Denver Broncos Discussion [Archive] - Page 12

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

01-08-2012, 07:40 PM

I'm so psyched we won. Good game to the Steelers, it's a real shame you guys couldn't put out your best team tonight because of injuries and health issues.

If I can be real for a second, I was very impressed by Tebow today. He was making throws on the money down the field. He definitely missed a few, and I absolutely HATE when he lifts his back foot before throwing, but he showed me something for sure. That was the NFL's #1 pass defense, and yes it was missing Ryan Clark, but still.

Anyway, with a guy like Tebow, the way he changes the way a defense plays, he doesn't need to become a Peyton Manning throwing the ball. Obviously that would be awesome, but unrealistic. If he can just somehow practice and work with the coaches and John Elway this off-season and become just an average passer, all of a sudden he's an above average QB. And in year 3, I'd be happy with that. After today, I'm actually excited for what Tim Tebow, and the rest of this very young offense, can do for next year. And I was ready to write off next season until the 2nd quarter today.

Let's see some more Tebow magic in Foxborough!!

njx9

01-08-2012, 08:00 PM

J-Mike88

01-08-2012, 08:18 PM

Everybody misses passes, and bad footwork will hurt any QB.

If you don't see A LOT of improvement in Tebow's passing from his first start until today, I don't know what you're watching.

He's developing in a positive manner here. You can't ask for more than that in this amount of time.

Steve Mariucci just raved about him.... Deion loves Timmy's running ability and ballz he shows.

So do I.

Tebow is absolutely unbelievable.... one-of-a-kind.... never been anyone like him, so complicated.

I'm very happy you guys won, but will be pissed if they lay an egg in Foxboro because I hate everything about the Patriots.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

01-08-2012, 08:20 PM

my problem is still that his footwork and motion destroy his accuracy almost every time. he did make some good throws today, and if he could hit those throws repeatedly, i'd think we'd be ok. but then he BADLY misses on a play we had to have at the end of the 4th.

Yeah, definitely. It's gonna be all about consistency for Tim. He showed the flashes today, he just needs to make that the norm, so when he has games like this we aren't freaking out going HOLY **** TEBOW

njx9

01-08-2012, 08:24 PM

Yeah, definitely. It's gonna be all about consistency for Tim. He showed the flashes today, he just needs to make that the norm, so when he has games like this we aren't freaking out going HOLY **** TEBOW

exactly. i just want to feel like this game, contrary to the opinions of people who haven't watched him the last four weeks, wasn't a fluke.

DBNYDP

01-08-2012, 09:10 PM

I think consistency is going to come after a full offseason to properly work on his footwork. I think we've seen that he's completely changed his throwing motion, and that is what he's been focusing on since he really entered the NFL. It definitely shows as his throwing motion is definitely a lot better than it was when he entered the league, and is more compact. Now I think he needs to tackle footwork which will improve his accuracy, and with footwork he is going to have to improve his pocket awareness as well. And he's just going to get better and better at going through his progressions/reading coverages as he plays more. The important thing right now is to improve his footwork though, the other parts of the game will come after he gets these fundamentals down.

I'm fairly confident that Tebow will be the starter next year.

Punisher

01-08-2012, 09:23 PM

This season is limiting my life span by atleast 2 years. Wow.

njx9

01-08-2012, 09:29 PM

he has *not* changed his release. at all. not even a little. he started to last year, then any time he was pressured, just reverted. it's the same damn thing.

Punisher

01-08-2012, 09:37 PM

NJX how do you feel after this win? I've seen many of your posts though the years, but honestly does this win make you believe we should build behind Tebow? With his inconsistencies do you believe his upside is worth it?

njx9

01-08-2012, 09:40 PM

Punisher

01-08-2012, 09:40 PM

It should also be noted that John Fox,Mike
McCoy, ( to an extent ) and Dennis Allen are keepers.

Punisher

01-08-2012, 09:45 PM

meh. don't get me wrong, i'm stoked we won and are still playing (i think it hasn't sunk in that that actually happened yet). and i think tebow's bought himself another year as the guy. but i'm hesitant. until he can string together a couple of decent performances, it's tough to see him as the full future. i mean, he was just AWFUL to end the season. and this is really the first game he threw like an nfl qb, and he still couldn't hit a short pass to save his life.

I'm not one to usually get caught up over a single game but how do you not feel that excitement at all over this game. It was clearly David vs. Goliath. I may be in the moment now, but I hope we keep working with Tebow. I truly believe that this young man along with the this new set of coaches has elevated the motivation game in and game out of this squad.

njx9

01-08-2012, 09:47 PM

i dunno. it's easy to say 'it would've been different if the steelers had been healthy and like, blitzed occasionally'. but he definitely did play really, really well. if that keeps up next week? i'll definitely be very encouraged. and honestly, i think BB and whatever he comes up with is a better test than this week was. but that may just be hindsight/bias.

DBNYDP

01-08-2012, 10:02 PM

I think his throwing motion really did get better so I'll disagree there. It isn't pretty but it is functional and it works well enough. I think footwork is a much bigger concern and in general is much more important than throwing motion which gets a lot of attention because it is easier for a lay person to notice. Anyway I'm excited to see what he can do with an offseason, I've never been a Tebow fanatic but I'm an overall optimist for the Broncos.

Also I read this article because it appeared on Aziz Ansari's twitter. It isn't really about football but you can definitely relate it to us http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/090511fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=1

HEISMANHERSCHEL

01-08-2012, 10:14 PM

Forget all the sports writers. You should enjoy this. Tebow has you guys playing in the second round of the playoffs. There are a lot of teams that would trade with you right now. Like my team, for instance.

Diehard

01-08-2012, 11:23 PM

Timbathia

01-08-2012, 11:30 PM

I'm down in Mexico this week, and had the pleasure of watching this game at one of the many poolside bars at the resort. 2 for 1 gin and tonics and a bunch of pissed off Steelers fans made my day a particularly sweet one... :)

The first round combo of DT and Tebow was money today. We need to see more of that. Credit to McCoy for calling a much better game after ugliness of the first few series... It seemed like the handcuffs were suddenly taken off and the offense really responded well.

McGahee really needs to do a better job securing the ball. Mays also looked awful at times, whiffing on a bunch of tackles.

Anyway, it's all good and I'm flying high on a combination of euphoria and alcohol. I'm sure I'll pay the price tomorrow, but nothing a poolside nap and some greasy food won't fix.

Oh yeah.... GO BRONCOS!!!

Mays is awful. He ends up in the right spot at times, but if defenses are always as bad as the worst player we still have a ways to go to have a good one.

Sounds like a nicer place to watch the game than I had. I was in the gym lobby at work by myself (only tv at work I could watch discretely). Game started at 8:30am (monday morning here). Missed the second quarter while at a meeting, then back to the gym. Many strange looks by people walking past while I was standing on the sofa, fist pumping after DTs catch and run.

descendency

01-09-2012, 12:10 AM

Congrats on the win.

Just curious... how does everyone feel about McDaniels trading Cutler and Marshall for Tebow and Thomas now?

njx9

01-09-2012, 12:11 AM

no different.

Timbathia

01-09-2012, 03:20 AM

Congrats on the win.

Just curious... how does everyone feel about McDaniels trading Cutler and Marshall for Tebow and Thomas now?

I am in the minority here in that I didnt like Cutler (maybe because I liked Plummer better, or maybe because he was a flopsy haired mopey tool). Not particularly upset when we traded him. Marshall needed to be traded for his actions. He is an overgrown 5th grader. He was a handy player, but whatever.

That being said, today doesnt really change anything as njx said. For better or worse we have moved on and too much football has been played for respospective whatifs. Cutler and marshall are still better players than tebow and DT, but the broncos today are very different from when we had them.

njx9

01-09-2012, 08:26 AM

to be clear, i don't think any broncos fan really regrets losing marshall, after the **** he pulled towards the end. dude appeared to be on a massive downward spiral before mcdaniels even got here.

Diehard

01-09-2012, 08:42 AM

to be clear, i don't think any broncos fan really regrets losing marshall, after the **** he pulled towards the end. dude appeared to be on a massive downward spiral before mcdaniels even got here.

Yeah, BM was a head case even by WR standards... And that's saying something.

Getting rid of the douche bags has created a real team. Check out that video of the Broncos locker room after the game to see what I mean. credit John Fox as well - he seems to have played a big role in bringing all the guys together.

Punisher

01-09-2012, 12:37 PM

So it's the day after...

Any predictions on this upcoming weekend fellas?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

01-09-2012, 12:44 PM

New England's defense is a lot worse than Pittsburgh's, even a gimpy Pittsburgh's. If Tebow can make the throws he made yesterday, we're going to put up points. If the safeties drop back, we should be able to run the ball, too. If Tebow plays with that confidence and ability, the Pats D will need to pick their poison. It's going to be difficult but I'm hoping for a much better showing offensively than in week 15. We need to have no turnovers.

Defense is going to need to be better. They weren't bad yesterday, but a not bad defense gets shredded for 50 points by the Patriots. I'm hopeful for this one, and think we have a puncher's chance, but obviously odds are New England wins big.

DBNYDP

01-09-2012, 03:46 PM

I don't know what to think of Jay Cutler to be honest. I'm not really sure what would have happened if he stayed in Denver.

I don't regret Marshall though, I think Thomas can be a better player than him TBH. Thomas is a better a deep threat though I think Marshall is more dangerous after the catch, but Thomas isn't too bad there either.

I think as long as we don't lose the turnover battle like we did versus the Pats the first time it will at least be pretty close. I think it is complete ******** that people said that Belicheck stopped Tebow, he didn't do that and I think it was one of the games that Tebow actually looked like a good passer. If we don't make those dumb mistakes and our defense makes some plays this is a winnable game, but I think it is definitely a tougher matchup than the Steelers. The biggest reason is just that there is going to be a lot of pressure on our offense to score and keep up with the Patriots.

Diehard

01-15-2012, 03:24 PM

Eh, no big surprise we got smacked by the Pats. Scrubs in the secondary + scrubs on the OL left us wide open.

I missed the whole game stuck on the plane back from Mexico, but just spent some time catching up. A few thoughts re: the draft / FA...

OL - both guards got pushed back too often and Franklin got beat badly off the snap in pass protect. Getting Kuper back off IR will help, but I think a good case could be made to punt Franklin to G, punt Beadles to the bench and then bring in someone to man the RT spot. If not, grab someone to man the LG spot.

MLB - May is crap. Coverage is sucking and he's whiffing on tackles. Since they basically redshirted Irving, we've got a big question mark here. Another body to compete for the starting spot would be wise.

S - Ugh. IMO Carter will be good, but the rest is a mess. Bruton, Moore, Bush... they're crap and got torn apart by Brady. Maybe Moore gets his confidence back, but I wouldn't want to count on it. Dawkins is too old to rely on to stay healthy.

Jimmy

01-16-2012, 10:10 AM

Pardon the irrelevancy and poor timed nature of this post, but I've been for 7 years and I still have no clue what any of you guys really do for a living, or what states you live in. Any of you care to fill me in? There's going to be a significant lul on this board over the next few months on account of the fact that our season just ended. Might as well talk about something.

I'll start – I started posting here (in Connecticut) a month before my 14th birthday, mainly as a way to procrastinate/avoid school work. At one point (around the time I joined)NFLDC was the #1 object of distraction for me, and the reason why my grades were so poor. That and Madden.

I then went off to an all-guys boarding school a year after I joined this site, and after repeating freshman year and spending 4 years there, I graduated and now I'm a sophomore journalism major at a school in Boston, surrounded by a bunch of self righteous Patriots fans. Still posting, but I've never repeated my posts-per-day numbers that I put up back in the middle-late portion of the previous decade.

