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richdg
12-22-2006, 10:12 PM
Harkine is a great pass catching TE. Not much of a blocker, and not enough speed 4.8 range to play WR. Not very big either. 6-4/230.

Mr. Stiller
12-22-2006, 10:43 PM
What do you guys think of the TE/WR Johnny Harline from BYU? He made some pretty impressive catches, and though he is listed asa TE he usually splits outs. He is a big guy with good hands and decent speed. I like him in the second day...


We already have Heath Miller, I think a guy like Ben Patrick is what we need to upgrade an aging Jerame Tuman.


Joe Staley still wants to come to Pittsburgh

richdg
12-22-2006, 10:48 PM
How well do you know Staley? Ask him about some of his teammates: Snead, Lafavor, Hartline, Anderson, Linson, Friend, and Bazuin. All of which should make it to Sunday's IMO.

Mr. Stiller
12-22-2006, 11:04 PM
How well do you know Staley? Ask him about some of his teammates: Snead, Lafavor, Hartline, Anderson, Linson, Friend, and Bazuin. All of which should make it to Sunday's IMO.

I talk to him online a bit. He said Bazuin is the Best DE he's ever played.. He's seen Woodley as well.. so... take that for example.. If I get a chance i'll ask him about them.

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2006, 09:12 PM
I want Dwight Lowery.

mikehop05
12-23-2006, 10:00 PM
i didnt see the game... howd he play?

im feeling johnny harline, honestly... the cat can ball, make him an H back or something instead of a true tight end

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2006, 10:13 PM
i didnt see the game... howd he play?

im feeling johnny harline, honestly... the cat can ball, make him an H back or something instead of a true tight end


Do we need an H-back... I've been getting rave reviews from a buddy thats San Jose resident was raving about him... he takes half the field away. He's my top ranked Jr. CB... even over Revis.. Revis is a great CB... but this kid is shut down.

mikehop05
12-23-2006, 10:53 PM
nice but yeah i mean if we can grab him in the 2nd day he could definetly be a solid player and a nice tool for wisenhunt to craft some stuff up for..

he can play TE, WR, HBack, if he adds some more weight he'd be a better blocking TE most likely, but hes just solid

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2006, 11:11 PM
nice but yeah i mean if we can grab him in the 2nd day he could definetly be a solid player and a nice tool for wisenhunt to craft some stuff up for..

he can play TE, WR, HBack, if he adds some more weight he'd be a better blocking TE most likely, but hes just solid

True, but we don't need another weapon, we have 5+ WR's showing up, 2 RB's, 2 TE's..

Ben needs Protection.


Ben Patrick is a guy i have eyes on.

Jake Kuresa, Nathan Bennett Joe Staley on the Oline

I wouldn't mind James Johnson/Dwight Lowery next year

CDub
12-24-2006, 03:12 AM
i didnt see the game... howd he play?

im feeling johnny harline, honestly... the cat can ball, make him an H back or something instead of a true tight end


Do we need an H-back... I've been getting rave reviews from a buddy thats San Jose resident was raving about him... he takes half the field away. He's my top ranked Jr. CB... even over Revis.. Revis is a great CB... but this kid is shut down.

I'm sorry if I missed something or misread something stiller, but if Harline is a TE, is that who you are you talking about being a shutdown CB? I've been away from the site for a while so I may have missed something but these two statements didn't seem to colaborate. Please expand for me, thanks.

CDub
12-24-2006, 03:38 AM
What was the deal with Cedric Humes? I remember a lot of Steelers fans were glad they drafted him. Just wondering because the Giants picked him up on the practice squad. Wondering if he should be considered as an actual roster player next year when Tiki retires.

Has anyone else heard anything about this, I haven't been able to find anything. Obviously, given his immense playing time this season, this isn't that big of a deal, but I was one of those steeler fans who had high hopes for Humes.

Ravens1991
12-24-2006, 09:02 AM
the big day is here, good luck all.

skarocksoi
12-24-2006, 10:47 AM
i didnt see the game... howd he play?

im feeling johnny harline, honestly... the cat can ball, make him an H back or something instead of a true tight end


Do we need an H-back... I've been getting rave reviews from a buddy thats San Jose resident was raving about him... he takes half the field away. He's my top ranked Jr. CB... even over Revis.. Revis is a great CB... but this kid is shut down.

I'm sorry if I missed something or misread something stiller, but if Harline is a TE, is that who you are you talking about being a shutdown CB? I've been away from the site for a while so I may have missed something but these two statements didn't seem to colaborate. Please expand for me, thanks.

I believe he was talking about Dwight Lowery, a CB from San Jose State. The previous post just made it look like it was Harline. As for taking Harline, I dont see the point, because we dont use Miller as well as we should, so I doubt we're going to pick up a guy in a late round and develop a whole scheme for him. We have our feature TE, so all we need is a blocking TE to eventually replace Tuman. So we should be looking at a guy who is basically built like an extra tackle.

Mr. Stiller
12-24-2006, 11:16 AM
i didnt see the game... howd he play?

im feeling johnny harline, honestly... the cat can ball, make him an H back or something instead of a true tight end


Do we need an H-back... I've been getting rave reviews from a buddy thats San Jose resident was raving about him... he takes half the field away. He's my top ranked Jr. CB... even over Revis.. Revis is a great CB... but this kid is shut down.

I'm sorry if I missed something or misread something stiller, but if Harline is a TE, is that who you are you talking about being a shutdown CB? I've been away from the site for a while so I may have missed something but these two statements didn't seem to colaborate. Please expand for me, thanks.

I believe he was talking about Dwight Lowery, a CB from San Jose State. The previous post just made it look like it was Harline. As for taking Harline, I dont see the point, because we dont use Miller as well as we should, so I doubt we're going to pick up a guy in a late round and develop a whole scheme for him. We have our feature TE, so all we need is a blocking TE to eventually replace Tuman. So we should be looking at a guy who is basically built like an extra tackle.

My bad, yes I meant Lowery.

Harline isn't fast enough to be at WR and we already have a top tier Reciever at TE...


Skarocksoi,

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg

big enough? 6'4 275lbs? Former duke transfer to Delaware. He's a tank at TE.. I think he will be the next Daniel Graham. If not better.



Quick Mock:

1) Joe Staley/Tony Ugoh
2) Brian Leonard
3) Brian Smith
4A) Justin Warren
4b) Nathan Bennett
5a) Jarrett Hicks
5b) Isaiah Stanback
6) Ben Patrick
7) Abraham Wright

mikehop05
12-24-2006, 03:00 PM
man we are terrible

wisenhunt is over rated as a play caller

grimm cant coach an offensive line

lebeau is past his prime and is predictable

keep cowher and gut the rest of the staff, bring back mike malarkey

12-24-2006, 03:14 PM
gg yall
feel bad for bill cowher :oops:

Ravens1991
12-24-2006, 03:15 PM
good game everyone have a happy holiday.

skarocksoi
12-24-2006, 03:35 PM
We are playing like the second best team in the AFC and possibly the NFL so I think we shoudn't overreact to this. The Ravens defense is the best in the NFL and is just plain scary. I've never liked Wisenhunt being called an offensive "genius" and I've kind of questioned Grimms coaching this year although I think he deserves another chance, and I think our Defense has been the only thing you could consider good this year and LeBeau's playcalling has been on par with what he's always done.

I think we just need some youth on the team to envigorate some of the older guys who have kind of grown complacent after last years Soperbowl win. Holmes has done alright late this year to try and spark something, but to no avail. I'd like to see us pick up a Linebacker with a nasty demeanor who can really lay the wood to get the defense going, and a lineman with the same personality. Simmons didn't look good from some of what I saw today, and I think we need to pick up a gaurd to challenge him for a spot.

We just seem to lack that killer instinct that drove us into and through the playoffs last year, and we need to do something to get it back. We've always been a team thats come close but never won the Superbowl, and I dont think we know how to handle it now that we have won. We used to play with an urgency like our window to win it all was closing. Now we just hang around and if we're up we play well and if we're down we give up. Normally Cowher would be the guy to light a fire in the team, but even he seems emotionally drained this year.

At least thats my opinion on this whole year. Well one more game and then its the offseason for us. I'd like to see us play hard next week and take the Bengals out of the playoffs too. Thats my superbowl this year. Then its the offseason.

Stiller, I'm guessing thats Ben Patrick, and thats exactly what I'm talking about. I really think picking up Leonard would end up being a waste, because we cant even utilize some of the guys we have now, like Miller. We dont nearly throw to him as much as we should. I'd like to see Tony Hunt or David Harris there. Tony Hunt would give us a good power runner and Harris might be able to give us that physical presence on D we need.

skarocksoi
12-25-2006, 11:22 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

mikehop05
12-25-2006, 11:39 PM
you too,

also, if anyone has a chance to read any interviews by Ben Roe on either espn or post gazette, try to... I love the way he accepts blame, and in general the way he can talk to media. Not too many young guys or even veterans have the poise he does off the field.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 12:58 AM
I have a mock coming soon, but just to answer some things.

I wouldn't say Whiz was an offensive Genius, but he did exactly what we needed.... Rumor has it, he's sought after for Hotlanta.

Grimm is likely heading to HC.. A buddy of mine's Dad played with him. He's likely to be their new Oline coach. If that Happens I could possibly get the inside scoop earlier.. i knew we were taking Willie Colon during the 2nd round last year.

Here's my observations:

The Oline is weak from Center to RT.. Willie Colon, a rookie, shuts down 3 of the premier Pass rushers of the NFL... Suggs, Pryce, Thomas. His first game.. Max Starks gave up how many sacks to those guys... But here is my recipe for success.

Draft a true LT. Tony Ugoh/Joe Staley are the only guys we have chances at unless Joe Thomas literally breaks a leg... Trade Simmons (2nd/3rd? to Zona possibly)... Play Colon at RG, Phillip/Okobi at Center, move marvel back to RT and we have a monster Oline to Rival the Cheifs of past.

LT: Marvel then Rookie (Ugoh/Staley)
LG: Faneca then Rookie (Bennett)
C: Okobi or Phillip
RG: Colon -> Keomeatu
RT: Ugoh/Staley then Marvel.

That would set us up good.. because Faneca is the only one looking to retire in the next 5 or so years (possibly)..

Also, Youth on defense. Everyone is blaming LeBeau... I don't, he's still a master Schemer, but what good are schemes when your defense is so old they can't seem to make any of them work. Hell the Ravens backup Oline held off Porter/Haggans... That isn't LeBeau's Fault that guy is a defensive mastermind, but his players just arent' at the same level.

I think we're pretty set in the secondary, but I really like a guy like Dwight Lowery rd 3 this year.. I could only wish that he or Tommy Blake (Or both) jump out.

Lowery plays specifically like a Pittsburgh Corner... 5-10 yards off every play, he knows when he can jump a route, or just to make the tackle. He is also capable of taking the #1 WR out of the game, but he's only seen mediocre competition, which is why I hope he comes out this year.

Also Blake Would do great in speed/agility tests but needs another year for Strength to catch up.

I think Chris Long, Tommy Blake, John Cushing, Dwight Lowery, Sidney Rice are my top 5 for next year.

Mock is up next post :)

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 01:35 AM
Trade our 1st for a 2nd and 2008 First

2a) Tony Ugoh/ Joe Staley (Arkansas / Central Michigan)
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We have No Shot at Joe Thomas, who is the Premier LT in this draft. However, Tony Ugoh and Joe Staley are quiet guys that like Marcus McNeil this year and Khalif Barnes the year before. I'm liking Ugoh more and more because we need a mauler. Marvel was a great RT, but he can't handle the premier Pass rushers on the left side. Joe Staley is an athletic guy and I think that will get him brownie points. I trust Grimm. With this we get a premier LT, move Marvel back to RT. Willie Colon shut down Adalius Thomas, Trevor Pryce, Terrell Suggs..... I think with Marvel at RT we could move Willie Colon to battle Kendall Simmons.

2b) Brian Leonard, RB/FB, Rutgers
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We've been using our FB the last couple games a lot. I see him giving us a very versatile player that can line up anywhere... wait till you see his #'s. He's a blue collar team player, and he's next to impossible to catch/tackle.. he can outrun you, he can jump over you, he can bowl you over, he can hurt you many many ways. With This said I see us grabbing a guy like Nate Ilaoa in UDFA for short yardage.. I don't see us resigning Najeh, but more like a guy like Duckett/A-Train.

3) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
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Great player, probably a first rounder if only he didn't have a hip injury. Sack Artist.

4a) Justin Warren, MLB, Texas A&M
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A sizeable MLB. 6'3 242lbs. He's a thumper but is by no means a 2 down MLB. He's the complete package and he's smart too. In my eyes I see James Farriors Smarts/Play style/Strengths and Joey Porters Fire/Intensity.

4b) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
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Paving way for a ACC thunder and lightning attack of James Davis and CJ Spillar. Good Size and gives us valuable depth.

5a) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
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Solid DE that just cracked Kipers top 25 SR. list. I know that doesn't mean Jack because... frankly... Kiper is a joke... But Alama-Francis will provide Young sizeable depth that we were lacking.

5b) Isaiah Stanback, QB/WR, Washington
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NCAA Division 1 track star in the 4x100m.. Had a serious injury. They took a flyer on Omar Jacobs and it didn't pan out so well. However, I won't use the term "Bust-Proof", but for a late 5th rounder, and the fact that He's a QB that has the ability to convert to WR... He gets time to try QB, he has a cannon, can work around the pocket, can run, but is a little erratic. If he doesn't do so well at QB, keep him around for WR. Being a QB he should know the routes and what a QB wants/Expects a WR to do. That will give him the edge and help him. He brings solid size.. listed at 6'3 215 lbs. But this guy also posted a 10.48s 100m.... so don't disrespect his deep threat ability.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
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I see Patrick as the Next Daniel Graham. At 6'4 270lbs He's a tough Blocker. He's also a solid receiver and I think he could definitely take over for Tuman. For those of you looking at Graham...I think this kid could be better... And Cheaper.

7) Abraham Wright, OLB, Colorado
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A pass rush specialist from a Pittsburgh Steeler school. They love them some Colorado boys and Abraham Wright had 5 sacks as a Junior and managed 12 this season. I'm not sold on his speed, I haven't see him in coverage. My dissappointment and reason why he'll likely drop... he hasn't produced in big games..
Georgia he mustered 3 tackles, 1 pass defended.
Oklahoma he managed 2 tackles.
Iowa State he got 2 tackles.
Nebraska he had 1 tackle... thats 8 of his 26 tackles.
He managed double sack games at Kansas and Baylor and 3 sacks against Colorado State.

Then again Joey Porter was a 22 Career sack guy, 2 years of defense experience and a 4.64 40 coming out... I can see Wright putting up those type of #'s.

richdg
12-26-2006, 09:03 AM
Now that our season is over, not that anyone is surprised, we can look to next year. Looking at our 2 deep roster, there are 12 players that will be 31 years old or older. They are:
1. Hartings C 35-going to retire
2. Batch QB 33-has a few good years left as a number 2.
3. Kirschke DE 33-should be replaced on day 2.
4. Townsend CB 32-should be replaced on day 2.
5. Farrior ILB 32-need to find a replacement on day 1.
6. Tuman TE 31-need to find a replacement on day 2.
7. Ward WR 31-need to find a repalcement, maybe next year.
8. Faneca G 31-need to find a replacement, next year.
9. Kriewaldt ILB 31-need to find a replacement, maybe next year.
10. Carter S 31-need to find a replacement on day 2.
11. Hoke NT 31-need to find a replacement, day 2, next year.
12. A. Smith DE 31-need to find a replacement on day 1, next year.

Not all of these guys are going to be replaced this year. Some positions, DE need a new starter and a new backup. So take 1 guy this year to groom. Also, we have needs at OLB, both starters are FA's after this coming season, and we need a power RB to split carries with Parker.
More to come........

richdg
12-26-2006, 09:20 AM
Now looking at next years 53 man roster, it looks like this:
WR 6: Ward, Holmes, Reid, Washington, Wilson, and Morey
TE 3: Miller, Tuman, +1
T 4: M. Smith, Starks, Essex, +1
G 4: Simmons, Colon, Kemo, +1
C 2: Faneca, Phillip
QB 3: Ben, Batch, +1
RB 3: Parker, Davenport, +1
FB 2: Krieder, Kuhn
This means we need 5 playwers to fill out our O. 1 each at T, G, TE, QB, and RB.

DE 4: A. Smith, Keisel, Kirschke, Bailey
NT 2: Hampton, Hoke
OLB 4: Porter, Haggans, J. Harrison, +1
ILB 4: Farrior, Foote, Wallace, and Kreiwaldt
SS 2: Troy, Carter
FS 2: Smith, Clark
CB 5: Taylor, McFadden, Colgoulgh, Townsend, +1
K 1: Reed
P 1: Gardocki
LS 1: Warren
This means we need to add 2 D players to fill out the roster. 1 each at OLB and CB.

Between the 2 squads we need 7 players to fill out the roster. We have 9 picks. Meaning we can add players to try and improve 2 positions. Plus we can add 1 or 2 FA's to provide some addditional depth. The 3 positions that need the most help are : DE, ILB, and CB. Draft for 2 and add a FA for the other.
Possible picks by round, coming up.

richdg
12-26-2006, 10:20 AM
Here are some of the players by round, that I like:
1st: Leonard RB/FB 6-2/235, Staley T 6-5/300, Adams OLB 6-5/260, Moses OLB 6-5/260, Willis ILB 6-2/240.

2nd: Carriker DE 6-6/295, Woodley OLB 6-2/260, Bazuin OLB 6-3/265, Hunt RB 6-2/230, Okaye NT 6-1/315, Everett OLB 6-3/235.

3rd: Harrell DE 6-4/300, Spencer OLB 6-3/260, Harris ILB 6-2/250, Datish G/C 6-5/300

4th: Beck QB 6-2/215, Kuresa T 6-4/330, Satale G/C 6-3/315, Burgess OLB 6-3/245, Smith OLB 6-4/230, Rameriez G 6-4/335.

5th: Young G/C 6-5/330, Palko QB 6-2/220, Smith RB 5-11/215, Palmer QB 6-5/235, Francios DE 6-6/290, Jackson CB 6-1/195

6th: Waters ILB 6-3/235, Peters S 6-2/215, Ballard QB 6-2/215, Brown CB 6-0/200, Patrick TE 6-4/270

7th: Brown RB 6-0/205, Wade CB 6-0/195, Finnerty QB 6-2/215, Fowler WR 6-3/200, Bihl C 6-3/300

richdg
12-26-2006, 10:28 AM
Now, looking at our needs vs. what is available, and which of the needs is closest to starting, we can divide the draft into 2. T, OLB, ILB, and G are the 4 positions closest to starting. Int. OL men drop, so on day 1, I would focus on T, OLB, and ILB. Leaving open the need for a power RB. Good ILB's can be found on day 2 as well. So, maybe a better day 1 strat. would be: T, OLB, and RB. Leaving ILB, G/C, S, CB, QB, and TE for day 2. With ILB and G/C being our 4th and 5th round targets.

THav916
12-26-2006, 10:34 AM
Richdg, nice breakdowns. It is interesting that it seems within one year, we have gotten so old. I think numerous cuts must happen this offseason to make sure we don't keep certain players too long.

Mr Stiller. I agree with several of your thoughts on o-line. I would like to see Colon moved to Guard. I still don't understand why Kemoeatu didnt continue to play at guard and I think he and Colon would give us two nice young guards. I also think there's no chance we get a 1st day pick for Kendall Simmons, but hey, if we do, that's amazing. I'd take anything for him and in fact cut him. The one thing I don't agree with is moving Marvel back to RT and letting go Starks. I think the age difference and salary difference make Starks more appealing there. Marvel will be 29 at the start of the season and seems like a great candidate to play one more year while we groom a LT, and then cut him saving cap space.

Justin Warren looks like a nice player. Since he looks like the total package, any reason you dont think he'd go first day? And while Kiper might not be accurate, I'm not surprised to see Ilama-Francis move up his list. A guy with his size, potential and motor, it always shocked me that he'd be availabe on the 2nd day let alone 7th round. I guess as the weeks go on, we'll have a better feel for where players will go.

I really want a stud in the front 7 with our pick, but until one materializes it just doesn't look like this is the draft for that (with where we are picking). If we can't, a trade down for a LT, and grabbing some LB's shortly after (like Smith and Warren) look to be one of the best plans out there.

richdg
12-26-2006, 10:58 AM
I like the idea of Colon at G. Put Colon and Kemo at G with Faneca at C to make the calls and show the leadership. That should be a very good Int. for the next 4 or 5 years.

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 11:37 AM
I don't like the idea of Faneca at center unless he can play it at an exceptional level equal to that of when he plays guard. Otherwise, you are moving a perennial pro-bowler away from his natural position where he accels to one where he doesn't, and that just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see them give Okobi a shot.

I was just watching the Bill Cowher press conference and I caught 2 interesting things. First off, when asked about whether or not he is going to retire, Cowher said "it was something that will be saved for after next weeks game". So in other words, we'll find out after the Cincy game. I feel like if he was going to stay, he would have said "Don't bother me with that question" or something along those lines, but instead it was "I'll tell you later". So Cowher seems likely to leave from my viewpoint, so who will replace him?

Secondly, although this might be a moot point if Cowher leaves, he mentioned that he believes that you need a two back system in today's game, and with Willie's somewhat erratic play this year, I think we will be looking for a second back in the draft. Again this might change with a new coach, but I wouldnt be suprised to look at an RB if one is available to us.

Again, I dont think Leonard is a good choice for us simply because we probably wouldnt use him enough to merit a high pick for him. I'd much rather see Tony Hunt in the second, because I really think that will be a great guy to pick up and would instantly fit in and make an impact.

richdg
12-26-2006, 11:39 AM
Ok, so here is my draft, if all feel into place.
1st: Staley LT. He is the only T in the draft that we have a chance to get, that can play the left side. We need help at both, so fix the left side.
2nd: Leonard RB/FB. He can start on day 1. Adds more options to the O, and fills the short yardage role.
3rd: Bazuin DE/OLB. No, he will not help in coverage. But I see the second coming of Kevin Greene. He will stuff the run and chase the QB all day long. Great motor, heart, and doens't quit.
4th: Harris ILB. He is a Earl Holmes clone. He will stuff the run, and allow Foote to chase.
5th: Young G/C. Has great size and can play either position. Also could go with Rameriez or Kuresa here. All have the size and ability to greatly strengthen our int. OL
6th: Patrick TE. Basically a T in a TE number. Big and strong. Further strengthens our running game.
6th: Peters S. A bigger version of Troy. He is 6-2/210 and runs a 4.3 40. Has the great hair as well.
7th: Wade CB. A depth pick. Is bigger and faster than Townsend. Played at Tenn. so is used to top level.
7th: Finnerty QB. Led GVSU to 2 straight DII titles. Is a great runner and can make all the throws. Tough and is a good leader.

