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CJSchneider
07-29-2011, 06:01 PM
Well, we cut Jason Kyle and Stanley Arnoux today so LB is a position of interest.

Vikes99ej
07-29-2011, 06:12 PM
Talk to me about Remi Ayodele.

Auron
07-29-2011, 09:33 PM
Talk to me about Remi Ayodele.

Solid Role player in a rotation, but that's about it.. Not really a true NT but we plugged him in there... I do think he improved over his time here, and he still has the potential to get better.

Overall he's a nice guy to have for depth a long the D-line but he's not going to be a "Pat Williams" type Stalwart you guys were used to.

CJSchneider
07-31-2011, 10:25 PM
We signed CB Fabian Washington from Baltimore today. Not a bad pick up.

diabsoule
07-31-2011, 11:09 PM
We signed CB Fabian Washington from Baltimore today. Not a bad pick up.

We also signed DE Turk McBride, who last played with Detroit.

Saints-Tigers
08-02-2011, 06:40 PM
We signed Aubrayo Franklin. This is pretty much a dream offseason.

diabsoule
08-02-2011, 06:55 PM
We signed Aubrayo Franklin. This is pretty much a dream offseason.

Agreed. I don't think Mickey Loomis could have done any better this offseason.

CJSchneider
08-03-2011, 12:38 PM
Aubrayo Franklin

That is all

Saints-Tigers
08-03-2011, 01:12 PM
We traded out Remi Ayodele for two dominating interior linemen. Lmfao.

diabsoule
08-03-2011, 04:34 PM
Jonathan Goodwin signed with the 49ers today. The starting center job now belong to Matt Tennant.

hawkeye123
08-03-2011, 04:36 PM
Jonathan Goodwin signed with the 49ers today. The starting center job now belong to Matt Tennant.

Any feedback on Goodwin?

Saints-Tigers
08-03-2011, 05:17 PM
Jonathan Goodwin signed with the 49ers today. The starting center job now belong to Matt Tennant.

Blessing in disguise, Tennant is significantly more talented IMO.

Goodwin probably had the easiest job of any center in the league. Dominant QB making the calls, and two dominant guards on each side of him.

Continuity is nice on the line, but letting Tennant get this spot will only improve us IMO.

Auron
08-03-2011, 08:38 PM
I'm not sure I'm fully as confident in losing Goodwin as you guys are, sure Tennant is more talented coming in but he barely has any game experience. Would have been nice to have the seasoned vet in the Center of the Line again.

Maybe Tennant will be able to be plugged in right away and do fine and make me sound over worried... but Goodwin was a very, very solid player. Never would wow you... but I can't remember him making any real mistakes. Rarely ever any botched snaps, and very few penalties.

CJSchneider
08-03-2011, 10:34 PM
This may be the wrong season to lose Goodwin, but I am sure Tennant will deliver.

Saints-Tigers
08-04-2011, 12:53 AM
Meh, Tennant is a long time starter with plenty of high level experience.

He might not be a stud, but he can limit the mistakes and do anything Goodwin can, and with better athleticism at this point.

Guys with that much experience are usually ready to start at C once they are physically ready for the rigors of the NFL, and I think he probably could have done ok last year.

He'll be fine.

CJSchneider
08-05-2011, 08:08 PM
Well, just in case we signed Olin Kreutz to a 1 year deal. Nice veteran pick up!!!!

CJSchneider
08-06-2011, 03:27 PM
Any training camp news on Greg Romeus?

Auron
08-06-2011, 06:10 PM
Any training camp news on Greg Romeus?

I believe I saw in one of Jeff Duncans V-logs he mentioned Romeus is likely to be IR'd this season. So I'm guessing he's still a ways away from being ready for action.

fear the elf
08-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Hey guys, I meant to come in here when we first signed him, but what can you tell me about Usama Young?

diabsoule
08-08-2011, 11:37 AM
Hey guys, I meant to come in here when we first signed him, but what can you tell me about Usama Young?

Very versatile player, can play both CB and S, energetic, smart, decent in coverage and run support, and has special teams potential. Still hasn't lived up to his potential.

CJSchneider
08-08-2011, 11:48 AM
via Diab on Facebook:

is lining up Saints players. Trying to get Jerrey Fayson & Nate Bussey as guests and already have a commitment from DeAndre McDaniel. Matt Tennant gave me a rain check, though.

Not that he needs the help, but perhaps you could post any questions you may want to hear him ask.

I expect a shout-out.

fear the elf
08-08-2011, 11:49 AM
Very versatile player, can play both CB and S, energetic, smart, decent in coverage and run support, and has special teams potential. Still hasn't lived up to his potential.

Thanks diab! That was more positive than I was expecting, seeing as he was somewhat buried on your roster. He's the favorite to start at FS for us; hopefully he lives up to some of that potential.

fischbowl
08-08-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm looking for one bedroom apartments Uptown. Figured y'all should know

diabsoule
08-08-2011, 12:27 PM
Thanks diab! That was more positive than I was expecting, seeing as he was somewhat buried on your roster. He's the favorite to start at FS for us; hopefully he lives up to some of that potential.

No problem, man. Usama is a great guy but couldn't see the field with Malcom Jenkins, Roman Harper, Jabari Greer, and Tracy Porter. FS would be his more natural position and I wish him the best.

I'm looking for one bedroom apartments Uptown. Figured y'all should know

Badass, man. I'm about an hour and a half from Uptown NOLA but if I get on with the police department down there I'll be moving to Kenner, which is 30 minutes from Uptown.

diabsoule
08-09-2011, 10:34 AM
The show I'm guest hosting for is on from noon to 3p. So far I have DeAndre McDaniel lined up as a guest and trying to get Jarred Fayson.

Any questions you can post them here or through my twitter account: @lasportsdude

You can listen to the show online at www.thescore1210.com

CJSchneider
08-09-2011, 03:16 PM
Sorry I missed it. I was setting up my classroom. Did you ask DeAndre McDaniel the question I left you over FB?

diabsoule
08-10-2011, 02:47 PM
Sorry I missed it. I was setting up my classroom. Did you ask DeAndre McDaniel the question I left you over FB?

I did. He was pretty vague in his answer, though. Most of his answers were generic.

Although he said he had interest from the Lions, Texans, and Giants. He also said he has a massive chip on his shoulder.

diabsoule
08-13-2011, 11:42 AM
Joique Bell looked AWESOME last night. Dude is like a tank on the field

Flyboy
08-13-2011, 02:51 PM
There are going to be some hard cuts to make for DT and LB..

CJSchneider
08-13-2011, 02:55 PM
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2938/29514421943593477064612.jpg

Mark Ingram......Touchdown!

Bosanac01
08-13-2011, 05:54 PM
**** you, you're not allowed to post pictures of how cool Mark Ingram is. You were hating on him when he got drafted.

Ingram is the real ******* deal. I wish we drafted him, but I'll loving Julio right now so it's cool.

NFC South offenses are magical right now.

diabsoule
08-13-2011, 05:59 PM
I'm really stoked for the first NOLA vs ATL game. Looking forward to seeing how our defenses will stop the opposing defenses.

Bosanac01
08-13-2011, 06:24 PM
I'm really stoked for the first NOLA vs ATL game. Looking forward to seeing how our defenses will stop the opposing defenses.

Probably won't be too effective. :D

CJSchneider
08-14-2011, 05:26 PM
**** you, you're not allowed to post pictures of how cool Mark Ingram is. You were hating on him when he got drafted.

Ingram is the real ******* deal. I wish we drafted him, but I'll loving Julio right now so it's cool.

NFC South offenses are magical right now.

Like Hell! If you go back and look, I was one of the few people here who loved the fact we got Ingram. I agreed with the fact that we paid well enough to get him, but I was happy we did.

diabsoule
08-15-2011, 06:20 PM
We released Jon Stinchcomb today

Auron
08-15-2011, 07:33 PM
We released Jon Stinchcomb today

This is surprising to me. I know that he was struggling in practice, and didn't play well vs. San Fran.. but you would have figured with the premium Payton puts on having veterans and continuity we would have let him work his issues out.

This cut tells me the coaches felt Stinchcomb's injury had effected him too severely to the point his play would not improve over time. So now it will be either Strief, Charles Brown, or the newcomer Jordan Black. My money is on Strief as he has experience starting on this O-line before.

CJSchneider
08-20-2011, 07:17 AM
By my count, we have 15 cuts to make by Tuesday in order to make it down to 80.

diabsoule
08-29-2011, 03:16 PM
So, who else is scared for the season? Our defense looks pitiful.

NOLAFan
08-29-2011, 03:42 PM
So, who else is scared for the season? Our defense looks pitiful.

Yeah i'm not liking it either. Im not really impressed with our running game either. Seeing 3 or 4 RB with between 8-9 carries and only 5 to 7 yards, is awful.

Saints-Tigers
08-29-2011, 05:51 PM
I just can't figure out what genius Gregg Williams sees in Shanle and Herring. Casillas is so clearly our best OLB it's maddening.

Auron
08-30-2011, 06:35 PM
Well this will be an interesting season to say the least. I'm pretty satisfied with the off-season. However I do wish the team would have added another OLB, and DE to the mix. (maybe they still will when other teams make their final cuts)

I do think Special teams has improved considerably adding guys like Amaya, Joe Morgan, Herring (who's a special teams specialist) and I do think our Running game will be fine once we get into the reg season, on our 1st drive of Houston we were getting good push and solid gains.. I think Oakland was more about Payton and Brees trying to get the Passing game some action to make sure we were in sync.

My main concern is at OLB, and DE... Alex Brown was not impressing and therefore released, I do believe Cam Jordan will eventually step up and handle that position but he's only gotten sparse work with the 2nd, 3rd team Defensive units thus far.. I'm wondering if he hasn't fully grasped the Defense yet? Other than that we have McBride, Charleston, Galette. I'd to see one more body added to the mix.

At OLB it looks like Shanle will still get the nod at either WLB, or SLB, if he starts at SLB I believe that means Casillas won the Will spot. If not it will probably be Shanle, Vilma, Herring the same lineup the started at Oakland, not exactly confidence inspiring but that's who the coaches trust. I do think we'll see a much more aggressive Defensive philosophy once the season starts and Greg Williams starts unleashing his personnel packages to their full extent, also hopefully we'll have Aubrayo Franklin back at DT.

CJSchneider
09-11-2011, 04:37 PM
We face Chicago next week definitely without Colsten and possibly without Moore. Your thoughts?

NOLAFan
09-11-2011, 07:22 PM
After watching Da Bears manhandle the Falcons, i'm a little afraid. Our O-line is gonna need to get its **** together.

Auron
09-11-2011, 07:53 PM
Well Chicago is a team that historically under Payton we don't play well against.. but all 3 of our previous meetings have been on the Road. This time we play them at Home.

I hate that we lost Colston for a while, and if Moore misses this one as well I'm worried about our passing game.. those are our reliable possession guys, that work the underneath routes and middle of the field. If so we'll probably see a lot more designed Pass plays to the Running backs, possibly Jimmy Graham gets more looks.

Really though it comes down to our Defense HAS to play better than what they showed in Week 1. We have to stop Forte, and get off the field.

diabsoule
09-12-2011, 09:01 AM
Going into Chicago our defense MUST step up. Our front four has to create pressure some kind of way to free up the linebackers to do their thing. Casillas, although he struggles shedding blocks, is clearly our best LB outside of Vilma. On offense, Meachem definitely needs to step up since it looks like our WR's will be him, Henderson, Arrington, and Roby. Definitely nothing for opposing defenses to be afraid of which means it frees up another DB or LB to blitz.

The offensive line also needs to get a stronger push in the running game. I'm starting to question the starting of Kreutz over Tennant. While Kreutz is a savvy veteran, his lack of push in the running game is questionable as is his pass blocking. Bushrod also doesn't get as strong of a push as he needs to in the running game, which isn't anything new.

