Denver Broncos Discussion

[3projectPAT6]

ya,ya, i know ive cooled down a little bit. Henry will be pretty productive, its just ive never really been impressed by him, out of buffalo he looked solid, looked decent in tennessee, and i know hes gonna be a productive broncos, i think im just upset because there is other prospects that could of been all-stars, like 1,700 yards 15+ TD's in our system.

I take it back... i over reacted.

[rcpbawler]

I am very content with the moves we've made this off-season. If Kearney comes at a decent price, and we draft OL and maybe second tier safety, we're set.

[njx9]

i'm glad we didn't go for willis, and, in the end, i'm glad we didn't pay kerney anything approaching what he signed for. but seriously. i'm down to trade or 1, 2 and one of our 3s to move up for okoye or branch now.

[3projectPAT6]

Mayock had described Branch as Boom or Bust just one too many times for me. That is the very last thing we need, another under achieving D-lineman. I would like to trade our picks to get better position in next years draft. I dont think we are gonna find anything worthwhile at 21, and i dont think its gonna be worth it to trade up into the top 10-15 range. Save picks, try to get into position to get one of the stud RB's next year and have a cutler, marshal, sheftler, and RB X combo that will give us a tremendous chance to win championships for the next 7 years.

[rcpbawler]

Yikes. Pretty happy we didn't sign Kearney with that kind of pay day.

I believe Branch is exactly what we need. I like Okoye as well, but I don't think he will contribute immediately like Branch will.

[njx9]

why on earth would we trade up NEXT year for a running back just so we can pay henry for the next four after that to sit on the bench? that makes less than no sense. if someone falls and can play second fiddle, i can see it, but we just gave him too big a contract to be a one year fill in.

i have no interest in trading for picks next year. this team can win in the next few years, and i'd honestly rather not see us put it off until lepsis has retired and we're set back another three years. get someone on that d-line now who can wreak havoc. this team is otherwise talented enough to do damage in the playoffs. a playmaking DT improves that in a way no other position on the team could (assuming we can't trade ernster's worthlessness for sauerbrun).

[elway777]

I hope if not first day, we get a guy like Dan Bauzin or Mkristo Bruce on the 2nd day of the draft. I am high on getting Okoye, the guy has great work ethic (unlike some of our current d-lineman) and he's balanced as a pass rusher and run stopper and hopefully available at 21.(which I highly doubt)

[broncofan4lyfe]

personally it felt to me that what we lacked most was a pass rushing player period. that seems to me the main reason why we had a tough time on defense last year. every qb we played against we constantly gave him too much time to throw. so i think that we should look at a defensive end before we look at a tackle. especially since we just traded for one in dan wilkinson(don't know much about him)...just my opinion but our d-line did a fair job at collapsing a pocket...

[jth1331]

I don't think our problem is really DE, but DT not getting pressure up the middle. Remember how many times our DE's would "get" to the QB, but he would just step up in the pocket and throw? Zero DT pressure, thats our biggest need. Certainly adding a stud DE would help out, but we also need someone who can help get a push up the middle from the DT spot.

[njx9]

our top three DE's all had something like 8.5-9.5 sacks. that's not bad. but our DTs NEVER ONCE got into the pocket or collapsed passing lanes. true, they played well against the run, but they just can't be that ineffective against the pass. wilkinson is also hardly "addressing the position".

[elway777]

NJX which is why Okoye would be a great pick, at this point he's raw and needs to get stronger for NFL Guards and centers but he's very quick and agile with a great first step unlike Branch(who is sliding down boards).

Also if we move to 6 like the rumor for Dre Bly intends, would you rather have Adams or Branch?

[njx9]

i've liked okoye since whenever he was still expected to be in our range, i absolutely agree.

i'd rather have branch. i just don't see how adding another DE to an already crowded rotation can really make the team significantly better in the same way a stud DT would (yes, i'm assuming neither player busts).

[Diehard]

I'd take Okoye at 6. Huge potential upside, and he's the disruptor / penetrator we lack right now. Big Daddy can throw his weight around on obvious running downs to give the kid some relief from the constant battering by mammoth OG's.

Branch is a close second. Bigger, tougher but not quite as explosive.

[njx9]

and i dig our rotation if we add one. with warren and wilkinson (and veal occasionally) we can keep guys fresher, which would be huge with a guy like okoye.

[elway777]

and i dig our rotation if we add one. with warren and wilkinson (and veal occasionally) we can keep guys fresher, which would be huge with a guy like okoye.


Well with Warren and Wilkinson we need depth, their not the most conditioned players. Okoye at this point may be that guy who could come in when either Dan or Warren need some air and also on 3rd downs with Dumervil.

NJX how do you feel about Sabby Pisscettelli(sp?)?

[njx9]

don't know anything about him... i'd rather use our second on weddle at this point, but that's not really based on anything.

[jth1331]

The more I think about it, if we trade up to 6, I'd rather take Landry or Adams, maybe Anderson. I'm not impressed with Branch or Okoye really, and neither will contribute much their rookie year anyways. I think we could do well picking up a DT in rounds 2 and 3.

[elway777]

The more I think about it, if we trade up to 6, I'd rather take Landry or Adams, maybe Anderson. I'm not impressed with Branch or Okoye really, and neither will contribute much their rookie year anyways. I think we could do well picking up a DT in rounds 2 and 3.


The real question is if AD falls to 6, do we HAVE to take him?

[Diehard]

The real question is if AD falls to 6, do we HAVE to take him?

Interesting... I think it would be awfully hard for Shanny to resist. A potential franchise back doesn't come along every day... and the way the team is improving right now, we're going to be picking in the lower half of the draft order for the forseeable future.

However, in terms of value, I still think you could go defense.

[A4Qxxx]

If we trade up and can get Carriker or Adams, take them and look at McBean or Marcus Thomas in the 2nd.

If we can't get one of those stud DE's but have still traded up, we should almost certainly get Okoye.

However, I will be very happy if we stay where we are and take Demarcus Tyler. (See other stud DT with Tank as nickname... 2nd rounder for the Bears, despite his legal issues, a stud of a player! And Demarcus will be as well)

Actually, if I am playing GM, I am trading the whiney Bly right now for a high second. Packaging my first and a few third round picks and moving up to get Carriker in the first. Taking my high second I get for Bly and getting Demarcus Tyler. Two stud defensive lineman who get instant pressure on the QB is more valuable then ANY CB. And while Bly is better then Foxworth... Bly is not better in covering for 4 seconds then Foxworth is in covering for 3 seconds!

[Diehard]

The more I think about it, if we trade up to 6, I'd rather take Landry or Adams, maybe Anderson. I'm not impressed with Branch or Okoye really, and neither will contribute much their rookie year anyways. I think we could do well picking up a DT in rounds 2 and 3.

If you don't want one of the top tier DTs or a RBs, then there's very little reason to pay the price to trade up to 6. If you want a pass rush DE or safety, I suspect there will be a solid prospect available at 21.

[Diehard]

However, I will be very happy if we stay where we are and take Demarcus Tyler. (See other stud DT with Tank as nickname... 2nd rounder for the Bears, despite his legal issues, a stud of a player! And Demarcus will be as well)

Hell, we could probably trade down and still get Tank Tyler at the end of the first / top of the second. Perhaps a swap with Detroit or Cleveland to give them multiple first rounders.

[A4Qxxx]

I would be a fan of trading up for Okoye at DT.
But if we trade up and get Adams or Carriker, terrific! They are far better then any DE's we will land at 21.

I don't know how it can be done yet... (trading Bly to get one of those DE's and one of the top two DT's)

But this is my wish list, one of each:
DE-
Adams
Carriker

DT-
Okoye
Tank Tyler
Ryan McBean
Marcus Thomas

I do not believe any other DE on the board will be able to play from day one. (Well Anderson will, but not a big fan). But I do believe any of those four DT's will out perform Wilkinson and Veal to start immediately. Therefore, trade up for a DE, and get one of those 4 - DT later.

[Jimmy]

This is why our Front Office Pisses me off. We go out and spend 30 Million on a Tight end who wont catch more than 40-50 passes. And thats asking a lot compared to his previous numbers. Basicly we spent the money on a blocking TE. Might as well spend 5 Million on a Long Snapper. And why would we do this? Scheffler might loose his starting job, and if he does, there goes a TE that could have been and was on his way to being great. And If scheffler wins, well... ****.. We're paying our Backup Tight-end 6 Million dollars a year. This might be one of the dumbest moves from a financial standpoint. I would have rather seen us blow the money on kerney and give him 8 million a year over 4 years or something. We needed to adress WR, OL, and DL, and we get some washed up 34 year old DT and Montrae Dutchland.

Things could be worse. We got Travis Henry and we're not Oakland.
Still

[njx9]

i still don't understand moving up for a DE. someone explain to me how any of our ***** pass rush was the fault of ekuban (7 sacks), lang (6 sacks) or dumervil (8.5 sacks) in a decent rotation and that it had nothing to do with a somehow "solid" combination of an underachieving gerard warren, demetrin veal, michael myers and whatever other garbage we put on the interior of our line. fine, you don't like okoye or branch. then don't advocate addressing a position that doesn't really need significant work.

i mean, let's be honest. neither branch nor okoy can beat out demetrin fricking veal, but you expect adam carriker to instantly beat out ekuban, lang AND be a better rush specialist than dumervil was? i don't get it.

[A4Qxxx]

NJX, you sound angry.

I never said Okoye and Branch won't beat out Veal and Wilkinson... they would, but so will any DT taken in the second or third round!

However, Lang and Ekuban are garbage. I never recall them putting a OT on his @$$ or speed rushing around the edge and getting to the QB before he can get to his third step. Maybe half of those lofty sack totals (1 every other game) is a coverage sack? Where Champ and Darrent had things locked down and it allowed Lang or Ekuban the 5 seconds they needed to tire an OT out with their patty cake games.
They are garbage!

And after the top three DE's most are garbage as well. That is why I say you take an Blue Chip DE early and not DT.

Drafting an "A" - DE in the first and a "B" - DT in the second makes a hell of a lot more sense to me then an "A"- DT in the first and a "C" - DE in the second.

Carriker and Tyler doesn't sound better then Okoye and Spencer?

[njx9]

no, they don't, not when DT is by far the bigger need. the fact that my dog could play DT on this team should be demonstration enough. we need a great player at the position, not a barely above average one, and moreso because we already have a great edge rusher. i don't see any point in drafting another guy to play on 3rd downs (as our DEs are currently very good against the run, they just need to get inside support against the pass).

[Diehard]

double post...

[Diehard]

If we keep our picks, there's no way in hell Tyler's going to be around for us to pick in the second round... he's out of the picture unless we take him at 21.

