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JPF
11-09-2006, 08:13 AM
Since the old one seems to be gone...hopefully Ward won't get too mad at me over this. :?:

JPF
11-09-2006, 01:02 PM
So as I recall, the last post was JJ saying he hoped that we'd be able to get a draft pick for Hartwig this offseason. To which I have to reply...

Are you nuts? Think about the caphit from his deal and the fact that he'd never been hurt until he got here.

The way that seems to happen to players, sure makes me want to question our medical staff.

ShutDwn
11-09-2006, 02:07 PM
80 pages.. GONE!!!!@!#


oh well.

Yeah, so I bet we make Gradkowski look really good, and we will make it harder than it has to be. Deangelo will not get the amount of carries he should, and we will blow a lead.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-09-2006, 11:10 PM
^ Sounds like an accurate prediction to me

Hartwig is pretty much unnecessary on the team right now, but yea the caphit would suck. It's not that he's bad or anything...he's just not amazingly good and anything less than that really isn't going to matter on the line we have

JustJoe2k5
11-10-2006, 10:23 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if we went on another mid-season run. Which is really a double-edged sword. I want to see the team succeed, but if we are able to pick up some momentum and make the playoffs I feel that all of our problems will be ignored.

As long as we make the playoffs, a change will never be made at either offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator. With Henning and Trgovac at the helm, I doubt we EVER win a Super Bowl.

As much as I hate it, it will take a complete abortion of a season for the front office to finally make the coaching moves necessary to make this team a consistent contender on par with the Colts and Patriots.

ShadowPanther
11-10-2006, 11:06 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if we went on another mid-season run. Which is really a double-edged sword. I want to see the team succeed, but if we are able to pick up some momentum and make the playoffs I feel that all of our problems will be ignored.

As long as we make the playoffs, a change will never be made at either offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator. With Henning and Trgovac at the helm, I doubt we EVER win a Super Bowl.

As much as I hate it, it will take a complete abortion of a season for the front office to finally make the coaching moves necessary to make this team a consistent contender on par with the Colts and Patriots.

So true. :(

SchizophrenicBatman
11-11-2006, 04:35 PM
We will go on another run but unless New Orleans starts tanking and we take the division we're going to have a hard time getting into the playoffs. Losses vs Minnesota and Dallas is going to suck for the tiebreakers

rainbeaukid2
11-11-2006, 04:44 PM
We will go on another run but unless New Orleans starts tanking and we take the division we're going to have a hard time getting into the playoffs. Losses vs Minnesota and Dallas is going to suck for the tiebreakers

i doubt that new orleans goes on a huge losing streak so it looks like the panthers will have to make it to the playoffs as a wildcard

JPF
11-13-2006, 06:52 AM
Saints are only a game up after they lost yesterday. :roll:

Vikings Fan
11-13-2006, 04:41 PM
So, whats up with DeAngelo Williams? He seemed to be getting some carries but he hasnt lately, is he injured?

ShutDwn
11-13-2006, 04:50 PM
So, whats up with DeAngelo Williams? He seemed to be getting some carries but he hasnt lately, is he injured?

He has been injured since the Cleveland Game. He looked good before that though

Vikings Fan
11-13-2006, 04:56 PM
So, whats up with DeAngelo Williams? He seemed to be getting some carries but he hasnt lately, is he injured?

He has been injured since the Cleveland Game. He looked good before that though


Huh, he was my favorite player from the draft. Darn. Well, thanks and good luck, Ill be pulling for ya.

ShutDwn
11-13-2006, 09:09 PM
lol, we are so pathetic. God, we need to fire the coordinators right now. They deserve to get booed off the field

JustJoe2k5
11-13-2006, 11:30 PM
Touchdown pass when we were already ahead, that is some sign of life. Atleast we didn't run into the middle of the defensive line on every play once it was 17-10.

ShutDwn
11-14-2006, 05:37 PM
Isn't it hilarious how Smith hasn't played in two games but he is fourth in receiving yards?


He goes out and makes plays every week, it is hard to believe.

yodabear
11-14-2006, 11:26 PM
I guaratee Steve Smith will have 200 yards receiving in a Panther victory this week.

@$#
11-16-2006, 02:15 AM
yes i know this is the panthers thread but i need some help on what defensive play book to use in madden and you guys seem to know lots about football.

heres my team and if you wanna know why its ridicolously fast its because i cheat.

RE Merriman
DT Bunkley
DT K.Jenkins
LE Peppers

ROLB Howard
MLB Alston
LOLB Lawson

CB1 Cromartie
CB2 Hester
CB3 F Washington
FS J Williams
SS S Taylor

what playbook do you think?

SchizophrenicBatman
11-19-2006, 12:24 PM
Hmm...lets get some action going on here

Lucas out injured today but Marshall should be ok. I wish he was replacing Gamble though...

Running game looks a little better so far and Steve made a dead sexy catch that was called back

ShutDwn
11-19-2006, 01:31 PM
Hmm...lets get some action going on here

Lucas out injured today but Marshall should be ok. I wish he was replacing Gamble though...

Running game looks a little better so far and Steve made a dead sexy catch that was called back

Yeah, but he made an even better one too.

DeAngelo has been awesome. Foster isn't going to be gone long i don't think, looked like a sprain.

Peppers continues to be held all the time.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-19-2006, 01:35 PM
I really dont understand why refs never call holding on people blocking Peppers. Just because they do it on every play doesnt mean its legal

Panthers have dominated this game so far and I have to say Im a little disappointed in only a 10 point lead. Story of this season though

SchizophrenicBatman
11-19-2006, 01:47 PM
These ****ing penalties are killing us

ShutDwn
11-19-2006, 02:46 PM
I really dont understand why refs never call holding on people blocking Peppers. Just because they do it on every play doesnt mean its legal

Panthers have dominated this game so far and I have to say Im a little disappointed in only a 10 point lead. Story of this season though

Exactly, we can't put a game away, that would be no fun.


Marshall is a guy who just seems to be in the right place quite a bit. He has done an awesome job on Holt

JustJoe2k5
11-19-2006, 06:30 PM
I'll take it. It was the St. Louis Rams' defense, but any type of momentum our running game can gain is good news. DeAngelo Williams and Nick Goings should both be ahead of DeShaun Foster on the depth chart, regardless of injury. Keyshawn Johnson's pass made absolutely no sense and isn't the type of innovation I want to see in our offense. I suppose Dan Henning just can't get anything right. Defense looked spectacular. DeAngelo Williams injected some life in our kick returns. Punt returns still need alot of work and we could certainly use a return specialist like Devin Hester in the next draft.

ShutDwn
11-19-2006, 06:38 PM
I'll take it. It was the St. Louis Rams' defense, but any type of momentum our running game can gain is good news. DeAngelo Williams and Nick Goings should both be ahead of DeShaun Foster on the depth chart, regardless of injury. Keyshawn Johnson's pass made absolutely no sense and isn't the type of innovation I want to see in our offense. I suppose Dan Henning just can't get anything right. Defense looked spectacular. DeAngelo Williams injected some life in our kick returns. Punt returns still need alot of work and we could certainly use a return specialist like Devin Hester in the next draft.

yeah but we did got that one kid who runs a 4.2

I love DeAngelo.

I think of him kind of like Dwayne wade compared to Reggie Bush's Lebron James and Maroney's Carmelo Anthony

JPF
11-20-2006, 01:47 PM
Here's my view of the game, first one I've been to this year...


*We left at least 13 points on the field because of turnovers and penalties

*Some will probably be unhappy to know that Spoon got a very warm welcome when he was announced

*When Smitty was announced, you didn't hear anything the PA announcer said after "Wide Reciver, from Utah..." the place went absolutely nuts

*Speaking of Smitty, you could feel the entire stadium let out a big sigh of relief when he got up and walked off the field

*When Smitty was down, Key ran down to check on him and wouldn't leave until he was sure he was okay...so much for not being a team player

*Didn't like the pass attempt by Key, I applaud the creativity of trying something new, but that playcall struck me as not being good. As soon as he starting trying to get a throwing grip on the ball I said Oh ****, sunk down into my seat and covered my face

*We finally have a Mike Rucker sighting!

*It probably didn't get picked up on TV, but Gamble picked something up on the Rams offense a couple times where he was yelling stuff out to the rest of the defense. One play in particular, Gamble shouted something out to Davis a few seconds before the Rams snapped the ball....Davis ended up sacking Bulger on that play.

*Foster...yet another injury

*We've got a pretty good crop of rookies in Williams and Marshall...Williams was electric when carrying the ball and Marshall did pretty damn good lined up against Torry Holt all day

*MyPanthers (guy I went to the game with, some might now him from other boards) is permanently banished to the restroom at all home games (he went with about 4 minutes left in the 1st half...we got 2 sacks and scored 10 points while he was gone)

*Got to meet some people I hadn't and see some old friends...great time!

Modano
11-20-2006, 04:54 PM
Do you that next week Foster will be again the featured back? Deangelo showed yesterday that he can carry the load succesfully.. He's way better than Foster, Foster is an average back, good on third downs, nothing to be excited by..
And DeAngelo got a nose for the endzone.. I don't know why you didn't give him the ball in the last ten yards..

JPF
11-20-2006, 08:54 PM
Foster isn't really good on third downs. If he was, we probably wouldn't be dead last in the league at converting them.

Anyway, I doubt he starts next week since he has an hyperextended elbow.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-21-2006, 09:56 AM
Alright I do gotta give Gamble credit since Ive been on his case all year. He had a real good game Sunday and the leadership thing JPF mentioned is encouraging. Marshall also had another good game :D

We really need Lucas back though, Morton did get an INT but it was because of Peppers. On one play he was covering Holt on a basic crossing route and Holt just flat out smoked him.

I dont have a problem with Foster still being the "starter" Let teams think his anemic run style (anyone notice how he just kind of runs into the line and flaps around like a beached fish?) is what theyre getting, then put DWill in for 15 carries. Also, if you bench Foster this year itll really kill his confidence and our 2nd string RB might as well be Goings then (though...that might not be too bad). Next year...and the next 8 after that...will be DWill's time, I can wait

D-Unit
11-21-2006, 12:09 PM
Did Julius Peppers play last week? He didn't show up on the stat sheet or put up any points for my fantasy team. Is he ok?

thule
11-21-2006, 12:22 PM
Did Julius Peppers play last week? He didn't show up on the stat sheet or put up any points for my fantasy team. Is he ok?

He didn't get hurt...but he attracted about all 5 OL which lead to the success of everyone else. Sucks fantasy wise....but has to feel good being a panthers fans and having everyone contribute.

ShutDwn
11-21-2006, 02:10 PM
Did Julius Peppers play last week? He didn't show up on the stat sheet or put up any points for my fantasy team. Is he ok?

He didn't get hurt...but he attracted about all 5 OL which lead to the success of everyone else. Sucks fantasy wise....but has to feel good being a panthers fans and having everyone contribute.

Yeah, basically. He defended a few passes, and was held on almost every play as usual.

SuperMcGee
11-22-2006, 08:57 PM
If any of you live in the Raleigh area, I just want to let you know that I hate Ned Barnett. what a prick

ShutDwn
11-22-2006, 09:57 PM
If any of you live in the Raleigh area, I just want to let you know that I hate Ned Barnett. what a prick


I don't live there, or know who that is. Care to explain?

SuperMcGee
11-22-2006, 10:15 PM
He's a sportswriter, possibly a Hurricanes beat writer, and last year during the NHL playoffs they ran his article in The Buffalo News, and he was basically like "Sabres fans are stupid, Lindy Ruff is not a great coach, the sabres only won because of lame excuse blah blah bllha..." He was just really arrogant and ignorant, and probably mad because Sabres chants were loudly heard in his own arena.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-23-2006, 12:51 PM
I got school at NC State but I havent read anything by Barnett (cuz I dont really follow the NHL that well...and my team is the Rangers, not the Canes) but I do know that just about every beat writer in this state is a moron so it wouldnt surprise me if a Canes writer was too

ShutDwn
11-24-2006, 11:20 AM
So, it kind of seems like the defense is coming together, all after that dinner they had. I am kind of skeptical though, we haven't really played any super teams yet though

SchizophrenicBatman
11-24-2006, 02:34 PM
The linebackers just stopped playing like ass and Mike Rucker decided he didnt want to get cut at the end of the year

21ST
11-26-2006, 09:38 AM
jus came to wish u guys g/l and hopefully steve smith will keep it under 300 yards

SchizophrenicBatman
11-26-2006, 11:16 AM
Same here, hope for a good game.

I wouldnt worry about your teams recent struggles today. The Panthers always suck vs the Skins and vs question mark QBs

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 11:37 AM
The linebackers just stopped playing like ass and Mike Rucker decided he didnt want to get cut at the end of the year

Rucker also didn't have to go up against Pace, that could have helped a little. lol

hopefully we get the same energy level

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 02:19 PM
Jake isn't taking us anywhere. Way to inconsistent and he can't handle any pressure.

Neither is our offense and defensive scheme.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-26-2006, 02:57 PM
**** Delhomme

**** Gamble

**** Henning

**** this team

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 03:05 PM
Delhomme cannot handle any pressure. Pathetic.

Once again, I was right.

sweetness34
11-26-2006, 03:08 PM
So could we be seeing a QB addressed in Round 1, maybe a Troy Smith or a Drew Stanton?

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 03:12 PM
So could we be seeing a QB addressed in Round 1, maybe a Troy Smith or a Drew Stanton?

Well, we should, but I don't know what to expect. This team is to ******* loyal to anyone they have no matter how bad. (see our coordinators)

Smith yes, Stanton no.

Stanton reminds me of Delhomme.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-26-2006, 03:17 PM
Good game boys.

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 03:19 PM
Good game boys.

Yeah, the way you guys were running I couldn't believe we were ahead. lol

SchizophrenicBatman
11-26-2006, 05:17 PM
For some reason I think we'll wait until the 2nd day to get a QB and we'll end up with someone like John ****ing Beck but after this year I'm all for taking Troy Smith in the late first (if we even get a late first...)

We need new Safeties though. Minter totally whiffed after Gamble blew coverage on Cooley

In fact, this should be our offseason

Sign: Ken Hamlin, random journeyman LB for competition

Round 1: Troy Smith
2: Safety
3. PR/KR
4. Safety
5. Safety
6. Safety
7. CB

edit: Also, I'll say it right now. I'd rather lose every game the rest of the season than sneak into the playoffs like last year and win 1-2 games on the road to get blown out in the NFCG. If we lose out maybe they FINALLY realize some changes need to be made. If we manage to reach the playoffs again I guarentee everythings all fine and dandy next season and this **** happens all over again. Losing 13-17 with the kind of effort the defense put up all game (until the DBs ****ed up at the end) is UNACCEPTABLE and has happened all god damn season

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 05:28 PM
For some reason I think we'll wait until the 2nd day to get a QB and we'll end up with someone like John ****ing Beck but after this year I'm all for taking Troy Smith in the late first (if we even get a late first...)