Of course this can change, based on which juniors come out. All of these picks add to our toughness and heart. Something that has been sorely lacking this year.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 12:59 PM
I like Staley in the first, he seems to be intelligent AND a good football player, something that both our tackles do not seems to possess...

I agree with skarocksoi, I do not think we should get leonard simply because we probably will not use him as much as our pick would merit... however, I would not complain if we were to get him. I want Woodley thought with this pick.

I would like Tony Hunt in the 3rd, he is a great compliment to Willie.

In the fourth/miuddle rounds, IF Harris is there then I'd like to grab him but I doubt he will be here... Other players of interest right here may be Isiah Stanback.. Conrad Bolston DT UMD... Anthony Waters ILB Clemson.. Dan Mozses C WVU... or Ryan Harris, OT ND...

Since we will most likely have two picks in the fourth two of those guys would be great...

Fifth I like Patrick here along with you guys, also, anyone from above that hasn't been selected

Sixth/Seventh Adam Podlesh, P... I am not sure if punters get drafted or not... Dallas Baker, if he is still around... he will most likely shoot up to the middle rounds but if he is around I say we give the guy a shot...

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 01:06 PM
Does anyone have an idea of where we would draft if we win next week (and I'm hoping we do) and finish 8-8? If its high teens/low 20's I think we could trade down in Round 1 and get some extra picks later on. There's going to be a lot more competition in training camp this preseason and I'd like to see some youth get a shot at making the team.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 01:10 PM
well the way i think about it is that 12 teams make the playoffs... so the highest we pick is 20th... but if we win and finish 8 - 8, we will most likely pick 15th - 18th.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 01:17 PM
Ok, so here is my draft, if all feel into place.
1st: Staley LT. He is the only T in the draft that we have a chance to get, that can play the left side. We need help at both, so fix the left side.

Beautiful

2nd: Leonard RB/FB. He can start on day 1. Adds more options to the O, and fills the short yardage role.

Again Good, If anyone has payed close attention... The 2 weeks prior to the Baltimore game.. we used Kreider 15-20 times. As if we're putting new plays in for our FB. Word has it that we are enamored with him as will the Jets... They have 2 2nd rounders, We'll see.

3rd: Bazuin DE/OLB. No, he will not help in coverage. But I see the second coming of Kevin Greene. He will stuff the run and chase the QB all day long. Great motor, heart, and doens't quit.

Big Bazuin Fan.. I like the idea of adding him and Joe Staley. I can see him learning Coverage.. he has the will and the likes.. Staley claims him to be the Best DE he faced. Better than Woodley.

4th: Harris ILB. He is a Earl Holmes clone. He will stuff the run, and allow Foote to chase.

Doubt Harris falls this far, Justin Warren is a guy I'd take over Harris. Warren has made plays with far less talent around... Although I don't think you can do wrong either way

5th: Young G/C. Has great size and can play either position. Also could go with Rameriez or Kuresa here. All have the size and ability to greatly strengthen our int. OL

Ehh... I'm a bit wary of this. He's too stiff and slow, never makes it to the second tier. With our style of running we need a more athletic guy like Mozes/Kalil. Although I think Okobi/Phillip will be fine. A guy like Nathan Bennett or Jake Kuresa is good... remember our Gaurds have to be athletic and we don't take Maulers... Could possibly be our reason for trouble, but thats what we do.

6th: Patrick TE. Basically a T in a TE number. Big and strong. Further strengthens our running game.

For sure

6th: Peters S. A bigger version of Troy. He is 6-2/210 and runs a 4.3 40. Has the great hair as well.

I'm a big Hawaii Fan... but why? We'll have Clark and Carter... Logan if he stays as well. Peters can't ever stay healthy and we really don't have anything to use him for.. A guy like Abraham Wright would be solid.

7th: Wade CB. A depth pick. Is bigger and faster than Townsend. Played at Tenn. so is used to top level.

I love Wade but I think he'll get Drafted early day 2 on speed alone (10.2second 100m).

7th: Finnerty QB. Led GVSU to 2 straight DII titles. Is a great runner and can make all the throws. Tough and is a good leader.

Don't know much about him but from reading about him he seems like a great player.

Of course this can change, based on which juniors come out. All of these picks add to our toughness and heart. Something that has been sorely lacking this year.

With all that Said i'm really believing Grimm will be HC, we'll retain the 3-4.. and Grimm is a big fan of Ted Ginn.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 01:22 PM
if we get ginn ill be so pissed....

richdg
12-26-2006, 01:23 PM
I thinking Young, because he can play both G and C.
If grimm is our next HC, maulers is more likely. He is a former Hog after all. Straight ahead bashing of the other team.
Capers also could be in the mix. Plus a bunch of others.

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 01:27 PM
I figure theres about 3 scenarios that could occur with the coaching this offseason. In no particular order...

1. Cowher retires and we hire Grimm as our HC. Wisenhunt takes a coaching job elsewere, and someone fills in at OC (Probably the QB coach Whipple i think)

2. Cowher retires and we hire Wisenhunt as HC. Grimm gets interviews, but no job and moves up to OC.

3. Cowher stays and laughs at the media for making a big deal out of something that was never going to happen. Wisenhunt gets a job elsewhere and Grimm is the new OC.

I think Cowher is probably going to leave unless he has a last second change of heart and I feel like Wisenhunt will get the HC job, but I don't know who i prefer between the two remaining candidates. I doubt we go outside the organization, but after the press conference today Bouchette threw out Kirk Ferentz as a name. I dont know how I feel about that.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 01:27 PM
I thinking Young, because he can play both G and C.
If grimm is our next HC, maulers is more likely. He is a former Hog after all. Straight ahead bashing of the other team.
Capers also could be in the mix. Plus a bunch of others.

I don't want capers..

I like Grimm as our new HC..

The Reason why I don't like Young, even though he can play both G/C.. he's not fast enough to get out in front of screens or anything like that. He's strictly a hike the ball and hold point of attack. Where a guy like Mozes/Kalil can pull and lead the way... hell thats our bread and butter play...

The Center pulls the RG slided the line left, the RT holds point and the Center and Fullback lead right through where the RG was... Young isn't nearly athletic enough.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 01:35 PM
this will never happen but I wouldn't mind getting gruden if cowher retires, i think he is a great coach with a lot of enthusiasm...he coaches a lot like cowher and the two are pretty decent friends from what i understand

but id rather have cowher stay, wisenhunt leave, and bring back malarkey

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 01:37 PM
this will never happen but I wouldn't mind getting gruden if cowher retires, i think he is a great coach with a lot of enthusiasm...he coaches a lot like cowher and the two are pretty decent friends from what i understand

but id rather have cowher stay, wisenhunt leave, and bring back malarkey

I Think Cowhers gone... Grimm in, My buddys dad as the Oline Coach and Mularky back.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 01:38 PM
if mularkey came back... i would be estatic

richdg
12-26-2006, 01:45 PM
But the smaller OLmen do not match up well in our division and conference. Balt. destroyed our small Olmen and so did Jacksonville. Untill the new coach is annouced we don't know which way things will go.
I personnelly would move Faneca to C and let Kemo 6-3/330 play 1 G and Colon 6-3/335 play the other G. This allows us to cut Okabi and free up cash. Plus what we are saving for hartings.

On to the powerback debate. Leonard is a better player than Hunt. He is bigger and faster. Yes he can play FB in our base sets, and be the single back in the spread sets.
Hunt 6-2/230 est. 4.6 40 average receiver and no blocking skills.
Leonard 6-2/235 sub 4.5 40, great reciever, and a very good blocker.
Also we can then cut Krieder and save some cash.

richdg
12-26-2006, 01:48 PM
Mularky was terrible as OC. All we did was throw the ball every play, and loss in the playoffs. He failed as a HC. Wiz is much better. If Wiz leaves either Whipple or Grimm will take over as OC.

Other names to watch: Capers, Grimm, Wannstat, Gailey, Haslett, and the guy I go after: Carroll.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 01:53 PM
Carroll... as in Pete Carroll???

:shock:


I thought Mularkey did a pretty damn good job with terrible tommy and famous amos zeroue leading the way

in either case, i wouldnt mind have grimm taking over...

i wouldnt mind haslett either

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 01:56 PM
if we have two seconds and can grab leonard with the latter of them then i wouldnt mind it...

i think hunt would be the best value in round 3...

and i dont think we should cut krieder, hes not making much as it is and if we had him and hunt/leonard in the back feild that would be some heavy pounding

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 02:03 PM
if we have two seconds and can grab leonard with the latter of them then i wouldnt mind it...

i think hunt would be the best value in round 3...

and i dont think we should cut krieder, hes not making much as it is and if we had him and hunt/leonard in the back feild that would be some heavy pounding

I never said anything about cutting Kreider? But having both gives us abilities for new looks and the likes.

THav916
12-26-2006, 02:14 PM
I don't like the idea of Faneca at center unless he can play it at an exceptional level equal to that of when he plays guard. Otherwise, you are moving a perennial pro-bowler away from his natural position where he accels to one where he doesn't, and that just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see them give Okobi a shot.

I was just watching the Bill Cowher press conference and I caught 2 interesting things. First off, when asked about whether or not he is going to retire, Cowher said "it was something that will be saved for after next weeks game". So in other words, we'll find out after the Cincy game. I feel like if he was going to stay, he would have said "Don't bother me with that question" or something along those lines, but instead it was "I'll tell you later". So Cowher seems likely to leave from my viewpoint, so who will replace him?

Secondly, although this might be a moot point if Cowher leaves, he mentioned that he believes that you need a two back system in today's game, and with Willie's somewhat erratic play this year, I think we will be looking for a second back in the draft. Again this might change with a new coach, but I wouldnt be suprised to look at an RB if one is available to us.

Again, I dont think Leonard is a good choice for us simply because we probably wouldnt use him enough to merit a high pick for him. I'd much rather see Tony Hunt in the second, because I really think that will be a great guy to pick up and would instantly fit in and make an impact.

I like Faneca at center for a few reasons.
1. I think he clearly lost a step this year. I think him making pro bowl is a joke, and based on name alone (along with about 50% of the team). U can blame the line around him if you want, but on way too many occassions this year, he was getting blown up.
2. I think Faneca still is a good player and would be good anywhere. The Steelers have a history of good centers and I think Faneca making this move, could give us an elite Center for the next 4-5 years.
3. I want the best o-line possible. Like I stated, I think Faneca could be a pro bowler at center. I like Colon and Kemoeatu at guard.

Chalk me up as one of the people that really don't like Brian Leonard in the first round.

Can't wait to watch Bazuin tonight. As I've stated previously, I really want and think the Steelers should have, an OLB that has 12-15 sack potential. It's why I'm a fan of Woodley, would like to see more of Spencer, and skeptical on Poz.

As of now, I'd really like to come away from the first two rounds with a LB and a LT. If we do that, round 3 i think would be perfect for adding a guy like Tony Hunt. If we go with an ILB early, Brian Smith also in round 3 looks good, but he seems like a guy that could end up going anywhere. So we'll have to see. Rounds 4 and after is even more of a crapshoot, and yeah i have some positions i'd like to look at, but will depend on what actually happens on the first day. I do enjoy reading about a lot of your guys's 2nd day candidates. Seems like a bunch of us have similar thoughts and ideas on the types of guys we'd like to see the Steelers bring in.

THav916
12-26-2006, 02:17 PM
if mularkey came back... i would be estatic

Ew, I'm with Richdg on this one. I thought Mularkey was absolutely horrible. And still is absolutely horrible.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 02:19 PM
I don't like the idea of Faneca at center unless he can play it at an exceptional level equal to that of when he plays guard. Otherwise, you are moving a perennial pro-bowler away from his natural position where he accels to one where he doesn't, and that just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see them give Okobi a shot.

I was just watching the Bill Cowher press conference and I caught 2 interesting things. First off, when asked about whether or not he is going to retire, Cowher said "it was something that will be saved for after next weeks game". So in other words, we'll find out after the Cincy game. I feel like if he was going to stay, he would have said "Don't bother me with that question" or something along those lines, but instead it was "I'll tell you later". So Cowher seems likely to leave from my viewpoint, so who will replace him?

Secondly, although this might be a moot point if Cowher leaves, he mentioned that he believes that you need a two back system in today's game, and with Willie's somewhat erratic play this year, I think we will be looking for a second back in the draft. Again this might change with a new coach, but I wouldnt be suprised to look at an RB if one is available to us.

Again, I dont think Leonard is a good choice for us simply because we probably wouldnt use him enough to merit a high pick for him. I'd much rather see Tony Hunt in the second, because I really think that will be a great guy to pick up and would instantly fit in and make an impact.

I like Faneca at center for a few reasons.
1. I think he clearly lost a step this year. I think him making pro bowl is a joke, and based on name alone (along with about 50% of the team). U can blame the line around him if you want, but on way too many occassions this year, he was getting blown up.
2. I think Faneca still is a good player and would be good anywhere. The Steelers have a history of good centers and I think Faneca making this move, could give us an elite Center for the next 4-5 years.
3. I want the best o-line possible. Like I stated, I think Faneca could be a pro bowler at center. I like Colon and Kemoeatu at guard.

Chalk me up as one of the people that really don't like Brian Leonard in the first round.

Can't wait to watch Bazuin tonight. As I've stated previously, I really want and think the Steelers should have, an OLB that has 12-15 sack potential. It's why I'm a fan of Woodley, would like to see more of Spencer, and skeptical on Poz.

As of now, I'd really like to come away from the first two rounds with a LB and a LT. If we do that, round 3 i think would be perfect for adding a guy like Tony Hunt. If we go with an ILB early, Brian Smith also in round 3 looks good, but he seems like a guy that could end up going anywhere. So we'll have to see. Rounds 4 and after is even more of a crapshoot, and yeah i have some positions i'd like to look at, but will depend on what actually happens on the first day. I do enjoy reading about a lot of your guys's 2nd day candidates. Seems like a bunch of us have similar thoughts and ideas on the types of guys we'd like to see the Steelers bring in.

I'm not against Faneca at Center... if he proves he can be better there and LG won't be a liability.

He would be an amazing blocker on our "Steeler Run play".. the one where he'd pull, Run between Keomeatu and the RT.

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 03:44 PM
But the smaller OLmen do not match up well in our division and conference. Balt. destroyed our small Olmen and so did Jacksonville. Untill the new coach is annouced we don't know which way things will go.
I personnelly would move Faneca to C and let Kemo 6-3/330 play 1 G and Colon 6-3/335 play the other G. This allows us to cut Okabi and free up cash. Plus what we are saving for hartings.

On to the powerback debate. Leonard is a better player than Hunt. He is bigger and faster. Yes he can play FB in our base sets, and be the single back in the spread sets.
Hunt 6-2/230 est. 4.6 40 average receiver and no blocking skills.
Leonard 6-2/235 sub 4.5 40, great reciever, and a very good blocker.
Also we can then cut Krieder and save some cash.

I dont like those comparisons between Hunt and Leonard at all. First, Hunt has seen way better defenses that Leonard has in facing Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin this year and has performed admirably throughout the whole year. I also think you are making generalizations about each player too. Hunt is a great reciever and blocker. Probably the best for a senior runningback in this draft. We throw screens to him all the time, and I have never seen him miss a blocking assignment and has blocked well this whole year. He probably wont have a great timed speed, but if you watch him, he runs a lot faster than he times and is much shiftier than people give him credit for. Plus they are almost the same size, so Leonard isnt some towering monster either.

I haven't really watched Rutgers, except for the Louisville and Cincinnati games, where I didn't see anything from him, but I go to Penn State and have followed Hunt for the past two years. Tony Hunt is one of the most powerful runners I have watched in college football and just flat out runs people over. He is a complete man-beast and would be a better powerback than Leonard would be. I think peolple over estimate Leonard as a power runner simply because he was a fullback, so he must be good between the tackle. Plus, from what people have said, one of his biggest knocks is that hes not a very powerful blocker, and more of a finesse guy. I'm not saying hes not good, but I think he's more of an H-back and would basically get split out for swing passes and things of that sort. I really believe that Tony Hunt would fit in pefectly here and would be a much better value to our team than Leonard would be ever be.

I think whomever picks up Tony Hunt is going to be happy for years to come, because he is a very solid player with a great attitude.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 04:14 PM
But the smaller OLmen do not match up well in our division and conference. Balt. destroyed our small Olmen and so did Jacksonville. Untill the new coach is annouced we don't know which way things will go.
I personnelly would move Faneca to C and let Kemo 6-3/330 play 1 G and Colon 6-3/335 play the other G. This allows us to cut Okabi and free up cash. Plus what we are saving for hartings.

On to the powerback debate. Leonard is a better player than Hunt. He is bigger and faster. Yes he can play FB in our base sets, and be the single back in the spread sets.
Hunt 6-2/230 est. 4.6 40 average receiver and no blocking skills.
Leonard 6-2/235 sub 4.5 40, great reciever, and a very good blocker.
Also we can then cut Krieder and save some cash.

I dont like those comparisons between Hunt and Leonard at all. First, Hunt has seen way better defenses that Leonard has in facing Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin this year and has performed admirably throughout the whole year. I also think you are making generalizations about each player too. Hunt is a great reciever and blocker. Probably the best for a senior runningback in this draft. We throw screens to him all the time, and I have never seen him miss a blocking assignment and has blocked well this whole year. He probably wont have a great timed speed, but if you watch him, he runs a lot faster than he times and is much shiftier than people give him credit for. Plus they are almost the same size, so Leonard isnt some towering monster either.

I haven't really watched Rutgers, except for the Louisville and Cincinnati games, where I didn't see anything from him, but I go to Penn State and have followed Hunt for the past two years. Tony Hunt is one of the most powerful runners I have watched in college football and just flat out runs people over. He is a complete man-beast and would be a better powerback than Leonard would be. I think peolple over estimate Leonard as a power runner simply because he was a fullback, so he must be good between the tackle. Plus, from what people have said, one of his biggest knocks is that hes not a very powerful blocker, and more of a finesse guy. I'm not saying hes not good, but I think he's more of an H-back and would basically get split out for swing passes and things of that sort. I really believe that Tony Hunt would fit in pefectly here and would be a much better value to our team than Leonard would be ever be.

I think whomever picks up Tony Hunt is going to be happy for years to come, because he is a very solid player with a great attitude.

First of All... I want me some Tony Hunt...

Secondly after seeing how much we're making plays for the Fullback.. we must be going after either Leonard or Snelling.

THav916
12-26-2006, 04:17 PM
But the smaller OLmen do not match up well in our division and conference. Balt. destroyed our small Olmen and so did Jacksonville. Untill the new coach is annouced we don't know which way things will go.
I personnelly would move Faneca to C and let Kemo 6-3/330 play 1 G and Colon 6-3/335 play the other G. This allows us to cut Okabi and free up cash. Plus what we are saving for hartings.

On to the powerback debate. Leonard is a better player than Hunt. He is bigger and faster. Yes he can play FB in our base sets, and be the single back in the spread sets.
Hunt 6-2/230 est. 4.6 40 average receiver and no blocking skills.
Leonard 6-2/235 sub 4.5 40, great reciever, and a very good blocker.
Also we can then cut Krieder and save some cash.

I dont like those comparisons between Hunt and Leonard at all. First, Hunt has seen way better defenses that Leonard has in facing Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin this year and has performed admirably throughout the whole year. I also think you are making generalizations about each player too. Hunt is a great reciever and blocker. Probably the best for a senior runningback in this draft. We throw screens to him all the time, and I have never seen him miss a blocking assignment and has blocked well this whole year. He probably wont have a great timed speed, but if you watch him, he runs a lot faster than he times and is much shiftier than people give him credit for. Plus they are almost the same size, so Leonard isnt some towering monster either.

I haven't really watched Rutgers, except for the Louisville and Cincinnati games, where I didn't see anything from him, but I go to Penn State and have followed Hunt for the past two years. Tony Hunt is one of the most powerful runners I have watched in college football and just flat out runs people over. He is a complete man-beast and would be a better powerback than Leonard would be. I think peolple over estimate Leonard as a power runner simply because he was a fullback, so he must be good between the tackle. Plus, from what people have said, one of his biggest knocks is that hes not a very powerful blocker, and more of a finesse guy. I'm not saying hes not good, but I think he's more of an H-back and would basically get split out for swing passes and things of that sort. I really believe that Tony Hunt would fit in pefectly here and would be a much better value to our team than Leonard would be ever be.

I think whomever picks up Tony Hunt is going to be happy for years to come, because he is a very solid player with a great attitude.

I absolutely hate Penn State but I tend to agree. And while some of the above comments may be slightly biased, some of the same things also bother me. In Leonard, I see a guy that can't be a full time FB and can't be a full time HB. He seems to me like a much better version of Verron Haynes. 3rd down back, backup halfback, backup fullback. Very valuable for a team but not at the value of where people are talking about taking him. What would change my mind on Leonard if he could be a bonafide starting FB, block as well as a Kreider AND do all of his other things.

Hunt might not be as versatile but i think he's exactly what we need for a 1-2 punch with Parker. In fact I think the Parker, Hunt, Najeh backfield would be outstanding. He would provide a different type of back than we have, and an excellent strong, tough runner.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 04:21 PM
But the smaller OLmen do not match up well in our division and conference. Balt. destroyed our small Olmen and so did Jacksonville. Untill the new coach is annouced we don't know which way things will go.
I personnelly would move Faneca to C and let Kemo 6-3/330 play 1 G and Colon 6-3/335 play the other G. This allows us to cut Okabi and free up cash. Plus what we are saving for hartings.

On to the powerback debate. Leonard is a better player than Hunt. He is bigger and faster. Yes he can play FB in our base sets, and be the single back in the spread sets.
Hunt 6-2/230 est. 4.6 40 average receiver and no blocking skills.
Leonard 6-2/235 sub 4.5 40, great reciever, and a very good blocker.
Also we can then cut Krieder and save some cash.

I dont like those comparisons between Hunt and Leonard at all. First, Hunt has seen way better defenses that Leonard has in facing Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin this year and has performed admirably throughout the whole year. I also think you are making generalizations about each player too. Hunt is a great reciever and blocker. Probably the best for a senior runningback in this draft. We throw screens to him all the time, and I have never seen him miss a blocking assignment and has blocked well this whole year. He probably wont have a great timed speed, but if you watch him, he runs a lot faster than he times and is much shiftier than people give him credit for. Plus they are almost the same size, so Leonard isnt some towering monster either.

