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Mr. Stiller
05-14-2007, 07:12 PM
yeah then soon its going to meaning less to have a cap

is it? I believe we had the most astronomical signings in the 30's... Byron "Whizzer" White...

15k for 3 seasons..

as the continued rise of the cost of living.. and revenue spent a year... the NFL can only continue to grow.

glennjamen3
05-14-2007, 10:25 PM
Did anybody see the article on espn saying that Faneca was upset by something the Rooney's said to him in a meeting they just had? Faneca wouldn't say what it was, only that something they said pissed him off so he asked for a trade and then skipped practice. I wonder what it could have been?

One good thing though is that it seems him and Tomlin get along... the article says he didn't come back to practice until Tomlin talked to him. It will be interesting to see how this one works itself out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2868742

Mr. Stiller
05-14-2007, 10:37 PM
Did anybody see the article on espn saying that Faneca was upset by something the Rooney's said to him in a meeting they just had? Faneca wouldn't say what it was, only that something they said pissed him off so he asked for a trade and then skipped practice. I wonder what it could have been?

One good thing though is that it seems him and Tomlin get along... the article says he didn't come back to practice until Tomlin talked to him. It will be interesting to see how this one works itself out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2868742

Oddly enough NFLN Around the League just stated he's miffed about Tomlin calling him out in a team meeting... for what I don't know.. but step up or shut up I guess.

mikehop05
05-14-2007, 10:39 PM
Oddly enough NFLN Around the League just stated he's miffed about Tomlin calling him out in a team meeting... for what I don't know.. but step up or shut up I guess.

i havnt heard that at all yet, and from all ive seen / heard is that tomlin and faneca are getting along pretty well

Mr. Stiller
05-14-2007, 11:10 PM
i havnt heard that at all yet, and from all ive seen / heard is that tomlin and faneca are getting along pretty well

I heard they were joking and getting along. Don't hate the messenger.

brat316
05-15-2007, 01:56 AM
im not worried so much about Fannecas deal he being in his 30s and he is kinda replaceable

but more worried about T-Pol deal he is the key to the D

Mr. Stiller
05-15-2007, 12:04 PM
im not worried so much about Fannecas deal he being in his 30s and he is kinda replaceable

but more worried about T-Pol deal he is the key to the D

I think some weird way, we can sign Faneca..

Because I have a feeling... Okobi, Tuman, Haggans, Simmons will be gone next year... Essex, Smith, Kreidwaldt, Najeh, and Wilson could all be replaced with young talent the next 2 years, leaving quite a bit of cap space.. meaning we can sign Faneca, Polamalu and Ben.

terribletowel39
05-15-2007, 12:39 PM
I think some weird way, we can sign Faneca..

Because I have a feeling... Okobi, Tuman, Haggans, Simmons will be gone next year... Essex, Smith, Kreidwaldt, Najeh, and Wilson could all be replaced with young talent the next 2 years, leaving quite a bit of cap space.. meaning we can sign Faneca, Polamalu and Ben.
all the speculating aside.......you have got to let your NFLDC boys know what you "heard"?? through this mysterious grapevine.

DeathbyStat
05-15-2007, 12:47 PM
with or without Faneca the line may struggle it has struggled for almost two years with him

mikehop05
05-15-2007, 01:43 PM
with or without Faneca the line may struggle it has struggled for almost two years with him

i agree in either case our line has to start playing better

diabsoule
05-15-2007, 03:58 PM
Here's an article from ESPN on how players are reacting to Tomlin as coach:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2870161

Sorry if this has already been posted.

DeathbyStat
05-15-2007, 06:20 PM
I think it was but its a good article

mikehop05
05-15-2007, 06:59 PM
me and tomlin both have the same birthday!

terribletowel39
05-16-2007, 01:04 PM
*HIGH FIVE*

you should give him a Boston Pancake for his birthday. that way you both enjoy it. haha

mikehop05
05-16-2007, 01:39 PM
boston pancake??

on another note, you see the pictures on steelers.com?

players look like they are enjoying themselves / tomlin

terribletowel39
05-16-2007, 02:52 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boston+pancake
and yes i agree. it looks like they get along.

mikehop05
05-16-2007, 02:56 PM
ahaha, i never knew there was a name for the thing i have been doing for years!

terribletowel39
05-16-2007, 06:25 PM
thats actually probably one of the worst ones i have ever come across. so ************* gross.

mikehop05
05-16-2007, 08:11 PM
lol yeah

i like how they ** out the word g a y but not *************

brat316
05-16-2007, 11:23 PM
wow that is stupid how the ******* are they going to do that

excanuck
05-17-2007, 07:54 AM
the best one is the angry pirate
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=angry+pirate

glennjamen3
05-17-2007, 10:38 AM
hahaha that's hilarious

terribletowel39
05-17-2007, 10:53 AM
the best one is the angry pirate
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=angry+pirate
ehh....thats such a well known one and not near as nasty as it is abusive and wrong. the boston pancake sounds like a concentual thing. the angry pirate is definetly not. not that it wouldn't be hilarious as hell if you find out the trick has been cheating. i would do it in a heart beat, but i don't think you can trump the nasty factor of the pancake.

mikehop05
05-17-2007, 11:36 AM
just imagine her hoppin around on one leg with a squinty eye, ahaha

on another note, a write up on steelers.com talks about how g a y will come in and compete right away for a 3rd / 4th corner spot, and how the steelers love his knowledge of their system (which was used some at louisville)

we may actually keep all of our picks this year

terribletowel39
05-17-2007, 11:38 AM
that would be awesome if we actually did keep all of them.

Mr. Stiller
05-17-2007, 01:02 PM
just imagine her hoppin around on one leg with a squinty eye, ahaha

on another note, a write up on steelers.com talks about how g a y will come in and compete right away for a 3rd / 4th corner spot, and how the steelers love his knowledge of their system (which was used some at louisville)

we may actually keep all of our picks this year

wasn't Neccessarily the same system.. but Louisville did run a lot of Zone Coverage last year because of the fact their LB's were nearly as fast as their CB's.

And G a y is a 4 year starter.. I think he can make an impact as a gunner and Nickel/Dime early.

By Rico.

Mr. Stiller
05-17-2007, 01:03 PM
the best one is the angry pirate
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=angry+pirate

Nothing beats the Tony Danza.

terribletowel39
05-17-2007, 01:11 PM
you guys are crazy if you think any of these beats the Boston Pancake.

glennjamen3
05-17-2007, 02:51 PM
just imagine her hoppin around on one leg with a squinty eye, ahaha

on another note, a write up on steelers.com talks about how g a y will come in and compete right away for a 3rd / 4th corner spot, and how the steelers love his knowledge of their system (which was used some at louisville)

we may actually keep all of our picks this year


yeah we really might, we have reasons to keep all of them (the only one I could see us getting rid of would be dallas baker but I hope we don't). pretty big difference from the past 2 years or so but its understandable seeing as how much change we are undergoing.


i dont know if the angry pirate can be beaten out... it has a nice touch of satisfaction and humiliation just without all the mess. I used it in a post already. Great stuff.

terribletowel39
05-17-2007, 04:12 PM
well if you go for humiliation and meanness you have to look at the strawberry cheescake.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strawberry+Cheesecake

Mr. Stiller
05-17-2007, 09:22 PM
well if you go for humiliation and meanness you have to look at the strawberry cheescake.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strawberry+Cheesecake

But nothing has the overall hilarious factor of the Tony Danza.

brat316
05-18-2007, 07:26 PM
Nah the Pirate is the best

Nut in the eye, girl covers eye,
Kick in the Shin, Girl hops up and down and grap shin and screams

Thus u have your pirate arrrhhh

Or the Avalance
nut all over them and then push them down the stairs

Fedal Castro
Light your Cigar puff a few time and insert in hole

lol My fav is the Pirate, but boston Pancakes is pretty funny

excanuck
05-18-2007, 09:03 PM
I like the angry pirate and the tony danza the best

I dunno just don't find the boston pancake that funny

brat316
05-18-2007, 09:57 PM
WHys Tony danza da boss whats so great he did,

O yeah Pancake is funny but nasty and i wouldnt try that **** at all most of the other things a plasuiable

brat316
05-24-2007, 09:16 AM
Yes we released that ducshe bag of a punter, now its a battle to see if the drafted punter can win it or will the practice squad player win it,

Man_Of_Steel
05-24-2007, 09:29 AM
The release of Gardocki pretty much locks the job for Seps, if they didnt want him to start they would have kept Gardocki for a season longer.

brat316
05-24-2007, 09:33 AM
nah what the other guys name um Barr yeah i heard they are going to duke it out but the Seps is in favor to win no matter wat becuase he was drafted unless Seps does really bad for some unkown reason

mikehop05
05-24-2007, 10:29 AM
sped has it

you dont spend a 4th rounder on a punter then dont play him

terribletowel39
05-24-2007, 11:34 AM
yea there isn't a doubt in my mind the sped will be the starting punter. Barr couldn't beat out Gardocki last year. umm....that doesn't bode well for him in my book.

Smooth Criminal
05-24-2007, 02:45 PM
Barr out punted Gardocki in camp last season. hey kept Gardocki cause he was a vet.

mikehop05
05-24-2007, 03:00 PM
yeah, and his never having a kick blocked also helped him

brat316
05-25-2007, 09:31 AM
Yo how about Rothlisbergr being paid less than his backup Charlie Batch.

Mr. Stiller
05-25-2007, 12:34 PM
Yo how about Rothlisbergr being paid less than his backup Charlie Batch.

He's still on his rookie contract.

Smooth Criminal
05-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Ben will get his money in due time. Not like he is struggling for it now tho.

Mr. Stiller
05-25-2007, 02:13 PM
Why does everyone say we're overrated and that our players are overrated, but if we lose one or someone else gets our player...

Great gain for them, or how our we going to replace such a big loss.


I'm getting annoyed. No one gives any of our players credit.

Smooth Criminal
05-25-2007, 02:21 PM
I've always wondered that and they only thing I can think of is that they figure since we are a great team every year that we cna't have that much talent and that its the scheme.

