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Achilles33
05-07-2007, 07:06 PM
If Cleveland gives us a top 3 pick anyway? I doubt we use it. Because we will be a playoff team, maybe SB champs, and Jerry will probably deal it for a ton of picks and players. So I don't think the McFadden dream has a chance....

Any thoughts?

D-Unit
05-07-2007, 07:13 PM
I agree. Nothing you say really matters.

KILLERSANTA
05-07-2007, 09:33 PM
I agree. Nothing you say really matters.

Burn!
...............

Paul
05-07-2007, 10:46 PM
D-Unit with the zinger.

neko4
05-07-2007, 11:19 PM
Because we will be a playoff team, maybe SB champs,
I dont even wanna try and argue against this great prediction
Playoffs...sure
but super bowl is at this point a dream, let alone champs w/ how well the AFC has done

Burns336
05-08-2007, 02:05 PM
I agree. Nothing you say really matters.

ahahahahahahhaa

Achilles33
05-08-2007, 04:24 PM
We have a great chance to get to the SB. And I don't care how bad the rest of the NFC is, we could compete with any AFC team as well, and win. Your saying the AFC has the SB wrapped up???

lol, good one.

cowboyz
05-08-2007, 06:14 PM
JJ mentioned that he made a mistake trading down when he had a good time to get more players and he should've been trying to acquire quality over quantity.

D-Unit
05-08-2007, 06:26 PM
JJ mentioned that he made a mistake trading down when he had a good time to get more players and he should've been trying to acquire quality over quantity.
Nice to hear some admittance. Where did he say that? He should've tried to trade up that numbskull.

Achilles33
05-08-2007, 06:50 PM
I'll take McFadden or Stewart next year and Spencer over CJ or Peterson. Easily.

Oh and Marion Barber is also a FA next year as well, so I don't see any way we don't go RB will the browns pick.

Burns336
05-09-2007, 12:05 AM
I'll take McFadden or Stewart next year and Spencer over CJ or Peterson. Easily.

Oh and Marion Barber is also a FA next year as well, so I don't see any way we don't go RB will the browns pick.


What if spencer sucks and CJ/peterson end up being future hall of famers. The problem is that you make posts without any evidence. You pretty much pull whatever you want out of your ass at any given time and write it. Plus what if julius plays like he did in those 8 games as a rookie and barber stays consistent but we feel the need to get an NT or Corner or Wr or FS?? You dont know how any of these variables will play out and you will never admit when you are wrong. You are just ignorant....not to mention a moron.

reigle9
05-09-2007, 12:26 PM
If Cleveland gives us a top 3 pick anyway? I doubt we use it. Because we will be a playoff team, maybe SB champs, and Jerry will probably deal it for a ton of picks and players. So I don't think the McFadden dream has a chance....

Any thoughts?

That is one big contradiction. If we have the talent to get to the SB, then why would we want a bunch of mid-level players over one superstar to make us that much stronger?

Achilles33
05-09-2007, 02:08 PM
Hey, I am against it as well. I just think Jerry will do it.

dc4life
05-09-2007, 05:52 PM
I think we use it depending who's there. For instance we have a CHANCE of losing the following players next season.

Flozell
Romo
Barber
Jones
Crayton

Colombo in 2 years.
Newman in a year.
TO in 1 year? Terry Glenn in 2-3?
Anthony Henry is another possibility.

The rookies we drafted could step in and fill the voids, but im not banking on it (with the exception of Spencer)

Burns336
05-10-2007, 03:57 PM
I think we use it depending who's there. For instance we have a CHANCE of losing the following players next season.

Flozell
Romo
Barber
Jones
Crayton

Colombo in 2 years.
Newman in a year.
TO in 1 year? Terry Glenn in 2-3?
Anthony Henry is another possibility.

The rookies we drafted could step in and fill the voids, but im not banking on it (with the exception of Spencer)

dont forget to mention the possibility of us getting rid of Ellis/James. Ellis may suck coming back from the injury and James is too expensive to ride pine.

dc4life
05-10-2007, 04:29 PM
dont forget to mention the possibility of us getting rid of Ellis/James. Ellis may suck coming back from the injury and James is too expensive to ride pine.

True, forgot about those two!

cowboyz
05-10-2007, 06:47 PM
Nice to hear some admittance. Where did he say that? He should've tried to trade up that numbskull.

he said it during his pre-draft press conference discussing strategy.

