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diabsoule
02-13-2007, 09:01 PM
As far as needs i'd actually put it like this.

ILB-We need a run stuffer.

DT-Pressure on the QB always makes CB's better than they really are.

CB-We just need someone who doesn't fall for every double move.

Yeah. I think we cut Fred Thomas this offseason due to him receiving the dreaded vote of confidence.

His Toast Has Been Buttered!

bucknut12
02-14-2007, 11:20 AM
I'd love to see us go after Dre Bly if the price isn't too high.

diabsoule
02-14-2007, 03:05 PM
I'd love to see us go after Dre Bly if the price isn't too high.

I think Bly would be a stop gap due to his age. On top of that, i don't see the organization going after a player who is in his 30's when there are so good and solid CB free agents this year.

UtepMiner
02-14-2007, 03:41 PM
I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd for Bly. He's 30, so he might only have two or so years left in him..but he would be an upgrade. Even if we get him we'd still need to get a CB to groom in the draft.

Saints67
02-14-2007, 04:23 PM
hopefully, we will go after Bly...

he will deff improve our CB corp up.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-15-2007, 08:17 AM
Just a little tidbit to let you guys know but this weekend during NBA Allstar weekend Reggie Bush will be playing in the Celebrity game 7:00pm friday on ESPN, he better be careful cause Michael Clarke Duncan could end his career.

Flyboy
02-15-2007, 10:43 AM
Just as long as he doesn't get injured..

diabsoule
02-15-2007, 03:36 PM
I'd love to see us go after Dre Bly if the price isn't too high.

The dude in your sig, Aaron Ross, is the main player I want the Saints to draft.

LSU Man
02-16-2007, 09:00 AM
What have you guys been hearing about our free agent moves and us franchising Grant?

Flyboy
02-16-2007, 07:43 PM
I. Hate. Life.

UtepMiner
02-16-2007, 07:45 PM
Wow Reggie Bush sprained his ankle in the NBA celebrity game.

wtf our best players are getting hurt in meaningless exhibition games! He should be fine though.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-16-2007, 08:04 PM
Wow Reggie Bush sprained his ankle in the NBA celebrity game.

wtf our best players are getting hurt in meaningless exhibition games! He should be fine though.

Haha lol, it looked pretty bad at the time but it was nothing, shoot he may be 49 but the Saints should try out Duncan Clarke for the O-line, he's bigger than any Saint.

UtepMiner
02-16-2007, 08:12 PM
Haha lol, it looked pretty bad at the time but it was nothing, shoot he may be 49 but the Saints should try out Duncan Clarke for the O-line, he's bigger than any Saint.
Lol, I don't know if he's bigger than Hollis Thomas, cause that's one big dude. 315 lbs is a bit generous for him. (#99)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4999/hthomasyk6.png

EdReedUnstoppable
02-17-2007, 02:19 AM
Haha lol, it looked pretty bad at the time but it was nothing, shoot he may be 49 but the Saints should try out Duncan Clarke for the O-line, he's bigger than any Saint.
Lol, I don't know if he's bigger than Hollis Thomas, cause that's one big dude. 315 lbs is a bit generous for him. (#99)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4999/hthomasyk6.png

I think 415 lbs would be a bit generous for him. Anyone heard anything on Reggie? I mean I dont like him but I dont wanna see anybody injured.

Flyboy
02-17-2007, 10:25 AM
Minor ankle sprain. He'll be just fine.

UtepMiner
02-17-2007, 03:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nVjwzOCxQU <<Aaron Ross Highlight Vid.


Opinions on Justin Harrell? he seems like a hard working player that fits into Payton's player mold. It shows a lot that he put off his surgery for a week and played through pain, to try and help his team win a big game vs. Florida.
Has good size with long arms and the frame to bulk up further...Athletic with solid speed and good quickness...Is mobile with pretty good range...Plays the run well and is a good tackler...Will penetrate and make plays in the backfield...Tough and will play through pain...May have some versatility...Hard worker...Top intangibles.
Put off surgery for a week so he could help his team in a big game against Florida...Does everything well but doesn't really stand out in any one area

and here is my latest Saints 1st day mock.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/223/saintsmockrl2.png

diabsoule
02-17-2007, 03:39 PM
That sucks about Reggie Bush, but he should be fine.

BTW, Auron, I'm a bit iffy on Chris Houston. I think the best CB that is going to be there for us in the 1st Round is Aaron Ross as he is just the type of guy that we look for.

I don't think David Harris will last until the third round but he is a great player and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the black and gold.

And lastly, I like Justin Harrell and I think that he'd be a good fit for us. He seems like a Sean Payton kind of guy.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-17-2007, 03:57 PM
Here's the Reggie Bush injury, the first time you like in slo mo the replay it looks terrible like he could have broken it but you can see he simply rolled it and just had a minor sprain.http://youtube.com/watch?v=n8C3bUWolqI

UtepMiner
02-17-2007, 04:05 PM
^ Ouch.

I'd be fine with either Ross, or Houston. As long as they take a CB 1st day, if they don't take corner in round 1, Jackson, Wright, Irons, or Bennett would be good in the later rounds.

Harris is a guy that might slide a bit after the combine because he won't put up amazing workout numbers.

diabsoule
02-17-2007, 04:13 PM
Saints Dome Patrol and I are doing a fantasy offseason/mock draft right now on this website. So far, this is what has happened.

Saints offseason:

Free Agents Signed
CB Rod Hood (Eagles)
CB Jason David (Colts) (Indy receives 4th Rd pick from NO)
DT Alfonso Boone (Bears)
LB Donnie Edwards (Chargers)

Free Agents Retained
DT Hollis Thomas
DE Charles Grant
OG Montrae Holland
TE Billy Miller
S Omar Stoutmire
OT Jon Stinchcomb

Restricted FA Tendered
WR Jamal Jones
WR Terrance Copper
DT Rodney Leisle
LB Terrance Melton

Players Cut
LB Alfred Fincher
CB Fred Thomas
CB Jason Craft
TE Ernie Conwell
P Mitch Berger

I think the Saints did a terrific job this offseason.

Flyboy
02-17-2007, 10:38 PM
What about Danny Clark?

Kurve
02-17-2007, 11:36 PM
Here's the Reggie Bush injury, the first time you like in slo mo the replay it looks terrible like he could have broken it but you can see he simply rolled it and just had a minor sprain.http://youtube.com/watch?v=n8C3bUWolqI

hope reggie is ok ....ive been working at the nba all star all week i saw it personally when he got injured hope it isnt something serious!

diabsoule
02-17-2007, 11:44 PM
What about Danny Clark?

Lost him. He signed with the Texans.

bucknut12
02-18-2007, 03:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nVjwzOCxQU <<Aaron Ross Highlight Vid.


Opinions on Justin Harrell? he seems like a hard working player that fits into Payton's player mold. It shows a lot that he put off his surgery for a week and played through pain, to try and help his team win a big game vs. Florida.
[quote]Has good size with long arms and the frame to bulk up further...Athletic with solid speed and good quickness...Is mobile with pretty good range...Plays the run well and is a good tackler...Will penetrate and make plays in the backfield...Tough and will play through pain...May have some versatility...Hard worker...Top intangibles.
Put off surgery for a week so he could help his team in a big game against Florida...Does everything well but doesn't really stand out in any one area

and here is my latest Saints 1st day mock.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/223/saintsmockrl2.png[/quoe]I don't see Harris getting out of the 2nd round.

Flyboy
02-18-2007, 04:53 PM
I would love to have Ross, but his age is a sorta turn-off for me.

bucknut12
02-18-2007, 07:15 PM
I would love to have Ross, but his age is a sorta turn-off for me.He's only 24 isn't he?

ftbl88
02-18-2007, 10:37 PM
How is it going Saints fans. I am checking on a situation that has come up in some of the forums. It is uncertain wether the Eagles lose the third or the fourth in the trade between Stallworth and Simoneau. Some sources say the conditional 4th pick becomes a 3rd if the Eagles re-sign Stallworth. Others say that it becomes a third if there is a contract extension. The reason I am asking is because I am not sure if Donte is waiting until FA to re-sign and only have the Eagles losing a 4th instead of a 3rd, or if it doesn't matter anyway. Any answers that may help clarify the situation would be appreciated. Thanks.

Flyboy
02-18-2007, 11:17 PM
If Stallworth was given an extension while with the Eagles, we would have got the 3rd pick from you but being that Stallworth is probably going to become a FA it becomes a 4th rounder, meaning Stallworth can even re-sign with the Eagles as a FA we would still only get a 4th because it wasn't an extension.

bucknut12
02-18-2007, 11:47 PM
If Stallworth was given an extension while with the Eagles, we would have got the 3rd pick from you but being that Stallworth is probably going to become a FA it becomes a 4th rounder, meaning Stallworth can even re-sign with the Eagles as a FA we would still only get a 4th because it wasn't an extension.Loomis can't be that stupid.

I'm sure if he waited until after the FA period we should get their next years 3rd or something like that...

UtepMiner
02-19-2007, 09:39 AM
I'm sure if he waited until after the FA period we should get their next years 3rd or something like that...
I heard the same thing as Flyboy.

If Stallworth doesn't re-sign with the Eagles by March 2nd (start of Free Agency Period) we only get the 4th rounder...

the indication is that the Eagles are going to let him hit the free agent market.

diabsoule
02-19-2007, 11:42 AM
If Stallworth was given an extension while with the Eagles, we would have got the 3rd pick from you but being that Stallworth is probably going to become a FA it becomes a 4th rounder, meaning Stallworth can even re-sign with the Eagles as a FA we would still only get a 4th because it wasn't an extension.

Exactly. And all thoughts are of him becoming a FA.

diabsoule
02-19-2007, 04:43 PM
Do you guys think that we should get Puz over a CB like Aaron Ross or Daymeion Hughes?

UtepMiner
02-19-2007, 05:11 PM
Do you guys think that we should get Puz over a CB like Aaron Ross or Daymeion Hughes?
Personally I would go with Poz, there's a reason he won a Butkus award, and was generally a great college LB. Great instincts, from what I've heard he could play the Middle.

There are some solid Corners the Saints can look at in later rounds, Jackson, Wright, Bennett, Wade..


also found this image on another forum, got a crack out of it. :lol:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7154/imagekv5.jpg

ftbl88
02-19-2007, 05:12 PM
Thanks for the info guys, you have cleared up something that has been bothering me for a while.

UtepMiner
02-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Looks like Charles Grant will get the franchise tag.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2771560

Barring an unexpected breakthrough in contract negotiations, ESPN.com has learned that the New Orleans Saints will designate left defensive end Charles Grant as a franchise player before Thursday's deadline, a move that will keep him off the unrestricted free agent market.

diabsoule
02-19-2007, 05:30 PM
Looks like the Saints are set to tag Charles Grant.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2771560

I was hoping that both sides would be able to come to some sort of an agreement so that we would not have to use the franchise tag on him.

Flyboy
02-19-2007, 08:19 PM
I saw that one coming a mile away.

DWhitner20
02-19-2007, 09:58 PM
What do you guys think of Montrae Holland? I heard he's a FA and the Bills definetly need some OGs. Did he start this year or was it Mayberrys spot Jahri Evans took?

UtepMiner
02-19-2007, 10:01 PM
Dang coach Payton is the party guy.. :shock:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1497/coachpaytonfw1.png

diabsoule
02-19-2007, 10:18 PM
What do you guys think of Montrae Holland? I heard he's a FA and the Bills definetly need some OGs. Did he start this year or was it Mayberrys spot Jahri Evans took?

Holland is a decent starter. Nothing too special. He's a great backup, though.

Saints Dome Patrol
02-20-2007, 02:33 AM
Looks like the Saints are set to tag Charles Grant.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2771560

I was hoping that both sides would be able to come to some sort of an agreement so that we would not have to use the franchise tag on him.

Go figure... well, it seems like another "Darren Howard" situation. :roll:

On to free agency. :|

LSU Man
02-20-2007, 07:49 AM
As much as i like Grant i say we should franchise him then trade him and get what we can from him now. I think we would get at least a high second round pick.

UtepMiner
02-20-2007, 03:44 PM
As much as i like Grant i say we should franchise him then trade him and get what we can from him now. I think we would get at least a high second round pick.
The problem with that is... if a player is franchised, a team must give up two 1st round picks as compensation. No team will be willing to give up that much.


edit: Hollis Thomas was on Sirius radio, said he was disappointed in the Saints offer.

Saints67
02-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Hollis Thomas, was on sirius-radio a hour ago or so...

was discussing about the saints and FA...he said the saints gave him a offer and that it was a 'low ball one' and that he is worth more than that...

from the sounds of it, he sounded pretty disgusted with it and kept on rambling about Devner as a potential suitor.



so all in all, looks like we might need another DT for next season... :roll:

UtepMiner
02-20-2007, 05:53 PM
Oh well, obviously Hollis was a contributor to the Defense.

but he is 33 years old, wears down in the second half of games, and had the asthma fiasco behind him..

I think the Saints offered him a decent contract, but if some team signs Hollis to a huge deal they will probably be disappointed.

diabsoule
02-20-2007, 07:44 PM
As much as i like Grant i say we should franchise him then trade him and get what we can from him now. I think we would get at least a high second round pick.
The problem with that is... if a player is franchised, a team must give up two 1st round picks as compensation. No team will be willing to give up that much.


edit: Hollis Thomas was on Sirius radio, said he was disappointed in the Saints offer.

That's not cool. We don't need to low-ball a huge contributor to our defense.

Saints Dome Patrol
02-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Hollis Thomas, was on sirius-radio a hour ago or so...

was discussing about the saints and FA...he said the saints gave him a offer and that it was a 'low ball one' and that he is worth more than that...

from the sounds of it, he sounded pretty disgusted with it and kept on rambling about Devner as a potential suitor.



so all in all, looks like we might need another DT for next season... :roll:

Of course, his definition of low-ball might not be low at all... but I figured that either we'd have to look to the free agency period for a defensive tackle or we'd draft one. Neither Thomas nor Brian Young is really all that impressive. Don't get me wrong, Thomas contributed nicely but he isn't the best out there. There are other people who could also come in and help out our defense as well as he did.

UtepMiner
02-21-2007, 12:25 AM
That's not cool. We don't need to low-ball a huge contributor to our defense.
If we do lose him it will hurt, but on the same token you don't want to overpay for an aging veteran who may be on the decline. I think Hollis and his agent know this is probably going to be his last contract in the NFL, so they want to cash in on a bigger pay day.. not that I blame him a lot of players do.

but we have to remember how we got players like Hollis and Jeff Faine in the first place, through draft day trades. I have complete faith in Payton and Loomis in finding the right replacements, and improving the team. I also have a feeling they have a few things up their sleeves for free agency and the draft.

diabsoule
02-21-2007, 05:02 PM
Saints slap DE Grant with franchise tag
Five-year veteran says he feels disrespected
Wednesday, February 21, 2007
By Mike Triplett
Staff writer
Defensive end Charles Grant expressed his frustration Tuesday after the Saints designated him as their franchise player.

The move requires the Saints to offer Grant a one-year contract worth $8.644 million the average of the top five players at his position. But it prevents the 28-year-old from becoming an unrestricted free agent March 2.

Grant can negotiate with other teams, but it is unlikely another team will offer a long-term deal.

The Saints have the right to match any offer Grant receives. Or, if they decide to let him go, the new team would have to compensate the Saints with two first-round draft picks.

