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Diehard
02-22-2008, 01:35 PM
Vanderbilt wide receiver Earl Bennett has been at Chip Smith's joint in Atlanta working out with Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler since Jan 10. Word is, Cutler is telling Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shannahan to draft Bennett, which isn't surprising.

http://draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm

Will Jay be able to sway Shanahan? Bennett would be a nice addition if Walker gets traded... though he's not the kind of deep threat you'd expect the Broncos to be looking for.

rascal
02-25-2008, 01:28 PM
MIDDLE MEN: With free agency thin at defensive tackle, the Broncos have expressed an interest in acquiring Detroit's talented but enigmatic Shaun Rogers, who's on the trade block. But one other name to watch via that route is the New York Jets'

Dewayne Robertson, who is only 26 years old and five years removed from being a top-10 pick.

Robertson has a balky contract that includes a high base salary and cap figure in excess of $11 million that will need restructuring if he's ultimately dealt.

But the feelers the Jets are putting out at the combine to gauge the market, which certainly has piqued the Broncos' interest, has more to do with the defensive tackle's lack of a fit within New York's 3-4 scheme than finances.

Robinson is regarded as a high-character performer and would be a solid acquisition as an experienced player in his prime at a need position with Denver.

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Dear Lord please let the Denver Broncos get Robinson. Rogers can rot.

rascal
02-25-2008, 04:31 PM
Apparently God, or at least Shanny, doesn't listen to my prayers.

The Broncos are in aggressive discussions to trade for Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers.

If no hitches develop, the trade is expected to be done as early as tonight or early Tuesday.

It's unclear what the Broncos would give the Lions for Rogers, 28, a University of Texas product.

The 6-foot-4, 340-pounder has drawn the ire of Lions general manager Matt Millen because of weight problems. Millen has said the former Pro Bowl selection could be fined if the issue isn't resolved.

The Broncos' biggest trade last offseason came with the Lions, who sent defensive back Dre' Bly to Denver for offensive tackle George Foster and running back Tatum Bell.

BroadwayJoe10
03-12-2008, 08:50 PM
I'm pretty sure i remember one of you guys wanting the broncos to look into a trade for Dewayne Robertson. I figured you'd find this intersting.

"Apparently, NFL Radio’s Solomon Wilcotts is reporting that the Jets and Broncos are back around the negotiation table, working “feverishly” to try and hammer out a deal for Dewayne Robertson."


It would most likely be for a 4th or 5th rounder, something very low. It allows you guys to focus on different things in the draft and not have to deal with a potential "bidding war" with the bengals. I know both of you missed out on getting rogers or jenkins and drob would not be a bad consolation. Some people are nervous about his knee, but i can tell you he's missed 3 games in 5 years, all of those coming in a single season; he's played in every game the last two years as well. I wouldn't be too concerned about this knee condition.

jth1331
03-13-2008, 04:46 AM
Its sad to say that I think the Broncos might be "forced" to trade for Robertson even though I don't want them to. He's an average DT, but he is a vet that can come in and start next to Thomas while a rookie DT is brought along slowly.
So, I don't really want the Broncos to trade for him, but they may have to in order to field a respectable DL next year, otherwise its last place in rushing defense.

rascal
03-13-2008, 10:15 AM
I would like to bring Robertson in. From what I've read he is a good character guy and he has a good motor. He was just in a scheme (3-4) that didn't fit him. He will probably be better than anything else the Broncos have at DT, plus he is young (26) with potential to get better.

Hell...I think every year he has had better stats than any other Bronco d-lineman (including Pryce).

2003 (43 tackles, 1.5 sacks)
2004 (53 tackles, 3 sacks)
2005 (43 tackles, 3.5 sacks)
2006 (62 tackles, 2.5 sacks)
2007 (57 tackles, 4.0 sacks)

BroadwayJoe10
03-13-2008, 01:40 PM
Rascal, you're 100% right that he's a great character guy and has never once complained about being in a scheme that didn't fit him. He's come along way since his rookie season and at only 26 he'd be a good fit for you guys.

I did just see on rotoworld that "Sources tell Newsday's Tom Rock that Domonique Foxworth would not be involved in a trade for Dewayne Robertson.
The source tells Rock the Broncos are close to signing Foxworth to the long-term deal he's been looking for this offseason. Rock was told the trade could involve another Broncos player, although it's not clear who."



I'm not too familiar with your situation; is there anyone who is on the bubble of being cut or very unhappy in denver? Besides foxworth i havn't heard of anyone on the trading block for you guys.

rascal
03-13-2008, 04:02 PM
Well that source has since said the opposite about Denver and Foxworth agreeing to a long term deal. So I can say with confidence that they have no idea what is going on.

Well some of the other guys we tendered are Abdullah, Myers, and Paymah off the top of my head. I know Myers wants a bigger deal than what Denver may want to give him, but I doubt he would fit your system. Paymah is a better man-2-man guy that Foxworth is (who excels more at zone), whereas Abdullah is a FS/SS type. To be honest I'm shocked Abdullah only got a seventh round tender (same for Myers).

rascal
03-18-2008, 09:03 AM
Robertson is in Denver getting a physical.

BaLLiN
03-28-2008, 04:52 PM
Would Pat Sims be a good Broncos pick in the second?

Diehard
03-28-2008, 11:03 PM
Would Pat Sims be a good Broncos pick in the second?

Yes. DT is a major need... bordering on a crisis, in fact. Sims would fit well in our 4-3... though you have to wonder about the character issues (Sims and Marcus Thomas side-by-side? Could be trouble...)

jaffe28
03-29-2008, 07:14 PM
Would Pat Sims be a good Broncos pick in the second?

Pat Sims should be one of our main targets in the 2nd. Diehard might be right about the character stuff for Sims though.

M
03-31-2008, 10:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3322848

At least he is 26 and not 36 years old - good motor, good character and good frame - we certainly have done worse and a long term contract (see all DT's / DE's we have not signed to long term contracts) is a neoteric approach.

rascal
04-01-2008, 11:04 AM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neoteric

Main Entry: ne·o·ter·ic Listen to the pronunciation of neoteric
Pronunciation: \ˌnē-ə-ˈter-ik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin neotericus, from Late Greek neōterikos, from Greek, youthful, from neōterios, comparative of neos new, young — more at new
Date: 1596

: recent in origin : modern

rascal
04-01-2008, 04:56 PM
and proving point B. thank you merriam webster, for supplying a nearly wholly irrelevant definition of a word that is used to describe poetic forms. and thank YOU random user, for utterly failing to post anything about football while trolling a post that was almost completely tongue in cheek. cheers.


Says the egotistical moderator who took the time to go off on somebody for using the word in the first place despite the fact that almost every dictionary defined the word as how "M" used it (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/neoteric). Unfortunately same moderator was unable to determine the difference between an almost completely tongue in cheek comment and one that is a complete tongue in check comment.

http://www.neotericcosmetics.com/

Moving on to a broncos discussion...apparently Jay isn't very happy with Marshall.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/apr/01/cutler-tiring-marshalls--field-woes/

jefepowhnzer
04-01-2008, 06:23 PM
Per PFT via USA Today, Cutler got into Marshall pretty good today. I really hope Marshall turns it around. I'm an Eagles fan but Marshall has been one of my favorite players since he came into the league and I really hope he succeeds. To me him and Cutler are one of my favorite QB-WR duos to watch. If they both make it to their peak years in Bronco's uni's you guys will be tough to deal with. I hope the fact that his QB ripped him will help him mature.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2008-04-01-cutler-marshall_N.htm

jaffe28
04-01-2008, 08:18 PM
Per PFT via USA Today, Cutler got into Marshall pretty good today. I really hope Marshall turns it around. I'm an Eagles fan but Marshall has been one of my favorite players since he came into the league and I really hope he succeeds. To me him and Cutler are one of my favorite QB-WR duos to watch. If they both make it to their peak years in Bronco's uni's you guys will be tough to deal with. I hope the fact that his QB ripped him will help him mature.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2008-04-01-cutler-marshall_N.htm

I hate when national papers and mags get stuff wrong. Since when is Kuper getting first chance to replace Lepsis? I thought Ryan Harris or our 1st round pick was first in line.

jaffe28
04-02-2008, 09:24 AM
I hate when national papers and mags get stuff wrong. Since when is Kuper getting first chance to replace Lepsis? I thought Ryan Harris or our 1st round pick was first in line.

Guess I spoke too soon. The following is from The Rocky Mountain News.

"Offensive line changes

With the draft and free agency still to go before training camp starts in July, Shanahan laid out how he expects the team's offensive line to look.

If the team lined up today to play a game, Tom Nalen would be at center, Ben Hamilton and Montrae Holland at left and right guards and Chris Kuper at left tackle and Erik Pears at right tackle.

'It will depend on how we go through (offseason workouts), but Kuper would probably get the nod over (Ryan) Harris because of how he played last year,' Shanahan said.

Hamilton is coming back after missing all of the 2007 season recovering from a concussion suffered in training camp. Nalen, who will turn 37 in May, is coming back after missing 11 games last season with a torn right biceps."

rascal
04-02-2008, 10:30 AM
in fact, no part of that post had anything to do with "ego", but i'm sure it's difficult to think of big words that aren't really personal attacks. since you're new here, i have essentially NEVER agreed with M about anything, although i tend to respect his opinion most of the time. i had no interest in agreeing with this post, so i disagreed with a small part of it. i'm ecstatic that you found a link to a cosmetics store, even though the fact that they named themselves poorly has little to do with anything. when one tends to make a tongue in cheek comment on a message board, in which one cannot read facial expressions, one tends to leave clues that a comment shouldn't be taken seriously. thus, including a completely irrelevant comment with something of substance. no part of this should really be rocket science.

First, yes you are egotistical. Second, irony at its finest.

jaffe28
04-02-2008, 11:07 AM
i don't know that i like kuper at LT any more than i like pears at any starting T position. i don't know that i've ever seen him play and thought anything other than "well.. i guess he could be a solid G for us...."

*shrug* don't know that it matters. no matter how crappy he is, if he's beating out harris...

I'm not particularly thrilled at the idea of Kuper at LT either. Harris might beat him out in training camp, though Harris' back makes me nervous for the long term. I'm still thinking that Clady or Williams has the best chance of being the long term solution. Maybe even Otah if we can trade back a few spots to take him.

Pears is servicable but I like him better as a backup not a starter.

Diehard
04-02-2008, 03:13 PM
in all honesty, these moves, paired with the moves on defense have me seriously concerned that the team will attempt to pass off WR as our only need, thus leading to us drafting desean jackson, eddie royal and whatever other 5 crappy WRs end up being available at our various picks.

Shanahan also mentioned that Keary Colbert was signed to be our #2 WR... complete with some foolish Rod Smith / Eddie Mac comparisons. Really, the way he was talking you'd think the team had no needs. Whatever.

I'd say we're in full pre-draft propaganda mode at the moment. Shanahan might as well just take a **** in a bucket and give it to the press corps... that would be just as informative as the stuff that's coming out of his mouth right now.

Diehard
04-02-2008, 05:02 PM
i guess i'm more hopeful then that the S and LB signings are largely irrelevant to our draft strategy, though i'd certainly hope LT is up there someplace.

I agree - the moves at S and LB are temporary patches rather than long-term solutions, though we might get a legit starter out of it (I'm hoping Niko at MLB... he's about the only one who's actually missed by his old team).

This is a good, deep draft for LB's... we need to take one. The S pool is a lot weaker, but we could probably get still get someone who'd be an upgrade, particularly at the SS spot.

I think we are a lock to take an OT in this draft, regardless of what Shanahan says.

jaffe28
04-02-2008, 06:44 PM
I'd say we're in full pre-draft propaganda mode at the moment. Shanahan might as well just take a **** in a bucket and give it to the press corps... that would be just as informative as the stuff that's coming out of his mouth right now.

The first thing I thought when I read the Kuper comment was that Shanahan was trying to give a bit of pause to teams that might trade up to get Clady or Williams ahead of #12. I hope so anyway...

DeSean Jackson is my current nightmare...we can get a similar player in the fourth round in someone like Dexter Jackson or other athletic return specialist.

Just to revise my top 5 choices for the #12 pick...

Co #1s) Ryan Clady or Chris Williams
2) Keith Rivers
3) Branden Albert (probably a bit high but he's gonna be a long time starter)
4) Jeff Otah
5) Kenny Phillips (also maybe a bit high but he'll be a starter as well)

I wish there was a DT worth taking but unless Ellis or Dorsey falls nobody is worth taking. I haven't been thinking much about DE because we drafted Moss and Crowder last year, but what do you all think of taking Derrick Harvey if he's there?

GB12
04-02-2008, 06:52 PM
Packers @ Broncos in the third week of the preseason.

jaffe28
04-03-2008, 11:21 AM
not to cherry pick (you made other good points), but DE would, imo, be a crap pick. granted we need help, but after taking crowder and moss, and with a young dumervil (and good veteran depth), i can't see how we take someone at the spot. in all honesty, it might be one of the ultimate last positions on the team i would be looking to draft were i in shanny's shoes this week.

It's not cherry picking if I ask :) . I actually agree with you the DE is a low priority. The main reasons I thought about it are that I'm not sold on Moss, Crowder looks solid but may not turn into much of a pass rusher, and Elvis is a great pass rusher but wasn't holding up well against the run on early downs. Engelberger is also solid but not spectacular, and who knows how Ekuban will be this season. Basically I look at the DE situation and see a lot of players that are all over the place in skill set which doesn't help the defense define itself.

That said, I'll throw stuff at the TV if they pick a DE in the first round.

Just out of curiousity, how does everyone rank our team needs? I'd go:

1. DT
2. LB, OT
3. KR
4. S, WR
5. K, P
6. C
7. OG, DE, RB, CB
8. QB, TE

Diehard
04-03-2008, 11:46 AM
Just out of curiousity, how does everyone rank our team needs?

Situation critical: DT, OT
Upgrades: LB, S, WR, K, P [maybe RB]
Looking to the future: C, CB w/return skills, [maybe RB]
Only if the value is really good: TE, OG, FB
Don't bother: QB, DE

RB is the position I had the most difficulty categorizing. I think we could do just fine with our existing set... then again, a single feature back could do a lot to improve offensive consistency. I guess it really hinges on Travis Henry's ability to avoid injury and off-field distractions... something I'm not too optimistic about.

jaffe28
04-03-2008, 02:48 PM
This might end up influencing draft strategy:

NFL owners nix hopes to add players (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8788388)

If we don't feel like we can keep an 80 man roster when adding a 9 man draft class we might be forced to trade some picks. Maybe it makes a trade up for Dorsey or Ellis more likely. Maybe it makes Shanahan think twice about a K or P competition because we'd have to use 4 spots. Hmmmmm...

Does anyone know where I can find a full current roster for the Broncos so I can see what 80 men we currently have and who I can cut so we can keep all our picks?

Diehard
04-03-2008, 03:36 PM
I don't think it will have a huge impact. Take a look at the roster - there's a *lot* of garbage sitting there just waiting to be cut.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=396


This might end up influencing draft strategy:

NFL owners nix hopes to add players (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8788388)

If we don't feel like we can keep an 80 man roster when adding a 9 man draft class we might be forced to trade some picks. Maybe it makes a trade up for Dorsey or Ellis more likely. Maybe it makes Shanahan think twice about a K or P competition because we'd have to use 4 spots. Hmmmmm...

