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Jvig43
03-23-2009, 01:56 PM
Anyone know the reason for why T.O was a no show today? Just curious.

Bills2083
03-23-2009, 02:48 PM
Anyone know the reason for why T.O was a no show today? Just curious.


I heard that he was vacationing somewhere.

BRAVEHEART
03-23-2009, 02:49 PM
Anyone know the reason for why T.O was a no show today? Just curious.

Probably doing sit-ups in his drive way.

Bills2083
03-23-2009, 03:30 PM
per text...
"The NFL has announced that the Buffalo Bills will visit Foxboro to play the New England Patriots on Monday, Sept. 14 at 7PM."

SuperMcGee
03-23-2009, 05:28 PM
per text...
"The NFL has announced that the Buffalo Bills will visit Foxboro to play the New England Patriots on Monday, Sept. 14 at 7PM."

As it is, I don't care much for that opening.
But if we win, it will be the greatest thing ever.

fischbowl
03-23-2009, 08:16 PM
As it is, I don't care much for that opening.
But if we win, it will be the greatest thing ever.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2003/0915_large.jpg

Rob S
03-24-2009, 02:35 PM
I like the opener vs the Pats because Billy Boy wont have tape of our offense with TO, sucks we wont have Lynch, but I love me some Fred Jackson.

TheBuffaloBills
03-25-2009, 06:21 PM
I like it alot because:

We have had bad luck with MNF games.

We always lose to the Pats at Home.

Lynch is suspended.


If you spread those things out, that would be 2 or 3 loses. However put all that in one game and you just have 1 loss! If we win, that will be amazing.

SuperMcGee
03-25-2009, 06:59 PM
At least we know that Freddy can run on the Patriots with 9 in the box. Imagine what he'll do with some room!

(I still don't like it)

OTcoach
03-26-2009, 01:56 PM
When did we sign J. Scott? I must've been sleeping....

He was a good prospect when he came out a few years ago. I remember his bench press was brutal though. Is he signed long term???

fischbowl
03-26-2009, 02:18 PM
When did we sign J. Scott? I must've been sleeping....

He was a good prospect when he came out a few years ago. I remember his bench press was brutal though. Is he signed long term???

He was signed as a replacement backup OT midseason

OTcoach
03-26-2009, 05:10 PM
He was signed as a replacement backup OT midseason

They must see something in him. b/c Chambers played well at RT when Peters was holding out and Bell looked good in pre-season.

I watched him (Scott) closely for Detroit the few games I saw and thought he played quite well. He was injured quite a bit though.

Leave it to Detroit to release a young OT who has starting potential.

Iamcanadian
03-27-2009, 12:53 PM
They must see something in him. b/c Chambers played well at RT when Peters was holding out and Bell looked good in pre-season.

I watched him (Scott) closely for Detroit the few games I saw and thought he played quite well. He was injured quite a bit though.

Leave it to Detroit to release a young OT who has starting potential.

He has absolutely no starting potential and is a marginal player at best. Because he has some experience he would be a cheap backup.

art vandelay
04-05-2009, 02:21 PM
Now that I hear Peters isn't budging on being paid as the highest LT in the NFL, we need to trade him ASAP. Hopefully on draft day involving a 1st or a 2nd. Then we could grab Oher at 11.

BufFan71
04-05-2009, 07:21 PM
Now that I hear Peters isn't budging on being paid as the highest LT in the NFL, we need to trade him ASAP. Hopefully on draft day involving a 1st or a 2nd. Then we could grab Oher at 11.

i dont see how anyone could fathom the thoughts to trade a proven 2 time pro-bowl LT

and replace him with a rookie LT, who could end up being a bust...

art vandelay
04-05-2009, 07:29 PM
We just can't afford to pay Peters $11+ mil/year. I think his demands just show that he's out for the money and couldn't care less about the success of the team. Personally I think his demands are part of his plan to get out of Buffalo. He wins either way. If he is traded, he will get out of Buffalo, but if he isn't, he will be the highest paid LT in the league.

BufFan71
04-05-2009, 08:57 PM
We just can't afford to pay Peters $11+ mil/year. I think his demands just show that he's out for the money and couldn't care less about the success of the team. Personally I think his demands are part of his plan to get out of Buffalo. He wins either way. If he is traded, he will get out of Buffalo, but if he isn't, he will be the highest paid LT in the league.

i refuse to believe we cant pay a player that much...


how can EVERY team in the NFL be able to afford to pay some players ridiculous amounts of money, while the bills cant pay these players...

its probably because we are busy paying players like Kelsay, SChobel, Whitner, essentially bums, more than they need to be making...

art vandelay
04-05-2009, 11:48 PM
No doubt we have the money if we really wanted to sign him but he isn't worth as much as he is demanding. Period.

Prowler
04-09-2009, 07:16 AM
stats that i stole from another forum...i'm assuming they are legit but no guarantee. peters had a very very down year this past year.

sacks games Passes Passes/Game Sacks/Pass

1 Ryan Clady Broncos 0.5 16 620 38.75 0.0008
2 Michael Roos Titans 1 16 453 28.31 0.0022
3 Tra Thomas Eagles 2 16 606 37.88 0.0033
4 Orlando Pace Rams 2 14 520 32.50 0.0044
5 Jammal Brown Saints 3 15 636 39.75 0.0050
6 Jake Long Dolphins 2.5 16 491 30.69 0.0051
7 Tony Ugoh Colts 3 12 585 36.56 0.0068
8 Marcus McNeill Chargers 3 14 478 29.88 0.0072
9 Jared Gaither Ravens 3 15 433 27.06 0.0074
10 D’Brickashaw Ferguson Jets 4 16 529 33.06 0.0076
11 Jordan Gross Panthers 3 15 414 25.88 0.0077
12 Chris Samuels Redskins 3 12 510 31.88 0.0078
13 Branden Albert Cheifs 4.5 15 541 33.81 0.0089
14 Joe Thomas Browns 4.5 16 488 30.50 0.0092
15 Walter Jones Seahawks 3.5 12 474 29.63 0.0098
16 Mike Gandy Cardinals 6.25 16 630 39.38 0.0099
17 Todd Weiner Falcons 3 11 434 27.13 0.0101
18 Max Starks Steelers 4 11 506 31.63 0.0115
19 Bryant McKinnie Vikings 4 12 452 28.25 0.0118
20 David Diehl Giants 6.5 16 491 30.69 0.0132
21 Flozell Adams Cowboys 7.25 16 547 34.19 0.0133
22 Khalif Barnes Jags 7.5 16 537 33.56 0.0140
22 Matt Light Pats 7.5 16 534 33.38 0.0140
23 Chad Clifton Packers 7.5 15 541 33.81 0.0148
24 Donald Penn Bucs 8.5 16 562 35.13 0.0151
25 Levi Brown Bengals 5.5 11 513 32.06 0.0156
26 Joe Staley 49ers 8.5 16 509 31.81 0.0167
27 Jeff Backus Lions 9.25 16 509 31.81 0.0182
28 John St. Clair Bears 9.75 16 528 33.00 0.0185
29 Duane Brown Texans 11.5 16 555 34.69 0.0207
30 Kwame Harris Raiders 7.5 11 421 26.31 0.0259
31 Jason Peters Bills 11.5 13 479 29.94 0.0295

i was wondering about peters for a forum mock a few months ago and found those stats. if they are legit then i would definitely trade him.

TheBuffaloBills
04-09-2009, 08:00 AM
We need to lock up Fred Jackson, now!

Iamcanadian
04-10-2009, 12:11 AM
Well, I can guarantee you one thing, if we decide to trade Peters, 31 other NFL teams will line up to bid on him. Finding a player who can play LT in the NFL is tough and LT's never come on the FA market much less get traded and are always franchised until their age catches up with them. It is the 2nd most important position on a football team's offense behind the QB and unless you have an equal player to replace him, you can expect your passing attack to go to the dumps until a solid replacement is found and trained.
If Peters is traded it will be because our owner won't pay him the money his position demands and will have little to do with his talent. In the FA era, we have a long track record of sending costly players elsewhere but make no mistake, it is the reason why we have never seriously competed since the FA era became a reality. If Peters goes, it will signal that we again aren't interested in winning and will likely remain as a NFL bottom feeder until we get a new owner with deeper pockets.

art vandelay
04-10-2009, 09:37 AM
I'm all for keeping Peters but you just can't pay him what he's asking, you just can't. It's too much for a guy who was underwhelming last season, to say the least.

The more I think of it, the better I think we are in trading him this year. If we could get a 1st, I'd pull the trigger for sure. This is a great LT class. Grab best LT available at 11 (hopefully Oher) and then with the first rounder we get, look to draft a DE. Barwin would be a nice option later in the first. The Bills obviously like what they see in him, they had him in to visit a few weeks back.

We signed Seth McKinney yesterday. Should be a nice depth pickup for backup OG and C. Looks like we are comfortable with Chambers/Bell starting at LG. Or else we are going to draft and start a rookie? I think Chambers will probably start. Since we probably will end up having to trade Peters (according to Vic Carucci), I am 100% against starting two rookies on the left side of the line.

Also, I see we are shopping Roscoe. I'm not completely against it, but I wouldn't be upset if we got a 3rd or better for him. I can live with a 4th but for a 5th I'd be pissed.

ruthlessrussian
04-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Im going to agree with Art on this one to an extent. I love would Peters could potentially do for us at LT but his attitude and productivity are definitely in question right now. The guy is asking for top LT money and I believe he rejected an offer from the Bills that would pay him between $10-11m per year and is asking for about $3m more per year (It was on NFL.com a few weeks back). That is a very big investment on a player who might not perform at the level his salary would indicate.

Now with that said, if we were to trade him, equal compensation would have to be multiple picks including at the very least a first this year. Something like the Chiefs got for Jared Allen but more.

I would like to see him stay a Bill but not for $14m a year. But if we can't get a solid trade for him, like the eagles top two picks+ maybe, I would rather see Ralph just sign him to what he want.

Hurricanes25
04-10-2009, 11:17 PM
It looks like you guys are shopping Roscoe Parrish.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/09/bills-shopping-roscoe-parrish/

Rob S
04-11-2009, 10:12 AM
It looks like you guys are shopping Roscoe Parrish.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/09/bills-shopping-roscoe-parrish/

as much as I love Roscoe......we don't need him. Reed is better in the slot and I want to see Leodis on PR duty. If we can squeeze a 3rd that would be pretty sweet, but I am expecting a 4th which is decent value I guess.

Rob S
04-11-2009, 10:15 AM
I will say tho......the option of pairing Roscoe with with Peters and a later round selection for a top 6 pick this year could be an interesting option. That way we could maybe do something like Rak and Oher, Curry and Oher, or Smith and Brown if the Rams bit.

SuperMcGee
04-11-2009, 12:16 PM
as much as I love Roscoe......we don't need him. Reed is better in the slot and I want to see Leodis on PR duty. If we can squeeze a 3rd that would be pretty sweet, but I am expecting a 4th which is decent value I guess.

I'd say we could have 4 receivers who are better than Roscoe as it is and another with a boatload of potential. He has had slight issues. McKelvin and even Freddy would still give us a great punt return, but I'd hate to lose the guy who could very well be the best PR in the league when we're a team that is so reliant on getting huge contributuons from our special teams. Our offense has been pathetic for years and we can't afford to lose the field position battle. McKelvin should be a really good returner there, but I wouldn't be so sure that they want to give him every opportunity.
I would dish Roscoe for a decent price, but you hate to part with anyone who is the best at what they do.

I will say tho......the option of pairing Roscoe with with Peters and a later round selection for a top 6 pick this year could be an interesting option. That way we could maybe do something like Rak and Oher, Curry and Oher, or Smith and Brown if the Rams bit.

Wouldn't be enough for a pick like that.

ruthlessrussian
04-11-2009, 10:50 PM
[QUOTE=Wouldn't be enough for a pick like that.[/QUOTE]


For a potentially elite LT that is already proven? Im pretty sure there will be some teams interested in the top 10 of the draft if it comes down to trading Peters.

Didn't the Bills trade a 9th overall for a backup QB back in the day?? It would be nice if we could somewhat make up for that.

Bills2083
04-12-2009, 09:18 AM
I'd say we could have 4 receivers who are better than Roscoe as it is and another with a boatload of potential. He has had slight issues. McKelvin and even Freddy would still give us a great punt return, but I'd hate to lose the guy who could very well be the best PR in the league when we're a team that is so reliant on getting huge contributuons from our special teams. Our offense has been pathetic for years and we can't afford to lose the field position battle. McKelvin should be a really good returner there, but I wouldn't be so sure that they want to give him every opportunity.
I would dish Roscoe for a decent price, but you hate to part with anyone who is the best at what they do.



Wouldn't be enough for a pick like that.

I really don't want to trade Parrish.
I still feel that we aren't using him correctly. He is so shift, and can break an unlimited amount of tackles, but we still don't put the ball in his hands enough. They should have more go routes with him, screens, slants, anything that will allow him to use his quickness and great cutting abilities to his advantage.

Rob S
04-15-2009, 08:16 AM
We knew we going to have a tough schedule.......and we know schedules are overrated. That said.....I think having the Colts last could be huge.......seeing as we may be battling it out and they could have everything locked up.

SuperMcGee
04-15-2009, 04:33 PM
We knew we going to have a tough schedule.......and we know schedules are overrated. That said.....I think having the Colts last could be huge.......seeing as we may be battling it out and they could have everything locked up.

They took the Jets game. You should know, that is a game you just don't take away!

Rob S
04-15-2009, 07:39 PM
Yeah, thats pretty g a y.......

fischbowl
04-15-2009, 10:22 PM
They took the Jets game. You should know, that is a game you just don't take away!

I know how ****** up is that? Hopefully our tickets will be selected for Toronto doubt it though.

SuperKevin
04-17-2009, 12:35 PM
So looks like Peters will be traded to Philly sometime soon. I hope we can get a 1st round pick out of it.

bored of education
04-17-2009, 12:38 PM
So looks like Peters will be traded to Philly sometime soon. I hope we can get a 1st round pick out of it.

I think a 1st will come of this for sure. Then what does Buff do?

DE and Mack or what?

Rob S
04-17-2009, 12:41 PM
I think a 1st will come of this for sure. Then what does Buff do?

DE and Mack or what?

DE and Pettigrew/Oher......look Mack/Unger in round 2. That would be my plan anyway.

Malaka
04-17-2009, 12:41 PM
I think a 1st will come of this for sure. Then what does Buff do?

DE and Mack or what?

Probably depends which 1st they get...

I can see at 21. them selecting Pettigrew.

At 28. Pettigrew if he is still there, but if not definitely Mack.

11. is still a huge question mark, but I'd guess they'd take a DE, that'd probably be their best bet.

Bills2083
04-17-2009, 12:43 PM
per pfw it is for the 28th overall pick, as long as a 2nd-day pick, and late 2010 pick.

SuperKevin
04-17-2009, 12:44 PM
I think a 1st will come of this for sure. Then what does Buff do?

DE and Mack or what?

I think we'd go for a guy like Oher with our 1st pick and then best available DE later on.

bored of education
04-17-2009, 12:50 PM
**** how about this!

1. pettigrew
1b. everette bronw/ayers/English (if they were to drop ;))
2. eric wood/unger

coordinator0
04-17-2009, 12:51 PM
I think we'd go for a guy like Oher with our 1st pick and then best available DE later on.

I smell Larry English at 28...

Bills2083
04-17-2009, 12:53 PM
**** how about this!

1. pettigrew
1b. everette bronw/ayers/English (if they were to drop ;))
2. eric wood/unger


What do we do at LT?

Rob S
04-17-2009, 12:56 PM
21 would make this way sweeter.........I still like it tho. Maybe we still try to trade down from 11?

SuperKevin
04-17-2009, 12:58 PM
I think we go like this

1. Michael Oher (athletic OL who i feel is similar to Peters. I don't like him nearly as much though)
1b. Alex Mack
2. Michael Johnson
3. Richard Quinn

bored of education
04-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Oh yeah LT duhhh

Oher at number 11 then

ChiFan24
04-17-2009, 01:02 PM
#11 + #42 for #4 (Eugene Monroe)?

coordinator0
04-17-2009, 01:03 PM
#11 + #42 for #4 (Eugene Monroe)?

