dwayne Jarrett looks like an even better pick with Long and Baker both not declaring.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 09:08 PM
With Long and Baker both staying in school, Staley will be gone by the time we pick. He is the #2 T in the draft.

I doubt he'll be gone by our pick.

you hope he wont be gone by our pick lol

THav916
12-14-2006, 09:08 PM
Tackle depth in this draft took a hit with Long and Baker not declaring.

I think Patrick Willis looks like a great pick right now. There arn't many great OL prospects in the first round this year so we'll look somewhere else. I'm guessing either LB or WR.

Willis would give us better depth on the inside which will be needed because Farrior will probably need more plays off with how old he is getting. Plus he would be able to help out our special teams coverages.

Dwayne Jarrett looks like an even better pick with Long and Baker both not declaring.

I agree about Willis and Jarrett. If the tackle poll is weakened and Staley is gone, that could eliminate the o-line. OLB seems like another position we're not really sure about. There are doubts about each one that might be there, Spencer, Poz, Woodley. Anytime you can grab the best player at his position, such as Patrick Willis, at a position of need, is a tempting selection. And I absolutely hate the thinking, "David Harris is a better fit in round 2." You can't make your 2nd round pick before your 1st round pick, ever. And Jarrett I agree with just cuz of the value and talent. Maybe his baseball situation would hold us back, but I'm a Samardzija fan as well.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 09:26 PM
i hope willis is there but i doubt he will be...

if he was there id be pretty excited to grab him there

I'd love to grab Jarrett as well, as long as we can get woodley in the 2nd

skarocksoi
12-14-2006, 09:43 PM
Tackle depth in this draft took a hit with Long and Baker not declaring.

I think Patrick Willis looks like a great pick right now. There arn't many great OL prospects in the first round this year so we'll look somewhere else. I'm guessing either LB or WR.

Willis would give us better depth on the inside which will be needed because Farrior will probably need more plays off with how old he is getting. Plus he would be able to help out our special teams coverages.

Dwayne Jarrett looks like an even better pick with Long and Baker both not declaring.

I agree about Willis and Jarrett. If the tackle poll is weakened and Staley is gone, that could eliminate the o-line. OLB seems like another position we're not really sure about. There are doubts about each one that might be there, Spencer, Poz, Woodley. Anytime you can grab the best player at his position, such as Patrick Willis, at a position of need, is a tempting selection. And I absolutely hate the thinking, "David Harris is a better fit in round 2." You can't make your 2nd round pick before your 1st round pick, ever. And Jarrett I agree with just cuz of the value and talent. Maybe his baseball situation would hold us back, but I'm a Samardzija fan as well.

Why can't you have a pick for the second round before you have one for the first? If you go into the draft without a set plan and just "take what is best available" you are going to screw over your team for the next several years. Look at teams like the Lions and the Cardinals. They pick up the biggest names instead of picking up what was needed and now they are in the crapper with little hope for the next few years.

Players fall into certain rounds and dont really change that much. Some guys are first rounders, others are first or second rounders, and so on and so on. A team can use this information to come up with a draft strategy to effectively get the best players possible for the team at the best possible value. We wouldn't have picked up guys like Anthony Smith and Santonio Holmes if we didnt have a plan. Obviously things change come draft time and you cant be set in stone with who you want or you will end up picking guys out of place, like the Bills did, and not getting the value for your picks.

Like I said before, you can't have a plan as of now because you dont know where guys are going to fall now because the college and NFL seasons haven't played out, but if you dont have a plan, things will not go well.

THav916
12-14-2006, 09:56 PM
Tackle depth in this draft took a hit with Long and Baker not declaring.

I think Patrick Willis looks like a great pick right now. There arn't many great OL prospects in the first round this year so we'll look somewhere else. I'm guessing either LB or WR.

Willis would give us better depth on the inside which will be needed because Farrior will probably need more plays off with how old he is getting. Plus he would be able to help out our special teams coverages.

Dwayne Jarrett looks like an even better pick with Long and Baker both not declaring.

I agree about Willis and Jarrett. If the tackle poll is weakened and Staley is gone, that could eliminate the o-line. OLB seems like another position we're not really sure about. There are doubts about each one that might be there, Spencer, Poz, Woodley. Anytime you can grab the best player at his position, such as Patrick Willis, at a position of need, is a tempting selection. And I absolutely hate the thinking, "David Harris is a better fit in round 2." You can't make your 2nd round pick before your 1st round pick, ever. And Jarrett I agree with just cuz of the value and talent. Maybe his baseball situation would hold us back, but I'm a Samardzija fan as well.