Why I'm a Broncos fan in CT: My father moved out to Jackson Hole in the 70's and later went on to Boulder, where he became a Broncos fanatic. He moved back to the east coast in the 80's, and when I was born I wanted to be just like dad. By the age of 6 I knew the entire Broncos starting line up. I was the only kid east of the mississippi who wrote about the Broncos in his weekly composition/show and tell book.

njx9

01-16-2012, 10:34 AM

i don't worry about our safeties. unless we can find elite talent, there isn't a safety in the league who can keep up with gronk/hernandez. the bigger issue was goodman couldn't cover anyone, and champ can only cover one guy. we have no linebackers who can play in coverage or who appear to do much over the middle to disrupt routes. dj's just not that good anymore, even at wlb.

meh. i just don't feel that bad about the defense getting slapped like that. that's an amazing offense, led by an actual qb. we either need to build a defense that can get in his face on three step drops, or one that can actually cover more than one receiver for 3-4 seconds. we fail on both counts, currently.

i didn't really feel that bad about our o-line. i don't know what belichick is doing to it, but the pats are the only team i've felt really gave us fits this year. in any case, it doesn't help when your qb is running the read option at a jordan jefferson level.

we need one of the 432789 tight ends on the roster to actually contribute next year.

we need a qb who doesn't take an extra 3 seconds to throw every single pass, in addition to the 12 seconds he already needs to cycle through the routes. we need a qb who can pass well at least 50% of the time, rather than the one who had one good passing performance all season. we need a qb who's playing ability actually somewhat matches his leadership ability. for the tebow fans, i'm not saying he can't be that guy. but he has a HUGE amount of work to do to get even halfway there. and this is for a guy who spent two years redoing a throwing motion that's identical to the one he had before he started 'working on it'. *shrug*

out of the draft, i want at least 2 cbs, a dt, lamichael james, and then whatever has top value outside of those spots. out of free agency, we need a real backup qb. we should be trying to sign a cb to replace goodman. if there's even a mediocre, old LBer, i'd take a chance, especially if he has any dawkins-like leadership on the field.

Timbathia

01-16-2012, 02:40 PM

After watching the niners on saturday, it shows that to play defense against an elite offense you need to be getting in the face of the QB every play. Cant do that with only ends that can rush - needs to come from inside as well. Also need dbs that can catch.

So you are right njx, a disruptive dt and a cb that can flat out play is high on the list for me. I have also banged on about how important a mlb is for a year or two (man i wish al wilson was still around).

Offense - who knows. The oline is really young. They may be okay to leave for the time being. It would be good to get a rb that is a threat to score whenever he touches the ball. Even if he is only a ten touch a game guy. Ball, johnson or moreno coming in to backup mcgahee or on thrid downs is not inspiring.

Diehard

01-16-2012, 03:36 PM

RE: CB - keep in mind that we have two young guys on IR (Syd and Vaughn), so we have some depth there. I'm not sold on either one as a solution to the #2 spot, though, so if there's good value at CB when we pick then I think we should pull the trigger.

I think S is better addressed in FA. I don't think we can afford to burn another pick at that position. We've got a slew of young guys who are all unproven commodities already.

In terms of impact, though, I think inside pass rush would make the biggest difference to the success of the defense. It's not a great draft to be looking for a DT, though. Fletcher Cox could be a guy to look at in the 2nd (if he slides that far...)

@ Jimmy - I live in Edmonton, Alberta, which is the northern wing of the Broncos Nation. I'm a manager with the department of education - my team crunches data and evaluates the performance of the system. I have lots of connections with Colorado (old friends living in both Ft. Collins and Springs), which is where my interest in the Broncos came from.

Timbathia

01-16-2012, 03:53 PM

@Jimmy - I moved to Australia about 6 years ago to work at a University in the engineering department (lecturing/research/etc.). Was at Colorado School of Mines before that (living in Golden).

Timbathia

01-16-2012, 04:39 PM

Kinda sucks that teams are after our OC and DC. Hurts to lose good coordinators in a rebuilding phase.

njx9

01-16-2012, 04:57 PM

i don't think either CB we currently have is more than a future nickel guy. if i'm wrong, great, i think our ends with a serviceable DT and some great CBs would be terrifying. but it's a position we need to be ready to plug talent into, since who knows how much longer champ will want to stick around.

i'd also suggest that, if we just want interior pass rush, we should also be looking at bigger DEs and watch what, say, the giants did with their linemen (guys who would've been ends on other teams were shifted down and in to create pressure, for instance) a couple of years ago. if warren's remotely healthy and bunkley can play, i'd be less worry about the running down guys.

personally, live in denver, but work a job with a **** ton of travel. grew up just west of denver, went to school for two hellish years in western mass before finishing up my drinking/burning things at CU.

Diehard

01-16-2012, 04:59 PM

Kinda sucks that teams are after our OC and DC. Hurts to lose good coordinators in a rebuilding phase.

I think Allen would be a pretty significant loss. I'm not sure about McCoy... our playcalling was very predictable, but that could very well be Fox's influence.

Punisher

01-16-2012, 05:04 PM

I'd hate to lose Dennis Allen. He seems to get alot of the little we have on D.

As long as we have Tebow I think McCoy is the man. Then again, what OC would come in to work around Tebow if we lost McCoy?

njx9

01-16-2012, 05:25 PM

i'm sure we could raid some college team that runs a read-option spread.

Timbathia

01-16-2012, 06:38 PM

jCut

01-16-2012, 07:13 PM

-I think the DTs are solid, but I don't think any of them excel at getting up-field and creating pressure. We need to finally address that need and bring in a game-changer.

-Chris Harris has played his way into a role next year, but I think he is a nickel corner at best. Syd'Quan and Vaughn should provide depth and nothing more. We need a starter opposite Champ.

-McGahee is good, but with his age and running style it's obvious that he's going to have a very tough time staying healthy. We need reinforcements. LaMichael James is good, but can he be anything more than a complimentary back?

-Literally every other position needs help in some form or fashion.

-@Jimmy I am a 23 year old photographer/dj. I have lived in Denver my whole life. I have been posting here for a very long time. I used to have a different screen name, but I don't remember what it was. Cutthroat or something like that.

njx9

01-16-2012, 08:00 PM

-McGahee is good, but with his age and running style it's obvious that he's going to have a very tough time staying healthy. We need reinforcements. LaMichael James is good, but can he be anything more than a complimentary back?

i'll keep rolling with the prospect crush... i think he fits a tim tebow style offense perfectly. where he can get a crease or a hole, i think he hits it well, and he hits it with more speed than just about anyone else i've seen in the draft. i *don't* think he's a 3 down back in a standard offense, but there are only a bare handful of guys in the nfl who are, and i don't see anyone in this draft who i think is on that level (i really don't like richardson, but i'm willing to concede the point if anyone wants to force it). to be honest, i think he would've fit the old shanahan offense perfectly, too.

all that said, if he's a guy i want, he'll go to the patriots. the nfl draft hates me.

Diehard

01-17-2012, 12:01 PM

Chris Harris made the all-rookie team... as a safety?

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/harris-and-miller-named-to-all-rookie-team/

Might as well just have general categories, in that case (e.g. OL, DB, DL, etc). Probably makes more sense.

Anyway, another late round / UFA CB find for us. At least we're doing something right...

Roddoliver

01-17-2012, 12:08 PM

1st round pick: pass rush. DT/DE

Diehard

01-17-2012, 12:15 PM

Literally every other position needs help in some form or fashion.

... and this is why we can safely go BPA. However, I suspect that means no DT for us in round 1. OL, LB and secondary seem more likely.

i'll keep rolling with the prospect crush... i think he fits a tim tebow style offense perfectly. where he can get a crease or a hole, i think he hits it well, and he hits it with more speed than just about anyone else i've seen in the draft.

Yes, speed at RB would be a big boost. Lamar Miller would be another nice fit, but his availability will probably be an issue at pick #25. James may slide into the 3rd, which could be a very nice value pick.

Diehard

01-17-2012, 12:19 PM

1st round pick: pass rush. DT/DE

I think that's highly desirable, but the DT pool is weak at the top and pass rushers tend to generate a lot of interest. #25 might not be a great spot to be looking for those things.

njx9

01-17-2012, 12:54 PM

I think that's highly desirable, but the DT pool is weak at the top and pass rushers tend to generate a lot of interest. #25 might not be a great spot to be looking for those things.

only quoted one but...

i think this is a perfect year to trade down. presuming the draft plays out as expected, that is. i don't see any overwhelming BPA value at our position, and anything we drafted for need would, for the most part, be a massive overdraft. it's too bad, really, that we don't need a WR.

in any case, if we could trade down into the 2nd and pick up additional picks next year, i'd almost have to do it. and though it would give us ammunition to move around if tebow fails, i think it also puts us into a better position to draft guys that are actually useful to us.

granted, a lot can change between now and when we're on the clock, but just looking at the boards as if the draft were tomorrow, there's not a lot that i like and that i expect to be available at our pick.

regarding miller, i'd like him in the late second. i think he'd be an atrocious, moreno-like (in value, not in talent) pick in the first. but he just looks like he'll go way earlier than he should.

Diehard

01-17-2012, 02:34 PM

i think this is a perfect year to trade down. presuming the draft plays out as expected, that is. i don't see any overwhelming BPA value at our position, and anything we drafted for need would, for the most part, be a massive overdraft.

I think this will be the draft day approach. See who slips down to 25, then make the decision. If the obvious value isn't there, then trade down instead of reaching on a need.

However, I believe that someone will slip down to us. A few teams will gamble on potential, a few will go strongly with need and positional value will influence others.

Diehard

01-17-2012, 02:38 PM

regarding miller, i'd like him in the late second. i think he'd be an atrocious, moreno-like (in value, not in talent) pick in the first. but he just looks like he'll go way earlier than he should.

He's getting a lot of buzz around here, but we've all seen how RB's slide on draft day. I think Richardson is the only RB that's a lock for round 1.

jCut

01-18-2012, 12:09 AM

i'll keep rolling with the prospect crush... i think he fits a tim tebow style offense perfectly. where he can get a crease or a hole, i think he hits it well, and he hits it with more speed than just about anyone else i've seen in the draft. i *don't* think he's a 3 down back in a standard offense, but there are only a bare handful of guys in the nfl who are, and i don't see anyone in this draft who i think is on that level (i really don't like richardson, but i'm willing to concede the point if anyone wants to force it). to be honest, i think he would've fit the old shanahan offense perfectly, too.

all that said, if he's a guy i want, he'll go to the patriots. the nfl draft hates me.

I remember when his stock was much higher and was considered a probable first round pick. Any idea why his stock fell? Just curious, I didn't watch a whole lot of college football this year (though i did watch a few oregon games, and i thought he looked good).

jCut

01-18-2012, 12:18 AM

However, I suspect that means no DT for us in round 1. OL, LB and secondary seem more likely..

Hmm.. what makes you say that? Poe, Still, Thompson, Worthy, Brockers, etc. would represent good value @ #25.

njx9

01-18-2012, 03:40 AM

I remember when his stock was much higher and was considered a probable first round pick. Any idea why his stock fell? Just curious, I didn't watch a whole lot of college football this year (though i did watch a few oregon games, and i thought he looked good).

i don't recall him as a first round pick, but at 5'9", he's undersized to start with.

Diehard

01-18-2012, 06:39 PM

Hmm.. what makes you say that? Poe, Still, Thompson, Worthy, Brockers, etc. would represent good value @ #25.