I agree with njx9, interior pass rush is the missing piece of the puzzle. Mind you, Carriker could provide that as he's big/strong enough to the DT spot on passing downs.

If I was Shanny, I'd go DT (or in Carriker's case, DT/DE) with my first two picks... a pair of young bulls to anchor the line for the next decade. Also lets the team dump Veal & Burton, which can only be a good thing.

[diabsoule]

Don't know if this has been reported yet or not but:

QB Patrick Ramsey signed with the Broncos.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258

[njx9]

If we keep our picks, there's no way in hell Tyler's going to be around for us to pick in the second round... he's out of the picture unless we take him at 21.

I agree with njx9, interior pass rush is the missing piece of the puzzle. Mind you, Carriker could provide that as he's big/strong enough to the DT spot on passing downs.

If I was Shanny, I'd go DT (or in Carriker's case, DT/DE) with my first two picks... a pair of young bulls to anchor the line for the next decade. Also lets the team dump Veal & Burton, which can only be a good thing.

you must spread some reputation around before giving it to diehard again.

absolutely. i don't mean to rail against carriker personally, as i think with some work he could absolutely fill the DT role and potentially be a part of the DE rotation, as much as i'd rail against the choice simply to have another DE who won't be able to produce properly.

[A4Qxxx]

Well then that's just it, we disagree with our biggest need is.

I will give Warren the benefit of the doubt that last year was really because of his toes and he can perform again this year like 2005. I believe we can find a very serviceable DT to pair with him in the second round and be solid at DT.

Where you think our huge group of DE's are serviceable, and I think they are garbage!

Clearly our DL is the biggest need all together, but I feel with Warren in the middle DT is a D- and DE's are an F.

[njx9]

yeah, demetrin veal is a much better option than kenard lang. michael myers was far better at pressuring the quarterback than elvis dumervil. i don't get the logic at all and you haven't said anything other than "it's my opinion" to back that up. that's fine if that's all it is, but i believe i originally wanted to know WHY people think our DEs need so much more work.

[mattrob]

yeah, demetrin veal is a much better option than kenard lang. michael myers was far better at pressuring the quarterback than elvis dumervil. i don't get the logic at all and you haven't said anything other than "it's my opinion" to back that up. that's fine if that's all it is, but i believe i originally wanted to know WHY people think our DEs need so much more work.

I can't speak for A4Qxxx, but to me it just comes down to the talent available. I don't like Branch at all as a prospect. He's big, but i just didn't see anything that impressed me when I watched him, though I'll admit that wasn't often. Okoye would be fine, but I'm not sure he really fits what Denver's trying to do under Bates. Anderson and Adams both seem to be potential difference-makers at DE and we could still get someone like Tank Tyler (who I think will be as effective a pro as Branch) or Marcus Thomas later in the draft.

[njx9]

fair enough. i tend to disagree (obviously) for similar reasons. i don't see our DEs as having been the problem. meanwhile, at no point have our DTs produced (even when he was healthy, warren wasn't much more than a big guy in the middle with no effect whatsoever on the pass rush).

i also see absolutely nothing in tyler that makes me think he's at the same level as branch or okoye (although again, a troop of girl scouts would likely make our DTs better at this point) and i certainly don't see it in a character failure like thomas. there are a few second tier guys who intrigue me (mcbean), but we need a stud at the spot, not another role player.

so i can agree to disagree with anyone who thinks that branch and okoye are NOT potential studs (though i'm still curious why), but i absolutely can't agree with anyone who thinks DE is the bigger need.

[Jimmy]

i heard the broncos are looking at antonio bryant... thoughts?

the way i see it, as long as he doesnt make any more than 2.5 a year, its cool

[Jimmy]

mind you from a very unreliable source

[njx9]

if he makes more than 1 a year i'll be annoyed. i just don't see him significantly improving the team in any way.

[Jimmy]

if he makes more than 1 a year i'll be annoyed. i just don't see him significantly improving the team in any way.

you know, i am pretty sure you already know, but the words patrick ramsey and 2.5 dont belong in the same sentence.

i think thats worse then giving bryant that type of money.

[Jimmy]

still, neither should make that much...

[njx9]

i think it's hideous, but we at least desperately needed a back-up QB. we don't desperately need a #3/#4 receiver (i'm assuming marshall keeps impressing and smith backs him up and plays 3rd down receiver).

[elway777]

I bet the contract for Bryant will look insane, adding in his charachter and consistency concerns I would pass.

[Jimmy]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5390616

Welp... Wilkinson might play Snake and retire. W/e dont really want him

and oh yeah Bates likes tall DE's playing, so expect elvis dumervil to get LOADS of time

[elway777]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5390616

Welp... Wilkinson might play Snake and retire. W/e dont really want him

and oh yeah Bates likes tall DE's playing, so expect elvis dumervil to get LOADS of time


Nice way to waste a 6th rounder. ha

[Jimmy]

Nice way to waste a 6th rounder. ha

o we wuld get the pick back

[elway777]

o we wuld get the pick back


Alright guess I should of read the article.

[mattrob]

fair enough. i tend to disagree (obviously) for similar reasons. i don't see our DEs as having been the problem. meanwhile, at no point have our DTs produced (even when he was healthy, warren wasn't much more than a big guy in the middle with no effect whatsoever on the pass rush).

i also see absolutely nothing in tyler that makes me think he's at the same level as branch or okoye (although again, a troop of girl scouts would likely make our DTs better at this point) and i certainly don't see it in a character failure like thomas. there are a few second tier guys who intrigue me (mcbean), but we need a stud at the spot, not another role player.

so i can agree to disagree with anyone who thinks that branch and okoye are NOT potential studs (though i'm still curious why), but i absolutely can't agree with anyone who thinks DE is the bigger need.

I'm not saying Okoye isn't going to be a very good pro, but he would excel in a scheme using quicker, attacking DT's. Bates prefers bigger DT's who will tie up the interior lineman and I just don't see that as a strength of Okoye. He could thrive elsewhere, though. As for Branch, I didn't watch a lot of him this past season, but what I did see didn't impress me. In the OSU game in particular, he spent a lot of time on the ground and didn't get much push. At 21, he's a nice pickup. In the top-10, I think he's a huge risk.

[njx9]

maybe my problem then is in not seeing bates scheme yet. but in all honesty, i haven't noticed a huge amount of difference in the last three DC's schemes (at least, in terms of our ability to pressure the QB ever), so I'm not sure there will be one now. and in pretty much all of the last three, the biggest problem has been our utter lack of anything with any vague measure of talent at DT (well, that and letting go of talented DEs).

if we draft a DE, i'll still be ecstatic that we're actually addressing the defensive line.

[M]

Everyone has agreed on the fact that we will be taking either a DE or DT with our 1st round pick.

Shanahan seldom ever does with his first round pick, what we think he will do so, where does he go with the pick? Personally, I still think he does something unconventional like Safety (Reggie Nelson (S, FL)), or Offensive Line (Levi Brown (OT, PS)), or LB (Lawrence Timmons (LB, FSU) or Patrick Willis (LB, OlMs)) (Lynch will be gone so do not expect a RB) if any of these players fall to us. Do not put him trading down either if the option presents itself.

I am just saying, now that you are all sleeping well at night thinking Shanahan will take a DL, think again.

[mattrob]

maybe my problem then is in not seeing bates scheme yet. but in all honesty, i haven't noticed a huge amount of difference in the last three DC's schemes (at least, in terms of our ability to pressure the QB ever), so I'm not sure there will be one now. and in pretty much all of the last three, the biggest problem has been our utter lack of anything with any vague measure of talent at DT (well, that and letting go of talented DEs).

if we draft a DE, i'll still be ecstatic that we're actually addressing the defensive line.

And I'd be happy picking up a DT early as well. It's past time we addressed the D-Line and I think we'll get 2 on Day One this year, hopefully they turn into something. Also, I read on another board we're bringing in Ian Scott for a visit. He's not the massive run-stuffer I'd like, but he's young and would fit nicely in a rotation.

[mattrob]

Everyone has agreed on the fact that we will be taking either a DE or DT with our 1st round pick.

Shanahan seldom ever does with his first round pick, what we think he will do so, where does he go with the pick? Personally, I still think he does something unconventional like Safety (Reggie Nelson (S, FL)), or Offensive Line (Levi Brown (OT, PS)), or LB (Lawrence Timmons (LB, FSU) or Patrick Willis (LB, OlMs)) (Lynch will be gone so do not expect a RB) if any of these players fall to us. Do not put him trading down either if the option presents itself.

I am just saying, now that you are all sleeping well at night thinking Shanahan will take a DL, think again.

Actually, we've all agreed we WANT a DL in the 1st, but I tend to think we'll go elsewhere, then use a 2nd and 3rd on the line, unless Carriker somehow falls or we move up. I think any of the players you mentioned (with the exception of Timmons) are possiblities, as well as Meacham, Ginn or Bowe at WR. We may move out of round 1 altogether and try to stockpile future picks if there's a good offer out there, too.

[njx9]

Everyone has agreed on the fact that we will be taking either a DE or DT with our 1st round pick.

Shanahan seldom ever does with his first round pick, what we think he will do so, where does he go with the pick? Personally, I still think he does something unconventional like Safety (Reggie Nelson (S, FL)), or Offensive Line (Levi Brown (OT, PS)), or LB (Lawrence Timmons (LB, FSU) or Patrick Willis (LB, OlMs)) (Lynch will be gone so do not expect a RB) if any of these players fall to us. Do not put him trading down either if the option presents itself.

I am just saying, now that you are all sleeping well at night thinking Shanahan will take a DL, think again.

i will have more or less the same reaction to drafting a LB that i would to drafting ted ginn. except that ginn would actually fill a need. unless this means we're going to get rid of ian gold? (yes, i know about the al wilson trade rumors. i don't give them much credence, and regardless, this is wishful thinking.)

[Diehard]

I don't think taking either OL or a S in the first round would count as "unconventional", as they would both address needs. A lot will depend on the DL situation when Denver picks, if there is much better value at OL or S, expect Shanny to go for it.

LB, on the other hand, would be very unexpected... and given the present situation, undesirable. I don't see that happening unless we trade one of our veterans away for additional picks (rather than moving up).