That's probably not enough to move up, but i could see them attempting it.

SuperKevin
04-17-2009, 01:06 PM
#11 + #42 for #4 (Eugene Monroe)?

It'd more likely have to be #11 and #28 with a 4th rounder thrown in to move into the top 5

bored of education
04-17-2009, 01:08 PM
Even though Peters had a rough year they got some very good value for him.

Bills2083
04-17-2009, 01:11 PM
So, if we were to do that trade (11/28/4th) for #4...

1.) Eugene Monroe - OT
2.) Michael Johnson - DE
3.) Andy Levitre - OG
4.) Tyrone McKenzie - OLB (I have this 4th in here assuming that the 2nd day pick we received from Philly is a 4th)

thoughts?

Rob S
04-17-2009, 01:34 PM
I dont want a trade up.......a trade down from 11 makes more sense imo. Move down for an OT/Pettigrew and stockpile picks to build up the trenches in the middle rounds. Landing Oher or Pettigrew in the 1st and a combo of 2 of Mack/Unger/Johnson/English in the 2nd would be tight

SuperMcGee
04-17-2009, 02:00 PM
Waiting for BufFan...

(just noticed that BufFan sounds like Guffman. Awesome)

Need a new LT out of this. Let's try to get some great pieces out of those first three picks.

ChiFan24
04-17-2009, 04:12 PM
It'd more likely have to be #11 and #28 with a 4th rounder thrown in to move into the top 5

The chart says it's fine; #11, #42, and a fourth would make it completely even. If you give #11 and #28, you're losing value. Not to mention, those higher picks are a a lot less valuable to the teams that are desperate to get out. Could you see the Bills at least exploring the possibility of a trade up?

art vandelay
04-17-2009, 04:14 PM
I don't see why the Bills would trade up. We have too many holes. Unless they are like in love with Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe, I think we stay put or trade down even. Remember, we are cheap and probably don't want to pay two first rounders.

shady00
04-17-2009, 10:49 PM
yeah, I don't see you trading up.

So, at 11 do you guys take Pettigrew, Oher, or Ayers?

Pettigrew/English(de)/Best OT
or
Oher/English/Shawn Nelson(te)
or
Ayers(de)/Beatty(ot)/Shawn Nelson(te)

*edit* screwed up first list

redbills
04-17-2009, 10:51 PM
Why would we trade up???????????? We traded Peters since he wanted a lot of money.

SuperMcGee
04-18-2009, 12:09 AM
yeah, I don't see you trading up.

So, at 11 do you guys take Pettigrew, Oher, or Ayers?

Pettigrew/English(de)/Shawn Nelson(te)
or
Oher/Beatty(ot)/Shawn Nelson(te)
or
Ayers(de)/Beatty(ot)/Shawn Nelson(te)

Those drafts are a little off. 2 TE in one, 2 OT in another.
Anyway, Oher is who I am hoping for.

BufFan71
04-18-2009, 06:43 AM
Waiting for BufFan...

(just noticed that BufFan sounds like Guffman. Awesome)

Need a new LT out of this. Let's try to get some great pieces out of those first three picks.


im here

i understand the peters trade, but i dont like it...



BUT i do think that the FO wouldnt have done this if Jauron wasnt high on Demetrius Bell... either that, or they love one of the OT's in the draft

art vandelay
04-18-2009, 09:44 AM
http://www.profootballcentral.com/

Bills Looking Into Acquiring John Henderson
April 17th, 2009 · No Comments

The Buffalo Bills could now be trying to trade there new fourth round draft pick that they just acquired from the Philadelphia Eagles (121 overall) to the Jacksonville Jaguars for defensive tackle John Henderson, which would reunite Marcus Stroud and Henderson who were a dynamic duo in Jacksonville for several years, several sources tell ProFootballCentral. There are many outlets that are labeling the Bills in need for a tackle, defensive end and tightend and while those three needs are correct, so is the need for a dominate defensive tackle to line up next to Pro Bowler Marcus Stroud. The Bills do have Kyle Williams, Spencer Johnson and former first round draft pick John McCargo all on there roster but as of now, none of them have established themselves as a legitimate starter next to Stroud. Henderson, did have a drop off year last year and may have fell out of favor with head coach Del Rio who is rumored to be looking to go young at the defensive tackle position and has been pondering trading the eight year veteran. One thing that is for sure, is that if the Bills don’t think that Henderson is an intense player then they need to look at this video.
Reply With Quote

I'm LOVING this. Get it done.

We also signed Dominic Rhodes. Good signing for a #3, IMO. He will obviously be #2 when Lynch is out. Interested in the terms of the deal, I know the length is 2 years.

SuperKevin
04-18-2009, 09:52 AM
Henderson and Stroud would be awesome in Buffalo. That kind of pressure up the middle will allow us to wait until later in the draft to take a DE. It also will help us stop Ronnie Brown and Thomas Jones

art vandelay
04-18-2009, 10:00 AM
Would be so sick. Stroud and Henderson with Williams and Spencer Johnson would make a great 4 man rotation. Then McCargo is a wildcard, he could be great without Kollar or could just get worse. You never know.

redbills
04-18-2009, 10:05 AM
I am for it, only a 4th, heck yea

fischbowl
04-18-2009, 10:24 AM
Henderson and Stroud would be awesome in Buffalo. That kind of pressure up the middle will allow us to wait until later in the draft to take a DE. It also will help us stop Ronnie Brown and Thomas Jones

I agree, DE most certainly becomes a middle tiered need, and maybe it allows us to work on a 3rd round project such as Sidbury or Moore, or even waiting for a Phil Hunt of sorts.

Does anyone else feel like we should address DB in the 2nd? Sean Smith would make me cum my pants

art vandelay
04-18-2009, 10:30 AM
I agree, DE most certainly becomes a middle tiered need, and maybe it allows us to work on a 3rd round project such as Sidbury or Moore, or even waiting for a Phil Hunt of sorts.

Does anyone else feel like we should address DB in the 2nd? Sean Smith would make me cum my pants

Smith would be really intriguing since he could probably play CB or S. Put him at S this season then depending if we can re-sign (or even try to re-sign) McGee next off-season and how Florence does, he could play CB next year if need be.

SuperMcGee
04-18-2009, 02:03 PM
I agree, I would really like to get Smith.
The Henderson idea would be nuts. Williams and Johnson off the bench, I'd love that.

ruthlessrussian
04-18-2009, 05:11 PM
Two dominant defensive tackles again... (tears) Wow we need to get this done! Having Ted Washington and Pat Williams and then losing them still hurts. It would be sooo nice to have that kind of force inside again. Especially if all we give up is a forth!

Stroud became his former dominant self after joining the Bills, so why not Henderson as well. Again. Let's get this done Bills!

Side note. That Youtube clip of Henderson was sick. I miss getting fired up like that before a game.

fischbowl
04-18-2009, 05:50 PM
M4cXZGkRMCY

ruthlessrussian
04-18-2009, 06:11 PM
"You gotta make blood come to the mouth!!" Hahaha, yes! Damn I love football.

calibill2
04-18-2009, 08:05 PM
hey ruthlessrussian, where'd you play? I moved to SB from Buffalo before high school - Dos Pueblos. You?

EDIT: actually I think I asked you like 3 years ago ha, forgot you've been on the board since 05 too

fischbowl
04-18-2009, 08:26 PM
hey ruthlessrussian, where'd you play? I moved to SB from Buffalo before high school - Dos Pueblos. You?

EDIT: actually I think I asked you like 3 years ago ha, forgot you've been on the board since 05 too

Do people make fun of you for saying 'pop'? I moved to NYC and people don't let me live it down

SuperKevin
04-18-2009, 09:24 PM
Do people make fun of you for saying 'pop'? I moved to NYC and people don't let me live it down

it's soda. people who say pop make me angry

fischbowl
04-18-2009, 09:57 PM
it's soda. people who say pop make me angry

It has and will always be 'pop'. What the **** is soda?

http://www.chemistryland.com/CHM107Lab/Exp10_pHindicator/Lab/BakingSoda.jpg

Bills2083
04-18-2009, 10:31 PM
It has and will always be 'pop'. What the **** is soda?

http://www.chemistryland.com/CHM107Lab/Exp10_pHindicator/Lab/BakingSoda.jpg


obviously soda is for baking, cleaning, and deodorizing.
If you want a nice, cool, refreshing drink, you must be wanting 'pop'

ChosenOne
04-18-2009, 11:29 PM
I am writing a short piece on every team's plethora of prospect visits. Where can I find a full list for Buffalo?

Rob S
04-19-2009, 11:27 AM
no clue, but there is no creating threads around these parts.........moving this to general discussion.

fischbowl
04-19-2009, 08:05 PM
I am writing a short piece on every team's plethora of prospect visits. Where can I find a full list for Buffalo?

I don't know, but if you find this list, I'll be very interested in seeing this. I know Draft Daddy may have a list of players the Bills talked to at the Combine

essential
04-20-2009, 01:19 AM
How do you guys like my ideal draft?

1) Andre Smith (OT) / Michael Oher (OT)
1) Alex Mack (C)
2) Michael Johnson (DE)
3) Travis Beckum (TE)
4) Rhett Bomar (QB) / Chip Vaughn (S)
4) Cornelius Lewis (OG)
5) Trade for Bobby Carpenter (OLB) / Terrance Taylor (DT)
6) Zack Follett (LB)
7) David Veikune (DE)

derza222
04-20-2009, 11:34 AM
What are your guys thoughts on what will happen in the draft after the Peters trade? Will you targeting Mack at #28? Anybody else that seems likely there? Pettigrew if he slips, maybe a reach for Jared Cook?

And will the tackle spot definitely be addressed early? Kind of seems like a waste to trade a tackle just to draft a tackle, though Peters was disgruntled so it makes a little more sense. Saw on the last page there's some interest in drafting Oher. I'd presume you guys would pass on Andre Smith if he slips because of the emphasis on character?

Also saw rotoworld say that Langston Walker is the starting LT at the moment. Does that mean you really need to address LT somehow to move him back to the right side, or is there enough faith in his ability there that you could draft a right tackle?

Sorry for all the questions, just was curious about what you guys are going to do this year after the trade. Seems like you'll be in really good position to fill some holes.

SuperMcGee
04-20-2009, 12:53 PM
All good questions, and ones that we're all asking.

I would really be against taking Cook at that spot. Pettigrew I would love there, though.

Ideally, we keep Walker at RT. I'm hoping for Oher, but I really have no idea. Walker played well at LT for us but he's great at RT and a full time transition probably wouldn't do him good. I'm looking for a new LT.

SuperKevin
04-20-2009, 03:43 PM
What are your guys thoughts on what will happen in the draft after the Peters trade? Will you targeting Mack at #28? Anybody else that seems likely there? Pettigrew if he slips, maybe a reach for Jared Cook?

And will the tackle spot definitely be addressed early? Kind of seems like a waste to trade a tackle just to draft a tackle, though Peters was disgruntled so it makes a little more sense. Saw on the last page there's some interest in drafting Oher. I'd presume you guys would pass on Andre Smith if he slips because of the emphasis on character?

Also saw rotoworld say that Langston Walker is the starting LT at the moment. Does that mean you really need to address LT somehow to move him back to the right side, or is there enough faith in his ability there that you could draft a right tackle?

Sorry for all the questions, just was curious about what you guys are going to do this year after the trade. Seems like you'll be in really good position to fill some holes.

Like McGee said, I'd be angry if we drafted Cook because we have two TEs on our roster that are one-dimensional(albeit not as athletic) receiving TEs. We really need that punishing outside blocker who can help spring a few big runs to the outside. The guy I'm loving is Richard Quinn from UNC. I think he'd be a great 3rd round pick for us.

I'm not 100% sure if I like Walker on the left side but I'm certain I'd prefer him there over a rookie to start the season. I think we can draft a player in round 2 to plug in at RT and gradually build him up to be a LT. A guy like Troy Kropog or Phil Loadholt could be key here.

Vox Populi
04-20-2009, 06:04 PM
1) PETTIGREW PETTIGREW PETTIGREW
1) William Beatty OT UCONN
2) Eric Wood C Louisville
3) GET JOHN HENDERSON IF HES AVAILABLE, WTF!
4) David Bruton S Notre Dame
4) Kaluka Maiava LB USC
5) Will Davis DE Illinois
6) Drew Willy QB Buffalo
7) Brandon Walker OG Oklahoma

I don't really care what OT is on the board at 11. If we don't pick Pettigrew I'll be disappointed, and if we go DE I'll probably be pissed. The only 1st round DE I like at all is Larry English.

Pick up Beatty and Wood with the next two picks, get some talented prospects into the offensive line. Then trade for John Henderson if hes available. If they'll consider a 4th round offer, send them a ******* 3rd rounder and get this done, pairing Stroud and Henderson up with Williams and Johnson off the bench would be unreal.

Then in the late rounds we pick up a big athletic safety prospect, a feisty LB prospect, a DE who had a weak senior season but was a monster as a Junior, then a local practice squad quarterback and a guard prospect.

Basically, as long as we get Pettigrew I won't be too disappointed. This seems like a really ****** draft to have lots of picks in though, to be honest.

art vandelay
04-23-2009, 07:35 PM
I hope we can deal at least one of the three guys rumored to be on the block - Parrish, Simpson, Kelsay - on draft day. I really think we should try to get some mid-late rounders then try to package those with our #28 to move up for Pettigrew. We might need to trade up to as high as 21 if Moreno goes before Philly. This is assuming we get either an LT or DE at 11.

ruthlessrussian
04-23-2009, 07:59 PM
Damn the Eagles and not given us the 21 pick.

Has anybody heard anything knew on the Henderson deal? I can't find anything on it.

art vandelay
04-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Damn the Eagles and not given us the 21 pick.

Has anybody heard anything knew on the Henderson deal? I can't find anything on it.

Don't think it's going to happen. I think it was more speculation than anything else unfortunately.

ruthlessrussian
04-23-2009, 08:54 PM
Yeah... I figured that but I just do not want to believe it.. yet haha.

With three players on the trading block, it will be interesting to see if we do make any more deals come draft day. We definitely could use more picks to be able to navigate about the draft to where we want to.

I heard Parrish to the Steelers fell through though. It sucks in a way but I still wouldn't mind seeing him in a Bills uni next season.

Kelsay I don't think will go.

But Simpson, I could care less at this point. Trade him for what we can.

art vandelay
04-23-2009, 09:05 PM
Just read that the Bills are trying to trade up/with the Bengals to grab Andre Smith. Ugh. The one guy I want to avoid and the Bills are trying to trade up to get him. Mike Williams V2.

Bills2083
04-23-2009, 09:07 PM
Just read that the Bills are trying to trade up/with the Bengals to grab Andre Smith. Ugh. The one guy I want to avoid and the Bills are trying to trade up to get him. Mike Williams V2.


Where did you see this?

art vandelay
04-23-2009, 09:12 PM
I have a subscription to Scout.com. I'll post the whole thing:

http://buf.scout.com/2/859364.html

By Tyler Dunne
BFR Publisher
Posted Apr 23, 2009


Buffalo may be targeting Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith as its replacement for Jason Peters. After trading Peters to Philadelphia, the focus has shifted. Scout.com has learned that the Bills may be looking to trade up for Smith. The scoop inside...

In lieu of losing Jason Peters, the Buffalo Bills may be trying trade up in the draft to secure a left tackle.

A league source told Scout.com's Adam Caplan that the Bills are trying to trade up – past the Cincinnati Bengals at No. 6 overall – to land Alabama tackle Andre Smith. Both Buffalo and Cincinnati are in need of a starting tackle and the Bengals are considered a hot landing spot for Smith.

The need for a left tackle was created last weekend when Buffalo finally dealt the unhappy Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles for the 28th overall pick, a fourth round selection and a sixth round pick next year. The team lacks any viable immediate replacements right now. Only Langston Walker, Kirk Chambers and Demetrius Bell are the top tackles in the mix.