We need new Safeties though. Minter totally whiffed after Gamble blew coverage on Cooley

In fact, this should be our offseason

Sign: Ken Hamlin, random journeyman LB for competition

Round 1: Troy Smith
2: Safety
3. PR/KR
4. Safety
5. Safety
6. Safety
7. CB

edit: Also, I'll say it right now. I'd rather lose every game the rest of the season than sneak into the playoffs like last year and win 1-2 games on the road to get blown out in the NFCG. If we lose out maybe they FINALLY realize some changes need to be made. If we manage to reach the playoffs again I guarentee everythings all fine and dandy next season and this **** happens all over again. Losing 13-17 with the kind of effort the defense put up all game (until the DBs ****ed up at the end) is UNACCEPTABLE and has happened all god damn season

Well, we were owned all day on the ground.

But yeah, I hope we don't go to the playoffs. If we do, nothing will happen.

JustJoe2k5
11-26-2006, 06:37 PM
Also, I'll say it right now. I'd rather lose every game the rest of the season than sneak into the playoffs like last year and win 1-2 games on the road to get blown out in the NFCG. If we lose out maybe they FINALLY realize some changes need to be made.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Instead of an under-study for Jake Delhomme, we need to look for his replacement.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-26-2006, 06:39 PM
I dont really know how to fix the run problem though. I mean, we have all this "depth" at DT. The LBs played like **** the beginning of the season but they look a little better now. We have enough problems covering TEs/3rd WRs (Cooley this week...who next week? Do the Eagles even have people worthy of being called 1st/2nd WRs? Are they all going to own us then?) so bringing in a run stuffing LB will help one weakness but magnify another.

I just cant believe after what Colston did to us at the end of the NO game that the Cooley TD even had the POSSIBILITY of happening. It's just pathetic. This is the NFL, that looked like my high school and they won 5 games over the 4 years I was there

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 06:44 PM
Also, I'll say it right now. I'd rather lose every game the rest of the season than sneak into the playoffs like last year and win 1-2 games on the road to get blown out in the NFCG. If we lose out maybe they FINALLY realize some changes need to be made.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Instead of an under-study for Jake Delhomme, we need to look for his replacement.

One of Smith's benefits is he plays in a similar pro style offense. I think if we get someone good in there we could really make him manage the game and make plays without being a rookie just thrown in there.

I want Mooch

SchizophrenicBatman
11-26-2006, 06:52 PM
Also it doesnt look like my wish has very good odds. As pathetic as the Panthers are, the rest of the NFC may be worse. How are we still 6th in the conference???

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

WOW WOW WOW HILARIOUS stats. We have the highest strength of victory win % in the NFC besides Tampa Bay and the Skins but a middle of the road/weak strength of schedule. Know what that means? WE LOSE TO BAD TEAMS. And what does that mean? THE COACHING SUCKS. How hard is it to keep people motivated? I mean, should we just hire Dr. Phil or something and pay him instead of the Special Teams staff since they dont do anything anyway?

Also, in total TDs per team we are only ahead of:

3-8 Charlie Fry-led Cleveland
2-9 Andrew Walter/Aaron Brooks-led Oakland
3-8 Bruce Gradkowski-led Tampa Bay

I dont think the offense would really be anymore anemic with a rookie QB than it already is

ShutDwn
11-26-2006, 07:01 PM
Also it doesnt look like my wish has very good odds. As pathetic as the Panthers are, the rest of the NFC may be worse. How are we still 6th in the conference???

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

WOW WOW WOW HILARIOUS stats. We have the highest strength of victory win % in the NFC besides Tampa Bay and the Skins but a middle of the road/weak strength of schedule. Know what that means? WE LOSE TO BAD TEAMS. And what does that mean? THE COACHING SUCKS. How hard is it to keep people motivated? I mean, should we just hire Dr. Phil or something and pay him instead of the Special Teams staff since they dont do anything anyway?

Also, in total TDs per team we are only ahead of:

3-8 Charlie Fry-led Cleveland
2-9 Andrew Walter/Aaron Brooks-led Oakland
3-8 Bruce Gradkowski-led Tampa Bay

I dont think the offense would really be anymore anemic with a rookie QB than it already is

exactly, we have to much talent to never have scored 30 points this season. Have we even scored 20 without a defensive score?

JustJoe2k5
11-27-2006, 07:11 AM
Falcons wouldn't trade him to a division rival, but Matt Schaub looks really nice right now.

I think our complete offensive gameplan is completely out of whack from the team we should be.

DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster are shifty speed runningbacks, don't run them into the middle of the other team's defensive line. Send them to the outside where they can make plays with their speed. If you want to power it down the middle, USE ERIC SHELTON. The guy plowed through the Redskins for a first-down yesterday. How did we reward him? Sat him on the bench for the rest of the game. Either use the kid or cut him loose, that is alot of money gathering dust on the bench.

Why do we need to constantly take a shot down the field on every possession? We have one of the best possession receivers in the NFL in Keyshawn Johnson and one of the biggest playmakers in the NFL in Steve Smith. Send Keyshawn Johnson to the first-down marker and just have him sit there. Send Steve Smith ten or fifteen yards down the field and just have him sit there. If Smith isn't open, Delhomme can just dump it to Keyshawn and have a first-down. If Smith is open, he has the ability to turn a short pass into a 70-yard touchdown. We need to take the pressure off of Delhomme and put it on the people who can handle it, Keyshawn Johnson and Steve Smith.

ShutDwn
11-28-2006, 03:57 PM
DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster are shifty speed runningbacks, don't run them into the middle of the other team's defensive line. Send them to the outside where they can make plays with their speed. If you want to power it down the middle, USE ERIC SHELTON. The guy plowed through the Redskins for a first-down yesterday. How did we reward him? Sat him on the bench for the rest of the game. Either use the kid or cut him loose, that is alot of money gathering dust on the bench.


Shelton looked good out there, he should have gotten an in game chance for short yardage.


Danny (Rapid City)SD: Do you think that Carolina will draft a QB this off season, due to the poor play of Jake Delhomme or do they stick it out a couple more years.

Eric Edholm: (4:25 PM ET ) I do. They obviously won't get a shot at Brady Quinn, but Drew Stanton has some Delhomme-esque characteristics that will interest them. More likely, I think they'll wait a little bit and maybe look at a guy like Troy Smith or trent Edwards, maybe a John Beck from BYU. It's not a great QB class at all in '07.

I don't want Stanton at all, he makes the same mistakes Delhomme does and he is in a spread system.

Trent Edward, Kolb and Troy Sizzle (Smith lol) are my favs, Smith being the top.

Troy doesn't force much, and he handles pressure pretty well. I also like how he holds the ball, he isn't going to get it stripped as much as Delhomme did.

I think if we can get him in here with a west coast offensive coordinator we could be fine with a rookie. We aren't like other teams where the rookie is at a disadvantage personel wise. Smith has a good arm and can throw on the move


We are pretty much perfect for a WC offense or one like the Patriots. We have two great receiving backs, Drew Carter, Steve Smith and Key. Hell, if he is a good coordinator he could probably bring out the best in Gaines.


Oh, and how about this quote from Henning?

Our Job is not to go out and score a lot of points. Our job is establish field position.


And that is exactly what they do, they don't play to win, they play not to lose.

11-29-2006, 04:58 PM
hey im not any panthers fan but i was wondering what happened to deangelo williams. is he injured. is he good ? whats his future look like ??

SchizophrenicBatman
11-29-2006, 09:31 PM
I like the timing of Henning's quote since it came right after a game where the Redskins started with the ball on their 40yd line or better every drive

BlindSite
12-01-2006, 09:32 PM
hey im not any panthers fan but i was wondering what happened to deangelo williams. is he injured. is he good ? whats his future look like ??

He's showing us what he can do in the future. He's not a probowler or anything like that at this point in his career, but with the way he's been playing when he has been used he could be a very, very dangerous runner in the future much in the mold of priest holmes.

tomspanthers
12-02-2006, 11:07 PM
I really don't see us using a first or even second rounder on QB next year. Delhomme can play under pressure, the super bowl game proved that. It's possible that he has an injury that is affecting him that he's trying to play through, it's also possible he's just having an off year. Either way, there's no reason to panic on him yet.

I know Morgan keeps saying he'll be back next year, but he isn't someone we can count on anymore. If he's back, great. We need to draft as though he won't be. It's difficult to predict where we'll be picking right now, but if we could land a solid MLB like Patrick Willis from Mississippi it would be a big help. If Dan Connor from Penn State declares we could get him a little later for depth as well.

We also need to address SS, TE, RT, and maybe even another OLB.
DL and CB are solid, and RB, WR, QB are good enough we don't need to spend early picks on them.

Just my opinions.

Shiver
12-02-2006, 11:17 PM
Falcons wouldn't trade him to a division rival, but Matt Schaub looks really nice right now.


He's an RFA, so if the Panthers payed the right price, there is nothing Atlanta could do about it.

BlindSite
12-03-2006, 12:35 AM
I wouldn't want schaub. He's a west coast QB, no experience in our system. He'd be a rookie again that was marginally used to the speed of the NFL... no thanks.

I'd rather we sign Ramsey as pure competition and then draft a linebacker and safety in the second round, focusing on slot receiver in the third.

ShutDwn
12-03-2006, 10:40 AM
I really don't see us using a first or even second rounder on QB next year. Delhomme can play under pressure, the super bowl game proved that. It's possible that he has an injury that is affecting him that he's trying to play through, it's also possible he's just having an off year. Either way, there's no reason to panic on him yet.

I know Morgan keeps saying he'll be back next year, but he isn't someone we can count on anymore. If he's back, great. We need to draft as though he won't be. It's difficult to predict where we'll be picking right now, but if we could land a solid MLB like Patrick Willis from Mississippi it would be a big help. If Dan Connor from Penn State declares we could get him a little later for depth as well.

We also need to address SS, TE, RT, and maybe even another OLB.
DL and CB are solid, and RB, WR, QB are good enough we don't need to spend early picks on them.

Just my opinions.

Delhomme constantly costs us a few games a year, and those games are the difference between HFA and playing 3 straight road games. He is erratic and inconsistent, he can't carry a team like he thinks. The game could be close, and the defense would be doing well, but he has to be a hero and he goes and makes a mistake.

Number 10
12-03-2006, 10:01 PM
I'll be in Carolina for the Giants-Panthers game next week.

Any do's and and don'ts for me?

dpl85
12-03-2006, 10:15 PM
I'll be in Carolina for the Giants-Panthers game next week.

Any do's and and don'ts for me?
Never been there but it's the south dude, you got nothin to worry about as long as you don't talk too much crap. The south is real laid back and chill, practically like a whole nother world than the northeast.

D-Unit
12-04-2006, 03:03 PM
Any realistic opinions on tonight's game?

ShutDwn
12-04-2006, 03:42 PM
Any realistic opinions on tonight's game?


umm, we will make Garcia look really good.

D-Unit
12-04-2006, 03:55 PM
Any realistic opinions on tonight's game?


umm, we will make Garcia look really good.
I wonder.... Everyone seems to be high on Carolina except their own fans...

ShutDwn
12-04-2006, 04:27 PM
Any realistic opinions on tonight's game?


umm, we will make Garcia look really good.
I wonder.... Everyone seems to be high on Carolina except their own fans...

I don't know what team they think we are then... The team has idiot coaches and the players aren't allowed to play with passion.

JustJoe2k5
12-04-2006, 05:20 PM
It's hard to get excited about a team that shuts down it's offense once they hit double-digit points.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-04-2006, 05:21 PM
Alright predictions for tonight:

- LJ Smith will rip us a new one
- Jeff Garcia will look like he should be starting
- We either completely ignore the Eagles problem with the running game or try to exploit it TOO much and run like 80% of the time. The other 20% are 40 yard passes on 1st down
- Westbrook or Stallworth will get a cheap TD on us because our DBs dont know how to tackle

I'm also giving the team a very slight chance to come out and make a statement on MNF that they're for real. Let me emphasize very slight though

SchizophrenicBatman
12-04-2006, 08:54 PM
Im so sick of the offensive playcalling when we have a lead. It's just the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. 3rd and 8 and Brad Hoover is open for a 3 yard pass? Go for it! We're up by 7 points! 5 3 and outs in a row wont wear out our defense or anything

draftguru151
12-04-2006, 09:15 PM
Was Ken Lucas benched or is he hurt?

D-Unit
12-04-2006, 09:16 PM
Lucky for you Andy Reid is an even dumber coach. Instead of trying to run out the clock before the half, he calls consecutive pass plays that go incomplete that allow you guys to go down and score a TD.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-04-2006, 09:20 PM
Our offense looks great when the other team is in a prevent and we actually open up the playbook

Lucas has been hurt up to this week and I think he's probably still like 80%. Marshall has been great this year (and even that Stallworth catch wasnt his fault as much as a great play by Stallworth) so there's no rush to get him back in there

draftguru151
12-04-2006, 09:24 PM
I heard he was doing poorly before and he was almost benched then, is there any truth to that?

ShutDwn
12-04-2006, 09:43 PM
I heard he was doing poorly before and he was almost benched then, is there any truth to that?

The team thinks that if they do that to Gamble then Gamble will regress because of his fragile psyche, but they think Lucas will work harder.

Don't see how you can be benched when you haven't even played the last few games.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-04-2006, 09:46 PM
Well he's been hurt most of the year with different injuries but he had a pretty bad missed tackle against the Falcons in Week 1 (though he wasnt covering the guy he missed on) and hadnt been the near-shutdown guy he was last season. He certainly wasnt playing any worse than Chris Gamble has since he's been injured though.

I'm wondering why Chad Morton (#35...street free agent) was out there covering Stallworth as the 3rd cb instead of Lucas on that last TD. There may be something we dont know that Fox is trying to cover up

edit: the Gamble thing makes sense as well though I hadnt heard it

D-Unit
12-04-2006, 11:07 PM
Anyone here a supporter of Jake Delhomme?

JustJoe2k5
12-04-2006, 11:12 PM
Anyone here a supporter of Jake Delhomme?

Read some posts and you could find out for yourself. He is far too inconsistent to lead us to the Super Bowl. And the quarterback position will need to be addressed sooner rather than later, we won't have the type of talent we have at the skill positions for much longer.

D-Unit
12-04-2006, 11:19 PM
Anyone here a supporter of Jake Delhomme?

Read some posts and you could find out for yourself. He is far too inconsistent to lead us to the Super Bowl. And the quarterback position will need to be addressed sooner rather than later, we won't have the type of talent we have at the skill positions for much longer.
Tough spot. FA is weak. Chris Simms is probably the best of the bunch. If you try doing it through the draft, that's automatically a 2-3 year project.