I haven't really watched Rutgers, except for the Louisville and Cincinnati games, where I didn't see anything from him, but I go to Penn State and have followed Hunt for the past two years. Tony Hunt is one of the most powerful runners I have watched in college football and just flat out runs people over. He is a complete man-beast and would be a better powerback than Leonard would be. I think peolple over estimate Leonard as a power runner simply because he was a fullback, so he must be good between the tackle. Plus, from what people have said, one of his biggest knocks is that hes not a very powerful blocker, and more of a finesse guy. I'm not saying hes not good, but I think he's more of an H-back and would basically get split out for swing passes and things of that sort. I really believe that Tony Hunt would fit in pefectly here and would be a much better value to our team than Leonard would be ever be.

I think whomever picks up Tony Hunt is going to be happy for years to come, because he is a very solid player with a great attitude.

I absolutely hate Penn State but I tend to agree. And while some of the above comments may be slightly biased, some of the same things also bother me. In Leonard, I see a guy that can't be a full time FB and can't be a full time HB. He seems to me like a much better version of Verron Haynes. 3rd down back, backup halfback, backup fullback. Very valuable for a team but not at the value of where people are talking about taking him. What would change my mind on Leonard if he could be a bonafide starting FB, block as well as a Kreider AND do all of his other things.

Hunt might not be as versatile but i think he's exactly what we need for a 1-2 punch with Parker. In fact I think the Parker, Hunt, Najeh backfield would be outstanding. He would provide a different type of back than we have, and an excellent strong, tough runner.

In my mocks i'm under the impression if we draft Leonard we don't resign Najeh... How cool would it be to get Leonard and Hunt ?

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 04:31 PM
if we have two seconds and can grab leonard with the latter of them then i wouldnt mind it...

i think hunt would be the best value in round 3...

and i dont think we should cut krieder, hes not making much as it is and if we had him and hunt/leonard in the back feild that would be some heavy pounding

I never said anything about cutting Kreider? But having both gives us abilities for new looks and the likes.

richdg said we could cut krider if we got leonard

maybe my memory isnt the best of the mularkey days... but wasnt he the OC when jerome and duece both had great years, and in term was labeled the 'return of steeler football' with the resurgence of the power running game?

But i may be wrong, Wiz mighta been the OC when staley and jerome had a good year together, and if so then disregard my mularkey comment because that is the year i am thinking about that gets me excited about him as the OC... it was '04 i believe

in either case, we need a power back.

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 04:38 PM
I know it seems like I'm really biased about the whole Tony Hunt thing, which I probably am a little biased, but if you've really watched him play, he's really impressive. He's basically been Penn State's entire offense this year and lead us to the record we have now. He's a quiet leader and is one of those "cogs in a bigger machine" kind of player that the Steelers love. I'm not saying anything crazy like he's better than Peterson or something, but hes a good runningback. Galen Hall says hes the second best runningback hes coached, with Emmit Smith being the first. That says a lot to me.

And I dont think Leonard is a bad player, and he might do very well in the NFL, but I truely believe Hunt would be the better choice for us in term of value and the things he could provide. We would never use Leonard to the fullest of his abilities, and although we've been using Krieder a little more these past few weeks, I highly doubt we'd come up with an entire package of plays for one guy who has never proven himself in the NFL and is probably going to be a second or maybe even third round fullback. We barely give it to Heath Miller enough, and I think he's a better player than Leonard is.

I just cant justify a pick in the first 3 rounds for a guy that we would have to basically create a position around when we have other pressing needs that can be adressed. I could absolutely be wrong, but I would hate to see us use a valuable high round pick to get him and have him end up doing nothing for us.

Smooth Criminal
12-26-2006, 04:39 PM
So since we're not going to make the playoffs Whis sucks?

Give me a break. Last year people were calling him the best play caller in football. Now people want to bring back Mularky.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 04:41 PM
if we have two seconds and can grab leonard with the latter of them then i wouldnt mind it...

i think hunt would be the best value in round 3...

and i dont think we should cut krieder, hes not making much as it is and if we had him and hunt/leonard in the back feild that would be some heavy pounding

I never said anything about cutting Kreider? But having both gives us abilities for new looks and the likes.

richdg said we could cut krider if we got leonard

maybe my memory isnt the best of the mularkey days... but wasnt he the OC when jerome and duece both had great years, and in term was labeled the 'return of steeler football' with the resurgence of the power running game?

But i may be wrong, Wiz mighta been the OC when staley and jerome had a good year together, and if so then disregard my mularkey comment because that is the year i am thinking about that gets me excited about him as the OC... it was '04 i believe

in either case, we need a power back.

I may be off, but when did Duce have a great year? He only had 4-100 yard games with us...

THav916
12-26-2006, 05:25 PM
But the smaller OLmen do not match up well in our division and conference. Balt. destroyed our small Olmen and so did Jacksonville. Untill the new coach is annouced we don't know which way things will go.
I personnelly would move Faneca to C and let Kemo 6-3/330 play 1 G and Colon 6-3/335 play the other G. This allows us to cut Okabi and free up cash. Plus what we are saving for hartings.

On to the powerback debate. Leonard is a better player than Hunt. He is bigger and faster. Yes he can play FB in our base sets, and be the single back in the spread sets.
Hunt 6-2/230 est. 4.6 40 average receiver and no blocking skills.
Leonard 6-2/235 sub 4.5 40, great reciever, and a very good blocker.
Also we can then cut Krieder and save some cash.

I dont like those comparisons between Hunt and Leonard at all. First, Hunt has seen way better defenses that Leonard has in facing Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin this year and has performed admirably throughout the whole year. I also think you are making generalizations about each player too. Hunt is a great reciever and blocker. Probably the best for a senior runningback in this draft. We throw screens to him all the time, and I have never seen him miss a blocking assignment and has blocked well this whole year. He probably wont have a great timed speed, but if you watch him, he runs a lot faster than he times and is much shiftier than people give him credit for. Plus they are almost the same size, so Leonard isnt some towering monster either.

I haven't really watched Rutgers, except for the Louisville and Cincinnati games, where I didn't see anything from him, but I go to Penn State and have followed Hunt for the past two years. Tony Hunt is one of the most powerful runners I have watched in college football and just flat out runs people over. He is a complete man-beast and would be a better powerback than Leonard would be. I think peolple over estimate Leonard as a power runner simply because he was a fullback, so he must be good between the tackle. Plus, from what people have said, one of his biggest knocks is that hes not a very powerful blocker, and more of a finesse guy. I'm not saying hes not good, but I think he's more of an H-back and would basically get split out for swing passes and things of that sort. I really believe that Tony Hunt would fit in pefectly here and would be a much better value to our team than Leonard would be ever be.

I think whomever picks up Tony Hunt is going to be happy for years to come, because he is a very solid player with a great attitude.

I absolutely hate Penn State but I tend to agree. And while some of the above comments may be slightly biased, some of the same things also bother me. In Leonard, I see a guy that can't be a full time FB and can't be a full time HB. He seems to me like a much better version of Verron Haynes. 3rd down back, backup halfback, backup fullback. Very valuable for a team but not at the value of where people are talking about taking him. What would change my mind on Leonard if he could be a bonafide starting FB, block as well as a Kreider AND do all of his other things.

Hunt might not be as versatile but i think he's exactly what we need for a 1-2 punch with Parker. In fact I think the Parker, Hunt, Najeh backfield would be outstanding. He would provide a different type of back than we have, and an excellent strong, tough runner.

In my mocks i'm under the impression if we draft Leonard we don't resign Najeh... How cool would it be to get Leonard and Hunt ?

Not very cool if it meant spending 2 first day picks on running backs. Too many other needs for that. Therefore I disagree. I'd rather try to resign Najeh, and if that doesn't work out, bring back Verron.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 05:28 PM
04 he and jerome split the load, each got almost 1000 yards, which is pretty darn good if u ask me

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 05:37 PM
we got Staley and Bunzin to look at tonight, correct?

anyone else the steelers may be targeting out of these games?

richdg
12-26-2006, 05:42 PM
The OC in 04 was Whiz. Mularky's last year, we went 6-10. Ward and Burress both had over 1000 yards receiving. Then Mularky went to Buff for 2 years. Now it wasn't all Mularky's fault. Injured OL, CB's that couldn't cover, etc.......

back to the Hunt/Leonard debate. I like both. I would be happy with either one. The best part of Leonard is, both him and Parker can be on the feild at the same time. Thunder and Lightning every play. Can't do that with Hunt. The simple fact is Leonard is bigger, faster, better runner, better reciever than Hunt.

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 05:46 PM
oh damn nevermind then, im not as big on Mularkey as i thought...

i really thought 04 was mularkey, oh well though

THav916
12-26-2006, 05:57 PM
The OC in 04 was Whiz. Mularky's last year, we went 6-10. Ward and Burress both had over 1000 yards receiving. Then Mularky went to Buff for 2 years. Now it wasn't all Mularky's fault. Injured OL, CB's that couldn't cover, etc.......

back to the Hunt/Leonard debate. I like both. I would be happy with either one. The best part of Leonard is, both him and Parker can be on the feild at the same time. Thunder and Lightning every play. Can't do that with Hunt. The simple fact is Leonard is bigger, faster, better runner, better reciever than Hunt.

I think it's far from a "fact" that Leonard is a better runner than Hunt. That's total opinion.

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 05:58 PM
The OC in 04 was Whiz. Mularky's last year, we went 6-10. Ward and Burress both had over 1000 yards receiving. Then Mularky went to Buff for 2 years. Now it wasn't all Mularky's fault. Injured OL, CB's that couldn't cover, etc.......

back to the Hunt/Leonard debate. I like both. I would be happy with either one. The best part of Leonard is, both him and Parker can be on the feild at the same time. Thunder and Lightning every play. Can't do that with Hunt. The simple fact is Leonard is bigger, faster, better runner, better reciever than Hunt.

I really think you are overrating Leonard and underrating Hunt, but I guess we'll find out later on.

I'm definitely going to be watching the game tonight to see Staley and Bazuin play and see how they do. I only watched a couple minutes of the MAC championship and didnt see much of them. I'm also going to watch the Rutgers game to see if Leonard really lives up to the hype he's given.

richdg
12-26-2006, 06:41 PM
To best judge leonard as a runner, you have to go back 2 years. The last half of last year and this year, Rice was getting all the carries. But there still is plenty of carries to see him. Maybe there is a site out there, that has highlight reels of different players? I haven't seen one, but if I was a Geek, I would make one.

richdg
12-26-2006, 06:47 PM
I have no idea about MTSU players. Staley and Bazuin are the 2 best seniors. Ogle is fun to watch, Keith is a good LB. Ogle with the sack! Many of CMU's best players are Fresh. and Soph.: LaFaver, Sneed, Anderson, Bazuin with the sack!, Friend, and Hartline (RT who may end up being better than Staley).

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 07:26 PM
To best judge leonard as a runner, you have to go back 2 years. The last half of last year and this year, Rice was getting all the carries. But there still is plenty of carries to see him. Maybe there is a site out there, that has highlight reels of different players? I haven't seen one, but if I was a Geek, I would make one.

Yeah, I wish I could find some clips of him. All I found on youtube were his leaps and thats about it.

I'm liking Staley a lot right now as he can get upfield to the next level really quick. My only question is does he have the strength to handle guys in the NFL? Mid Tennesee state isn't exactly a powerhouse school.

richdg
12-26-2006, 08:07 PM
He is 6-5/300 runs a 4.7 40 and does 28 reps at 225. He has room to add another 15 pounds or more and get stronger.

THav916
12-26-2006, 08:13 PM
He is 6-5/300 runs a 4.7 40 and does 28 reps at 225. He has room to add another 15 pounds or more and get stronger.

If he can do that now, and improve slightly on those numbers for the combine, how won't he go in the top 15? Especially if Long, Baker, etc return to college. He's an impressive player and those are some impressive numbers.

richdg
12-26-2006, 08:23 PM
That is the problem. He might go before we pick. He will go between 12 and 18. Were do we end up?

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 08:34 PM
Well, it depends on how accurate those numbers really are. Plus, he's in the MAC, which isn't really elite competition. I'd think the fact that he's hasn't played a lot professional prospects in his career will drop him to the late first at the earliest. Plus, most lineman seem to drop to the late first unless they are real elite prospects, like Joe Thomas. Levi Brown is Scott's second ranked tackle and he has him going late in the 20's. Staley is ranked 3rd and could go late first early second.

richdg
12-26-2006, 08:37 PM
The thing is, Staley plays a premium position: LT. There are no other good LT prospects. Thomas and Staley are it. he is a great athlete and those numbers are legit. he was a TE when he first came to CMU. Hey, here is a thought, we use him as a TE? Let Miller catch the passes, and let staley do the blocking...........

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 08:59 PM
The OC in 04 was Whiz. Mularky's last year, we went 6-10. Ward and Burress both had over 1000 yards receiving. Then Mularky went to Buff for 2 years. Now it wasn't all Mularky's fault. Injured OL, CB's that couldn't cover, etc.......

back to the Hunt/Leonard debate. I like both. I would be happy with either one. The best part of Leonard is, both him and Parker can be on the feild at the same time. Thunder and Lightning every play. Can't do that with Hunt. The simple fact is Leonard is bigger, faster, better runner, better reciever than Hunt.

I think it's far from a "fact" that Leonard is a better runner than Hunt. That's total opinion.

Opinion is who is better..

Fact is Hunt is a better Smashmouth and Leonard a better scatback.. the difference in recieving capabilities is negligable.. Hunt probably has just as hands.. being a WR coming to PSU.

The only big difference is Run style versus Speed..

We need a Power runner.. Najeh is fine in a "Leonard-esque" Role

skarocksoi
12-26-2006, 10:40 PM
The OC in 04 was Whiz. Mularky's last year, we went 6-10. Ward and Burress both had over 1000 yards receiving. Then Mularky went to Buff for 2 years. Now it wasn't all Mularky's fault. Injured OL, CB's that couldn't cover, etc.......

back to the Hunt/Leonard debate. I like both. I would be happy with either one. The best part of Leonard is, both him and Parker can be on the feild at the same time. Thunder and Lightning every play. Can't do that with Hunt. The simple fact is Leonard is bigger, faster, better runner, better reciever than Hunt.

I think it's far from a "fact" that Leonard is a better runner than Hunt. That's total opinion.

Opinion is who is better..

Fact is Hunt is a better Smashmouth and Leonard a better scatback.. the difference in recieving capabilities is negligable.. Hunt probably has just as hands.. being a WR coming to PSU.

The only big difference is Run style versus Speed..

We need a Power runner.. Najeh is fine in a "Leonard-esque" Role

I agree with stiller here. After watching a couple clips of Leonard, he's definitely faster than Hunt and has some pretty good breakaway speed, but we dont really need speed. We need some real power up the middle, and thats what Hunt is all about. Najeh or Haynes (I prefer Najeh) can take the screens and swing passes with Willie and Tony carrying the rock. Again, I think Leonard is a good player, but I cant justify us picking him up in a high round because we would never use him to his fullest.

Mr. Stiller
12-26-2006, 11:14 PM
The OC in 04 was Whiz. Mularky's last year, we went 6-10. Ward and Burress both had over 1000 yards receiving. Then Mularky went to Buff for 2 years. Now it wasn't all Mularky's fault. Injured OL, CB's that couldn't cover, etc.......

back to the Hunt/Leonard debate. I like both. I would be happy with either one. The best part of Leonard is, both him and Parker can be on the feild at the same time. Thunder and Lightning every play. Can't do that with Hunt. The simple fact is Leonard is bigger, faster, better runner, better reciever than Hunt.

I think it's far from a "fact" that Leonard is a better runner than Hunt. That's total opinion.

Opinion is who is better..

Fact is Hunt is a better Smashmouth and Leonard a better scatback.. the difference in recieving capabilities is negligable.. Hunt probably has just as hands.. being a WR coming to PSU.

The only big difference is Run style versus Speed..

We need a Power runner.. Najeh is fine in a "Leonard-esque" Role

I agree with stiller here. After watching a couple clips of Leonard, he's definitely faster than Hunt and has some pretty good breakaway speed, but we dont really need speed. We need some real power up the middle, and thats what Hunt is all about. Najeh or Haynes (I prefer Najeh) can take the screens and swing passes with Willie and Tony carrying the rock. Again, I think Leonard is a good player, but I cant justify us picking him up in a high round because we would never use him to his fullest.

With that Said...

Looks like i'm back to the mock board... :lol: :lol:

mikehop05
12-26-2006, 11:32 PM
ive always been a hunt fan, but leonard is a bruiser as well... i dont think we can go wrong with either

but if i had to choose id pick hunt cuz i think we can nab him in the 3rd

Smooth Criminal
12-27-2006, 11:46 AM
The thing is, Staley plays a premium position: LT. There are no other good LT prospects. Thomas and Staley are it. he is a great athlete and those numbers are legit. he was a TE when he first came to CMU. Hey, here is a thought, we use him as a TE? Let Miller catch the passes, and let staley do the blocking...........

Not to far off. He'd probably take over as our 3rd TE to if we got him. Right now Trai Essex does that job.

Mr. Stiller
12-27-2006, 02:00 PM
The thing is, Staley plays a premium position: LT. There are no other good LT prospects. Thomas and Staley are it. he is a great athlete and those numbers are legit. he was a TE when he first came to CMU. Hey, here is a thought, we use him as a TE? Let Miller catch the passes, and let staley do the blocking...........

Not to far off. He'd probably take over as our 3rd TE to if we got him. Right now Trai Essex does that job.

Tony Ugoh???

And Levi Brown could be just like Marcus McNeil.. at LT.. we need someone to just take people out..

Jon Ogden is awesome because no one can get around his arms..

Levi Brown/Tony Ugoh would give us elite LT Prospect besides Joe Thomas/Joe Staley

richdg
12-27-2006, 05:36 PM
I am not a fan of either on of those guys. They both remind me of Jermane Stephans, not something I want to remember. Ugoh is considered an underachever by most, and Brown is a RT IMO.

DeathbyStat
12-27-2006, 05:59 PM
I really don't like Russ Grim as our head coach. The line has been underachieving or playing poorly for 2 years especially in pass protection.

I felt last year Whisenhunt would be the ideal candidate, but this year his playing calling has been awfull( I know so has every thing else its not really his fault.)

I know that the Steelers won't do this but it would be awsome if they went outside of the team to find another head coach.....but kept Dick as the DC.

Mr. Stiller
12-27-2006, 09:15 PM
I really don't like Russ Grim as our head coach. The line has been underachieving or playing poorly for 2 years especially in pass protection.

I felt last year Whisenhunt would be the ideal candidate, but this year his playing calling has been awfull( I know so has every thing else its not really his fault.)

I know that the Steelers won't do this but it would be awsome if they went outside of the team to find another head coach.....but kept Dick as the DC.

My thing is ... Grimm called for Keomeatu, Cowher/Rooneys called for Simmons.

I think it's more because Cowher is too proud to admit a mistake as well. Grimm can only coach up the talent he's given... he can't make the calls.

skarocksoi
12-27-2006, 10:11 PM
If Grimm's style of coaching is anything like Cowhers, I would imagine we would take him as head coach, unless they really want to keep Wisenhunt around. Grimm seems like a tough, gritty kind of guy who could get the fire burning in our guys.

Also, why do people say that Levi Brown is more of a RT than a LT? Does he not have the size or strength or something like that?

steel man
12-28-2006, 12:08 AM
Leonard is just as powerful as Hunt and is a better player all a round, but both would be a great pick.

do you guys think the kid(Wynn) out a Fla. (UF) will get drafted or will we be able to pick him up as a UDFA or would he be a better value if we could pick him up in a later round than Hunt, also do you guys think he would be a good powerback.

P.S. i have saw Leonard live more than 1 time and have watch a lot of games on tv over the years and he is awsome and is a great guy also and most important he has heart and gives his all every play so he would also be great in the locker room and a leader on and off the field.

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 12:20 AM
If Grimm's style of coaching is anything like Cowhers, I would imagine we would take him as head coach, unless they really want to keep Wisenhunt around. Grimm seems like a tough, gritty kind of guy who could get the fire burning in our guys.

Also, why do people say that Levi Brown is more of a RT than a LT? Does he not have the size or strength or something like that?

Speed/Athleticism.. your LT is the guy:

A) blocking your qb's blindside...

b) Facing the bulk of other teams best pass rushers.

they don't think Levi can take on guys like Freeney.

steel man
12-28-2006, 12:22 AM
i also wanted to ask you guys what you think about us trading down and picking up another pick and take Michael Griffin, S, Texas and then we would have Smith(i like him a lot) and Clark as backups and nickle backs
or
move Ike to S for his cover skills and he has the size. his cover skills is what made Hope so good and help Troy out. we would have Mcfadden and Townsend at CB, thats who we have had for the last couple of games and they have not done bad plus we could draft a CB. but go ahead and tell me how crazy i am but all i was thinking was that would give us more playmakers on the field at one time.

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 01:48 AM
i also wanted to ask you guys what you think about us trading down and picking up another pick and take Michael Griffin, S, Texas and then we would have Smith(i like him a lot) and Clark as backups and nickle backs
or
move Ike to S for his cover skills and he has the size. his cover skills is what made Hope so good and help Troy out. we would have Mcfadden and Townsend at CB, thats who we have had for the last couple of games and they have not done bad plus we could draft a CB. but go ahead and tell me how crazy i am but all i was thinking was that would give us more playmakers on the field at one time.

So, you want to replace a FS that in his 3 games has 2 Ints and 8 Knock out hits.. 17 Tackles, 2 INts and 5 passes defended in 3 games? The kid has starter written all over him...

Why draft another safety? Start Smith, Put Clark Behind him and Carter has been playing like a man possessed and put him behind Polamalu.


When you look our issues in secondary you must first undersand our defensive Scheme.


The Dline is build to stop the rush and allow the Linebackers to cause havok. The secondary is built only to work with a pass rush. The Corners give a 5-10 yard cushion.. hoping by the time the WR's get to the corners the Pass rush has forced the Qb into a bad throw allowing the Corners to make a play on the ball.


This season has been bad because:

1) Cowher used Ike as a scapegoat. Ike wasn't playing great, but no one else was either, but he had no problem dropping Ike.. Porter has done jack **** but he'd never be demoted.

2) Porter and Haggans have been a nonexistant pass rush. Our best pass rushers were Arnold Harrison and Chad Brown. The #'s don't show it but they closed a pocket, where as Haggans and Porter haven't done anything.