Peters wanted to be paid as the richest tackle in the league last off-season, a demand Buffalo refused to meet. He skipped the team's entire training camp, drawing $560,000 in fines. During the season, Peters was inconsistent. He made his second straight Pro Bowl but allowed more sacks than any other starting left tackle in the NFL (11.5).

Still, it's a big hole to fill. Peters remained one of the best young talents in the league. It appears the Bills are aggressively seeking to fill his void with their first pick in the draft. No player has had a rockier last couple months than Smith. He ducked out of the NFL Combine and was underwhelming at his pro day. In the bench press, he only had 19 reps of 225 pounds. His 40 time hovered in 5.3 range.

Click here for the video of Smith’s pro day.

Still, on talent-alone Smith could be the biggest hit at tackle in this year’s draft class. Before his miserable series of events, Smith was projected as a possible No. 1 overall pick. He is a masher with a massive base. Though his character has been questioned, Smith's talent ceiling is extremely high. He is deceptively agile for a man of his size.

The Bills still have pressing needs at tight end and defensive end but positions are rich enough to address in the second or third rounds if need be. For now, the Bills may be on the warpath for Andre Smith.

Stay tuned for more updates on this development...

Bills2083
04-23-2009, 09:18 PM
I have a subscription to Scout.com. I'll post the whole thing:

http://buf.scout.com/2/859364.html


oh, okay.

I really feel this thing is a smokescreen. I'm expecting (hoping) that the Bills are keeping everything top-secret right now.

art vandelay
04-23-2009, 09:31 PM
Well if we do trade up for Smith I'd expect our o-line to look something like this:

Smith - D. Bell - Hangartner - Butler - Walker

Probably draft a guard late in the draft/sign a UDFA. Also, I'd expect us to trade one of Parrish/Simpson/Kelsay if we trade up for Smith since we would obviously have to give up some picks to trade up.

SuperMcGee
04-23-2009, 10:05 PM
I love how Kelsay and Simpson are "on the block", as if there is some sort of market for them.

ruthlessrussian
04-24-2009, 08:07 PM
I love how Kelsay and Simpson are "on the block", as if there is some sort of market for them.

But Ko's worth millions!! Who wouldn't want Ko??

Iamcanadian
04-25-2009, 10:14 PM
Great, we are back to using the draft to replace players either traded away or lost in FA. The draft is supposed to be used to improve your weaknesses not fill the holes you created on your own. We are back to the same old Bills who actually matched Detroit for a decade in loses until Detroit got really bad.

fischbowl
04-26-2009, 12:25 AM
Wow, Maybin with Orakpo still on the board. Sorry to be late to the discussion, but I'm really kind of discontent with this

Leon Sandcastle
04-26-2009, 03:22 AM
4 Future Starters on Day 1.

Eric Wood and Andy LeVitre are two tough customers and I'm going to love seeing them mixing it up in the interior.

Aaron Maybin and Jairus Byrd have loads of potential.

Byrd is probably going to start on Day 1 at FS. 17 INTs in 3 Years is incredible on any level.

Maybin is going to be a situational pass-rusher for atleast a year but he should make an impact while developing his body.

OLB, TE, DT, DE are still needs.

Leon Sandcastle
04-26-2009, 03:27 AM
I've been reading a lot that the Bills don't think they're done with FA.

John Henderson might be available through trade

The Bills might be leveraging Kelsay and Parrish into another mid-round pick.

LeRoy Hill is a FA after being de-tagged by the Seahawks.

We saved money with the Peters trade, I'd make a run at Hill.

D-Unit
04-26-2009, 03:51 AM
How do you guys feel about giving up your 3rd and 4th to get Levitre?

I'm pissed that the Boys traded back, but would've been upset if we used the pick on Levitre. Gosselin predicted the Boys to take Levitre at 51.

Leon Sandcastle
04-26-2009, 08:51 AM
I'm cool with it. We still own PHI's 4th Rd pick and we might be able to get back into the 3rd Rd by dangling Roscoe Parrish.

D-Unit
04-26-2009, 09:00 AM
I'm cool with it. We still own PHI's 4th Rd pick and we might be able to get back into the 3rd Rd by dangling Roscoe Parrish.
Ah. Having that extra 4th helps.

SuperKevin
04-26-2009, 09:57 AM
Maybin was the one guy I absolutely did not want.

Bills2083
04-26-2009, 10:20 AM
I'd absolutely love if the Bills were to go out and sign Leroy Hill.
We freed up some cap space by trading Peters, so why not use it at a position of need?

Hopefully we'll be able to move back into the 3rd, and maybe pick a TE (Nelson/Cook)

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 12:01 PM
Personally I absolutely LOVE what the Bills did on Day 1. I really really liked every single player we drafted. This does not happen often with the guys we draft but I liked all of them as prospects. Hopefully we can continue it today in just about 6 picks from now.

ruthlessrussian
04-26-2009, 12:45 PM
I'm with you on this one Art. I'm really liking this draft especially with Nelson in the 4th. I still have mixed feelings on Maybin but the Bills obviously liked him so I'm going to trust he was the right guy. The rest of the draft has just been solid.

Leon Sandcastle
04-26-2009, 12:48 PM
Love the Shawn Nelson pick. Hopefully he can put on some good weight on an NFL program.

Now if we can sign LeRoy Hill we've filled all our needs nicely.

Dick Jauron kind of insinuated that Brad Butler might play T which is what I was hoping.

In 2010 I can see our Offensive Line looking like this...........

Demetrius Bell-LT
Eric Wood-LG
Geoff Hangartner-C
Andy LeVitre-RG
Brad Butler-RT

That line could kill if Bell develops like the Front Office and Coaching Staff thinks he can.

SuperMcGee
04-26-2009, 01:17 PM
No more Walker? Even a year from now, he's by far our best tackle and a very well liked guy in this organization.

fischbowl
04-26-2009, 01:35 PM
No more Walker? Even a year from now, he's by far our best tackle and a very well liked guy in this organization.

This is true, Walker will be a fixture in this line for at least the next three years like it or not

fischbowl
04-26-2009, 01:36 PM
Nic Harris is a nice experiment at LB.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 01:42 PM
Harris can play all over. The Bills definitely value versatility when drafting and signing players.

ruthlessrussian
04-26-2009, 03:46 PM
Cary Harris! Haha! I called this one in my last mock. The only pick I got right.

However now we are loaded at DB. I wonder if he'll make the cut..

BufFan71
04-26-2009, 04:36 PM
i got none of the picks right lol


i really do like our draft though

BuffaloBillsFan
04-26-2009, 04:53 PM
LT - Walker
LG - Wood
C- Hangartner
RG - Levitre
RT - Butler

That's how our OL will look.

SuperKevin
04-26-2009, 05:01 PM
LT - Walker
LG - Wood
C- Hangartner
RG - Levitre
RT - Butler

That's how our OL will look.

I'd switch Wood and Hangartner

SuperKevin
04-26-2009, 05:02 PM
Ellis Lankster :(

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 05:14 PM
The silver lining of drafting these CB's means that there is hope that that POS Drayton Florence does not make the team. Hopefully he is our Will James of last year.

Bills2083
04-26-2009, 06:32 PM
I'd switch Wood and Hangartner

I would too, but Russ Brandon already said that they'll start Wood out at guard.

ruthlessrussian
04-26-2009, 08:18 PM
I know it's irrellavent at this point, but do you guys think we would have taken Mack at 28 over Wood if he fell that far?

I like what we got but I was really hoping for Mack after Pettigrew was picked.

TheBuffaloBills
04-26-2009, 08:20 PM
Man, I wish we took Clinton McDonald, DT, with our last pick.

Rob S
04-26-2009, 08:25 PM
solid draft......dont feel like writing too much right now, but it was a good effort. Nelson made it for me. I fully expect us to go after levi jones btw.

I am think the OL will shake out:

Levi Jones
Eric Wood
Geoff Hangartner
Brad Butler
Langston Walker

with Levitre for depth.

Crickett
04-26-2009, 08:28 PM
solid draft......dont feel like writing too much right now, but it was a good effort. Nelson made it for me. I fully expect us to go after levi jones btw.

I am think the OL will shake out:

Levi Jones
Eric Wood
Geoff Hangartner
Brad Butler
Langston Walker

with Levitre for depth.

...........

Is Levi Jones a Bill? :confused:

Leon Sandcastle
04-27-2009, 12:20 AM
John Clayton is reporting that the Bills will probably be one of his suitors after he is cut with the Bengals.

They drafted Andre Smith so the writing is on the wall there. He'd be a good signing.

fischbowl
04-27-2009, 09:43 AM
By the way, I ******* love Ellis Lankster. I'm preordering my jersey

Rob S
04-27-2009, 05:26 PM
...........

Is Levi Jones a Bill? :confused:

its a prediction

hosler427
04-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Hey guys...relatively new to the board here (been lurking and reading a long time). Anyways, I am mostly a Giants fan but I have followed the Bills closely for the last 5 years or so and I always root for them. I think it was a solid draft. I do find it interesting that they didn't get an OT early on but they must have had a plan from the beginning before the Peters trade. Overall good draft and I love the Nelson pick!

SuperKevin
04-28-2009, 03:54 PM
Hey guys...relatively new to the board here (been lurking and reading a long time). Anyways, I am mostly a Giants fan but I have followed the Bills closely for the last 5 years or so and I always root for them. I think it was a solid draft. I do find it interesting that they didn't get an OT early on but they must have had a plan from the beginning before the Peters trade. Overall good draft and I love the Nelson pick!

I think the team is obviously comfortable enough with Langston Walker and our young development OTs to the point where they can get by this year so we can draft an OT next year in what should be a stronger overall draft. I mean Trent Williams, Ciron Black, Russell Okung, and Adam Ulatowski are all damn good OTs for next year

Iamcanadian
04-29-2009, 05:07 AM
I think the team is obviously comfortable enough with Langston Walker and our young development OTs to the point where they can get by this year so we can draft an OT next year in what should be a stronger overall draft. I mean Trent Williams, Ciron Black, Russell Okung, and Adam Ulatowski are all damn good OTs for next year

Our OL isn't going to get us by this year. It is simply one of the worst in the NFL and Edwards will be running for his life from day 1. With the trading of Peters, our offense took a deep nosedive and will really struggle to move the ball. We will have to be very lucky to match last year's 7-9 record.

Poz51
04-29-2009, 09:21 AM
It has been a very interesting off-season for the Bills, first they sign Owens, then trade Peters, and then came the draft... Round one - Maybin, a situational pass rusher for now... Why not Oher?? Orakpo... I am not sold on, but I dont get passing on Oher, who the Ravens snatched up so fast after the Lions passed it was obsurd... Maybin makes me very nervous, one year wonder? He slowed down significantly as he put on weight in the off season, he could be great, or he could be horrible... Round 1A - Eric Wood, love the player, word is New England wanted him in the top of round 2... Nasty, intelligent, blue collar, and wether he plays gaurd or center a great pick up... Round 2 brought Jarius Byrd who will hopefully be the safety Ko "I am Ko Simpson Bee-atches" Simpson failed to be... A ball hawk at Oregon, timed speed is less than stellar, but he played faster in college, and his football speed is very good... Round 2A - Andy Levtre a tough, physical, technically sound player with "short arms" who was a tackle, and is gonna be a gaurd for the Bills... I love picking up Wood and Levitre to man the middle, but Butler was solid, and sliding him to right tackle, and walker to left might work out, but with Oher on the board, and the way the draft worked out, they could have Taken Oher first, Maybin (might have still been available) 1b, or Wood 1b, Everette Brown in the second, and still taken Levitre 2b after a trade... Love the pick up of Nelson in the 4th round, Harris in the 5th was a solid pick up, especially if he can add a little weight, the transition should not be that hard for him... The corners Harris, and Lankster were wasted picks, I would think with MeGee, KcKelvin, Youboty, Corner, Florence, and Fox we would be ok... Anyway, it should be an interesting year! I know there are Bills fans in here, just wanted to get some discussion going....

TitleTown088
04-29-2009, 05:12 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h225/jharver/Wood.jpg http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h225/jharver/BadSantaKid.jpg

SuperMcGee
04-29-2009, 06:44 PM
Wow, I couldn't think of exactly who he reminded me of, but that's pretty spot on.
He should've worn the sleeveless Bills shirt to the presser. I would've found a way to get his jersey immediately. My favorite pick from our draft.

SuperMcGee
04-29-2009, 06:58 PM
It has been a very interesting off-season for the Bills, first they sign Owens, then trade Peters, and then came the draft... Round one - Maybin, a situational pass rusher for now... Why not Oher?? Orakpo... I am not sold on, but I dont get passing on Oher, who the Ravens snatched up so fast after the Lions passed it was obsurd... Maybin makes me very nervous, one year wonder? He slowed down significantly as he put on weight in the off season, he could be great, or he could be horrible... Round 1A - Eric Wood, love the player, word is New England wanted him in the top of round 2... Nasty, intelligent, blue collar, and wether he plays gaurd or center a great pick up... Round 2 brought Jarius Byrd who will hopefully be the safety Ko "I am Ko Simpson Bee-atches" Simpson failed to be... A ball hawk at Oregon, timed speed is less than stellar, but he played faster in college, and his football speed is very good... Round 2A - Andy Levtre a tough, physical, technically sound player with "short arms" who was a tackle, and is gonna be a gaurd for the Bills... I love picking up Wood and Levitre to man the middle, but Butler was solid, and sliding him to right tackle, and walker to left might work out, but with Oher on the board, and the way the draft worked out, they could have Taken Oher first, Maybin (might have still been available) 1b, or Wood 1b, Everette Brown in the second, and still taken Levitre 2b after a trade... Love the pick up of Nelson in the 4th round, Harris in the 5th was a solid pick up, especially if he can add a little weight, the transition should not be that hard for him... The corners Harris, and Lankster were wasted picks, I would think with MeGee, KcKelvin, Youboty, Corner, Florence, and Fox we would be ok... Anyway, it should be an interesting year! I know there are Bills fans in here, just wanted to get some discussion going....

Yeah, I pretty much feel the same on all of those points. Rounds 5-7 I'm iffy on as a whole, although I do like Cary. I'm actually iffy on our whole defensive draft. I wouldn't have minded one corner but two was too much for me. We're still not sure who is even safe on the roster outside of McGee and McKelvin, but I had other ideas into round 7.
Wood is fantastic and Levitre should be good, even if he doesn't crack the starting lineup immediately.
Nelson in the 4th was good. Still no blocking TE, though. At least we have Cory McIntyre :(

ruthlessrussian
04-29-2009, 08:21 PM
Nelson in the 4th was good. Still no blocking TE, though. At least we have Cory McIntyre :(

We're just waiting on Gresham, thats all. Let's just hope we're trading down to get him.

or Mays.. Berry.... Dunlap....

B)

Rob S
04-30-2009, 02:06 PM
We're just waiting on Gresham, thats all. Let's just hope we're trading down to get him.

or Mays.. Berry.... Dunlap....

B)

Im thinking byrd is gonna move to FS so no we seem set there with him and Whitner. I do love me some Berry tho.......

fischbowl
05-01-2009, 08:31 AM
Im thinking byrd is gonna move to FS so no we seem set there with him and Whitner. I do love me some Berry tho.......

ooo Eric Berry, I like. So many players I want next year, Eric Decker, Eric Berry, Naaman Roosevelt (oooo Naaaammaaaannnn), Vince Oghobaase, Rob Gronkowski

ruthlessrussian
05-01-2009, 10:07 AM
ooo Eric Berry, I like. So many players I want next year, Eric Decker, Eric Berry, Naaman Roosevelt (oooo Naaaammaaaannnn), Vince Oghobaase, Rob Gronkowski

Gerald F*****G McCoy! I can't wait for next year!

Anyway. Something current.

Joel Bell. OT from Furman -- Im pretty glad we were able to pick this guy up. Not really anything to be too excited about but I think he has a good chance of making the team ps at the very least. Really good size with not that many negatives on his bio. Interesting...

fischbowl
05-01-2009, 10:26 AM
Gerald F*****G McCoy! I can't wait for next year!

Anyway. Something current.