That is until a player joins on of their favorite teams.

mikehop05
05-25-2007, 03:35 PM
I've always wondered that and they only thing I can think of is that they figure since we are a great team every year that we cna't have that much talent and that its the scheme.

That is until a player joins on of their favorite teams.

yeah very true,

on another note, seems like ben is really mastering this no huddle offense

peyton 2.0 in a couple years??

Smooth Criminal
05-25-2007, 03:44 PM
I wouldn't go that far but I did read a very good article about Ben and Arians new offense. He says the two of them have been working closly on it and he likes it more than the old offense. It also says he will finally be given more responsibility in the new offense.

brat316
05-25-2007, 06:40 PM
No huddle is nice but you know the steelers are going away from their smash mouth football type of running the ball

Smooth Criminal
05-25-2007, 09:57 PM
I think everyone knew that anyway. Willie will be much more productive in a spread style offense where he will have holes to run through than if we tried to make him pound the ball like he was Bettis.

DeathbyStat
05-26-2007, 08:52 AM
Why does everyone say we're overrated and that our players are overrated, but if we lose one or someone else gets our player...

Great gain for them, or how our we going to replace such a big loss.


I'm getting annoyed. No one gives any of our players credit.

Your right and i really can't answer why this is.

DeathbyStat
05-26-2007, 08:56 AM
yeah very true,

on another note, seems like ben is really mastering this no huddle offense

peyton 2.0 in a couple years??

Is it just me or was the only time Ben played well last year was during the time we played no huddle.

mikehop05
05-26-2007, 09:23 AM
Is it just me or was the only time Ben played well last year was during the time we played no huddle.

he really did... that was all he did at miami (ohio)

DeathbyStat
05-26-2007, 03:15 PM
I like they idea of spread offense but they need to keep the balance of run and pass

Mr. Stiller
05-27-2007, 10:02 AM
I like they idea of spread offense but they need to keep the balance of run and pass

Trust me they will. I think Najeh Could be a Dominant #2 RB in a spread, he has the quick explosion, which in the Spread could allow him to break out to the fast undersized LBs or DB's and that will let him use his power.

Smooth Criminal
05-27-2007, 04:39 PM
I like they idea of spread offense but they need to keep the balance of run and pass

Just because you run a spread offense doesn't mean you have to throw the ball every play. Willie will have a field day running the ball when the defense is forced to cover 3 or 4 recievers.

brat316
05-27-2007, 11:48 PM
yeah but our wr have to be able to sustain a block long enough. And make sure those fast lb dont blow through those wr

Mr. Stiller
05-29-2007, 09:49 AM
yeah but our wr have to be able to sustain a block long enough. And make sure those fast lb dont blow through those wr

Which is why we still have Ward, the best blocking WR in the league, Zone Blocking, and Added Matt Spaeth.

brat316
05-29-2007, 08:41 PM
Anyone know how the Rookies are doing

Mr. Stiller
05-30-2007, 08:08 AM
Anyone know how the Rookies are doing

Timmons is taking it slow, he tweaked his hammy or groin, and is taking "Mental Reps".

Woodley has been playing off and on with the first team. He's a little lost but showing some real pass rushing capability.

Spaeth has pretty much supplanted Jerame Tuman as the #2 TE and he's been making some nice plays

Daniel Sepulveda has been kicking some 5.0+S hangtimes with over 60+yards.

Ryan McBean is John Mitchell's personal pet project and he's coming up to speed and showing great motor.

William *** has been being mentored by DeShea Townsend and has intercepted Ben twice, once jumping over Nate Washington and one on a fade to Holmes.

Cameron Stephenson showed he's capable of playing center in a cinch. He's Doing OK.

Dallas Baker has shown his deceptive speed and physicallity gaining seperation from DB's and making some nice touchdown Catches. He is being looked at as a future guy. I look at him as our Chris Henry without the off the field issues.

Fowler is showing Great hands and leaping ability but is slow and doesn't get much seperation. Though again he catches evertyhing.

Derrick Jones is looking like he can be a solid guy in a year or 2.

Gary Russell looks in shape and is running hard. He's almost to his Minnesota form.

Other than that I haven't heard much. But I stress it's just OTA's. No pads just helmets and they're doing walkthroughs, I'll be more in depth when I hit Training Camp.

brat316
05-31-2007, 08:55 PM
What was that email the Larry Zierlein sent out i want to know what it was

Man_Of_Steel
06-01-2007, 09:26 AM
Seps and Stephenson have both signed three year deals.

mikehop05
06-01-2007, 11:11 AM
Seps and Stephenson have both signed three year deals.

good deal

i hope they sign baker as well, i just hope he succeeds... esp. asa 7th rounder

Mr. Stiller
06-01-2007, 12:55 PM
What was that email the Larry Zierlein sent out i want to know what it was

Porn Video

Mr. Stiller
06-01-2007, 12:56 PM
good deal

i hope they sign baker as well, i just hope he succeeds... esp. asa 7th rounder

I'm guessing Spaeth and McBean next. Then Baker, then the LB's.

Though Don't sleep on Derrick Jones, Eric Fowler, Chris Jackson(KR/PR), and Cody Boyd.

Man_Of_Steel
06-04-2007, 02:30 PM
Verron Haynes has been signed to a one year deal

Smooth Criminal
06-04-2007, 02:39 PM
I don't know what to think of this signing. He'll probably get cut with Barlow and Davenport on the roster now.

Mr. Stiller
06-04-2007, 02:55 PM
I don't know what to think of this signing. He'll probably get cut with Barlow and Davenport on the roster now.

It's probably going to be Barlow or Haynes, they just added Davenport to a 2yr extension. Though Like I said in another thread..

I don't know what to make of 2 - injury prone 3rd down RB's.

brat316
06-04-2007, 09:17 PM
Any chance of making Haynes into a FB,

Mr. Stiller
06-04-2007, 11:39 PM
Any chance of making Haynes into a FB,

I've never thought of that, but it's an interesting idea, though.. Najeh was a FB at Miami....

Though Kreider is gone after next season and John Kuhn hasn't improved...

But Frankly I was pulling for Carey Davis. He was a 5'9 240lbs bowling ball. He played FB before, but he has a lot of talent. He's also faster than Verron.

Then again.. I think we need a guy Like Owen Schmidt. A more than Capable H-Back. He can play #3 TE and RB/FB as needed. No need to waste a spot on the 53-man roster when you could fill 3 spots with 1 guy.

brat316
06-05-2007, 09:20 AM
I never heard of Owen Schmidt

Mr. Stiller
06-05-2007, 01:29 PM
I never heard of Owen Schmidt

He's from West Virginia. Watch some of their games. He's quick guy for being 6'3 250+lbs. He could play FB(Natural), Short Yardage Back, Receiving Back and TE.

Basically knock Najeh off the roster.

Smooth Criminal
06-05-2007, 05:55 PM
Willie Colon took snaps at center this week as well as RT, LT, and LG. Seems Tomlin values versatility in his players.

They gave a good explanation for this on the Mark Madden show today. His guest said that teams usually only dress 7 players on game day. You get your 5 starters and 2 backups, usually a guard and tackle. He said that the Steelers don't want to be obligated to bring someone back just because he can also play backup center so they want guys like Colon, Simmons, Mahan, and Kemoeatu to all be able to play backup center.

Mr. Stiller
06-05-2007, 08:20 PM
Willie Colon took snaps at center this week as well as RT, LT, and LG. Seems Tomlin values versatility in his players.

They gave a good explanation for this on the Mark Madden show today. His guest said that teams usually only dress 7 players on game day. You get your 5 starters and 2 backups, usually a guard and tackle. He said that the Steelers don't want to be obligated to bring someone back just because he can also play backup center so they want guys like Colon, Simmons, Mahan, and Kemoeatu to all be able to play backup center.

I don't know about it anymore, and putting 2 and 2 together... Zierlein may really want Colon at Center..

Zierlein wanted a smart, quick, powerful and fiery technician... and colon is certainly fitting of that bill.. more so than mahan/Okobi

Smooth Criminal
06-06-2007, 05:52 AM
We'll see how much time her gets at center in training camp and pre season before I think he is getting a real look. At this point they're just moving guys around all over the place to see what they have available.

brat316
06-08-2007, 09:25 AM
So did anyone get cut

Mr. Stiller
06-08-2007, 09:27 AM
So did anyone get cut

Not that I heard of yet... Other than Gardocki

*Does a Dance*

steelernation77
06-08-2007, 11:02 PM
Timmons is taking it slow, he tweaked his hammy or groin, and is taking "Mental Reps".

Woodley has been playing off and on with the first team. He's a little lost but showing some real pass rushing capability.

Spaeth has pretty much supplanted Jerame Tuman as the #2 TE and he's been making some nice plays

Daniel Sepulveda has been kicking some 5.0+S hangtimes with over 60+yards.

Ryan McBean is John Mitchell's personal pet project and he's coming up to speed and showing great motor.

William *** has been being mentored by DeShea Townsend and has intercepted Ben twice, once jumping over Nate Washington and one on a fade to Holmes.

Cameron Stephenson showed he's capable of playing center in a cinch. He's Doing OK.

Dallas Baker has shown his deceptive speed and physicallity gaining seperation from DB's and making some nice touchdown Catches. He is being looked at as a future guy. I look at him as our Chris Henry without the off the field issues.

Fowler is showing Great hands and leaping ability but is slow and doesn't get much seperation. Though again he catches evertyhing.

Derrick Jones is looking like he can be a solid guy in a year or 2.

Gary Russell looks in shape and is running hard. He's almost to his Minnesota form.

Other than that I haven't heard much. But I stress it's just OTA's. No pads just helmets and they're doing walkthroughs, I'll be more in depth when I hit Training Camp.

Where do you get all of this info?

Mr. Stiller
06-09-2007, 02:10 PM
Where do you get all of this info?

Thus Far.. a combo of Ed Bouchette, Jim Wexall, and Dale Lolley..