Does anyone know where I can find a full current roster for the Broncos so I can see what 80 men we currently have and who I can cut so we can keep all our picks?

jaffe28
04-03-2008, 06:22 PM
Thanks for the link. Exactly what I was looking for. And there are indeed some cuts to be had.

jth1331
04-07-2008, 11:33 PM
IMO, our needs(based on most critical:

1. LT - I can not stress this enough to get a bonafide stud LT protecting Cutler. I am definitely not sold on either Harris or Kuper or whoever we want to throw out there.
2. DT - My god this is a pitiful group. I was tempted to move it to #1, but protecting Cutler is just that important to me. But seriously, we are looking at either Antwon Burton or Alvin McKinley starting alongside Marcus Thomas. I'd be fuming to take a DT in round 1 but it won't be worth it if Ellis and Dorsey are gone by the time they pick. Round 2 is a money round to take a DT though IMO, a lot of good options. I won't expect the rookie to do anything impressing this year, but it sure would help for the long run.
3. Safety - I have mixed opinions on Abdullah, sometimes I think he can be a solid starting safety in the league, and sometimes I think he should be cut by whiffing by 5 miles on routine tackles. Manual and McCree are just to have bodies to throw out there. IMO, we need a FS more than a SS at this point, someone who can actually cover.
4. LB - mainly, upgrading. I think we should see if this Niko guy can actually play like he's been talked about. We have adequate depth with Webster and Winborn. DJ hopefully will excel moving back to the weakside. I think we do need to draft a LB for the strong side, maybe MLB.
5. K - I really hope we are looking at someone in the draft, because I don't want to go into the season with Matt Prater the starting kicker or some scrub vet.
6. WR - Marshall's antics are starting to get annoying and bothersome. Colbert I think could be an adequate #2 guy. Don't need a guy who will get 70 catches for over 1,000 yards and 10 TD's here, just to be able to get 50ish with 750ish yards. What I want though is a guy who can stretch the field. I would hate the pick at #12, but Desean Jackson would do just that. I would only want to take Jackson if we trade down to the 20's. If we were looking at drafting a guy who can take over the #2 job and become great at it, I would consider Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelly if his knees are healthy.

I'd say if we stay pat where we are, I'd want us to take:
12. Ryan Clady or Chris Williams
41. Pat Sims/Trevor Laws
4th round picks: look at taking LB, WR and Owen Schmidt
Some pick in the 5th or 6th round, take a kicker

rascal
04-08-2008, 12:27 PM
OT-Pears, Harris, and Kuper...Somebody tell Cutler to up his insurance
DT-Thomas, McKinley and who? I still think we will send a late second day pick to the Jets for Robertson. If so DT in day one is no longer required.
WR-Marshall's arm was almost cut off and I doubt he will be 100% anytime this season if ever. Stokley is old and slot material and while I like the Colbert signing there is a lot of uncertainty.
S-Unfortunately this class sucks but we got some decent FA pickups to hold things over.
LB-WLB is fine with DJ. SLB and MLB are potentially fine and if all else fails we resort to last years group (yuck). This draft has some good middle round depth at LB and I think we should take one.
OG/C-Some risk with Hamilton and Nalen is old. Again some good middle round depth in this area and we should select at least one.

JCutlery
05-01-2008, 11:15 AM
OT-Pears, Harris, and Kuper...Somebody tell Cutler to up his insurance
DT-Thomas, McKinley and who? I still think we will send a late second day pick to the Jets for Robertson. If so DT in day one is no longer required.
WR-Marshall's arm was almost cut off and I doubt he will be 100% anytime this season if ever. Stokley is old and slot material and while I like the Colbert signing there is a lot of uncertainty.
S-Unfortunately this class sucks but we got some decent FA pickups to hold things over.
LB-WLB is fine with DJ. SLB and MLB are potentially fine and if all else fails we resort to last years group (yuck). This draft has some good middle round depth at LB and I think we should take one.
OG/C-Some risk with Hamilton and Nalen is old. Again some good middle round depth in this area and we should select at least one.

Shanahan must of read your post.

Anways, with most of Denver's offseason acquisitions made, what do you guys think the depth chart will look like when the regular season begins?

WR - Brandon Marshall, Keary Colbert
LT - Ryan Clady, Tyler Polumbus, Chris Kuper
LG - Ben Hamilton, Chris Kuper
C - Tom Nalen, Kory Lichtensteiger
RG - Montrae Holland, Kory Lichtensteiger
RT - Erik Pears, Ryan Harris
TE - Daniel Graham, Tony Scheffler, Nate Jackson
WR - Darrell Jackson, Brandon Stokley, Eddie Royal
QB - Jay Cutler, Patrick Ramsey
RB - Travis Henry, Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Cecil Sapp
FB - Peyton Hillis, Cecil Sapp, Spencer Larsen

P - Sam Paulescu
K - Matt Prater
KO - Matt Prater
PR - Eddie Royal, Dre Bly
KR - Eddie Royal, Selvin Young
PC - Mike Leach
KC - Mike Leach
H - Jay Cutler, Patrick Ramsey

LE - Ebenezer Ekuban, Jarvis Moss, John Engelberger
LT - Marcus Thomas, Carlton Powell, Ebenezer Ekuban
RT - Dewayne Robertson, Alvin McKinley
RE - Tim Crowder, Elvis Dumervil
WLB - D.J. Williams, Jamie Winborn, Wesley Woodyard
MLB - Niko Koutouvides, Spencer Larsen
SLB - Boss Bailey, Nate Webster
LCB - Champ Bailey, Karl Paymah, Jack Williams
RCB - Dre Bly, Domonique Foxworth
SS - John Lynch, Hamza Abdullah, Wesley Woodyard
FS - Marlon McCree, Josh Barrett

CT Bronco Fan
05-01-2008, 11:24 AM
I think with the Casey Wiegmann signing, and the drafting of Lichtensteiger that Nalen's injury is more serious then it seems. As sad as this is to say, I can see Wiegmann being the starting center this year, not sure if Nalen will be ready to go

M
05-05-2008, 11:28 PM
Broncos | Team may be interested in Alexander
Mon, 5 May 2008 14:48:00 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos may be interested in free-agent RB Shaun Alexander (Seahawks).

IndyColtScout
05-07-2008, 01:34 PM
Broncos Fans,

Is there any chance Glenn Martinez will be cut. DEN has a lot of depth at WR right now with Marshall/Colbeart/Stokley/DJax/Royal/Parker/Martinez. Royal could possibly take over Martinez's special teams spot as well as his WR spot. Do you guys think Glenn will be the odd man out?

I would like to see him on the Colts, not that it will happen, but I would like to see it if he is cut.

CT Bronco Fan
05-07-2008, 02:23 PM
Broncos Fans,

Is there any chance Glenn Martinez will be cut. DEN has a lot of depth at WR right now with Marshall/Colbeart/Stokley/DJax/Royal/Parker/Martinez. Royal could possibly take over Martinez's special teams spot as well as his WR spot. Do you guys think Glenn will be the odd man out?

I would like to see him on the Colts, not that it will happen, but I would like to see it if he is cut.

I would be very surprised if Martinez made Denver 53 man roster this year

jaffe28
06-04-2008, 12:57 PM
Rod Smith is such a class act. I, for one, would be very happy if the Broncos signed him on as a coach once he officially retires.

Smith Offers Pointers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/06/03/bc.fbn.broncos.smith.ap/index.html)

diabsoule
08-13-2008, 10:59 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3533124

Broncos sign veteran CB Brodney Poole

D-Unit
08-15-2008, 04:10 PM
Been reading some good things about Royal. What kind of expectations do you guys have?

Number 10
08-19-2008, 07:46 PM
I'm trying to find some information on why the Broncos cut Hixon last year. Training camp hype put aside, this kid has been lights out on special teams and now seems to be tapping into the high ceiling potential many raved about when he was drafted. Any info would be appreciated.

Number 10
08-20-2008, 09:52 AM
hixon was terrible for us on special teams in whatever action he was given. i don't remember him doing anything worthwhile on kick returns. that said, iw as surprised he was just cut, as he seemed like a guy who could contribue fi they allowed him a couple of years to develop properly.

That's interesting. He has been lights out every time he has touched the ball as a returner. I read last year there were some major psychological impacts going on after the Everett ordeal. Still though, he had scouts drooling if I remember correctly while he was at Akron and was seen as a 3-4 year project. I'm just wondering if it was a horrific move by your front office or if he was having some unknown off the field trouble. Again I hate to judge a player on preseason, but he has done everything a big time WR needs to do over the past month. Route running, hands, speed....he is really surging into a very good WR.

Diehard
08-20-2008, 12:01 PM
A few things about Hixon:

- IIRC, the Broncos wanted to resign him to the practice squad, but the Giants picked him up.

- To some degree he was a scapegoat for the all-around awful special teams play. I think the team felt pressed to "shake things up", even though there really wasn't a better option available.

- He may have tested the patience of Shanahan a little too much with the long recovery from his injury, then the inability to produce on the field after looking good in training camp.

Diehard
08-20-2008, 05:10 PM
in any case, i've liked what i've seen from royal enough that even if hixon is great for you guys, i'm not TOO upset about losing him (again, assuming royal continues to be a stud).

Royal was a great pick. Looking at the rest of our WR's, I can easily see him being our #2 guy in the near future (if he's not already).

jth1331
08-21-2008, 01:20 AM
Hixon looked terrible for us, and I'm suprised he is doing so well. Talk about a quick turnaround with a different team.

rascal
08-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Maybe Hixon looked bad because our ST's are awful?

Get on a team that can actually block and form a wedge, line, etc and he can light it up.

jaffe28
08-21-2008, 04:12 PM
then again, after letting elam go, it's pretty clear that shanahan doesn't think we need to bother with special teams. you'd think nearly a decade of godawful play would've proved him wrong already.

Though I'm not completely sold on Prater yet, he is doing the one thing that the coaches want him to do in replacing Elam and that is to kick the ball into the end zone on kickoffs. If he does that consistently then it nullifies our atrocious return coverage. I don't like that he's missed a FG in each game but he is 6/8 and 75% isn't utterly terrible. As long as our red zone offense is actually improved then we won't have to rely on Prater to win games.

jaffe28
08-22-2008, 10:12 AM
you say "as long as our red zone offense is improved" as if it might actually be improved (for the first time in a decade). i'll believe it when i see it.

Well, for the first time in a decade the Broncos have a QB capable of putting the ball in the small windows necessary to score red zone TDs who is also looking comfortable with the offense. I'm not convinced the running game is where it needs to be, but I do think Cutler's play-making ability will open things up for Hall or Young inside.

I agree that it's a big if, and if we can't score TDs Prater will likely cost us a game that Elam would have won with FG. Then again, Prater might save us a few points and win us a game by consistently making teams go 80 yards after Kick-offs instead of the 69 or so they had to go last year because no one could kick the ball into the end zone.

As far as punting, we haven't had a consistent punting game since Rouen probably so Palescu or Kern is nothing new. This is definitely an area I'd like us to solve someday.

jaffe28
08-22-2008, 12:01 PM
Yeah, the red zone play-calling has been iffy for quite awhile. I think that Coach Shanahan has not adjusted well to a less talented group of players since Elway, Davis, Zimmerman, Jones, Stink went into the night. If I recall, during the 3 year run 13-3, 12-4, 14-2 and two Superbowl championships everybody knew what two or three plays we were going to call in the red zone and simply couldn't stop it. So our red zone woes since then seem like a combination of lesser personnel and Coach not always being creative enough with what he had. Then again, Plummer/Griese without exceptional wide receivers other than Rod Smith really doesn't threaten anyone with the passing game in close even with creativity making the running game less effective. Cutler might make all the difference there, particularly when Brandon Marshall comes back. I'd like it better if Torain hadn't been injured though.

Saurbrun definitely looked like the answer but his idiocy made that a flash so still no consistency.

As far as your last question, I don't think there is a record that could get Shanahan fired at the end of this year because the team has done a reasonable job of selling the idea that the Broncos are young and may need time to develop. However, if they go 6-10 or worse then they better be a hell of a lot better in '09 or Bowlen might not be able to ignore the screams from the fan base.

CT Bronco Fan
08-24-2008, 07:03 PM
jaffe is right, Red Zone offense is pretty easy when all you had to do was hand the ball to TD lol.

And Shanny could go 0 - 16 this year, and he would not be in any jeopardy of being fired.

This is the first season in awhile that I really have no clue what to expect from the Broncos this year. The O-line scares me to be honest, I'm not sure if they are going to be good enough to keep a solid run game. Clady has looked pretty good though so far in pre-season.

Diehard
08-25-2008, 05:12 PM
This is the first season in awhile that I really have no clue what to expect from the Broncos this year. The O-line scares me to be honest, I'm not sure if they are going to be good enough to keep a solid run game. Clady has looked pretty good though so far in pre-season.

I think the OL will be okay. Better in pass protect than run blocking, though.

Moving the ball shouldn't be a problem - it's the defense that has me worried. According to the new depth chart, Nate Webster is our starting MLB... which pretty much means we're ******.

jth1331
08-25-2008, 08:11 PM
I think the Broncos are going to be middle of the pack again. Anywhere from 7-9 to 10-6 IMO. From what I see, a solid offense that could very well be top 10, a mediocre defense that I'm praying plays the run during the regular season as well as they have been in preseason, and the special teams is just a big quesiton mark to me. Only sure thing with special teams is Prater can kick the living hell out of the ball on kickoffs, which is a plus.

Its kinda funny, I've argued with a Packer fan and a Raiders fan on another site, both think this team is absolutely terrible and a 3-13 team. lol, we aren't in "Chiefs" territory

Diehard
08-25-2008, 09:41 PM
Its kinda funny, I've argued with a Packer fan and a Raiders fan on another site, both think this team is absolutely terrible and a 3-13 team. lol, we aren't in "Chiefs" territory

I would be curious to hear their reasoning. How is the team significantly worse than it was last year?

Besides, a Raiders fan talking about any other team being terrible? Pot. Kettle. Black.

bored of education
08-26-2008, 12:02 AM
I think Royal will emergeas the number 2 wr after a few weeks. he will get his chance while marshall is out. I also like how Clady has been. Go broncos!

Diehard
08-26-2008, 11:22 AM
are we really that much better?

No. Other than the pass offense (which I think will be good), it looks like "equal but different" at this point. Something in the range of 6 to 9 wins seems about right for this team. I'm expecting the start to be a little rocky, but our later season schedule is favorable to racking up some wins.

However, getting back to our mysterious Raiders fan comments, 3-13 would represent a significant decline, which I just don't see unless we get ravaged by injuries.

it's hoping for a lot if you're thinking our DE play improves substantially

I have very low expectations for our DE's. Doom can do good things on passing downs, but gets run over. Everyone else is just fodder or potential (bust).

Diehard
08-26-2008, 11:28 AM
I think Royal will emergeas the number 2 wr after a few weeks. he will get his chance while marshall is out. I also like how Clady has been. Go broncos!

Apparently, we don't have to wait. According to the newest depth chart, the starting WR's are Marshall and Royal.

A Chiefs fan uttering "Go broncos!" ? Strange days indeed... ;)

bored of education
08-26-2008, 12:58 PM
I am a fan of them. I respect them. One of my best friends is a co's fan. Plus jay Cutlerz is sooo sexyz. almost as sexy as njx

rascal
08-27-2008, 05:07 PM
are we really that much better? i mean, addition by subtraction at LB, but now we've got boss bailey who tackles only marginally better than gold. we still have no safety. i'll be shocked if our DTs are really any better. it's hoping for a lot if you're thinking our DE play improves substantially, especially on a team where the head coach has all but stated that he doesn't want to blitz for any reason ever, no matter how little pressure we're generating.

we have two unproven tackles (which is still better than pears) but we're still two solid hits away from losing 2/3 of our interior OL with not much waiting to replace them. marshall's out for 3 games, but unless eddie royal also continues to light it up in the regular season, we still don't have a viable #2 (and again, sans royal, we still have no ability whatsoever to go deep ever). dan graham is still wasting money and a roster spot. our special teams got substantially worse in some ways (FG) and substantially better in others (KO) but stayed probably just as pathetic as ever in everything else (returns, punting, coaching).

i'd back off my original guess of 2-14, but i'd say anything over 6 wins is a bit optimistic for this next season.

McCree is solid at safety...but safety is a concern.

Wiegmann is solid at center should Nalen not be able. Holland, Hamilton, and Kuper are solid guards. Lepsis should not have played last year and Harris is at least as good as Pears. Clady has looked good thus far. Based on that our o-line will be better.

Our WR's are better than last year (Royal, Jackson, Stokely)

Our DT's are better than last year (experience and Robertson)

Our DE's are better than last year (experience and Ekuban returning)

Our LB's are better than last year (minus gold)

Our ST's are marginally worse (minus elam but better kickoffs)

I don't see much as to how we are not improved. Will we make the playoffs...I would be surprised, but overall the team will be better.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-27-2008, 05:28 PM
chris will be pissed if you're trying to move in on his boy.