Which one of those guys brings the pass rush we need inside? There are a lot of big, solid bodies there but I'm not convinced that's what we need. Worthy is the obvious fit but he's inconsistent. Brockers has big potential, but probably goes before we pick.

Maybe I'm selling some of these guys short, but it seems like we're overvaluing them simply because the talent pool is weaker this time around.

Diehard

01-18-2012, 06:40 PM

i don't recall him as a first round pick, but at 5'9", he's undersized to start with.

Size and scheme... people saying he's go huge holes to run through because of the zone option and pace of the Oregon attack.

jCut

01-18-2012, 07:47 PM

Which one of those guys brings the pass rush we need inside? There are a lot of big, solid bodies there but I'm not convinced that's what we need. Worthy is the obvious fit but he's inconsistent. Brockers has big potential, but probably goes before we pick.

Maybe I'm selling some of these guys short, but it seems like we're overvaluing them simply because the talent pool is weaker this time around.

I'm not convinced any of the ones I mentioned are future stars either, but I'm also not sold on the available corners, Alfonzo Dennard or Janoris Jenkins. Or Vontaze Burfict at ILB.

Diehard

01-19-2012, 01:35 PM

McCoy cancels Raiders interview:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19768569

Rumor has it the CU AHC / QB coach Rip Scherer is being lined up to join the Broncos staff if McCoy leaves:

http://www.milehighsports.com/?p=8267

I think Scherer would be a fine QB coach, but I'm not sold on Gase as OC. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

njx9

01-19-2012, 04:24 PM

oh god why... from cu? didn't anyone on the broncos staff watch our team last year? blech.

Diehard

01-20-2012, 06:02 PM

oh god why... from cu? didn't anyone on the broncos staff watch our team last year? blech.

God granted your request - McCoy stays with us... unless the Raiders are willing to take a chance after he snubbed them.

Punisher

01-23-2012, 04:48 PM

Dennis Allen to the Raiders? He's on his 2nd interview w/ them.

Keeping Allen should be a major priority IMO.

njx9

01-24-2012, 11:48 AM

ok, so given that we never spend on free agency. and given that he wouldn't come here. etc.:

would you, if you were our GM, seriously pursue mario williams to play opposite doom and von?

jCut

01-24-2012, 11:52 AM

ok, so given that we never spend on free agency. and given that he wouldn't come here. etc.:

would you, if you were our GM, seriously pursue mario williams to play opposite doom and von?

Hell yes..........

njx9

01-24-2012, 12:04 PM

knowing the kind of contract it's going to take to sign him?

Punisher

01-24-2012, 11:53 PM

Who do you guys think we should go after for our new D coordinator now with Allen gone?

CT Bronco Fan

01-24-2012, 11:57 PM

Who do you guys think we should go after for our new D coordinator now with Allen gone?

If I was a betting man I'd bet on Mike Trgovac.

jCut

01-25-2012, 09:51 AM

knowing the kind of contract it's going to take to sign him?

I'm not too worried about the money, but then again, I'm not Pat Bowlen. Take a look at the Giants and the way they've built their defense. They have four legit pass-rushers and they cycle them, keeping them fresh and consistent. Their linebackers and secondary are ok, but the strength of that defense is the edge rushers. If we add Mario Williams into the mix, we become great in one area on defense. And that is the foundation of a dominant defense, and the best way to counter the QB-friendly offenses of the NFL.

And I'm going to go with Jack Del Rio as the new DC. The two (Fox and Del Rio) have worked together before, back in Carolina.

Diehard

01-26-2012, 01:26 PM

And I'm going to go with Jack Del Rio as the new DC. The two (Fox and Del Rio) have worked together before, back in Carolina.

I'd like the see Del Rio as well, my only concern being how long will a guy with his kind of experience be content to be DC before he takes another shot at a HC gig.

Then again, Allen was only a DC for a year and look what happened there...

Timbathia

01-26-2012, 02:18 PM

I'd like the see Del Rio as well, my only concern being how long will a guy with his kind of experience be content to be DC before he takes another shot at a HC gig.

Then again, Allen was only a DC for a year and look what happened there...

Richard Smith? More continuity, has enough experience and unlikely to leave unless fired.

Diehard

01-26-2012, 05:36 PM

Richard Smith? More continuity, has enough experience and unlikely to leave unless fired.

My concern about that is this: if you thought Smith was DC material, why did you need to bring in Allen in the first place?

Cunningham

01-27-2012, 08:57 PM

del rio has been named the new defensive coordinator. i'm really happy with this, and i think that this offsets losing allen very nicely. not sure if this changes our offseason approach at all, but i hope that efx are more apt to spend money on free agents than they were last year.

Diehard

01-28-2012, 04:38 PM

Del Rio is a fine hire. He's a guy who's seen the benefit of impact DT play during his career as a coach... maybe he can convince the rest of the gang to put some significant resources into that position.

Diehard

01-28-2012, 04:49 PM

Interesting article from the DP:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19822111

More specifics about their draft board than I've seen in the past.

The missing piece is how they come up with the combined board from the within-position ranks provided by the scouts.

Diehard

02-16-2012, 11:39 AM

Some minor adds:

OG C.J. Davis

https://twitter.com/#%21/RavensInsider/status/169909187764158464

WR Jason Hill

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/02/15/broncos-sign-former-jacksonville-wr-jason-hill/12179/

jCut

02-16-2012, 08:08 PM

Jason Hill might be a nice, under-the-radar addition.

Diehard

02-16-2012, 10:21 PM

Jason Hill might be a nice, under-the-radar addition.

He's got talent, but he's had problems with dropped passes... hmm, that seems like a rather familiar story.

njx9

02-16-2012, 10:33 PM

we need another brandon lloyd, clearly.

njx9

02-23-2012, 12:11 AM

blech. not liking all of the 'denver drafts a qb in round 2/3' crap.

Diehard

02-23-2012, 11:18 AM

blech. not liking all of the 'denver drafts a qb in round 2/3' crap.

Round 2 is the worst, IMO, unless it's a case of lack of need causing someone to slide substantially. Lots of legit starting talent in round 2 at some of the less valued positions (RB, OL, LB, etc).

As far as QB's go, either grab an immediate starter in round 1 or take a flyer on a developmental guy in the mid-late rounds.

njx9

02-23-2012, 12:54 PM

that's where i'm at. anyone we draft, barring the case you mentioned, outside the first is almost by definition, not starting material.

Diehard

02-23-2012, 05:21 PM

that's where i'm at. anyone we draft, barring the case you mentioned, outside the first is almost by definition, not starting material.

I think the whole "QB completion in TC" is pretty much bogus anyway. Tebow will either be the guy or they will explicitly acquire his replacement in the draft or FA. After the QB mess last year, I think they will avoid any sort of ambiguity in this area.

njx9

02-23-2012, 06:06 PM

agreed. i'd expect (or maybe 'like', more accurately) to sign a quality veteran backup, as it seems that tebow is the guy until he plays himself out. have someone who could step in, and plan to move up as high as we need to next year. i just can't see anything that i'd actually want to do to change the position this year, short of the colts doing something really moronic with the first pick.

Rcee

02-24-2012, 06:24 AM

Jimmy

02-24-2012, 06:45 AM

sorta' curious if any of you have any 'crushes' that you'd love to see in a broncos uni.

i'm really diggin' some fletcher cox right now, and the more i watch lamar miller, the more i wouldn't mind grabbing him either. it's a shame we used 2 draft picks last year on TEs because i've developed quite the fondness for fleener and allen as well.

For a reasonable 2 year contract, Jason Campbell would be a great signing and he would give Tim an immediate slap in the ass to get moving. OR he would steal his job, fair and square. May the best quarterback start. Short term, it's a better solve than a late round guy, and we still need to add a second quarterback in the draft.

2. http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2436947.jpg
Would provide excellent value in the 4-5 area, but something tells me he will be gone long before then. Probably my biggest draft crush aside from Chris Polk. If Polk doesn't run well in INDY, he has my endorsement for a round 3 plummet selection.

3. Janoris Jenkins- His hips don't lie. Not concerned with his character issues. I hope that he somehow gets to 25.
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4. Mark Barron- Won't fall to #25, but if he did... He'd most likely be the BPA. Without getting into details, I think he's one of the 10 best players in the draft.

Lamar Milller (and I think I've said this a bunch of times...) is another Tatum Bell, at least from what I've seen. He lacks a great change of direction on most plays. This isn't because he's physically incapable of making quick cuts, because he can actually stop on a dime. But because his vision isn't up to par. He will just as soon run into his blocker as he will make a one cut into a hole. Nobody can deny the fact that he has superior speed, but he plays about 5-10 pounds less than he weighs in. He goes down easily on a regular basis. Not a ton of leg drive. I think he needs to be treated like a Lamichael James, somebody who I think packs just as much power as Miller, but far most consistent elusiveness and ability to see the hole. Off to watch some highlights again.

If he puts on 5 pounds before the year and performs well in the positional drills and bench at indy, I wouldn't be incredibly opposed.

njx9

02-24-2012, 08:12 AM

lamichael. still. i don't think we'll take him, and i expect he'll be a bust on most nfl teams. but he'd be so perfect here.

i agree on campbell if we're talking about like, a 2 year deal. he just shouldn't be a starting nfl qb.

Rcee

02-24-2012, 01:31 PM

forgot about jenkins, he's probably my favorite possibility at 25.

not a lamichael fan. would prefer someone like rainey in the 4th as opposed to james in the 2nd.

Diehard

02-24-2012, 02:51 PM

not a lamichael fan. would prefer someone like rainey in the 4th as opposed to james in the 2nd.

I think LaMike would be a good fit as our second RB, but I'd like to see him slide into the 3rd before picking him up. I'd rather see our 2nd rounder used to acquire a starter.

njx9

02-24-2012, 03:09 PM

don't disagree. ideally for me, we go DT, CB then RB (assuming no positional difference in value at each pick), then start to fill in depth (LB, OL, whatever).

Jimmy

02-25-2012, 11:21 AM

Guys that won't be there at 25, but should be taken if they are, based on value:

Kirkpatrick, Ingram, Kuechly, Kendall Wright, Devon Still, Cordy Glenn

If any of the following guys are there at #25, I think it's a no brainer as well.

I just really really hope we go BPA. None of these guys could hurt.

njx9

02-25-2012, 07:29 PM

i don't really like still. might just be penn state bias.

Diehard

02-27-2012, 04:40 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/02/27/combine/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

I think Denver picks a quarterback in the first two rounds

Hmm. That doesn't make sense to me unless we move Tebow. Even then, we have zero shot at the top 2 guys, so who is going to walk in and take the starter job? Weeden? Cousins? Osweiler? Tannehill has talent but he's a project... and is probably also long gone before we pick.

njx9

02-27-2012, 04:46 PM

i would actually vomit. the only qb we should be taking in the first two rounds won't make it past the first pick.

Diehard

02-27-2012, 05:04 PM

i would actually vomit. the only qb we should be taking in the first two rounds won't make it past the first pick.

I agree... and I am reminded that Peter King made this same prediction when we ended up taking Tebow. Perhaps he knows something we don't?

njx9

02-27-2012, 05:41 PM

god i hope not. if we take some garbage like osweiler in the first, we'll be back to the #2 overall pick inside of 3 years.

Diehard

02-27-2012, 08:30 PM

god i hope not. if we take some garbage like osweiler in the first, we'll be back to the #2 overall pick inside of 3 years.

I'm actually warming up to the Osweiler pick if the value is right. However, taking him in the first would be a serious reach. At the same time, it would definitely mean we've shipped Tebow out for picks as there's no way you could justify taking a guy early just to create some competition in TC.