[bennybee38]

i know this isnt the team mock thread but who cares. honestly.heres my denver mock...just wanna know what you guys think

1ST ROUND - defensive end - Victor Abiamiri
2ND ROUND - offensive tackle - James Marten
3RD ROUND - defensive tackle - Ola Dagunduro
3RD ROUND - safety - Josh Gattis
4TH ROUND - offensive guard - Andy Alleman
5TH ROUND - defensive end - Baraka Atkins
6TH ROUND - cornerback - Marquice Cole
7TH ROUND - defensive tackle - Clifton Ryan

[Diehard]

The focus on OL & DL is the right direction, but I can't say I'd be happy with this draft. 2 & 3a are major reaches. In general, it seems like a low talent level across the board. A tweener guy like Atkins doesn't really fit Bates' system (not big enough for DT, nor a good enough rusher for DE). Draft is pretty deep at S - seems like we could get a better one that Gattis in the 3rd.

i know this isnt the team mock thread but who cares. honestly.heres my denver mock...just wanna know what you guys think

1ST ROUND - defensive end - Victor Abiamiri
2ND ROUND - offensive tackle - James Marten
3RD ROUND - defensive tackle - Ola Dagunduro
3RD ROUND - safety - Josh Gattis
4TH ROUND - offensive guard - Andy Alleman
5TH ROUND - defensive end - Baraka Atkins
6TH ROUND - cornerback - Marquice Cole
7TH ROUND - defensive tackle - Clifton Ryan

[bennybee38]

A tweener guy like Atkins doesn't really fit Bates' system (not big enough for DT, nor a good enough rusher for DE).

all im saying is Atkins is bigger and faster than Kenard Land and Ebenzer Ekuban. His passrush is probably just as good as Ekubans

[njx9]

i'm not sure just as good really buys us anything, especially because we have a pretty decent DE rotation. if we're just looking for an "as good" situation, i think we'd go with DT, as we need bodies on the rotation.

[A4Qxxx]

Option A:
1st – Adam Carriker - DE
2nd – Demarcus Tyler - DT
3a – Ryan McBean - DT
3b – Aaron Rouse – S
4th – Steve Smith – WR
5th – Kasey Studdard - OG
6th – Mike Otto - OT
7th – Ramzee Robinson – CB

Option B:
1st – Amobi Akoye - DT
2nd – Demarcus Tyler - DT
3a – Tim Crowder - DE
3b – Aaron Rouse – S
4th – Steve Smith – WR
5th – Kasey Studdard - OG
6th – Mike Otto - OT
7th – Ramzee Robinson - CB

[bennybee38]

well Scott has the Broncos getting Spencer, Marten, Piscitelli, and Thomas in 3 rounds..I like the Marten and Spencer pick but instead of Piscitelli and Thomas..I think Brandon Mebane and then John Wendling are better picks.

[mattrob]

Option A:
1st – Adam Carriker - DE
2nd – Demarcus Tyler - DT
3a – Ryan McBean - DT
3b – Aaron Rouse – S
4th – Steve Smith – WR
5th – Kasey Studdard - OG
6th – Mike Otto - OT
7th – Ramzee Robinson – CB

Option B:
1st – Amobi Akoye - DT
2nd – Demarcus Tyler - DT
3a – Tim Crowder - DE
3b – Aaron Rouse – S
4th – Steve Smith – WR
5th – Kasey Studdard - OG
6th – Mike Otto - OT
7th – Ramzee Robinson - CB

Carriker and Okoye will be long gone before we pick and we don't have a 4th or a 5th this year.

[elway777]

well Scott has the Broncos getting Spencer, Marten, Piscitelli, and Thomas in 3 rounds..I like the Marten and Spencer pick but instead of Piscitelli and Thomas..I think Brandon Mebane and then John Wendling are better picks.

Mebane maybe, but Piscetelli is a great player. He's alot like John Wendling but I like his potential more.

[Diehard]

Thomas > Mebane in terms of potential, but there are crushing character issues that make Thomas a very risky pick.

I'd be happy with either Wendling or Piscitelli. Both are big, smart players who work hard and have the right amount of nastiness. Lynch would be a great example / teacher for both these guys, which would help the transition at S that is going to happen as Lynch's career winds down.

[Jimmy]

http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=829616

were going to draft gary russell?
i think there is a STRONG possibility, after all

1. minnesota runs the ZBS
2. shanahan will talk to brewster and brewster will give him the word, because brewster has connections with guys who coached russell
3. we have wanted to draft HB'S (maroney) and have drafted linemen (eslinger) who run the ZBS
4. russell was an up and comer when he played
russell will fall into our laps in the 7th, hell we may reach towards his direction in the 6th
5. we drafted clarrett after he ran what he did (so dont give me crap, anything can happen)

[Diehard]

I certainly wouldn't put it past Shanny to fish for a late round RB prospect. However, there are a lot of guys I'd look at before Russell. More than anyone, he needed to stay focused on football and make a good showing for the scouts. Instead, he got way out of shape and looked bad. Not a great sign if you ask me.

[smittyjs]

Marcus Nash what was his deal, just a plain bust or why did he fail?? Sorry for being ramdom....LOL

[jag]

So with all the moves you guys have made in FA to improve the Offense, is it safe to say the first day of your daft will be Dline/Oline with all of your picks? Or are there still some other major needs elsewhere?

[Diehard]

So with all the moves you guys have made in FA to improve the Offense, is it safe to say the first day of your daft will be Dline/Oline with all of your picks? Or are there still some other major needs elsewhere?

The lines better be the priority, or there's going to be a rebellion in Broncoland...

Safety is another area that might get addressed. Lynch can't last forever (or can he?) and we don't have a lot of depth. If Denver sits at 21, that may be the best value available (Nelson, Griffin, Meriweather).

[njx9]

Marcus Nash what was his deal, just a plain bust or why did he fail?? Sorry for being ramdom....LOL

lack of talent was the biggest issue.

[njx9]

i also am starting to strongly believe, however disgusted it makes me, that we will not be picking in the first round this year. we should be right up against the cap, and i just can't see us being able to sign a high end rookie and i don't see the value at any positions of need if we stand pat.

[Jimmy]

Marcus Nash what was his deal, just a plain bust or why did he fail?? Sorry for being ramdom....LOL

idk, but it sure wasn't talent, he is one of Arena Football leagues top 10 recievers in every single category practically

http://www.arenafootball.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19831&SPID=1551&DB_OEM_ID=3500&ATCLID=96443

[smittyjs]

idk, but it sure wasn't talent, he is one of Arena Football leagues top 10 recievers in every single category practically

http://www.arenafootball.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19831&SPID=1551&DB_OEM_ID=3500&ATCLID=96443He an Thanks for the info jimmy and and nxj9.

[M]

I could easily see us trading out of the first round this year for "future picks." I would not be upset because unlike most I think our biggest concern is S over the DL. Lynch is a liability, DL is comptent but not a liability. My opinon that others disagree with.

Do not be suprised if Bly is on the block and traded prior to the draft.

[Chris]

i also am starting to strongly believe, however disgusted it makes me, that we will not be picking in the first round this year. we should be right up against the cap, and i just can't see us being able to sign a high end rookie and i don't see the value at any positions of need if we stand pat.

Haven't been around much these days and rarely came on, but this post just made me chuckle.

Broncos fans year in and year out keep on talking about the cap and how they cannot afford certain players. Look, the Denver Broncos have brought in what, around ten free agents this off-season in to compete. Travis Henry and Daniel Graham alone cost upwards of around 50 million dollars over the course of their careers. Add into that, Dre' Bly - who has a five million dollar cap figure and Patrick Ramsey who will be making a couple million each year as a back-up, the other guys each got signed to contracts around a million dollars each. If Denver wants to do something, they'll go after it.

The salary of someone at #21 will probably be what, a five year deal - five million dollar signing bonus and maybe 7 to 8 million dollars in base salary around that. I'd probably say it'd max out at fifteen million dollars. The only reason Denver won't draft in the first is if they opt to spin out if they feel that no impact pass rusher has value at #21 or a secondary option they have is not there. Trading out of the first-round actually isn't a bad idea, but by no means is it for financial reasons.

The Broncos have been in talks (not just rumors, it's actually true) with Washington and Detroit for their respective picks. Granted, that dumping Bly would save money on our cap and getting rid of Wilson if he were to go to Detroit would save money too. If Denver wants something, they'll take it. It's time that Denver fans stop worrying about the cap and all that jargon, a year or two from now - all the dead money will be gone. Even with the contracts signed this year, Denver is still poised to have MORE money next year to play around with.

[Chris]

I could easily see us trading out of the first round this year for "future picks." I would not be upset because unlike most I think our biggest concern is S over the DL. Lynch is a liability, DL is comptent but not a liability. My opinon that others disagree with.

Do not be suprised if Bly is on the block and traded prior to the draft.

The Broncos were considering safety last year in the first-round, and they had no idea that Jay Cutler would fall to them. As it turns out, it was revealed that Shanahan loved Donte Whitner and it was his back-up to Maroney at fifteen had a deal not happened which gave us Jay Cutler. So I think you're right that safety is a huge need, but whether or not it's bigger than defensive line is questionable.

A few sources have revealed that the Broncos have bought extensive film on defensive lineman, offensive tackles and defensive backs - in particular safeties. It's pretty clear where Denver is going to go on draft day, but WHEN they're going to select those options is completely up in the air.

I could see Denver taking a kid like Michael Griffin at #21. They could possible move up and take Reggie Nelson. What Denver needs, in Bates' defense - is a pure ball-hawk to manage deep halves of the field in case the corners get beat in man-to-man. Griffin can play either spot in the NFL. There is also value in the second and third rounds at this position as well, so maybe we don't have to pull the trigger right there in the first.

Griffin is a high priority pick for the Broncos. He's a great leader, a special teams ace and is solid in run support and pretty good in coverage. He fits all the criteria the Broncos look for when making a selection and would be a damn good one.

It's still true that Bly could be traded, but the team will have to compensate accordingly. Washington doesn't have the second-round or other round picks of interest to do a deal just straight up, so the likely event (which is unlikely, but the most likely of events for Bly to be traded) is a Denver move to #6, which would include at least #21, #56 and Bly - and probably a future third-rounder or so.

All that aside, the Broncos will be looking to upgrade the aforementioned positions on draft day. I still say, don't sleep on receiver, because the signings of Stokley, etc. are just insurance in case Rod can't recover full-time. Denver needs younger guys for the future, and if the value is there - I'd expect Shanahan to take it.

[Chris]

Brewster wouldn't have any knowledge of Russell being at Minnesota since he just got there and since he wasn't on the team, there are probably only a few coaches left or players that have something to say about him, and in the unlikely event that they got quality information, I'm sure most would be actually negative regarding a player who couldn't make the field because of academic problems.

Russell is not Maurice Clarett, but the Broncos don't need to even take another risk. I was speechless when Marion Barber III, was there at #101 (compensatory third-rounder) and we passed on him. Look at him now. Just another draft blunder by Shanahan.

