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BufFan71
11-22-2009, 03:08 PM
so.... does our Strength and Conditioning coach get fired this weekend?



these past few years have been terrible, as far as injuries..







at least the offense looked like a real offense, even with that makeshift oline

redbills
11-22-2009, 03:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3sxYA16Qfk

Bills2083
11-22-2009, 03:58 PM
Hopefully we find out the severity of Wood's injury real soon.
I read that he is having surgery down in Jacksonville right now.

His career could be in jeopardy here :( Here's to hoping the operation goes well.

redbills
11-22-2009, 04:01 PM
Bills text

"OL Eric Wood has a fractured leg and will stay in JAX to have surgery."

Bills2083
11-22-2009, 04:04 PM
He has a fractured tibia and fibula

redbills
11-22-2009, 04:06 PM
link? text?

Bills2083
11-22-2009, 04:09 PM
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/11/22/wood-having-surgery/

redbills
11-22-2009, 04:18 PM
man, lossing sucks but this is just horrible.

redbills
11-22-2009, 04:28 PM
from a Dr on another fourm

From a medical standpoint, if that break is anywhere close to as serious as it looks, Wood's Tibula and Fibula might have to b shortened if they cannot be set. By the looks of the break, from an outside strike and by the fact that the shin bends at a near 90 degree angle, it may not be settable.

If they have to do that what is the down side? What if it isn't settable? etc. etc.

That depends competely on the break. If the bone breaks into a bunch of little shards at the break, then the will do surgery by going in and securing the bone together by a plate, screw, etc and removing the bone matter. But if the break is messy and we are talking about 1-2 inches of destroyed bone, then the Fibula/Tibula wil have to be fabricated so that they can be secured together. There is way too many variables though to say anything. One thing I do know though, that a bad leg break is one of the most serious things you can have.
If the Fibula/Tibula have to be shortened, then walking will be hard, running harder, NFL football really hard. It would be like wearing one shoe.
What most people do when one leg is shortened is order special shoes that even them back out.

Wood is having surgery to re-set the bones. He’s expected back in Buffalo on Monday.

Well it doesn't sound too bad, not career threatening. That was a scary looking break though. When the bones break like that, they basically turn into a bunch of shanks inside the leg. They can cut flesh, arteries, and viens, which makes internal bleeding a serious concern. If he is going to be in Buffalo monday then that means they can just set it and cast his entire leg. Looks good for Eric Wood.

BuffaloBillsFan
11-22-2009, 05:54 PM
Man, I really like Wood, he looked very good, hopefully he rebounds..

Btw, I think we're 6th overall now as far as the draft goes.

SuperKevin
11-22-2009, 07:53 PM
Man, I really like Wood, he looked very good, hopefully he rebounds..

Btw, I think we're 6th overall now as far as the draft goes.

Getting closer to Jimmy Clausen territory :)

But also getting too high for any of the OTs :(

Bills2083
11-22-2009, 08:33 PM
#1 Need as of right now:
What say you?

SuperKevin
11-22-2009, 08:35 PM
Well the further we move up in the draft order, the more it affects our decision. If we stay around 6 or 7 I'd say we're a tad too high for any of the OTs as of now. However we may be to low to grab one of the quarterbacks. If that were the case I'd really want to get one of the DTs if we could

fischbowl
11-22-2009, 09:07 PM
Masters of the 58 minute game we are.........

I wouldn't say that's too high for Okung, Kevin

SuperKevin
11-22-2009, 11:57 PM
Masters of the 58 minute game we are.........

I wouldn't say that's too high for Okung, Kevin

I would because I think he's overrated

Poz51
11-23-2009, 08:00 AM
so.... does our Strength and Conditioning coach get fired this weekend?

these past few years have been terrible, as far as injuries..

at least the offense looked like a real offense, even with that makeshift oline

He should, they have, amazingly enough they kept the team in the game along with the defense...

Poz51
11-23-2009, 08:08 AM
Well the further we move up in the draft order, the more it affects our decision. If we stay around 6 or 7 I'd say we're a tad too high for any of the OTs as of now. However we may be to low to grab one of the quarterbacks. If that were the case I'd really want to get one of the DTs if we could

True... Roland McClain can cover tight ends... Okung can pass protect, at six or seven would be a great pick up... Does anyone really believe that there is a elite quarterback prospect (Locker, accuracy/descision making can be iffy, Clausen is having a big year, but the golden domers are not, watching him play he has some suspect desicion making issue's, and Bradford's injured shoulder is his throwing shoulder, which did not have a ton of strength to start with) in this draft? This team can win with its current defense, not the current offense...

Bills2083
11-23-2009, 12:09 PM
I saw this on the Bills' Message Board
Take it for what it's worth...

Just got a text from his girlfriend.

His surgery was successful and he is now in recovery.

His agent told us that he looks to be out 8-9 months.

Will keep board posted when I hear some more news

(final post) http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2759&t=5171730



http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?t=197491

redbills
11-23-2009, 12:12 PM
Wow, So he could be back around the start of the season.

BuffaloBillsFan
11-23-2009, 07:22 PM
I'm pulling for him, be sure to pray for Eric Wood.

SuperKevin
11-23-2009, 07:56 PM
Cowher told us to go **** ourselves

nepg
11-24-2009, 08:51 AM
Does the signing of former 2nd round pick Brian Brohm make you reconsider the need for an early quarterback in the 2010 draft? For me it does. I'd rather invest the early choices on surrounding players that will help whover plays QB succeed.
If they bring in Shanahan, Brohm is worth giving a shot. That's the ideal system for Brohm, and he could turn out to be what many thought he was early on at Louisville. Brohm still has more potential than pretty much any 2010 draft-eligible quarterback. Also with Shanahan, the Bills instantly don't have to do much with their OL (or any of their offense at all, for that matter)... They can invest all of their major draft picks on defense.

I'd say they need to go with Suh, McCoy, or McClain.

fischbowl
11-24-2009, 11:40 AM
Bills sign Kendall Simmons

redbills
11-24-2009, 12:16 PM
we need to sign another O-Line guy.

redbills
11-24-2009, 01:49 PM
did ESPN run any of the Bills JAX highlights??????? I have yet to see one play of the game on nfl live or just espn. I have seen the DAL game and CLE game like 100 times.

redbills
11-24-2009, 01:57 PM
yea finally saw bills hightlights, 2 plays.......

BufFan71
11-24-2009, 05:57 PM
i posted this on the bills message board.. but what do u guys think about these upcoming free agents?



Free Agency:
1. Jerious Noorwood HB- Extremely explosive player who can catch the ball and make plays (might've resigned already)
2. Lawrence Vickers FB- great blocking FB who has the athleticism to catch a few passes
3. Rashad Jeanty OLB- Young guy with size, who can be solid depth, maybe even a starter.
4. Ray Edwards DT- Promising DT who has sat behind P and K williams in Minnesota
5. Alex Barron OT- playing out of position, would be an excellent RT

redbills
11-24-2009, 06:00 PM
1-We won't bring in a good RB unless one of ours is traded
2-like it
3-like it
4-not sure, never saw him play
5-Butler moves back to RG woth Wood to C? Then yea that is okay

The Dynasty
11-24-2009, 06:10 PM
4. Ray Edwards DT- Promising DT who has sat behind P and K williams in Minnesota
RT

He is a Defensive End not a DT. Im sure he could probably transfer to that but he has become good at LE this year.

BufFan71
11-24-2009, 06:13 PM
He is a Defensive End not a DT. Im sure he could probably transfer to that but he has become good at LE this year.

yur right...
for some reason i always thought he was a DT...

Bills2083
11-24-2009, 06:19 PM
melikes Lawrence Vickers!

I didn't know he was a free agent.

Bills2083
11-24-2009, 06:23 PM
from ESPN...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1124/pg2_bills_300.jpg

I thought it was pretty funny

BufFan71
11-24-2009, 06:41 PM
melikes Lawrence Vickers!

I didn't know he was a free agent.


loved him coming out of Colorado...

nepg
11-26-2009, 06:57 AM
So, I've been thinking about how the Bills would look if Shanahan took over... What do you Bills fans think?

I think it's a no-brainer that he'd bring Jeremy Bates with him to be the OC and HC in-waiting. Probably bring in Jim Bates as either the DC or defensive consultant/specialist.

2010 Free Agents
Terrell Owens (WR)
Josh Reed (WR)
Derek Schouman (TE)
Bryan Scott (LB)
Jonathan Scott (OT)
George Wilson (DB) - re-sign
Ashton Youboty (CB)

Offense
*With Shanahan coming in, the Bills don't have a ton of moves to make to get their offense going well.
*The main thing is that they need to get their OL and TE positions healthy.
*They have Fred Jackson and Money Lynch signed long-term, so RB is not a worry for a few years (though a 3rd power back is something to look for late in the draft/udfa).
*The only move that would have to be made along the OL is at G pending Eric Wood's recovery (or lack thereof). The rest of this young OL should really excel, and possibly dominate using the Dirty Denver ZBS.
*At Quarterback, I'm going to go with Brohm here. Shanahan's offense is a perfect fit, and Brohm still has just as much potential as probably any QB available in the draft (exception: maybe Locker). I'm of the opinion that a big reason Brohm hasn't worked out so well because some QB's just are incapable of being good backups.
*The TEs the Bills have are perfect for Shanny's offense, pending their health.
* The WR situation is mirky. With Reed and Owens free agents (and Owens definitely gone), they're left with Parish, Evans, and Hardy. They have a big need here and might even consider trading Evans.

Defense
*The defense should be the main focus of the off-season.
*They need to become more stout at the point of attack as their rushing defense is 31st in the NFL, and George Wilson's tackle numbers are insanely high. Stroud's play hasn't been that great, and he's been paired with undersized DTs. I don't dislike Kyle Williams, but he needs to be more of a passing downs package DT.
*At LB, Poz has been good and Ellison's OK (nothing to write home about). They really could use a big upgrade at LB...they need more physical play here for sure.
*With Leodis McKelvin being injured for most of the year, the Bills have had a patchwork group at corner. They've played fairly well, but with the run defense being so bad, the passing defense remains a bit untested.
*The safety group, led by Jairus Byrd, has been solid. They're somewhat undersized, and have missed Donte Whitner at times due to injury, though.
*I like the DE group. They haven't played that great, but there's a ton of potential there, and it's a fairly deep group.

Objectives For 2010 Off-Season
1. Get healthy.
2. Upgrade the run defense and overall physicality of the defense.
3. Add at least one WR, two if Lee Evans is dealt.
4. Make overall depth upgrades on defense.
5. Install the Dirty Denver ZBS.
6. Add a power back behind Lynch & Jackson.

Pre-Draft Moves
Trade Trent Edwards, get back a 4th round pick
(going to go ahead and keep Evans because I don't know that he has much trade value due to his contract and lack of versatility)

Draft (current projection as of 11/25 is the Bills have #7)
1. Rolondo McClain, LB, Alabama
-The DTs are gone, so McClain's probably the best talent available...also fits into the off-season objectives of getting more physical up front.
2. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
-Big, physical DT that can play every down. Very strong, and has good moves. Sees plays well. With McClain and inserted in Buffalo's DT rotation, should fix the run defense problems.
3. Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
-With the Juniors likely to declare and guys like Danario Alexander making fast rises up the boards, LaFell's getting pushed back. This should be a great value pick for a player that can become a key cog in Shanahan's offense.
4a. Javier Arenas, DB, Alabama
-Really not doing this SEC raiding intentionally. Arenas is a versatile DB who can fill a lot of roles for the Bills.
4b. Dan LeFevour, QB, CMU
-Fallback plan for Brian Brohm. Has a lot of Jake Plummer in him, but a much smarter player.
5. Charles Scott, RB, LSU
-Scott would excel in this system. Kind of reminds me of Mike Anderson anyway... Would rather have Anthony Dixon here, but I assume he's long gone. Scott's had an off-year, and won't run that well at the combine or pro day, so he'll fall.
6a. Mike McLaughlin, LB, Boston College
-McLaughlin's had a bit of a down year. He can play a couple different spots in a 4-3, but is best-suited as an ILB. Should provide good depth and special teams play.
6b. Pat Simonds, WR, Colgate
-Big FCS receiver with a ton of production against lower competition.
7a. Eric Olsen, OG, Notre Dame
-Should fit into the system and provide good depth.
7b. Terrell Skinner, S, Maryland
-Big safety who gives the Bills some depth and versatility.