Bouchette of the PPG and Wex/Dale of SCI.

But once Open Training Camp starts in Greensburg I should be there to give my personal observations.

steelernation77
06-09-2007, 05:25 PM
Thus Far.. a combo of Ed Bouchette, Jim Wexall, and Dale Lolley..

Bouchette of the PPG and Wex/Dale of SCI.

But once Open Training Camp starts in Greensburg I should be there to give my personal observations.

I usually try to read the PG and the Trib but it looks like I missed out on stuff.
Thanks for the update, I look forward to your Training Camp reports.

Smooth Criminal
06-09-2007, 05:55 PM
I love going to training camp practices. You get to see some guys make some plays other than the ones that the mainstream media is focusing on. I went last year and saw Anthony Madison making some great plays on our top recievers. No media outlet would have ever mentioed Madison until he got called up when Ricardo got hurt.

Another guy that looked very good last year was Scott Paxton. I think he was on the practice squad all year though.

steelernation77
06-09-2007, 06:10 PM
I love going to training camp practices. You get to see some guys make some plays other than the ones that the mainstream media is focusing on. I went last year and saw Anthony Madison making some great plays on our top recievers. No media outlet would have ever mentioed Madison until he got called up when Ricardo got hurt.

Another guy that looked very good last year was Scott Paxton. I think he was on the practice squad all year though.

I went a few years ago and enjoyed it quite a bit but its a bit of jog from Iowa to the Burgh so I can't go as much as I'd like.

DeathbyStat
06-10-2007, 01:07 PM
I went a few years ago and enjoyed it quite a bit but its a bit of jog from Iowa to the Burgh so I can't go as much as I'd like.

I go every year...it is a great time

Hines
06-10-2007, 01:09 PM
i live in arizona
and i have never seen the steelers in real life

hopefully i can this year when they come down
but im hopein that i can go up there this summer to see a practice

Mr. Stiller
06-10-2007, 09:00 PM
i live in arizona
and i have never seen the steelers in real life

hopefully i can this year when they come down
but im hopein that i can go up there this summer to see a practice

I'm serious about it, we should have the entire Steelers following there and we should hang out.

brat316
06-13-2007, 08:37 PM
Bill Cowher could have his choice of jobs, should he return. According to the Washington Times, coach Joe Gibbs could step aside at 67 with one year left on his contract if the Redskins don't rebound. There is also speculation that Browns coach Romeo Crennel and Giants coach Tom Coughlin kept their jobs so their teams could join the Cowher hunt in 2008. Coach John Fox could also be in trouble if Carolina doesn't make the playoffs.

from http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR

dont know how much truth there is in that but it would suck if he went to the Browns, i mean it is a **** hole, literary. though they did give him is start as an assistant coach, but that was a while back. The most obvious one to me is Carolina near his home. And they do have a good running back duo.

Smooth Criminal
06-13-2007, 08:51 PM
Carolina is in love with Fox and it wil take more than another bad season to get him ousted. I'm guessing the teams that will be open will be Washington, Tampa Bay, New York Giants, and Cleveland. Probably one or two more aswell.

brat316
06-14-2007, 09:29 AM
Yeah Tampa actually seems like a place he would go. Im going to throw Minn in there

Smooth Criminal
06-14-2007, 12:49 PM
The only reason I left them out was because they just hired Childress. This is only going to be his 2nd season so I'd expect him to get another chance if they have any decent season at all which is probable considering what division they play in. Plus I think they'll give him more time with a first year starting QB in Jackson.

Hines
06-14-2007, 01:04 PM
i wanna fly up to pittsburgh and try that 36 oz steak taht the bussie has

steelernation77
06-14-2007, 06:32 PM
I'm serious about it, we should have the entire Steelers following there and we should hang out.

I'm going to the University of Iowa this fall and there's a good chance that I may be going out to State College for the Hawkeye/Penn State game and then going to the Steeler/Seahawk game the next day.

Hines
06-14-2007, 08:18 PM
should i do this trade


i get hines ward

i give up javon walker

brat316
06-15-2007, 09:34 AM
thats a hard one, Pitt is changing to spread off. but we do have Holmes to streach D. and catch. We also are heavy on running, might change dont know.

Broncos have Walker as their deep man, Smith is old good but old. They have Cutler has a Qb, who might face sophmore slump. Cutler does throw a pretty ball, like the Broncos and AZ game.

this is a hard one

Smooth Criminal
06-15-2007, 11:44 AM
I'd rather have Walker for fantasy. Ward just hasn't been the same player he used to be and Walker got alot of yards and touchdowns for the Broncos lst season.

Man_Of_Steel
06-16-2007, 11:58 AM
Just got my new sig shipped in this morning, it is sweeeeet.

DeathbyStat
06-18-2007, 09:32 AM
I'm going to the University of Iowa this fall and there's a good chance that I may be going out to State College for the Hawkeye/Penn State game and then going to the Steeler/Seahawk game the next day.

I'll at the Penn State Iowa game.

mikehop05
06-19-2007, 06:13 PM
Just got my new sig shipped in this morning, it is sweeeeet.

im feelin it im feelin it

though, this erin henderson sig is sick as well you must admit

DeathbyStat
06-20-2007, 01:39 PM
Hines Ward is playing QB for Georgia against Auburn on ESPN Classic right now.

Just a heads up

Man_Of_Steel
06-20-2007, 01:47 PM
I really want to know when the NFL Networks minicamp show is gonna focus on the Steelers.

DeathbyStat
06-20-2007, 04:51 PM
I don't know...I think their done showing mini camps.

I'll be at training camp when it opens but it will probably be featured on NFL network.

Man_Of_Steel
06-21-2007, 03:27 PM
Steelers signed Hoke to a 4 year 6 million dollar deal.

terribletowel39
06-21-2007, 07:40 PM
nice. i like the signing, he proved more than worthy when hampton went down in our 15-1 season.

terribletowel39
06-21-2007, 07:46 PM
by the way, have we not signed any of the draft and UDFA guys?? i can't find any info. not that i looked that hard. but...yea the saints have signed all but meachem, so i was just curious.

Man_Of_Steel
06-21-2007, 07:57 PM
The only rookies we have signed are Seps and Stephenson.

Mr. Stiller
06-21-2007, 09:07 PM
nice. i like the signing, he proved more than worthy when hampton went down in our 15-1 season.

Exactly. 1.5 a year for a very important role player. Great signing.

Man_Of_Steel
06-21-2007, 09:32 PM
Much better than the Mahan signing.

Mr. Stiller
06-21-2007, 09:46 PM
Much better than the Mahan signing.

Depends. Word is Mahan is garbage.. he was a serviceable starter in Tampa. If Kemo gets the RG slot, Starks/Colon at RT...

If he plays center solid, with Kemo and Faneca to his sides, he should be ok.

Even if he doesn't.. the money they paid him is about the running money for a versatile G/C backup, so it's not like we broke the bank on him. \

I would love to see Colon at Center, with Kemo at RG, Starks at RT... I'm tired of our interior being owned like bitches... that would fix that.

If Colon is our "Big, smart, Versatile C", Kemo the Phonebooth, immovable RG, Starks the Mammoth RT..

If Starks shows his 2005 form, Colon plays hardnosed and violent like he does.. and Kemo slobber knocks the DT's... we' have a very formidable OL..

Add a Top notch LT and LG when Faneca leaves.. .we'll be untouchable.

Man_Of_Steel
06-21-2007, 09:48 PM
Mahan, im not a fan at all.

Mr. Stiller
06-21-2007, 09:54 PM
Mahan, im not a fan at all.

I'd rather see him play in a Steelers Jersey before I judge. It's signings like this that keep us at or near the top of the league every year.


When 8-8 is a disappointing season... You know that your team knows how to build.

If Colbert/Zierlein and Tomlin think that Mahan is the guy they need.. I believe.

brat316
06-21-2007, 10:17 PM
I just want to see hard nose running, Smash mouth football and Some crazy D, free Lancing S and DEs

Smooth Criminal
06-22-2007, 09:06 AM
I think Mahan will have the starting job at center before training camp is over. Colon wil take over for Starks at RT and Kemo will take over for Simmons at RG. Both of those changes could happen before the start of this season even. I think we'll let go of both Starks and Simmons at the end of the year.

Man_Of_Steel
06-22-2007, 09:45 AM
I think Mahan will have the starting job at center before training camp is over. Colon wil take over for Starks at RT and Kemo will take over for Simmons at RG. Both of those changes could happen before the start of this season even. I think we'll let go of both Starks and Simmons at the end of the year.

Starks have shown flashes of dominance, he'll get the oppurtunity to start.

DeathbyStat
06-22-2007, 09:56 AM
Starks have shown flashes of dominance, he'll get the oppurtunity to start.

Except against speed rushers and the whole league is going to speed rushers

mikehop05
06-22-2007, 10:43 AM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/football/bal-gaither0621,0,5408738.story?coll=bal-college-football

gaither officially academically ineligible

Mr. Stiller
06-22-2007, 10:43 AM
Except against speed rushers and the whole league is going to speed rushers

Starks effectively negated Julius Peppers 1-on-1, Charles Grant 1-on-1. Only to suck against worst DE's..

I think the issue is mainly with C/RG... if we put 2 guys in that won't get tossed around. Watch some games... Starks doesn't have amazing speed, but he normally had to chip the DT because Simmons couldn't hold up against them, and by the time he got back to the DE he's already in a no-win position.

brat316
06-22-2007, 11:13 AM
I dont know how or why athelte try and fail, you have to do good for 2 yrs. if ur that good of a ball player. Look at Portis. And you get all the free help u need

Also as anyone noticed but the AFC north is the only division where all the teams are pretty close. NFC south is kinda close, but you still have a long trip going to NO from Atl. Only far trip is for Balitmore to Cincy or Cleavland

Man_Of_Steel
06-22-2007, 12:04 PM
Except against speed rushers and the whole league is going to speed rushers

When was the last time you watched football. When lineman get beat its generally because of poor positioning. Starks is my boy.