Achilles33
05-10-2007, 07:02 PM
What if spencer sucks and CJ/peterson end up being future hall of famers. The problem is that you make posts without any evidence. You pretty much pull whatever you want out of your ass at any given time and write it. Plus what if julius plays like he did in those 8 games as a rookie and barber stays consistent but we feel the need to get an NT or Corner or Wr or FS?? You dont know how any of these variables will play out and you will never admit when you are wrong. You are just ignorant....not to mention a moron.

What you just posted makes no sense, moron. What if CJ and Peterson suck and Spencer and the player we get with the Browns pick are HOFers? You can't say that. As prospects and draft picks, I would take Spencer and a top 10 pick over CJ or Peterson any day of the week. You post made no sense.

Burns336
05-10-2007, 08:01 PM
What you just posted makes no sense, moron. What if CJ and Peterson suck and Spencer and the player we get with the Browns pick are HOFers? You can't say that. As prospects and draft picks, I would take Spencer and a top 10 pick over CJ or Peterson any day of the week. You post made no sense.

you just made my point for me, idiot. All we know for sure right now is that we know nothing. All of these players are "what if's", so for you to say you would take Spencer and a top-10 pick over CJ/Peterson is moronic because either one of those players (cj/peterson) COULD turn out to be 10X better than spencer and the pick. The point is you dont know, no one knows, and everyone on this board is sick of listening to your speculation and stupid analysis on why you would or wouldn't do something. A comment like "I'll take McFadden or Stewart next year and Spencer over CJ or Peterson. Easily." Is dumb and holds no weight with anyone at all because it has ZERO factual basis and is simply your opinion. Stop polluting the boards with your idiotic opinions and homerism.

Achilles33
05-11-2007, 04:58 PM
Exactly. So right now would you rather have Spencer and a top 10 pick, or CJ/Peterson?

Which would you rather have? I would rather have spencer and a top 10 pick. That is all I am saying. I would rather have a great pass rusher and an elite player next year over CJ or peterson this year, thats just me.

Idiot.

Burns336
05-11-2007, 05:14 PM
Exactly. So right now would you rather have Spencer and a top 10 pick, or CJ/Peterson?

Which would you rather have? I would rather have spencer and a top 10 pick. That is all I am saying. I would rather have a great pass rusher and an elite player next year over CJ or peterson this year, thats just me.

Idiot.

This year? Id much rather have Peterson/CJ, their value is sky high above spencers and anything having to do with that pick is speculation. How do you know its a top ten pick anyways? I forgot you had a crystal ball. More than likely it will be, but you never know. You're not going to win this battle against me, or any battle against anyone for that matter. Give up dip ****.

Achilles33
05-11-2007, 05:24 PM
What freakin battle? Your an idiot. I'll take a pass rusher and a top 10 pick next year over a dominant WR because WR's don't do crap, you can win a SB with average WR's, and RB's are in there prime for about 4 years. You have no chance in thios battle, if that is what you want to call it.

Burns336
05-11-2007, 07:53 PM
What freakin battle? Your an idiot. I'll take a pass rusher and a top 10 pick next year over a dominant WR because WR's don't do crap, you can win a SB with average WR's, and RB's are in there prime for about 4 years. You have no chance in thios battle, if that is what you want to call it.


You're absolutly right tnew, I have now seen the light. What was I thinking when I gave credit to Irvin and Emmitt for being key factors in our SB's of the 90's. We didnt need a stupid clutch reciever or a stupid 4 year prime RB... A pass rush specialist and a future draft pick would have probably won us 4, maybe even 5 SB's in a row!!! Stupid triplets only won 3 out of 4 years...Good thing Emmitt was in his "4 year prime" in the early 90's or else we may have completely screwed..

So sticking with your theory, I guess since running backs are only in their prime for 4 years are you sure you still want McFadden next year or do you think we should go somwhere with some longevity? I mean we should add some guys that will have a longer prime than just 4 years if we want to win the SB every year right?

Hey man, thanks for reasoning with me, once again you have made some seriously well thought out points that have totally changed the way I think. You're great!

Achilles33
05-12-2007, 06:16 AM
Well smart ass, if it wasn't for Charles Haley, we wouldn't have even been in those super bowls. We can get a RB or WR next year, plus a great pass rush. It is a pretty easy choice to me.