Our offense did start clicking after the first quarter but without our defense stepping up this could be a LOOOOOOONG season.

CJSchneider
09-19-2011, 07:10 PM
Houston has me extremely concerned.

Auron
09-19-2011, 07:44 PM
Yes we all know from Week 2 in Pre-season how Dangerous Houston is, and they will definitely be a step up in Offensive pressure than what Chicago brought... not exactly Green Bayesque but close, and they are a better run team.

Looking at the positive side, we will be at Home. We'll likely have Will Smith back, and Tracy Porter as well. (although I don't know how much that helps with the way he has been tackling lately.) Houston does seem to be banged up.

This will most likely be a dog fight regardless however, hopefully we'll be able to stop them enough times.. or at least get some turnovers.

diabsoule
09-21-2011, 04:46 PM
RB Joique Bell DID pass through waivers and the plan is to have Bell back on the Saints practice squad, via a league source.

CJSchneider
10-09-2011, 09:06 PM
In regards to our win over Carolina: How in the hell do you get a roughing the passer call against you when the QB hasn't let go of the ball yet?

CJSchneider
10-09-2011, 09:25 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/30/fullj.8e701e17cb4d415e090137afc1adf91a/8e701e17cb4d415e090137afc1adf91a-getty-128803056.jpg

Carolina, no you Cam't.

Saints Dome Patrol
10-10-2011, 03:29 AM
No, what you are seeing is not a mirage, it is yours truly, Saints Dome Patrol, back after several months of being M.I.A.

I liken it to one of my favorite quotes from "The Simpsons":
[Smithers]: "Mr. Burns! You're alive?!"
[Burns]: *dusting himself off* "Yes, Smithers, I pulled a Jesus."

And after today's come-from-behind victory, the Saints were a little bit like Mr. Burns on Sunday. I know, I know, the Saints were winning for the majority of the ballgame, but still, New Orleans did have to come from behind to beat the Panthers.

I was a little worried there at the end, especially with the fact that I have been eating a lot of crow over Cam Newton and his successes this season. I really didn't think that he would do as well as he has done for Carolina. This Panthers team could be a dangerous, up-and-coming team in the next couple of years.

I hope that everyone had a great weekend and can survive today - I know it's Monday, so have as much fun as you can on a Monday.

Remember, every day above ground is a good day!

Auron
10-11-2011, 05:02 AM
Welcome Back Saints Dome Patrol.

Didn't get a chance to post about the Carolina game as I have been out, and was working yesterday.. but the trend of Bad Refereeing has seemed to follow us. I have no clue how the Roughing the Passer Call on McBride on 3rd & 5 incomplete for the Panthers was called.. He didn't hit him in the Head, or below the waist, he didn't come in late, or even bring him to the ground. These types of calls are ruining the game.

I'm glad we're winning these close games, but I guess it feels strange how the Saints are 4-1 and yet I'm not entirely pleased with their play. I just feel like they haven't clicked yet.

Flyboy
10-11-2011, 05:13 PM
In regards to our win over Carolina: How in the hell do you get a roughing the passer call against you when the QB hasn't let go of the ball yet?

Don't get me started. I was SO pissed off when that call happen.. just beyond mad.

CJSchneider
10-12-2011, 07:48 AM
I just feel like they haven't clicked yet.

The good thing is, it doesn't look like anyone else in the NFC South has either. I will feel a whole hell of a lot better if we beat TB this week.

Colston Creamery
10-14-2011, 09:03 AM
How do you all guys feel the OL has been holding up down two starters?
I know Strief and Kreutz were both new to the starting line up this year but they are both experienced, solid players for us.

NOLAFan
10-15-2011, 12:04 AM
So i've been really disappointed in our running game this year. I know we are pass first team but i thought we the three headed monster we have in Thomas, Ingram, and Sproles we would be setting up our run alot more. Now i'm totally basing this off of highlights and stats to be honest, because i've only seen two and a half games this year.

Btw when is Ivory coming back? I miss him

Auron
10-15-2011, 12:14 AM
Well Kreutz seems to have been practicing all this week so he should be back, De La-Puenta, and Charles Brown have done a very solid job of filling in.. but they have made some mistakes both in pass protection, and the run game. So I would like to see the more experienced guys back in the lineup, but it's good that both Brown and La-Puenta are getting some game experience so we know we can count on them to come in, in the future if needed.

Ivory is eligible to return from PUP after this week, however I really don't know how we have the carries for him who do we sit so he can play, Pierre? Sproles? Ingram? they all have been doing their job.

regoob2
10-15-2011, 12:42 PM
Hey with both Colston and Meachem being FAs, do you think you guys will bring both of them back? Which one would be the preference to keep if you cant? Thanks.

Auron
10-15-2011, 03:23 PM
Hey with both Colston and Meachem being FAs, do you think you guys will bring both of them back? Which one would be the preference to keep if you cant? Thanks.

Good question regoob, I would really love to re-sign both but I doubt that will be possible with Brees needing a new deal, and Carl Nicks, Tracy Porter's deal expiring. I actually think Colston might be the one to go as he is older, and already has had a couple of knee surgeries. (sad because he is personally one of my favorite players)

It's not a lock though as Meachem actually hasn't really performed up to my expectations of him as a "big play" WR. He had that one big play TD against Green Bay in Week 1, but has been fairly quiet since then... making little catches here and there. Really have to wait and see how the rest of the season pans out... if Colston really starts to outperform Meachem the rest of the way things could be different.

SaintsFanForLife
10-20-2011, 02:47 PM
Hey with both Colston and Meachem being FAs, do you think you guys will bring both of them back? Which one would be the preference to keep if you cant? Thanks.

I would rather keep Colston. I like meachem but I think he is replaceable he has yet to be consistent he has flashes here and there but really if he was going to be great he would of at least beat out Henderson by now. It shave been a while since I have been back I hope to stay longer this time.

Auron
10-21-2011, 06:55 PM
Regarding Kreutz leaving the team. I respect that he decided to leave now and not be one of those guys that just punches the clock and collects a check each week for the sake of getting a pay check; but I'm still frustrated with the whole center situation I guess De La Puenta comes back in. I think we really miss Goodwin a lot more than we thought we would, even Nicks/Evans have seemed to play worse this season in his absence.

I really think there's got to be a little more to this, something has to be wrong behind the scenes at the Saints facility. Why would an established veteran just up and leave not even half way through the season.. on a team that might contend for the Playoffs?

CJSchneider
10-22-2011, 10:35 AM
Perhaps not in the sense "something is wrong", but I hope this has been an issue of "he made them aware of his feelings weeks ago and they decided this was the best time to take action."

Auron
10-22-2011, 10:06 PM
Well better to get this out of the way now then in December, when we could possibly be in the midst of making a playoff push. I just kind of think Kreutz should have known whether he would be mentally/physically able to go through another NFL season "Before" he signed with us in August. Then we could have properly moved forward with De La Puenta, or Tennant. Or Tennant might have actually gotten some experience.

It is what is though. I heard from someone that Kreutz actually left, because the Coaching staff felt he wasn't playing up to par and decided to bench him and Kreutz got upset over this and wanted out.

CJSchneider
10-23-2011, 10:33 PM
62-7

Christ, that wasn't even fair.

We get to play another "o-fer" crew in St. Louis next week.
It looked like we were OK without O.K.

Auron
10-23-2011, 10:38 PM
I think this team really needed to play at Home in the Dome, after 3 straight Weeks of playing on the Road. This type of game was almost expected however, if we didn't handle the Colts there would be questions and concerns for days.

Wasn't really concerned with Payton being up in the booth, Brees can pretty much run the Offense in his sleep anyways. My main concern right now is the injuries to Mark Ingram, and Roman Harper. What will their status be through out this week? Will we see Ivory activated?

Flyboy
10-24-2011, 01:00 AM
I think we'll see Ivory taken off the PUP, that's for sure. And, I think Harper's injury will be all right.. he seemed all right on the sidelines at the very least.

Saints Dome Patrol
10-24-2011, 04:02 AM
Well better to get this out of the way now then in December, when we could possibly be in the midst of making a playoff push. I just kind of think Kreutz should have known whether he would be mentally/physically able to go through another NFL season "Before" he signed with us in August. Then we could have properly moved forward with De La Puenta, or Tennant. Or Tennant might have actually gotten some experience.

It is what is though. I heard from someone that Kreutz actually left, because the Coaching staff felt he wasn't playing up to par and decided to bench him and Kreutz got upset over this and wanted out.

In regards to Olin Kreutz, I'm disappointed that he left the team, but I have to agree with Auron, it's a blessing that he decided to fold in the tent poles at this point, than, like he said, in December or worse, in the middle of the playoffs. I am very surprised at the versatility of Brian de la Puenta and am glad he is doing well in the middle. If he continues to play well, we shouldn't miss a beat.

62-7

Christ, that wasn't even fair.

We get to play another "o-fer" crew in St. Louis next week.
It looked like we were OK without O.K.

I agree. As I was telling my dad, it helps when you're playing a team starting their third-string quarterback and has the 27th ranked defense in the league. Man, we took the Colts to the glue factory, didn't we?

I think we'll see Ivory taken off the PUP, that's for sure. And, I think Harper's injury will be all right.. he seemed all right on the sidelines at the very least.

According to ESPN, Harper said that he's fine after getting dinged in last night's game.

Colston Creamery
10-24-2011, 02:12 PM
Rough game guys. Lets try harder next week.

All jokes aside, this was definitely a moral boaster to go along with the win. The D looked well, minus a couple of long runs, but we made plays the entire game. Can't really complain about any aspect of that game.

Auron
11-07-2011, 01:42 PM
Much better performance yesterday. Coaching Staff made it an emphasis to Out-hit the Bucs and we played much more physically and were able to establish a Running game. Getting back Strief, and David Thomas helped a lot too.. they bring so much to our blocking game.

Huge game with Atlanta coming up. Can we finally string together 2 solid games, or will we continue the trend of being inconsistent? We need to be better on the Road, as all 3 of our losses have been on the Road this year.

fischbowl
11-07-2011, 01:48 PM
Did Robert Meachem ******* play yesterday?

Auron
11-07-2011, 02:12 PM
Did Robert Meachem ******* play yesterday?
Yeah, only time I noticed him was when he caught a ball on the sideline but couldn't get both feet in bounds.

He's pretty much been phased out of the Offense, earlier in the year he tipped a few balls up for Interceptions, and had a few drops... which is why I think the Coaching Staff, and Drew have shied away from going to him. That plus the emergence of Graham/Sproles who are really the focal points in the Offense now.

Auron
11-11-2011, 10:42 PM
Huge game this Sunday. Another Division, Rivalry game in Atlanta. Win and I think we finally start to separate ourselves down the stretch that we're contenders and the team to beat in the South.

Lose and we'll show we're the same inconsistent team that bounces between losses, and rebound wins...

Flyboy
11-12-2011, 11:17 AM
Huge is such an understatement. I'm so pumped for the game, but we definitely have our worries and injuries going into it. If our run defense can mirror what we did against Tampa Bay, I like our chances a lot. Plus, our running game needs to be effective as it was last week as well. I doubt it's as dominant, but definitely need that balance.

NY+Giants=NYG
11-22-2011, 10:31 AM
Hello? Saints fans? What's going on guys?

diabsoule
11-22-2011, 01:33 PM
Hello? Saints fans? What's going on guys?

Just enjoying the bye week. It came at one of the best times possible so that way the corner's can get healthy. We're rounding into form for the home stretch by breaking off two wins against division opponents.

The Giants are going to give our OL fits especially on the edge where our tackle has been below average. I do see a big advantage, though, with the Saints having Sproles and Graham, two players that I don't think the Giants have the personnel to cover.