Depth Chart (rough estimate)
QB: Brian Brohm (Fitzpatrick, LeFevour)
RB: Marshawn Lynch (Jackson, Scott, Hairston)
FB: Corey McIntyre
WR: Lee Evans, Brandon LaFell (Parrish, Hardy, Simonds, Johnson)
TE: Shawn Nelson (Fine, Klopfenstein)
LT: Jamon Meredith (Bell)
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Geoff Hangartner (McKinney)
RG: Eric Wood* (Olsen)
RT: Brad Butler (Chambers)

DE: Chris Kelsay, Aaron Schobel (Ellis, Denney, Maybin)
DT: Marcus Stroud, Dan Williams (Williams, McCargo, Johnson)
OLB: Paul Poszluszny (Palmer, Corto)
MLB: Rolondo McClain (Mitchell, McLaughlin)
OLB: Keith Ellison (Draft, Harris)
CB: Leodis McKelvin, Terrence McGee (Florence, Corner, Arenas, Lankster)
S: Jairus Byrd, Dontae Whitner (Wilson, Wendling, Skinner)

redbills
11-26-2009, 09:42 AM
****No Creating Threads****

But I'll take a look

Where is Steve Johnson? He is better than Hardy.
George Wilson plays ST also, so that could be why his tackles are high.
Kyle Williams is the reason MJD didn't have 300 yards.
George has been playing over a healthy Donte Whitner the past few weeks.
If anything we need a speed back not power.
Trent Edwards for a 4th? Maybe a 7th.
Rolondo McClain like him, not sure at 7 right now but I like him.
Dan Williams good player, not sure about R2 but okay.
Brandon LaFell good player good pick
Javier Arenas, no, no, no, no, if there is 1 not need it is DB.
Dan LeFevour, like him.
Charles Scott, he is power and Lynch and Jackson have power, we need speed.
Mike McLaughlin, good pick need a back-up MLB
Pat Simonds, never head of him. Have depth at WR, PS i guess.
Eric Olsen, depth good pick.
Terrell Skinner, Don't need a S.

The fack that you didn't bring in anyone to play LT is a huge problem.
Denney is a FA.
Mitchell at MLB??? and backing up???
Parrish will be cut in the off-season. He gives us nothing.

redbills
11-26-2009, 09:46 AM
According to ESPN's Tim Graham, NFL Network analyst Mike Martz has serious interest in becoming the next head coach of the Bills.

Bills owner Ralph Wilson is aiming a bit higher, but it's not surprising that Martz wants back in the league. A league source tells Graham that Martz is high on Trent Edwards (at least someone still is) and would be "thrilled" to get the position. Martz would have to instill confidence in Edwards as a downfield passer. Mad Mike's offense requires QBs to hang in the pocket.

Iamcanadian
11-26-2009, 10:04 AM
According to ESPN's Tim Graham, NFL Network analyst Mike Martz has serious interest in becoming the next head coach of the Bills.

Bills owner Ralph Wilson is aiming a bit higher, but it's not surprising that Martz wants back in the league. A league source tells Graham that Martz is high on Trent Edwards (at least someone still is) and would be "thrilled" to get the position. Martz would have to instill confidence in Edwards as a downfield passer. Mad Mike's offense requires QBs to hang in the pocket.

At least our offense would be exciting. He got 4000 passing yards out of Kitna twice. Most of the big name HC's will avoid us like the plague since Wilson has a reputation of being exceedingly cheap with many failures at retaining our star players. It would take one hell of a financial committment to get one of the top HC's who are available.
As for Edwards and Martz, it might be a pair made in heaven but I still remember Martz saying the same thing about Harrington when he came to Detroit.

Iamcanadian
11-26-2009, 10:14 AM
LT is our #1 priority or no QB will survive in Buffalo. I suspect Edwards will be our starter but we have to give him a LT or he won't last the season.

nepg
11-26-2009, 10:28 AM
OL is an issue right now, but I really like the personnel they have there in Shanahan's/Gibbs's system - if they can get and stay healthy (which is the main problem). It's an athletic group.

I had trouble deciding whether to keep Evans and/or Parrish. Josh Reed probably needs to be brought back.

SuperMcGee
11-26-2009, 09:17 PM
- Trading Evans would result in a city-wide revolt. And would be pretty dumb. I'm sorry, but I can't think of anyone that wants to see that. It doesn't matter if he's one of the highest paid wide receivers in the game.

- Stevie Johnson can probably replace Josh Reed. You need to remember him when thinking of the Reed role. Thing is, we're very uncertain at our #2 WR. Parrish can gtfo. He's gone.

- Like previous posts have stated: We NEED a LT. Absolutely. First round.

- I like Lafell.

- You can't rely on our TE health, unfortunately. I really like Schouman, but he can't stay healthy. Derek Fine is a #3 TE that may or may not be better than Stupar. Nelson has 6 more games of being the guy, hopefully they serve as a nice preview for next year. I think they will.

- Replacing Mitchell instead of Ellison? Mitchell isn't that great, but this helps us to be more physical?

- Kyle Williams rules. Top 5 value player on our team.

- I can't question our secondary. McGee is locked up, McKelvin/Florence/Corner/Lankster are all signed and viable options for starting or depth. Safety could be fine, but I'd hate to see the versatile Scott leave.

- I doubt much changes in the DE group, but I'd like to see something from Ellis and Maybin. Anything. Makes me uncomfortable moving forward.

***This thread has been moved into the main discussion. With the coach fired and season decided, we could get an early start on an offseason thread***

ruthlessrussian
11-26-2009, 10:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4691552

So Jim Kelly thinks Tebow would be perfect for the Bills.

I guess I can see that. We really do need a better option at fullback....

BufFan71
11-26-2009, 11:09 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4691552

So Jim Kelly thinks Tebow would be perfect for the Bills.

I guess I can see that. We really do need a better option at fullback....

kelly might as well go hang out with Marv Levy, both dont know what they are talking about anymore

Bills2083
11-26-2009, 11:11 PM
The Bills fans on this MB should separate into 2, or 3 groups and see which one can come up with the best offseason. Obviously, you'll say your group is the best, but hopefully we can see the other's point of view.

ruthlessrussian
11-26-2009, 11:17 PM
That's pretty awesome to think that there are enough Bills fans here now to seperate into multiple groups.

It was so lonely back in the day..

Bills2083
11-26-2009, 11:19 PM
These are the Bills fans of the board:

fischbowl
SuperMcGee
SuperKevin
Bills2083
Rob S
ruthlessrussian
redbills
BufFan71
nepg
thedynasty
Poz51
TheBuffaloBills

ruthlessrussian
11-26-2009, 11:36 PM
The simplest solution for this team to start getting wins is to start staying healthy. Easier said than done obviously but it is the number one thing holding this team back at this point. 14 players on IR will get a team no where which is case right now.

How do you fix the problem? Better conditioning and hope luck is on your side.

SuperMcGee
11-26-2009, 11:47 PM
I wouldn't say it's the number one thing holding us back. We're looking at a leadership overhaul and may have no good options at LT or QB.

Half the names on IR are bogus. But no Butler, Wood, Mitchell, McKelvin, Ellison, or Schouman still does hurt a lot, can't disagree with that. Those are easily our two best offensive linemen, and two starting LB out is a clear trouble for us. TE injuries, especially Schouman, helped put our offense in a bad spot, and you still wanted to see McKelvin this year, even though I feel Florence has played better than McKelvin would have.

redbills
11-27-2009, 12:01 AM
your boy Trevor Scott got 2 sacks to day, i think.

ruthlessrussian
11-27-2009, 12:07 AM
I think all the injuries really have a psychological effect on the team which lowers morale. The play in the first two games of the season as compared to the following games(especially v. the Browns) really shows a contrast of intencity on the field. This is one of the reasons why I think it is such a problem aside from not having talent on the field. But you are right, the leadership is a mess and proper leadership would keep the morale from going down, so getting that fixed is where we need to start. From there figuring out why we cannot keep people healthy would be nice ... If Suh was to fall a few spots to us we might beable to solve some problems as well haha.

Iamcanadian
11-27-2009, 01:22 AM
These are the Bills fans of the board:

fischbowl
SuperMcGee
SuperKevin
Bills2083
Rob S
ruthlessrussian
redbills
BufFan71
nepg
thedynasty
Poz51
TheBuffaloBills

Thanks for the recognition???

Iamcanadian
11-27-2009, 01:30 AM
I'd say the #1 thing holding this franchise back is our owner who since the cap and FA came into being, hasn't spent enough money to keep our franchise competitive. How many stars or solid football starters has he let walk rather than pay them the going rate. Too many to keep this franchise competitive.
It is rather sad that he doesn't have the revenues to keep us competitive. Hopefully, when we get a new owner, he will have the money to return this franchise to its glory years.

Iamcanadian
11-27-2009, 01:35 AM
Almost every site has a thread like this to discuss anything concerning the draft for 2009/2010. I think we need one.

Bills2083
11-27-2009, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the recognition???

I am very sorry

fischbowl
11-27-2009, 11:56 AM
Almost every site has a thread like this to discuss anything concerning the draft for 2009/2010. I think we need one.

For organizational purposes we keep everything limited to just one discussion thread

fischbowl
11-27-2009, 12:08 PM
So, I've been thinking about how the Bills would look if Shanahan took over... What do you Bills fans think?

I think it's a no-brainer that he'd bring Jeremy Bates with him to be the OC and HC in-waiting. Probably bring in Jim Bates as either the DC or defensive consultant/specialist.

2010 Free Agents
Terrell Owens (WR)
Josh Reed (WR)
Derek Schouman (TE)
Bryan Scott (LB)
Jonathan Scott (OT)
George Wilson (DB) - re-sign
Ashton Youboty (CB)

Offense
*With Shanahan coming in, the Bills don't have a ton of moves to make to get their offense going well.
*The main thing is that they need to get their OL and TE positions healthy.
*They have Fred Jackson and Money Lynch signed long-term, so RB is not a worry for a few years (though a 3rd power back is something to look for late in the draft/udfa).
*The only move that would have to be made along the OL is at G pending Eric Wood's recovery (or lack thereof). The rest of this young OL should really excel, and possibly dominate using the Dirty Denver ZBS.
*At Quarterback, I'm going to go with Brohm here. Shanahan's offense is a perfect fit, and Brohm still has just as much potential as probably any QB available in the draft (exception: maybe Locker). I'm of the opinion that a big reason Brohm hasn't worked out so well because some QB's just are incapable of being good backups.
*The TEs the Bills have are perfect for Shanny's offense, pending their health.
* The WR situation is mirky. With Reed and Owens free agents (and Owens definitely gone), they're left with Parish, Evans, and Hardy. They have a big need here and might even consider trading Evans.