At the same time... you guys got beat by Jeff Garcia... Something has to give.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-04-2006, 11:33 PM
Im not blaming that loss on Delhomme but he certainly hasnt helped us this season

Gamble gave up another long TD. Marshall has had better games. I better see Lucas out there next week. If not starting, then at least playing over CHAD ****ING MORTON who got completely smoked by Stallworth. I was wrong about LJ Smith but the reasoning was good. We always get smoked by 3rd WRs/TEs/RBs because our LBs/S cant cover and once again it happens. And I hope Peppers is done sleeping

Giants/Panthers will be a fun game to see who wants to lose more

At least DeAngelo had a good game

JustJoe2k5
12-05-2006, 07:31 AM
Anyone here a supporter of Jake Delhomme?

Read some posts and you could find out for yourself. He is far too inconsistent to lead us to the Super Bowl. And the quarterback position will need to be addressed sooner rather than later, we won't have the type of talent we have at the skill positions for much longer.
Tough spot. FA is weak. Chris Simms is probably the best of the bunch. If you try doing it through the draft, that's automatically a 2-3 year project.

At the same time... you guys got beat by Jeff Garcia... Something has to give.

The guy in your signature doesn't look like a bad option. I think Brennan has the tools to succeed in the NFL and isn't just a product of the Hawaii system.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-05-2006, 11:07 AM
From what I saw of Brennan in the Hawaii/Oregon State game he has random fits of wildness just like Delhomme, though I wouldnt say theyre random fits of stupidity. That could have just been the 20mph wind too

And it makes his completion % even more impressive

I like that Ilaoa guy even more, he could be a Nick Goings type with more of a power game

D-Unit
12-05-2006, 12:04 PM
Come to think of it, Carolina would be an awesome fit for Brennan. Never gave thought to that before. You could probably grab him without using a first round pick too! One thing though, you'll have to wait until the 2008 draft. He's returning to Hawaii for his senior year.

Ilaoa is nasty! I think he's a real player, but I don't know if he'll get drafted. If someone gives him a shot to come to camp, he'll show up some guys. He just needs a chance.

ShutDwn
12-05-2006, 03:21 PM
Yeah, we need someone with mobility. You can't imagine how much more dangerous Smith would be with a mobile guy.



Oh, and Smith is a man among boys, he just furthers why he is the best. Nobody plays with his passion and heart.


Deangelo is awesome, him and Smith are like the same guy!

Number 10
12-05-2006, 10:11 PM
I'll be in Carolina for the Giants-Panthers game next week.

Any do's and and don'ts for me?

JustJoe2k5
12-05-2006, 10:35 PM
I'll be in Carolina for the Giants-Panthers game next week.

Any do's and and don'ts for me?

Not really. Just don't be obnoxious and you should be fine. Our fans don't try to start any fights or crap like that simply because one person is a fan of the other team. Be respectful and you'll receive the same type of respect in return from the Panthers' fans.

I've heard some fans say that the selection of food at the stadium is far from the best, so you may want to eat somewhere else prior to the game. I would suggest Bojangles, can't visit North Carolina without some chicken and biscuits.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-06-2006, 05:13 PM
Delhomme sat out practice today with a torn ligament in his right thumb

Chances are that Weinke will be starting

-_-

ShutDwn
12-06-2006, 07:16 PM
Delhomme sat out practice today with a torn ligament in his right thumb

Chances are that Weinke will be starting

-_-

At least we can try something new.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-08-2006, 04:22 PM
Gamble's out with a hamstring injury too

Normally I wouldnt mind but now our #2 CB is Chad Morton

JustJoe2k5
12-10-2006, 09:32 AM
I wouldn't expect this offseason to be as sexy as the last one. We'll need to find a left tackle, guard, and possibly another center. I expect we'll draft a quarterback sometime on the first day of the draft, although Jake Delhomme will likely have atleast one more season as the starter. DeShaun Foster should be dealt, we need to find a talented power runningback to compliment DeAngelo Williams and help resuscitate our third-down offense. Keary Colbert should be released or traded, we can look to the draft to find another wide receiver who could also return punts. Ryne Robinson out of Miami (OH) has caught my eye, he is the same type of receiver as Steve Smith and is explosive on special teams. I also think we should look to free agency to find a tight end that can catch the football on a consistent basis. We don't need a playmaker, we need a steady safety valve like Daniel Graham from the New England Patriots.

Our struggles on defense are well-documented. The secondary needs to be addressed, a new starter at safety is needed and talented depth at cornerback is needed. I don't view the linebackers as as much of a problem, but some young depth would be nice.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-10-2006, 09:48 AM
I actually think we'll look more for a PR/KR who plays DB in his spare time. Our depth after the first 3 CBs this year is awful and I dont see it getting any better

Not that it would be that big of a factor, we need a returner for his pure skills. Not what position he's going to spend as a career backup for

ShutDwn
12-10-2006, 02:20 PM
Weinke > Delhomme

Give Weinke a couple more weeks and he will be playing great. He is stonger, smarter and much more technically sound.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-10-2006, 02:29 PM
We're not going anywhere with either one. I'd rather see Basanez, he at least looked good in the preseason while neither Weinke nor Delhomme have looked good at all this year

JustJoe2k5
12-10-2006, 03:06 PM
At this point, Rodney Peete may be an upgrade over what we'll get out of either Chris Weinke or Jake Delhomme. If we commit to his development, JaMarcus Russell may be our future. Unless we completely re-vamp our offensive line, we'll need a quarterback with the ability to scramble effectively.

JustJoe2k5
12-10-2006, 03:10 PM
One positive from this entire dibacle was the fact that the announcers singled-out Dan Henning, which is what I think needed to happen for any change to happen.

ShutDwn
12-10-2006, 03:23 PM
One positive from this entire dibacle was the fact that the announcers singled-out Dan Henning, which is what I think needed to happen for any change to happen.

What did they say? I missed some of the game.

JustJoe2k5
12-10-2006, 03:32 PM
One positive from this entire dibacle was the fact that the announcers singled-out Dan Henning, which is what I think needed to happen for any change to happen.

What did they say? I missed some of the game.

Early on, they showed Henning and mentioned that he was under fire the past few weeks. After the first or second drive, when we ran the ball on third-and-long, Aikman called out Henning and said that this is why Panthers' fans wanted a change.

BlindSite
12-11-2006, 06:47 AM
The Panthers in the offseason need a new offensive coordinator and new offensive line coach...

Then we need to get a new safety that can cover and react in the secondary.

Finally we need to get Shelton more involved and draft a dedicated return man.

We're struggling on defense because the offense can't maintain posession...

Number 10
12-11-2006, 02:00 PM
There was an INSANE amount of Giants fans in Carolina.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-11-2006, 03:20 PM
Yea, we have terrible fans. There's some dedicated guys of course like for every team but for the most part BoA is filled with the wine and cheese crowd thanks to PSLs. When the season is in the gutter that crowd sells off their tickets to opposing teams' fans

This team really isnt as bad as it looks though. Injuries and bad luck have played a large role in ****ing us over much more than bad play has (though bad play certainly hasnt helped either). I know injuries come every year with us so maybe its time to stop blaming that, or get a new medical staff, but it just seems like there's always about 10 games a season with us where the game could go either way. And every year, about 8 of them end up as the same result. This year, they've all been losses. Just off the top of my head, Minnesota, Cincinatti, Skins and Eagles. Even yesterday the Giants fumbled like 4 times and we didnt recover a single god damn one. The Giants got that 4th and 10 play and the quick scoring drive before the end of the 1st half which are kind of fluky. Even though I distinctly remember getting outplayed, that game was a lot closer than the final score. I remember outplaying Cincinatti as badly as the Giants outplayed us and we somehow lost that, so its not like it doesnt ever happen

All I'm saying is next year probably wont be that bad. We've had on/off years under Fox since he got here. Don't blow up the team just yet, we've probably got a couple more SB runs in us with this nucleus. Do we need help at Safety, LB and Oline? Yea, but we knew that coming into the season anyway. Delhomme has been awful this season but do you know how long it took to find a QB as good as him? From the conception of this franchise until he took over, with Beuerlein being the only guy ever coming close. Another rookie (even a high pick) or competition is fine, but I've seen smart people on other boards suggest cutting Delhomme outright and getting Leftwich, which makes absolutely no sense to me. Like we need anymore injury prone starters

And for what its worth, the season isnt over yet. Granted, it's damn close since we lose every tiebreaker imaginable and this team is going downhill fast but we still had a chance in Week 16 after starting 1-7 a couple years ago...

I still dont mind losing out if it means coaching changes. Fox gets a reprieve, the assistants dont

diabsoule
12-15-2006, 03:04 AM
How do you guys think you'll do against Pittsburgh?

JustJoe2k5
12-15-2006, 12:09 PM
We'll carry a 3-0 lead into the fourth quarter and lose 27-6.

P-L
12-15-2006, 12:10 PM
The the Panthers lose out, trading up for Quinn might not be out of the question. What do you guys think?

JustJoe2k5
12-15-2006, 12:13 PM
I'd be all for it, but Brady Quinn likely wouldn't come packaged with an offensive line so it may not be as much of an upgrade as it would seem.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-15-2006, 03:59 PM
I dont like Quinn that much but whatever

There's a scenario where we can end up with the #4 pick so we might not even have to trade up. Id rather get Joe Thomas than Quinn, he is a monster

JustJoe2k5
12-16-2006, 12:14 PM
I think we should look to address the offensive line in free agency. A season with a rookie on Delhomme's blindside wouldn't likely be any more effective than Jordan Gross or Travelle Wharton. I think we should look to free agency for a left tackle and the draft for an interior guard to challenge for the spot opposite of Mike Wahle and to eventually replace Mike Wahle.

Josh Wilson out of Maryland could help us in a number of ways. He is a solid cornerback with fantastic speed, which would definitely be an asset with the number of deep passes offenses throw on us. He is also a very dangerous kick and punt returner, which continues to be the biggest flaw on our team.

With the current state of our offensive line, any quarterback we put behind center will need to be mobile to be able to succeed. I still think JaMarcus Russell could fly up our draft board as the offseason progresses.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-16-2006, 04:12 PM
JaMarcus is really perfect for the offense we run but if you think getting a rookie LT would be a disaster Russell would be World War III out there next year. Again, I dont think we need to start from scratch. Our team could very well have 10 wins right now if not for some bad luck and stupid decisions. I have a feeling we leave the tackles as they are since Wharton will be cheap for his value due to his injury and Gross, as much of a disappointment for the #8 pick he is, is still a solid RT. Our interior line is a mess and I dont think bringing in more rookies is going to do anything there since the entire line and depth is 1st and 2nd year guys besides Wahle and Hartwig

JustJoe2k5
12-16-2006, 04:40 PM
I still think Jake Delhomme will be our starter next year, so Russell wouldn't have to start immediately.

The reason I feel we may need to address the left tackle position in free agency is because I hope we'll have a new offensive coordinator next season. Hopefully, the new coordinator will understand that DeAngelo Williams needs to run to the outside to be effective, because of that the main responsibility to run block would shift from the interior of the offensive line to the two tackles on the outside. Jordan Gross is decent at left tackle, but at his best on the right side. We need another great tackle to compliment him on the left side and to help block for both DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster when they run to the outside.

However, I also can't help but see what Marcus McNeill has done for LaDainian Tomlinson in San Diego. You may be right Batman, but I don't know if a left tackle who is a year removed from a major leg injury is what our injury-prone team needs. Joe Staley looks like a nice option, and we could possibly trade down and still pick him up later in the first round or early in the second round.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-16-2006, 05:57 PM
Nah I completely understand the injury thing...of course the only reason McNeil fell so far is his small spine being a career risk. I kind of like getting Russell to sit behind Delhomme but I dont like the idea of using a 1st round pick for the future when the present looks alright. Denver did it last year and their QB position is/was similar to ours and it really hasnt helped them a whole lot, yet. Staley is a guy I can see our staff falling in love with but he reminds me too much of Gross

Patrick Willis is still my favorite player in next years draft

SchizophrenicBatman
12-17-2006, 11:18 AM
I have a feeling we win today simply because it makes no sense for us to do so

I also know that BoA is going to have more Steeler fans than Panther fans :/

SchizophrenicBatman
12-17-2006, 12:28 PM
Weinke is about two 3 yard passes on 3rd and long from earning the nickname "Captain Checkdown"

ShutDwn
12-17-2006, 03:45 PM
I think we should look to address the offensive line in free agency. A season with a rookie on Delhomme's blindside wouldn't likely be any more effective than Jordan Gross or Travelle Wharton. I think we should look to free agency for a left tackle and the draft for an interior guard to challenge for the spot opposite of Mike Wahle and to eventually replace Mike Wahle.

Josh Wilson out of Maryland could help us in a number of ways. He is a solid cornerback with fantastic speed, which would definitely be an asset with the number of deep passes offenses throw on us. He is also a very dangerous kick and punt returner, which continues to be the biggest flaw on our team.

With the current state of our offensive line, any quarterback we put behind center will need to be mobile to be able to succeed. I still think JaMarcus Russell could fly up our draft board as the offseason progresses.

I don't want a guy who just has better atheeltic ability but still makes the mistakes.


We won't need to worry so much about oline if we get a new QB. Why? Because they won't be ******* idiots and be under center when it is an obvious pass play instead of being in shotgun.

Get a guy that can get it out quick and is smart. Smith, and Quinn can both run shotgun well.

Bearsfan123
12-17-2006, 10:05 PM
How do you guys feel about this trade?

Bears send to Carolina Tank Johnson a 2nd and a 6th, Carolina sends Kris Jenkins to Detroit, and Detroit sends Shaun Rogers to Chicago.

Thoughts?

sweetness34
12-17-2006, 10:10 PM
How do you guys feel about this trade?

Bears send to Carolina Tank Johnson a 2nd and a 6th, Carolina sends Kris Jenkins to Detroit, and Detroit sends Shaun Rogers to Chicago.

Thoughts?

Never happen but nice try.

JustJoe2k5
12-17-2006, 10:26 PM
Add Brian Urlacher to your end of the deal, we'll add Dan Morgan to our end of the deal and you'll have yourself a deal. :lol:

Bearsfan123
12-17-2006, 10:28 PM
Add Brian Urlacher to your end of the deal, we'll add Dan Morgan to our end of the deal and you'll have yourself a deal. :lol:

:lol: :lol: funny but no. Ill rethink my idea. Thanks for the input tho.

JustJoe2k5
12-17-2006, 10:31 PM
Seriously, we wouldn't trade for someone like Tank Johnson. We value character as much as any team in the NFL, so Tank certainly wouldn't be a player we would target in the offseason.

ShutDwn
12-18-2006, 05:17 PM
Anyone else think that maybe we are becoming the redskins and think we can just buy wins?


Also, John Fox has said he doesn't believe in picking QBs early because they take to long to develop.


Yeah, ok John. Well your offense is a ******* peice of **** because you have no QB. Your dipshit offense of "pound it" doesn't work anymore. Your team isn't that way anymore and your loyalty makes you look like a fucktard.