It will also take a lot to get our running game going. It's been pretty stagnant lately minus the game against Tampa.

NY+Giants=NYG
11-22-2011, 02:18 PM
Just enjoying the bye week. It came at one of the best times possible so that way the corner's can get healthy. We're rounding into form for the home stretch by breaking off two wins against division opponents.

The Giants are going to give our OL fits especially on the edge where our tackle has been below average. I do see a big advantage, though, with the Saints having Sproles and Graham, two players that I don't think the Giants have the personnel to cover.

It will also take a lot to get our running game going. It's been pretty stagnant lately minus the game against Tampa.



Perry Fewell is amazing! We have the best DL, but don't worry. Our 3 man rushes will scary brees! Watch out drew! We are going to get ya with 3 man rushes and very cute zones, where your toys can sit and drink a beer without having to worry about our guys defending you to close.

In a nut shell, we are going to get spanked! And then spanked again by the Packers. I hate Fewell and his pathetic scheme, and I hate our offensive system.

And we lost our 5th CB for the season, lol.

Auron
12-09-2011, 05:11 AM
We've done a great job of re-bounding from that woeful Rams loss. Winning 4 straight, all against teams that were at one point in playoff contention in our conference. I thought for sure we'd drop at least one of those.

Now we just need to finish out the last quarter of the season strong, We might not be able to catch San Fran. for the 2 seed as they have a really easy schedule.. but we have an excellent opportunity to Win the division, and lock up atleast one Home game in the Playoffs. Plus Brees has a chance to break the Passing Yardage record.

CJSchneider
12-26-2011, 11:27 PM
A Detroit win over GB in week 17 (who will probably be resting Rodgers) will result in us playing Atlanta again in the first round of the play-offs, save for a miracle win by St. Louis over SF.
Let's hear your play-off best case/worst case scenario expectations.

diabsoule
12-27-2011, 04:32 PM
Let's Go St. Louis!!!! Rams! Rams! Rams!

CJSchneider
12-27-2011, 07:41 PM
As a kid, my uncle was a Rams fan. We would make bets on the SF-LA Rams games. I can't believe I am in this situation.

D-Unit
01-11-2012, 05:24 PM
So is Carl Nicks hitting FA or what?

CJSchneider
01-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Yes, as a UFA.

wicket
01-12-2012, 03:03 PM
Yes, as a UFA.

i would assume theyd franchise it

D-Unit
01-12-2012, 05:55 PM
i would assume theyd franchise it
What other FAs or extensions do you have? ...and do you think the money Jahri Evans gets will factor into it whether or not the Saints will continue to spend more money at the Guard position?

CJSchneider
01-12-2012, 09:39 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/no/

wicket
01-13-2012, 11:50 AM
What other FAs or extensions do you have? ...and do you think the money Jahri Evans gets will factor into it whether or not the Saints will continue to spend more money at the Guard position?

if we resign brees nicks is by far our most important FA, Guards are actually more important than tackles in our scheme and with brees

D-Unit
01-13-2012, 01:41 PM
if we resign brees nicks is by far our most important FA, Guards are actually more important than tackles in our scheme and with brees
What about Colston and Meecham? Nicks ahead of them?

diabsoule
01-13-2012, 06:58 PM
What about Colston and Meecham? Nicks ahead of them?

Nicks is priority #1. Colston is 2nd and I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints let Meachem walk

D-Unit
01-14-2012, 01:46 AM
Thanks for answering the questions guys. I was skeptical of him reaching the open market and this confirms my feelings.

diabsoule
01-15-2012, 11:08 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/15/nicks-expected-to-leave-new-orleans-in-free-agency/

According to Adam Schefter, Nicks is expected to leave New Orleans.

Loomis needs to get on this and make sure he doesn't leave. We don't have a replacement for him and would have to use a draft pick or sign someone else in FA.

diabsoule
01-15-2012, 11:15 AM
Seems like Gregg Williams is all but on his way out of New Orleans. The hot names to replace him seem to be Steve Spagnuolo, Mike Nolan, and Jack Del Rio.

Personally, I'd love Spags but I don't see that as being realistic and would prefer Del Rio over Nolan. If the Saints get Nolan they might cut Vilma to save on salary (he makes a $5 million base).

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/15/saints-and-falcons-may-be-competing-for-spagnuolo-nolan/related/

CJSchneider
01-15-2012, 11:27 AM
Del Rio would sure help out our LB's.

diabsoule
01-15-2012, 11:42 AM
Del Rio would sure help out our LB's.

I'd love Del Rio in NOLA. He'd definitely help our LB's and runs an attacking, opportunistic scheme.

wicket
01-15-2012, 01:20 PM
if we get any of spags, del rio or nolan id be very happy

diabsoule
01-15-2012, 03:26 PM
Saints have a lot of question marks and priorities heading into the offseason:

1. Re-signing Drew Brees
2. What to do with Nicks, Colston, and Meachem?
3. Who will be the new defensive coordinator?
4. Question marks at DT due to Rogers & Franklin being FA
5. Upgrade at OLB. Could Roman Harper move to OLB?
6. Upgrade at SS over Harper

CJSchneider
01-15-2012, 09:28 PM
Saints have a lot of question marks and priorities heading into the offseason:

1. Re-signing Drew Brees
2. What to do with Nicks, Colston, and Meachem?
3. Who will be the new defensive coordinator?
4. Question marks at DT due to Rogers & Franklin being FA
5. Upgrade at OLB. Could Roman Harper move to OLB?
6. Upgrade at SS over Harper

Tony Dye from UCLA could be available in the 3rd and then move Harper to OLB.

Auron
01-17-2012, 11:08 AM
Well that was disappointing, 2nd straight year we've lost to the NFC West Winner on the Road in the playoffs. Payton either needs to figure out a formula for winning on the road in the playoffs, or we just need to do what we did in 2009 and lock up the #1 seed to ensure we play in the Superdome through out the playoffs.

With that said so many issues this off-season, this is probably the single biggest off-season in regards to personnel decisions in the entire Payton era. Hopefully we can re-sign Brees quickly to a deal that won't break our cap, either franchise or re-sign Nicks (we need him badly), and I really hope we can get Colston back he's been so clutch and consistent in moving the chains for us, but it's unlikely that we'll have enough left over after Brees, Nicks' deals.

Meachem can walk, I don't think he's panned out quite like we would have hoped and he could easily be replaced. Honestly Henderson can go as well, I think we need to move on and get some quicker receivers that can get in and out of their cuts smoother, rather than the bigger, long striders we have that get down the field without making many cuts. I want to give this Joseph Morgan kid a chance, he looked explosive in pre-season. Brees needs WRs that can get more separation, precision in their routes. (Colston is the exception to this he operates so smoothly, even for a big guy he's so good in his route running)

Defensively our Safety play has been awful. Harper is great in the box, blitzing, filling in on the run but he get's exploited time and time again in coverage. We're stuck with him though so we just have to make it work... and Malcolm Jenkins he is just not a good Free Safety period. He had high expectations but he constantly takes poor angles, is a step late in coverage, mis-reads plays. Maybe he can develop into a better player, in a different scheme but he was a big disappointment this year.

The Linebacking situation is a mess, if Shanle is starting next year I'm going to scream. Not sure what to do with Vilma? does he have anything left in the tank? We need to bring in atleast 3 fresh bodies at Linebacker this off-season Draft + Free Agency... and we need to figure out how to get some kind of Pass Rush.. Greg Williams had to resort to all these exotic blitz packages, because our Front 4 doesn't get pressure on their own.

Oh and on top of that we need a new Defensive coordinator. Going to be an interesting off-season, with possible major changes looming. Good news is the other teams in our division have a lot of uncertainty as well. Atlanta going through some whole sale coaching/scheme changes, Tampa complete regime change, Carolina is actually coming out with the most stability going into the off-season.

Sveen
01-17-2012, 01:46 PM
First; great writeup Auron. It will be a very interesting off-season for sure. Brees will obviously be back, the question is whether or not we'll have to use our franchise tag on him. I don't know where our cap is at the moment, but keeping Brees, Nicks and Colston is very important. Realistically we might have to get used to the idea of losing either Nicks or Colston, and my guess is that they'll let Nicks walk before Colston because of how much we already pay Evans.

Gregg Williams leaving isn't all that bad I think. Our defense never got back to where we were at during the championship season. Mike Nolan, Steve Spagnuolo or Jack Del Rio would all be great hires.

Auron
01-18-2012, 08:01 AM
Yeah, I really appreciate what Greg Williams has done for us. Especially in '09 when he first brought his aggressive Defense. However it was time to move on, it became clear that his scheme was losing it's luster as we were getting more ineffective as a blitzing team, and our Turnovers created plummeted.

I know the players loved Greg, and played hard for him but the results just were not there this year, the new coordinator needs to come in and completely re-evaluate every player on this Defense.

NOLAFan
01-18-2012, 08:15 AM
Doesnt look like it will be Nolan to fix our defense now. (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Atlanta-Falcons-hire-Mike-Nolan-as-new-defensive-coordinator-011712) per foxsports

Auron
01-18-2012, 08:36 AM
I'm kind of hoping for Spagnuolo anyway, he's a 4-3 blitz guy who could adjust with what we have currently a little better IMO. He's supposedly interviewing today.

Sveen
01-18-2012, 10:59 AM
Spagnuolo would be a great hire for sure. Hopefully they can get it done quickly and move on to getting Brees signed to a new deal.

Auron
01-19-2012, 05:17 PM
Spagnuolo would be a great hire for sure. Hopefully they can get it done quickly and move on to getting Brees signed to a new deal.

Jay Glazer reports Spagnuolo has agreed to terms to be Saints DC.

Really like this move, gets our guy in place to start the evaluation process he's supposedly a great teacher of fundamentals, and can generate Pass Rush.. but in a different way from Greg Williams. Spags focuses more on Line Stunts, and Fire Blitzes, even though he's a "Blitzing" personality he doesn't go all or nothing as much as Greg did.

Looking forward to seeing what he can do with this Defense, he's going to need help though. Now we have some other huge moves to make regarding our Free Agents.

diabsoule
01-19-2012, 07:01 PM
Steve SpagNOLA!!!!!!!!

http://www.frumsatire.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jizz-in-my-pants-jewish-300x222.jpg

Auron
01-19-2012, 07:28 PM
I'm excited too Diab, but the man is going to need some better Front 7 pieces to work with, in order to let him implement the schemes he is going to want to.

Hopefully this means a Draft dedicated fully towards Front 7. Linebackers, Defensive Ends, and possibly another DT if we lose (Rogers, Franklin..both?)

Can't wait to see how how Cam Jordan, Martez Wilson progress in their 2nd years, and maybe we can get Greg Romeus on the field next season in some role.

wicket
01-20-2012, 12:42 AM
spags makes me smile ear to ear

diabsoule
01-20-2012, 06:15 PM
I'm excited too Diab, but the man is going to need some better Front 7 pieces to work with, in order to let him implement the schemes he is going to want to.

Hopefully this means a Draft dedicated fully towards Front 7. Linebackers, Defensive Ends, and possibly another DT if we lose (Rogers, Franklin..both?)

Can't wait to see how how Cam Jordan, Martez Wilson progress in their 2nd years, and maybe we can get Greg Romeus on the field next season in some role.

I think we'll see Spags use Tez Wilson similar to how Kiwi was used during Spags time in NY. Jordan will probably slide inside on passing downs.

But we definitely need to beef up the front 7. We're going to need a replacement for Vilma, Shanle, Franklin, and Rogers.

Saints will have to make some savvy moves in FA because locking up Brees and Nicks is paramount and then there's Colston and Dunbar who I want to see return as well.

Saints Dome Patrol
01-24-2012, 03:35 PM
First of all, let me say I agree with Sveen, this is a great post by another great fan of the New Orleans Saints.