Why can't you have a pick for the second round before you have one for the first? If you go into the draft without a set plan and just "take what is best available" you are going to screw over your team for the next several years. Look at teams like the Lions and the Cardinals. They pick up the biggest names instead of picking up what was needed and now they are in the crapper with little hope for the next few years.

Players fall into certain rounds and dont really change that much. Some guys are first rounders, others are first or second rounders, and so on and so on. A team can use this information to come up with a draft strategy to effectively get the best players possible for the team at the best possible value. We wouldn't have picked up guys like Anthony Smith and Santonio Holmes if we didnt have a plan. Obviously things change come draft time and you cant be set in stone with who you want or you will end up picking guys out of place, like the Bills did, and not getting the value for your picks.

Like I said before, you can't have a plan as of now because you dont know where guys are going to fall now because the college and NFL seasons haven't played out, but if you dont have a plan, things will not go well.

A plan is different than passing on Patrick Willis in the first round because you have David Harris slotted for the second. In my opinion, you can have Willis as part of your round 1 projections and David Harris as part of your round 2 projections. You consider Willis in the first and take him if he's the best choice out there. If you don't, you then strongly consider Harris in the 2nd. But no way, I pass on Willis because I THINK Harris will be available in round 2. No one knows what will happen in the 32 picks between you pick next. Players go earlier than projected every draft. Harris could easily go before our 2nd round pick. And that's why I don't pass on someone because I already have my 2nd round pick picked. Because you really dont. I agree there are dumb teams out there like the Lions and Bills. And by no means do i think what im saying would be drafting like them. And because you have such other dumb teams out there, it's more of a reason why you have no idea what a team will do, and a guy that should be available in the 2nd round, might get taken a lot higher than projected. A plan is good. Passing on a guy in one round cuz you have a guy slotted for round two is not. My opinion.

mikehop05
12-14-2006, 10:02 PM
Tackle depth in this draft took a hit with Long and Baker not declaring.

I think Patrick Willis looks like a great pick right now. There arn't many great OL prospects in the first round this year so we'll look somewhere else. I'm guessing either LB or WR.

Willis would give us better depth on the inside which will be needed because Farrior will probably need more plays off with how old he is getting. Plus he would be able to help out our special teams coverages.

Dwayne Jarrett looks like an even better pick with Long and Baker both not declaring.

I agree about Willis and Jarrett. If the tackle poll is weakened and Staley is gone, that could eliminate the o-line. OLB seems like another position we're not really sure about. There are doubts about each one that might be there, Spencer, Poz, Woodley. Anytime you can grab the best player at his position, such as Patrick Willis, at a position of need, is a tempting selection. And I absolutely hate the thinking, "David Harris is a better fit in round 2." You can't make your 2nd round pick before your 1st round pick, ever. And Jarrett I agree with just cuz of the value and talent. Maybe his baseball situation would hold us back, but I'm a Samardzija fan as well.

Why can't you have a pick for the second round before you have one for the first? If you go into the draft without a set plan and just "take what is best available" you are going to screw over your team for the next several years. Look at teams like the Lions and the Cardinals. They pick up the biggest names instead of picking up what was needed and now they are in the crapper with little hope for the next few years.

Players fall into certain rounds and dont really change that much. Some guys are first rounders, others are first or second rounders, and so on and so on. A team can use this information to come up with a draft strategy to effectively get the best players possible for the team at the best possible value. We wouldn't have picked up guys like Anthony Smith and Santonio Holmes if we didnt have a plan. Obviously things change come draft time and you cant be set in stone with who you want or you will end up picking guys out of place, like the Bills did, and not getting the value for your picks.

Like I said before, you can't have a plan as of now because you dont know where guys are going to fall now because the college and NFL seasons haven't played out, but if you dont have a plan, things will not go well.

you are acting like those teams just went in picking blindly...

granted, the lions picks were a bit questionable... but if charles or mike woulda worked out better then they'd have their offense set (at the time they thought joey was the anwser)

the cardinals are in no way bad off for the future. they have their quarterback and 2 stud recievers and back.

every team knows what they want to do, and picking BPA isn't necessarily bad, the chiefs did it when they grabbed LJ, everyone criticized that pick but they are sitting pretty right now with one of the top backs in the leauge who pretty much is keeping them in the playoff contention

the steelers can pick the best player available for the positions they need the first couple rounds and they will be fine

skarocksoi
12-15-2006, 09:22 PM
A plan is different than passing on Patrick Willis in the first round because you have David Harris slotted for the second. In my opinion, you can have Willis as part of your round 1 projections and David Harris as part of your round 2 projections. You consider Willis in the first and take him if he's the best choice out there. If you don't, you then strongly consider Harris in the 2nd. But no way, I pass on Willis because I THINK Harris will be available in round 2. No one knows what will happen in the 32 picks between you pick next. Players go earlier than projected every draft. Harris could easily go before our 2nd round pick. And that's why I don't pass on someone because I already have my 2nd round pick picked. Because you really dont. I agree there are dumb teams out there like the Lions and Bills. And by no means do i think what im saying would be drafting like them. And because you have such other dumb teams out there, it's more of a reason why you have no idea what a team will do, and a guy that should be available in the 2nd round, might get taken a lot higher than projected. A plan is good. Passing on a guy in one round cuz you have a guy slotted for round two is not. My opinion.