What this could help the Broncos with are guys like Amir Pinnix and Ernie Wheelwright, who are elligible for the draft next year (I'm positive they are both seniors) and could be selections for the Broncos as late-day one or middle-round prospects. The Broncos Coaching Tree under Shanahan keeps getting bigger, and it certainly helps.

[njx9]

idk, but it sure wasn't talent, he is one of Arena Football leagues top 10 recievers in every single category practically

http://www.arenafootball.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19831&SPID=1551&DB_OEM_ID=3500&ATCLID=96443

being good in the afl means absoltuely nothing in terms of nfl caliber talent, i didn't think that would've needed mentioning.

[njx9]

Haven't been around much these days and rarely came on, but this post just made me chuckle.

Broncos fans year in and year out keep on talking about the cap and how they cannot afford certain players. Look, the Denver Broncos have brought in what, around ten free agents this off-season in to compete. Travis Henry and Daniel Graham alone cost upwards of around 50 million dollars over the course of their careers. Add into that, Dre' Bly - who has a five million dollar cap figure and Patrick Ramsey who will be making a couple million each year as a back-up, the other guys each got signed to contracts around a million dollars each. If Denver wants to do something, they'll go after it.

The salary of someone at #21 will probably be what, a five year deal - five million dollar signing bonus and maybe 7 to 8 million dollars in base salary around that. I'd probably say it'd max out at fifteen million dollars. The only reason Denver won't draft in the first is if they opt to spin out if they feel that no impact pass rusher has value at #21 or a secondary option they have is not there. Trading out of the first-round actually isn't a bad idea, but by no means is it for financial reasons.

The Broncos have been in talks (not just rumors, it's actually true) with Washington and Detroit for their respective picks. Granted, that dumping Bly would save money on our cap and getting rid of Wilson if he were to go to Detroit would save money too. If Denver wants something, they'll take it. It's time that Denver fans stop worrying about the cap and all that jargon, a year or two from now - all the dead money will be gone. Even with the contracts signed this year, Denver is still poised to have MORE money next year to play around with.

bear in mind that i was talking about a move up with regards to the cap. if we stay at 21, i don't see a problem (for the reasons you mentioned), but if it were just a pick for pick deal to move up the board, i have a hard time believing we can give anyone enough guaranteed money without heavily backloading the contract, something i'm not sure a lot of the guys (or, more importantly, their agents) would be excited to do. regardless, i still see a trade down as the most likely possibility.

[Number 10]

Looks like the Giants are looking to acquire Al Wilson and the talks between the 2 teams are heating up.

What do you think Shanny is interested in for Wilson?

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Looks like the Giants are looking to acquire Al Wilson and the talks between the 2 teams are heating up.

What do you think Shanny is interested in for Wilson?


Well I really hope we don't trade him. He's one of the big leaders of our defense. But if we did trade him, I'd say:

Time machine
Rights to Lawrence Taylor


That would do it for me.

[scottyboy]

haha yea please, if we had that time machine, im not so sure we'd be trading it away lol we could sure use LT ourselves

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

haha yea please, if we had that time machine, im not so sure we'd be trading it away lol we could sure use LT ourselves

http://www.seinfeld-fan.net/pictures/episodes/the_soup_nazi/the_soup_nazi017.jpg

NO AL WILSON FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!

[njx9]

anyone want to make some sort of wager that we will not address the DL until at least round 5? i know we don't have a pick currently in that round.

[Jimmy]

idk, but it sure wasn't talent, he is one of Arena Football leagues top 10 recievers in every single category practically

being good in the afl means absoltuely nothing in terms of nfl caliber talent, i didn't think that would've needed mentioning.

well, i never said he had nfl caliber talent.. did i? quote me.. and second did say he had talent... dont get me wrong, he sucked, but he Was a first round draft pick and a star at Tennessee... that requires some talent...
and "i didn't think that would've needed mentioning."

i mean its the equivalent of saying ryan leaf had no talent, or maybe more closely compared, charles rogers. Just because their game didn't translate into the pro level doesn't mean they lack talent. Their ethic may have been bad, they may have not had intangibles, but i think talent is out of the question. they were college stars. Marcus just didnt have what others had which is drive to be a great nfl player.

[njx9]

i don't buy that. he was AWFUL in denver, displaying absolutely nothing that would've led a casual observer to believe we'd waste a first round pick on him. he played in 7 total NFL games, recording a jaw-dropping 4 catches for 79 yards. that's it. ryan leaf was by FAR a better QB in comparison. charles rogers actually produced his rookie year before being injured. marcus never played in the nfl again.

[Diehard]

anyone want to make some sort of wager that we will not address the DL until at least round 5? i know we don't have a pick currently in that round.

I would laugh at this... but it has that all-too-close-to-the-truth ring to it that leaves me feeling uneasy. Shanny has tried to get by with a second-rate (third? fourth?) DL for a long time... is there any reason to believe he'll change his evil ways this time around?

If Wilson is gone, I suspect Shanny will be looking for a strong side linebacker on day 1... perhaps even round 1 (Timmons?). That would certainly be more in character for him, as he seems to value LBs. Defensive back or receiver in round 2 wouldn't be shocking either, so it could be in the 3rd before DL is even considered.

[njx9]

i'm honestly starting to resign myself to the fact that our first round pick will be ginn, timmons, beason or posluszny. timmons seems the most likely based on past drafting, but none of the four would really surprise me.

and i tend to agree that WR seems most likely in round 2, as i don't buy S (i don't think we address the position this year) and i don't buy CB (assuming, of course, we get stuck with bly).

the third seems like the first chance, but i just don't see it. i dunno, pessimism or whatever, but there are still enough depth spots we need that i can see him passing on the position yet again.

it just makes me wonder if he knows that the last time we won a super bowl, it was in part because our defensive line was actually talented.

[elway777]

NJX, outside of the first round, what positions do you see us addressing on day one?

[njx9]

WR seems sadly likely (although the stokley signing could mitigate that as a day one need in shanny's mind). LB, depending on the direction we go with wilson. CB/S seem vaguely likely, though i buy cornerback much more if indeed foxy stays at S. hopefully LT is on the radar, though i think it would take a serious steal.

and again, take anything i say with a grain of salt. i base this on no information other than the vague, undefined "trends" i've seen in denver drafting recently. i'm sure chris sans cutler, from posting at orange mane, has some actual sourced material someplace that might help point people in another direction, but i tend to not listen to anything out of denver camp concerning the draft.

[M]

UFA - when can they actually contact them to offer a position as a UFA if they do not get drafted? Does anyone know the rules on this or is it prohibited until after the draft to make this offer?

Romance Taylor (PR and practice squad RB)


Melvin Bullitt, S, Texas A&M (6-1¾, 201 pounds)
Key numbers: 4.48 40-yard dash, 40½-inch vertical jump, 3.97 short shuttle, 10-5 broad jump
Look at the SS time

[M]

Slow times on the draft front apparently!

[M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2824469

Apparently NE can match in next 7 days however terms are not release, and no details if a poision pill contained in language.

[njx9]

god, i'd love to get sauerbrun back. ernster was (predictably) awful last year as soon as the competition was removed, and really, i don't think he was all that great to begin with.

i'd dig taylor as a UDFA KR.

did you mean to ask about undrafted free agents M, or unrestricted free agents?

[M]

The question actually relates to the issue of when can you enter a contact with a player. Can you contact a player before the draft and offer them a contract IF they do not get drafted. Can you have the player sign this contract prior to the draft? Does this violate any NFL rules to make this offer prior to the draft on the condition that a prospect goes undrafted. I seems that about 50 players announce their signings right within hours after the draft. The question is want to know is have any of these undrafted prospects signed the contract with the teams that pick them up after the draft prior to the draft on the condition that it obviously only goes into effect if they are undrafted, or again, does this violate the NFL rules?

If it is not illegal why not offer the prospects that you think are late rounders a contract now on the condition that they may not get drafted (such as Ramonce Taylor and Melvin Bullitt). If they get drafted, no big deal and it costs you nothing. If they go undrafted you have their rights and these are "perfect" special team / practice squad player (in that they cost next to nothing and every year an undrafted free agent seems to make the team as a backup (see Bell from Arizona last year), or as a great 2 year project to see if they develop.

If they suck, you cut them and it costs you pennies on the dollar to find out.

[KBear]

I was under the impression that teams did contact prospects towards the end of the draft that they would be interested in signing them if they go undrafted. I dont know about negotitating deals before the draft ends though.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Sauerbrun pwns. I want him bad.

[elway777]

I don't know if anyone cares, but Mike Bell has switched his number to 30.

[Jimmy]

I don't know if anyone cares, but Mike Bell has switched his number to 30.

meh, terrell was our best RB ever, and theres not a lot we can do, its just a #.. i guess trav henry bought #20 of bell

[M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2831360

Pats match Broncos' offer to hold on to Sauerbrun

[M]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

I remember most of these picks unfortunately, but this video clip never gets old.

[Diehard]

Not getting Sauerbrun is unfortunate. Seemed like a lot of money, but our special teams were a disaster last year. Winning the field position war is an important, but often overlooked, piece of the puzzle.

[elway777]

Field position is gonna kill us next year.

[ripdw27]

we should consider mason crosby in the draft, i realize he aint a punter but elam is getting up there in age could help us in fp if he kicks off at games

[M]

Mason Crosby would be a good pick-up for kick-offs and the future. He will not likely fall to 3rd but could be a consistent player like Elam for 15 years for a team.

This is worth watching:

http://glumbert.com/media/peyton

[M]

A loutish thing to say, especially from our moderator. A simple apology would be appropriate.

When you say moronic did you mean that I was a person who is notably stupid, or did you mean that I was a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation. I am, apparently in your opinion, not smart enought to figure it out!

Mason Crosby would be a sound choice if available in the 3rd round. I did not suggest he be taken in the 2nd round as you intentionally, and willfully, misrepresented ("a 2nd or 3rd round pick") in your response to my comment.

The reason is simple - if Crosby is the weapon that he was in college (19-21 30-39 yards and 13 -16 40-49 yards in last two years), he is worthy of a 3rd round. Incidentially, he was also 51 - 51 in extra points over the same time-frame.

If Crosby is a bust, it was worth the 3rd round pick for a potential kicker for the next 10 years. If you bring Crosby into camp and he pushes Elam great. If Crosby is a very solid kicker, you will always have a market to trade him either during pre-season or during the regular season. If he is as good, or better than the 37 year old Elam, keep Crosby and trade Elam during the regular season, or during the pre-season. Elam would be a certain 2nd round pick in the 2008 draft on the open-market.