"I still hope we can work something out," said Grant, who was hoping to either sign a long-term contract extension with the Saints or be allowed to test the free-agent waters.

He characterized the Saints' contract discussions so far as "treating me like I'm a scrub" and "trying to spit in our face."

"It's not so much being disappointed (with staying in New Orleans)," said Grant, a first-round draft pick in 2002. "I've been here five years. I love Louisiana. I love the people here. You can't get better people than here in New Orleans.

"But other teams are interested in me. If you don't think I can play the game of football, you should treat me like a man and let me go."

Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis declined to comment on the Saints' decision.

Grant's agent, William Johnson, echoed Grant's sentiments.

"Guys get disappointed about having the franchise tag," Johnson said. "I recognize it's a big number. But he's been a great representative of the Saints through thick and thin. And at the end of the day, I feel like he's earned the opportunity to get a fair market value extension from the Saints or to test free agency."

Grant had a bounce-back season in 2006 after struggling in 2005. He had 71 tackles, six sacks, three forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

Grant shed nearly 20 pounds in the offseason and played around 285 pounds for the first time since his rookie season. He has 36 career sacks with the Saints.

Grant said he has felt underappreciated by the Saints organization. He said Loomis told his agent a few months back that he didn't intend to use the franchise tag on him because he wasn't worth the hefty cost.

"I don't hold no grudge against the organization. But when a man tells my agent I'm not worth it, don't contradict yourself," Grant said. "The money's good. But I feel like I'm being used right now.

"You know no other guys are going to come in here and hold that left side down. I'm playing 90 percent of the snaps, year in and year out. I had my slump, but everyone has their slumps."

Whether or not they used the franchise tag, it makes sense for the Saints to hold onto Grant.

For starters, they need defensive playmakers, and they likely will try to add more in the draft and free agency. The Saints were a solid defensive team in 2006. But they ranked 31st in the NFL with 19 takeaways during the regular season, and they forced zero turnovers in two playoff games.

If the Saints were to let Grant go, they would have a hard time replacing him in free agency. The NFL's free-agent market will be extremely competitive. The salary cap climbed roughly $7 million this year to $109 million per team.

Two other top defensive ends that were scheduled to become free agents this year -- Indianapolis' Dwight Freeney and Cincinnati's Justin Smith -- also were retained with the franchise tag. New England used its franchise tag on cornerback Asante Samuel, and Chicago franchised linebacker Lance Briggs.

The Saints previously used their franchise tag on fellow defensive end Darren Howard in 2004 and 2005, never reaching a long-term extension. That relationship ended on bad terms, with Howard threatening to quit football last December if the Saints didn't let him leave in free agency.

Before Howard, the Saints used their franchise tag on defensive end Joe Johnson in 1999.

The Saints will have some other tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. They owe roughly $1 million each in bonuses to veteran receiver Joe Horn and cornerback Fred Thomas and might consider releasing both players or asking them to take pay cuts.

They also have three other starters scheduled to become unrestricted free agents March 2 -- offensive tackle Jon Stinchcomb, defensive tackle Hollis Thomas and safety Omar Stoutmire.

Most of the Saints' front office and coaching staff will be in Indianapolis this week for the National Scouting Combine, which runs from Thursday through Sunday.

UtepMiner
02-21-2007, 09:27 PM
I was listening to WWL 870, Grant was on with Bobby and Kenny W. Said that he has children to take care of, and that he was offered a contract with an 8 mil signing bonus, and felt it was a backup type deal.

Wow.. I really don't like how he's handling the situation in the media. I can't see this situation turning out good. :?

Flyboy
02-21-2007, 10:40 PM
Oh vey.

Saints67
02-21-2007, 10:41 PM
not good news with CG, hopefully we can sign him long-term in the future though....

but this off-season has been up and down lately....we sign Shanle which is good, then brees/bush gets hurt in events and then CG/Hollis are speaking out on the FO....i just hope it turns out to be great later on....

though if these events continue, our DL for next year is going to have many changes.

Saints Dome Patrol
02-21-2007, 11:53 PM
I was listening to WWL 870, Grant was on with Bobby and Kenny W. Said that he has children to take care of, and that he was offered a contract with an 8 mil signing bonus, and felt it was a backup type deal.

Wow.. I really don't like how he's handling the situation in the media. I can't see this situation turning out good. :?

Like I said, I think this has the possibility of becoming another "Darren Howard"-like situation. :roll:

I might be wrong, but this (plus the grumblings around Hollis Thomas) may make for some interesting free agency and Draft selections. Don't be surprised if the Saints begin to target a potential replacement. :?

Saints67
02-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Loomis was just on sirus, heres a recap......


- heard C-Grants comments and admitted to offering a 'low ball' contract...but that they had to start somewhere...and him coming back to NOLA with a long term deal is not out of the picture...

- they are still talking to Hollis Thomas's agent...and loomis and co are working very hard to get him resigned.

-saints will be active in FA, but not become 'big money spenders' like last year....

- will look to improve the D in FA....and they are are focused on getting depth through FA also.

-donnie edwards: avoided talking bout him cause that would be tampering...but drew is lobbying for the saints to get him...and the announcers/loomis kept joking and laughing about signing him up...the feel is that we will end up getting Edwards.

-draft: they will look to get BPA....once they solve needs in FA.




all in all, it i feel better now about locking up Grant/Hollis.....and i deff believe we will sign Edwards once he hit FA....

UtepMiner
02-22-2007, 06:41 PM
I get the feeling that Mickey had to start the offer somewhere and it might've been a little too low for Grant's liking... I think they will definitely sit down again and try to get something done long term. (he doesn't like taking the whole 8.6 cap hit at once) If worse comes to worse Grant will just have to sign the tender and play out one more season as a Saint.

I believe him and Hollis' agent have traded offers, but I don't think both sides are at a point where they are comfortable with the deal..so I see Hollis leaving.

Seems like we're going to address a few needs in Free Agency, but we won't make the huge signings like last year because of cap restraints. So I think that rules out guys like Clements, Adalius Thomas...

I guess they will make a pitch to Donnie Edwards as well.

diabsoule
02-22-2007, 10:14 PM
If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.

bucknut12
02-23-2007, 07:59 AM
We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

diabsoule
02-23-2007, 08:22 AM
We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

As far as CB's, this is what I'd like to see:

Sign Rod Hood
Sign RFA Jason David, if the Colts put a low-tender offer on him. We'd owe the Colts a 4th Rounder, but that guy is well worth it.

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft. DeJuan Groce is a UFA and Curtis Deloatch is an RFA. There is no need to bring those two back, especially when we can draft our future.

Draft either Aaron Ross, Marcus McCauley, or Tanard Jackson. Then in the 4th draft Michael Coe or DeAndre Jackson. I'd prefer Coe as he should be a definite playmaker. Ross, McCauely, or Jackson would take over for McKenzie in a year or two.

Then our CB's would look like this:
McKenzie, David, Hood, Jackson, and Coe. That'd be a hell of a line-up.

bucknut12
02-23-2007, 12:58 PM
We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

As far as CB's, this is what I'd like to see:

Sign Rod Hood
Sign RFA Jason David, if the Colts put a low-tender offer on him. We'd owe the Colts a 4th Rounder, but that guy is well worth it.

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft. DeJuan Groce is a UFA and Curtis Deloatch is an RFA. There is no need to bring those two back, especially when we can draft our future.

Draft either Aaron Ross, Marcus McCauley, or Tanard Jackson. Then in the 4th draft Michael Coe or DeAndre Jackson. I'd prefer Coe as he should be a definite playmaker. Ross, McCauely, or Jackson would take over for McKenzie in a year or two.

Then our CB's would look like this:
McKenzie, David, Hood, Jackson, and Coe. That'd be a hell of a line-up.Dude, agree 100%

I'd rather Nick Harper over David though.

Can't go wrong with any of them though!

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-23-2007, 01:15 PM
We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

As far as CB's, this is what I'd like to see:

Sign Rod Hood
Sign RFA Jason David, if the Colts put a low-tender offer on him. We'd owe the Colts a 4th Rounder, but that guy is well worth it.

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft. DeJuan Groce is a UFA and Curtis Deloatch is an RFA. There is no need to bring those two back, especially when we can draft our future.

Draft either Aaron Ross, Marcus McCauley, or Tanard Jackson. Then in the 4th draft Michael Coe or DeAndre Jackson. I'd prefer Coe as he should be a definite playmaker. Ross, McCauely, or Jackson would take over for McKenzie in a year or two.

Then our CB's would look like this:
McKenzie, David, Hood, Jackson, and Coe. That'd be a hell of a line-up.

I don't think the corners need that much of an overhaul. Here's what I'd do:

1. Cut Fred Thomas (obviously).
2. Keep Jason Craft to be the #4 corner, as he is a solid enough vet and would be a serviceable nickel back in the event that somebody gets injured.
3. Draft a corner in Round 1; round 2 at the latest. I love Aaron Ross, so I'm going to say we get him.
4. Sign ONE cornerback in free agency, mainly to play nickle back, but possibly start until the rookie (in this case, Ross) is ready. Rod Hood will do.
5. Draft another corner late in the draft (Rd. 5 at the absolute earliest), a guy with potential to develop into a contributer but late enough that it won't really be a big deal if/when he gets cut. For the sake of this post, I'll go with Ramzee Robinson from Alabama.

McKenzie, Ross, Hood, Craft, Robinson.

That's good enough to be a major improvement. But then again, replacing Fred Thomas with my grandmother would be a major improvement.

diabsoule
02-23-2007, 01:20 PM
We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

As far as CB's, this is what I'd like to see:

Sign Rod Hood
Sign RFA Jason David, if the Colts put a low-tender offer on him. We'd owe the Colts a 4th Rounder, but that guy is well worth it.

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft. DeJuan Groce is a UFA and Curtis Deloatch is an RFA. There is no need to bring those two back, especially when we can draft our future.

Draft either Aaron Ross, Marcus McCauley, or Tanard Jackson. Then in the 4th draft Michael Coe or DeAndre Jackson. I'd prefer Coe as he should be a definite playmaker. Ross, McCauely, or Jackson would take over for McKenzie in a year or two.

Then our CB's would look like this:
McKenzie, David, Hood, Jackson, and Coe. That'd be a hell of a line-up.Dude, agree 100%

I'd rather Nick Harper over David though.

Can't go wrong with any of them though!

I disagree about Harper. While he would be a good upgrade, he doesn't have much longer left in him as he is 33. David only has 3 years in the league and is much, much younger.

Lenny Walls is also a guy we could consider, however, you know the Saints f.o. Any suggestions we have will not be followed at all and they'll end up making some huge mistakes.

bucknut12
02-23-2007, 02:08 PM
We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

As far as CB's, this is what I'd like to see:

Sign Rod Hood
Sign RFA Jason David, if the Colts put a low-tender offer on him. We'd owe the Colts a 4th Rounder, but that guy is well worth it.

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft. DeJuan Groce is a UFA and Curtis Deloatch is an RFA. There is no need to bring those two back, especially when we can draft our future.

Draft either Aaron Ross, Marcus McCauley, or Tanard Jackson. Then in the 4th draft Michael Coe or DeAndre Jackson. I'd prefer Coe as he should be a definite playmaker. Ross, McCauely, or Jackson would take over for McKenzie in a year or two.

Then our CB's would look like this:
McKenzie, David, Hood, Jackson, and Coe. That'd be a hell of a line-up.Dude, agree 100%

I'd rather Nick Harper over David though.

Can't go wrong with any of them though!

I disagree about Harper. While he would be a good upgrade, he doesn't have much longer left in him as he is 33. David only has 3 years in the league and is much, much younger.

Lenny Walls is also a guy we could consider, however, you know the Saints f.o. Any suggestions we have will not be followed at all and they'll end up making some huge mistakes.He plays so good I keep forgetting he is 33!

Scratch Harper and sign up David!

He could be my cousin, thats my last name too!

We'll get him long term, Loomis trying to play a numbers game and he's losing. He admitted to not upping the contract that was offered to CG earlier in the season.

And as for CG, he needs to quit crying about having "mouths to feed"

8.6 million is more than enough for a year to feed a mouth.

Hell, 500,000 is more than enough. Shut up and play football and you'll get your money.

If we can sign DT Ian Scott, CB Rod Hood, LB Donnie Edwards, and TE Daniel Graham then we will be in good shape heading into the draft, even though I would like to see us sign at least one more CB so we can cut Thomas and Craft.Hell, i'd draft 2 CB's and cut craft.

Sign one and cut Freddy.

As far as CB's, this is what I'd like to see:

Sign Rod Hood
Sign RFA Jason David, if the Colts put a low-tender offer on him. We'd owe the Colts a 4th Rounder, but that guy is well worth it.

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft. DeJuan Groce is a UFA and Curtis Deloatch is an RFA. There is no need to bring those two back, especially when we can draft our future.

Draft either Aaron Ross, Marcus McCauley, or Tanard Jackson. Then in the 4th draft Michael Coe or DeAndre Jackson. I'd prefer Coe as he should be a definite playmaker. Ross, McCauely, or Jackson would take over for McKenzie in a year or two.

Then our CB's would look like this:
McKenzie, David, Hood, Jackson, and Coe. That'd be a hell of a line-up.

I don't think the corners need that much of an overhaul. Here's what I'd do:

1. Cut Fred Thomas (obviously).
2. Keep Jason Craft to be the #4 corner, as he is a solid enough vet and would be a serviceable nickel back in the event that somebody gets injured.
3. Draft a corner in Round 1; round 2 at the latest. I love Aaron Ross, so I'm going to say we get him.
4. Sign ONE cornerback in free agency, mainly to play nickle back, but possibly start until the rookie (in this case, Ross) is ready. Rod Hood will do.
5. Draft another corner late in the draft (Rd. 5 at the absolute earliest), a guy with potential to develop into a contributer but late enough that it won't really be a big deal if/when he gets cut. For the sake of this post, I'll go with Ramzee Robinson from Alabama.

McKenzie, Ross, Hood, Craft, Robinson.

That's good enough to be a major improvement. But then again, replacing Fred Thomas with my grandmother would be a major improvement.I like Ross too but I think the Cowboys take him ahead of us...

I like that lineup too.

diabsoule
02-23-2007, 09:23 PM
Any which way, I'd like to see either sign two FA's and draft two CB's or sign one FA and draft two CB's and keep Craft. Our CB's need work.

If Willis or Puz is there at our pick in the first round then we draft them. I don't think there is a doubt there, however, in the second we could go after someone like Tanard Jackson. Then draft someone like Michael Coe in the 4th since we have 3 4th Rounders.

Saints67
02-23-2007, 09:52 PM
saints interested in Adalius Thomas?



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'The 49ers are fully expected to place calls with the agents for Nate Clements and Adalius Thomas once the free agency period begins.
The Niners could let Shawntae Spencer play nickel if they sign Clements. New Orleans and Green Bay also have reported interest in Thomas.'


http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2251

bucknut12
02-23-2007, 10:22 PM
Any which way, I'd like to see either sign two FA's and draft two CB's or sign one FA and draft two CB's and keep Craft. Our CB's need work.

If Willis or Puz is there at our pick in the first round then we draft them. I don't think there is a doubt there, however, in the second we could go after someone like Tanard Jackson. Then draft someone like Michael Coe in the 4th since we have 3 4th Rounders.I wouldn't be opposed to using 2 of our 3 4ths to trade up for Aaron Ross if need be...