Im not saying we should pass on a guy just because we think we have an answer later on, but you need a plan of attack. Like I said, you need to be flexible and be able to change your strategy if a real stud falls, but you still need to make sure that he fits a team need and that you have some info on him. I have no problem with a BPA if its worthwhile (Im pretty sure Ben fell to us), but it needs to be a solid pick. Just because a player is projected high doesn't mean he's going to be a sure thing, so you need to know they guy you are going to pick.

I guess this is more of the kind of strategy that I like to see from us, and I probably missread something, but some of the comments I read before seemed to take a more carefree attitude towards who we take. The Steelers are a team who have historically built their best teams through the draft and to me, that is the best way of making a good team.

THav916
12-16-2006, 10:46 AM
A plan is different than passing on Patrick Willis in the first round because you have David Harris slotted for the second. In my opinion, you can have Willis as part of your round 1 projections and David Harris as part of your round 2 projections. You consider Willis in the first and take him if he's the best choice out there. If you don't, you then strongly consider Harris in the 2nd. But no way, I pass on Willis because I THINK Harris will be available in round 2. No one knows what will happen in the 32 picks between you pick next. Players go earlier than projected every draft. Harris could easily go before our 2nd round pick. And that's why I don't pass on someone because I already have my 2nd round pick picked. Because you really dont. I agree there are dumb teams out there like the Lions and Bills. And by no means do i think what im saying would be drafting like them. And because you have such other dumb teams out there, it's more of a reason why you have no idea what a team will do, and a guy that should be available in the 2nd round, might get taken a lot higher than projected. A plan is good. Passing on a guy in one round cuz you have a guy slotted for round two is not. My opinion.



Im not saying we should pass on a guy just because we think we have an answer later on, but you need a plan of attack. Like I said, you need to be flexible and be able to change your strategy if a real stud falls, but you still need to make sure that he fits a team need and that you have some info on him. I have no problem with a BPA if its worthwhile (Im pretty sure Ben fell to us), but it needs to be a solid pick. Just because a player is projected high doesn't mean he's going to be a sure thing, so you need to know they guy you are going to pick.

I guess this is more of the kind of strategy that I like to see from us, and I probably missread something, but some of the comments I read before seemed to take a more carefree attitude towards who we take. The Steelers are a team who have historically built their best teams through the draft and to me, that is the best way of making a good team.

Yeah thats not what I was talking about at all and i really just think we're talkin about two different things.

skarocksoi
12-17-2006, 01:16 PM
is anyone else seeing ryan clark playing on special teams? Did Anthony Smith take his job or are they just limiting his play?

mikehop05
12-17-2006, 02:25 PM
i dunno i cant see the game, but it looks like we are dominating

diabsoule
12-17-2006, 03:17 PM
That was just complete and total domination. We are picking up steam heading towards the playoffs. We might be able to get a spot, maybe...

mikehop05
12-17-2006, 03:59 PM
jacksonville losing helps

we need denver to lose also

THav916
12-17-2006, 05:41 PM
I'm gonna post that I disagree with anyone thinks we should draft a left tackle and move Marvel Smith to RT and get rid of Max Starks. Starks seems to be the main target of criticism on the line and I think Marvel is just as bad. Starks is younger and cheaper. If we draft a LT, I say have him start his career as a backup, and then hope he takes the starting spot in year 2, and cut Marvel at the same time, and we'd never even think about him again.

Smooth Criminal
12-17-2006, 08:52 PM
is anyone else seeing ryan clark playing on special teams? Did Anthony Smith take his job or are they just limiting his play?

I know Clack was injuried but he played a good bit on defense. My guess is they were just limiting his play so he didn't get hurt worse.

Smooth Criminal
12-17-2006, 08:54 PM
I'm gonna post that I disagree with anyone thinks we should draft a left tackle and move Marvel Smith to RT and get rid of Max Starks. Starks seems to be the main target of criticism on the line and I think Marvel is just as bad. Starks is younger and cheaper. If we draft a LT, I say have him start his career as a backup, and then hope he takes the starting spot in year 2, and cut Marvel at the same time, and we'd never even think about him again.