Yeah John, your right. Other teams have problems too. But other teams weren't picked to win the SB dumbass. You have let down so many people with your ******** ways. Everyone can now see you how you are, your a coach that only has 2 winning seasons out of 5.

metafour
12-18-2006, 05:34 PM
Heard that Rucker was out for the rest of the year...who is going to replace him for the last few games?

JustJoe2k5
12-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Heard that Rucker was out for the rest of the year...who is going to replace him for the last few games?

Likely Al Wallace for most of the time, Stanley McClover may also get a chance to play.

JustJoe2k5
12-18-2006, 05:43 PM
Anyone else think that maybe we are becoming the redskins and think we can just buy wins?


Also, John Fox has said he doesn't believe in picking QBs early because they take to long to develop.


Yeah, ok John. Well your offense is a *********** peice of *********** because you have no QB. Your dipshit offense of "pound it" doesn't work anymore. Your team isn't that way anymore and your loyalty makes you look like a fucktard.

Yeah John, your right. Other teams have problems too. But other teams weren't picked to win the SB dumbass. You have let down so many people with your *********** ways. Everyone can now see you how you are, your a coach that only has 2 winning seasons out of 5.

I wouldn't say we are like the Redskins. They only major move we have made recently is signing Keyshawn Johnson, that was a necessary move as we needed a compliment to Steve Smith. Other than that, I actually think we spend too little in the offseason. I believe we try too much to simply equal the talent we lose, instead of actually looking for an improvement in free agency.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-19-2006, 07:23 PM
pro bowl rosters out, ill just c&p what i posted in the thread

Not that any cares about kickers but John Kasay has been better than Gould this year, everyone is just slobbing over Gould because he was the Neil Rackers of fantasy this year until he started sucking hard recently.

Case in point: Kasay's only 3 misses are from 65, 53, 50. Gould has missed 4 FGs and hasnt even attempted one from beyond 50

Kris Jenkins making it is a complete joke. Complete joke. He's been mediocre at best this year.

Steve Smith and Peppers have done absolutely nothing in 5-6 weeks but whatever

Glad to see Adrian Wilson finally make it though!

ShutDwn
12-19-2006, 07:58 PM
pro bowl rosters out, ill just c&p what i posted in the thread

Not that any cares about kickers but John Kasay has been better than Gould this year, everyone is just slobbing over Gould because he was the Neil Rackers of fantasy this year until he started sucking hard recently.

Case in point: Kasay's only 3 misses are from 65, 53, 50. Gould has missed 4 FGs and hasnt even attempted one from beyond 50

Kris Jenkins making it is a complete joke. Complete joke. He's been mediocre at best this year.

Steve Smith and Peppers have done absolutely nothing in 5-6 weeks but whatever

Glad to see Adrian Wilson finally make it though!

Smith was fine until weinke came. He deserves to make it.

12-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Can you guys please beat the Falcons on Sunday???


What do you put your chances at?

JPF
12-20-2006, 01:03 PM
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BTW...Mike Wahle is now on IR as well.

Mixed thoughts on everything else...

This team is so screwed up I honestly have no idea what to expect us to do this offseason. You can go any of about 5 different ways and not be way off base.

Any one else wonder if Fox will use Ruckers' injury as reason to take a DE in round 1?

JJ- You seem to be forgetting about the big contracts of Kemo and Hartwig this past offseason when you say we haven't made any major moves. Not saying we are becoming the Redskins, but both of their contracts are actually bigger than Keys from what I remember without looking it up.

Honestly, I'd like to see us can this whole coaching staff, trim some fat from the roster that's wasting cap room, and go QB in round 1. I could see maybe giving Fox another year with different coordinators but if we still saw the same problems after then, give him the axe too.

Fox's view on early Qbs is ridiculous. None of the guys he's drafted later since he's been here have done squadush. Fasani was a wasted pick, and LeFors was as well.

I hate to say it guys, but I already in the back of my mind had thought this was the last realistic year of our window with the current configuration of the team. Given how that's worked out, it may be time to start from scratch building for 2008 around Smith, Peppers, Williams, and Davis.

JustJoe2k5
12-20-2006, 03:49 PM
Next season;

D'Anthony Batiste
Taye Biddle
Dion Byrum
Keary Colbert
Todd Fordham
Brandon Jamison
Dave Kadela
Jeff King
Kevin McCadam
Kindal Moorehead
Christian Morton
Scott Peters
Nate Salley
Mike Seidman
Derrick Strait
Chris Weinke

shouldn't be on the roster. I also don't think we should look at veteran free agents this offseason, we need to add some youth to the roster. Look to the draft, look to undrafted rookie free agents, and look to players who have never really gotten the opportunity to show what they can do on other rosters. We already have the talent to be a contender, we just need the motivation and the coaching. I think if we looked to the college ranks, we could address both issues. Offensive and defensive coordinators who have fresh ideas and are excited about the opportunity to coach at the NFL level would have a positive effect for our entire roster.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-20-2006, 03:51 PM
Smith was fine until weinke came. He deserves to make it.

He was doing pretty good I agree but fell off during Delhomme's last couple games as well, missed 2 games at the beginning of the year and dropped a lot of balls when he came back. Id take this season from a WR every year if it was offered but there's a lot of good WRs in the NFL and probably a couple in the NFC who deserve a chance to go over Smith this season. Peppers had a good season too, he just did all the work in the first 8 games

Rucker actually looked good the last few games, I hope we give him another chance before we give some other guys like Morgan their 20th. I think he's an underrated part of our run defense and if we get rid of him it'll fall apart next year unless Jenkins/Kemo and the LBs step it up. DE has become a draft need, though. Just think we have more pressing needs for round 1 and I dont like Adams or Moses that much. I hope we get to see what McClover can do this week and next

I still think we dont need to blow this team up. We've been up and down every year since Fox got here (despite being an improvement over 1-15, the first 7-9 year could have been so much more if we werent using Rodney freaking Peete) and have an easier schedule next year (0-4 against the tough NFC East this year). I think one reason we've lost so many close games is that we cut a lot of leaders and vets last offseason. Getting rid of more isnt going to help unless theyre named Karl Hankton. If Proehl isnt resigned by Indy immediately I go out and get him for next year (cut Colbert), but I doubt our staff would be willing to admit that mistake.

Injuries have been an overlooked downfall to our season just because we're used to having them every year. But think about it. Starting center never plays, starting LT out after one game, using street CBs for 2 games and never having the real Lucas, never having the real Wahle (the shoulder injury has bothered him all season), Smith out the first 2 games, Delhomme gone, Foster/DW both missing time, Diggs out a couple games, Morgan being Morgan, Shaun Williams out a couple games and Rucker now...

It may look real bad right now but so did 1-7 after going to the Super Bowl

JustJoe2k5
12-20-2006, 03:52 PM
I hate to say it guys, but I already in the back of my mind had thought this was the last realistic year of our window with the current configuration of the team. Given how that's worked out, it may be time to start from scratch building for 2008 around Smith, Peppers, Williams, and Davis.

I don't think it will take 2008. A new quarterback, a new left tackle, a new safety, and we're a true contender once again. You should also list Richard Marshall on that list of players to build around. I think he'll be an impact player for us for years to come.

ShutDwn
12-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Fox = total idiot.

I mean, who doesn't love the theory of having nobody ready to step in when Jake is gone? Keep jake, I don't care, but I do care if he is expected to be the qb of the future and we sit idle waiting till someone finally has the ******* guts to break it off with him. Then what do we do?


We need to get someone now, they don't have to replace him right away, but by next year.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-20-2006, 04:04 PM
I like the idea of getting young players to fill all the loose ends, it's not like the ST team can get any worse to begin with. Sure would have been nice to have Jarret Bush when we were using Dion Byrum and Morton...

I'd like a safety and an LB in FA. The LB can be a guy with something to prove since I plan on drafting one too and Morgan is probably back in the mix despite my wishes. Same with safety, McCree had something to prove...Shaun Williams is just an old crony of Fox's

ShutDwn
12-20-2006, 04:17 PM
Get guys who are going to go out and play for respect and to show they deserve to be there. Not guys that you already know and pretty much have told they have the position. Sounds a little like Steve smith?

I want Jarret Bush back, he was one of those guys.

JPF
12-20-2006, 06:36 PM
I hate to say it guys, but I already in the back of my mind had thought this was the last realistic year of our window with the current configuration of the team. Given how that's worked out, it may be time to start from scratch building for 2008 around Smith, Peppers, Williams, and Davis.

I don't think it will take 2008. A new quarterback, a new left tackle, a new safety, and we're a true contender once again.

As well as a mlb that can stay on the field, and a de to replace Rucker whom will probably be cut due to his injury/contract status, and a safety to replace which ever one you think should stay (they both suck), and a return man that runs the right way without fumbling the ball....

This year will be about the draft man. We don't have the caproom to sign anyone that can come in and be much of an immediate impact at all of these positions.

Little chance we fill all those needs in the draft in one year.

You should also list Richard Marshall on that list of players to build around. I think he'll be an impact player for us for years to come.

I forgot all about him. I was in the middle of playing poker and it was my turn so I was rushing to post before it timed out.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-20-2006, 08:38 PM
There will be room. The cap is increasing a pretty substantial amount again, if we really cut Rucker and others theyll make some room and Hurney is pretty good with cap management. I'm not sure who I really want though...only guy I like in positions we need is Ken Hamlin.

JPF
12-20-2006, 08:53 PM
It's not increasing as much as you seem to think. It's increasing about 7 million dollars.

Especially considering we just had at least one player, if not three players hit salary escalators for reaching the Pro Bowl. Peppers alone is 3 mill.

ShutDwn
12-20-2006, 09:01 PM
We should trade Gamble, try and find Jarret Bush, who is with the Packers right now.


Marshall is going to be better than Gamble, he has a much better mentality and he has already almost reached Gamble's level.


I think we should try and get a QB in the first, get a LB like David Harris, who will come in trying to prove people wrong.


We need to bring guys who have a chip on their shoulder, but not a chip as in injury like fox seems to like.

JustJoe2k5
12-21-2006, 12:54 AM
I like the idea of getting young players to fill all the loose ends, it's not like the ST team can get any worse to begin with. Sure would have been nice to have Jarret Bush when we were using Dion Byrum and Morton...

I'd like a safety and an LB in FA. The LB can be a guy with something to prove since I plan on drafting one too and Morgan is probably back in the mix despite my wishes. Same with safety, McCree had something to prove...Shaun Williams is just an old crony of Fox's

I'll agree with you there. I don't understand why we ever let Bush go in the first place, atleast he was someone who has experience in our system and has shown that he can be successful in our system. I really wonder where the heck Dion Byrum came from.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-21-2006, 03:34 AM
I think we should try and get a QB in the first, get a LB like David Harris, who will come in trying to prove people wrong.

I really liked Ryans last year...he slipped because he doesnt have the measurables but the fact was he was a beast in Alabama and had intangibles out the ass. I always look into the intangibles guys because our staff supposedly likes them (I think they just use it as an excuse for draft picks that make no sense because they dont really target them more than anyone else...they just stay away from bad character guys) but I remember Ryans really stood out with some of the stuff he did down there. Some people just wont be denied success and Ryans was one of them. I gotta look more into Harris before grouping him in with those type though. I really, really like Patrick Willis because he seems to have that mix of drive and "IT" factor that players like Marshall and Smith have. DW has IT but he seems a bit too happy go lucky to have the drive...same with Peppers. Biggest plus for Willis is he can play any LB spot, so he can be pencilled in at WLB until Morgan gets injured and then take over MLB. The attitude is why I loved Marshall during the draft and still do. He's not nearly as polished as I thought (which is why he fell to our 2nd pick) but I'm confident that he'll make up for it.

I kind of like how the last few years we took some risks and drafted guys with talent like Davis and Gamble but talent is no longer the problem, it's drive and execution. Time to bring in some smart guys who just want to play and win.

For that very reason the only QB I like this year is Troy Smith. I know you guys like him a lot too and Im not jumping on the bandwagon, he has "IT" and I think the height stuff is BS unless he's like 5'9. Worst case scenario we have a back-up QB who doesnt suck. I think he compares to Jeff Garcia with a better arm. I'm not a big fan of bringing in a failed starter like Carr or Leftwich or a WCO guy like Schaub in FA. Yet, I dont think picking Smith with our Top 15 pick is wise if his draft stock stays the way it is. If we cant trade to get Troy in late round1/early 2 (or if Fox doesnt even consider it like he seems to put off) I'd like to bring in someone who never really got a fair shot like Tim Rattay or Josh McCown. I liked Basanez a lot in preseason actually but his arm looked pretty weak last week so Im guessing hes not a serious option.

I really wish there was a DE in the draft I could get behind but there just isnt, I hope McClover shows up next week and makes us not have to worry about it

ShutDwn
12-21-2006, 05:54 AM
David Harris is kind of the same way as Ryans, who if anyone remembers, I wanted extremely bad last year.

Buster Davis is definitely one of those Ryans type players, but he may have better measurable and just as much intellect. He could, like Ryans fall into the second round.


Willis would probably be the only guy at LB worth taking with out pick most likely in the teens. We could also look at Reggie Nelson if he comes out, or maybe Landry falls?

Troy Smith in the right system can succeed. He has the right stuff. His arm is under rated, his height is over rated, and he is a film rat. He can deffinatley play if he is put into a good system and is allowed to develop. He is like a bigger more athletic Jeff Garcia or Mark Brunell. He kind of looks like Garrard a bit too.

BIG Country
12-21-2006, 10:13 AM
http://www.nflfans.com/x/showthread.php?t=21920

Check this out. It's a complete mock draft for Carolina on one of the best Carolina sites around.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-21-2006, 03:01 PM
He is like a bigger more athletic Jeff Garcia or Mark Brunell.

Ive always liked the Brunell comparison for Smith but every time I use it people get all uppity and think about the no-arm, no-legs guy that played on the Redskins and not the good QB he was on the Jags

I like the way that draft begins and ends B.C. I dont think we go after Milner, in fact I think we're done drafting TEs for a couple years. Gaines looks goofy out there but he's starting to show he can contribute and Jeff King reminds me so much of Mangum its scary. I wish we'd actually draft a blocking TE since thats all we use them for but oh well. Edwards is an intriguing prospect that everyone seems to like a la Kellen Clemens/Jay Cutler but I dont trust our staff with developing a QB. Everything else looks good.

DonWoods33
12-21-2006, 03:49 PM
"We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason." Whispers P.F.W. 12-18-06

What would Panther fans think of this trade? Michael Turner and San Diego's 1ST Round Pick (in the 29 to 32 range), for Carolina's 1ST (10-15) plus a 4TH ROUND Pick. Turner in limited action has shown the ability to run inside and also has some breakaway speed. He's restricted free agent this year.

I will admit I am a Chargers Fan and would like them to get in a position to draft one of the top three safeties available, so I am biased. But Turner has been a very productive player in his limited role, and is a great kickoff returner as well. You still get a first round pick, and a player that might well be a heavy duty, 1200 yard rusher for you all.

ShutDwn
12-21-2006, 04:01 PM
Of course they have given up on a player who has had one hundred yard games every time he is given the chance.