But those are just my feeble-minded remarks.

[ripdw27]

A loutish thing to say, especially from our moderator. A simple apology would be appropriate.

When you say moronic did you mean that I was a person who is notably stupid, or did you mean that I was a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation. I am, apparently in your opinion, not smart enought to figure it out!

Mason Crosby would be a sound choice if available in the 3rd round. I did not suggest he be taken in the 2nd round as you intentionally, and willfully, misrepresented ("a 2nd or 3rd round pick") in your response to my comment.

The reason is simple - if Crosby is the weapon that he was in college (19-21 30-39 yards and 13 -16 40-49 yards in last two years), he is worthy of a 3rd round. Incidentially, he was also 51 - 51 in extra points over the same time-frame.

If Crosby is a bust, it was worth the 3rd round pick for a potential kicker for the next 10 years. If you bring Crosby into camp and he pushes Elam great. If Crosby is a very solid kicker, you will always have a market to trade him either during pre-season or during the regular season. If he is as good, or better than the 37 year old Elam, keep Crosby and trade Elam during the regular season, or during the pre-season. Elam would be a certain 2nd round pick in the 2008 draft on the open-market.

But those are just my feeble-minded remarks.

dido njx9....

[Jimmy]

Elam would be a certain 2nd round pick in the 2008 draft on the open-market.

are you serious?

[Jimmy]

i do suppose we will trade up with houston to #10, as houston will probably want joe staley a bit later.

my thoughs would be that we could consider Pat Willis, Anderson, or carriker here, hell even levi brown

i would also kill for david harris later

[ripdw27]

i do suppose we will trade up with houston to #10, as houston will probably want joe staley a bit later.

my thoughs would be that we could consider Pat Willis, Anderson, or carriker here, hell even levi brown

i would also kill for david harris later

what do you think we would offer houston for the 10 spot

[Jimmy]

what do you think we would offer houston for the 10 spot

im no good with pick value, you would have to ask njx or chris

edit: i'd assume the bulk of the trade value would come from players, and not picks, as i'm sure there is a guy or two who kubiak wishes he could have brought along with him

[Jimmy]

does anybody know of the players whom we've already had visits with, or those who are expected to visit??

[ripdw27]

look on the team website

[M]

Any thoughts on Lance Briggs (6'1" 240 lbs - 26 years old) coming to Broncos? It would make the post AL transition much easier.

Does anybody really think the odds are any greater at this point in time than 50 - 50 on Shanahan actually keep the 21st pick or trading it (obviously depending upon who falls in the draft if we hold onto the pick that long)?

[Jimmy]

Any thoughts on Lance Briggs (6'1" 240 lbs - 26 years old) coming to Broncos? It would make the post AL transition much easier.

Does anybody really think the odds are any greater at this point in time than 50 - 50 on Shanahan actually keep the 21st pick or trading it (obviously depending upon who falls in the draft if we hold onto the pick that long)?

we dont have enough cap room...

[Jimmy]

you wanna know what gets me?

i hate how people automatically jump on the broncos when we release or loose someone

Al Wilson is released and suddenly every person on the board has Jon Beason going to us... when its obviously not the first priority.

Darrent Williams dies and every person has us taking a first round CB

Hell, I've even seen people give us a WR in rd 1, and guards

[Jimmy]

guys... i just wanted to give you the option of using this sig...
I know this is sorta stupid but i made this.. if you feel like using it for the day i think it would be respectful to use it

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/jgbiii/nfldcsig-1.jpg

[JCutlery]

Thanks Jimmy.

[Jimmy]

http://blogs.theage.com.au/music/crickets.jpg

[JCutlery]

The "Special Master" ruled in favor of Sauerbrun, making him a free agent. He's as good as ours.. :)

[Jimmy]

The "Special Master" ruled in favor of Sauerbrun, making him a free agent. He's as good as ours.. :)

arright. sweet.

[ripdw27]

did we sign him yet?

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I've never gotten this excited over a punter in my life.

[superPHREAK]

All I know is he has one heck of a leg. Hopefully he can stay off the pills!!

[Jimmy]

please boycott bill freakin' williamson
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5733709

[M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2849934

Arbitrator tells Lelie to repay $600,000 in bonus money

[Severe Punishment]

I need help.
I can't remember what all was given up by the Broncos last year to move up to get Jay Cutler.
Can someone show me a link or tell me what the entire deal was plz ?

[JCutlery]

so what does moss mean to our team next year? is dumervil no longer the rush specialist, given that without gaining some weight/strength/time in the league, it doesn't look like moss can DE for 3 downs?

I believe we will use both Dumervil and Moss on passing downs.

[JCutlery]

Sorry for the double post, but it appears the Broncos have signed OG Tim Duckworth out of Auburn. Nice pickup, imo.

[Severe Punishment]

hello ? anyone...does anyone know what all was given up for the "Jay Cutler" slot in the first round last year ? and who the trade was with.

[Severe Punishment]

So if it took "so little effort" then why ***** so much about it

[JCutlery]

Are you incapable of doing things for yourself?

[ripdw27]

is it really that hard to google somn i mean come on you could have easily found the details yourself then waiting what 4 days and taking **** from ppl here... come on man

[ripdw27]

CutlerChris - about your sig... it was a diet pepsi vending machine... lol just lettin ya kno

[Jimmy]

great video of champ..

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1586
quoting rod smith

"i call him yoda cause he knows where the hell the ball is going before its thrown"

[Jimmy]

Evalutating our team...

if every thing goes as expected... what is stoping us from being the best team in the league.. injuries?

if cutler has the breakout a lot of people think he will have (3,500 yards 20 TD, which isnt unreasonable)... our pass offense will be great... and if henry has an average bronco season (1,200 yards) we will have a top 5 offense in the league, adding on to the cutler numbers

seriously... what i have just said isnt that unreasonable.. one of the two will probably happen and the other one will come damn close.... and on defense... well have a top 15 run defense, and a top 20 pass defense... if bly plays decent and we get a pass rush... we have an unbelivable team...

the only thing, once again, are those injuries, and being able to rack up TDS.

Im worried that Cutler will throw for 3,500 yards, but Javon will be the ONLY one to step up, and he'll have like 15 TDS... but The rest of the team will have 2,000 yards combined, and our second leading reciever will have 40 catches.

[JCutlery]

assuming we'll have a pass rush because we added a couple of rookies is a bit of a stretch, although i get your point.

regardless, the patriots would be keeping us from being the best team in the league.

But, if anyone has the advantage on them, it's us. We've consistently beat them the past 3 years. I know they've added some players, but so have we.

Regardless, I am in agreement that they are the favorite to win the Super Bowl this year.

Our focus should be the Colts, though that may be the prime reasoning in acquiring Bly.

[ripdw27]

as badly as i wanted reggie nelson, i think our secondary will be fine this year, we have two pro bowl corners, a pro bowl safety and an up n coming saefty. im unsure of our linebackers, what exactly is the sit.? whos playin sam mike n will?

[ripdw27]

dominique foxworth... aint he playin safety for us

[ripdw27]

great video of champ..

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1586
quoting rod smith

"i call him yoda cause he knows where the hell the ball is going before its thrown"

darrent williams is on that video r.i.p....btw are we gonna have any special tributes to nash n williams this season?

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

darrent williams is on that video r.i.p....btw are we gonna have any special tributes to nash n williams this season?

There should definitely be those circled 27s and 29s on every helmet.

[ripdw27]

not that i'd heard, and hopefully not at all unless bates has enough sense to NOT play him as the run support safety. i still have no idea what was going through coyer's head when he did that.

so foxworth is gonna stay as 3rd string corner, correct

[ripdw27]

But, if anyone has the advantage on them, it's us. We've consistently beat them the past 3 years. I know they've added some players, but so have we.

Regardless, I am in agreement that they are the favorite to win the Super Bowl this year.

Our focus should be the Colts, though that may be the prime reasoning in acquiring Bly.


the colts were our main reason to get champ bailey

[JCutlery]

so foxworth is gonna stay as 3rd string corner, correct

Yea, he's the nickel.

[ripdw27]

k thanks 10char

[Jimmy]

First, I think it would be cool for a mod to trim down the threads and only keep the ones that are current

Secondly, it just occured to me that Broncos Mini-Camp starts in friggin July. We are one of 2 teams that does not have mini-camp in May.

That other team? Gary Kubiak's Houston Texans, who will hold theirs in June.
Obviously, Kubiak likes the idea of having mini-camp later, I'm just not sure of the advantages.

Anyone know what #'s the rookies will wear?
Jarvis Moss 95 or 96?
Tim Crowder 95 or 96?
Ryan Harris- 72?
Marcus Thomas- 77?

[JCutlery]

According to DenverBroncos.com..

#95 Jarvis Moss
#96 Tim Crowder
#74 Ryan Harris
#77 Marcus Thomas

[ripdw27]

i also saw that travis henry will wear 20 and mike bell 30

[Jimmy]

i also saw that travis henry will wear 20 and mike bell 30

yeah... and i think its cool that someone is wearing TD's # again.. maybe bell will explode.

[Jimmy]

also.. interesting fact.. we have a linebacker that cant wear the #'s 50-59 or 90-99 since all are taken...

someone will be cut

[Jimmy]

also, acccording to denverbroncos.com depth chart

Dj williams is still at sam...

[JCutlery]

also, acccording to denverbroncos.com depth chart

Dj williams is still at sam...

No worries, that depth chart hasn't been updated since the end of our season. They will likely release a new one before or after training camp.

[M]

Broncos Mini-Camp is wisely set late for a reason. The rookies currently have playbooks and access to coaching staff (to understand what is expected of them and encouraged to ask questions now) and facilities to work-out (as in get yourself in shape).

The Broncos expect that their rookies will be ready to know their assignments by mini-camp. The mini-camps that are set this month require the new players walk-through the plays, rather than know what reads and audibles mean. (If you recall Cutler was trying to digest the playbook to be prepared for mini-camp last year). You will notice the Broncos mini-camp has more live drills or scrimmages rather than teams that are in mini-camp now where they have individual position workouts. It just seems more productive to have the mini-camp later.

Last year I believe John Clayton wrote an article on this issue and cited several teams that are considering moving their mini-camps later for these very reasons.

[njx9]

it makes for a boring may, but i whole heartedly agree with the broncos philosophy.

[M]

• Stat of the week: Denver coach Mike Shanahan has dumped his leading rusher after each of the past four seasons. Tatum Bell rushed for 1,025 yards last year, and he was traded to Detroit this spring in the deal that brought the Broncos cornerback Dre' Bly. Mike Anderson was released after posting 1,014 yards in 2005. In 2004, Reuben Droughns ran for 1,240 yards and was traded to Cleveland for defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban and defensive tackle Michael Myers. And in 2003, Clinton Portis was swapped to Washington for cornerback Champ Bailey after rushing for 1,591 yards.