Y'all know he betta stay away from MA MAN. MMHMM! *snap snap*

Burns336
08-28-2008, 02:52 PM
So we traded a 5th rounder for Montrae Holland earlier to you guys?

How is this guy? Is he just depth or could he be a starter for the cowboys?

Kyle Kosier (LG and weakest link) is out until week 6 So I'm thinking we either brought Holland in to start because we liked him durring the practice sessions or we brought him in incase Pat Mcquistin (Kosier's back-up) gets injured.

Diehard
08-28-2008, 04:11 PM
Holland started every game for us last year and was half-decent.

He came into camp way overweight, which pissed off the coaching staff. Given the emergence of some of our young linemen, he was well on his way to getting cut.

Even when he's in shape, he's not really the prototypical Denver OL. I think he'll probably fit in better in Dallas.

Burns336
08-28-2008, 05:15 PM
sounds great.... I really hope this guy is just insurance and not our plan for a replacement.

shavedaeyebrow2
08-29-2008, 11:32 PM
How has Dewayne Robertson been looking for you guys? I think we (the Jets) can conditionally get a 2nd round pick from you guys if he plays very well, not sure though.

jaffe28
08-30-2008, 10:17 AM
How has Dewayne Robertson been looking for you guys? I think we (the Jets) can conditionally get a 2nd round pick from you guys if he plays very well, not sure though.

He hasn't really shown a lot during pre-season but his chances have been limited. The coaching staff is protecting his knee.

As far as the draft pick goes, what the Jets get is not based on performance but on percentage of snaps played. I doubt he'll play much on third and four or more. Which will bring the percentage down. I don't remember the exact percentages but I remember thinking that, based on the Broncos tackle rotation, the Jets gave us Robertson for free.

jth1331
08-31-2008, 05:49 PM
There is no way Robertson will play enough/perform well enough for the Jets to get a 2nd round pick.

Cunningham
10-17-2008, 11:57 PM
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3736/1yearsigvf5.jpg
LOL!!! FOUND THIS GEM ON ORANGEMANE!!!

CT Bronco Fan
10-18-2008, 12:23 AM
Kaylore cracks me up, you should see his " look-alike" threads

Cunningham
10-18-2008, 12:44 AM
Kaylore cracks me up, you should see his " look-alike" threads
do you post much over there? it's definitely better than broncos country which is horrible. that place almost makes me hate bronco fans in general.

CT Bronco Fan
10-18-2008, 12:44 AM
I don't post much, but I visit it quite often.

Jimmy
10-26-2008, 11:15 AM
I think it's high time we payed top $$$ for a top FA. I'm talking about a quality Safety, Corner, or Linebacker.

CT Bronco Fan
10-26-2008, 11:39 AM
I think it's high time we payed top $$$ for a top FA. I'm talking about a quality Safety, Corner, or Linebacker.

or all Three. and a DE and DT as well while we're spending.

jth1331
10-26-2008, 11:54 AM
I think it's high time we payed top $$$ for a top FA. I'm talking about a quality Safety, Corner, or Linebacker.

We are already paying big money for 2 CB's, and you want another?
We are fine at CB, we are awful at Safety though. We desperately need help at safety, we are trodding out stinkholes out there.

We also need a solid MLB. 2 biggest needs are getting a good MLB and at least 1 good safety.

Also, we need defensive coaches who know how to freakin coach. Like I've said before, we have adequate talent and shouldn't be this bad on defense. Heck, DJ Williams came out and complained about he has no idea what defense they are running.

Jimmy
10-26-2008, 04:03 PM
We are already paying big money for 2 CB's, and you want another?

I don't know about Mr. Bowlen, but I want to win a superbowl soon. That's a right of mine as a fan. I don't think that that is in the forseeable future with the team we have. We need 3-4 more key pieces on defense, and that is simply too much to throw on the NFL Draft. We need another big name player on this defense, even if it means finding a way to restructure a guy like Bly's contract, or deal him. I don't know who would want him, and the NFL doesn't just work like Madden, we can't just deal him.

Still, Free Agency seems like the only place to pick up a player that is high caliber, who can instantly contribute and make us into a contender.

jth1331
10-31-2008, 02:19 PM
I don't know about Mr. Bowlen, but I want to win a superbowl soon. That's a right of mine as a fan. I don't think that that is in the forseeable future with the team we have. We need 3-4 more key pieces on defense, and that is simply too much to throw on the NFL Draft. We need another big name player on this defense, even if it means finding a way to restructure a guy like Bly's contract, or deal him. I don't know who would want him, and the NFL doesn't just work like Madden, we can't just deal him.

Still, Free Agency seems like the only place to pick up a player that is high caliber, who can instantly contribute and make us into a contender.

IMO, we need 3 players, maybe just 2 on defense. Get a good safety and a good MLB.
Maybe a DE/DT.
But really, the biggest change we can make is hiring an actual good defensive cordinator.
What we have out there on defense isn't that bad, talent wise, and I'm beginning to think its more of a lack of good coaching to help these players.

Turtlepower
10-31-2008, 02:27 PM
RYAN TORAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm rooting for him to do well this week.

Jimmy
11-01-2008, 06:56 AM
RYAN TORAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm rooting for him to do well this week.

We are all... I Like the air it out strategy, but that hasn't worked since week 2. Time for us to go back to late 90's Broncos football baby.

Jimmy
11-03-2008, 09:28 AM
We are all... I Like the air it out strategy, but that hasn't worked since week 2. Time for us to go back to late 90's Broncos football baby.

on second thought...

rascal
11-03-2008, 12:50 PM
We are in the bottom 5 in the NFL in terms of talent right now. I would hope that if Shanahan even attempts to can yet another defensive coordinator, Bowlen backhands him and reminds him that it's *his* (Shanny's) fault that the defense sucks (as a result of some of the worst drafting in the league over the last 10 or so years, not to even mention the garbage free agency maneuvering).

There is absolutely nothing on this team that makes me believe it can win a playoff game in the next five years without some MASSIVE personnel changes on the defensive side of the ball. We don't have a single linebacker worth spit. We have no secondary whatsoever now that Champ is out. Our running backs could hardly be more worthless.

The defense is annoying for sure, especially the 8-10 yard CB cushion, but it isn't what hurt us yesterday or even lately. We know they suck, and expected them to suck (albiet not this bad).

But what pisses me off the most is the offense and the incompetent play of Cutler lately. If you can't score more than 20 points a game and commit 3-4 turnovers a game you are not going to win and I don't care what kind of defense you have.

Sad when the best thing you can say about a game is that the FB looked good.

jth1331
11-04-2008, 04:38 AM
We are in the bottom 5 in the NFL in terms of talent right now. I would hope that if Shanahan even attempts to can yet another defensive coordinator, Bowlen backhands him and reminds him that it's *his* (Shanny's) fault that the defense sucks (as a result of some of the worst drafting in the league over the last 10 or so years, not to even mention the garbage free agency maneuvering).

There is absolutely nothing on this team that makes me believe it can win a playoff game in the next five years without some MASSIVE personnel changes on the defensive side of the ball. We don't have a single linebacker worth spit. We have no secondary whatsoever now that Champ is out. Our running backs could hardly be more worthless.

I really think you are overreacting about the talent we have. I still believe we have the talent to be an average defense, but with how horrible Slowik is and the defensive coaches, we are dreadful.
At LB, we definitely need an upgrade at MLB. Safeties also, my god I hate our safeties.
RB needs an upgrade, we still need to see if Torain can do anything though.
Most of the offense looks promising. I will say, Cutler is frustrating me with how he has regressed after his first 3 games.
Say what you guys want about the defense, but the offense hasn't scored more than 19 points in 5 games and has turned the ball over a **** load of times. I mean, Cutler practically gave the Dolphins 13 points with his 3 interceptions.

What does he come down to though? Coaching. Broncos have been outcoached for a majority of their games this year, and that is frustrating. We had such good creativity on offense early on, and that has disapeared now. Defense, the playcalling and scheme is horrible.

jth1331
11-04-2008, 02:23 PM
what do we have, aside from cutler, marshall and royal that you would *honestly* say is "talent"? DJ is garbage. DJ is the most over-rated linebacker in the nfl right now. before you post and tell me he's not with some crappy tackle stats, please look up how many tackles he's made on the season within 3 yards of the LOS. i would, from watching, estimate he's made at least 75% of his tackles at somewhere between 6-10 yards. this is not scheme. this is because he doesn't react to or read plays properly. nate webster at least reads the play right most of the time, he just isn't good enough to make a play when he gets into position. dre bly and karl paymah shouldn't be better than nicklebacks. our offensive line has been awful, after looking fairly good to start the year. dan graham is garbage. stokley can't even catch the ball anymore. i see nothing on this team that leads me to believe we're really any better than cinci or detroit.

Ryan Clady, Ryan Harris are two tackles that have played well for first time starters. I don't know how you can call the OL garbage after what we watched last year.
Tony Scheffler if he can ever stay healthy is a good receiving TE. The thing though is that if statement.
DJ Williams is a solid starting LB. I do think he is overrated, but he isn't horrible. Nate Webster is the definition of average though IMO. Boss Bailey actually played okay at times before getting hurt. Every other LB is garbage though.
Bly is a decent #2 CB. we don't use him to his strength, which is press man to man coverage. The BS cushion scheme we play is ********, which is why Paymah looked so horrible.
Marcus Thomas seems like a decent starting DT, Jarvis Moss has gotten better over the course of the season and hopefully he continues to progress.
Peyton Hillis looks like a quality FB we've been missing since Howard Griffith.

And, to add, good coaching can make these average/below average players look a lot better than they are. Its all about creating mismatches and overcoming weaknesses, which the coaches have yet to do this year really.

Diehard
11-05-2008, 11:24 AM
We are weak on talent. It's been a problem for a while.

Offense: I think we are okay at most of the skill positions, and the OL does a good job pass blocking. Run blocking and running back need major upgrades. Preparation needs to be seriously improved - too many games start off with us looking like we aren't ready to go.

Defense: It's a wreck. About 75% of the players need to be dumped. No more undersized DE's. No more "fast but dumb" LB's. No more trash heap safeties. Shoot Slowik in the face and dump his body in the woods. Stop playing prevent defense all game. Bring someone in who can actually assess defensive talent, because Shanny sure as hell can't.

jth1331
11-05-2008, 07:55 PM
We are weak on talent. It's been a problem for a while.

Offense: I think we are okay at most of the skill positions, and the OL does a good job pass blocking. Run blocking and running back need major upgrades. Preparation needs to be seriously improved - too many games start off with us looking like we aren't ready to go.

Defense: It's a wreck. About 75% of the players need to be dumped. No more undersized DE's. No more "fast but dumb" LB's. No more trash heap safeties. Shoot Slowik in the face and dump his body in the woods. Stop playing prevent defense all game. Bring someone in who can actually assess defensive talent, because Shanny sure as hell can't.

Only thing offensively we need to address is RB and interior OL IMO, maybe look at adding depth to WR.

Defensively, we are not that bad.

i don't know that you've persuaded me that we're not god awful, but ok... i expect the tackles to look very ordinary at times. and you're right, harris and clady HAVE looked good for rookies. that said, when two rookies are dramatically outplaying the rest of the line... they were putrid last year, this year they've slightly improved. i mean, at least pears isn't playing.

Well, maybe it shows that we have a couple Pro Bowl talents at OT? Kuper IMO is playing decently, and Weigmann as well. Hamilton is awful though IMO.

i love scheffler. but the guy needs to learn how to block so we can release stonehands-vastly-overpaid dan graham.

I hope he does too, and learns to stay healthy.
And Graham was a waste of a FA signing, I still don't understand that signing.

i think DJ would be all right if he were surrounded by talent. but since he's not, every single weakness is regularly exposed. from last year to this year, i don't see any difference. he still steps back first, he still reads plays poorly. *shrug* if the rest of the league still thinks his value is high, i'd love to move him. however, if we were just going to trade him like we traded foxworth (for like, a 6th or 7th round pick)... well, i don't think he's quite THAT bad.

i like thomas and i'm starting to not think moss is a bust, but again... they shouldn't be the better players on our defense. especially since i don't think either would be more than a #3 on any good team right now.

Its a little too early to call some guys busts, or say they are good(Thomas, Crowder, Moss), so thats up in the air.
We definitely need to upgrade certain positions though. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed to trading Dumervil for a 3rd round pick and sign Julius Peppers or Terrell Suggs.

[quote[and i don't think slowik is the answer. that said, we've had the same problems through like, 47 coaching changes. at some point, it stops being the coaches and starts being the crap they've been given to work with.

this team will NEVER get better until either we get someone who has some vague ability to assess talent or until shanahan gets lucky.[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling if we miss the playoffs again, Shanny will leave. I don't see how he can get a free pass from whats been going on.
New HC, new DC, new OC?

rascal
11-06-2008, 05:29 PM
You expect shanny to leave?

He will be hear till he gets tired of it. He just bought a billion (or something) dollar house in Denver. He isn't going anywhere.

Wootylicous
11-11-2008, 02:04 PM
The Denver Broncos have agreed to terms with running back Tatum Bell.

He is back!

bored of education
11-12-2008, 08:34 AM
THE LEGEND IS BACK

who is next Olandis Gary?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-12-2008, 11:06 AM
I ran for 3000 yards once with Tatum Bell on Madden 05.

Here's to hoping he repeats my successes.

Jimmy
11-19-2008, 06:41 AM
all i want for christmas is brandon spikes in a broncos uniform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQShWogLzw
he has that intensity that carries over to teammates, and you either have it (winborn, however, it doesn't carry over) or you don't.

i have him #2 to maualuga, however, given the choice, i'd rather see spikes suit up for us.

ChezPower4
11-19-2008, 08:16 AM
I ran for 3000 yards once with Tatum Bell on Madden 05.

Here's to hoping he repeats my successes.

Bell on Madden 05-06 was unstoppable.... won many games online on that mans sholders

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-19-2008, 09:19 AM
Bell on Madden 05-06 was unstoppable.... won many games online on that mans sholders

I Form HB Counter to the house... you don't even need to set up anything to counter from.

jth1331
11-19-2008, 12:07 PM
all i want for christmas is brandon spikes in a broncos uniform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQShWogLzw
he has that intensity that carries over to teammates, and you either have it (winborn, however, it doesn't carry over) or you don't.

i have him #2 to maualuga, however, given the choice, i'd rather see spikes suit up for us.

I'd love to see us draft Spikes. I'd almost prefer him over Rey Rey.
With where we most likely will be drafting, around pick 20, I'm not sure who will be available for us.
Hopefully Spikes or Rey will be, if not, then hopefully Moore or Mays will be. If none of those 4 are available, I'm almost inclined to say go for drafting a RB in round 1.

rascal
11-19-2008, 12:14 PM
I'd love to see us draft Spikes. I'd almost prefer him over Rey Rey.
With where we most likely will be drafting, around pick 20, I'm not sure who will be available for us.
Hopefully Spikes or Rey will be, if not, then hopefully Moore or Mays will be. If none of those 4 are available, I'm almost inclined to say go for drafting a RB in round 1.

With each passing game it becomes more and more obvious that our safeties are awful. Lowry takes the worst angles, and can't tackle anything, I have ever seen.

jth1331
11-19-2008, 05:31 PM
With each passing game it becomes more and more obvious that our safeties are awful. Lowry takes the worst angles, and can't tackle anything, I have ever seen.

I think from what I see, we can get great value in the 2nd round at safety. 1st round, its either Moore or Mays.
Heck, MLB might not be that big of a need if Larsen plays well.
Safety though is without a doubt a huge need for the Broncos. Manuel, McCree and Lowry are all awful. And to think we traded away Foxworth so we could sign Lowry, lol.
But we also need a RB IMO. If Mays and Moore are both gone, might not be a bad idea to take a RB if one is available there, say Moreno.

rascal
11-20-2008, 12:02 PM
I think from what I see, we can get great value in the 2nd round at safety. 1st round, its either Moore or Mays.
Heck, MLB might not be that big of a need if Larsen plays well.
Safety though is without a doubt a huge need for the Broncos. Manuel, McCree and Lowry are all awful. And to think we traded away Foxworth so we could sign Lowry, lol.
But we also need a RB IMO. If Mays and Moore are both gone, might not be a bad idea to take a RB if one is available there, say Moreno.