I have to agree with that. Both Marvel and Starks have been playing bad. Only difference is thet Marvel is due to make 5 million next year and Starks will probably get about 1.5.

If we draft a first round tackle it should be to back up Marvel until his contract is up in 2 or 3 years whenver that is.

skarocksoi
12-17-2006, 09:15 PM
Yeah Smith let guys just blow by him a couple times today, especially at the beginning of the game. It looked like they shored up their assignments (plus the hurt Panthers DE helped), but not a great day for him. It seems like every week its a different guy on the line that is just getting killed, and the only time the whole line looked really dominant is last week. Im starting to think more and more its not so much the talent level on the line, but the lack of motivation and maybe even a lack of preparation. I'm starting to wonder if Russ Grimm s really everything hes made out to be.

EdReedUnstoppable
12-18-2006, 03:10 PM
Flashbacks:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/wizardsfan00/pl_787221.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/wizardsfan00/pl_786009.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/wizardsfan00/pl_787231.jpg

mikehop05
12-18-2006, 03:28 PM
yeah yeah

we'll see

EdReedUnstoppable
12-18-2006, 03:56 PM
yeah yeah

we'll see

I actually think yall will win, since we seem to split every dam season, but just havin some fun with yall.

richdg
12-18-2006, 04:59 PM
ERU, you had better be hoping, praying begging that McNair is not hurt to long. If he is, Boller will lead you to.......... Well, you now where.

richdg
12-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Grimm is one of the best OL coaches out there. In fact he might be our next head coach. On that note, If Cowher wants to retire after next season, don't bring him back. it will be just another lost year. Great coach, but time to move on. Both for him and some of the players. before everyone gets to excited about being 7-7, please keep in mind we beat the Browns and a beat up (when are they ever healthy) Panthers team. Yes Smith and starks have struggled this year. But neither have played as bad as Simmons. Why he is still starting is reason enough to fire someone.

As for this upcoming draft, it is pretty weak at the positions we need the most help at. 2 good OT's, no real great LB's, most of the RB's are small, hurt (Bush) or a FB. This is a year when trading down makes the most sense. The difference in talent from 20 to 60 is very small. There are very few "great propects" out there. There are very few guys that can come in and start, at the positions we are weakest at.

THav916
12-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Grimm is one of the best OL coaches out there. In fact he might be our next head coach. On that note, If Cowher wants to retire after next season, don't bring him back. it will be just another lost year. Great coach, but time to move on. Both for him and some of the players. before everyone gets to excited about being 7-7, please keep in mind we beat the Browns and a beat up (when are they ever healthy) Panthers team. Yes Smith and starks have struggled this year. But neither have played as bad as Simmons. Why he is still starting is reason enough to fire someone.

As for this upcoming draft, it is pretty weak at the positions we need the most help at. 2 good OT's, no real great LB's, most of the RB's are small, hurt (Bush) or a FB. This is a year when trading down makes the most sense. The difference in talent from 20 to 60 is very small. There are very few "great propects" out there. There are very few guys that can come in and start, at the positions we are weakest at.

I'm a huge fan of the trade down. There's nothing better than when a team trades out of the 1st and gets either a 2nd or a 3rd AND a first rounder in the next draft. Love that move. I love both, trading up to get the ideal player, giving up what it takes, or trading down to get extra picks. It's tough to say we should definitely do that now. But by the time our season ends, juniors declare, and free agency happens, I'd love to throw around the idea.

And I disagree with anyone that thinks we need a ton of work. The main difference between this year and last has been turnovers. If the balls bounces the other way, last year we have 1 or 2 more losses, this year we have 1 or 2 more wins. We certainly do need help, but we have a talented team.

EdReedUnstoppable
12-18-2006, 05:49 PM
ERU, you had better be hoping, praying begging that McNair is not hurt to long. If he is, Boller will lead you to.......... Well, you now where.