Defense
*The defense should be the main focus of the off-season.
*They need to become more stout at the point of attack as their rushing defense is 31st in the NFL, and George Wilson's tackle numbers are insanely high. Stroud's play hasn't been that great, and he's been paired with undersized DTs. I don't dislike Kyle Williams, but he needs to be more of a passing downs package DT.
*At LB, Poz has been good and Ellison's OK (nothing to write home about). They really could use a big upgrade at LB...they need more physical play here for sure.
*With Leodis McKelvin being injured for most of the year, the Bills have had a patchwork group at corner. They've played fairly well, but with the run defense being so bad, the passing defense remains a bit untested.
*The safety group, led by Jairus Byrd, has been solid. They're somewhat undersized, and have missed Donte Whitner at times due to injury, though.
*I like the DE group. They haven't played that great, but there's a ton of potential there, and it's a fairly deep group.

Objectives For 2010 Off-Season
1. Get healthy.
2. Upgrade the run defense and overall physicality of the defense.
3. Add at least one WR, two if Lee Evans is dealt.
4. Make overall depth upgrades on defense.
5. Install the Dirty Denver ZBS.
6. Add a power back behind Lynch & Jackson.

Pre-Draft Moves
Trade Trent Edwards, get back a 4th round pick
(going to go ahead and keep Evans because I don't know that he has much trade value due to his contract and lack of versatility)

Draft (current projection as of 11/25 is the Bills have #7)
1. Rolondo McClain, LB, Alabama
-The DTs are gone, so McClain's probably the best talent available...also fits into the off-season objectives of getting more physical up front.
2. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
-Big, physical DT that can play every down. Very strong, and has good moves. Sees plays well. With McClain and inserted in Buffalo's DT rotation, should fix the run defense problems.
3. Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
-With the Juniors likely to declare and guys like Danario Alexander making fast rises up the boards, LaFell's getting pushed back. This should be a great value pick for a player that can become a key cog in Shanahan's offense.
4a. Javier Arenas, DB, Alabama
-Really not doing this SEC raiding intentionally. Arenas is a versatile DB who can fill a lot of roles for the Bills.
4b. Dan LeFevour, QB, CMU
-Fallback plan for Brian Brohm. Has a lot of Jake Plummer in him, but a much smarter player.
5. Charles Scott, RB, LSU
-Scott would excel in this system. Kind of reminds me of Mike Anderson anyway... Would rather have Anthony Dixon here, but I assume he's long gone. Scott's had an off-year, and won't run that well at the combine or pro day, so he'll fall.
6a. Mike McLaughlin, LB, Boston College
-McLaughlin's had a bit of a down year. He can play a couple different spots in a 4-3, but is best-suited as an ILB. Should provide good depth and special teams play.
6b. Pat Simonds, WR, Colgate
-Big FCS receiver with a ton of production against lower competition.
7a. Eric Olsen, OG, Notre Dame
-Should fit into the system and provide good depth.
7b. Terrell Skinner, S, Maryland
-Big safety who gives the Bills some depth and versatility.

Depth Chart (rough estimate)
QB: Brian Brohm (Fitzpatrick, LeFevour)
RB: Marshawn Lynch (Jackson, Scott, Hairston)
FB: Corey McIntyre
WR: Lee Evans, Brandon LaFell (Parrish, Hardy, Simonds, Johnson)
TE: Shawn Nelson (Fine, Klopfenstein)
LT: Jamon Meredith (Bell)
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Geoff Hangartner (McKinney)
RG: Eric Wood* (Olsen)
RT: Brad Butler (Chambers)

DE: Chris Kelsay, Aaron Schobel (Ellis, Denney, Maybin)
DT: Marcus Stroud, Dan Williams (Williams, McCargo, Johnson)
OLB: Paul Poszluszny (Palmer, Corto)
MLB: Rolondo McClain (Mitchell, McLaughlin)
OLB: Keith Ellison (Draft, Harris)
CB: Leodis McKelvin, Terrence McGee (Florence, Corner, Arenas, Lankster)
S: Jairus Byrd, Dontae Whitner (Wilson, Wendling, Skinner)

As for the Free Agents, I'd resign both Scotts as well. Bryan is versatile depth and Scott has been decent in our crowded attempts at filling the tackle position. I'd also resign Josh Reed, only because I forsee Roscoe being on the trading block and a need for a veteran presence at WR alongside Lee. I love George Wilson, love him.

As for the draft, I have no issues with the first three picks. McClain is the best linebacker prospect since Patrick Willis, Dan Williams is having a Robert Ayers like climb and is perfect for the cover-2. LaFell would be a gift if he fell that far.

My only issue with Arenas is that I feel CB isn't a need at all. Corner and Florence are respectable nickel and dime backs and you forgot how the Sex will run our defense by next year anyways.

I love LeFevour. Bringing the mojo back to MAC quarterbacks.

Obviously the late round RB if we get Shanny. Of course!

With McLaughlin, we don't want to get too young in the LB corps. We still have Nic Harris and Ashlee Palmer.

The rest I have no issue with

Rob S
11-27-2009, 04:15 PM
I think the one thread idea is better. So often in the past people used the discussion thread for draft talk instead of the draft thread anyway. If it becomes a problem I will create one.

Rob S
11-27-2009, 04:28 PM
Personally, I dont think we have enough talent on the OL regardless of the system. LB and OT are huge needs for next year and not having a franchise QB is looking like it will haunt us for quite a while longer. Even with Shanny I dont see the Bills being fixed in 1 offseason, this is a 2-3 year process.

BuffaloBillsFan
11-27-2009, 09:19 PM
Personally, I dont think we have enough talent on the OL regardless of the system. LB and OT are huge needs for next year and not having a franchise QB is looking like it will haunt us for quite a while longer. Even with Shanny I dont see the Bills being fixed in 1 offseason, this is a 2-3 year process.

Yep, we could use another linebacker, receiver, tight end, left tackle amongst things. I'm not very high on Marshawn or Whitner, I'd love to see us wheel and deal those two for good value. Personally, I think we could do much better.

nepg
11-28-2009, 07:42 AM
Personally, I dont think we have enough talent on the OL regardless of the system. LB and OT are huge needs for next year and not having a franchise QB is looking like it will haunt us for quite a while longer. Even with Shanny I dont see the Bills being fixed in 1 offseason, this is a 2-3 year process.
Oh, I wasn't projecting a 1-offseason instant fix by any means. This team has some issues.

I think we'll see a lot of Brohm in the coming weeks, and I think there's a decent chance the Bills grabbed a franchise QB off a PS. We'll see, though. I think you give Brohm and Meredith a chance at QB & LT, respectively.

I like Meredith a lot, and that's the only position along the OL that is any kind of an issue (barring health). The thinking is that Mike Shanahan worked worked with and won Super Bowls with far less talent than what the Bills have at OL. Aside from Nalen, the rest of the guys were pretty much scrubs. That system did wonders for them.

I like trading Lynch, but it's not adventageous to do that this off-season. Let him have a monster season with Shanahan to inflate his value, then trade him. He has social issues and is slightly injury prone.

I went with Arenas because the Bills always have injury issues at CB, and Arenas also returns kicks and punts. He's super-versatile and can keep the team healthier.

Looking back at it, I do agree that more of those FA's need to be re-signed. They're cheap and perform solid roles.

I agree that we haven't seen enough of the DEs to tell whether it's a safe position or not, but Kelsay and Schobel aren't going anywhere for a couple years, so it's good for now.

For the LB depth chart...rearrange it however you want. I wasn't really sure what to do with it, to be honest. I do like Mitchell, but the dude suffers a season-ending injury every other year (literally).

SuperMcGee
11-28-2009, 02:08 PM
I think you give Brohm and Meredith a chance at QB & LT, respectively.


I'm waiting for a Packer fan to see this and laugh.

I do hope we see a good amount of Brohm, though. He could be something. But I really don't think that the O-line situation is as easy as you think it is with Shanahan.

And forget letting Lynch raise his value (I doubt he gets traded, anyway). Just five it to Freddy now and watch us do better.

Rob S
11-28-2009, 05:10 PM
viewing brohm as a potential franchise QB is more wishful thinking than anything imo. If it turns out he is one, ******* awesome, but he has done absolutely nothing to warrant that kind of lofty rating. Hell, he hasnt done anything but get relegated to the PS......Bills fans need to stop clinging to false hope in the form of marginal players.

Iamcanadian
11-28-2009, 11:04 PM
viewing brohm as a potential franchise QB is more wishful thinking than anything imo. If it turns out he is one, ******* awesome, but he has done absolutely nothing to warrant that kind of lofty rating. Hell, he hasnt done anything but get relegated to the PS......Bills fans need to stop clinging to false hope in the form of marginal players.

I totally agree, unless we draft a QB in round 1, Edwards is still our best hope for any success. Brohm and Fitzpatrick are nothing but backup material at best and if either is our starter, we'll be in the race for the #1 pick overall.

fischbowl
11-29-2009, 12:27 AM
I totally agree, unless we draft a QB in round 1, Edwards is still our best hope for any success. Brohm and Fitzpatrick are nothing but backup material at best and if either is our starter, we'll be in the race for the #1 pick overall.

My question is, how is this not obvious to every Bills fan? Sure he's a nice option, but a former 2nd round pick who found himself on the practice squad one year after he was drafted? Sounds like a franchise QB to me

BuffaloBillsFan
11-29-2009, 12:36 AM
My question is, how is this not obvious to every Bills fan? Sure he's a nice option, but a former 2nd round pick who found himself on the practice squad one year after he was drafted? Sounds like a franchise QB to me

No kidding, he is definitely the future for Buffalo. :rolleyes:

SuperMcGee
11-29-2009, 01:58 AM
Oh, whatever. Obviously this signing shouldn't be throwing people off hoping for Clausen (won't be there for us :(), but I want to see some looks. I'm not saying he should be entrenched as our starter going into 2010, but I think he's a good option to have on the team, I really do.

At this point, it's less disgusting than saying that the benched Trent Edwards is our best hope for success, even if it's less true at the same time.

nepg
11-29-2009, 07:17 AM
All I am say-ing
Is give Brohm a chance

You can't really go off of what happened with him in Green Bay. You're talking about a guy who went into the draft as a guy who was supposed to be drafted as a franchise QB. He got drafted by a team that already had one (one year his senior), and there was zero competition. A guy like Brohm, who expects to at least compete for a starting job, is never going to do well in a situation like that.

I think Buffalo will give us a much more accurate reading on the guy as he's already had his bumps and is in a position to compete for a long-term starting QB position.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 09:37 AM
Brohm did get beat out by 7th round fellow rookie Matt Flynn though. Probably because of SEC SPEEDZ

Rob S
11-29-2009, 10:08 AM
Right now Trent is our best QB, however, since its clear we are moving on I say give Brohm a look for the rest of the year. Unless he looks absolutely awesome, I say we do the right thing for once and go for the stud QB early and, heres a novel idea, dont play them right away so maybe we can build some semblance of an OL before we throw him to the wolves.

fischbowl
11-29-2009, 02:59 PM
http://media.buffalonews.com/smedia/2009/11/29/14/FITZPATRICK_TD.standalone.prod_affiliate.50.jpg

Great game lovers. 4-7! Hell, even Corey Mace got an interception

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 03:05 PM
The only reason I like Fitzpatrick is because he manages to get Terrell Owens involved. If Owens had been getting looks like this from the get go he might have considered coming back.

redbills
11-29-2009, 03:23 PM
I really like Fewell, always have. I am all for him coming back if he will get bigger on D.

Bills2083
11-29-2009, 03:24 PM
So now what?
Do we keep Perry as head coach if we finish strong?