Man_Of_Steel
06-22-2007, 01:20 PM
Polamalu is 1 of 9 players that have a 99ovr rating in Madden 08, check the Madden thread.

steelernation77
06-22-2007, 01:26 PM
im feelin it im feelin it

though, this erin henderson sig is sick as well you must admit

He needs to learn how to spell his name like a guy. Erin is a girl's name, Aaron is a boy's name.

Smooth Criminal
06-22-2007, 03:24 PM
I agree Starks should get the start the season but I don't think he will make it through the entire year. I think COlon will be put it because he is going to be the starter at RT after we most likely let go of Starks this season.

mikehop05
06-22-2007, 04:04 PM
He needs to learn how to spell his name like a guy. Erin is a girl's name, Aaron is a boy's name.

yeah because he chooses how to spell his name and everything

Mr. Stiller
06-22-2007, 05:24 PM
I agree Starks should get the start the season but I don't think he will make it through the entire year. I think COlon will be put it because he is going to be the starter at RT after we most likely let go of Starks this season.

A solid season from Starks and we could very well extend him.

We're supposed to be 34M under the cap... including next years rookie class included in that #.

We could make a splash in UFA (TERELL SUGGS PLEASE!)

UFA's I wouldn't mind adding.

Cleo Lemon, QB, Miami Dolphins ~ Replace St. Pierre and a future #2 QB.
Terell Suggs, DE/OLB, Baltimore Ravens ~ Cripple Baltimore and upgrade our ROLB Spot. Imagine... Suggs ~ Timmons ~ Foote ~ Woodley

DeathbyStat
06-22-2007, 05:28 PM
A solid season from Starks and we could very well extend him.

We're supposed to be 34M under the cap... including next years rookie class included in that #.

We could make a splash in UFA (TERELL SUGGS PLEASE!)

UFA's I wouldn't mind adding.

Cleo Lemon, QB, Miami Dolphins ~ Replace St. Pierre and a future #2 QB.
Terell Suggs, DE/OLB, Baltimore Ravens ~ Cripple Baltimore and upgrade our ROLB Spot. Imagine... Suggs ~ Timmons ~ Foote ~ Woodley

That would be truly amazing but it would never happen...the whole suggs thing that is.

Man_Of_Steel
06-22-2007, 05:32 PM
no on lemon, there are sooooooooo many qb's id rather have backing up.

suggs wont happen, we just dont do buisness like that.

Hines
06-22-2007, 06:05 PM
A solid season from Starks and we could very well extend him.

We're supposed to be 34M under the cap... including next years rookie class included in that #.

We could make a splash in UFA (TERELL SUGGS PLEASE!)

UFA's I wouldn't mind adding.

Cleo Lemon, QB, Miami Dolphins ~ Replace St. Pierre and a future #2 QB.
Terell Suggs, DE/OLB, Baltimore Ravens ~ Cripple Baltimore and upgrade our ROLB Spot. Imagine... Suggs ~ Timmons ~ Foote ~ Woodley


we get suggs imma cream my pants man
i really would love to have t sizzle and imo will be a lot better then mr porter

brat316
06-22-2007, 07:45 PM
Yeah if the let Thomas go im pretty sure they are not going to let Suggs go. Espically if Rolle, Mason and McNair decide to retire. Along with that O-line guy who keeps putting it off because Ray lewis does something to him.

Smooth Criminal
06-23-2007, 09:24 AM
I just got 4 tickets to the Steelers vs. Dolphins game on MNF off ticketmaster.

mikehop05
06-23-2007, 09:39 AM
I just got 4 tickets to the Steelers vs. Dolphins game on MNF off ticketmaster.

ah you lucky bastard

terribletowel39
06-23-2007, 11:48 AM
I just got 4 tickets to the Steelers vs. Dolphins game on MNF off ticketmaster.
that must have cost you a pretty penny.

Smooth Criminal
06-23-2007, 12:02 PM
that must have cost you a pretty penny.

Quite a few pennies. Its damn worth it though when gameday comes.

steelernation77
06-23-2007, 01:56 PM
yeah because he chooses how to spell his name and everything

I know! Seriously, the nerve of that guy...

Smooth Criminal
06-23-2007, 03:24 PM
A solid season from Starks and we could very well extend him.

We're supposed to be 34M under the cap... including next years rookie class included in that #.

We could make a splash in UFA (TERELL SUGGS PLEASE!)

UFA's I wouldn't mind adding.

Cleo Lemon, QB, Miami Dolphins ~ Replace St. Pierre and a future #2 QB.
Terell Suggs, DE/OLB, Baltimore Ravens ~ Cripple Baltimore and upgrade our ROLB Spot. Imagine... Suggs ~ Timmons ~ Foote ~ Woodley

Where did you get that 34 million number? Keep in mind that is before we extend Polamalu and Roethlisberger and those two numbers will bne pretty large. But still 34 million is a ton of money so even after those two deals get done we should still have some room to work with.

Mr. Stiller
06-23-2007, 07:45 PM
Where did you get that 34 million number? Keep in mind that is before we extend Polamalu and Roethlisberger and those two numbers will bne pretty large. But still 34 million is a ton of money so even after those two deals get done we should still have some room to work with.

IanWhetsone.com

SCI's resident cap-ologist.


Just a note, I live in Johnstown, PA... Right now I'm at a hotel right next to Dulles airport, Tomorrow we have a 6am flight to Miami, 4 hour layover....


THEN A WHOLE F'N WEEK IN JAMAICA.

I'll be in an all inclusive resort. Free Alcohol, food, and what not.. for 7 days.. If I can remember how to walk by sunday I'll be back.

Till Then

Adios.

Hines
06-24-2007, 08:11 PM
im lovin my sig man

the dynasty is the man

brat316
06-24-2007, 09:07 PM
yo i want sometin nice like dat, that is a killer sig

Mr. Stiller
07-01-2007, 11:35 PM
Wow,

disappointing that little if any conversation has been aroused since my vacation..

Updates on me:

I suffered 3rd degree burns in Jamaica.

Then we were to leave Saturday morning.

Our Original itinerary was:

9:00am departure from hotel
11:00am Arrival at Montego Bay, Jamaica Airport.
Depart at 1:00pm for Miami International.

Arrive at 2:00pm at Miami International.

4 hour lay-over at Miami. Then To Dulles Airport, Virginia, then 3 hour car ride home.


We got to the Jamaican airport to have a 5 hour delay there( Reports were bad weather, but I'm thinking it had more to do with that Scottish Airport bombing).

Got to Miami Inter'l to find out we missed our flight by 4 minutes.

4 hours waiting (It's 11pm/12am EST) in line they finally waived us to the counter to get us a Hotel Voucher.

So, we get in and ride to Don Shula's Hotel. Again, another 2 hours in line for a room.

There was 6 in our party:

My parents, My sister/Her BF, my GF and I.

The only way to get us all to Dulles around the same time was to split us in 2 groups.

My Gf/I got 1st class seats and a straight flight to Dulles at 8pm, my Parents got a 6pm flight to Atl, then onto Dulles.


They left at 4pm, we had to leave at 6pm to check in.

Our shuttle was late 5 minutes, I called. She said give him 5 more minutes.

15 minutes later, I called again. "Sorry Hun, he got lost.. give him 15 minutes"

So.. thats 6:20pm. 6:50pm rolls around and I had to waive a taxi over.



I find out upon landing in Dulles that.... my Parents flight in Atl, has been delayed. When we got our baggage... they were just about to take off.



And 1 last thing..


They put us in a upscale 4-* resort, they did indeed give us meal vouchers.

the meal vouchers were a breakfast, lunch and dinner.. per person.

Breakfast vouchers had a total value of $5 a person, Lunch/Dinner $10 a person..

anyone ever eat in a "Don Shula's Steakhouse"? It was $81 for 3 people to eat brunch.

... I'm never leaving "Stiller County", PA ever again.

brat316
07-02-2007, 11:14 AM
I cant belive i was about to read what you did on vacation i started and was like wait what am i doing

brat316
07-02-2007, 11:17 AM
Find any reffer while in Jamaica

Mr. Stiller
07-02-2007, 06:39 PM
Find any reffer while in Jamaica


Christ... $20 could have bought you a lb.

Hines
07-07-2007, 01:47 PM
we signed kr dan sheldon today

i guess he is comin in to challenge reid for kr duties or help him..hes also a reciever even though he is only 5-8 175 ish


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/459186,3_2_EL07_B1SHELDON_S1.article

Man_Of_Steel
07-07-2007, 04:58 PM
we signed kr dan sheldon today

i guess he is comin in to challenge reid for kr duties or help him..hes also a reciever even though he is only 5-8 175 ish


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/459186,3_2_EL07_B1SHELDON_S1.article

Interesting, nice find.

Smooth Criminal
07-07-2007, 08:08 PM
He has a shot at making the team. Ward, Holmes, Wilson, and Washington will all likely make the team. That leaves one or maybe two spots for the others to compete over. If Reid can't go this guy should get a long look as a return specialist.

Hines
07-07-2007, 09:46 PM
He has a shot at making the team. Ward, Holmes, Wilson, and Washington will all likely make the team. That leaves one or maybe two spots for the others to compete over. If Reid can't go this guy should get a long look as a return specialist.

i think reid will make it and the last spot will come between baker and fowler. thats if we carry 6 wrs though.i honestly think we should because i believe baker was a steal and if fowler is as good as stiller said then we have nate washington v.2. so whoever wins that battle will be the sixth reciever.i believe we should get rid of ced and keep both fowler and baker.but thats just imo


oh and 16 days

Smooth Criminal
07-08-2007, 03:21 PM
I can see Wilson being cut. If Fowler and Baker are impressive in camp the Steelers would probably love to dump Wilson's contract in favor of the cheaper Baker and Fowler.