In order to respond fully to this post, I broke up Auron's post into smaller, bite-sized posts to reply. Think of Auron's big Man v. Food size post now broken down to Krystal burger size posts.

But I digress.

Well that was disappointing, 2nd straight year we've lost to the NFC West Winner on the Road in the playoffs. Payton either needs to figure out a formula for winning on the road in the playoffs, or we just need to do what we did in 2009 and lock up the #1 seed to ensure we play in the Superdome through out the playoffs.

With that said so many issues this off-season, this is probably the single biggest off-season in regards to personnel decisions in the entire Payton era. Hopefully we can re-sign Brees quickly to a deal that won't break our cap, either franchise or re-sign Nicks (we need him badly), and I really hope we can get Colston back he's been so clutch and consistent in moving the chains for us, but it's unlikely that we'll have enough left over after Brees, Nicks' deals.

I agree, the biggest priority of the Saints this off-season is to lock up Drew Brees to some sort of long-term deal that will keep him happy and in New Orleans for the distant future. He has done so much for the team, both on and off the football field, that losing him would be like losing your left testicle. You could go on living, but why would you want to? All us Saints fans know what it's like with an Aaron Brooks leading our team and we don't want to back there again. I also agree with your statement about Carl Nicks also needing to be brought back in the fold immediately. Nicks is, one of, if not the best guard in the NFL and is a huge part of our offense's success. Both Nicks and Jahri Evans are probably the best guard tandem in the league and also make the rest of the line (which is pretty average to be honest) look good. Without Nicks, there's no way Jermon Bushrod is a Pro Bowler.

Meachem can walk, I don't think he's panned out quite like we would have hoped and he could easily be replaced. Honestly Henderson can go as well, I think we need to move on and get some quicker receivers that can get in and out of their cuts smoother, rather than the bigger, long striders we have that get down the field without making many cuts. I want to give this Joseph Morgan kid a chance, he looked explosive in pre-season. Brees needs WRs that can get more separation, precision in their routes. (Colston is the exception to this he operates so smoothly, even for a big guy he's so good in his route running)

Wide receiver-wise, I agree, Meachem can be let go, especially since I was never a huge fan of his to begin with. Personally, (and you can ask diabsoule) I was confused with the Saints' selection of his in the draft when I thought there were bigger needs for New Orleans than another receiver. As for Marques Colston; however, I feel the Saints need to figure out a way to keep him. I realize that he is older than Meachem and does get nicked up quite a bit, but he still puts up great numbers. Also, as you pointed out, we have other receivers in our corps that should be given an opportunity, like Adrian Arrington and Joseph Morgan. Morgan looked great in the preseason, like you said, until he got injured.

Defensively our Safety play has been awful. Harper is great in the box, blitzing, filling in on the run but he get's exploited time and time again in coverage. We're stuck with him though so we just have to make it work... and Malcolm Jenkins he is just not a good Free Safety period. He had high expectations but he constantly takes poor angles, is a step late in coverage, mis-reads plays. Maybe he can develop into a better player, in a different scheme but he was a big disappointment this year.

The Linebacking situation is a mess, if Shanle is starting next year I'm going to scream. Not sure what to do with Vilma? does he have anything left in the tank? We need to bring in atleast 3 fresh bodies at Linebacker this off-season Draft + Free Agency... and we need to figure out how to get some kind of Pass Rush.. Greg Williams had to resort to all these exotic blitz packages, because our Front 4 doesn't get pressure on their own.

I think that I might be in the minority, but I for one, am not too thrilled with the Saints hiring Steve Spagnuolo - based on his results with the Rams. Granted, I do agree he did not have the talent there that he had with the Giants (when he was the defensive coordinator there) or the Eagles (when he was a defensive assistant) or even that he will have here in the Big Easy with the Saints. However, I do feel that the hire of Spagnuolo as our new defensive coordinator will definitely shake up our entire defense.

Our front four needs a overhaul, with the exception of Cameron Jordan, as both nose tackles Aubrayo Franklin and Shaun Rogers were busts (to say the least) and defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis, in my opinion, has been a disappointment. Defensive end Will Smith is getting up there in years, and given that he's due about $6 million in salary next season, isn't worth the money he's due. Unfortunately, that would be quite a pickle, since that would leave us with only Jordan at one defensive end and someone like Junior Galette at the other with who knows at the tackle position. Scary situation.

Speaking of scary, the linebacker corps is a mess as well. Sure, I love Jonathan Vilma as much as the next guy, but I worry, as you are as well, if he has anything left in the tank. Now I realize the Saints are high on several of their young linebackers like Martez Wilson, Jonathan Casillas and Jo-Lonn Dunbar, but I don't know if they are going to be able to be this generation's "Dome Patrol" anytime soon.

As for our defensive backs, with the hire of Spagnuolo, the secondary will get a shakeup as well. I think Jabari Greer is fine, Patrick Robinson and Johnny Patrick will continue to grow and develop and Malcolm Jenkins will improve (especially if we can get pressure on the quarterback with our front four), but I, along with you, am curious about Roman Harper. Harper may, unfortunately, be the odd man out of the equation, or may, as has been mentioned before, become an outside linebacker. I don't know if that's possible, but hey, we've all seen weirder things before. Like those gold jerseys for the Minnesota game a few years ago. *shudders*

Oh and on top of that we need a new Defensive coordinator. Going to be an interesting off-season, with possible major changes looming. Good news is the other teams in our division have a lot of uncertainty as well. Atlanta going through some whole sale coaching/scheme changes, Tampa complete regime change, Carolina is actually coming out with the most stability going into the off-season.

Finally, I do agree, the Saints do have a lot of question marks, but like you said, they are far from the worst off in our division and the other teams in the league. Tampa Bay looks like a joke with their recent public relations blunder with the Chip Kelly situation and Atlanta is cleaning house (as they should after their playoff debacle). Hopefully, we'll get our "stuff" straight and we'll be fine.

Auron
01-24-2012, 06:08 PM
Interesting to hear your take on Spagnuolo. I can't say I disagree with you fully, but I am more optimistic on what he can do. However I do agree with the notion the he isn't going to just magically come in and make all our Defensive problems vanish. What he's going to do is bring some solid scheme work, and instill good fundamentals, but he's still going to need talented players to execute those schemes.

I believe we'll still be a team that disguises looks, and brings pressure but we won't be as "All or Nothing", Boom or Bust so to speak as we were with Greg Williams running the Defense. We'll run more Zones coverages behind our blitzes and I don't think we'll run a lot of Cover-0, or straight up Press Man, with Cover 1 and having Malcolm Jenkins account for an entire length of the field by himself, those days should be over.

I have a faith, and trust in what Payton and Loomis are doing, so if they were so straight forward in pursuing Spags, I'm going to trust their instincts on it. I do see what happened in St.Louis when he had very little talent to work with, but I also see his limited sample size with the Giants which was brilliant when he had beasts on the Defensive Line to terrorize opposing Quarterbacks. If we can get more pressure, sacks, turnovers without having to blitz as hard as Greg Williams did I will think that would be a great job.

CJSchneider
02-03-2012, 01:02 PM
A little random, but I think Mark Ingram can dunk.

zachsaints52
02-05-2012, 12:46 PM
I think we need to figure out who is more important to our team, Nicks or Colston. I just dont see us retaining both, unless Drew takes less just to keep the team together. I personally, would pick Nicks.

Spags hiring means we won't blitz as much, so drafting our front 4 will be the basis of our draft.

Auron
02-05-2012, 02:41 PM
Well I'd hate to lose either one, but Colston is probably the guy who would take a little less to stay with us IMO. Simply because he's probably more valuable to us than any other team with the way we use him over the middle, and Drew's preference to throw inside the hashes to his bigger targets.

I see Nicks commanding top dollar, and he's probably looking for a ballpark range of what teammate Jahri Evan's got, and since we already have a highly paid O-line we might not be able to afford 2 Guards with huge contracts especially after we re-sign Brees.

I'm really hoping we can find a way to keep all our top FA's.. maybe we can if Brees signs a cap friendly deal, Colston signs a fair offer, and we franchise tag Nicks... but it's looking unlikely and we face a high probability of either Colston, or Nicks getting away.

wicket
02-05-2012, 04:01 PM
i want nicks back for sure, having brees stepping up is vital in our offense, he needs the space to do that, interior line is the most important part of our OLine

Saints Dome Patrol
02-05-2012, 10:54 PM
Great Super Bowl, in my humble opinion, even if the Saints weren't in it... but now on to the DRAFT! :-D

CJSchneider
02-06-2012, 07:53 AM
I'd value Nicks over Colston. We have such a deep WR corps that losing Colston, although terrible to have to face, will hurt less than losing a OG like Nicks. Nicks protects Brees. That right there should tell you who is more valuable.

zachsaints52
02-06-2012, 11:37 AM
The thing is about our OL and money is our C and OTs are on small deals as well. I would hope all 3 take less, but that's unrealistic.

wicket
02-07-2012, 01:49 AM
The thing is about our OL and money is our C and OTs are on small deals as well. I would hope all 3 take less, but that's unrealistic.

and that because guard is hands down the more important position in our scheme

Caddy
02-07-2012, 02:21 AM
Considering you guys are in such a dilemma, the Bucs will gladly take either Marques or Carl off your hands. It's the least we can do.

Caddy
02-07-2012, 02:22 AM
Considering you guys are in such a dilemma, the Bucs will gladly take either Marques or Carl off your hands. It's the least we can do.

Saints Dome Patrol
02-07-2012, 02:59 AM
Considering you guys are in such a dilemma, the Bucs will gladly take either Marques or Carl off your hands. It's the least we can do.

Um, no. Thanks for your concern, though.

Caddy
02-07-2012, 03:08 AM
Um, no. Thanks for your concern, though.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist.

zachsaints52
02-07-2012, 12:16 PM
and that because guard is hands down the more important position in our scheme

Exactly. 10char

Saints Dome Patrol
02-16-2012, 04:52 PM
Interesting to hear your take on Spagnuolo. I can't say I disagree with you fully, but I am more optimistic on what he can do. However I do agree with the notion the he isn't going to just magically come in and make all our Defensive problems vanish. What he's going to do is bring some solid scheme work, and instill good fundamentals, but he's still going to need talented players to execute those schemes.

I believe we'll still be a team that disguises looks, and brings pressure but we won't be as "All or Nothing", Boom or Bust so to speak as we were with Greg Williams running the Defense. We'll run more Zones coverages behind our blitzes and I don't think we'll run a lot of Cover-0, or straight up Press Man, with Cover 1 and having Malcolm Jenkins account for an entire length of the field by himself, those days should be over.

I have a faith, and trust in what Payton and Loomis are doing, so if they were so straight forward in pursuing Spags, I'm going to trust their instincts on it. I do see what happened in St.Louis when he had very little talent to work with, but I also see his limited sample size with the Giants which was brilliant when he had beasts on the Defensive Line to terrorize opposing Quarterbacks. If we can get more pressure, sacks, turnovers without having to blitz as hard as Greg Williams did I will think that would be a great job.

Auron, as I'm procrastinating from work at the moment, let me say I will have to definitely sit down later and say why I have been skeptical of the Steve Spagnuolo hire.

That said, I found an article that all Saints fans, whether you support the hire or not, might find interesting.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120210_Why_Steve_Spagnuolo_didnt_rejoin_the_Eagl es.html

(On a side note: I finally hit the 1000 post mark with this lame reply!)

diabsoule
02-28-2012, 05:06 PM
The Saints re-signed Adrian Arrington and LS Justin Dreschner today

zachsaints52
02-28-2012, 05:10 PM
The Saints re-signed Adrian Arrington and LS Justin Dreschner today

I believe Arrington can supply use with a useful #3/4 WR. Did good in TC rookie year and last IIRC. Surprised no one took him.

diabsoule
02-28-2012, 10:32 PM
Really, the only things the Saints have to do are re-sign Brees, restructure Will Smith and Roman Harper, extend Jermon Bushrod, and cut Devery Henderson, Scott Shanle, and Jonathan Vilma before free agency.

zachsaints52
02-29-2012, 08:41 AM
Really, the only things the Saints have to do are re-sign Brees, restructure Will Smith and Roman Harper, extend Jermon Bushrod, and cut Devery Henderson, Scott Shanle, and Jonathan Vilma before free agency.