BufFan71
11-29-2009, 03:26 PM
if we cant land a big time HC
i would love for Fewell to be the HC



but i sure would love for T.O to be back next year

Rob S
11-29-2009, 03:27 PM
idk man..........I really feel like we must go with a Shanny if we can get them here. If Fewell gets this team to 7-9 or 8-8, you couldn't really argue against him tho.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 03:37 PM
Do we really want to settle for another 7-9 season though? Granted it's a late season turnaround but Fewell is still a part of the coaching staff that's gone 7-9 for ages. Might be nice to go in a different direction

SuperMcGee
11-29-2009, 03:40 PM
Beat New England. Win job.

There's been so much talk to this point. 4-5 high profile coaches names have been thrown out there and pretty much confirmed. Fewell still needs to do a lot to ward this off. With playoffs already out of the picture, it'll be tough. But much credit to him in changing the atmosphere and getting results. His advantage is that he knows to just do what Jauron wouldn't.

Is there any way that you can't be all for Freddy being the guy?
Fewell, Freddy, and Fitz is win!

Even Florence and Whitner are getting picks, now. I expect it from Corey Mace, but now we're just full of ballhawks!

ruthlessrussian
11-29-2009, 03:59 PM
Beat New England. Win job.

There's been so much talk to this point. 4-5 high profile coaches names have been thrown out there and pretty much confirmed. Fewell still needs to do a lot to ward this off. With playoffs already out of the picture, it'll be tough. But much credit to him in changing the atmosphere and getting results. His advantage is that he knows to just do what Jauron wouldn't.

Is there any way that you can't be all for Freddy being the guy?
Fewell, Freddy, and Fitz is win!

Even Florence and Whitner are getting picks, now. I expect it from Corey Mace, but now we're just full of ballhawks!

21 picks on the season now - good for 1st in the league.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 04:05 PM
I'm kind of shocked that teams haven't decided just to run 60 times a game against us. We can't stop it

ruthlessrussian
11-29-2009, 04:11 PM
Right? The fact that teams still pass deep on us is truly something to be thankful about.

Poz51
11-30-2009, 11:49 AM
My question is, how is this not obvious to every Bills fan? Sure he's a nice option, but a former 2nd round pick who found himself on the practice squad one year after he was drafted? Sounds like a franchise QB to me

Edwards has failed to prove anything, other than he knows how to check down and that he is not capable of throwing the deep ball... Fitzpatrick has played well enough to win, takes advantage of his inteligence, in addition to throwing the deep ball... As for Brohm, he was a "sure thing" top five pick going into his senior season, a season in which the head coach up and left for Atlanta (yes, Petrino), a season in which he had to learn a new offense, one that was not similar to the vertical style Petrino used and Brohm flurished in, a season in which he lost his top two tailbacks to the NFL, leaving him, a young Eric Wood, and Harry Douglas as the only things resembling offensive talent, and he still flourished, YPA and rating went down slightly, but that is bound to happen when a team changes there head coach (who is more conservative), and losses its running game. He might not have been the franchise QB in green bay, who runs a west coast offense (again not what Brohm was used too), and did try to match the bills offer, in addition to only keeping 2 qb's on the active roster, leaving Brohm as essentially the third stringer on the practice roster, trying to learn an offense completely opposite to anything he had ever seen before. Why not give him a chance? Watch the 2007 orange bowl if you need to see what Brohm is made of. Once upon a time Brett Farve backed up Chris Miller, who knew??

Poz51
11-30-2009, 11:53 AM
I'm kind of shocked that teams haven't decided just to run 60 times a game against us. We can't stop it

Why would the phins stop running ricky and put the game in henne's hands with the playoffs essentially being on the line... Stupid... With a safety playing olb its a miracle teams try to throw into the strength of the bills defense, instead of running 60-80% of the time. Laughed the entire forth quarter!!

Poz51
11-30-2009, 12:34 PM
So, I've been thinking about how the Bills would look if Shanahan took over... What do you Bills fans think?

I think it's a no-brainer that he'd bring Jeremy Bates with him to be the OC and HC in-waiting. Probably bring in Jim Bates as either the DC or defensive consultant/specialist. Most likely, but Fewell should be retained to lead the defense, although I doubt it would happen

2010 Free Agents
Terrell Owens (WR) To retain or not to retain
Josh Reed (WR) at the right price
Derek Schouman (TE) can do without, but was showing some promise
Bryan Scott (LB) would be nice to keep, but the position is stacked
Jonathan Scott (OT) could live without
George Wilson (DB) - re-sign amen
Ashton Youboty (CB) to many injuries

Offense
*With Shanahan coming in, the Bills don't have a ton of moves to make to get their offense going well. still need a left tackle
*The main thing is that they need to get their OL and TE positions healthy.
*They have Fred Jackson and Money Lynch signed long-term, so RB is not a worry for a few years (though a 3rd power back is something to look for late in the draft/udfa). Jackson needs to start, would excell in the ZBS
*The only move that would have to be made along the OL is at G pending Eric Wood's recovery (or lack thereof). The rest of this young OL should really excel, and possibly dominate using the Dirty Denver ZBS. possible, but a left tackle would not hurt
*At Quarterback, I'm going to go with Brohm here. Shanahan's offense is a perfect fit, and Brohm still has just as much potential as probably any QB available in the draft (exception: maybe Locker). I'm of the opinion that a big reason Brohm hasn't worked out so well because some QB's just are incapable of being good backups. agreed
*The TEs the Bills have are perfect for Shanny's offense, pending their health.
nelson for sure, I am not sold on the rest, personally
* The WR situation is mirky. With Reed and Owens free agents (and Owens definitely gone), they're left with Parish, Evans, and Hardy. They have a big need here and might even consider trading Evans. Turn over could make the a big time priority

Defense
*The defense should be the main focus of the off-season. Depending on the head coach, this defense is a olb and dt away from being special
*They need to become more stout at the point of attack as their rushing defense is 31st in the NFL, and George Wilson's tackle numbers are insanely high. Stroud's play hasn't been that great, and he's been paired with undersized DTs. I don't dislike Kyle Williams, but he needs to be more of a passing downs package DT. Williams is the best player on the d-line this year, when completely healthy is a 3 down nightmare for the opposition
*At LB, Poz has been good and Ellison's OK (nothing to write home about). They really could use a big upgrade at LB...they need more physical play here for sure. Rolando McClain, who could play strong side would be perfect
*With Leodis McKelvin being injured for most of the year, the Bills have had a patchwork group at corner. They've played fairly well, but with the run defense being so bad, the passing defense remains a bit untested. pass defense has consistantly been the best part of the defense
*The safety group, led by Jairus Byrd, has been solid. They're somewhat undersized, and have missed Donte Whitner at times due to injury, though.
*I like the DE group. They haven't played that great, but there's a ton of potential there, and it's a fairly deep group.Maybin was a horrible pick with Orakpo there, imagine this defense with his 7 sacks, schobel is still solid, kelsey is good for the rotation, but whay happened to Maybin's quick first step, every time he is on the field he is the last one off the ball, personally I am not sold on the group

Objectives For 2010 Off-Season
1. Get healthy. new strength and conditioning coach, this is two years running of non stop injuries
2. Upgrade the run defense and overall physicality of the defense. im buying, but overall the defense is a strength as is
3. Add at least one WR, two if Lee Evans is dealt. Keep Lee, pick up one
4. Make overall depth upgrades on defense.
5. Install the Dirty Denver ZBS. could be the answer
6. Add a power back behind Lynch & Jackson. What about trading Lynch? He dances way too much

Pre-Draft Moves
Trade Trent Edwards, get back a 4th round pick Would be nice
(going to go ahead and keep Evans because I don't know that he has much trade value due to his contract and lack of versatility)

Draft (current projection as of 11/25 is the Bills have #7)
1. Rolondo McClain, LB, Alabama
-The DTs are gone, so McClain's probably the best talent available...also fits into the off-season objectives of getting more physical up front. sold
2. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
-Big, physical DT that can play every down. Very strong, and has good moves. Sees plays well. With McClain and inserted in Buffalo's DT rotation, should fix the run defense problems. sold
3. Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
-With the Juniors likely to declare and guys like Danario Alexander making fast rises up the boards, LaFell's getting pushed back. This should be a great value pick for a player that can become a key cog in Shanahan's offense. sold
4a. Javier Arenas, DB, Alabama
-Really not doing this SEC raiding intentionally. Arenas is a versatile DB who can fill a lot of roles for the Bills. True, but do we need another corner
4b. Dan LeFevour, QB, CMU
-Fallback plan for Brian Brohm. Has a lot of Jake Plummer in him, but a much smarter player. sold, but another young developmental qb?
5. Charles Scott, RB, LSU
-Scott would excel in this system. Kind of reminds me of Mike Anderson anyway... Would rather have Anthony Dixon here, but I assume he's long gone. Scott's had an off-year, and won't run that well at the combine or pro day, so he'll fall. one cut runner, sold
6a. Mike McLaughlin, LB, Boston College
-McLaughlin's had a bit of a down year. He can play a couple different spots in a 4-3, but is best-suited as an ILB. Should provide good depth and special teams play. hmm...
6b. Pat Simonds, WR, Colgate
-Big FCS receiver with a ton of production against lower competition. udfa
7a. Eric Olsen, OG, Notre Dame
-Should fit into the system and provide good depth. possible
7b. Terrell Skinner, S, Maryland
-Big safety who gives the Bills some depth and versatility. positional overkill

Depth Chart (rough estimate)
QB: Brian Brohm (Fitzpatrick, LeFevour)
RB: Marshawn Lynch (Jackson, Scott, Hairston)
FB: Corey McIntyre
WR: Lee Evans, Brandon LaFell (Parrish, Hardy, Simonds, Johnson)
TE: Shawn Nelson (Fine, Klopfenstein)
LT: Jamon Meredith (Bell)
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Geoff Hangartner (McKinney)
RG: Eric Wood* (Olsen)
RT: Brad Butler (Chambers)

DE: Chris Kelsay, Aaron Schobel (Ellis, Denney, Maybin)
DT: Marcus Stroud, Dan Williams (Williams, McCargo, Johnson)
OLB: Paul Poszluszny (Palmer, Corto)
MLB: Rolondo McClain (Mitchell, McLaughlin)
OLB: Keith Ellison (Draft, Harris)
CB: Leodis McKelvin, Terrence McGee (Florence, Corner, Arenas, Lankster)
S: Jairus Byrd, Dontae Whitner (Wilson, Wendling, Skinner)

Overall I like the analysis alot, I put some initial thoughts in bold, Shanny would definetly shake things up, although I am not sure all of it would be for the better, like the thought put into it, added rep, nice job!

fischbowl
11-30-2009, 03:41 PM
nepg, just realizing this now, but Jeremy Bates is the man, I used to know him well.

Poz, all I'm saying is that I'm not sure why some fans think that Brohm is the chosen one for the QB campaign. Sure he's still a solid prospect, I'm not denying that

Poz51
12-01-2009, 07:09 AM
nepg, just realizing this now, but Jeremy Bates is the man, I used to know him well.

Poz, all I'm saying is that I'm not sure why some fans think that Brohm is the chosen one for the QB campaign. Sure he's still a solid prospect, I'm not denying that

I was not trying to be to strong in my response, I do not think he is going to be the "chosen one" for sure, but I do think he is worth a shot, although I am sure Fewell will ride out Fitzpatrick untill they are no longer competitive. Brohm is someone I have followed closely since his days in kenucky, and it still amazes me how Petrino leaving sent his career down this imaginary spiral. The Bills current offense fits him perfectly... Jeremy Bates however is someone I am not overly familiar with, whats his offensive philosophy? I would appreciate any insight.