An offensive player in the first two rounds is a waste IMO. The offense is fine but we have huge holes on defense.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-20-2008, 12:05 PM
I think we have a huge hole in the running game though. If we can add a solid RB who isn't 30, injury prone or drafted in rounds 5-7 that should help. But yeah if Spikes, Rey, Mays and Moore are gone, I think we'd need to go RB. Maybe take Kevin Ellison later? I dunno where he's slated to go.

jth1331
11-20-2008, 02:51 PM
An offensive player in the first two rounds is a waste IMO. The offense is fine but we have huge holes on defense.

The offense is not set, because take a look at our running game. You don't draft solely on need in the draft, that gets you reaching for players and resulting in poor drafts.
If there is no legitimate pick for safety or LB in round 1, I say go ahead and take a RB if one is available, heck maybe OG or C.
Having a good/great RB will make this offense that much better. Right now, I have little faith in the run game.

Saying it is a waste is being ignorant and not seeing the problems we have in the running game.

jth1331
11-23-2008, 10:06 PM
Welp, why do we play so fat and inconsistent.
Offensive playcalling was ATROCIOUS. Same freakin plays all game, and deep passes. Where is the awesome playcalling from the first 3 games? Geez, this sucks.

jth1331
11-23-2008, 11:29 PM
I completely agree with you there njx. I couldn't believe how poorly coached we were.

Diehard
11-23-2008, 11:55 PM
It was the Chief's game all over again: lack of preparation, poor execution, ****** gameplan.

This team simply isn't good enough to be looking past anybody... especially a division rival with an axe to grind after we nuked them at home in week 1.

The silver lining? The Chargers lost too. Good lord, the AFC West is pathetic...

CT Bronco Fan
11-23-2008, 11:58 PM
If Hillis doesn't fumble we're looking at a totally different game. Let's not go into "fire Shanahan" mode just yet. The team has showed it has potential to play good games. I'm not ready to give up on this team just yet.

jth1331
11-24-2008, 03:45 PM
If Hillis doesn't fumble we're looking at a totally different game. Let's not go into "fire Shanahan" mode just yet. The team has showed it has potential to play good games. I'm not ready to give up on this team just yet.

Anybody can play the what if game.
Fact is, we were outcoached. Plain and simple, we were outcoached and outplayed.

Facts:
Defense - ranked 28th overall, 26th against the run, 25h against the pass and 28th in points allowed
Our turnover ratio has been AWFUL for the past 7 years. 1 good year in 2005, thats it from 2002 til today.
Defense has been awful for the most part from 2002 up til now.
Poor gameplanning and playcalling for the most part.

This isn't a good team, and its not all on the players, part of it is piss poor coaching.

CT Bronco Fan
11-25-2008, 06:27 PM
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/drew/DREW1103.gif

This made me think of you njx9

urinemonkey
11-30-2008, 05:21 PM
Wow this forum is a graveyard.

Bruce Banner
11-30-2008, 07:14 PM
random thought

I love Cutler's cockiness. The league NEEDS swagger!

CT Bronco Fan
11-30-2008, 07:30 PM
Pretty big win today against the Jets. Cannot believe the 180 we did this week compared to Raiders last week.

Broncos magic number is now 2. < any combination of bronco wins or charger losses >

Diehard
11-30-2008, 08:11 PM
Pretty big win today against the Jets. Cannot believe the 180 we did this week compared to Raiders last week.

The announcers mentioned "inconsistency" and "playing to the level of the opposition" a number of times today... and for once, they are correct. I can see a lot of good teams not wanting to go against us right now, but at the same time a team like the Chiefs probably thinks they have a good chance of beating us next week (and they're probably right).

Broncos magic number is now 2. < any combination of bronco wins or charger losses >

That statement speaks volumes about how much the Chargers have declined this year.

urinemonkey
11-30-2008, 09:14 PM
boy am i glad you pointed that out.

and with comments like the one above, I wonder why...

The Broncos are the Jekyll and Hyde of the NFL. Get blown out by the Raiders, and then beat arguably the hottest team in the NFL in their house. It's not easy being a Broncos fan, you never know what you're going to get. Peyton Hillis is officially a steal, as are Josh Bell and Wesley Woodyard. I love our young contributors.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-30-2008, 09:31 PM
It is pretty easy being a Broncos fan. We're like Chiefs fans, and never expect to win, but unlike the Chiefs, sometimes we do anyway.

urinemonkey
11-30-2008, 10:02 PM
It is pretty easy being a Broncos fan. We're like Chiefs fans, and never expect to win, but unlike the Chiefs, sometimes we do anyway.

I don't know about you, but I expected them to beat the Raiders at home...

urinemonkey
12-01-2008, 12:02 AM
oh grow up. make a worthwhile comment in the first place or don't whine when someone calls your worthless comment worthless. but then, i'm sure you've overlooked the fact that people discussing the broncos (you know, the reason we're here) haven't gotten smart ass replies. i wonder why. :rolleyes:

Gee, I'm sorry master. From now on, I'll be sure to post only things that won't get me a good old fashioned e-spanking. What I did was clearly unforgivable and should result in a lifetime ban from the forum. :rolleyes:

urinemonkey
12-01-2008, 12:38 AM
which is clearly exactly what occurred.

you posted garbage. i made a smart ass response to said garbage. you whined about it.

but hey, don't let reality get in the way of a good over reaction. :rolleyes:

Actually, what occurred is I made a smart ass response to your smart ass response, and then YOU whined about it. OMG, no way did I just talk back to you like that, lord moderator? You should totally ban me for such insubordination. I can't wait for your devilishly witty reply to this post.

Bosanac01
12-01-2008, 12:40 AM
which is clearly exactly what occurred.

you posted garbage. i made a smart ass response to said garbage. you whined about it.

but hey, don't let reality get in the way of a good over reaction. :rolleyes:

hey njx9, pls ban urine from the falcons team forum

Bruce Banner
12-01-2008, 12:41 AM
99% of nfldc users need to stop whining like small children when people disagree with them.

anyways.

What do you guys think about Shanny? Is he doing the best with what he has? Has he been an asset or a detriment to Cutler's development? (has he "handled" him correctly?) How has the Dre Bly experiment worked thus far? Would you have made the trade knowing what you know now?

Jimmy
12-01-2008, 07:44 AM
I love how this board gets completely silent after Cutler torches Favre. Everyone waits all week to trash Cutler after a seemingly inevitable Jets win, and yet Cutler completely outplays Favre, and then nobody even acknowledges the fact that Cutler just put his money where his mouth was.

Namy
12-02-2008, 02:18 PM
I don't know how to feel about our season. We're surprisingly leading our division by 3 games with four games to go. Looks like as long as we play marginally well we should make the playoffs. Sometimes I wish we would just have a real down year so that we could draft some of the elite players. I'm almost certain that with wild card teams probably being either Baltimore, NE, or Indy, we'll probably get trounced the first round.

Anyway, this Denver team is unpredictable. Games we should win we lose, and games we should have lost we win. If we can get past the first round,d that will be a humongous success season to me.

Bruce Banner
12-02-2008, 05:35 PM
Thanks for the info on Bly, Shanny, and Jay.

One more question.

Any thread ideas for NFL team talk? We need quality discussions! Best player at ____ position and MVP=???? threads suck!

bored of education
12-02-2008, 07:48 PM
It is pretty easy being a Broncos fan. We're like Chiefs fans, and never expect to win, but unlike the Chiefs, sometimes we do anyway.

I hate you!

Jimmy
12-02-2008, 07:54 PM
I love how this board gets completely silent after Cutler torches Favre. Everyone waits all week to trash Cutler after a seemingly inevitable Jets win, and yet Cutler completely outplays Favre, and then nobody even acknowledges the fact that Cutler just put his money where his mouth was.

I don't know, I got the impression people were getting pretty fed up with his talk about arm strength, a lot of the Bolts fans among other people were telling him to win a few games and play better before he starts comparing himself to Favre.

Namy
12-02-2008, 09:42 PM
i dunno, once we get champ back, i feel like any playoff game really could be a toss-up. as much as the jets sucked, our defense DID look like it could potentially play well enough to win without cutler having to put up 60. that said, he'd still probably have to put up 40.

as far as the elite players... i'm ambivalent. i love clady and cutler. but shanny has an unbelievably bad record in the first round. i'd love to get mays or moore in the first this year, but barring that, i would almost rather we just trade down. we seem to do pretty well finding solid players later in the draft.

True. I can't wait for Champ Bailey comes back. Not only his coverage, but his tackling as well. Moore or Mays would be amazing, but knowing Shanny I doubt that's the route they'll go, even though it is pretty obvious that our starting safety duo is horrific.

Also, thoughts on Peyton Hillis? He's looking like a bruiser. I like his style. An all purpose back. Gritty. Pretty good vision as well. Also, is he the only starting white RB in the league?

Diehard
12-03-2008, 01:43 AM
i *really* like hillis, but i really like him at FB (assuming we have a GOOD rb behind him). i have to look back at things a bit more, but i remember thinking earlier in the year that i'd really like one of the clemson guys in the backfield with hillis.

It certainly brings up some interesting questions. Are we going to revert to a run-first team if we can acquire a stud RB? To be honest, I really like what I've seen from our single back, 2 TE formation... Cutler seems to thrive in that set. If we are going to run a lot of receiver-heavy formations, it brings up the value-for-money question about going RB early, particularly with Hillis playing so well.

Of course, if the value is there, Shanahan will pick up a back, and I suspect he will be looking for someone who runs effectively between the tackles. Teams are forced to respect our WR's in the passing game, which is what opens up the TE's... if you add consistent inside running to the mix, opposing defenses will be facing some very tough choices.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-03-2008, 12:31 PM
Well I think we need a good RB just to become a balanced team. I mean, let's face it, Cutler isn't Brady(yet, lol), and Marshall isn't Moss(yet). So throwing up and down the field all day won't be so successful. Yes, Hillis has been solid for a couple of games, but I really doubt he'll keep that up. Good FB though, maybe a 3rd down guy too. I think we should look at RB at some point in the first 3 rounds. First round should be defense. I'm thinking Rey Mauluga, Brandon Spikes, Taylor Mays or William Moore. If they're all gone, we can take RB there. If one of them is still there, we take them, and the next round take the other position if there is value there. If not, RB.

CT Bronco Fan
12-04-2008, 04:11 AM
I don't agree, I think Hillis can be our feature back. If we can run the ball 25 -30 times a game, That will put us in good shape to win. It seems the games we can actually get the running game going somewhat, are when we tend to win convincingly. Without the run game, we get games like @KC, and Oakland at home.

What we really need some better playmakers on our defense. practically every position on the defense could be a first round need in the off season. And I think as you see with Hillis this year, there really isn't a big need to spend a high pick on a RB, Torain was doing amazing in the one game he was finally healthy, sadly he ended up getting hurt again. It would really shock me if our first 3 or 4 picks weren't defense in the draft this year.

Our defense really needs a safety . . . or two, Manuel just isn't going to cut it. I thought that Barrett looked halfway decent against the Jets, hopefully if he can develop we can get a top strong saftey and get manuel the hell outta there.

I also think we need a better MLB and SLB. Nate Webster really isn't all that good. I am really hoping a good LB or two drops like perhaps Cushing Laurinaitis or Maualuga. If one of them time bad, they could drop. The USC guys might be a little slower then Shanny likes, but they are bad bad men, and would look great in orange and blue.

I even think that CB might become a day one need as well, if day one was still 3 rounds. Champ will be 31, Bly will be 32. Our other CB's are Paymah Bell and Jack Williams.

Diehard
12-04-2008, 01:21 PM
I don't agree, I think Hillis can be our feature back. If we can run the ball 25 -30 times a game

I'm not sure about him as a "feature", but in rotation with another decent back I think we'd be alright.

I also think we need a better MLB and SLB. Nate Webster really isn't all that good. I am really hoping a good LB or two drops like perhaps Cushing Laurinaitis or Maualuga.

Absolutely... part of the reason our rookies (Larsen, Woodyard) look promising is because some of our starters are garbage.

Personally, I like Laurinaitis in this scheme. He has good instincts, can cover well and manages to keep his helmet on... pretty much making him the AntiWebster.

As for SLB, Winborn is a great athlete but has zero smarts / discipline and Boss Bailey is a natural fit for the IR. I'd like to see Woodyard take over this spot - I like the way he plays and it would be a damn shame (and a waste of talent) for him to return to his role as backup WLB.

jth1331
12-05-2008, 12:29 AM
Honestly, the only LB I would like to see us pick is Spikes. Laurinaitis I think is way overrated and won't do much in our system. Maualuga is a bit better, but I'm iffy spending a 1st round pick on him.

And Hillis as a feature back, I don't think he can be a feature back for a whole year. I want a playmaker at RB, essentially a Terrell Davis/Clinton Portis. A guy who can eat up 5 yards a pop and have the threat to break for an 80 yard TD run. I don't think we have anyone on our roster right now that could do that. If we can get a playmaker threat at RB in round 1, why not?

Diehard
12-05-2008, 01:16 AM
If we can get a playmaker threat at RB in round 1, why not?

Because our defense sucks?

Mind you, since it's pretty obvious Shanahan doesn't have a ******* clue when it comes to drafting defensive players, perhaps we're better off going offense early then roll the dice on guys for the D in later rounds / UFA.

jth1331
12-05-2008, 01:19 PM
Because our defense sucks?

Mind you, since it's pretty obvious Shanahan doesn't have a ******* clue when it comes to drafting defensive players, perhaps we're better off going offense early then roll the dice on guys for the D in later rounds / UFA.

You don't draft solely on need, you need to also take into account best player available. If Mays, Moore, Spikes, and Meleauga are all taken by our pick and Moreno is available, I think we would be stupid to pass him up.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-06-2008, 12:02 AM
Let's draft TEBOW!

Namy
12-08-2008, 01:31 AM
Caught the second half of the game. I can't believe how close that game was. Worries me A LOT. Oakland and KC should not be difficult home games. Anyways, Cutler did show the poise to rally us to victory.

Questions: Word on when Champ is coming back (hopefully next week)? And what is the update on Hillis? I hope it's not serious, that guy has good vision and he's just a very reliable all-purpose back.

As for our draft, I hope we don't get William Moore. I think he's rather overrated. I honestly don't know how he's rated this high according to Scott based on what I've seen of him this season. I feel like Taylor Mays would be a MUCH better safety. I also think Cushing, Maualuga of USC would really help us at LB. And Hardy and Orakpo would be great fits as well. Other than them though, I really have little preference on who we can realistically pick. As long as it's not QB, WR, or TE.

bored of education
12-08-2008, 09:53 AM
woodyard plays better than DJ. tell me i'm wrong.

I won't. I am a huge fan of WW. He is one of the bright spots on that defense.

Diehard
12-08-2008, 12:31 PM
woodyard plays better than DJ. tell me i'm wrong.

It's hard to deny... and he's just a rookie, who will improve with experience.

It will be interesting to see what happens. DJ -> SLB is the obvious move, but DJ pretty much said he hates that spot.

CT Bronco Fan
12-08-2008, 01:05 PM
woodyard plays better than DJ. tell me i'm wrong.

You're right.

Woodyard is a beast. While I love DJ, I think it might be time to move him to sam or mike.

diabsoule
12-08-2008, 03:45 PM
Peyton Hillis is out for the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3754789

rascal
12-08-2008, 05:31 PM
Move DJ to MLB, WW at WLB, and Winborn or Webster @ SLB.

Don't know about the rest of you but I was very impressed with Barrett's play yesterday. I thought he played an incredible game for his second start of the year against the premiere TE in the league. Pretty much had him on his own the entire game and had excellent coverage.

Sucks about Hillis.

Shon Greene in round 2 next year?

jth1331
12-09-2008, 12:34 AM
People seem to forget DJ was playing pretty gosh darn good for us before he got hurt on the weakside.
I like what I see from Woodyard though.
Personally, DJ is a terrible MLB. I don't want to see him there. Move him to strongside if you move him. Woodyard is way too small to be moved anywhere else.
I do hope we don't go back to a fricken 3-4 defense because we have depth at LB, because we certainly don't have the DL personal to run that defense.
So to sum it up:
Keep Woodyard at WLB
move DJ to SLB
keep Larsen at MLB
Start freakin Barrett

See how things play out from there.