You mean resign Nicks...right? And since we are opening cap space, resign Colston/Meachem, right? :) If we cut Devery we have 2 WRs (Moore, Arrington/?)

Saints-Tigers
03-01-2012, 09:21 PM
I don't care about Meachem or Devery at all. We can so easily replace them, it's pointless to care about them or spend anything of any consequence on them.

I'm sick of keeping mediocre receivers just because our passing game is so strong. At least bring in some late rounders to try and develop, Colston is the only one I'd even care to pay anything significant too.

NOLAFan
03-01-2012, 10:22 PM
so i gotta ask whats with this "very good but not great" thing with Micky Loomis? Did he say that or did he say Brees was a very good QB and leave it at that?

CJSchneider
03-02-2012, 03:09 PM
Well aint this some ****!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says

Sveen
03-02-2012, 03:34 PM
I have to admit. This offseason is not looking good. We always seem to keep our core guys, but this year we could very well end up losing Nicks, Colston, Meacham and Porter plus some draft picks due to the whole bounty thing. Obviously Brees ain't going anywhere and we'll likely keep some of the other mentioned players, but it ain't looking good right now. And we don't even have a first round pick to start with. At least it can't get any worse, can it?

zachsaints52
03-02-2012, 03:37 PM
I have to admit. This offseason is not looking good. We always seem to keep our core guys, but this year we could very well end up losing Nicks, Colston, Meacham and Porter plus some draft picks due to the whole bounty thing. Obviously Brees ain't going anywhere and we'll likely keep some of the other mentioned players, but it ain't looking good right now. And we don't even have a first round pick to start with. At least it can't get any worse, can it?

It could, but Id rather not say how.

NOLAFan
03-02-2012, 07:49 PM
anyone else see the report that Brees was offered a contract to make him the highest paid player in the NFL and he turned it down? I feel as though some behind the scenes mess is screwing this organization over.
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/report_drew_brees_turned_down_highest_paid_contrac t_in_nfl_history/10216198

On top of that this Bounty thing probably ****** our entire season. Goodell is gonna go for the jugular to set an example. I expect nothing less than the Saints being crucified by outrageous suspensions and etc. Thanks alot Greg Williams because i bet anything you will get a slap on the hand while the Saints suffer harshly.

diabsoule
03-02-2012, 10:30 PM
I saw that about Brees. A part of me thinks its Loomis as the guy behind the scenes that's screwing **** up but then again it could very well be something else. I don't know what to make of the Brees contract talks. He has to know that if the team places the franchise tag on him then that leaves little room to return his best bodyguard in Nicks and one of his favorite targets in Colston.

It seems like for a guy that preaches being team first and organization first that he's really screwing them over right now.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-02-2012, 10:59 PM
I saw that about Brees. A part of me thinks its Loomis as the guy behind the scenes that's screwing **** up but then again it could very well be something else. I don't know what to make of the Brees contract talks. He has to know that if the team places the franchise tag on him then that leaves little room to return his best bodyguard in Nicks and one of his favorite targets in Colston.

It seems like for a guy that preaches being team first and organization first that he's really screwing them over right now.

Something doesn't add up. I really think there's more to it than we'll ever really know. Sadly, I think the fact that neither side (Brees and Condon or Loomis and the Saints) are willing to budge, New Orleans is going to have to tag Brees and hope to God they can sign Colston or Nicks before they both leave via free agency.

And now, with this whole "bounty" situation, we can forget about attempting to rebuild/restock our team with the draft. Methinks that we're going to lose at least our second rounder, if not multiple picks.

Sadly, I think this upcoming season is going to be tumultuous at best.

NOLAFan
03-02-2012, 11:43 PM
I agree next season is gonna be an uphill battle especially with the big unknown fines, suspensions and what have you coming the organizations way.

Diab, i still believe Brees to be the man he says and appears to be. The Saints are still a business and being a business i see them totally sayins " well drew your in your mid-thirties so we have to take all that comes with being that age into consideration." i see the business side of it more than i see a player going "nah i need more money." That said Brees should get whatever makes him happy imo. That man revitalized a piss poor example of a pro football team, and turned it into a respectable organization on the eyes of the public and nfl(until you know we found out Williams was the **** we knew he was and the Saints let it slide)

What are your guys thoughts on people calling for Sean Payton, Greg Williams and Mickey Loomis' head? I believe fines will be all that happens, and could really careless what happens to Williams but just the thought of firing Payton scares me greatly.

diabsoule
03-03-2012, 10:10 AM
I agree next season is gonna be an uphill battle especially with the big unknown fines, suspensions and what have you coming the organizations way.

Diab, i still believe Brees to be the man he says and appears to be. The Saints are still a business and being a business i see them totally sayins " well drew your in your mid-thirties so we have to take all that comes with being that age into consideration." i see the business side of it more than i see a player going "nah i need more money." That said Brees should get whatever makes him happy imo. That man revitalized a piss poor example of a pro football team, and turned it into a respectable organization on the eyes of the public and nfl(until you know we found out Williams was the **** we knew he was and the Saints let it slide)

What are your guys thoughts on people calling for Sean Payton, Greg Williams and Mickey Loomis' head? I believe fines will be all that happens, and could really careless what happens to Williams but just the thought of firing Payton scares me greatly.

I agree with 2/3 of that list and that would be Williams and Loomis' heads. The common denominator in all of this is Gregg Williams especially now that he has a history of doing this with the Redskins and Titans. Each team he has coached has been considered dirty. People calling for his head are justified and his head is what should be given to Goodell on a dirty platter. What he did was disgraceful and reminiscent of foregone age in the NFL when that type of **** was tolerated. There's a reason there aren't any more Buddy Ryan's and why those who coach similar to him are going the way of the dinosaur.

As far as Loomis - I don't see him keeping his job. According to one report, Benson knew about the bounties and told Loomis to make it stop and he ignored that request. Take that, couple it with the pill scandal from a few years ago, sprinkle in a little "very good QB" comment from a few days ago and Loomis has the makings of someone who will be fired posthaste.

I, for one, wouldn't shed any tears over it. He's had some good years but then he's had some **** years. His biggest contributions were bringing in Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Scott Fujita as free agents. While those are the greatest additions in Saints history (Fujita debatable), he's also had one decent sized scandal (pills) and now this bounty system.

The scouting department is the strength of the Saints and that has reflected very favorably upon Loomis. If not for them players like Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Carl Nicks, Jahri Evans, Marques Colston, Chris Ivory, Jermon Bushrod, and Zach Strief all wouldn't have found their way to New Orleans as mid to late draft picks or UDFA's.

Scandal aside, the Saints have the foundation for a team to be successful for many years to come and shouldn't have a problem finding a smart and savvy GM candidate to come to the team.

Sveen
03-03-2012, 10:42 AM
My prediction on what will be the punishment for this whole bounty thing.

Greg Williams
He was behind the whole thing, but is no longer with the Saints. I'm guessing he will be hit with a 4-8 game suspension plus a hefty fine.

Mickey Loomis
He knew about it, but didn't do anything. If I understand it correctly you could also say that he can be held responsible for what the head coach and coordinators are doing. Will be hit with a large fine and might be out of a job when it's all said and done.

Sean Payton
Also knew about it, but didn't do anything about it. Will also get a fine, and might also be hit with a 1-4 game suspension.

The players
22-27 players is said to be involved. We don't know how many will still be with the team when the season starts. I'm guessing we'll see fines and 1-4 game suspensions being handed out to everyone involved.

The organization
I'd expect to see Goodell take away our 2nd round pick this year, our 1st next year and maybe an extra pick this year. There's a lot that can be done to the organization, so it might also be a combination of draft picks and something else.

Thoughs?

Saints Dome Patrol
03-03-2012, 11:47 AM
My prediction on what will be the punishment for this whole bounty thing.

Greg Williams
He was behind the whole thing, but is no longer with the Saints. I'm guessing he will be hit with a 4-8 game suspension plus a hefty fine.

Mickey Loomis
He knew about it, but didn't do anything. If I understand it correctly you could also say that he can be held responsible for what the head coach and coordinators are doing. Will be hit with a large fine and might be out of a job when it's all said and done.

Sean Payton
Also knew about it, but didn't do anything about it. Will also get a fine, and might also be hit with a 1-4 game suspension.

The players
22-27 players is said to be involved. We don't know how many will still be with the team when the season starts. I'm guessing we'll see fines and 1-4 game suspensions being handed out to everyone involved.

The organization
I'd expect to see Goodell take away our 2nd round pick this year, our 1st next year and maybe an extra pick this year. There's a lot that can be done to the organization, so it might also be a combination of draft picks and something else.

Thoughs?

Sveen, good to see you back, first and foremost.

That said, I think that you're, unfortunately for the Saints, right on the money. Supposedly, there have been whispers that New Orleans should lose their franchise tag, but I don't see that happening.

Also, some people, including NFL on CBS analyst Boomer Esiason said that Gregg Williams should be fired. I don't know if the NFL will strike down that hard; however, this seems to be a pattern of behavior from the Redskins, Titans and now the Saints.

We will just have to wait and see. This and the whole Drew Brees situation is just really making my stomach tie up in knots. Hopefully both will be resolved sooner rather than later so we can move forward.

J-Mike88
03-03-2012, 11:59 AM
My prediction on what will be the punishment for this whole bounty thing.
The organization
I'd expect to see Goodell take away our 2nd round pick this year, our 1st next year and maybe an extra pick this year. There's a lot that can be done to the organization, so it might also be a combination of draft picks and something else.

Thoughs?
I have to be honest, it wouldn't bother me to see you guys punished that severely (because we are competing for the Super Bowl), but I honestly do not see them taking away your top pick this year AND next year.

We'll see, but I don't anticipate that much in terms of draft picks.

diabsoule
03-03-2012, 02:43 PM
According to Jay Glazer the Saints have tagged Drew Brees
https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/176043156381515776

Sveen
03-03-2012, 03:10 PM
Good to be back Saints Dome Patrol. I've been following the Saints as much as always, but just haven't had the time to be here as much.

With Brees getting the franchise tag we can say goodbye to Carl Nicks and probably Marques Colston too. I still have hope we might be able to keep Robert Meachem and/or Tracy Porter, but that remains to be seen. Obviously we won't be getting many or any starters in the draft so free agency will be more important than ever this year. Hopefully we can find one or two diamonds in the rough.

And bye the way. The next time Brees finds himself on the ground after getting pressure up the middle he can thank himself for sure. Got to say that if everything is as it's being reported I'm very disappointed in our leader and "team first" quarterback.

diabsoule
03-03-2012, 09:22 PM
I'm starting to like the franchise tag, actually. Wait, before I'm drawn and quartered, hear me out:

The exclusive rights tag counts for $15.4 million, which is far less than a salary we would pay Brees with a new contract. It's (hopefully) taken as a sign of faith that the organization is still willing to negotiate throughout the season when the money can be applied towards next season if a new contract is signed.

By saving that money with the tag (and by restructuring Will Smith's contract) the Saints now have money to work with towards re-signing Carl Nicks to a deal similar to the one Jahri Evans received. If we release Vilma then that gives us additional money to either re-sign Colston or Meachem.

The Saints would have to be frugal in FA signings but that's nothing new. Re-signing JoLonn Dunbar, Jeff Charleston, and possibly signing Chris Chamberlain to compete at OLB (along with a couple other low to mid players) and the Saints shouldn't skip a bit.