Flyboy
02-23-2007, 11:03 PM
Any which way, I'd like to see either sign two FA's and draft two CB's or sign one FA and draft two CB's and keep Craft. Our CB's need work.

If Willis or Puz is there at our pick in the first round then we draft them. I don't think there is a doubt there, however, in the second we could go after someone like Tanard Jackson. Then draft someone like Michael Coe in the 4th since we have 3 4th Rounders.I wouldn't be opposed to using 2 of our 3 4ths to trade up for Aaron Ross if need be...

He's not worth THAT much.

diabsoule
02-24-2007, 12:26 PM
saints interested in Adalius Thomas?



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'The 49ers are fully expected to place calls with the agents for Nate Clements and Adalius Thomas once the free agency period begins.
The Niners could let Shawntae Spencer play nickel if they sign Clements. New Orleans and Green Bay also have reported interest in Thomas.'


http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2251

Hope not.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-24-2007, 01:06 PM
saints interested in Adalius Thomas?



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'The 49ers are fully expected to place calls with the agents for Nate Clements and Adalius Thomas once the free agency period begins.
The Niners could let Shawntae Spencer play nickel if they sign Clements. New Orleans and Green Bay also have reported interest in Thomas.'


http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2251

Hope not.

Are you serious? Thomas could make a HUGE impact on our defense. If there's a way it can get done under the cap, then I'm all for it.

Flyboy
02-24-2007, 01:38 PM
I rather us sign FAs like Mitchell or E instead of Thomas simply because it works better with our cap and we could still get the same results. Plus, Thomas works better in a 3-4 anyhow.

I may be in the minority, but I really wouldn't mind taking Greg Olsen in the first round.

ty23
02-24-2007, 01:57 PM
If were signing a big name free agent, I want it to be Clements.

I doubt Adalius Thomas fits our scheme he's more a 3-4 LB. I do think we'll sign a Linebacker though, a Middle Linebacker in the mold of someone like Donnie Edwards.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-24-2007, 02:06 PM
I rather us sign FAs like Mitchell or E instead of Thomas simply because it works better with our cap and we could still get the same results. Plus, Thomas works better in a 3-4 anyhow.

I may be in the minority, but I really wouldn't mind taking Greg Olsen in the first round.

1. By Mitchell, do you mean Kawika Mitchell? By E, do you mean Donnie Edwards? By same results, do you mean nowhere near the results Adalius Thomas could give us?

2. Thomas is one of, if not the most versatile player in the NFL. I have a hard time believing he couldn't be productive in a 4-3.

3. We had the best offense in the NFL, and have huge needs at CB, MLB, and DT. And you want a tight end in the first round? Yeah, I'd hope you are in the minority.

UtepMiner
02-24-2007, 02:29 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to having Adalius here, he's versatile and can line up almost anywhere..he's a playmaker who's always around the ball. We could definitely use a player like that. He could play WLB and we'd move Shanle inside to MLB.

However.. I really don't think the Saints will make a serious run at any of the high profile free agents like Adalius, or Clements.. I can see them coming in for visits and getting offers, but I don't think Mickey will overpay them in bidding wars like other teams may be willing to.

As for TE, we could use an upgrade but I'd only take Olsen if he's the absolute best player on the board left at #27. If we're going to go TE I'd look at Ben Patrick in Round 3.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-24-2007, 02:44 PM
I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.

diabsoule
02-24-2007, 05:54 PM
I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.

I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-24-2007, 08:14 PM
I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.

I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.

First of all, I don't know of many people who would call a six year vet "old" (Thomas barely even saw the field in his first season). But I really can't believe that you think there is another player on the market who could impact our D in the way Adalius could, and you're flat out crazy in refusing to realize the fact that we're talking about a guy here who has seen time at DE, OLB, MLB, and even a little DB, and he's not versatile enough to play in a 4-3? Gimmie a friggin' break! Thomas would be a HUGE upgrade at any of our linebacker positions. As for Mitchell and Edwards... well, Edwards is OLD (ha!), and Mitchell probably isn't even an upgrade over what we have now. I don't understand how a Saints fan wouldn't want us to sign a player who could have such a significant immediate impact, after all, an impact player on defense along with a few smaller defensive upgrades could put us in immediate championship contention. I guess you're just getting too used to the losing culture.

By the way, Olson would not be a good pick for us in the second round, much less the first. We need defense.

Saints Dome Patrol
02-25-2007, 01:12 AM
I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.

I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.

First of all, I don't know of many people who would call a six year vet "old" (Thomas barely even saw the field in his first season). But I really can't believe that you think there is another player on the market who could impact our D in the way Adalius could, and you're flat out crazy in refusing to realize the fact that we're talking about a guy here who has seen time at DE, OLB, MLB, and even a little DB, and he's not versatile enough to play in a 4-3? Gimmie a friggin' break! Thomas would be a HUGE upgrade at any of our linebacker positions. As for Mitchell and Edwards... well, Edwards is OLD (ha!), and Mitchell probably isn't even an upgrade over what we have now. I don't understand how a Saints fan wouldn't want us to sign a player who could have such a significant immediate impact, after all, an impact player on defense along with a few smaller defensive upgrades could put us in immediate championship contention. I guess you're just getting too used to the losing culture.

By the way, Olson would not be a good pick for us in the second round, much less the first. We need defense.

*cough*

Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? :lol:

Oh, well, allow me to retort...

Now, I know I'm not the only one who thinks that defense is our main need in both free agency and April's draft.

That being said, I don't think that the Saints will have the money nor the inclination to go after any big name free agents like Adalius Thomas. Even though Thomas can be a difference maker (in the right system), we don't have the money to spend on a big name like him. If we did, we wouldn't be able to target multiple players at other positions of need like cornerback and defensive tackle. The money we would spend on Thomas could be better served going after smaller named players but at several positions.

Continuing, I also think that the recent grumblings from both DE Charles Grant and DT Hollis Thomas are going to have a significant impact on both free agency and the Draft. Look to the Saints either dealing away Thomas and getting a defensive tackle in either free agency or the Draft. Also, with Grant getting the franchise tag, I feel like we've got another "Darren Howard situation" and I also wouldn't be surprised if the Saints draft a young defensive end that, not unlike Will Smith a couple of years ago, would be able to step in and start after this season.

And I have to agree, as good as Greg Olsen was at Miami, we don't need to spend a first day pick on a tight end, unless of course, he falls all the way to the third round or something. I doubt seriously that happens. I wouldn't be upset; however, if the Saints do chose a tight end, just a little bit later in the Draft, like Ben Patrick or Scott Chandler.

Lastly, on the remark about the Saints losing tradition, it's not that we're getting used it, we *are* used to it! The fact is, and maybe I'm a bit of a downer, but one Cinderella season and one more playoff victory isn't going to magically make me forget about all the heartache that I've endured as a Saints fan.

But that being said, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger. I guess that means I should be nearly invincible now! :D

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-25-2007, 10:26 AM
I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.

I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.

First of all, I don't know of many people who would call a six year vet "old" (Thomas barely even saw the field in his first season). But I really can't believe that you think there is another player on the market who could impact our D in the way Adalius could, and you're flat out crazy in refusing to realize the fact that we're talking about a guy here who has seen time at DE, OLB, MLB, and even a little DB, and he's not versatile enough to play in a 4-3? Gimmie a friggin' break! Thomas would be a HUGE upgrade at any of our linebacker positions. As for Mitchell and Edwards... well, Edwards is OLD (ha!), and Mitchell probably isn't even an upgrade over what we have now. I don't understand how a Saints fan wouldn't want us to sign a player who could have such a significant immediate impact, after all, an impact player on defense along with a few smaller defensive upgrades could put us in immediate championship contention. I guess you're just getting too used to the losing culture.

By the way, Olson would not be a good pick for us in the second round, much less the first. We need defense.

*cough*

Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? :lol:

Oh, well, allow me to retort...

Now, I know I'm not the only one who thinks that defense is our main need in both free agency and April's draft.

That being said, I don't think that the Saints will have the money nor the inclination to go after any big name free agents like Adalius Thomas. Even though Thomas can be a difference maker (in the right system), we don't have the money to spend on a big name like him. If we did, we wouldn't be able to target multiple players at other positions of need like cornerback and defensive tackle. The money we would spend on Thomas could be better served going after smaller named players but at several positions.

Continuing, I also think that the recent grumblings from both DE Charles Grant and DT Hollis Thomas are going to have a significant impact on both free agency and the Draft. Look to the Saints either dealing away Thomas and getting a defensive tackle in either free agency or the Draft. Also, with Grant getting the franchise tag, I feel like we've got another "Darren Howard situation" and I also wouldn't be surprised if the Saints draft a young defensive end that, not unlike Will Smith a couple of years ago, would be able to step in and start after this season.

And I have to agree, as good as Greg Olsen was at Miami, we don't need to spend a first day pick on a tight end, unless of course, he falls all the way to the third round or something. I doubt seriously that happens. I wouldn't be upset; however, if the Saints do chose a tight end, just a little bit later in the Draft, like Ben Patrick or Scott Chandler.

Lastly, on the remark about the Saints losing tradition, it's not that we're getting used it, we *are* used to it! The fact is, and maybe I'm a bit of a downer, but one Cinderella season and one more playoff victory isn't going to magically make me forget about all the heartache that I've endured as a Saints fan.

But that being said, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger. I guess that means I should be nearly invincible now! :D

The thing is, I think it could work money wise. Tagging Charles Grant might have ruined the chances, but we had about $22 million in cap room before we gave him the $8.6 million tag (which I'm not sure he deserved, but that's another story). However, cutting a few dead weight players could free back up a lot of that money... for instance, the two most talked about: cutting Joe Horn would free up nearly $4.5 million. Cutting Fred Thomas would free up $2 million. If we could find a way to get our cap room back up around $20 million then I say we could definitely add a big name player like Thomas, as well as improving other positions such as CB and DT through the draft and some modest free agent upgrades.

I don't know, maybe I'm just overly optimistic.

And I'm glad I'm not the only one who would find it absurd to go with anything other than defensive help on the first day of the draft.

Auron
02-26-2007, 06:30 PM
Joe Horn was on WWL, said he expects his agent to come in this week and to work things out with the Saints. Sounded like he's going to restructure his contract, but won't take a pay cut.

things are looking up.

diabsoule
02-26-2007, 08:20 PM
Joe Horn was on WWL, said he expects his agent to come in this week and to work things out with the Saints. Sounded like he's going to restructure his contract, but won't take a pay cut.

things are looking up.

I really hope that he restructures but at the same if we could get something out of him by trading him then that would be fine w/ me as well.

LSU Man
02-27-2007, 05:57 AM
What did you guys think about the LBs at the Combine? I think that Willis is pretty much out of our reach now :(

Poz looked really good though.

BiggerFoot
02-27-2007, 07:20 AM
I think that we might be better off going elsewhere with our first round pick because it looks like the best linebackers will be gone and there won't be much value with New England and Phili picking ahead of us both of whom could pick LB.
On the Tenn. board they are talking about how pacman might be traded, I know that Peyton is in to character guys but we need a corner desperately, how about Horn 4th rounder for Pacman Jones. That would broaden our 1st round pick to WR, TE, LB, or CB. He would give us a great corner and another good return man. Pacman is a PLAYMAKER something the saints do not have on defense.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-27-2007, 07:40 AM
I think that we might be better off going elsewhere with our first round pick because it looks like the best linebackers will be gone and there won't be much value with New England and Phili picking ahead of us both of whom could pick LB.
On the Tenn. board they are talking about how pacman might be traded, I know that Peyton is in to character guys but we need a corner desperately, how about Horn 4th rounder for Pacman Jones. That would broaden our 1st round pick to WR, TE, LB, or CB. He would give us a great corner and another good return man. Pacman is a PLAYMAKER something the saints do not have on defense.

The Titans would be incredibly stupid to trade Pacman for Joe Horn and a 4th round pick.

Flyboy
02-27-2007, 11:15 AM
It would never happen anyway. Pac-Man isn't a Payton guy.. hell, that's an understatement, but still.

Auron
02-27-2007, 11:31 AM
Payton would never make a trade for Pacman with his off the field problems, I don't think he'd even try to sign him if the Titans cut him.

Acreboy
02-27-2007, 11:46 AM
The Titans would be incredibly stupid to trade Pacman for Joe Horn and a 4th round pick.
The Saints would be stupid to accept a trade proposal like that.

Jones is a thug.

diabsoule
02-27-2007, 12:33 PM
I have heard the rumors too that the Titans are looking to either trade or cut Pac-Man Jones, however, I highly doubt he would find his way into a Saints uniform. His off-field issues and character concerns are too risky to get him involved with an organization that is trying to become stable and maintain a winning record year in and year out.

And about the linebackers -- I think Patrick Willis has separated himself from the rest of the pack and I am fairly sure that he will be gone way before out pick. The same I think can also be said about Paul Posluszny. Even though I would love to have either one of them, I think the chances are slim to none that either will fall to our pick. I would then have CB next on our priority list and one is sure to fall, whether it be Leon Hall, Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, or Darrelle Revis.

I think we could also look at TE too, if Greg Olsen were there then we might consider him especially considering that both LB and CB are fairly deep this year.

BiggerFoot
02-27-2007, 11:57 PM
I would not mind trading down around 10 spots to a team in the mid 30's to take Olsen and pick up maybe a mid round pick. Olsen looks to be the only great Tight End out of this years class.
And for Pacman, I know that he is not a peyton type of player with him having off the field bagagge, but if we are able to get him for dirt cheap our secondary would immediately be upgraded and we would have a playmaker. He is a good punt/kickoff returner and has been solid on defense and can use his speed on offense in some instances. He is a great player and I think if we just took ONE player with baggage it might not be all that bad.

diabsoule
02-28-2007, 01:08 AM
The way I see it, Olsen has improved his draft stock tremendously. He was considered a late first-early second before and all the combine did was continue to boost that. We might be able to get him where we're at but our team has more pressing needs than TE. It's not that I don't think we will address TE in the draft, but players like Ben Patrick, Scott Chandler, and Michael Allan could all be drafted in the later rounds and turn out to be very solid guys, esp. Patrick.

As far as Jones, I would have to pass if I was Loomis. While Jones is very productive, his cancerous attitude and behavior would cause a young, up-and-coming team like the Saints to either bend or break and right now we can't risk that. I would rather draft one or two CB's who have something to prove rather than a CB that knows he can do whatever he wants, no matter if he's on a new team or not.

Auron
02-28-2007, 05:18 PM
Ernie Conwell was just cut per. John Clayton. Even though we already re-signed Billy Miller I think this opens up a need for a starting TE.

Saints | Conwell released
Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:00:29 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the New Orleans Saints have released TE Ernie Conwell.


I'm going to work on my big board, for possible picks at #27.

Auron
02-28-2007, 05:19 PM
Forums messed up ..double post

Saints Dome Patrol
02-28-2007, 05:45 PM
Forums messed up ..double post

Don't lie... you just want to boost your post count! ;)

Auron
02-28-2007, 05:47 PM
Don't lie... you just want to boost your post count! ;)

Lol... Shhh. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

Saints Dome Patrol
02-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Lol... Shhh. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

Too bad, now with these reputation bars, post counts mean nothing! :(

reznola
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
What about the Saints going after Fred Smoot if he gets released today by the Vikings like so many are speculating?

diabsoule
03-02-2007, 04:24 PM
What about the Saints going after Fred Smoot if he gets released today by the Vikings like so many are speculating?