Diehard
12-09-2008, 04:23 PM
move DJ to SLB

That's a problem, since he made it pretty clear he doesn't like the strong side. As njx9 said, moving him there is pretty much saying that he's done in Denver.

rascal
12-10-2008, 03:58 PM
People seem to forget DJ was playing pretty gosh darn good for us before he got hurt on the weakside.
I like what I see from Woodyard though.
Personally, DJ is a terrible MLB. I don't want to see him there. Move him to strongside if you move him. Woodyard is way too small to be moved anywhere else.
I do hope we don't go back to a fricken 3-4 defense because we have depth at LB, because we certainly don't have the DL personal to run that defense.
So to sum it up:
Keep Woodyard at WLB
move DJ to SLB
keep Larsen at MLB
Start freakin Barrett

See how things play out from there.

Larsen was a fan favorite but his play at MLB wasn't anything real great. Hence the reason he was moved back to FB before Hillis was even injured.

I think the best 3 LBs we can put out on the field are DJ, WW, and either Winborn or Webster.

diabsoule
12-11-2008, 04:16 AM
What do you think the chances are of trading DJ Williams?

jth1331
12-11-2008, 10:25 AM
Graham was signed for 5 years I think.
And it isn't about just fielding the best LB's, they have to be able to play the position. And with that Woodyard at weakside, DJ at strongside is the best with Larsen at MLB IMO.

Diehard
12-11-2008, 11:18 AM
Graham was signed for 5 years I think.
And it isn't about just fielding the best LB's, they have to be able to play the position. And with that Woodyard at weakside, DJ at strongside is the best with Larsen at MLB IMO.

Switch Larsen for Brandon Spikes and we'd be looking good.

CT Bronco Fan
12-11-2008, 03:08 PM
What do you think the chances are of trading DJ Williams?

In reality, I doubt it. In a Forum Mock, likely.

Namy
12-11-2008, 04:13 PM
and then we "only" have to get DTs, DEs who can consistently rush (since we'll still refuse to blitz because shanahan's an idiot) and a couple of safeties who have actually played football before.

i'm not really that pessimistic. i think moss looked like he could at least be average. i think dumervil could be better if we didn't have to play him every single down. and i still largely like marcus thomas, although i don't know why.

i wonder if we could trade washington a 3rd and t. bell for landry and portis.

Hmm, I think adding Paymah will put this trade over the top!

Diehard
12-11-2008, 04:23 PM
and then we "only" have to get DTs, DEs who can consistently rush (since we'll still refuse to blitz because shanahan's an idiot) and a couple of safeties who have actually played football before.

LOL, yeah, well at least we'd have the LB corps solidified...

re: the DL - I agree, it needs 2 quality, every-down players

re: blitzing - in Shanahan's defense, our LB and S can't blitz worth a damn anyway... that's partly why I like Spikes

re: S - no question, we've got a craptastic group of safeties

I think we can draft just about any defensive position other than WLB and get an upgrade. That should give Shanahan plenty of freedom to look for value in the draft. Of course, he won't be able to resist offense... RB, OL and something else (I get the funny feeling it might be TE).

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-11-2008, 04:31 PM
I think Taylor Mays is who we need to grab. Even though Dre Bly isn't great, I think putting him in one on one on his side, with Champ one on one on the other along with Mays playing centerfield will make us tough to beat through the air. Then we can bring Lynch back, stack the box with 8 dudes and blitz blitz blitz blitz blitz!

CT Bronco Fan
12-11-2008, 11:05 PM
Interested note, Cory Boyd, will be the starter this Sunday against Carolina. Boyd was just signed off the practice squad after Hillis went to IR

Diehard
12-12-2008, 12:37 AM
Interested note, Cory Boyd, will be the starter this Sunday against Carolina. Boyd was just signed off the practice squad after Hillis went to IR

He's back like cooked crack...

Attitude aside, he looked pretty good at SC. Runs with power, can catch the ball, blocks pretty well. The start of his NFL career was, well, "inauspicious"... but he has a chance now to turn things around.

Diehard
12-12-2008, 10:51 AM
other than that he apparently somehow sucks even more than i thought, any idea why bell isn't getting the start?

The quasi-official word appears to be Boyd showed a lot more in practice than the other backs did.

IMO, the issue with Bell is hesitation. Hawking cell phones doesn't do much for your football awareness. If Boyd came in and flashed some decisive running, it would've been an easy decision for Shanahan.

jth1331
12-12-2008, 01:54 PM
What is this, like our 10th RB we've started this year?
Selvin Young
Michael Pittman
Ryan Torrain
Peyton Hillis
Cory Boyd

Did Hall ever get a start? Geez.

And defensively, I think we need to look at signing Julius Peppers or Terrell Suggs at DE, draft a MLB and S high in the draft. I think we can get a pretty solid safety in rounds 2 and 3 IMO.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-12-2008, 02:08 PM
Daryl Ga--... nope.
Jake Plu--no.
Ian Go--nope.
Rod Smith?

CT Bronco Fan
12-12-2008, 02:10 PM
i've already given up on signing anyone decent.

shanny will fall in love with another worthless player (see: dan graham) and dramatically overpay him while ignoring players with actual talent who end up signing for substantially less money. we'll probably give like, boss bailey a $12 million dollar a year extension because he's really effective in the role of chief tackle misser.

does anyone remember the last good free agent we signed?

Stokley? 10

jth1331
12-12-2008, 02:10 PM
i've already given up on signing anyone decent.

shanny will fall in love with another worthless player (see: dan graham) and dramatically overpay him while ignoring players with actual talent who end up signing for substantially less money. we'll probably give like, boss bailey a $12 million dollar a year extension because he's really effective in the role of chief tackle misser.

does anyone remember the last good free agent we signed?

John Lynch wasn't a bad free agent signing. He really helped the defense in 2005.
How about Casey Weigmann this year?
Brandon Stokley as well.

I just hope we don't look at signing a RB to a fat contract, like Jacobs. Hardly any FA RB has performed well in their new place.

rascal
12-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Graham was signed for 5 years I think.
And it isn't about just fielding the best LB's, they have to be able to play the position. And with that Woodyard at weakside, DJ at strongside is the best with Larsen at MLB IMO.

DJ has pretty much stated before he won't be playing strong side again.

rascal
12-12-2008, 03:29 PM
maybe he can fight winborn.

other than that he apparently somehow sucks even more than i thought, any idea why bell isn't getting the start?

Because Shanny has grown to love the power running game more and get consistent 4+ yards than the 1-2 yards most of the time and then the random 30-40 yard burst.

rascal
12-12-2008, 03:32 PM
i'd accept stokley. for some reason i was recalling that as a trade.

john lynch was an ok signing.

casey weigmann has been average, which is luckily all we've needed.

in either case, none of those three was a Big Signing. none, as I remember, got much money given injury histories or age.

as far as running backs, which ones are you referring to? most of the FA running backs have been past the 31 age barrier. i wouldn't mind picking up jacobs here and spending the draft on defense.

I think the FA pickups and drafting have improved over the years and especially more so with Sundquist being kicked to the curb.

Weigmann was an incredible signing I don't know what you are thinking about being average. If not for him I seriously doubt our line would be doing nearly as well given it's lack of experience. He owned Jenkins, and Jenkins even admitted to it.

The days of having a big signing are pretty much over anyway with the cap so high. Most who are signed are over the hill players who get overpaid.

jth1331
12-14-2008, 12:11 AM
*shrug*

ken hamlin, patrick kerney, and eric steinbach all would've been better uses of our money than dan graham.

the year before, brees, chester taylor, kevin walter, and steve hutchinson were all pretty good players.

and none of that even accounts for players where a trade would've been made.

i'm not suggesting we should've picked up any or all of those guys, just saying that there ARE solid players in free agency, and that if we're going to pull dumb**** moves like giving dan graham ****ing 6 million a season, we should at least direct that money to a DECENT player.

Yeah, lets just through guys out there who were way overpriced, coming off a severe injury or have shown just 1 year where they were worth the contract.
Kerney's on IR right now and probably on the downhill. Seattle probably got that 1 year from him last year, thats it.
Brees was coming off a severe injury and nobody knew what was going to happen with him.
Hutchinson, Steinbach both paid a ridiculous amount of money as a guard.

I do agree giving Graham that much is horrible, but stop complaining about it and bringing it up so much, geez.

jth1331
12-14-2008, 05:40 PM
you're right, our team is perfect, all the decisions were wonderful and mistakes have never been made. we, as fans, shouldn't complain about anything at all because the broncos might be the greatest franchise ever in any sport. :rolleyes:

When you bring it up in nearly every post, its over abundant.

And as for this team, the injuries are absolutely killing, especially at RB. We have NO running game now, and everybody will know it. Cutler can't win games by himself every week, as this week showed.

rascal
12-14-2008, 07:10 PM
The defense didn't play well, but when the offense scores only 10 points they didn't pull their weight.

Broncos were dominated today. Either the WRs couldn't get open or Cutler was off, probably both, but the pass offense was awful. Granted having no running attack didn't help but still. Cutler's inconsistency once again showed it's ugly head.

What was everyone's opinion of Barrett out there today? Besides that one missed tackle I thought he was probably the best player on defense today. Which is scary.

Clady played well I though. That's about all I can saw on offense.

jth1331
12-16-2008, 12:55 AM
The defense didn't play well, but when the offense scores only 10 points they didn't pull their weight.

Broncos were dominated today. Either the WRs couldn't get open or Cutler was off, probably both, but the pass offense was awful. Granted having no running attack didn't help but still. Cutler's inconsistency once again showed it's ugly head.

What was everyone's opinion of Barrett out there today? Besides that one missed tackle I thought he was probably the best player on defense today. Which is scary.

Clady played well I though. That's about all I can saw on offense.

Defense was the same old, same old. Did decent against the run IMO aside from that long TD run.
But this falls on the offense as well for not doing jack squat after the 1st quarter, and essentially gift wrapping 6 points for the Panthers.

barrett may have been ok. i had an extremely low opinion of the secondary in general. i'm about ready to release dre bly, who's, at best, a dime back at this point.

as an aside, watching the giants tonight, i'm realizing how often they blitz and how successful it is. which means shanny's probably not paying any attention.

The lack of blizting annoys me, and lack of creativity on defense annoys me. Its like a preseason defense out there. It amazes me how it is, and I don't think it will change until Shanahan is gone.

Vikes99ej
12-16-2008, 11:03 PM
How is Ryan Harris doing this year?

Vikes99ej
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
not bad. yes, i'm very nearly saying something good about the broncos. :eek:

harris isn't playing as well as clady obviously, but i'm very pleased.

OK, thanks, I was just reminded of him after I watched the True Life show of him on MTV last night. Glad to hear he's doing well, he's from Minnesota.

rascal
12-22-2008, 11:07 PM
I can't remember what my prediction was on the season, but I'm thinking it was probably 9-7. If you had told me at the beggining of the season that we would have 8 RBs on IR, all of our starting LBs missing at least 5 games, Champ out 8 games, and the safety position being in limbo the entire season and still have a chance the last week to finish 9-7 and be in the playoffs I would have called the season a victory.

But looking at it now, there are several things that piss me off. Yes we had our share of injuries, but all we needed was 1 victory out of 3 to get in and it doesn't look like we will get it. And yet again a Shanny coached team falls apart late in the season.

The defense has been a joke all year, and if anything key players have noticeably regressed. Every d-lineman, including Dumervile, has looked like a complete scrub. Every defensive back has looked like a complete scrub (sans Champ). Who is to blame for that?

If it's the defensive scheme or players who is to blame for that? At some point Shanny has got to be responsible for his choices/actions.

The man is smart on offense, but no genius, but he is an idiot when it comes to picking a defensive coaching let alone defense talent. And people harped at Coyer for not adapting during the game, but the same can be said for Shanny on offense. Great initial game planning, but after the defense adjusts the offense has become anemic time and time again.

jth1331
12-23-2008, 09:48 AM
I can't remember what my prediction was on the season, but I'm thinking it was probably 9-7. If you had told me at the beggining of the season that we would have 8 RBs on IR, all of our starting LBs missing at least 5 games, Champ out 8 games, and the safety position being in limbo the entire season and still have a chance the last week to finish 9-7 and be in the playoffs I would have called the season a victory.

But looking at it now, there are several things that piss me off. Yes we had our share of injuries, but all we needed was 1 victory out of 3 to get in and it doesn't look like we will get it. And yet again a Shanny coached team falls apart late in the season.

The defense has been a joke all year, and if anything key players have noticeably regressed. Every d-lineman, including Dumervile, has looked like a complete scrub. Every defensive back has looked like a complete scrub (sans Champ). Who is to blame for that?

If it's the defensive scheme or players who is to blame for that? At some point Shanny has got to be responsible for his choices/actions.

The man is smart on offense, but no genius, but he is an idiot when it comes to picking a defensive coaching let alone defense talent. And people harped at Coyer for not adapting during the game, but the same can be said for Shanny on offense. Great initial game planning, but after the defense adjusts the offense has become anemic time and time again.

I wouldn't say every defensive player looks like a scrub. Dre' Bly has looked okay, I really don't know why people rag on him so much.
The rookie LB's have played well, especially Woodyard.
Heck, I'd say Josh Bell, is that his name?, has played decently at CB. Not great, but heck not too shabby for an undrafted rookie.
The DL has been widely inconsistent though. Marcus Thomas is a decent DT I think, and Moss could become a decent DE. Dumervil has looked like crap this year though.
The biggest thing I think is the scheme though. We hardly blitz and play soft zones from what I can tell. Thus, results in easy completions.

it's weird, because this is almost exactly how i expected the team to look on the field, i just expected our record would be something like 4-12.... i guess i've been pleasantly (yes, really) surprised by a lot of things this season (eddie royal, ryan clady, ryan harris [who was trying to tell me he was a LT last off-season?]), and, as frustrating as it gets, the problems weren't unexpected.

*shrug*

i just hope that rivers doesn't win SD the game and cutler doesn't lose it for us. beyond that...

well, it's about time for hockey season. go wings.

With how our stats are, -14 or whatever in turnovers, bottom 5 defense, I'm amazed we are 8-7. Before the year I predicted 8-8/9-7, which they will meet in wins, but the thing is, they have played SOOOO poorly this year at times that its hard for me to be encouraged. I'm happy with the offensive progression from last year, but the defensive regression has been awful.
I mean, we lost 5 games by 2 scores, 3 games by 20 or more points. We have 6 wins by 4 points or less.

rascal
12-23-2008, 12:22 PM
I wouldn't say every defensive player looks like a scrub. Dre' Bly has looked okay, I really don't know why people rag on him so much.
The rookie LB's have played well, especially Woodyard.
Heck, I'd say Josh Bell, is that his name?, has played decently at CB. Not great, but heck not too shabby for an undrafted rookie.
The DL has been widely inconsistent though. Marcus Thomas is a decent DT I think, and Moss could become a decent DE. Dumervil has looked like crap this year though.
The biggest thing I think is the scheme though. We hardly blitz and play soft zones from what I can tell. Thus, results in easy completions.

I think the scheme is awful and I'd love to see Slowik, as well as the defensive line coach, get shown the door.

Sorry but I think Bly is about as inconsistent as the d-line.

Woodyard has played well but the problem is where to put him when DJ came back. I think him at SS is a horrible idea. And Larsen was not that good and more of a fan favorite than anything. He had poor pursuit and was out of position way to often.

Josh Bell was a pleasant surprise as well, Jack Williams though...ugh, but the problem of this defense is not the CBs. So his solid play doesn't contribute much.

I don't know if it's the scheme or what, but Moss, Dumervil, hell everyone has had no pass rush whatsoever. Something needs to change.

bergo23
12-23-2008, 05:06 PM
i just hope that rivers doesn't win SD the game and cutler doesn't lose it for us. beyond that...

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Resident SD Fan here, I know its easy to play into the ESPN made drama about Rivers vs. Cutler (clearly Cutler has).........but can't you admit Cutler is every bit as immature as Rivers?! I'd take Cutler's physical tools everyday of the week, but I'd take Rivers' intangibles on sundays.

My reason for the post is to get an intelligent response to why (besides being a Bronco fan) the hate on Rivers?!