[njx9]

sucks for travis henry.

while we're on the subject, assuming mcfadden is drafted top five, is there any back yoiu guys would want? i'm surprised by the number of people who are giving us a running back (clearly it's early, but i would've figured the henry signing made that less of a possibility). i've also seen people argue that slaton doesn't fit our scheme. i'm curious as to why.

[Jimmy]

sucks for travis henry.

while we're on the subject, assuming mcfadden is drafted top five, is there any back yoiu guys would want? i'm surprised by the number of people who are giving us a running back (clearly it's early, but i would've figured the henry signing made that less of a possibility). i've also seen people argue that slaton doesn't fit our scheme. i'm curious as to why.

shanahan loves a one cut runner that can pound the ball, and doesn't do all this flashy juke bullcrap. slaton wouldn't provide an upgrade to henry in the ZBS. maybe im missing something here. care to enlighten me? I would love to get a guy like marlon lucky, as he has good size and speed, and is agile. seems like he has good vision, and could be an effective 5 yard per carry guy. lets see if he can stay healthy

[njx9]

slaton reminds me (and this is based on LIMITED viewing) of clinton portis, who wasn't really a one cut guy initially. i think a lot of portis's success here had to do with his speed and burst through the hole, something a guy like droughns never had and something tatum bell was never able to figure out (he had speed in the open field, but rarely any burst through the hole). *shrug* i see him as a good weapon, but again, i'm very willing to be proven wrong here.

[Jimmy]

guys.. a broncos player broke his foot and worse case scenario, if it doesnt heal that fast, will miss preseason

i will say this.. its either Tony Scheffler, Brandon Marshall, Travis Henry, or Javon Walker.. make ur guesses.

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=122433&sport=nfl

this is never, ever good, when a young developing player gets hurt, but i am glad that it happened now rather then later. graham should also get some more reps which is beneficial, but this is bad news overall obviously

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Well that blows. Scheffler was our 2nd best weapon last year with Jay. Marshall will need to step it up, which I'm confident he can, if effects linger for a while. We've got the makings of a GREAT young offense, I just realised. You got Mike Bell(if he can become great), Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler and Walker is still only like 27 or 28.

[Jimmy]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5949715

Kircus, 27, turned himself in at 10:15 a.m. today and was charged with second-degree assault, a Class 4 felony, according to the sheriff's office.

Shanahan said Kircus will be released from the team if he is found guilty of

causing the multiple broken bones in Krieger's face.

[njx9]

easy way to cut an unnecessary posession receiver i guess.

[M]

With regards from Kircus, Harvey will be handling the case. He will take care of it so worst case is a misd. or a deferred on a felony depending upon injury (orbital bone) and an investigation into owners dirty laundry (how much alcohol, drugs etc).

On an unrelated issue, does anybody else think that Clinton Portis is an idiot?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099

[Jimmy]

With regards from Kircus, Harvey will be handling the case. He will take care of it so worst case is a misd. or a deferred on a felony depending upon injury (orbital bone) and an investigation into owners dirty laundry (how much alcohol, drugs etc).

On an unrelated issue, does anybody else think that Clinton Portis is an idiot?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2003/portis_031207.jpg
a picture is worth a thousand words

[elway777]

Who do you guys think is gonna be our returner this year?

Brian Clark didn't really cut it last year. I could see Mike Bell at kick return with maybe David Kircus or Dre bly at pr.

[njx9]

quincy morgan.

[JCutlery]

Domenik Hixon.

[M]

The punt returner battle will not be won on paper but based upon results between Smith, Stokley, Quincy Morgan or Domenik Hixon (but I am voting for Morgan until proven otherwise). Mike Klis, Denver Post Staff Writer, wrote that Marshall will be tried out as PR but I doubt that. He is too valuable as a reciever to have in at PR (think Smith a few years ago).

Not a very impressive article:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5971511?source=rss

[njx9]

The punt returner battle will not be won on paper but based upon results between Smith, Stokley, Quincy Morgan or Domenik Hixon (but I am voting for Morgan until proven otherwise). Mike Klis, Denver Post Staff Writer, wrote that Marshall will be tried out as PR but I doubt that. He is too valuable as a reciever to have in at PR (think Smith a few years ago).

Not a very impressive article:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5971511?source=rss

yeah, i have a hard time believing they'd throw marshall out there unless it was desperate. has stokley ever returned kicks? i haven't read the article, so if it's answered there...

[bearfan]

Las Vegas Review Journal... Actress Gabrielle Union, dining with Denver Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker at N9ne (Palms) on Friday.

Way to go Javon!

[Jimmy]

Eddie freakin' moore is running with the first team at OLB
:)

[AlexDown]

Njx9, could you clear your inbox? Can't seem to send you a PM.

[neko4]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10216

Neo claims that Manning>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elway

[elway777]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10216

Neo claims that Manning>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elway

Instigator :/

[M]

AH the slowest time of the year!

Prognostications on the final season wins and loses record (be specific with schedule) should spark an occasional post.


What are the thoughts on which DT will not make the team?

LDT RDT
A. McKinley G. Warren
J. Kennedy S. Adams
D. Veal M. Thomas
A. Burton

[JCutlery]

AH the slowest time of the year!

Prognostications on the final season wins and loses record (be specific with schedule) should spark an occasional post.


What are the thoughts on which DT will not make the team?

LDT RDT
A. McKinley G. Warren
J. Kennedy S. Adams
D. Veal M. Thomas
A. Burton

For some reason, I don't see McKinley making the team. Burton will probably be signed to the practice squad again.

[Chris]

I delegate God to see God.

[JCutlery]

Greg Eslinger selected to All-NFL Europa team.

link (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=6889)

Big whoop, I know. But, Erik Pears was selected to the same honor a year ago, and he managed to contribute during the regular season. Congrats to Greg.

[elway777]

I actually tuned in to NFLE this season to catch how Greg was doing. He really held his own every down. He plays to the whistle,... and well a little after every play.

[smittyjs]

Did Cutler get in trouble with the Law last night or something, i swear i heard something on the NFL channel about it, but couldn't find any information.

[JCutlery]

that would suck..

[Ravens1991]

What do you all think Travis Henrys # will be this season for you guys?

[Chris]

I know I don't post here often or anymore, but I did start up a Broncos Blog for people to view.

www.broncosdraft.wordpress.com

With work, school, social life, blog and two other forums I frequent, NFLDC has fallen out of favor as well as FF.

I miss you guys.

Hope all is well.

I'll try and check in from time to time.

NJX, keep pwning newbs.

-- Chris

[elway777]

haven't heard that at all.. *shrug*

i did run into him and a big posse at the bars a couple of weekends ago, so a drunk and disorderly would hardly surprise me.


Did you get a chance to touch him? Or breath his air?

[M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2928032

Denver Broncos defensive end Kenny Peterson has been suspended without pay for violating the NFL's steroid policy, the team said Friday.

[Namy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2928032

Denver Broncos defensive end Kenny Peterson has been suspended without pay for violating the NFL's steroid policy, the team said Friday.
Kenny who?

hmm... the off season seems more boring than usual. I guess it's just because our off-season last season entailed a rookie future franchise caller. Come on seasonnnnnn

[smittyjs]

Damn i thought the Denver and titans Monday night game was here in Nashville, i found out a few days ago it was in Denver, I'm going to go cry in a corner now :( :mad:

[M]

Smith's bum hip making slow progress as WR misses minicamp - retire?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2932331

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

did you really want to watch cutler shatter vince young's throwing confidence in person? the tears on young's cheeks will look so much better on tv.

As well as the poopstain on the back of his pants.

[M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2935411

I thought at least 1 of the cases was dismissed. If so, two games for one misd. conviction seems very inconsistent with other suspensions previously handed down. Not condoning actions or domestic violence just concerned about a visible level of consistency.

[ripdw27]

havent checked out my teams thread for a few monts thought id stop by...

im highly considering saving up for some broncos tix.. take my dad to a game.. probably be whichever game is on the road for us against the following teams: vikings lions or bears..any other teams close to wi were i reside

[ripdw27]

Top breakout: Jay Cutler, Denver
Reach 3,200 yards or 24 TDs

Indicative of his keen passing and big-play arm, Cutler threw for two touchdowns in each of his first four contests. His five-game totals of 1,001 yards and nine scores projects to 3,203 yards and 29 touchdowns. However, he will need to reduce his propensity for fumbling after losing two of eight fumbles. But a full off-season, training camp and preseason as Denver's starting quarterback will help him establish a greater rapport with wideouts Javon Walker, Rod Smith and Brandon Marshall, and tight ends Tony Scheffler and Daniel Graham. Add that defenses must respect one of the league's best running games, and Cutler will take advantage of many single coverages to produce big plays downfield.

[JCutlery]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2935411

I thought at least 1 of the cases was dismissed. If so, two games for one misd. conviction seems very inconsistent with other suspensions previously handed down. Not condoning actions or domestic violence just concerned about a visible level of consistency.

According to the Denver post, he is expected to be released very soon. He apparently hasn't recovered from his surgery, and will likely not play until 2008.

source (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6455500)

[ripdw27]

is foxworth gonna be starting opposite lynch then

[JCutlery]

is foxworth gonna be starting opposite lynch then

No, it will be Ferguson. Cox and Abdullah will be the backups.

[ripdw27]

so foxworth gonna play like nickel corner or 3rd string

[JCutlery]

He'll be the nickel.

[M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2952736

now put on some weight and start sacking QBs

[JCutlery]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2952736

now put on some weight and start sacking QBs

I saw some pics from training camp and he still looks real thin, despite his comments that he's around 270-275 lbs.

[ripdw27]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7083432

almost makes you wanna cry

[ripdw27]

ohh im soo hyped up for us this season. i think we have a shot at the superbowl.. im not even kidding. yea theres a lot of hype about the pats n colts, but i think as an underdog team we wont have that bullseye on our back like the colts do. we have so much talent on both sides of the ball... man i am SOOO pumped

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

ohh im soo hyped up for us this season. i think we have a shot at the superbowl.. im not even kidding. yea theres a lot of hype about the pats n colts, but i think as an underdog team we wont have that bullseye on our back like the colts do. we have so much talent on both sides of the ball... man i am SOOO pumped

Yeah dude. Our offense is young, but extremely talented. I don't wanna seem like a homer, but...