And I am not saying all RBs die in 4 years, but AD will. He is going to be in a wheel chair when his career is over the way he plays. McFadden is much better at shielding his body. Jonathan Stewart is even better.

Nice try though.

robert_in_bigd
05-12-2007, 08:52 AM
If Cleveland gives us a top 3 pick anyway? I doubt we use it. Because we will be a playoff team, maybe SB champs, and Jerry will probably deal it for a ton of picks and players. So I don't think the McFadden dream has a chance....

Any thoughts?


SHOULD: should depend on need and talent available. If you can trade down a few slots (like Atlanta) and pick up 2 rounders while still getting your guy sure. For example, trade down Cleveland pick while getting a Long or Baker type or maybe a Frank Okam (assuming he is not the next great overhyped Texas DT bust).

Jerry's problemm is sometimes likes to trade for sake of trading. Like an addict with a bong. For example, the Philly trade.

robert_in_bigd
05-12-2007, 08:55 AM
... holds no weight with anyone at all because it has ZERO factual basis and is simply your opinion. Stop polluting the boards with your idiotic opinions and homerism.


Well my only defense of Achilles is that in order to drive a car you always need to look forward even if you are hallucinating the road in front of you.

Looking backwards is interesting but only for the passengers.

thule
05-12-2007, 01:22 PM
SHOULD: should depend on need and talent available. If you can trade down a few slots (like Atlanta) and pick up 2 rounders while still getting your guy sure. For example, trade down Cleveland pick while getting a Long or Baker type or maybe a Frank Okam (assuming he is not the next great overhyped Texas DT bust).

Jerry's problemm is sometimes likes to trade for sake of trading. Like an addict with a bong. For example, the Philly trade.

Except the guy Jerry wanted wouldn't have been available. So it wasn't just to trade. Now whether or not you think a 3rd and 5th is worth a 2008 first is up to you.

Burns336
05-13-2007, 01:56 AM
Well smart ass, if it wasn't for Charles Haley, we wouldn't have even been in those super bowls. We can get a RB or WR next year, plus a great pass rush. It is a pretty easy choice to me.

And I am not saying all RBs die in 4 years, but AD will. He is going to be in a wheel chair when his career is over the way he plays. McFadden is much better at shielding his body. Jonathan Stewart is even better.

Nice try though.

I see you pulled out your magic 8 ball again to come up with a prediction about petersons future. And yes we would have been in those super bowls without Charles Haley. He was a beast no doubt, but that whole defense was stacked, our O-line consisted of 5 pro bowlers, and we had the triplets. He was great, but he wasnt a deciding factor.

Believe me when i say Emmitt Smith had a greater impact on the team than Charles Haley did.

Irvin didnt get the name "The Playmaker" by not contributing either.

Dont act like you know about the teams in the early 90's. You have said before that you are like 15 or 16 which means those players and those teams were way before your time.

you're just an absolute disgrace to boys fans everywhere.

Achilles33
05-13-2007, 07:25 AM
Irvin, Emmitt, and Troy, while they were great, and I will always love them, definitly played beter than they were because of our o-line. O-line and pass rush is the most important part of football.

Oh and Charles Haley made everyone else better. Ask any knowledgable fan, if it weren't for him we would not have been in those SB's.

Your just to stubborn to see that I am right sometimes.

robert_in_bigd
05-13-2007, 12:47 PM
Except the guy Jerry wanted wouldn't have been available. So it wasn't just to trade. Now whether or not you think a 3rd and 5th is worth a 2008 first is up to you.

Jerry loves to trade. Gets him on ESPN. Regardless the trade this year back into the 1st was needed to get Spencer but I argue we did not need him.

The Wade scheme would have given us everything we needed with the players we had. Remember how everyone hated Parcells b/c his scheme does not understand "todays football player and all that crapoola......

Would have been nice to get a Free Safety or a quality LT or a quality WR with 36 and the third.

robert_in_bigd
05-13-2007, 12:49 PM
Irvin, Emmitt, and Troy, while they were great, and I will always love them, definitly played beter than they were because of our o-line. O-line and pass rush is the most important part of football.

Oh and Charles Haley made everyone else better. Ask any knowledgable fan, if it weren't for him we would not have been in those SB's.

Your just to stubborn to see that I am right sometimes.

Charles did turn that D around. His pass rushing skills allowed the team to play tight man and let eh speedy LB play closer to the line.