Christmas came early on 12/21 for the Bolts, hopefully we can close the deal and host the Colts in the playoffs.

bergo23
12-23-2008, 06:13 PM
i don't think anyone has ever suggested otherwise.



*shrug* you can have him. it's not like cutler doesn't have poise in the 4th quarter.



rivalry? talking trash to our sideline last year? rivalry? why do we need a reason OTHER than being broncos fans? if the chiefs or raiders had a guy who was anywhere near as talented, i'd hate them, too.

What bugs me about that game last year, was Cutler STARTED the jawing, and it was Rivers and others RESPONSE to his whining that got played up by ESPN.......those Camera's didn't tell the whole story.

Cutler wasn't poised enough on 12/21 was he?! He also wasn't poised enough in the week 2 game, but got bailed out by Hochuli. We'll see sunday!!!!

Rivalry is enough, I am glad the Bolts are good enough since 2005 to start one with the Donkee's you guys ruled the west (along with a couple of Gruden's teams) B-4 that.

We haven't had anyone since Fouts (certainly NOT Brees) SD Fans can get excited about. The Ryan Leaf nightmare put us back 5 years.......Brees was nice, but he is no Rivers. Should be a great rivalry for years to come as Cutler is s stud, but I'd still rather have Philip.

bergo23
12-23-2008, 08:24 PM
[QUOTE=njx9;1384816]*shrug* maybe. i've only heard this from SD fans to this point (not that that doesn't make it true).



:rolleyes: did you even watch the game?

he was certainly poised enough to hit royal on the EXACT same play twice in a row to win the game. it's just too bad your defense had to rely on its fan's weak excuses.

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Yeah, I watched week 2 from Kickoff to final plays (you so keeny mentioned)....what you did not mention was the BONEHEAD, Jake the Fake like fumble that gave us the W. If you think SD Fans were the only ones making excuses the rest of the NFL outside YOUR fans know we got robbed. Heck even rational Bronco's fans I know without orange sunglasses could see that!

Funny you didn't mention Shanahan calling the same play twice in a row AGAIN last sunday. Cutler's missed Stokley twice when the AFC West was on the line..........same play overthrown twice, at least Jay was closer the second time, but Stokley couldn't hold on. Was that poised?

Poise is all in the eye of the beholder, until Cutler starts driving his team 98 yards in the playoffs, he will always be in the shadow of #7.

I'll be the first to tell you Cutler is more talented than Rivers, but that doesn't get you W's/AFC West Titles or Wins in the playoffs....Cutler is still behind Rivers in that department. You did pull even in Pro Bowls....but Favre over Rivers was a JOKE.

I am confident in saying Rivers will be the first to hoist the Lombardi, which is the most valued commodity when their careers are all over.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-23-2008, 09:06 PM
I think it's impossible to say who will hoist the Lombardi first... neither team is in super bowl shape right now, MAYBE Chargers next year with Merriman back, and I don't think there's THAT much separating them is players, although I'll be the first to admit Rivers is better right now.

Cutler's very good in the 4th Q most of the time, keep in mind he is a third year QB who has thrown the ball more than anyone besides Kurt Warner and Drew Brees, almost 38 times, the most by a 3rd year guy since Tom Brady, and before that, Peyton Manning(actually threw it more than Manning). Even this last week, Stokely had BOTH hands on the tying TD but failed to bring it in. That wasn't a great throw, but is on Stokely. The pick was a forced throw, not a good one, but things happen. Marshall fumbled away what would have been points, in all likelihood.

For examples on Cutler's poise, please see the Denver game last year against Pit, and Green Bay(haven't seen many games this year, but I guess ATL is a good one).
As for Cutler v. Rivers, they're both pompous jerks sometimes, maybe Cutler is a bigger one, but he has had more reason to be frustrated in his career. I mean, last sunday he was dealing with not being able to get the playcalls. That is frustrating. Plus he has been dealing with an inept defense, I really don't know how we are sitting here with 8 wins, a win or a tie away from the playoffs.

I picked us for 8-8 at the end of the season(I had us losing both SD games, but beating Buffalo) and thought it was being too optimistic. We'll see what happens. I'm more confident now than I was on Sunday night, I'd put it at 25% chance we win.

bergo23
12-23-2008, 09:51 PM
Appreciate the knowledge about Cutler....I hadn't seen those games you mentioned. Being a bolts fan, I only usually catch highlights of Bronco's games....games we play them, and of course I was VERY interested in the Buffalo game.

Cutler is scary in terms of talent, maybe even as much as Elway....and with Royal and that BEAST baby TO....what did he have 18 catches against us in week 2......silly (hopefully Cro won't embarrass himself again like he did against Marshall last time). Sheffler is legit, also Stokley outa the slot.

Don't know much about your Oline, except Clady, heard he shoulda been a Bowler like our young LT Mcneill did his first year. The domer, I know in name only.

Bottom line is the massive difference in talent on defense (I am hoping you don't find a safety or linebacker in 2009 draft!!!).........while we have underachieved, I do believe Rivera has us playing well enough to get it done on Sunday........then everybody is 0-0.

Giving Rivers some kudo's in terms of the Poise debate, check the 2006, 2008 games in Denver.......we got down 2 TD's plus in each game.....and in each he brought us back...........he wasn't too mad in 2007 either in Denver ;-)

I will be looking for that same poise again if Cutler gets hot on sunday and we get down. Is it 7:15 on sunday yet?! Rivers is far from mistake free: Kavika Mitchell got him in Buffalo this year as well......but compare any numbers you want Rivers wins this years battles....hopefully setting up years of rivalry games to come!!!!

rascal
12-24-2008, 10:53 AM
The fact that the chargers want to pin their disappointing performance on the injury to Merriman is laughable. If Tom Brady can't cause that much of a difference on the Patriots, then Merriman sure as hell shouldn't cause that much of a difference for the chargers. Fact is that the Chargers are on the decline, see LT and Jamal Williams as an example, and their window is closing. They are still a good team, but not near the strength they were previously.

Rivers is a punk and while a good QB, Cutler has him beat in almost every catagory (except maturity I'd say). If Cutler hadn't lost 8 freaking RBs this year to keep defenses even remotely honest his stats / performance would have been better. It's hard to come up with an effective game plan or passing attack when the opposing defense knows you can't run the ball effectively and basically play a nickel / dime against you every play.

No fourth quarter poise? I guess fourth quarter comebacks this year against the Browns, KC, and Atlanta don't count???

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-28-2008, 09:16 PM
Can we cut the whole defense except Champ yet?

Oh and fire Shanahan and whoever is calling our plays.

Diehard
12-28-2008, 09:36 PM
Can we cut the whole defense except Champ yet?

Why leave Champ out of the fun? He's pretty much done anyway and doesn't really bring much in terms of leadership.

Oh and fire Shanahan and whoever is calling our plays.

Little boy Bates? What, you don't like seeing yet another WR screen fail?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-28-2008, 09:53 PM
Why leave Champ out of the fun? He's pretty much done anyway and doesn't really bring much in terms of leadership.



Little boy Bates? What, you don't like seeing yet another WR screen fail?

I still think Champ is the best CB in the league when healthy. Problem is, he's having trouble doing that cuz we leave him in coverage so long and he's our best defender.

And I'd prefer seeing plays that go vertically, especially when that's our strength.

Diehard
12-28-2008, 10:27 PM
I take that back. DJ, Dumervil and Champ might actually have trade value.

The scary thing is that all three of these guys are overrated to some degree. DJ is the worst offender, Dumervil is really just a role player and you can pretty much count on Champ to be dinged up or out for half the season.

Diehard
12-29-2008, 12:22 AM
our coaching staff needs to go. unless shanny can suddenly remember what he did over a decade ago, and unless guys like gibbs and kubiak decide to come back, the broncos aren't getting much better.

Apparently, Shanahan indicated that Slowik would remain as DC for the 2009 season. I'm in denial that this could even be a possibility.

Diehard
12-29-2008, 12:48 AM
what in the name of holy ******* **** for? because he ran the league's most inept unit? if true, i may actually stop watching the broncos until shanahan is fired in protest. that's beyond ******* belief.

If the report is true, then it simply confirms that Slowik is just Shanahan's stooge. If Shanny's calling all the shots, and everyone in the organization knows it, then firing Slowik doesn't really do much to deflect the blame.

rascal
12-29-2008, 12:30 PM
Well that was fun...ugh. At least we get a #12 draft pick.

I'd love to sign Asomugah, Otogwe, and Canty in FA. And dumping Bly would be a dream come true. Draft the best MLB available in the first round, RB in ound 2, and then best defensive playe through out the rest of the draft. Trading DJ is fine with me. His performance has steadily declined IMO and last nights peformance was the worst I've seen. Schefter was on the radio earlier and said that Bly is done and would have a hard time finding a place to play next year. If we trade DJ and cut Bly we will have a lot of cap room (currently have 30 mil) to make some FA moves.

I also think Slowik needs to be canned, but it looks like he won't. What we could use is a d-line coach and a better strength/conditioning coach.

Next years starting lineup on defense:
DE Canty
DT Robertson
DT Thomas
DE Dumevile, Moss
WLB Woodyard
MLB Rookie
SLB rookie or some combo of Boss,Winbon, or Webster (maybe FA but doubt it)
CB Bailey
CB Asomugah
S Otogwe
S Barrett


Offense:
QB Cutler
RB Rookie, Torain, whoever is healthy after this year
FB Hillis
WR Marshall
WR Royal
TE Graham/Scheffle
OT Clady
OG Hamilton
C Wiegmann
OG Kuper
OT Harris

scottyboy
12-29-2008, 12:48 PM
guys, is the D being terrible more Shanny or your DC's fault? I love Shanny and hope to see him stay and do well, just wondering if he's losing his mind or something...

Diehard
12-29-2008, 01:29 PM
regardless, like him or not, he's no longer a capable coach in the nfl. would that change if he lost all GM duties? i don't believe it, but maybe.

Of course, Bowlen hasn't shown he has the balls to force the issue with Shanahan... probably afraid that Shanny would just resign instead.

Slowik is just a patsy in all of this. He's been overpromoted because he's a yes man and the players (Champ, in particular) apparently like him... traits that are entirely useless for the rebuilding project we have on our hands. I'm concerned about the lack of objectivity, the unwillingness to make the tough cuts and the inability to evaluate defensive talent needed to lay the foundation for the future.

Diehard
12-29-2008, 11:02 PM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/29/broncos-offseason-begins/

Slowik apparently has no answers for the utter failure of the defense. It's a ******* disgrace. I don't care if he's a stooge, he needs to go.

I am now convinced that Shanahan thinks he can win it all with offense alone. Watch us defy all expectations/sanity and go for more firepower (RB, receiver and interior OL) early in the draft.

Diehard
12-30-2008, 12:16 AM
i think i said it here before (and not just out loud to people who probably looked at me funny), but it honestly wouldn't bother me that much. shanny can't draft defense. pure and simple. so at least if we take all offense in the draft, there's a better chance of us taking good players. although we certainly run the risk of taking more claretts...

That would pretty much be the definition of "making the best of a bad situation"... and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it happened.

Of course the defense would get a few bones thrown its way (say safety in round 2 or 3, then DL/LB help in the late rounds and UFA)... just enough so they can make the claim to be "reloading" the defense. Add in a few bargain basement defensive FA's and we're on our way...

the decider13
12-30-2008, 10:43 AM
I bet Shanahan takes Chris Wells and Hakeem Nicks...I don't know what to say about them not canning Slowik. That would be like finding out the Lions resigned their coach, and gave him a promotion.

CC.SD
12-30-2008, 01:07 PM
The fact that the chargers want to pin their disappointing performance on the injury to Merriman is laughable. If Tom Brady can't cause that much of a difference on the Patriots, then Merriman sure as hell shouldn't cause that much of a difference for the chargers. Fact is that the Chargers are on the decline, see LT and Jamal Williams as an example, and their window is closing. They are still a good team, but not near the strength they were previously.

Rivers is a punk and while a good QB, Cutler has him beat in almost every catagory (except maturity I'd say). If Cutler hadn't lost 8 freaking RBs this year to keep defenses even remotely honest his stats / performance would have been better. It's hard to come up with an effective game plan or passing attack when the opposing defense knows you can't run the ball effectively and basically play a nickel / dime against you every play.

No fourth quarter poise? I guess fourth quarter comebacks this year against the Browns, KC, and Atlanta don't count???

Just to address some stuff:

-Merriman's absence wasn't the only reason our D was so awful, but it sure helped. No pass pressure in the first half of the season at all led to QBs from all over the place picking us apart. After Cottrell was fired, it was released that he had made no adjustments to deal with Merriman's departure. None...just inserted Jyles Tucker.

I like Tucker, but ultimately, gimme a break. Under Rivera, we are still pretty bad, but not atrocious.

As for Rivers v. Cutler, well everyone seems to be happy with their guy, so why not leave it at that? I do have to admit there's a certain satisfaction to Cutler outing himself as a pretty immature young guy.

Nothing says "Baby" like whining and demanding an apology from the guy who called you a baby, over a year after the fact. At a certain point...get over it, ya know? It's football.

Diehard
12-30-2008, 01:41 PM
Just to address some stuff:

Were you waiting to make sure you won the game before responding to these comments?

Anyway, Rivers and Cutler is a wash, both are good QB's and the banter only helps the rivalry. As far as the decline in SD's defense goes, well, I'm not going to comment - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Safe to say that I'd happily take anything over the piece of **** defense that Denver is putting out on the field.

bergo23
12-30-2008, 02:15 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...-cutler-a-punk

This is no Charger article either.....I chimed in before sunday, and may chime in again if we beat Indy. The reason SD chimed in and made those comments was because Cutler made himself look WORSE with those comments he made after the game, and before the game about Rivers.

The Bronco's were unbeatable with Terrell Davis/Elway combo, if you can fix the D.....Cutler/Baby TO and company will give us a run for the AFC west, but not until. I sure hope you guys don't get Sproles in the offseason, he has killed you guys!!!!

CC.SD
12-30-2008, 03:06 PM
Were you waiting to make sure you won the game before responding to these comments?

Anyway, Rivers and Cutler is a wash, both are good QB's and the banter only helps the rivalry. As far as the decline in SD's defense goes, well, I'm not going to comment - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Safe to say that I'd happily take anything over the piece of **** defense that Denver is putting out on the field.

I wasn't even talking trash, I bashed the SD defense and then called a split between Rivers and Cutler.

And yah, I had to wait til after the game to address the comments made by Cutler during the broadcast. You got me.

Anyone can see Denver has plenty of talent, and I'm a football fan so I like watching them. It'll never interfere with my SD worship, but I usually do my best not to be a hater.

Diehard
12-30-2008, 04:38 PM
I wasn't even talking trash, I bashed the SD defense and then called a split between Rivers and Cutler.

... and I didn't think you were talking trash. You actually sounded quite reasonable.

And yah, I had to wait til after the game to address the comments made by Cutler during the broadcast. You got me.

The reason I mentioned that was because you were responding to a post from last week.

Anyone can see Denver has plenty of talent, and I'm a football fan so I like watching them.

We have talent on the offensive side of the ball, no question about it. The rest is ****.

It'll never interfere with my SD worship, but I usually do my best not to be a hater.

Fair enough.

Diehard
12-30-2008, 04:47 PM
Glad they moved quickly on this so the new coach can get ready to rebuild the D.

Diehard
12-30-2008, 04:56 PM
any ideas who? there isn't really anyone out there who gets me excited...

The thought of Bill Parcells' road show jumping ship from Miami to come to Denver doesn't make your spine tingle? <grin>

Actually, I have an odd feeling one of our old enemies is going to end up taking the GM role...

Geo
12-30-2008, 05:00 PM
As much as grief as I gave Shanny and the grief he gave Broncos fans, this feels incredibly weird. I couldn't believe the news when I heard it from the kitchen. End of an era.

Whoever's next better take good care of and build around Jay Cutler. He is the franchise.

Bruce Banner
12-30-2008, 05:01 PM
Raheem Morris for HC.

Do it.

CT Bronco Fan
12-30-2008, 05:04 PM
Cowher or Bust!

Diehard
12-30-2008, 06:32 PM
schottenheimer? if his offensive style weren't so contrary to what denver has, i probably really wouldn't mind that.