3) Cowher has let the team out to dry, he hasn't had the fire.. it's hard to fire up the troops when you're thinking of everything about football.


the last thing we need is another corner/safety. Our starters should be Ike and Bryant with DeShea at Nickel and either Colclough/Madison/Iwuoma/Carter at Dime. With Clark and Carter backing up Anthony Smith and Troy Polamalu...


We need a Pass Rush.. I like Michael Griffin but we have 0 need for him.. if we take a secondary player it'd be Darrelle Revis/Dwight Lowery...


with that said, here's my new mock draft:


My Dream Offseason:

Trade Joey Porter for a 2nd Rounder.
Let Starks go for a 3rd round tender.

1) Tommy Blake, OLB, Texas Christian

Premier Pass rusher... Reminds me of the Joey Porter of old. But I think this kid can take a season behind Porter, and build his upperbody strength. After that we'll have possibly the next guy to resemble Joey Porter/Adalius Thomas.... 6'3 250lbs.

2a) Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee

A 6'3 WR with great hands, elite 4.3-4.4 speed and a solid blocker. He would give us a big target and a big play guy. I think he could come in and play #3 for a few years then take over as #1. I like Santonio Holmes but he's a career #2. Thats not a bad thing, but Meachem will be an amazing #1. 6'3 210lbs.

2b) Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan

An athletic LT that can learn our system and give us a solid RT for a few years before he takes over for Marvel. 6'5 300lbs.

3a) Jonathan Goff, MLB, Vanderbilt

This kid is intelligent (Engineering Major)... He was a QB and WR/S earlier on... Now he's a 6'4 250 lb MLB with solid speed, takes a half second for play recognition, but gets there fast. A year behind one of the smartest MLB's in the league will really get him. 6'4 245lbs.

3b) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State

the best short yardage and smashmouth runner in the draft. He'll be fine with sharing carries with Willie Parker. Good with Short Yardage.. he runs like a bowling ball. He's hard to tackle.. just bouncing and bouncing. 6'2 230lbs.

4a) Paul Soliai, DE, Utah

A solid run stopping guy that can just clog a line. Giving us depth at DE. Rodney Bailey and Travis Kirschke don't really impress me. 6'4 318lbs.

4B) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

I see this kid as a very raw Alan Faneca.. a chance to grab the future at LG here. 6'4 295 and athletic.

5a) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii

Experienced 3-4 DE with Solid size and never quit engine. 6'6 290lbs.

5b) John Beck, QB, BYU

I think this guy is in need of a starting job some where. However, I don't think anyone will give him the chance, and I think he'll come here to Pittsburgh... Learn from Ben/Charlie and take over for Charlie when he can't be the #2 anymore. 6'2 205lbs.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

The best blocking TE in this draft not named Matt Spaeth.. even then i think it's a toss up. Patrick is a TE in a light Tackles body.. But he has good enough speed and good hands to be a reliable blocking TE that can recieve. 6'4 270lbs.

7) Abraham Wright, OLB, Colorado

A pass rush specialist from a Pittsburgh Steeler school. They love them some Colorado boys and Abraham Wright had 5 sacks as a Junior and managed 12 this season. I'm not sold on his speed, I haven't see him in coverage. My dissappointment and reason why he'll likely drop... he hasn't produced in big games..
Georgia he mustered 3 tackles, 1 pass defended.
Oklahoma he managed 2 tackles.
Iowa State he got 2 tackles.
Nebraska he had 1 tackle... thats 8 of his 26 tackles.
He managed double sack games at Kansas and Baylor and 3 sacks against Colorado State.

Then again Joey Porter was a 22 Career sack guy, 2 years of defense experience and a 4.64 40 coming out... I can see Wright putting up those type of #'s.

GaMeTiMe
12-28-2006, 02:01 AM
Hey Steelers fans, question, is Willie Colon an option to replace Max Starks at RG? I know he wasnt highly touted but you would think they picked him in the fourth last year out of a small football school like Hofstra for a reason. Would it be a reason for them to look in another direction in the first round come April?

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 02:06 AM
Hey Steelers fans, question, is Willie Colon an option to replace Max Starks at RG? I know he wasnt highly touted but you would think they picked him in the fourth last year out of a small football school like Hofstra for a reason. Would it be a reason for them to look in another direction in the first round come April?

Colon and Starks are at RT.

and to answer your question.. he's very athletic and has a mean streak.. he also shut out Suggs, Adalius Thomas and Trevor Pryce in his first ever start.

So my opinion is yes.

THav916
12-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Mr Stiller, it's a nice draft, but as usual, built around getting extra picks. Joe Staley available late 2nd round doesn't seem like it'll happen but that would be real solid.

Colon would most certainly be a possibility at RT. I'd really like to see him switch to guard though. I think his build is better for guard and he could be a real good one. I know switching Faneca to C might surprise some, but i really like the idea of Colon and Kemoeatu as our guards, and don't think Okobi or Phillip fit the mold of a "Steeler center".

What have we heard about Tommy Blake entering the draft? I'd love as many 3-4 OLB's to enter as possible.

richdg
12-28-2006, 06:12 PM
Colon-Faneca-Kemo would be a great Int. to our OL. You have 2 big maulers at Guard and a born leader/multiple Pro Bowler at C. This would drop the need for a G/C to day 2 for depth.

TerribleEd
12-28-2006, 06:30 PM
Well, you can go back to the drawing board, Mr. Stiller, when it comes to the Steelers first rounder:

Published on December 20th in the San Diego Union Tribune:

“Football is something I love to do,” said Blake. “Some people believe I should go into the draft. But my decision is to stay in school and get my degree. I promised my mom. I promised myself.”

Mr. Stiller, I love reading your drafts but you do certainly get your whims.

Unrealistic, in my opinion:

I doubt Joe Staley makes it to the second round at all, let alone our 2b (which will never happen because at this point a 2nd rounder for Porter is unrealistic as well).

Ikaima-Francis (or whatever his name is) has been showing up as a second rounder in many a mock draft recently. He's also on Mel Kiper's board. Dont see him lasting until Rd 5 per your mock.

I do love the John Beck pick!

In closing, it's too bad Tommy Blake is not coming out because OLB is without question the team's biggest need (bigger than ILB, DB, or OL), and I dont really see a tweener worthy of our first rounder, except perhaps Anthony Spencer who is definitely not worth a number 15 pick or higher.

Based on BPA with respect to positional needs, the prospects I like the most for Steeler 1st rounder include:

Pat Willis
Justin Blalock
Joe Stanton (would require trade down)
Anthony Spencer (would require trade down).

THav916
12-28-2006, 06:59 PM
Well, you can go back to the drawing board, Mr. Stiller, when it comes to the Steelers first rounder:

Published on December 20th in the San Diego Union Tribune:

“Football is something I love to do,” said Blake. “Some people believe I should go into the draft. But my decision is to stay in school and get my degree. I promised my mom. I promised myself.”

Mr. Stiller, I love reading your drafts but you do certainly get your whims.

Unrealistic, in my opinion:

I doubt Joe Staley makes it to the second round at all, let alone our 2b (which will never happen because at this point a 2nd rounder for Porter is unrealistic as well).

Ikaima-Francis (or whatever his name is) has been showing up as a second rounder in many a mock draft recently. He's also on Mel Kiper's board. Dont see him lasting until Rd 5 per your mock.

I do love the John Beck pick!

In closing, it's too bad Tommy Blake is not coming out because OLB is without question the team's biggest need (bigger than ILB, DB, or OL), and I dont really see a tweener worthy of our first rounder, except perhaps Anthony Spencer who is definitely not worth a number 15 pick or higher.

Based on BPA with respect to positional needs, the prospects I like the most for Steeler 1st rounder include:

Pat Willis
Justin Blalock
Joe Stanton (would require trade down)
Anthony Spencer (would require trade down).

I agree with this post a great deal. I don't like to knock ya Mr Stiller, cuz your thoughts are so detailed and in depth, but so much of what you do seems to be far fetched. Even though u get stuck on things somethings, (who doesnt), you will listen to feedback and often change your thoughts. Your drafts always end up amazing cuz we have 20 picks and getting 1st day picks well into the 2nd day. I will say, I enjoy the thoughts, and we have a long way to go, so you can perfect your skills till then.

Willis, Blalock (whom i dont agree with, but admittedly we could look at), Staley (i believe you meant Staley), Spencer are all good possibilities as of now. Can i also throw Woodley, Poz, Bazuin, Jarrett into the mix. And before someone says, one guy is too early, or one guy doesn't fit, it's December, and just a rough list of players we'll possibly be considering.

Nice, but unfortunate news, about Blake. Just when Mr Stiller gets me excited about someone! lol. Now you gotta find another stud OLB for me! For some reason, im not worried.

skarocksoi
12-28-2006, 08:04 PM
I'm all for trading down in this draft if we can get a guy like Spencer or Staley later on in the first and some extra picks in the draft. We are probably going to be picking in a spot that wont have any real superstar talent, but still easier to trade down to someone who wants to move up in the draft. But I think we will have a lot of options for what we could do to fill all of our needs in this draft. I just want a good pass rush OLB prospect and a future tackle this year.

I'm a little bummed cause I forgot that the Rutgers game is on NFL network, which I dont get at home. I really wanted to see if Leonard lives up to all that hype. I get it up at school though, do you think they will replay it in a week or so?

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 08:24 PM
I'm all for trading down in this draft if we can get a guy like Spencer or Staley later on in the first and some extra picks in the draft. We are probably going to be picking in a spot that wont have any real superstar talent, but still easier to trade down to someone who wants to move up in the draft. But I think we will have a lot of options for what we could do to fill all of our needs in this draft. I just want a good pass rush OLB prospect and a future tackle this year.

I'm a little bummed cause I forgot that the Rutgers game is on NFL network, which I dont get at home. I really wanted to see if Leonard lives up to all that hype. I get it up at school though, do you think they will replay it in a week or so?

I'll post a really realistic one, it's hard at this stage to properly gauge anyone.

That was my dream mock.

Watch Javorskie Lane and The Fullback .. Alexander, both very very close running styles to Jerome Bettis.. Lane has the footwork and agile but once he squares up.. prepare to get hit.

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 08:25 PM
I'm all for trading down in this draft if we can get a guy like Spencer or Staley later on in the first and some extra picks in the draft. We are probably going to be picking in a spot that wont have any real superstar talent, but still easier to trade down to someone who wants to move up in the draft. But I think we will have a lot of options for what we could do to fill all of our needs in this draft. I just want a good pass rush OLB prospect and a future tackle this year.

I'm a little bummed cause I forgot that the Rutgers game is on NFL network, which I dont get at home. I really wanted to see if Leonard lives up to all that hype. I get it up at school though, do you think they will replay it in a week or so?

Probably.. If the NFL Network wants NFL Games.. fine, college games is Bulls hit.

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 10:20 PM
Desmond Bishop is my top rated 3-4 MLB right now..

He reminds me of James Farrior, just faster... he can learn from Farrior and be a pro-bowler for us IMO.

TerribleEd
12-28-2006, 11:04 PM
Steeler Mock:

Rd 1) Steelers trade down from 15 to mid 20's and add an extra pick late in Rd 2. They use their first selection on Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan, to compete at RT immediately with thoughts that he has the athleticism to eventually be moved to the left side.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cmu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/229200.jpeg

Rd 2a) The Steelers add depth to the secondary, selecting Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/scar/galleries/troy_usc05/Brown2.jpg

Rd 2b) The Steelers again address the trenches, selecting Ryan Kalil, C, USC. A mobile technician with excellent leadership qualities, Kalil is a Steeler type of guy.

http://www.tsglogos.com/images/172_Kalil_Ryan_action1.jpg

Rd 3) The Steelers finally address the pass rush, selecting Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri. They are elated that he is still available, since they had him ranked second on their draft chart of 3-4 OLB prospects.

http://www.nationalchamps.net/2005/sub/pics/small/missouri_brian_smith_sm.jpg

Rd 4) This time addressing the middle, the Steelers select Desmond Bishop, ILB, California.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/297663.jpeg

Rd 4 comp) The Steelers completely shock their fan base who have been waiting all day for the selection of a big back. To the contrary, the Steelers select Lorenzo Booker, RB, FSU. A decision by new head coach, Ken Whisenhunt, who loves adding more big play ability to the backfield and the return game.

http://mcspoll.com/images/lo_bo_fsu_vs_syracuse_new.jpg

Rd 5) The Steelers select their annual training camp fodder, selecting John Beck, QB, BYU. This one, however, should win a roster spot.

http://www.byucougars.com/football/images/a-Beck_John-2005B.jpg

Rd 5 comp) In love with his measurables, the Steelers select 3-4 DE Antonio Johnson, Mississippi State.

http://www.genespage.com/images/01practices/football/2006/june05/10-calvinwilson.jpg

Rd 6) Steeler fans sigh in relief as they pull the trigger on a "biggie", DeShawn Wynn, RB, Florida. Neither Haynes nor Davenport are too happy about this.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/17/images/OT_198479_BORC_gators_2.JPG

Rd 7) Steelers seclect Brendan Carney, P, Syracuse (or whatever other Punter they like who's available).

http://web.syr.edu/~btcarney/carney.jpg

Mr. Stiller
12-28-2006, 11:56 PM
1) Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan

Athletic Tackle that needs to work on upperbody strength.. all the mechanics/Athleticism and footwork are there, just needs some upperbody work.

2) Anthony Spencer, OLB, Purdue

Needing a solid Passrusher with a good first step. Spencer is one of the fastest off the ball.

3) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State

We need a Short Yardage guy and Tony Hunt is a Short Yardage Specialist.

4a) Desmond Bishop, MLB, California

I think he goes before here but this is where his stock is right now. Imagine a Young James Farrior with better speed. A year or 2 of Tutoring behind the James Farrior and we have a kid that I think will be a pro-bowler.

4b) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

Solid Blocker and can block for either a speed or power rusher.

5a) John Beck, QB, BYU

Solid Passer, should be a starter somewhere, but he falls to us and we'll have 2 of the best backups in the league.

5b) Paul Soliai, DT(DE), Utah

A monster DT that just takes the middle of a 4-3 away from opposing offensive lines. Will make a solid DE for us.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

Basically a Tackle in a TE's body... well.. if you consider 6'4 270 lbs of just solid mass a TE body.

7) Quinton Echols, NT, KSU

Didn't get to play in the bowl, but he is a monster in the middle, he can draw alot of attention in the middle of the line.



Guys to look at in UDFA(Speculating):

Isaiah Stanback, QB/WR, Washington
Sawyer Smith, QB, Portland State
Ab Kuuan, RB, Grambling
Lonta Hobbs, Rb, TCU
Nate Ilaoa, FB, Hawaii
Chad Schroeder, WR, Texas A&M
David Sutton, WR, UTEP
Chase Johnson, OT, Wyoming (Mauler)
Tala Esera, OG, Hawaii
Mark Bihl, OC, Michigan
John Bailes, NT, SDSU
Jermaine Reid, DE, Akron
Martin Jackson, DE, Alcorn State
Danny Wheeler, MLB, Georgia
Pat Lowery, MLB, NCST
Ramon Guzman, OLB, Buffalo
Alan Ball, CB, Illinois
Joe Garcia, CB, Nevada

skarocksoi
12-29-2006, 12:38 PM
Both of those mocks look pretty good and I'd be pretty happy with either. The only thing Im not sure about is in Terrible Ed's mock. Is Booker supposed to be just a return man or is he more? And if so is he a power runner or more of a speed guy? I don't know if we'd really draft another return man when Reid hasn't really gotten a chance to play and Holmes showing some improvement in that area. Plus, I dont think a scat back is something we need either. Also, I dont think we would take a corner in the second round, simply because we have 3 pretty young corners in Colclough, Taylor, and McFadden. Deshea is old, but he's still playing ok, and if anything Taylor and McFadden start over him than some rookie we might draft. I can't argue with a corner later on, cause we can use the depth, but not in the first few rounds.

Our major problems this year, aside from stupid mistakes, seem to be a lack of a pass rush and the Oline, which both of you guys seem to have adressed in your mocks. So me likey.

I didn't watch a lot of the Cal game yesterday, but when I did, it looked like Bishop played pretty well. He took some bad angles, but his athleticism made up for it, so a year or two under farrior and he could turn out pretty well.

richdg
12-29-2006, 01:27 PM
I might have missed this, but is A. Smith our Pro bowl DE a UFA this year? I just read somehting about him being a top target of the Browns this off season. I thought he was signed for 2 more years? Does anyone know for sure, one way of the other?

TerribleEd
12-29-2006, 04:26 PM
Aaron Smith is locked in for one more season. After next season, the Steelers once again have some decisions to make:

http://www.steelernation.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-508.html

TerribleEd
12-29-2006, 04:36 PM
skarocksoi, the Lorenzo Booker pick was kind of a whim after seeing him explode in FSU's bowl game. It's probably not likely, but the Steelers never cease to surprise on draft day, and I know a guy like Ken Whiz loves this type of athleticism.

He wouldnt serve as just a return man, but would certainly look good paired with his FSU buddy, Willie Reid, back there. He would basically be a back up to Willie P. - not a change of pace back - a back up. He brings that same kind of home run threat. He's slightly different than Willie P, however. He would never be able to handle the amount of carries that Willie has had this year, but in a spot role, could be more dangerous per touch. He's probably more shifty and better at making people miss than Willie is. This move also provides depth, ensuring that the Steelers have a breakaway threat back there even if Parker were injured.

Again, this move is probably unlikely, but I love this guy's shiftiness and pure speed. This move also only makes sense if the Steelers keep 4 RB's (2 fast backs and 2 power backs).

That's why I also had them take DeShawn Wynn later.

skarocksoi
12-29-2006, 05:40 PM
skarocksoi, the Lorenzo Booker pick was kind of a whim after seeing him explode in FSU's bowl game. It's probably not likely, but the Steelers never cease to surprise on draft day, and I know a guy like Ken Whiz loves this type of athleticism.

He wouldnt serve as just a return man, but would certainly look good paired with his FSU buddy, Willie Reid, back there. He would basically be a back up to Willie P. - not a change of pace back - a back up. He brings that same kind of home run threat. He's slightly different than Willie P, however. He would never be able to handle the amount of carries that Willie has had this year, but in a spot role, could be more dangerous per touch. He's probably more shifty and better at making people miss than Willie is. This move also provides depth, ensuring that the Steelers have a breakaway threat back there even if Parker were injured.

Again, this move is probably unlikely, but I love this guy's shiftiness and pure speed. This move also only makes sense if the Steelers keep 4 RB's (2 fast backs and 2 power backs).

That's why I also had them take DeShawn Wynn later.

I see where you are going with that, and its not a bad idea, but I think its high for a guy who wont touch the ball a whole lot and will probably end up on the practice squad. Maybe late 5th or after that would be alright, but not before.

I also noticed you mentioned about the 2 power backs, but I'd argue that we dont have any at all. I think people call Haynes and Davenport power backs simply because they are bigger guys and dont have the speed that Willie does. In reality, they are just 3rd down backs and nothing more. Najeh has been the best when he can get out into space with screens or running off tackle and hasn't really done well in-between the tackles (although the line hasn't helped much). Haynes is the same way and couldn't even compete with Willie when it came to the goalline. Thats why I think we need to pick up a good powerback who can make an impact right away and complement Willie. So, I'd look for someone in the first 4 rounds instead of in the 7th, but thats just my opinion.

Mr. Stiller
12-29-2006, 09:46 PM
Aaron Smith is locked in for one more season. After next season, the Steelers once again have some decisions to make:

http://www.steelernation.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-508.html

I've already made the decision


Chris Long, 3-4 DE, Virginia.

and thats Why i have us picking Francis/Soliai, But Ryan McBean and your Miss State guy seem like great prospects as well.


As for the Lorenzo Booker thing... I love the idea, but we're not NY Jets and I cant see us carrying 4 RB's.

Najeh is a great Screen/3rd Down Back, Tony Hunt is a solid Recieving short yardage/3rd down rb (I see more 3 Wide 2RB sets coming with these two) and Willie Parker is a strong homerun #1.

I'm a big Booker fan, and hell if we can have him or a shiftier speedy guy..

Wait we'll only have 2 centers, so this is a possibility, but I think the steelers are going to go with a 1 primary, a 2ndary(Short Yardage, spot work) and a 3rd down RB (Screens and blocking)

steel man
12-29-2006, 10:46 PM
has any of you guys seen Cory Jackson - FB/RB play, he is a beast. as the saying goes "he's a man among boys", to bad he is only a freshman or he WOULD solve our power running game. i watched him play in high school also and he blew it up. the only bad thing he has done was left his home state of WV(and is from the city of morgantown also) and went to Maryland.

Tell me if you guys think this may happen and if it would be a good thing to do:

'07' draft Brian Leonard - this year he is to good to pass up power + speed
'07' draft or pick up as a UDFA Jackie Battle - is a good player and could be a steal
'08' draft Owen Schmitt - could be the replacement for Dan Kreider
'09' draft Cory Jackson - will be the next great power back to come


also i was wanting to know what you guys think of all of these QB's and rank them with the best being 1) then rank them in order of the one that would fit our team the best also which ones do you think we could(put 1 * beside name) and which ones do you think we will land(put 2 * beside name)

1) Kevin Kolb
2) Colt Brennan (if he comes out) i think is the beat of all of these guys
3) Jared Zabransky
4) Jordan Palmer (another brother vs bother and the younger brother is not as good once again, but that would still be funny to have him on our team)
5) Jason Beck
6) Drew Tate

Mr. Stiller
12-30-2006, 12:33 AM
has any of you guys seen Cory Jackson - FB/RB play, he is a beast. as the saying goes "he's a man among boys", to bad he is only a freshman or he WOULD solve our power running game. i watched him play in high school also and he blew it up. the only bad thing he has done was left his home state of WV(and is from the city of morgantown also) and went to Maryland.

Tell me if you guys think this may happen and if it would be a good thing to do:

'07' draft Brian Leonard - this year he is to good to pass up power + speed
'07' draft or pick up as a UDFA Jackie Battle - is a good player and could be a steal
'08' draft Owen Schmitt - could be the replacement for Dan Kreider
'09' draft Cory Jackson - will be the next great power back to come


also i was wanting to know what you guys think of all of these QB's and rank them with the best being 1) then rank them in order of the one that would fit our team the best also which ones do you think we could(put 1 * beside name) and which ones do you think we will land(put 2 * beside name)

1) Kevin Kolb
2) Colt Brennan (if he comes out) i think is the beat of all of these guys
3) Jared Zabransky
4) Jordan Palmer (another brother vs bother and the younger brother is not as good once again, but that would still be funny to have him on our team)
5) Jason Beck
6) Drew Tate


With Those Guys..