The Saints should forget about Reggie Bush too.

JustJoe2k5
12-21-2006, 04:17 PM
BIG Country, thanks for the link. Although I don't know if I would want to put the future of our quarterback position on someone who has been one major question mark his entire college career.

I think we can find our power runningback in the draft, Tony Hunt would be perfect and we wouldn't need to use our first-round pick on him. DeAngelo Williams IS our future at runningback, don't let any website tell you otherwise.

I still think we should look to address the offensive line before we address any skill positions in the offseason. If we continue to allow defensive ends to rush freely from the quarterback's blind-side, any player we put behind center will be just as vulnerable as Delhomme or Weinke. If we continue to have little to no push at all in the middle of the line, Williams will continue to run into two or three defenders as soon as he receives the hand-off.

JustJoe2k5
12-21-2006, 04:28 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) If you listen to sports talk radio long enough in these parts, you might get convinced that global warming is Dan Henning's fault, too.

Callers line up to take shots at Carolina's offensive coordinator: The Panthers are too conservative. They don't throw deep enough. They don't run enough.

And don't even bring up the draw plays on third-and-long.

``I think he's the same guy who writes down the man laws on that beer commercial,'' one caller said recently of the 65-year-old, white-haired coach.

But Henning still has some fans, and they include his boss and his players.

``I can only tell you that it's the same plays that almost won us a Super Bowl and took us to an NFC championship game,'' Panthers coach John Fox said Thursday. ``So I don't think (the coaching staff) became village idiots overnight.''

But Henning has been called even worse in what has been a hugely disappointing 6-8 season. The Panthers' offense, which was clicking a year ago when they reached the NFC championship game, has fallen flat this year:

- It is averaging only 16.3 points per game, eight fewer than last season.

- It has the worst third-down conversion rate (29.3 percent) in the NFL and had just 45 yards rushing in a loss to the New York Giants two weeks ago, and 43 last week in an embarrassing 37-3 loss to Pittsburgh.

- Steve Smith, who led the league in receiving last season, hasn't had more than 67 yards receiving in the past four games.

``The two toughest positions, in my opinion, in professional sports are quarterback and kicker. They both will kill you,'' wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson said.

``Well, now you can throw in the offensive coordinator. He'll get you killed, too. Everybody points to the kicker missing field goals, the quarterback didn't hit his right reads and the offensive coordinator isn't calling the right plays.''

Henning, in his 28th NFL season and his fifth with Carolina, hasn't had much to work with. Offensive line starters Travelle Wharton, Justin Hartwig and Mike Wahle all are lost to season-ending injuries.

``It's been a big reason for why we've struggled offensively,'' fullback Brad Hoover said. ``I think Dan has done a great job for us. Over the last five years we've been consistent, we're just not executing well enough this year.''

Carolina also has played the past two weeks without quarterback Jake Delhomme, who has a sprained right thumb. Chris Weinke has thrown four interceptions and has been sacked seven times in the past two weeks.

But Henning, a former head coach with Atlanta and San Diego, has received most of the criticism. And the Panthers do run a lot of draws on third-and-long, have often come up with 4-yard pass plays on third-and-7, and can't seem to get Smith more involved.

``When the plays come into the huddle I can understand what he's trying to get done,'' Johnson said. ``I think a lot of times people don't understand that. It could be third-and-4 and they may say, 'Why are they throwing that?' Well, something happened where it triggered the quarterback to have to do that.''

A lot of it stems from a lack of running game due to the banged-up offensive line. The Panthers have thrown the ball 167 more times than they've run it.

For the run-happy Fox, that's not conservative.

``If anything, we haven't been conservative enough,'' Fox said. ``A lot time situations and circumstances tailor it that way.''

Henning, who has declined interview requests since the start of the regular season, still has the confidence of his head coach.

``Our record may indicate it, but I don't think we've become dumb coaches this season,'' Fox said.

That hurts my heart. We may need a new head coach.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-21-2006, 06:28 PM
Eh, if you think about it a lot of the plays that have killed us this year have been the "creative" ones. Ex. the Gamble ST play, Keyshawn throwing the ball, etc. I think he's also referring to Weinke throwing the ball 60 times from shotgun which isnt smart either. The normal playcalling could definitely be less vanilla, but I think that isnt necessarily the same thing as conservative

DW can run between the tackles just fine. He picks up those 3rd and 1s that Foster has never been able to get. We dont really need a power back and if we do get one he will be the back up. I like Turner but we just dont need him. If we bring in anyone it will be an UDFA that falls under the radar like Jon Cornish or Germaine Race. I think the talk of going after a big name power RB is just dumb rumors like the Brady Quinn one. We have bigger problems to take care of anyway

ShutDwn
12-21-2006, 09:14 PM
Eric Shelton did horrible in his limited carries didn't he? Guys, we have a massive back on our team but we haven't even tried him out in game. That is pathetic and tells me they aren't looking for answers.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-21-2006, 09:37 PM
Shelton looked fine but he certainly didnt look like he ran with power. More of Ron Dayne/Shaun Alexander type who's big but slides through holes rather than rams through them

ShutDwn
12-21-2006, 10:01 PM
Shelton looked fine but he certainly didnt look like he ran with power. More of Ron Dayne/Shaun Alexander type who's big but slides through holes rather than rams through them

He seemed to run with a good amount of power. You don't always need the best bruiser, we need better push too. That and less obvious play calling. Play calling will always trump execution.

ny10804
12-22-2006, 10:00 AM
Guys, know that all Packers fans are rooting for you this week.

ShutDwn
12-23-2006, 11:30 AM
http://panthers.scout.com/2/601711.html


That is why people though we would be in the superbowl, look at all that talent.

FirstAndGoal
12-23-2006, 03:09 PM
http://panthers.scout.com/2/601711.html


That is why people though we would be in the superbowl, look at all that talent.
From the first article of 'Pointing the Finger':
Jake Delhomme has more come back from behind wins from 2003-present than any other QB in the NFL during that span. How come the Panthers can score (or could in the past) when they need to? The answer is because Delhomme calls his own plays in the two minute drill -- not Henning.

Why isn't he gone yet?

SchizophrenicBatman
12-23-2006, 04:24 PM
Honestly the three largest problems this year have been

1. Turnover Differential. +19 last year to -9 this year.

2. Playing field position "a punt is not a bad play" when we have one of the worst special teams units in the league outside of Kasay of Baker

3. Bad OL/QB play

JustJoe2k5
12-24-2006, 06:38 PM
This is how we should have used our runningbacks all season.

I really didn't like the fact that the FOX announcers defended Dan Henning with his play-calling today. "Conservative? I wouldn't call taking your quarterback off the field on third down conservative." That's because we never did that play before today.

ShutDwn
12-24-2006, 09:41 PM
This is how we should have used our runningbacks all season.

I really didn't like the fact that the FOX announcers defended Dan Henning with his play-calling today. "Conservative? I wouldn't call taking your quarterback off the field on third down conservative." That's because we never did that play before today.


Taking your QB off the field an running on third and 5 isn't conservative lmao.


That was the most conservative game ever.

JustJoe2k5
12-24-2006, 09:46 PM
This is how we should have used our runningbacks all season.

I really didn't like the fact that the FOX announcers defended Dan Henning with his play-calling today. "Conservative? I wouldn't call taking your quarterback off the field on third down conservative." That's because we never did that play before today.


Taking your QB off the field an running on third and 5 isn't conservative lmao.


That was the most conservative game ever.

Progress was made. Usually, when we aren't able to run the football we still run the football on third and long. Today, we saw what worked and we kept with it. Threw in the trick play with the direct snap and it worked time after time. They should try and play the entire game against New Orleans without a quarterback on the field, perhaps that is the answer to our troubles. :lol:

ShutDwn
12-25-2006, 11:53 AM
This is how we should have used our runningbacks all season.

I really didn't like the fact that the FOX announcers defended Dan Henning with his play-calling today. "Conservative? I wouldn't call taking your quarterback off the field on third down conservative." That's because we never did that play before today.


Taking your QB off the field an running on third and 5 isn't conservative lmao.


That was the most conservative game ever.

Progress was made. Usually, when we aren't able to run the football we still run the football on third and long. Today, we saw what worked and we kept with it. Threw in the trick play with the direct snap and it worked time after time. They should try and play the entire game against New Orleans without a quarterback on the field, perhaps that is the answer to our troubles. :lol:

yeah. But it was Atlanta, and we have done that to them before...

Also, we have two QBs unable to progress off the first WR and too a second option.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-25-2006, 01:11 PM
Fun game to watch, liked the gameplan

I'm still not very happy with how we were 1 score up the whole game and a penalty away from being tied. Atlanta made some adjustments in the 2nd half, we didnt...which has killed us all year. Crossman really needs to be fired and Henning isnt off the hotseat yet. Ill stop the complaining there though since we won and its christmas :D

I hope to see some Baz action next week if Delhomme isnt back!

ShutDwn
12-25-2006, 01:28 PM
a 10-3 win doesn't erase a thirty point loss.

JPF
12-25-2006, 01:44 PM
How sad is the NFC that as lousy as we've played this year that we're still in the playoff hunt?

SchizophrenicBatman
12-25-2006, 03:04 PM
yea we still have a chance

Win vs the Aints
Skins beat the Giants
Bears beat the Packers

JustJoe2k5
12-29-2006, 09:59 AM
I actually like our chances. It is very possible that the Bears and Redskins beat the Packers and Giants. It is also very possible that the Saints will play their backups for most of the game. If we can win, we're in. If we can't defeat the Saints' backups, then we don't belong in the playoffs anyway.

JustJoe2k5
12-29-2006, 01:55 PM
Anyone heard any update on Dan Morgan recently? I would hate to enter next season with him still a question mark. I wouldn't want the team to spend a first-round draft pick on a middle linebacker, just for Morgan to return healthy and our draft pick to hardly see the field. I also wouldn't want the team to neglect the middle linebacker position in the offseason and then Morgan retires or decides to sit the year out during training camp.

At this point, I think Patrick Willis will be our first-round draft pick.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-29-2006, 07:38 PM
The reason Ive been all over Willis is because while he's best fit as a MLB he could probably play outside pretty well too so it works out perfect with our Morgan situation

Realistically, I think the team banks on Morgan coming back AGAIN and ignores the need at LB (going with Anderson and TD outside, resigning Draft and getting another scrub as depth)

SchizophrenicBatman
12-30-2006, 10:29 PM
Well, season is over. I watched the Giants/Skins game and dear god is their defense terrible. How did we lose to them? Oh yea...60 yard Chris Cooley TD when the game should have been over because our safeties suck. : (

I dont really give a **** if we win tomorrow or not. Just want to see some good football played, whether if its Delhomme coming out and proving that he doesnt suck or our 3rd stringers vs the Saints 3rd stringers

saintsfan912
12-31-2006, 04:25 PM
yea we still have a chance

Win vs the Aints
Skins beat the Giants
Bears beat the Packers

Still using that gay ass 'Aints' thing? Wow, give me a break. Our backups almost still beat your starters today, simply pathetic.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-31-2006, 07:07 PM
And when our two teams went head to head earlier in the season in a game that mattered we won. Half our team is backups to begin with because we have the worst medical/conditioning staff in the NFL. The Saints are a nice story and all so have fun talking trash this year because they dont bother me at all. I'll actually be rooting for them to do well in the playoffs because of the feel good story + upholding the rep of the South. If it were the Falcons or Bucs though I'd be rooting for them to get blown out in the first game. Know why? Because they havent been joke teams throughout the history of our "rivalry." And yes I know you've won a few games h2h and even knocked us out of the playoffs a couple times but then again sweeping the series this year didnt do the Panthers much good, did it?

I hope your team makes the most of the playoffs because winning the division wont be this easy next year. You guys got a bright future with Brees, Bush, Deuce and Colston so maybe I wont be dropping the "S" this time next year. Until then though, I'm content with going .500 being a massive disappointment for my team and the Saints winning the division being story of the year for you guys. A little touchy that you're set off by a dumb moniker in a Panthers thread, eh?

ShutDwn
01-01-2007, 12:15 AM
yea we still have a chance

Win vs the Aints
Skins beat the Giants
Bears beat the Packers

Still using that cool ass 'Aints' thing? Wow, give me a break. Our backups almost still beat your starters today, simply pathetic.


Not saying they are better, but the Panthers beat the Saints when both teams were playing their starters.

Oh, and nice job replying to a post that is almost a week old.

JustJoe2k5
01-01-2007, 09:18 AM
My father mentioned our 5-1 division record and I couldn't help but think what's the use for divisions in the NFL. If the Saints with a 4-2 division record can win the division, do we really need a division system? Just a little thought I had.

Look ahead to the draft, where we will be at #14 and likely in the hunt for either a middle linebacker or safety. A guy that has gotten lost in the shuffle recently is Michael Griffin, but if you ever watch a Texas game you will hear his name on nearly 3/4 of the tackles in the game. The guy is literally all over the field for the Longhorns.

JustJoe2k5
01-01-2007, 10:05 AM
NEW ORLEANS -- The Carolina Panthers crossed off two items from their offseason shopping lists Saturday, announcing new three-year contract extensions for running back Nick Goings and right tackle Jeremy Bridges.
Bridges said last Thursday he had agreed to a new deal, and adding Goings to the mix keeps another of the Panthers versatile performers in house for the foreseeable future.

"Nick's a guy who can help you in so many areas," general manager Marty Hurney said Saturday night.

"He's smart, he's tough, he's dependable. He can play special teams, fullback, running back. He's done so much for us over the years.

"We feel really fortunate we were able to keep both of them."

The contracts greatly reduce the Panthers workload when it comes to their free agents.

They're left with nine players eligible for unrestricted free agency, and only three of those are starters: Linebackers Chris Draft and Na'il Diggs and safety Shaun Williams.

Of the remaining six, tackle Todd Fordham is likely finished here and it's extremely unlikely they'd bring cornerback Reggie Howard back after he left the team in midseason to attend to personal matters. Defensive tackle Kindal Moorehead's the best of the rest, with safety Colin Branch, linebacker Vinny Ciurciu and tight end Mike Seidman rounding out the list.

The signings give the Panthers 47 players under contract through 2007 or beyond, indicating that this offseason will be about minor tinkering rather than drastic overhauls.

JustJoe2k5
01-01-2007, 10:07 AM
If Reggie Howard is done here, depth at cornerback will be another need we'll have to address in the draft and free agency. I certainly wouldn't want to finish next season with guys like Christian Morton and Dion Byrum as our starters.

JustJoe2k5
01-01-2007, 02:35 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers middle linebacker Dan Morgan said Monday he's been cleared to return to football next season despite multiple concussions.

Morgan suffered at least the fifth concussion of his career in the season opener against Atlanta and missed the rest of the season, putting his playing career in jeopardy.

