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Mr. Stiller
11-09-2006, 05:08 AM
Talk up dem Stillers....

Mr. Stiller
11-09-2006, 05:14 AM
2 Recent Changes.

Santonio Holmes moves up the Depth Chart to #2..

Ike Taylor goes from #1 Cb... to Dimeback.. Obviously Cowher has lost his mind.

He benches Ike Taylor... When kendall Simmons, Max Starks and Joey Porter all need benched.

skarocksoi
11-09-2006, 08:37 AM
I fell in love with ike last year, but this year he hasnt played well at all this year, and has mostly been outplayed by Deshea. Ike is a pretty competetive guy though, so I'm guessing this is a temporary thing to motivate Ike to step up his game back to where it was last year. Hopefully it will send a message to the rest of the guys who aren't doing well that they can and will get benched too if they dont start producing.

I think moving Santonio up isnt that bad. He's shown to be pretty explosive when given the chance, and he doesn't try to hold out the ball and score a touchdown from the 5 and fumble it like cedric wilson did. Maybe this will give us a little spark on offense that we are severely lacking.

steel man
11-09-2006, 09:26 AM
does this mean Washington is the 3rd WR or Wilson?

Smooth Criminal
11-09-2006, 09:45 AM
Holmes moving up to #2 is a great thing. He has way more talent than either Wilson or Washington. He's mlooked pretty good when on the field lined up at reciever. Hopefully he'll be able to be a good deep threat to try and open up the run game a little bit more.

I don't like Ike being benched. Sure he hasn't played as good this year as he did last year but he isn't playing that bad. Plus McFadden hasn't looked any better.

I can't believe they are still letting Simmons play. Kemoeatu looked better than him. Starks needs benched as well but we don't have anyone to put in over him so I guess we'll have to deal.

DeathbyStat
11-09-2006, 10:08 AM
Did Cowher really expect that he could cover Javon Walker one on one with no saftey help? This seems to me to be more of a statement than an actual benching as you need 2 corners on most NFL downs. Mcfadden has played well any time he has been on the field but to place him and Townsend as the as the two starters is ********. As Townsend has been burned worse than any one this year. Plus they gave Ike a four year contract extension, that proved they had faith in him, now after a sub par stretch all the faith is gone what gives? Ike is really solid and he has shut down players like Marvin Harrison and Chad Johnson in the past. Hell he had an INT in the super bowl abd the AFC championship he should be givin time to play threw this ruff patch.

Smooth Criminal
11-09-2006, 12:51 PM
I don't like benching Ike but they had to do something. They gave up 2 TD's on 3rd and 10. The run defense did their job and it seemed any time Plummer threw the ball our corners were out of position.

I don't think switching Ike out is going to do anything but they almost had to do something after how bad the corners played last week. Personally I would have dropped Townsend to nickleback.

Sgt Pepper
11-09-2006, 01:10 PM
Very good idea to have Santonio Holmes starting opposite Hines Ward. Even after not getting many opportunities early in the year Holmes has put up pretty good numbers for the season midpoint. If he doubles those stats it would be a good year for a rookie WR. I think he will do better.

Very bad idea to drop Ike Taylor from a starting role. He had an awful game last week but actually has not had a bad year. He has played well this year against every teams number one reciever. Taylor would be having a pro-bowl type season if he could only catch the ball.

Mr. Stiller
11-09-2006, 01:27 PM
I don't disagree with the Bumping up of Holmes.

Ike Taylor has atleast put effort in.

Which is why i'm upset we basically bench him, and not Simmons and Starks or Porter who have been Jokes this year.

Porter is playing rediculously bad football. More mouth, less production.

Simmons gets thrown around like a ragdoll, clearly every game the Keomeatu has played in he's outplayed Simmons.

As for Starks, Put Colon in, He's more stout, and more athletic, and Fine Starks every game he shows up to for being overweight.

I'm tired of the pussyfooting around.

CDub
11-09-2006, 02:42 PM
2 Recent Changes.

Santonio Holmes moves up the Depth Chart to #2..

Ike Taylor goes from #1 Cb... to Dimeback.. Obviously Cowher has lost his mind.

He benches Ike Taylor... When kendall Simmons, Max Starks and Joey Porter all need benched.


Moving Santonio up is probably the best of these recent changes. Consider this:
Even though Holmes has only lined up in place of Wilson on every 3rd series, he has more catches and more yards, with only 1/3 of the chances. (I wish we could go back and read former posts to find out who was right as to when he would be moved into the starting lineup, but.....)

Ike's demotion, after listenening a few more times to Cowher's comments, seems to be very temporary and it seems as though Cowher left the door open for Ike to move back into the starting lineup with a solid week of practices. And even if Ike doesn't "start" this week, I get the feeling that he will be put in sooner rather than later during the game.

What really worries me is the fact that Cowher was defending Max Stark's play last week saying that, aside from letting up one sack, he thought Max played a good game. :shock: Now I'm not priveledged to the coaching film, but from what I saw on TV, he played no better than the week before when Burgess ran past him, and this time it was a rookie in Elvis Dumerville.

What's worse is that Cowher said he hought the line as a whole played a pretty good game. Did he not see Ben running for his life?!?!! The only one I thought actually played well was Okobi, and when he's playing the best on our O-line, we've got some issues.

Another thing that worries me is the teams responses to Willie's comments. The national media twisted it a little to make it seem like he wasn't going out and giving it his all cause he felt that noone else was. In reallity, all he said was that he feels like the hunger isn't the same as it was last year and that guys were like what's the use of going out and selling out cause they have become complacent. What worries me is when Hines says that "I can't speak for the rest of the guys" and when Faneca says that "maybe the hunger is a little different" Those two quotes lead me to believe that the team unity is gone and that they really have become complacent. Last year Hines wouldn't have said that, he would have said something more along the lines of "I can tell you that every man in this locker room is going to give their all on every down", or "there's no quit in thisw team". Last year Faneca would have said something more like "The hunger is definitly there" or "We're even hungrier now than before". I think those comments tell a lot about where this team is and where they're headed.

Smooth Criminal
11-09-2006, 04:06 PM
I said he'd be the starter after the bye week when we drafted him.

Smooth Criminal
11-09-2006, 04:09 PM
Anyone else hear Porter has gaurenteed a win this week? I don't think we are in a position to be promising wins after our 2nd 3 game losing streak of the year.

Sgt Pepper
11-09-2006, 04:19 PM
I don't think anyone should promise a win but I will say the Steelers are a much better team than they have been playing like. They're not gettin beat because they are not the better team; they are getting beat because of careless play. The Steelers are a much better team than the Saints regardless of their respective records. I think the Steelers will win decisivly.

Mr. Stiller
11-09-2006, 04:38 PM
2 Recent Changes.

Santonio Holmes moves up the Depth Chart to #2..

Ike Taylor goes from #1 Cb... to Dimeback.. Obviously Cowher has lost his mind.

He benches Ike Taylor... When kendall Simmons, Max Starks and Joey Porter all need benched.


Moving Santonio up is probably the best of these recent changes. Consider this:
Even though Holmes has only lined up in place of Wilson on every 3rd series, he has more catches and more yards, with only 1/3 of the chances. (I wish we could go back and read former posts to find out who was right as to when he would be moved into the starting lineup, but.....)

Ike's demotion, after listenening a few more times to Cowher's comments, seems to be very temporary and it seems as though Cowher left the door open for Ike to move back into the starting lineup with a solid week of practices. And even if Ike doesn't "start" this week, I get the feeling that he will be put in sooner rather than later during the game.

What really worries me is the fact that Cowher was defending Max Stark's play last week saying that, aside from letting up one sack, he thought Max played a good game. :shock: Now I'm not priveledged to the coaching film, but from what I saw on TV, he played no better than the week before when Burgess ran past him, and this time it was a rookie in Elvis Dumerville.

What's worse is that Cowher said he hought the line as a whole played a pretty good game. Did he not see Ben running for his life?!?!! The only one I thought actually played well was Okobi, and when he's playing the best on our O-line, we've got some issues.

Another thing that worries me is the teams responses to Willie's comments. The national media twisted it a little to make it seem like he wasn't going out and giving it his all cause he felt that noone else was. In reallity, all he said was that he feels like the hunger isn't the same as it was last year and that guys were like what's the use of going out and selling out cause they have become complacent. What worries me is when Hines says that "I can't speak for the rest of the guys" and when Faneca says that "maybe the hunger is a little different" Those two quotes lead me to believe that the team unity is gone and that they really have become complacent. Last year Hines wouldn't have said that, he would have said something more along the lines of "I can tell you that every man in this locker room is going to give their all on every down", or "there's no quit in thisw team". Last year Faneca would have said something more like "The hunger is definitly there" or "We're even hungrier now than before". I think those comments tell a lot about where this team is and where they're headed.

Holmes to #2 is a great move.. Ced is a natural 3 and Holmes is a big play waiting to happen. he seems to have trouble at Heinz field with footing (who doesn't).

I'm worried more about Cowher defending the Oline during poor play and not having a problem benching Ike after he's basically had no support.

THav916
11-12-2006, 11:02 AM
Ike has not played well. Townsend hasn't either. But here's my take on it. Taylor should and could be amazing. He needs woken up. Townsend on the other hand, just isn't good. He's shorter, older, slower, and just does a formidable job. Benching him would be fine with me, but wouldn't motivate him to play any better. He's just doing what he can. However, this could be a wake up call for Ike, showing he needs to get his act together, start playing up to his potential, and be our #1 cb. Who knows if this had anything to do with it, but I'm hoping Ike gets a wake up call, and I think eventually Ike and McFadden will be our 2 cb's and Townsend will be the nickel guy.

diabsoule
11-12-2006, 03:53 PM
Anyone else hear Porter has gaurenteed a win this week? I don't think we are in a position to be promising wins after our 2nd 3 game losing streak of the year.

I think it's going to be a tough game. It's going to be hard for me to pull for either team since both are my favorites.

CDub
11-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Ike gets beat for another one.

CDub
11-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Halftime.

What do you do if your Dick Lebeau?
Troy and Deshea are out, your front seven are not getting pressure on Brees and therefore you cannot run zone schemes 'cause Brees has time to pick them apart, your DBs are not big or fast enough to match up man to man, and the Saints are finding holes in what is supposed to be your specialty - stopping the run.

Tough situation.

diabsoule
11-12-2006, 07:32 PM
Great game. I'm a Steerlers fan so it's hard for me to say great game because I'm glad they won but the Steelers hit harder and played better than the Saints. Congrats to you Steelers fans who are Steelers fans before other teams (like me, Saints fan above Steelers fan but Steelers are my favorite when they aren't playing the Saints).

Mr. Stiller
11-12-2006, 07:41 PM
Ike has not played well. Townsend hasn't either. But here's my take on it. Taylor should and could be amazing. He needs woken up. Townsend on the other hand, just isn't good. He's shorter, older, slower, and just does a formidable job. Benching him would be fine with me, but wouldn't motivate him to play any better. He's just doing what he can. However, this could be a wake up call for Ike, showing he needs to get his act together, start playing up to his potential, and be our #1 cb. Who knows if this had anything to do with it, but I'm hoping Ike gets a wake up call, and I think eventually Ike and McFadden will be our 2 cb's and Townsend will be the nickel guy.

I think adding Revis who's a young and has more intangibles for Townsend would be perfect.

Smooth Criminal
11-12-2006, 09:21 PM
For all of the games we lost due to turnovers its about time we win won because of them.

Smooth Criminal
11-12-2006, 09:22 PM
Ike has not played well. Townsend hasn't either. But here's my take on it. Taylor should and could be amazing. He needs woken up. Townsend on the other hand, just isn't good. He's shorter, older, slower, and just does a formidable job. Benching him would be fine with me, but wouldn't motivate him to play any better. He's just doing what he can. However, this could be a wake up call for Ike, showing he needs to get his act together, start playing up to his potential, and be our #1 cb. Who knows if this had anything to do with it, but I'm hoping Ike gets a wake up call, and I think eventually Ike and McFadden will be our 2 cb's and Townsend will be the nickel guy.

I think adding Revis who's a young and has more intangibles for Townsend would be perfect.

Revis will be drafted to a team that needs a #1 corner. With Ike and McFadden on the roster we won't take a corner in the first round where Revis will likrly go.

skarocksoi
11-12-2006, 09:23 PM
I have to agree that a cornerback seems to be becoming more of a need in this upcoming draft, and we'll probably be in a decent position to take on.

What does everyone think of Ike Taylor? He played much better last year, so was he overachieving then, or underachieving this year?

Smooth Criminal
11-12-2006, 10:18 PM
Ike isn't as bad as he is playing now but he isn't as good as he played in the playoffs last year.

With that said, first round corner is not a need. We have Ike, McFadden, Ricardo and Townsend under contract for next year. There is no need to add a first rounder to that group. After next season Townsend will liekly either be cut or retire and Ricardo will be let go so a corner could be a need then but as for this draft it looks like a second day need to me.

Revis is a great corner and he would be great in Pittsburgh but I don't see any way we look past the holes forming along the O-line and at LB to take a corner that would probably be nothing more than the dime back on opening day.

THav916
11-12-2006, 10:37 PM
Yea agreed, if we had about 4 first round picks, Revis would be great. And I do think we'll be in a position to take the best available at a few different positions (OL,ILB, OLB), i just dont see CB being one of them. If a cb is BY FAR the best player out there, then i'm all for it. I just dont see any situation where that would be the case. We're gonna be able to choose from some good talent.

THav916
11-12-2006, 10:43 PM
I'm gonna throw another name out there, and I'm sure it's been talked about before, but if I missed it, I'd like to bring it up again. What about Alan Branch, DT from Michigan. Watching Michigan this year, the guy is outstanding. At 6'6 310, I've seen where people think he could be a great 3-4 DE. He wouldn't have to come in right away and play, but in his 2nd year could take over for Smith. Smith hasn't done much this year and isn't getting any better. It's a position where we rotate a lot of guys anyway, and have no real young talent there.

Not saying he's a slam dunk over o-line, lb, or any other position, but I'd be in all favor of going after him. Could be moot if he's long gone (or not even in the draft), but lets assume for argument's sake he won't be gone and will be in the draft. I'm all for adding studs in the first round and worrying about needs elsewhere, and I think Branch would be one of my top candidates.

skarocksoi
11-13-2006, 12:32 AM
I'm not saying CB is a first round need, but after tonight it's pretty easy to see that we don't have a whole lot of quality depth at the position.

Also, for those who want to get Revis, isn't he just a junior? If so, it's not completely certain he will even come out this year.

Mr. Stiller
11-13-2006, 01:29 AM
I'm not saying CB is a first round need, but after tonight it's pretty easy to see that we don't have a whole lot of quality depth at the position.

Also, for those who want to get Revis, isn't he just a junior? If so, it's not completely certain he will even come out this year.

From talking with him, he wouldn't tell me flat out, but he made it pretty sure he was almost a lock to leave.

Smooth Criminal
11-13-2006, 07:00 AM
He's going to come out. He is one of the top corners in the country and will likely go as a first rounder.

As to Alan Branch, I think he would bea great 3-4 DE and I think we will be able to get him where we pick but I would only take him if the elite tackles and linebackers were gone. We have pretty good depth at DE already. Bailey and Kirshke get alot of play time and they look pretty good while doing it. I'd take a guy in the 3rd or 4th like we did with Orien this year and hope it works out.

Mr. Stiller
11-13-2006, 07:28 AM
He's going to come out. He is one of the top corners in the country and will likely go as a first rounder.

As to Alan Branch, I think he would bea great 3-4 DE and I think we will be able to get him where we pick but I would only take him if the elite tackles and linebackers were gone. We have pretty good depth at DE already. Bailey and Kirshke get alot of play time and they look pretty good while doing it. I'd take a guy in the 3rd or 4th like we did with Orien this year and hope it works out.

I want Mkristo Bruce, but i'm unsure of where. I think he could give us a jason taylor like player at OLB, or be like Aaron Smith at DE.

DeathbyStat
11-13-2006, 11:57 AM
Is thier any defensive backs we can pick up on the waiver wire. I not as disspointed with the corner play as some people(the pass rush isn't getting there) but our guys are dropping like flys.

skarocksoi
11-13-2006, 05:02 PM
What do you guys think about Jay Alford, a DT from Penn State. He's one of those undersized DT's about 6-3, 288 that you could maybe move from the middle to a DE. The guy is pretty stout against the run, but can seriously penetrate into the backfield and leads PSU in both TFL's and and Sacks.

Can he fit as a DE in the 3-4 if he maybe gains a little weight, or is he just not tall enough? I think if he could fit in our scheme he would be an interesting prospect that probably wont go until the 4th or 5th round. Your thoughts.

Pittbc7
11-13-2006, 05:54 PM
Adam Carriker is the perfect 3-4 DE and hopefully a guy the Steelers take a long look at.

Smooth Criminal
11-13-2006, 06:26 PM
At first it looked liek Carriker would be a first round lock but he seems to be folling some. I would love to land him in the 2nd round. We need to add youth there because Smith and Kirschke are getting up there in age.

We still have Harris on the practice squad who I think will develop into a good 3-4 DE with time. He looked good this preseason and will get another shot next training camp.

Mr. Stiller
11-13-2006, 08:49 PM
At first it looked liek Carriker would be a first round lock but he seems to be folling some. I would love to land him in the 2nd round. We need to add youth there because Smith and Kirschke are getting up there in age.

We still have Harris on the practice squad who I think will develop into a good 3-4 DE with time. He looked good this preseason and will get another shot next training camp.]

Carriker has had a pretty weak showing this year, he's 6'8 and can barely manage tackle let along a guard and tackle to let the LB's Roam.

Mr. Stiller
11-14-2006, 10:48 AM
so,

I was thinking about who Colbert was scouting and I think we could have 2-3 new LB's this year.


OLB: Keith Rivers/Lawrence Jackson of USC, and William Beckford of Rutgers
ILB: Eric Foster, the DT of Rutgers.

diabsoule
11-14-2006, 12:34 PM
so,

I was thinking about who Colbert was scouting and I think we could have 2-3 new LB's this year.


OLB: Keith Rivers/Lawrence Jackson of USC, and William Beckford of Rutgers
ILB: Eric Foster, the DT of Rutgers.

I think so too. We need depth at LB behind Porter, Haggans, Foote, etc... I think we could also use CB help but I think they'll draft that position later in the draft. I think we could also use a RB and some O-line help.

Mr. Stiller
11-14-2006, 02:46 PM
so,

I was thinking about who Colbert was scouting and I think we could have 2-3 new LB's this year.


OLB: Keith Rivers/Lawrence Jackson of USC, and William Beckford of Rutgers
ILB: Eric Foster, the DT of Rutgers.

I think so too. We need depth at LB behind Porter, Haggans, Foote, etc... I think we could also use CB help but I think they'll draft that position later in the draft. I think we could also use a RB and some O-line help.

I know i get criticised for this but I dont care who likes Hall Revis is a shutdown corner. I'm thinking it might go something like this now:

1) Darrelle Revis
2) Lawrence Jackson
3) James Marten
4) WR/RB
5) William Beckford
6) Eric Foster
7) BPA

I'm unsure about it, sure but I'm not totally sold on the fact we don't worry about defense. We have went from a top 3-5 defense to mediocre.. we have no pass rush and it's putting our CB's and safeties on a limb. We need an ample pass rush to run all of LeBeaus Schemes

Smooth Criminal
11-14-2006, 06:35 PM
I'd much rather get a great pass rusher or O-lineman than Revis in the first.

I'd take
1. OLB
2. OT
3. ILB
4. DE

Corner isn't a need we need to adress early in the draft. We have our of guys for the future at corner and Ricardo has looked good when in at Nickleback. Plus we will probably have Ike, McFadden, Townsend and Ricardo all back next year. I'd rather add a FA that coule fill in the holes of the secondary when people get injured than adding a guy in the early rounds of the draft that would probably end up being a career backup.

Mr. Stiller
11-14-2006, 06:46 PM
I'd much rather get a great pass rusher or O-lineman than Revis in the first.

I'd take
1. OLB
2. OT
3. ILB
4. DE

Corner isn't a need we need to adress early in the draft. We have our of guys for the future at corner and Ricardo has looked good when in at Nickleback. Plus we will probably have Ike, McFadden, Townsend and Ricardo all back next year. I'd rather add a FA that coule fill in the holes of the secondary when people get injured than adding a guy in the early rounds of the draft that would probably end up being a career backup.

I was just going by who Kevin Colbert was scouting Heavily.

Smooth Criminal
11-14-2006, 08:48 PM
I havn't heard anything about Colbert scouting Revis. If you have a link to that I would love to see that.

I have heard he loves Lawrence Jackson though.

Mr. Stiller
11-14-2006, 10:45 PM
I havn't heard anything about Colbert scouting Revis. If you have a link to that I would love to see that.

I have heard he loves Lawrence Jackson though.

I've just heard that he's been scouting Pitt, BC, Rutgers, and USC hardcore.

Revis, Palko, Buches or Session are the only guys I could think of.

We've scouted Steve Smith, L. Jack and Isaiah Stanback pretty hardcore

Rutgers.. I heard Leonard, Foster, and Beckford.

BC: I Heard Marten.

diabsoule
11-15-2006, 01:25 AM
I think Steve Smith would really help us out. I like Tyler Palko a lot, I'd like to see the Saints get him, but he'd be a great backup for Big Ben as well. He has that mentality and toughness that Cowher looks for.

I wonder how much their considering Brian Leonard. He's a do-it-all, big back.

I think the Steelers are going to go BPA in the first round at these positions: OL, LB, DE, RB. Cowher isn't known for taking first round CB's.

I think we should get our second win in a row this weekend against the Browns.

Mr. Stiller
11-15-2006, 01:51 AM
I think Steve Smith would really help us out. I like Tyler Palko a lot, I'd like to see the Saints get him, but he'd be a great backup for Big Ben as well. He has that mentality and toughness that Cowher looks for.

I wonder how much their considering Brian Leonard. He's a do-it-all, big back.

I think the Steelers are going to go BPA in the first round at these positions: OL, LB, DE, RB. Cowher isn't known for taking first round CB's.

I think we should get our second win in a row this weekend against the Browns.

He did draft Deon Figures and Chad Scott.

DeathbyStat
11-15-2006, 08:27 AM
This makes me ill the possiblilty that we could actually lose to the Browns. This is Braylon Edward's take on the whole thing.

`We're coming after their ass,''

``This is not a situation where they say the past is the past,''

``No. The hell with that. We're coming after their (butt). You don't beat somebody 41-0 at their own house.

Smooth Criminal
11-15-2006, 08:31 AM
Cowher also loved the idea of drafting Dunta Robinson the year we got Ben. If the Texans didn't take him before us I have read we wopuld have taken him.

I just don't think corner is a first round need this year. Ask yourself what the worst two areas for the Steelers have been this year other than the obivous turnovers. They are O-line and pass rush. Thats what we need to adress in the first 2 rounds.

Smooth Criminal
11-15-2006, 08:33 AM
I think the Browns are a better team than their record looks like but Frye hasn't played as well as some of the Browns fans have expected and their secondary isn't very good. I think Ben will have a huge day. Our defense is good enough to stop their offense as long as we don't play like we did against NO. We need to have Polamalu back for this game.

Smooth Criminal
11-15-2006, 07:32 PM
Some good news today. Both Polamalu and Harrison practiced today. Polamalu said he feels great and expects to play. Harrison said he is still listed as doubtful so that is what he is. Hartings played so but Okobi was lined up with the starters. Townsend and Reid both sat out with their injuries.

Mr. Stiller
11-15-2006, 10:09 PM
I think Steve Smith would really help us out. I like Tyler Palko a lot, I'd like to see the Saints get him, but he'd be a great backup for Big Ben as well. He has that mentality and toughness that Cowher looks for.

I wonder how much their considering Brian Leonard. He's a do-it-all, big back.

I think the Steelers are going to go BPA in the first round at these positions: OL, LB, DE, RB. Cowher isn't known for taking first round CB's.

I think we should get our second win in a row this weekend against the Browns.

Cowher I believe has never taken a first round RB. only 2 taken in the last 23 years. both before his time.

My thinking behind the leonard pick up.

Give us some versatility. Leonard could line up in front of Willie, because, as much as I love Kreider, he's not fast enough to be out blocking for willie, meanwhile Leonard could block, disengage and block another guy, letting willie get deeper. Plus he's got hands and is a lot faster. Could be our 3rd down back and FB.

I have to wait until the season is over to be accurate, but Revis isn't exactly a Crazy idea.

Colclough isn't necesarily coming back, Townsend is getting really old. Ike is Regressing it seems (From lack of Pass rush), and McFadden is starting his rookie mistakes. I could really see us gettin Revis round 1. gives us a young quadro of solid corners Revis, Taylor, McFadden and Madison.


Here's a draft I could see:

1) Darrelle Revis / Victor Abiamiri
2) David Harris
3) Brian Leonard / Tony Hunt
4) James Marten
4) Brian Smith
5) Kevin Kolb/ Jordan Palmer/ John Beck/ Steve Smith
6) Eric Foster
6) Ikaika Alama-Francis
7) William Beckford.

UDFA:

Sawyer Smith QB
Ronnie McGill or Germaine Race RB
Cory Anderson FB
Steve Buches TE
Van Houston DE
Quinton Echols NT
Ramon Guzman OLB
Joe Sturdivant FS
Adam Podlesh or Adam Graessle P

diabsoule
11-15-2006, 10:41 PM
I think Kolb and Smith will go higher than round 5 and I think Round 2 might be a little too early to take David Harris.

We do need a LB in the second round, though. Maybe someone like H.B. Blades or a good pass rushing OLB.

Mr. Stiller
11-16-2006, 07:47 AM
I think Kolb and Smith will go higher than round 5 and I think Round 2 might be a little too early to take David Harris.

We do need a LB in the second round, though. Maybe someone like H.B. Blades or a good pass rushing OLB.

Nah, HB Blades is really WAY overrated. I'd really rather have Clint Session if I had to take a Pitt LB.

I think Pittsburgh Relies on taking later LBs.

3rd/4th/5th are their LB Time..

Porter was a 3rd... Haggans was a 5th.