Im hoping McNair misses the rest of the season, I <3 Kyle Boller, and he is an upgrade over ol no arm McNair.

mikehop05
12-18-2006, 06:57 PM
i actually think kyle will be the long term quarterback for you guys, i think he has all the talent in the world, he just needs confidence

mcnair is your ticket to the Super Bowl this year tho

EdReedUnstoppable
12-18-2006, 07:13 PM
i actually think kyle will be the long term quarterback for you guys, i think he has all the talent in the world, he just needs confidence

mcnair is your ticket to the Super Bowl this year tho

I dont think we'll win a superbowl with McNair, I just dont see how you can win with a QB that has a terrible arm.

steelcrew43
12-18-2006, 09:13 PM
what are the mathemactical chances we make the playoffs

12-18-2006, 09:14 PM
what are the mathemactical chances we make the playoffs

0%

RCAChainGang
12-18-2006, 09:15 PM
what are the mathemactical chances we make the playoffs

20% :/

skarocksoi
12-18-2006, 09:18 PM
I think we have a decent chance of winning our last two games. Sure, we beat up on the Browns, but we have been playing some pretty good football these past few weeks. Next weeks game is gonna be pretty interesting. I think if we get behind early and start to get pushed around, our guys might give up again, but if we keep it close they will put up a hell of a fight. Plus its at home so we will have the crowd with us. The Cincy game is even more interesting, cause if they lose tonight and we win next week, it could determine who gets the wildcard spot, and I would love to take the Bengals out of the playoffs.

I agree with THav that our big problem this year is the lack of turnovers forced on defense and multitude of turnovers given away on offense. I think we need to get a linebacker on defense who has a knack for getting the ball and who can rush the passer and force him to make bad decisions. On offense we need to shore up the line to make sure Ben isnt rushed and gives the ball away. Trading down is a good idea to pick up some more picks later in the draft and get some good developmental guys.

mikehop05
12-18-2006, 10:53 PM
i actually think kyle will be the long term quarterback for you guys, i think he has all the talent in the world, he just needs confidence

mcnair is your ticket to the Super Bowl this year tho

I dont think we'll win a superbowl with McNair, I just dont see how you can win with a QB that has a terrible arm.

he gets it done and just doesnt know how to lose it seems

Smooth Criminal
12-19-2006, 01:24 PM
what are the mathemactical chances we make the playoffs

Not much at all.

We need

Jacksonville losses vs. NE and @ KC
Cincy or Denver lose out.
NYJ lose @ Miami or vs. Oakland
Buffalo and Tennesse losing agian isn't neccessary but is will make the tiebreakers alot less complicated and easier for us to win.

But on top of all that we need to beat Baltimore and Cincy which is a hard task as it is.

Smooth Criminal
12-19-2006, 01:24 PM
Steelers lose three players to injuries

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette




The Steelers lost three players to injuries in their 37-3 victory against Carolina Sunday, two of them who are finished for the season.
Veteran linebacker Chad Brown's career probably is over at age 36 after the MCL in his left knee was torn. He will go on injured reserve. Special teams player Chidi Iwuoma also is likely to join him on injured reserve after surgery to repair a dislocated wrist. Starting right tackle Max Starks had surgery on his right knee to repair a meniscus, and that will prevent him from playing at least in the next game on Sunday against Baltimore.

Sgt Pepper
12-19-2006, 04:39 PM
According to Las Vegas, the mathmatical odds for the Steelers to stay alive are as follows:

Steelers Def Ravens 20/37

Patriots Def Jaguars 1/3

Broncos Def Bengals 20/33

Dolphins Def Jets 5/7
*Not necessary but would help a lot as the Jets play Oakland at home in week 17

The combined odds for the Steelers in week 16 are:

2000/25641

and for you non-math types that is equivalent to 7.8%.

Remember these are just Vegas odds and nothing else. 7.8% is enough to keep me excited.

EdReedUnstoppable
12-19-2006, 04:43 PM
i actually think kyle will be the long term quarterback for you guys, i think he has all the talent in the world, he just needs confidence

mcnair is your ticket to the Super Bowl this year tho

I dont think we'll win a superbowl with McNair, I just dont see how you can win with a QB that has a terrible arm.

he gets it done and just doesnt know how to lose it seems

He knows how to lose, our D has just bailed us out this year as usual.

Ravens1991
12-19-2006, 04:49 PM
I have to admit I think you guys win this game.

skarocksoi
12-19-2006, 06:30 PM
Steelers lose three players to injuries

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette




The Steelers lost three players to injuries in their 37-3 victory against Carolina Sunday, two of them who are finished for the season.
Veteran linebacker Chad Brown's career probably is over at age 36 after the MCL in his left knee was torn. He will go on injured reserve. Special teams player Chidi Iwuoma also is likely to join him on injured reserve after surgery to repair a dislocated wrist. Starting right tackle Max Starks had surgery on his right knee to repair a meniscus, and that will prevent him from playing at least in the next game on Sunday against Baltimore.