Iamcanadian
12-02-2009, 11:36 AM
Brohm is a possible 3rd stringer for our team and nothing more. He may not even survive training camp. He is a practice squad waiver pick up, hardly a recommendation for any player.
It appears to be Fitzpatrick's job to lose although we may well draft another QB in round 1 who can be our starter by game 8 next year.
As for our HC, if Fewell continues to win, the HC search may well be called off and he will remain as our HC. Wilson may want to hire a big name HC but does a big name HC want to come to Buffalo when it is well know around the league that Wilson won't spend the money to be a competitive franchise.
I just cannot see Shanahan, Gruden or Cowher picking Buffalo as a place to end their career. They are looking for a franchise that can win quickly so they can go out in glory.

fischbowl
12-03-2009, 12:58 PM
You gentlemen ready? Are your faces painted and war cries recited for battle?

Bills Fans! Ready your breakfast and eat hearty, for tonight, we dine in hell! The world will know that free men stood against tyrants, that few stood against many, and before this battle was over, even the Jets can bleed. Madness? THIS IS BUFFALO! (err.......Toronto series....err)

fischbowl
12-03-2009, 10:36 PM
http://img111.yukle.tc/images/4629378px-Bacardi_151_bottle.jpg

Hello Mr. 151, my name is fischbowl, glad to see you'll be handling my discourse for the remainder of the evening.

redbills
12-03-2009, 10:41 PM
ugh, I am done with T.O. 3 times today he didn't even go for the ball when he choud have made a play.

BufFan71
12-04-2009, 09:36 AM
back to reality...


this SHOWS we need to draft a QB

redbills
12-04-2009, 10:53 AM
After Lynchs' 2 nice runs, the last ending in a TD how many carries did he get after that? He got the TD and I was like "Lets pound Lynch the rest of the game". It seemed like he got maybe 2 more carries after the TD. :mad:

redbills
12-04-2009, 12:33 PM
So I went back and looked at all my mock draft games and here are my picks

2007
Bills Draft:
024. BUF (f/NE(f/SEA)- Darrelle Revis-CB-Pittsburgh
033. BUF (f/OAK)- Arron Sears-OG-Tennessee
040. BUF (f/MIA)- Jon Beason-OLB-Miami (FL)
060. BUF (f/NE)- Tony Hunt-RB-Penn State
077. BUF (f/PIT)- Paul Soliai-DT-Utah
098. BUF (f/DET)- Johnnie Lee Higgins-WR-UTEP
129. BUF (f/OAK)- Joe Newton-TE-Oregon State
188. BUF (f/NE)- Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
197. BUF (f/NE(f/ARZ)- Zak DeOssie, LB, Brown
209. BUF (f/PIT)- Jason Snelling, FB, Virginia

Recap: Revis is one of the best in the game. Sears started all but 1 game first two years, this year had "personal issues" and did not play. Beason is rated has a top 10 LB, has played in every game in 3 years. Hunt, bust. Soliai, huge run stuffer, would be nice to have him now. Higgins, soild return man. Newton, 3 years no catches, not on a team. Taylor, classic boom-or-bust prospect, we know how that went. DeOssie, long snapper for the G-Men, third leading tackler for them. Snelling is a RB/FB for ATL, would love to have got him.

2008
11. Buffalo (7-9)-Derrick Harvey-DE-Florida
41. Buffalo (7-9)-Antoine Cason-CB-Arizona
72. Buffalo -- from Baltimore (5-11)-Mario Manningham-WR-Michigan
114. Buffalo (7-9)-Jerome Simpson-WR-Coastal Carolina
132. Buffalo (7-9) NFL Compensatory pick-Martin Rucker-TE-Missouri
143. Buffalo -- from Chicago (7-9)-Jermichael Finley-TE-Texas
179. Buffalo (7-9)-Geno Hayes-LB-Florida State
219. Buffalo (7-9)-Thaddeus Coleman-OT-Mississippi Valley State
251. Buffalo (8-8) NFL Compensatory pick-Kerry Brown-OG-Appalachian State

Recap: Harvey, 3.5 sacks first year none this year. Cason, has 4 picks so far in two years is SD #3 CB. Manningham is haveing a great year this year, I think he has been hurt a lot also. Simpson, classic boom-or-bust prospect, we know how that is going. Rucker has 2 catches in 2 years. Finley, is starting to become a big wepon for GB. Hayes, plays ST, starts because of injuries this year. Coleman was super raw (think D.Bell) is a CFL Free Agent. Brown was a UDFA for WAS now a FA.

2009 (Before the Peters Trade so I didn't have pick 28)
11-Buffalo Bills-Malcolm Jenkins-DB-Ohio State
42-Buffalo Bills-Peria Jerry-DT-Mississippi
82-Buffalo Bills (Via MIA, DET, DAL)-Shawn Nelson-TE-Southern Mississippi
110-Buffalo Bills-Eric Wood-OL-Louisville
122-Buffalo Bills (Via HOU, MIN)-Tyrone McKenzie-LB-South Florida
162-Buffalo Bills (Via BAL)-David Veikune-DE-Hawaii
198-Buffalo Bills (Via BAL)-Anthony Hill-TE-N.C. State
223-Buffalo Bills (Via HOU)-Michael Mitchell-S-Ohio
240-Buffalo Bills (Via ARZ)-Gartrell Johnson-RB-Colorado State

fischbowl
12-04-2009, 03:50 PM
Do you remember what time of the year you did those mocks? Because more towards the draft, some of those picks would have been unrealistic

redbills
12-04-2009, 03:56 PM
Start of April for all. 1st on was on BB.com others on WF.com.

Iamcanadian
12-05-2009, 02:00 AM
Not to be critical but a lot of your starters that you chose were all 1st rounders so we weren't going to get them anyways.

2007
Revis - we were playing a Cover 2 defense at the time which doesn't require its CB's to play man to man.
Beason was a middle of round 1 pick, a solid pick but we weren't going to get him in round 3.

2008
Harvey is a flop and Carson was a 1st rounder so we couldn't get him in round 2. Some nice picks in the later rounds though.

2009
You have us drafting 3 1st rounders, 2 past the 1st round, and a couple of your late picks were 2nd rounders.

I'd have to say that some of your 2nd and 3rd rounders went in round 1 making your mocks a bit unrealistic.

redbills
12-05-2009, 05:40 AM
Beason was the 40th pick, 2nd R in the draft game so I didn't pick him in the 3rd.

you don't get it at all, it was a draft game, 32 people = 32 GMs, it wasn't a mock draft it was a draft game. I was GM of the Bills.

ruthlessrussian
12-06-2009, 06:46 AM
http://img111.yukle.tc/images/4629378px-Bacardi_151_bottle.jpg

Hello Mr. 151, my name is fischbowl, glad to see you'll be handling my discourse for the remainder of the evening.


151??.. You are a sick, sick man Mr. Fischbowl.

RaiderNation
12-08-2009, 06:58 PM
Whats the deal with Marshawn Lynch? He in the dog house, not playing well? Whats his future with you guys

redbills
12-08-2009, 07:30 PM
No holes in run game, Jacksons' play. Thats bout it imo.

Poz51
12-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Whats the deal with Marshawn Lynch? He in the dog house, not playing well? Whats his future with you guys

Red is right on, patchwork line, limited room to run, plus he still dances in the hole too much, and Jackson is just flat out playing better... Missing the first three games and some minor injuries have done him no favors either (Lynch). Next year will be a big year for his future in Buffalo, need to see more of his running from his first two years in the league... For some reason he helped march the bills down the field against the jets, scored a touch down then I think I saw him carry the ball one more time? It was wierd, but alot will depend on the new GM and coach in terms of his future with the Bills, at least thats my thoughts on it...

Rob S
12-09-2009, 05:57 PM
God, I hate this team so much. Its really crazy. I have never hated a team this much ever.

BuffaloBillsFan
12-09-2009, 06:58 PM
Whats the deal with Marshawn Lynch? He in the dog house, not playing well? Whats his future with you guys

Everybody knows that Marshawn is still a pro-bowl caliber of running back but he somehow found his way into this regimes dog house. Lynch obviously has more potential than Freddy Jackson, but nowhere near the same production this year, but then again, we haven't been exactly feeding him the ball. Most Bills fans would be happy if we traded Lynch away for a 2nd round pick.

SuperMcGee
12-10-2009, 12:57 AM
Lynch looks far from a Pro Bowl RB. He dances and has no vision. The latter part we knew, but the prior has gotten to a ridiculous point. Marshawn Inch at his best. If we could see some more of what we saw against the Jets, it would be fine. But he's being outplayed.
We haven't really let any of our RB get into a rhythm since he returned, outside of Freddy against Miami. Being a bad team doesn't help.

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 12:40 PM
Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that "we are holding our position." We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. The Chiefs are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill *their* blood. Shoot *them* in the belly. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like crap through a goose! We're not just going to tackle the bastards, we're going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads on our cleats. Now, The Bills are a team - it lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. We're gonna keep fighting. Is that clear? We're gonna attack all first half, we're gonna attack in the secnd half. If we are not victorious, let no man come back alive!

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 12:41 PM
We should have let Ryan Fitzpatrick start from Day 1. He at least throws the ball to T.O.

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 01:24 PM
Anyone else disappointed we didn't just go for it on 4th and 1 with a minute left?

redbills
12-13-2009, 01:29 PM
don't feel like waching the game today. don't want to watch ****** football.

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 01:30 PM
don't feel like waching the game today. don't want to watch ****** football.

We're winning at the half if that is any consolation

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 01:48 PM
Oh Terrence McGee, my sweet prince

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 01:51 PM
Scratch that. I hate myself

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 02:12 PM
All I want for the christmas is someone who can stop the run

redbills
12-13-2009, 02:22 PM
Watching some of the MIN v CIN game, why did we let Winfield and Pat Williams go?????????

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 02:57 PM
Jai-Byrd for DROY

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 03:15 PM
Jairus Byrd is amazing

SuperMcGee
12-13-2009, 03:30 PM
don't feel like waching the game today. don't want to watch ****** football.

Well poo on you.

Bills win!

Did anyone else get a little excited/heartbroken every time they said "Corey Mays" for the Chiefs?

The real Corey Mace deserved better from us.

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 06:14 PM
Jai-Byrd for DROY

Brian Orakpo is threatening that statement. 3 sacks today brings him to 10 on the year

619
12-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Brian Orakpo is threatening that statement. 3 sacks today brings him to 10 on the year

He actually has 4 sacks bringing the total to 11. It could go either way between the two, should be a tight vote.

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 06:27 PM
He actually has 4 sacks bringing the total to 11. It could go either way between the two, should be a tight vote.

Add Brian Cushing who is having a strong all around season and it's a really tight race

redbills
12-13-2009, 07:05 PM
HAHAHA. O-Sack-Po had 4 sacks today? LOL, Good job FO passing on a guy who gets almost a sack a game for a guy that gets a lucky tackle every game. LOL

redbills
12-13-2009, 07:11 PM
Orakpo 11 sacks
Maybin 11...........tackles
LOL

redbills
12-13-2009, 07:45 PM
I ******* hate this team so much, we suck so ******* hard. Since I remeber we have sucked. I think I am going to give it 1 more coach and if things don't change I am just not going to have a fav. team.

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 07:46 PM
I'd hate to see how you'd have reacted if we had lost

redbills
12-13-2009, 07:47 PM
I didn't watch the game but if you need a last min. INT to beat ******* KC, you suck.