As GM, that's less important. The coaching staff can still run the zone scheme. However, in terms of evaluating defensive talent Schottenheimer would be a big upgrade.

A bunch of Patriots could also wind up here - Piolo as GM, Josh McDaniels as HC and Crennel as DC. The switch to a 3-4 would be painful, but a wholesale change in defensive personnel is probably needed anyway.

Ah, isn't speculation fun? In any case, I don't think we'll need to wait too long... I suspect Bowlen already has a pretty good idea who he wants to bring in.

Geo
12-30-2008, 06:38 PM
Return of the Orange Crush? ;)

bigbluedefense
12-30-2008, 06:39 PM
Stay away from Spagnuolo, who is perfect for your team.

k? thnx.

Geo
12-30-2008, 06:44 PM
I'm guessing because the offensive personnel, other than probably RB, is already in place? And the Broncos have young pass-rushers like Elvis Dumervil, Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas?

Maybe BBD was speaking in more general terms though. Wouldn't hurt to hire Spags, that's for sure.

bigbluedefense
12-30-2008, 06:45 PM
why do you say that? i don't actually know anything about the guy

1. he's originally from Philly. he will bring a philly guy with him and keep the WCO intact, which your offense is perfect for.

2. he's great at getting the most out of a defense. you have man corners, and thats about it, but he can make the most of it, and with a solid draft, will make that defense very respectable.

within 2 years i expect him to get that defense to become a top 10 unit.

you have a good pass rusher in Dumerville, your LBs aren't all that bad, they just need some fine tuning, you have a shutdown corner, Spags can make it work. since the offense doesn't need anything really, he can dedicate the whole draft to building up his defense.

and he's very good at not being stubborn and adjusting to the personnel he has. he's perfect.

bigbluedefense
12-30-2008, 06:46 PM
I'm guessing because the offensive personnel, other than probably RB, is already in place? And the Broncos have young pass-rushers like Elvis Dumervil, Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas?

Maybe BBD was speaking in more general terms though. Wouldn't hurt to hire Spags, that's for sure.

pretty much on the nose.

bigbluedefense
12-30-2008, 06:49 PM
do you guys honestly still call champ a shutdown corner? after the last game, i'm ready to put him at FS a la rod woodson. maybe it's injuries, but he doesn't seem to have "it" anymore.

either way, i like the sound of the guy... hopefully bowlen reads the boards =P

even if he's not, think about it, Spags will have the entire draft to build his defense.

he can make your LBs work, LBs aren't that important in his system.

you have pass rushers, who Spags will no doubt get the most out of.

he just needs to beef up the secondary. and perhaps the dline, depending on how much he can squeeze out of the current talent. and he'll have a whole draft to do it.

Diehard
12-30-2008, 06:55 PM
2. he's great at getting the most out of a defense. you have man corners, and thats about it, but he can make the most of it, and with a solid draft, will make that defense very respectable.

I think Denver will be a nice draw for any defensive minded HC / GM candidates, despite our current defensive problems, simply because we can afford to use most of the offseason (draft, FA) on defense. That's going to give someone the chance to really mould the defense to their liking.

I'm leaning more to the NE connection as the stronger possibility, but Spagnuolo's attacking D scheme would certainly be a welcome sight in Denver...

CT Bronco Fan
12-30-2008, 10:12 PM
Interesting to see who we hire. I would imagine the Broncos job would be the most coveted at the moment, maybe the Jets giving us a run for that distinction. However, I can't see any already established coach really wanting to follow Shanahan, So that would rule out Cowher. I also don't think any of the "highly" considered coordinators would want to follow Shanahan either, so that would rule out Spagnolo McDaniels and Garret.

Cutler came out today in an interview and sounded like he was pretty pissed with the firing. Hopefully we don't end up with some clown like Mangini, will be interesting to see what happens.

PACKmanN
12-30-2008, 10:15 PM
what are the chances that the Broncos release Rick Dennison?

CT Bronco Fan
12-30-2008, 10:19 PM
what are the chances that the Broncos release Rick Dennison?

He was one of "Shanny's Guys" so that would entirely depend on if they promote from within, or if they hire someone from outside. Denninson was really just our O-line coach, despite his title. Jeremy Bates ran the offense this year.

PACKmanN
12-30-2008, 10:26 PM
He was one of "Shanny's Guys" so that would entirely depend on if they promote from within, or if they hire someone from outside. Denninson was really just our O-line coach, despite his title. Jeremy Bates ran the offense this year.
that is what I want, he would become the Packers' o-line coach. Do you guys think he has some credit to the success of the ZBS in Denver? He has been there since 1995 so he must have done something.

CT Bronco Fan
12-30-2008, 10:58 PM
that is what I want, he would become the Packers' o-line coach. Do you guys think he has some credit to the success of the ZBS in Denver? He has been there since 1995 so he must have done something.

I imagine he would have some knowledge of running a ZBS, although I would much rather have Alex Gibbs back.

Diehard
12-31-2008, 12:23 AM
I also don't think any of the "highly" considered coordinators would want to follow Shanahan either, so that would rule out Spagnolo McDaniels and Garret.

The shadow of Shanahan isn't that daunting... especially if you are defensive coach. If you think you can rebuild the ruined defense, this is the best job available in the NFL right now.

Geo
12-31-2008, 12:48 AM
I think it's just fine following Shanahan, especially when the table is now set on offense: Cutler/WRs/TEs/OL. They just need a RB or two, they even have a kicker, otherwise the focus is all on the defense. And there are some pieces on the defensive line that Shanahan brought in (Dumervil, Moss, Crowder, Thomas, Powell) who haven't yet flourished as a whole.

CT Bronco Fan
12-31-2008, 11:30 AM
Live feed of the Bowlen / Shanny presser, starting in about 30 min if anyone is interested in watching

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=349&videoID=2816&type=broncosTV&year=&month=

As a side, I hope we hire a new coach soon, the anxiety is killing me

CT Bronco Fan
12-31-2008, 12:43 PM
Bowlen said in the presser, ALL coaches will be let go. and ALL of the personnel department will remain.

I really hope he reconsiders and at least keeps Bates and Turner on the offensive staff.

Diehard
12-31-2008, 01:56 PM
Bowlen said in the presser, ALL coaches will be let go. and ALL of the personnel department will remain.

He worded it a little more carefully than that... something like, he didn't "anticipate" any of the coaching staff would stay.

However...

That's really just setting things up to allow the new Head Coach to make the decision, which is 100% the right thing to do. Also, I heard on the radio that Bowlen okayed Jeremy Bates contract extension a few days ago... so he's not cruelly being thrown out the door.

Another interesting point was that Bowlen indicated he was looking specifically for a coach, and wasn't thinking about a GM at this time. Perhaps the power situation with Shanahan has taught him a lesson?

CT Bronco Fan
01-01-2009, 05:54 PM
SPAGNUOLO TO INTERVIEW WITH BRONCOS

Posted by Mike Florio on January 1, 2009, 1:45 p.m. EST

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo will interview on Saturday for the unexpected head-coaching vacancy in Denver.

It will be, per Glazer, an “informal” interview, due to the fact that Spagnuolo has committed to other interviews during the Giants’ playoff bye week.

Spagnuolo has interviewed and/or will interview with the Lions, Browns, and Jets. Last year, he was considered for the Redskins’ job, but opted not to leave New York.

Glazer also reports that the Broncos will interview Bucs defensive coordinator Raheem Morris on Monday.

Since former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan held full authority over the roster and, as a practical matter, the personnel side of the operation, it remains to be seen whether Broncos owner Pat Bowlen hires a G.M. and a head coach, or a head coach who will operate with the same degree of control as Shanahan enjoyed.

The challenge of hiring a G.M. and a head coach is that it can get pricey — especially with a reported total of $21 million owed to Shanahan over the next three years.

~~

CT Bronco Fan
01-01-2009, 07:03 PM
i really dislike the morris interview.

It sounds to me more like Bowlen is just trying to get the minority interview out of the way from the Rooney Rule.

CT Bronco Fan
01-02-2009, 09:52 AM
ENGLEWOOD — Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said the process of finding a new coach would begin quickly with the arrival of the new year Thursday.

He meant what he said.

The Broncos moved quickly on New Year's Day, locking up interviews with three NFL assistants as well as making a preliminary move to contact University of Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops.

Bowlen could not be reached for comment on any of the day's events.

But the Broncos have finalized meetings with New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, newly named Tampa Bay defensive coordinator and former secondary coach Raheem Morris and New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.

Spagnuolo will be the first to interview for the Broncos job since Mike Shanahan was fired Tuesday, with a meeting set for Saturday with Broncos officials.

Morris, who Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden recently promoted to replace the departed Monte Kiffin to run Tampa Bay's defense, will meet with the Broncos on Monday.

Also Thursday, the Broncos made preliminary moves toward Stoops, whose team will play Thursday in the Bowl Championship Series title game in Miami.

Wednesday, in his lone public appearance since Shanahan's firing, Bowlen continued to express the Broncos' job would be attractive to prospective coaches because of the offensive performance this season and the youth of the roster.

"This job . . . this is a very highly thought-of job and I expect to get a very good head coach. . . . I want him to be a 10 in every area," he said.

That appears to be the case in securing an interview with Spagnuolo, who will be the first in line for the Broncos because of rules regarding assistant coaches with teams in the playoffs.

When interviewing a coach with a team that has a first-round bye, as the Giants do, the Broncos are facing a Sunday deadline.

After that, assistants with playoff teams can be interviewed only after their teams are knocked out of the playoffs or in the week immediately after the conference championship games if their teams advance to the Super Bowl.

Because of that Sunday deadline, the Broncos aren't expected to interview Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz - the Titans have a bye this weekend so he will not be in the first wave of their interviews.

But Spagnuolo is a popular target around the league.

He spoke with the Browns on Thursday, is scheduled to interview with the New York Jets on Saturday and the Detroit Lions also have asked for, and received, permission to interview Spagnuolo at some point.

He moved the Broncos interview to Saturday evening despite the team being the last one of the four to contact him.

Because of the interview with the Jets and the Giants' preparations for their playoff game in a little more than a week, the Broncos will interview Spagnuolo in the New York area.

The Broncos are expected to interview McDaniels on the same trip as their interview with Spagnuolo.

The Redskins made a significant push to get Spagnuolo after the Giants' Super Bowl win against the previously undefeated Patriots in February, with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder bringing Spagnuolo to his estate for two days.

But Spagnuolo elected to stay with the Giants.

Giants players routinely have lauded Spagnuolo's preparation and the Giants finished fifth in defense during the regular season despite defensive end Michael Strahan's retirement and the loss of defensive end Osi Umenyiora to a season-ending injury early in the year.

Morris just was promoted by the Buccaneers to replace Kiffin, the team's longtime defensive coordinator who left to coach with his son Lane at the University of Tennessee.

A personality many in the league say people just gravitate to, Morris will be a popular head coaching candidate, several general managers predict, in the coming years if he is not hired by the Broncos.

The Buccaneers were second in the NFC against the pass this season and fourth in the league.

For his part, Stoops, who visited Broncos training camp during the summer with his coaching staff, is a known quantity to Bowlen.

But his contract at the football powerhouse averages about $3 million a year, and he will earn $6 million this year because of a $3 million bonus for staying at the school 10 seasons that kicked in on New Year's Day.

Bowlen is an Oklahoma graduate and he did spend some time with Stoops during the visit in August. The Broncos had not had any direct contact with Stoops as of Thursday, but they were making overtures to his representatives.

It is unlikely Stoops, who also was considered for the Redskins job last year, would consider an interview before his team faces Florida at Dolphin Stadium.

The Broncos also have discussed Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier and could seek permission to speak with him once he is available to interview. The Vikings play host to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday in an NFC wild- card game.

Because of the league's Rooney Rule, the Broncos have to interview at least one minority candidate for the job and the league would prefer more than one is considered.

Jimmy
01-02-2009, 11:58 AM
edgerrin james (assuming he has a good postseason,) might be a hot commodity, as he just asked for a trade

if you remember, we tried to pursue him in 2006, but we were obv. outbid by the cards. What do you think about Edge running in a 2 back system for us? The upside is he recently showed he still has a burst last game of the season, however the down side is why take a back that has had his fair share on injuries when we just put 7 guys on I.R.?

How about a durable guy like LaGarrette Blount in the 2nd round?

CT Bronco Fan
01-02-2009, 02:04 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=1928&line=137069&spln=1

The Broncos have requested permission to interview Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett for their head-coaching vacancy.

Owner Pat Bowlen's plate is filling up and it's unknown when he'll interview Garrett. The league's highest paid coordinator, Garrett oversaw a Dallas offense in 2008 that took a step back after finishing No. 3 overall the year prior. Garrett turned down the Lions, but Denver is a far more attractive job

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-02-2009, 04:14 PM
I don't really want another old runningback here. I'd rather address it in the 2nd round unless we can get a great value with our first pick. With our schedule next year, this is a 2 year turnaround minimum, we can't afford a 30 year old RB.

neko4
01-02-2009, 07:26 PM
Hey just seeing if anyone would like to join the new Forum Mock.
Right now nobody has signed up to be the GM of the Broncos and there is also an expansion team in this forum mock. So go check it out. Signups are scheduled to end Sunday night.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28445

CT Bronco Fan
01-04-2009, 09:46 PM
Looks like we're going to be hiring McDaniels, Bowlen has moved the interview with Morris from Wednesday to Tomorrow, apparently so he can get the minority interview over with to hire his candidate. I was really hopeful for Spagnuolo, but it looks like we're getting McDaniels.

Cunningham
01-05-2009, 02:26 PM
Looks like we're going to be hiring McDaniels, Bowlen has moved the interview with Morris from Wednesday to Tomorrow, apparently so he can get the minority interview over with to hire his candidate.
if that's the case, then why are we interviewing leslie frazier?

i wonder how long it will take people to learn that belichick's assistants do not make good head coaches.
no kidding. mangini, crennel, weis.... this has bad news written all over it.

Diehard
01-05-2009, 02:34 PM
i wonder how long it will take people to learn that belichick's assistants do not make good head coaches.

So far, that has been true. However McDaniels is a different kind of coaching prospect than, say, Romeo Crennell. He needs to be judged on his own merits.

I believe he could do great things with our offense and comes from enough of a team-focused enviroment to know the importance of bringing in a veteran DC to help him establish the new regime. The change to 3-4 (likely, considering the Patriots connection) could be interesting... certainly a good way to clear the dead wood out of the defensive roster.

Number 10
01-05-2009, 03:20 PM
I've been told by someone that knows Spags personally that he is going to choose from one of these 3 options.

Broncos
Jets
Giants DC

Spags did not tell him that himself, but I just thought I would pass it along to you guys from someone that is close with him.

Diehard
01-05-2009, 04:10 PM
*crosses fingers*

Spagnuolo certainly seems like the best fit when you consider our need (defense) and personnel (4-3). It also has the potential to keep more of our existing offensive coaches in place, while killing off the crap we have running the D.

That being said, I'm still fine with McDaniels if that's the way it turns out. Either way, I think we'll see a stronger set of coordinators get put into place which should help in terms of restoring the power balance (which is something that definitely went awry during the later years of Shanahan's tenure).

bigbluedefense
01-05-2009, 07:17 PM
If I were Spags, its a no brainer.

I think its btw the Broncos and Giants DC for him. I hope and pray he stays, but he's as good as gone.

At least he's going to a team I like.

Bruce Banner
01-05-2009, 07:24 PM
Raheem Morris for HC.

Do it.

I posted this in the coaching thread earlier.

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8191104&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
“What people don’t realize is that when coaches go into these kind of interviews they aren’t doing a power point presentation of their resumes; they are presenting and impressing with their philosophies. Sometimes they will be asked to draw up there X’s and O’s on the white board and explain their theoretical game plans and strategies,” said another NFL agent who wished not to be cited as well.
“Morris can go in there and blow the socks off the Broncos with all that alone. He’s a football guy with an untouchable connection to the players of today; and from what I hear, they need a man just like Morris in Denver. They don’t need a cookie cutter to solve that mess of a performance they had in San Diego, “ the same agent continued.

“Are you [edit] me? If anyone can change that organization it’s him. This guy is a forward thinker. He is qualified in the sense of giving a team a fresh look,” said Simeon Rice a former Bronco and Buccaneer.