Cunningham

02-28-2012, 09:07 PM

i have a feeling that one of either jenkins or kirkpatrick will fall to 25. gilmore's also intriguing, but it's hard to find a whole lot of info on the guy. also, what the ****, vontaze? what could've been...

I'm actually warming up to the Osweiler pick if the value is right. However, taking him in the first would be a serious reach. At the same time, it would definitely mean we've shipped Tebow out for picks as there's no way you could justify taking a guy early just to create some competition in TC.
taking osweiler anywhere before day three would be a serious reach, imo.

njx9

02-28-2012, 10:34 PM

i have a feeling that one of either jenkins or kirkpatrick will fall to 25. gilmore's also intriguing, but it's hard to find a whole lot of info on the guy. also, what the ****, vontaze? what could've been...

i would kill to get dre in the first. i wouldn't like his value in the top 15, but at 25? sign me up, especially with a couple of seasons to play under champ. realistically, i like the cbs that i think will be available for us a lot more than the DTs i expect to be available.

taking osweiler anywhere before day three would be a serious reach, imo.

completely agree, and i'd agree even if we had no qbs on the roster. i've watched as much tape as i could stomach and he's just not an nfl qb, imo.

Diehard

02-29-2012, 01:00 AM

i would kill to get dre in the first. i wouldn't like his value in the top 15, but at 25? sign me up, especially with a couple of seasons to play under champ. realistically, i like the cbs that i think will be available for us a lot more than the DTs i expect to be available.

Unless there's a big run on DT's, we should have some choice at 25 if we're set on that position. The big potential guys (Poe, Brockers) will be gone, but that leaves plenty - Cox, Worthy, Still, Ta'amu, Thompson. Take your pick. Even better, trade back a bit and still have some choices.

I think defense will be solid at 25 as long as we aren't too picky about position. Offensive options will be a lot weaker - too many teams seem to be looking for playmakers on offense this time around.

njx9

02-29-2012, 08:16 AM

Diehard

02-29-2012, 02:04 PM

i dunno, i don't really do mocks (or pay much attention at this point), but i have a feeling DT will be a hotter commodity, and i'm unconvinced some of those guys would have value at our pick (now, if we could trade back a bit, i'd be all for a guy like still). meh. it's march, i think FA will tell us a lot, pretty quickly.

I think the best approach would be to see if someone with really good value drops to 25, and if not, trade back a bit. We could use an extra 3rd, especially if we're going to burn a pick somewhere on a QB.

Having the Steelers picking right ahead of us is a bit annoying, as they have some very similar needs (OL, DL, CB, ILB). Makes the trade back situation a little more likely.

njx9

02-29-2012, 03:06 PM

i'd be in. i'd be happy to pitch our first for a first next year straight up, but that's mostly because i expect we'll need to draft a real qb next year and would want the ammo to move around if necessary.

Jimmy

02-29-2012, 10:47 PM

njx9

02-29-2012, 10:49 PM

i think murray right now. i really, really don't like barkley and i haven't seen bray.

Diehard

03-01-2012, 02:35 PM

Talking about the next draft like this isn't exactly inspiring my confidence about the coming season...

Anyway, the thinking is right:

If it is truly Tebow's year to sink or swim, look at drafting a QB early in 2013 if the sinking thing happens.

If you've already written off Tebow behind closed doors, then ship him out now and draft his replacement in 2012. Unfortunately, the talent pool and our draft position are not very favorable to this approach.

Taking a flyer on a guy mid-late in this year's draft is fine either way, as you need someone to groom as a backup (or more than that if you get lucky).

njx9

03-01-2012, 03:01 PM

Talking about the next draft like this isn't exactly inspiring my confidence about the coming season...

sorry, it's apparently never too early for me to assume we'll suck. :P

Timbathia

03-01-2012, 06:25 PM

Someone go get Bush.

Jimmy

03-02-2012, 08:11 AM

Someone go get Bush.

Do want. As long as we don't overpay, I think it would be a solid addition. Still think there's a ton of talent at RB in the 2nd-4th round that we need to consider.

Also, what are our feelings regarding going after positions of lesser importance with early picks if they are the BPA?

e.g. wideout and defensive end and safety. If the BPA truly is at one of those lesser needed places, do we take the guy anway? Guys like Vinny Curry, Mohammed Sanu are incredible talents, but likely won't be there at 57. Would we pull the trigger despite a lack of need if they somehow were?

or, what if a guy like Kendall Wright/Mark Barron/Perry fell to 25?

njx9

03-02-2012, 08:50 AM

Do want. As long as we don't overpay, I think it would be a solid addition. Still think there's a ton of talent at RB in the 2nd-4th round that we need to consider.

i assume we're talking about michael bush? meh. why? he fits no role (see: mcgahee).

Also, what are our feelings regarding going after positions of lesser importance with early picks if they are the BPA?

it depends how strongly they're BPA. if we were looking at like, blackmon at 25, i'd be ok with it.

e.g. wideout and defensive end and safety. If the BPA truly is at one of those lesser needed places, do we take the guy anway? Guys like Vinny Curry, Mohammed Sanu are incredible talents, but likely won't be there at 57. Would we pull the trigger despite a lack of need if they somehow were?

sanu is mediocre. i don't buy curry. i would imagine there would be *far* better players at that pick.

or, what if a guy like Kendall Wright/Mark Barron/Perry fell to 25?

again, i think kendall wright is hugely overrated. i'd be sort of ok with barron, but it would mean that we'd have something like 5 high draft picks invested in safety in the last three years. i don't think nick perry would be the 25th best player, let alone the best player available by the time we picked, but i'd be ok with a DE, provided he could take 2 downs for doom, or 3rd down for ayers.

Jimmy

03-02-2012, 08:48 PM

I'm actually terrified that we had some part in a saints type bounty program, and that we'll get found out and lose picks.

Diehard

03-02-2012, 10:48 PM

I'm actually terrified that we had some part in a saints type bounty program, and that we'll get found out and lose picks.

Maybe, but the link was weak and already severed now that Allen is in Oakland.

I think if the NFL brings the hammer down on the Saints that will be enough to deliver the message. A league-wide witch hunt involving every team touched by Williams and his assistants isn't going to be productive.

Diehard

03-02-2012, 11:13 PM

Also, what are our feelings regarding going after positions of lesser importance with early picks if they are the BPA?

I'm on board with BPA. We need difference-makers.

However, if that's the case then I think you can rule out QB, WR, TE and RB at 25:

* top 3 QB's will be long gone
* only solid 1st rounders I have at WR are Blackmon and Floyd
* no TE is worth a 1st
* Richardson goes early, Lamar Miller goes to Cincy

So that leaves OL, DL, LB, S, CB as the potential slide positions. We could use help at all these spots so I think we are in pretty good shape.

Jimmy

03-03-2012, 07:40 AM

I'm on board with BPA. We need difference-makers.

However, if that's the case then I think you can rule out QB, WR, TE and RB at 25:

* top 3 QB's will be long gone
* only solid 1st rounders I have at WR are Blackmon and Floyd
* no TE is worth a 1st
* Richardson goes early, Lamar Miller goes to Cincy

So that leaves OL, DL, LB, S, CB as the potential slide positions. We could use help at all these spots so I think we are in pretty good shape.

I'm not sold with this whole Tannehill going in the top 15 thing. Absolutely nothing this kid has done has warranted him as a top 15 pick, although everyone and their mothers generally agree he's a lock in the 1st. Dare I say, NJX, that Tannehill has a slight leg up on Gabbert as a prospect. In any event, If KC, Seattle and Arizona pass up on him, he would technically be passed up until the second round, unless we took him or someone traded up for him. If he take him, I will cry blood.

Lamar Miller isn't that good anyway, perhaps for the best.

Anyway, at this point my favorite is Cordy Glenn / Mark Barron .

Diehard

03-03-2012, 10:47 AM

I'm not sold with this whole Tannehill going in the top 15 thing. Absolutely nothing this kid has done has warranted him as a top 15 pick, although everyone and their mothers generally agree he's a lock in the 1st.

Yeah, he hasn't done much but his potential is the draw. I think he's gone by the teens. If he starts to slide I can see someone trading in to grab him. If he makes it to 25 the Broncos will probably do something stupid and my brain will explode.

Lamar Miller isn't that good anyway, perhaps for the best.

He's a speed back. He'll be overdrafted because of it. I'd happily take him with our 2nd rounder, but that won't be an option. Doesn't really matter because there will be plenty of good options for offensive skill guys in round 2.

Anyway, at this point my favorite is Cordy Glenn / Mark Barron .

I think those are both pretty good guesses. Even with the new rookie contracts, the positional value will still discourage teams from taking interior OL or SS early. Barron fits the description well (tough, smart, team leader, good tackler) but as njx said, can we justify burning yet another early pick on a safety?

Timbathia

03-03-2012, 02:59 PM

I think those are both pretty good guesses. Even with the new rookie contracts, the positional value will still discourage teams from taking interior OL or SS early. Barron fits the description well (tough, smart, team leader, good tackler) but as njx said, can we justify burning yet another early pick on a safety?

if the brass dont think the safetys we currently have are good enough, then we have to bring in another one. The previous picks are gone so really it is irrelevant how many we have used recently on that positiom. Looking at the roster now, if a special safety was available we could use them.

njx9

03-03-2012, 07:07 PM

if the brass dont think the safetys we currently have are good enough, then we have to bring in another one. The previous picks are gone so really it is irrelevant how many we have used recently on that positiom. Looking at the roster now, if a special safety was available we could use them.

see, but that's my problem with it. do we really have any idea what we have? half of them have played one year, a couple have played 2 years. is that enough to get a read, and to basically give up on them? is barron good enough that it doesn't matter what we have?

Timbathia

03-03-2012, 08:28 PM

see, but that's my problem with it. do we really have any idea what we have? half of them have played one year, a couple have played 2 years. is that enough to get a read, and to basically give up on them? is barron good enough that it doesn't matter what we have?

I dont know the answer to any of those questions. Hopefully EFX does, but my point remains that IF Barron is considered a significant upgrade then we shouldnt avoid him just because we have taken a heap of safetys in the last few drafts.

At this stage ALL of the recent ones we have taken look like special teamers. I dont see them at practice or know what they were supposed to be doing each play. I really havent seen anywhere near enough to know if any of them can make the jump to quality starter level.

Timbathia

03-03-2012, 08:33 PM

i assume we're talking about michael bush? meh. why? he fits no role (see: mcgahee).

Willis had 250 out of 550 carries last year and got nicked up a lot. Even if he stays that healthy next season, which is best case scenario, there is still 200 carries for Bush and a hundred for a third down or speed back.

He isnt worth breaking the bank for, unless Willis couldnt go, but I think he would be very useful.

Diehard

03-04-2012, 11:02 AM

Willis had 250 out of 550 carries last year and got nicked up a lot. Even if he stays that healthy next season, which is best case scenario, there is still 200 carries for Bush and a hundred for a third down or speed back.

He isnt worth breaking the bank for, unless Willis couldnt go, but I think he would be very useful.

If we are looking to replace McGahee, then definitely bring Bush in. But having both on the roster seems like a lot of the same. I'd rather see a fast guy in the 2nd RB spot, with the 3rd RB being well-rounded enough to spell either spot.

Anyway, I'm almost certain we'll end up with a RB in the draft. Whether they are the complement to McGahee or his eventual successor remains to be seen.

Diehard

03-08-2012, 10:23 AM

So I've seem three sources (Lombardi, Schefter, Freeman) say that Denver is one of the main players in the Manning hunt.

Does Elway remember how a powerful run game gave him two Championships at the end of his career? I think he does. I can actually see this working if they play their cards right. For example, on offense add:

Manning / Wayne / FA TE / Draft RB / Draft OL

That would leave the majority of draft picks to build the defense.