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 07:54 PM
HAHAHA. O-Sack-Po had 4 sacks today? LOL, Good job FO passing on a guy who gets almost a sack a game for a guy that gets a lucky tackle every game. LOL

I'm not 100% certain Orakpo would fare any better than Maybin in Buffalo. Maybin is getting minimal playing time because Schobel and Kelsay have stepped it up and become better pass rushers, eliminating the need for the situational pass rusher. Orakpo would probably be in the same boat

Poz51
12-13-2009, 09:54 PM
I'm not 100% certain Orakpo would fare any better than Maybin in Buffalo. Maybin is getting minimal playing time because Schobel and Kelsay have stepped it up and become better pass rushers, eliminating the need for the situational pass rusher. Orakpo would probably be in the same boat

Understandable, but wouldnt he look good playing SAM backer right about now...

SuperMcGee
12-13-2009, 10:26 PM
Orakpo is not a converted safety, so there's just no way that would happen.

fischbowl
12-13-2009, 10:44 PM
At this point, how would you grade the '09 draft?

Maybin - C
Wood - Incomplete
Byrd - A+
Levitre - B+
Nelson - B
Harris - B-
Harris - D
Lankster - A+

Bills2083
12-13-2009, 10:57 PM
Fisch, IMO, you're being far too leniant on Maybin.
He's done jack-squat thus far.
I think he should be in the D, D- range.

BufFan71
12-14-2009, 12:15 AM
Maybin - D
==Hasnt been able to see the field much. Has 11 tackles. Orakpo has 11 sacks

Wood - C
==drastically overrated by the bills fans. Hes gonna be a good player, but he had some terrible games

Byrd - A+
===9 ints... nuff said

Levitre - B+
=== best player on our oline. doesnt say much

Nelson - B
=== shown flashes.


Harris - F-
Harris - F
Lankster - F
None of these guys see the field. IIRC, Cary Harris is on the PS. Lankaster hasnt been active. Nic Harris has been a huge disapointment

SuperMcGee
12-14-2009, 12:21 AM
Rectify that Sexgrade asap. He does special teams, and will more than likely break Jairus Byrd's interception records over the next 3 weeks.

F is too harsh on Nic Harris, also. 5th round project linebacker, what are you expecting?

Wood was still kind of a mauler out there. Not amazing, but good.

And Brad Butler is the best player on our line. But I'd understand if you just weren't counting him this year.

BufFan71
12-14-2009, 12:25 AM
Rectify that Sexgrade asap. He does special teams, and will more than likely break Jairus Byrd's interception records over the next 3 weeks.
F is too harsh on Nic Harris, also. 5th round project linebacker, what are you expecting?
Wood was still kind of a mauler out there. Not amazing, but good.
And Brad Butler is the best player on our line. But I'd understand if you just weren't counting him this year.

unlike most bills fan.. im not a big Lankaster fan...

Nic Harris couldnt touch the field over AShlee Palmer, when Kiwi got hurt, ellison out, buggs out...

I did not count butler b/c he got injured so early in the season

SuperMcGee
12-14-2009, 02:30 AM
Didn't Nic Harris start today above Palmer (who had an absolutely sick tackle on special teams) ?

ruthlessrussian
12-14-2009, 06:57 AM
It's understandable to be pissed when making the Orakpo - Maybin comparisons right now but im in full agreement with SK when he says Orakpo wouldn't be fairing much better than Maybin if we would have drafted him instead. We simply don't need a rookie pass rusher as much right now.

If we could go back, knowing that our pass rush would be improved(ie Schobel being healthy for a season), we should have taken Cushing or Oher with our top pick. But the decision the FO made was based off the idea that we needed a 3rd down pass rusher. Furthermore a pass rusher for the future...

Which leads me to one more point. Maybin is still 21 years old right now, almost a full two years younger than Orakpo. It was almost consensus that Maybin should have stayed another year at Penn st, but because of potential he was given a first round grade. Maybin's potential to grow into a double digit sack artist in the teams future is definitely there, that is another reason why we drafted him.

So this season I will agree, he is nothing, but there is no reason to assume that Orakpo's production in Washington would have translated to production in Buffalo.

fischbowl
12-14-2009, 09:47 AM
unlike most bills fan.. im not a big Lankaster fan..

This may be grounds for banishment, must we break out the Sex Rules?

Poz51
12-14-2009, 10:08 AM
Orakpo is not a converted safety, so there's just no way that would happen.

Lol, definetly not worth the 11th pick in the draft either... Have you turned in your GM application, I hear Brandon is accepting applications from the general public....

redbills
12-15-2009, 04:15 PM
look at my sweet new sig!
I couldn't find a good pic of him in a Bills jersey (Prob. cuz he sucks)

fischbowl
12-15-2009, 05:58 PM
look at my sweet new sig!
I couldn't find a good pic of him in a Bills jersey (Prob. cuz he sucks)

Sure he's done jack but I think it's too early for the bust label

holt_bruce81
12-16-2009, 04:41 PM
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/12/buffalo-bills-claim-incognito-on-waivers/

Offensive guard Richie Incognito has a new home. Released by the St. Louis Rams on Tuesday, Incognito was claimed by the Buffalo Bills on Wednesday. The Miami Dolphins also put in a claim, but since Buffalo has a worse record _ 5-8 to Miamiís 7-6 _ the Bills were awarded Incognito.

Good luck with him. He has a hell of a lt of talent, just will drive you crazy with his boneheaded penalties that absolutely kill drives.

redbills
12-16-2009, 06:46 PM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/players/scouting?playerId=8495

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 64 | Tied for 64th best OG


Comment: He's an adequate athlete with good size and strength. He plays aggressive and will sell out to obtain results. As a run-blocker, he shows good initial quickness and pad level. He has some initial pop on contact and will bring his feet to create movement as an inline blocker. He is strong on combo blocks providing good mesh and leg drive at the point. He is inconsistent working off of combo blocks to secure in space. He struggles to adjust and gets overextended. He has limited body control in space. He reacts well to penetration and can slide laterally. He pushes defenders wide, creating big seams. When asked to make short pulls, he struggles to adjust in the hole. In pass protection, he lacks the foot quickness and will waist bend. He is quick to set and use a wide base. He can anchor with inline power, but is not real quick-footed to mirror. He will throw a physical punch, but gets overextended at times. He struggles versus quick change-of-direction rushers and tends to be beaten by good spin moves. He also lacks range and adjustment skills in space on screens.

Rob S
12-17-2009, 01:01 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/12/buffalo-bills-claim-incognito-on-waivers/



Good luck with him. He has a hell of a lt of talent, just will drive you crazy with his boneheaded penalties that absolutely kill drives.

Sounds like he will fit right in ;)

Rob S
12-17-2009, 01:04 AM
btw, BufFan is just asking for me to exploit my powers with this anti-sex talk. From now on any anti-sex posts will be deleted, you have been warned.

SuperKevin
12-20-2009, 12:27 PM
I don't recognize more than half of the names on our OL depth chart

fischbowl
12-20-2009, 01:05 PM
Oh Fitzy........

BufFan71
12-20-2009, 01:13 PM
we'd be winning if it wasnt for the refs

SuperMcGee
12-20-2009, 01:18 PM
I don't recognize more than half of the names on our OL depth chart

Seriously. I was thinking "when did we get this guy?" when he checked in. Sure enough, he blew Freddy's touchdown.

BufFan71
12-20-2009, 03:05 PM
im gonna go through the roster and list players who need to be cut/released

Kirk Chambers
Jon Corto
Trent Edwards
Chris Ellis
Christian Gaddis
Justin Jenkins
Jamon Meredith
Andre Ramsey--who?
Josh Reed
Johnathen Scott
Ashton Youboty

could make a case for Ryan Denny, Chris Kelsay
not including some guys on IR

SuperKevin
12-20-2009, 03:09 PM
I like Josh Reed as a 4th WR. He's really the only guy I feel confident with going over the middle.

Denney provides solid value as a DE on rushing downs while Kelsay has become a servicable starter at DE

BufFan71
12-20-2009, 03:19 PM
I like Josh Reed as a 4th WR. He's really the only guy I feel confident with going over the middle.

Denney provides solid value as a DE on rushing downs while Kelsay has become a servicable starter at DE

did u feel confident when he dropped that 4th down pass...
players like Denney and Reed we need to move on from. They are career losers, and we need to change the culture in Buffalo. These players accept mediocracy.

redbills
12-20-2009, 03:40 PM
Can someone with Twitter text Maybin and tell him thanks for nothing you piece of ****, and tell him to reitre.

BufFan71
12-20-2009, 04:04 PM
Can someone with Twitter text Maybin and tell him thanks for nothing you piece of ****, and tell him to reitre.

im sure hes gonna laugh at that cuz hes making millions, while u sit there at your computer, angry

redbills
12-20-2009, 05:02 PM
"DonteWhitner: In my post game interviews I was not saying I want to leave buffalo....I wanna stay here forever!"

son of a betch, we want you to leave.

Poz51
12-21-2009, 11:29 AM
"DonteWhitner: In my post game interviews I was not saying I want to leave buffalo....I wanna stay here forever!"

son of a betch, we want you to leave.

Where did you see that?

redbills
12-21-2009, 11:31 AM
his twitter

Poz51
12-21-2009, 11:32 AM
his twitter

Interesting, thanks I'll have to check it out...

redbills
12-21-2009, 11:35 AM
thoguht on Bills draft so? We did have a trade up to get Dan Williams 2 times but the GMs backed out last sec.

Draft
14-Bruce Campbell-OT-Maryland
43-Travis Lewis-OLB-Oklahoma
3rd-
3rd-(TEN)-
4th-
4th-(TEN)-
5th-
6th-
6th-(TEN)-
6th-(PHI)-
7th-
Some pick from DET for Ko, probably a 6th or 7th.

Trades
Titans Receive:
#8 Overall

Bills Receive:
#14 Overall
3rd Round Selection
4th Round Selection
6th Round Selection

BufFan71
12-21-2009, 11:50 AM
thoguht on Bills draft so? We did have a trade up to get Dan Williams 2 times but the GMs backed out last sec.

Draft
14-Bruce Campbell-OT-Maryland
43-Travis Lewis-OLB-Oklahoma
3rd-
3rd-(TEN)-
4th-
4th-(TEN)-
5th-
6th-
6th-(TEN)-
6th-(PHI)-
7th-
Some pick from DET for Ko, probably a 6th or 7th.

Trades
Titans Receive:
#8 Overall

Bills Receive:
#14 Overall
3rd Round Selection
4th Round Selection
6th Round Selection


dont like Travis Lewis, but the Bruce Campbell pick is good, since u traded down...
when do u planning on addressing DT?

redbills
12-21-2009, 12:10 PM
dont like Travis Lewis, but the Bruce Campbell pick is good, since u traded down...
when do u planning on addressing DT?

All the good DTs have been pick but the PSUs Odrick (sp?) and he is an UT.

fischbowl
12-22-2009, 10:15 PM
Hey! We have a reason to celebrate today! Gibran is back!

http://assets.buffalobills.com/uploads/players/BB3EB6BEEBDB4BEFA7B919DC5F6C486D.jpg

So handsome!

redbills
12-23-2009, 10:06 AM
Hanging 10 with Hamdan back now?


Buffalo Bills Draft
14-Bruce Campbell-OT-Maryland
43-Travis Lewis-OLB-Oklahoma
73-Tyson Alualu-DT-California
75-Eric Decker-WR-Minnesota
4th
4th-(TEN)
5th
6th
6th-(TEN)
6th-(PHI)
7th

Bills2083
12-23-2009, 11:58 AM
Jairus Byrd on IR!

BTW, I really like Decker for some reason. I think he'll be pretty good.

On a side note; Out of Bruce Campbell/Anthony Davis, who is better?

SuperMcGee
12-23-2009, 01:24 PM
Anthony Davis for me.



Hamdan and Stamer both back? Didn't think I'd need new shorts this early in the day.