Kevin Kolb1
John Beck 1/2
Colt Brennan1
jordan Palmer
Drew Tate.

I want Beck the most.


As for RBs... Jackie Battle is too slow to be a RB in the NFL and will likely be a FB.. Cory Jackson is Alright but I think Tony Hunt is going to solve our Power RB issues.

As for FB? I can see us grabbing a guy like Owen Schmidt or just grabbing a UDFA.

I'm fond of Drafting Tony Hunt, PSU RB and Signing Nate Ilaoa RB/FB from Hawaii.. He's a tad Slower Version of Jones-Drew but he's 5'9 250lbs and he's a bowling ball.. he'd give us an option if anyone gets hurt, but he'd be an awesome fullback... The strength and Size to get under defenders and blow them out. Imagine a 5'9 guy with good amount of muscle just coming up full speed and running into you,... that much power & Speed that low... would beat a 6' 270 lb FB blocking you 1-2 inches higher.


He'll get UNDER the defenders and block... Alas with that Said as much as I love the idea i doubt it happens..

skarocksoi
12-30-2006, 12:41 AM
I would love to get Ilaoa simply for the fact that watching him play makes me laugh. He plays like hes 6 foot tall and just pinballs off of guys when they try to tackle him. I get a kick out of it every time.

Mr. Stiller
12-30-2006, 01:05 AM
I would love to get Ilaoa simply for the fact that watching him play makes me laugh. He plays like hes 6 foot tall and just pinballs off of guys when they try to tackle him. I get a kick out of it every time.

As would I.

But I think he could be an asset on Offense.. Let him run in front of Willie or Tony hunt a few times.. he's a great reciever as well.

THav916
12-30-2006, 07:42 PM
has any of you guys seen Cory Jackson - FB/RB play, he is a beast. as the saying goes "he's a man among boys", to bad he is only a freshman or he WOULD solve our power running game. i watched him play in high school also and he blew it up. the only bad thing he has done was left his home state of WV(and is from the city of morgantown also) and went to Maryland.

Tell me if you guys think this may happen and if it would be a good thing to do:

'07' draft Brian Leonard - this year he is to good to pass up power + speed
'07' draft or pick up as a UDFA Jackie Battle - is a good player and could be a steal
'08' draft Owen Schmitt - could be the replacement for Dan Kreider
'09' draft Cory Jackson - will be the next great power back to come


also i was wanting to know what you guys think of all of these QB's and rank them with the best being 1) then rank them in order of the one that would fit our team the best also which ones do you think we could(put 1 * beside name) and which ones do you think we will land(put 2 * beside name)

1) Kevin Kolb
2) Colt Brennan (if he comes out) i think is the beat of all of these guys
3) Jared Zabransky
4) Jordan Palmer (another brother vs bother and the younger brother is not as good once again, but that would still be funny to have him on our team)
5) Jason Beck
6) Drew Tate


With Those Guys..

Kevin Kolb1
John Beck 1/2
Colt Brennan1
jordan Palmer
Drew Tate.

I want Beck the most.


As for RBs... Jackie Battle is too slow to be a RB in the NFL and will likely be a FB.. Cory Jackson is Alright but I think Tony Hunt is going to solve our Power RB issues.

As for FB? I can see us grabbing a guy like Owen Schmidt or just grabbing a UDFA.

I'm fond of Drafting Tony Hunt, PSU RB and Signing Nate Ilaoa RB/FB from Hawaii.. He's a tad Slower Version of Jones-Drew but he's 5'9 250lbs and he's a bowling ball.. he'd give us an option if anyone gets hurt, but he'd be an awesome fullback... The strength and Size to get under defenders and blow them out. Imagine a 5'9 guy with good amount of muscle just coming up full speed and running into you,... that much power & Speed that low... would beat a 6' 270 lb FB blocking you 1-2 inches higher.


He'll get UNDER the defenders and block... Alas with that Said as much as I love the idea i doubt it happens..

Mr Stiller, u gotta quit acting like we already have Tony Hunt. Don't get me wrong, I'm big on drafting him, but you are dismissing other ideas because Hunt is the one. U gotta realize there's a chance of us not drafting him.

I love Owen Schmidt. Steel man, U mention one guy is from Morgantown and then Schmidt. U a WVU guy? I'm an alum. And i love Schmidt for the Steelers as Kreider's replacement. He's a huge, strong dude and a pure blocker, with a little more running skills. But i love the traditional blocking FB and Schmidt fits the bill.

I love Hawaii players. I agree with saying they'd love to draft Ilaoa just cuz he makes you laugh. I love the 300 lb RB even more they have.

steel man
12-30-2006, 11:19 PM
has any of you guys seen Cory Jackson - FB/RB play, he is a beast. as the saying goes "he's a man among boys", to bad he is only a freshman or he WOULD solve our power running game. i watched him play in high school also and he blew it up. the only bad thing he has done was left his home state of WV(and is from the city of morgantown also) and went to Maryland.

Tell me if you guys think this may happen and if it would be a good thing to do:

'07' draft Brian Leonard - this year he is to good to pass up power + speed
'07' draft or pick up as a UDFA Jackie Battle - is a good player and could be a steal
'08' draft Owen Schmitt - could be the replacement for Dan Kreider
'09' draft Cory Jackson - will be the next great power back to come


also i was wanting to know what you guys think of all of these QB's and rank them with the best being 1) then rank them in order of the one that would fit our team the best also which ones do you think we could(put 1 * beside name) and which ones do you think we will land(put 2 * beside name)

1) Kevin Kolb
2) Colt Brennan (if he comes out) i think is the beat of all of these guys
3) Jared Zabransky
4) Jordan Palmer (another brother vs bother and the younger brother is not as good once again, but that would still be funny to have him on our team)
5) Jason Beck
6) Drew Tate


With Those Guys..

Kevin Kolb1
John Beck 1/2
Colt Brennan1
jordan Palmer
Drew Tate.

I want Beck the most.


As for RBs... Jackie Battle is too slow to be a RB in the NFL and will likely be a FB.. Cory Jackson is Alright but I think Tony Hunt is going to solve our Power RB issues.

As for FB? I can see us grabbing a guy like Owen Schmidt or just grabbing a UDFA.

I'm fond of Drafting Tony Hunt, PSU RB and Signing Nate Ilaoa RB/FB from Hawaii.. He's a tad Slower Version of Jones-Drew but he's 5'9 250lbs and he's a bowling ball.. he'd give us an option if anyone gets hurt, but he'd be an awesome fullback... The strength and Size to get under defenders and blow them out. Imagine a 5'9 guy with good amount of muscle just coming up full speed and running into you,... that much power & Speed that low... would beat a 6' 270 lb FB blocking you 1-2 inches higher.


He'll get UNDER the defenders and block... Alas with that Said as much as I love the idea i doubt it happens..

Mr Stiller, u gotta quit acting like we already have Tony Hunt. Don't get me wrong, I'm big on drafting him, but you are dismissing other ideas because Hunt is the one. U gotta realize there's a chance of us not drafting him.

I love Owen Schmidt. Steel man, U mention one guy is from Morgantown and then Schmidt. U a WVU guy? I'm an alum. And i love Schmidt for the Steelers as Kreider's replacement. He's a huge, strong dude and a pure blocker, with a little more running skills. But i love the traditional blocking FB and Schmidt fits the bill.

I love Hawaii players. I agree with saying they'd love to draft Ilaoa just cuz he makes you laugh. I love the 300 lb RB even more they have.

YES I AM a WVU guy and PROUD of it

i love seeing our own WV guys do good and make it big so i might be a homer but who isn't

However i do think and love Owen, i think he would be perfect and i know that he loves the steelers and he would love to stay close. i would love for us to get Slaton also but he will prob. go to high or go in a round to early for us to spend a pick because of us having willie.

I love Big Ben and like seeing him get TD's and passing yards, but think about it if we had
"Fast" Willie Parker and Steve Slaton as our two speed backs and
Brian Leonard and either Hunt,Wynn, or most of all i like the kid out of Hawaii - Nate Ilaoa as our power backs
Kreider next year and Owen Schmitt there after for our FB.
to me that would be a perfect backfield.

once again YES I AM a WVU guy and loving it.

DeathbyStat
12-31-2006, 05:47 AM
Oline and DB are certaintly are most glaring weaknesses, but we have young players at both places I see them just taking the best player available at the time.

I see it being Dwayne Jarrett or Patrick Willis.

DeathbyStat
12-31-2006, 05:54 AM
Watch this....on Mcfadden none the less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVaa8NWqync

Mr. Stiller
12-31-2006, 07:29 AM
Oline and DB are certaintly are most glaring weaknesses, but we have young players at both places I see them just taking the best player available at the time.

I see it being Dwayne Jarrett or Patrick Willis.

I wouldn't say they're our most glaring weaknesses. This is the same Oline that paved way to a Superbowl... and we have such a young secondary that frankly... I'm sold at Corner.. we may not have a superstar, but we have 4 guys that will bust their ass. I can't see taking a corner unless a guy falls ... and is a ridiculously good BPA.

To draft a guy early... when we already have 2 young starters, a veteran Nickel, and we have Ryan Clark, Tyrone Carter, Anthony Madison and Ricardo Colclough to play dime. I'm sure if one of those guys can't do we'll sign someone in FA or draft late.. Marquice Cole is an option as a corner/return man.

Mr. Stiller
12-31-2006, 08:45 AM
Trade from 15 to late mid 20's for additional 3rd/4th

1) Joe Staley, OT, CMU

The only LT out of the crop besides Joe Thomas. Gives us a guy who will bolster down the line once he bulks up a tad.

2) Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee

Depending on who declares we could be really lucky and land him.. he's a future #1 and a ok blocker. But has elite speed, great hands and solid size.

3a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri

Elite Pass Rusher that would have been a workout warrior and would have gone much higher if not for an injured hip that killed his season.

3b) Tony Hunt, RB, PSU

A Solid Short yardage guy. Came to PSU as a WR so he is definitely a good hands guy. I think with him and Najeh we could use some more 3 WR, 2RB Sets. Big guy and could be a solid blocker.

4a) Desmond Bishop, MLB, California

Guy Reminds me of a combo of Ray Lewis and James Farrior. Smarts and size of Farrior with Ray Lewis Aggression and Ballhawk style of play. Is always around the ball.

4b) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

Solid Blocker, did well in his bowl game clearing way for james davis and CJ Spiller.

4c) Dwight Lowery, CB, SJSU

I don't know if he comes out.. Hopefully he does and we get him because of the "Weak competition/Raw tag". Lowery's style is the exact same way we run our corners. He always gave a 5-10 yard cushion. He's a smarth player. He knows when he can jump a route, or when to make the tackle.. He's decent in Run support, but thats ok because we have Anthony and Troy. start as Nickel/Dime and I think he'll be a solid player for us.

5a) John Beck, QB, BYU

We didn't give Omar enough time to develop last year. We get Beck who should be able to pick things up a lot quicker. Stronger arm, although I haven't seen many Qb's as Accurate as Omar.. man I wish we gave him another shot.

5b) Antonio Johnson, 34DE, Mississippi State

This ones for TerribleEd. He seems like a very solid guy. He doesn't have a great statline, but i'm thinking he's basically the middle eater in his 4-3. So moving him to DE in a 3-4... If he can constantly demand Double teams... I'm sold.. If not I may look for Ryan McBean at 4c... bumping Beck/Williams a slot down.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

A TE that would make you think he's just a lighter tackle. Solid hands for receiving. 6'4 270Lbs. He'll be a good blocking TE and move Jerame Tuman out.

7) Nick Roach, OLB, Northwestern.

Roach will give us a solid Special teams presence. Also this way if we do need a natural OLB for Coverage, we have him. we get a DE convert that will be a pass rusher, but a young talent in Roach that will start probably on the PS, possibly make the ST unit and then possibly see some coverage downs because frankly Haggans isn't good in coverage... and when it comes time for Harrison and company to move on/retire... we have 2 solid OLB's now, plu s whomever we add next year.




Future Watch:

Aaron Smith possibly leaving next year means... Virginia's own 3-4 DE CHRIS LONG!
If they decide they want another tackle the following year 2k8 (Marvel is a FA..) We could go after Jared Gaither.
Or the Year after... Michael Oher.

Mr. Stiller
12-31-2006, 10:10 AM
Another twist.

Trade our 1st and 4th for a 2nd/3rd and future 1st.


2a) Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee

Depending on who declares we could be really lucky and land him.. he's a future #1 and a ok blocker. But has elite speed, great hands and solid size.

2b) Desmond Bishop, MLB, California

Guy Reminds me of a combo of Ray Lewis and James Farrior. Smarts and size of Farrior with Ray Lewis Aggression and Ballhawk style of play. Is always around the ball.

2b) Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee

Depending on who declares we could be really lucky and land him.. he's a future #1 and a ok blocker. But has elite speed, great hands and solid size.

3a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri

Elite Pass Rusher that would have been a workout warrior and would have gone much higher if not for an injured hip that killed his season.

3b) Tony Hunt, RB, PSU

A Solid Short yardage guy. Came to PSU as a WR so he is definitely a good hands guy. I think with him and Najeh we could use some more 3 WR, 2RB Sets. Big guy and could be a solid blocker.

4) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

Solid Blocker, did well in his bowl game clearing way for james davis and CJ Spiller.

5a) John Beck, QB, BYU

We didn't give Omar enough time to develop last year. We get Beck who should be able to pick things up a lot quicker. Stronger arm, although I haven't seen many Qb's as Accurate as Omar.. man I wish we gave him another shot.

5b) Antonio Johnson, 34DE, Mississippi State

This ones for TerribleEd. He seems like a very solid guy. He doesn't have a great statline, but i'm thinking he's basically the middle eater in his 4-3. So moving him to DE in a 3-4... If he can constantly demand Double teams... I'm sold.. If not I may look for Ryan McBean at 4c... bumping Beck/Williams a slot down.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

A TE that would make you think he's just a lighter tackle. Solid hands for receiving. 6'4 270Lbs. He'll be a good blocking TE and move Jerame Tuman out.

7) Nick Roach, OLB, Northwestern.

Roach will give us a solid Special teams presence. Also this way if we do need a natural OLB for Coverage, we have him. we get a DE convert that will be a pass rusher, but a young talent in Roach that will start probably on the PS, possibly make the ST unit and then possibly see some coverage downs because frankly Haggans isn't good in coverage... and when it comes time for Harrison and company to move on/retire... we have 2 solid OLB's now, plu s whomever we add next year.

mikehop05
12-31-2006, 03:55 PM
i think after the combine tony hunt will be a second round pick...

i think he will run in the 4.5 - 4.65 range and being as he is a power back many will be impressed, combined with the fact that this is a pretty weak draft class for backs outside of round 1

with that said i can see leonard sneaking into the first also, maybe early second

what does everyone think of michael bush?

skarocksoi
12-31-2006, 04:40 PM
Didn't get to see the game today, other than little bits and the very very end, but I'm glad we pulled it out. We finally got to see the emotion at the end of that game that we've lacked this entire year. Hopefully we use this win going into the offseason to build onto next year.

skarocksoi
12-31-2006, 04:44 PM
i think after the combine tony hunt will be a second round pick...

i think he will run in the 4.5 - 4.65 range and being as he is a power back many will be impressed, combined with the fact that this is a pretty weak draft class for backs outside of round 1

with that said i can see leonard sneaking into the first also, maybe early second

what does everyone think of michael bush?

I think if you look at Hunts whole body of work, and if he does well in the bowl game tomorrow, I can see him going in the second, but his timed speed wont be that great, which can drop him. He doesn't really have the breakaway speed to pull past defenders, but he is a monster inbetween the tackles.

Smooth Criminal
12-31-2006, 05:27 PM
I'd rather have Leonard than Hunt. With how much they're using Krieder in the passing game latley it makes more sense to have a playmaker there. Plus the idea of having Parker and Leonard both on the field at the same time is better than taking Hunt and just having him for a power back role. Plus I don't think Hunt makes sense when we'll likely sign back Najeh. With Haynes being the guy we most likely let go of we need a guy to be our #3 runner and backup fullback and thats Leonard.

mikehop05
12-31-2006, 07:41 PM
happy new years...

everyone go get trashed

richdg
12-31-2006, 07:58 PM
Nice win today. A little to late, but a nice win none the less. For some of you, you don't fully grasp what is happening. We are in the process of getting ready to chance coaches. I'm 37. There have been 2 Steeler coaches in my lifetime. Noll and Cowher. Tom. begins a new era. No I don't have some inside info, just the fact that is starring all of us in the face. Cowher is leaving. He is burned out. He needs time to recharge the batteries. Looking back, it has been a great 15 years. Multiple winning seasons, many trips to the playoffs, 2 trips to the Super Bowl. Very few coaches can say they have done anything close to what Cowher has done. All of this, while maintaining his class, and doing things the right way. When someone got into trouble, they were gone. Never once did Cowher ever shop himself to other teams. He is, was, and will always be a STEELER. He is the living description of what Steeler football is all about. Tough, hardnosed, determinded, but never cheap. Yes the Steelers beat you up, when they played you. But it was never because of cheap shots or dirty play. For the most part, the players were gentlmen off the feild, and tough SOB's on it. The time has come. A new chapter in Steeler football is about to begin. But let me say, Thanks Bill. Thanks for all the memories. Thanks for doing it the right way. Thanks for being a good example to all the fans. Thanks for all the class. I wish you all the best, and enjoy the down time.

richdg
12-31-2006, 08:41 PM
Now that I am done acting like a little girl, let's talk something more serious. Ok, Cowher is leaving. We need to find a new coach, and we need to protect ourselves. First the protect ourselves. Cowher is a great coach. We don't need him to come back for another team in 2-3 years. yes, he will coach again, it is just a matter of when, what level, and who for. I am not sure he will come back to the NFL. He has been there, and done that. But, money talks. So, I would hire him as a scout. Sign him to a 5 year scouting contract to watch all the players in Virgina, WV, NC, and SC. Gives him the time off he wants, and keeps him our property. This way, if some other team wants to hire him, they have to "trade" for him. Thus protecting ourselves.
On to new coaches. Yes, everyone knows about Grimm and Whiz. Of teh 2, I prefer Grimm. However we hire needs to understand what the Steelers are. A tough physical team. Defense and the running game are the keys to victory. We are a northern team, that plays on grass, that prides itself in being tough. We are not a good option for the spread offense, or some other trendy gimick. It doesn't amtter if we run a 3-4 or a 4-3. Both D's work. Same for the O. it doesn't matter if we are a trapping team or a zone team. Either one works.
So, before we do any more mock drafts, let's find out who is coaching. Then we can judge what direction to go.
as we go forward, we are begining a new 5 year plan. each player currently on the team will be judged based on that. Will they be hire for 5 years? can they develop? Do they fit the new styles, if any.
Anyway you look at it, it will be fun.

Bababooey
12-31-2006, 09:55 PM
15th is where we're picking.

Willie Colon looked great today, he's an intense guy. Max Starks? Hopefully he'll be tendered and somebody bites on a pick for him.

As for our needs..

We'll see how the Draft unfolds, I can very well seeing Colbert go up into the top 10 to get a guy that may have slipped on Draft day.

We need impact defensive players, and a revamped OL. Nothing can really be determined until we see who are new coach is. I'll be very unhappy if we take a CB in the 1st, which I doubt we will. Taylor and McFadden are fine, it's not our glaring need. We NEED a pass rush. No sacks yet again today. If I see a mock draft with McCauley or Revis, i'll cut their throat! I want to hear the names Woodley, Willis, Adams, Spencer.

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2007, 11:46 AM
I really hope we get Whis as the head coach. I like him as the OC and I don't want him to get a head coaching job other than with us. I think he will have a head coaching job this offseason whether it be with us or not. Plus if we kept Whis we would most likely keep most of the staff the same. LeBeau would be kept around and so would the 3-4. Whis could keep control of the play calling if he wanted to.

For us to be a competitive team next year I think it is best to have the least change possible. Keeping Whis and Lebeau here would be great because both our offense and our defense would keep the same scemes. Players who get neww head coaches always say its hard to learn a new system. I think its best to keep the same system and just expand on it.

mikehop05
01-01-2007, 12:05 PM
i agree smooth...

but i think anyone they promote from within will do the trick, unless wiz leaves if he doesnt get the HC spot...

on another note, we pick 16th, coulda been 10th but im glad we won regardless

lots of players to watch today... no first rounders i dont think... unless jarrett is a possibility for some...

right now hunt is looking goood agasint a decent tenn defense... brown is playing okay too as is puz

later on today i really want to see woodley, harris, and even still... long (you never know)and usc's center kalil

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2007, 01:17 PM
i agree smooth...

but i think anyone they promote from within will do the trick, unless wiz leaves if he doesnt get the HC spot...

on another note, we pick 16th, coulda been 10th but im glad we won regardless

lots of players to watch today... no first rounders i dont think... unless jarrett is a possibility for some...

right now hunt is looking goood agasint a decent tenn defense... brown is playing okay too as is puz

later on today i really want to see woodley, harris, and even still... long (you never know)and usc's center kalil

I can't see Whis staying if he isn't given the head coaching job. He knows that Steelers coaches stay around a long time and he could get a HC job elsewhere. I don't think he'd stay here if we over look him for the HC job.

I've said before that I don't think Poz is big enough to play 3-4 but he's done a great job today. I think he'd be fine in the middle but I'd rather get and outside rusher.

mikehop05
01-01-2007, 01:24 PM
same, thats where we need help

how bout tony hunt? him and levi brown have been damn good this game

skarocksoi
01-01-2007, 01:49 PM
If you've never seen Tony Hunt play before, hopefully you caught the bowl game today (I know it was kind of early) and saw him run all over Tennesse throughout most of the game and especially late in the game. I just love that kid and I think he might have moved his way up into the second round with that game.

On another note, I believe the espn scroller just said Mora was fired, and there were rumors that Atlanta wanted Wis, so I wouldn't be surprised for some competition to pick him up as a head coach between the two of us. Plus, Denny Green is gone too, and I'm sure they'd like a good offensive coach to handle all of the stars they have on offense.

Anyways, I'm pretty pumped about the PSU win, so I'm gonna go celebrate that. Go Penn State!

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Cowher needs to announce his plans. With teams firing head coaches Whis will likely get an offer sooner than later.

Hunt looked very good today but I don't think we could get him with our 2nd at this point. I can see him slipping into the end of the first round or early 2nd round.