From 1982:

First Rounders:

QB: 1

Ben Roethlisberger(04)

RB: 2

Walter Abercrombie(82)
Tim Worley(89)


WR: 5

Louis Lipps(84)
Charles Johnson (94)
Troy Edwards (99) Ugh
Plaxico Burress (00)
Santonio Holmes (06)

TE: 3

Eric Green (90)
Mark Bruener(95)
Heath Miller (05)

OL: 6

John Rienstra (86)
Tom Ricketts (89)
Leon Searcy (92)
Jermaine Stephens (96)
Alan Faneca (98)
Kendall Simmons (02)


DL: 4

Gabriel Rivera (83)
Darryl Sims (85)
Aaron Jones (88)
Casey Hampton (01)

LB: 1
Huey Richardson(91)

CB:2

Deon Figures(93)
Chad Scott(97)

S: 2

Rod Woodson (87)
Troy Polamalu(03)


as for LB:

Some of our best:

Greg Lloyd: 6th rounder 1987
Hardy Nickerson: 5th Rounder 1987
Levon Kirkland: 2nd rounder 1992
Chad Brown: 2nd rounder 1993
Jason Gildon: 3rd rounder 1994
Earl Holmes: 4th rounder 1996
Mike Vrabel: 3rd rounder 1997
Joey Porter: 3rd rounder 1999
Clark Haggans: 5th rounder 2000
Kendrell Bell: 2nd rounder 2001
Larry Foote: 4th Rounder 2002




Thats a pretty solid group.. Not 1 of those guys were taken rd 1. I could See Harris being a monster inside, and I think he'll be in demand come combine time. He's already at pro size 6'2 250lbs and he's got great agility and sideline to sideline speed he won't be around for our 3rd.

As for Pass rushers. Brian Smith will fall due to his hip injury, And we only need 1 for sure this season, we could get a guy next year as well. We still have James Harrison so even if we lose porter we still have a solid (Maybe better?) gut for a few seasons to transition a young stud.


Sorry But David Harris > HB Blades. Blades is all hype. Only guys right now other than Revis is Session who isn't built for a 3-4, but could probably be a solid backup.

Smooth Criminal
11-16-2006, 01:31 PM
I'd rather look forward to the rest of this season than the the draft. Until were mathematically eliminated I will care more about this year than next year.

TerribleEd
11-16-2006, 02:32 PM
Don't think David Harris will be around after Rd 2. Combine will be huge for him. Today, he's a second....could go up or down a round after Combine.

Mr. Stiller
11-16-2006, 02:38 PM
I'd rather look forward to the rest of this season than the the draft. Until were mathematically eliminated I will care more about this year than next year.

Yea man, I think we keep going. I think Harrison comes back not this week but next and you'll see a spike up in our defense and ST.

I say we'll beat the ravens twice and hopefully they have a late season slide.

at 7-2 they still have


Nov 19 Atlanta 1:00pm
Nov 26 Pittsburgh 1:00pm
Nov 30 @Cincinnati 8:00pm
Dec 10 @Kansas City 1:00pm
Dec 17 Cleveland 1:00pm
Dec 24 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm
Dec 31 Buffalo 1:00pm

If we can beat them twice, they lose to cincy and Cleveland...

If they beat Cleveland and Buffalo, and lose the rest.. they'll be 9-7. If we win out.... we'll be 10-6 and have the division...


Nov 19 @Cleveland 1:00pm
Nov 26 @Baltimore 1:00pm
Dec 3 Tampa Bay 1:00pm
Dec 7 Cleveland 8:00pm
Dec 17 @Carolina 1:00pm
Dec 24 Baltimore 1:00pm
Dec31 @Cincinnati 1:00pm

The game that scares me the most is Carolina. We gotta find a way to shut Steve Smith out. And our defense needs to step up. If the WR's and Oline keep playing good, we could very possibly win all of those.

Even if we lose one and Baltimore finishes 9-7... We'll have the tie breaker.

Cincy

Nov 19 @New Orleans 1:00pm
Nov 26 @Cleveland 1:00pm
Nov 30 Baltimore 8:00pm
Dec 10 Oakland 1:00pm
Dec 18 @Indianapolis 8:30pm
Dec 24 @Denver 4:15pm
Dec 31 Pittsburgh 1:00pm

I could see them winning possibly 3 of those games.. as long as they beat Baltimore in the Rematch, Cleveland and Oakland... making them 7-9...

So there's still a really solid chance we make it...

Wildcard Watch:

AFC East: Jets are at 5-4, and they have a pretty easy schedule minus a few games...

Nov 19 Chicago 1:00pm
Nov 26 Houston 1:00pm
Dec 3 @Green Bay 1:00pm
Dec 10 Buffalo 1:00pm
Dec 17 @Minnesota 1:00pm
Dec 25 @Miami 8:30pm
Dec 31 Oakland 1:00pm

So it looks like they could possibly grab 1 of the 2 available spots.

AFC South: Indy has the #1 seed all but locked, but The Jaguars are sitting behind at 5-4, however QB Controversies and 4 very tough games in the second half, Giants, Indy, NE, and KC. Could be stuck outside.


AFC North: Pitt Needs a surge, because as far as I see it, we have the easiest second half schedule With Baltimore being the only team with a winning record, and they've shown their weaknesses.


AFC West: This is going to come down to the wire. Both San Diego and Denver at 7-2. They still have 2 games against each other.

San Diego:
With Seattle, Denver x2, and KC coming up, they could have 4 losses, meaning they'd finish 10-6, unless Zona, Buffalo or Oakland have an upset..

Denver:
They're second half schedule isn't any easier.
Seattle San Diego x2, KC, Cincy and San Francisco. With the possibilit of a zona upset.

diabsoule
11-16-2006, 03:04 PM
We should be able to pull out a lot of wins now in the late half of the season. It actually wouldn't suprise me if we ran the table but we have to play at the best of our ability to beat everyone.

Smooth Criminal
11-16-2006, 03:11 PM
making the #6 wildcard isn't as absurd of a thought as everyone thinks it is. We are only 2 games down from it now.

Mr. Stiller
11-16-2006, 04:08 PM
making the #6 wildcard isn't as absurd of a thought as everyone thinks it is. We are only 2 games down from it now.

It's not even absurd to think we could be the #4 seed.

Smooth Criminal
11-16-2006, 05:46 PM
It's not absurd but at the same time it really isn't liekly at all that we make up 4 games in the next 7 weeks. Making up the 2 to get the wildcard is much more likely.

Mr. Stiller
11-17-2006, 06:46 AM
Man,

I"m tired of the Philip Rivers, Eli manning > Ben Roeth talk.


Ben could lose a leg, an arm, throw 60/60 for 600 yards, 10 tds, and rush for 30 and he'd be a product of the system.

skarocksoi
11-17-2006, 09:15 AM
Well I'd never say Ben is the greatest quarterback, but he's better than most. I think Eli is pretty overrated and everyone who proclaims how great he is forgets which Manning brother he is.

DeathbyStat
11-17-2006, 11:11 AM
It is an uphill battle for us. Everyone thinks every above average player we get is overrated(Ward, Ben, Troy, Porter) They might be but every one just comes at us about it(I hate to sound like a b**tch. Eli is very overrated until he succeeds in the playoffs were his brother has failed. He is an above average QB...maybe massively above average, but if his name wasn't manning he may not have gone number one(what GM could live down passing up a manning.) He will never be at the level of his brother.(he is inaccurate and is gets rattled by the rush even more than Peyton this leads to many throws off his back foot and he also backs up when being rushed instead of stepping up.) River has looked absolutely sick, I really think he is the best of the bunch. As far a Ben, he is an above average QB, when healthy he is top ten or top 15 in the league (maybe top 5 but that’s stretching it) but when he isn't completely healthy can be the worst and I mean worst QB in the league. However he is more than a game manager. Plus I don't know why that title is such an insult QBs attempt to learn a feel for the game so they can manage it and not look for a big play on every play and just take what the defense gives you. The other factor to consider is that its only Ben's and the rest of these QBs third year in the league they could be much worse or much better down the road its hard to tell.

Smooth Criminal
11-17-2006, 05:11 PM
Rivers has only played 9 games in the league. Wait until he has a couple of years under his belt before we see how good he is.

Just think if everyone judged Ben off of his first 9 games. Thats right a perfect 9-0 record as a rookie with wins over two underfeated teams that both eventually went on to the superbowl.

Smooth Criminal
11-17-2006, 05:13 PM
Big games to watch this weekend

Chicago Bears @ New York Jets
New York Giants @ Jacksonville Jaguars
Cincinatti Bengals @ New Orleans Saints
Atlata Falcons @ Baltimore Ravens

We need the Bears, Giants and Saints to get wins to help us out in the wildard scenarion. Atlanta @ Baltimore is obvious. If Baltimore wins this week the division will be all but impossbile to win.

Plus its Cleveland week. Always a big game.

Smooth Criminal
11-17-2006, 07:51 PM
Steelers | Polamalu cleared to play Week 11
Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:51:29 -0800
Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports Pittsburgh Steelers SS Troy Polamalu (concussion) has been medically cleared to play Week 11 and will start in the game.

All good injury news today. Every Steeler was upgraded to probably other than Willie Reid who is out.

Smooth Criminal
11-17-2006, 10:58 PM
A ratings success

Fox's decision to move the starting time of the Steelers-Saints game to 4:15 p.m. proved to be beneficial: The game had more viewers than the marquee matchup Sunday night between the New York Giants and Chicago Bears on NBC and ranked as the third most-watched program for the week. The Steelers' game, which was switched because of the NFL's new "flex scheduling" with the networks, had 21.8 million viewers. The only programs with more viewers last week were ABC's "Desperate Housewives" (22.3 million) and "Dancing With The Stars" (22 million).

Mr. Stiller
11-18-2006, 05:21 AM
A ratings success

Fox's decision to move the starting time of the Steelers-Saints game to 4:15 p.m. proved to be beneficial: The game had more viewers than the marquee matchup Sunday night between the New York Giants and Chicago Bears on NBC and ranked as the third most-watched program for the week. The Steelers' game, which was switched because of the NFL's new "flex scheduling" with the networks, had 21.8 million viewers. The only programs with more viewers last week were ABC's "Desperate Housewives" (22.3 million) and "Dancing With The Stars" (22 million).

I'm excited for us to jump to only 1 game behind.

CDub
11-19-2006, 12:55 PM
In the early going we've got some no-name chump running straight up the gut on us!

CDub
11-19-2006, 12:56 PM
Can we please fu#king cover Edwards!!!

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2006, 03:11 PM
What a win. BEn dominated the second half and won us the game. Polammalu made huge plays on defense to end their drive with 4 minutes left.

Game started out bad but they turned it around and made a win out of it. Exciting win.

steel man
11-19-2006, 03:15 PM
i wanted a big time LBer in the 1st round of the draft but after watching this game we have to get protection for Ben, so i hope we get the best ol in the 1st and take an ol in 3 of the 1st 4 picks(with us taking Brian Leonard in the 2nd or 3rd). we have a great,great future hall of fame QB and he is getting hit so much and he is taking way to many hard hits. just because he is tough and dont give up and is like the energizer bunny and keeps and going and going and going dont mean we should let it keep happening and it is also going to shorten his career. we have our QB so we need to take care of him.

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2006, 03:21 PM
I have wanted OT and LB in the frist two rounds for awhile now.

Najeh looked very good returning kicks and he had a couple of catches today. I think he is solidifing his role on the team to the point he'll be signed back this offseason.

skarocksoi
11-19-2006, 03:26 PM
I think that Ben needs to scramble around in the pocket more, because you can really see the difference in his play when he moves around when things start to break down. At the beginning of the year he seemed to try to stay in the pocket to avoid getting hit because of his injuries, and we couldnt do anything. Now when he scrambles, our recievers have time to get open and make some plays.

As for getting an O-lineman in the 1st, Im guessing we'll end up picking somewhere around 15-25 (just a feeling), so I dont really know what might be available by then, especially we go in the 20's. I think a right tackle is the biggest concern because Starks is playing pretty bad, and Kemo is right behind Simmons and could take over there. Maybe a center too because I have a feeling Hartings might retire.

11-19-2006, 06:43 PM
If we would just stop turning the ball over we would be unstoppable. 2 of the int's should have been caught. This is just ridiculous. Nice big victory though. Sitting at 4-6 is alot better than 3-7, but we have along way to go to make the playoffs. Always tough to play on the road and beat a rival, so this is a good win.

Mr. Stiller
11-19-2006, 07:51 PM
I think that Ben needs to scramble around in the pocket more, because you can really see the difference in his play when he moves around when things start to break down. At the beginning of the year he seemed to try to stay in the pocket to avoid getting hit because of his injuries, and we couldnt do anything. Now when he scrambles, our recievers have time to get open and make some plays.

As for getting an O-lineman in the 1st, Im guessing we'll end up picking somewhere around 15-25 (just a feeling), so I dont really know what might be available by then, especially we go in the 20's. I think a right tackle is the biggest concern because Starks is playing pretty bad, and Kemo is right behind Simmons and could take over there. Maybe a center too because I have a feeling Hartings might retire.

if we take a Center I want mozes.


Lineman in the 15-25 range: Levi Brown, Jake Long, Sam baker, Justin Blalock.


I'm thinking we keep trading down, I'm seeing that our secondary is letting too many stoppable passes through. Ike isn't playing to his caliber.

skarocksoi
11-19-2006, 09:23 PM
Levi Brown at RT would be a monster. He's a beast with the run and can pass block pretty well too, plus he's a high character guy that the steelers love. Being a Penn State student, I've gotten to watch him for a couple of years and hes really a stand up guy. One game this year, the fullback did something stupid and yelled at a coach or something and Levi came over and put the guy in his place. But yeah, I think he'd be a good pick if we go O Line in the first.

Oddly enough, I ended up drafting him in my Madden franchise and moved him to RT to replace starks.

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2006, 10:26 PM
I wouldn't mind picking Levi up. The Steelers have taken more O-line in the first round than any other position so its a real possibility.

I'd love to land David Harris in the 2nd.

diabsoule
11-20-2006, 01:32 AM
I wouldn't mind picking Levi up. The Steelers have taken more O-line in the first round than any other position so its a real possibility.

I'd love to land David Harris in the 2nd.

Levi would definately help out our o-line and Harris is a very underrated prospect that I think could possibly fall into the third, but would be a great addition if we were able to grab him.

Mr. Stiller
11-20-2006, 06:47 AM
I wouldn't mind picking Levi up. The Steelers have taken more O-line in the first round than any other position so its a real possibility.

I'd love to land David Harris in the 2nd.

Levi would definately help out our o-line and Harris is a very underrated prospect that I think could possibly fall into the third, but would be a great addition if we were able to grab him.

After the OSU Game, Scouts aren't going to overlook him.

IF Jake Long leaves, thats our RT. He pretty much shut down Vernon Gholston, which isn't the easiest of things.

Jake Long, David Harris, Jarvis Moss/James Hardy/Tanard Jackson, Brian Smith, George Batiste/Brian Anderson, Eric Foster, Ikaika Alama-Francis...

Round 1:
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/27/279100.jpg

AJ Hawk ugly and very athletic. 6'7 320 lbs and he's more than Agile/Athletic enough to Take over for the cement shoed Max Starks as a Rookie.

Round2:
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/31/312054.jpg

Possibly the Next in line of Great Steeler MLBs taken in round 2?

Levon Kirkland, Kendrell Bell..... David Harris is the best MLB in the NCAA and he's certainly the best ball hawk/block breaker.

Round3:

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper522/stills/tx0im7q8.jpg

Tanard Jackson is a prototypical CB. He's fast, he's a mack truck hitter, and he'll be reunited with former Cuse FS Anthony Smith. Smith is going to be good. I know it, and Tanard, well, he's another 3rd round, underrated Cuse player. If he were at a school other than Cuse, he could be ranked in the top 5. If you can, look at his special teams hit against Uconn. He hits just as hard as Anthony Smith. Tanard Reminds me of Ike last year, or Rashean Mathis. Maybe not that high caliber, but he has that potential.

Round 4:

http://lsu.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/photo/BRIAN%20SMITH%20267%20SID.JPG

Brian Smith + 20 lbs. + A year behind Joey Porter = A Monster. He's a 4-3 DE who at times has dropped into coverage. He would be a pass rushing nightmare at 6'4 250 lbs. (he's 230 at the beginning of the season) A Broken hip drops him here to us and we're more than glad to take him.

Round 5:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/20/206949.jpg

Big, Athletic and some of the best footwork i've seen. He may take a year or two on the PS but i can see him being a starter when Faneca leaves. And you probably won't see any dropoff.

Round6:

http://admin.scout.com/media/image/34/342862.jpg

Eric Foster

#56, former MLB, plays DT. he's 6'3 265 lbs. He's more than Adequately fast enough for MLB. He can break blocks just as good as any DT in the country and was a huge part in their 9 wins this season. He gets into the backfield on nearly every play. If he can shed blocks that well at the line, Imagine him at LB. He could even move outside. David Harris would take over Kreidwaldts Spot. And we could have him battle Wallace for #2 behind Farrior. We saw how well Teddy Bruschi did it.

Round7:

http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/media/Images/Gallery/alama-francis_ikaika_g1.jpg

Former Basketball player, but at 6'6 290 lbs, not to mention 2 years of experience in the Hawaiian 3-4. Possibly another token Samoan Steal late in the draft. Not to mention after adding 40 pounds he's every bit as athletic as he was playing basketball.

UDFA's:

Quintero Frierson
Sam Hollenbach


I'm still undecided about our 4b and 5/6b selections.

skarocksoi
11-20-2006, 09:34 AM
I have to say, Mr Stiller, I love those mock drafts you do.

Shane P. Hallam
11-20-2006, 01:04 PM
Small Michigan bias though ;)

DeathbyStat
11-20-2006, 03:52 PM
Does any body know any thing about Fred Bennet CB out of south Carolina, He's 6'1 and runs a 4.45 forty could we end up picking him in the first? South Carolina has had a solid track record for DBs.

diabsoule
11-20-2006, 04:13 PM
Does any body know any thing about Fred Bennet CB out of south Carolina, He's 6'1 and runs a 4.45 forty could we end up picking him in the first? South Carolina has had a solid track record for DBs.

Bennett is good but he has some question marks. He usually goes for the big hit rather than the sure tackle, he's a great cover corner but not necessarily a good run supporter. He would be a good addition, though.

Mr. Stiller, I like the mocks as well.

DeathbyStat
11-20-2006, 04:30 PM
He usually goes for the big hit rather than the sure tackle.[/quote]

That sounds like the vast majority of the NFL these day. Allways looking for the knock out blow.

Smooth Criminal
11-20-2006, 05:00 PM
We will not draft any corner in the first round. McFadden isn't playing horrible and with the way Ike played and the deal we gave him this offseason he will get another shot next season.

Only places I can realistically see us going in round 1 are LB and OT.

Woodley wouldn't be a bad first rounder if we could get him either.

Mr. Stiller
11-20-2006, 05:45 PM
Small Michigan bias though ;)

If OSU had a RT like Jake Long, Or Laurainitis was coming out.. I'm sure he would be in there over Harris.

I just think Jake Long is perfect for our Offense.

11-20-2006, 05:48 PM
David Harris is the best MLB in the NCAA

Patrick Willis has been playing great and should win the Butkus. Also I think you guys should invest in a WR in the mid rounds but that is a good mock.

Mr. Stiller
11-20-2006, 06:35 PM
David Harris is the best MLB in the NCAA

Patrick Willis has been playing great and should win the Butkus. Also I think you guys should invest in a WR in the mid rounds but that is a good mock.

Well I think Pwillie is a solid MLB, but I think Harris is better suited in a 3-4. I think Patrick is better for a 4-3.

Harris at 6'2 250 lbs is a better disengager of blocks than Willis. However, again thats my opinion.

The 2 additions.. were, Dan Mozes at 5a, and James Hardy at 4b.

Smooth Criminal
11-20-2006, 09:16 PM
We need NYG to turn things around against Jacksonville. A Jacksonville loss would be great for us cause we'd only be 2 games out of the wildcard with the tiebreaker over KC.

Mr. Stiller
11-20-2006, 09:18 PM
We need NYG to turn things around against Jacksonville. A Jacksonville loss would be great for us cause we'd only be 2 games out of the wildcard with the tiebreaker over KC.

BUT ELI"S AT THE HELM!

Pittbc7
11-20-2006, 10:45 PM
Weddle would be a nice day one pick. He fills alot of needs and can play either safety or cb in the shaky secondary. His pr value is also very nice considering no one on the team now has shown they can fill the void Randle El left in the return game.

Mr. Stiller
11-20-2006, 11:14 PM
Weddle would be a nice day one pick. He fills alot of needs and can play either safety or cb in the shaky secondary. His pr value is also very nice considering no one on the team now has shown they can fill the void Randle El left in the return game.

Kind of early to take another Safety/KR/PR person considering we haven't even given smith a shot or seen what willie reid can do.

Pittbc7
11-21-2006, 05:21 PM
Weddle can play CB as well which is what I would project him to play on the Steelers. The secondary has been a pretty big weakness and Ike Taylor's play has disappointed since he signed that contract. Coclough's inury was pretty serious the last time I heard about it too. Why hasn't Reid played anyways? Its not like they have some stud return guy on the team already. Hopefully he can play at some point this season and flash some potential.

Smooth Criminal
11-22-2006, 07:44 AM
Reid is injured and has been since week 5.

As for drafting an early round corner, we won't. Ike just got a huge deal so they arn't going to give up on him yet. McFadden hasn't looked that bad this year and he will likely be our future at CB. Townsend and Ricardo will both be back next year.

I think we need to add a 4th rounder to that group to fill in for any injuries.

and KR isn't much of a need if they sign Najeh back. He has doen a hell of a job.

Smooth Criminal
11-22-2006, 09:23 AM
I want to get either Long or Woodley in the first and David Harris in the 2nd. In the 3rd we take whatever position we didn't get in the 1st round.

Mr. Stiller
11-22-2006, 11:24 AM
Reid is injured and has been since week 5.

As for drafting an early round corner, we won't. Ike just got a huge deal so they arn't going to give up on him yet. McFadden hasn't looked that bad this year and he will likely be our future at CB. Townsend and Ricardo will both be back next year.

I think we need to add a 4th rounder to that group to fill in for any injuries.

and KR isn't much of a need if they sign Najeh back. He has doen a hell of a job.

Someone somewhere else pointed this out....

2006 -- Just signed Hines Ward with $10M bonus and C. Wilson with a $2M bonus. Drafted Santonio Holmes.

2007 -- Just signed Taylor with $6.5M bonus and Townsend with $2M bonus. Draft Darelle Revis!

Smooth Criminal
11-22-2006, 10:00 PM
Only differnce there is that Ike and McFadden are our future at CB while Ward is getting old and Wilson just sucks.

Mr. Stiller
11-22-2006, 11:38 PM
Only differnce there is that Ike and McFadden are our future at CB while Ward is getting old and Wilson just sucks.

Townsend?

Smooth Criminal
11-23-2006, 06:56 AM
Only differnce there is that Ike and McFadden are our future at CB while Ward is getting old and Wilson just sucks.

Townsend?

Whats your point. We drafted Holmes because we didn't have our WR of the future. AT CB we have McFadden and Taylor. No need for Revis.

Signing Townsend back was just insurance for McFadden. Him being signed back has nothing to do with who we are drafting. If anything him being signed back makes it less likely we'll draft another corner because they agve him a 4 year deal.

I just don't think we need to spend a pick on a guy who will come in and play dimeback for us and be a career nickleback. We already have that with Ricardo.

11-23-2006, 10:22 AM
Only differnce there is that Ike and McFadden are our future at CB while Ward is getting old and Wilson just sucks. At least Wilson will catch the ball and hang on to it. Holmes is a worthless piece of crap. I like Washington at the number 2 wide and wilson as 3. Holmes has potential but he can't hang onto a ball. Our corners will be fine, I think the linebackers are just not getting the same pressure as lat year and that is making a difference in our coverage.

Smooth Criminal
11-23-2006, 10:27 AM
Holmes has been a very good reciever for us. The only time he has fumbled was on special teams, never as a reciever. He doesn't have very many drops either.

Just wanted tp point out that he has more catches and less drops than Wilson even though he is lining up as the #4 and Wilson the #2.

11-23-2006, 10:33 AM
I'm not a huge fan of either. I guess I just am really sore on Holmes off season antics and his fumbles. Like I said, I really like Washington and would like to see him as the number 2 guy. I like how he gets open and his jumping ability and his catching ability is so much better than what we had in Burress. I really think he is gonna be a good WR for us. We just need to use him more.

Smooth Criminal
11-23-2006, 01:44 PM
If anyone should be our #2 reciever is should be Holmes. He is 2nd on the team in receptions with less drops and less times being thrown at than Wilson and Washington.

Holmes is our future at reciever and he needs to be the starter now with how good he played last week. Plus I think The Ravens secondary will have alot of problems with his speed.

Washington is in no way better than Burress was.

Sgt Pepper
11-24-2006, 12:07 AM
I'm not a huge fan of either. I guess I just am really sore on Holmes off season antics and his fumbles. Like I said, I really like Washington and would like to see him as the number 2 guy. I like how he gets open and his jumping ability and his catching ability is so much better than what we had in Burress. I really think he is gonna be a good WR for us. We just need to use him more.

I cannot believe any human who has seen a football game would ever say Nate Washington does ANYTHING better than Plaxico Burress. I have read some bad claims on this board before but that might indeed be the most rediculous one yet. There is no reason Holmes shouldn't be a starter and no reason Washington should be any better than a no. 4.

11-24-2006, 07:08 PM
Do you actually watch Washington? The guy comes up with some great catches. Sounds like your one of the Plax lovers. That guy sucked for us and cost us alot of games. Washington hasn't done that. As for Holmes, I'd take Wilson over him anyday right now.

Smooth Criminal
11-24-2006, 09:30 PM
Plax did alot of good for the Steelers. You must not remember 2004 when he was Ben's favorite target. Plax had all the talent in the world and his only problem was he didn't give 100% on every play and he still deosn't in NY.

Washington currently leads the Steelers in drops. He doesn't have anywhere near as good of hands as Plax.

Holmes has more catches, more yards and less drops than Washington. There is no way Nate should be the #2 and there is no way he is better than Burress.

skarocksoi
11-24-2006, 11:26 PM
The worst part about Plax was his attitude. He just didnt have the kind of character that the Steelers look for. He must have lied through his teeth during the combine interviews or whomever drafted him must have had a momentary brain lapse.

steelcrew43
11-24-2006, 11:45 PM
remember when hines and plax both had thousand yard seasons.....

skarocksoi
11-25-2006, 10:41 AM
remeber when Tommy Maddox was a decent quarterback...

THav916
11-25-2006, 07:10 PM
Plax is the man

TerribleEd
11-26-2006, 12:20 AM
Steeler Mock (first five rounds)

Rd 1: Patrick Willis, ILB, Ole Miss

Steelers need to add a playmaker on defense. They could have gone inside or outside here, but Willis is that all around bad ass they need.

Rd 2: Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers

Perfect complement to Willie Parker.

Rd 3: Ryan Kalil, C, USC

If 20 lbs heavier, he's the number one Center on the board. His technique is excellent and so is his athleticism.

Rd 4a: Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri

Great value here at a need position.

Rd 4b: Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

Reminds me of Ike Taylor. He's even from Louisiana. One of the top CB's in the SEC, he has great measurables. He needs to be more consistent, but was switched to CB during his junior year after playing WR earlier in college career.

Rd 5: Mike Otto, OT, Purdue

Solid pick in Rd 5. Consistent, blue-collar OT. Plays left-side in college - will switch to right side in pro's.