Javon Walker is excellent and not 30 yet. Brandon Marshall is incredibly underrated, he is big, fast and makes incredible catches(see Cincy game). Tony Scheffler, statistically, was the NFL's best TE in December. While he isn't the best in the NFL, he is pretty damn good, and developed a great chemistry with Cutler last year. And that brings us to Cutler. Let's be honest with ourselves. If he completed 59% of his passes with an 88 rating and almost 2 TDs per INT and nearly 2 TDs per game three years from now, would we be dissapointed? I wouldn't. Well, he did that in his rookie year. The only rookie QB to throw more TDs than picks. And almost twice as many, at that. With a rookie 6th round LT and an inconsistent running game. We get Lepsis back, and add Henry, the offense has the potential to be unstoppable. Of course, knowing my luck, Cutler will turn out to be a bust and our offense will suck. The powers above find it fun to toy with me sometimes. Bastards.

And on D, we are getting older in the secondary unfortunately. We had a strength in two good, young CBs under Champ but obviously now we don't. We also lost our defensive leader, although Lynch will step in well. Unfortunately, he was also our best LB. I don't doubt though that Williams can perform admirably, hopefully Gold plays well and whoever plays SAM can also do well. But, our perennial weakness is potentially going to be our biggest strength in a year or so. Marcus Thomas and Jarvis Moss were huge risks, but if they pan out, could be two of the better players at their positions. Add Tim Crowder, much safer, and a very solid base end, and our DL could be deadly. Or suck. Depending on Thomas and Moss. But I have high hopes, since I'm a homer. So our options are simple: Have a great offense and a good defense(as it all starts in the trenches), have a great offense and a great defense(I'm a homer), or have the Gods hate me and have a ****** offense and defense. I'm hoping it's not the latter. It's definitely an exciting time to be a Broncos fan.

[Diehard]

I don't doubt though that Williams can perform admirably, hopefully Gold plays well and whoever plays SAM can also do well.

I'm crossing my fingers. LB, which has been a strength in the past, is a question mark right now... and it is something that really needs to be addressed in the next draft (a stud strongside backer should be at the top of the team's wish list).

or have the Gods hate me and have a ****** offense and defense. I'm hoping it's not the latter. It's definitely an exciting time to be a Broncos fan.

The Gods like to curse rookie/sophmore starting QBs. Consider it their version of hazing. The problem is sometimes they take it too far and leave the player a broken mess (see Tim Couch). Hopefully Cutler can produce this year despite this divine adversity...

[ripdw27]

haha not to be a homer but..

jay cutler - PRIMED for a breakout.. so much hype about him
travis henry - lofa tatupu projects him to have 1600 yds... ill take it
javon walker - huge diverse playmaker very effective receiver
brandon marshall - underrated and comes up big, good hands/height
rod smith - um hes rod smith. nuff said
tony scheffler/daniel graham - two great te's that will give us weapons in double te sets as well as depth
o-line - ha its denver broncos o line. top unit
d-line - deff our weakness, but getting stronger.
dj - has biig shoes to fill for al wilson. but i think hes gonna overfill those.. i seriously think he has potential to be as good as wilson.
ian gold - just needs to be solid. make tackles, hit down passes.
champ bailey - ha just needs the ball thrown to him haha
dre bly - cant let his guard down with champ on the other side
lynch - needs to play a role as a leader, keep up the big hits

all that said.. lets look at our division. no hype about ANY other teams.
Raiders - #1 pick (unsigned?) Jamarcus Russell. (bust)
Chargers - no hype even with lt coming off a hall of fame year
Chiefs - eh nothin major

[JCutlery]

Ekuban is likely gone for the season after suffering a torn achilles tendon against Dallas. This is a huge loss, in my opinion, as Eb was a definite starter and is one of the few ends on our team that excels against the run. Crowder and Moss will have to step up, and considering they are both hobbled by injuries, things are not looking good for the Broncos' defense. It's looking like 06 all over again..

[Namy]

Ekuban is likely gone for the season after suffering a torn achilles tendon against Dallas. This is a huge loss, in my opinion, as Eb was a definite starter and is one of the few ends on our team that excels against the run. Crowder and Moss will have to step up, and considering they are both hobbled by injuries, things are not looking good for the Broncos' defense. It's looking like 06 all over again..

We looked like sh*t against Dallas. I know Dallas is a great team, but we looked awful. Our team looked lost and dazed. We better get our act together or we're not making the playoffs. It's the same old story really... can't stop teams on 3rd downs.. cant convert 3rd downs either.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Jay Cutler knows what he's doing. If he sucks in preseason, he'll take everyone by surprise when he throws 160 TDs during the season :).

[keylime_5]

Question. Who is gonna start for Ekuban this saturday vs. the Browns, Dumervil, Moss, or someone else? I think it's quite obvious that Moss will eventually be there starting at RDE during the regular season, but who is gonna be the immediate replacement.

Also, as much as I dislike Denver, would like to say I'm sad for you guys about Ekuban being out for the year, he was the one D-Lineman who we gave you guys that I was sad to see go. He is a good, classy player, and I hope he gets back to the field as soon as he can.

[thetedginnshow]

Hey do you think you guys could tell me how Henry is doing? Do you think the injury will be an issue?

[thetedginnshow]

Well, I talked about the injury, so yeah, the injury. Haha. I'm just wondering how serious it's sounded and if it'll be a setback.

[M]

0ur ubiquitous moderator prognosticates 12 - I never you to be so optimistic as this could one of those nagging injury for the season.

It does not bode well that Henry is not going to get many reps preseason as he and Cutler are clearly not yet on the same page (see handoff in Dallas and not breaking off routes during blitz reads). He can run well, but the first game could be . . . a little ugly as we will be blitzed to death.

If defense surrenders 200 + yards rushing per game and puts no pressure on QB, as evidence by effort so far, it will be an academic concern.

[Diehard]

If defense surrenders 200 + yards rushing per game and puts no pressure on QB, as evidence by effort so far, it will be an academic concern.

The defense will improve as the season progresses - though how good it will end up being is definitely up in the air...

DL:
Lots of potential here, which is another way of saying these guys aren't playing particularly well right now. Elvis & the Rookies will improve (perhaps Gordon too?), Sam Adams will get tired and the rest aren't much more than filler.

LB:
Despite my hopes for DJ in the middle, I have to agree with njx9 that the move hasn't paid off so far. Webster might be a better fit, with DJ to WLB and Gold into the garbage... which further underscores the need for a stud SLB though the draft or FA.

DB:
Champ is the champ, so we're 25% there right from the get go. Bly *will* get burned on occasion - ask any Detroit fan about that. However, he'll also make some big plays. Lynch plays like a LB - big hits, crappy coverage. The rest are question marks, though perhaps Abdullah will emerge as a player.

Anyway, I think it would be wise to brace for a rocky start will some nice developments around mid-season. At least the offense has the firepower to put up points while the defense gets its affairs in order...

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

At S, all we really need is someone to help Bly over the top, and put Lynch in the box. That's not gonna be an easy secondary to move the ball on. You've got Champ on one side, and Bly with help on the other. And if you run, we have a guy who's still one of the best 8th men in the NFL. We just need the front seven to work well. It's a shame Wilson got hurt.

[M]

Anyone "unexpected" getting cut in first trim down?

[M]

You are right - is it not the annual lets get a pick from the redskins time of year. It is like Christmas in September every year!

[M]

The full list of released players is as follows:

Quarterbacks: Darrell *******, Preston Parsons.
Fullbacks: Kyle Johnson.
Running Backs: None.
Wide Receivers: Glenn Martinez, Marquay McDaniel, Quincy Morgan.
Tight ends: None.
Offensive linemen: Emmanuel Akah, Greg Eslinger, Mark Fenton, Kevin McAlmont, Chad Mustard, Cliff Washburn.
Defensive linemen: John Browning, Steven Harris, Jimmy Kennedy.
Linebackers: T.J. Hollowell, Cameron Vaughn.
Safeties: Steve Cargile, Roderick Rogers.
Cornerbacks: Bill Alford, Kevin House.

I thought we might have kept one QB and Eslinger but Kyle Johnson was the only real "hmmmm" name.

[Diehard]

According to ESPN, Simeon Rice is now a Bronco.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

If he can still get after the QB, I like it. No such thing as too many pass rushers.

[M]

Sources have learned that the Broncos currently have 5 trade offers for Mike Bell. Our sources tell us that Shanahan has decided to put the decision in Mike Bell's lap. We've been told that Shanahan has spoken with Bell and laid his role out in the Broncos offense as a fullback who provides spot carries for a change of pace ("in essence," the Full Back role that Mike Anderson manned for so many years). Our sources tell us that the teams involved are Indianapolis, Green Bay, Baltimore, St. Louis, and Atlanta, with the trade offers being conditional 5th - 7th round picks.. Ultimately, the decision to depart from Denver has been put in Mike Bell's lap, leaving it up to him to decide what he thinks is best for him.

Where is Washington on this list, I was certain we would have a trade with Washington by now!


As far as Rice, I do not see 10 plus sacks but I see Rice as being a great rotational player to add impressive depth - especially on 3rd and long downs substitutions.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

The Redskins are tryign to package all their picks for the next three years to get him.

[M]

Looking at the team as we now see it, subject to injury, what are your thoughts on our draft needs next year:

My thoughts are :
1. Replace Lynch (I know that I am anti-Lynch but he is too slow)
2. Linebacker - we need a MLB so DJ can move outside and Gold can be traded to washington for a second - sixth round pick, or an outside linbacker to replace Gold (which by the way Gold is a description of the weight of his arms because it would appear he cannot move them to try and wrap up a player).
3. Depth on the Offensive Line
4. a very large RB for those short yardage / inside the 10 situations

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Lynch starting wouldn't be too awful if we got a great cover guy and kept Lynch near the line. Bly and Bailey could probably do well enough that a great coverage guy could cover for them if they ever faltered.

[Diehard]

A Ballhawk FS and a true strongside LB should headline the draft wish list. Another DT wouldn't hurt either as Sam Adams is due for a heart attack any minute...

[JCutlery]

Here is a small mock of what I want to happen..

1 FS Kenny Phillips, Miami (slide Lynch over to SS so we never see him in coverage again)

2 LB Philip Wheeler, Georgia Tech (weakside linebacker to replace Gold, can play SAM or MIKE just in case)

4 DT Dre Moore, Maryland (big guy in the middle, should fit Bates' scheme)

4 WR Dorien Bryant, Purdue (blazing speed, nice hands and could help in the return game)

5 OT Duane Brown, Virginia Tech (we need tackle depth)

5 RB Kyle Bell, Colorado State (we could really use a power-runner)

7 value pick

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I hope we aren't bad enough to pick K Phillips. He's probly gonna be top 10.