Smoot's production has diminished significantly over the past few years and he will command a high salary. I say to signing the 1st mate of the sex boat.

Flyboy
03-02-2007, 05:44 PM
Ken Hamlin is visiting tomorrow.

Flyboy
03-02-2007, 06:40 PM
Donnie Edwards is visiting as well.

No links because I'm just insanely lazy. Just trust me. :)

D-Unit
03-02-2007, 07:30 PM
What's up with Montrae Holland? You guys bringing him back?

Flyboy
03-02-2007, 07:35 PM
Last I heard was:

Broncos | Team to meet with Holland
Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:26:39 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Denver Broncos are expected to bring in free agent OG Montrae Holland (Saints) for a visit.

D-Unit
03-02-2007, 07:38 PM
Last I heard was:

Broncos | Team to meet with Holland
Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:26:39 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Denver Broncos are expected to bring in free agent OG Montrae Holland (Saints) for a visit.
Ah boo. I really think highly of him. While guys are overpaying for the Steinbach's and Deilman's of the world, guys like Holland fly under the radar.

Auron
03-02-2007, 08:22 PM
Man..it's not as bad now, but earlier the Saints boards were in complete chaos.

So many people overreacting, half the people were ready to attack each other. A lot of ridiculous things being said, some people are already calling for Payton to be fired.

Sometimes I want to smash my head into a wall after reading some of the stuff over there, I should really stop.http://www.nfl-fans.com/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif

Flyboy
03-02-2007, 09:07 PM
I'm guessing the chaos is due to us not grossly overpaying for a FA yet. Hilarity.

Flyboy
03-02-2007, 09:09 PM
Apparently, we're talking to Brian Simmons.

So far..

FS Ken Hamlin
S Kevin Kaesviharn
LB Donnie Edwards
LB Brian Simmons

Saints67
03-03-2007, 12:27 AM
also, a poster on 'saintsreport.com'....

stated, that he and his g/f heard on 105.1 KPEL...that the saints were pursuing Brandon Stokely (WR, Colts)......and that the saints were close to signing him and that the news should come out soon.


now this is NOT OFFICIAL but something of interest, i guess.

Auron
03-03-2007, 12:03 PM
I'm guessing the chaos is due to us not grossly overpaying for a FA yet. Hilarity.

Nah most of it was from the Joe Horn release there were tons of threads on there.

People were saying Payton didn't play Horn because of a personal vendetta, and saying somehow our Offense will go to junk without him?

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/images/smilies/covri.gif Seriously I wonder if people even pay attention to the games, Horn missed a good portion of the season, and we didn't miss a beat without him... if he would've been healthy he would've played in the playoffs, he wasn't...he even failed his exit physical.

Auron
03-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Interesting news I've just read on Rotoworld (http://rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx).
The Saints aren't expected to release CB Fred Thomas this offseason.
According to the Sporting News, New Orleans feels Thomas just needs to better his technique and regain his confidence after being victimized frequently by speed receivers in 2006. He still should face competition.
Source: sportingnews.com

Seems like maybe the Saints won't cut Fred Thomas this off-season, and try to let him resharpen his technique. :confused: I'm hoping if they do it's not as the starter...and that he'll move to Nickelback.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-05-2007, 03:04 PM
Interesting news I've just read on Rotoworld (http://rotoworld.com/content/home_NFL.aspx).


Seems like maybe the Saints won't cut Fred Thomas this off-season, and try to let him resharpen his technique. :confused: I'm hoping if they do it's not as the starter...and that he'll move to Nickelback.

Are you ******* serious?

The guy has been in the league for 11 years and is pushing 34 years old. Needless to say his 'technique' is not the problem. He's washed up, plain and simple. He was obviously far and away the weakest link on a weak defense, so why on earth would they bring his sorry ass back? He's only going to make $2 million next year, but that's kind of pricey for a #4 cornerback (which is what he is/should be).

This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off about the Saints organization.

Auron
03-05-2007, 03:12 PM
Are you ******* serious?

The guy has been in the league for 11 years and is pushing 34 years old. Needless to say his 'technique' is not the problem. He's washed up, plain and simple. He was obviously far and away the weakest link on a weak defense, so why on earth would they bring his sorry ass back? He's only going to make $2 million next year, but that's kind of pricey for a #4 cornerback (which is what he is/should be).

This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off about the Saints organization.

I was a little :eek: , when I first heard it too, but after some reading I can see why they wouldn't release him right away.

My guess is, they don't want to release him him right now before they even have anyone to replace him yet. So they'll wait until after Free Agency, and the Draft and then re-evaluate the CB situation.

My best guess is he'll be a part of either June 1st cuts/ or a Nickel/Dime back next season.

diabsoule
03-05-2007, 03:39 PM
I am kind of suprised that we haven't signed anyone in FA yet. I am hoping that these next few days will show us landing a good FA that will come in and really help out the team. People like Anthony Adams, Ken Hamlin, Rod Hood, and possibly Brian Simmons would be a big upgrade over the people currently on our roster.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-05-2007, 04:03 PM
I am kind of suprised that we haven't signed anyone in FA yet. I am hoping that these next few days will show us landing a good FA that will come in and really help out the team. People like Anthony Adams, Ken Hamlin, Rod Hood, and possibly Brian Simmons would be a big upgrade over the people currently on our roster.

You've been throwing Rod Hood's name around for a while now, but I've yet to see anything showing the Saints have any sort of interest in him. Have you?

These are the guys I've heard about:
Brian Simmons
Ken Hamlin
Deon Grant
Kevin Kaesviharn
Anthony Adams
Chris Draft
William James

Is there anybody else?

Auron
03-05-2007, 04:20 PM
You've been throwing Rod Hood's name around for a while now, but I've yet to see anything showing the Saints have any sort of interest in him. Have you?


Saw something earlier on him, lemme try and find it..

Eagles free-agent cornerback Rod Hood visited the Browns on Saturday and the Cardinals on Sunday. He is scheduled to visit the Saints on Wednesday.


Link (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet...p.asp?ID=46128)

Who Dat Nation
03-05-2007, 04:26 PM
The New Orleans Saints will host TE Eric Johnson on Tuesday, the team announced this afternoon.

GeauxSaints
03-05-2007, 04:55 PM
The New Orleans Saints will host TE Eric Johnson on Tuesday, the team announced this afternoon.

He would be a great addition.

GeauxSaints
03-05-2007, 07:43 PM
The Dolphins are about to release Randy McMichael. Hopefully the Saints will go after him.

diabsoule
03-05-2007, 07:46 PM
The Dolphins are about to release Randy McMichael. Hopefully the Saints will go after him.

Supposedly the Saints offered a 4th Rounder to the Dolphins for him but the Fins rejected the offer. If he hits the market, I expect the Saints the make a big play for him.

diabsoule
03-05-2007, 07:47 PM
Saw something earlier on him, lemme try and find it..

Eagles free-agent cornerback Rod Hood visited the Browns on Saturday and the Cardinals on Sunday. He is scheduled to visit the Saints on Wednesday.


Link (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet...p.asp?ID=46128)

Thanks for the link.

Saints67
03-05-2007, 11:12 PM
Supposedly the Saints offered a 4th Rounder to the Dolphins for him but the Fins rejected the offer. If he hits the market, I expect the Saints the make a big play for him.

link, source?

diabsoule
03-06-2007, 01:12 AM
link, source?

It's hearsay. I saw a Dolphins fan wrote that in the NFL section so that's why I said "Supposedly" when I wrote it.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-06-2007, 01:52 AM
Well, I don't know now what to believe...

According to WAFB-TV in Baton Rouge, Jacques Doucet, their sports anchor reported that the Saints and MLB Brian Simmons on both their 6 and 10 o'clock news. He claims that it's a "source close to the team".

Also, in a related note, Doucet mentioned that Eagles wide receiver Donte Stallworth checked himself into a league sponsored substance abuse program. I wonder if this means the Eagles won't re-sign him? So our pick will then be a fourth rounder then?

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Well, I don't know now what to believe...

According to WAFB-TV in Baton Rouge, Jacques Doucet, their sports anchor reported that the Saints and MLB Brian Simmons on both their 6 and 10 o'clock news. He claims that it's a "source close to the team".

Also, in a related note, Doucet mentioned that Eagles wide receiver Donte Stallworth checked himself into a league sponsored substance abuse program. I wonder if this means the Eagles won't re-sign him? So our pick will then be a fourth rounder then?

Our pick from Philly wasn't going to be a third rounder anyway. They had to extend his contract before free agency started in order for that to have happened.

Auron
03-07-2007, 02:18 PM
According to Rotoworld, Fred Thomas has agreed to take an $800k pay cut to remain on the team. Link (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/transactions.aspx?sport=NFL)

Fred Thomas took a $800,000 paycut on a restructured contract to remain in New Orleans this season.
New Orleans could really use better competition at cornerback, though, and should continue to pursue talent in free agency and the draft. Thomas will make $2.2 million in 2007.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

I think this assures he'll be the Nickel back, Dime back next season.

reznola
03-07-2007, 04:56 PM
Well, at least they got Fred Thomas to take an 800,000 pay cut, but he is still set to make 2.2 million against that cap. I am not sure how much of that is bonus and how much of that is base, but if most of it is bonus I guess it's better to have some experience on the roster for a small base then no experience. Here is to hoping he fixes whatever problems he was having last year.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-07-2007, 09:33 PM
Well, at least they got Fred Thomas to take an 800,000 pay cut, but he is still set to make 2.2 million against that cap. I am not sure how much of that is bonus and how much of that is base, but if most of it is bonus I guess it's better to have some experience on the roster for a small base then no experience. Here is to hoping he fixes whatever problems he was having last year.

I agree about the reasoning that it's good to have quality depth, but I'm still not really high on Fred Thomas. The fact still remains, I don't think that Thomas is "quality" depth... and I think that the Saints could still use an definite upgrade at cornerback.

But, as it is, Thomas needs to improve dramatically from last season.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-07-2007, 09:36 PM
Well, the day we all were dreading is here... Joe Horn is now a member of the Atlanta Falcons. :(

As per ESPN.com:

Sources: Ex-Saints WR Horn agrees to sign with Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791102)

diabsoule
03-07-2007, 11:01 PM
Well, the day we all were dreading is here... Joe Horn is now a member of the Atlanta Falcons. :(

As per ESPN.com:

Sources: Ex-Saints WR Horn agrees to sign with Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791102)

I figured it would happen sooner or later. Horn will be serviceable for maybe another year or two but I don't think he's going to have the explosiveness that he once possessed to be that huge of a threat over in Atlanta. I believe he was only brought in to mentor to the young receivers already in Atlanta.

diabsoule
03-07-2007, 11:03 PM
Giants | Feely will not return
Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:34:32 -0800

Arthur Staple, of New York Newsday, reports a person familiar with the negotiations said the New York Giants did not significantly increase their previous offer to free-agent PK Jay Feely (Giants), so Feely will not return to the team.

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I'd really like to see the Saints go after Feely. He's a young, reliable kicker who is good in kickoffs and field goals. It would give us a young kicker who would be able to be with the organization for quite a while.

Auron
03-08-2007, 01:36 AM
Well, the day we all were dreading is here... Joe Horn is now a member of the Atlanta Falcons. :(

Yup I had a feeling this would happen, a lot of our former players seem to go to division rivals in the decline of their careers.. Bobby Hebert, Morten Anderson, to the Falcons. Rickey Jackson went to the 49ers back when we were in the NFC West...


I wouldn't really mind seeing Roman Harper jack him up going across the middle next season. All in good fun of course. :)

Modano
03-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Is Devery Henderson gonna start for you this year?

Saints Dome Patrol
03-08-2007, 05:28 PM
Giants | Feely will not return
Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:34:32 -0800

Arthur Staple, of New York Newsday, reports a person familiar with the negotiations said the New York Giants did not significantly increase their previous offer to free-agent PK Jay Feely (Giants), so Feely will not return to the team.

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I'd really like to see the Saints go after Feely. He's a young, reliable kicker who is good in kickoffs and field goals. It would give us a young kicker who would be able to be with the organization for quite a while.

Ain't gonna happen, big guy...

Feely, Dolphins agree to three year deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791752)

GeauxSaints
03-09-2007, 09:04 AM
anybody hearing rumors that we are trying to move up in the draft?

TigerBait45
03-09-2007, 09:58 AM
It wouldn't shock me, especially considering we could be in the market for a cornerback, or maybe even Patrick Willis.

Flyboy
03-09-2007, 10:18 AM
Is Devery Henderson gonna start for you this year?

If he does, he's going to have to be a lot more consistent. He improved tremendously last season, but still loses focus a bit and drops critical passes. I heard we're interested in Darrell Jackson and Brandon Stokely.. wouldn't surprise me if we took the BPA as a WR either. We'll have a better idea come training camp.

toonsterwu
03-09-2007, 11:09 AM
I'm assuming Kaesviharn is being signed as a backup or stopgap starter, right? If so, it'd be a nice signing, and probably better than signing Hamlin or Grant, as Roman Harper and Josh Bullocks looked to be a good duo in the making, and Kaesviharn will likely be more amenable to be a backup than the other two.

Severe Punishment
03-09-2007, 12:38 PM
DeWayne Jarrett ...let's say he runs a 4.62 (unlikely but stick with me here)
say he runs a 40 that puts him near the bottom of round 1.

Let's say his value is around where the saints choose.

Is it far fetched to think he would be picked there ? or are the other needs to strong that he gets bypassed ?

Auron
03-09-2007, 02:14 PM
I'm assuming Kaesviharn is being signed as a backup or stopgap starter, right? If so, it'd be a nice signing, and probably better than signing Hamlin or Grant, as Roman Harper and Josh Bullocks looked to be a good duo in the making, and Kaesviharn will likely be more amenable to be a backup than the other two.

Pretty much, this is what I wrote in the other thread regarding a Safety signing.

-- We are looking for safeties in Free agency primarily because Payton is a coach that believes NO one simply gets handed the starting spot. (like Haslett did) Everyone has to earn their roster spot, which is why he's bringing in competition. Josh Bullocks has talent, but he really played poorly last season at times last season biting on playaction fakes, and abandoning his deep zone to jump shorter routes. Harper looked to be a stud, but he's coming off ACL surgery and might not be completely ready.


DeWayne Jarrett ...let's say he runs a 4.62 (unlikely but stick with me here)
say he runs a 40 that puts him near the bottom of round 1.

Let's say his value is around where the saints choose.

Is it far fetched to think he would be picked there ? or are the other needs to strong that he gets bypassed ?

Depends how our coaching staff has Jarrett graded out. I think in order for him to even slip that far he'll have to have a terrible Pro Day.

IMO we already have a very similar WR to Jarrett in Colston... big, good hands, and uses his body positioning and frame to make catches over DB's... I think we're looking for more of a veteran, precise route runner type WR. Which is why we're supposedly interested in trading for Darrell Jackson.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-09-2007, 02:19 PM
As per NFL.com:

William James is off the free agency market...

Tracking the comings and goings of Free Agency (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511)

Still haven't heard anything about Roderick Hood, Ken Kaesvinharn, or Brandon Stokley.

Who Dat Nation
03-09-2007, 04:09 PM
Cardinals | Team negotiating with Hood
Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:08:21 -0800

Kent Somers, of the Arizona Republic, reports the Arizona Cardinals are negotiating with the agent of unrestricted free-agent CB Roderick Hood (Eagles) on a contract.