Rd 5b: John Beck, QB, BYU

Twenty-two touchdown passes to four interceptions. Has been named MWC offensive player of the week five times this season. Steelers need to figure out who longterm back-up will be post-Batch.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 12:27 AM
Huge post coming with offseason info...

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 11:42 AM
Steelers Dream Offseason: (Bit skewed, but could potentially be realistic)

Front Office Pre-Draft Moves:

Resign : Najeh Davenport, Rodney Bailey (Unless Orien Harris is ready), Arnold Harrison(if his knee is ok), Nate Washington, Sean Morey, Tyrone Carter

Max Starks tendered as a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder..
(For this we'll go 2nd)

Free Agents That Make Sense:
*Daniel Graham, Patriots - Young guy who is a great blocker. He's overshadowed by Ben Watson. With the 2 headed monster of Maroney and Dillon, not to mention Kevin Faulk. With the Pats selection of David Thomas from Texas, it probably means Daniel Graham will be leaving. Not only is he a great blocker, but he has execellent hands. Pittsburghs running into a problem where Danimal Kreider is mainly a power rusher type blocker. In Front of Najeh he's fine, however with a Speedster like Willie, he doesn't have time to open a hole right away. With Graham, we'll give Kreider some breathers and go with a solid 2 TE Sets. We do some of this Now but Tuman is no where near the level Graham is.

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*Jordan Black - Another young guy with solid blocking skills. I'm sure KC Would be trying hard to sign him so i'm not Sure on this possibility, but if they don't think Willie Colon or Trai Essex are ready, I'm more comfortable with Black than an Unprepared Essex/Colon.

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*Cory Redding - 4 year player with Texas ties will look good next to Casey Hampton. 6'5 290 lbs. He could come in, Move Keisel back to his backup job on pass rushing downs. This would allow us to lose Bailey to Free Agency, and have a battle between Keisel, Kirschke and Orien Harris for the 2 backup spots. Redding, Hampton and Aaron Smith could Push San Diego for the best 3-4 Dline. Then again, I think The Browns could push to overpay Redding because of Lack of talent on the line, which we don't have to their degree.

http://www.detroitlions.com/photos/Redding_Body_050920_1.jpg

Guys that we may look at that affect our draft:
Kawika Mitchell, Ladell Betts.


Free Agents I want:

Adalius Thomas and Kawika Mitchell.

If we Get Mitchell we don't need a future at Farriors Position. Since I doubt the Chiefs will let him go, I won't consider it. I'm also more than Certain many a team will pay more than the steelers are willing for Adalius.


Draft Stipulations:

Trade down 10 spots for a 1st and 2nd ( Giants got 1st, 3rd and 4th for moving 7 spots back at the end of round 1).

Get a 4th and 5th from the losses of ARE and Kimo.

Draft:

1) Jake Long, OT, Michigan
Jake Long is only behind Joe Thomas for Best LT. He possesses monstrous size 6'7/6'8 and 320lbs. He possesses enough athleticism to jump in right away and be solid, not to mention, he is fast enough to pull. From watching him he's shut down alot of the best DE's in the big 10 and beyond. I think he's just as good in run blocking as pass blocking and instantly upgrades the Offensive line.

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2a) David Harris, ILB, Michigan - This kid is just a monster inside. He's first round talent. I know people love Patrick Willis, as I do. He's not a 3-4 ILB in my eyes. Buster Davis is undersized. It's one thing to be a small RB, but Buster has trouble with Disengaging from Olineman, and in the 3-4 he'd have to do that on every play and I have a feeling that he'd be very unproductive. David Harris already is at pro size with 6'2 and 250 lbs. Could add some without losing his speed or athleticism. Learning behind James Farrior will really give the Steelers a future monster to rebuild a linebacker core and turn it into the Steel Curtain 2.0. He has a nose for the ball. He is rarely out of position, but when he is he does possess enough natural abillity to make up for it.

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2b) Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU - Hines isn't exactly the youngest. We have a good 1-2 punch in Ward/Holmes. However, Ced hasn't done what we had hoped for at #2, So Holmes has #2 almost locked now. Nate Washington could end up being a solid #3, but that leaves us with unproven depth. Sean Morey actually caught a pass this past weekend, As much as I had begged to rid us of him. I'm glad we kept him over Chidi Iwuoma. Willie Reid has played in one game this season and up till then hasn't proved more than he doesn't fumble a punt return/kick return. I have a feeling once he gets healthy he could be a viable #3 option and a great returner. Bowe is too good to pass up. He has solid size at 6'3 220lbs. He's bailed JaMarcus out plenty of times. I think after a few years could be more than capable of being a #1.

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2c) Tony Hunt, RB, PSU - I wasn't agreeing with this pick all season, however I think with 3 picks in the 2nd, we certainly should pick him up. There's not many players here that we could grab to make a difference. He could be our 3rd down back. He'd be more than capable for taking over for Verron Haynes who's future is in doubt. I figured a UFA Pickup(LaDell Betts), We got Najeh after the draft, Cedric will be in training camp again. Tony Hunt was a WR coming into PSU, he's 6'2, 230 lbs, doesn't possess breakaway speed, but does maintain great hands, ability to take numerous hits before being tackled. Duce will be cut, and I think Hunt will give us a solid 1-2 punch.

http://www.cumberlink.com/PSUfootball/04/game01/images/0906_tony_hunt.jpg

3) Jarvis Moss, DE->OLB, Florida - I understand that he was suspended, no one knows why, to this point it's all speculation. He's 6'6 230lbs amazing Athleticism and plays DE. He could add 20 lbs, not lose speed, be stronger and this guy has an insane vertical. He could be our strongside replacement for Joey Porter. Porter is going to ask for huge contract, and that could cause problems. He's getting pretty old, at this point, if we sign him to a big contract, his play has certainly declined, we're basically going to give him a retirement fund and hope he does well. Does anyone remember what happened to Jason Gildon? We held on too long and he withered under us. I think We'd be wise to trade him, But he's a Cowher guy and I can't see it happening. If he were traded. Moss would have 2-3 years behind James Harrison, whos more than capable of being a monster at OLB in his own defense.

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4a) Brian Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri - Lucky for us he got injured. Smith was on par for the all-time Big XII Sack record. He would come in behind Haggans. He would challenge Arnold Harrison or force Cowher (or the new coach) to keep a 5th OLB. He's certainly fast enough to take up space in the pass defense (something Haggans lacks, coverage), but he's a beast. Having The Future Quadro of Moss, Harris, Foote and Smith is quite scary for the future.

http://lsu.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/photo/BRIAN%20SMITH%20267%20SID.JPG

4b) Jonathon Wade, CB, Tennessee - He's a hard hittin and extremely fast. Bryant has a lot of trouble covering faster WR's. Little known, but Jonathon Wade is the fastest man in the SEC. He played WR so you know he can catch the ball. Wade runs the 100m in a mere 10.2 seconds. He's seen elite WR's of the SEC.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/tenn/sports/m-track/03-04action/a-wade_1352.jpg

5a) Ryan Kalil, OC, USC
Centers Fall in draft. Heck Greg Eslinger was the #1 rated center for most of last season and even as the #2 fell to round 6. Kalil is an Athletic Center, but Dan Mozes, Enoka Lucas and Samson Satele could go higher than him, dropping him to us. Kalil comes in. Challenges Okobi, and Marvin Phillip. He could win the job, although I think Okobi Will Start and this will be the second season we carry 3 centers. Okobi has had 2 injuries this season (1 almost life threatening). Phillip is considered undersized. Kalil puts on 10 lbs and he's basically Hartings Size and he could be just as effective.

http://www.tsglogos.com/images/172_Kalil_Ryan_action1.jpg

5b) John Beck, QB, BYU - This Guy is not a game Manager, he's a passing Freak. He could sit behind Charlie Batch and learn the ropes for some time. I've talked to John Beck. He's hoping to go elsewhere because he wants to be a starter (I think He can). He said "Pittsburg would probably not be my top choice, roethlisberger will probably be there awhile, but I would love to give you an interview, just give me your phone number and I will call you when I have some extra time.", He's a really nice guy and the mold of a perfect "Steeler" Guy. However I would hope he goes elsewhere to start. So if I had other QB here? Andre Woodson, Brett Ratliff or Isaiah Stanback.

http://2006.ontheclockdraft.com/images/players/JohnBeck.jpg

6) Eric Foster, DT->ILB, Rutgers - Eric possesses tremendous Speed and agility for a defensive lineman. He's 6'3, 265lbs and has had plenty of practice disengaging blocks. He may drop to ILB and pull it off better than Teddy Bruschi.

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7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii - Ikaika is a big DE. He's 6'6 290 lbs (Almost the same as Cory Redding...) he's played in a 3-4 at DE for two years. I think he can come in and give us a young core of Backups waiting for a shot to start.

http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/media/Images/Gallery/alama-francis_ikaika_g1.jpg



UDFA's:

QB: Sawyer Smith, Portland State and/or Brett Ratliff, Utah
http://goviks.com/uploads/images/a-Smith111003.jpghttp://166.70.44.68/TribPhoto/photos/2005/byuutahtn7668_1119.jpg
Both have good arms, have shown pocket presence.

RB: Nate Ilaoa, Hawaii and Jackie Battle, Houston
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Ilaoa is 5'8 and is a bowling ball. Hard to be tackled. Battle is 6'1 and is a bruiser.. both are 250 lbs. Give us some bruisers (along with humes back) next season.

FB: Cory Anderson and Brandon Snow
Both are big guys and nimble on their feet. Snow cleared the way for Hunt. Why not.
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WR:

Chad Schroeder, WR, Texas A&M
Pure Speed, could be our big KR guy.
http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/football/images/action/250x250/schroeder-chad.jpg

David Sutton, WR, UTEP
Everyone Talks about Johnnie Lee Higgins. Schroeder is 6'4, 225 lbs. and he's a burner, could be a UDFA Steal.
http://ia.utep.edu/Portals/304/Sutton.UTEPvsTexasSouthern..jpg

Paul Thompson, QB/WR, Oklahoma
With Bomar Dismissed, He took over Quarterbacking duties. he's fast, can scramble and I don't think he's as accurate as Randel El Was, but he's also a bigger target.

http://www.blackathlete.net/Images/blackbox/pthompson1.jpg



OT:

Charles Myles, Illinois
Tony Volponi, Boise State
Dane Uperesa, Hawaii

OG:

Kurt Quarterman, Louisville
Paluani Ma Sun, Oregon
Tyler Kreig, California

OC:
Mike Bihl, Michigan
Matt Maddox, Illinois


DE:

Loren Howard, Arizona State
Melila Purcell, Hawaii
Matt Toeaina, Oregon
Paul Soliai, Utah

NT:
Juan Underwood, Marshall
Louis Leonard, Fresno State

OLB:

JJ Milan, Nevada
Ramon Guzman, Buffalo
Scott Lee, Houston
Jon Radford, Colorado State
Tony Taylor, Georgia

ILB:
Nate Harris Louisville
Zach Miles, Kansas State
Jarvis Jackson, Georgia

CB:

Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech
Joe Porter, Rutgers
Marcus Hamilton, Virginia

S:

Leonard Peters, Hawaii
Joe Sturdivant, SMU
Curtis Keyes, Marshall

DeathbyStat
11-26-2006, 12:52 PM
Yeah I think we need a linemen first round the ravens are eating us alive.

THav916
11-26-2006, 01:11 PM
Long, Branch, Willis, we need a lot of things right now.

Always enjoy reading offseason moves and draft projections. Mr Stiller, may I ask where you get your information?

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Long, Branch, Willis, we need a lot of things right now.

Always enjoy reading offseason moves and draft projections. Mr Stiller, may I ask where you get your information?

Such as what? Free Agents? I have premium on Kffl.com and www.theredzone.org

If Ben doesn't get some blocking soon I can see us needing a 1st round QB, because he won't be walking...

I'm not saying we'll gun after those guys.. but they're not necesarily big names and they certainly fill a void.

THav916
11-26-2006, 01:30 PM
Long, Branch, Willis, we need a lot of things right now.

Always enjoy reading offseason moves and draft projections. Mr Stiller, may I ask where you get your information?

Such as what? Free Agents? I have premium on Kffl.com and www.theredzone.org

If Ben doesn't get some blocking soon I can see us needing a 1st round QB, because he won't be walking...

I'm not saying we'll gun after those guys.. but they're not necesarily big names and they certainly fill a void.


You just seem to speak as if you know what's going to happen and worked with the Steelers and had inside information. I do enjoy reading your thoughts though. I don't like to get carried away with people writing rumor as if it's fact, but I love talking/reading offseason material.

This first half is horrible. I like to think we have several needs and will be able to take the best player available at a few positions....OL, DE, LB stand out to me.

11-26-2006, 01:33 PM
We don't even look like we want to play this game. The Steelers look so flat and it also seems like they really don't care.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 01:37 PM
We don't even look like we want to play this game. The Steelers look so flat and it also seems like they really don't care.

The Oline, Linebackers, and Corners.

Dline is playing to the top of their abilities, heck Keisel chased down a WR.

Troy P and Ryan Clark can't be everywhere to save McFadden or Townsend.

Ben and Willie can't do jack when the WR's don't get open and there's no light because theres like 8 Ravens in the backfield.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 01:38 PM
Long, Branch, Willis, we need a lot of things right now.

Always enjoy reading offseason moves and draft projections. Mr Stiller, may I ask where you get your information?

Such as what? Free Agents? I have premium on Kffl.com and www.theredzone.org

If Ben doesn't get some blocking soon I can see us needing a 1st round QB, because he won't be walking...

I'm not saying we'll gun after those guys.. but they're not necesarily big names and they certainly fill a void.


You just seem to speak as if you know what's going to happen and worked with the Steelers and had inside information. I do enjoy reading your thoughts though. I don't like to get carried away with people writing rumor as if it's fact, but I love talking/reading offseason material.

This first half is horrible. I like to think we have several needs and will be able to take the best player available at a few positions....OL, DE, LB stand out to me.

Oh sorry, No, this is just my opinion of the offseason

diabsoule
11-26-2006, 03:23 PM
What happened with us against the Ravens? I wasn't able to see any of the game...

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 03:24 PM
What happened with us against the Ravens? I wasn't able to see any of the game...



9 sacks.

the oline didn't block, the linebackers got smacked, and With Ike Benched, Bryant Mcfadden did jack.

11-26-2006, 03:27 PM
This is why I said we needed to get a big back in the off season. Parker is limited against some kinds of defense. When we don't run the ball well a defense like baltimore is gonna key on the pass all day. We can blame the o-line all we want, but the fact is we need to establish a running game to help them out in the pass blocking. If you look at the weeks we run the ball well, the o-line does a nice job of pass blocking. It's basic fundamentals of the game. Ben still is not 100% healthy and is also just not playing as smart as usual. Most of his stats are decent, it's the int's that have really hurt this year. I really believe the auto accident and not getting a big back has led us to alot of problems. Besides the fact the team has got to be affected and thinking about if Cowher is gonna be back or not. There are alot of crazy things going on in Pittsburgh right now and I think they just don't have a very good outlook for this season. You could almost sense what kind of season it was going to be in preseason. Alot of unanswered questions.

mikehop05
11-26-2006, 03:31 PM
the worst job done by an offensive line i have seen all year

i wont be able to make the game next week vs the bucs,i have 2 tickets if someone wants them.

The games are still fun to go to, regardless of the play of the Steelers.

But, we definetly need to get some offensive line help... and some passrushers.

THav916
11-26-2006, 03:31 PM
Draft time.

Ok, now I know people have their opinions, but you can't be closed minded on things. Just by example (and Mr Stiller I love all the info you provide) but a guy like Mr Stiller clearly wants Jake Long in his mock draft. But if you're open minded, you have to realize you are not the Steelers and that we don't always get what we want. Not to mention the guy we might want could be gone anyway. Which is why even though many of us will focus on just one player, we really should be looking at several and all possibilities.

To me, guys like Thomas, Long, Adams, Branch, Willis come to mind at the top of my wish list for round 1, whether by trade up or down. I've also seen people have strong opinions for and against CB. But I'm gonna throw out another idea, just as that, an idea. Not saying I want it, not saying I demand it.

Fresh off of watching Dwayne Jarrett last night, what would you people think about the idea of taking him, or a WR in general. Now like I said, I don't want you to get carried away like I think this would be our "Best" pick. But say a few other guys are gone. Say the execs still feel Big Ben could be one of the best 5 qb's in the game and this season was just a freaky abberation. Say we could fill some of our other needs by free agency and later rounds. What about getting another weapon to make our offense even more dynamic, have a potential outstanding 1-2 punch when Ward is gone, and get an absolute stud in the first round and worry about the rest later?

Try to have an open mind, but also feel free to disagree. I'd rather have other things too, but I'm not in charge of the Steelers and neither are you. And I want to just throw this out there because often I see the exact same things posted over and over about the Steelers draft. And as we all know after today, we're gonna have plenty of time to talk draft.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 03:31 PM
This is why I said we needed to get a big back in the off season. Parker is limited against some kinds of defense. When we don't run the ball well a defense like baltimore is gonna key on the pass all day. We can blame the o-line all we want, but the fact is we need to establish a running game to help them out in the pass blocking. If you look at the weeks we run the ball well, the o-line does a nice job of pass blocking. It's basic fundamentals of the game. Ben still is not 100% healthy and is also just not playing as smart as usual. Most of his stats are decent, it's the int's that have really hurt this year. I really believe the auto accident and not getting a big back has led us to alot of problems. Besides the fact the team has got to be affected and thinking about if Cowher is gonna be back or not. There are alot of crazy things going on in Pittsburgh right now and I think they just don't have a very good outlook for this season. You could almost sense what kind of season it was going to be in preseason. Alot of unanswered questions.

Why do we abandon the run on the road? Because the oline doesn't block well for it. Why is Willie So much more effective at home. Because normally the oline and defensive pass rush steps up and Ben isn't forced to throw 50 times.

You had to see the game today.. If you're giving up 9 sacks, and only 3 had blitzes. You're not going to be successful running the ball.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 03:34 PM
Draft time.

Ok, now I know people have their opinions, but you can't be closed minded on things. Just by example (and Mr Stiller I love all the info you provide) but a guy like Mr Stiller clearly wants Jake Long in his mock draft. But if you're open minded, you have to realize you are not the Steelers and that we don't always get what we want. Not to mention the guy we might want could be gone anyway. Which is why even though many of us will focus on just one player, we really should be looking at several and all possibilities.

To me, guys like Thomas, Long, Adams, Branch, Willis come to mind at the top of my wish list for round 1, whether by trade up or down. I've also seen people have strong opinions for and against CB. But I'm gonna throw out another idea, just as that, an idea. Not saying I want it, not saying I demand it.

Fresh off of watching Dwayne Jarrett last night, what would you people think about the idea of taking him, or a WR in general. Now like I said, I don't want you to get carried away like I think this would be our "Best" pick. But say a few other guys are gone. Say the execs still feel Big Ben could be one of the best 5 qb's in the game and this season was just a freaky abberation. Say we could fill some of our other needs by free agency and later rounds. What about getting another weapon to make our offense even more dynamic, have a potential outstanding 1-2 punch when Ward is gone, and get an absolute stud in the first round and worry about the rest later?

Try to have an open mind, but also feel free to disagree. I'd rather have other things too, but I'm not in charge of the Steelers and neither are you. And I want to just throw this out there because often I see the exact same things posted over and over about the Steelers draft. And as we all know after today, we're gonna have plenty of time to talk draft.

Actually THav i'm very open minded. Just after the recent play I think OT would be a perfect round 1 fix.

Watching the USC game last night, I almost wrote a different mock having Dwayne Jarrett #1 and Joe Staley 2b.

my mock changes if you see, this is just what I think could help from the current play, this isn't in stone and i'm more than willing to make a change if it will help.

11-26-2006, 03:38 PM
I haven't missed agame in 16 years. I saw the game today and willie was getting tackled when he went to the ouside. Against Defenses like the Ravens, they know he can't run up the middle so the concentrate on him going outside. It's no different than last year accept we had the bus who could come in and bail Parker out. It really isn't to hard to figure that out. Going into this season with Parker as our only back teams knew all about this. It also doesn't help that we kept a useless Staley and lost Haynes to an injury. I'm not saying our o-line isn't a problem, but it would have been nice if the Steelers would have actually tried getting a free agent. Instead we draft a guy like Humes I believe it was and we go after a safety in clarck, rather than going after a bigger need. I like Parker, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a premier enough back to go against some defenses in this league.

THav916
11-26-2006, 03:51 PM
This is why I said we needed to get a big back in the off season. Parker is limited against some kinds of defense. When we don't run the ball well a defense like baltimore is gonna key on the pass all day. We can blame the o-line all we want, but the fact is we need to establish a running game to help them out in the pass blocking. If you look at the weeks we run the ball well, the o-line does a nice job of pass blocking. It's basic fundamentals of the game. Ben still is not 100% healthy and is also just not playing as smart as usual. Most of his stats are decent, it's the int's that have really hurt this year. I really believe the auto accident and not getting a big back has led us to alot of problems. Besides the fact the team has got to be affected and thinking about if Cowher is gonna be back or not. There are alot of crazy things going on in Pittsburgh right now and I think they just don't have a very good outlook for this season. You could almost sense what kind of season it was going to be in preseason. Alot of unanswered questions.

Why do we abandon the run on the road? Because the oline doesn't block well for it. Why is Willie So much more effective at home. Because normally the oline and defensive pass rush steps up and Ben isn't forced to throw 50 times.

You had to see the game today.. If you're giving up 9 sacks, and only 3 had blitzes. You're not going to be successful running the ball.


Yea I agree with Mr Stiller. A big back wouldn't have changed much today. People love to criticize Parker when he doesn't do well, but give him no credit when he has a big game. We got down and needed to throw. I wanted LenDale as much as anyone, but also can't even imagine our passing game without Santonio. It's also an overrated stat that we can't win when Roethlisberger throws the ball 30+ times. Of course if we are down 2 scores and throwing, we're probably not going to win, and the stats end up like that. But like last week, in a close game, we can throw to win, and often throw to get the lead, and then sit on it with a running game. But back to the original point, I don't think a big back changes much today. I enjoy Najeh in there, wouldn't mind adding a bigtime big back to pair with Willie, but I think we have too many other needs to target this as a main need right now.

I'm hoping for responses to my previous post. I guess this post would ask the question, Michael Bush round 1 (trade down) or round 2, would anyone want to do this to and then worry about needs later. I personally am not a fan of adding a guy like Hunt or Leonard in the mid rounds and would rather go with a legit stud like Bush, but just think we have far too many other needs to take a RB in round 1.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 04:03 PM
This is why I said we needed to get a big back in the off season. Parker is limited against some kinds of defense. When we don't run the ball well a defense like baltimore is gonna key on the pass all day. We can blame the o-line all we want, but the fact is we need to establish a running game to help them out in the pass blocking. If you look at the weeks we run the ball well, the o-line does a nice job of pass blocking. It's basic fundamentals of the game. Ben still is not 100% healthy and is also just not playing as smart as usual. Most of his stats are decent, it's the int's that have really hurt this year. I really believe the auto accident and not getting a big back has led us to alot of problems. Besides the fact the team has got to be affected and thinking about if Cowher is gonna be back or not. There are alot of crazy things going on in Pittsburgh right now and I think they just don't have a very good outlook for this season. You could almost sense what kind of season it was going to be in preseason. Alot of unanswered questions.

Why do we abandon the run on the road? Because the oline doesn't block well for it. Why is Willie So much more effective at home. Because normally the oline and defensive pass rush steps up and Ben isn't forced to throw 50 times.

You had to see the game today.. If you're giving up 9 sacks, and only 3 had blitzes. You're not going to be successful running the ball.


Yea I agree with Mr Stiller. A big back wouldn't have changed much today. People love to criticize Parker when he doesn't do well, but give him no credit when he has a big game. We got down and needed to throw. I wanted LenDale as much as anyone, but also can't even imagine our passing game without Santonio. It's also an overrated stat that we can't win when Roethlisberger throws the ball 30+ times. Of course if we are down 2 scores and throwing, we're probably not going to win, and the stats end up like that. But like last week, in a close game, we can throw to win, and often throw to get the lead, and then sit on it with a running game. But back to the original point, I don't think a big back changes much today. I enjoy Najeh in there, wouldn't mind adding a bigtime big back to pair with Willie, but I think we have too many other needs to target this as a main need right now.

I'm hoping for responses to my previous post. I guess this post would ask the question, Michael Bush round 1 (trade down) or round 2, would anyone want to do this to and then worry about needs later. I personally am not a fan of adding a guy like Hunt or Leonard in the mid rounds and would rather go with a legit stud like Bush, but just think we have far too many other needs to take a RB in round 1.

I'm not a fan of Michael Bush. He runs too upright and in fact thats why he broke his ankle, if he had lowered his center he would've fell forward and lined back up.

I'm Guessing either the Redskins will Cut TJ Duckett or We could Sign LaDell Betts, I think thats a better route.

THav916
11-26-2006, 04:03 PM
Draft time.

Ok, now I know people have their opinions, but you can't be closed minded on things. Just by example (and Mr Stiller I love all the info you provide) but a guy like Mr Stiller clearly wants Jake Long in his mock draft. But if you're open minded, you have to realize you are not the Steelers and that we don't always get what we want. Not to mention the guy we might want could be gone anyway. Which is why even though many of us will focus on just one player, we really should be looking at several and all possibilities.

To me, guys like Thomas, Long, Adams, Branch, Willis come to mind at the top of my wish list for round 1, whether by trade up or down. I've also seen people have strong opinions for and against CB. But I'm gonna throw out another idea, just as that, an idea. Not saying I want it, not saying I demand it.

Fresh off of watching Dwayne Jarrett last night, what would you people think about the idea of taking him, or a WR in general. Now like I said, I don't want you to get carried away like I think this would be our "Best" pick. But say a few other guys are gone. Say the execs still feel Big Ben could be one of the best 5 qb's in the game and this season was just a freaky abberation. Say we could fill some of our other needs by free agency and later rounds. What about getting another weapon to make our offense even more dynamic, have a potential outstanding 1-2 punch when Ward is gone, and get an absolute stud in the first round and worry about the rest later?

Try to have an open mind, but also feel free to disagree. I'd rather have other things too, but I'm not in charge of the Steelers and neither are you. And I want to just throw this out there because often I see the exact same things posted over and over about the Steelers draft. And as we all know after today, we're gonna have plenty of time to talk draft.

Actually THav i'm very open minded. Just after the recent play I think OT would be a perfect round 1 fix.

Watching the USC game last night, I almost wrote a different mock having Dwayne Jarrett #1 and Joe Staley 2b.

my mock changes if you see, this is just what I think could help from the current play, this isn't in stone and i'm more than willing to make a change if it will help.