[ripdw27]

i see everyone kinda doggin lynch for his covereage skills but i remember when we beat the pats in the playoffs about 2 years ago when lynch had a pick lol it was probally more by luck but still..

1. S... id prefer some kinda ballhawk, some guy that could be a playmaker in a few years. last year i wanted reggie nelson so bad but as of now theres no college players that appeal to me.

2. LB... Middle or outside, doesnt really matter. If its middle then we move dj to SAM and kick out Ian Gold. if its outside, leave dj at mike n kick out gold stil.

3. OL... our guys are gettin old. we got ryan harris which is a pretty nice step but id like to see a center or guard tihs year.

4. WR... somebody really fast, so we can use him in the slot and as a returner.

5. RB or CB... at rb we cuold spell and eventually replace travis henry. at CB we would have a future replacement for bailey or bly, lets face it, champ is 29 n bly is 30. i doubt a 5th round CB would fill there shoes but who knows, maybe we get lucky.

[ripdw27]

is javon walker starting today

[JCutlery]

I hope we aren't bad enough to pick K Phillips. He's probly gonna be top 10.

My mock is completely unrealistic, it's just what I wish would happen. No way we could get Dorien Bryant in the 4th either.

[Diehard]

lynch is great at playing a zone and getting into passing lanes. he SUCKS at man and deep zones because he just doesn't have the speed to get to the ball before the receiver. which is why i'm still blown away he's at FS.

Would you prefer Ferguson at FS? ;)

No question, this is a clear problem. We need a true centerfielder kind of guy.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

How does 88 tackles and 9 INTs, with 6 kicks, a fumble, and an INT returned for TD sound? Well, Jay Cutler did that. in high school

[ripdw27]

so pretty much what you guys would suggest is switching ferguson and lynch..

i wouldnt mind that at all, get lynch up to play run support but i think we need a true playmaker at safety. im not sayin we need an elite safety but we do need a very talented one. theres no hiding that in a few years we will need help at cornerback to sadly. i am truly dreading the loss of champ in the future. but thats not gonna be for a while

[Broncos_fan_from_uk]

personally i like abdulas ball skill, and if we are looking for that centerfielder type to play the deep zone (as it appeared to me that we played alot of cover 1 the past two weeks) how about jamal lewis GT. hes a SS in college but would probably switch to FS in the pros. he has great ball skills and instincts in the run game.

[The Legend]

i was taking a look into the past

Maurice Clarett Taken Before

Running Back - Marion Barber
Running Back - Brandon Jacobs
Stong Safety - Kerry Rhodes
Defensive End - Trent Cole

Barber & Jacobs may have not fit your system, but Kerry Rhodes would be amazing with John Lynch

[The Legend]

thanks for that reminder. =P

is he still in jail?

[ripdw27]

lol 4 guns n a bottle of goose. sounds like my cousin every fri nite lol.

but anyway, we needed to beat jville in ther worst way. we couldnt capitalize on SD losing n dropping to 1-2. granted were in the lead, but i wanted a 2 game lead over the chargers (now we got indy then the chargers i think i read in the other thread)

[Chris]

I'll have a mock draft up coming soon for the Broncos, it'll be different than most, but it's almost a given Henry is done as a Bronco.

[terribletowel39]

is Champ playing this weekend?? (hope not)

[Diehard]

... but, looks like Walker is out

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/local_story_291174909.html

Bad -> Worse

I hate this season.

[terribletowel39]

... but, looks like Walker is out

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/local_story_291174909.html

Bad -> Worse

I hate this season.
hooray. Walker is for some reason Ike Taylor's worst enemy. it sucks he is hurt and all but woo hoo.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

This makes me angry. Well, it looks like I was wrong about Phillips being out of our reach, we should be in prime position to get him. Or maybe even Dorsey or Ellis, that would be sick. And njx, have you forgot or something? It's all Cutler's fault. The fact that the defense has sucked ever since he began starting(and 2 games before) and we scored more points with him than Plummer could dream of, it's all Cutler's fault. It has nothing to do with coaching, ****** defense, receivers dropping balls, or anything like that. It's all on Cutler.

[GB12]

Kind of interesting...

In May, Major League Baseball announced that it had chosen a new schedule for its World Series games on Fox, one that called for a potential Game 5 to be played on a Monday night, opposite the ESPN's "Monday Night Football" game between the Green Bay Packers and the Denver Broncos on Oct. 29 at Invesco Field at Mile High.
On Monday, the Colorado Rockies beat the Arizona Diamondbacks in Game 4 of the National League Championship Series, setting up the possibility of a World Series game being played that same day at Coors Field in the same city, just two miles away from the football game. The football game is scheduled to start one-half hour after the baseball game begins.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=676447

[Geo]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5726376,00.html

Huh.

[ripdw27]

steelers at our house sunday nite...
at the beginning of the season i honestly predicted us to win by 14.
i also predicted us to be 4-1 rite now.

ill leave that to the experts, i am not looking forward to this game. i love watching my team on tv especially when im in wisconsin i dont see very many. i havent seen them win yet, this week is a doubtful game without walker. then we have the packers, if we lose that game ill never hear the end of it. please god light a fire on our team and get us rollin

[ripdw27]

outta curiosity.. how would you feel about getting mcfadden or ray rice or mike hart in the draft?
granted we need help elsewhere but is just a thought

i also realize we would have to get ride of shanny in order to get someone like mcfadden. i like the one cut rule but i also like dynamic running. just wanna hear your thoughts rite now.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Mike Hart would be perrrrrrrrfect. And a third round guy, potentially. First two rounds, we gotta go defense.

[Geo]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7358452

The Broncos spent the bye week junking defensive coordinator Jim Bates' system and going back to what they played last season. "We just don't have the personnel to play it," said one Denver insider.

I'd like to see this confirmed from another, more credible source, before fully believing it.

[Jimmy]

My observations.

DJ Williams looked like a faster version Al last night (regardless of that lucky pick)

Dre Bly- Is getting torched more then he should because he is playing aside Bailey. Last night he didn't have #24, and He should have had 2 picks, which shows the of player he is (i know you already know)

Jay Cutler- May not fit our system. His stats were very misleading up to the last 10 minutes. Cutler was playing very mediocre, we just happened to convert several key 3rd downs. He can't continue to make those plays.These are his stats last night if he doesn't make those throws and tucks it and runs. 22-27 248 Yards 3 TD

Brandon Marshall- Is our best reciever. IMO he has eclipsed Javon (a healthy javon) in terms of talent. so how bout we use him like javon?

Elvis Dumervil- Needs to play every down, or almost every down. Did you see what happened last night? We got initial pressure on Toothlessberger every play. We either need to blitz LB up a middle gap, or have the DT play the middle of the field, because Ben just barely avoided getting sacked, stepped up and either ran or threw it to a reciever who made a cut

O line- sucks.

Nick Ferguson- Worst Tackling 35 year old safety that can't do anything but tackle in the nfl. Good for nothing. Gets torched deep, misses easy tackles in the backfield, and missed 3-4 others every game.

[Geo]

Pittsburgh Steelers @ Denver Broncos
Everything, EVERYTHING tells me the Steelers win this game. The Broncos run defense is abysmal and the Steelers love to run with Willie Parker. The Broncos are missing their best playmaker in Javon Walker, in a game against a good Steelers defense. But I'm going with the gut feeling again, it's telling me the Broncos will win this game. The Broncos are desperate for a win, and Mike Shanahan and the team have spent two weeks getting ready for this game. You don't want Mike Shanahan having that much time to gameplan against you, especially when he beat you the year before. Meanwhile Jim Bates has had more time to work on the defense and get things gelled. And the Broncos are playing at home, I think they come out of Sunday Night Football with a great and much-needed win. Broncos 24, Steelers 20.

Just checked, Mike Shanahan's record following a bye is 9-3. The last loss was in 2002 against Oakland, since then it's 4-0 with last year's game being a 13-3 victory over the Baltimore Ravens last year.
omg I'm so proud of myself! :p

Excellent win for the Broncos last night, they needed it. Make the playoffs and eliminate the Patriots pls.

[Namy]

nothing would make me happier than ruining my roommate's life with a rockies world series win and a patriots loss in the playoffs to the broncos.

LMAO.

I honestly have no idea what would make me happier. Beating these "Patriots" or beating the Red Sox...

I like how the Broncos looked yesterday. Some of Cutler's passes were awkward but he played well overall against a good Steelers team. HOpefully this is a sign of things to come. Btw, I LOVED our pass rush last night.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

LMAO.

I honestly have no idea what would make me happier. Beating these "Patriots" or beating the Red Sox...

I like how the Broncos looked yesterday. Some of Cutler's passes were awkward but he played well overall against a good Steelers team. HOpefully this is a sign of things to come. Btw, I LOVED our pass rush last night.

Yeah, and with Cutler, like, that's the best defense he's played, probably in his career. And he had a very good game. He threw two picks, but he's a guy who's gonna take chances sometimes so he'll never have Brady or Peyton Manningesque INT numbers. Obviously they should go sown with time, but you have to take the good with the bad. Another thing I loved is we *gasp* threw in the redzone, and it got us two TDs(maybe three, I didnt see the first throw).

[Diehard]

Another thing I loved is we *gasp* threw in the redzone, and it got us two TDs(maybe three, I didnt see the first throw).

Yes, that was critical. The zone running scheme isn't nearly as effective at the goal line, and for years Denver has compensated by going play-action to the FB or TE on the goal line (usually on second down). I don't know why Shanny ever got away from that.

Even better was the pass to Stokley for the first TD. Cutler has a great arm, and Shanny should make the most out of it. Take shots at the endzone from 20 yards out - keep the defense honest.

I know Shanahan wants to be a run-first team, but the weapons we have now just cry out for an aerial attack. The pass can set up the run, just grab a quick lead through the air and then starting pounding away with the running game.

[ripdw27]

i think we could finish the season 12-4, seriously. yeah i know its a stretch but if we play as good as were capable of, i think we can pull it off. we have..

Packers - only weapon on o is passing. our seconday easily trumps that with champ back.

Lions - Similar situation, shut down roy will and cj and force them to run.

(dont know if this is the exact schedule)
Chiefs - larry johnsons been playin pretty poorly, but so was lt before us. they cant stop us on o.
Vikings - eh, AD will slow down eventually.
Chargers - our only loss. they beat us 41-3 at our house. cant wait to see what happens there... :(
Bears - Keep Hester outta the game. Grossman and Griese can possibly pick our D apart, and Benson has been nothing special so far.
Raiders - Ha.

thats my quick prediction, im not sure if thats the order of the games but ik we play them (chiefs x2)

this would be so sweet.