I was happy to see Chidi back too. There has been a noticeable difference in our special teams play without him and Harrison playing. I guess we will all see what life is like without Starks playing, although the timing isn't very good. Who will be replacing him? Essex?

richdg
12-20-2006, 05:08 PM
Hey it is bowl season. the best part is, we all get to see players that normally we do not. Last night I watched the NIU vs TCU game. As I previously thought Free T, is not a good option. To slow to play T in the NFL, at least on the left side. As for others that stood out, the DE for TCU, Wyatt I believe his name was, is a great option for next year. Prototype size, 6-3/250 and great speed. I thought Ballard, TCU's QB looked very good. Good size and very mobile, with a good arm.
I am looking forard to watching BYU tom. Beck is a great QB, Harline is a very good TE. BYU has several very good OLmen as well. I am not real familier with oregon. If anyone else is, and has a few player to keep an eye on, let us know.

Jughead10
12-21-2006, 08:38 AM
What was the deal with Cedric Humes? I remember a lot of Steelers fans were glad they drafted him. Just wondering because the Giants picked him up on the practice squad. Wondering if he should be considered as an actual roster player next year when Tiki retires.

Mr. Stiller
12-21-2006, 04:41 PM
Hey it is bowl season. the best part is, we all get to see players that normally we do not. Last night I watched the NIU vs TCU game. As I previously thought Free T, is not a good option. To slow to play T in the NFL, at least on the left side. As for others that stood out, the DE for TCU, Wyatt I believe his name was, is a great option for next year. Prototype size, 6-3/250 and great speed. I thought Ballard, TCU's QB looked very good. Good size and very mobile, with a good arm.
I am looking forard to watching BYU tom. Beck is a great QB, Harline is a very good TE. BYU has several very good OLmen as well. I am not real familier with oregon. If anyone else is, and has a few player to keep an eye on, let us know.

The DE from TCU is Tommy Blake.

I'll be doing a mock soon now that i'm home.. watch for it after the baltimore game.

Mr. Stiller
12-21-2006, 04:41 PM
Steelers lose three players to injuries

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette




The Steelers lost three players to injuries in their 37-3 victory against Carolina Sunday, two of them who are finished for the season.
Veteran linebacker Chad Brown's career probably is over at age 36 after the MCL in his left knee was torn. He will go on injured reserve. Special teams player Chidi Iwuoma also is likely to join him on injured reserve after surgery to repair a dislocated wrist. Starting right tackle Max Starks had surgery on his right knee to repair a meniscus, and that will prevent him from playing at least in the next game on Sunday against Baltimore.

I was happy to see Chidi back too. There has been a noticeable difference in our special teams play without him and Harrison playing. I guess we will all see what life is like without Starks playing, although the timing isn't very good. Who will be replacing him? Essex?

Willie Colon is Slated to start at RT.

Mr. Stiller
12-21-2006, 04:43 PM
Grimm is one of the best OL coaches out there. In fact he might be our next head coach. On that note, If Cowher wants to retire after next season, don't bring him back. it will be just another lost year. Great coach, but time to move on. Both for him and some of the players. before everyone gets to excited about being 7-7, please keep in mind we beat the Browns and a beat up (when are they ever healthy) Panthers team. Yes Smith and starks have struggled this year. But neither have played as bad as Simmons. Why he is still starting is reason enough to fire someone.

As for this upcoming draft, it is pretty weak at the positions we need the most help at. 2 good OT's, no real great LB's, most of the RB's are small, hurt (Bush) or a FB. This is a year when trading down makes the most sense. The difference in talent from 20 to 60 is very small. There are very few "great propects" out there. There are very few guys that can come in and start, at the positions we are weakest at.

I'm a huge fan of the trade down. There's nothing better than when a team trades out of the 1st and gets either a 2nd or a 3rd AND a first rounder in the next draft. Love that move. I love both, trading up to get the ideal player, giving up what it takes, or trading down to get extra picks. It's tough to say we should definitely do that now. But by the time our season ends, juniors declare, and free agency happens, I'd love to throw around the idea.

And I disagree with anyone that thinks we need a ton of work. The main difference between this year and last has been turnovers. If the balls bounces the other way, last year we have 1 or 2 more losses, this year we have 1 or 2 more wins. We certainly do need help, but we have a talented team.


I think the DE to OLB converts are looking alot better for next year than this year.

I'm all for a 1st for next years 1st and an additional 2nd/3rd.

In fact after this weekend thats probably what I'll add to my mock.

Smooth Criminal
12-21-2006, 04:46 PM
Steelers lose three players to injuries

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette




The Steelers lost three players to injuries in their 37-3 victory against Carolina Sunday, two of them who are finished for the season.
Veteran linebacker Chad Brown's career probably is over at age 36 after the MCL in his left knee was torn. He will go on injured reserve. Special teams player Chidi Iwuoma also is likely to join him on injured reserve after surgery to repair a dislocated wrist. Starting right tackle Max Starks had surgery on his right knee to repair a meniscus, and that will prevent him from playing at least in the next game on Sunday against Baltimore.