Seriously was he (Jarrett) not unreal?!?! Good, I love havin someone knowledgable on here AND open-minded. I need to get back and posting more often. I have no problems with your affinity for a OT. I would love a stud LT in there. However, say Thomas and Long are gone. I don't want to reach for a OT when we have other needs. Not just one choice, but what are you thinking if neither Thomas or Long was our choice?

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 04:05 PM
Draft time.

Ok, now I know people have their opinions, but you can't be closed minded on things. Just by example (and Mr Stiller I love all the info you provide) but a guy like Mr Stiller clearly wants Jake Long in his mock draft. But if you're open minded, you have to realize you are not the Steelers and that we don't always get what we want. Not to mention the guy we might want could be gone anyway. Which is why even though many of us will focus on just one player, we really should be looking at several and all possibilities.

To me, guys like Thomas, Long, Adams, Branch, Willis come to mind at the top of my wish list for round 1, whether by trade up or down. I've also seen people have strong opinions for and against CB. But I'm gonna throw out another idea, just as that, an idea. Not saying I want it, not saying I demand it.

Fresh off of watching Dwayne Jarrett last night, what would you people think about the idea of taking him, or a WR in general. Now like I said, I don't want you to get carried away like I think this would be our "Best" pick. But say a few other guys are gone. Say the execs still feel Big Ben could be one of the best 5 qb's in the game and this season was just a freaky abberation. Say we could fill some of our other needs by free agency and later rounds. What about getting another weapon to make our offense even more dynamic, have a potential outstanding 1-2 punch when Ward is gone, and get an absolute stud in the first round and worry about the rest later?

Try to have an open mind, but also feel free to disagree. I'd rather have other things too, but I'm not in charge of the Steelers and neither are you. And I want to just throw this out there because often I see the exact same things posted over and over about the Steelers draft. And as we all know after today, we're gonna have plenty of time to talk draft.

Actually THav i'm very open minded. Just after the recent play I think OT would be a perfect round 1 fix.

Watching the USC game last night, I almost wrote a different mock having Dwayne Jarrett #1 and Joe Staley 2b.

my mock changes if you see, this is just what I think could help from the current play, this isn't in stone and i'm more than willing to make a change if it will help.

Seriously was he (Jarrett) not unreal?!?! Good, I love havin someone knowledgable on here AND open-minded. I need to get back and posting more often. I have no problems with your affinity for a OT. I would love a stud LT in there. However, say Thomas and Long are gone. I don't want to reach for a OT when we have other needs. Not just one choice, but what are you thinking if neither Thomas or Long was our choice?


Well it would change the complexion of my draft but.

As much as I don't think Woodley can do it, He would've been someone to look at.

So, Gaines, Jarrett, Levi Brown, Sam Baker, Quentin Moses and Darrelle Revis.

THav916
11-26-2006, 04:12 PM
This is why I said we needed to get a big back in the off season. Parker is limited against some kinds of defense. When we don't run the ball well a defense like baltimore is gonna key on the pass all day. We can blame the o-line all we want, but the fact is we need to establish a running game to help them out in the pass blocking. If you look at the weeks we run the ball well, the o-line does a nice job of pass blocking. It's basic fundamentals of the game. Ben still is not 100% healthy and is also just not playing as smart as usual. Most of his stats are decent, it's the int's that have really hurt this year. I really believe the auto accident and not getting a big back has led us to alot of problems. Besides the fact the team has got to be affected and thinking about if Cowher is gonna be back or not. There are alot of crazy things going on in Pittsburgh right now and I think they just don't have a very good outlook for this season. You could almost sense what kind of season it was going to be in preseason. Alot of unanswered questions.

Why do we abandon the run on the road? Because the oline doesn't block well for it. Why is Willie So much more effective at home. Because normally the oline and defensive pass rush steps up and Ben isn't forced to throw 50 times.

You had to see the game today.. If you're giving up 9 sacks, and only 3 had blitzes. You're not going to be successful running the ball.


Yea I agree with Mr Stiller. A big back wouldn't have changed much today. People love to criticize Parker when he doesn't do well, but give him no credit when he has a big game. We got down and needed to throw. I wanted LenDale as much as anyone, but also can't even imagine our passing game without Santonio. It's also an overrated stat that we can't win when Roethlisberger throws the ball 30+ times. Of course if we are down 2 scores and throwing, we're probably not going to win, and the stats end up like that. But like last week, in a close game, we can throw to win, and often throw to get the lead, and then sit on it with a running game. But back to the original point, I don't think a big back changes much today. I enjoy Najeh in there, wouldn't mind adding a bigtime big back to pair with Willie, but I think we have too many other needs to target this as a main need right now.

I'm hoping for responses to my previous post. I guess this post would ask the question, Michael Bush round 1 (trade down) or round 2, would anyone want to do this to and then worry about needs later. I personally am not a fan of adding a guy like Hunt or Leonard in the mid rounds and would rather go with a legit stud like Bush, but just think we have far too many other needs to take a RB in round 1.

I'm not a fan of Michael Bush. He runs too upright and in fact thats why he broke his ankle, if he had lowered his center he would've fell forward and lined back up.

I'm Guessing either the Redskins will Cut TJ Duckett or We could Sign LaDell Betts, I think thats a better route.

Skins giving up a 3rd round pick for Duckett was a joke. I didn't want to go near him this past offseason and I hope we don't this offseason or any other. Betts does a nice job, but I'd look to spend money elsewhere. Who knows if we'd even consider it so it's not worth debating at the moment.

Maybe 07 is Staley's year!!!!!!!! (if one person takes this serious u should be banned)

richdg
11-26-2006, 04:25 PM
Ok, I think we all can agree that we are out of the playoffs. Even if by some weird chance we make it, we are not going anywhere. We have to many players taking the year off. We are heading to a big off season. Cowher is most likely going to retire. So we need a new coach. That will be item 1 on the things to do list. Who are the leading candidates? Some of the names from earlier are : Wisenhunt, Grimm, Wandstat, Capers, and I'm sure there are a couple of others. Next, the review of the players. We have needs on the OL, LB, RB, DB, and maybe WR and QB.
When looking at the 2 squads There are very few players that should be guarented spots. On O the onlu ones that should be safe are: Ben, Parker, Miller, and maybe Holmes. Yes, Faneca and M. Smith are very good players, but they are 30, have large contracts and are some of the few players with any trade value. On D, the DLmen are all safe. Only Foote is safe at LB, and Troy, Taylor, and McFadden sould be safe at DB. Reed is safe a K. Everyone else needs to be pushed, or replaced.
Now, don't read this that I am saying we need to trade Ward, Faneca, M. Smith, but we shoudl listen to any offers that come along. It will take us a couple of years, under a new coach, to be ready for a serious run in the playoffs. Most of those guys will be in their mid 30's when we are ready. Yes, all are great players, all are fan fav's. But they are very expensive and are the only ones with trade value.

THav916
11-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Actually THav i'm very open minded. Just after the recent play I think OT would be a perfect round 1 fix.

Watching the USC game last night, I almost wrote a different mock having Dwayne Jarrett #1 and Joe Staley 2b.

my mock changes if you see, this is just what I think could help from the current play, this isn't in stone and i'm more than willing to make a change if it will help.[/quote]

Seriously was he (Jarrett) not unreal?!?! Good, I love havin someone knowledgable on here AND open-minded. I need to get back and posting more often. I have no problems with your affinity for a OT. I would love a stud LT in there. However, say Thomas and Long are gone. I don't want to reach for a OT when we have other needs. Not just one choice, but what are you thinking if neither Thomas or Long was our choice?[/quote]


Well it would change the complexion of my draft but.

As much as I don't think Woodley can do it, He would've been someone to look at.

So, Gaines, Jarrett, Levi Brown, Sam Baker, Quentin Moses and Darrelle Revis.[/quote]

Agreed. I'd like to give Woodley a long look because I think if he could do it, he could excel. The rest of the list looks good. I notice no Willis but I know your thoughts on him. I see no Posluszny either. Sometimes I think he's not the kind of LB we need, but then I think of 3 things. He is coming off an injury, he has less around him, and they moved him to MLB this year where his play has been less spectacular but more solid. Part of me thinks a team could be getting a steal with him. But another part of me isn't sold on him. We need a stud, impact, animal at OLB.

The O-line is being bashed today, and rightfully so. Don't get me wrong, they didn't play well. But how many of those sacks were simply someone coming in untouched? What was up with the schemes today? They commented on post game radio that during the game Grimm was huddling with the offense looking at pictures, indicating the Ravens were doing something they weren't ready for. Maybe some of the sacks were offensive lineman getting beaten, but many were not. The Steelers needed to do one of two things and did neither. A. Keep an extra TE or two in and just send out 2 or 3 receivers. Or B. Have 4 wr's but send them all on real quick, short patterns. But we continued to see 7 step drops, pump fakes, men running in free at Roethlisberger, and Roethlisberger making horrible and slow decisions.

Smooth Criminal
11-26-2006, 04:51 PM
Anyone who wathed the game today and doesn't think O-line is our biggest need is an idiot. Ben was hurried on every play and sacked 9 times. Willie was hit behidn the line every time he had the ball.

The entire line looked bad today. Everyone. We need some major repairs before next season on there.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 04:52 PM
Anyone who wathed the game today and doesn't think O-line is our biggest need is an idiot. Ben was hurried on every play and sacked 9 times. Willie was hit behidn the line every time he had the ball.

The entire line looked bad today. Everyone. We need some major repairs before next season on there.

I'm a huge fan of Russ Grimm, but I don't think he's doing what he needs to do... we should Hire Haselrig as Oline Coach.

THav916
11-26-2006, 05:15 PM
Anyone who wathed the game today and doesn't think O-line is our biggest need is an idiot. Ben was hurried on every play and sacked 9 times. Willie was hit behidn the line every time he had the ball.

The entire line looked bad today. Everyone. We need some major repairs before next season on there.

Talk about a post that annoys me. You think we have one need? You think your opinion is the only one that matters/correct? You think our schemes were good and you think Ben made good decisions? Our offensive line was horrible, but if you think that's our only need, I beg to differ. Our linebackers make no plays. Our ends get no pressure. The front 7 needs improvement. The offensive line needs improvement. I hate when people come on here and call people idiots. Plus no matter what you, I, or anyone else thinks, we're not making the personnel decisions so must be open minded about several ways the Steelers could go. This site is nice for opinions, not arguments.

Smooth Criminal
11-26-2006, 05:29 PM
Where in my post does it say only? Thats right, nowhere. O-line is clearly the biggest need. Ben had no time all day and there was never a hole for Willie to run through. You can't watch this game, or even the entire season and make a case that we have been weaker in any other area. Starks and Simmons have looked bad all year and Marvel got destoryed this week. Every play it seemed or O-line was completely beaten.

Sure our defense didn't play up to the level it usually does but when you put 0 points on the board the blame has to go to the offense. Ben didn't play that bad today. He had alot of nice passes, including one to Nate Washington that was dropped in the endzone. The only bad play I can think of that he made was the INT to end the game but at that point it was already over. Ben played good enough for us to win, the O-line did not.

dcarey20
11-26-2006, 05:45 PM
domination

Ravens1991
11-26-2006, 05:57 PM
GG no need to rub it in dcarey

THav916
11-26-2006, 06:57 PM
Where in my post does it say only? Thats right, nowhere. O-line is clearly the biggest need. Ben had no time all day and there was never a hole for Willie to run through. You can't watch this game, or even the entire season and make a case that we have been weaker in any other area. Starks and Simmons have looked bad all year and Marvel got destoryed this week. Every play it seemed or O-line was completely beaten.

Sure our defense didn't play up to the level it usually does but when you put 0 points on the board the blame has to go to the offense. Ben didn't play that bad today. He had alot of nice passes, including one to Nate Washington that was dropped in the endzone. The only bad play I can think of that he made was the INT to end the game but at that point it was already over. Ben played good enough for us to win, the O-line did not.

I think O-line is a big need but I don't think it's any bigger than improving the defense. Game to game, week to week, a different position looks the worst. And while you didn't say this, I think even if the o-line is considered our biggest need, I don't think we must go after an o-lineman in the first round. We have several areas to improve. We'll be in a position of top 10, or at least top 15 in the draft. I'd rather go for best player available at a variety of positions and don't think o-line is a must for round 1.

Smooth Criminal
11-26-2006, 07:01 PM
O-line has been a position that we like to adress in the first round. Picking in the top 10 or 15 we'll have our choice of the best lineman on the board including Jake Long and Sam Baker who would help us out alot if Starks isn't signed back.

Linebacker is a need but it isn't nearly as much as O-line that has been shakey all year. Plus we havn't gone after first round linebackers in a long time. I don't see them changing the draft strategy at this point.

THav916
11-26-2006, 07:06 PM
O-line has been a position that we like to adress in the first round. Picking in the top 10 or 15 we'll have our choice of the best lineman on the board including Jake Long and Sam Baker who would help us out alot if Starks isn't signed back.

Linebacker is a need but it isn't nearly as much as O-line that has been shakey all year. Plus we havn't gone after first round linebackers in a long time. I don't see them changing the draft strategy at this point.

Then we can agree to disagree. Neither of us run the Steelers. I like to throw out "opinions". You seem to like to throw out "facts". The draft is a long ways away. I personally don't like o-line and o-line only in round 1. No big deal.

richdg
11-26-2006, 08:03 PM
Let's go through the team, as of today.
QB. Ben is fine, if he has time to throw. Has great leadership. Batch is fine as a backup. We do need a yound QB, to develop to replace batch in a couple of years. Day 2 pick.

RB. Parker is fine as the starter. But he does eed a powerback to spell him. If Davenport is that guy, then let's play him and make sure. Even if Davenport is that guy, we need another. Davenport has a long history of getting hurt. Plus at this time we only have 2 RB's under contract for next season. Parker and Staley. This is a day 1 need.

WR. Ward is great. But he is expensive, and one of the few players with any trade value. If someone makes a good offer, we have to consider it. Holmes, Washington, and reid are all young, small, and fast. There is a lot of talent here, but we should find someone with some size. Day 2 need, unless Ward is moved.

TE. Miller is a future All-Pro and Tuman is solid. A third TE is needed, preferably a large blocking specialist. Day 2 need.

OL. What a mess. We need at least 3 new starters. Hartings is gone, Starks and Simmons should be. Chris K. looked very good when he started, so PLAY HIM!!!!!! Colon is another large 6-3/330 young lineman, give hima try. If I was in charge, I would bench Hartings, move Faneca to C (he can play anywhere) and try Colon at LG. This could fill 2 of the 3 holes. Or at least give us answers if these spots are filled. Smith is solid, but again, he is a high priced vet, with trade value. But trading him opens another hole. This is a day 1need, maybe even 2 picks here.

K/P. Reed is fine. Gardocki needs to be replaced. His punts keep getting shorter and shorter.

DL. This is the strongest part of our team. Smith, Hampton, and Keisel have all played well. No, they don't make a lot of big plays, but that is not their role. They are supposed to free up the LB's to make the plays. they are doing that, the LB's are not. No need to draft here.

LB's. Foote has played well, but the rest have dropped off this year. Is this a long term problem, or just a one year thing. It is most likely a long term problem. Farrior, Porter, and Haggans are all on the wrong side of 30. This is the age, were players start to decline. Do Wallace or Harrison have a future as a starter? Let's find out. This is a day 1 need.

DB's. Taylor, Troy and McFadden are all young and talented. All have struggled this year. All should be given another shot. Townsend needs to go. he can't cover me. And I am an old slow guy. Is Ricardo C. coming back? This area is a day 1 need.

When I add this up, we need 4 or 5 picks on day 1 to fill holes. We have 3 picks. There is always the possibility of FA, but we are always close to the cap.
As for who to pick or look at/debate about, lets wait to see who is actually in the draft. Yes, Long, Baker, Branch and others would be good picks, but we don't know if they are even coming out yet.

THav916
11-26-2006, 08:23 PM
Let's go through the team, as of today.
QB. Ben is fine, if he has time to throw. Has great leadership. Batch is fine as a backup. We do need a yound QB, to develop to replace batch in a couple of years. Day 2 pick.

RB. Parker is fine as the starter. But he does eed a powerback to spell him. If Davenport is that guy, then let's play him and make sure. Even if Davenport is that guy, we need another. Davenport has a long history of getting hurt. Plus at this time we only have 2 RB's under contract for next season. Parker and Staley. This is a day 1 need.

WR. Ward is great. But he is expensive, and one of the few players with any trade value. If someone makes a good offer, we have to consider it. Holmes, Washington, and reid are all young, small, and fast. There is a lot of talent here, but we should find someone with some size. Day 2 need, unless Ward is moved.

TE. Miller is a future All-Pro and Tuman is solid. A third TE is needed, preferably a large blocking specialist. Day 2 need.

OL. What a mess. We need at least 3 new starters. Hartings is gone, Starks and Simmons should be. Chris K. looked very good when he started, so PLAY HIM!!!!!! Colon is another large 6-3/330 young lineman, give hima try. If I was in charge, I would bench Hartings, move Faneca to C (he can play anywhere) and try Colon at LG. This could fill 2 of the 3 holes. Or at least give us answers if these spots are filled. Smith is solid, but again, he is a high priced vet, with trade value. But trading him opens another hole. This is a day 1need, maybe even 2 picks here.

K/P. Reed is fine. Gardocki needs to be replaced. His punts keep getting shorter and shorter.

DL. This is the strongest part of our team. Smith, Hampton, and Keisel have all played well. No, they don't make a lot of big plays, but that is not their role. They are supposed to free up the LB's to make the plays. they are doing that, the LB's are not. No need to draft here.

LB's. Foote has played well, but the rest have dropped off this year. Is this a long term problem, or just a one year thing. It is most likely a long term problem. Farrior, Porter, and Haggans are all on the wrong side of 30. This is the age, were players start to decline. Do Wallace or Harrison have a future as a starter? Let's find out. This is a day 1 need.

DB's. Taylor, Troy and McFadden are all young and talented. All have struggled this year. All should be given another shot. Townsend needs to go. he can't cover me. And I am an old slow guy. Is Ricardo C. coming back? This area is a day 1 need.

When I add this up, we need 4 or 5 picks on day 1 to fill holes. We have 3 picks. There is always the possibility of FA, but we are always close to the cap.
As for who to pick or look at/debate about, lets wait to see who is actually in the draft. Yes, Long, Baker, Branch and others would be good picks, but we don't know if they are even coming out yet.

Great post. Agree with just about everything. And that's a good way of breaking down what is a day 1 need, and then figure out who to pick based on who's there at those positions.

Nitpicking, but one thing I differ on is D-Line. I pretty much agree with what you said, but I'm always tempted to get a stud here if possible. Seems as if we're satisfied having solid players here, but what a bonus it would be if we had a do-it-all stud here. Harris and Nua are young but unproven. Smith is getting a little older. Now, by no means am I saying this is a day 1 need, cuz I agree it's not a need. But I'd be tempted by a guy like Alan Branch, if it was the right situation. Agreed we have bigger needs but could always go after them later. Sit the DE for a year, and then have him ready to dominate. (remember, only if in perfect situation, Branch might not even come out, be available, or work out as a good DE).

But like I said, just nitpicking. What I really agree on, is letting the young guys play. And now that we're officially out, it's more than officially time. Colon, Essex, Kemoeatu, Okobi, and Phillip are 5 young o-lineman on the roster. I see no harm at all in seeing what they can do, in spurts here and there if nothing else. Rian Wallace is the main guy on defense I'd like to see.

Guys like Townsend, Staley, Hartings, Logan, Wilson all seem like possibilities to be gone this offseason, without contracts coming in to play. All nice parts of the past, but need to get some new and young talent in there.

Just like you mentioned trading Ward if the situation was right, I'd do the same with Faneca. I don't think he's playing that well this year and just saying in the right situation. The way I see it, we can give 4 guys a chance at center other than Hartings.... Faneca, Simmons, Okobi, and Phillip.

LB might even need 2 selections on day 1. RB I think is a possible day 1 need. But do agree it'd be nice to see Najeh throughout the game.

Just throwin out some other things, but like I said earlier, great post.

richdg
11-26-2006, 08:55 PM
That is the thing. We have more than 1 or 2 needs. So, the front office has to decide what to do. Even now we can't answer that, because we don't know who the coach will be. Till that question is answered, it is all mout. The next coach may want to run a spread O or a 4-3 D. So, untill then we don't know what we need. Yes we know we need OLmen, but do we need the large zone blocking type, or the smaller trapping type.

mikehop05
11-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Our offensive line has to be a #1 priority.

But, sitting where we will when draft time come (between 10 and 20 im guessing) if there is a top rated reciever left, such as a Jarrett or Samardzija (depending on what happens with the MLB and his combine), or another top rated player available, do we take them, the best play available, or do we trade down and addresse the offensive line in the first round.

Personally, i would like us to get the best player available, minus RB, QB, DL (not including DE/OLB tweeners) and Saftey.

I just think that just about every other position could use a round one pick and that it would benefit the steelers.

The Steelrs O-Line has been struggling all season, but keep in mind the rivavlry between PITT and BAL, and how nasty BAL's defense is, and how they just came to play today.

richdg
11-26-2006, 09:19 PM
This has been a problem all year. Not just in today's game.

mikehop05
11-26-2006, 09:27 PM
yeah i know, but not to the extent of 9 sacks and what, like 15 hurries and 10 knockdowns, something ridiculous...

but back to my original point i think the steelers go BPA

CDub
11-26-2006, 09:47 PM
THav - I wish I could go back to some of my previous posts to quote now, but it's nice to see more intelligent posters comming back, as you, richdg, mr. stiller, and smooth have all recently expressed some of the same opinions that I had posted back in Aug.

Some of the problems that I saw in the preseason have really come to light as the season has progressed, most notably the lackluster performance of the O-line and a team-wide lack of motivation.

Without going into great detail, yet, the positions that I currently feel we need to see the most improvement from between now and next year are:

1. OT
2. OLB
3. OG
4. ILB
5. CB
6. WR
7. KR/PR
8. RB

In the near future I will go into detail on each of these positions and the list is flexible depending on the positional play throughout the remainder of the season.

Obviously this is just my opinion and the list, as well as how to address each of the problems, is up for debate.

As for drafting someone like Dwayne Jarrett, some size at the WR pos. is certainly a need in my mind and if we were to draft him I would not have a problem with that at all (I'd actually be pretty excited). The thing is, as you, and I, have said it all depends on what the front office feels is the biggest concern, who they have ranked where on their board, and who is available when we draft.

As I have said before, it is always fun to speculate on the future moves of your favorite team, what sucks is waiting to find out what happens and how close your predictions are.

richdg
11-26-2006, 10:05 PM
There are several ways to improve. We jsut need to find out, who on the roster can cut it. Example I like Krieder, but picking up Leonard helps the running game, the passing game, and the blocking game. So which way do we go. yes, a great DLmen can improve our overall D, so Branch, if he comes out is a possability.

S4L
11-26-2006, 10:13 PM
If someone can, I need to find out the last time the Steelers were shut out twice in one season. I'm working on an article, and I'm having trouble finding past schedules (before 2002).

CDub
11-26-2006, 10:30 PM
1989 - we were shut out 3 times that year, let's hope that doesn't happen again.

S4L
11-26-2006, 10:32 PM
1989 - we were shut out 3 times that year, let's hope that doesn't happen again.

Thanks! :D

THav916
11-26-2006, 11:18 PM
THav - I wish I could go back to some of my previous posts to quote now, but it's nice to see more intelligent posters comming back, as you, richdg, mr. stiller, and smooth have all recently expressed some of the same opinions that I had posted back in Aug.

Some of the problems that I saw in the preseason have really come to light as the season has progressed, most notably the lackluster performance of the O-line and a team-wide lack of motivation.

Without going into great detail, yet, the positions that I currently feel we need to see the most improvement from between now and next year are:

1. OT
2. OLB
3. OG
4. ILB
5. CB
6. WR
7. KR/PR
8. RB

In the near future I will go into detail on each of these positions and the list is flexible depending on the positional play throughout the remainder of the season.

Obviously this is just my opinion and the list, as well as how to address each of the problems, is up for debate.

As for drafting someone like Dwayne Jarrett, some size at the WR pos. is certainly a need in my mind and if we were to draft him I would not have a problem with that at all (I'd actually be pretty excited). The thing is, as you, and I, have said it all depends on what the front office feels is the biggest concern, who they have ranked where on their board, and who is available when we draft.

As I have said before, it is always fun to speculate on the future moves of your favorite team, what sucks is waiting to find out what happens and how close your predictions are.

CDub, Thank you and certainly look forward to your posts and thoughts. Seems like we have real similar thoughts on this board. Awesome to read and write but an understanding we really don't have any say so in what happens, meaning we need to be open minded. I agree on a guy like Jarrett. We have other needs, bigger needs, but IF the pick was made, I could easily buy into the reasons and be excited. I still feel like Roethlisberger can be a great QB. I'm all for the Steelers running the ball, but I don't want to purposely not give Ben great weapons. An offensive line would be imperative if Ben is to become a top 5 qb, but i think that can happen in several varieties other than drafting a OT in the 1st round.

It'd be nice to only have one weakness but that's just not us right now. It's sad that in your list of needs, the first 4 positions are basically 2 positions (O-line and LB).

I'm a big fan of best player available at a position of need in the 1st round. You have 6 other rounds and all of free agency to worry about need. I like coming out of round 1 with a stud. Not only do I not like pin-pointing someone or some position because I think you can get into trouble with reaching, but it's not our decision anyway and we don't know if the Steelers are pin-pointing on that same position.

I know sometimes the Steelers take certain players in certain rounds or vice versa, or have somewhat of a history of how a position is supposed to be played, but I don't always buy into this theory. I'm always up for making the Steelers better than ever. Whether that's getting a freak 3-4 DE that's better than our average do what it takes guy, or drafting a first round WR (like last year when many were against) to give Ben weapons upon weapons, or even drafting a lockdown corner cuz we're used to giving the WR a 10 yard cushion. However, I'm also aware a strength of our team needs to be linebackers (if we're in a 3-4) and every team in the NFL needs a strong offensive line, and currently those positions are hurting. We need lots of help.

Mr. Stiller
11-26-2006, 11:24 PM
Depending on the coach...

If it's a college coach, who knows, we might be drafting their players..

Tressell (Ginn, Datish, Smith)
Carr ( Long, Harris, Hall, Burgess, Branch)


Just off the top of my head.. not saying we will. But it's possible.

THav916
11-26-2006, 11:25 PM
There are several ways to improve. We jsut need to find out, who on the roster can cut it. Example I like Krieder, but picking up Leonard helps the running game, the passing game, and the blocking game. So which way do we go. yes, a great DLmen can improve our overall D, so Branch, if he comes out is a possability.

Richdg, I agree with what you've been saying as well. The only thing I'm not sure about with Leonard is if he can be a bigtime blocking FB. I know he has really improved in that area this year, but the NFL could be different. I'm not even really sure. Even Mike Alstott, one of the last bigtime FB's to come out, couldnt' really ever cut it as a pure blocking back, and his pro bowls withstanding, think his value was overrated. Now perhaps Leonard could be a great blocked AND do other things, OR maybe they're fine with taking him as a replacement to Verron that can do a lot of things. I guess it depends how he works out and what type of role they're looking for.