If we cant sign Hood, I would maybe try again getting Dre Bly. There is a real lack of quality corners left to choose from.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-10-2007, 08:52 AM
Cardinals | Team negotiating with Hood
Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:08:21 -0800

Kent Somers, of the Arizona Republic, reports the Arizona Cardinals are negotiating with the agent of unrestricted free-agent CB Roderick Hood (Eagles) on a contract.


If we cant sign Hood, I would maybe try again getting Dre Bly. There is a real lack of quality corners left to choose from.

Personally, I disagree. If the Cardinals sign CB Roderick Hood, then I'd either focus my attention on some of the other "smaller-name" free agents like CB Randall "Cool" or Sammy Davis. If not, then I would turn all the attention on the Draft, and that would be my number one target come April. I know that someone like Leon Hall from Michigan or Darrelle Revis from Pitt proabaly wouldn't be available, but if someone like Arkansas cornerback Chris Houston or Marcus McCauley from Fresno State would be worthy of a first rounder and could quite possibly step in and be a starter right away.

Auron
03-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Here's the Saints team report, I found on Foxsports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67055&type=InsideSlant)

Saints Team Report:

Inside Slant

Heading into the off-season, it was believed that the Saints would try to shore up their improved defense by drafting a linebacker or signing one in free agency.

They had to make a mad scramble last season when free-agent signee Anthony Simmons inexplicably failed to report for training camp and then announced his retirement -- leaving the Saints in a lurch. After trying several players in the middle, the Saints obtained Mark Simoneau in a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles just before the regular-season opener.

They hope history doesn't repeat itself this season. It probably won't, even though they made former Cincinnati Bengal linebacker Brian Simmons their first signee this season from outside their organization when he agreed to a three-year contract.

Entering his 10th season, Simmons, a former first-round draft pick, has ranked among the league's most consistent and durable middle linebackers over the last six years in averaging 116 tackles per season since 2001.

Simmons, 31, ranked fifth on the Bengals last season with 61 tackles in 11 games -- missing five games with a neck injury. He had two interceptions and one forced fumble, but was released by the Bengals in a salary cap move.

Simmons was just one of several defensive players who came to Saints' headquarters for visits since the start of free agency a week ago as the team seeks to upgrade their 11th-ranked defense. He said he needed just one visit to realize that New Orleans was the place for him.

He'll likely team with strong-side linebacker Scott Fujita, who came to the team as a UFA last season, and weak-side 'backer Scott Shanle, who signed a new four-year contract with the Saints last month.

"I'm excited about the team as a whole. I was excited by my meeting with the coach and impressed by the general manager," he said.

"It's tough and it's exciting," Simmons said of leaving the Bengals, who chose him in the 1998 draft, after nine seasons. "But sometimes change is good. I'm excited about finishing my career as a New Orleans Saint. If I could make the decision, I'd do it all over again."

The Saints also visited with linebacker Chris Draft, safeties Ken Hamlin, Deon Grant and Kevin Kaesviharn, and cornerbacks William James and Roderick Hood. They also signed tight end Eric Johnson, formerly of the San Francisco 49ers, to a one-year deal.


Team Report: Notes and Quotes

--Veteran cornerback Fred Thomas, the subject of much speculation about his future with the Saints since the end of last season, has restructured the final year of his contract to remain with the team.

Citing league sources, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported that Thomas, who will turn 34 in September, reduced his salary by $800,000 to stay with the team for an eighth season. Thomas was due a $1 million roster bonus this month and a $2 million salary for 2007.

Thomas could not be reached for comment, but Saints general manager Mickey Loomis confirmed that Thomas had reworked the contract.

Thomas started strong, but had trouble with injuries to his thumb and hamstring during the season. The 12-year veteran was inconsistent and gave up several long touchdown passes. Thomas finished with 72 tackles and one interception in 13 games.

--Former Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Brandon Stokley, who is recovering from a torn Achilles' tendon that he suffered in December, visited the Saints on Thursday.

Stokley, who split his first eight seasons in the league with the Colts and Baltimore Ravens, may get a chance to play professionally in his home state. The 30-year old played his high school and college football in Lafayette, La. -- about two hours from the Superdome.

Stokley had four solid seasons with the Colts. Even though he was the third receiver behind Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, he had a huge season in 2004 with 68 catches for 1,077 yards and 10 touchdowns. His career numbers include 199 receptions for 2,829 yards and 22 scores.

While playing for the Ravens, Stokley caught a 38-yard scoring pass in the first quarter of Super Bowl XXXV -- helping Baltimore beat the New York Giants. He was on injured reserve for the Colts' win in Super Bowl XLI.

Stokley is the first receiver to visit with the Saints since Joe Horn was released on March 1.

--Saints coach Sean Payton, the NFL's Coach of the Year, traveled to Atlantic City, N.J., and Kansas City last week to collect two prestigious awards.

In Atlantic City, Payton received the Greasy Neale Award as the professional football coach of the year. The award is presented annually by the Maxwell Football Club.

Payton was then honored with the NFL 101 Award in Kansas City as their head Coach of the Year. He was joined there by quarterback Drew Brees, who collected the NFC Offensive Player of the Year Award.

--Payton commented last week for the first time on running back Reggie Bush spraining his ankle in a celebrity basketball game held in conjunction with the NBA All-Star game in Las Vegas.

Payton didn't seem overly concerned about having his star players risk injury in athletic events during the off-season.

"If our biggest concern in February is a sprained ankle in a pickup basketball game, or Drew (Brees) getting injured playing football (in the Pro Bowl), we will be OK," Payton said. "As long as those things don't happen in July and June, I'm pretty comfortable with it. I was a little disappointed in (Bush's) move to the basket. It didn't look really good. That was concerning."

--Brees continued his whirlwind off-season on Thursday when flew with the renowned Navy Blue Angels in El Centro, Calif. He rode in an F/A-18 Hornet as part of the VIP Rider program.

"Annually, the Blue Angels hand-pick approximately 20 influential people who credibly represent the Navy's core values of honor, courage and commitment," said Lt. Cmdr. Garrett Kasper, squadron spokesman.

Brees was left almost speechless by his experience.

"It's beyond words," Brees told the Imperial Valley Press of California. "It's surreal. This will be right up there next to winning the Super Bowl when that happens this year. This is an experience I'll never forget the rest of my life."

(Lol Brees is the man :) )

QUOTE TO NOTE: "I wanted to go somewhere that had what I call some stabilizing forces, one being the head coach and one being the quarterback. They certainly have that here." -- LB Brian Simmons, the Saints' first free-agent signee this spring from outside the organization.

Team Report: Strategy and Personnel

With one of their needs addressed with the signing of linebacker Brian Simmons, the Saints continued their efforts to shore up their defense in free agency when they entertained several defensive backs.

While the Saints are expected to address the cornerback position in the draft, they brought in Philadelphia Eagles corners William James and Roderick Hood for visits.

They also had Cincinnati Bengals safety Kevin Kaesviharn in for a visit as well. Kaesviharn was the third safety to come to the team's headquarters, which indicates the Saints are trying to get more physical in the back end. Before Kaesviharn, the Saints hosted Ken Hamlin and Deon Grant.

FRANCHISE PLAYER: DE Charles Grant: Tendered at $8.66M.

TRANSITION PLAYER: None.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

--LB James Allen spent the 2006 season on injured reserve after blowing out his knee last summer and will likely not be re-signed.

--S Jay Bellamy, a 13-year veteran, was cut last season and brought back when Roman Harper suffered a season-ending knee injury in Week 5. He probably won't be re-signed.

--K Billy Cundiff was used late in the season to kick off and allow 42-year-old John Carney to rest his leg for field goals. Cundiff likely won't be re-signed.

--RB Fred McAfee was brought back late in the regular season for special-teams play and locker-room leadership, but likely won't be offered a contract considering he'll be 39 when training camp starts.

--LB Tommy Polley was a late-spring pickup and was starting in training camp before suffering a season-ending shoulder injury.

--S Bryan Scott was hampered by a hamstring injury early in the season, but was a valuable special-teams performer.

--SS Omar Stoutmire filled in when Roman Harper was lost for the season with a knee injury, but missed the final three regular-season games and both playoff contests with a hamstring injury.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (not tendered offers)

--CB Curtis Deloatch (not tendered as RFA) contributed mostly on special teams last season.

--LB Terrence Melton (not tendered as RFA) is a capable backup who made his name on special teams.

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

--WR Terrance Copper (tendered at $850,000 with no compensation) had a nice season in helping fill in for an injured Joe Horn.

--DT Rodney Leisle (tendered at $850,000 with 5th-round pick as compensation) was part of the defensive line rotation until being a healthy inactive late in the season.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FREE AGENTS: None.

PLAYERS RE-SIGNED

--CB DeJuan Groce: UFA; terms unknown.

--DT Antwan Lake: UFA; 2 yrs, terms unknown.

--TE Billy Miller: Potential UFA; $720,000/1 yr.

--WLB Scott Shanle: Potential UFA; $6.1M base salaries/4 yrs, SB unknown.

--OT Jon Stinchcomb: UFA; $7M/2 yrs, SB unknown.

--DT Hollis Thomas: Potential UFA; $12M/4 yrs, SB unknown.

PLAYERS ACQUIRED

--TE Eric Johnson: UFA 49ers; $2M/1 yr, SB unknown.

--LB Brian Simmons: FA Bengals; 3 yrs, terms unknown.

PLAYERS LOST

--LB Danny Clark: UFA Texans; $1.4M/1 yr, $365,000 SB.

--TE Ernie Conwell (released/failed physical).

--OG Montrae Holland: UFA Broncos; $1M/1 yr, SB unknown.

--WR Joe Horn (released/failed physical).

--OG Chad Setterstrom (released).

Flyboy
03-11-2007, 08:11 PM
What a fantastic quote by Brees. :)

Saints Dome Patrol
03-13-2007, 04:21 PM
Saints hire Vince Lombardi's grandson...

Check it out here at NewOrleansSaints.com:
Saints hire offensive assistant (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3363)

Saints Dome Patrol
03-13-2007, 07:23 PM
I know it's already reported on the Saints free agency thread, but I figured I'd put it on here as well...

The Saints have signed S Kevin Kaesviharn, as per NewOrleansSaints.com.

Here's the link: Saints sign UFA S Kevin Kaesviharn (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3356)

But it's not on ESPN or NFL.com yet, so I don't know the length or amount of the deal.

Shiver
03-14-2007, 08:30 PM
It depends on how Bush continues to develop. His last half of the season stats were pretty phenomenal. Extrapolate them, (since that's what people do in the off-season), and you get 2,000 total yards, 104 catches, 20 total touchdowns, 4.8 ypc. Of course extrapolation is only accurate to a degree. It cannot account for intangibles, anomalies, and variation of the teammates around the player, or the players he's facing. That said; it does show the upside Reggie Bush has. He isn't on Westbrook's level yet, but he could attain that by this time next year, and eventually surpass that mark.

Saints fans; this was uncharacteristic for me. Soak it up, enjoy it.

Auron
03-14-2007, 09:09 PM
Saints fans; this was uncharacteristic for me. Soak it up, enjoy it.

Well the sky is the limit for Bush, I know he'll do whatever he can to improve himself because he seems to have a drive, to continually try and get better.

I don't know if he'll put up crazy numbers.. because of the balanced nature of the Offense. There are a lot of ways to spread the ball around, but 2,000 total yards is not out of the question. I think it's very possible for him to eclipse 1,000 receiving yards next season, depending on how he's utilized.

You could tell he started to get more comfortable rushing the ball as the season went on, (stark contrast from the -5 rushing yards in Week 9 vs Tampa, compared to the 126 yds, 1 td rushing game vs the Giants in Week 16)

He'll become a more seasoned NFL runner with experience. I believe he'll go over some film this off season and try to look at some areas, like reading blocks, and making the right reads as far as which running lane to take, and what cuts to make to maximize yardage. Once he gets that down, he'll be a complete threat in almost every phase of the game.

Reggie is a very unique talent very few guys have the change of direction, and open field elusiveness abilities that he possesses.

Flyboy
03-15-2007, 01:28 AM
Saints fans; this was uncharacteristic for me. Soak it up, enjoy it.

Bush hater!! :)

diabsoule
03-15-2007, 09:49 PM
So, do you guys think we're going to sign a DT before the end of free agency?

Saints Dome Patrol
03-17-2007, 10:22 AM
So, do you guys think we're going to sign a DT before the end of free agency?

With Chicago DT Alfonso Boone off the market (as reported by Sveen), there's only about two other guys I'd look into, Ian Scott from the Bears and the 49ers' Anthony Adams.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised, if the Saints don't sign either one and end up drafting someone in the middle of the Draft.

neko4
03-18-2007, 02:46 AM
Hey Aints, I mean Saints fans new "fantasy offseason-type" game starting up
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4174

(probably not fair to call yall that considering last year)

Saints Dome Patrol
03-20-2007, 02:09 AM
Hey Aints, I mean Saints fans new "fantasy offseason-type" game starting up
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4174

(probably not fair to call yall that considering last year)

One year doesn't make a difference... but thanks for stopping by! ;)

(Seems he already filled the Saints general manager position...with a Packers fan... ugh... :rolleyes:)

Anyway... new posts in new places... enjoy and discuss! :D

Sveen
03-20-2007, 05:16 AM
According to AdamJT13 and his rundown of who will (most likely) get this years compensatory picks the Saints aren't getting anyone. :(

Not a big surprise though.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4358

Auron
03-20-2007, 11:13 AM
Pretty much figured the Drew Brees signing would wipe out any chance of Compensatory picks.

I'm fine with that though, we still have 9 Draft picks regardless.

McGahee
03-20-2007, 12:23 PM
How good is this guy? Is he better than Will Smith? Is he a good pass rusher? Good run stopper? Does he play LE or RE? How come his production has dropped the last few years?

Saints Dome Patrol
03-20-2007, 03:54 PM
And usually, most compensatory picks are in the late rounds anyway...

Auron
03-20-2007, 04:19 PM
He's a good base 4-3 End. He plays with pretty good leverage, can hold his ground against the run. He's not an explosive pass rusher, but he can overpower Tackles at times.

He had a pretty good season, 6 sacks, 65 tackles, 3 forced fumbles, 5 pass deflections... Some of the negatives about him, are that he might disappear for stretches during games. Sometimes he might get tired, and not necessarily go full speed I guess. I wouldn't put too much stock in dropped production.. last season was the Hurricane year and no one had a good season.

Now is he better than Will Smith? tough question.. I think they are very even in terms of ability. I think Smith is the better pass rusher, while Grant is the better overall end right now, however Smith is younger and I think has higher potential.

Hope I helped.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-20-2007, 07:24 PM
As Auron already pointed out, Grant had a solid season this past year, racking up 65 tackles, six sacks and three forced fumbles. In every game but one last year, Grant had a least one tackle. His best game was against the 49ers, as he had six solo tackles and one pass deflection.

As for his ability, I think that Grant could either a base end or a hybrid tackle in some systems. He's one of the few ends that I believe is both good as a run-stuffer and has the ability to get after the quarterback as well. Being 290 pounds, more and more teams are looking for lighter defensive ends to rush from the outside, but most lighter ends get pushed back off the line by bigger offensive tackles. Grant's a guy that I could honestly see on the end on first and second down and then moving inside on passing downs.