Of course this is very optimistic but that's what we have to be like with this **** show that just came out yesterday. I know Brees wants to remain in New Orleans and if he can bear with the franchise tag for a season then the FO can continue to negotiate a deal for next year which would be more beneficial to the team than getting one done this year.

LonghornsLegend
03-04-2012, 01:57 AM
You think that would be fine to let him play the season out on the tag? You just don't see that all too often with top 5 QB's, and/or the best player on the team. No player ever wants to do that, and it can be viewed as a lack of disrespect to that player.

Ideally it does make more sense in your scenario, but it just seems like it would cause a problem more then anything.

Sveen
03-04-2012, 04:27 AM
I'd be shocked to see Brees play the season under the franchise tag. He did that his last season in San Diego and we all know how that went for him. However I don't like what this means for our chances of re-signing Carl Nicks. He will go to the highest bidder and I can't see that being us. Honestly I think he'll end up a Dallas Cowboy when it's all said and done.

diabsoule
03-04-2012, 05:53 PM
My prediction on what will be the punishment for this whole bounty thing.

Greg Williams
He was behind the whole thing, but is no longer with the Saints. I'm guessing he will be hit with a 4-8 game suspension plus a hefty fine.

Mickey Loomis
He knew about it, but didn't do anything. If I understand it correctly you could also say that he can be held responsible for what the head coach and coordinators are doing. Will be hit with a large fine and might be out of a job when it's all said and done.

Sean Payton
Also knew about it, but didn't do anything about it. Will also get a fine, and might also be hit with a 1-4 game suspension.

The players
22-27 players is said to be involved. We don't know how many will still be with the team when the season starts. I'm guessing we'll see fines and 1-4 game suspensions being handed out to everyone involved.

The organization
I'd expect to see Goodell take away our 2nd round pick this year, our 1st next year and maybe an extra pick this year. There's a lot that can be done to the organization, so it might also be a combination of draft picks and something else.

Thoughs?

Here are my predictions for what will happen knowing full well that Goodell is going to HAMMER everyone involved in the Bounty System.

Gregg Williams
The bounty system started with Williams and now with reports coming out that he did this in Washington and Buffalo along with New Orleans he's in big trouble.
Prediction: Lifetime ban

Mickey Loomis
He knew about it, was ordered by Benson to make it stop, and ignored his boss. He'll be held responsible for what the coaches under him, his subordinates, are doing.
Prediction: Fired and fined $250,000

Sean Payton
Bill Belichick was held responsible for Spycam (refuse to name anything _Gate) and he'll be held responsible for what one of his coordinators did. He won't be fired but he'll be heavily fined more than Belichick was.
Prediction: $750,000 fine

The players
Bobby McCray is one of the players that could be held accountable but he's out of the league. Jon Vilma, who put $10k up to anyone that took Brett Favre out in the NFCCG will be definitely targeted.
Prediction: 8 game suspension. $100,000 fine

The organization
Of course the organization, just like the Patriots, will be held accountable as well.
Prediction: Loss of 2012 2nd round pick, loss of 2013 1st round pick, $500,000 fine

CJSchneider
03-04-2012, 06:47 PM
I can only hope you are wrong.

zachsaints52
03-06-2012, 10:49 AM
At least we get.... Moss?

diabsoule
03-06-2012, 11:35 PM
**** that.

This whole "Bounty Hunt" is a witch hunt. Goodell is just trying to flex his nuts and it's going to just hurt the image of the league.

NOLAFan
03-07-2012, 01:46 AM
You know the more i think on this Bounty thing, i feel as though Goodell is gonna bring the pain on the Saints for being told to end all bounties and lying to the NFL. I believe that both media and the PR for the NFL are twisting this into some morality issue with trying to hurt other players. After seeing so many players come out and say "this ain't new. we've been doing this forever." tells me that the degree in which the Saints placed bounties on players is being blown way out of proportion. I believe it was Darren Woodson who i feel pretty much told us "Regular Joes" how it is: He stated that the terminology like Knock Out and etc are being twisted by both the NFL and the media to mean something awful, when in fact most NFL players associate those words with something totally different, like knocking someone out doesnt equate to a cart off or unconscious and stuff it is basically a damn good lick on the opposition.

On a related side note, i hate how all these players such as Farve are coming out saying how they felt the Saints intent was to be dirty and how the hits they took were clearly dirty. I'm sorry but if there wasnt a flag during the game and was ruled clean, or didnt result in a fine after the game was reviewed, you need to GTFO. Going back and looking at past games going "this hit right here was cheap" and etc is ridiculous. It was ruled clean in the freaking game how can it be determine to be dirty after the fact. There is way too much assumption going on in this "scandal" and i fear that is gonna cripple this team even further.

diabsoule
03-07-2012, 06:19 PM
In other news - the Saints re-signed C Brian de la Puente

zachsaints52
03-07-2012, 11:47 PM
In other news - the Saints re-signed C Brian de la Puente

We will see how good he really is if we dont resign Nicks.

Id rather not find out to be honest.

CJSchneider
03-08-2012, 10:53 AM
You know the more i think on this Bounty thing, i feel as though Goodell is gonna bring the pain on the Saints for being told to end all bounties and lying to the NFL. I believe that both media and the PR for the NFL are twisting this into some morality issue with trying to hurt other players. After seeing so many players come out and say "this ain't new. we've been doing this forever." tells me that the degree in which the Saints placed bounties on players is being blown way out of proportion. I believe it was Darren Woodson who i feel pretty much told us "Regular Joes" how it is: He stated that the terminology like Knock Out and etc are being twisted by both the NFL and the media to mean something awful, when in fact most NFL players associate those words with something totally different, like knocking someone out doesnt equate to a cart off or unconscious and stuff it is basically a damn good lick on the opposition.

On a related side note, i hate how all these players such as Farve are coming out saying how they felt the Saints intent was to be dirty and how the hits they took were clearly dirty. I'm sorry but if there wasnt a flag during the game and was ruled clean, or didnt result in a fine after the game was reviewed, you need to GTFO. Going back and looking at past games going "this hit right here was cheap" and etc is ridiculous. It was ruled clean in the freaking game how can it be determine to be dirty after the fact. There is way too much assumption going on in this "scandal" and i fear that is gonna cripple this team even further.

I'm really hoping that the reason we have not seen/heard about the punishment levied by Goodell is because they are being thorough and making sure they get it right as opposed to acting on the media's "sensationalism".

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 07:19 AM
Is anyone else disappointed in how Drew Brees is handling this offseason? He's threatening to hold out until he receives a new contract while demanding almost 5 million more a year than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. That's not a good look for a NFL, team, and city leader.

wicket
03-09-2012, 11:50 AM
Is anyone else disappointed in how Drew Brees is handling this offseason? He's threatening to hold out until he receives a new contract while demanding almost 5 million more a year than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. That's not a good look for a NFL, team, and city leader.

seconded, he knows he has quite a bit of leverage and he seems to be using every dime of it

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 12:22 PM
Is anyone else disappointed in how Drew Brees is handling this offseason? He's threatening to hold out until he receives a new contract while demanding almost 5 million more a year than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. That's not a good look for a NFL, team, and city leader.

seconded, he knows he has quite a bit of leverage and he seems to be using every dime of it

Third..ed.
Doesnt he know that the more we spend on him the farther awat from a SB we will be?

CJSchneider
03-10-2012, 12:31 PM
4th...

You think he'd want us to be able to spend some money on protecting him.

zachsaints52
03-11-2012, 10:07 PM
I wish they'd tell us the punishment and I knew how much money in cap we have.

zachsaints52
03-12-2012, 01:13 PM
Restructed Evans deal to free up 2 mil in cap space and tendered Cassilas to lowest tender. Daniel hasnt gotten a offer.

CJSchneider
03-12-2012, 05:57 PM
Restructed Evans deal to free up 2 mil in cap space and tendered Cassilas to lowest tender. Daniel hasnt gotten a offer.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Saints-Agree-To-Terms-With-QB-Chase-Daniel/c449c8e2-b3a2-4824-a9be-7f92038a3989

Check again.

zachsaints52
03-12-2012, 07:21 PM
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Saints-Agree-To-Terms-With-QB-Chase-Daniel/c449c8e2-b3a2-4824-a9be-7f92038a3989

Check again.

That was 2 hours after I posted my post!

Saints Dome Patrol
03-13-2012, 12:17 PM
As per ESPN, the New Orleans Saints have inked wide receiver Marques Colston to a new five year deal.

Link: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7681315/new-orleans-saints-keep-wr-marques-colston-5-year-deal-source-says

diabsoule
03-13-2012, 05:56 PM
Carl Nicks is drawing a lot of interest from the Bucs.
Also, the Saints brought in OG Ben Grubbs today to negotiate. If Nicks leaves, Grubbs would be an ideal replacement

zachsaints52
03-13-2012, 10:09 PM
Not a big fan of how the off season is going. Colston got 8 mil a year? Rather have used that, add a mil, and got Nicks signed first.

Sveen
03-14-2012, 03:26 AM
Robert Meachem has signed with the Chargers. Would have liked to keep him of course, but it's a loss I'll gladly take as the downside of signing Marques Colston.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8279670a/article/former-saints-wr-meachem-agrees-to-fouryear-chargers-deal?module=HP11_headline_stack

Sveen
03-14-2012, 09:18 AM
And there goes Carl Nicks too. Signed with Tampa Bay for 5 years, $47.5M.

zachsaints52
03-14-2012, 02:13 PM
Suppose to get Ben Grubbs, which is not that big of a downgrade.

CJSchneider
03-14-2012, 02:14 PM
With Nicks gone, I hope we land Grubbs. I hope Brees is happy with what he gets as opposed to asking for 5 mil more this year.

zachsaints52
03-14-2012, 05:14 PM
He was on Mike and Mike this morning. He was asked about the tag and he referenced how he played under the tag once and was injured. Sounds like he may sit after all.

diabsoule
03-14-2012, 05:19 PM
Man, I hope we can sign Grubbs. That would offset the departure of Nicks and the guard play wouldn't likely skip a beat.

I hope Brees comes to his senses soon and takes a deal that does pay him a good bit but also allows the Saints some room to sign more FA's.

Just hypothetically, what do you think Brees would fetch on the open market? CLE, SEA, MIA, etc might be willing to give up a king's ransom for him. Saints could bring in Flynn and be armed with a metric ton of draft picks.

zachsaints52
03-14-2012, 05:21 PM
Man, I hope we can sign Grubbs. That would offset the departure of Nicks and the guard play wouldn't likely skip a beat.

I hope Brees comes to his senses soon and takes a deal that does pay him a good bit but also allows the Saints some room to sign more FA's.

Just hypothetically, what do you think Brees would fetch on the open market? CLE, SEA, MIA, etc might be willing to give up a king's ransom for him. Saints could bring in Flynn and be armed with a metric ton of draft picks.

Id rather have a year of Chas then have Flynn. Plus signing Flynn would negate the Brees signing. Plus I dont want to lose Brees.

CJSchneider
03-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Yeah, I don't really want to lose Brees either.

diabsoule
03-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Rumor circulating that the Saints bounty system punishment will be a loss of 3 draft picks and a 2 year post season ban

bigbluedefense
03-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Rumor circulating that the Saints bounty system punishment will be a loss of 3 draft picks and a 2 year post season ban

You're joking right?

zachsaints52
03-14-2012, 09:11 PM
Rumor circulating that the Saints bounty system punishment will be a loss of 3 draft picks and a 2 year post season ban

Theres no way a postseason ban would be in place.

CJSchneider
03-14-2012, 10:41 PM
Rumor circulating that the Saints bounty system punishment will be a loss of 3 draft picks and a 2 year post season ban

Is this rumor being spread by Falcons fans or by Cowboy fans?

diabsoule
03-15-2012, 05:21 PM
Yyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy!