I'm biased, and looking way too far ahead, but if we pass on FB this year, I'm already pulling for Owen Schmitt, FB WVU, in the 08 draft (very late). No need to analyze this comment though, I'll be the first to admit it's a bit asanine.

I've stated I love Branch and the idea of a bigtime DE before, and hate when others just continue to write the same things over and over, but since you commented, lol, I'll just agree that I'd love the idea of taking a guy like him first round, then grabbing a LB in round 2, and all of a sudden the front 7 is looking better.

Teams are always finding Marcus McNeils, Nick Kaczurs, Ryan OCallaghans, I just wish the Steelers could do the same. We do have plenty of youth on the roster though. Here's hoping they give them some time!

DeathbyStat
11-27-2006, 09:39 AM
Offensive line is really problem, but the steelers already have alot of young talent on their bench. The bigger question than if we are going to a line men in the first round, is what are we going to do with Max Starks, personally he think he is awfull but he is awfully young. If we would give a 2-3 year incentive laden deal I think we should do it. As far as first round draft pick I think we need to take the best player on the board. As far as linemen I like and I think the Steelers would like the verstility of C/G Kyle Young or T/G Justin Blaylock.

Mr. Stiller
11-27-2006, 09:44 AM
There are several ways to improve. We jsut need to find out, who on the roster can cut it. Example I like Krieder, but picking up Leonard helps the running game, the passing game, and the blocking game. So which way do we go. yes, a great DLmen can improve our overall D, so Branch, if he comes out is a possability.

Richdg, I agree with what you've been saying as well. The only thing I'm not sure about with Leonard is if he can be a bigtime blocking FB. I know he has really improved in that area this year, but the NFL could be different. I'm not even really sure. Even Mike Alstott, one of the last bigtime FB's to come out, couldnt' really ever cut it as a pure blocking back, and his pro bowls withstanding, think his value was overrated. Now perhaps Leonard could be a great blocked AND do other things, OR maybe they're fine with taking him as a replacement to Verron that can do a lot of things. I guess it depends how he works out and what type of role they're looking for.



my opinion is Leonard is fast and strong enough to hold the block at point of attack. He's much faster than Kreider and in fact if he can block and disengage for Ray Rice as well as he has... He could do the same for Willie. I love Dan Kreider, but he's a power blocker, Leonards a finesse speed blocker, that can catch and run the ball. Giving us another target. I don't care about history as much as some, but any target helps.

Mr. Stiller
11-27-2006, 09:45 AM
Offensive line is really problem, but the steelers already have alot of young talent on their bench. The bigger question than if we are going to a line men in the first round, is what are we going to do with Max Starks, personally he think he is awfull but he is awfully young. If we would give a 2-3 year incentive laden deal I think we should do it. As far as first round draft pick I think we need to take the best player on the board. As far as linemen I like and I think the Steelers would like the verstility of C/G Kyle Young or T/G Justin Blaylock.

Young had been skipping class and was either suspended or Dismissed. Justin Blalock is ok, but after watching the Nebraska game and a few others I was unimpressed. Joe Staley is the guy i want if we want Versatility.. or Arron Sears.. both second rounders, but both hold great ability for Gaurd or Tackle.

richdg
11-27-2006, 05:38 PM
I like Staley, but we don't know if he is the type that will fit. he is a smaller finess OLmen, ie Simmons and Hartings. Yes, he has room to grow. Could easily add another 15-20 pounds. He plays about 295 now. In today's NFL a 300lb lineman is small. Look at our guys now. Faneca is about 305 and Smith is about 310. That will work on the left side, but the right is all about power. Most of the top T's are 315+. Ogden, Pace, Jones, McKinnie, etc...

Smooth Criminal
11-27-2006, 08:33 PM
I just read the first 3 words and thought you meant Duce.

:lol:

But really you don't want a huge guy. Look what we have with Starks. Sure he is huge and strong but he is competely immobile.

DEs are becoming smaller and faster every year. Guys like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, Terrell Suggs, Derrikc Burgess and Dwight Freeney just run past all of these huge tackles. Plus with the 3-4 defense you get guys like Ware, Merriman and Porter as the edge rushers and they can usually run past tackles.

Huge tackles seem like a great thing but tackles in todays game need to be more mobile to keep up with the speed of the DEs. Some of the huge guys are great run blockers but horrible pass blockers because they can't keep up.

Smooth Criminal
11-27-2006, 08:45 PM
ESPN is reporting that Ward had knee surgery and is out for atleast 1 week.

NFL network is reporting that Cowher said Polamalu suffered a significant knee injury in the Baltimore game.

Looks like they'll both be gone against TB this week.

Smooth Criminal
11-27-2006, 08:58 PM
I just read on another site that Polamalu tore his ACL and MCL and is out for the rest of the year and questionable for next season.

skarocksoi
11-27-2006, 10:05 PM
they just showed that Polamalu had a strained MCL and was out for 2 weeks on ESPN during MNF. I hope thats true and not the tear.

skarocksoi
11-27-2006, 10:10 PM
News:
Polamalu reportedly suffered a sprained MCL that is expected to keep him out of the next two games, but no surgery will be required, the Post-Gazette reports.

Found that on ESPN

steelcrew43
11-27-2006, 10:50 PM
Needs:

1. OL - ben was touched every play against b-more
2. CB- townsend s*cks and taylor is inconsistent
3. OLB- joey porter s*cks and needs to shut his mouth and make plays and not celebrate a tackle when we're down 17-0

cowher has given up and should be gone next yeear has no emotion
play calling has killed us whats with all the screens
why do we run 1st and 2nd down to get to that dreded 3rd and long

CDub
11-27-2006, 11:56 PM
I just read the first 3 words and thought you meant Duce.

:lol:

But really you don't want a huge guy. Look what we have with Starks. Sure he is huge and strong but he is competely immobile.

DEs are becoming smaller and faster every year. Guys like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, Terrell Suggs, Derrikc Burgess and Dwight Freeney just run past all of these huge tackles. Plus with the 3-4 defense you get guys like Ware, Merriman and Porter as the edge rushers and they can usually run past tackles.

Huge tackles seem like a great thing but tackles in todays game need to be more mobile to keep up with the speed of the DEs. Some of the huge guys are great run blockers but horrible pass blockers because they can't keep up.

Once again I'm left wishing that I could go back and quote some of my old posts 'cause this one is almost pleagerism.

I'm not sure if smooth, mr. stiller, or richdg will remember my post about the trend I've been watching over the last 12 or so years in the NFL:

Guys like Pace, Ogden, Brown, and along those size lines, Starks, were neccessitated by guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith because they could handle their bull-rush and power-swim moves.

Now, guys like the ones smooth mentioned above are two steps past the line before these big tackles are even out of their stance. Being 6'6" myself, I believe most of the problem comes not only from being too heavy, but too tall. If I'm going against a guy who's my exact weight but stands only 5'11" he's going to get the jump on me every time. Thusly, a guy who's 6'7" 320 lbs just doesn't stand a chance with a guy who's 6' 260

It's tough to find the happy medium between a guy who's big enough to not get run over, and fast enough to not get run around. Glad I'm not a coach. :wink:

Mr. Stiller
11-28-2006, 11:04 AM
I just read the first 3 words and thought you meant Duce.

:lol:

But really you don't want a huge guy. Look what we have with Starks. Sure he is huge and strong but he is competely immobile.

DEs are becoming smaller and faster every year. Guys like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, Terrell Suggs, Derrikc Burgess and Dwight Freeney just run past all of these huge tackles. Plus with the 3-4 defense you get guys like Ware, Merriman and Porter as the edge rushers and they can usually run past tackles.

Huge tackles seem like a great thing but tackles in todays game need to be more mobile to keep up with the speed of the DEs. Some of the huge guys are great run blockers but horrible pass blockers because they can't keep up.

Once again I'm left wishing that I could go back and quote some of my old posts 'cause this one is almost pleagerism.

I'm not sure if smooth, mr. stiller, or richdg will remember my post about the trend I've been watching over the last 12 or so years in the NFL:

Guys like Pace, Ogden, Brown, and along those size lines, Starks, were neccessitated by guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith because they could handle their bull-rush and power-swim moves.

Now, guys like the ones smooth mentioned above are two steps past the line before these big tackles are even out of their stance. Being 6'6" myself, I believe most of the problem comes not only from being too heavy, but too tall. If I'm going against a guy who's my exact weight but stands only 5'11" he's going to get the jump on me every time. Thusly, a guy who's 6'7" 320 lbs just doesn't stand a chance with a guy who's 6' 260

It's tough to find the happy medium between a guy who's big enough to not get run over, and fast enough to not get run around. Glad I'm not a coach. :wink:

I remember reading it. And as we need power on the right side, we still need an athletic rt we're blocking for a RB that runs a 4.3. We need to let ben actually stand out of his drop before getting hit. After yesterday i'm surprised he's not injured and can still walk.

11-28-2006, 11:32 AM
Needs:

1. OL - ben was touched every play against b-more
2. CB- townsend s*cks and taylor is inconsistent
3. OLB- joey porter s*cks and needs to shut his mouth and make plays and not celebrate a tackle when we're down 17-0

cowher has given up and should be gone next yeear has no emotion
play calling has killed us whats with all the screens
why do we run 1st and 2nd down to get to that dreded 3rd and long Do you realize Porter gets double teamed. He is the heart and soul of the defense. His celebration is more of a way to try and pump the team up. At least he wants to be out there playing. The only other guy out there that seems to give 100% is Troy. Better watch the Steelers a little more closely, without Porter we have no emotion.

DeathbyStat
11-28-2006, 11:40 AM
These are some free agents I think we should go after. Knowing the steelers we won’t sign any of them, but what the hell its fun to speculate.

Free Agents
RB
Good power packs
Anthony Thomas
Musa Smith
Just a possible super star.
Michael Turner

WR
We need a tall physical presence in the red zone.
Ernest Wilford
Good Return Man
Wes Welker
Same as Wilford
Drew Bennet

TE
We need another quality tight end to ignore.
Daniel Graham
Ben Utecht
Ben Hartsock

Seattle has to resign their maybe we can snag some of their guys.
OT
Jordan Black
Sean Locklear

OG
Eric Steinbach
Floyd Womack

C
Robbie Tobeck
Rich Braham

CB
Asante Samuel
Ricky Manning

LB
Tully Banta Cain
Lance Briggs
Chase Blackburn
Jason Short
Adalius Thomas

Mr. Stiller
11-28-2006, 03:37 PM
These are some free agents I think we should go after. Knowing the steelers we won’t sign any of them, but what the hell its fun to speculate.

Free Agents
RB
Good power packs
Anthony Thomas
Musa Smith
Just a possible super star.
Michael Turner

WR
We need a tall physical presence in the red zone.
Ernest Wilford
Good Return Man
Wes Welker
Same as Wilford
Drew Bennet

TE
We need another quality tight end to ignore.
Daniel Graham
Ben Utecht
Ben Hartsock

Seattle has to resign their maybe we can snag some of their guys.
OT
Jordan Black
Sean Locklear

OG
Eric Steinbach
Floyd Womack

C
Robbie Tobeck
Rich Braham

CB
Asante Samuel
Ricky Manning

LB
Tully Banta Cain
Lance Briggs
Chase Blackburn
Jason Short
Adalius Thomas

I'd add Kawika Mitchell, Brandon Short, and possibly, Ladell Betts.

Smooth Criminal
11-28-2006, 05:07 PM
Scott's new mock is up. He has us taking Blaylock at 13. Not a bad pick but I think it is a bit of a reach this high in the draft. Interior lineman tend to fall and we should be able to land a guard in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I think we need to pick up one of the elite tackles while they are still on the board in the first round. With Jake Long gone Sam Baker becomes the next best pick.

skarocksoi
11-28-2006, 05:24 PM
I'd like to see us pick up Adalius Thomasin free agency, but I doubt we would be able to afford him because a lot of teams will be willing to shell out the big bucks to pick him up. I wasn't able to watch the game on Sunday, but I watched some of the clips from the game and I listened to it on the radio and the announcers were talking about him and how they played him in a similar sort of way like we use Polamalu by having line up in different places. They were also talking about how Missouri used to have him kind of roam the field before the snap to confuse defenses. Could you imagine both him and Polamalu flying all over the field confusing the heck out of QB's? You would never know where the blitz was coming from.

Also, I was looking at Scott's new mock and I think if we're looking for a tackle in the first and Long is taken, we could trade down to later in the first and pick up Levi Brown as well as some later picks. He's a big guy at 6-5, 325 but is very athletic for his size and can easily get upfield for screens and other things of that sort. Much more mobile and agile than Starks is.

Smooth Criminal
11-28-2006, 06:01 PM
We won't go after Adalius. Sure he is a great player but he will definately be overpaid because he is having one of the best years of his career this year. The Steelers just don't go after guys like that.

Plus unless something happens with Porter, Farrior or Haggans we will already have 3 linebackers getting paid pretty high salaries.

skarocksoi
11-28-2006, 06:36 PM
I agree that we probably wont go after him because of how much he would cost, but you have to admit that would be one scary combination. If Porter tries to hold out for a bigger contract this offseason I dont think the front office would even hesitate to try and unload him simply for his lack of production on the field this past year, as well as his salary. That would free up some cash, but I still doubt we would win in a bidding war.

Smooth Criminal
11-28-2006, 06:47 PM
He is a great player and would be an awesome 3-4 OLB but there is no way we even try to sign him. He will want way to much money, probably as much as Porter will be asking for.

skarocksoi
11-28-2006, 09:10 PM
Yeah, I would imagine he would command the big bucks in the offseason, and we normally aren't willing to pay that kind of money for free agents.

On another note, what do you guys think will happen with Max "The Turnstyle" Starks this offseason? I think we can all agree he hasn't been playing well this season but he's an RFA so we can sign him to a 1 year contract. Do you think we will not sign him at all, or offer him the contract? Also, if another team makes him an offer, will we match it or get the compensentory(is that a word?) pick? Your thoughts.

richdg
11-28-2006, 09:35 PM
Starks has the size, not the skill. I can give you 30 OT's that are 6-6+ and well over 300 lbs. It is the prototype. True, LT's tend to be smaller than RT's. Most teams run to the right. You do realize that Peppers and M. Williams are large DE's right? Both are 6-6 + and 290+. Part of our problem is the scheme. I have neer been, nor will I be a fan of only 1 back in the backfield on passing plays. If a team sends 7, there simply are not enough to block. that is what happened to us on Sunday.

mikehop05
11-28-2006, 09:40 PM
It would be nice to resign starks for another year, he is only 25 and its not to the point where we label him as a failure and start to look else where. Given another year, and the right incentive with a top rookie behind him, he may very well start to play better.

As far as the mock draft goes, Blalock can play both Guard and Tackle, but I do agree that if we are there at 13 we should trade down, however, I don't think we will be that low at the end of the season. In either case, Blalock does add a lot of depth to practically all line positions.

mikehop05
11-28-2006, 09:42 PM
Starks has the size, not the skill. I can give you 30 OT's that are 6-6+ and well over 300 lbs. It is the prototype. True, LT's tend to be smaller than RT's. Most teams run to the right. You do realize that Peppers and M. Williams are large DE's right? Both are 6-6 + and 290+. Part of our problem is the scheme. I have neer been, nor will I be a fan of only 1 back in the backfield on passing plays. If a team sends 7, there simply are not enough to block. that is what happened to us on Sunday.

I agree to some extent, however, if they rush 7 that leaves 4 in coverage, Ben finds the hot reciever and he is wide open.

What happened Sunday is Baltimore was beating us in 1 on 1 situations. Even when they rushed four they got pressure and sacks on us.

Mr. Stiller
11-28-2006, 10:26 PM
I think Regardless we should Trade down for Both of the Patriots firsts.


Grab an OT or Dwayne Jarrett, and David Harris.

THav916
11-28-2006, 10:39 PM
Starks has the size, not the skill. I can give you 30 OT's that are 6-6+ and well over 300 lbs. It is the prototype. True, LT's tend to be smaller than RT's. Most teams run to the right. You do realize that Peppers and M. Williams are large DE's right? Both are 6-6 + and 290+. Part of our problem is the scheme. I have neer been, nor will I be a fan of only 1 back in the backfield on passing plays. If a team sends 7, there simply are not enough to block. that is what happened to us on Sunday.

I've said this too and think it's such an underrated fact. It's like people are afraid to say it's anyone elses fault other than the O-Line. And then we get bashed for thinking the o-line "played well", which I'm gonna say i don't think any of us think. Sure, the o-line was horrible and often was beaten. But, how bout the coaching and Roethlisberger's decision. The Ravens were bringing way more than 5 people. The 5 o-lineman can't block everyone. If someone comes in uncontested, maybe it's a missed assignment, but maybe it's just a good blitz. We should have been keeping 2 backs in, or an extra TE or two. If you wanna blame Max Starks or Marvel Smith, they weren't going to get any better during the game, so put a TE beside one of them or both. Send only 2 receivers out and give Ben time. OR, how bout some short receiver patterns. If a team is going to blitz 7, we really should be able to have our way with 3 step drops and quick passes. Way too many 7 step drops, slow decisions by Roethlisberger, and involved passing routes. This is by no means a way of saying the offensive line played well, or is a strength. But cmon, there were several factors and several horrible aspects to that offense on Saturday.

Mr. Stiller
11-28-2006, 10:49 PM
Starks has the size, not the skill. I can give you 30 OT's that are 6-6+ and well over 300 lbs. It is the prototype. True, LT's tend to be smaller than RT's. Most teams run to the right. You do realize that Peppers and M. Williams are large DE's right? Both are 6-6 + and 290+. Part of our problem is the scheme. I have neer been, nor will I be a fan of only 1 back in the backfield on passing plays. If a team sends 7, there simply are not enough to block. that is what happened to us on Sunday.

I've said this too and think it's such an underrated fact. It's like people are afraid to say it's anyone elses fault other than the O-Line. And then we get bashed for thinking the o-line "played well", which I'm gonna say i don't think any of us think. Sure, the o-line was horrible and often was beaten. But, how bout the coaching and Roethlisberger's decision. The Ravens were bringing way more than 5 people. The 5 o-lineman can't block everyone. If someone comes in uncontested, maybe it's a missed assignment, but maybe it's just a good blitz. We should have been keeping 2 backs in, or an extra TE or two. If you wanna blame Max Starks or Marvel Smith, they weren't going to get any better during the game, so put a TE beside one of them or both. Send only 2 receivers out and give Ben time. OR, how bout some short receiver patterns. If a team is going to blitz 7, we really should be able to have our way with 3 step drops and quick passes. Way too many 7 step drops, slow decisions by Roethlisberger, and involved passing routes. This is by no means a way of saying the offensive line played well, or is a strength. But cmon, there were several factors and several horrible aspects to that offense on Saturday.

Granted Thav, but it's been a constant all season. Ben has played his best games being able to hike the ball and get out of the pocket. They had 6 sacks on 4 man rushes. 4 Dlineman vs 5 Olineman... how did we lose 6 times? He didn't even have time to make decisions and when he did the WR's weren't getting open.

A lot of this I blame on the coaching. We got way out coached. However, for an Offensive line bolstering 3 former pro bowlers.. (I'll give Hartings a pass) why was Keomeatu not given a chance after Simmons was blowing his chances?

I'm really starting to think Russ Grimm isn't as good as he's hyped to be, he seemed clueless.

It didn't help Hines was sporting a bad knee. But It's not like we have Great WR's to begin with, We should've made a move for Porter or Moss.

And We should Trade Porter, or cut him, maybe tender starks for 1 more season, and Sign Adalius. He lined up on the Slot reciever alot, and played Rover, he'd be a monster with Troy.

Bababooey
11-29-2006, 05:44 AM
Hello all, i'm new to the site..

Joey Porter should only play 5 more games in a Steelers jersey. As a pass rusher and leader, he has failed miserably. He's a bad LB, and is going on hype alone, hello Ray Lewis?

He'll be let go.

Adalius Thomas? Nah. He'll be 30 (granted he's only had 4 NFL seasons) but we shouldn't target an older LB.

What this team needs badly is a Sean Merriman/Demarcus Ware type LB. We need a badass from our LB core. I don't really see a deep impact OLB in this draft (Gaines Adams?). Um, Anthony Spencer, Woodley?

We'll be drafting 8th-15th, either man up and take a stud like Adams, perhaps take Jake Long or trade down and take an Anthony Spencer.

This team only needs a few tweaks, are young talent just needs time to improve (WR/DB). Our special teams is awful, including are awful punter.

Here are my cuts..

Staley, Porter, Morey (heh), Simmons (he's a slob), Tuman, Gardocki.

Some names who I hope we can 'talk about' us drafting in the next few months..

QB
Tyler Palko (Pitt) (PSU fan here, but I like the guy)
John Beck (BYU)
Justin Rascatti (James Madison)

RB
Brian Leonard (Rutgers)
Tony Hunt (PSU)

WR
None

TE
Tyler Ecker (Michigan)
Jonny Harline (BYU)

OL
Jake Long (Michigan)
Sam Baker (USC)
Doug Free (Northern Illinois)
Dan Inman (Georgia)
Doug Datish (OSU)
Kasey Studdard (Texas)
Kyle Young (Fresno)
Ryan Kalil (USC)
Dan Mozes (WVU)

DE/OLB
Brian Smith (Missouri)
Lamarr Woodley (Michigan)
Gaines Adams (Clemson)
Anthony Spencer (Purdue)

ILB
David Harris (Michigan)
Pat Willis (Ole Miss)
HB Blades (Pitt)
Thadeaus Washington (Colorado)

CB
William Gay (Louisville)
Tarell Brown (Texas)
Aaron Ross (Texas)

S
Brandon Meriweather (Miami)
Sabby Piscitelli (Oregon State)
Roderick Rogers (Wisconsin)

K/P
Mason Crosby (Colorado)
Dan Sepulveda (Baylor)
Brandon Fields (Michigan State)

Mr. Stiller
11-29-2006, 09:17 AM
Welcome Bababooey,

Adalius Thomas is 29, but he's in the prime, he can certainly sign a 3 year contract and train a young gun.

I would love a badass in the OLB, but there's not a freakish talent for OLB this year. Brian Smith, Maybe Jarvis Moss, perhaps Mkristo Bruce.

I like Anthony Spencer but he's going to be late first round early 2nd and thats when we have to land David Harris.

Brian Smith had a season ending injury that kept him out of the first/second round and could probably be had for a 4th.

Right now the safe pick is probably Jake Long, unless Calvin Johnson amazingly falls to us.

We need to add a reciever some where. Whether it be Ryne Robinson or someone like that with our 2nd 4th.

Simmons, Tuman won't be cut. They have too much invested in Simmons to cut him and unless they sign a replacement for Tuman, there's no way we cut him. Morey shouldn't be cut, this guy has made plays on special teams all season and probably has been the most consistent player on the team.

However, we may cut Ced Wilson or trade him for cheap. I hoped he would turn into a solid 2 but he's pretty bad.

Porter won't ever be cut, but I'm hoping he could be traded.. he could get us an additional 2nd rounder as well.

Starks IMO needs to be tendered. We'll take Jake Long 1st round to replace him and he could eventually move to LT, but if Marvel picks himself up, Jake succeeds at RT, i see no reason to move him.

QB:
Palko would be a good candidate
Beck is by far my favorite
Stanback has been scouted heavily by Pitt. Whether to play WR or what, but he has

RB:
* unless we get extra picks we probably should focus on places we need a future #1 or need a #1 right away. So RB/FB is probably at best Day 2
*If Leonard fell to round 3 you'd have to take him, but he's going to put up amazing measureables and i doubt he'll be touchable.
*Tony Hunt would be the perfect compliment to Willie. I'd like to see us Cut Haynes, Draft Hunt (If we could manage an extra 2nd).
*Other Guys:
Ronnie McGill, UNC
Alley Broussard, LSU (My favorite) if he recovers from his knee surgery better, could be Jamal Lewis 2.0... without the drugs and hella better attitude.
Jehuu Caulcrick, MSU

WR: I know you don't have anyone, but we desperately need a guy to be a #3 for now. My guys are:

Dwayne Bowe, LSU
Steve Smith, USC (Has been heavily, heavily scouted)
Dwayne Jarrett, USC(again scouted)

TE:
I'm not a fan of Ecker and Harline is ok.
I'd rather see Matt Spaeth, Joe Newton, or Clark Harris(also scouted)

OL: I'd make some changes.

Jake Long definitely
Sam Baker #2 choice
Doug Free, he's been inconsistent this year. He was paving the way for Wolfe, but he slowly just started being non effective.
I'm not a fan of Datish.
Kyle Young is more of a pass blocker, than a run blocker, and we could very well migrate that way, but I love Mozes and Kalil's upside and their Athleticism. Kalil has more pass blocking experience, but I think Mozes has the speed/rush blocking experience.

DE:
A couple guys and myself have been tossing around the idea of drafting Alan Branch to take over RDE and move Keisel to LOLB. Keisel was faster than Larry Foote and right now he's pretty much our best Pass Rusher. There's your not so famous Merriman.

However for Dlineman:
Xzavie Jackson, Missouri
Van Houston, Memphis
Ikaika Alama-Francis, Hawaii (Plays DE in 3-4)
Alan Branch, Michigan

NT:

Conrad Bolston, Maryland
Quinton Echols, KSU


OLB:

Brian Smith
Jarvis Moss
Anthony Spencer (IF he falls due to a 40 time or something)
Stephen Nicholas, USF
William Beckford, Rutgers
Dallas Sartz, USC
Marcus Bacon, Missouri.

ILB:
David Harris is a Manimal. Which is why after this post i'll update my offseason and do a new version of my mock.
HB Blades is horribly overrated, he has solid instincts, but outside of that, I think he's overrated. He may drop FAR come draft day.
Pat Willis is a good LB I just think he'd be much better in a 4-3.
Thaddeus Washington, i like him, I just think he's too small and may make a solid cover 2 lb.

Dedrick Harrington, Brian Smiths Teammate is a guy we should look long and hard at.

Another guy you might not notice is Rutgers DT Eric Foster. He's a wrecking crew on the interior Dline, but only weighs 265 lbs and is incredibly fast and agile for the position. Could be the next Teddy Bruschi like Convert.


CB:

I strongly dislike both texas corners, they are horribly overrated.
William Cool is a new name for Steelers fans which I like.

I think CB is a need. We need either to solidify 1 thing this offseason. Either the Pass rush(which i'd rather) or a solid #1 that is a shutdown Corner. If we did the corner, there's only 1 guy, Darrelle Revis.

We have Anthony Smith at FS but his Cuse counterpart at CB, Tanard Jackson would be a solid Nickel, which isn't bad for a 3rd rounder, and he's great on Punt coverage units.