Joel Bell. OT from Furman -- Im pretty glad we were able to pick this guy up. Not really anything to be too excited about but I think he has a good chance of making the team ps at the very least. Really good size with not that many negatives on his bio. Interesting...

Anyone else predict twin Bells starting at tackle in two years?

SuperMcGee
05-01-2009, 11:02 AM
ooo Eric Berry, I like. So many players I want next year, Eric Decker, Eric Berry, Naaman Roosevelt (oooo Naaaammaaaannnn), Vince Oghobaase, Rob Gronkowski

Berry
Gronkowski
Naaman
Starks
**** it, grab Mike Newton, too

The perfect draft!

Datruth
05-01-2009, 04:52 PM
solid draft......dont feel like writing too much right now, but it was a good effort. Nelson made it for me. I fully expect us to go after levi jones btw.

I am think the OL will shake out:

Levi Jones
Eric Wood
Geoff Hangartner
Brad Butler
Langston Walker

with Levitre for depth.

it would have to be Levitre at left guard if theis happened.

Levi Jones
Levitre
Eric Wood
Brad Butler
Langston Walker

Geoff Hangartner is a backup

Datruth
05-01-2009, 04:56 PM
Im thinking byrd is gonna move to FS so no we seem set there with him and Whitner. I do love me some Berry tho.......

Bills are startying to realize Whitner is a bust and he's on his way out.

Bills2083
05-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Bills are startying to realize Whitner is a bust and he's on his way out.

I don't think this is the case.
They are keeping Whitner at SS, with Byrd at FS.
If anything, they have realized that Wilson/Simpson are not the answer there.

I do however hope Whitner steps it up big time this season...

Bills2083
05-01-2009, 10:03 PM
Here are some pictures from the minicamp...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/buf/photos/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,getty:20050301:nfl,phot o,55cad251a7e9d2e81aec9161e7b5033f-getty-86246475rs017_buffalo_bills:1#photoViewer=urn%3Ane wsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Cgetty%3A20050301%3Anfl%2Cpho to%2C6de62fe53b2d5a61a5573393bb64cefd-getty-86246475rs022_buffalo_bills%3A1

fischbowl
05-02-2009, 12:32 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/ec/fullj.8cd553c05a2715496d2925c5b1d7bd80/8cd553c05a2715496d2925c5b1d7bd80-getty-86246475rs015_buffalo_bills.jpg

Awesome

Rob S
05-02-2009, 06:25 PM
it would have to be Levitre at left guard if theis happened.

Levi Jones
Levitre
Eric Wood
Brad Butler
Langston Walker

Geoff Hangartner is a backup

thats not what the bills are thinking. They actually really like him. So I dont see what your getting at there.

By the way: Bills are bringing back the no huddle! I think I saw it on the ESPN AFC east blog. Some good quotes from Sam Wyche praising it and saying we have the talent.........I tend to agree actually.

SuperMcGee
05-02-2009, 09:23 PM
Culler Harper is in camp?

I'd like to see him make it to TC, but I guess he's looked pretty awful so far.

fischbowl
05-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Culler Harper is in camp?

I'd like to see him make it to TC, but I guess he's looked pretty awful so far.

Really? I didn't see his name on any list. Whatever, competition for Matt Baker for the 3rd spot.

I really really want to see Travis McCall learn long snapping, would be a good fit

SuperMcGee
05-02-2009, 09:36 PM
Really? I didn't see his name on any list. Whatever, competition for Matt Baker for the 3rd spot.

I really really want to see Travis McCall learn long snapping, would be a good fit

You mean 4th spot (aka slightest chance at the practice squad)

Edwards
Fitzpatrick
Hamdan

fischbowl
05-02-2009, 09:39 PM
You mean 4th spot (aka slightest chance at the practice squad)

Edwards
Fitzpatrick
Hamdan

Ahh, Hamdan. How could I forget the sexy?

fischbowl
05-02-2009, 09:43 PM
Rookie Numbers:

Aaron Maybin #58
Eric Wood #70
Jairus Byrd #31
Andy Levitre #67
Shawn Nelson #89
Nic Harris #49
Cary Harris #47
Ellis The Sex Lankster #46

Rob S
05-03-2009, 11:34 AM
Rookie Numbers:

Aaron Maybin #58
Eric Wood #70
Jairus Byrd #31
Andy Levitre #67
Shawn Nelson #89
Nic Harris #49
Cary Harris #47
Ellis The Sex Lankster #46

As team leader I declare this his official nickname.......any time his name is used, it must include his nickname or I will edit it to make it so :)

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 12:16 PM
As team leader I declare this his official nickname.......any time his name is used, it must include his nickname or I will edit it to make it so :)

I am 100% in support of this motion

Vox Populi
05-03-2009, 02:40 PM
I think this was an absolutely terrible offseason for the Bills.

Pick up a malcontent WR for a year
Lose a top 5 Left Tackle
Let Nickle/#2 CB go
--
Pick up no one on defense
Draft interior OL

The only thing we did that I liked was draft Shawn Nelson. I'll take him in the 4th over Pettigrew in the 1st. I wish we picked up Oher with #11 though. We'd be looking damn fine for the future with this:

Oher/Walker - Wood - Hangartner - Levitre - Walker/Oher

Thats 3 talented young linemen for the future. I really like the Wood pick, not going to lie about that. Hes going to be a beast I think. We really didn't improve this offseason though, the only place we improved was at tight-end and receiver, and the receiver will only be around for a year and could **** things up while hes around. We'll be 6-10 to 9-7 next year. We should do better in the division though.

Rob S
05-03-2009, 02:46 PM
I think this was an absolutely terrible offseason for the Bills.

Pick up a malcontent WR for a year
Lose a top 5 Left Tackle
Let Nickle/#2 CB go
--
Pick up no one on defense
Draft interior OL

The only thing we did that I liked was draft Shawn Nelson. I'll take him in the 4th over Pettigrew in the 1st. I wish we picked up Oher with #11 though. We'd be looking damn fine for the future with this:

Oher/Walker - Wood - Hangartner - Levitre - Walker/Oher

Thats 3 talented young linemen for the future. I really like the Wood pick, not going to lie about that. Hes going to be a beast I think. We really didn't improve this offseason though, the only place we improved was at tight-end and receiver, and the receiver will only be around for a year and could **** things up while hes around. We'll be 6-10 to 9-7 next year. We should do better in the division though.

So you would have taken Oher-Wood-Levitre with 3 of our first 4? Thats a bit of overkill imo......we were in DESPERATE need of a pass rusher.

And we drafted "The Sex" so it was an auto epic win.

Rob S
05-03-2009, 02:48 PM
I am 100% in support of this motion

you should get him on a sig fisch

SuperMcGee
05-03-2009, 03:00 PM
I think this was an absolutely terrible offseason for the Bills.

Pick up a malcontent WR for a year
Lose a top 5 Left Tackle
Let Nickle/#2 CB go
--
Pick up no one on defense
Draft interior OL

The only thing we did that I liked was draft Shawn Nelson. I'll take him in the 4th over Pettigrew in the 1st. I wish we picked up Oher with #11 though. We'd be looking damn fine for the future with this:

Oher/Walker - Wood - Hangartner - Levitre - Walker/Oher

Thats 3 talented young linemen for the future. I really like the Wood pick, not going to lie about that. Hes going to be a beast I think. We really didn't improve this offseason though, the only place we improved was at tight-end and receiver, and the receiver will only be around for a year and could **** things up while hes around. We'll be 6-10 to 9-7 next year. We should do better in the division though.

I take it you're not a Maybin fan. Not a mention of our top pick in there.
I can't disagree with being upset that our only defensive signings were Pat Thomas and Drayton Florence, who pretty much blow. The #11 and #42 picks should help us, though neither is guaranteed to get a lot of time early on.

I don't see the Owens signing as a negative. I'll eat some crow if Edwards melts down, but he's a huge improvement and I love having him during this time that Hardy certainly won't be breaking out.

The Peters situation was difficult. We got young line help in return, but it really hurts us at a most important position.
I was also on the Oher bandwagon at #11. I don't like having to rely on Walker-Butler/Chambers. I'm hoping for the best, they're big guys that have been solid contributors on our line, but these position changes have me worried.

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 04:30 PM
you should get him on a sig fisch

Maybe Rob, I promised to sport the Neill sig until he gets cut or even dies, so we'll see.

I take it you're not a Maybin fan. Not a mention of our top pick in there.
I can't disagree with being upset that our only defensive signings were Pat Thomas and Drayton Florence, who pretty much blow. The #11 and #42 picks should help us, though neither is guaranteed to get a lot of time early on.

I don't see the Owens signing as a negative. I'll eat some crow if Edwards melts down, but he's a huge improvement and I love having him during this time that Hardy certainly won't be breaking out.

The Peters situation was difficult. We got young line help in return, but it really hurts us at a most important position.
I was also on the Oher bandwagon at #11. I don't like having to rely on Walker-Butler/Chambers. I'm hoping for the best, they're big guys that have been solid contributors on our line, but these position changes have me worried.

No matter how Owens shores up the offense, he's still a locker room distraction. And with team leaders such as Jabari being gone and the possibility of George Wilson being cut, I could see team chemistry being a problem.

I wouldn't say I was on the Oher bandwagon but most definitely I wouldn't be discontent with the pick at all. And Vox, you can't assume that the rest of the first day would've gone the same way, that's just stupid.

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 04:54 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090501/capt.e11609bfbf7846cca9b4829214a97a6c.bills_camp_f ootball_nydd108.jpg

Who is that black QB?

Vox Populi
05-03-2009, 05:52 PM
Maybe Rob, I promised to sport the Neill sig until he gets cut or even dies, so we'll see.



No matter how Owens shores up the offense, he's still a locker room distraction. And with team leaders such as Jabari being gone and the possibility of George Wilson being cut, I could see team chemistry being a problem.

I wouldn't say I was on the Oher bandwagon but most definitely I wouldn't be discontent with the pick at all. And Vox, you can't assume that the rest of the first day would've gone the same way, that's just stupid.

Well no kidding, I'm just saying if I could change one of the selections and pick someone else who was still available at the time I'd do Oher over Maybin every day of the week.

And yeah, I don't have much confidence in Maybin, I had him rated behind English, Orakpo and Everette Brown. Ideally, we would have traded down at that spot to 15 or something and picked up Larry English (Yeah, I had him as my highest rated End), Pettigrew or Oher at that spot where they'd be more palatable.

I'm really big on the Wood and Nelson picks though, of course. I had Wood rated as my top center and guard and thought Nelson would go in round two. The Nic Harris pick was nice too. Bobby April should be able to turn him into a Special Teams monster until he is capable of playing Linebacker even as a backup for us.

I didn't like the Byrd pick at all, way too early for us to be picking up a corner, and now that I've got the ability to use hindsight, we could have picked up some good nickel backs a lot later in the draft too. LeVitre was my 2nd guard on the board, so we cleaned up there and should have two new starters on day one out of him and Wood.

Cary Harris and Ellis "The Sex" Lankster seem like wasted picks to me. We've already got a bunch of bodies with experience in the defensive backfield who are pretty easy contracts to hold, we should have at gone after another player in the trenches with those picks. A.Q. Shipley or Jonathan Luigs would have been good pickups late, Lydon Murtha as well. Will Davis (DE Illinois) would have been a great pickup in the 6th as well if we were looking there with the pick.

Basically, not a fan of the Maybin, Byrd, Cary Harris or "The Sex"Lankster picks based on who was available. The Wood, LeVitre, Harris and Nelson picks were great though. Obviously I have different ideas as to what the Bills needed and who the BPA's were, but I'm not that impressed with our draft.

SuperKevin
05-03-2009, 07:29 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090501/capt.e11609bfbf7846cca9b4829214a97a6c.bills_camp_f ootball_nydd108.jpg

Who is that black QB?

Daniel Polk 6'1" 202 lb QB from Midwestern State

Rob S
05-03-2009, 08:02 PM
Maybe Rob, I promised to sport the Neill sig until he gets cut or even dies, so we'll see.

Imagine if "The Sex" can long snap.

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 08:14 PM
Daniel Polk 6'1" 202 lb QB from Midwestern State

Thanks Kevin, didn't see his name on any roster. I see he played WR, maybe our slash?

I'm intrigued by the signing of Gerald Washington, DE, formerly of USC. 6'7'', 318, ex-TE. He's 27 though, but I'll be looking forward to seeing what he can offer

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 08:14 PM
Imagine if "The Sex" can long snap.

That would totally be "The Sex". Greatness

SuperKevin
05-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Thanks Kevin, didn't see his name on any roster. I see he played WR, maybe our slash?

I'm intrigued by the signing of Gerald Washington, DE, formerly of USC. 6'7'', 318, ex-TE. He's 27 though, but I'll be looking forward to seeing what he can offer

He was on the list of 30 tryout players. He's the only black QB so it's him by default

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 08:22 PM
He was on the list of 30 tryout players. He's the only black QB so it's him by default

Ahh found the list:

TE Cody Boyd – 6’8” 266 – Washington St.
LB Derek Burrell – 6’1” 229 – Kent St.
OL Ryan Considine – 6’4” 300 – Louisiana Tech
RB Rashad Cummings – 5’8” 203 – North Greenville
WR Jon Davis – 6’3” 210 – Azusa Pacific
RB Mike Davis – 5’9” 202 – South Carolina
DB Dante Dunn – 5’9” 186 – Wayne St.
LB Solomon Elimimian – 5’11” 225 - Hawaii
DE Ataefiok Etukeren – 6’3” 240 – Georgetown
WR De’cody Fagg – 6’1” 211 – Florida St.
WR Bradon Godfrey – 6’3” 201 – Utah
RB Justice Hairston – 6’1” 225 – Central Conn. St.
QB Cullen Harper – 6’2” 217 – Clemson
DB Tyrrell Herbert – 6’0” 200 – Toledo
TE Nate Lawrie – 6’6” 264 – Yale
OL Joe Longacre – 6’4” 307 – Arizona
OL Nick Marshman – 6’5” 358 – Virginia Tech
K/P Richmond McGee – 6’4” 207 – Texas
DE Jermaine McGhee – 6’2” 257 - Prairie View A&M
LB Joe Mortensen – 6’0” 240 – Kansas
WR Alonzo Phillips – 6’0” 190 – Florida International
QB Daniel Polk – 6’1” 202 – Midwestern St.
DB Erik Robinson – 5’11” 190 – Hawaii
QB Gary Rogers – 6’5” 243 – Washington St.
LS Garrison Sanborn – 6’0” 240 – Florida St.
DE Daman Suggs – 6’2” 251 – Georgia Southern
WR Dominique Thompson – 5’11” 206 – William & Mary
DB Kyle Ward – 6’1” 198 – Louisiana-Lafayette
RB Maurice Wells – 5’9” 190 – Ohio State
DB Rob Wilson – 5’10” 211 – Miami-Ohio

Very interesting to see Garrison Sanborn on the list. Was the second best LS coming out last year, behind Tim Bugg. I like Considine and Herbert as well. I remember Justise Hairston being an intriguing prospect, I think Fly liked him a lot Kevin, and he is a former 6th Round Pick

SuperKevin
05-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Ahh found the list:

TE Cody Boyd – 6’8” 266 – Washington St.
LB Derek Burrell – 6’1” 229 – Kent St.
OL Ryan Considine – 6’4” 300 – Louisiana Tech
RB Rashad Cummings – 5’8” 203 – North Greenville
WR Jon Davis – 6’3” 210 – Azusa Pacific
RB Mike Davis – 5’9” 202 – South Carolina
DB Dante Dunn – 5’9” 186 – Wayne St.
LB Solomon Elimimian – 5’11” 225 - Hawaii
DE Ataefiok Etukeren – 6’3” 240 – Georgetown
WR De’cody Fagg – 6’1” 211 – Florida St.
WR Bradon Godfrey – 6’3” 201 – Utah
RB Justice Hairston – 6’1” 225 – Central Conn. St.
QB Cullen Harper – 6’2” 217 – Clemson
DB Tyrrell Herbert – 6’0” 200 – Toledo
TE Nate Lawrie – 6’6” 264 – Yale
OL Joe Longacre – 6’4” 307 – Arizona
OL Nick Marshman – 6’5” 358 – Virginia Tech
K/P Richmond McGee – 6’4” 207 – Texas
DE Jermaine McGhee – 6’2” 257 - Prairie View A&M
LB Joe Mortensen – 6’0” 240 – Kansas
WR Alonzo Phillips – 6’0” 190 – Florida International
QB Daniel Polk – 6’1” 202 – Midwestern St.
DB Erik Robinson – 5’11” 190 – Hawaii
QB Gary Rogers – 6’5” 243 – Washington St.
LS Garrison Sanborn – 6’0” 240 – Florida St.
DE Daman Suggs – 6’2” 251 – Georgia Southern
WR Dominique Thompson – 5’11” 206 – William & Mary
DB Kyle Ward – 6’1” 198 – Louisiana-Lafayette
RB Maurice Wells – 5’9” 190 – Ohio State
DB Rob Wilson – 5’10” 211 – Miami-Ohio