No coincidence it went from OK to Excellent when he arrived.

Burns336
05-13-2007, 07:10 PM
Charles did turn that D around. His pass rushing skills allowed the team to play tight man and let eh speedy LB play closer to the line.

No coincidence it went from OK to Excellent when he arrived.


like i said before, he was a great player, but he was not a make or break guy. Its not like if we didnt have him we wouldnt have made it. It wouldn't have been as easy on the defensive side of the ball, but to say he is THE ONLY reason we made it to and won those SB's is a rediculous statement.

Take Emmitt away and it would have had a much bigger negative effect on the team than if you took haley away.

Achilles33
05-13-2007, 07:22 PM
Not neccesarily, a solid back could have still one us those SB's IMO.

Im_a_Romosexual
05-13-2007, 08:41 PM
but if we didnt have emmitt we wouldnt have won 3/4

jdnoyes
05-13-2007, 10:14 PM
Not neccesarily, a solid back could have still one us those SB's IMO.

Do you guys not remember Emmitt's 1993 holdout? We lost the first two games of the season because he wasn't there. And as soon as Jerry paid him the money we went on a tear and won the SB. People don't give him enough credit, his arrival in Dallas completely turned this team into a super bowl contender. Sure there were plenty of stars on those teams but without Emmitt I ddon't think we win any of them.

robert_in_bigd
05-13-2007, 11:25 PM
Do you guys not remember Emmitt's 1993 holdout? We lost the first two games of the season because he wasn't there. And as soon as Jerry paid him the money we went on a tear and won the SB. People don't give him enough credit, his arrival in Dallas completely turned this team into a super bowl contender. Sure there were plenty of stars on those teams but without Emmitt I ddon't think we win any of them.

Takes a team. But I gotta be honest with you, I think the team became what it became in a 15-12 (12-10) win in Philly in 1991 or something. Game was brutal but the OL finally stood up to Buddy Ryan wore them down. Like boys to men that day.... and the one guy who turned it was Erik Williams punking Reggie White all day. Only guy I ever saw dominate Reggie White.

I know it is crazy but that team was never the same after Big E ruined his knee in his benzo.

Paul
05-14-2007, 09:24 AM
This is sick! People are under appreciating Emmitt and what he did for the Cowboys. People forget about the MVP award for the regular season and the Super Bowl, and how do you forget the game against the Giants where he played with a separated shoulder, and it was for the division. And endless other accomplishments that catapulted the Boys from the basement of the NFL to a dynasty. Emiitt, Troy, Michael, O-line and the defense deserve alll equal credit.

Paul
05-14-2007, 09:28 AM
Eric Williams was such a beast. Those were the good ol'e dominating days.

FinChase
05-14-2007, 09:55 AM
This is sick! People are under appreciating Emmitt and what he did for the Cowboys. People forget about the MVP award for the regular season and the Super Bowl, and how do you forget the game against the Giants where he played with a separated shoulder, and it was for the division. And endless other accomplishments that catapulted the Boys from the basement of the NFL to a dynasty. Emiitt, Troy, Michael, O-line and the defense deserve alll equal credit.

You're right, people do underappreciate Emmitt all the time. He's hardly ever listed among the all-time great RBs. They say it was just the O-line. We did have a great O-line part of the time he was here, but it was more than that. You watch highlights of him, and that little guy was breaking tackles all over the place. They say he didn't have speed, but he could break it outside as well as run up the middle. He wasn't a great receiver, but he sure took a lot of dump-off passes and made positive yardage out of them. He did it all, and he was durable on top of it.

It really ticked me off that Jerry Rice finally retired the same year as Emmitt. That means they will almost certainly go in the HOF together, but you watch--all the talk then will be about Rice's accomplishments.

Burns336
05-14-2007, 10:23 PM
general concensus is that achilles is wrong again.

jdnoyes
05-14-2007, 10:29 PM
general concensus is that achilles is wrong again.

Im not sure achilles is even old enough to have watched the boys in the early 90s

Burns336
05-14-2007, 11:37 PM
Im not sure achilles is even old enough to have watched the boys in the early 90s

he isnt. hes only like 15 or 16. he just needs be be humbled and brought back down to earth.

Finlayson56
05-15-2007, 06:22 PM
all thing consdering Julius jones is in the last year of his contract and i doubt they resign him.