BuffaloBillsFan
12-23-2009, 11:17 PM
thoguht on Bills draft so? We did have a trade up to get Dan Williams 2 times but the GMs backed out last sec.

Draft
14-Bruce Campbell-OT-Maryland
43-Travis Lewis-OLB-Oklahoma
3rd-
3rd-(TEN)-
4th-
4th-(TEN)-
5th-
6th-
6th-(TEN)-
6th-(PHI)-
7th-
Some pick from DET for Ko, probably a 6th or 7th.

Trades
Titans Receive:
#8 Overall

Bills Receive:
#14 Overall
3rd Round Selection
4th Round Selection
6th Round Selection

Well, since you picked the first two selections already which aren't bad mind you, I'd look at maybe:

+++++Toby Gerhart
++++Brandon Graham
+++Mardy Gilyard
++Sean Canfield
+Sam Young

SuperKevin
12-24-2009, 04:07 AM
Aaron Schobel might retire this offseason.

FML

Iamcanadian
12-24-2009, 12:18 PM
thoguht on Bills draft so? We did have a trade up to get Dan Williams 2 times but the GMs backed out last sec.

Draft
14-Bruce Campbell-OT-Maryland
43-Travis Lewis-OLB-Oklahoma
3rd-
3rd-(TEN)-
4th-
4th-(TEN)-
5th-
6th-
6th-(TEN)-
6th-(PHI)-
7th-
Some pick from DET for Ko, probably a 6th or 7th.

Trades
Titans Receive:
#8 Overall

Bills Receive:
#14 Overall
3rd Round Selection
4th Round Selection
6th Round Selection

I think you will have to find another trading partner for our pick and show how it is a fair trade. The # 14, 3rd, 4th and 6th pick is too much for the #8 pick. Besides, Tennessee isn't in a position to give up that many picks to move up, they need those picks to try to fill a # of holes on their team. Weaker teams rarely move up and give up picks, that is something only the stronger teams do if they feel they are 1 or 2 players from getting to the SB.

redbills
12-24-2009, 12:29 PM
it was the fourm mock, and I did it from the TVC and it was fair if i remember. they traded up for WR Dez.

only 3 rounds

Buffalo Bills Draft
14-Bruce Campbell-OT-Maryland
43-Travis Lewis-OLB-Oklahoma
73-Tyson Alualu-DT-California
75-(TEN)-Eric Decker-WR-Minnesota
4th
4th-(TEN)
5th
6th
6th-(TEN)
6th-(PHI)
7th

BuffaloBillsFan
12-24-2009, 11:43 PM
Decker was a good selection.

fischbowl
12-26-2009, 11:54 PM
BBF, just looking at your latest mock, I'm bewildered by the 2nd and 3rd round selections. I mean, you're ignoring major needs in DT, LB, and the entire OL altogether, for a filled position in TE and a declining position in FB. Mind you, we selected Shawn Nelson last year, a steal in the 4th and still a very promising prospect. I know Corey McIntyre sucks and all, but a fullback? Really? The position is dead all over the NFL and quality players could still be had late because of this.

Anyways, Brohm Nation tomorrow...

BuffaloBillsFan
12-27-2009, 12:52 AM
BBF, just looking at your latest mock, I'm bewildered by the 2nd and 3rd round selections. I mean, you're ignoring major needs in DT, LB, and the entire OL altogether, for a filled position in TE and a declining position in FB. Mind you, we selected Shawn Nelson last year, a steal in the 4th and still a very promising prospect. I know Corey McIntyre sucks and all, but a fullback? Really? The position is dead all over the NFL and quality players could still be had late because of this.

Anyways, Brohm Nation tomorrow...

Nelson may be okay, but Gresham is going to be a flat out superstar. I know I should've taken a left tackle with the 2nd pick to fill a hole, but Gresham is just way too good to pass on, I liked him way better than Pettigrew last year. Gerhart on the other hand, I see him as being the next Mike Alstott, I really like his power and his vision as a rusher, he isn't a home run hitter but he has fantastic balance and defenders just bounce off of him. IDK, with my mock we would need to add a left tackle via Free Agency. Marcus McNeil? Yeah, I know, I can dream right? :rolleyes:

Anyways, I predict 98 yards passing 0 TDs and 3 INTs for Brohm today! :)

SuperMcGee
12-27-2009, 01:18 AM
Don't be dissin' Brohm!

I might pass on a DT if there is great value at tight end, but LT/LB/QB are the huge needs.

redbills
12-27-2009, 10:54 AM
Not sure why you'd draft a running FB in R3.

SuperMcGee
12-27-2009, 11:31 AM
These radio personalities are really irking me with their views on the QB situation. Always have to try to be smarter than everyone, even if it means contradicting themselves at every turn.
Fudge em.


Gibrohm time! Let those two run this!

Rob S
12-27-2009, 12:08 PM
Now we know what happens when Byrd is out..........DROY? Yes!

BuffaloBillsFan
12-27-2009, 03:51 PM
I was kind of close, but not really. Brohm had 146 yards and 2 ints on the day.

redbills
12-27-2009, 03:55 PM
I hope Perry tells T.O to take a hike after he again doesn't go up for a deep ball that leads to a pick.

fischbowl
12-27-2009, 10:10 PM
Blocked FG...........most exciting non play of the year?

Bills2083
12-27-2009, 10:14 PM
Most exciting play of the year - Ellis Lankster's 1st career pass deflection. It should have been an interception but The Sex will have his time to shine!

fischbowl
12-27-2009, 10:15 PM
Most exciting play of the year - Ellis Lankster's 1st career pass deflection. It should have been an interception but The Sex will have his time to shine!

I must say I may have teared a little when that happened. Tears of joy, of course

Bills2083
12-27-2009, 10:20 PM
I must say I may have teared a little when that happened. Tears of joy, of course

As soon as I saw that my immediate reaction was to go on here and talk about it.
But I was at work when I saw it, so of course that was not possbile.

SuperMcGee
12-28-2009, 01:16 AM
Blocked FG...........most exciting non play of the year?

Beats out Lee Evans' non-touchdown against Jacksonville, for sure.

George is the man. I missed who actually blocked it, haven't seen that in a while from us.

redbills
12-28-2009, 10:35 AM
Spencer Johnson blocked it, or that is who it looked like.

fischbowl
12-28-2009, 07:15 PM
I'm going to be a very sad man if we lose Georgie Boy......

Anyways, how about Nicky Harris? 9 tackles, 3 ast, one beautiful PD. Had himself a nice little game

Bills2083
12-28-2009, 09:55 PM
I'm going to be a very sad man if we lose Georgie Boy......

Anyways, how about Nicky Harris? 9 tackles, 3 ast, one beautiful PD. Had himself a nice little game

George Wilson?

fischbowl
12-28-2009, 10:08 PM
George Wilson?

Yeah, that sly devil

bigbluedefense
12-30-2009, 01:00 PM
Theres a lot of talk of Dick Jauron being the most likely candidate to be our new DC after we fire Bill Sheridan.

Can you guys break down for me what Dick Jauron does on defense? I've always assumed he was a Cover 2 guy, but I don't know enough about his scheme to comment.

Does he blitz alot? Is his blitzes A gap related or outside pressure? Does he run a lot of Cover 2? What type of body types does he prefer? Smaller and faster or bigger bodies?

Man coverage or zone?

redbills
12-30-2009, 05:04 PM
No blitz 4 man rush, CBs 10 yards off WR, some A gap blitz once every few games with fake A gap blitz a lot.

bigbluedefense
12-30-2009, 05:07 PM
well thats just peachy.

Bills2083
12-30-2009, 08:40 PM
Also expect quick, penetrating DTs, along with undersized linebackers.

zachsaints52
12-30-2009, 09:44 PM
Hey was wondering how Wood and Levitre did for you guys this year? Always a bit of a guy who loves hearing bout the OL!

SuperKevin
12-30-2009, 10:11 PM
Hey was wondering how Wood and Levitre did for you guys this year? Always a bit of a guy who loves hearing bout the OL!

Wood broke his leg really badly and may be forced to miss the 2010 season as well. Levitre was good

Splat
12-31-2009, 11:55 AM
Rumors fly that Bills are naming a new G.M. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/31/rumors-fly-that-bills-are-naming-a-new-gm/)

redbills
12-31-2009, 12:40 PM
Buddy Nix fyi

also no new threads

redbills
12-31-2009, 12:42 PM
Wood broke his leg really badly and may be forced to miss the 2010 season as well. Levitre was good

were the hell you hear that? I heard everything went fine and he should be ready for the '10 season.

bigbluedefense
12-31-2009, 02:32 PM
So basically Dick Jauron is the exact opposite of what we need.

Great.


Just great.

redbills
12-31-2009, 03:16 PM
Also Dick doesn't like to run hard practices (ie no pads a lot, light contact etc.)

Poz51
12-31-2009, 04:39 PM
Buddy Nix... The savior... Hmm, initially I had some vomit rise into the back of my mouth, but after it settled down I thought, hey it could be worse, say John Guy??

Rob S
12-31-2009, 05:41 PM
BBD..........DJ doesnt blitz very much unless he really trusts a guy. He let Kawika after the QB through the A gap quite a bit. Not very aggressive tho. As people said, he likes smaller guys.......especially the LBers and DT's it seems. Plays mostly zone, but it seems he can occasionally dial up man, unfortunately it seems he misreads the situation quite a bit.

Your not going to find much love for DJ here, but he is an experienced guy and has proven he can be an effective DC, not a HC, but I think he is a decent enough hire for you guys. Maybe not schematically, but I think he can be a good DC and can adapt to the talent he has.

Rob S
12-31-2009, 05:43 PM
Buddy Nix... The savior... Hmm, initially I had some vomit rise into the back of my mouth, but after it settled down I thought, hey it could be worse, say John Guy??

at least this guy has worked in football...........who would have thought a marketing guy wouldnt work as GM, not me thats for sure ;)

redbills
12-31-2009, 08:33 PM
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8109/billsb.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/billsb.jpg/)

Rob S
01-01-2010, 11:00 AM
Cowher is so not happening.......Marty Schottenheimer may be in play now tho.

redbills
01-01-2010, 11:03 AM
Cowher is so not happening.......Marty Schottenheimer may be in play now tho.

OMG, I've said this like 100 times now on diff. Bills forums

http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/09...-in-as-Bills-GM
"I spoke with Marty today and he said "No way I am not coming back anywhere..I did it for 30 years and I am done."

So can we stop the all the Marty post now?????

Rob S
01-01-2010, 11:05 AM
OMG, I've said this like 100 times now on diff. Bills forums

http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/09...-in-as-Bills-GM
"I spoke with Marty today and he said "No way I am not coming back anywhere..I did it for 30 years and I am done."

So can we stop the all the Marty post now?????

haha.......thanks. I think we may whiff on everyone to be honest. If he wants someone with experience I could see someone like Mike Martz or something.

SuperMcGee
01-01-2010, 07:44 PM
If Martz wants to throw it to Evans, then I don't even care.

Poz51
01-01-2010, 08:25 PM
at least this guy has worked in football...........who would have thought a marketing guy wouldnt work as GM, not me thats for sure ;)

True... The more I read about him, the more the vomit retreats, sounds like he has the credentials to not reach on say a Maybin in the first round! Brandon as a GM, me neither :o

fischbowl
01-03-2010, 08:58 PM
Sex >>>> Cary Harris

still

redbills
01-03-2010, 09:07 PM
Why wasn't the sex at FS today????

Bills2083
01-03-2010, 09:20 PM
Why wasn't the sex at FS today????