Very interesting to see Garrison Sanborn on the list. Was the second best LS coming out last year, behind Tim Bugg. I like Considine and Herbert as well. I remember Justise Hairston being an intriguing prospect, I think Fly liked him a lot Kevin, and he is a former 6th Round Pick

Hairston was a former Rutgers RB too. He was pretty solid

Rob S
05-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Fagg is interesting in addition to the guys you mentioned

fischbowl
05-03-2009, 08:28 PM
Hairston was a former Rutgers RB too. He was pretty solid

6'1'', 225, 4.5 40 time apparently. Interesting sign, will have to do a lot to break Rhodes/Omon/Hall

Bills2083
05-03-2009, 09:13 PM
6'1'', 225, 4.5 40 time apparently. Interesting sign, will have to do a lot to break Rhodes/Omon/Hall

Do any of you know anything about him?
Or should I go ask scotty? :)

Biscuit
05-05-2009, 10:28 AM
Just to add a few of my comments regarding the Bills Draft:

Round 1 (#11): Maybin, I love his professional demeanor. He is a classy player. He is not a three down player yet and his success will be greatly dependent upon when and how he is used this year. It's in the coaches hands now. With Schobel and Maybin on the ends greatly exposes the edges to running plays. Maybin's first steps are Javon Kearse quick, but he is still undeveloped, he doesn't currently have the inside moves to keep lineman off balance. I hope that his impact is much greater then what the majority of defensive ends have historically shown in their rookie years. I would have preferred OL here, but the draft unfolded as such to warrant the Maybin pick.

Round 1 (#28) and 2 (#42): Wood and Levitre. Love the picks. Finally the Bills have addressed the offensive lines, early and often. This is several years too late, but finally they began working on the interior and love the intelligence level of the line to which all have also been described with having a mean streak. Relieved that Levitre was acquired without sacrificing future picks. This made the draft for me.

Round 2 (#42): Byrd. The biggest problem I have with the Jairus Bird pick is what happened at the next pick. Not the selection of Everette Brown, but that San Francisco was able to get Carolina's first round pick in the 2010 draft for the second round pick and a fourth-rounder (111th overall). A Carolina team which is quarterbacked by Jake Delhomme. Jairus is a slower version of Malcolm Jenkins, and he is being converted to free safety. He has tremendous ball skills, is tough, but he ran so poorly leading up to the draft. Given that free safety, nor cornerback was a pressing need for the Bills, I would rather have had them use the opportunity to trade a second rounder and acquire a future first rounder. I would much rather have had the opportunity to select (or have picks to trade and acquire) a much better player today, in Eric Berry from Tennessee next year. Free Safety is just not viewed as a position of high demand in the NFL. The Bills made Super Bowls with Mark Kelso as their free safety.

Round 4 (#121): Nelson. Love the pick. Great value. The end.

Round 5 (#147): Nic Harris. Hate the pick. If they wanted someone like Cato June, why not just sign Cato June?! Harris' speed was bad and as a result is changing positions. I also question who and where he was going to get drafted because of his poor size, weight speed ratio for the safety and LB position. Furthermore, what makes me hate the pick the most is who was on the board, both Ingram and Casey. So we drafted Nelson, is there a problem to be deep at TE's who can work the seam? Develop Ingram like you are developing Harris. There is no competition at the TE roster spot, unlike the secondary. The three TE roster spots are already set in April! Houston already has Owen Daniels but essentially got a similar player by taking Casey. The Bills should have taken one of Ingram or Casey and hedge against Nelson and push all TE's on the roster.

Round 6 & 7: The cornerbacks. Enough already! Are the Bills again showing their cards that they will not resign McGee and/or Youboty next year? They need to aggressively shop one or both if that is the case. The Bills need to stop the revolving door process, losing starting corners to be replaced with draft picks to be lost again. The vicious cycle needs to stop. That philosophy has shown to be a recipe for mediocrity. Contrary to what Jauron says, you can have enough cornerbacks when you are 5 deep and especially have enough when you can make a compelling argument that you are not even 5 deep on the offensive line. Having a secondary now made up of a #8, #11, a second rounder, a third rounder and two fourth rounders drafted in the last 4 years, not even including McGee another fourth rounder, is excessive in my opinion, especially when the team went 7 years without spending a first day pick on an offensive lineman.

art vandelay
05-05-2009, 05:14 PM
We signed Sanborn!! Rejoice. Neill's days could be coming to an end...

fischbowl
05-05-2009, 07:37 PM
We signed Sanborn!! Rejoice. Neill's days could be coming to an end...

Me......

http://i41.tinypic.com/noyphh.jpg

Rob S
05-07-2009, 12:38 PM
jizzed in his pants.....

SuperKevin
05-07-2009, 05:21 PM
Aaron Maybin better work out because I'm going to be mad if we wasted a 1st rounder on him this year when there is an amazing DE class in 2010.

Rob S
05-07-2009, 11:15 PM
Aaron Maybin better work out because I'm going to be mad if we wasted a 1st rounder on him this year when there is an amazing DE class in 2010.

I agree, next years class is amazing. That said, I really think this team wants to make a bigtime run at the playoffs this year (idk if they can, but that seems to be the goal). If that is the plan, we absolutely needed to address our pass rush because if you cant get to the QB, you make life way harder on everyone on D. Aaron Maybin was the best pure pass rusher in the draft (not best DE imo, but best pass rusher) and therefore he was the fit. Now, I think he is going to have a tough time being a 3 down player with his size (altho he has showed some serious dedication with the weight gain), but he should be an absolute terror off the edge on third down (his first step is out of this world). There is no question our D was in desperate need of that. Now, the question is.....if that is all you get out of the #11 draft choice, is it good enough? I don't know.....I guess it depends just how good he is in that situation. You would of course prefer a guy that can go out there every down, but football is a situational game and a dynamic pass rusher on 3rd down is arguably the most critical situational defensive aspect of an NFL game. If he can be that terror on 3rd down, I personally would be content with the pick.....if he grows into a 3 down player it is one for the ages because that really is the only reason he fell.....that first step is special. I guess we just need to wait and see......like in all cases with the draft. Hopefully we find out sooner rather than later and he starts by flattening out Tom Brady week one on MNF.

Iamcanadian
05-08-2009, 06:40 AM
[QUOTE=Rob S;1652667]I agree, next years class is amazing. That said, I really think this team wants to make a bigtime run at the playoffs this year (idk if they can, but that seems to be the goal).

If they were serious about any attempt at a run, they pay Peters and keep him happy. I'd rate our OL as pretty bad without Peters and I cannot see how they can make a significant run, in fact, I think they have serious problems winning 7 games again. What good is it signing Owens if Edwards is running for his life and has no time to throw the ball. Peters was also a solid run blocker and his loss will affect Lynch as well.
Teams just NEVER get rid of their LT's unless age is a factor and Buffalo's unwillingness to keep Peters happy, leaves a huge hole in the OL and you don't make playoff runs operating this way.

Rob S
05-08-2009, 08:56 AM
[QUOTE=Rob S;1652667]I agree, next years class is amazing. That said, I really think this team wants to make a bigtime run at the playoffs this year (idk if they can, but that seems to be the goal).

If they were serious about any attempt at a run, they pay Peters and keep him happy. I'd rate our OL as pretty bad without Peters and I cannot see how they can make a significant run, in fact, I think they have serious problems winning 7 games again. What good is it signing Owens if Edwards is running for his life and has no time to throw the ball. Peters was also a solid run blocker and his loss will affect Lynch as well.
Teams just NEVER get rid of their LT's unless age is a factor and Buffalo's unwillingness to keep Peters happy, leaves a huge hole in the OL and you don't make playoff runs operating this way.

I am sure they wanted to keep Peters, but in the long run you dont pay a guy as the best LT in the league when you dont think he is: its simple. Just because they want to make a run doesnt mean they lock themselves into what could be one of the worst contracts in football if Peters plays like he did last year. Sorry, I'm not buying the Peters argument. I think making the playoffs is an immediate goal for the Bills (that is pretty clear with the TO signing) and I think they wanted to get Peters back. The fact is, whether winning now is your goal or not, you can't justify paying top LT money to someone you don't believe was going to play up to it, especially Buffalo where money is at a premium. They must have not been high on Peters as a top 3 LT in the NFL and if that is there assessment, fine: it was the right move regardless of their goals.

***To clear it up: I am in no way saying we will be better without Peters, we won't. However, I am saying that regardless of what a teams goal is, some decisions have too high of a catastrophic potential to make even when they fit your goals nicely. I think the Bills clearly felt this was one of them when they combined Peters' play last year and his attitude.

SuperKevin
05-08-2009, 09:01 AM
I'll admit we'll likely take a step back this year with the possibility of having 5 new starters on the OL. My only hope is that they don't blame the issues on Edwards(even though I don't think he's a franchise QB) because then we'll have to start all over again in 2010.

Biscuit
05-08-2009, 09:07 AM
I'm really impressed with Maybin as a person and his first step but my expectations are low for him. He is after all a defensive end and rookie defensive ends just don't have a significant impact year one. His speed will eventually be negated when teams see what he does and scheme against it. It will be his ability to develop inside moves to keep OL off balance is what will truly make him an excellent pass rusher. If he can develop it quickly as a rookie, he will have a significant impact year one. Coaching will have to put him in the right places at the right time since he is in a 4-3, and not an OLB in a 3-4. If he and Schobel are in at the same time, the edges are exposed for rushes.

I do not like that Ellis, if he does not emerge, is a wasted third rounder. Right now the RDE is three deep with Maybin, Schobel and Ellis. If Ellis can develop into at least the back-up to Maybin making Schobel and his contract expendable, great.

What I like about the 2010 draft is that there are DEs and DTs that are stout and can rush the passer (Dunlap, Griffen, Hardy, Graham etc.), therefore Buffalo should target a LDE in the draft next year to finally replace Kelsay (and his contract) and Denney who is a free agent. Johnson can be the depth and/or transition.

Furthermore, it's not like Buffalo plays in a controlled environment (like a dome). Speed in games like the one in Cleveland two years ago or the last game against the Patriots in the Wind Bowl gets negated when teams don't throw and pound the ball. Buffalo plays games, and if fortunate enough to make the playoffs, play games in inclement weather. Speed and quickness combined with technique and stoutness is what is ideal for a defensive end in Buffalo.

SuperKevin
05-08-2009, 09:10 AM
I'm really impressed with Maybin as a person and his first step but my expectations are low for him. He is after all a defensive end and rookie defensive ends just don't have a significant impact year one. His speed will eventually be negated when teams see what he does and scheme against it. It will be his ability to develop inside moves to keep OL off balance is what will truly make him an excellent pass rusher. If he can develop it quickly as a rookie, he will have a significant impact year one. Coaching will have to put him in the right places at the right time since he is in a 4-3, and not an OLB in a 3-4. If he and Schobel are in at the same time, the edges are exposed for rushes.

I do not like that Ellis, if he does not emerge, is a wasted third rounder. Right now the RDE is three deep with Maybin, Schobel and Ellis. If Ellis can develop into at least the back-up to Maybin making Schobel and his contract expendable, great.

What I like about the 2010 draft is that there are DEs and DTs that are stout and can rush the passer (Dunlap, Everson, Hardy, Griffen etc.), therefore Buffalo should target a LDE in the draft next year to finally replace Kelsay (and his contract) and Denney who is a free agent. Johnson can be the depth and/or transition.

Furthermore, it's not like Buffalo plays in a controlled environment (like a dome). Speed in games like the one in Cleveland two years ago or the last game against the Patriots in the Wind Bowl gets negated when teams don't throw and pound the ball. Buffalo plays games, and if fortunate enough to make the playoffs, play games in inclement weather. Speed and quickness combined with technique and stoutness is what is ideal for a defensive end in Buffalo.

I'll cry if Buffalo ever parts ways with Schobel in favor of Maybin or Chris Ellis

Rob S
05-08-2009, 12:44 PM
I'm really impressed with Maybin as a person and his first step but my expectations are low for him. He is after all a defensive end and rookie defensive ends just don't have a significant impact year one. His speed will eventually be negated when teams see what he does and scheme against it. It will be his ability to develop inside moves to keep OL off balance is what will truly make him an excellent pass rusher. If he can develop it quickly as a rookie, he will have a significant impact year one. Coaching will have to put him in the right places at the right time since he is in a 4-3, and not an OLB in a 3-4. If he and Schobel are in at the same time, the edges are exposed for rushes.

I do not like that Ellis, if he does not emerge, is a wasted third rounder. Right now the RDE is three deep with Maybin, Schobel and Ellis. If Ellis can develop into at least the back-up to Maybin making Schobel and his contract expendable, great.

What I like about the 2010 draft is that there are DEs and DTs that are stout and can rush the passer (Dunlap, Griffen, Hardy, Graham etc.), therefore Buffalo should target a LDE in the draft next year to finally replace Kelsay (and his contract) and Denney who is a free agent. Johnson can be the depth and/or transition.

Furthermore, it's not like Buffalo plays in a controlled environment (like a dome). Speed in games like the one in Cleveland two years ago or the last game against the Patriots in the Wind Bowl gets negated when teams don't throw and pound the ball. Buffalo plays games, and if fortunate enough to make the playoffs, play games in inclement weather. Speed and quickness combined with technique and stoutness is what is ideal for a defensive end in Buffalo.

Bolded section 1: I think that is obvious. The coaching staff knows he is a liability against the run and will need to be deployed creatively to make an impact this year. If the coaches don't know this they have no business being in football at any level.

Section 2: Schobel needs a big year imo. He needs to stay healthy and get consistent pressure on the QB. He has been underrated for a long time, but I think the reason a pass rusher was viewed as such a critical need was because the Bills have some doubts about Schobel ever being as effective as he once was. I dont think those concerns are unwarranted, this is a big year for Aaron.

Section 3: I wouldnt mind another DE at all. If any of you have read my philosophy on defense....I am all about rushing the QB. Especially with the playmakers we have in the secondary, it is critical we make QB's start forcing some throws. Whenever McKelvin or McGee has it, something good happens. With Byrd who has pretty good ballhawking skill at FS (potentially) we need that rush to be there to maximize our secondaries talent.

Section 4: That is really the case everywhere....its just hard to find a guy that is a beast against the run and can still get after the QB (maybe Rak was that guy, but obviously the Bills scouts didnt think so or he would have been the pick). It has nothing to do with the weather. I guess you could make an argument that the run game is more critical in Buffalo, but I dont really buy it. Of course you will get the occasional game where you cant throw it, but they are few and far between. I may even make the case that speed is more critical in games like that because one play can be the difference when there is such little scoring. I see your point here, dont get me wrong, I just think you are over-compensating for Buffalo weather especially considering half of our games are away anyway and most Buffalo games are played in fine conditions anyway.

Biscuit
05-08-2009, 03:47 PM
Bolded section 1: I think that is obvious. The coaching staff knows he is a liability against the run and will need to be deployed creatively to make an impact this year. If the coaches don't know this they have no business being in football at any level.