Is he better than Will Smith? In my opinion, I think that he is, especially at this point of both their respective careers. Smith is younger and has a nasty streak, but Grant's the better all-around player.

The one thing that bugs me with Grant is that he's mired in a franchise situation. That can mean one of two things, either he's going to play his heart out this year to make sure to make the big money at the end of this season, or he's going to become disgruntled and not play up to the best of his ability. I'm hoping for the former, but I would be upset if the Saints lose Grant and receive no compensation.

Auron
03-20-2007, 08:06 PM
If you guys want to watch Drew Brees flying in a Boeing F/A - 18 Hornet, with the Blue Angels... go the NFL.com (www.nfl.com). It's in their video section. "Saints QB flies with Blue Angels".

Pretty cool feature, they go up 5,500 feet in the air. :eek:

Saints Dome Patrol
03-20-2007, 08:13 PM
If you guys want to watch Drew Brees flying in a Boeing F/A - 18 Hornet, with the Blue Angels... go the NFL.com (www.nfl.com). It's in their video section. "Saints QB flies with Blue Angels".

Pretty cool feature, they go up 5,500 feet in the air. :eek:

I saw it, and have no idea how Drew didn't get sick... he's just that awesome! :D

That being said, I love his post-flight quote even better:

"It's beyond words," Brees told the Imperial Valley Press of California. "It's surreal. This will be right up there next to winning the Super Bowl when that happens this year. This is an experience I'll never forget the rest of my life."

And that's why Drew Brees rules, gentlemen!

Auron
03-21-2007, 07:30 PM
Early rumblings suggest the the Saints *possibly* may play in the NFL Season Opener on Thur. September 6, against the Defending Super Bowl Champ Colts in the RCA Dome.

IndyStar.com (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070320/SPORTS03/703200334/1004/SPORTS)

The Super Bowl champion Colts will be right at home in the RCA Dome to help the NFL usher in the 2007 regular season. They'll play on Thursday, Sept. 6, in a prime-time game on NBC.

"We've been told to start planning for it,'' team president Bill Polian said Monday.
While New England would seem an ideal opponent, Polian and coach Tony Dungy expect the Saints to come marching in. They think NBC will save the Patriots-Colts clash, a rematch of the AFC title game, for one of the important "sweeps'' periods in November.

gbpackers0065
03-21-2007, 07:39 PM
Hello all, i am being the saints gm in the "draft game" league and i would like to know whether weatherofrd or berger is going to be the punter next year so i can trade the other for picks so if you could pm me a response id appreciate it

thanks,
-0065

Auron
03-21-2007, 07:45 PM
Hello all, i am being the saints gm in the "draft game" league and i would like to know whether weatherofrd or berger is going to be the punter next year so i can trade the other for picks so if you could pm me a response id appreciate it

thanks,
-0065

I honestly don't know. That'll have to be your call for now.

I'd expect us to keep Weatherford, as he is younger and did a decent job he should improve. Berger is the more experienced seasoned punter, but he's considerably older and coming off an injury.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-21-2007, 08:22 PM
Early rumblings suggest the the Saints *possibly* may play in the NFL Season Opener on Thur. September 6, against the Defending Super Bowl Champ Colts in the RCA Dome.

IndyStar.com (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070320/SPORTS03/703200334/1004/SPORTS)

That would be an interesting way to start the season. I mean, what better barometer would there be than to play the defending Super Bowl champions? I think that it could be a great game, and would have a good storyline, with the Cinderella story of last season against the Super Bowl champs, with Manning against his dad's former team, and all that good stuff.

I'd be okay with it. :)

BiggerFoot
03-22-2007, 12:24 AM
did anyone else go the the pre-season game this season where the Saints got pounded by the Colts, I went to it and that would be interesting to see how far we have come in a little over a year

Beautiful Mind
03-22-2007, 04:09 AM
I've been praying this whole week for Chris Houston or Eric Wright. If not those 2 then Posluzny. We're a couple players away on defense from being a dominant team.

MicktheGreat
03-22-2007, 01:46 PM
Recently, the Titans signed S Bryan Scott--who I think played for the Saints last season.

As a Titans' homer, I was wondering if you guys could comment on Scott as a player. Is he any good? Good in coverage? Against the run? You know...whatever info you think is relevant...

Thanks...

Saints Dome Patrol
03-22-2007, 01:52 PM
I've been praying this whole week for Chris Houston or Eric Wright. If not those 2 then Posluzny. We're a couple players away on defense from being a dominant team.

I personally don't know a lot about Eric Wright, except someone pointed out the fact that he has off-the-field issues, and I just don't see the new Saints regime going after someone like that. I could be wrong, but that's what I think.

Auron
03-22-2007, 02:07 PM
Recently, the Titans signed S Bryan Scott--who I think played for the Saints last season.

As a Titans' homer, I was wondering if you guys could comment on Scott as a player. Is he any good? Good in coverage? Against the run? You know...whatever info you think is relevant...

Thanks...

I honestly can't comment much about him, because he didn't really see the field that much in 2006.

I remember he had a chance for a big fumble recovery in the first Atlanta game but it slipped through his fingers... other than that he was pretty much buried in the Depth chart behind Bullocks, Harper, Bellamy, and Stoutmire.

I think he'll be a good back up, who knows maybe he'll break out if he gets a chance.

Saints67
03-22-2007, 04:15 PM
on Saintsreport.com ..........

it has been reported that EJ Kuale (LB, practice squad player) has been arrested on gun and drug posession...and he is currently OFF the saints roster, so he was probaly released...

pretty dissapointing...he was impressive in TC but got injured...and probaly had a shot on ST's this season...

Auron
03-22-2007, 08:17 PM
on Saintsreport.com ..........

it has been reported that EJ Kuale (LB, practice squad player) has been arrested on gun and drug posession...and he is currently OFF the saints roster, so he was probaly released...

pretty dissapointing...he was impressive in TC but got injured...and probaly had a shot on ST's this season...

Just goes to show, Payton doesn't mess around with off the field distractions.

diabsoule
03-23-2007, 02:58 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2809097

Remember when we signed Michael Haynes? Yeah, well the Jets think he might be able to do something.

BiggerFoot
03-25-2007, 01:10 PM
Just curious, this is a question for some of the more knowledgable Saints fans

Which positions are up in the air for players to be competing for the starting spot?
I know that Peyton is not really going to garuantee anyone a starting spot, but which ones are the most up for grabs?

Auron
03-25-2007, 01:15 PM
I agree that Payton is going to make everyone earn their jobs in camp, but these are probably going to be the most contested positions.

FS - Bullocks - Kaesviharn

MLB - Simmons - Simoneau

2nd WR - Henderson - Copper

CB - Draft picks, Free agents, F.Thomas. (I expect this to be the biggest position battle)

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-25-2007, 02:28 PM
I agree that Payton is going to make everyone earn their jobs in camp, but these are probably going to be the most contested positions.

FS - Bullocks - Kaesviharn

MLB - Simmons - Simoneau

2nd WR - Henderson - Copper

CB - Draft picks, Free agents, F.Thomas. (I expect this to be the biggest position battle)

I agree with all of those (although I think Simmons beats out Simoneau easily), and I'd also like to add TE (Johnson/Campbell/Miller) to the list.

Auron
03-25-2007, 03:22 PM
I agree with all of those (although I think Simmons beats out Simoneau easily), and I'd also like to add TE (Johnson/Campbell/Miller) to the list.

I agree that Simmons should beat out Simoneau easily, but he'll still have to earn the job in camp and unseat the former starter.

The TE battle should be similar, I expect Johnson to win but Miller and Campbell should give him fierce competition.

Auron
03-26-2007, 02:03 PM
Some good news, the Saints have agreed to terms with the state officials of Louisiana that will keep them in New Orleans atleast through 2010.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6611582
BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - The New Orleans Saints have come to an agreement with state officials that will keep the team in Louisiana through the 2010 season.

Both sides agreed to toss out contract exit clauses that would have let the NFL team leave the state within the next four years.

Auron
03-26-2007, 07:26 PM
It is confirmed now, the New Orleans Saints will open up the 2007 on national TV on the road against the reigning SB Champion Indianapolis Colts. Thursday, September 6th.

Foxsports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6612006)

PHOENIX (AP) - The Indianapolis Colts will open the NFL season on Thursday night, Sept. 6, with a home game against the New Orleans Saints.

In what has become a recent tradition, the Super Bowl winner hosts the opening game three days before the full schedule begins.

"The Colts are the Super Bowl champions and New Orleans obviously was a terrific story on and off the field for the league," commissioner Roger Goodell said Monday at the NFL meetings. "We felt it's a great game to highlight during the 2007 season."

BiggerFoot
03-27-2007, 01:15 AM
I am excited and worried all at the same time, it is going to be awesome to have the honors of playing in the opening game. But the Colts are going to be hard especially with their peyton at the helm, and I would hate to start the season out with a loss if we did lose :(
That is going to be a tough first game for a rookie CB or DB if we do draft one in the first round

Geo
03-27-2007, 01:18 AM
I'm already looking forward to it!

Heck of a way to start the season.

Auron
03-27-2007, 05:58 AM
I'm already looking forward to it!

Heck of a way to start the season.

Same here should be a great game.

I am excited and worried all at the same time, it is going to be awesome to have the honors of playing in the opening game. But the Colts are going to be hard especially with their peyton at the helm, and I would hate to start the season out with a loss if we did lose :(
That is going to be a tough first game for a rookie CB or DB if we do draft one in the first round
Yeah I agree, from a general view point this was a great choice for an opening match up should be an exciting game.

From a Saints perspective this was a tough draw.. especially with the CB situation being the way it is. There's a strong possibility that either Fred Thomas, or a Rookie Corner will be thrown into the fire right away against the best Qb in the league, and 2 top WRs in the first game of the season.

Saints67
03-27-2007, 06:33 PM
per Shefter (on nfl network)....

that the Saints, keep knocking on the door of the broncos...asking for Bly (CB) and offering them trades...but they won't give in.

msmudcat
03-28-2007, 12:00 PM
I really think we should be looking at maybe dt or og with the first round from what it looks like to me wqe will be settling for the 7th or 8th best player in cb and we might be able to get the 3rd best in the other 2 spots,and if we can stop the run and get pressure on the qb the cb's we have start looking a whole lot better

Flyboy
03-28-2007, 12:03 PM
From a Saints perspective this was a tough draw.. especially with the CB situation being the way it is. There's a strong possibility that either Fred Thomas, or a Rookie Corner will be thrown into the fire right away against the best Qb in the league, and 2 top WRs in the first game of the season.

Yeah, it's a scary thought. But it's also going to be interesting to see which Colts' defense happens to show up as well.. will it be the defense that help them secure a Super Bowl or the defense that appeared in the latter part of last season? If there's one team that can put up points with the Colts, it's us. Should be a great game regardless, though.

TigerBait45
03-28-2007, 02:57 PM
The only guy that isn't a CB that I'd like the Saints to draft is Pat Willis, and that most certainly won't happen.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 02:58 PM
per Shefter (on nfl network)....

that the Saints, keep knocking on the door of the broncos...asking for Bly (CB) and offering them trades...but they won't give in.

Ain't gonna happen now... NFL.com's Adam Schefter is reporting that Denver has signed Dre' Bly to a multi-million, five year deal.

NFL News (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511)

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 03:00 PM
I really think we should be looking at maybe dt or og with the first round from what it looks like to me wqe will be settling for the 7th or 8th best player in cb and we might be able to get the 3rd best in the other 2 spots,and if we can stop the run and get pressure on the qb the cb's we have start looking a whole lot better

Um... I don't know if I completely understand, but I disagree with your logic. I think the Saints' biggest need is cornerback, not defensive tackle and definitely not offensive guard.

TigerBait45
03-28-2007, 03:03 PM
Bly would've been nice, but there are a lot of good, young corners in the draft that will be cheaper and around longer.

Darrelle Revis is what I'm hoping for but if we landed Chris Houston or Aaron Ross I'd be just as happy.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 03:03 PM
The only guy that isn't a CB that I'd like the Saints to draft is Pat Willis, and that most certainly won't happen.

I would absolutely love it if Patrick Willis fell to us at twenty-seven, but as it is, I really think he's gonna get snapped up by the Niners at eleven, and won't fall past (in my opinion) the Steelers at fifteen.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 03:08 PM
Yeah, it's a scary thought. But it's also going to be interesting to see which Colts' defense happens to show up as well.. will it be the defense that help them secure a Super Bowl or the defense that appeared in the latter part of last season? If there's one team that can put up points with the Colts, it's us. Should be a great game regardless, though.

I agree, this will be a great game, with lots of offense, between the Saints' Drew Brees, Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, and Marques Colston and the Colts' Peyton Manning, Joe Addai, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne.

Like you said, the key is which Indianapolis defense shows up... the one that was slashed and gashed during the season, or the one that shut down the Bears in the Super Bowl.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 03:11 PM
I don't think we can predict any of the training camp positional battles until after the entire free agency period and the Draft is over.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-28-2007, 03:15 PM
I don't think we can predict any of the training camp positional battles until after the entire free agency period and the Draft is over.

Why?

It's not like predicting draft picks isn't pointless, too. It's fun to speculate.

msmudcat
03-28-2007, 03:17 PM
My logic is simply fred thomas started going down hill as the season progressed if we where able to draft or pick up a vetran in june to help him out i think get sombody that can help get some presure on the qb if the qb is running around and dont have all day to throw the ball that helps the cb's out even more. becouse the way im looking at the draft is bpa and not many cb's really look that great they may be good college player but even great cover men in colege never make it to be solid cb's in the nfl and 7 or 8th best cb compared to 3rd best dl that can help couse havoc in the back field and stop the run id take the dl and the word's that SP likes to use is BPA in the draft

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-28-2007, 03:21 PM
My logic is simply fred thomas started going down hill as the season progressed if we where able to draft or pick up a vetran in june to help him out i think get sombody that can help get some presure on the qb if the qb is running around and dont have all day to throw the ball that helps the cb's out even more. becouse the way im looking at the draft is bpa and not many cb's really look that great they may be good college player but even great cover men in colege never make it to be solid cb's in the nfl and 7 or 8th best cb compared to 3rd best dl that can help couse havoc in the back field and stop the run id take the dl and the word's that SP likes to use is BPA in the draft

1. We're not going to take the 7th or 8th best CB in the first round. There are 5 first round CB's in this draft. We should be able to get one of them.
2. There is no way we're going to get the 3rd best DL in this draft with #27, anyway.
3. I hope you weren't serious when you mentioned an OG a few posts up.

TigerBait45
03-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Not many CB's look that great?

Darrelle Revis looks to me like he'll be good really quickly, Chris Houston is a stud, Aaron Ross is very polished and Marcus McCauley has upside that is out of this world.

If we got any one of these guys we'd be okay at corner for a while (with the possible exception of McCauley).

We can wait a while to take a DT. Quinn Pitcock or Justin Harrell may well be available for us in the second round.

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 08:25 PM
Why?

It's not like predicting draft picks isn't pointless, too. It's fun to speculate.

Um, maybe because trying to determine what positional battles we'll see in training camp depends that on who we sign and who we draft?

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Saints Dome Patrol
03-28-2007, 10:34 PM
Another major post-season award for the Saints as it was announced today that Saints general manager Mickey Loomis was the winner of the 2006George Young NFL Executive of the Year.