But Morgan said he was in Pittsburgh last week, where he took numerous tests and a team of physicians led by concussion expert Dr. Mickey Collins gave him the OK to begin playing again during minicamps in the spring. Collins recommended in October that Morgan not return this season.

"It was real exciting. That was a great Christmas present, a late Christmas present," Morgan said Monday after the Panthers' final team meeting. "I felt great. I felt I was going to do real well and I went up there and did real well on all my testing. It ended up good. They cleared me and it felt like a weight was lifted off my shoulders."

Morgan, the Panthers' first-round pick in 2001, suffered his first concussion as a pro in 2003. He missed four more games in 2004 with another concussion. He then suffered one in the preseason and another in the loss to Atlanta in Week 1 this year.

Studies have shown players with multiple concussions are more likely to suffer more concussions with less contact, so there were questions that Morgan may not be able to return again -- joining players such as Troy Aikman and Steve Young who had their careers cut short by multiple concussions.

But Morgan claims he's not hesitant about returning.

"Not at all. I feel fine and from the outside people are always going to draw their own conclusions about how I feel and what happened," Morgan said. "But I feel great. I've had a lot of time to heal up. I feel ready to play and I'm excited to come back next season."

The Panthers could desperately use a healthy Morgan. Carolina ended a disappointing 8-8 season Sunday that was filled with numerous injuries to key players. Chris Draft eventually replaced Morgan, but the entire linebackers unit struggled.

"It's been real difficult, especially when you want to be out there helping your team," Morgan said. "Seeing them struggle was hard, too. There's always next year and I'm going to come back next year better than ever."

The Panthers signed him to a five-year, $28 million contract before the 2005 season, a move criticized by many because of Morgan's history of injuries. He's missed 40 games in his six-year career.

The Panthers also had so much money tied to Morgan they let fellow linebacker Will Witherspoon leave via free agency to St. Louis last offseason.

But getting Morgan cleared was a bit of good news for Carolina as players packed up their belongings and headed home after a brief team meeting.

"It was the first thing I asked him and he said, 'Yes I'm cleared,"' safety Mike Minter said. "That's the greatest thing, seeing him healthy and being able to come back and play."

As Morgan left the stadium with a trash bag full of gear, he sounded confident he'd prove wrong critics who question whether he'll be able to stay on the field next season.

"They feel I'm healed up and I'm ready to go," Morgan said. "Obviously if they felt I would go out there and hurt myself they wouldn't have cleared me. I feel great. It's nothing that I'm worried about and I'm excited to get out there next year."

Looks like middle linebacker can be crossed off the list as a first-round need. It's sad, Dan Morgan has all the talent to be on the level of Brian Urlacher but he just can't seem to stay on the field for a complete season. Hopefully, his return will solidify our choice of a safety in the first round. We could use help at nearly every position on defense, but I don't think any position is more glaring of a weakness than safety.

saintsfan912
01-01-2007, 03:27 PM
And when our two teams went head to head earlier in the season in a game that mattered we won. Half our team is backups to begin with because we have the worst medical/conditioning staff in the NFL. The Saints are a nice story and all so have fun talking trash this year because they dont bother me at all. I'll actually be rooting for them to do well in the playoffs because of the feel good story + upholding the rep of the South. If it were the Falcons or Bucs though I'd be rooting for them to get blown out in the first game. Know why? Because they havent been joke teams throughout the history of our "rivalry." And yes I know you've won a few games h2h and even knocked us out of the playoffs a couple times but then again sweeping the series this year didnt do the Panthers much good, did it?

I hope your team makes the most of the playoffs because winning the division wont be this easy next year. You guys got a bright future with Brees, Bush, Deuce and Colston so maybe I wont be dropping the "S" this time next year. Until then though, I'm content with going .500 being a massive disappointment for my team and the Saints winning the division being story of the year for you guys. A little touchy that you're set off by a dumb moniker in a Panthers thread, eh?

Its just old when people use that gay crap. Its all over the ESPN boards and it just gets old. But with Carolina, I am a huge Panther fan, just some of their fans are jackasses. (I like Caroina anytime they arent playing my Saints of course) I am like you, I hate Atlanta and Tampa and wish blowouts of them every week of the season. And why in the hell did they fire Mora, Vick is the one that should go. I know he sells tickets, electric player and everything but hes not a QB.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-01-2007, 05:30 PM
Vick causes major problems for us whenever we play so I cant really agree there but I wouldnt have minded them keeping Mora since they were going nowhere with him as coach and Vick as QB. No hard feelings on that crap and I agree that using "Aints" is stupid but ah well. It was just kinda weird how you came in here looking for an argument.

I dont see how we have that many jackass fans...we have a bunch of bandwagoners every now and then but other than that most of our fans seem pretty mild mannered. Almost too mild if you ask me. If you ever go to a game at BoA you wont get much crap as an away team fan. Just like every team there's some jackasses, but I wouldnt say any more than normal.

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On Morgan, I wish we could restructure his contract like the Jets did with Pennington. We still need an OLB for next year but I bet the staff is going to splooge all over Anderson running over the Saints' third stringers in blitz packages and ignore how lost he looked in coverage and zone. I still want Willis but if they bank on Morgan (and they will) Desmond Bishop, or Harris, or whoever could be good depth if we let Draft go in FA. I like Tony Taylor as a midround pick for the outside too.

For some reason I dont see John Fox drafting a safety at pick #14 but I was a little skeptical he'd go RB in the first round too. I'm fine with us taking just about anything in round 1 besides a DE. McClover and Wallace look pretty good and a run stuffer could be picked up cheap in FA or late in the draft. Hell, Damione Lewis could play some DE too. Wouldnt mind Rucker back for another year or two but it looks like he's getting Muhammad'D this year

JustJoe2k5
01-01-2007, 05:54 PM
Another mid-round option would be Anthony Waters. He'll drop due to his injury this season, but he has the talent to be drafted in the first two rounds of the draft. Also, it can't hurt that he is a local product from Clemson.

I think the key will be to keep Chris Draft. If Dan Morgan is able to stay healthy, I'll take Draft at outside linebacker over the other options we have on the roster. The veteran presence will only help the development of both James Anderson and Thomas Davis. I think Anderson has alot of potential to develop into a solid Will Witherspoon-like linebacker for our team.

If that is the direction we choose to take, that would leave atleast the first two rounds open to address other positions. Future at quarterback, offensive line, cornerback, and safety seem to be the biggest weaknesses in my opinion.

We need a future at quarterback, without question. The only question is where do we look? JaMarcus Russell has the physical characteristics, but not the intangibles. Troy Smith has the intangibles, but not the physical characteristics. Drew Stanton has led his team to some great comebacks, but has also led them to great implosions. Kevin Kolb has the statistics, but he has played in a shotgun offense his entire football career. Every possible prospect has major question marks that will need to be answered.

Left Tackle - Travelle Wharton
Left Guard - Mike Wahle
Center - Justin Hartwig
Right Guard - Jeremy Bridges
Right Tackle - Jordan Gross

Pretty solid offensive line if everyone can remain healthy. Although with Bridges' performance at right tackle, Wharton could possibly move to guard and Gross would be kept at left tackle. Depth is needed regardless, especially at guard and left tackle. If injuries strike again, we don't need to have to re-model our entire offensive line every game.

Problems at cornerback are mainly with depth. I feel Richard Marshall will be prepared to start next year with Ken Lucas, Chris Gamble will take his much-deserved spot as #3 on the depth chart. Behind them, we shouldn't need to sign rookie free agents throughout the week just to fill the roster. We need to have some talented depth on the roster and draft some players that actually have potential to develop with the team.

It's just about time to put Mike Minter out to pasture, Shaun Williams is already there. We need some speed, physicality, and attitude in the secondary. A player like Michael Griffin or Reggie Nelson would be perfect.

ShutDwn
01-03-2007, 02:31 PM
Rumors about John Fox and the Giants if the Giants lose.


I hope we get a real disciplinarian in here. (Mangini/Belichek) style.

JustJoe2k5
01-03-2007, 02:57 PM
That would be a surprising move and a scary one. Scary because we would likely be stuck with either Henning or Trgovac as our head coach for a year. I wouldn't be shocked if Wake Forest's coach is the first guy we target. Personally, I would want Louisville's head coach if we hired anybody.

ShutDwn
01-03-2007, 03:16 PM
That would be a surprising move and a scary one. Scary because we would likely be stuck with either Henning or Trgovac as our head coach for a year. I wouldn't be shocked if Wake Forest's coach is the first guy we target. Personally, I would want Louisville's head coach if we hired anybody.

Rumors are we trade? I didn't know you trade coaches haha.

Part of the rumor is that the DC of the Bears was talking to Hurney.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-03-2007, 04:44 PM
Wake's season was a massive fluke partially fueled by Jon Abbate's brother's death and partially by luck (close games vs NC State and Duke?). If we hire Jim Grobe we would suck for years. Abbate is the type of guy you love to have on your team though.

I wouldnt mind Ron Rivera and some extra draft picks but I'd much rather keep Fox until he's proved he's worth firing.

Bill Cowher had a stretch of 3 seasons that the Steelers missed the playoffs and also went 6-10 in 2003 before 15-1 in 04 and a SB in 05. He also might be available in a couple years since his family lives in Raleigh. I hope Hurney/the Richardsons do everything in their power to keep Fox but I like that they may have a back up plan in Rivera already in place.

ShutDwn
01-03-2007, 05:02 PM
Wake's season was a massive fluke partially fueled by Jon Abbate's brother's death and partially by luck (close games vs NC State and Duke?). If we hire Jim Grobe we would suck for years. Abbate is the type of guy you love to have on your team though.

I wouldnt mind Ron Rivera and some extra draft picks but I'd much rather keep Fox until he's proved he's worth firing.

Bill Cowher had a stretch of 3 seasons that the Steelers missed the playoffs and also went 6-10 in 2003 before 15-1 in 04 and a SB in 05. He also might be available in a couple years since his family lives in Raleigh. I hope Hurney/the Richardsons do everything in their power to keep Fox but I like that they may have a back up plan in Rivera already in place.

He is obviously not going to take us anywhere. He doesn't have the balls to do anything and hr is letting this team die.

JustJoe2k5
01-03-2007, 11:48 PM
Where did you hear that rumor ShutDwn? Couldn't we get in some type of trouble if we talked to the Bears' defensive coordinator while they were still playing? Tampering?

I wouldn't be against the move. I also wouldn't be against JaMarcus Russell in the first round after his performance tonight. Size, speed, hell of an arm, potential, exactly what we need for the future.

JPF
01-04-2007, 09:45 AM
I heard the rumor about Rivera as well. I wouldn't read too much into it. Saw something in an article about it where it was just lunch between him and a Panther official that he knew for a while now.

Either way, couldn't get in trouble for it if we had permission from the Bears and it was done during their bye week.

JustJoe2k5
01-04-2007, 09:57 AM
If a change were made, another need would form at wide receiver. Keyshawn Johnson said he would retire if their was a coaching change, so now we would have to look for another #2 option either in the draft or in free agency.

JustJoe2k5
01-07-2007, 05:53 PM
The window the Carolina Panthers were trying to jump through somehow closed.

But that begs the question: Did they hit a screen or double-plated glass?

The team that was supposed to go to the Super Bowl did not. The Panthers didn't even make the playoffs, finishing 8-8. You can say there's always next season, but that's not necessarily true.

Key players are getting older, there will be difficult salary-cap decisions and the 2006 season exposed holes the Panthers didn't know existed.

There still is a core that features receiver Steve Smith and defensive end Julius Peppers, who just might be the best in the NFL at their respective positions.

But it remains to be seen if the Super Bowl dreams are over for good or just were postponed for a year.

Here are 10 questions the Panthers need to answer if they're going to bounce back in 2007.

Q. What unit needs to improve the most? The offensive line. With left tackle Travelle Wharton getting injured in the season opener and center Justin Hartwig able to play in only two games, the Panthers had to shuffle their offensive line and the results weren't pretty. The unit's struggles took their toll on the rest of the offense.

Quarterback Jake Delhomme was forced into mistakes and the running game never operated with any consistency.

However, there is reason for hope. If Wharton and Hartwig can get healthy, Jordan Gross can play his natural right tackle position and Geoff Hangartner can challenge Evan Mathis at right guard. Mike Wahle needs to get healthy, but he's a solid left guard.

Jeremey Bridges, who was brought in after the season started, showed some promise as a tackle and also can play guard. It might be tempting to think getting the injured guys back will be enough. But the Panthers can't stop there. They need to add at least one more quality lineman to guard against last season's problems. Drafting a left tackle in the first round isn't out of the question.

Q. Even if the offensive line improves, do the Panthers have the running backs to give them a strong rushing game? Yes, but some things need to be changed. DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster are talented running backs. But the coaching staff needs to realize they aren't Stephen Davis, who could pound away between the tackles.

Williams and Foster can't do that. They're speed backs, who need to run outside at times and be part of the passing game to take advantage of their ability to make things happen in the open field.

Q. Anything else the Panthers can do to spice up a passing game that relies almost entirely on Smith? Yes, how about a pass-catching tight end. Sure, the Panthers needed their tight ends to help the offensive line block. But improvement on the line could free up the tight ends.

Kris Mangum is getting older and Michael Gaines hasn't shown he can be consistent enough. The Panthers tried to boost this position with Freddie Jones a few years ago, but he retired. They also thought Mike Seidman could be a complete tight end, but that hasn't worked out. It's time to go out and get a pass catcher to give Delhomme a solid safety valve.

Q. Is Delhomme still viewed as the quarterback for the long term? Yes, the coaches and front office weren't delighted by his play, but the belief is it was a result of the problems on the offensive line and the inability to run the ball consistently. Delhomme made the Pro Bowl and took the Panthers to the NFC Championship Game in the 2005 season, and his skills haven't diminished. Still, the Panthers would be wise to look for a quarterback who can provide a reasonable alternative if Delhomme struggles again. A team with Super Bowl hopes isn't going to draft a quarterback early, because it takes too long to develop. But a free agent with some experience is a good possibility.

Q. Speaking of free agents, who's not under contract for next season? This is a bright spot. The Panthers don't have any crucial players scheduled to become free agents. Their unrestricted free agents are linebacker Chris Draft, safety Shaun Williams, Seidman, safety Colin Branch, linebacker Na'il Diggs, tackle Todd Fordham, linebacker Vinny Ciurciu and defensive tackle Kindal Moorehead. The restricted free agents are Gaines, defensive tackle Jordan Carstens and receiver Drew Carter. Draft might be the best of the unrestricted players, but he'd be better off in a backup role.

Q. Is Dan Morgan ready to step back in for Draft in the middle? That remains to be seen. Morgan has been medically cleared to play next season after having problems with multiple concussions. But Morgan is expensive and risky. He's a great player when healthy, but the Panthers no longer can afford to count on him as a defensive cornerstone. It's likely the Panthers will try to restructure Morgan's contract to lessen the cap hit, and anything they get out of him will be viewed as a bonus.

It's time to invest a first-round draft pick or some serious free agent cash in a middle linebacker.