How creatively Maybin will deployed is the question since Buffalo runs a 4-3. We will also ignore the argument whether a rotational DE deserves the 11 pick overall in a draft. If they plan to confuse opponents with more zone blitz then maybe. They can employ the creep with him, but again his speed will be mitigated until he shows he can go inside. I can't see him at his current weight successfully stunting inside without getting washed out if engaged. You can be more creative with him in a 3-4 ... the 4-3 unfortunately limits the opportunities to hide him (that and Fewell is the Bills D coach which in itself is a handicap ... but digress).

Section 4: That is really the case everywhere....its just hard to find a guy that is a beast against the run and can still get after the QB (maybe Rak was that guy, but obviously the Bills scouts didnt think so or he would have been the pick). It has nothing to do with the weather. I guess you could make an argument that the run game is more critical in Buffalo, but I dont really buy it. Of course you will get the occasional game where you cant throw it, but they are few and far between. I may even make the case that speed is more critical in games like that because one play can be the difference when there is such little scoring. I see your point here, dont get me wrong, I just think you are over-compensating for Buffalo weather especially considering half of our games are away anyway and most Buffalo games are played in fine conditions anyway.

The team I primarily had in mind when I wrote that is Indy. Indy does not necessarily need stoutness on the edge because of the speed they can bring eight games a season on a fast track inside a dome. Teams in the south also benefit. In Buffalo, a lot has to do with the weather, because as you note, at minimum an "occasional game" will get affected by it. In a 16 game season, occasional, inclement weather games will have an impact on the entire season. The Bills play in a division in the North East. Home playoff games will also be affected by this weather, which should be the goal of this team. Makes no sense to build a team strictly on speed which can mitigated by the occasional and inevitable forces they have no control over.

fischbowl
05-08-2009, 05:20 PM
Rob, we're still relatively deep at DE. Copeland Bryan is only 25 and he impressed me a lot as a backup last year. Of course add in Denney to the mix and Gerald Washington and that's great depth.

Rob S
05-08-2009, 07:27 PM
Rob, we're still relatively deep at DE. Copeland Bryan is only 25 and he impressed me a lot as a backup last year. Of course add in Denney to the mix and Gerald Washington and that's great depth.

I like the depth, no argument there. However, I feel that DE is probably the most important position on defense (run-stuffing DT is huge too). Having 2 studs at DE is a absolutely awesome......I dont think we even have one sure fire stud right now with Maybin and Schobel both question marks imo. So, thats why I wouldnt mind DE......we have the quantity, but I'm not sold on the quality (mainly due to the importance of the position and my severe doubts about aaron).

On the defensive side of the ball I just really believe the trenches can do the work for you. LBers are a dime a dozen in the 4-3 and are incredibly overrated. Secondary play, imo, hinges a great deal on the pressure generated on the QB by the DL. You can make an average secondary look great when a QB is forcing throws ESPECIALLY when you dont need to rush a LBer and can drop them into coverage. With our already pretty damn good secondary, we could be making big plays every game. Thats really the reason I would be fine with either a DE or a DT next year.....I think a stud on the DL does more for you than any other position and can really improve all aspects of your D without even directly upgrading. Sure there are coverage sack and what not, but games arent won in the secondary most of the time......

Rob S
05-08-2009, 07:37 PM
How creatively Maybin will deployed is the question since Buffalo runs a 4-3. We will also ignore the argument whether a rotational DE deserves the 11 pick overall in a draft. If they plan to confuse opponents with more zone blitz then maybe. They can employ the creep with him, but again his speed will be mitigated until he shows he can go inside. I can't see him at his current weight successfully stunting inside without getting washed out if engaged. You can be more creative with him in a 3-4 ... the 4-3 unfortunately limits the opportunities to hide him (that and Fewell is the Bills D coach which in itself is a handicap ... but digress).

It certainly does.....like you said, zone blitz seems to be the best way to attack it. We just have to wait and see. The only thing I wanted to point out was that there is no way the Bills took him without knowing he is going to have to be used differently than a normal DE (at least for his first year). Also, his weight actually isnt that far off some other starting DE's, so he at least has a shot :)



The team I primarily had in mind when I wrote that is Indy. Indy does not necessarily need stoutness on the edge because of the speed they can bring eight games a season on a fast track inside a dome. Teams in the south also benefit. In Buffalo, a lot has to do with the weather, because as you note, at minimum an "occasional game" will get affected by it. In a 16 game season, occasional, inclement weather games will have an impact on the entire season. The Bills play in a division in the North East. Home playoff games will also be affected by this weather, which should be the goal of this team. Makes no sense to build a team strictly on speed which can mitigated by the occasional and inevitable forces they have no control over.

I figured you meant Indy.....they are certainly a special case tho......AND their players are special. Would you turn down Freeny just because his game is predicated on speed, of course not. I mean, I see the point you are making here and it is true that dome teams and warm weather teams can use speed more effectively, but a good speed rusher is invaluable for any team regardless of weather or any other factor you can think of. And we arent the Oakland Raiders here......our team isnt all speed. I dont think we are building it that way. I think we just wanted a pass rusher and as a pure pass rusher, Maybin was probably the best in the draft (I would have taken Rak, but he isnt more talented at rushing the QB)

Iamcanadian
05-09-2009, 10:28 PM
We aren't just a 4-3 team, we are a Cover 2, 4-3 team and DE's who can rush the passer are an absolute necessity if the Cover 2 defense is to work.
Cover 2 teams rarely blitz and depend almost solely on their front 4 to pressure the QB. If the front 4 in a Cover 2 defense cannot apply pressure on its own, the defense will stink because most NFL QB's will pick apart a zone defense if they have time. A Cover 2 team tries to limit the pass and sacrifices a little against the run. The last 2 Super Bowl winners used a lot of Cover 2 during their SB victories to limit both NE's and Arizona's passing attack even though it isn't their normal defense.
I believe Jauron realizes this and was simply forced to try and find a DE who could get the job done. As for the Cover 2 favouring southern or dome teams, Chicago used it to get to the SB and they aren't southern or playing in a dome. Jauron coached extensively in the NFC North Division and that is why he switched to a Cover 2 for Buffalo.

Rob S
05-09-2009, 10:31 PM
We aren't just a 4-3 team, we are a Cover 2, 4-3 team and DE's who can rush the passer are an absolute necessity if the Cover 2 defense is to work.
Cover 2 teams rarely blitz and depend almost solely on their front 4 to pressure the QB. If the front 4 in a Cover 2 defense cannot apply pressure on its own, the defense will stink because most NFL QB's will pick apart a zone defense if they have time. A Cover 2 team tries to limit the pass and sacrifices a little against the run. The last 2 Super Bowl winners used a lot of Cover 2 during their SB victories to limit both NE's and Arizona's passing attack even though it isn't their normal defense.
I believe Jauron realizes this and was simply forced to try and find a DE who could get the job done. As for the Cover 2 favouring southern or dome teams, Chicago used it to get to the SB and they aren't southern or playing in a dome. Jauron coached extensively in the NFC North Division and that is why he switched to a Cover 2 for Buffalo.

I dont think he was saying the cover 2 favored dome teams. I think he was just saying that a speed rusher (ie:Maybin, Freeny types) are more effective in better climates than Buffalo.

Biscuit
05-10-2009, 03:38 PM
We aren't just a 4-3 team, we are a Cover 2, 4-3 team and DE's who can rush the passer are an absolute necessity if the Cover 2 defense is to work.
Cover 2 teams rarely blitz and depend almost solely on their front 4 to pressure the QB. If the front 4 in a Cover 2 defense cannot apply pressure on its own, the defense will stink because most NFL QB's will pick apart a zone defense if they have time. A Cover 2 team tries to limit the pass and sacrifices a little against the run. The last 2 Super Bowl winners used a lot of Cover 2 during their SB victories to limit both NE's and Arizona's passing attack even though it isn't their normal defense.
I believe Jauron realizes this and was simply forced to try and find a DE who could get the job done. As for the Cover 2 favouring southern or dome teams, Chicago used it to get to the SB and they aren't southern or playing in a dome. Jauron coached extensively in the NFC North Division and that is why he switched to a Cover 2 for Buffalo.

The Bills tried implementing the Tampa-2, under Jauron and Fewell (who came from Chicago) in 2006, this is Jauron's and Fewell's pedigree. The Bills have migrated away from the Tampa-2 in 2006 because they did not have the personnel, to a Cover-2 scheme in 2007. Since the Bills MLBs could not cover the larger zones and given those defenses were miserable against the Pats, with no success, the Bills have again moved away from it to a standard base 4-3 with nickle coverage. The Bills also show 8 in the box fronts with Whitner who also has the ability to play the slot, as a result, the Cover-2 is difficult to run in such a front. Do the Bills play some cover two, namely a shell off man, yes, of course they do, all teams run a variation of the Cover-2, but this defense is not their base.

The Tampa-2 and Cover-2 (to a lesser extent) values speed and quickness and not stoutness out of the front four. The Bills play December games where the elements come into play (see the last Pats game). Speed off the edge in those games are mitigated because in those games, teams pound the ball running and don't throw. Hence the recent success of teams like Indy (dome) and Tampa (warm climate) for running the Tampa-2. Indy had to move completely away from the Cover-2 to mitigate the exposure they had in their run defense in order to win a Super Bowl.

The Giants did not run a Cover-2 to win their Super Bowl against the Pats. What the Giants, and what the Titans run is a standard 4-3. The Giants will use the blitz more but the Titans, who will play a lot of man-to-man and don't blitz as often, both rely on the front four to pressure the QB through stunts and twists. The Bills use a base 4-3, but since they can not pressure with their front four they needed to back it up with a lot of nickle. Hence the Bills draft in 2008 and 2009. In both drafts, they drafted three DBs each. They want to move to man, and McKelvin has the traits to do so. The Bills just can't generate a pass rush from the front 4 and therefore need to play nickle to hold the fort.

If you still think that the Bills run a Cover-2 base then explain the Bills recent player transactions:

- Kawika Mitchell at WLB? Kawika is not a WLB in a Cover-2/Tampa-2, he is more stout then quick. He is much larger then what is required for the spot and is a member of the same Giants Super Bowl team that beat the Pats. Keith Ellison, who has the build to be that Tampa-2/Cover-2 WLB, plays the strong side and is invisible most of the time because he is replaced with a DB due to all the nickle the Bills play.

- Marcus Stroud at LDT? Stroud is not a your prototypical Cover-2 DT and is more in the mould of what the Giants and Titans like in theirs. Stroud is stout, can penetrate but the Bills do misuse him by playing him on the nose straight on the guard. Also, the Bills do not rotate their DTs as often as they have in the past, a trait of the Tampa-2, in order to keep them fresh.

- Spencer Johnson? Johnson's skill set allows him to lineup at DT and DE depending upon the personnel groupings. He's used a little like Justin Tuck, he can move in and out along the line, although with little effect.

- Paul Posluszny? Is Paul Posluszny really a Cover-2 MLB?

- Leodis McKelvin? Again, he is a cover corner and not a zone. Why take him at #11 if the Bills run a Cover-2 since what is asked of these corners is primarily zone coverage. That style of defense should never warrant such a high pick CB, look at the traditional "Tampa-2" teams and see how often they selected DBs with such a high pick. Also, why draft so many CBs if your base is Cover-2? You need a lot of corners if you run nickle and/or dime a lot, that's why.

Furthermore, Chris Ellis in the 3rd is a longer and larger DE who can add weight. There were better rush OLBs who could play DE in the Tampa-2 still on the board in 2008 and instead they went with Ellis (ie. Cliff Avril who went to the Lions).

Now Maybin does fit the mould of what is expected from having a quicker and less stout DE, which makes me curious to see how the team uses him. Maybin is not a three down player, yet.

What the Giants and Titans want is for their DEs to be athletic, heavy and long enough to attack the inside B and twist and stunt the A Gaps, not just rush the edge. They want their DEs to play the 1 alignment and control the B gap. The Bills should be moving to this defense.

The Bills could still be using Cover-2 as their base, their personnel moves last year make little sense then. If they have been using a Cover-2 strictly for the last four years, with a corresponding 0-8 record against the Pats, then I am not sure what is worse ... Playing a defense with players who do not fit the scheme or employing a defense that goes 0-8 against the team that dominates your division?

espfootball92
05-11-2009, 10:09 PM
What do you guys think about Pisa Tinoisamoa coming in for a visit Wednesday?

I think he would be a great addition to our LB core. He is a tackling machine and is familiar with our system. Anyone else jumping on the Tinoisamoa bandwagon with me?

TheBuffaloBills
05-11-2009, 10:12 PM
What do you guys think about Pisa Tinoisamoa coming in for a visit Wednesday?

I think he would be a great addition to our LB core. He is a tackling machine and is familiar with our system. Anyone else jumping on the Tinoisamoa bandwagon with me?

I think he will be a great addition. I don't think Bowen nor Harris is ready yet to play LOLB, and we all know Ellison sucked last year. It would be a great signing.

Rob S
05-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Good signing depending on the money. He is overrated.

fischbowl
05-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Yeah, he's definitely overrated, but he did lead the Rams in tackles last year. When are we going to ******* bring Levi Jones in?

Bills2083
05-11-2009, 10:22 PM
Yeah, he's definitely overrated, but he did lead the Rams in tackles last year. When are we going to ******* bring Levi Jones in?


espn.com
Levi looking for perfect fit
Monday, May 11, 2009 | Print Entry

Levi Jones might be considered the top offensive tackle available on the market, but it might take until June or July before he finds a job. The former Cincinnati Bengals left tackle has had numerous phone calls but isn't scheduled to make many visits. The biggest surprise is that the Buffalo Bills haven't called. Apparently, after reshuffling the offensive line and adding two rookie guards to start, the Bills don't want to make any more changes to their line at this time.







Looks like it may not happen...

fischbowl
05-11-2009, 10:28 PM
espn.com
Levi looking for perfect fit
Monday, May 11, 2009 | Print Entry

Levi Jones might be considered the top offensive tackle available on the market, but it might take until June or July before he finds a job. The former Cincinnati Bengals left tackle has had numerous phone calls but isn't scheduled to make many visits. The biggest surprise is that the Buffalo Bills haven't called. Apparently, after reshuffling the offensive line and adding two rookie guards to start, the Bills don't want to make any more changes to their line at this time.







Looks like it may not happen...

That's totally gay

Rob S
05-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Levi should be our top priority right now. I agree Fisch, gay.

SuperMcGee
05-11-2009, 10:45 PM
Pisa would be an upgrade that I would gladly welcome. I doubt the money would be too bad. Chances are he ends up continuing our trend of starting LB going on IR, but I'd still like for us to sign him.

SuperMcGee
05-13-2009, 12:04 PM
Fred Jackson signed an extension today! Hoooooooooraaaaaaayyyyyy!!!!!

Bills2083
05-13-2009, 03:04 PM
4-year extension.
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!

bored of education
05-13-2009, 03:35 PM
http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/12120/20090513/bills_give_rb_jackson_4_year_extension/

nice move. Hmmm Marsh Marsh ? hmmm

Rob S
05-13-2009, 05:36 PM
BOE appearance! YAY!

Freddy Jax FTW.......hopefully the idea is a 1-2 punch waith him and Beast Mode long term because if they are planning on making Freddy the #1, I dont think he is a feature guy.

Bills2083
05-14-2009, 07:57 AM
BOE appearance! YAY!

Freddy Jax FTW.......hopefully the idea is a 1-2 punch waith him and Beast Mode long term because if they are planning on making Freddy the #1, I dont think he is a feature guy.


Why would they want to make Freddy the #1 guy?

btw, how did the Giants split carries between Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw?
I'm wondering how the Bills are planning on doing this with Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes

Matthew Jones
05-14-2009, 11:21 AM
espn.com
Levi looking for perfect fit
Monday, May 11, 2009 | Print Entry

Levi Jones might be considered the top offensive tackle available on the market, but it might take until June or July before he finds a job. The former Cincinnati Bengals left tackle has had numerous phone calls but isn't scheduled to make many visits. The biggest surprise is that the Buffalo Bills haven't called. Apparently, after reshuffling the offensive line and adding two rookie guards to start, the Bills don't want to make any more changes to their line at this time.