S:
Brandon Meriweather is a bad pick, no offense. He's a thug, and he's not a steeler player.
Sabby Piscatelli, if possible would be my safety pick. he's got size, and he's great in run support. He could be the guy that comes in and gives Anthony Smith a break. A Smith -> Piscatelli, Polamalu -> Clark.
Roderick Rogers hasn't lived up to expectations.

I don't think we need a kicker, but we should take a long look at Dan Sepulveda.

skarocksoi
11-29-2006, 10:34 AM
If we are going to take a running back in this draft, I think we should take Tony Hunt. I have a Penn State bias here, but he is the best all around back in the draft. He doesnt have the speed that the others have, but he's got great hands out of the backfield, and more importantly, the best blocker.

Galen Hall, the Penn State O coordinator, said he was one of the best runningbacks he's coached, and Galen coached Emmitt Smith (obviously Emmitt was the best). But Tony Hunt is a serious man-beast and it takes literally 3 guys to bring him down. I think Hunt could easily replace Verron as the third down back, and would eventually move his way up to the #2 man behind Willie. But enough of my talking.

mikehop05
11-29-2006, 10:51 AM
Stiller, another great and indepth post, they are a pleasure to read.

As a UMD student I would love for us to get Bolston. He is very underrated in my opinion, and I was very pleased to hear Scott shed some light on him, and I would love for him to play in black and gold. The guy has great measurables, but is over looked statwise because of the scheme MD runs defensively (see Merriman).

I would also love to grab Tony Hunt in the 3rd round, or Leonard, although I could see both of these guys going in the late second.


I don't see secondary as much as a need as I do pass-rushers. What do you think about Woodley? His motor is amazing and I could see him making huge plays for us. If we can get two first rounders I would love to grab him and a Offensive linemen such as Levi Brown.

bigbluedefense
11-29-2006, 11:30 AM
What do you guys think of my offseason blueprint for the Steelers?

FA - sign Adalius Thomas if you can, sign Maniwani (however you spell it) OG from Jacksonville

Draft.

1. Marcus McCauley/Reggie Nelson
2. Brian Leonard
3. Anthony Spencer
4. Germaine Race


I think you get great sleeper value at RB in Race later on, Leonard is the perfect Hback in a 2 TE offense, Spencer is a sleeper DE/OLB tweener that would arguably fit your scheme just as good as any of these 1st round "talents", and Reggie Nelson/McCauley brings some stability to your secondary who is missing Hope.

Nelson is probably better than McCauley bc he can play both FS and CB, which brings extra versatility. McCauley is a Cromartie like prospect, so hes a boom or bust.

What do you guys think? I didn't include a WR because I think you gotta give your 1st rounder some more time to prove himself.

I know I didn't address Tackle, but I think these adjustments on defense and in the run game will improve your pass game indirectly, just like it did the past 2 years.

mikehop05
11-29-2006, 01:00 PM
I like the Leonard / Spencer picks, and although I am a fan of Reggie Nelson I would rather see us go Offensive Line or dominant linebacker/pass rusher in round one.

I think we should give Anthony Smith, our 3rd round pick out of Syracuse last year a little time to develop, I know the Pitt. scouts were impressed with his ability.

I am not too keen on the guard from Jacksonville, or on paying Thomas the fat contract he will undoubtedly want.

But, I think you are right in what we need to improve.

skarocksoi
11-29-2006, 03:05 PM
I dont think we should go after a guard unless its drafting a guy like Blalock who can go between guard and tackle. Simmons is still under contract and Kemo is right behind him and should be given a shot before picking up someone else to fix the position. If we go O-line it either needs to be a tackle to battle Starks for a spot if he's still there, or a center if Hartings retires and Okobi just cant cut it.

I really like the idea of us trading down in the first round to get some extra picks. Trading with the Pats to get both of their 1st rounders would be spectacular, especially if they are a low pick and are targeting a guy like Paul Posluszny who could go higher than they are at. An ideal situation might be getting 2 first rounders and grabbing an OT and maybe a WR or linebacker like Harris late in the 1st would be very nice.

Smooth Criminal
11-29-2006, 05:31 PM
What do you guys think of my offseason blueprint for the Steelers?

FA - sign Adalius Thomas if you can, sign Maniwani (however you spell it) OG from Jacksonville

Draft.

1. Marcus McCauley/Reggie Nelson
2. Brian Leonard
3. Anthony Spencer
4. Germaine Race


I think you get great sleeper value at RB in Race later on, Leonard is the perfect Hback in a 2 TE offense, Spencer is a sleeper DE/OLB tweener that would arguably fit your scheme just as good as any of these 1st round "talents", and Reggie Nelson/McCauley brings some stability to your secondary who is missing Hope.

Nelson is probably better than McCauley bc he can play both FS and CB, which brings extra versatility. McCauley is a Cromartie like prospect, so hes a boom or bust.

What do you guys think? I didn't include a WR because I think you gotta give your 1st rounder some more time to prove himself.

I know I didn't address Tackle, but I think these adjustments on defense and in the run game will improve your pass game indirectly, just like it did the past 2 years.

It looks good on paper but the Steelers will never do it. At will never come anywhere near Pittsburgh. We have a ton of money tied up in Porter, Haggans and Farrior and even if something is doen there they won't want to put a ton of money into AT.

I don't like the first rounder either. I havn't given up on Ike and McFadden has looked like he can start this year. Clark hasn't looked bad either and Anthony Smith has looked pretty good on special teams and in the preseason. If we do go corner, I'd rather have Revis.

I really want a guy like Jake Long in the first round. OL has been a position we go after in the first round alot and it is clearly a need. With Starks being a RFA I can see him being let go and taking a guy early in the first. Guard isn't as much of a need because even though Simmons and Kemoeatu havn't gotten the job done they are both still under contract next year and I can't see us going after a guard in FA or in the early rounds of the draft when we are paying Faneca and Simmons what they are getting.

Mr. Stiller
11-29-2006, 06:11 PM
If we are going to take a running back in this draft, I think we should take Tony Hunt. I have a Penn State bias here, but he is the best all around back in the draft. He doesnt have the speed that the others have, but he's got great hands out of the backfield, and more importantly, the best blocker.

Galen Hall, the Penn State O coordinator, said he was one of the best runningbacks he's coached, and Galen coached Emmitt Smith (obviously Emmitt was the best). But Tony Hunt is a serious man-beast and it takes literally 3 guys to bring him down. I think Hunt could easily replace Verron as the third down back, and would eventually move his way up to the #2 man behind Willie. But enough of my talking.

I agree with Tony Hunt. I would like the Trio of Najeh, Hunt, and Parker, Perhaps with Leonard around to play some H-Back and to jump in if Najeh gets hurt.


And Like I said I have a big post coming.

I have one with What if I could pull off as a GM, and what is more realistic.

Probably involving... Starks, Porter, and Simmons Gone.

Mr. Stiller
11-29-2006, 06:28 PM
Cowher may be sticking around..

http://www.theredzone.org/news/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=4654

Mr. Stiller
11-30-2006, 12:13 AM
Here is the big post (Next)

Mr. Stiller
11-30-2006, 12:44 AM
What I would do If I were the GM.

Free Agency:

Guys I would Look at:

QB:
Anthony Wright (May not be great, but has starting experience and can be a great addition if things go sour again)
Jeff Garcia (Read above, however i failed to mention both are mobile which, is a plus in our system.)

RB:
LaDell Betts - Solid runner with good hands, if we don't keep Najeh this might be our short yardage guy.
Chris Brown - Is a great short yardage back, when healthy. Would have to crunch #'s and I think he'll want too much.
Najeh Davenport - Isn't exactly a Short yardage back, but is a good 3rd Down back. He picks up the blitz well and he's a lot greater at screens than Verron Haynes.
Ahman Green - Hasn't been healthy and frankly will want to be a feature back..
Musa Smith - He's an underrated runner. I think he should be the Starter in Baltimore as twinkle Toes has lost his touch and is afraid of contact. He's another Georgia Product.
Anthony Thomas - A-train has been a #2 for 2 seasons now I believe and he's excelled. He's a more than serviceable short yardage back. He's my #1(If we don't go for it in the draft). He's only 6 years out of Michigan and we could use a vet at RB that can stay healthy.

WR:
Drew Bennett - Probably the prized UFA WR this offseason, Unless Porter/Moss are released. He's a #1, but he's probably going to be looking for a ring. I Don't think he's in our salary range as someone like NE, Chicago, SF, or Atlanta could make an attempt.
Troy Brown - I would look at him long enough to realize we already have enough 6' wrs. He's good, but I think we need a different type.
Jerry Porter - He never had a problem until Art Shell came in. He would be another guy to possibly take a gander on, because when he's on, he's a top 10 WR. Ward, Porter and Holmes would relieve Ben from the Pass Rush a bit.
Mike Williams - If the lions look to move him, this is a guy that could be a cheap signing and since we didn't go after Charles Rogers, I would love to take an chance on this guy. He could possibly sign for the league minimum, and he was a better prospect than Dwayne Jarrett Coming out. I would love Calvin Johnson, Jarrett is more realistic, and to get a guy that was more highly touted.. You gotta give him a shot. He would give us a big possession guy. He's shown he wants to play with the limited chances he's got he's used them. However Kitna isn't as good as Ben.

TE:
Kyle Brady - I would look here because he's by far the best blocking TE i've seen in a long time. However, with 12 years in I can't see him not declining in play.
Mark Breuner - The Second best blocking TE, if he were cheap enough I'd love to bring him back, but I don't think he's on the right side of 30 either.
Daniel Graham - AHA! This guy would be perfect. He's only 6'3 so not a big target, but he's a great blocker that can recieve. As Miller is a Great Reciever that can block. He'll have leverage to his advantage and can give Danimal Kreider a break by going with a 2 TE set. (Possibly Cutting Tuman).

OT:
Jordan Black - He's come on strong blocking for Larry Johnson, Look at the Yards hes got. Give him a shot next to Chris Keomeatu, and that should give us a solid duo to start on the right side of the line. However I think Money could be an issue in this signing.
Leonard Davis - He's not a good LT but he'd be a great RT. However he's going to want LT money and frankly we don't have it to give. No reason to overpay on an RT when a Draft pick could probably do it right away.

OG:
Vince Manuwai - A samoan, so thats 1 thing. He's an underrated Guard. If we don't feel Keomeatu is ready he could take RG, if not he'll give us incredible depth.
Eric Steinbach - He's underrated as well, but he's been having issues with assignments in Cincy. I think he could come in for depth at RG/C but he's going to want to start.


OC:
Robbie Tobeck - He's been one of the quietly underrated centers in a while. Helping bolster down one of the best lines in history up in seattle. He could be the next Pro-bowl center from Pittsburgh.. if he wasn't as old as Hartings..
Andre Gurode - This one is giving me fits. I like the guy, he's certainly athletic and he has a 1-2 punch in Dallas of Lightning and Thunder so He knows how to pull and run block for the best of them. He is also solid in pass coverage. he's only 28 years old and could potentialy give us 5-7 pro bowl years if signed.

DE:
Rodney Bailey - He's been great as a pass rusher and giving Aaron Smith a breather, but he's not spectacular. I wish we could upgrade him and we probably could. I think he should be signed back unless Shaun Nua or Orien Harris prove their Ready.
Cory Redding - He's amazing. He's 6'4 and 290 lbs. He could Give us an elite pass rusher/run stopper on the right side. If we did this I'd be extremely excited.. I have some, could you say, intriguing defensive switches.
Terdell Sands - he's huge. People calling for Alan Branch may get it in this kid. He's 6'7 335 lbs. He knows how to stop the run. I'm sure with his size and strength could really aide Joey Porter against double teams.

NT:
None I think we're set. Or a UDFA

LB:
Lance Briggs - A pro bowler in the Bear 46. I don't know if he could make the switch to pass rusher. I know he's more than capable of playing in coverage though. Something Haggans lacks.
Kawika Mitchell - He's a solid ILB and could give us someone ready to replace Farrior Asap instead of trying to find a rookie in the draft.
Antwan Peek - He's 6'3 250 lbs, solid speed/size combo, could be someone to sign cheap and see if he can do it in the preseason, if he can't, he might be able to give us depth on nickel downs where we use a traditional 4 front.
Adalius Thomas - The sad thing is he could be better than Joey Porter. Albeit we still have James Harrison. I think this would be an excellent pickup, Especially if he's asking around the same money that Porter is.

CB:
We're playing bad but we do have talent at the position

S:

We have 2 guys that could be starting at FS. I would like to see Anthony Smith with Either Tyrone Carter or Robert Griffith behind him and Troy P. with Ryan Clark behind him.

Ken Hamlin - Isn't going to be cheap, but we need depth, not starters.


Guys I would move:

Kendall Simmons - Chris Keomeatu has shown every chance he got that, even though he's not the most athletic, he's not going to be moved. I think he's shown he could be more than just a backup and probably more than just a solid starter. I think he's worth a 2nd rounder to a team Like Zona.

Max Starks - I think a team picking in the late of first round needing some Olineman, especially with Starks' size could possibly pick him up. I would tender him for one year and if someone wants to give a first move him, if not, hope he has a better season and trade him before the trade deadline. For this I'm goign to get a 1st because It's my dream.

Joey Porter - I catch flak because of this but he's been more mouth and less action since last year started. I think Bringing in Adalius Thomas would give us more flexibility. He can play Rover, cover the slot WR, cover the TE and is better than Porter at Rushing the QB/Defending the Run. With Porter Gone.. The same money could be spent on Adalius who has actually earned the contract. For this Mock We get a 2nd for him. He probably could net a first for a team looking to win soon. But we should be a bit realistic.

Right now we have - 2 -1sts, 3 - 2nds, 1 -3rd, 2-4ths, 2 - 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th.


Guys I'm Sure about signing:

Daniel Graham - We need a solid #2 blocking TE.
Rodney Bailey - Need him back
Tyrone Carter - I'm not a huge fan, but he's been solid and knows the scheme.
Najeh Davenport - Great 3rd down rb and Screen RB. Not to mention kick returns.

Guys I'm looking at depending on scheme:
Terdell Sands/Cory Redding - I think Terdell could hold point of attack and stop the run, meanwhile Redding would be a good rusher.
Kawika Mitchell - depends on money or if we want a proven guy already.
Andre Gurode - Athletic enough, I think he could be the next solid pro bowl acquisition.
Mike Williams - Big Target, hard to look at his pre-Detroit production (USC), Look at Joey Harrington, who knows a change of scenery/coaching may make a huge difference.

Stipulation I figure we'll be picking at #9 and #12 (speculation on the 2nd Pick).

We trade our #9 to the Pats for both of their 1sts (20 and 25 for lack of exactness).

Draft:

1a) Jake Long, OT, Michigan
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We need a right tackle bad. Well Joe Thomas is gone, Baker could probably do it, but I think Jake Long is by far the best pick. He'll come in and instantly take the RT position by storm. He's held some of the best pass rushers in the Big 10 to zilch. Vernon Gholston who will be big talk for 3-4 OLB in a year or so, didn't see the backfield. Along with Tim Crowder(Crowders sack was against Reuben Riley), I'm not a 100% sure, but I don't think he gave up a sack all year. He's also a huge reason for the success in the Michigan run game. He and Keomeatu will be a huge duo of Road graders for Willie Parker and Najeh Davenport on Screens.

1b) Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
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Why not? If we have 3 1st rounders we can certainly get him. I think he's top 10 good and it's not a Pitt bias. He's just that good. He doesn't have elite timed speed (likely the 4.4-4.5 range) but he has undeniable game speed. I like to think he's basically a talented DeShea clone. He can return kicks, He can blitz, he aids in the run defense, he blows up screens, he's very aggressive, he's got amazing hands and he's a shut down corner.

1c) David Harris, ILB, Michigan
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I think before all is said and done he will sneak into round 1. He's got pro size already at 6'2 250+ lbs. Simply put the guy is always in the gap of the ballcarrier. On passing plays he has reaction speed that i have seen out of very few other MLBs. He's good at shedding blocks and making the tackle. He does have the athleticism to get beat but still make a play.

2a) Josh Beekman, OG, Boston College
http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0706/ncf_bc_beekman_275.jpg
He may only be 6'2, but he's 325 lbs of pure mean. Everyone was talking about Colons mean demeanor and disposition this pre-season, I think this kids is worse. He comes in and gives us a young group behind Keomeatu and Faneca. Learning from Faneca or if Keomeatu can't pull it off we have arguably the best Guard in the draft.

2b)Dwayne Bowe, WR, Louisiana State
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We need help at Wideout. Ben needs another reliable target. Hines is getting older and I don't know how much more his body can take of going across the middle and taking the big hit. Well Dwayne Bowe's stock has been skyrocketing. For good reason as well. He's got solid size at 6'3 220lbs. and will run probably in the 4.4 range. He's bailed out Big JaMarcus Russell in several games this season and it'd be nice to have that dependability. As much as I like Holmes I think he'll be a career #2(not that thats bad, he's just not a #1.) I think Bowe can play #3 for 2-3 Seasons and Take over #1 for Ward.

2c) Brian Leonard, H-Back, Rutgers
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Sorry about the big picture, but it was needed to do him Justice. Brian Leonard is a Mike Alstott like player, and like Reggie Bush needs to be utilized accordingly. He is a great reciever and is fast enough to block for a speedier back. Danimal is by far one of the best and most underrated FB's in the league, however he's not a finesse speed blocker. Leonard comes in and plays some Fullback, Lines up in the slot (He has THAT speed), maybe at TE, and RB. He can block for Willie and break a block to help him downfield. Something we desperately need. But Dan can Block for Najeh and a guy to be added later.

3) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
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Tony Hunt is as close to an untackleable runningback as you'll find in the game today(not just the draft). He's a guy that just bounces and goes. He could fall round three only because I see him dropping a 4.6 to 4.7. Pittsburgh isn't afraid because for what we need him for, we know his production and he's capable. He would come in for short yardage or when Najeh gets hurt (Unfortunately it's never a question of IF but WHEN) and he has the hands to catch out of the backfield. Since we are in this position we might as well add as many weapons as possible.

4a)Dan Mozes, C, West Virginia
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Dan is 6'4 295lbs and quite possibly the fastest/most athletic center out there. We're a team that needs to utilize our running game. We're building it up with the additions of Jake Long, Tony Hunt, Brian Leonard and starting Chris Keomeatu. However Okobi has looked good, but I'm not sold. Phillip looked good in preseason, but i'm not sure he can handle guys like Jamal Williams either (although, few can). I would add Mozes because we did amazing things with Hartings. Mozes in my view could be faster, stronger, less knee problems and a better center, meaning we'll continue the tradition of athletic centers. I've talked to Dan and he's expressed real excitement about blocking for Willie Parker. Who better to block for Willie than someone who's face good competition (Okobi, Bolston, and this saturday another guy we'll be drafting)

4b) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
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Brian Smith was probably the #1 consensus DE to OLB convert in this draft... Until he broke his hip. Again, I'll take it. He was 3 sacks away from the career sacks record in the Big 12. He has size at 6'4 240 lbs. He can rush the power, has an array of moves and he has dropped into coverage. I Think he could learn behind Adalius for a season or two while Harrison squared play out behind Haggans.

5a) Jake Kuresa, OT, BYU
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Kuresa is a big man among big men. He may only be 6'4 but he's 340/350 lbs. Funny part is he isn't "overweight" He has the frame to add the weight. His weight has never, and probably won't ever, be a problem. I was seriously debating Gosder Cherilous or James Marten here, but Jake Kuresa could Fall and just like Chris Keomeatu this kid will be a later round pick, but he could be a solid starter and definitely give us great depth. I'm not sold on Essex long term. I've been to camp every year for the past 6 years and he has been by far one of the worst guys there. He's one of the slowest and is overweight. I think he may be able to pull off RT, but we could use a solid backup LT. Here's your Backup and possibly future starter. He played in the MWC so he hasn't faced "Elite" competition, but he has the size, the heart and the talent to be a solid starter if not a great one. I'm not so sold on Marvels long term either. Jake Long could eventually move to LT. Giving us Colon/Kuresa for RT.

5b) Leonard Peters, FS, Hawaii
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I love this move, but I hate it. I want him to be a backup and Special Teams Ace. I believe I've already stated my blatant disliking of Tyrone Carter. He's solid at Nickel, but he's a safety and gives almost no value there. This is why I love this move. I hate it because I think this kid is that Talented that he could end up beating out Anthony Smith at FS. Which would upset me, but if he's better, I want him to start. He has helped Hawaii push for their record this season. He's a solid cover safety and has incredible speed, to which I think he can play out on the island(pun intended) for when Troy Blitzes. I would love the Duo of An Smith + Leonard Peters & Troy P + Ryan Clark. That would give us a young quadro of talented Safeties.

6) Eric Foster, DT/ILB, Rutgers
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At a small 6'3 265 lbs (for DT anyways), Foster does a great job. He basically was 50-50 against Dan Mozes. I want this kid to play ILB. He'll allow us to keep deep with Talent at ILB and so even with Injuries we won't have to sign street or washed up players. I see at first Foster and Wallace battling it out behind Larry Foote, While Harris gets behind Farrior. Kreidwaldt would be cut. I think Kreidy was a solid Special teamer but thats as far as he really contributed. I like the bolstering of this roster with Young solid talent. Foster and Wallace could be special Teams ace's while working at backup. In a year or so when Farrior retires the best of the 3 could take it, and the other 2 would give us more than solid backups.

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
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Ah, my famous 7th round pick. He's a 6'6 290lb kid thats only played football for 2 years. He played basketball for a while and switched to football. He may have the athleticism to play OLB, but he's had 2 seasons at DE in a 3-4 so he will be able to come in knowing the position. May be nothing more than a pass rush specialist, but I think this kid has solid talent.




UDFA's to look at:

Sawyer Smith, QB, Portland State
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6'5 220 lbs prototypical size and speed. Can take a hit and keep moving. A poor mans Ben Roethlisberger


Brett Ratliff, QB, Utah
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6'4 225. Solid Passer, above average mobility, good accuracy. Was in a pass happy system that developed Alex Smith(SF)


Jackie Battle, RB, Houston
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6'1 250lb Bull. He is easier tackled than Tony Hunt, but he hits harder. Tony is a bouncer, this guy is a tank.


Paul Thompson, WR, Oklahoma
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I said when we picked Bowe that Ben needs some big targets. Paul Thompson is a WR playing QB right now. He has solid Speed and Size ratio, and could be a Randel El Esque player if he shows to have decent accuracy for trick plays.


David Sutton, WR, UTEP
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Again big target at 6'4 225, he has 4.4ish speed (If I read UTEPs site right). He's raw playing for short time converting from Volleyball, could be our next UDFA steal?


Chad Schroeder, WR, Texas A&M
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What has been killing us? Kickoff and punt returns? Well copy the people who've found the best... Baltimore/Cleveland. Schroeder is a burner that has played QB and moved to WR. at 6'1 180. He has legitimate 4.3ish speed. He turned his first 5 receptions into TDs. I think this kid could be our BJ Sams/Josh Cribbs


Brent Celek, TE, Cincinnati
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With the addition of Daniel Graham, we didn't draft a TE, Graham is young enough to give us a solid backup. But adding one for PS purposes isn't a bad idea. Celek has good feet and excellent hands. He's decent as a blocker. I've only seen 2 cincy games and He's been the big play guy from Cincy on offense in both.


Brandon Cox, OT, Louisiana-Lafayette
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I'll admit I haven't seen him play, but I've read up on him and he (from other peoples words and my interpretations) seems to really know how to use his 6'7 330lb body. Could be a scout team player.


Palauni Ma Sun, OG, Oregon
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Haven't got a chance to watch Oregon other than their upset of Oklahoma. However I can't recall him being great or horrid (Didn't watch the line as much). I think again, if he's as good as scout reports say, he could work his way up the system.


Van Houston, DE, Memphis
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College DT, could play DE on the PS and work his way up with Nua and Harris. Don't forget, Smith is 9 years pro, Kirschke isn't anything to be overly excited about, Rodney Bailey is only a band-aid on a small wound.


Xzavie Jackson, DE, Missouri
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College DE, that will play DE on our PS.


Quinton Echols, NT, KSU
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6'1 315lbs is solid and was a huge reason that KSU Upset Texas.


Marcus Bacon, OLB, Missouri
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I don't know what it is about the Missouri LB Core. I'm not a fan of Jamar Smith, But Jackson, Smith, Harrington and Bacon are players that could really evolve with the right defensive coaching (PITTSBURGH!)


Ramon Guzman, OLB, Buffalo
http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/football/pics/2005/action/Guzman-250917FB-172w.jpg
An OLB with DB Like Speed, 6'3 260lbs and could be a coverage LB for us on 3rd down.


Dedrick Harrington, ILB, Missouri
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Read Bacon!


Joe Sturdivant, SS, SMU
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Underrated SS. He may be 6' 210 lbs but he is a ballhawk. Played against smaller competition. Dad was a linebacker and he plays like one. Makes the sure tackle, not just the big hit.


Adam Graessle, P, Pittsburgh
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Solid Punter. Seems to have good mechanics and decent accuracy. Would compete with Mike Barr.

That wraps it up.


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Smooth Criminal
11-30-2006, 05:20 AM
Only problems I see are that we will not sign AT no matter how good he would be for us. Just not something we'd do.

No one will give us a first for Max Starks.

2nd for Porter is realistic.

I dn't think the Pats would be interested oin trading up.

I like the picks, but there is now way we get that many.

skarocksoi
11-30-2006, 09:55 AM
That is a lot of picks. I know thats sort of a dream draft situation there, but i dont think i could even pull that off in Madden let alone in the real world. It looks more like a team trying to rebuild, which I dont think we are. We just need to infuse some youth into some key areas (Oline, LB).

My worst case (or best case maybe?) scenario for the draft is this:

1.Starks gets tendered to a team looking for a big RT and we get a second rounder

2.Porter demands a new contract and threatens a holdout and we ship him out a-la Deion Branch for another second.

3.We trade down to the late teens early twenties for either the Pats 2 firsts, or some other teams 1st, 2nd, and maybe 4th or 5th.

So that leaves us with probably 1 first, 3 seconds, and an extra 4th or 5th.

Thats my guess.

Mr. Stiller
11-30-2006, 10:00 AM
That is a lot of picks. I know thats sort of a dream draft situation there, but i dont think i could even pull that off in Madden let alone in the real world. It looks more like a team trying to rebuild, which I dont think we are. We just need to infuse some youth into some key areas (Oline, LB).

My worst case (or best case maybe?) scenario for the draft is this:

1.Starks gets tendered to a team looking for a big RT and we get a second rounder

2.Porter demands a new contract and threatens a holdout and we ship him out a-la Deion Branch for another second.

3.We trade down to the late teens early twenties for either the Pats 2 firsts, or some other teams 1st, 2nd, and maybe 4th or 5th.

So that leaves us with probably 1 first, 3 seconds, and an extra 4th or 5th.