We Got Ben Grubbs!!!!

zachsaints52
03-15-2012, 06:17 PM
Not a big drop off to Grubbs, and cost 1.5 mil less a year. Cant say thats the brightest spot this off season for sure.

Did you guys know because of getting rid of Stinchcomb last year we are eating almost 5 mil against the cap this year?

diabsoule
03-16-2012, 07:33 PM
Not a big drop off to Grubbs, and cost 1.5 mil less a year. Cant say thats the brightest spot this off season for sure.

Did you guys know because of getting rid of Stinchcomb last year we are eating almost 5 mil against the cap this year?

That blows a lot.

I wish we had the money to make a run at Kamerion Wimbley. Dude would beast in Spags system in a Kiwanuka role

Saints Dome Patrol
03-20-2012, 12:19 AM
What do you all think about the recent rumors heating up that the New Orleans Saints could be a possible landing spot for Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow?

Sveen
03-20-2012, 09:50 AM
I haven't heard the rumor, but I really can't see it happening. I know Sean Payton is a brilliant play-caller, but I have a hard time envisioning how we would use him. Obviously we aren't taking Brees off the field, and looking at how few snaps there are for each of our runningbacks we really don't need to take any more snaps away from them to have Tebow run the ball.

I would however love to see Tebow partying on Bourbon Street :D

zachsaints52
03-20-2012, 11:35 AM
I'd love Tebow on the Saints as a backup. Learning from Drew and Sean, he could really develop. He has the heart and determination we would love.

diabsoule
03-20-2012, 05:56 PM
I haven't heard the rumors of the Saints pursuing Tebow. If they are they should stop immediately and instead concentrate on signing Brees while bringing in Broderick Bunkley and either David Hawthorne or Curtis Lofton.

CJSchneider
03-20-2012, 08:43 PM
Yeah, I don't need us to go after Tebow.

FTRWRTR
03-21-2012, 12:06 PM
It's official, you guys lose Sean Payton for the year and give up two second round draft picks.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-21-2012, 12:10 PM
It's official, you guys lose Sean Payton for the year and give up two second round draft picks.

As per ESPN.com, here is the story of the league's penalties for the Saints:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7718136/sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-banned-one-year-bounties

FTRWRTR
03-21-2012, 12:27 PM
The good news is that Brees will now get the longterm deal he wanted.

redbills
03-21-2012, 12:28 PM
U guys should have just cheated like the pats* would have only lost a draft pick.

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 01:10 PM
This is gonna hurt. We haven't even learned of the player suspensions yet.
Edit: on a good note, looks like we will have a sweet 1st rounder next year.

NOLAFan
03-21-2012, 06:36 PM
anyone see this as the beginning of the end? I feel now that Brees won't come back and that this will allow Payton an out if he wants to to take the job he has been rumored to want for a while, the Cowboys.

Sveen
03-22-2012, 04:34 AM
With these penalities coming down I think it's safe to say that we should just start looking ahead to 2013. I don't see any way where we can be competative without our head coach, our GM for half the season, without any picks in the top two rounds and with a lot of player suspensions coming. Not to mention the whole Brees thing. If Payton can get a a year I wouldn't be surprised if Vilma also is lost for the season and a bunch of other guys missing 4-8 games.

Not that it matters much at this point, but I like the Bunkley signing.

CJSchneider
03-22-2012, 07:47 AM
So, this is what it feels like the morning after being savagely raped.

FTRWRTR
03-22-2012, 12:58 PM
With these penalities coming down I think it's safe to say that we should just start looking ahead to 2013. I don't see any way where we can be competative without our head coach, our GM for half the season, without any picks in the top two rounds and with a lot of player suspensions coming. Not to mention the whole Brees thing. If Payton can get a a year I wouldn't be surprised if Vilma also is lost for the season and a bunch of other guys missing 4-8 games.
I'm with Herm Edwards, Jabari Greer and others who think this will bond the team and give them a "us against the world" mentality. I don't think you guys will contend for the SB but I'd be surprised if the Saints end up under 500. You still have Brees and that incredible offense and resigning Colston was HUGE IMO.

wicket
03-22-2012, 04:07 PM
am i the only one who is bothered by the franchise getting penalties but the skins and bills not even getting an investigation even though it is admitted the same things were going on there as well?

diabsoule
03-22-2012, 05:16 PM
am i the only one who is bothered by the franchise getting penalties but the skins and bills not even getting an investigation even though it is admitted the same things were going on there as well?

I'm bothered by a ton of it.

Mainly I'm bothered by Goodell who has this thing about being lied to. If you're honest with him, he'll still hurt you, lie to him and he's going to bend you over and stick something 6" deep without lube - which he did to the Saint.

He's such a ******* prick, man. I could understand if a former player who was commissioner handed the penalty down but Goodell last strapped on pads when he played peewee ball.

This guy is worried about player safety but also wanted an 18 game season. Not only has he conveniently ignored investigating the other 31 teams but is also oblivious to the fact that the Giants targeted concussed players and the Steelers and Ravens put bounties on players when they play one another.

Goodell being judge, jury, and executioner is a travesty as the NFL needs a checks and balances system considering that Goodell is a dictator and ruling as such.

wicket
03-22-2012, 05:30 PM
I'm bothered by a ton of it.

Mainly I'm bothered by Goodell who has this thing about being lied to. If you're honest with him, he'll still hurt you, lie to him and he's going to bend you over and stick something 6" deep without lube - which he did to the Saint.

He's such a ******* prick, man. I could understand if a former player who was commissioner handed the penalty down but Goodell last strapped on pads when he played peewee ball.

This guy is worried about player safety but also wanted an 18 game season. Not only has he conveniently ignored investigating the other 31 teams but is also oblivious to the fact that the Giants targeted concussed players and the Steelers and Ravens put bounties on players when they play one another.

Goodell being judge, jury, and executioner is a travesty as the NFL needs a checks and balances system considering that Goodell is a dictator and ruling as such.

totally seconded, every single part of it

CJSchneider
03-22-2012, 11:00 PM
I'm bothered by a ton of it.

Mainly I'm bothered by Goodell who has this thing about being lied to. If you're honest with him, he'll still hurt you, lie to him and he's going to bend you over and stick something 6" deep without lube - which he did to the Saint.

He's such a ******* prick, man. I could understand if a former player who was commissioner handed the penalty down but Goodell last strapped on pads when he played peewee ball.

This guy is worried about player safety but also wanted an 18 game season. Not only has he conveniently ignored investigating the other 31 teams but is also oblivious to the fact that the Giants targeted concussed players and the Steelers and Ravens put bounties on players when they play one another.

Goodell being judge, jury, and executioner is a travesty as the NFL needs a checks and balances system considering that Goodell is a dictator and ruling as such.

Is there any appeal process that Payton and players can go through?

NOLAFan
03-23-2012, 02:42 AM
What the NFL needs is a commitee to hand out punishments on teams. I think the punishments hand out to the Saints were fair tbh but i feel as though the amount of time for the coaches(excluding Williams) and Loomis were messed up. If anything Loomis should have gotten the year followed by Payton with 8-10 games then Vitt with his 6 games. Having one man with the power to punish on a whim if he feels like it. CJ i doubt Payton will try to appeal this suspension

Sveen
03-23-2012, 02:50 AM
Tracy Porter is going to the Broncos. (http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/03/former_new_orleans_saints_corn_1.html)

I guess it's time for Johnny Patrick to step up now.

CJSchneider
03-23-2012, 07:50 AM
What the NFL needs is a commitee to hand out punishments on teams. I think the punishments hand out to the Saints were fair tbh but i feel as though the amount of time for the coaches(excluding Williams) and Loomis were messed up. If anything Loomis should have gotten the year followed by Payton with 8-10 games then Vitt with his 6 games. Having one man with the power to punish on a whim if he feels like it. CJ i doubt Payton will try to appeal this suspension

The man stands to lose 6 million ******* dollars. I sure as **** would appeal.

diabsoule
03-23-2012, 09:09 PM
The Saints signed OLB Chris Chamberlain to a 3 year deal. He followed Spags from St. L to NOLA

NOLAFan
03-23-2012, 09:42 PM
The man stands to lose 6 million ******* dollars. I sure as **** would appeal.

I don't think he will. Goodell is obviously trying to set the tone for this type of thing being brought from behind the current of any organization and if i was Payton i was seriously mull it over and opt not to do it. Goodell being the dick he is would see to it that nothing comes of the appeal. Goodell is gonna make sure the punished stay punished for the duration he set forth. I feel it would be a waste of time for Payton to appeal. He isnt gonna get out of his year long suspension. Someone like Vitt i could see getting his suspension lowered but not Payton.

Does the signing of Chamberlain (sp) take Curtis Lofton out of the equation?

wicket
03-24-2012, 06:10 AM
am i the only one wondering how soft this defense wouldve been if not for the bounty program. Saints D had about the least fines, cartoffs, injuries and such forced of the entire league, is our D really that soft by themselves?

Saints Dome Patrol
03-24-2012, 10:12 PM
Does the signing of Chamberlain (sp) take Curtis Lofton out of the equation?

Thank goodness, but apparently not...

As per ESPN.com:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7733261/2012-nfl-free-agency-curtis-lofton-new-orleans-saints-agree-5-year-deal

So, even in the dark shadows of the whole bounty situation, (and yes, I know we did also lose three free agents in Meachem, Nicks, and Porter) the Saints were able to sign four players, Ben Grubbs, Chris Chamberlain, Broderick Bunkley and now, according to ESPN, Curtis Lofton.

diabsoule
03-25-2012, 12:49 AM
I'm ecstatic about this offseason haul. Lofton, Chamberlain, and Tez Wilson is one of the best linebacking units the Saints have had in some time and Cam Jordan, Bunkley, Ellis, and the Fresh Prince is a pretty damn good starting DL.

wicket
03-25-2012, 03:02 AM
yeah, free agency has gone about as good as we couldve asked for

Auron
03-25-2012, 11:59 AM
Kind of surprised to see how well Free Agency has gone, even through all the rough stuff we've been through during the off-season it hasn't deterred key Free Agents from signing with the Saints.

There still is the looming issue of the Brees deal not being re-solved, here's to hoping they can work out a contract with him very soon.

Also a shame we have a bare-bones Draft class to work with now, but if we can get Brees a satisfactory deal and he comes into camp happy, I still think the Saints can contend for a playoff spot even without Payton.

diabsoule
03-25-2012, 08:08 PM
One thing the signing of Chamberlain and Lofton has done is decrease the need for linebackers.

The FO set themselves up to go bpa in the draft which is always a good thing. I for one would love to see Ladarius Green in a Saints uniform. Him and Graham w/ Colston and Moore would be ridiculous.

CJSchneider
03-25-2012, 09:50 PM
yeah, free agency has gone about as good as we couldve asked for

I'm just wondering how we plan on affording it.

CJSchneider
03-26-2012, 08:19 PM
I don't think he will.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Akdt82FhqHghAaIQfUVWGxk5nYcB?slug=ap-nflmeetings-payton

At least he is considering it at present.

Bert Macklin
03-27-2012, 10:22 AM
yeah, free agency has gone about as good as we couldve asked for
Loomis absolutely wrecked **** in FA Goodell is probably pissed at how well we did.

Bert Macklin
03-27-2012, 10:30 AM
i love this


Q: Do you have a better chance to win a Super Bowl with the Saints?

A: Yes. I look at it like this. When you go to a team, it would be dumb not to think that you don’t have a better chance to win a Super Bowl with that team. I feel like Atlanta and the Saints have been evenly matched. But I really feel like there is more talent with the Saints. They defintiely can score more than two points in a playoff game. I will say that.