Interesting. I think a situation like Buffalo is where he'd do good. I do like Langston Walker, though, especially in the AFC East where the pass rush is honestly kind of weak. He's admittedly a better fit on the right side, but he was probably Buffalo's best lineman last year. Joey Porter is probably the only outside pass rusher that makes a huge impact on games at this point. Richard Seymour was able to pick up eight sacks last year though and Adalius Thomas is great when healthy/used corectly.

Anyways, anyone going to Bills training camp this year? I have an old friend who lives in Rochester, NY, so we end up going, and I'll be going this year as well. It's just convenient to visit him that time of year so we have something fun and memorable to do. Last year I was able to meet/get autographs from a bunch of the younger players on the team. Maybe if anyone else is going we could have a little NFLDC meetup or something at the camp.

Bills2083
05-14-2009, 11:23 AM
Interesting. I think a situation like Buffalo is where he'd do good. I do like Langston Walker, though, especially in the AFC East where the pass rush is honestly kind of weak. He's admittedly a better fit on the right side, but he was probably Buffalo's best lineman last year. Joey Porter is probably the only outside pass rusher that makes a huge impact on games at this point. Richard Seymour was able to pick up eight sacks last year though and Adalius Thomas is great when healthy/used corectly.

Anyways, anyone going to Bills training camp this year? I have an old friend who lives in Rochester, NY, so we end up going, and I'll be going this year as well. It's just convenient to visit him that time of year so we have something fun and memorable to do. Last year I was able to meet/get autographs from a bunch of the younger players on the team. Maybe if anyone else is going we could have a little NFLDC meetup or something at the camp.

I like Walker on the right side. He's not quick enough IMO to do well on the left side.

And I am planning on heading out to training camp. Just not the first day because that is when everyone is going to go out there to see TO.

SuperMcGee
05-14-2009, 01:56 PM
Why would they want to make Freddy the #1 guy?

btw, how did the Giants split carries between Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw?
I'm wondering how the Bills are planning on doing this with Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes

I don't see the Bills ever looking to Freddy as their #1. I think they'll be content to keep both guys around and run a split.

Rhodes has been a solid back, but he doesn't offer the same sort of impact that a guy like Bradshaw does against a worn out defense. I don't see it being a similar situation. He was brought in to serve as a solid #2 during the suspension and provide stable depth the rest of the way. He'll get some time, he deserves it, but not quite that involved.

Rob S
05-14-2009, 06:32 PM
Why would they want to make Freddy the #1 guy?

btw, how did the Giants split carries between Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw?
I'm wondering how the Bills are planning on doing this with Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes

Lynch has been in trouble a lot plus his rookie contract is gonna be up and he will want big money.......its logical thinking. Not this year obviously, but I am talking about the future.

Rob S
05-14-2009, 06:34 PM
I don't see the Bills ever looking to Freddy as their #1. I think they'll be content to keep both guys around and run a split.

Rhodes has been a solid back, but he doesn't offer the same sort of impact that a guy like Bradshaw does against a worn out defense. I don't see it being a similar situation. He was brought in to serve as a solid #2 during the suspension and provide stable depth the rest of the way. He'll get some time, he deserves it, but not quite that involved.

you think they will look to resign Lynch? I personally would bet against it.

SuperMcGee
05-14-2009, 06:35 PM
Lynch has been in trouble a lot plus his rookie contract is gonna be up and he will want big money.......its logical thinking. Not this year obviously, but I am talking about the future.

Jackson will be 31 and heading into the last year of his own deal when Lynch's contract is up.
Short of further indiscretions, I don't see big plans for Jackson being "the guy".

Matthew Jones
05-14-2009, 06:53 PM
I like Walker on the right side. He's not quick enough IMO to do well on the left side.

And I am planning on heading out to training camp. Just not the first day because that is when everyone is going to go out there to see TO.

Awesome dude. Let me know.

SuperMcGee
05-14-2009, 07:11 PM
you think they will look to resign Lynch? I personally would bet against it.

My split proposal goes up until the end of Lynch's contract. "Keeping both guys around" may have been bad wording. We have both of them under contract together for three more years. I don't think you can really assess anything past that.

fischbowl
05-14-2009, 10:23 PM
Interesting. I think a situation like Buffalo is where he'd do good. I do like Langston Walker, though, especially in the AFC East where the pass rush is honestly kind of weak. He's admittedly a better fit on the right side, but he was probably Buffalo's best lineman last year. Joey Porter is probably the only outside pass rusher that makes a huge impact on games at this point. Richard Seymour was able to pick up eight sacks last year though and Adalius Thomas is great when healthy/used corectly.

Anyways, anyone going to Bills training camp this year? I have an old friend who lives in Rochester, NY, so we end up going, and I'll be going this year as well. It's just convenient to visit him that time of year so we have something fun and memorable to do. Last year I was able to meet/get autographs from a bunch of the younger players on the team. Maybe if anyone else is going we could have a little NFLDC meetup or something at the camp.

I'm stopping in Fairport to visit my friends for about a week I don't know when I kind of would put training along with that, it'd be great

Iamcanadian
05-15-2009, 10:12 AM
Why would they want to make Freddy the #1 guy?

btw, how did the Giants split carries between Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw?
I'm wondering how the Bills are planning on doing this with Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes

Unfortunately, our OL isn't the Giants and running the ball won't be very easy behind ours.

Bills2083
05-15-2009, 02:24 PM
http://media.buffalonews.com/smedia/2009/05/14/21/559-mccoy_bills_sports_edwards_evens.standalone.prod_a ffiliate.50.jpg


Bills quarterback Trent Edwards hit two balls over the wall during batting practice three hours before the New York Yankees played the Toronto Blue Jays in the Rogers Centre.

James P. McCoy / Buffalo News



[I]Edwards, Evans the Centre of attention at Jays game.
By Mike Harrington
Updated: 05/14/09 10:47 PM


TORONTO -- Hard to tell who was the main attraction Thursday in the Rogers Centre. Was it Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and the New York Yankees or Trent Edwards, Lee Evans and the Buffalo Bills?

The Bills' duo was all around the ballpark during the game and got a big thrill by taking batting practice three hours before the first pitch.

Edwards belted a pair of home runs into the left-field seats and burst out of the cage celebrating them. Evans looked like, well, a football player as he hit a few ground balls to the outfield and not much more.

"That's tough. I got tired with just about 10 swings in there," a smiling Edwards said. "I can't imagine doing that every day. I got some groin issues right now, blisters on my hands. Part of the game of playing baseball I guess."

Bills receiver Lee Evans fouls one back.

"I was a little nerved up and I got a little winded," Evans (left) said. "I didn't expect to get winded. I've never been a strong hitter. I just use my speed and be an athlete out here. I hit a couple base hits. That's my game. I'm not for power. One base at a time."

With their socks pulled high like old-schoolers, Edwards and Evans looked snazzy in their official black Blue Jays uniforms, complete with names and numbers 5 and 83.

Edwards said he hadn't played baseball since he was in the eighth grade, when he pitched a one-hitter in a Little League game but lost, 1-0. Evans said he was confident because he had been practicing hard on his Wii and is a regular Wiffle ball player in the Bills' field house.

"[The outfield fence] doesn't look that far from the plate here," Evans said from the seats. "But go back there and look up here, well, that's when it looks far."

How would Edwards evaluate Evans' "swing"?

"Don't listen to what I say right now," Edwards called to his teammate. "It was a solid swing. I was happy he made contact. He's obviously not on the quarterback level and receivers are a different breed. Quarterbacks are good at golf, baseball, football. Lee has some distance to travel."

The BP swings were just the start of a whirlwind night. Both players appeared on the Jumbotron urging on Jays fans in several spots taped prior to the game.

Edwards threw a ceremonial first pitch (in the dirt to Jays outfielder Vernon Wells), appeared on the Jays' radio broadcast and joined a couple of Jills on the Jumbotron for a between-innings trivia question asking the opponent for the Dec. 3 game here (it's the New York Jets).

Evans, meanwhile, served as PA announcer in the bottom of the third, although he called Jays catcher Rod Barajas the center fielder. He made up for it with an extended call of "Johnnnnnny Mac" when introducing ex-Bison John McDonald.

Prior to the game, they visited the Blue Jays clubhouse. Edwards joked he was going to scratch out somebody in the lineup and serve as the designated hitter.

"He's got to talk to [DH Aaron] Hill about that," said a smiling Jays manager Cito Gaston.

Cracked Edwards: "Vernon was saying that [Yankees starter CC] Sabathia throws a good fastball and change-up. But those are my two best pitches that I hit."

mharrington@buffnews.com (mharrington@buffnews.com)



lol, I like the part I bolded

Iamcanadian
05-19-2009, 01:53 PM
The reality for Buffalo is that we lost the whole left side of our OL in both Dockery and Peters and this will prove to be very significant this coming season. The pass protection on the left side will be very suspect limiting both our passing ability and out running ability. Our offense has taken a huge step backward and it is very doubtful that we can contend for a playoff position. 7 wins could now be hard to match.

Rob S
05-23-2009, 02:51 PM
The reality for Buffalo is that we lost the whole left side of our OL in both Dockery and Peters and this will prove to be very significant this coming season. The pass protection on the left side will be very suspect limiting both our passing ability and out running ability. Our offense has taken a huge step backward and it is very doubtful that we can contend for a playoff position. 7 wins could now be hard to match.

I think it is unfair to say that our offense as a whole has taken a step backward. Sure the OL looks worse, although I think the interior play will be better. However, the addition of TO and Shawn Nelson adds soooo many new options for Trent. Not to mention that Josh Reed can be one of the best slots in the NFL.

SuperMcGee
05-23-2009, 04:47 PM
It's pretty bad that nobody knows if both of our tackles can play their current positions effectively. Bad tackles and little help from the TE is not going to be good for our goal of keeping Trent healthy for once.

But like Rob said, you have to like Trent's options. Evans, Owens, and Reed is a great top 3. Nelson is a dynamite pass catcher. Roscoe is still around for whatever way we may want to use him. Stevie is as solid as you can ask for in a #4/5. The RB were big in the passing game, and more time for Freddy only improves what we get out of that. If Schouman can get any time out of the backfield, I like what he can do out of it. That's right, my excitement for our receivers goes all the way down to Derek Schouman. We can comfortably let Hardy take another learning year and hope he can be a big part of our offense by the time TO is out of here.

Nobody can feel all that comfortable with unreliable bookends, but it's hard to not be at least a little excited for the flash element of our offense. We just need to hope that the expected weaknesses allow us to get enough use out of it.

Bills2083
05-23-2009, 07:18 PM
This needs to be seen again...

2PlWZDZboQw&feature

EDIT: how do i get rid of it so it's just the video?

Rob S
05-23-2009, 07:24 PM
done^.......and a fantastic vid, every bills fan should watch it.

Iamcanadian
05-24-2009, 01:16 PM
I think it is unfair to say that our offense as a whole has taken a step backward. Sure the OL looks worse, although I think the interior play will be better. However, the addition of TO and Shawn Nelson adds soooo many new options for Trent. Not to mention that Josh Reed can be one of the best slots in the NFL.

No matter what you may hope for, a QB needs a solid OL to take advantage of his weapons because you won't get far if your QB is laying face up after each passing play.
Facts, we lost our whole left side of the OL, the part where protecting the QB is crucial. Teams simply NEVER trade or allow their LT's to leave the team, they are just way too hard to find. You'll never see a top one in FA until they are considered way over the hill either through injuries or old age. Teams, even the worst of them in the NFL, pay their LT' rather than risk losing them.
Sure, replacing Dockery will be difficult but OG's are really a dime a dozen except for the few special ones, so replacing him isn't earth shattering. However, replacing you LT as well is earth shattering. Even the rookie who replaces Dockery will struggle tremendously without a solid LT beside him.
You think the Eagles could believe their luck when they discovered that Peters was actually available for very little. It just never happens in the NFL.
Lost in this is also the fact that a happy Peters is one of the best run blocking LT's in the NFL as was Dockery. This loss of talent won't just derail our pass protection, it is going to decimate our running attack as well.
No wonder we signed TO, he is just the distraction to make fans forget how much we lost in Peters and Dockery and to keep the fans buying tickets before they realize just how weak this team suddenly got on offense.
The net effect of losing Peters is that we moved from being a solid playoff contender to just another team trying to stay out of last place. No wonder Levy moved on as he must have realized that Wilson simply wouldn't pay Peters his due and what it would mean for his efforts to rebuild the Bills.

fischbowl
05-26-2009, 09:36 PM
Today, I informed Ellis "The Sex" Lankster of his nickname here on SWDC!

Bills2083
05-26-2009, 10:48 PM
Today, I informed Ellis "The Sex" Lankster of his nickname here on SWDC!


How did you do that?
And how did he earn that nickname?

SuperKevin
05-27-2009, 03:22 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4209750

Terrence McGee hurt himself covering TO today :(

Rob S
05-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Today, I informed Ellis "The Sex" Lankster of his nickname here on SWDC!

Yes........"The Sex" FTW!

fischbowl
05-28-2009, 09:51 PM
...when they went to the nickel package, Reggie Corner went to the slot with rookie Ellis Lankster stepping on the field. Lankster has made more plays than one might expect from a seventh-round pick.

Could someone say, opening day starter?

SuperMcGee
05-29-2009, 01:30 PM
McCoverage is a thing of the past.
As much as I enjoy "The Sex", I am majorly pumped for Reggie Corner.

The Dynasty
06-04-2009, 12:33 AM
Does anyone know when the Bills Training camp starts up at St. John Fisher College? I went there back 2004 and got a bunch of Autographs, So I'm hoping to get back up there now and get some more.

Poz51
06-08-2009, 09:16 AM
From all accounts the Bills off season is over, my question is what else could still be done to improve this team? Would signing Derrick Brooks to play linebacker hurt? What happens if Butler or Walker get hurt? Would Levi Jones at least provide some depth? That lack of depth on the offensive line is my major concern right now, especially because in my opinion Chambers is a liability as a back up... Any thoughts on how to help this team improve would be appreciated...

Iamcanadian
06-08-2009, 10:32 AM
From all accounts the Bills off season is over, my question is what else could still be done to improve this team? Would signing Derrick Brooks to play linebacker hurt? What happens if Butler or Walker get hurt? Would Levi Jones at least provide some depth? That lack of depth on the offensive line is my major concern right now, especially because in my opinion Chambers is a liability as a back up... Any thoughts on how to help this team improve would be appreciated...

Replacing the left side of the OL has put this team's offense under close scrutiny. Realistically, we aren't going to be spending a lot of money on backups so Brooks and Levi Jones are probably out of the question.
Wilson hasn't changed his strips and that means he will not spend beyond his budget for a shot at the playoffs.
I think we will really struggle to win 7 games with a severely weakened OL. We will really struggle to pass block with Peters and Dockery gone and I see 5 or 6 wins top for the coming season. Money has been our Achilles heel and apparently it still is.

Poz51
06-08-2009, 12:14 PM
Replacing the left side of the OL has put this team's offense under close scrutiny. Realistically, we aren't going to be spending a lot of money on backups so Brooks and Levi Jones are probably out of the question.
Wilson hasn't changed his strips and that means he will not spend beyond his budget for a shot at the playoffs.
I think we will really struggle to win 7 games with a severely weakened OL. We will really struggle to pass block with Peters and Dockery gone and I see 5 or 6 wins top for the coming season. Money has been our Achilles heel and apparently it still is.