Today was the day to play the PS/Scrub players and see how they perform.
Everyone already knows how The Sex performs - there was no need to risk injury

SuperMcGee
01-04-2010, 12:05 AM
Give some credit to Caray Harry. They can't all be The Sex, but he did his thing.

Damn Fitz looked good today. He should still be around next year, probably even getting some starts depending on the moves we make.

BuffaloBillsFan
01-04-2010, 03:49 AM
Looks like we're picking 9th.

Vox Populi
01-04-2010, 12:27 PM
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8109/billsb.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/billsb.jpg/)

OMG DO WANT. SEXY AS HELL OMG.

redbills
01-04-2010, 12:50 PM
Why did we fire April and George Catavolos?

fischbowl
01-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Why did we fire April and George Catavolos?

You know I was thinking the same thing. In fact, I had a master plan of chaining myself to April's packing boxes, forcing him to stay in Buffalo. Or I starve!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ec/Cabf09.jpg/200px-Cabf09.jpg

You will not go to Albuquerque! You Hear Me!

heavyduty
01-05-2010, 11:12 PM
obviously this all depends on who we end up signing as head coach/defensive coordinator, but do you guys think we have the defensive roster to make the 3-4 defense work for us? I was thinking about it and if we made a few free agent signings and drafted well i think we could definetly make the 3-4 work for us. Stroud would be able to hold down the nose tackle, hopefully through free agency and the draft we are able to occupy at least one of the DE spots. I would put Kyle Williams or John McCargo at the other end. Then we would have to address at least 2 linebacker spots through the draft and free agency. Poz would continue to man the middle and mitchell would maybe be moved inside?? This is not necessarily what i think is our best move right now, but just an idea and i wondered how you all felt about it??

redbills
01-06-2010, 11:15 AM
obviously this all depends on who we end up signing as head coach/defensive coordinator, but do you guys think we have the defensive roster to make the 3-4 defense work for us? I was thinking about it and if we made a few free agent signings and drafted well i think we could definetly make the 3-4 work for us. Stroud would be able to hold down the nose tackle, hopefully through free agency and the draft we are able to occupy at least one of the DE spots. I would put Kyle Williams or John McCargo at the other end. Then we would have to address at least 2 linebacker spots through the draft and free agency. Poz would continue to man the middle and mitchell would maybe be moved inside?? This is not necessarily what i think is our best move right now, but just an idea and i wondered how you all felt about it??



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BufFan71
01-06-2010, 11:18 AM
obviously this all depends on who we end up signing as head coach/defensive coordinator, but do you guys think we have the defensive roster to make the 3-4 defense work for us? I was thinking about it and if we made a few free agent signings and drafted well i think we could definetly make the 3-4 work for us. Stroud would be able to hold down the nose tackle, hopefully through free agency and the draft we are able to occupy at least one of the DE spots. I would put Kyle Williams or John McCargo at the other end. Then we would have to address at least 2 linebacker spots through the draft and free agency. Poz would continue to man the middle and mitchell would maybe be moved inside?? This is not necessarily what i think is our best move right now, but just an idea and i wondered how you all felt about it??

................






no........

Iamcanadian
01-07-2010, 12:53 AM
A switch to a 3-4 would be difficult and likely take at least 2 years to bring in the right people to make it work. I'd say it is a possibility depending on who we sign as our HC but it may not be pretty on the playing field. Of course, Wilson has done worse things as our owner so it isn't out of the question.

redbills
01-07-2010, 07:24 PM
OMG some pple at BB.com think Kyle can play NT in a 3-4 and no matter what I say they still think he can. So I just gave up, I hate dumb fans, they piss me off.

redbills
01-07-2010, 07:26 PM
HAHA I got an infraction for calling a guy and the other guys is a mod an idot for it.

**** BB.com

redbills
01-07-2010, 07:27 PM
LOL

You have been banned for the following reason:
Insulted other member(s)

Date the ban will be lifted: 01-17-2010, 08:00 PM

fischbowl
01-08-2010, 01:43 AM
Who's down for some Leslie Frazier football!? Can I get a praise da lordie from the congregation?

http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/Photofiles/LondonBlackChurch_01.jpg

BufFan71
01-08-2010, 10:55 AM
Looks like Leslie Frazier might be the best option right now

Iamcanadian
01-08-2010, 12:56 PM
OMG some pple at BB.com think Kyle can play NT in a 3-4 and no matter what I say they still think he can. So I just gave up, I hate dumb fans, they piss me off.

Well, you were right on with your opinion on Kyle. He doesn't even resemble a NT in any way, shape or form.

Iamcanadian
01-08-2010, 12:59 PM
Looks like Leslie Frazier might be the best option right now

Buffalo is a career ruiner for HC's so he might not take the job unless he is getting desperate to be a HC.

redbills
01-09-2010, 10:52 AM
Lynch accused of stealing $20 (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/917050.html)

what a dumb ****, I love Lynch but dude.

Bills2083
01-09-2010, 11:58 AM
If that is true, then dear God.
What is running through his head?

fischbowl
01-09-2010, 09:19 PM
If that is true, then dear God.
What is running through his head?

Superiority Complex. Also everyone knows a black man at the McKinley Mall is pure trouble

http://www.tomsimpson.org/images/triumph_head.jpg

I kid, I kid

BufFan71
01-09-2010, 11:31 PM
man the buffalo bills message board are the dumbest collection of people ive ever seen when it comes to the draft and NFL...


why does everything Pike/Mccoy/Tebow are better options that Clausen and Bradford?

Bills2083
01-09-2010, 11:32 PM
man the buffalo bills message board are the dumbest collection of people ive ever seen when it comes to the draft and NFL...


why does everything Pike/Mccoy/Tebow are better options that Clausen and Bradford?

Because the average IQ over there is probably lower than my age.
I can't take it anymore. I had to leave and go to another message board.

BufFan71
01-09-2010, 11:42 PM
Because the average IQ over there is probably lower than my age.
I can't take it anymore. I had to leave and go to another message board.

i tried to get myself banned by telling someone to shut the **** up mulitple times...

but i guess a mod never saw it





i must be invincible

Bills2083
01-09-2010, 11:50 PM
i tried to get myself banned by telling someone to shut the **** up mulitple times...

but i guess a mod never saw it





i must be invincible

jayhawk will get on that soon enough.
they're a bunch of nazis over there.
all of the quality posters have left. Now they're left with a group of people who can't come up with a worthwhile post/idea/thread

BufFan71
01-10-2010, 12:01 AM
jayhawk will get on that soon enough.
they're a bunch of nazis over there.
all of the quality posters have left. Now they're left with a group of people who can't come up with a worthwhile post/idea/thread

Jayhawk is pretty quick to throw the Ban-Hammer


yeah, all the good posters have left. Now just full of idiots and kids

redbills
01-10-2010, 10:26 AM
yea that MB sucks.

terribletowel39
01-11-2010, 09:33 AM
How is Bobby April?? Tomlin supposedly interviewed him recently or is interviewing him.

redbills
01-11-2010, 10:33 AM
good, but his ST this year sucked.

BufFan71
01-11-2010, 11:24 AM
How is Bobby April?? Tomlin supposedly interviewed him recently or is interviewing him.


one of the best ST coaches in the NFL


but our special teams struggled badly this year. I think he had trouble adjusting to the new wedge rules.

redbills
01-11-2010, 01:43 PM
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/billboard/

12:06 [Comment From Erik Erik : ]
Is anything actually going to "change" with Buddy Nix as GM? We still have Modrak and John Guy on staff, who are responsible for Langston Walker, Dockery, Whitner over Ngata, Marshawn Lynch, etc...
Monday January 11, 2010 12:06 Erik
12:08 First of all, we don't know if Modrak and Guy are returing (Guy's contract is up in May). Also, Guy brought in Walker and Dockery because that's who the team wanted. And Guy certainly didn't make the Bills give those guys those huge contracts. The drafts were as much an organizational call as they were Modrak's. It should be noted though that he wanted Brian Cushing over Aaron Maybin.

SuperMcGee
01-12-2010, 12:09 AM
Apparently my common sense belief that that pick had to be between Oher and Orakpo just looks further off everyday.

Cush would've been nice, obviously, but even with Ellison as the starter I didn't want to think it could be anyone other than those two.

chapo123
01-13-2010, 10:43 PM
my mock:

1. trent williams - ot
2. mardy gilyard - wr
3. ricky sapp - de
4. aj edds - olb
5. legarrete blount - rb
6. ed wang - ot
7. joe webb - qb

Hines
01-14-2010, 12:02 AM
Sean Kugler? Tell me about him.

redbills
01-14-2010, 10:08 AM
my mock:

1. trent williams - ot
2. mardy gilyard - wr
3. ricky sapp - de
4. aj edds - olb
5. legarrete blount - rb
6. ed wang - ot
7. joe webb - qb

sucks .

redbills
01-14-2010, 10:09 AM
Sean Kugler? Tell me about him.

IDK, the O-line sucked the 2 years he was their coach so.

redbills
01-18-2010, 10:31 AM
NFL Primetime After '93 Wildcard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-NjrhxxSfE&feature=related)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPI7jCQxqJU&feature=related)

BufFan71
01-18-2010, 10:48 AM
Sean Kugler? Tell me about him.

cant tell u anything good.






Im pretty sure two years ago he was the offensive tackles coach. Which was the year Jason Peters gave up 13 sacks.

fischbowl
01-18-2010, 01:29 PM
To be honest, Kugler was among the last cast offs I would have figured to end up elsewhere. Maybe it was his work with Levitre this year, but he has been pretty terrible. The only reason in my opinion that he lasted this long in Buffalo was that he was a local product

Rob S
01-18-2010, 05:41 PM
God, being a Bills fan just sucks right now.......if we close on Leslie Frazier, I will feel better....I like him quite a bit. If we dont get Frazier or Grimm I will be extremely pissed off and will have to assume the team will be in SoCal within 10 years.

Rob S
01-18-2010, 05:43 PM
well, **** me.............right as I post it news breaks that Chan Gailey is likely our next coach. Ugh.

BufFan71
01-18-2010, 05:45 PM
im warming up to the CHan Gailey, as long as he brings in Mike Nolan, and Al Saunders or Mike Martz

Rob S
01-18-2010, 05:47 PM
No, screw this....unless Frazier and Grimm didnt want to come this is another ******, uninspired, safe, and cheap hire

Rob S
01-18-2010, 06:17 PM
God, I am still on tilt right now..........I wanted Frazier in the worst way. Looks like my Christmas bottle of Maker's Mark is getting hit pretty hard tonight.

Bills2083
01-18-2010, 08:57 PM
Don't you guys just LOVE being bills fans...

-_-

Rob S
01-18-2010, 09:07 PM
Don't you guys just LOVE being bills fans...

-_-

isnt it the worst tho.............seriously. There is absolutely nothing I like about this franchise right now other than the fact they are the Buffalo Bills. It is pretty much the worst team to be a fan of in all of sports. Nobody wants anything to do with you (either coaches or big name players), your current team sucks, you are the laughing stock of the league, and it seems that there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Plus the team we love with all out heart is probably bailing within 5 years for LA..........**** this man. I love this team so much, but it been nothing but **** for the past decade, literally. This sucks. I'm not even impatient. I am a Knicks and Newcastle Utd. fan for God sakes.....I can accept losing.............the Bills are just one of the worst franchises in sports plain and simple. I imagine being a Pittsburgh Pirates fan feels similar to this. God, we cant even tank a season well.....we cant even lose correctly. Heres to extending our ever so awesome non-playoff run until 2020! **** my life.

redbills
01-19-2010, 12:12 PM
I find a few good things about this hire. 1-His work with ****** QBs, 2-Cowher loves the guy.