Bert Macklin
03-29-2012, 10:02 AM
How pissed are the falcons if this is true?

quote:
-New Orleans signs MLB Curtis Lofton to a 5-year, $30 million contract with $9 million guaranteed....

diabsoule
03-29-2012, 09:26 PM
How pissed are the falcons if this is true?

Damn, that's a really manageable contract

Auron
03-30-2012, 10:23 PM
So does anyone actually buy that Parcells is considering coaching for us this year? It has been said that Payton and him chatted but no official deal was offered yet.

Is this just a smoke screen until Payton can have his appeal heard, so the organization can have more time to pick a replacement from within, and get their Draft strategy set up? Or does anything Parcells' might actually come out of retirement to Coach the Saints for a season?

CJSchneider
03-31-2012, 05:49 PM
I honestly think it serves both purposes. Parcells does the job as a favor to Payton and the appeal process gives the FO more time to line things up before the Goddell "BAN HAMMER" falls.

Saints Dome Patrol
04-01-2012, 12:49 PM
How pissed are the falcons if this is true?

-New Orleans signs MLB Curtis Lofton to a 5-year, $30 million contract with $9 million guaranteed....

Damn, that's a really manageable contract

Not only is it manageable, ESPN's NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas says the deal is back-loaded as Lofton's first-year salary cap figure is only $1.7 million because his base salary for the first year is only $700,000. He did get a $5 million dollar signing bonus, however. Now, of course, that's just for the first year, and he would be due a $5 million roster bonus in 2013.

For the whole blog post: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth

Saints Dome Patrol
04-01-2012, 01:00 PM
Hmmm...interesting... *strokes chin*

As per ESPN's Pat Yaskinsas:

The Saints are scheduled to host free-agent cornerback Kelvin Hayden this weekend. He spent last season with the Atlanta Falcons. The Saints lost Tracy Porter in free agency, but arenít in bad shape with veteran Jabari Greer and young players Patrick Robinson and Johnny Patrick. But it wouldnít hurt to add a solid and experienced player like Hayden, who isnít likely to command a high salary.

Flyboy
04-01-2012, 01:14 PM
People can say what they like about the whole Bountygate issue and all that, our team has CLEANED up this FA. Grubbs to replace Nicks, re-signed Colston, AND Curtis Lofton from a division rival? Not to mention Chris Chamberlain but I'm lukewarm on that signing..

diabsoule
04-01-2012, 01:16 PM
I'm down with Hayden. He should come cheap, he's experienced, and would likely be our dime corner, and a pretty damn good dime corner at that.

Still, I'd like to shore up the DL first before going after Hayden. Someone like Amobi Okoye would be a stellar addition and would give us a rotation of Ellis, Bunkley, and Okoye which would be one of the better DL rotations we've had in quite some time.

If there's a way we could get Okoye and Hayden then we'd be set in the draft to just go BPA.

Flyboy
04-01-2012, 01:20 PM
Yeah, our interior DL looks limited. We have, who - Ellis/Bunkley/Tom Johnson? Pretty damn thin... but adding a player there and signing Hayden would be top notch.

Auron
04-01-2012, 02:41 PM
Has any team signed Aubrayo Franklin, or Rogers yet? Maybe we can snatch one of 'em back up with another cheap 1 year deal. This has been a very good FA class, the only thing I wish we'd still do is give Brees some long term security with his long term contract.. because I feel uneasy about him playing under the Franchise Tag.

I think we're really going to have hit some home runs this Draft, and find some diamonds in the rough.

CJSchneider
04-01-2012, 03:31 PM
As per the nfl.com free agent tracker, neither one has been signed yet.

diabsoule
04-01-2012, 04:47 PM
Has any team signed Aubrayo Franklin, or Rogers yet? Maybe we can snatch one of 'em back up with another cheap 1 year deal. This has been a very good FA class, the only thing I wish we'd still do is give Brees some long term security with his long term contract.. because I feel uneasy about him playing under the Franchise Tag.

I think we're really going to have hit some home runs this Draft, and find some diamonds in the rough.

This draft is paramount. The scouting dept. will definitely earn their money paycheck this year. I'd like to see the team set up to go BPA and hopefully they can get a few pieces that will help them out. I have a feeling, though, that they'll target a WR, TE, DL, and OL in the draft. Just a gut feeling.

Auron
04-01-2012, 05:28 PM
This draft is paramount. The scouting dept. will definitely earn their money paycheck this year. I'd like to see the team set up to go BPA and hopefully they can get a few pieces that will help them out. I have a feeling, though, that they'll target a WR, TE, DL, and OL in the draft. Just a gut feeling.
Right this one will really test the strength of our scouting department. As they (most likely) won't be able to consult with Payton or Loomis on Draft Day decisions, and we're already working shorthanded without our top picks.

I trust them to get the job done. They've pulled out quality players in late rounds of the Draft before Colston, Bushrod, Nicks, Graham. Hopefully they can work their magic again this year, the Undrafted guys we bring in will be crucial as well.

wicket
04-03-2012, 04:06 PM
saints sign david hawthorne (how?????)

diabsoule
04-03-2012, 04:59 PM
I have no idea how the Saints pulled off the Hawthorne signing but I think it means the end of Vilma and Shanle, especially to save money. I'd expect both to be cut very soon.

wicket
04-03-2012, 05:29 PM
I have no idea how the Saints pulled off the Hawthorne signing but I think it means the end of Vilma and Shanle, especially to save money. I'd expect both to be cut very soon.

which im totally fine with

start with lofton, hawthorne and wilson with a few young backups like casillas and i am much more optimistic about the lb core

diabsoule
04-03-2012, 06:32 PM
which im totally fine with

start with lofton, hawthorne and wilson with a few young backups like casillas and i am much more optimistic about the lb core

Same here. Cutting Shanle and Vilma would save about $6.6 mil, iirc.

Have a starting LB group of Chamberlain, Lofton, and Hawthorne w/ Tez, Casillas as backups and I'd be a happy camper.

CJSchneider
04-04-2012, 09:59 AM
I have no idea how the Saints pulled off the Hawthorne signing but I think it means the end of Vilma and Shanle, especially to save money. I'd expect both to be cut very soon.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm going to hate to see Vilma go, cap necessity or other-wise.

CJSchneider
04-06-2012, 05:49 PM
I just listened to the Williams audio; I'm not sure what the big deal is.

Don Vito
04-06-2012, 05:51 PM
What happened to JoLonn Dunbar

CJSchneider
04-06-2012, 06:00 PM
He signed with the Rams.

Don Vito
04-06-2012, 06:05 PM
Thanks. I've always been a Dunbar fan since his BC days. Probably followed Williams to STL thats too bad.

Flyboy
04-07-2012, 10:46 AM
I just listened to the Williams audio; I'm not sure what the big deal is.

Neither do I to be honest with you. I've played football and that's not uncommon to hear from a defensive coach and I used to hear things like that in middle school. The only things that I didn't like was talking about Crabtree's ACL... now, our players didn't purposely target his ACL but still. Oh, and talking about how he'll pay for the first one.

jackalope
04-07-2012, 03:37 PM
Just out of curiosity, what's the word on Charles Brown? I liked him coming out in 2010 and was wondering how he's been.

Saints Dome Patrol
04-07-2012, 03:39 PM
I just listened to the Williams audio; I'm not sure what the big deal is.

Neither do I to be honest with you. I've played football and that's not uncommon to hear from a defensive coach and I used to hear things like that in middle school. The only things that I didn't like was talking about Crabtree's ACL... now, our players didn't purposely target his ACL but still. Oh, and talking about how he'll pay for the first one.

I have to agree with the both of you. And no, that's not because I'm a die-hard Saints fan. It's because Gregg Williams' pregame speech was no different than any other coach telling his team to go after a star player or to "play to the whistle".

The problem is, since Commissioner Goody-too-shoes wants to crack down players now because he suddenly cares about player safety (although this is the same league that endorsed products like Madden video games that featured "hit sticks" and ESPN pregame shows that has segments like "Jacked Up!" and so on), the commish decided to make an example of New Orleans.

Of course, the other thing that is seemingly being swept under the rug, is that the filmmaker Pamphilon released the audio of the Williams speech against the will of Saints defensive back Steve Gleason. The whole reason that guy was in the locker room and allowed behind-the-scenes access of the Saints and ultimately, Williams' speech was because of that documentary.

Sadly, this jerk probably figured he'd make more money and get more notoriety if he leaked the clip of this speech than he would from the upcoming documentary.

diabsoule
04-07-2012, 06:11 PM
Just out of curiosity, what's the word on Charles Brown? I liked him coming out in 2010 and was wondering how he's been.

He was injured his rookie year and struggled in practice last year. Looks to be nothing more than a backup OL

zachsaints52
04-08-2012, 09:20 AM
Im glad with the moves we have made for the LB core. We needed Shanle out asap.

Honestly, I say our biggest needs are DE/SS (F U ROMAN HARPER)

Bert Macklin
04-16-2012, 08:35 AM
Loomis is amazing. Hawthorne's contract details


Hawthorne signed a five-year, $19 million deal, which included a $3.8 million signing bonus.

The deal is very cap friendly this season. Hawthorne will earn a $700,000 base salary in 2012, giving him a salary cap figure of only $1.46 million.

In 2013, Hawthorne is scheduled to earn a $3 million roster bonus and a $1 million base salary.

In 2014, he'll earn a $1 million base salary and $1 million roster bonus.

In 2015, he'll earn a $2 million base salary and $2.5 million roster bonus.

In 2016, he's scheduled to earn a $4 million base salary.

As of noon Friday, the Saints were approximately $420,000 under the salary cap.

http://mobile.nola.com/advnola/pm_29228/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=sBUDtNws

CJSchneider
04-16-2012, 11:40 AM
I have no idea how the Saints pulled off the Hawthorne signing but I think it means the end of Vilma and Shanle, especially to save money. I'd expect both to be cut very soon.

Shanle's cap hit numbers stand at $2,950,000.
Vilma's are at $6,600,000 this year. With us being less than half a million below cap, I see us cutting/trading as well.

diabsoule
04-16-2012, 07:03 PM
Loomis is a ******* cap magician.

And yeah, CJ, I don't see anyway around not cutting at least one of Shanle or Vilma.

And, oh by the way, Courtney Roby was re-signed today

CJSchneider
04-17-2012, 05:19 AM
Do you think we will see a draft day trade involving either two?

CJSchneider
04-17-2012, 07:00 PM
http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2012/REG/SAINTS?icampaign=Schedule_release_Teams_HP_CP

2012 schedule is out. At first glance, I give us 10-6.

Sveen
04-18-2012, 02:31 AM
I love that we get to start the season with three games against opponenets that on paper should be avagerage to below average. We probably have a lot of players suspended early, so not having to face the best early should help.

I'm a little more pessimistic. I say we go 9-7 and miss the playoffs.

I'm surprised we get four primetime games (for now). I honestly thought the league would minimize the number of primetime games for us this year.

CJSchneider
04-18-2012, 05:46 AM
Those are going to be the easiest games to cover. All you have to do is re-hash the "bounty-gate" crap while only occasionally saying something half-ass intelligent about the game or having an original thought.

CJSchneider
04-18-2012, 01:18 PM
In the final forum mock, with our 3rd round pick, I selected Markelle Martin, Safety from Oklahoma State.
Please discuss.

wicket
04-18-2012, 03:19 PM
In the final forum mock, with our 3rd round pick, I selected Markelle Martin, Safety from Oklahoma State.
Please discuss.

quite frankly i do not like the pick, martin is pretty much a pure FS and we dont really need that nor is he great value

diabsoule
04-18-2012, 09:59 PM
Not a fan of Martin. If we went safety I'd say the later rounds is where we should draft one. I'd prefer a DE, DT, or TE in the 3rd

CJSchneider
04-19-2012, 08:58 AM
With pick 122, I selected DE Tyrone Crawford from Boise State.