I agree with the Brooks/Jones/Wilson comments completely. Adding Brooks to the defense with Schobel (can he play at the same level...), and Youboty coming back, in addition to adding Maybin (first step is incredible) and Byrd's potential, in my mind could make the defense a top ten unit. Now that is assuming the rookies contribute, and Schobel has the same impact he had before. Brooks leadership and football sense would be a great asset on this team.
Levitre on offense is an upgrade over Dockery, who I thought was invisable last year, and a major disappointment. The whole Peters thing I dont know about either, he was nothing short of unipressive last year, not only in letting up 11.5 sacks but also he seemed like a shell of himself, Butler playing right tackle should not be an issue, Walker playing left tackle is for me though, granted he is a big man to get around. Depth... NON-EXISTANT...
We know people will get hurt, and any injury to the offensive line puts us in severe jeopardy of a 5 to 6 win season. Saying that, if the o-line stays healthy, I think it will be fine, love Wood at gaurd, anyone is an upgrade at center, Levitre I need to see more of, but if Walker or Butler get injured we are completely screwed...
One thing that I believe people over look is the offense as a whole, Lynch, and Jackson form an top ten backfield, Evans and Owens could form a top five tandem (Jackson is a future star, Hardy??, Reed is finally turning into the player I thought he would/should be, and Roscoe is under utilized) Nelson should stretch the seam, and become the athletic pass catching tight end this team has needed for years, and Trent has no excuses in the playmakers department.
Buffalo has the best special teams in the league (apologies to Josh Cribbs), Punting and Kicking to Roscoe and Leodis is almost asking a special teams coach to get fired (although we will see about the affect of the new rules), and teams will surrender field position early in the season to avoid these two, and if the offense can capitalize (this is where I think 10 or 11 wins is obtainable) teams will be forced to play field position. This cost the Bills last year, I remember numerous games where great field position was wasted on 3and outs.
This team is the hardest to gauge in recent memory, I can see the low end, and as few as 4 wins, but should everything come together, I can see as many as 10 or 11, where as in the last three years I though realistically 7 or 8wins, with 9 being within reach last year, before the season started.
The secondary has the potential to be devostating should Shobel and Maybin turn up the heat, the offense has the pieces at the skill positions to improve easily into the top half of the league if the offensive line can not only run block (shouldnt be a problem), but pass block (the question on everyones mind). For the first time in a while I can not make a prediction on this team with any kind of certainty...

Iamcanadian
06-09-2009, 12:24 PM
I agree with the Brooks/Jones/Wilson comments completely. Adding Brooks to the defense with Schobel (can he play at the same level...), and Youboty coming back, in addition to adding Maybin (first step is incredible) and Byrd's potential, in my mind could make the defense a top ten unit. Now that is assuming the rookies contribute, and Schobel has the same impact he had before. Brooks leadership and football sense would be a great asset on this team.
Levitre on offense is an upgrade over Dockery, who I thought was invisable last year, and a major disappointment. The whole Peters thing I dont know about either, he was nothing short of unipressive last year, not only in letting up 11.5 sacks but also he seemed like a shell of himself, Butler playing right tackle should not be an issue, Walker playing left tackle is for me though, granted he is a big man to get around. Depth... NON-EXISTANT...
We know people will get hurt, and any injury to the offensive line puts us in severe jeopardy of a 5 to 6 win season. Saying that, if the o-line stays healthy, I think it will be fine, love Wood at gaurd, anyone is an upgrade at center, Levitre I need to see more of, but if Walker or Butler get injured we are completely screwed...
One thing that I believe people over look is the offense as a whole, Lynch, and Jackson form an top ten backfield, Evans and Owens could form a top five tandem (Jackson is a future star, Hardy??, Reed is finally turning into the player I thought he would/should be, and Roscoe is under utilized) Nelson should stretch the seam, and become the athletic pass catching tight end this team has needed for years, and Trent has no excuses in the playmakers department.
Buffalo has the best special teams in the league (apologies to Josh Cribbs), Punting and Kicking to Roscoe and Leodis is almost asking a special teams coach to get fired (although we will see about the affect of the new rules), and teams will surrender field position early in the season to avoid these two, and if the offense can capitalize (this is where I think 10 or 11 wins is obtainable) teams will be forced to play field position. This cost the Bills last year, I remember numerous games where great field position was wasted on 3and outs.
This team is the hardest to gauge in recent memory, I can see the low end, and as few as 4 wins, but should everything come together, I can see as many as 10 or 11, where as in the last three years I though realistically 7 or 8wins, with 9 being within reach last year, before the season started.
The secondary has the potential to be devostating should Shobel and Maybin turn up the heat, the offense has the pieces at the skill positions to improve easily into the top half of the league if the offensive line can not only run block (shouldnt be a problem), but pass block (the question on everyones mind). For the first time in a while I can not make a prediction on this team with any kind of certainty...


I like your optimism but IMO, it is unrealistic to think we will replace Dockery and Peters without missing a beat. I believe Peters year reflected the fact that Wilson refused to pay him what he deserved and the knowledge that he wouldn't likely be with the team next year. Thinking a rookie like Levitre will just step in and be as effective as Dockery is just wishful thinking IMO.
Brooks is just a shell of the player he once was, he's near the end and nobody is rushing to sign him. His experience might help but don't expect him to play at a star level, those days are long gone for him.
Walker is at best an average LT who will have fits trying to stop faster, quicker and smaller DE's. Edwards will be running for his life and a rookie like Levitre will really struggle if his LT cannot help him one iota.
The OL IMO will be below average overall and that is with no injuries. This is going to shutdown both our running attack and our passing attack no matter how good our RB's and WR's are.
The defense may be solid although top 10 is a stretch. However if our offense struggles, the defense will find itself on the field most of the game and under that kind of pressure, could crack and give up a lot of points.
I realistically think 6 wins is tops with 4 or 5 quite possible.

Poz51
06-10-2009, 09:25 AM
I like your optimism but IMO, it is unrealistic to think we will replace Dockery and Peters without missing a beat. I believe Peters year reflected the fact that Wilson refused to pay him what he deserved and the knowledge that he wouldn't likely be with the team next year. Thinking a rookie like Levitre will just step in and be as effective as Dockery is just wishful thinking IMO.
Brooks is just a shell of the player he once was, he's near the end and nobody is rushing to sign him. His experience might help but don't expect him to play at a star level, those days are long gone for him.
Walker is at best an average LT who will have fits trying to stop faster, quicker and smaller DE's. Edwards will be running for his life and a rookie like Levitre will really struggle if his LT cannot help him one iota.
The OL IMO will be below average overall and that is with no injuries. This is going to shutdown both our running attack and our passing attack no matter how good our RB's and WR's are.
The defense may be solid although top 10 is a stretch. However if our offense struggles, the defense will find itself on the field most of the game and under that kind of pressure, could crack and give up a lot of points.
I realistically think 6 wins is tops with 4 or 5 quite possible.

Replacing the real (2007) Jason Peters is completely unrealistic, however Peters was really horrible last year, and in replacing the 2008 Peters the only way to go down is with Kirk Chambers, other than that the production can really only go up... There were times last year where I thought that it was Kirk Chambers playing left tackle for us. I will contend with anyone that Dockery did nothing more last year than go through the motions, nothing special, my observation was that he played with about the same intensity and enthusiasm as Peters. Wish I could remember where I read it but someone did some study on offensive linemen and there ability to get a push (something to that affect) and our left side of the line was in the bottom of the list, mind you thats Dockery (the highest paid linemen in bills history) and Peters (I want to be the highest paid linemen in league history, while giving up 11.5 sacks). To me the only way things get worse is through injuries and Kirk Chambers starting... Can Levitre replace Dockery? I can not say with certainty that he will immediately, but last year Dockery like Peters was not that good!! Our interior offensive line as a whole was not good either. I agree about Walker completely, he is a stop gap, average true enough... Levitre struggling I can see to, but he was an AP second team all-american at tackle behind Andre Smith and Michael Oher, so its not like he is some slouch... Oregon States offense when he played constantly improved the more he played, and from what I have read, much of it was attributed to him, including him neutralizing almost all the competition... One injury and I completely agree that the o-line becomes below average, I would say average now, with a chance to become above average with the right circumstances. I would completely agree that they are the key to the offense, and this hurry up they are installing is really designed to mask the offensive lines flaws, which true enough could shutdown the offense completely, which would be a shame, because this might actually be the best offense Buffalo has seen in a good 8 years, in terms of skill position players. Offensive line is always the key, and you are right that no matter how good our QB's, RB's, TE's, or WR's are without an offensive line it does not matter.
As for Brooks, clearly his better days are a thing of the past, just look at his production last year, its the leadership, his film room study (which if you have never heard him speak about, find it and watch, listen and be impressed), which might be more impressive than his resume. Its his IQ that I think would help the young guys now and in the future, and presence that I think would be a tremendous asset to this team... New England does not bring in Rodney Harrison, Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, Junior Seau types to be the man, football IQ, and support... I was at the last game Buffalo beat New England in Buffalo, right after the signning of Milloy, sitting in the corner end zone where Clements made the best interception I have ever seen in person... That game we had vetern leadership, young talent mixed with guys with strong football IQ's. Since then we have not really had that influence on the team to help support the younger players, and New England has been Boy George-ing us ever since...
As for the defense being top ten, yeah the pieces would have to come together in order for that to happen, and I dont think it will happen, but I see the possibility should things come together. Your point about the possibilty of the defense being on the field and cracking is dually noted, with a strong possibilty of happening. Like I said, 4 or 5 wins could easily be the final tally, should (small possibility) things come together, I could see as many as 11 wins. Optimism as a Bills fans is all I have left.
Side note, I was 15 when Bill Polian was fired, to this day, that is the sadest moment in this Franchises history, I remember him saying something to the affect that we would never see a team like those superbowl teams again, how right he was. We have never seen a team like that again in Buffalo, how funny that that offense in particular now resides in Indianapolis...

SuperMcGee
06-11-2009, 07:37 PM
Does anyone know when the Bills Training camp starts up at St. John Fisher College? I went there back 2004 and got a bunch of Autographs, So I'm hoping to get back up there now and get some more.

Starts July 25th, just released today.

Gerald Washington, Joel Bell, Blake Costanzo, and Kyle Ward were all waived :/
So was John Faletoese.

Bills2083
06-12-2009, 03:51 PM
New throwbacks :)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/antoniobruno/GLP_BTS_127.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/antoniobruno/GLP_BTS_129.jpg

fischbowl
06-12-2009, 11:19 PM
Starts July 25th, just released today.

Gerald Washington, Joel Bell, Blake Costanzo, and Kyle Ward were all waived :/
So was John Faletoese.

Blake?! Really?

SuperMcGee
06-12-2009, 11:29 PM
I know, it's insanity!

I won't get too upset with Moorman on the page, but I just don't get this.

fischbowl
06-12-2009, 11:31 PM
I know, it's insanity!

I won't get too upset with Moorman on the page, but I just don't get this.

Absolutely heinous

fischbowl
06-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Garrison Sanborn wears #69. I think it's time for a new jersey!

Rob S
06-29-2009, 08:14 PM
Its early, but any prediction on the bills record this year? I have a feeling we will have a wide spectrum based on some of the comments.

I am not as down on the team as some people seem to be, but I am not overly optimistic either. I think the defense will be at around around the same level it was last year as I cant yet fully trust Schobel to be fully healthy, there is some upside with this group tho. Offense is perplexing. I love a lot of things. I love the WR core, I love the RB depth, I like Trent with these weapons, but the OL is a major question mark. I will go middle of the road and say we will be about the same as last year again with major upside if the OL gels.

So, I will say 8-8 if forced to make a prediction.

SuperMcGee
06-29-2009, 08:25 PM
I don't like to put too much weight into the schedule before the season, but it's flat out getting a lot harder. I'd love to see this offense click and do well, it would be a good sight for any football fan. But there isn't a person out there who knows what to expect from this line, and looking over it, it's easier to foresee trouble. I'll take the easy way out and say 7-9. But those are going to be tough wins. Our defense will need to be very good for itself and the line can't be among the worst in the league for us to be sniffing the playoffs.

Iamcanadian
07-02-2009, 10:37 PM
For me, the likelihood of the OL gelling seems like wishful thinking. While I like the rest of the team, the weakness of the OL is going to cost them dearly and I'd guess 5 or 6 wins is tops.
Put Peters on this team in a happy mood because Wilson had paid him what a top LT commands in this league and if Edwards had a breakout season we all had hoped for, we would be a very serious playoff contender and maybe even a SB one as well. But IMO, it just isn't happening.

Rob S
07-03-2009, 06:44 PM
Anyone else think Leodis McKelvin is going to explode sometime soon? I can forsee a Pro Bowl season either this year or next year......the man has serious talent and I bet he kills it playing next to McGee this year.

fischbowl
07-03-2009, 07:29 PM
Anyone else think Leodis McKelvin is going to explode sometime soon? I can forsee a Pro Bowl season either this year or next year......the man has serious talent and I bet he kills it playing next to McGee this year.

Nope. I see a Sex and Corner awesome secondary in the future. McKelvin will be lucky to be a nickel back

Vox Populi
07-03-2009, 07:30 PM
Blake?! Really?

I'm glad. He was good for some ******** unnecessary roughness penalty on special teams every other game it seemed. Sure he made some tackles, but his penalties just kept on pissing me off.

I think this is going to be a rough year for the Bills. I've lost all faith in Edwards at this point. Shell shocked since the concussion and the MNF first quarter when he turned into captain check-down. We'll see though. He's got Owens and Lee so he better get out of this check-down ********.

Rob S
07-03-2009, 07:41 PM
I'm glad. He was good for some ******** unnecessary roughness penalty on special teams every other game it seemed. Sure he made some tackles, but his penalties just kept on pissing me off.

I think this is going to be a rough year for the Bills. I've lost all faith in Edwards at this point. Shell shocked since the concussion and the MNF first quarter when he turned into captain check-down. We'll see though. He's got Owens and Lee so he better get out of this check-down ********.

I think the no huddle could help him a lot........time will tell tho

Rob S
07-03-2009, 07:43 PM
Nope. I see a Sex and Corner awesome secondary in the future. McKelvin will be lucky to be a nickel back

I think we should move The Sex to both DE and QB.......seeing as he can play all 24 positions (K and P included) it would make sense to sure up those holes right now. Plus he never gets tired, so fatigue wont be a problem.

fischbowl
07-04-2009, 10:41 AM
I think we should move The Sex to both DE and QB.......seeing as he can play all 24 positions (K and P included) it would make sense to sure up those holes right now. Plus he never gets tired, so fatigue wont be a problem.

Oh he can do it, I'm sure. He's a machine. A sex machine

fischbowl
07-08-2009, 12:19 PM
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/07/07/lankster-has-a-chance/

Chris Brown loves the Sex!

Rob S
07-09-2009, 09:34 AM
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/07/07/lankster-has-a-chance/

Chris Brown loves the Sex!

Yes! It is going to be glorious when he makes the team. If he is on the team we need to go to Faddy's and spread The Sex.

redbills
07-15-2009, 08:45 PM
I heard Dick Lebaue (SP?) PIT DC really wanted him.

SuperMcGee
07-16-2009, 09:26 PM
Thay's because LeBeau is an absolute defensive genius. I miss him, even if he was only with us briefly. The last time our defense was really good was when he was around. Him and TKO coming in together, how good did you feel about that defense? Impressive enough for him to rebound into a sweet gig where he greatly helped to bring two Super Bowl championships. Put him in the HOF already. "The Sex" will follow.

Rob S
07-16-2009, 09:57 PM
LeBeau is the man.......forget TKO, just imagine LeBeau + Sex............imagine the possibilities!

Bills2083
07-16-2009, 10:28 PM
LeBeau is the man.......forget TKO, just imagine LeBeau + Sex............imagine the possibilities!

Blasphemy!
How can you forget TKO and that humongoginormous neck of his?

I do not know of one Bills fan who did not like him.

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-89/33-89406-F.jpg

Spikes was the man

Rob S
07-17-2009, 11:30 PM
nah I loved TKO, my sn on AIM was based around him for a while. Loved that guy.

thebow305
07-18-2009, 10:25 PM
Just a quick question for all the Bills fans here:

Is Leodis McKelvin going to be both the full-time kick returner and starting cornerback this year for you guys? And is there anyone that will threaten his touches/snaps at either spot?

Bills2083
07-18-2009, 10:45 PM
Just a quick question for all the Bills fans here:

Is Leodis McKelvin going to be both the full-time kick returner and starting cornerback this year for you guys? And is there anyone that will threaten his touches/snaps at either spot?

McKelvin is going in as our #2 CB (behind McGee)
The coaching staff is going to say that it's an "open competition" but I don't see anyone beating him out for that.

I think McKelvin will continue to return kicks. The reasoning for this is that even when McGee became a starting CB, he still returned kicks. I don't see them changing it up at all. Especially considering McKelvin had one of the best return averages in the NFL.