Levi Brown looked good. I wouldn't mind taking him since Smith will be let go when his contract runs out because of his inconsistant play and his high price.

mikehop05
01-01-2007, 02:09 PM
i think hunt will be there for our second... but yeah mora was fired, green was fired, im sure shell will be fired... and im sure all 3 places will want to pick up wiz...

i dont think we should give him a crazy contract, if grimm will do the job for cheaper hire him as the HC, its not like the coach needs to come in and work wonders... we have the talent we just need to right motivation and someone to bring it all together

THav916
01-01-2007, 02:23 PM
Tony Hunt looked great today. Typical game for him really. And I'm huge on adding Hunt. I absolutely love a backfield of Parker, Hunt, and Najeh. I disagree with whoever said Hunt and Najeh are the same. I think that's a complete misconception. I actually think Leonard is more like Najeh, although Leonard can play some fullback. But, here's where it all changes.........I don't think I like the idea of drafting Hunt in the 2nd round. Willie Parker does a fantastic job. Najeh has done nothing but good things. I think Hunt is icing on the cake and would combine to form an outstanding trio. But i just don't think it's a big enough need to draft a RB in the 2nd round. OLB and LT are my top two priorities. I guess with that said, if another position is best value in round 2, we could afford to take a guy like Hunt, and then still have 5-7 more picks.

mikehop05
01-01-2007, 02:51 PM
do we pick 15 or 16?

scott has us at 16 and espn.com has us at 15

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2007, 03:07 PM
I've seen 15 on several sites. I think thats the real spot.

skarocksoi
01-01-2007, 03:20 PM
Tony Hunt looked great today. Typical game for him really. And I'm huge on adding Hunt. I absolutely love a backfield of Parker, Hunt, and Najeh. I disagree with whoever said Hunt and Najeh are the same. I think that's a complete misconception. I actually think Leonard is more like Najeh, although Leonard can play some fullback. But, here's where it all changes.........I don't think I like the idea of drafting Hunt in the 2nd round. Willie Parker does a fantastic job. Najeh has done nothing but good things. I think Hunt is icing on the cake and would combine to form an outstanding trio. But i just don't think it's a big enough need to draft a RB in the 2nd round. OLB and LT are my top two priorities. I guess with that said, if another position is best value in round 2, we could afford to take a guy like Hunt, and then still have 5-7 more picks.

I agree that a tackle and OLB are the biggest needs we should adress in this draft, but we also have to look at who will be available and when. If we could pick up a good OLB in the 3rd and Hunt in the second, I dont have a problem with it. If we have to choose between the two, I would say go for the linebacker because thats more important. We don't really know who is going to be taken where as of yet, and probably wont know until after the combine. If we could pick up Hunt in the second and Brian Smith in the 3rd, that would be fine by me.

THav916
01-01-2007, 03:36 PM
Tony Hunt looked great today. Typical game for him really. And I'm huge on adding Hunt. I absolutely love a backfield of Parker, Hunt, and Najeh. I disagree with whoever said Hunt and Najeh are the same. I think that's a complete misconception. I actually think Leonard is more like Najeh, although Leonard can play some fullback. But, here's where it all changes.........I don't think I like the idea of drafting Hunt in the 2nd round. Willie Parker does a fantastic job. Najeh has done nothing but good things. I think Hunt is icing on the cake and would combine to form an outstanding trio. But i just don't think it's a big enough need to draft a RB in the 2nd round. OLB and LT are my top two priorities. I guess with that said, if another position is best value in round 2, we could afford to take a guy like Hunt, and then still have 5-7 more picks.

I agree that a tackle and OLB are the biggest needs we should adress in this draft, but we also have to look at who will be available and when. If we could pick up a good OLB in the 3rd and Hunt in the second, I dont have a problem with it. If we have to choose between the two, I would say go for the linebacker because thats more important. We don't really know who is going to be taken where as of yet, and probably wont know until after the combine. If we could pick up Hunt in the second and Brian Smith in the 3rd, that would be fine by me.

U know what, i agree, and i started to realize that mid-post. Even though I don't think RB is a big enough need for the 2nd round, if it's our best option at the time, and we could put the RB position over the edge, and then have rounds 3-7 to fill other needs, I'm actually not against it either. So, i agree, Hunt's not my first choice in the 2nd round, but he's definitely one of my options.

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2007, 07:27 PM
Dwayne Jarrett's stock rose out of our range after that game. He was amazing.

David Harris and Lamaar Woodley both looked very good. I watched this game to see them and Jarrett but two guys I was impressed with were Oscar Lua and Dallas Sartz. Both of them made plays and were in the backfield alot. Laurence Jackson looked great aswell but he's not coming out.

At OL, Jake Long looked bad today. People were running around him and he got knocked over several times today. The USC center looked good as did Sam Baker. Hell the entire USC line looked very good all day keeping the Michigan defense out of the backfield.

mikehop05
01-01-2007, 07:55 PM
yeah i agree...

although looking at who picks before us, jarrett may be there at 15... but i dont think we should grab him, honestly at 15 i think we should trade out of the first round and see if we cant get two more second rounders... depending on who has what picks when the day comes...

Smooth Criminal
01-01-2007, 08:31 PM
If we could get 2 2nd rounder for our first round that'd be fine with me.

Unless we can get Jarrett. If Jarrett is there when we pick we have to take him. He makes amazing catches every game and would give us a great pair of recievers for the future.

Plus I don't think there are any linebackers or lineman worth the 15th overall pick this year.

Ward, Holmes, Jarrett, Wilson, Washington, Reid would be an awesome recieving core.

But again we really don't know how we will go in the draft until we find out who the head coach will be.

mikehop05
01-01-2007, 08:49 PM
it was kind of funny, in an interview joey porter said " "I didn't cry. I almost did, but I didn't," linebacker Joey Porter said. "Yeah, it was emotional because that's my guy."

lol whata big teddy bear

THav916
01-01-2007, 09:23 PM
If we could get 2 2nd rounder for our first round that'd be fine with me.

Unless we can get Jarrett. If Jarrett is there when we pick we have to take him. He makes amazing catches every game and would give us a great pair of recievers for the future.

Plus I don't think there are any linebackers or lineman worth the 15th overall pick this year.

Ward, Holmes, Jarrett, Wilson, Washington, Reid would be an awesome recieving core.

But again we really don't know how we will go in the draft until we find out who the head coach will be.

Jarrett would definitely get a long look if I was in charge. I agree with where he seemed to be comin from. It's nice our biggest need, but if there's not an OLB or LT worthy, and we don't trade, we're looking at taking another position. An ILB like Willis would certainly come to mind, but other than that, a guy as good as Jarrett would have to get serious consideration. He'd be a perfect compliment, and i agree those 6 WR's would be spectacular. Ward is getting older and Wilson might not be here for more than another year or two, so this would certainly solidify the position into the future. Plus, I'm still all for adding as many weapons around Roethlisberger as we can. Parker, Holmes, Jarrett, and Heath. Amazing young talented game breakers.

skarocksoi
01-01-2007, 10:25 PM
I've heard a lot of Vikings fans clamoring for Jarrett since he is a prototypical west coast offense reciever, so he might not fall beyond them. With tonights performance, he just added a cool couple mil to his contract and moved himself into the top 15 in my opinion. If he falls, I think he would be a great pickup, but I'm all for trading down in the first and picking up more later on. I think we need to pick up guys who can challenge our guys in training camp this year, and with a new coach, that will definitely happen.

TerribleEd
01-01-2007, 10:32 PM
Junior DE, Charles Johnson, of Georgia has declared for the draft. He would be a good 3-4 OLB candidate.

Mr. Stiller
01-01-2007, 11:16 PM
Junior DE, Charles Johnson, of Georgia has declared for the draft. He would be a good 3-4 OLB candidate.

I just saw this and was going to post this.

He certainly outshined Moses this year... but How was moses' Jr. season compared to Johnsons?

THav916
01-02-2007, 12:06 AM
Junior DE, Charles Johnson, of Georgia has declared for the draft. He would be a good 3-4 OLB candidate.

I just saw this and was going to post this.

He certainly outshined Moses this year... but How was moses' Jr. season compared to Johnsons?

Beyond their seasons i think it comes down to size, speed, agility, etc. In terms of how it impacts us at least and their ability to play the OLB in the 3-4. Johnson is listed at 6'2 270. Seems like more of a DE only prospect, whereas Moses looks stronger at the DE, but good workouts could propell him as a 3-4 OLB.

I also agree with the previous post that Jarrett might not even be around at 15. I was posting before just kinda in terms of if he's around and we don't trade our pick. Now that we pick 15, I really think it gives us flexibility in terms of moving up or down if we want. I was worried about drafting 19 or 20, that we wouldn't be able to trade up very high if we wanted. Now, at 15, I think, if we wanted, to trade up anywhere as high as 6th. The reason I say this, is cuz I absolutely love Gaines Adams, and it looks like he could go in the 6-10 range, which would be very possible to trade if the Steelers liked him as much as I do.

mikehop05
01-02-2007, 11:35 AM
i agree that gaines adams is a great porspect, however, i do not see the steelers making a trade for him when they have some depth issues to addresse...

i would rather see them trade down and accumulate another second and maybe third with a late first

Smooth Criminal
01-02-2007, 05:38 PM
A trade up for Adams would cost way to much to actually happen. The highest I could see us trading up for someone would be up to 11 or 12.

Contrary to what most Vikings fans will tell you, they probably won't take Jarrett. I've read Darren Sharper will be let go and the team will need a new S to take over. With the two best safties on the board still it'll be hard for them to resist Landry or Nelson.

Most likely places for Jarrett to go are Minnesota and Buffalo though. I can see us trading up over top of Buffalo to get him.

Smooth Criminal
01-02-2007, 05:40 PM
As to the new HC, Whisenhunt is in talks with Atlanta and Arizona already. Any other team that has a HC opening will probably look at him aswell. The chances of us keeping him don't look very good as the jobs with great offenses in Arizona and Atlanta have to be enticing to an OC.

One guy I've heard mentioned is the Bears DC Ron Rivera. He's 44 years old and he's the coordinator of one of the best defenses in the league. I think he'd be a great HC for our team.

richdg
01-02-2007, 05:59 PM
Rivera would be a good choice. I hope they do this already, before all the top options are gone. I don't think we will let Whiz and Grimm interveiw anywhere untill we make our choice. That would be stupid.

skarocksoi
01-02-2007, 06:53 PM
Rivera would be a good coach, but he ran a 4-3 defense in Chicago, so would he want to switch it over or would he leave it up to LeBeau?

Smooth, I didn't know that about the Vikes, so that could leave Jarrett to drop to us, which is great.

Ace
01-02-2007, 06:59 PM
Do you guys think that Whisenhunt or Grimm will make a good NFL coach? Personally, I like Whisenhunt to come to Miami.

mikehop05
01-02-2007, 08:44 PM
i dont think whisenhunt will be that great on a team other than the steelers as a head coach... much like mike malarkey...i think grimm would make the better HC...

on another note...

if these players are there at 15 who would we take?

Patrick Willis
Dwaynne Jarrett
Joe Staley
Quentein Moses
Lawrence Timmons
Levi Brown
Paul Posluszny
Quinn Pitcock

These all may or may not be there come draft time, some may even be reaches at this spot but a lot can change bewteen now and then as always, but as of right now they seem to fall in the 10 - 20 range. If we do not trade our pick, who would you rank in order of who you want to grab at that spot? Mine is in order.

Mr. Stiller
01-02-2007, 09:02 PM
i dont think whisenhunt will be that great on a team other than the steelers as a head coach... much like mike malarkey...i think grimm would make the better HC...

on another note...

if these players are there at 15 who would we take?

Patrick Willis
Dwaynne Jarrett
Joe Staley
Quentein Moses
Lawrence Timmons
Levi Brown
Paul Posluszny
Quinn Pitcock

These all may or may not be there come draft time, some may even be reaches at this spot but a lot can change bewteen now and then as always, but as of right now they seem to fall in the 10 - 20 range. If we do not trade our pick, who would you rank in order of who you want to grab at that spot? Mine is in order.

desmond bishop

Smooth Criminal
01-02-2007, 09:09 PM
Rivera would be a good choice. I hope they do this already, before all the top options are gone. I don't think we will let Whiz and Grimm interveiw anywhere untill we make our choice. That would be stupid.

Mark Madden said Whis has been given permission to talk to Atlanta and Arizona and Grimm has been given permission to talk to Arizona.

I woudln't be to worried about Rivera wanting to switch to a 4-3. He might want to and he might eventually but with the players we have now I think its obivous we're better off in a 3-4.

Smooth Criminal
01-02-2007, 09:11 PM
Do you guys think that Whisenhunt or Grimm will make a good NFL coach? Personally, I like Whisenhunt to come to Miami.

I really like Whisenhunt. I think he is a great play caller and I have heard some of the players say great things about him. I think he's going to be a great HC for whatever team gets him esspecially if they have alot of offensive firepower for him to work with.

mikehop05
01-02-2007, 09:14 PM
stiller you think he'd be a good pick at 15 over all those guys?

TerribleEd
01-02-2007, 09:42 PM
Is Desmond Bishop shooting up the draft boards so much that you think he's first round material? I agree he's probably going to go day one, but first round?

You like him better than Butkis Award winner, Patrick Willis?

Sgt Pepper
01-02-2007, 11:48 PM
The best situation for the Steelers HC position is that Cowher sticks around. Assuming this doesn't happen the best two options would be Whisenhunt or Ron Rivera.

They both seem to fit the profile for an incoming HC that the Rooney's would like to hire. Both of them are young, come from successful coaching backgrounds, and seem to have the respect of the players.

Whisenhunt would be an excellent choice in the sense that he has worked with Roethlisberger his whole career. He knows the players and is familiar with the system that has been so successful for the Steelers.

Rivera would also be an excellent choice because he has been successful everywhere he went. He was the Linebackers coach for the Philadelphia Eagles during their run to 3 consecutive NFC championship appearences. From there he went on to be the DC for the Bears which has been one of the top defences in the league during his time there. He was also successful as a player as he won a Superbowl with the Bears.

Personally I think Rivera is the better fit for the Steelers. Should he be given an opportunity I think he would take it. A young, defence minded coach would be perfect for the Steelers and could be around for a long time.

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2007, 12:11 AM
Is Desmond Bishop shooting up the draft boards so much that you think he's first round material? I agree he's probably going to go day one, but first round?

You like him better than Butkis Award winner, Patrick Willis?


I think he's going to be the next Ware, if not.. He reminds me of James Farrior ... Just faster, with big hits... but he always wraps up.

mikehop05
01-03-2007, 08:59 AM
stiller i love the avatar by the way

but i disagree about bishop... for now, maybe after the combine / pro day it'll be different, but right now i would rather take willis or moses if they are available over than bishop.

diabsoule
01-03-2007, 09:11 AM
I love Desmond Bishop. I have already developed a man crush on him.

mikehop05
01-03-2007, 09:25 AM
hahah id love to see more of him at his pro day / combine

Sgt Pepper
01-03-2007, 10:18 AM
Best available coaches for next season:

1. Bill Cowher

2. Ron Rivera
-young, successful defensive coach

3. Ken Whisenhunt
-familiar with players and system/highly respected around league

4. Kirk Ferentz (Iowa HC)
-from Pittsburgh, very successful in college, has pro experience

5. Russ Grimm
-familiar with players and system

diabsoule
01-03-2007, 10:53 AM
I would hope we get Ron Rivera. He's the type of guy that the Steelers organization would like. He's young, he's been successful in any coaching position he's been in, and he's defensive minded. I hope we get him. I don't think we'd skip a beat if we landed someone with as much potential as he does.

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2007, 10:55 AM
stiller i love the avatar by the way

but i disagree about bishop... for now, maybe after the combine / pro day it'll be different, but right now i would rather take willis or moses if they are available over than bishop.

Well I think he'll fall to round 2 with HB Blades, Buster Davis, P Willie and Poz... not to mention Harris Warren and a few others..

But Moses rd 1, Bishop Round 2 and trade up again for Hunt.


Heee Yeahhhhhhh!

azazaz7
01-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Back to new head coach talk for a second.

I think the Steelers need a QB friendly coach. With the last three 1st round draft picks being on offense (Miller, Holmes, Roethlisberger) it could be an offensive coach who takes the reigns. I don't know who's out there who fits the mold but the Steelers could do worse than talk to Cam Cameron (Chargers). Steve Fairchild (Bills), Josh McDaniels (Patriots) and Brian Schottenheimer (Jets) aren't too high on many people's head coaching wishlists (then again neither was Bill Cowher) but all have excellent credentials.

Fairchild was the Rams OC for 3 or 4 years and did a great job there (albeit Mike Martz took the credit). He has done the impossible and made JP Losman look like a promising QB after two awful seasons. Lee Evans has flourished under Fairchilds guidance.

McDaniels is extremely young (he's only 31) but he has done a very nice job replacing Charlie Weis as Pats OC since 2004. He doubles up as Tom Brady's QB coach. He also has experience on the defensive side of the football having been charged with the task of scouting opponents on film. No doubt some of Belichicks magic has rubbed off on him.

Brian Schottenheimer is probably my favorite candidate from left field. He has tons of experience coaching in the NFL despite his tender years (he's just 33 or 34). He coached under Pete Carroll at USC, turned Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees into star QBs during his tenure as Chargers QB coach and has helped revitalise Chad Pennington (which could have implications for our own starting QB) despite a lack of offensive talent with the Jets. He was also a WR coach at Syracuse so he isn't just a QB guy. He's coaching a team who play the 3-4 and will understand the Steelers "pound the football" philosophy due to his father. Seeing as the Steelers love to give their coaches plenty of time, Schottenheimer is young enough, and talented enough, to keep the job for as long as he wants. Why not take a chance on another guy from the Schottenheimer coaching (and family) tree when the last one didn't do too badly for us?

diabsoule
01-03-2007, 02:20 PM
Great write-up on all of those coaches but I would personally love to see them hire Ron Rivera. I think he'd be the best candidate for the Steelers job.

Smooth Criminal
01-03-2007, 02:44 PM
Saban accepted the job at Alabama so Miami is now another team in the picture for a new HC.

One thing that you didn't point out about Schottenheimer is that he is also a native of Pittsburgh. He graduated from Fort Cherry High School.

azazaz7
01-03-2007, 03:32 PM
Saban accepted the job at Alabama so Miami is now another team in the picture for a new HC.

One thing that you didn't point out about Schottenheimer is that he is also a native of Pittsburgh. He graduated from Fort Cherry High School.
I didn't realise that. A hometown candidate makes him even better!

Great write-up on all of those coaches but I would personally love to see them hire Ron Rivera. I think he'd be the best candidate for the Steelers job.
Thanks. I like Ron Rivera, Rex Ryan and Mike Singletary as poetential head coaches but something tells me that the Rooneys will choose a candidate not currently on our radar. I just hope they don't take a college coach -- perhaps Ferentz would be okay but I dislike most college coaches because it's hard to tell if they're talented coaches or are just coaching talented players. There's a big difference there in my opinion. College coaches also tend to come with bigger egos (Steve Spurrier, Butch Davis, Nick Saban to name three recent examples) because they call all the shots. In the NFL, they have to share responsibilities.

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2007, 03:35 PM
I know this may anger some of you but follow me.

1) Lawrence Timmons, DE/OLB, Florida State
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fsu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/495059.jpeg
Timmons has already seen time at 3-4 OLB and has amazing potential. Fast guy with awesome intangibles. Could be our Kamerion Wimbley this year. A year behind Porter letting him see some time and letting Porter tutor him won't be bad. I think he would upgrade our LB core. Let us lose Chad Brown, and Arnold Harrison... James Harrison and Timmons is a monstrous backup group.

2) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fsu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/495059.jpeg
Tony Hunt gives us a solid backup and may only be a 100 carry guy and get only 500-600 yards, but the 10 TD's on the goaline and his recieving will be a plus.

3) Desmond Bishop, MLB, California
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/297663.jpeg
A tad raw still but very athletic, fast and smart. Big Hitter, but a sure tackler... reads plays well but improvement can be made... James Farrior 2.0

4a) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg
An athletic Gaurd thats solid in run blocking. He blocked for both Power and speed, so having him to block in the future for Hunt/Parker.

4b) Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2005-09/19523109.jpg
Heres our Tall WR for the ones that want him. He'll need to bulk up. But he's got Reliable hands, but only falls because of the lack of use at WVU.

5a) John Beck, QB, BYU
http://www.byucougars.com/football/images/a-Beck_John-2005B.jpg
Great leader, big heart and solid arm strength. Played against weak competiton and he will give us a great backup.

5b) Stephen Heyer, OT, Maryland
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/md/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/214220.jpeg
Big Road grader that will give us depth.

6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg
Solid #2 Te. Great blocker, but not a slouch recieving either.

7) Antonio Johnson, DE, Mississippi State
http://www.genespage.com/images/01practices/football/2006/june05/10-calvinwilson.jpg

Man_Of_Steel
01-03-2007, 04:04 PM
Hey guys, from what ive seen most people are crazy over Tony Hunt. What about Michael Bush, a perfect fit along side Parker, hes a first round talent thats slid to the 2nd round. A big 6'3 250 pound guy who knocks heads around, cmon guys thats a Steelers running back.

TerribleEd
01-03-2007, 05:59 PM
I wouldnt be disappointed one bit if they picked Michael Bush in the second round. Granted, I prefer Brian Leonard, but I wont have any problem if they choose Bush instead.

That being said, I'm not so sure the Steelers will be taking a back as early as people seem to think.

skarocksoi
01-03-2007, 06:42 PM
I didnt get to see a lot of the last two games, so how did Willie Colon do in them? Do you guys think he could eventually take over for Starks or is he just a career backup? If he could eventually take over, then Stillers draft seems pretty reasonable. Another tackle to compete with the rest of the guys in training camp is always a good thing.

mikehop05
01-03-2007, 06:45 PM
Hey guys, from what ive seen most people are crazy over Tony Hunt. What about Michael Bush, a perfect fit along side Parker, hes a first round talent thats slid to the 2nd round. A big 6'3 250 pound guy who knocks heads around, cmon guys thats a Steelers running back.

hes a good back but:
A) i dont know if he will even enter the draft
B) if he does how healthy he will be
and C) if we should grab him in the late first/early second when we have other glaring needs

richdg
01-03-2007, 08:39 PM
Cowher is gone. He doesn't want to coach after next year. So why bring him back as a lame duck? I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Now for his replacement, good question.
I think Grimm is more of a Rooney guy than Whiz is. I think it was Fox Sports webpage that I saw he was the leading candidate. Rivera would also be a great option. Who ever is picked, he will be under 45 and able to be around for 10 plus years, a defensive minded coach, someone who believes in the running game.