Thats my guess.

This was a dream draft, if I were GM.

There will be a change though. I'm going to put Ben Patrick at 5b instead of Leonard Peters. That way I don't really have to sign Daniel Graham.

Mr. Stiller
11-30-2006, 10:57 AM
Well guys this week we should get some idea of the following:

1) How good Nate Washington is as a starter - He's slated to be the #1 WR with Hines being out. I like it, but I'm worried about the Fact our Starting WR's will have a year combined between them. Then again we're really out of contention, lets see what the kid can do.

2) Willie Reid - With WR depth at a low, Willie Reid practiced this week and could be playing PR/KR this week. He's been upgraded.

3) Anthony Smith - With Polamalu out, Anthony Smith will see increased time starting in the Dime Package. Tyrone Carter will likely take over the SS Role. I wish they'd move Clark over and give Smith a straight up shot at starting.

As for Strategy:

1) Use Willie

The guy is slated to be a probowler after his second starting season. He's 3rd in the AFC and the sad part about that is he only has 4 - 100+ Rushing games. He would have more but we abandon the run too early. They lost Booger McFarland in a trade, our offensive line should be able to exploit Chris Hovan. We have a better line than Dallas IMO and should be able to get Willie 200+ Yards. At a Flat # of 200 that would put Willie at 1115 Yards on the season. Without knowing other peoples totals i'll give everyone ahead of him 100 yards. He would still be 3rd in the AFC but only 5th in the league.

2) Give Ben Time

Ben is as good as anyone when he has time. He Doesn't have Hines, but Nate Washington is coming into his own. He is probably our best jump baller, so if we have the lead don't be afraid to let him jump for a few.

3) Shut down Galloway

Our LB Group shuts down RB's 98% of the time so Caddy doesn't worry me as much as Galloway does. He has elite deep speed and we've seen that McFadden has trouble with faster recievers. We need Ike on Joey.

4) Pressure Bruce

Gradkowski is doing well as a rookie, but he's not amazing. He gets rattled easy. Without Troy this is going to be hard, but send some overload blitzes. He faltered under the pressure of the Dallas 3-4... I'm sure he would have trouble against ours.

CDub
11-30-2006, 11:17 AM
Stiller - only two flaws that I see with your "dream" scenario:

1. that does seem more like a rebuilding scenario and like skarocksoi I don't feel we need to rebuild, just upgrade a few areas

2. there's now way we could afford to take on all those draft picks or free agents without unloading 2/3 of our current roster.

Unlike a few others, I'm not ruling out the possibilty of A. Thomas becomming a Steeler, though it is unlikely. He has already expressed that he wants to test the market and if we can wait long enough and sign him just before he resigns with Bal, just like he did 3 years ago, though this year there will most assuredly be more interest in him.

With the current situation in Cleveland, ie, Droughns being dropped to 2nd string, it is looking more and more like the Browns do not want to pay his $1.75mil roster bonus or salary next year. If they do release him or allow him to seek a trade, what do you guys think about going after him?

At 5'11" 220 lbs he's not huge but he does run hard with a bruiser's mentality and has shown to be less injury prone than Davenport.(though I still like Najeh) He's only 28 and has always carried himself professionally while he was a backup in Denver and even now as he's being demoted for younger guys, so he's used to playing in a reserve role.

Mr. Stiller
11-30-2006, 12:18 PM
Stiller - only two flaws that I see with your "dream" scenario:

1. that does seem more like a rebuilding scenario and like skarocksoi I don't feel we need to rebuild, just upgrade a few areas

2. there's now way we could afford to take on all those draft picks or free agents without unloading 2/3 of our current roster.

Unlike a few others, I'm not ruling out the possibilty of A. Thomas becomming a Steeler, though it is unlikely. He has already expressed that he wants to test the market and if we can wait long enough and sign him just before he resigns with Bal, just like he did 3 years ago, though this year there will most assuredly be more interest in him.

With the current situation in Cleveland, ie, Droughns being dropped to 2nd string, it is looking more and more like the Browns do not want to pay his $1.75mil roster bonus or salary next year. If they do release him or allow him to seek a trade, what do you guys think about going after him?

At 5'11" 220 lbs he's not huge but he does run hard with a bruiser's mentality and has shown to be less injury prone than Davenport.(though I still like Najeh) He's only 28 and has always carried himself professionally while he was a backup in Denver and even now as he's being demoted for younger guys, so he's used to playing in a reserve role.

I can't find the link but I read this morning that Adalius isn't seeking an extension and has cancelled talks with Baltimore.

My opinion... If his asking Price is close to what Porter wants, Sign Adalius, Trade Porter.

I always liked Droughns, his injury issues worry me, but he reminds me of Duce, did well and came to Pittsburgh, got top heavy, too upright and kind of fell off the face of the earth.

CDub
11-30-2006, 03:23 PM
Without going into great detail, yet, the positions that I currently feel we need to see the most improvement from between now and next year are:

1. OT
2. OLB
3. OG
4. ILB
5. CB
6. WR
7. KR/PR
8. RB

In the near future I will go into detail on each of these positions and the list is flexible depending on the positional play throughout the remainder of the season.

Obviously this is just my opinion and the list, as well as how to address each of the problems, is up for debate.

Now the explinations.

Obviously positions 1-4 will have an affect on 5, 6, and 8, whereas 7 is it's own deal.

1. OT -

Problem - Starks can't get out of his stance before his assignment is already on top of Ben and Smith has actually been getting pushed around.

Solutions - I don't feel that it is time yet to give up on either of these guys but obvioulsy something must be done. Starks - offer him a one year tender, if someone wants him, we get the 1st rounder, if not, we force him to lose some weight and see how he performs knowing that his future earnings and job are on the line. Smith - after a down year like this his trade value will take a direct hit and I don't think we'd get a good enough return. So, we need to find another motivating factor (for both guys) and I think that would best come from a 1st rd pick. Whoever doesn't pick up their slack gets replaced the following year.

2. OLB -

Problem - DUUHH! - Lack of pass rush combined with sub-par coverage skills. I said it this pre-season and I'll say it again, Joey's best years are behind him (the only team he's played well against in the last two years is Cleveland - and Indy in the playoffs) and Haggans is solid but not spectacular and that is what's required of a Steelers OLB.

Solutions - Porter will not be here next year, however it happens.(if he is, we're wasting money dammit!) Haggans can succeed if he has someone drawing attention from the other side. Therefore, we need to find a stud in the draft. I know some of you feel it's a down year for 'tweeners but I think there are some guys who will be there in the 2nd rd who can be stars like Woodley and Spencer. I'd love to get A.T. but he's probably out of our price range.

3. OG -

Problem - Simmons is a turnstyle, Faneca looks out of shape and plays unmotivated, and as much as I like his pure run blocking toughness, I'm not yet sold on Kemoeatu's abilties as a pulling guard (and our guards pull a lot) or his pass protection.

Solution - Again, I don't think we should give up on any of these guys yet as they are young and have shown talent. Even though I have this pos. listed as our 3rd most important need in terms of improvement, I think a 4th rd pick can address the need. Faneca just needs to be motivated again and a down year like this should be enough for him. If we pick up a 4th rd pick and have an open competition going into next year between him, Kemo, and Simmons, one of them will separate himself as a starter.

4. ILB -

Problem - Age is cathing up with James Farrior. That's the only problem, but it needs to be addressed.

Solution - Larry Foote, much like Haggans, is a very solid player who can excel when playing alongside a star. Therefore, we need to find that star. Ideally, I'd like to have a guy like H.B. or David Harris there in the 3rd, but they'll probably be gone by the 2nd. A guy I've been interested in for the later rds is Oscar Lua of USC. In F/A, I think we could do the same thing we did with Farrior with Lance Briggs (pricey, I know).

5. CB -

Problem - Our #1 is not playing like a #1, our #2 has not yet grown into a #2, our #3 went from age 30 to age 60 in one offseason (forget falling off, that boy fell and can't get up), and our #4 muffed so many punts and kicks he hurt his neck trying to follow the bouncing ball. Last, but certainly not least, midgets just can't make up for their height (what ever happened to guys like Mel Blount - 6'3" 205 lbs, could run, hit, and catch)

Solution - PASS RUSH!!! That aside, going into this season I thought that the secondary would be one of our strong points, but due to injury and regression from our top two, we are left needing to improve the level of play. I know we're all dreaming of guys like McCaulley and Revis, but they'll be long gone by this point. Tanard Jackson is someone to think about in the draft, and Rodderick Hood is a potential F/A guy. We've got the talent at the right spots, we just need to put it all together, and spend some time after practice on the jugs machine.

6. WR -

Problem - Consintency and size. We've got guys who are quick, shifty, and good with the ball in their hands, but we don't have guys who can out-jump, out-muscle, or break tackles. Worst of all, right now, we don't have anyone who will consistently make the catch, Hines included.

Solution - Growth pills! Or....... get someone bigger! Hines obvioulsy should be our #1, Holmes should be our slot, and our #2 should be a 6'3" 215 lbs type. I'm sorry, Nate Washington just isn't good enough. Period. Guys like Calvin and Dwayne Jarret will be gone, as will Samardja and probably Bowe and Rice. If any of them are left I'd take 'em in a heartbeat. Guys like Paul Williams, Dallas Baker, or even Rhema McKnight should be there on the 2nd day. Drew Bennett could be a good F/A guy, as has already been noted here.

7. PR/KR -

Problems - Too much butter and fried chicken grease on hands, mixed with a nice side-salad of consentration lapses.

Solution - 2 step process: step 1 - CATCH THE FUC*ING BALL!!!!! step 2 - HOLD ON TO THE FUC*ING BALL!!!!! And if you feel so inclined, you can add a third step----RUN FORWARD!!!!! I know, I know, it's a foreign concept when we're so used to spinning in circles and running side to side without actually going anywhere. I don't think there need to be any draft picks or F/A moves spent on the return game, just by a bucket of stick'um and call it good. But seriously, next year we should be alright with Reid and either Holmes, Najeh, or Morey.

8. RB -

Problem - The rest of our offense is not setup for the 2,1,0,3,-2,1,3,35 yd hit or miss style that Willie gives us and DB's are not scared of Willie either, not to mention when he gets blown up by a blitzer.

Solution - BLOCK SOMEBODY!!! OPEN UP A GODDAMN HOLE!!! I love Willie's breakout potential and the game changing affect he can have. That said, I think we all realize that this team needs a bruiser to get us started and to finish things off. I think both Verron and Najeh are good 3rd down guys with the slight edge going to Najeh. I'd be happy keeping either one of those guys. However, we still need a RB who will come in for 3 or 4 series in a row and give us that 3, 4, 3, 5, 3 yd consistency to get the offense in rythm. In this case I think the F/A market could be our best bet with guys like Betts, Duckett, Droughns, Turner all being possibilties. In the draft, guys like Bush and Hunt are obvious, but a guy I kinda like is DeShawn Wynn.


Now, having listed these problems and some potential solutions, I must state that I feel we need to first find out what we have in backups and reserves. We need to find out if guys like Colon, Phillip, Essex, Harrison & Harrison, Wallace, Reid, and Humes can put to use the potential that they have that made us draft them and become starters, or if we need to resort to some of the solutions I've listed above.

Obvioulsy these are just some of my opinions and all are up for debate.

Smooth Criminal
11-30-2006, 05:13 PM
Stiller - only two flaws that I see with your "dream" scenario:

1. that does seem more like a rebuilding scenario and like skarocksoi I don't feel we need to rebuild, just upgrade a few areas

2. there's now way we could afford to take on all those draft picks or free agents without unloading 2/3 of our current roster.

Unlike a few others, I'm not ruling out the possibilty of A. Thomas becomming a Steeler, though it is unlikely. He has already expressed that he wants to test the market and if we can wait long enough and sign him just before he resigns with Bal, just like he did 3 years ago, though this year there will most assuredly be more interest in him.

With the current situation in Cleveland, ie, Droughns being dropped to 2nd string, it is looking more and more like the Browns do not want to pay his $1.75mil roster bonus or salary next year. If they do release him or allow him to seek a trade, what do you guys think about going after him?

At 5'11" 220 lbs he's not huge but he does run hard with a bruiser's mentality and has shown to be less injury prone than Davenport.(though I still like Najeh) He's only 28 and has always carried himself professionally while he was a backup in Denver and even now as he's being demoted for younger guys, so he's used to playing in a reserve role.

I can't find the link but I read this morning that Adalius isn't seeking an extension and has cancelled talks with Baltimore.

My opinion... If his asking Price is close to what Porter wants, Sign Adalius, Trade Porter.

I always liked Droughns, his injury issues worry me, but he reminds me of Duce, did well and came to Pittsburgh, got top heavy, too upright and kind of fell off the face of the earth.

Only problem with signing At and trading Porter would be that we'd still be paying an older linebacker alot of money and we'd have to take a cap hit for Porter. It'd be really expensive to trade Porter and sign AT.

THav916
11-30-2006, 06:34 PM
Mr Stiller, I can't knock that because of how in depth and well thought out it is, so I apologize if I'm nitpicking cuz I did enjoy, but....

You lost me with Kendall Simmons for a 2nd and Max Starks for a 1st. Now I know you said it's your dream situation and I understand, but still, in my dreams I might bang Pamela Anderson but it's not for 48 straight hours.

I think people are forgetting how close some of our games were this year and how a few plays here and there could change everything around. NFL really comes down to makin plays at the end of the games. There are only a handful that are really out of reach either way, year in year out per team. I would certainly make some of those trades you said just because i think they are no-brainers, but chances are most wont happen. Starks is young and could get another look (with maybe a better backup to push him). Simmons i wouldnt even give a 7th round pick for so i expect him to be here. Maybe try center, or just backup guard to Kemoeatu.

With 50 draft picks, I think it's safe to say we'll have a good draft. I know even u say you doubt we'd sign Adalius, and i'm a big fan as well, but i dont see it. I do like the Graham signing and DE options. They seem doable.

I usually don't like projecting trades for the draft, cuz often people project unrealistic trades. If i'm projecting, i factor in about the worst possible situation, which is more realistic to know what is a guarantee than what is a shot in the dark. Everyone (not you) always thinks its so easy to trade down or up, but it takes two to tango.

May I ask how old you are and what the heck you do for a living. You've got a lot of spare time. Wow. But hey, i enjoy the thoughts so keep it comin. I look forward to a slightly more realistic projection. And like I said, I'm only nitpicking at things i didnt like, not posting anything i did like.

richdg
11-30-2006, 07:50 PM
Stop talking about trading Porter. It is not going to happen. Yes, he is not the player he once was. The problem is, no one is going to give us anything for him. He has little value as trade bait. To old, to expensive, and if a team really wants him, all they have to do is wait. He may get cut.

Tonight is the MAC championship game. Watch #93 for CMU. That is Dan Bazian. He is a 4-3 DE, but might be able to play OLB like Kevin Greene did. Similier size, skills, and attitude. he doesn't give up. He will chase the ball all night long. That is the type of player we need more of. Guys that give 100% every game, all game.

It is a waste of time to talk about names. We don't know who is available yet. Yes, there are dozens of players that can help. But, we don't know which juniors are coming out, we don't know were we will be drafting yet, and we don't know how much (if any) cap space we will have. I know it has been a long year. But we don't know anything yet, we don't even know who ar ecoach is for next year. Be patient. All will become clear over the next 2 months.

I will say this. If anyone in the front office is listening, play the young guys!!!!!!! Find out who can cut it and who can't. the season is over. Play Kemo, Colon, Smith, Wallace, and Harrison.

THav916
11-30-2006, 09:09 PM
Stop talking about trading Porter. It is not going to happen. Yes, he is not the player he once was. The problem is, no one is going to give us anything for him. He has little value as trade bait. To old, to expensive, and if a team really wants him, all they have to do is wait. He may get cut.

Tonight is the MAC championship game. Watch #93 for CMU. That is Dan Bazian. He is a 4-3 DE, but might be able to play OLB like Kevin Greene did. Similier size, skills, and attitude. he doesn't give up. He will chase the ball all night long. That is the type of player we need more of. Guys that give 100% every game, all game.

It is a waste of time to talk about names. We don't know who is available yet. Yes, there are dozens of players that can help. But, we don't know which juniors are coming out, we don't know were we will be drafting yet, and we don't know how much (if any) cap space we will have. I know it has been a long year. But we don't know anything yet, we don't even know who ar ecoach is for next year. Be patient. All will become clear over the next 2 months.

I will say this. If anyone in the front office is listening, play the young guys!!!!!!! Find out who can cut it and who can't. the season is over. Play Kemo, Colon, Smith, Wallace, and Harrison.

I agree. I'd love to trade Joey Porter. But trades just don't happen in the NFL. Not at the regularity to predict it to happen, for such a high round pick, and then base our draft around it happening. He's aging, on the decline, and too many players get cut and can be had for no picks at all.

I'm all for the thought of, "If we can trade Porter, do it..........but I doubt it's gonna happen" theory.

And also agree about the young guys. Would really like to see Rian Wallace play. Essex is another one u didnt mention and I'd even give Simmons a shot at center. Why not?!?

Mr. Stiller
11-30-2006, 11:36 PM
That was a dream situation.

This is more Realistic.

Realistic Steelers Mock/Offseason:

1 Trade - our #9 to the Patriots for their #20 and #24

We get a 4th and 5th for comp

Only player who doesn't get resigned is Najeh Davenport (resign Bailey and Carter.)

We sign 1 outsider - Anthony Thomas



1a) Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
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Our pass rush has been nonexistant. With no clear cut top DE-OLB Merriman type lets try an alternative solution, get a shut down corner. Revis is a solid pickup and he could make an impact sooner than later. He would give us solid depth. Revis and Ike would be a great Duo and McFadden can Take up Nickel and if he doesn't like that and Anthony Smith doesn't pan out he can try FS.

1b) Joe Staley,OT, Central Michigan
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Staley is a favorite tackle in the NCAA. He has "2nd round" Grade, but he's a steeler fan and is a hard worker, could start at RT and see where it goes from there.

2) Brian Leonard, H-Back, Rutgers
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper168/stills/9dw2o9r4.jpg
Not necessarily a need, but we need talent on offense. Kreider is a power blocker, I think getting Leonard lets us let go of Najeh, get an injury free FB/RB. He's got great hands and is beyond a team player.

3) Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
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I've been watching Bowe a lot lately and he's money. He doesn't get the hype of Jarrett, Ginn, Rice.. But bottom line is, he makes the plays. He can come in, play the 3rd WR for a year, letting us cut or trade Ced, Moving Nate/Willie to 4th WR. Then When Hines is done, move him to #1. He has solid size, 6'3 220lbs. Decent speed, possession guy, and he isn't afraid to go across the middle or put his body on the line.

4a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Oct/10110512bSack.jpg
Pass Rush has been missing, lets get a big DE with solid speed here, he dropped because of injury.

4b) Ryan Kalil, OC, USC
http://www.tsglogos.com/images/172_Kalil_Ryan_action1.jpg
Phillip and Okobi the coaches are high on, but it won't hurt to add one of the most athletic for a center later in the draft. If Their Comfortable with Okobi/Phillip ... Change this pick to Conrad Bolston.

5a) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/259641.jpg
People were speculating on who Colbert was scouting at the VT/Clemson game... Not speculation anymore ;-)

5b) Ben Patrick,TE, Delaware
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg
If you guys liked Daniel Graham coming out, here's your guy. He's 6'3, 270 lbs. He is a blocking TE with solid recieving skills. Charles Davis was a bad pick last season, but this is the type of guy they were looking for.

6) Eric Foster, ILB, Rutgers
http://admin.scout.com/media/image/34/342862.jpg
We didn't add anyone so we do now. We're not sure what Rian Wallace offers and Eric Foster may be amazing if given the chance...

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Jun/25/FPI606250368V2_b.jpg
Good Size and plays his heart out.. 2 years in the 3-4 at DE give him pre-nfl knowledge of the 3-4.

mikehop05
11-30-2006, 11:58 PM
we will not take a corner with a #1 pick.

We need to pressure the quarterback, any corner can look bad when the QB has all day to throw.

We should forget revis and take woodley.

Or, another pass rusher.

I like leonard in the 3rd. If this could happen I would be estatic.

If we end up taking him in the 2nd, I would be upset at all either.

I doubt the patriots would trade with us too.

Mr. Stiller
12-01-2006, 12:07 AM
we will not take a corner with a #1 pick.

We need to pressure the quarterback, any corner can look bad when the QB has all day to throw.

We should forget revis and take woodley.

Or, another pass rusher.

I like leonard in the 3rd. If this could happen I would be estatic.

If we end up taking him in the 2nd, I would be upset at all either.

I doubt the patriots would trade with us too.

I don't, they may lose Asante Samuel... wouldn't hurt for them to move up and Take Leon Hall. Plus they need LB's.. Poz and the likes will be there.


As for Woodley, I don't think he's got the speed, hips to drop in coverage and just because he can rush i don't like the idea of having a liability in coverage.

12-01-2006, 08:05 AM
Stop talking about trading Porter. It is not going to happen. Yes, he is not the player he once was. The problem is, no one is going to give us anything for him. He has little value as trade bait. To old, to expensive, and if a team really wants him, all they have to do is wait. He may get cut.

Tonight is the MAC championship game. Watch #93 for CMU. That is Dan Bazian. He is a 4-3 DE, but might be able to play OLB like Kevin Greene did. Similier size, skills, and attitude. he doesn't give up. He will chase the ball all night long. That is the type of player we need more of. Guys that give 100% every game, all game.

It is a waste of time to talk about names. We don't know who is available yet. Yes, there are dozens of players that can help. But, we don't know which juniors are coming out, we don't know were we will be drafting yet, and we don't know how much (if any) cap space we will have. I know it has been a long year. But we don't know anything yet, we don't even know who ar ecoach is for next year. Be patient. All will become clear over the next 2 months.

I will say this. If anyone in the front office is listening, play the young guys!!!!!!! Find out who can cut it and who can't. the season is over. Play Kemo, Colon, Smith, Wallace, and Harrison.

I agree. I'd love to trade Joey Porter. But trades just don't happen in the NFL. Not at the regularity to predict it to happen, for such a high round pick, and then base our draft around it happening. He's aging, on the decline, and too many players get cut and can be had for no picks at all.

I'm all for the thought of, "If we can trade Porter, do it..........but I doubt it's gonna happen" theory.

And also agree about the young guys. Would really like to see Rian Wallace play. Essex is another one u didnt mention and I'd even give Simmons a shot at center. Why not?!? The only problem with playing all the young guys is, The idea in the NFL is to win and not give up. Yes it's highly unlikely we will make the playoffs, but I see no advantage to throwing in guys who are going to make mistakes against some good defenses and really bring our team down. We need to have our regular guys step it up so we can possibly get some trades. They are all getting paid big money to play not sit on the bench. Besides I don't want to watch preseason football in the middle of december. Steelers fans are about pride not throwing in the towel. You play until your done for the year. Plus if you start changing players all around you really risk hurting some other key players. You test the younger guys out in preseason, not against probowlers and regulars halfway into a season.

skarocksoi
12-01-2006, 08:45 AM
I know that trades don't happen very often in the NFL, but I do think that Joey Porter could very well be traded this offseason. However, thats basically dependant on him holding out for a better contract. He almost held out this past year and cowher talked him out of it, but this year that may not happen. Unless Porter realizes that he's played pretty bad this year and just takes what we give him and shuts his mouth (yeah right), he might try to get out of Pittsburgh. I could easily see a Deion Branch like scenario this offseason for us.

Plus he's 30, so he probably wants a nice big contract to ensure his job safety for several more years because a 31 year old free agent isnt gong to garner a whole lot of attention and get him that contract he desires. It's probably in his best interest to try and find a team who is willing to pay for a veteran and former star like himself, cause we certainly wont pay him a large contract. I could see a team like San Fran or the Jets (who are trying to switch to the 3-4) pick him up for a 2nd rounder easily.

mikehop05
12-01-2006, 01:46 PM
I wouldn't mind Porter being traded, however, after a bad season like he has been having, some guys tend to bounce back strong the next year. If we get the opportunity, trade him, if not, then we still get a pretty decent OLB.

TerribleEd
12-01-2006, 02:20 PM
Mr Stiller:

Here is a chart of draft pick values. I thought you might like this since you do alot of mock drafts and often include trades. This will help you make very realistic trades in your mocks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748

Mr. Stiller
12-01-2006, 04:57 PM
Mr Stiller:

Here is a chart of draft pick values. I thought you might like this since you do alot of mock drafts and often include trades. This will help you make very realistic trades in your mocks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748

i have one.. but even so, it's not an exact science.. trading a round 1 pick for 2 later 1st round picks is do able.

Smooth Criminal
12-01-2006, 05:06 PM
I really can't see Porter being traded. Thats just not something I can see the Steelers doing.

As for trading our 1st rounder for NE's two, why would they do it? They are a team that has a ton of talent and they'd probably love to add two guys liater in the first round rather than just a superstar early. They have some holes in their linebackers, secondary and recievers. Tehy need multiple picks not one high one.

richdg
12-01-2006, 05:22 PM
Why would we not play the younger guys. We are losing with the older players. The worst part is, it is are best players that are playing the worst. Porter, Haggans, Farrior, M. Smith, Hartings, Taylor and Simmons have all played poorly. Troy, Ward, and Ben have been hurt off and on all year. Most players drop off after they turn 30. It is a fact. Very few still play great into their 30's. QB's are the lone exception. If we go throw our roster, and look at the starters over 30, we find a third of our team. Faneca, M. Smith, Hartings, Ward, A. Smith, Porter, Haggans, and Farrior. These players are all starters, take up better than half of our cap, and all will start to drop in production. At this time, all have trade value. But trading any of them is tough to do. The cap hit for both teams is step. If any are traded, it also creates a hole. So you need to picks for each one. 1 to replace the traded player and 1 to upgrade another spot.
As for supp. picks, at most they will be 6th rounders. nothing to get real excited about. In fact all of day 2 is a crap shoot. Something like 94% of all the players in the NFL come from day 1. I stead of trying to have a lot of picks, we need 5 picks on day 1. The goal would be 2 OLmen, 1 LB, 1 power RB, and a big WR. Before the draft last year, everyone said I was wrong for wanting a big WR. Fact of the matter is, size does matter. A big WR is always open, because of his size. Small WR get to beat up to be depended on game after game. How many games has S. Smith missed the last 3 years? How has Carolina played with him gone? Do we really want to be handicapped for a third of the season?

richdg
12-01-2006, 05:36 PM
Let's atlk about who the coach is going to be. Untill we know that we don't know what systems are going to be used. if you don't know the systems, we don't really know which players are going to fit. If the next coach runs a 4-3, we need more DLmen, not LB's. If we are going to throw the ball more, we need great pass blocking Olmen. If it is a running attack we need bulldozers. So who is the next coach? Is Cowher in fact going to leave?
A name that iw ill throw out is Carroll. Why not? He isn't going to leave USC for a bad team. He might leave if he can go to a good team. Yes, he is stuck on staying home, but money talks.

mikehop05
12-01-2006, 07:14 PM
I don't see Cowher going anywhere. He is too much of a competitor to leave after such a crappy season. The next coach will be Wisenhunt I think, and I believe that will be in two seasons.