Whether or not we keep Tebow is a bit of a zero sum equation, because if they trade him you know they'll just draft another QB to groom behind Manning.

Of course, everything depends on a clean bill of health for Manning and a committment to protecting him with a solid OL / potent run game.

njx9

03-08-2012, 10:27 AM

if schefter is saying it, i believe it.

but i don't like it.

FlyingElvis

03-08-2012, 10:30 AM

Just posted in another thread, so plz excuse the lazy quote:

As for Denver . . .

If Peyton (via his daddy :sarcastic:) didn't want to be on the same team as Andrew Luck, what makes any of you think it's even remotely possible he would join the Tebow circus?

The only way he goes to Denver is if Tebow is shipped somewhere else.

njx9

03-08-2012, 10:32 AM

i think it's a different situation. i don't tebow is remotely a barrier to peyton playing, whereas luck, if not immediately, would be by year two. i think the fans that are actually here going to games aren't generally idiotic, it's just the espn mouth breathers. that said, if peyton comes in and *loses* here? i can't even imagine the backlash.

FlyingElvis

03-08-2012, 10:37 AM

I agree there's a difference but think the pressure is all on Peyton, regardless. Having a big name "backup" has to be a concern for a guy his age w/potential arm strength concerns. Basically, I think he ends up looking over his shoulder with Tebow, too, and that just isn't happening. He'll have too many options available to choose a situation like that over Arizona or Seattle, where the QB options have proven they can't win.

Diehard

03-08-2012, 10:50 AM

Jimmy

03-08-2012, 02:39 PM

Vic Lombari touched on this in his report on the Manning situation.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/6821983-broncos-interested-in-manning/

I tend to agree with him that Tebow would be traded in this situation:

1. Tebow's value is relatively high after our playoff run

2. Tebow was never Elway's guy, so this provides a good excuse to move him

3. Peyton won't want Tebow looking over his shoulder

Bascially, the team gets the kind of passing attack they want (Peyton does the P/A as well as anyone) while resolving the internal dilemma re: Tebow. I can see that being a very appealing solution.

It would be somewhat of a cleansing feeling, at least in my opinion, if this were to unfold.

By no means is Manning "the future" of any franchise. He has 4 years left in his tank. I still think that he will elevate relatively any team he signs with into Superbowl contenders.

As much as I want to see him succeed, my humble opinion is that Tebow will not be an effective NFL quarterback from this point on. I am in the minority, but I am led to believe the EFX troop is on my side.

There are a few reasons why I think Peyton could end up in Denver:

1. Many of his other destinations have negatives attached to them

Washington- This would involve playing against his brother 2 times a year. He reportedly wants to avoid this if possible. He also would like to stay in the AFC.

“A couple of different sources inside the organization have told me that Manning’s camp made it pretty clear to Redskins officials he doesn’t want to come here,” Russell said Thursday on SportsCenter (via ProFootball.com). "… There’s lots of reasons for that. His brother Eli, the colder weather, the whole situation down in Miami and so on and so forth. But unless that changes -- and I’m taking my sources at their word -- I don’t think Manning’s coming here to D.C.”

Read into that, and it's clear that Peyton isn't a fan of cold weather. So maybe Denver isn't the place he ends up, or Washington. Maybe Miami is the spot.

2. Miami
There's also the chance that he doesn't want to go up against Tom Brady 2 times a year, but that does not seem to be as strong of a deterrent as playing his brother. It depends on how much another ring matters to the guy.

All in all, I have no objections to signing Peyton Manning if he somehow ends up here. We should eat his enormous salary for 2-3 years. He's proven what he can turn a ****** club into. We'd have a legitimate chance to get to the super bowl, and we'd improve our odds twofold to win the division, regardless of our other shortcomings.

I'm a firm believer that a solid QB is, by far, the best way to win a division.

2. Tebow is in no way, shape or form, an obstacle to Manning getting here.
Elway doesn't want him, let's not fool ourselves with a single quote.

Sloopy

03-08-2012, 02:47 PM

I encourage you all to check out my latest four round mock :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

Jimmy

03-08-2012, 02:54 PM

I encourage you all to check out my latest four round mock :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

25. Denver Broncos – Michael Brockers DT LSU: The Tebow era is in full swing in Denver. Since Elway won’t be able to convince anyone of drafting a QB (especially this late) he will go BPA at a position of need to try and improve the overall talent level of the team. Brockers will be an impact player on the interior of that DL and add another element to that already mean defense.

25. Denver Broncos – LaMichael James RB Oregon: There may be no better fit in this draft than James to the Broncos. Certainly will add another wrinkle to this unorthodox offense.

Denver Broncos – Leonard Johnson CB Iowa State: Hurst himself a bit in the combine but I think he will be a steal here and it would be nice to get some promising youth into that secondary

25. Denver Broncos – Donte Paige-Moss DE North Carolina: This Tarheel comes with some baggage and this might be a bit early for him as a selection but was once considered a first rounder and might be worth the risk at this point in the draft.

You're going to make NJX happy, I can tell you that.

I'm not a huge LMJ fan, don't think he'd be the BRA before the mid 3rd. I'd rather see someone with a little more meat on their bones, a typical Fox/Studesville back. I don't see how we don't pull the trigger on Lamar Miller or Doug Martin in late round 2, though. I almost want to say that you forgot about Miller in your draft and slipped him in a little late. Not to say that I particularly love him.

njx9

03-08-2012, 02:57 PM

i don't buy lamar miller as being all that good.

regarding peyton, i don't want a 38 year old, broken qb if it precludes in any way whatsoever, us drafting one next year.

Diehard

03-08-2012, 03:01 PM

There are a few reasons why I think Peyton could end up in Denver:

1. Many of his other destinations have negatives attached to them

Apparently, Washington is out. The brother-vs-brother thing appears to hold significant weight.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/report-manning-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-redskins/

Russell appeared on SportsCenter Thursday and, citing multiple sources, reported that Manning doesn’t want to play in the nation’s capital and has already informed the team.

Looks like Miami and Denver in the lead right now.

2. Tebow is in no way, shape or form, an obstacle to Manning getting here.
Elway doesn't want him, let's not fool ourselves with a single quote.

Agreed. As I said earlier, it actually solves the Tebow problem for the team.

I encourage you all to check out my latest four round mock :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

Nice work. I'll post comments in the thread.

Jimmy

03-08-2012, 03:01 PM

i don't buy lamar miller as being all that good.

regarding peyton, i don't want a 38 year old, broken qb if it precludes in any way whatsoever, us drafting one next year.

As someone who has previously compared Lamar to Tatum, neither do I. But I still recognize that most people think he has enormous potential. I think round 3 is about a round too late.

Peyton Manning- I think drafting a 36 year old, broken (but soon to be cleared) QB (who probably still has it) is a great move, and would improve our chances of drafting a young QB

1. It improves the likelihood that we get rid of TT enormous (this ties into #4)
2. It reduces the need for a veteran QB
3. It makes drafting a young QB so much more logical and appealing - throwing a quarterback better than Jim Sorgi under the arms of one of the best film hawks ever can only help.
4. Your starting QB is 36 years old. You have to consider the future soon.

Edit: Added bonus, we get rid of all the Gainesville Transplants
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/smith4.gif

njx9

03-08-2012, 03:34 PM

As someone who has previously compared Lamar to Tatum, neither do I. But I still recognize that most people think he has enormous potential. I think round 3 is about a round too late.

fair enough, somehow i completely misread your last post.

Peyton Manning- I think drafting a 36 year old, broken (but soon to be cleared) QB (who probably still has it) is a great move, and would improve our chances of drafting a young QB

1. It improves the likelihood that we get rid of TT enormous (this ties into #4)
2. It reduces the need for a veteran QB
3. It makes drafting a young QB so much more logical and appealing - throwing a quarterback better than Jim Sorgi under the arms of one of the best film hawks ever can only help.
4. Your starting QB is 36 years old. You have to consider the future soon.

if that's true, i'm ok with it (and obviously you all know i'd be ecstatic at anything that got tebow out), but i worry that we'd sign peyton, then think 'well, we don't need a first round qb... let's take **** QB X in the 4th round, i'm sure he'll be awesome after a few years under peyton!'

for me, signing peyton would mean (if i were gm) my next move would be to trade out of this year's first round and do whatever i could to acquire an extra first next year. if we had the ammo to move up and get any of the top three qbs (let's assume, for the sake of argument, that at least three of the guys next year are still good by draft time)... that's moving this team in a good direction, imo.

the only other reason i'm scared of picking up peyton is because i think his play-calling has been terrible over the last few years. if he's willing to play in a more run-dominant offense, then i have less reservations in that regard.

Diehard

03-08-2012, 04:16 PM

the only other reason i'm scared of picking up peyton is because i think his play-calling has been terrible over the last few years. if he's willing to play in a more run-dominant offense, then i have less reservations in that regard.

If I was Elway, I'd be selling Peyton on the same thing that worked at the end of Elway's career - go heavy on the run game to soften up the defense and take pressure off Peyton, then take some shots downfield. I think this is the offense Fox wants to run anyway.

Jimmy

03-08-2012, 04:21 PM

If I was Elway, I'd be selling Peyton on the same thing that worked at the end of Elway's career - go heavy on the run game to soften up the defense and take pressure off Peyton, then take some shots downfield. I think this is the offense Fox wants to run anyway.

Who would be our TD?

the only other reason i'm scared of picking up peyton is because i think his play-calling has been terrible over the last few years. if he's willing to play in a more run-dominant offense, then i have less reservations in that regard.

back to the TD thing... we get into the issue of a run heavy scheme without a future back.

would you be ok with moreno getting 10 carries a game and mcgahee 15? i say **** that. moreno is a #3 back at best from the standpoint that the nfl is now a 2 back league and you don't want him touching the ball.

Do you prefer someone other than lamichael if we take peyton? like an edgerrin/td type back who can do a little of everything? *cough*turbin*cough

njx9

03-08-2012, 04:34 PM

no, i still <3 lamichael as a change of pace back. that said, he holds less value for me if we're not still running this idiotic offense, so i'd be looking at him more in the late 3rd/4th range. if a guy like but not necessarily polk (just as an example of a guy i think is more well-rounded) was there for our second, i wouldn't be upset with that pick. but i do think it would be vital to get someone at running back (moreso than if we keep on with the teebz).

either way, moreno should've been released 3 weeks ago.

Jimmy

03-08-2012, 05:40 PM

either way, moreno should've been released 3 weeks ago.

What I'm about to say is almost the quivalent of saying that we should extend BQ's contract to 2 years 2 million.

you can almost make the case that Knowshon is worth his 2012 salary numbers
Base salary of 855k, 832k signing bonus, totaling 1.687 mil against the cap in '12.

that's almost reasonable for a 3rd string running back. As far as what he deserves, though, he should have been cut 3 weeks ago.

also, let's just all take some time to laugh-

could you imagine ponying up the money to pay him without an injury clause...shipping out Tebow and then watching Manning go down in Week 5??

could set the franchise back 5 years or so? scary thought

:rofl: associating setting a franchise back 5 years and getting rid of tebow

not to say i'm not rooting for him.

njx9

03-08-2012, 05:42 PM

i have to imagine the mane is in a frenzy over losing tebow.

Timbathia

03-08-2012, 05:52 PM

If Manning turns up in Denver and plays well, then I will be happy very quickly.

That being said, it feels all wrong to think about Manning and potentially Reggie Wayne turning up here. We spent several years trying to put together a defense specifically to STOP these guys (obviously we failed miserably). I have never been overly fond of legends moving franchise and to be honest would rather it didnt happen here.