Now that my hangover (from the egg Michigan laid at the Rose Bowl) Here are some names I don't want us to draft: Hall and Woodley. Both played poorly in their last 2 games. These were the only games were they had to face NFL caliber players. They failed. Hall slips and falls to much, and Woodley isn't big enough to be a 4-3 DE or fast enough to be a 3-4 OLB. The later I already suspected.

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2007, 09:49 PM
Cowher is gone. He doesn't want to coach after next year. So why bring him back as a lame duck? I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Now for his replacement, good question.
I think Grimm is more of a Rooney guy than Whiz is. I think it was Fox Sports webpage that I saw he was the leading candidate. Rivera would also be a great option. Who ever is picked, he will be under 45 and able to be around for 10 plus years, a defensive minded coach, someone who believes in the running game.

Now that my hangover (from the egg Michigan laid at the Rose Bowl) Here are some names I don't want us to draft: Hall and Woodley. Both played poorly in their last 2 games. These were the only games were they had to face NFL caliber players. They failed. Hall slips and falls to much, and Woodley isn't big enough to be a 4-3 DE or fast enough to be a 3-4 OLB. The later I already suspected.

Word from Dale Lolley, Steelers insider is Cowher will likely announce his stepping down as early as Monday.

Mr. Stiller
01-03-2007, 09:50 PM
Hey guys, from what ive seen most people are crazy over Tony Hunt. What about Michael Bush, a perfect fit along side Parker, hes a first round talent thats slid to the 2nd round. A big 6'3 250 pound guy who knocks heads around, cmon guys thats a Steelers running back.

1) He runs too upright to be effective.
2) He's Ron Dayne 2.0. He never has EVER run with power... only finesse.
3) He'll go to early.
4) Better talent.

TerribleEd
01-03-2007, 10:48 PM
see below

Man_Of_Steel
01-03-2007, 10:53 PM
Mr. Stiller wrote

1) He runs too upright to be effective.
2) He's Ron Dayne 2.0. He never has EVER run with power... only finesse.
3) He'll go to early.
4) Better talent.


1) He has been effective with that running style, very effective.
2) I watched this guy plenty, twice in person and he runs with power. Due to him being as big as he is some peolple may only want to see him play smashmouth. He can use finesse to gain some space but he seems to always finish runs strong. Saying he never ever runs with power is absurd.
3) Anywhere from late first to early second would be a great pickup.
4) With Peterson and Lynch of the board what better talent is there, perhaps Leonard, please dont say Hunt.

TerribleEd
01-03-2007, 11:13 PM
Free Agency - Prior to the draft, the Steelers resign Max Starks to a one-year deal to competer with Willie Colon as the starter at RT.

Rd 1. Paul Posluszny, LB, PSU

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/01/17/inside.cfb/t1_pos_si.jpg

In this scenario, Patrick Willis has already been picked. The Steelers pick him to play OLB, and in doing so they address a position of dire need (when you consider both Porter and Haggans are UFA's after 2007). I had never given him much thought as Steeler-type OLB, considering him a better prospect as a 4-3 OLB. However, he's been putting on weight and he can move, and he's ultimately a safer bet to be a quality NFL linebacker than any tweener we could find in each of the first two rounds. If Mike Vrabel can play OLB in a 3-4, then I like Posluszny's chances to do it even better.

Rd 2) Brian Leonard, RB/FB, Rutgers

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/08/12/gallery.bigeast/leonard.jpg

While I really like Ryan Kalil as the Steeler's second rounder, two things kept me from making him the selection. First off, I think he'll be gone earlier in Rd 2 if not in the late first. Second, Okobi's the starter for at least two years and something tells me the Steelers want to see more of Marvin Philips before dismissing him as the future. Brian Leonard really is a good pick with the Steelers second rounder. He would be a great compliment to Willie Parker and adds those extra dimensions that a guy like Tony Hunt cannot. I think this pick is very realistic if Whisenhunt's still around in some capacity.

Rd 3) Manuel Ramirez, G, Texas Tech

http://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/962.jpg

Simmons should be gone and Faneca's not getting any younger. When you consider that Willie Colon may ultimately end up at right tackle and that Chris Keomautu may or may not ever be a starting caliber NFL Guard, it becomes evident that the Steelers need talented young depth at the position. Due to the Willie Colon factor, it is not clear as to whether Tackle or Guard is the bigger priority for the Steelers, but it is clear that Ramirez has more potential than any of the remaining Tackles available at this point.

Rd 4) Anthony Waters, ILB, Clemson

http://www.cutigers.com/2005/miami/slides/anthony-waters.jpg

Coming into the 2006 college football season, two players came to mind when the subject of Clemson Tiger defense was being discussed. While Gaines Adams enjoyed attention season-long, the other Tiger defensive standout was almost forgotten after suffering a season ending injury during week one. Had he stayed healthy, he would have most likely been gone somewhere in round two, but his loss is the Steeler's gain. He led Clemson in tackles as a junior and is known as a high-energy guy and team leader. It should be noted that I did not select Desmond Bishop because I think he's gone by now. His stock is rising so fast that by draft day he could be gone before out third pick (which I took into consideration when deciding on my third rounder).

Rd 4 comp) Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

http://www.utkvols.com/images/2003/preseason/team/wade.jpg

The Steelers still have young corners, but definitely need depth. Jonathan Wade has all kind of athletic talent, but has only played cornerback for two seasons. Similar to Ike Taylor's collegiate story. Wade comes with big upside.

Rd 5) Antonio Johnson, 3-4 DE, Mississippi State

http://www.genespage.com/images/01practices/football/2006/june05/11-timbailey.jpg

Johnson is a very athletic defensive lineman who's best may be yet to come once moved to the DE position in the 3-4.

Rd 5 comp) John Beck, QB, BYU

http://www.byucougars.com/football/images/a-Beck_John-2005B.jpg

I've seen him listed on so many of our mock drafts so far, I will almost be surprised when the Steelers don't take him in April. I think they get a good development QB and a quality back up to Ben if they do take him.

Rd 6) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

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On the flipside, Mr. Stiller, this one's for you. I agree that the Steelers do need a stud blocking TE.

Rd 7) Brenden Carney, P, Syracuse

http://web.syr.edu/~btcarney/carney.jpg[img]

Here's to hoping the Steelers get a good Punter this offseason.

To summarize this mock:

The Steelers use the 2007 draft to get tougher, stronger, and more talented in the backfield, O-line, and defensive front seven. A Steeler trademark, they sought and found FOOTBALL PLAYERS, paying less attention to individual workouts and more attention to production on the football field for most of their picks, with the exception of Antonio Johnson who is picked due to upside.

Man_Of_Steel
01-03-2007, 11:39 PM
TerribleEd thats a great mock draft for the Steelers, really well done.

Poz in round 1 though early makes sense and i love his instincts.

Leonard in rd 2 is a good pickup although I consider him to be a "b" plan compared to Bush .

Ramirez in rd 3 three is one I hope does not happen, I see no potential in him and dont find him that good to begin with.

Anthony Waters may be my favorite of these selections, it would be a real fine pickup to snag this guy. Wade I really like, I mean rd 4 and beyond is when your looking for gems, hes raw so id give him a shot.

As for Johnson and Beck in rd 5 it really seems to be the consensus on this board. However comparing Beck to other QB options availible at this point I find an alternate route more compelling.

mikehop05
01-04-2007, 01:01 AM
we need to stop doing mocks... the possibilites get me too excited and i dont want to be llet down come draft time 8)

i like the mock though, my only question is:can poz be an effective rusher asa olb?

Sgt Pepper
01-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Hey guys, from what ive seen most people are crazy over Tony Hunt. What about Michael Bush, a perfect fit along side Parker, hes a first round talent thats slid to the 2nd round. A big 6'3 250 pound guy who knocks heads around, cmon guys thats a Steelers running back.

1) He runs too upright to be effective.
2) He's Ron Dayne 2.0. He never has EVER run with power... only finesse.
3) He'll go to early.
4) Better talent.

You are wrong on just about everything except that he runs a little bit to upright. If you watched PSU at all you would see that he runs with more power than Bush or Leonard. They are more finesse runners in a big body. Hunt is a powerback even though his size is not as good as the others mentioned.

skarocksoi
01-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Hey guys, from what ive seen most people are crazy over Tony Hunt. What about Michael Bush, a perfect fit along side Parker, hes a first round talent thats slid to the 2nd round. A big 6'3 250 pound guy who knocks heads around, cmon guys thats a Steelers running back.

1) He runs too upright to be effective.
2) He's Ron Dayne 2.0. He never has EVER run with power... only finesse.
3) He'll go to early.
4) Better talent.

You are wrong on just about everything except that he runs a little bit to upright. If you watched PSU at all you would see that he runs with more power than Bush or Leonard. They are more finesse runners in a big body. Hunt is a powerback even though his size is not as good as the others mentioned.

I think he was talking about Michael Bush there, not Hunt. And Hunt lowers his shoulders and plows through guys like no other, very rarely upright.

I'm not sure about my feelings on Bush or not. At the beginning of this season, I was all for it, but after hearing people talk about his weaknesses and not being able to see him play, I'm kind of shying away from that pick. I also believe that he will be returning for another year, maybe bringing Brohm back with him. I've heard he still hasn't fully recovered from the injury, which means no training for the combine and possibly even no combine if his leg is still gimpy. As of now I'd say he's a round 2 pick and could really fall if more juniors come out and he can't work out for the scouts.

I'm guessing he's going to stay for another year so he's ready for the combines and a first round pick next year. If Brohm stays, they could even try for a National Championship run, or at least another BCS bowl.

DeathbyStat
01-04-2007, 11:11 AM
I'm probly jumping to conclusions and I'm probly really wrong about this, but the stars really seem to be aligning for Coach Cowher in Miami. Nick Saban has just left and the current DC is Dom Capers, the current OC is Mike Malarky......Plus the owner of the Dolphins owner claims that money is no object when he signs a new coach......could Cowher be coaching in Miami for one year?

mikehop05
01-04-2007, 12:44 PM
I'm probly jumping to conclusions and I'm probly really wrong about this, but the stars really seem to be aligning for Coach Cowher in Miami. Nick Saban has just left and the current DC is Dom Capers, the current OC is Mike Malarky......Plus the owner of the Dolphins owner claims that money is no object when he signs a new coach......could Cowher be coaching in Miami for one year?

i would say there is a 99.999% chance that cowher does not coach in miami this year

IF cowher stays (which he wont) he will take some years off to be with his daughter who is still in highschool in north carolina.

azazaz7
01-04-2007, 02:33 PM
Steelers | Cowher to resign and retire?
Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:03:44 -0800

ESPNews reports Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher is expected to announce his resignation and retire from coaching Thursday, Jan. 4.
Link:http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Smooth Criminal
01-04-2007, 08:50 PM
ESPN ticker says Cowher will resign Monday.

I think all of this Cowher to Miami stuff is crap. If he wanted to coach he wouldn't leave Pittsburgh. He knows what the Rooneys have done for him. Twice in his career most people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired. The Rooneys always had faith in him and stuck with him. I think it would be a complete spit in the face to the Rooneys for Cowher to coach somewhere else next year after the opportunity they gave him.

diabsoule
01-04-2007, 09:01 PM
I was hoping Cowher was going to stick around. I hope we find a great replacement for him.

Smooth Criminal
01-04-2007, 09:07 PM
Oakland Raiders will enter the coaching sweepstakes. Art Shell was fired today. That makes 5 teams including without coaches right now and we already know that two of them are in talks with Whis and 1 with Grimm. I'm guessing Oakland will interview Whisenhunt again since they did last year and Grimm is a possibility for them as well. Miami will probbaly be going after Whis aswell.

richdg
01-04-2007, 09:22 PM
To no ones surprise, Press Conference tom. for Cowher to announce he is retiring. So long Bill, good luck and God Bless.

Smooth Criminal
01-04-2007, 09:26 PM
Kinda glad its over so we can stop worrying abotu when it'll happen and looking for a replacement. I'm anxious to see who we bring in for interviews. List should be about the same as all of the other teams.

Smooth Criminal
01-04-2007, 09:31 PM
Also, keep in mind our recent report that merely sitting out the 2007 season won't wipe out the final year of his contract. We've heard that the Steelers believe that the final year of the contract is tolled during his retirement, and that the Steelers think they still hold his rights if he tries to return to the NFL in 2008 or later.

From PFT


Interesting enough. If Cowher retires for a few years and comes back we still get compensation for him. Compensation for Gruden was 2 first rounders and a 2nd. I can only imagine what it would be for Cowher.

richdg
01-04-2007, 09:54 PM
If he goes to an NFL team. He may want to try something new. He's done the NFL. Won a SB. What is left to do? In a year or 2 he may try college football. Just throughing it out there. He does owe the Steelers a lot. He will always be a Steeler. If he goes to a college team, he can still be a Steeler.

Smooth Criminal
01-04-2007, 10:19 PM
I can't see him going to a college team. I don't know why but I just can't see it happening.

diabsoule
01-05-2007, 11:09 AM
I can't see him going to a college team. I don't know why but I just can't see it happening.

I don't see that happening either. I actually think he may take more time off than people think he will due to the fact that he's been with the NFL ever since he was a player.

skarocksoi
01-05-2007, 12:37 PM
Well Cowher is gone and I wish him well in everything he might do in the future. It's pretty crazy to think that the face (or chin) of the organization is now gone. I'm 22 years old, and for about as long as I have watched football, Cowher has been our coach, and its hard to picture it any other way. Actually, my two coaches have been Cowher and JoePa, so I guess I'm pretty spoiled.

But, moving on, I'm confident that the Rooneys will hire someone who fits well with the Steeler organization and can keep on our tradition of solid play.

azazaz7
01-05-2007, 01:20 PM
So who's on everyone's head coaching wishlist. My top 5 preferences in no particular order would be:

Brian Schottenheimer [Jets Offensive Coordinator]
Rob Ryan [Raiders Defensive Coordinator]
Rex Ryan [Ravens Defensive Coordinator]
Ken Whisenhunt [Next Falcons Head Coach]
Ron Rivera [Bears Defensive Coordinator]

All are relatively young which I think is important.

mikehop05
01-05-2007, 01:29 PM
So who's on everyone's head coaching wishlist. My top 5 preferences in no particular order would be:

Brian Schottenheimer [Jets Offensive Coordinator]
Rob Ryan [Raiders Defensive Coordinator]
Rex Ryan [Ravens Defensive Coordinator]
Ken Whisenhunt [Next Falcons Head Coach]
Ron Rivera [Bears Defensive Coordinator]

All are relatively young which I think is important.


i like rivera, and clayton had said he would be a good fit for the steelers and that they were interested in a defensive minded coach...

i dont see rex ryan coming over from the ravens, i htink he is a great coach but i dont see him switching teams in the division

i dont think we will get bob ryan, well at least i hope not, he is hideous looking

i like whiz, of course

brian schotty wouldnt be a good fit for the steelers i think...

having said all that i hope we get rivera - a proven winner (the defense pretty much wins the bears games) and a proven defensive mastermind

skarocksoi
01-05-2007, 02:09 PM
my list would probably be (in no particular order)

Ken Whisenhunt
Russ Grimm
Ron Rivera
Kirk Ferentz
or a good defensive coach like Jim Hazlett

Smooth Criminal
01-05-2007, 04:49 PM
I don't know why people put Whis in for the Atlanta job already. Just because he lived in georgia doesn't mean he will take the job. He'll have the opportunity to take the most prestigous coaching job in the NFL. That's gotta be a hard thing to turn down esspecially after winning a superbowl with this team last year.

mikehop05
01-05-2007, 05:26 PM
who do you think will be our offensive coordinator?

whiz is either going to be the head coach or hes gone...

mark whipple? QB coach...

any other ideas?

diabsoule
01-05-2007, 05:41 PM
I really like Ron Rivera. I thought he'd make the perfect replacement for Cowher. He's young, has a great defensive mind, has succeeded in every coaching stint he's been in, and knows how to get the most out of his players. He's the man for us.

mikehop05
01-05-2007, 06:05 PM
I really like Ron Rivera. I thought he'd make the perfect replacement for Cowher. He's young, has a great defensive mind, has succeeded in every coaching stint he's been in, and knows how to get the most out of his players. He's the man for us.

i absolutley agree, however, the only problem may be that a lot of the players have been calling for whis or grimm to get the job so they might not find him as appealing at first

Mr. Stiller
01-05-2007, 09:49 PM
I really like Ron Rivera. I thought he'd make the perfect replacement for Cowher. He's young, has a great defensive mind, has succeeded in every coaching stint he's been in, and knows how to get the most out of his players. He's the man for us.

i absolutley agree, however, the only problem may be that a lot of the players have been calling for whis or grimm to get the job so they might not find him as appealing at first


As long as he keeps the 3-4, I'm all for it, especially with the talent the bears seem to produce on defense.

Smooth Criminal
01-05-2007, 09:49 PM
Just heard on PST that there are actually vegas odds on who will eb teh next Steelers head coach. The favorite is Whisenhunt followed by Grimm. They didn't say any of the other names and I havn't found to odds yet.

richdg
01-05-2007, 10:15 PM
I prefer either Grimm or Rivera. Both fit the D first/strong running game mold of the Steelers. Either would be good choices. Grimm has a great football name however.

Mr. Stiller
01-05-2007, 10:16 PM
Just heard on PST that there are actually vegas odds on who will eb teh next Steelers head coach. The favorite is Whisenhunt followed by Grimm. They didn't say any of the other names and I havn't found to odds yet.

My buddy's dad played Oline for the Steelers in the 80's and a close friend of Grimm and steeler personel. Word from him is Steelers: 60 - 40 in favor of Grimm.

skarocksoi
01-05-2007, 10:34 PM
I think I would prefer Grimm over Whisenhunt. I feel like Grimm would keep around the power running game while Whis would take us back to the pass happy days of 03. Ron Rivera wouldn't be bad either, so long as he doesnt try to switch over to the cover two right away.

Mr. Stiller
01-06-2007, 12:36 AM
I think I would prefer Grimm over Whisenhunt. I feel like Grimm would keep around the power running game while Whis would take us back to the pass happy days of 03. Ron Rivera wouldn't be bad either, so long as he doesnt try to switch over to the cover two right away.

When I see Coach... I think an Emotional leader. Grimm would be perfect, he's a fiery guy and would have the troops ready, I don't know how much Rivera or Whis are motivators.

Sgt Pepper
01-06-2007, 12:39 AM
I think I would prefer Grimm over Whisenhunt. I feel like Grimm would keep around the power running game while Whis would take us back to the pass happy days of 03. Ron Rivera wouldn't be bad either, so long as he doesnt try to switch over to the cover two right away.

For one thing, a cover 2 can be run with any defensive front whether it be 34 or 43. A modified cover 2 may be a good fit for the Steelers. Troy and Anthony Smith are both versitile ballhawks. You do not understand the cover 2 and it's objectives. Bryant McFadden would probably be better off in a cover 2 and Ike taylor could play deep in some disguise packages to let troy into the box. The secondary is very compatable for a cover 2.

I think Ron Rivera or Russ Grimm should be the top candidate for the HC job of the Steelers. Both of which seem to identify with the attitude of the Steelers. Ken Whisenhunt would be an excellent HC in the NFL for any franchise, but the Steelers could easily lose their identity under his watch.

Sgt Pepper
01-06-2007, 12:53 AM
My top candidates for the HC job:

1. Ron Rivera
-successful in all of his coaching endeavors and appears to have a Steelers type mindset. At 44 could coach for a long time.

2. Russ Grimm
-knows the players and the Steelers system. He has the right attitude and mindset to buy into the Steelers way of doing things.

3. Brian Schottenheimer
-If he is anything like Marty and likes to play "marty ball", we would be in good shape. Running the ball and the clock is known as "Steeler Ball", in these parts. Additionally he is about the same age as Cowher and Knoll when they were hired. The Rooney's are certainly looking for someone for more than 2 years.

4. Ken Whisenhunt
-While I think he WILL make a great HC in the NFL, I don't think it will be in the burgh. It would be great to keep him and Ben together but it would do more harm than good. Whisenhunt doesn't identify with the "Steelers way". He would be an excellent coach for the Steelers or any team, but may not be what the Rooney's are looking for.


Those are my top 4. I also like Kirk Ferentz from Upper Saint Claire and Josh McDaniels of the Patriots. One I think is too old and the latter too young.

mikehop05
01-06-2007, 12:35 PM
Apparently Russ Grimm had a terrible interview with the Bears back when they were looking for a new head coach a few years ago...

One site lists Grimm as a no better than a small college head coach...

I may have to agree, it takes more than being a motivator and a fiery guy to be a head coach. You also need to be intelligent, self assured, and knowledgable of the game. Grimm has never been a coordinator, so I am skepticle on his knowledge other than offensive line.

I want to throw a few other names out there...

Jim Haslett - he contacted the Steelers and asked them to consider him as HC.

Mike Tomlin - DC for Minnesota Vikings, though inexperienced, incredibly bright and young... could be exactly what the steelers need... he also played WR in college, so he knows about O and D.

azazaz7
01-06-2007, 01:08 PM
Assuming neither Whisenhunt nor Grimm stick around, this would be my dream coaching ticket (with all relevant changes):

Brian Schottenheimer [Head Coach]
Dick LeBeau [Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Assistant]
Bruce Arians [Offensive Coordinator]
Greg Manusky [Defensive Coordinator]

I've bleated about Brian Schottenheimer before and don't really want to go over old ground again. He fits roughly the same age profile as both Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher when they took the job and his resume is equally (if not more) impressive. Since the Steelers have invested 1st round picks on offensive talent the last three years, an offensive minded head coach could be the best fit.

Experience will count against Schottenheimer. Thus, Dick LeBeau, a guy with previous head coaching experience and the respect of all Steelers players and fans, would be an ideal 2nd in command. He can act as a wily old head and guide Schottenheimer along before retiring in a couple of years.

Bruce Arians seems to me to be the most qualified candidate to replace Whis as OC. He has done a very good job coaching the WRs and has previous experience as a OC with the Browns. A knock on him could be that he's no longer an OC because he can't call plays, so Brian Schottenheimer can take on that role like Billick does for the Ravens and Payton does for the Saints.