Hines
07-08-2007, 03:22 PM
I can see Wilson being cut. If Fowler and Baker are impressive in camp the Steelers would probably love to dump Wilson's contract in favor of the cheaper Baker and Fowler.

thats what im thinking...there would be no room for the new guy anywhere

unless he is morey and only play st

Smooth Criminal
07-08-2007, 03:27 PM
If they carry Morey over Baker or Folwer I'll be dissapointed. I can understand Wilson as he has played fairly well for us since we got him, especially in the playoffs, but Morey does nothing that another random player couldn't do.

Tomlin has said we will see starters on special teams and with Sepulveda being a beast and all I don't think we will need these Special Teams Specialists.

Hines
07-08-2007, 03:29 PM
If they carry Morey over Baker or Folwer I'll be dissapointed. I can understand Wilson as he has played fairly well for us since we got him, especially in the playoffs, but Morey does nothing that another random player couldn't do.

Tomlin has said we will see starters on special teams and with Sepulveda being a beast and all I don't think we will need these Special Teams Specialists.

morey is on the cards man.....im sayin they may use sheldon as kr only...but if reid is healthy i would like to see davenport and reid back there

Smooth Criminal
07-08-2007, 03:34 PM
Wow I really had no idea we didn't have Sean Morey anymore. That makes my day because I hate Sean Morey with a passion.

Sheldon's only real shot at making the team is if Reid can't get healthy. I can see us keeping him on the practice squad as an insurance policy for if reid gets hurt again but I don't think there is any way we carry both Reid and Sheldon.

Hines
07-08-2007, 03:37 PM
Wow I really had no idea we didn't have Sean Morey anymore. That makes my day because I hate Sean Morey with a passion.

Sheldon's only real shot at making the team is if Reid can't get healthy. I can see us keeping him on the practice squad as an insurance policy for if reid gets hurt again but I don't think there is any way we carry both Reid and Sheldon.


ya i really didnt like him...he was a good st player though..i hope we keep chidi as well


sheldon i dont think he will even be on that..cuz if fowler or baker dont make the roster they are goin on the practice squad taking sheldons place.but who knows..


but i cant wait cuz its 15 days
15 days then steeler football

sucks i dont live in pittsburgh and cant get fox sports pittsburgh
maybe ill convince my mom to get direct tv so i can get that
=)

Smooth Criminal
07-08-2007, 05:35 PM
If Wilson gets cut I can see us carrying Ward, Holmes, Washington, Reid, Baker, and Fowler. Then we put Sheldon on the practice squad incase Reid gets hurt again or for whatever reason his injury acts up.

I can't wait to go to Steelers camp.

BTW, Browns ticket sale is Saturday the 21. Tickets are only 38 dollars plus whatever fee ticketmaster decides to add so anyone up for making the trip to Cleveland for opening game please do so that we can once again take over Cleveland Brown stadium.

Mr. Stiller
07-08-2007, 06:39 PM
If Wilson gets cut I can see us carrying Ward, Holmes, Washington, Reid, Baker, and Fowler. Then we put Sheldon on the practice squad incase Reid gets hurt again or for whatever reason his injury acts up.

I can't wait to go to Steelers camp.

BTW, Browns ticket sale is Saturday the 21. Tickets are only 38 dollars plus whatever fee ticketmaster decides to add so anyone up for making the trip to Cleveland for opening game please do so that we can once again take over Cleveland Brown stadium.

A Few Things.


1) Don't forget Chris Jackson is more likely to supplant Reid if he's lost.. Sheldon is slow and he's not that good.

2) I doubt they cut Wilson.. I believe this is the last season.. Reason being? Hines would be the only WR we have with over 1 year of experience.

I see Hines, Holmes, Wilson, Washington, Reid/Jackson, Fowler/Baker.

At this point.. I'd take Fowler over Baker. I'd take the Reliable hands guy over the big play guy anyday.

DeathbyStat
07-09-2007, 12:40 PM
I can see Wilson being cut. If Fowler and Baker are impressive in camp the Steelers would probably love to dump Wilson's contract in favor of the cheaper Baker and Fowler.

I really hope Wilson is cut.

I think the top three will be Hines, Santonio and Nate Washington


Who else is going to Training Camp.

I am!

Man_Of_Steel
07-09-2007, 01:03 PM
I also think Wilson should be cut. Right now all of our younger recievers can do everything Wilson does and with more explosion. Heres my opinion...

1. Ward
2. Holmes
3. Washington
4. Fowler
5. Reid
6. Baker

Hines
07-09-2007, 01:12 PM
I also think Wilson should be cut. Right now all of our younger recievers can do everything Wilson does and with more explosion. Heres my opinion...

1. Ward
2. Holmes
3. Washington
4. Fowler
5. Reid
6. Baker

switch reid and fowler and i think you got it


for some reason i want the steelers to get someone in the supp draft

even if he is an undrafted fa
just to give someone a chance you know

Smooth Criminal
07-09-2007, 05:35 PM
Steelers don't like to give up picks but I can see them trying to sign an undrafted guy.

Man_Of_Steel
07-09-2007, 05:54 PM
Yea, i really hope they hang onto their picks.

Hines
07-09-2007, 05:58 PM
Yea, i really hope they hang onto their picks.

even if its a seventh rounder

Man_Of_Steel
07-09-2007, 06:00 PM
even if its a seventh rounder

7th round in the supplemental draft is virtually inexistant.

Hines
07-09-2007, 06:01 PM
7th round in the supplemental draft is virtually inexistant.

then lets sign an undrafted free agent then

Man_Of_Steel
07-09-2007, 06:01 PM
then lets sign an undrafted free agent then

That seems to be the plan.

Hines
07-09-2007, 06:11 PM
id take mark washington outta texas state..good size (6-2 250) and he had a decent year last year

he had 3.5 sacks and 7.5 tfl

with work he could become a good linebacker imo

Mr. Stiller
07-09-2007, 07:57 PM
id take mark washington outta texas state..good size (6-2 250) and he had a decent year last year

he had 3.5 sacks and 7.5 tfl

with work he could become a good linebacker imo

I want Brandon Soi, Mark Washington, Gaither, and RoShawn Marshall.

Brandon Soi is a 3-4 DE waiting to happen.. the dude is monster strong and is good as collapsing a pocket.. 6'3 295lbs.. he is perfectly built for it.

Mark Washington is a 6'3 248 OLB from texas state. He was a high rated prospect from Arizona.. but Arizona thought he should play Nose Tackle..

Gaither.. Obviously doesn't have the strength at this point to be considered a mauler, he has amazing agility and quickness and was lock down his freshman year. Add him as the future behind Marvel Smith.

RoShawn Marshall is a 4.28-4.34 speedster like hester, except he can pay dividends at Corner, Gunner, KR, PR, and WR.

I wouldn't mind some other guys (Aaron Turner, 6'5 345lb OT.. looks like a mauling Guard to me).

Man_Of_Steel
07-09-2007, 10:02 PM
All those guys seem great now but by the time next April rolls around we want those picks.

Mr. Stiller
07-09-2007, 10:59 PM
All those guys seem great now but by the time next April rolls around we want those picks.

I doubt Washington, Soi or Marshall get drafted.. I'm looking purely signing.

As for Gaither.. He has LT Mauler Potential. We have the Worst LT in the AFCN.

We add Gaither (Over Baltimore please!).. with say a 3rd or 4th rounder..

Thats basically our top need wiped off the board. We could do this year what most of us wanted last year.

With LT of the future (Gaither will have 2 seasons to prepare behind Marvel, while tossing Essex off the roster).

Then our biggest and really only needs next offseason are.. LG, ROLB, and depth.

if we finish in the first half of the group, we can trade back. Get a ROLB and LG in the first and second round.. then the rest is luxury picks.

Smooth Criminal
07-10-2007, 09:44 AM
As good as all of that sounds I don't see us making any move to get Gaither. Plus I don't think a 4th will get him anyway. A team like Baltimore could easily throw a 3rd at him.

Hines
07-10-2007, 12:20 PM
As good as all of that sounds I don't see us making any move to get Gaither. Plus I don't think a 4th will get him anyway. A team like Baltimore could easily throw a 3rd at him.

basically its goin to be atlanta or jacksonville i think and they pick him in the third



oh and also id throw a fifth rounder at oliver if hes still there

Mr. Stiller
07-10-2007, 02:45 PM
As good as all of that sounds I don't see us making any move to get Gaither. Plus I don't think a 4th will get him anyway. A team like Baltimore could easily throw a 3rd at him.

Some random postings I made about this subject elsewhere:

I wish we could implore the FO to take Gaither in round 3.. Why?

He has LT potential. He's got the size and could be the first legitimate Franchise LT we've had. Period.

Essex isn't the future, and we only have Smith for 2 more years.. Grab Gaither, let him work behind Smith this season... then go for LT (I'm hoping Colon goes to Center..) and Have Marvel back at RT for the last season.

With that 3rd rounder, if we get him. Thats a 1st or 2nd rounder we don't have to spend next year.

Which means.. we'll be in prime condition to take the best elite 3-4 OLB Capable pass rusher in round 1. And the Best LG in round 2 (Jordan Grimes/Adam Kraus)..

That fixes the holes on the OL..

2008: Gaither - Grimes - Colon - Kemoeatu - Smith

see how Capizzi develops.. if he's RT capable.. throw him there. If not.. draft a 4th round RT. Then just add another OLB for Depth and you have 2 picks left for BPA.

It makes perfect sense. I think Marvel did great for us in his career. But if Joe Thomas is solid then we have the #4 LT in the division, and thats going to hurt.. especially when Faneca leaves. If we can get a dominant Ogden, Jones like LT.. We should be making every attempt to do it.


Wex I think you said it best.. our overrated Olined of the past two years was exposed last season.. We need to win the trenches.. and with our LB's.. both groups have grown weaker and have been ignored with new talent.


Another route (0.1% chance) is we not only draft Gaither.. but we also steal away Terell Suggs from Baltimore.

Give us the best Pass rusher in the division.. cripples Baltimore.. add that to a franchise LT.. would make up for an even greater offseason.

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I am always under the assumption that you want a big mauler type for RT.

Less Demanding Athletically.. Yes, but more demanding Physically.