Read about it on NFL.com: Saints' comeback earns honor for Loomis (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10094316)

Auron
03-30-2007, 10:14 PM
Been kind of slow around here past few days. Last post was 2 days ago. So figured I would post this Saints article. Pretty good read.

Payton Wants Saints to Focus (http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-3/1175146827179240.xml&coll=1)

PHOENIX -- When Sean Payton greets his players at a 1 p.m. team meeting Monday that will begin the Saints' offseason program at the practice facility on Airline Drive, one of the primary messages he'll deliver is that it's time to turn the page on the 2006 season.

"I just believe you start again at ground zero," Payton said Monday at the NFL's annual meetings. "You don't pick up from where you left off. You go all the way back and start with the quarterback-center exchange, the correct way to take a stance. I think that's important for our team."

Apparently, the time to savor last season's magical run to the Saints' first appearance in the NFC championship game has passed. It'll be time to focus on the present.

And for Payton, that means no looking back, except for how the groundwork was laid for the team's unprecedented 2006 success.

"We're going to have to prepare the same way again this season," he said. "We're going to have to have a good offseason. We're going to have to have a good training camp. We're going to have to have some good fortune with injuries to put ourselves in a position, possibly in a position, to play in the postseason."

Payton said Wednesday he's anticipating perfect attendance at the offseason program that commences Monday with lifting and running for the first month, and the organized training activities beginning one month later.

"There might be a glitch or two with a guy who's got to do something," Payton said. "But we should have everyone there. I'm anxious to see these guys. But I think it was important to push (the start) back a couple of weeks, because it seemed as though these guys were just here checking out."

In Payton's first year, the offseason program began in mid-March. But, he said because of the Saints' extended run in the postseason, he has had to modify that schedule to accommodate some additional time off.

But, Payton said, that also has proved to be something of a test in budgeting his time since the Jan. 21 loss to the Chicago Bears in the NFC title game.

"The challenge coming off the year, and I think it takes place with anyone in the postseason, is immediately when you're in the postseason, you're a little bit behind," Payton said. "And you go a little further into the postseason, you're three weeks behind schedule, assuming your season ended on the last game of the regular season. And then we coached in the Pro Bowl. There's another week. That, on top of some of the demands in regards to whether it's an awards ceremony, or whether it's something in the city, we kind of went through that week, week and a half after the Pro Bowl still getting our work done in regard to free agency and the draft."

Payton said he and his wife, Beth, were able last weekend to sit at a north shore park and enjoy their children's sports activities, son Conner's soccer match and daughter Megan's volleyball game.

"It was the first weekend we had when there wasn't something on the calendar," Payton said. "There wasn't an event we had to attend."

Payton said he has been pleased, thus far, with the Saints' free-agent acquisitions, linebacker Brian Simmons, safety Kevin Kaesviharn and tight end Eric Johnson, but hinted the Saints might not be finished shopping.

"You lay out a plan," Payton said, "but you don't try to manufacture the player. Hey, I'd love to have a corner right now. But we said at the beginning we weren't going to manufacture one.

"That doesn't mean a couple of weeks from now we're able to sign somebody. So far, it's going well. We got a couple of guys on defense we think will help us, a tight end we think will help us. And most importantly, and people lose sight of this, we were able to retain the players we were most interested in keeping. That's very important."

Still, Payton has very definite ideas what the Saints' primary target areas will be in the April 28-29 draft, citing among some concerns, the age of his interior defensive line and his desire to develop young quarterbacks.

"There are some spots on defense we think are important," Payton said. "I don't want to finish this question with every position group answered. But I do think that in the secondary we're probably looking for one, if not a couple of young corners.

"So right off the top, cornerback, defensive line, quarterback, receiver. What's hard to find in free agency are corners, left tackles and defensive ends. You've got to draft those."

Sveen
04-01-2007, 03:25 PM
As we all probably know by now, we didn't get any compensatory picks.

Auron
04-01-2007, 07:53 PM
Recent Saints article, news.

Saints Team Report (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67055&type=NotesAndQuotes)
Notes and Quotes

--After being one of the NFL's biggest success stories in 2006, the Saints will gets lots of exposure early in 2007 -- both in the exhibition season and the regular season.

The Saints, who were selected to play in the Hall of Fame game on Aug. 5 against the Pittsburgh Steelers, learned last week that they'll go against the defending Super Bowl champion Indianapolis Colts in the regular-season opener on Sept. 6 in the RCA Dome.

The game will be televised by NBC and played on a Thursday night, three days before the rest of the league begins regular-season play. Ironically, the Saints and Colts could have met seven months earlier in Super Bowl XLI, but the Saints fell one game short of the title game.

"The Colts are the Super Bowl champions and New Orleans obviously was a terrific story on and off the field for the league," NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said in making the announcement at the league meetings. "We feel it's a great game to highlight during the 2007 season."

"It will be like a Super Bowl," Saints owner Tom Benson said. "I think it's a good indication of where our club is going."

--The Sporting News honored Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis last week, presenting him with the George Young NFL Executive of the Year Award for 2006.

Loomis, the Saints' general manager since 2002, was presented the award at the NFL meetings in Phoenix. He won the honor in a vote of 51 owners and front office personnel from around the league after helping turn around a team that went to the NFC title game following a 3-13 season in 2005.

The Saints played the 2005 season away from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina devastated the city and Superdome. Upon their return, Loomis hired Sean Payton and presided over several moves that shaped the club that went on to win the NFC South title with a 10-6 record.

Loomis picked up 16 of 51 votes cast, while Baltimore Ravens General Manager Ozzie Newsome and San Diego Chargers' G.M. A.J. Smith tied for second with 12 votes each.

--The Saints announced last week that they have re-signed wide receiver Terrance Copper, who was a restricted free agent, to a one-year contract.

Copper was tendered a one-year offer by the Saints at the start of free agency, but was free to accept an offer from another team. Had he done that, the Saints would have had the opportunity to match the offer and retain his services.

Copper was claimed off waivers from the Dallas Cowboys just days before the regular-season opener. He was expected to help mainly on special teams, but had a career-high 23 receptions for 385 yards and three TDs in 2006.

He became a big part of the offense in the second half of the season when Joe Horn was battling a groin injury. In the final eight games, Copper, who played in 15 games with four starts, had 20 catches for 330 yards and three TDs.

--The Saints did not receive any of the 32 compensatory draft picks that were handed out during the league meetings last week.

A team that loses more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory picks up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a NFL Management Council formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors.

The Saints were awarded one compensatory pick in the seventh round of the 2006 draft. They used it to take wide receiver Marques Colston, who earned a starting job in training camp and went on to catch 70 passes for 1,038 yards and eight touchdowns.

--Saints running back Reggie Bush hosted a clinic for more than 2,000 youngsters in his hometown of San Diego recently, helping teach the children football and life skills.

Nearly three dozen current and former players helped put on the clinic with Bush, who said the camp was his way of giving back to the community. He also presented $10,000 scholarships to two students at his alma mater, Helix High.

"I'm excited to be able to do this and bring it back to San Diego," Bush said. "This was the starting place for me and a lot of other great athletes who have come out of here. The children are excited and we are glad to have provided them the opportunity to come out here and learn a lot of life lesions and pick up some football and athletic tips along the way.

"I want this thing to be larger than life," he said Bush.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to have to prepare the same way again this season. We're going to have to have a good off-season. We're going to have to have a good training camp. We're going to have to have some good fortune with injuries to put ourselves in a position, possibly in a position, to play in the postseason." -- Saints coach Sean Payton on his team's off-season program.

Inside Slant

The Saints and the state of Louisiana have reached an agreement that would throw out exit clauses in their contract and keep the team in New Orleans at least through the 2010 season.

According to terms of a 10-year contract hammered out between the state and team in 2001, the Saints could have left by March 31, 2007 by repaying the $70 million in inducements the state has paid out since the contract was signed. The state could have broken the lease after the 2007 season.

But in light of the Saints' 10-6 season in 2006 and the team selling out the Superdome on a full-season basis last season -- and likely to do so again this season -- both sides agreed to cancel the exit clauses.

"For the foreseeable future, Louisiana's team will keep marching to victory right here," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said in announcing the latest development in the ongoing negotiations to keep the Saints.

In addition, the two sides will continue to work on negotiating a long-term deal that would keep the team in New Orleans past the scheduled expiration date on the current contract.

The current $186.5 million contract with the Saints was negotiated in 2001 by former Gov. Mike Foster's administration and involves making annual payments to the team on top of other subsidies through 2010.

While the state payments will continue, Blanco, who announced recently that she won't seek re-election this fall, said she didn't give the Saints more money. But Blanco said the state will continue to upgrade the Superdome, which underwent a major renovation after being severely damaged by Hurricane Katrina.

"Our commitment to New Orleans has been unwavering," Saints owner Tom Benson said in a statement issued by the club. "I didn't want there to be any misunderstanding about the club honoring the contract. During this period, I anticipate both parties exploring all options available to retain this very important relationship beyond 2010."

Saints spokesman Greg Bensel said Benson, who was in Phoenix at the league meetings when the announcement was made, "is committed over the next four years to get a long-term deal done here and to stay here forever."

News from KFFL. (http://www.kffl.com/nfl/)

Saints | Team could consider G. Olsen
Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:35:49 -0700

Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports the New Orleans Saints could consider Miami TE Greg Olsen if he falls to them in the 2007 NFL Draft.


Saints | Team will likely add a quarterback during the draft
Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:30:09 -0700

Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports the New Orleans Saints will likely add a quarterback in the middle rounds of the 2007 NFL Draft.


Saints | Payton wants more authority when disciplining players
Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:29:14 -0700

Jimmy Smith, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton believes coaches should have more authority to discipline players whose off-field conduct is a disruption. "I think this: As a coach, the ability to immediately discipline a player, I think, is beneficial. You can release a player if he's not talented enough and if you feel he wasn't going to be good enough to play at that position. The decision is based on talent. But the challenge is if something else happens, and you release a player, there's a certain protocol that has to take place. I think it's important there's enough teeth in the disciplining a coach has," Payton said.

Hmm someone out there is really pushing the Olsen to the Saints angle...not sure if I'm buying it. If he's the best player left on the board it wouldn't be that bad. I just think we have many more pressing needs to address in the early rounds.

It's pretty much a given Payton will take a developmental QB prospect in the later rounds to groom as a backup.

TigerBait45
04-01-2007, 08:31 PM
If Olsen is the best player on the board (aka there isn't a first round corner left to take) then the Saints should definitely pick him up.

Can you imagine two Tight End sets with he and Eric Johnson split to either side?

I wouldn't mind the Saints taking a DT if there isn't a good corner left, either. Justin Harrell would be a nice fit.

Flyboy
04-01-2007, 08:36 PM
I wouldn't mind taking either Greg Olsen or Dwayne Jarrett if both fall to us and there aren't any defensive players that stand out to us for our selection. I'd be content.

Saints Dome Patrol
04-01-2007, 08:49 PM
Hmm someone out there is really pushing the Olsen to the Saints angle...not sure if I'm buying it. If he's the best player left on the board it wouldn't be that bad. I just think we have many more pressing needs to address in the early rounds.

It's pretty much a given Payton will take a developmental QB prospect in the later rounds to groom as a backup.

I don't believe that Greg Olsen will be available for the Saints at 27, and even if he is, I'm not sure if he's our biggest need. While he could be the best tight end in this year's class, that really isn't saying much. This year's tight end class is one of the thinnest I've seen in years. However, even with that, I think our first round priority lies elsewhere.

As for a development quarterback, the one I'd really like the Saints to target is BYU quarterback John Beck. I realize that he's not the big name quarterback that others like Brady Quinn or JaMarcus Russell are, but I really think he has the chance to be special at the next level, and if nothing else, can learn from both Drew Brees and Jamie Martin.

Sveen
04-02-2007, 01:28 AM
The thing about Beck is that he will be a 26-year old rookie so we would be risking him getting really old before becoming a solid starter.

Flyboy
04-03-2007, 03:42 PM
We traded our 6th rounder for Olindo Mare.

diabsoule
04-03-2007, 04:43 PM
We traded our 6th rounder for Olindo Mare.

Payton is taking a gamble on Mare. Olindo used to be a very clutch kicker in the league but the past years he's regressed. Maybe in an indoor stadium he might be able to get back in the groove of things. So far I don't know what to think about this signing but I'm leaning towards the fact that we might have been better off drafting someone in the 6th Rd, someone like Justin Medlock.

Plus, no one knows where Mason Crosby will end up and we could have a chance at getting him possibly in the 3rd.

Auron
04-03-2007, 05:54 PM
Payton is taking a gamble on Mare. Olindo used to be a very clutch kicker in the league but the past years he's regressed. Maybe in an indoor stadium he might be able to get back in the groove of things. So far I don't know what to think about this signing but I'm leaning towards the fact that we might have been better off drafting someone in the 6th Rd, someone like Justin Medlock.

Plus, no one knows where Mason Crosby will end up and we could have a chance at getting him possibly in the 3rd.
I like the move, Mare may be able to get back on track kicking field goal Indoors. Also he has a booming leg so that'll improve kickoff position by a certain deal.

Auron
04-05-2007, 12:16 AM
Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArqnPXK92y8Aso9d53YthBZDubYF?slug=jm-nfcsouthneeds040307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) article on the Saints Draft needs.

New Orleans Saints
Team needs: CB, TE, WR, DL, QB
Overall pick/round: 27 (1), 58 (2), 88 (3), 123 (4), 125 (4), 126 (4), 163 (5), 220 (7)

CB: They are armed with six picks in the first four rounds, so making a deal up in the first is exceedingly possible. Chances are, they would need to trade from pick No. 27 to the middle of the first round in order to have a shot at someone like Darrelle Revis or Chris Houston.

TE: While making a similar trade up in the first round to select Greg Olsen would clearly solve another of the team's biggest needs, it is unlikely that they would part with multiple picks for another offensive player. Instead, the Saints are likely to pull from a decent group of second-tier prospects like Clark Harris, Scott Chandler or Martrez Milner all possibilities between the third and fourth rounds.

WR: The Saints lucked out with the immediate impact of last year's seventh-round pick Marques Colston. He enters next season as their go-to guy, but they are looking for depth and contributions beyond Devery Henderson and Terrance Copper. The staff likes former undrafted free agent Jamal Jones, but the team could use a fourth-round pick on a development flanker as a replacement for the departed Joe Horn.

DL: This is still one of the strongest positions on the Saints' roster. However, they are likely to lose right end Charles Grant to free agency a year from now unless a new long-term deal can be agreed upon this summer. They re-signed veteran defensive tackle Hollis Thomas, but it would be wise to draft his eventual replacement. Tackles that fit their style would include Brandon Mebane, Trey Lewis or late-rounders like Brent Curvey or Joe Anoai.

QB: Veteran Drew Brees was obviously a tremendous pickup for the Saints last offseason. Now, they should turn their attention to developing a young quarterback behind Brees and veteran backup Jamie Martin. They have four selections within a 40- pick range (Nos. 123-163) between rounds 4-5, so prospects that could fit their scheme include Jeff Rowe, Zac Taylor and even Florida's Chris Leak.
They covered the main needs but I don't entirely agree with the order of them. I think D-line needs to be higher, at around the 2nd-3rd ranked need. We really have to add some fresh bodies on the Defensive line, both on the interior and possibly an edge guy to groom for Grant's replacement.

I would've possibly added Linebacker depth on there.