I was happy to see Chidi back too. There has been a noticeable difference in our special teams play without him and Harrison playing. I guess we will all see what life is like without Starks playing, although the timing isn't very good. Who will be replacing him? Essex?

Willie Colon is Slated to start at RT.

So they either have alot of faith in him or none in Essex.

Mr. Stiller
12-21-2006, 10:14 PM
Steelers lose three players to injuries

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette




The Steelers lost three players to injuries in their 37-3 victory against Carolina Sunday, two of them who are finished for the season.
Veteran linebacker Chad Brown's career probably is over at age 36 after the MCL in his left knee was torn. He will go on injured reserve. Special teams player Chidi Iwuoma also is likely to join him on injured reserve after surgery to repair a dislocated wrist. Starting right tackle Max Starks had surgery on his right knee to repair a meniscus, and that will prevent him from playing at least in the next game on Sunday against Baltimore.

I was happy to see Chidi back too. There has been a noticeable difference in our special teams play without him and Harrison playing. I guess we will all see what life is like without Starks playing, although the timing isn't very good. Who will be replacing him? Essex?

Willie Colon is Slated to start at RT.

So they either have alot of faith in him or none in Essex.

Essex is the backup LT. Colon is the backup RT. I think they have alot of faith in him.. Hell he learned RG/RT and LG in training camp... most guys don't learn 2 positions in 3 years.. let alone 3 in rookie campaign

Mr. Stiller
12-21-2006, 10:47 PM
I have bad news..

Here's a view on the Salary Caps:


1/San Francisco/$42.1M

2/Buffalo/$39.7M

3/Arizona/$36.7M

4/Tennessee/$36M

5/Cleveland/$33.3M

6/Minnesota/$32.4M

7 (tie)/Jacksonville/$32M

7/St. Louis/$32M

9/New England/$30.4M

10/Cincinnati/$30.2M

11/New Orleans/$29.9M

12/Green Bay/$29.5M

13/New York Jets/$26.1M

14/San Diego/$24.6M

15/Tampa Bay/$24.2

16/Detroit/$23.8M

17/Chicago/$23.4M

18/Seattle/$22.5M

19/Dallas/$21.5M

20/Miami/$17.8M

21/New York Giants/$15.7M

22/Oakland/$14.1M

23/Houston/$13.3

24/Atlanta/$10M

25/Philadelphia/$12.4M

26/Denver/$7.6M

27/Kansas City/$7M

28/Baltimore/$5.7M

29/Indianapolis/$4.9M

30/Carolina/$3.4M

31/Washington/$951,000

32/Pittsburgh/$150,000

skarocksoi
12-21-2006, 11:03 PM
Hopefully he's got the skill to go along with that faith. We're gonna need it against the Ravens.

I just saw those cap numbers too. Who can we get rid of to free up that room?

skarocksoi
12-21-2006, 11:13 PM
Here's salary numbers I found on fox sports. It says 2006, but I see Bettis on the list, so I'm not sure if these are correct or not. If anyone has a definite list that would be great.

2006 Salaries
Rk Player Salary (US$)
1 Ben Roethlisberger $9,498,840
2 Hines Ward $5,668,960
3 Casey Hampton $4,617,640
4 Jeff Hartings $4,250,000
5 Marvel Smith $3,953,080
6 Alan Faneca $3,900,000
7 Aaron Smith $3,754,400
8 Larry Foote $3,708,960
9 Joey Porter $3,501,320
10 Heath Miller $3,092,000
11 Cedrick Wilson $2,543,520
12 Duce Staley $2,150,880
13 James Farrior $2,103,080
14 Jeff Reed $2,053,080
15 Clark Haggans $2,002,640
16 Jerame Tuman $1,754,400
17 Travis Kirschke $1,503,080
18 Jerome Bettis $1,500,000
19 Chad Brown $1,375,660
20 Bryant McFadden $1,309,000
21 Willie Williams $1,222,640
22 Chris Hoke $1,045,280
23 Deshea Townsend $1,003,960
24 Chris Gardocki $1,002,200
25 Chukky Okobi $856,520
26 Clint Kriewaldt $803,960
27 Dan Kreider $777,640
28 Tommy Maddox $751,760
29 Troy Polamalu $718,200
30 Mike Logan $717,640
31 Kendall Simmons $703,960
32 Barrett Brooks $693,520
33 Trai Essex $690,000
34 Brett Keisel $660,840
35 Verron Haynes $659,520
36 Najeh Davenport $644,520
37 Tyrone Carter $635,000
38 Ricardo Colclough $595,280
39 Charlie Batch $569,400
40 Chidi Iwuoma $543,960
41 Ryan Clark $460,390
42 Sean Morey $458,960
43 Rodney Bailey $428,235
44 Ike Taylor $384,400
45 Rian Wallace $341,500
46 Tim Euhus $311,160
47 James Harrison $310,280
48 Willie Parker $309,840
49 Max Starks $309,840
50 Chris Kemoeatu $291,750
51 Greg Warren $233,500
52 Russell Stuvaints $223,529
53 Nate Washington $205,441