Jimmy

03-08-2012, 05:53 PM

i have to imagine the mane is in a frenzy over losing tebow.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/6/24/128903747407067803.jpg
so Manning plays defense now too?

GB put up 49 on us.
DET put up 45 on us.
MIN put up 32 on us.
NE put up 41 and 45 on us.
BUF put up 40 on us.

we need help on defense. spending money on Manning and satisfying his additional offensive requirements would set this franchise back at least 5 or 6 years.

Why do people think it is logical to kick Tebow to the curb or trade him for Manning when the Colts themselves aren't doing that either... and Manning gave them his whole career...

And regardless of the hype... Andrew Luck is far far less proven than Tebow... the only reason Luck is so hyped is because he hasn't had the opportunity to get exposed that Tebow faced all through college and in the NFL.

Yet people act as if you would be nuts to let Manning go and play Tebow instead.. the Colts are doing that with Luck...

Gabbert is the Prototype. He's a hell of a lot closer to what Elway has hinted he's looking for than Tebow.

Sign Manning, trade for Gabbert to study him?

How about Tim for Gabbert and and a pick/picks. We let Gabbert sit behind Manning for a few years and see what he can do. Or maybe draft a QB in the third.

Either way I don't see this happening.

njx9

03-08-2012, 06:08 PM

gabbert? :sarcastic:

this is the problem with team-specific forums.

Sloopy

03-08-2012, 07:54 PM

You're going to make NJX happy, I can tell you that.

I'm not a huge LMJ fan, don't think he'd be the BRA before the mid 3rd. I'd rather see someone with a little more meat on their bones, a typical Fox/Studesville back. I don't see how we don't pull the trigger on Lamar Miller or Doug Martin in late round 2, though. I almost want to say that you forgot about Miller in your draft and slipped him in a little late. Not to say that I particularly love him.

I definitely didn't forget him (Forgot Reuben though)

As I explained in my mock:

I have Miller as the #4 RB on my board but he went as the 5th off the board because I really do like LaMichael James to you guys.

Add in the fact that I personally don't really value the RB position early in the draft (With few exceptions) and I think he falls pretty far on draft day.

Diehard

03-08-2012, 10:44 PM

gabbert? :sarcastic:

this is the problem with team-specific forums.

The Mane is particularly bad. Too much douchebaggery, posturing and pettiness. There are some sharp football guys there (Khan, EddieMac) but their posts get drowned in the morass of crap.

Jimmy, I notice you've taken another shot at raising the quality of football discussion there. Just avoid getting baited and drawn into the ****... remember that's the craft they've been honing over there at the expense of actual football talk.

Jimmy

03-09-2012, 06:15 AM

The Mane is particularly bad. Too much douchebaggery, posturing and pettiness. There are some sharp football guys there (Khan, EddieMac) but their posts get drowned in the morass of crap.

Jimmy, I notice you've taken another shot at raising the quality of football discussion there. Just avoid getting baited and drawn into the ****... remember that's the craft they've been honing over there at the expense of actual football talk.

It's my charity work. Managed to go a whole two weeks without having a colossal blow-up and, remarkably, some people actually aren't so bad. Unless Tebow goes, there is no way I last past the off-season, though. I'll probably snap at jhns or somebody with equal lack of brain tissue.

Also, thoughts on Peyton "Covert-Ops" Hillis rejoining the team? I have my opinions, I'll just save them for later.

http://i.imgur.com/KEBk7.jpg

njx9

03-09-2012, 08:17 AM

no point (hillis). i don't think he offers us anything we don't already have.

Diehard

03-09-2012, 11:47 AM

I don't see Hillis coming back. He left under a dark cloud and his actions in Cleveland didn't exactly paint him as a team-first kind of guy.

I think drafting a RB somewhere in rounds 2-5 is probably going to give you a lot more bang for your buck. Maybe look at someone like Vick Ballard to give you that more physical running style.

We've also still got Mario Fannin who looked pretty decent in TC last year before he got injured.

njx9

03-09-2012, 04:11 PM

wow our fans are idiots. see the poll results:

http://kwgn.com/2012/03/09/peyton-manning-meets-with-elway-broncos/

Diehard

03-09-2012, 04:41 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/VicLombardi/status/178247731926679552

Six games each for violating the substance abuse policy.

EDIT: Virgil Green got 4 as well

Some roster trimming is being done for us, it seems. Not necessarily a bad thing.

Jimmy

03-09-2012, 04:44 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/VicLombardi/status/178247731926679552

Six games each for violating the substance abuse policy.

They're suing, I hope it is overturned.

njx9

03-09-2012, 04:45 PM

meh, nothing of value was lost.

Diehard

03-09-2012, 04:55 PM

meh, nothing of value was lost.

True:

* DJ was already on thin ice and has Woodyard waiting to take his spot

* McBean was a FA anyway

* Green going gives us an open TE slot to bring in Dallas Clark... ;)

njx9

03-09-2012, 05:47 PM

it's too bad, but dj's never been the same since getting moved inside. the only reason he didn't look worse last season, was because he was playing next to mays.

jCut

03-10-2012, 03:51 AM

* Green going gives us an open TE slot to bring in Dallas Clark... ;)

Oh god no.

Diehard

03-10-2012, 10:17 AM

Oh god no.

*If* Manning signs with us you know a bunch of his cronies are going to end up on the roster. We're actually in a good position to absorb them, because we don't have a veteran WR, veteran C or a receiving TE.

Clark looked like ass last year, but with Peyton it could be a different story. If you want to make this deal, you take the good with the bad.

Jimmy

03-10-2012, 10:24 AM

The following story is a great read and will cut the Manning monotony on this board in half. Repost from a different thread.

As you all know, Turbin is my #1 guy. I had no clue about this story, though and after reading it, I now think even higher of him. I will say that many prospects go similar tough upbringings, and many still see their problems persist. What separates this kid from many of those guys is that he is well spoken, incredibly mature, and has legendary work ethic.

We knock on guys like Janoris Jenkins for having 4 kids for all the right reasons. We look at prospects at RB and say, "Wow, he'd fit great, I wonder if he has the work ethic to be great?" This guy does, unequivocally. Enjoy the read if you have 5 minutes.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/08/SPKC1NI3BS.DTL

He will have the second best career of any back in this year's draft. This kid is the 2nd strongest RB in this class, one of the biggest, has the 3rd biggest hands, one of the best pairs of hands, one of the fastest, the most mature, and one of the most powerful.

Diehard

03-10-2012, 11:47 AM

My take:

He will have the second best career of any back in this year's draft. This kid is the 2nd strongest RB in this class, one of the biggest, has the 3rd biggest hands, one of the best pairs of hands, one of the fastest, the most mature, and one of the most powerful.

His injury history will keep him from going as high as his physical talent and production warrant. Also, he's not quite the threat in the open field that his timed speed would suggest.

If I was looking for someone to run between the tackles, I'd aim for Richardson (1st round), Doug Martin (2nd round), Turbin (3rd round) or Vick Ballard (4th round). I think all of these guys will be able to pound the rock inside in the NFL.

njx9

03-10-2012, 07:29 PM

if i was you, i'd remove the picture of the story and just link to it. that there would've been deleted on any other board.

Jimmy

03-11-2012, 11:31 AM

if i was you, i'd remove the picture of the story and just link to it. that there would've been deleted on any other board.

advice taken.

apparently Manning has narrowed down his choices to Denver and Arizona. I had a feeling the entire time he was gonna end up a Bronco. I think we are the favorites at this point.

:party:

Diehard

03-11-2012, 01:30 PM

apparently Manning has narrowed down his choices to Denver and Arizona. I had a feeling the entire time he was gonna end up a Bronco. I think we are the favorites at this point.

Dmac at 104.3 seems to agree - as of 20 minutes ago he said he still thinks there's a 90% chance Peyton ends up in Denver. Reporters tend to hedge their bets on things like that, so that would suggest he knows something we don't.

Anyway, we'll all know soon enough... and no matter which way the decision goes, I think the offseason will continue to be very interesting for the Broncos.

Diehard

03-11-2012, 01:40 PM

Another interesting point - according to Mike Klis, the only guy we are trying to get signed before FA starts is Bunkley:

http://twitter.com/#!/MikeKlis/status/178588392450310144

That gives us a lot of room to maneuver in FA, which I'm sure Peyton would find appealing.

jCut

03-11-2012, 03:29 PM

If you want to make this deal, you take the good with the bad.

Very good point, but I honestly don't think Clark has anything left. Reggie Wayne makes more sense.

jCut

03-11-2012, 03:32 PM

Dmac at 104.3 seems to agree - as of 20 minutes ago he said he still thinks there's a 90% chance Peyton ends up in Denver. Reporters tend to hedge their bets on things like that, so that would suggest he knows something we don't.

Dmac doesn't know anything. He tends to get emotional about these things, so I'd take his opinion with a very large grain of salt.

Arizona makes a whole lot of sense with Larry Fitzgerald in place, and I think that alone makes them the favorites.

Diehard

03-11-2012, 04:16 PM

Arizona makes a whole lot of sense with Larry Fitzgerald in place, and I think that alone makes them the favorites.

Their OL situation is pretty poor, though. That's kind of a big deal considering where Peyton is in his career and his injury situation.

The other thing is that we won our division and a playoff game without Peyton. The Cardinals didn't go anywhere and there are two teams in their own division (49ers and Seattle) that are better positioned to make a run as it stands.

Much depends on the sales pitch. Hope our guys did a good job.

Diehard

03-11-2012, 07:54 PM

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20152563/peyton-manning-nearing-decision-is-impressed-broncos-sources

Peyton Manning nearing decision, is impressed with Broncos, sources say

Well, it sure sounds like the Broncos' brass made an impression. It's hard to believe we are in this when just a week ago I thought Denver wasn't even on the radar for the Manning sweepstakes.

Jimmy

03-12-2012, 06:51 AM

Arizona makes a whole lot of sense with Larry Fitzgerald in place, and I think that alone makes them the favorites.

Also, Arizona is 12 Million OVER the cap, and that figure is assuming Arizona cuts Kolb and saves whatever million the number is.

Diehard

03-12-2012, 11:46 PM

Cecil Lammey on Manning and FA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXwKqnRNVP4&feature=youtu.be

At the end, he's asked to name the guys the Broncos will go after in FA. His response:

* FB Mike Tolbert (Chargers)
* MLB Jameel McClain (Ravens)
* DE Matt Roth (Jaguars)
* various defensive backs

McClain over Dan Connor (who would seem to be an obvious target) is interesting. Tolbert would be a very nice weapon and the fit is good.

njx9

03-12-2012, 11:55 PM

i'd love to get tolbert.

Jimmy

03-13-2012, 05:13 PM

Sad to see Eddie Royal go...

Diehard

03-13-2012, 06:10 PM

Sad to see Eddie Royal go...

He needs to go elsewhere to turn things around. He hasn't been a reliable receiver for a while now. I'll miss his ability to return kicks and continue to wonder why we didn't use him more in that capacity.

Jimmy

03-14-2012, 05:43 PM

He needs to go elsewhere to turn things around. He hasn't been a reliable receiver for a while now. I'll miss his ability to return kicks and continue to wonder why we didn't use him more in that capacity.

One of the biggest "what could have been" Broncos stories of my lifetime. I hope that he tears it up with Washington. Didn't Shanahan have him in the doghouse his second and third years, though?

Anyway, I'd rather see him turn into a 2-3 time pro-bowler than see him bust. Don't care if he isn't a Bronco, he's a great guy.

njx9

03-14-2012, 05:59 PM

*mcdaniels, and yes in his 2nd year. then he just failed to use him properly.