“Are you for real? That would be a good look,” said Broncos running back Andre Hall.


wtf?

“Please, I don’t care if Colorado voted for Barack Obama, this is and will always be a Republican state. There is not going to be a black face as the head of our team. You know how they play these politics,” said an offensive starter who asked not to be named.

TitanHope
01-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Hey guys! I'm participating in the forum mock that Neko4 posted earlier in the thread about, and I chose the Broncos. I'm gonna be doing everything from coach selection, roster moves, FA signings, and drafting. I have an idea of what I want to do, but I'd love the opinion of Broncos fans as I haven't watched many Broncos games this season.

Most importantly, are there any Broncos FA's that ya'll are passionate about re-signing? Jamie Winborn? Ebenezar Ekuban? Kenny Peterson? Tom Nalen? Marlon McCree (I've put up Marquand Manuel in the expansion team's draft)? Those five are the ones I'm most intrigued about, but any opinions about lesser known players like Paymah would be great too.

Diehard
01-07-2009, 12:24 AM
Winborn is still under contract in 2009. Webster is the FA. The "pile of crap" assessment still fits just fine.

Ekuban is the only every-down DE we have. He's mediocre at best, but we're so hurting at that position that I expect he'll stick around.

UFA's worth resigning if they come cheap:

DE Ebenezer Ekuban
CB Karl Paymah
DT Kenny Peterson
RB Michael Pittman (assuming the old guy has something left)

The rest need to be ditched.

TitanHope
01-07-2009, 08:51 PM
who are the upcoming FAs?

winborn is a pile of crap. ekuban... meh. i wouldn't bother. i'd probably keep peterson for cheap, rotational stuff. nalen doesn't seem likely to return. mccree is worse than winborn. paymah's a decent dime guy, but i don't see much more from him.

depending on your coaching moves, i'd have various suggestions in the draft. if it's an offensive coach, i'd almost certainly go running back, assuming wells is there. if it's a defensive coach, i'd personally go with mays->linebacker->DT as the first round pick, though it'd be difficult to go wrong with S or LBer either way. i personally think DT is a mid-round pick, but others may have different opinions (or a higher opinion of the DT talent in the draft). interior OL is a mid-round need.

further, were i denver's GM, i'd look hard at throwing money at haynesworth (as much as it may pain you personally as a titans fan) or peppers, were they to become available. also keep in mind that dre bly is a nickel back at best, though a scheme that generates pressure and gives safety help might make him a legit starter again.

also, keep in mind that basically no matter what you do, there's a good chance i'll violently disagree with it. =P

Right now, each team is putting up 4 players into a pool for the expansion team to choose from. If a team's player gets picked, the salary and cap hit are lifted from that team and placed on the expansion team. I put up Marquand Manuel, Daniel Graham, Brandon Stokley, and Jamie Winborn up for eligibility. After the expansion team has chosen, we'll place tenders on RFA's and place the franchise tag on a player if we choose. After that point is where FA starts.

I plan on going after a defensive coach. I don't think I'll go after a 3-4 coordinator like Rex Ryan, as that won't do any good in a game that just looks at the short term, so I'm thinking about Steve Spagnuolo or Jim Schwartz. I think Spagnuolo's scheme would be better suited to compliment Denver's offesne than Schwartz's would be, though.

As for the draft, it really depends on who I go after in FA. I may be a Titans fan, but I want Haynesworth on my team, which is the Broncos in this case. But, I'll pass on the huge contract for players under the radar who combined may help the team more. I'm aiming for Mays in the draft, and then going BPA relevant to positional need in the rounds afterwards.

Lol, I don't mind if ya disagree with me. I don't exactly consider myself a Broncos expert. :)

CT Bronco Fan
01-07-2009, 10:49 PM
just preparing you... just ask CT, and he did better than shanny probably would have.

it's true Titan, You can Hire Spags, End up signing Peppers, and Haynesworth, and then draft Mays in the first, and get Spikes to drop to you in the 2nd. And he would complain you didn't help the offense. =)

Chris
01-09-2009, 02:15 AM
Ya'll better know whatcha doin'. I'm like Christmas baby, I only comin' around once a year. Betta stay on your grind homies. For real.

TitanHope
01-09-2009, 01:29 PM
it's true Titan, You can Hire Spags, End up signing Peppers, and Haynesworth, and then draft Mays in the first, and get Spikes to drop to you in the 2nd. And he would complain you didn't help the offense. =)

Lol, oh I know. I've had conversations with njx before. :D

Speaking of the offense, which RB's do you guys like in the Draft, particularly in the 2nd RD? I'm debating on signing a solid but unspectacular RB in FA, and drafting one like Shonn Green in the 2nd RD.

CT Bronco Fan
01-09-2009, 02:05 PM
Lol, oh I know. I've had conversations with njx before. :D

Speaking of the offense, which RB's do you guys like in the Draft, particularly in the 2nd RD? I'm debating on signing a solid but unspectacular RB in FA, and drafting one like Shonn Green in the 2nd RD.

I may be alone in my thinking, but I don't really see RB as an early round need. I absolutely love the stable of RB's we already have, especially Hillis, Torain, and Pittman, our backfield is already very crowded, and with all of the needs we have on defense, I don't think there's any reason to draft a RB that early.

TitanHope
01-09-2009, 02:41 PM
I may be alone in my thinking, but I don't really see RB as an early round need. I absolutely love the stable of RB's we already have, especially Hillis, Torain, and Pittman, our backfield is already very crowded, and with all of the needs we have on defense, I don't think there's any reason to draft a RB that early.

and for the record, i don't love an early round (or even late round) rb, now that we may have someone who can competently draft defensive players.

I believe many of ya'lls RB's are FA's. Michael Pittman, Andre Hall, and Tatum Bell are for sure. I believe PJ Pope, Andrew Pinnock, Alex Haynes, and Cory Boyd are too as their contracts were undisclosed. So only Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Peyton Hillis, and Anthony Aldridge are set to return. If ya'lls opinions on those guys are high, then I'd agree that RB isn't a big draft need.

Chris
01-09-2009, 04:32 PM
If you aren't interested in Denver getting a running back, you obviously have a problem.

Vikes99ej
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
i really like javon ringer. i don't fully understand why.

and for the record, i don't love an early round (or even late round) rb, now that we may have someone who can competently draft defensive players.

That's so weird. I was watching the bowl game against Georgia, and I was wondering what would stop the Broncos from taking a flier on him. He looks like a nice, physical runner who can handle a lot of carries. Hmmmm. I don't know.

Diehard
01-09-2009, 04:45 PM
So only Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Peyton Hillis, and Anthony Aldridge are set to return. If ya'lls opinions on those guys are high, then I'd agree that RB isn't a big draft need.

Young - okay speed, indecisive runner at times, often nicked up
Torain - runs with power, seems to enjoy season-ending injuries
Aldridge - flyweight who's one step away from a life-ending injury

Hillis is the only one who's really shown he can be a significant contributor the offense. His inside running combined with our passing attack is tough to defend against (see the Jets game).

So, yes, RB is a draft-day / FA need.

Diehard
01-09-2009, 04:46 PM
That's so weird. I was watching the bowl game against Georgia, and I was wondering what would stop the Broncos from taking a flier on him. He looks like a nice, physical runner who can handle a lot of carries. Hmmmm. I don't know.

Yes, he does look like a good fit for the Broncos. I like the word "reliable" to describe him... which is exactly what our running game needs to bring to the table in order to complement the passing attack.

Vikes99ej
01-09-2009, 08:16 PM
Hey guys, what is the verdict on Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder? I really liked Crowder coming out in the 2007 draft.

Namy
01-10-2009, 10:38 AM
I don't really like the senior RBs coming out other than Jeremiah Johnson. If the juniors come out I like Knowshon Moreno and Beanie Wells... but they're obvious first round talents and we have bigger needs to address there.

I'm just hoping for Taylor Mays... but any linebacker from USC would satisfy me too... like Maluagua or Cushing. Maybe even Matthews, too.

jCut
01-10-2009, 11:03 AM
I may be alone in my thinking, but I don't really see RB as an early round need. I absolutely love the stable of RB's we already have, especially Hillis, Torain, and Pittman, our backfield is already very crowded, and with all of the needs we have on defense, I don't think there's any reason to draft a RB that early.

I agree 100%. I also liked what I saw from Anthony Alridge during training camp and in the preseason. We need to focus on defense and get as many new starters in here as possible.

Chris
01-10-2009, 12:10 PM
i'm more interested in denver having someone who can tackle the other team's running back before he gets 7 yards a carry.

Why present a false dilemma? Denver can adequately address their defensive needs and add playmakers to to the offense. It isn't a tough concept to grasp.

CT Bronco Fan
01-10-2009, 01:27 PM
denver will have the greatest draft ever and find a starter in every single round.

Finally, some optimism!!!

CT Bronco Fan
01-10-2009, 02:45 PM
nver narrows list of coaching candidates
By Adam Schefter

At this time last week, in this space, it was suggested that New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels was the leading candidate for the Broncos head coaching job. The point is still valid, only now it’s stronger.

Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis spent five and a half hours in Massachusetts on Thursday night, conducting a second interview with McDaniels in which he was said to be just as impressive as he was in his first meeting with a full contingent of Denver officials.

Now there is a growing concern in Foxboro, Mass., that the Patriots are on the verge of losing their offensive coordinator, the man who is in charge of the offense and helped elevate the play of quarterbacks Tom Brady and Matt Cassel.

Though Denver refuses to say anything, it clearly has McDaniels in its list of a select few finalists. The others are thought to be Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier and Buccaneers defensive coordinator Raheem Morris.

But Denver has been so busy this week that is is possible, even likely, that it will make its move as early as Monday and introduce the next coach of the Broncos early this week.

The Broncos also have made it clear that, even though their defense is in disrepair, they want to hire the best head coach, even if he doesn’t come from the defensive side of the football.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/10/denv...ng-candidates/

~~

Uggh.

Chris
01-10-2009, 07:30 PM
can they also end world hunger and bring world peace? just because you say it doesn't make it remotely true.

You say some of the dumbest **** ever. Do you even listen to yourself?

but i'd be interested in seeing how we can "adequately address" the fact that our linebackers might be the worst in the league, our safeties couldn't start on most college teams, we need DT help *and* get a "playmaker" at RB. unless you're presuming that denver will have the greatest draft ever and find a starter in every single round.Denver has nine selections and is 31 million dollars under the cap. It is likely that Denver won't be able to address ever weakness we have, but we can adequately (look up the definition of the word, in case you don't know it) build towards resurrecting their future.

It is going to take more than one off-season to fix the deficiencies we have on this team. Fans need to be patient and realize this. Unfortunately, most aren't and don't really have a clue how things work -- so posts like yours and many others that I read on a daily basis over the internet on Broncos Forums really aren't that surprising.

Denver is going to use at least one pick on offense in this draft -- and they should. Like I said, don't present a false dilemma. It is just silly.

With the wealth of talent in this years draft and the group of picks we have, Denver can afford to select a back within the top several rounds. I'm not advocating the first-round, not at all -- I'm advocating looking for a very talented back who should be available with our second round selection. I believe there will be a similar run on running backs as there were wide receivers in this past draft. Just a hunch.

It is quite obvious that you're a fan of the draft (damn near 18,000 posts here) -- and I'm almost positive you know about the underclassmen coming into this years draft.

Take into consideration the positions teams need help at, ones they don't and where our value matches up (I did a 4,000 word article for BroncoTalk on this, feel free to go there if you're interested) - and Denver will have absolutely wonderful chances (in my opinion) to get the players necessary to help build this franchise back to a contender.

It will take more than just the draft. That is why there is free agency as well. People just need to stop saying, "We can't afford to take a running back." ********. Those people need to buy a clue or actually start to understand how the NFL works.

Sorry if I'm coming off an an asshole, but I don't take kindly to false dilemmas, logical fallacies and words being put into my mouth.

Just had to stunt. Sorry to burst your bubble NJX.

TitanHope
01-10-2009, 08:00 PM
The expansion team's GMs took Daniel Graham and Marquand Manuel for their team. Losing Graham's big contract will free up some cap space, and Manuel wasn't exactly playing for vet minimum.

rascal
01-10-2009, 10:35 PM
The expansion team's GMs took Daniel Graham and Marquand Manuel for their team. Losing Graham's big contract will free up some cap space, and Manuel wasn't exactly playing for vet minimum.

What are you talking about?

CT Bronco Fan
01-11-2009, 12:32 AM
What are you talking about?

They are doing a fantasy off season with the addition of an expansion team.

Chris
01-11-2009, 02:20 PM
Yawn, oooooooh boy.

CT Bronco Fan
01-11-2009, 08:59 PM
McDaniels new HC

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3826234

Diehard
01-14-2009, 12:03 AM
They had Jim Goodman on the Fan, and one of the interesting things he said was that they were "placing a high emphasis on heart, work ethic and smarts in the evaluation process" (or something to that effect). IMO, that bodes well and lines up with the thinking of our new HC quite nicely.

He also talked up Hillis and Woodyard... even saying Woodyard was considered a team leader by the veterans. Interesting stuff. I knew we were weak on leadership - glad to see some of the young guys bringing that missing ingredient to the table.

Diehard
01-20-2009, 11:29 AM
free agency expectations (wishing we'll sign haynesworth, peppers and suggs is not, imo, realistic)?

Veteran NT - doesn't have to be flashy (say, Gabe Watson?). A decent S would also really help.

draft wants given a likely 3-4 shift?

Priority will be NT, OLB, S... in whatever order provides the most value. CB is a darkhorse as well, with Bly making too much money and Champ lined up for a big payday once his contract is up despite his ongoing injury problems.

The ILB spots will likely be manned by the members of our existing LB corps who survive the purge (DJ, Woodyard, Larsen?). Similarly, I expect the DE spots to be manned by our existing DT's (Thomas, Peterson).

i've very much soured on chris wells after watching more tape, and i've strongly disliked moreno all season. any other thoughts on a running back, someplace?

I think our 3rd rounder would be a good spot start looking for a RB. Some of those 2nd-4th range guys actually fit the "one-cut-and-go" philosophy pretty well... and the retention of Dennison as OL coach indicates we may very well stick with that approach.

Looking at the FA's, Derrick Ward from the Giants might be a decent fit.

RJB
01-20-2009, 01:23 PM
I don't know why some predict the Broncos will draft Wells. He has injury problems, and we had 7 RB's on IR last season.

Diehard
01-20-2009, 01:45 PM
I don't know why some predict the Broncos will draft Wells. He has injury problems, and we had 7 RB's on IR last season.

It's all the the translation from big board to mock draft. If you think Wells is a top 10 talent (which many do, though I don't share that opinion), then you start looking at the needs of teams in the top half of the draft order to get a fit. By the time you hit Denver at 12, Wells has value and addresses a need... which makes it a seemingly easy pick.

However, "value" + "need" doesn't necessarily equal "fit". Wells hasn't proven himself to be a pass catcher (a big minus with Jay at QB), he doesn't hit the hole decisively (which is a no-no in a zone scheme) and the durability issues you point to are very discouraging after a year where you had a half-dozen backs out injured.

TitanHope
01-20-2009, 11:15 PM
The first day of the Expansion Mock Draft is over. I flaked out on FA cuz I've been busy, but I've been making trades to bring in guys and more drafts picks.

1st RD: No one was there at 13th overall, so I traded back with Dallas. Got picks 26th ovrall, 71st ovrall, 117th ovrall, and Marcus Spears. At pick #26, I chose James Laurinaitis to play ILB in the 3-4 scheme.

2nd RD: I ended up with two 2nd RD picks. Traded DJ Williams and Denver's 3rd RD'er for Portland's (the expansion team) 36th ovrall pick in the 2nd RD. At that spot, I took Rashad Johnson. With Denver's 2nd RD pick, I chose Sean Smith.

I also traded for Robert Geathers, Chike Okeafor, and Alan Branch. Traded Elvis Dumerville and Tim Crowder for Geathers and Cincy's 4th RD pick. Traded the 117th ovrall pick for both Okeafor and Branch. Geathers and Okeafor are OLB's, and Branch is depth at DE.

Has Denver's official DC been named yet?

CT Bronco Fan
01-20-2009, 11:25 PM
Mike Nolan is our DC.