richdg
12-22-2006, 08:01 AM
Even though Bettis is retired, we are still paying him some bonus money. 4,11,12 are all gone/going. Ben's salary is high this year, because of his bonus money. His cap number is much lower next year.
This is the point that I have been making for a while. Everyoen runs around talking trade this guy for this player or sign this FA. The NFL don't work like that. Everything is done in relationship to the cap. Even cutting players has a cap impact.

Last night watched BYU vs. Oregon. Beck, Brown, and Harline all looked great for BYU. That Stewart kid for Oregon is going to be great.

skarocksoi
12-22-2006, 09:30 AM
Do we have to pay the bonus money on the remainder of every contract cut for the remainder of the contract, or is it all taken care of this year? I.E. are we going to be paying Bettis next year too, or was that taken care of this year? I agree with you to an extent about trading guys, but sometimes the cap hit is worth cutting some dead weight and you can free up some cap room by making the cut or trade.

Sgt Pepper
12-22-2006, 09:53 AM
Your salary cap figures are inaccurate as to what the steelers will be able to spend this offseason.

Once the offseason starts the players in their last year of their contract will no longer be counting against the cap. I'm not sure how many people are on the last year of their contract but the last year is the largest portion of the contract.

Regardless of the room they will have when they're not paying those contracts, it could still lead to little spending money if they resign those players on their last year.

Mr. Stiller
12-22-2006, 09:55 AM
Your salary cap figures are inaccurate as to what the steelers will be able to spend this offseason.

Once the offseason starts the players in their last year of their contract will no longer be counting against the cap. I'm not sure how many people are on the last year of their contract but the last year is the largest portion of the contract.

Regardless of the room they will have when they're not paying those contracts, it could still lead to little spending money if they resign those players on their last year.

max starks and tyrone carter...

Mr. Stiller
12-22-2006, 09:58 AM
Even though Bettis is retired, we are still paying him some bonus money. 4,11,12 are all gone/going. Ben's salary is high this year, because of his bonus money. His cap number is much lower next year.
This is the point that I have been making for a while. Everyoen runs around talking trade this guy for this player or sign this FA. The NFL don't work like that. Everything is done in relationship to the cap. Even cutting players has a cap impact.

Last night watched BYU vs. Oregon. Beck, Brown, and Harline all looked great for BYU. That Stewart kid for Oregon is going to be great.

I'm still saying we Trade our 1st for a 2nd and a future first.

draft Tommy Blake this year (2nd/3rd Round), Chris Long and Jonathan Stewart in the 08 Draft..

How sick would the duo of Stewart/Parker Be... Chris Long could take over for Aaron Smith (and probably be the top 3-4 DE in a few years... Yea he's Howies Boy)... and Blake taking over for Porter.

mikehop05
12-22-2006, 01:09 PM
In the recent edition of SI they have a section where they make predictions for '07.

They have Bill Cowher retiering and being replaced by Russ Grimm, and Ken Wisenhunt going to another team after being passed up.

Take it for what its worth, but it is a real possibility.

richdg
12-22-2006, 06:26 PM
I said that earlier. Cowher has 1 year left. If he is planning on leaving after that year, don't bring him back. We are more than 1 or 2 players from being where we need to be. Let the new coach bring in those players to fit what he wants to do.

Rice vs. Troy, anyone worth watching?

skarocksoi
12-22-2006, 07:25 PM
Jarrett Dillard, a WR from Rice. I don't know a whole lot about him, but I've heard he's pretty good. I think I heard something earlier this season about him setting some sort of consecutive TD record or something of the sort. I just looked on fox sports and he has a ton of receptions and like 20 TD's, but I think he's just a soph.

mikehop05
12-22-2006, 08:11 PM
What do you guys think of the TE/WR Johnny Harline from BYU? He made some pretty impressive catches, and though he is listed asa TE he usually splits outs. He is a big guy with good hands and decent speed. I like him in the second day...