Gaither is an Athletic Specimen.. I think having a red shirt Season behind Marvel should Prepare him for 08 and Let Marvel move to the less athletically demanding RT spot.

It shouldn't take Gaither more than a season to be ready to play LT. Some upper body strength and some coaching.. But he's not underweight, and he's not undersized. Agility and Athleticism are bar none. A 5.00 40 for a 330lb 6'9 LT? He's in shape, The sad thing, he can get better.

Gaither at LT in a Season, Give Marvel one last season at RT. Draft a guy to Compete with Capizzi/Essex for RT in 09.


Our draft in My eyes would basically...


1) Harvey/Blake
2) Grimes/Kraus
3) Gaither
4) RT
5) DE/OLB
6) BPA (ILB/CB)
7) BPA (NT/WR)..

With that....

1) Tommy Blake, DE/OLB, TCU ~ Getting Gaither allows us to add yet another talented Pass rusher to our repetoire... Merriman and Phillips have nothing on Blake/Woodley.

2) Jordan Grimes, LG, Purdue ~ A Mauler with an upgrade in pass blocking skills Should make a nice addition to add some youth to our OL.

**3) Jared Gaither, LT, Maryland ~ With a year already logged, should be ready to step in and be an elite LT, one we've done without for a long time.. I could only imagine us with a very dominant OL.

4) Jeff Otah, OT/OG, Pittsburgh ~ Otah is a lock down LT and he's only getting better. He may likely be a day one pick. But he could be a monster RG/RT swingman, and he's only getting better.

5) Chase Ortiz, DE/OLB, TCU ~ Tommy Blakes counterpart and equally as impressive. I think adding him will give us more talented depth at OLB.. A Youth infusion and sure's up any real issues.

6) Ben Moffit, ILB/OLB, South Florida ~ at 6'2 240 he has NFL Size, and he's the quarterback of SF's defense. He flies around the field and he's a solid tackler. Supplant Kriedwaldt, gives us a solid Special teamer and depth.

7) Kentwan Balmer, DT/DE, North Carolina ~ 6'5 300lb bad boy who has the speed to play 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, and the power to play NT. He's a penetrator and would be good backup at 34DE/34NT and as an interior passrusher next to hoke in 4-3 sets.

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1) We're in dire need of OL Help. Our LT is the #4 LT in the division. It's tough in this division to have the worst LT. Our only 2 reliable OL are gone in the next 2 seasons.. Faneca next offseason and Smith the following.

With so many questions, Gaither could be an answer. Between you and I we never saw eye-to-eye on Staley but this is a middle ground. Your opinion was he lacked the upperbody strength and size to match up against Passrushers. Well Gaither has both of it, and he's just as athletic as Staley is. the best of what we both wanted.

2) We're going to need to take a LT next offseason anyways. I don't want to have to see the franchise pull a Tennessee and gut itself to rebuild. We need an LT and LG. If Gaither falls to round 3? He's a great pick considering he would've been likely a round 1-2 pick and he has barely scratched the potential. I just don't know what else to do for our oline. I see our weaknesses being ignored like it was at LB the last few years.


When Gildon left, we never drafted a replacement and merely relied on UDFA's to give us solid depth. Up until Porter/Haggans.. we were always adding 1 guy a year atleast..



My dream scenario would be to draft Gaither with a third.. get him ready for LT... and Sign Terell Suggs next offseason. He'll come in ready to start immediately.

We get a LT of the future, we cripple the ratbirds and we have a premier Pass rusher, who has plenty of years. Not to mention thats 2 positions we don't have to draft in the 1st next year.. meaning round 1 or 2 could be a luxury pick (WR/RB/CB)




I know it's a longshot, but if the FO ignores the fact we only have 2 consistent and reliable OL, and they're leaving in consecutive years, at the most vital of OL Positions.... then we're doomed to be the Browns for about 3-5 years.

Smooth Criminal
07-10-2007, 04:42 PM
I am a big fan of the idea of draft Gaither. I just don't think it will happen. If we could get him I'd love to see him start at LT next season, Colon to RT, Kemoeatu to RG, Mahan to C, let go of Simmons, Starks, Faneca, and cut Smith.

Smooth Criminal
07-10-2007, 04:45 PM
I heard Mark Madden talking about the Steelers and Troy being close on an extension. He said he thinks it will be for 6 years and 30-35 million.

Mr. Stiller
07-10-2007, 05:18 PM
I am a big fan of the idea of draft Gaither. I just don't think it will happen. If we could get him I'd love to see him start at LT next season, Colon to RT, Kemoeatu to RG, Mahan to C, let go of Simmons, Starks, Faneca, and cut Smith.

I would put Marvel at RT for one last seasons.

Gaither ~ Colon/2008 Draft pick ~ Mahan ~ Kemoeatu ~ Smith


I'd rather have Colon at LG than a rookie. However..

2009 :

Gaither ~ 2008 Rookie ~ Colon ~ Kemo ~ Capizzi or 2008 rookie.

that would be my hopes. Young and very talented OL.


As for Polamalu... Rumor has it that it and Woodley should be the next 2 deals done.

if it's 6 years for 35M we just stole troy. He's worth more but he's a humble guy.

That will probably give us around the projected 32-36M next offseason... more than enough to sign Suggs.

Hines
07-10-2007, 05:48 PM
I would put Marvel at RT for one last seasons.

Gaither ~ Colon/2008 Draft pick ~ Mahan ~ Kemoeatu ~ Smith


I'd rather have Colon at LG than a rookie. However..

2009 :

Gaither ~ 2008 Rookie ~ Colon ~ Kemo ~ Capizzi or 2008 rookie.

that would be my hopes. Young and very talented OL.


As for Polamalu... Rumor has it that it and Woodley should be the next 2 deals done.

if it's 6 years for 35M we just stole troy. He's worth more but he's a humble guy.

That will probably give us around the projected 32-36M next offseason... more than enough to sign Suggs.



i would seriously cream my pants if we get suggs but do you honestly think we will?

Mr. Stiller
07-10-2007, 09:18 PM
i would seriously cream my pants if we get suggs but do you honestly think we will?

Honestly.. No, but we have $32M+ in cap room next offseason, we certainly have the cap and space to do it.

Adding Gaither and Suggs basically fix our oline and LBs..

all we'd need is an LG, RT, ROLB depth (Haggans), RILB Depth (Kreidwaldt), RB depth, and possibly either a round 2 WR/CB.

2008 OL:

Gaither ~ Colon ~ Mahan ~ Kemo ~ Smith
Capizzi ~ Rookie ~ Phillip ~ Stephenson ~ Essex/Rookie

2008 LB: (Left to right)

Woodley ~ Foote ~ Timmons ~ Suggs
Rookie ~ Wallace ~ Rookie ~ Harrison

In 09.. just bump mahan to LG/OC Swingman, Move Colon to Center and move LG (Grimes/Kraus) to starter. Either Capizzi or Rookie will play RT

Smooth Criminal
07-11-2007, 09:13 AM
As much as I would love to sign Suggs it just isn't going to happen. Sure we have plentty of room to do it and it would be awesome for our team, someone will definately be willing to fork out more than us.

I want Gaither tommorow. I'd be willing to go to a 2nd for us.

Mr. Stiller
07-11-2007, 10:10 AM
As much as I would love to sign Suggs it just isn't going to happen. Sure we have plentty of room to do it and it would be awesome for our team, someone will definately be willing to fork out more than us.

I want Gaither tommorow. I'd be willing to go to a 2nd for us.

I don't think Gaither has collegiate production to warrant a 2nd.

Though if Atlanta thinks he's worth a 4th I'll throw out a 3rd.


Rumor has it that we're looking heavily at Nebraska OT Chris Patrick to play behind Faneca this season.

Hines
07-11-2007, 10:45 AM
I don't think Gaither has collegiate production to warrant a 2nd.

Though if Atlanta thinks he's worth a 4th I'll throw out a 3rd.


Rumor has it that we're looking heavily at Nebraska OT Chris Patrick to play behind Faneca this season.


what would we give up? and where would we find that rumor at

Hines
07-11-2007, 11:50 AM
we also brought in running back larry croom for some competition for training camp

he will get cut but it is nice to bring in some comp for our team

Smooth Criminal
07-11-2007, 02:56 PM
I don't think Gaither has collegiate production to warrant a 2nd.

Though if Atlanta thinks he's worth a 4th I'll throw out a 3rd.


Rumor has it that we're looking heavily at Nebraska OT Chris Patrick to play behind Faneca this season.


I don't think anyone will go higher than a 3rd but I can see him going higher than our pick.

Mr. Stiller
07-11-2007, 03:12 PM
what would we give up? and where would we find that rumor at

Patrick is probably a 5th-7th rounder.. which is great because he's a solid swingman at LG/LT... I wanted to use a third, but now using a 5-7 round pick allows us to go DE/OLB, LT and then a luxury pick (LB/RB/WR/CB)

Hines
07-12-2007, 11:35 AM
any news on who we will select???

Man_Of_Steel
07-12-2007, 11:37 AM
any news on who we will select???

we will kniow within an hour or two.

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:31 PM
Well we struck out on Gaither.

Could've had a Franchise LT for a 5th rounder.

Hines
07-12-2007, 01:32 PM
Well we struck out on Gaither.

Could've had a Franchise LT for a 5th rounder.

ya thats kinda bogus but oh well..did we get patrick

BrownsTown
07-12-2007, 01:34 PM
Well we struck out on Gaither.

Could've had a Franchise LT for a 5th rounder.

Well, that's just too bad Steelers fans, good luck with your 2007 season!

Hines
07-12-2007, 01:35 PM
Well, that's just too bad Steelers fans, good luck with your 2007 season!

ya well youll still be in last place so its all good

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:36 PM
ya thats kinda bogus but oh well..did we get patrick

No word yet.. I'm not expecting much frankly. We missed Gaither.. anything else other than Soi or Washington is rather worthless.

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:36 PM
Well, that's just too bad Steelers fans, good luck with your 2007 season!