Diehard

03-14-2012, 06:14 PM

*mcdaniels, and yes in his 2nd year. then he just failed to use him properly.

To be fair, Royal is limited as a WR. Physically, he'd be nice as a slot receiver but his ability to read coverages on option routes just isn't there.

Shanahan had it right - keep things simple and play to his strengths. He looked pretty good grabbing those intermediate/deep passes off the bootleg back when Cutler was throwing the ball.

Diehard

03-15-2012, 05:01 PM

Denver signs S Mike Adams

http://twitter.com/#!/VicLombardi/status/180411469429608449

Mike Adams is great locker room guy. Great fit for Broncos. Just getting started.

njx9

03-15-2012, 06:25 PM

trufant in friday... i'd have rather had one of the guys who've already signed (marshall's contract wasn't bad), but he's still a step up from goodman.

Diehard

03-15-2012, 08:49 PM

trufant in friday... i'd have rather had one of the guys who've already signed (marshall's contract wasn't bad), but he's still a step up from goodman.

Jameel McClain (LB from Ravens) and John Abraham (Falcons) also look to be coming in to visit. All defense so far... other than the Manning situation.

It would seem we are a dead lock to take a RB in the draft.

jCut

03-15-2012, 09:31 PM

Love the addition of Adams. Shows a complete lack of confidence in Rahim Moore, though.

Diehard

03-15-2012, 09:53 PM

Love the addition of Adams. Shows a complete lack of confidence in Rahim Moore, though.

Or that Dawkins is done for sure. Or both.

Honestly, we couldn't afford to go into next season with Moore, Carter, Bruton and Bush as our safeties - that's just too much youth and too many question marks. Adams is a steady vet and we need that.

Diehard

03-16-2012, 04:59 PM

Geno Hayes (LB, Tampa) is also apparently coming in for a visit.

http://denver.sbnation.com/denver-broncos/2012/3/16/2877965/2012-nfl-free-agency-lb-geno-hayes-to-meet-with-denver-broncos

Fast, athletic guy who can cover - kinda fits Fox's mould. He got benched at least once for poor tackling, though.

Vic Lombardi tweeted something about there being more FA signings when EFX get back to Denver tonight. McClain and Trufant, or someone else?

Jimmy

03-18-2012, 06:07 PM

Thank God We Resigned Joe Mays

Timbathia

03-18-2012, 08:39 PM

Thank God We Resigned Joe Mays

I sure hope it is only to play special teams. He is our weakest link on defense and that makes us a bad defense.

Diehard

03-18-2012, 11:49 PM

That windbag Mike Lombardi was on NFLN earlier saying the Broncos have told the free agents they've been in contact with that everything is on hold until Manning makes his decision.

Good old front office paralysis. Well, Peyton, get the **** on with it so our execs can actually improve our ******* ****** roster.

Diehard

03-18-2012, 11:52 PM

I sure hope it is only to play special teams. He is our weakest link on defense and that makes us a bad defense.

QFT - he's an unguided missile in the run game and lost in coverage.

I keep hearing the FO is high on Irving but given that he's done nothing on the field so far that's a pretty dicey plan to run with. Bringing in someone else to compete for the starting MLB spot would ease my mind considerably.

Jimmy

03-19-2012, 11:45 AM

:banana: :banana: :banana: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :frog: :evil_laugh: :evil_laugh: :evil_laugh: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot:

Punisher

03-19-2012, 12:05 PM

Hallelujah!!!

Now who do we sign to compliment Manning? A TE,RB, WR?

Jimmy

03-19-2012, 01:00 PM

Hallelujah!!!

Now who do we sign to compliment Manning? A TE,RB, WR?

we are about 1 move away from being legitimate superbowl contenders. it would cost us our 1st rounder.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2009/NFL/weeklygallery/week17/s100103_steelerswallacepg-vertical.jpg

njx9

03-19-2012, 01:04 PM

meh.

on a sidenote, i'd humbly request that we not start acting like douchebags all over the forum. not that we have, but it would be nice to stay fairly classy.

Jimmy

03-19-2012, 01:05 PM

meh.

on a sidenote, i'd humbly request that we not start acting like douchebags all over the forum. not that we have, but it would be nice to stay fairly classy.

this. before we go out proclaiming ourselves 2012 afc west champs, lets realize that although we are now vegas favorites to win the division, manning is one poorly placed hit away from setting us back almost as far as Tim was setting us back.

but still. this is a huge day, njx.

1. we got rid of tebow, likely. how can you not be pumped about that?
2. when we get rid of him, we're going to draft young talent
3. we are instantly improved
4. we finally have an offense
5. it's going to attract other free agents
6. it cost us upwards of 100 million, but we still have tons of cap room to work

btw weeden is no longer an option, IMO. he'd be in line to start at the age of 32 or 33... he's more of a play-now guy.

Punisher

03-19-2012, 01:13 PM

meh.

on a sidenote, i'd humbly request that we not start acting like douchebags all over the forum. not that we have, but it would be nice to stay fairly classy.

Yes, I agree.

Anyone else annoyed by these bitter Chiefs fans now?

njx9

03-19-2012, 01:27 PM

but still. this is a huge day, njx.

so, so, so agree. i've been bouncing around all day.

1. we got rid of tebow, likely. how can you not be pumped about that?
2. when we get rid of him, we're going to draft young talent
3. we are instantly improved
4. we finally have an offense
5. it's going to attract other free agents
6. it cost us upwards of 100 million, but we still have tons of cap room to work

btw weeden is no longer an option, IMO. he'd be in line to start at the age of 32 or 33... he's more of a play-now guy.

yup. i'm still of the trade down, get a young guy to groom next year mindset, but i dunno if that would piss peyton off. all i know is we better have a competent back-up.

Cunningham

03-19-2012, 01:30 PM

**** YES!!!!! great day to be a broncos fan!!

well done, elway, well done

Timbathia

03-19-2012, 03:35 PM

It sure aint boring being a broncos fan these days. Every year something happens to top the drama from the previous year.

I am looking forward to seeing how we top this next offseason.

Diehard

03-19-2012, 03:40 PM

on a sidenote, i'd humbly request that we not start acting like douchebags all over the forum. not that we have, but it would be nice to stay fairly classy.

No problem. I'm happy to take the high road and just enjoy the moment.

Anyone else annoyed by these bitter Chiefs fans now?

I've noticed some of them are taking it rather hard. I guess the fact that Manning wouldn't give their team the time of day is a big part of it.

yup. i'm still of the trade down, get a young guy to groom next year mindset, but i dunno if that would piss peyton off. all i know is we better have a competent back-up.

I think they will take a flyer on someone later on. Having the opportunity to learn under Manning is a pretty good situation for a new QB. Cecil Lammey mentioned B.J. Coleman as a possibility.

OSUGiants17

03-19-2012, 03:44 PM

Here's your new desktop wallpaper
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/7764670/1024/Swaps/DEN-wallpaper-by-pasar3-d2xv324.png

Asshats!

HEISMANHERSCHEL

03-19-2012, 04:17 PM

I am sure you guys are stoked. I can't remember the last time a team replaced their starting QB that won a Playoff game the year before and actually upgraded it. Well done and congrats! Just about every team in the league is a little jealous now, but they won't admit it.

OSUGiants17

03-19-2012, 05:40 PM

O and BK made a Peyton sig in the sig request thread.

jCut

03-19-2012, 08:09 PM

on a sidenote, i'd humbly request that we not start acting like douchebags all over the forum. not that we have, but it would be nice to stay fairly classy.

I wouldn't worry about that. I feel like we are a smart, classy group of fans.

One thing I'm dreading is the mass admittance of washed-up former Colts. Ugh.

njx9

03-19-2012, 08:14 PM

Jimmy

03-19-2012, 08:58 PM

Debbie Ramirez ‏ @Mizprincesss Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@VicLombardi Just curious why is the Denver media not reporting how MOST Broncos fans are disappointed with Manning in Denver? BIAS MUCH?
Retweeted by Vic Lombardi

tebownation is ******* hilarious right now.

:lynched: :frog:

only thing i'd rather not read at this point- jemele hill column on the peyton manning signing being racist, cites tebow being black as proof

she's almost like the "aliens guy meme," except with racism. i think i have a meme idea...

Jimmy

03-19-2012, 09:47 PM

On another note, Wesley Woodyard just resigned for 2 years.

One of my favorite guys on the team. Glad to have him around some more.

njx9

03-19-2012, 10:02 PM

any thoughts on some of the mlbs left out there? i don't know anywhere near enough about any of them...

hopefully we can pick up trufant.

and i'd love to get stewart if we could get him for a 3rd or so.

Timbathia

03-19-2012, 10:56 PM

did Mclain sign anywhere yet? better than the idiot cannonball.

Rcee

03-19-2012, 11:23 PM

stephen tulloch is the best of 'em, but probably the most expensive. psure lofton is going to command a hefty contract as well.

i'd prefer to go with irving, but then again i was a big fan of his coming out and have no idea how the coaching staff feels about him.

and also not looking forward to stokley/tamme/clark signings that seem almost inevitable. i can put up with saturday though seeing as walton is pmuch awful.

njx9

03-19-2012, 11:29 PM

stokley's done. i wouldn't mind tamme; unless virgil/julius have made major strides, our te's suck. i don't think clark would make it out of camp.

and really, i think those are overblown rumors. wayne signed elsewhere, saturday is likely to sign elsewhere.

the decider13

03-20-2012, 12:25 AM

So since Tebow is done (most likely), who do you think EFX gets in the draft to sit on the bench?

I have a gut feeling on Kirk Cousins for no particular reason. I think he has the tools but he isn't ready to start right away. I'd rather have him than Foles or Ossweiller anyways, and he can probably be had somewhere in the 2-4 round range.

Who do you think we end up with?

did Mclain sign anywhere yet? better than the idiot cannonball.

Not that I know of. Last I heard, he was meeting with the Broncos a few days ago. I haven't heard of him linked to any other teams.

njx9

03-20-2012, 08:21 AM

stlouisfan37

03-20-2012, 12:06 PM

if peyton's 100% healthy, and he drops to the third, i think osweiler would be the guy i'd want, in spite of everything i've said about him. that's about where i'd value him, and having 2-3 years to sit behind peyton would do wonders for his lack of ability to do everything but throw hard. i think foles is mediocre. and cousins doesn't strike me as any more than a career back-up.

i also still want lamichael, even though he's no longer a perfect fit for the offense. i'll have to go back and pay attention to his receiving ability, since that's suddenly relevant.

LaMichael James is an excellent receiver out of the backfield. He almost certainly would have improved his stats in this area over 2010 had it not been for the emergence of DeAnthony Thomas. He is very fluid in catching the ball and turning upfield, and is at his best running in the open field on screens.

Jimmy

03-20-2012, 02:07 PM

broncos letting tracy porter in for a visit

:banana: :banana:

Diehard

03-20-2012, 09:07 PM

broncos letting tracy porter in for a visit

Xanders was on the radio saying there were 5 guys coming in tomorrow. Didn't say who, though Porter is clearly one of them. I hope Bunkley is another.

Jimmy

03-20-2012, 09:37 PM

Xanders was on the radio saying there were 5 guys coming in tomorrow. Didn't say who, though Porter is clearly one of them. I hope Bunkley is another.

atogwe, mcclain?

Diehard

03-20-2012, 10:21 PM

atogwe, mcclain?

Maybe. One of them is Jacob Tamme (TE, Colts):

http://twitter.com/#!/JasonLaCanfora/status/182289324602171392

njx9

03-20-2012, 10:27 PM

i'm still fairly ok with that one ex-colt.

agree on bunkley.

think porter is a #3 corner at this point. which is still a step up from goodman, i guess.