Q. How are the Panthers going to be players in free agency when they don't have a lot of salary-cap room? They presently rank near the bottom of the league in cap space for 2007, but there are ways around that. They can reduce Peppers' $15 million cap figure and Delhomme's $10 million cap figure significantly by restructuring their contracts. In Peppers' case, they might try to extend his contract, because it's to expire after the 2008 season. There are several other contracts that can be restructured.

Q. Any veterans who could be salary-cap casualties? There are several possibilities. The Panthers could just release Morgan if they believe he won't be a big factor. Defensive end Mike Rucker, cornerback Ken Lucas, defensive tackles Maake Kemoeatu and Kris Jenkins and safety Mike Minter all have considerable cap figures.

Some of those players will restructure, but others could be released.

Q. What are the biggest draft needs? These could change as free agency plays out. But, right now, middle linebacker, offensive tackle and safety are at the top of the list.

Q. Anything else on the wish list? A return specialist. Kickoff and punt returns were a sore spot. The Panthers need to find someone who can handle both, because Williams will take on a bigger role as a running back next season and Smith has enough duties as a receiver.

Getting a speedster who can give the offense good field position could help almost as much as patching up the offensive line.

Really nice write-up, I agree with just about every point he makes.

I think Kris Jenkins, Maake Kemoeatu, and Mike Rucker could all possibly be released. Personally, I felt that Damione Lewis was our best defensive tackle this season even in his limited play. I also think that Jordan Carstens could make an impact on the interior if we gave him more playing time. I also think Al Wallace could be just as effective on the opposite side of Julius Peppers as Rucker currently is. I also like the potential we have in Stanley McClover.

ShutDwn
01-07-2007, 06:31 PM
The window the Carolina Panthers were trying to jump through somehow closed.

But that begs the question: Did they hit a screen or double-plated glass?

The team that was supposed to go to the Super Bowl did not. The Panthers didn't even make the playoffs, finishing 8-8. You can say there's always next season, but that's not necessarily true.

Key players are getting older, there will be difficult salary-cap decisions and the 2006 season exposed holes the Panthers didn't know existed.

There still is a core that features receiver Steve Smith and defensive end Julius Peppers, who just might be the best in the NFL at their respective positions.

But it remains to be seen if the Super Bowl dreams are over for good or just were postponed for a year.

Here are 10 questions the Panthers need to answer if they're going to bounce back in 2007.

Q. What unit needs to improve the most? The offensive line. With left tackle Travelle Wharton getting injured in the season opener and center Justin Hartwig able to play in only two games, the Panthers had to shuffle their offensive line and the results weren't pretty. The unit's struggles took their toll on the rest of the offense.

Quarterback Jake Delhomme was forced into mistakes and the running game never operated with any consistency.

However, there is reason for hope. If Wharton and Hartwig can get healthy, Jordan Gross can play his natural right tackle position and Geoff Hangartner can challenge Evan Mathis at right guard. Mike Wahle needs to get healthy, but he's a solid left guard.

Jeremey Bridges, who was brought in after the season started, showed some promise as a tackle and also can play guard. It might be tempting to think getting the injured guys back will be enough. But the Panthers can't stop there. They need to add at least one more quality lineman to guard against last season's problems. Drafting a left tackle in the first round isn't out of the question.

Q. Even if the offensive line improves, do the Panthers have the running backs to give them a strong rushing game? Yes, but some things need to be changed. DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster are talented running backs. But the coaching staff needs to realize they aren't Stephen Davis, who could pound away between the tackles.

Williams and Foster can't do that. They're speed backs, who need to run outside at times and be part of the passing game to take advantage of their ability to make things happen in the open field.

Q. Anything else the Panthers can do to spice up a passing game that relies almost entirely on Smith? Yes, how about a pass-catching tight end. Sure, the Panthers needed their tight ends to help the offensive line block. But improvement on the line could free up the tight ends.

Kris Mangum is getting older and Michael Gaines hasn't shown he can be consistent enough. The Panthers tried to boost this position with Freddie Jones a few years ago, but he retired. They also thought Mike Seidman could be a complete tight end, but that hasn't worked out. It's time to go out and get a pass catcher to give Delhomme a solid safety valve.

Q. Is Delhomme still viewed as the quarterback for the long term? Yes, the coaches and front office weren't delighted by his play, but the belief is it was a result of the problems on the offensive line and the inability to run the ball consistently. Delhomme made the Pro Bowl and took the Panthers to the NFC Championship Game in the 2005 season, and his skills haven't diminished. Still, the Panthers would be wise to look for a quarterback who can provide a reasonable alternative if Delhomme struggles again. A team with Super Bowl hopes isn't going to draft a quarterback early, because it takes too long to develop. But a free agent with some experience is a good possibility.

Q. Speaking of free agents, who's not under contract for next season? This is a bright spot. The Panthers don't have any crucial players scheduled to become free agents. Their unrestricted free agents are linebacker Chris Draft, safety Shaun Williams, Seidman, safety Colin Branch, linebacker Na'il Diggs, tackle Todd Fordham, linebacker Vinny Ciurciu and defensive tackle Kindal Moorehead. The restricted free agents are Gaines, defensive tackle Jordan Carstens and receiver Drew Carter. Draft might be the best of the unrestricted players, but he'd be better off in a backup role.

Q. Is Dan Morgan ready to step back in for Draft in the middle? That remains to be seen. Morgan has been medically cleared to play next season after having problems with multiple concussions. But Morgan is expensive and risky. He's a great player when healthy, but the Panthers no longer can afford to count on him as a defensive cornerstone. It's likely the Panthers will try to restructure Morgan's contract to lessen the cap hit, and anything they get out of him will be viewed as a bonus.

It's time to invest a first-round draft pick or some serious free agent cash in a middle linebacker.

Q. How are the Panthers going to be players in free agency when they don't have a lot of salary-cap room? They presently rank near the bottom of the league in cap space for 2007, but there are ways around that. They can reduce Peppers' $15 million cap figure and Delhomme's $10 million cap figure significantly by restructuring their contracts. In Peppers' case, they might try to extend his contract, because it's to expire after the 2008 season. There are several other contracts that can be restructured.

Q. Any veterans who could be salary-cap casualties? There are several possibilities. The Panthers could just release Morgan if they believe he won't be a big factor. Defensive end Mike Rucker, cornerback Ken Lucas, defensive tackles Maake Kemoeatu and Kris Jenkins and safety Mike Minter all have considerable cap figures.

Some of those players will restructure, but others could be released.

Q. What are the biggest draft needs? These could change as free agency plays out. But, right now, middle linebacker, offensive tackle and safety are at the top of the list.

Q. Anything else on the wish list? A return specialist. Kickoff and punt returns were a sore spot. The Panthers need to find someone who can handle both, because Williams will take on a bigger role as a running back next season and Smith has enough duties as a receiver.

Getting a speedster who can give the offense good field position could help almost as much as patching up the offensive line.

Really nice write-up, I agree with just about every point he makes.

I think Kris Jenkins, Maake Kemoeatu, and Mike Rucker could all possibly be released. Personally, I felt that Damione Lewis was our best defensive tackle this season even in his limited play. I also think that Jordan Carstens could make an impact on the interior if we gave him more playing time. I also think Al Wallace could be just as effective on the opposite side of Julius Peppers as Rucker currently is. I also like the potential we have in Stanley McClover.

Dude, we can't release Kemo, we would take a massive cap hit.

Maybe fox should try and draft a QB with NFL potential early before talking about how they take to long to develop. Oh, and how about trying to at least prepare one for the future. Our future is as good as our back up QB right now, which means our future is nothing.

JustJoe2k5
01-07-2007, 07:14 PM
There isn't any way we could avoid his cap hit? Could we trade him? From how he played this season, he certainly isn't worth the type of money we paid for him. I think the cheap duo of Jordan Carstens and Kindal Moorehead could be just as effective as Kemoeatu was.

JPF
01-07-2007, 11:20 PM
No, if we traded him we'd still take the same cap hit.

BIG Country
01-08-2007, 02:17 PM
Ok, Kemo has a huge contract. You can avoid the cap hit. It's not possible. The cap hit comes from the signing bonus money. This money is given upfront but only counts against the cap a certain % each year of the contract. If the player is released or traded the remaining amount is prorated to the next year's salary cap. Jenkins just made the Pro Bowl. Yes he was a little overweight this season but give him this offseason to get down to 335. Rucker is the only one who may be gone. He has a high cap figure (but a low cap hit if cut), is in the last year of his contract, is getting old, and had a major knee injury. Give Stanley McClover a chance. Showed great promise at Auburn and took some bad advice and came out too soon.

ShutDwn
01-08-2007, 03:32 PM
He is kind of small right now, maybe he can bulk up a little more.

JPF
01-08-2007, 04:06 PM
Ok, Kemo has a huge contract. You can avoid the cap hit. It's not possible. The cap hit comes from the signing bonus money. This money is given upfront but only counts against the cap a certain % each year of the contract. If the player is released or traded the remaining amount is prorated to the next year's salary cap. Jenkins just made the Pro Bowl. Yes he was a little overweight this season but give him this offseason to get down to 335. Rucker is the only one who may be gone. He has a high cap figure (but a low cap hit if cut), is in the last year of his contract, is getting old, and had a major knee injury. Give Stanley McClover a chance. Showed great promise at Auburn and took some bad advice and came out too soon.

I believe you mean that the remaining amount is accelerated against the next years cap.

It's prorated out over the total years of the contract unless it's accelerated due to the player being released/traded. Seems like you just used the wrong term.

pantherzfan28
01-08-2007, 04:44 PM
does anybody should come back to his home town of charlotte and be drafted by the panthers

JustJoe2k5
01-08-2007, 05:26 PM
does anybody should come back to his home town of charlotte and be drafted by the panthers

As an undrafted free agent, I certainly would welcome him to Carolina. He'll get as much of an opportunity as our other young quarterbacks.

ShutDwn
01-08-2007, 05:31 PM
does anybody should come back to his home town of charlotte and be drafted by the panthers

As an undrafted free agent, I certainly would welcome him to Carolina. He'll get as much of an opportunity as our other young quarterbacks.

woah, you understood that? Is he talking about Chris Leak?

I wouldn't mind him, we'll see how he does.

JustJoe2k5
01-08-2007, 06:23 PM
does anybody should come back to his home town of charlotte and be drafted by the panthers

As an undrafted free agent, I certainly would welcome him to Carolina. He'll get as much of an opportunity as our other young quarterbacks.

woah, you understood that? Is he talking about Chris Leak?

I wouldn't mind him, we'll see how he does.

Yeah, I didn't know either until I glanced at the insanely small Subject bar at the top of his post and saw Chris Leak's name. I just don't see any NFL potential in Leak.

JPF
01-08-2007, 08:19 PM
Perhaps in a WCO he could succeed, but other than that I don't see it.

BlindSite
01-08-2007, 08:30 PM
The defense doesn't need to cut Jenkins, Maake or Lucas, all three are very good players who (jenkins and Lucas) were either injured or getting over long term injuries.

Maake is in his first year with the guys around him and made some good plays for us this year.
The problem with the defense was the amount of time they were on the field, not necessarily their play.

At linebacker we need to bring draft back and bring in someone new. At QB we should take a long hard look at someone like Kolb who could very really be a long term answer at the end of this window.

JPF
01-08-2007, 09:47 PM
Not to mention that the caphits from those players would eat up what little cap room we will have this offseason.

Safety is a position we need to upgrade.

JustJoe2k5
01-08-2007, 11:04 PM
I know Reggie Nelson has gotten all the recent publicity, but I still feel that Michael Griffin is the best all-around safety in this draft. Just watch any Texas game and Griffin is all over the field.

BlindSite
01-09-2007, 01:22 AM
I think Landry and Nelson are a little bit more like Chris Hope, Ed Reed, maybe a bit of Shaun Taylor, and Griffin is a little more like Polamalu and Adrian Wilson.

I'm sick of safeties that cannot cover worth a damn, we need someone like Nelson or Landry.

JPF
01-09-2007, 07:24 AM
So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

BIG Country
01-09-2007, 08:35 AM
[quote="JPFI believe you mean that the remaining amount is accelerated against the next years cap.
It's prorated out over the total years of the contract unless it's accelerated due to the player being released/traded. Seems like you just used the wrong term.[/quote]

You're right, I was thinking about the bonus being prorated throughout the life of the contract and I had that term stuck in my head.

As far as Leak goes.....I'm a huge Leak supporter. I have been ever since I saw him play in HS. The thing with Chris and this was evident last night is that he lack of height is going to hinder him. He was almost forced to throw a jump pass several times in order to get it over the line. He also has average arm strength. On several of the out routes, the ball seemed to float and he's lucky it wasn't picked. I'm not knocking his game, he led that team to the National Championship but I just don't see it translating well into the pros. Another thing with Chris, and this goes back to his HS days, is that when you put pressure in his face, he struggles. I was confused as to why OSU kept rushing just 8. When he can stand back there, he will pick you apart. Send a lot of pressure and (this has a lot to do with MAYBE being 6') he can't see his receivers and he can't move up in the pocket because he can't see over the line. Chris was a great HS and college QB but I don't see him doing well in the NFL. I hope he proves me wrong though.

FirstAndGoal
01-09-2007, 03:34 PM
So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

I think it is some of both. We don't need our TE to catch passes in the system we have, but it would be a nice option if we had a good TE reciever. The Panthers have not seemed desperate to get a recieving TE in the offseason, but we have looked at a couple guys like Freddie Jones in free agency and we have drafted TEs in the later rounds. The team seems to view it as a luxury, not a need.

But one person I would look at is new englad's daniel graham. NE has their tight end of the future in ben watson and probably won't spend the money to keep graham. he certainly wont be a star TE, but certainly an upgrade from who we have now.

ShutDwn
01-09-2007, 03:41 PM
So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

I think it is some of both. We don't need our TE to catch passes in the system we have, but it would be a nice option if we had a good TE reciever. The Panthers have not seemed desperate to get a recieving TE in the offseason, but we have looked at a couple guys like Freddie Jones in free agency and we have drafted TEs in the later rounds. The team seems to view it as a luxury, not a need.

But one person I would look at is new englad's daniel graham. NE has their tight end of the future in ben watson and probably won't spend the money to keep graham. he certainly wont be a star TE, but certainly an upgrade from who we have now.


We did have Wiggins, and he caught how many passes?

Wiggins could be a FA this year though.

pantherzfan28
01-09-2007, 04:43 PM
i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

ShutDwn
01-09-2007, 05:13 PM
i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Leak isn't going to be a good NFL QB, he doesn't have a strong enough arm and he can't read defenses.

JPF
01-09-2007, 08:16 PM
So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

I think it is some of both. We don't need our TE to catch passes in the system we have, but it would be a nice option if we had a good TE reciever. The Panthers have not seemed desperate to get a recieving TE in the offseason, but we have looked at a couple guys like Freddie Jones in free agency and we have drafted TEs in the later rounds. The team seems to view it as a luxury, not a need.