Mr. Stiller
12-01-2006, 10:00 PM
I don't see Cowher going anywhere. He is too much of a competitor to leave after such a crappy season. The next coach will be Wisenhunt I think, and I believe that will be in two seasons.

if we take Wiz up to HC, I am scared of how powerful our offense could be... Him and a good OC behind him, would be rediculous. He'd let LeBeau do his 3-4 still.

Mr. Stiller
12-01-2006, 10:04 PM
i know this is lookking ahead... i Really like Jeremy Young of Southern Miss at QB.. He's a 6'4 200lb QB that can scramble but has good poise, fast, and can stay in the pocket.. accurate, strong arm.

TerribleEd
12-02-2006, 01:18 AM
I cannot wait until everyone in Pittsburgh thinks Ben is the man again. It's just a matter of time.

Mr. Stiller
12-02-2006, 02:18 AM
I cannot wait until everyone in Pittsburgh thinks Ben is the man again. It's just a matter of time.

I never stopped thinking that.

mikehop05
12-02-2006, 03:17 AM
Same here, I have been behind Ben 100% since he started.

I get so pissed when they rank Eli and Philip as better quaterbacks then he is.

And yeah Stiller, if Wiz is the HC we are gonna put up colt-like numbers, and on another note... Don't be surprsied if Ben starts going no huddle more, after seeing him direct the offense against CLE and BAL, I have to say that he is one of the smarter QB's in the leuage, not to mention physically talented.

Mr. Stiller
12-02-2006, 03:26 AM
Trade Down from #9 to #13 and #13 in round 3.

1) Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
http://www.trojanfb.com/imagedb/albums/2004season/coloradostate/dwayne_jarrett.jpg

We got Santonio for WR in round 1 last year. We're still thin on talent at the position. Hines is getting older and eventually his body isn't going to allow him to get smashed on every play. Santonio looks like a Career #2. Thats not bad though, look at Reggie Wayne. I think Santonio is set at #2 and he'll light it up. Ced Wilson is our three and as much as I'd hope he'd explode out this season, he has, but not like I meant. He's dropped very catchable passes, made bonehead plays, and although he got screwed on his catch in the oakland game, he expects a call everytime he doesn't make a play. I think We are using 3 and 4 reciever sets more and we need to upgrade. Nate Washington has showed glimpses of solidness, but he's really untested and unproven. He's had some dropsies. He looks like he could be a solid #4. I think thats where he may be best serving. Willie Reid hasn't had a chance to prove he can play WR for us yet. So at this point i'm looking at him as only a return Specialist.

2) Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cmu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/229200.jpeg

Joe Staley is the best Tackle not to recieve 1st round grade. He could eventually make a run for LT. He's athletic and built. With Starks having issues with smaller athletic DE's I think Staley could come in after a year and out work Starks. Essex and Starks have weight problems and haven't shown me that they deserve the spot. Staley is a Pitt fan and he's a give it all kid. You won't find a better team player.

3a) Tony Hunt,RB, PSU
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2006/01/01-14-06cm/01-14-06dsports-13b2.jpg

Alot of people are calling for a bruiser. We need a short yardage guy. I was toying with signing a vet like Ladell Betts or Anthony Thomas, but they'll probably be expecting bigger money than I'm willing to offer. With Willie as Feature back, Najeh as our 3rd down back/Screen back/ KR, and Tony Hunt as our short yardage guy and splitting 3rd down time. I've watched a lot of Hunt. He won't put up huge 40' and will drop him. We know what he can offer and we know that his skillset is perfect. He has great hands, good vision, good cutback, and he has the ability to just bounce off defenders, I haven't seen many other guys just get hit 5-6 times before their finally tackled.

3b) Tanard Jackson, CB, Syracuse
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper522/stills/tx0im7q8.jpg

Being completely honest, he may not be here at this pick. He's accepted a senior bowl invite and I think the country will see how good he is. I think he could be Rashean Mathis in a few years. He's not as good coming out, but with some work and polishing, he could be a shutdown #2. I think McFadden could stay at Nickel for a while. He has trouble with faster WR's and I think he should cover the slot. Ike is a solid #1. Tanard would be an amazing #2. Bryant at #3, and Anthony Madison/Ricardo Colclough battle it out for #4.

4a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Oct/10110512bSack.jpg

Brian Smith reminds me of Adalius Thomas. He can Rush the passer, strong against the run, and I think he could jam the Slot reciever. He has solid size. I think at first, he and James Harrison will be top tier backups, but watch out for when he starts. He's 6'4 250lbs. I think He'll give us a solid pass rusher for the future, we're lucky he broke his hip.


4b)Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
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Nathan Bennett may be our best choice at guard in the entire draft. At 6'5 and 310 I think he's more than Athletic enough to play RG and pull. Fast enough to get out and block in front of Willie. I like Keomeatu but i think he may be too big for our offensive scheme. Bennett and Joe Staley anchoring the right side of the line has me really excited. I originally had him as a 5th rounder, but the more I think of it

5a) Ryan Kalil, OC, USC
http://images.athlonsports.com/d/840-2/Ryan+Kalil+.jpg

I know it's looking as if it's an incredibly USC focused draft and it is. Ryan Kalil has been really winning me over lately. He's athletic, smart, and he's a great blocker. I was hesitant to take him over Mozes. I think He'll be better for our offense as he seems more prone to our style. I think this is a solid Pickup so we have quite a few choices for next season.

5b)Deyon Williams, WR, Virginia
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/va/galleries/111205-m-footbl-GaTech/Williams-UVA-lg.jpg

Deyon is a speedster with underrated hands. I had originally thought Nate Bennett would fall here, but i doubt thats the case. We Take him a round earlier meaning we can't grab steve smith. Deyon has size. 6'3 size. Meaning all our WR's will be over 6'0. Santonio and Deyon would be our speedsters, Hines,Nate, Dwayne would be our go to guys.

6a) Eric Foster, ILB, Rutgers
http://admin.scout.com/media/image/34/342862.jpg

Eric could very well make the transition for 3-4 ILB. In fact I think he's perfect for it. He's 6'3 265 lbs. I'm sure he'll be more than fast enough, and since he's played DT he knows how to disengage opposing offensive lineman. Sliding him back he will be able to diagnose the play and make an impact. He has played 6 years at ILB (2 in college 4 in HS). I'm quite sure that he'll be able to do it.

6b) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/38096.jpeg

Ben Patrick is the quite possibly the most stout of the TE's in this draft. He's looking almost Defensive end size. 6'4 270lbs. He's a solid Blocker, and he still has the speed to go out and make a catch. We've all talked about Daniel Graham. I think he's trying to escape NE looking for someone in need of a TE (Bengals, Carolina). I think he could make the starting squad at least as #3 at first.

7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Jun/25/FPI606250368V2_b.jpg

Rare blend of strength and speed at the 3-4 DE position in Hawaii. Has held the point very well in the games I saw. Could be a developemental prospect. I think he'll prove to be a better later round pickup than Harris and Nua.


All this said, we just sign our FA's back. Rodney Bailey, Najeh, Tyrone Carter.

12-02-2006, 09:53 AM
Funny how we have a bad year and all of a sudden everybody wants to get rid of our players. The fact is we lost alot of chemistry with our team with the results of fumbles and int's that cost us games. When you lose games that you should win people get frustrated and lose confidence. This is basically the same team that won the superbowl last year. I get so sick of fair weather fans. Let's just dismantle the whole team and move it then also. Yes we need to address certain positions like center if Okobi isn't going to be the future, but if we would have won the 5 games we gave away nobody would be talking about starting all these young guys who are going to get thier jocks handed to them. Personally this is good for our guys to get embarassed. It will bring a fire to them next year to prove a point. Even Hines Ward was ready to throw the towel in by week 7. If that is how the whole team feels then of course they won't win. As for guys who are 30, that is when alot of them are right at thier peak. We have alot of young to go with our experienced players. Getting rid of guys live Smith and Fenaca is just plain stupid. One bad season and everybody wants to ax the team. Thank goodness most people on here are not in charge of the team. We probably wouldn't win more than 5 games a season every year. They would always want to get rid of everybody. Just suck it up and realize it's a bad season. This team will definately be back next year. As for head coach, I think Cowher will be back, but if he isn't we will stay inside the organization. We have a good core of coaches and would be really suprised if we didn't keep them. As for Carroll, that just is not going to happen. I don't think that is even a thought.

skarocksoi
12-02-2006, 12:35 PM
We dont need to dissasseble the team, but we do need to re-evaluate some of the positions on our team to see if we need a change. The age at certain positions is getting up there as well, which is why we need to use this draft to infuse the team with some good young talent to challenge some of the older guys, and ensure a good future for the team. Our front seven probably have about a 30 year old average age, and thats something that needs to change.

I think its also important to start some younger guys and backups toward the end of the season, or at least significantly reduce the starters playing time. This will help us to evaluate the current situation at certain positions and decide whether or not we need to adress it this offseason. It will also give our starters some rest, which will hopefully help to keep them fresh for next year. A good example is Hines. He has his knee surgery, and I see no point in having him get beat up for no real reason. We should give our younger recievers (Washington, Holmes, and Reid if hes healthy) some more playing time and experience. That will help us a lot for next year.

I look at this year as an opportunity to make this team a real super power for next year. Just look at the Patriots after their first superbowl win or even more likely, the Ravens this past year. Last year they were a good team that just killed themselves and imploded last year, but they used it to become much better and are dominating for the most part this year. If we make good moves this offseason and do some smart things, I think we could be unstoppable next year.

CDub
12-02-2006, 05:02 PM
First, we need to figure out who is coaching next year.

If Cowher stays then all we need to do is upgrade the level of play at a few positions like OT, RG, OLB, ILB, CB, WR. How this is done, whether it's done with the current players stepping up, through F/A, or through the draft, doesn't matter, just so long as it's done one way or another.

If Cowher goes, then we may need to rethink the current roster depending on what style of play the next coach runs. If he runs a passing oriented team we need to adjust our O-line 'cause our current group is aimed at the power running game. If he wants a 4-3 D, we need to add to our D-line.

No matter who the coach is, I think the WR group needs an upgrade. We need another big stud to take the pressure off of Hines and eventually Holmes.

skarocksoi
12-02-2006, 05:42 PM
If, if Cowher leaves, I dont see us hiring anyone who isnt going to run the schemes we already have in place. Doing that would change the entire setup of the organization and would instantly put us into a rebuilding mode, as we probably wont have the correct personnel to run the new schemes. That seems like a pretty drastic and completely unnecessary move to make for a team that won the superbowl only a year earlier. Any potential coach hire that we make will probably be from within the organization or have similar philosophies to what we already have.

I really dont think that hes going to leave until his contract is up, but you never know. The timing just might be right for him to leave now. We'll have to wait and see.

CDub
12-02-2006, 08:58 PM
I really hope the decision is made this offseason one way or the other. Either work out an extension or retire, because I don't like the idea of having a lame duck coach. Players generally do not respond to a coach who is in his last year when they know he won't be back the following year. And sure, you can always make that "audition for the next coach" argument, but that still only goes so far and players will only give enough effort to avoid looking bad (with the exception of a guy like Hines).

One thing about a new coach is, no matter where we find one, in-house or otherwise, he will make some changes. Even if he is a run first guy, he may make some changes to how we run, blocking schemes, etc. Remember, Chuck used to run the 4-3 and Cowher switched to the 3-4. Or, a new coach may keep the 3-4, but change to a pass oriented offense.

Another thing about IF we get a new coach is that I'm not completely sold on the fact that he'd come from the current staff. Remember there were a few good candidates on Chuck's staff that people thought would take over and instead the Rooney's found Cowher, who, by the way, was not one of the "hot/in-demand" coaches at the time. While I would prefer to have someone like Wiz who is already familiar with the current roster and schemes, I'm not ruling out the Rooney's ability to find someone somewhere else.

While we do indeed have some questions that need to be answered about certain positions, the most important question is who's coaching.

12-02-2006, 09:16 PM
I agree. The coaching question needs to be answered before anything else can really go on. If Cowher isn't going to return, it wouldn't matter if we played the young guys or not. The next coach might come in and clean house. Look at the Saints. I believe they cut 37 guys from last years team.

CDub
12-03-2006, 03:44 PM
Well, if the Rooney's didn't already have enough things to worry about this offseason with the team they have on the field, I think they're going to have to do something about the field itself. It looks horrible.

No Hines so we start Nate over Homes?!?! Well, with Cedric down we should get a good look at Nate, Santonio, and Morey. Go Heath!!!

Kendall false starts on 4th and in., fantastic!

P.S.

Dear Joey,

Stop celebrating!! You're having a sh!tty season and just picked up your 6th sack! SHUTUP!

Sorry, a little venting after a bad start to the game.

12-03-2006, 06:46 PM
How can you not like the fact that Washington started over Holmes. Nate has shown alot of progress and has played well. Holmes showed today why he isn't ready to be a 1 or 2 starter yet. What's the hate on Porter? The guy plays great and you rip on him. At least he shows some emotion, it's more than what most of the guys have been doing. Porter also gets double teamed alot this year, so that is what takes his production down more. I'm beginning to think we have a few fans here that would like to see the Steelers fail.

diabsoule
12-03-2006, 06:48 PM
I really think that Cowher is going to be back next year. I don't know why he would step down, especially after a bad season.

CDub
12-03-2006, 07:29 PM
Alright, for starters, the last thing I want to see is my team fail, I've been one of our biggest supporters on this site.

The reason I'm questioning starting Nate over Santonio is because this was a great opportunity to throw Holmes, the 1st rd pick, into the starting lineup and see what he could do. Nate is a decent WR and has shown some progression, but he's dropped way to many passes this year and I don't think he's a #2 guy at this level, more like a 3 or 4.

The reason I was saying anything about Joey, and after watching the rest of the game I'll say it about most of the D, is because I'm dissapointed in seeing them celebrate like we're 10-2 and they've been playing great all year. I understand that they're frustrated about last week, but when you're a 5-7 team who just beat one of the only teams in the league having a worse season than you are, you don't have any reason to be doing your kick, stomp, wave, clap, fist-pump, or any other individual celebration. At this point you should be showing some humility and just go back to the huddle.

The only teams that Joey has done well against are Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, and now Tampa, 4 of the worst O-lines in the league. Against anyone even resembling a good team he's been completely non-existent. That's what I really like about guys like Farrior and Haggans, they're both having better years than Joey but you'll never see them acting like it because their TEAM is not having a good year.

The unfortunate thing for Joey is that he got shot just as he was reaching the peak of his career, and while his body may have healed, his game has never fully recovered and unfortunatly he's not getting any younger.

If it sounds like I'm anti-Steelers I'm not, I'm just frustrated by a bad year from a team that I had very high expectations for. If nothing else, I hope this season teaches all of these young men on this team that reputation alone will not win you any games in the NFL. We won it all last year but it was just that, last year.

12-03-2006, 07:41 PM
Who isn't frustrated? I just like seeing emotion on the field by a player. I don't like how he runs his mouth before a game. I also disagree on the Washington and Holmes situation. I like Nate better so far than Holmes. I just don't trust Holmes with the ball. Either way I really don't care who ends up being the #2 guy, I just want either one to stand up and be a great player for us. I agree with you on the winning by reputation. I was worried about this all preseason and it has come to be true. We are way to good of a team to be at 5-7. Hopefully they will look in the mirror this offseason and to some soul searching.

skarocksoi
12-03-2006, 11:23 PM
I have to agree with CDub. Washington has dropped way too many easy passes this year to make me think that hes better than Holmes. Holmes is a better reciever and I'm not that worried about him playing in that role. I do worry when he goes back to return kicks, because it seems he can't hold onto the ball, but as a reciever hes been pretty solid.

I also agree about Joey Porter. I'm an old school kind of guy and I don't really like excessive celebrations by players. A little is ok but sometimes its just too much, especially for unimportant or just average plays. I hate when guys celebrate just for making a tackle or whatever. Now I never really minded Porter doing his thing because hes been able to back it up when hes playing on the field, but this year he hasn't played well at all. Even his two sacks today weren't that impressive because I'm pretty sure he came in almost unblocked. Plus the defense hasnt been playing that well and we just got thrashed in Baltimore. There's really no reason to do a little dance every time you do what you are paid millions to do. Foote made a much bigger play with his interception and he just ran off the field. There's really just no reason for it, especially with the year we're having.

There's also a difference between showing passion and excessive showboating. Troy plays with passion, Porter is just being a self promoting ass.

mikehop05
12-04-2006, 11:47 AM
I was at the game and I must say that it is awesome that there are still 60,000 crazy fans there, regardless of the teams record.

My thoughts on the game:

I don't think that Washington played badly at all, sure he has had some drop problems but no one can ever claim they don't drop balls. He held on to some tough ones yesterday, and looked solid... not great, not bad, but solid. We still need a big target guy, however, and I am not sure what happened to Wilson, but serious or not we need another reciever regardless.

I was pretty impressed with Anthony Smith. He got to play most of the second half as the free saftey. He seemed to be around the ball the whole game and delievered some nice shots as well. I think he had one lapse in coverage, it looked like a miscommunication when Clayton droppped that wide open pass... but no one can be sure if that was his zone or the corners.

Tyrone carter played an excellent game against the run I thought. He did his best Troy impression, though it was not the same as having Polomalu in there wrecking havoc.

The offensive line still did terrible. They couldnt open up holes. and their pass protection was adequate at best. Ben made almost every play happen by dancing around and buying time.

We need a powerback who doesn't go backwards after getting hit by everyone, including safties. Willie is a game changer, but he is not the type of grind-it-out player that need. We need a back that can consistently get us 3 - 4yds/carry, not 0 or 10.

We did get a better standard pass-rush but that seems irrelevent playing a pretty bad o-line and a rookie quarterback. We still had to blitz 6 guys a lot of times to get pressure. We should be able to rush the standard four, or five, and still be able to get pressure.

Overall I felt it was a solid performence, and it showed the weakness
that must be addressed this offseason, and I feel they should be addressed in this order:

OLB/Passrusher/DE
Right Tackle
Power Back
A versitile interior offensive linemen
Big Reciever
MLB

DeathbyStat
12-04-2006, 11:48 AM
What does everyone think of us taking Dwayne Jarrett with our first rounder?
O-line and CB may be a more immediate need but we have some young talent at both positions.

I hated the Holmes pick last year(he looks like a career number #2). Cedric Wilson is awfull. Hines can't go forever. Nate Washinton is decent. PLus we need a big WR. Jarrett is certaintly that. And he wil be the best overall talent when we pick.

mikehop05
12-04-2006, 12:16 PM
I really wouldn't mind the pick. We have other needs obviously but I think this would be very beneficial for us. I hope we go BPA in WR,OL,and OLB/DE in round one.

CDub
12-04-2006, 12:56 PM
I would be very happy with Jarrett as our rd 1 selection. I agree that we really need a talented big WR to take pressure of of our smaller guys. Plus, we have proven throughout Cowher's tenure to be able to find very good OL and LB after the first rd.

The only drawback that I can find in Jarrett is a lack of elite speed. I don't think he's as slow as Mike Williams proved to be, but he's no speed demon either. However, he makes up for his average speed with good effort and solid hands, which is more than we can say of our last big WR.

mikehop, I agree that Carter played well and after watching both he and Smith play yesterday I think we can rest assured that safety is at least one position, and maybe the only position, that doesn't need an upgrade this offseason as we appear to have quality depth.

I also agree that we need a quality "bruiser" RB. I was hoping that Najeh could be our guy, but the more I see of him, the more I realize that he seems to think he's Willie as he tries to be more of a finesse runner than a power guy. For a guy of his size I haven't seen him really push the pile or break tackles enough. I still think he can be a very good 3rd down back and it will be tough to decide between him and Verron, though it may just come down to contracts and who's willing to take less.

Once again I was very dissapointed in the O-line. This was not a good front seven that they were facing and we still had problems. I think Tampa's average weight on the D-line is something like 270 and we could not push them off the line to open up running lanes.

Washington did look better yesterday. The catch I was most impressed with was the one on the play-action-fade he ran down the right side-line when we were backed up to our goal-line. Unfortunatly the refs did not agree with me that he would have come down in bounds and thusly should have been ruled a push out and a completed catch. That said, I still see Nate as more of a 3rd or 4th wr. He's just an over-acheiver with average NFL skills, but I do appreciate the fact that he gives good effort on a consistent basis. It's too bad that his hands are not as consistent as his effort.

All in all, this was a sloppy win, but I'll take a win any way we can get one.

CDub
12-04-2006, 03:15 PM
Just another example of what I was talking about as far as the excessive celebration of mediocre plays by a mediocre defense is when Townsend came completely unblocked through the line and Gradkowski just curled up in the fetal position at his feet. Deshea then proceeded to celebrate as though he'd just shed two blockers and chased Bruce across the field. If anyone deserved to celebrate a play of that nature, it's Dick Lebeau.

diabsoule
12-04-2006, 03:24 PM
What does everyone think of us possibly trying to get Kenny Irons or Michael Bush in Round 2? or possibly Brian Leonard in Round 3?

mikehop05
12-04-2006, 04:23 PM
I do not think we will have a shot at Michael Bush in round 2. I would love for us to get Brian Leonard or Tony Hunt in the third, however, I see Leonard going in the late second. We may have a shot on Irons in the second, but I personally do not like him. He is not the power back we are looking for.

CDub
12-04-2006, 04:43 PM
I gotta tell ya, I am NOT a believer in Kenny Irons being a good choice for us. I feel that he's undersized and over-rated, partially because he goes to Auburn and people feel that because he plays there he must be good. And he may very well succeed with another team, but he's not at all what we're looking for.

Bush, however, I would love. Seriously, if we got him in the 2nd rd :shock: I'd probably have to change my boxers.

Leonard in the 3rd would be a good pickup. If Cowher is still the coach I don't think we'd use him to the fullest of his abilities, instead we'd use him as a power back only. It has been mentioned on here before that we would use him as an H-back, the only problem with that is the fact that the H-back position has been almost non-existent under Cowher and I wouldn't expect that to change just because we drafted a player who could do it.

This goes back to me not really liking us picking Heath Miller in the 1st rtd (hold on, slow down, don't jump out of your skin, please read the rest of this before you all freak-out). My biggest worry with the pick of Miller was that we were going to do the same thing to him that we did to Mark Bruener. When Bruener came out, he too was considered one of the best pass catching TE's in the country. His best statistical season with us was his rookie year. After that we simply turned him into a blocker. Unfortunatly I am watching us do the same thing to Heath. The problem is that we just don't scheme for the TE position. I know some of you are going to throw Eric Green's name out there as an example but that just doesn't hold enough water. I mean come on, 1 TE in the history of the Steelers to have actually been used in the passing game. It's nothing against Heath, he's got great skills, but when you don't use the TE like he should be used, I just don't think it warrants using a first rd pick on the position.

Now, having said all that, I still wouldn't mind getting Leonard because I think he could excell in the position we would use him for.

skarocksoi
12-04-2006, 07:09 PM
I've said this before, but if we go for a power back, I'd like to see us pick up Tony Hunt. Granted, if Michael Bush is there in the 2nd, that would be a great pickup, but Hunt is a more complete back than Bush in my opinion and has better skills at blocking and pass recieving. I think he could come in right away and take over for verron haynes as well as being the big guy we run up the middle. I doubt he has speed even close to Bush, but hes just as big and could probably bulk up and put on some more muscle to make him a monster up the gut. It literally takes several guys to bring him down when he runs because he is just so unrelenting, and hes got that perfect Steelers character that we admire. Either would be great, but we could probably pick up Hunt in the third, and save the second for an O lineman or something else.

I also think that Leonard is a bit overrated and I'd have to agree that we really wouldnt use him to his full potential. I mean how often does Kreider carry or catch a ball. Maybe once or twice a game? Not really worth the pick in my opinion.

Smooth Criminal
12-04-2006, 08:04 PM
I would love to land Michael Bush in the 2nd round. Problem with our current runningback situation is that both Haynes and Davenport are FAs after this year. I think we'll sign Davenport back but picking up a guy like Bush or Hunt to have for depth or spot carries would be great.

I think OL needs to be adressed in this draft somewhere. Not sure who or what position because everyone on our line has played incosistantly all year but we need at add some youth on the left side and quality on the right.

WR is a need that should be adressed. I don't think Ward will ever return to the level he used to be with his age and his injuries. I think he will be bothered by his knees and hamstrings for the rest of his career. With that said I don't want Holmes, Washington, and Wilson to be our recievers. I wouldn't mind going after a FA our an early draft pick. The recievers in this draft are awesome so we could probably get a very good reciever in the first round.

Linebacker needs to be adressed aswell. I don't think Porter will be traded. I think we will have the same four guys starting for us next year. We need to add some young blood before Haggans and Porter's deals are both up and we need some more help on special teams.

I like what we have on the D-line and some of our younger D-backs looked good last night with Polamalu and Clark out. Anthony Smith filled in great and will get another shot this week. Along the D-line we have had great depth this year. Kirschke, Bailey, and Hoke have gotten alot of play time which has helped to keep the starters fresh. They liked Orien Harris and they still have him on the practice squad so I don't think we need mich if any d-line help in the draft.

Just about the only places we don't need to look early in my mind are QB, D-line and D-backs. Going to be some tough choices in the first 3 rounds to fill needs at WR, RB, LB, and OL.

Smooth Criminal
12-04-2006, 08:06 PM
Just another example of what I was talking about as far as the excessive celebration of mediocre plays by a mediocre defense is when Townsend came completely unblocked through the line and Gradkowski just curled up in the fetal position at his feet. Deshea then proceeded to celebrate as though he'd just shed two blockers and chased Bruce across the field. If anyone deserved to celebrate a play of that nature, it's Dick Lebeau.

The celebrations bug me aswell. At the same time you want them to play with emotion but you don't need to make yourself look like an ass when everyone there knows you have been having a bad year.

I don't really mind when the backups celebrate when they make a play. Its relly their only time to shine so they need to take advantage.

Smooth Criminal
12-04-2006, 08:13 PM
Nobody posted it here but I'm sure people know.

Duce Staley was cut today.
Willie Reid was put on IR.
Chidi Iwouma was signed.
Lee Mays was signed.

Cedric Wilson and Ryan Clark were both injured sunday and will both miss the game Thursday. Polamalu and Ward will both miss the game aswell. That makes our starting recievers Holmes and Washington and our starting safeties Anthony Smith and Ty Carter. Should be interesting to get a good look at Smith.

mikehop05
12-04-2006, 08:59 PM
I saw him [Smith] play sunday and he did pretty well. He hit pretty solidly and covered pretty well. I am pretty excited about the combo of him and Polomalu in the future.