We've never had a "Great" Franchise LT. Marvel Smith is probably #2 to Jon Kolb.. Neither was great.

BrownsTown
07-12-2007, 01:37 PM
ya well youll still be in last place so its all good

Hey, the offseason is the only time I CAN brag. Most Browns fans are silent with the bragging during the season, because we suck.

But we won't this year! I hope...

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:38 PM
Hey, the offseason is the only time I CAN brag. Most Browns fans are silent with the bragging during the season, because we suck.

But we won't this year! I hope...

Well Congratulations BT, there's still hope.. you guys haven't run out of it the past 40 years....

BrownsTown
07-12-2007, 01:39 PM
We've never had a "Great" Franchise LT. Marvel Smith is probably #2 to Jon Kolb.. Neither was great.

I hated seeing Gaither go to the Ravens though. That sucked.

But we have Joe Thomas!

Hines
07-12-2007, 01:39 PM
Hey, the offseason is the only time I CAN brag. Most Browns fans are silent with the bragging during the season, because we suck.

But we won't this year! I hope...

ya that is true u guys can only brag in the offseason.....so have fun while u can untill yall go 3-13 again

BrownsTown
07-12-2007, 01:39 PM
Well Congratulations BT, there's still hope.. you guys haven't run out of it the past 40 years....

We had a 4 year futility break. That helped.

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:40 PM
We had a 4 year futility break. That helped.

Futility break? You were hoping to get another Football Franchise, that you could hope to win something.

That sounds like over stressing than under stressing.

BrownsTown
07-12-2007, 01:42 PM
Futility break? You were hoping to get another Football Franchise, that you could hope to win something.

That sounds like over stressing than under stressing.

Well, at least they weren't losing...

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:42 PM
Supp Draft is over... only Gaither and Oliver were selected.

Hines
07-12-2007, 01:42 PM
Supp Draft is over... only Gaither and Oliver were selected.

you think well sign patrick

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 01:49 PM
you think well sign patrick

I have no idea.

I think we should Sign Brian Soi, Mark Washington and Patrick..

But I also thought they'd see the need for a LT and give up atleast a 5th rounder for Gaither.

Man_Of_Steel
07-12-2007, 01:55 PM
you think well sign patrick

All I've heard week long is that Pittsburgh will be his destination.

Watch out for Roshawn, I think he's really a darkhorse for us.

S4L
07-12-2007, 02:00 PM
T-R-O-L-L. It's cool when it's all in good fun, but that stuff was textbook.

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 02:06 PM
T-R-O-L-L. It's cool when it's all in good fun, but that stuff was textbook.

S4L .... BT isn't a bad Fan, he's a good guy.. don't take him personally.

I still want Soi and RoShawn. Perhaps even Patrick and Washington.

Man_Of_Steel
07-12-2007, 02:06 PM
Really seems like this year the steelers are bringing in competition for kick returning, thats why I wouldnt be surprised if Roshawn Turner was invited to camp.

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Really seems like this year the steelers are bringing in competition for kick returning, thats why I wouldnt be surprised if Roshawn Turner was invited to camp.

He does have supposed Character questions (Kicked off his college team and the CFL stampeders).

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 02:10 PM
SF took Mark Washington.

S4L
07-12-2007, 02:36 PM
S4L .... BT isn't a bad Fan, he's a good guy.. don't take him personally.

I still want Soi and RoShawn. Perhaps even Patrick and Washington.

Believe me, I don't have anything against the guy. He can post in here whenever he wants. But when he makes a post just to provoke you guys, well, that's trolling.

Anyway, back to the Supplemental Draft.

Hines
07-12-2007, 02:37 PM
Believe me, I don't have anything against the guy. He can post in here whenever he wants. But when he makes a post just to provoke you guys, well, that's trolling.

i found it funny...if it was the ravens then ya i would be mad...but it was a browns fan,aint nuttin to be worried about

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 02:40 PM
Believe me, I don't have anything against the guy. He can post in here whenever he wants. But when he makes a post just to provoke you guys, well, that's trolling.

Anyway, back to the Supplemental Draft.

He's not provoking.. He's playing around. I've talked to him for over a year now.. It's just his way of screwing around. Don't take it as a provocation.

Smooth Criminal
07-12-2007, 06:03 PM
He's a Browns fan. Let him have fun before he team starts out 0-1.

BrownsTown
07-12-2007, 06:07 PM
Believe me, I don't have anything against the guy. He can post in here whenever he wants. But when he makes a post just to provoke you guys, well, that's trolling.

Anyway, back to the Supplemental Draft.

I know Mr. Stiller, I was just messing with him. I got no problems with friendly Steeler fans. Friendly Ratbird fans on the other hand...

S4L
07-12-2007, 10:04 PM
I know Mr. Stiller, I was just messing with him. I got no problems with friendly Steeler fans. Friendly Ratbird fans on the other hand...

And that's fine. But you always have to watch out. If a mod or an admin comes along, they may see it as trolling like I did, and give you an infraction. And that's never good.

brat316
07-12-2007, 11:01 PM
Ratbird fan he is a pigeon fan wat team is that

BrownsTown
07-13-2007, 12:08 AM
Ratbird fan he is a pigeon fan wat team is that

Ummm...Ravens...

Man_Of_Steel
07-13-2007, 12:09 AM
Ratbird fan he is a pigeon fan wat team is that

Bird + Division= Ravens.

DeathbyStat
07-13-2007, 12:22 AM
Hey, the offseason is the only time I CAN brag. Most Browns fans are silent with the bragging during the season, because we suck.

But we won't this year! I hope...

I don't go in the browns forum and I'm pretty no other steeler fan does so why can't you just stay out of here

Man_Of_Steel
07-13-2007, 12:23 AM
I don't go in the browns forum and I'm pretty no other steeler fan does so why can't you just stay out of here

Calm down there slugger.

DeathbyStat
07-13-2007, 12:19 PM
No big deal i'm not hot it just an internet message board for god sakes...i just have no need to venture into a Browns forum.

skarocksoi
07-13-2007, 07:00 PM
Just like no one ever has a need to venture into Cleveland......



BA-ZING!

BrownsTown
07-13-2007, 07:03 PM
No big deal i'm not hot it just an internet message board for god sakes...i just have no need to venture into a Browns forum.

Dude, it's not like I'm hurting anyone.

Man_Of_Steel
07-13-2007, 07:03 PM
Just like no one ever has a need to venture into Cleveland......



BA-ZING!

Thats not true. They have the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Also what if people have family there, they will obviously visit them every so-often. Also people have to drive through Cleveland to get places.

S4L
07-14-2007, 03:09 PM
Thats not true. They have the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Also what if people have family there, they will obviously visit them every so-often. Also people have to drive through Cleveland to get places.

Actually, there's a new MapQuest option that solves that little problem.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2995/avoidclemx0.jpg

Smooth Criminal
07-14-2007, 04:36 PM
HAHAHAHA

Now no one has a reason to go to Cleveland. only time I ever plan to make that journey is opening day this year.

skarocksoi
07-15-2007, 10:01 AM
I'm just kidding. I have family in Cleveland so I go there every now and then. Although, bashing Cleveland is a steadfast Pittsburgh tradition, like Primantis, Iron City Beer, or putting french fries on just about everything. That Mapquest thing is absolutely hilarious though and I just set it as my background now.

BrownsTown
07-15-2007, 11:27 AM
Actually, there's a new MapQuest option that solves that little problem.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2995/avoidclemx0.jpg

Ok, I love Cleveland and even I found that hilarious.

Smooth Criminal
07-16-2007, 06:47 PM
Anyone see the contract Cory Redding got today? We need a ton of money to sign Hampton now as his contract is up in 2 years I believe.

So with Troy getting done this year we will have Ben, Hampton, and Ward next year. Looks like we will be forking out some money next offseason. Hampton and Ben will both command huge deals while I can actually see ward being let go.

mikehop05
07-16-2007, 08:24 PM
Anyone see the contract Cory Redding got today? We need a ton of money to sign Hampton now as his contract is up in 2 years I believe.

So with Troy getting done this year we will have Ben, Hampton, and Ward next year. Looks like we will be forking out some money next offseason. Hampton and Ben will both command huge deals while I can actually see ward being let go.


ward again?

before i start thinking about what i want done, can you specify what you mean in next year / 2 years?

like end of 07 / 08 season (this upcomming year)
or end of 08 / 09 (next)

Man_Of_Steel
07-16-2007, 09:29 PM
Anyone see the contract Cory Redding got today? We need a ton of money to sign Hampton now as his contract is up in 2 years I believe.

So with Troy getting done this year we will have Ben, Hampton, and Ward next year. Looks like we will be forking out some money next offseason. Hampton and Ben will both command huge deals while I can actually see ward being let go.

Its the rate of change, by next year that wont be the highest DT salary and why on earth would we let go of Ward, that makes no sense at all.

brat316
07-16-2007, 10:00 PM
Yeah next year we will have more space, more player with higher salaries, like Jenkins might play this year out, next year He get a ton of money, Hampton may want something along that line then

Mr. Stiller
07-16-2007, 10:02 PM
Anyone see the contract Cory Redding got today? We need a ton of money to sign Hampton now as his contract is up in 2 years I believe.

So with Troy getting done this year we will have Ben, Hampton, and Ward next year. Looks like we will be forking out some money next offseason. Hampton and Ben will both command huge deals while I can actually see ward being let go.

We have 34M in cap room next offseason. We could actually sign.. Hampton, Ward, Faneca, Ben and Polamalu and still have nearly 10-15M in cap room.

Mr. Stiller
07-16-2007, 10:07 PM
For those of you that are curious. Here is our Free Agency Outlook.