But one person I would look at is new englad's daniel graham. NE has their tight end of the future in ben watson and probably won't spend the money to keep graham. he certainly wont be a star TE, but certainly an upgrade from who we have now.

It's more the system than anything. We keep our TE's in to block on about 70% of passing plays.

We signed Freddie Jones, he retired not long after being signed. Fox said in the press conference announcing we'd signed him that he'd have to pick up his blocking if he wanted playing time.

We had Jermaine Wiggins and anyone hardly knew he was here until he had ONE big play in a playoff game.

The late round guys we've taken, well, that's where teams usually take blocking TE's. Which, there's nothing to say that the guys we've taken under Fox are anything more than that.

As for Daniel Graham, he's a name I keep looking at hoping we'll go after, but I'm not counting on it.

BlindSite
01-09-2007, 09:18 PM
I still say Kolb in the third should be our target.

d-dave
01-10-2007, 07:10 AM
How can you guys count out Basanez? The Baz-Man?!

I kid, I kid. Though I do think he could be developed into a quality QB.

I do like a lot about many of the young QB prospects comming out. I don't think Leak has it, but he could turn out to be pretty good because he's a smart cookie.

I watched most of Kolb's bowl game, and he reminded me of a younger, more accurate Jake, which I could really go for. At the same time, the Panthers have a lot of holes unless we get some picks via trade or RFAs, we need to address other areas than QB right now.

BIG Country
01-10-2007, 09:35 AM
i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Drew Brees is 6'. Chris Leak is 5'10-5'11 at the most, same with Troy Smith. Brees also has a stronger arm than Leak and is more mobile.

jbombul
01-10-2007, 10:12 AM
i just did a mock draft and i had you guys trade down with the giants and pick up a 3rd rounder and a 4th next year. I had you pick Poz at 20 to play middle linebacker and in the second round i had you guys take troy smith.... any thoughts?

ShutDwn
01-10-2007, 02:00 PM
i just did a mock draft and i had you guys trade down with the giants and pick up a 3rd rounder and a 4th next year. I had you pick Poz at 20 to play middle linebacker and in the second round i had you guys take troy smith.... any thoughts?

Third and fourth rounders next year don't help us. Poz is over rated, we need a playmaker at S more than anything. Draft is fine if we have to go to him. We can draft a guy in the second or third. David Harris is a great run stuffer.

JustJoe2k5
01-10-2007, 03:19 PM
The only linebacker I would want in the first round would be Patrick Willis. He seems to fit the same type of mold as a Dan Morgan. He is all over the field and involved in every tackle.

ShutDwn
01-10-2007, 03:58 PM
So, a WR I really like in the later rounds is Andre Caldwell. I think if we could get a new system in here he would be perfect in an offense that spreads it out and lets the WRs run.

We have the perfect backs for a spread offense.

If we do get a new coordinator, which is unlikely, we will need another young WR to come in and help cause Keyshawn will be gone too.

Colbert would do well in that offense too.

pantherzfan28
01-10-2007, 07:01 PM
i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Drew Brees is 6'. Chris Leak is 5'10-5'11 at the most, same with Troy Smith. Brees also has a stronger arm than Leak and is more mobile.

espn.com says they all are 6' if leak isnt good enough what about troy smith we cant wait much longer to get a solid qb who knows how long delhomme will be there

pantherzfan28
01-10-2007, 07:03 PM
i also wouldnt mind brian brohm

ShutDwn
01-10-2007, 08:19 PM
i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Drew Brees is 6'. Chris Leak is 5'10-5'11 at the most, same with Troy Smith. Brees also has a stronger arm than Leak and is more mobile.

espn.com says they all are 6' if leak isnt good enough what about troy smith we cant wait much longer to get a solid qb who knows how long delhomme will be there

College's tend to lie about those things. You can bet that those are one or two inches off. Smith played in a pro style offense, and has a much better arm, so he has a better chance to do anything

JustJoe2k5
01-11-2007, 06:58 AM
Of Chris Leak and Troy Smith, I believe Smith has the better chance to become a player at the NFL level. While I was disappointed in his performance in the Championship Game, Smith would be one of the last people to blame for the loss. Is he the player for the Panthers? I don't know. The more I read and hear about Trent Edwards out of Stanford, the more I think he would be a great option in the third or fourth round. Personally, I wouldn't use our first-day draft picks on a quarterback who will ride the bench for most of next season. As deep as this draft is at linebacker, we could draft a safety in the first round and a linebacker in the second round and both could start as early as the first game of the season.

JustJoe2k5
01-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Just heard on the radio that we signed WR Chris Horn to a two-year contract. I wonder if this is our answer to our trouble on special teams?

JPF
01-11-2007, 01:39 PM
I don't know that I'd read too much into it.

Chris Horn has a total of 7 kick returns for 75 yards, and 17 special teams tackles in his career.

4pAc
01-14-2007, 03:07 AM
so what would be better for the panthers, a S or MLB in the 1st? Which players should be put on the trade block, and which players should the panthers trade for?

JustJoe2k5
01-14-2007, 06:55 AM
Safety would probably be the #1 priority. We mainly need insurance at middle linebacker, whereas at safety Shaun Williams probably won't be back next season and we'll need a starter. Middle linebacker and quarterback could be addressed in the second or third round.

As far as players on the trade block, atleast for the fantasy mock draft:

DeShaun Foster
Keary Colbert
Mike Rucker
Chris Gamble (It IS fantasy. :))
Shaun Williams (If you can get a ham sandwich for him, consider it a steal.)

Not really sure who you should look to acquire. If someone offers a talented defensive end, that would be considered due to the age of both Al Wallace and Mike Rucker. Perhaps a talented #4 wide receiver, either someone who could be a red-zone target or someone who has great speed. An all-around tight end, we don't need a playmaker just someone who can make the catches when needed, Daniel Graham of the Patriots is a perfect example of the type of tight end that would work in Carolina. Depth at cornerback should also be addressed, our talent is only two and a half-deep and we need atleast two more talented players for insurance in case injuries strike again.

I also would look at the possibility of a trade down if one of the top safeties or linebackers aren't available at our pick.

ShutDwn
01-14-2007, 11:17 AM
We can't trade Foster, cap hit would be too big.


If we get a new coordinator I think that Colbert should stay. He has the skill set and I think we would regret losing him just because Jake can't work past his 2nd option.

JPF
01-14-2007, 12:38 PM
Colberts problem is he can't get off a jam to save his life.

ShutDwn
01-14-2007, 01:07 PM
Colberts problem is he can't get off a jam to save his life.

Nah, put him with the Patriots and he would be in the top 3 receptions.

He should be running short intermediate crosses, drags and slants. Not post patterns and curls. He doesn't have the speed to threaten deep thus making it pointless to make him run that.

He is good after the catch, so get it to him early.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-15-2007, 11:29 AM
I thought the way we signed Foster was so it would be easy to get rid of him after the first year. Not sure if trading him has the same effect, but I could have sworn if he we cut him this year the hit is minimal

JPF
01-15-2007, 01:24 PM
We'd save about a million bucks by cutting him I believe.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-15-2007, 02:42 PM
Looks like you guys are getting what you want, Henning is out along with Maser (OL) and Rod Perry (DBs)

I dont mind the move so much as long as we get a good OC to replace him (ie, not Jim Fassell). And I know you dont keep a coach just because of one player, but you have to factor in the possibility of losing Keyshawn into this.

FirstAndGoal
01-15-2007, 03:48 PM
with henning now gone if keyshawn goes what about ted ginn in the first round? safety and MLB are a bit more pressing issues but we desperately need a good WR opposite steve smith made obvious from last year and I dont think carter or colbert are the answer. ginn would also give us a kick returner, another need of ours.

ShutDwn
01-15-2007, 04:32 PM
with henning now gone if keyshawn goes what about ted ginn in the first round? safety and MLB are a bit more pressing issues but we desperately need a good WR opposite steve smith made obvious from last year and I dont think carter or colbert are the answer. ginn would also give us a kick returner, another need of ours.

Well, I think we should wait and see if Keyshawn does really leave.

Ginn isn't polished enough for us, I would rather take a Dwayne Bowe.

I want to wait and see who we replace Henning with. Hopefully we don't replace him with another Fassell. :lol:

Then we can look at previous offenses of theirs and see who we might want to target.

Anthony Gonzalez would be a good guy to look at, Dallas Baker too. Maybe we get a guy who can use TEs. I hope that Fox lets the guy have room to work.

FirstAndGoal
01-15-2007, 05:17 PM
with henning now gone if keyshawn goes what about ted ginn in the first round? safety and MLB are a bit more pressing issues but we desperately need a good WR opposite steve smith made obvious from last year and I dont think carter or colbert are the answer. ginn would also give us a kick returner, another need of ours.

Well, I think we should wait and see if Keyshawn does really leave.

Ginn isn't polished enough for us, I would rather take a Dwayne Bowe.

I want to wait and see who we replace Henning with. Hopefully we don't replace him with another Fassell. :lol:

Then we can look at previous offenses of theirs and see who we might want to target.

Anthony Gonzalez would be a good guy to look at, Dallas Baker too. Maybe we get a guy who can use TEs. I hope that Fox lets the guy have room to work.

I definately agree that we should wait and see about Keyshawn. This team has way too many other needs to be drafting a WR in the first round if they still have Smith and Key. But if he does leave I also like Bowe. Ginn is a lot like Smith and I think Bowe might complement Smith better. But Ginn can return kicks and is extrememly explosive, so either one would be good.

JustJoe2k5
01-15-2007, 05:25 PM
I only question the move to fire Mike Maser. We have too much talent on offense and in the secondary to be as poor as we were in both departments. However, I thought Maser did a solid job with the offensive line through all the injuries he had to deal with.

Hopefully, we'll start to hear about possible replacements soon. I just hope they take their time and hire someone that is the best possible fit and not just the first person that will agree to sign on.

JustJoe2k5
01-15-2007, 05:30 PM
With a new offensive coordinator, Greg Olsen wouldn't look too bad in the second round. A Jeremy Shockey minus the attitude could do wonders for our offense.

pantherzfan28
01-15-2007, 09:53 PM
anybody think carolina will draft colt brennan now that he declared for the draft

diabsoule
01-17-2007, 02:34 PM
I think Carolina is going to either draft a QB in Round 2 or wait until the deep QB draft of next year to go with their future signal caller.

ShutDwn
01-17-2007, 04:04 PM
I think Carolina is going to either draft a QB in Round 2 or wait until the deep QB draft of next year to go with their future signal caller.

Yeah, we will see what happens in FA and who we get for OC. That will be huge for forcasting this draft.

pantherzfan28
01-17-2007, 06:48 PM
only reason i think they should pick a qb is because we might not have a low pick again

JustJoe2k5
01-17-2007, 07:09 PM
only reason i think they should pick a qb is because we might not have a low pick again

If history repeats itself, we'll have this same draft pick in two years.

'04 - Super Bowl berth / #31 pick in the draft
'05 - 7-9 season / #14 pick in the draft
'06 - NFC Championship Game berth / #27 pick in the draft
'07 - 8-8 season / #14 pick in the draft

JPF
01-17-2007, 07:54 PM
Doesn't matter if we hire a TE coach to be our OC. He won't be able to use them if Fox doesn't want them used.

I'm hopeful it changes, but I'm not going to bank on it.

ShutDwn
01-18-2007, 01:58 PM
We interviewed Bengals QB coach Ken Zampese

http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/11528.html


I would like to get him. That way we would get a guy who knows what great QB play is.

JustJoe2k5
01-18-2007, 04:44 PM
Really like his experience

Assistant Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles in '98
Assistant Coach of the Green Bay Packers in '99
Assistant Coach of the St. Louis Rams in '00-'02
Assistant Coach of the Cincinnati Bengals in '03-'06

That is ALOT of experience with very talented quarterbacks and very productive offenses.

In 2003, Zampese worked with Kitna, who posted career highs in completions (324), passing yards (3591), TD passes (26), completion percentage (62.3) and passer rating (87.4). Though Kitna’s statistics in 2002 were also solid, his ’03 performance still won him NFL Comeback Player of the Year honors from the Associated Press and Pro Football Weekly.

Zampese (pronounced "zam-PEE-zee") came to the Bengals following three seasons (2000-02) in St. Louis, in which he had an expanding role with the NFL’s most prolific passing offense.

Zampese joined the Rams in 2000 as an offensive assistant. He was promoted to wide receivers coach in 2001, and the Rams led the league in passing yards for a second straight year, averaging 291.4. In 2002, he added the title of passing game coach, and the Rams finished second in the league at 259.6 yards per game.

I would love for the team to hire this guy.

JPF
01-18-2007, 07:48 PM
Rumors I've heard so far for OC...

Mike McCoy- apparently a few teams are interested in him other than us, supposedly they've asked permission to talk to him and we've said no

Jim Skipper- I hope not, he's pushing 60 and we need youth

Mike Pope, Giants TE Coach- not sure what the status is but "supposedly" we've asked permission

Ken Zampese, Bengals QB Coach- he was in town for an interview supposedly

John Davidson, Browns O-line/OC/Asst HC- one fan site has a picture of him next to a payfor story about our job openings...sorry, but I don't subscibe to their service and I won't. The place is unreputable as hell. The guy swore he knew for a fact we'd be releasing Mike Rucker to resign Moose....3 hours later Moose was cut.

JustJoe2k5
01-18-2007, 08:51 PM
John Davidson is another decent option. He was the offensive line / tight end coach for New England throughout their three Super Bowl seasons.

ShutDwn
01-18-2007, 09:20 PM
John Davidson is another decent option. He was the offensive line / tight end coach for New England throughout their three Super Bowl seasons.

Wouldn't mind that either.

JustJoe2k5
01-18-2007, 10:22 PM
I kind of figured the first place we would look outside of the guys already on the staff would be coaches with ties to New England. John Fox seems to have a strong friendship with Charlie Weis, so Weis likely suggested Davidson as a possible candidate.

4pAc
01-18-2007, 10:26 PM
I just dropped in to let you guys know that panthers are doing well in forum mock right now 8)

JustJoe2k5
01-19-2007, 10:30 AM
Bengals | Sheppard could become quarterbacks coach
Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:02:17 -0800

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports if Cincinnati Bengals quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese is hired as the Carolina Panthers new offensive coordinator, recently-hired wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard could become the team's new quarterbacks coach. If Sheppard moves on, former Cleveland Browns head coach Terry Robiskie is one option to coach the wide receivers.

Sounds like a deal may be close. I doubt they would name a coach's replacement if they don't seriously believe he is gone.

pantherzfan28
01-19-2007, 04:05 PM
can anybody make me a signature plz ?

diabsoule
01-19-2007, 04:19 PM
can anybody make me a signature plz ?

You can go to the Sig request thread but they usually want you to get your post count up first.

diabsoule
01-19-2007, 04:19 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2736536

Tim Lewis hired as Secondary coach.