As DC, I'd consider Darren Perry for the role but he first needs to prove himself as a capable DB coach. I've no doubt that he'll eventually become Steelers DC but the timing isn't right yet. Therefore, Schottenheimer brings in a coaching colleague from his days in San Diego. Chargers LB coach Greg Manusky would be an excellent choice. He has coached Shawne Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Randall Godfrey and Donnie Edwards this year with remarkable results. What's more, the Chargers employ a 3-4 defensive front so he has prior knowledge of the role the Steelers will likely use. Dick LeBeau will be available in a kind of mentor role for a couple of years and will pass on his knowledge.

mikehop05
01-06-2007, 02:05 PM
My head coach right now is Mike Tomlin, i simply love the guy and everything i've read about him.

bearsfan_51
01-06-2007, 02:30 PM
Apparently Russ Grimm had a terrible interview with the Bears back when they were looking for a new head coach a few years ago....
Not really. By and large the front office liked him, they just didn't view him as polished enough to be the head coach of a team that is run more like a corporation than it used to in the days of Ditka, who I don't think could get hired by the Bears nowadays.

I think Grimm could be a nice fit in a smaller media market like Pittsburgh, but you are correct in questioning how capable he is of hiring a staff, getting quality play-callers, formulating a draft plan, etc.

bearsfan_51
01-06-2007, 02:33 PM
I really like Ron Rivera. I thought he'd make the perfect replacement for Cowher. He's young, has a great defensive mind, has succeeded in every coaching stint he's been in, and knows how to get the most out of his players. He's the man for us.

i absolutley agree, however, the only problem may be that a lot of the players have been calling for whis or grimm to get the job so they might not find him as appealing at first


As long as he keeps the 3-4, I'm all for it, especially with the talent the bears seem to produce on defense.
He won't. Rivera is steeped in the Tampa 2, and it is predicated upon following and knowing the scheme very strictly. Rest assured that if hired he would run the same defense that Lovie runs, he's said as much.

Hurricane Ditka
01-06-2007, 02:34 PM
Apparently Russ Grimm had a terrible interview with the Bears back when they were looking for a new head coach a few years ago....
Not really. By and large the front office liked him, they just didn't view him as polished enough to be the head coach of a team that is run more like a corporation than it used to in the days of Ditka, who I don't think could get hired by the Bears nowadays.

I think Grimm could be a nice fit in a smaller media market like Pittsburgh, but you are correct in questioning how capable he is of hiring a staff, getting quality play-callers, formulating a draft plan, etc.I'm sure the McClaskey family didn't appreciate him mispronouncing their name. I was was furious when they hired Smith over Grimm.

bearsfan_51
01-06-2007, 02:36 PM
Apparently Russ Grimm had a terrible interview with the Bears back when they were looking for a new head coach a few years ago....
Not really. By and large the front office liked him, they just didn't view him as polished enough to be the head coach of a team that is run more like a corporation than it used to in the days of Ditka, who I don't think could get hired by the Bears nowadays.

I think Grimm could be a nice fit in a smaller media market like Pittsburgh, but you are correct in questioning how capable he is of hiring a staff, getting quality play-callers, formulating a draft plan, etc.I'm sure the McClaskey family didn't appreciate him mispronouncing their name. I was was furious when they hired Smith over Grimm.
Meh..I don't like screamers in todays game. Coaches that are too emotional tend to have sporatic performances from their teams (Cowher seems to have avoided this). I prefer a stoneface like Billicheck or Lovie.

Ok you can have your thread back now. :wink:

Hurricane Ditka
01-06-2007, 02:44 PM
Apparently Russ Grimm had a terrible interview with the Bears back when they were looking for a new head coach a few years ago....
Not really. By and large the front office liked him, they just didn't view him as polished enough to be the head coach of a team that is run more like a corporation than it used to in the days of Ditka, who I don't think could get hired by the Bears nowadays.

I think Grimm could be a nice fit in a smaller media market like Pittsburgh, but you are correct in questioning how capable he is of hiring a staff, getting quality play-callers, formulating a draft plan, etc.I'm sure the McClaskey family didn't appreciate him mispronouncing their name. I was was furious when they hired Smith over Grimm.
Meh..I don't like screamers in todays game. Coaches that are too emotional tend to have sporatic performances from their teams (Cowher seems to have avoided this). I prefer a stoneface like Billicheck or Lovie.

Ok you can have your thread back now. :wink:Damn, you missed the McClaskey joke. You're losing it.

Man_Of_Steel
01-06-2007, 03:29 PM
Alot of people seem to think Whiz would change the Steeler philosphy and go back to 03. Thats not true though. Remember back a year ago when he was interviewed by the Raiders, he would of had the job if he would have agreed to run a pass heavy offense, he rejected wanting to run the offense his way, run first. Then settled back as Steelers OC. Whiz is a smart guy whos been in the steelrs system for a while now and he knows wehat Steelers football is alll about. If he changes anything though id love for it to be Cowhers unwritten rule of never throwing on first down.

diabsoule
01-06-2007, 03:49 PM
My head coach right now is Mike Tomlin, i simply love the guy and everything i've read about him.

Tomlin actually might be a guy the Steelers might look at heavily. He seems to have the Cowher background, is not necessarily a hot commodity, but has been very successful in all his stints as a coach, is a defensive minded guy, and comes from a good coaching tree.

azazaz7
01-06-2007, 03:59 PM
Alot of people seem to think Whiz would change the Steeler philosphy and go back to 03. Thats not true though. Remember back a year ago when he was interviewed by the Raiders, he would of had the job if he would have agreed to run a pass heavy offense, he rejected wanting to run the offense his way, run first. Then settled back as Steelers OC. Whiz is a smart guy whos been in the steelrs system for a while now and he knows wehat Steelers football is alll about. If he changes anything though id love for it to be Cowhers unwritten rule of never throwing on first down.
While I don't doubt that what you post is true, wasn't the primary reason Whisenhunt didn't take the Raiders job because he wasn't allowed pick his own assistants?

mikehop05
01-06-2007, 04:00 PM
My head coach right now is Mike Tomlin, i simply love the guy and everything i've read about him.

Tomlin actually might be a guy the Steelers might look at heavily. He seems to have the Cowher background, is not necessarily a hot commodity, but has been very successful in all his stints as a coach, is a defensive minded guy, and comes from a good coaching tree.

bingo, also he is 35 (about cowhers age)

Man_Of_Steel
01-06-2007, 06:54 PM
azazaz7

True, he wasnt allowed to pick his assistants but on NFL Sirius Sat radio today they talked about this situation and brought up the point I posted. I found it very interesting as well.

mikehop05
01-07-2007, 11:18 AM
tomlin on the interview list for the steelers :D

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07007/751992-66.stm

azazaz7
01-07-2007, 11:43 AM
I'm torn on Tomlin's suitability. Sure, the Vikes run defense was outstanding but why run the ball against them when their pass defense was worst in the league? How well would the Steelers adapt to his Tampa 2 defense with the current personnel? Would the Rooney's and Kevin Colbert be willing to adapt from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3 front?

Tomlin has been successful wherever he has gone but the Steelers could be in line for a couple of years of hardship on the defensive side of the ball while they change over to his defensive philosophy. Would Steelers fans accept that or would they be calling for Bill Cowher's return in a couple of years?

If Tomlin is to become the head coach, I suspect that he'd implement his Tampa 2 defense on a gradual basis rather than a radical shift next year. After the 2007 season, when Aaron Smith, Joey Porter, Clark Haggans and Troy Polamalu all see their contract's run out could be the best time to make a switch.

steel man
01-07-2007, 11:55 AM
the only reason i think Whis prob. will get the job is because he did turn down the Oak. job. plus he is the top person out there and they may not want to let him go or face him later.

the bad thing about not hiring one of the 2(Whis or Grimm) is that we will have 3 new guys(HC,OC,OLC) that will have to learn a new system and the player will have to get use to, so that being said i think they may go with Whis because they know if they dont keep him he is gone but they may get to keep Grimm because he is not as wanted as Whis.

mikehop05
01-07-2007, 12:00 PM
I'm torn on Tomlin's suitability. Sure, the Vikes run defense was outstanding but why run the ball against them when their pass defense was worst in the league? How well would the Steelers adapt to his Tampa 2 defense with the current personnel? Would the Rooney's and Kevin Colbert be willing to adapt from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3 front?

Tomlin has been successful wherever he has gone but the Steelers could be in line for a couple of years of hardship on the defensive side of the ball while they change over to his defensive philosophy. Would Steelers fans accept that or would they be calling for Bill Cowher's return in a couple of years?

If Tomlin is to become the head coach, I suspect that he'd implement his Tampa 2 defense on a gradual basis rather than a radical shift next year. After the 2007 season, when Aaron Smith, Joey Porter, Clark Haggans and Troy Polamalu all see their contract's run out could be the best time to make a switch.

He has implemented his tampa 2 in minnesota... however, they use a variety of coverages and really only use the tampa 2 in 3rd and long situations. Minnesota had some bad players on the defensive secondary, look at what he did with grooming kelly and barber when he was with tampa... i mean he obviously has some great knowledge of that part of the ball. I can see us making a transition to a cover 2 based scheme at times, both polomalu and smith are athletic enough as safties, and mcfadden and taylor are really both suited for the cov. 2 scheme in that they are very physical. We can even run Carter and Smith at safties, and have Troy play MLB in third and long situations, where he can cover that middle deep zone.

In any case, I think he will be a good fit for us.

steel man
01-07-2007, 12:07 PM
on a side note what programs do you guys use to make your sigs and do you have to upload a video to a web page to use them as an avatar or how do you do it also the reason i am asking is i can not get my sigs to look as good as most peoples on here and when i try to do the mock drafts with the jerseys of the team i think they may get drafted they come out crappy. any help will be app.

P.S. when i do try to do anything i use photoshop if that helps, maybe there is some commands that i dont know about. we use it at work and i know more than the avg person but i know there is a lot that i dont know, also if you guys do stuff like the jerseys free hand you are awsome.

thanks

mikehop05
01-07-2007, 12:08 PM
the only reason i think Whis prob. will get the job is because he did turn down the Oak. job. plus he is the top person out there and they may not want to let him go or face him later.

the bad thing about not hiring one of the 2(Whis or Grimm) is that we will have 3 new guys(HC,OC,OLC) that will have to learn a new system and the player will have to get use to, so that being said i think they may go with Whis because they know if they dont keep him he is gone but they may get to keep Grimm because he is not as wanted as Whis.

There is a chance that whis doesnt get hired though. His 2 main spots, Atlanta and Miami, may pass on him. Miami really like cam cameron, and Atlanta like mike singeltary... and they can go in several directions, including Mike Martz.

How great would it be to get the Whiz back at O Cord. and bring in Tomlin as the Head coach.

mikehop05
01-07-2007, 12:09 PM
on a side note what programs do you guys use to make your sigs and do you have to upload a video to a web page to use them as an avatar or how do you do it also the reason i am asking is i can not get my sigs to look as good as most peoples on here and when i try to do the mock drafts with the jerseys of the team i think they may get drafted they come out crappy. any help will be app.

P.S. when i do try to do anything i use photoshop if that helps, maybe there is some commands that i dont know about. we use it at work and i know more than the avg person but i know there is a lot that i dont know, also if you guys do stuff like the jerseys free hand you are awsome.

thanks

i agree, i want a sweet sig / avatar...

but i am photoshop ********.

steel man
01-07-2007, 12:39 PM
am i the only one or is there someone else that hates the Justin Blalock pick for us. i really hope we do not draft him. to me he looks and acts lazy and just will not be good in the NFL.

mikehop05
01-07-2007, 12:53 PM
am i the only one or is there someone else that hates the Justin Blalock pick for us. i really hope we do not draft him. to me he looks and acts lazy and just will not be good in the NFL.

I agree, and i think after jan. 15th, the cutoff for players to declare, we will have a different pick in scotts mock for us.

diabsoule
01-07-2007, 03:19 PM
I'm not a fan of the Blalock pick either. I like Levi Brown for us and I also wouldn't mind us picking up a linebacker either.

Hines
01-07-2007, 04:26 PM
i am watchin the eagle game and i thought of somethin. y not jim johnson as our new coach. he has a great defensive mind and has done wonders with the eagles d.

mikehop05
01-07-2007, 06:05 PM
i am watchin the eagle game and i thought of somethin. y not jim johnson as our new coach. he has a great defensive mind and has done wonders with the eagles d.

he is pretty old and though hes a great defensive ocordinator, he is pushing 70 and thats just too old for the steelers to make him a head coach

Smooth Criminal
01-07-2007, 08:03 PM
Falcons are signing Bobby Petrino either tonight or tommorow.

With the Giants possibly looking for a new HC and Parcells decision coming in the next few days, I think its a great move to make an offer to get the guy they want now. Sign him before he gets any other offers from teams entering the coaching race late.

steel man
01-07-2007, 09:47 PM
Falcons are signing Bobby Petrino either tonight or tommorow.

With the Giants possibly looking for a new HC and Parcells decision coming in the next few days, I think its a great move to make an offer to get the guy they want now. Sign him before he gets any other offers from teams entering the coaching race late.

it is already a done deal
http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/index
here is the whole story
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2723700

i think now Brian Brohm and Mike Bush will enter the draft because they will not want to play for a new coach for 1 year. it may make them look bad and not do as good in the draft. Bush had a good rate before he got hurt and he is getting older and only has so many years to make money, also a rb does not get to play as long as a lot of pos. he still will go 1st day and Brohm had a great bowl game so he will go high now, so i dont see any reason why they may go back to school.

NFLBOY
01-08-2007, 10:48 AM
i am watchin the eagle game and i thought of somethin. y not jim johnson as our new coach. he has a great defensive mind and has done wonders with the eagles d. We have a great coach on the defensive side also. I'd take lebeau over Johnson anyday. I would love to be in the room when they interview Grimm and whiz. I think Grimm has that nasty steelers attitude, but whiz is the one who has made our O go. Very hard decision when you have 2 quality coaches on your team already.

mikehop05
01-08-2007, 11:57 AM
Ron Rivera was interviewed sunday by the Steelers, I believe Whiz, Grimm, and Tomlin will all be interviewd within the next few days. I think we will know by the end of the week who our coach will be.

skarocksoi
01-08-2007, 12:25 PM
Im curious to see how the new coach, whomever he may be, will interact with our players, specifically Joey Porter. If we get a no nonsense kind of guy who doesn't enjoy people doing a lot of talking (a la Porter), will he be able to put the clamps on that sort of thing? Will our players respond well to that or will they become upset and maybe want to get out?

I remember hearing about how Porter was almost ready to hold out this year, but Cowher talked him out of it. I don't think a new coach will be willing to put up with a player causing trouble when the new coach has no connection with the player. Does anybody think Porter will shut his mouth and take what he's given after his sub-par peformance this year or are we going to see a holdout this offseason?

mikehop05
01-08-2007, 02:23 PM
Im curious to see how the new coach, whomever he may be, will interact with our players, specifically Joey Porter. If we get a no nonsense kind of guy who doesn't enjoy people doing a lot of talking (a la Porter), will he be able to put the clamps on that sort of thing? Will our players respond well to that or will they become upset and maybe want to get out?

I remember hearing about how Porter was almost ready to hold out this year, but Cowher talked him out of it. I don't think a new coach will be willing to put up with a player causing trouble when the new coach has no connection with the player. Does anybody think Porter will shut his mouth and take what he's given after his sub-par peformance this year or are we going to see a holdout this offseason?

if porter tries to hold out i dont see the rooneys giving in at all... he hasnt been producing enough to warrent more money

but the scenario u bring up is an interesting one... in that specific scenario it would most likely be better to hire from within i.e. grimm/whiz

Grizzlegom
01-08-2007, 02:57 PM
like u said a lot depends on the coach. but another aspect is if u bring in a coach with a different style of defense, like rivera, then porter could end up getting traded.

skarocksoi
01-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Well I'm sure the players would love to get a guy from within because of familiarity, but I think any coach with a tough, hard nosed attitude would sit well with our players. I'm just thinking that if we have a holdout this offseason, the new coach won't be as willing as Cowher to fight for the player to get his money and stay on the team.

With a new coach this offseason, I'm expecting a lot of players fighting for spots on the roster during training camp. We have some pretty good players on this team, but I think there is room for improvement and a chance for some younger guys to earn a starting job. Here are my positions:

Offense:
O-line - Basically almost the whole line is questionable after their inconsistant play this year. Hartings will hopefully retire as his best days are behind him, Smith and Starks played horribly some games and pretty well others, and Simmons got tossed around quite a bit. Thats the bad news. The good news is that when Kemo and Colon got to play they looked pretty good, and Okobi was alright.

WR - They had trouble catching the ball and getting seperation at the beginning of the year, but steadily improved as the year went on with Holmes finally breaking out and being the player we hoped he would be. Wilson is average at best, and thats when he's healthy, and Ward, while consistant, is getting older. We have Holmes and Washington showing a lot of improvement and could end up being solid starters

Defense:
LB - Didn't really get the standard of play we expect from our Linebackers this year and had almost no pass rush. With the exception of Foote, out whole core of LB's is getting older and not producing like they used to. Our backups aren't spectacular either, so a major influx of talent is needed.

CB - Some young talent outside of Townsend, but not the production we need. The problem was mostly due to the lack of a pass rush, but depth is still a concern.

Those are my positions to look at in the offseason. Anyone else have some areas of concern?

mikehop05
01-08-2007, 03:33 PM
power running game, we couldnt depend on willie to get us those tough yards, and when he gets hit he doesnt usualyl fall forwards

skarocksoi
01-08-2007, 03:42 PM
Thats definitely something we need too. A good change of pace back would help out when Willie can't get those tough yards.

What is everyone's opinion on the o-line? They have been pretty bad at certain points this year and the future of some of our guys is a bit uncertain, but do we draft some new talent or try to make due with what we've got?

mikehop05
01-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Thats definitely something we need too. A good change of pace back would help out when Willie can't get those tough yards.

What is everyone's opinion on the o-line? They have been pretty bad at certain points this year and the future of some of our guys is a bit uncertain, but do we draft some new talent or try to make due with what we've got?

Thats a real toughy... I think it all depends on who is still available when we pick...

The best scenario for me (if jarrett is gone) would be to trade down with the Jets, and aquire their 25thish pick in round one and two.

This would leave us with A late first and 2 seconds.

We pick up Joe Staley with the 25th.
Pick up Laamar Woodley/Anthony Spencer/Top DE/OLB tweener with our 2nd.
Grab Dwayne Bowe / Robert Meachem with the Jets second
Pick up Hunt with our 3rd.

Smooth Criminal
01-08-2007, 06:17 PM
Bouchet said he expects us to only interview Rivera, Grimm, Whisenhunt and Tomlin. He says the decision is really only between Grimm and Whis and it should be made by the end of the week.

Mr. Stiller
01-08-2007, 11:45 PM
My Latest Mock of a Mock:

Trade down from #15 for a later 1st, 2nd and 4th.




1) Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/01/17/gallery.bestcfbplayers/rice.jpg
A big Target. Solid size and speed. Body control to rival Larry Fitzgerald. He also has great hands. A physical guy that will give us a big target and someone to throw the ball up and let him make a play.

2a) Jarvis Moss, DE->OLB, Florida
http://www.alligator.org/pt2/images/sports/050930moss.jpg
A 6'6 guy with 260 lbs and great athleticism. Can learn how to drop in coverage but he knows how to get in the backfield and in a hurry.

2b) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
http://www.nabilmark.com/ezpublish/var/nabilmark/storage/images/penn_state_football_2004/tony_hunt_touchdown/1530-1-eng-US/tony_hunt_touchdown.jpg
Willie wants a guy to split the carries with. The guy gave us 1300+ Yards.. I say give him what he wants. Tony Hunt will let Willie have his 15-20 Carries and split 5-10 with Najeh. Gives us a solid short yardage guy and a reliable bruiser. Top gear is slow, but he hits with the best of them. Has great hands (Came in as a reciever). Also gives us a solid 2nd blocking RB.

3) Desmond Bishop, MLB, California
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/297663.jpeg
Solid Tackler. We need a guy to learn behind Farrior. Bishop is fast, smart, has great instincts and hits like a brick wall. He'll learn behind Farrior and give us a Future talent when James retires.

4a) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg
Paved way for CJ Spiller and James Davis. a Potent SEC thunder and lightning attack. Very athletic and could develop into a great player.

4b) John Beck, QB, BYU
http://media.bonnint.net/slc/0/52/5280.jpg
A tough leader. Has solid arm strength and the overall will to win. Learns behind Batch, removes St. Pierre and gives us 2 reliable backups. Also a future backup when Retires.

4c) Justin Hickman, OLB, UCLA
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/17/175473.jpg
Gives us another young solid option at OLB. 6'2 265 lbs was a big reason they beat USC. Managed 6 sacks last year and 13 as a senior. Gives Depth and at his size could play either MLB or OLB. Could be James Harrison if we get a guy like Tommy Blake or Brian Cushing in 2008 draft.

5a) Stephon Heyer, OT, Maryland.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/md/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/214220.jpeg
I see us resigning Starks for a year. If not I see us giving him a 3rd round tender. Regardless. Willie has shown he's more than capable of locking down the RT position. He shut down the Ravens and Bengals. Heyer is a solid OT Prospect and athletic for his size. he's 6'6 296lbs and has seen plenty of good pass rushers. Give us depth when Starks leaves. Or if Colon moves to RG. He played solidly against Mario Williams, Manny Lawson, Gaines Adams. Just to name a few and has gaurded Sam Hollenbachs blind side for 2 years.

5B) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg
a 6'4 270 TE that could play Tackle. Gives us a solid Blocker to move Jerame Tuman into retirement.

6) Adam Podlesh, P, Maryland
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/md/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/a-podlesh-a1-c03.jpg
Solid #'s, but the thing that sticks out to me is 0... Punts blocked in his career. Who better to replace the failing Gardocki?

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/media/Images/Gallery/alama-francis_ikaika_g1.jpg
Broke Kipers top 25 but so did Mike Hass. Francis is a 3-4 DE and bolsters solid size at 6'6 290lbs. He's agile and is a solid run stopper. 2 years experience in a 3-4 will also make him a great candidate for Pittsburgh. Our Token Samoan Steal?

skarocksoi
01-09-2007, 01:32 AM
I really like that draft Stiller. You hit all our needs and gave us some guys to challenge our current starters. I know it depends on a trade down, but I think its a decent possibility. I especially like the Sydney Rice pick. I was going to get peoples opinion of him after I saw he was coming out. I've heard people compare him to Plax with a better attitude, and we all know how much Ben benefited from Plax. The WR position is stacked in this years draft, and I can see several great guys dropping later than they should. A guy like Rice could even fall into the second round, depending on who comes out. Right now my top WRs are Jarrett and Rice (outside of CJ of course) and are the two I think we could target in the 1st. Other guys we could look at are Robert Meachem from Tennesse, Dallas Baker from Florida, or Dwayne Bowe from LSU.