2008(Post 2007 season):

Pos Player Name FA Status

QB Brian St. Pierre UFA
FB Dan Kreider UFA
OG Alan Faneca UFA
OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA
OT Trai Essex RFA
OT Max Starks UFA
DL Nick Eason UFA
CB Chidi Iwuoma UFA
SS Troy Polamalu UFA

2009:

Pos Player Name FA Status
QB Charlie Batch UFA
RB Najeh Davenport UFA
WR Cedrick Wilson UFA
OT Willie Colon RFA
OT Marvel Smith UFA
LB Clint Kriewaldt UFA

2010:

Pos Player Name FA Status
QB Ben Roethlisberger UFA
WR Hines Ward UFA
TE Heath Miller UFA
PK Jeff Reed UFA
P Daniel Sepulveda RFA
OG Kendall Simmons UFA
OG Cameron Stephenson RFA
C Chukky Okobi UFA
DL Brett Keisel UFA
LB Larry Foote UFA
LB James Harrison UFA
CB Deshea Townsend UFA
SS Tyrone Carter UFA
FS Ryan Clark UFA

2011:

Pos Player Name FA Status
DL Chris Hoke UFA
CB Ike Taylor UFA


I know this isn't 100% correct. But it's all I could find.

Smooth Criminal
07-16-2007, 10:32 PM
Signing Ben, Hampton, Ward, Troy, and Faneca to the deals that they deserve would easily put us in cap hell in just 3 years. 5 deals the magnitude of what these guys will command is exactly the reason why Porter is gone and Faneca is aswell.

Our cap next year would be able to handle it but its the seasons after that that would pose bigger problems if we did sign all five of those guys.

Isn't Simmons deal done after this year and Ward's after the 08 season?

Geo
07-16-2007, 10:42 PM
I've been wondering how aggressive the Steelers will be in re-siging Polamalu, given his disturbing history with concussions. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Mr. Stiller
07-17-2007, 12:06 AM
I've been wondering how aggressive the Steelers will be in re-siging Polamalu, given his disturbing history with concussions. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

He's almost signed... 5-6 years 35M

Man_Of_Steel
07-17-2007, 11:19 AM
Signing Ben, Hampton, Ward, Troy, and Faneca to the deals that they deserve would easily put us in cap hell in just 3 years. 5 deals the magnitude of what these guys will command is exactly the reason why Porter is gone and Faneca is aswell.

Our cap next year would be able to handle it but its the seasons after that that would pose bigger problems if we did sign all five of those guys.

Isn't Simmons deal done after this year and Ward's after the 08 season?

As I asked on the prior page, please explain how cutting Hines Ward makes any sense at all.

Hines
07-17-2007, 11:20 AM
As I asked on the prior page, please explain how cutting Hines Ward makes any sense at all.

they cut hines ward i will cry myself to sleep

Man_Of_Steel
07-17-2007, 02:57 PM
they cut hines ward i will cry myself to sleep

There is no logic behind that move what-so-ever.

Smooth Criminal
07-17-2007, 03:19 PM
Not cutting Ward but simply letting him go when his contract is done.

I don't think anyone here is going to try to argue that Ward is even as close to as good as he once was. He dropped alot of balls last year and I don't even think his blocking was as up to par as it usually is. Plus he will be 2 years older by the time his contract is up and even slower. Plus we will have to have money to resign other guys that are still hitting the prime of their career.

He might even be ready to retire by then. Not resigning him is definately not an absurd idea in any way. I'd rather lose a guy like Ward than a Ben, Troy, or Hampton.

Man_Of_Steel
07-17-2007, 03:23 PM
Not cutting Ward but simply letting him go when his contract is done.

I don't think anyone here is going to try to argue that Ward is even as close to as good as he once was. He dropped alot of balls last year and I don't even think his blocking was as up to par as it usually is. Plus he will be 2 years older by the time his contract is up and even slower. Plus we will have to have money to resign other guys that are still hitting the prime of their career.

He might even be ready to retire by then. Not resigning him is definately not an absurd idea in any way. I'd rather lose a guy like Ward than a Ben, Troy, or Hampton.

This has no logic at all. The Steelers wil resign Ward and he will continue to be a great WR for us. I dont see your point at all, how would letting Ward go help us at all and how would keeping him hurt us?

Hines
07-17-2007, 03:44 PM
according to rotoworld,the steelers and timmons will most likely have a deal done before camp

DeathbyStat
07-17-2007, 03:47 PM
according to rotoworld,the steelers and timmons will most likely have a deal done before camp

I sure hope so Rosenhaus is trouble...but he may not be trouble until the second contract

Man_Of_Steel
07-17-2007, 05:02 PM
I sure hope so Rosenhaus is trouble...but he may not be trouble until the second contract

Rosenhaus said when Timmons was drafted that he would report on time.

Geo
07-17-2007, 05:04 PM
Keep in mind that the first 1st round pick signed this year, Greg Olsen, is also a client of Rosenhaus.

Man_Of_Steel
07-17-2007, 05:23 PM
Keep in mind that the first 1st round pick signed this year, Greg Olsen, is also a client of Rosenhaus.

Im not worried at all about Timmons reporting on-time.

Mr. Stiller
07-17-2007, 08:41 PM
Not cutting Ward but simply letting him go when his contract is done.

I don't think anyone here is going to try to argue that Ward is even as close to as good as he once was. He dropped alot of balls last year and I don't even think his blocking was as up to par as it usually is. Plus he will be 2 years older by the time his contract is up and even slower. Plus we will have to have money to resign other guys that are still hitting the prime of their career.

He might even be ready to retire by then. Not resigning him is definately not an absurd idea in any way. I'd rather lose a guy like Ward than a Ben, Troy, or Hampton.

I figure Ward has made enough money that by the time he ocmes to his next contract he will take the pay cut and be used as a #2/#3. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the oldest WR to ever play for the league. I think he could play 12-18 years if his body holds up.

Smooth Criminal
07-17-2007, 10:48 PM
This has no logic at all. The Steelers wil resign Ward and he will continue to be a great WR for us. I dont see your point at all, how would letting Ward go help us at all and how would keeping him hurt us?

By the time his contract is up he will be even older and slower. Ward isn't a top reciever anymore and he still wants to be paid like one.

We can spend money more wisely than on a guy like Ward, who two years from now, will be slower and worse than he is now.

By the time his contract is up Holmes will be a better reciever than him, if he isn't already.

Smooth Criminal
07-17-2007, 10:50 PM
I figure Ward has made enough money that by the time he ocmes to his next contract he will take the pay cut and be used as a #2/#3. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the oldest WR to ever play for the league. I think he could play 12-18 years if his body holds up.

I doubt it.

Most players don't like to take pay cuts just because they know they are getting older. Fact is Ward held out for his last contract and I'm not expecting him to come around with this selfless all for the team attitude that he should take a pay cut.

And I would be greatly shocked if Ward was anywhere near the oldest reciever to ever play for the league. He has had a ton of knee problems and will probably have even more which should shorten his career greatly.

Man_Of_Steel
07-17-2007, 11:01 PM
By the time his contract is up he will be even older and slower. Ward isn't a top reciever anymore and he still wants to be paid like one.

We can spend money more wisely than on a guy like Ward, who two years from now, will be slower and worse than he is now.

By the time his contract is up Holmes will be a better reciever than him, if he isn't already.

By the time Wards contract is up he will be paid correctly. Dont put words in Wards mouth "he still wants to be paid like one". What are you his agent. You make it seem like in 2 years Ward will be on a cane. He is still a top 15 wr in the league and 2 years from now he will still be at worst top 50.

Your arguement aginst Ward seems more to me like you just dont like him rather than an actual proposal.

S4L
07-18-2007, 05:24 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07199/802384-66.stm

It looks like Polamalu will be getting his new contract.

DeathbyStat
07-18-2007, 07:33 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07199/802384-66.stm

It looks like Polamalu will be getting his new contract.

I hope thats the truth

mikehop05
07-18-2007, 09:11 AM
also says we signed dallas baker

could this be the year we sign all of our draft picks???

*gasp*

Sgt Pepper
07-18-2007, 09:40 AM
By the time Wards contract is up he will be paid correctly. Dont put words in Wards mouth "he still wants to be paid like one". What are you his agent. You make it seem like in 2 years Ward will be on a cane. He is still a top 15 wr in the league and 2 years from now he will still be at worst top 50.

Your arguement aginst Ward seems more to me like you just dont like him rather than an actual proposal.

Hines Ward was once a top reciever. He possibly could have had the most reliable hands in the league 2 years ago. Now however, he's not even close. Ward is probably the slowest #1 reciever in the league and his hands were not as reliable last year as they were in the past. This year Ward will be a solid starting WR, by no means a superstar at all. He's not even close to as good as his reputation leads people to believe.

Some people believe Ward has added value because he is a self proclaimed "team leader". Fact is he's not a team player or a good leader. He always has something to complain about and makes sure everyone knows. Ward will be a problem all year and the distractions he causes may outweigh his average play on the field.

Smooth Criminal
07-18-2007, 10:05 AM
By the time Wards contract is up he will be paid correctly. Dont put words in Wards mouth "he still wants to be paid like one". What are you his agent. You make it seem like in 2 years Ward will be on a cane. He is still a top 15 wr in the league and 2 years from now he will still be at worst top 50.

Your arguement aginst Ward seems more to me like you just dont like him rather than an actual proposal.

Let me just start by saying Ward is not a top 15 reciever in the league right now.

Ward has always been a selfish player. I don't know where this image of him being a team player came from. He is always bitching about something and he held out for a bigger contract. He isn't going tom just say "You know what, I'm old and not good now so I'm going to take a pay cut." Players just don't do that.

And no I don't like Ward at all. He is a whiny ***** and he isn't as good as he used to be. Definately not a top 15 reciever as you keep saying.

Smooth Criminal
07-18-2007, 10:09 AM
15 recievers I would take over Hines Ward

1. Chad Johnson
2. Marvin Harrison
3. Reggie Wayne
4. Larry Fitzgerald
5. Anquan Bolden
6. Roy Williams
7. Steve Smith
8. Tory Holt
9. Andre Johnson
10. Javon Walker
11. Issac Bruce
12. Marques Colston
13. Donald Driver
14. TJ Houshmanzadah
15. Plaxico Burress

And there are plentty of others I could have put there. These are just the first 15 that came to my head.