Timbathia

03-21-2012, 04:16 AM

Heard we are close with Bunkley. Hope true.

jCut

03-21-2012, 11:19 AM

Porter would be a great addition. And pretty sure our interest in LBs has fizzled after the Mays / Woodyard re-signings.

Diehard

03-21-2012, 11:58 AM

And pretty sure our interest in LBs has fizzled after the Mays / Woodyard re-signings.

Either Elway or Xanders ( can't remember which) mentioned this on the radio. Apparently the looming suspension to DJ was a concern, which is why they were quick to resign Mays and WW.

Punisher

03-21-2012, 12:03 PM

4th rounder for Tebow...sweet :)

Diehard

03-21-2012, 12:34 PM

4th rounder for Tebow...sweet :)

Flipping our 7th for a 6th was nice too.

I'm a little unclear on what picks we have now. I looks like:

1, 2, 3, 4 (Jets), 4, 5 (Rams), 5, 6

However, I believe we owe Cleveland a pick. Can it be the 6th we just acquired? It has a higher draft position than our original 6th.

Jimmy

03-21-2012, 12:36 PM

4th rounder for Tebow...sweet :)

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :drunkfall: :drunkfall: :drunkfall: :drunkfall: :drunkfall: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :ange: :ange: :ange: :boulay: :boulay: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :lol: :party: :party: :party: :party: :meuh: :meuh: :yipi: :yipi: :yipi: :he: :he: :he: :yes: :yes: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :loco: :loco: :frog: :frog: :frog: :frog: :smugdog: :frog: :frog:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18jmbLosc1rs9xdeo1_500.gif

Diehard

03-21-2012, 01:06 PM

Heard we are close with Bunkley. Hope true.

Unfortunately, no. He's a Saint.

Punisher

03-21-2012, 01:11 PM

Unfortunately, no. He's a Saint.

Good luck with no head coach Bunk :/

Jimmy

03-21-2012, 03:42 PM

http://rockrivertimes.com/wpapp/wp-content/uploads/Caleb_Hanie1.jpg

a bronco. :lynched:

Timbathia

03-21-2012, 03:42 PM

Unfortunately, no. He's a Saint.

Bad loss. Not good.

njx9

03-21-2012, 03:47 PM

don't care, traded tebow.

that's not entirely true, but for right this moment it is.

Diehard

03-21-2012, 04:21 PM

More FA action:

QB Caleb Hanie signed - new backup
DE/LB Cyril Obiozor signed - pass rusher for practice squad
CB Tracy Porter *not* signed - due to Saints mess w/ possible suspension
WR Andre Caldwell visiting today - potential #3
C Jeff Saturday - visiting tomorrow - starter
TE Mathew Mulligan visiting - blocker

jCut

03-21-2012, 08:43 PM

More FA action:

QB Caleb Hanie signed - new backup

Have not heard this.. You sure? I hope not.

Andre Caldwell has been signed.

njx9

03-21-2012, 08:48 PM

meh, hanie > quinn. it might be a small improvement, but it's an improvement.

jCut

03-21-2012, 09:10 PM

meh, hanie > quinn. it might be a small improvement, but it's an improvement.

I respectfully disagree. Hanie has shown he is not even capable of being a backup in this league. We never saw enough of Quinn to say the same.

njx9

03-21-2012, 09:14 PM

We never saw enough of Quinn to say the same.

that's not even remotely true, unless you didn't see him in cleveland or in the preseason. think whatever you want about hanie, brady quinn was the worst nfl quarterback i have ever seen in my life.

jCut

03-21-2012, 09:37 PM

that's not even remotely true, unless you didn't see him in cleveland or in the preseason. think whatever you want about hanie, brady quinn was the worst nfl quarterback i have ever seen in my life.

I saw him in the preseason and in Cleveland, but I never saw him take a regular season snap here. I saw plenty of Hanie last year, and he let the entire Bears organization down when they needed him most. Remember, he got replaced by Josh McCown, who was out of the league.

Diehard

03-21-2012, 09:56 PM

Have not heard this.. You sure? I hope not.

He was added to our roster on NFL.com when I checked earlier... but now they've taken him out again. Something fishy is going on here - false report by NFLN?

Diehard

03-21-2012, 09:56 PM

njx9

03-21-2012, 10:06 PM

I saw him in the preseason and in Cleveland, but I never saw him take a regular season snap here. I saw plenty of Hanie last year, and he let the entire Bears organization down when they needed him most. Remember, he got replaced by Josh McCown, who was out of the league.

i have no idea what that would've changed. he has no accuracy, he's terrified to play the position, he can't make a read. he can't even routinely complete dump offs and hitches. he's ******* terrible. there isn't actually a single thing he does well. if hanie can't hack it in the preseason, i have no doubt he'll be gone.

jCut

03-21-2012, 10:42 PM

i have no idea what that would've changed. he has no accuracy, he's terrified to play the position, he can't make a read. he can't even routinely complete dump offs and hitches. he's ******* terrible. there isn't actually a single thing he does well..

My exact thoughts on Hanie, actually. I was just giving Brady the benefit of the doubt.

Either way, we still need another legitimate QB to backup Manning. Hanie doesn't fit the bill.

Diehard

03-21-2012, 11:34 PM

Either way, we still need another legitimate QB to backup Manning. Hanie doesn't fit the bill.

I remember seeing something about Volek coming in for a visit. The double double of Josh Johnson and Dennis Dixon were also rumored to be of interest.

I'm pretty much convinced we'll draft someone to develop behind Manning. Throw in Weber and someone should be able to separate themselves from the pack in TC.

Diehard

03-21-2012, 11:37 PM

Andre Caldwell has been signed.

I hope we use him on the outside and shift Decker into the slot - that would seem to be the best configuration. He's also a decent blocker, which seems to be something the team values highly... so even with Manning, expect a heavy dose of the run game.

the decider13

03-22-2012, 10:21 PM

Tracy porter signed on a one year, 4 million dollar deal. I was hoping for a longer deal, but I guess this gives him a chance to show he can stay healthy.

https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/182996705233477632

njx9

03-22-2012, 10:22 PM

and ensure he's not suspended for the season.

Diehard

03-22-2012, 10:46 PM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/22/broncos-face-competition-for-mannings-former-teammates/?module=HP11_headline_stack

The Broncos have met with two of Peyton Manning‘s former teammates, TE Jacob Tamme and C Jeff Saturday, and have interest in signing both, league sources said. But other clubs are pursuing them hard as well.

The Seahawks are very intent on trying to land Tamme (the Seahawks appear in position to spend, having been unable to get a visit with RB Michael Bush, a player they had strong interest in, before he signed with Chicago on Thursday). Saturday had good visits with the Packers and the Titans — teams that are in need of a starting center — and is mulling all three options as of now, according to a league source.

I doubt we get into much of a bidding war.

njx9

03-22-2012, 10:48 PM

just let peyton call tamme, "dude, you can play with tavaris and flynn, or take a little less money and play with *me*. shouldn't be a tough choice. saturday? meh. whatever works."

Jimmy

03-23-2012, 09:01 AM

njx9

03-23-2012, 09:25 AM

Terrified at the prospect of drafting Zach Brown at 25. Dude fits the Fox LB mold spot on.

Closest thing to Thomas Davis since... Thomas Davis.

As I said on the 'Mane, he's basically everything Joe Mays isn't (and vice-versa), but he still fits the "Idiot Cannonball" moniker quite well. Be afraid, especially with DJ's suspension and Fox's recurring nightmares of not being able to handle Gronkowski.

ugh, i'd be upset. after watching his tape, i have absolutely no idea why zach brown is a possibility in the first 3 rounds (i mean, technically, yeah, i get the numbers and speed argument, but he's horrifically unsound as a football player). he was dj williams at MLB but somehow worse at diagnosing plays.

Jimmy

03-23-2012, 09:49 AM

Just signed Joel Dreessen. **** yeah. Eliminated another draft need. Eliminated the possibility of taking the washed up Dallas Clark.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKD5BZC4VY8/TL4-jWMjD4I/AAAAAAAAMhY/7h6emqUO-Tg/s1600/blog+103.jpg

njx9

03-23-2012, 09:57 AM

god. *******. dammit.

i hope we cut him on his birthday and he cries about it.

Diehard

03-23-2012, 10:01 AM

Just signed Joel Dreessen. **** yeah. Eliminated another draft need. Eliminated the possibility of taking the washed up Dallas Clark.

I'm not sure it eliminates Clark or Tamme... those guys are primary receivers while Dreessen has a more balanced game. Much will depend on how the Broncos feel about Julius Thomas.

ugh, i'd be upset. after watching his tape, i have absolutely no idea why zach brown is a possibility in the first 3 rounds (i mean, technically, yeah, i get the numbers and speed argument, but he's horrifically unsound as a football player). he was dj williams at MLB but somehow worse at diagnosing plays.

There are other fast, smaller LB's in the draft. Adding Mychal Kendricks or Lavonte David would provide more bang for the draft pick buck.

Jimmy

03-23-2012, 10:02 AM

god. *******. dammit.

i hope we cut him on his birthday and he cries about it.

njx no likey? why? he's also a long snapper so we can save $1 million and cut paxton

njx9

03-23-2012, 10:04 AM

no likey? why? he's also a long snapper so we can save $1 million and cut paxton

he's a piece of **** scumbag, just like the rest of fort morgan circa 1999/2000.

crossroads

03-23-2012, 10:07 AM

Terrified at the prospect of drafting Zach Brown at 25. Dude fits the Fox LB mold spot on.

Closest thing to Thomas Davis since... Thomas Davis.

As I said on the 'Mane, he's basically everything Joe Mays isn't (and vice-versa), but he still fits the "Idiot Cannonball" moniker quite well. Be afraid, especially with DJ's suspension and Fox's recurring nightmares of not being able to handle Gronkowski.

I'll be pretty surprised if they don't take a DT in the first round. Between Fox and Del Rio you have two guys who had their greatest success as coaches with guys like Kris Jenkins, Brentson Buckner, John Henderson and Marcus Stroud. These guys know the importance of D-lineman, and right now there's as close to nothing at defensive tackle on the Broncos roster as possible.

Jimmy

03-23-2012, 10:09 AM

he's a piece of **** scumbag, just like the rest of fort morgan circa 1999/2000.

There's clearly an anecdote behind this.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmon9iMOYA1qafrh6.jpg

njx9

03-23-2012, 10:17 AM

we played them in the state championship. they were shockingly classless. i hated their qb more, but i envision him as the guy in napoleon dynamite, so whatever. it's hard to articulate without sounding bitter just because we lost, but from the moment we got into town, i disliked everyone there (they gave us a locker room halfway across town at an elementary school, for instance, rather than the normal visiting team locker room at the field).

Jimmy

03-23-2012, 10:24 AM

i hated their qb more, but i envision him as the guy in napoleon dynamite, so whatever.

Uncle Rico? :evil_laugh:

7b8uE1kza-0

Diehard

03-23-2012, 11:51 AM

Jimmy

03-23-2012, 12:02 PM

Saturday went to Green Bay.

The Broncos seem to be focused on adding some veteran depth to stabilize positions where they have a lot of youth (WR, TE, secondary). I suspect the thinking was the same for C. The problem with losing out on Saturday is that there really aren't any appealing options left at this point, which leaves the draft. Konz at 25? Or just muddle through with Walton?

Walton isn't the one that's going to hold us back from going deep in the playoffs. It's going to be our inability to stop the run, if anything. Still think that's why we go DT/LB early on.