504 to ATL
04-05-2007, 02:35 AM
We need alot but hopefully we can get some role players in the mid draft slots. I dont think we will wind up comming out with more than one immediate stud.

Auron
04-08-2007, 03:06 PM
KFFL (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl) is reporting we have a private visit set up with QB Trent Edwards.

Saints | T. Edwards has private visit set up with team
Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:15:09 -0700

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the New Orleans Saints have a private visit set up with Stanford QB Trent Edwards.

diabsoule
04-09-2007, 12:18 AM
KFFL (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl) is reporting we have a private visit set up with QB Trent Edwards.

I would not mind him being drafted by us, but it all depends on where he falls to as I feel we have bigger needs in the first 3 Rounds.

Saints Dome Patrol
04-09-2007, 12:44 AM
I would not mind him being drafted by us, but it all depends on where he falls to as I feel we have bigger needs in the first 3 Rounds.

I agree. I don't think that the Saints need to get a quarterback until the fourth or fifth round. Someone like Edwards, Ohio State's Troy Smith, Florida's Chris Leak, Nebraska's Zac Taylor, diabsoule's boy Pitt's Tyler Palko and lastly, my favorite, BYU's John Beck are all possibilities.

Auron
04-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Brief Payton blurb in a Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=195457#start_comments) article. Payton talks about the need to run the ball better, and the importance of field position.

Sean Payton is not satisfied with everything he produced from his running game last season in New Orleans. He wants Reggie Bush to become a better inside runner and Deuce McAllister to improve his outside skills. The goal is to make it more difficult for defenses to scheme against the Saints. Bush also needs to hone his pass-protection skills, in part by becoming stronger so he can hold up better when he blocks linebackers. He also will be asked to cut down negative-yardage plays on punt returns. Payton understands Bush's desire to generate long gainers, but he doesn't want to sacrifice field position as a tradeoff. . . .

I think Payton's assessment is spot on. We could've ran the ball a lot better at times last season.

I definitely think that we'll see more improvements in that area as Deuce is another year removed from the knee injury he should get some more burst back, and Reggie should continue to become a more experienced runner.

504 to ATL
04-10-2007, 01:57 AM
Reggie steadily improved as the season progressed. Deuce as you said it will be more confident after a healthy season.

I wouldnt want to sacrifice Reggies big play capabilites on the outside runs though. He is probably the best running back in the league at outside running, partly because he does it so often and partly because he evades defenders so well.

The negative yardage runs and returns are definitely correct, on Reggies part he needs to dive forward sometimes. But as he settles down all will be better.

I am falling in love more and more with Payton with each quote he says. He never quits and always wants improvement.

GermanSaint
04-10-2007, 03:54 AM
do you guys really think , guys like beason and especially olsen are real saints favourites ? i cant remember loomis drafting a florida or miami standout this high. i mean , maybe its a rumor , but payton love the high character guys , besides that i dont think we need a receiving TE this bad. more likely we will draft a WR on day one . so we could go out with two blocking TE , two WR , Brees and McAllister/Bush. maybe replace one TE with the other RB or FB. but i dont see. formations with the TE being number one options. we have glaring needs at defense. not to draft a DB/D# bpa at 27 would be highly negligent.

so my options are :

in this order : revis , ross , Pos , Meachem OR Down/UP Trade. ( down for another LB plus picks . up for someone like revis )

what do you guys think.

Auron
04-10-2007, 10:55 AM
Reggie steadily improved as the season progressed. Deuce as you said it will be more confident after a healthy season.

I wouldnt want to sacrifice Reggies big play capabilites on the outside runs though. He is probably the best running back in the league at outside running, partly because he does it so often and partly because he evades defenders so well.

The negative yardage runs and returns are definitely correct, on Reggies part he needs to dive forward sometimes. But as he settles down all will be better.

Definitely like you said you don't want to take away the strengths of the backfield. I still believe Deuce's role will be inside handoffs, and Reggie will remain a multi-purpose threat who will be moved around to force match up problems.

The thing I think Payton was getting at, was he wants them to improve their all-around game, to add even more versatility to the Offense. With that the Offense would become completely unpredictable. Last year there was some predictability in the sense that if Deuce was getting the hand off more often than not it would be an inside run, if Reggie was getting the ball more often than not it would be going outside.

I think Payton just wants to remove that predictability factor.


do you guys really think , guys like beason and especially olsen are real saints favourites ? i cant remember loomis drafting a florida or miami standout this high. i mean , maybe its a rumor , but payton love the high character guys , besides that i dont think we need a receiving TE this bad. more likely we will draft a WR on day one . so we could go out with two blocking TE , two WR , Brees and McAllister/Bush. maybe replace one TE with the other RB or FB. but i dont see. formations with the TE being number one options. we have glaring needs at defense. not to draft a DB/D# bpa at 27 would be highly negligent.

so my options are :
in this order : revis , ross , Pos , Meachem OR Down/UP Trade. ( down for another LB plus picks . up for someone like revis )

what do you guys think.

I don't know. It's hard to get a good read on who the Saints are liking in the Draft. Payton runs a tight ship. Your scenario works.

I would not mind trading up to ensure we land one of the 1st round Corners, Revis/Houston/ Ross. Then on the other hand I wouldn't mind if they stayed PAT and took the best Defensive player left on the board, whether that be a Posluszny/Beason/Harrell..etc.

If a top WR falls I think the Saints will take a long hard look as well if there is little Defensive value left on the board at the end of Round 1.

terribletowel39
04-10-2007, 12:42 PM
what do yall think of trading up or staying put and grabbing David Harris to help stop the run up the middle and then going for mccauley or eric wright in the 2nd?? that is if all four 1st round corners are off the board by the time the saints pick. otherwise i would say pick on of the 4 top corners and go MLB in Waters in the 3rd or 4th.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
04-10-2007, 01:19 PM
what do yall think of trading up or staying put and grabbing David Harris to help stop the run up the middle and then going for mccauley or eric wright in the 2nd?? that is if all four 1st round corners are off the board by the time the saints pick. otherwise i would say pick on of the 4 top corners and go MLB in Waters in the 3rd or 4th.

I really, really like David Harris, but I just don't think he's a first round prospect. I'd say early to mid second, and if he's around when we pick in the second, I'd love it if we'd grab him.

terribletowel39
04-10-2007, 02:05 PM
I really, really like David Harris, but I just don't think he's a first round prospect. I'd say early to mid second, and if he's around when we pick in the second, I'd love it if we'd grab him.

yea i agree that he isn't a first round prospect, but i don't see anyone else at yalls picks available. maybe mccauley will be high enough on the saints big board to grab at 27/28/29?? whereever it is the saints pick. whatever the saints do i think it has to be defense all of day 1 and most day 2.

terribletowel39
04-10-2007, 02:09 PM
also looking back on the article of team needs by yahoo, i don't know if anyone has seen this thread: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6121
but the guy looks like a haus. and could probably more than adequately replace thomas once he retires in the next few years.

Auron
04-10-2007, 08:35 PM
Article on the New Orleans Saints Official Website (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3387) about Roman Harper's recovery.

Looks like his rehab is going smoothly he says he's about 85-90% now, and he should be near full strength by training camp. Ninkovich looks to be progressing as well.

Heading into the Saints' preseason game against Dallas last August, rookie second-round draft pick Roman Harper was inserted into the starting lineup at strong safety just weeks into his first training camp out of the University of Alabama.

For the remaining three weeks of the preseason and the first five weeks of the regular season, Harper held down that starting spot in the New Orleans secondary and showed excellent promise before seeing his rookie season cut short when he tore the ACL in his left knee in the fourth quarter of the win over Tampa Bay October 8 at the Superdome.

In his first five regular season games, Harper helped lead the team to a 4-1 start with his 32 tackles, two pass defenses, one forced fumble and a quarterback sack. He then was forced to the sidelines and became a cheerleader as his teammates carried on to win the NFC South title and came within one win of the Super Bowl.

"It was definitely frustrating at times but I was really happy because I'm a team guy," Harper revealed Tuesday when asked how difficult it was to be a bystander for a large portion of the season.

"As long as I got to keep joking around with the guys, it was fun and I had a good time with it. It was a winning season and everybody in the whole city was happy."

Six months out from the injury and having worked tirelessly to rehab following his surgery, the defensive back feels like he's almost all the way back to where he needs to be to compete and vows to be ready by the time camp rolls around this summer.

"I'm coming along really well; I'm about 85-90% now, just running and doing all the drills with the team," said Harper. "I'm getting out there and running and I'm just a little bit tired so I'm in the back a little bit, but it's coming along well strength-wise.

"I think I'll be 100% by (training camp). Everything has been coming along really well and I'm a little bit ahead of schedule. If I just keep continuing to work out and (Head Athletic Trainer) Scottie (Patton) and everybody keep getting on me everyday, I'll continue to improve."

Harper's recovery has been spurred on by the fact that he hasn't had to go it alone on the road back to fitness as fellow 2006 rookie Rob Ninkovich was right alongside him, having suffered a similar injury just two weeks earlier.

"I felt so bad for him when he tore his in the Atlanta game which was such a big game," Harper said of the defensive end. He's a good friend of mine and now that we've been through this whole thing together, we're even better friends. He's always checking on my knee and I'm checking on his - mine's the left and his is the right. He's just a little bit bigger and a lot slower than me, but he's still my boy though. We've gone through everything together and he's going to be good too."

Harper is hungry and eager to get back on the field, as he acknowledges that he's going to have some work do to in order to once again win his starting role in the defensive backfield.

"I've got to do what I can do and contribute however I can and just play ball,: he said. "I'm here for a reason just like the rest of the guys, so the best guys are going to play and the rest will have to help this team win. I'm coming back though and it feels real good. It's getting better and I've just got to do what I've got to do."

BiggerFoot
04-10-2007, 10:34 PM
tt39 you beat me to that Walter Thomas DT article, he is around 370 pounds and can move, WOW. That is amazing and even though he would be a project I think that we could use a 4th or a 5th on just that much potential. Representing MS as well.

I think the draft will go D with almost every pick I agree, but I think that WR with a day 1 pick would be wise as long as we get value. I would not mind trading down with our first round pick, to say the Dolphins and see if Harrell, Rice, or McCauley are there. and pick up a 3rd round pick

terribletowel39
04-11-2007, 03:48 AM
tt39 you beat me to that Walter Thomas DT article, he is around 370 pounds and can move, WOW. That is amazing and even though he would be a project I think that we could use a 4th or a 5th on just that much potential. Representing MS as well.

I think the draft will go D with almost every pick I agree, but I think that WR with a day 1 pick would be wise as long as we get value. I would not mind trading down with our first round pick, to say the Dolphins and see if Harrell, Rice, or McCauley are there. and pick up a 3rd round pick

yea he supposedly is a beast, but in that thread ricky bobby also brings up another guy that is interesting. he links an article to it. like 6'5 345 lb man and he does a backflip he is so agile/athletic. i personally think the WR core the saints have now will do just fine, but since everyone else wants a WR, has anyone mentioned Paul Williams?? maybe 3/4 round guy. who has great potential. youtube him. you won't be disappointed. if any of you saints fans are LA tech fans another guy that i think we will be special Jonathan Holland. i think he is a big sleeper in the draft. just some more ideas.

Auron
04-11-2007, 12:22 PM
Saints 2007 Schedule

Week 1 - @ Indianapolis (Season Opener)
Week 2 - @ Tampa Bay
Week 3 - Tennessee (MNF)
Week 4 - BYE
Week 5 - Carolina
Week 6 - @ Seattle (SNF)
Week 7 - Atlanta
Week 8 - @ San Francisco
Week 9 - Jacksonville
Week 10 - St. Louis
Week 11 - @ Houston
Week 12 - @ Carolina
Week 13 - Tampa Bay
Week 14 - @ Atlanta (MNF)
Week 15 - Arizona
Week 16 - Philadelphia
Week 17 - @ Chicago

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
04-11-2007, 12:36 PM
Saints 2007 Schedule

Week 1 - @ Indianapolis (Season Opener)
Week 2 - @ Tampa Bay
Week 3 - Tennessee (MNF)
Week 4 - BYE
Week 5 - Carolina
Week 6 - @ Seattle (SNF)
Week 7 - Atlanta
Week 8 - @ San Francisco
Week 9 - Jacksonville
Week 10 - St. Louis
Week 11 - @ Houston
Week 12 - @ Carolina
Week 13 - Tampa Bay
Week 14 - @ Atlanta (MNF)
Week 15 - Arizona
Week 16 - Philadelphia
Week 17 - @ Chicago

Very tough games to open and close the regular season, but everything in between is a fairly easy schedule. I think another 10-6 or 11-5 seems about right.

Auron
04-11-2007, 12:41 PM
Very tough games to open and close the regular season, but everything in between is a fairly easy schedule. I think another 10-6 or 11-5 seems about right.

I actually think it's not bad, obviously Week 1 will be a huge test. I hope we can have a playoff spot locked up by Week 16, because closing with the Eagles, and Bears sounds grueling.

I'm not so sure about having the Bye so early, I would prefer it around the middle of the season.

Week 3, Dome opener on Monday Night football should be a very intriguing match up.. Vince Young, vs Reggie.

Saints Dome Patrol
04-11-2007, 04:33 PM
I actually think it's not bad, obviously Week 1 will be a huge test. I hope we can have a playoff spot locked up by Week 16, because closing with the Eagles, and Bears sounds grueling.

I'm not so sure about having the Bye so early, I would prefer it around the middle of the season.

Week 3, Dome opener on Monday Night football should be a very intriguing match up.. Vince Young, vs Reggie.


I'm with you. I hate the fact our bye week is so early in the season. I'd rather have the break in the middle of the season, instead of week four.

And how were we so lucky to get both Super Bowl representatives on the road as the bookends of our schedule? :(

Auron
04-13-2007, 03:23 PM
Recent article on the Saints (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3397) official Website. Talks about how our new additions to the team are fitting in already.

Three of the newest members of the New Orleans Saints met the local media for the first time this week following their addition to the roster this offseason. Linebacker Brian Simmons and safety Kevin Kaesviharn signed with the club as free agents last month, and kicker Olindo Mare joined the Saints via a trade last week.

All three of the newcomers are participating in Head Coach Sean Payton's offseason program and are enjoying getting settled into their new surroundings.

Kaesviharn said that he and his family felt very welcome by the organization and is looking forward to this new chapter in his career.

"It's nice," he said. "Going through the whole process we felt like we wanted to be in a place where we could win right away and this is obviously a place where I feel like that's a possibility and I think everyone feels that way here.

"The offseason workouts are going well. I understand the importance of being here, getting to know the guys, getting to know the city, and letting them get to know me. What I"ve seen is a lot of class, a lot of good people, and anytime you have that I think the sky is the limit."

Simmons is eager to be a part of an exciting time to be a Saint, and hopes to further the success that the club enjoyed in 2006. When asked what it was about the Saints that drew him to New Orleans, the linebacker pointed out the good direction he sees this team headed in.

"I was impressed with what they did last year and the veteran leadership on this team, the composure of the team, and I felt like this is definitely a team that can win the Super Bowl," said Simmons.

"The thing that you have to keep in focus is that one year doesn't turn it around. You've got to keep doing the things that you've done to get to this point and now it's time to go up another level because once you get to this point, everyone's going to be coming after you and you're not going to be able to sneak up on people."

While Mare admittedly wasn't expecting to be traded by the Miami Dolphins, he's definitely pleased with the place he finds himself in now.

"It's a winning team," said the veteran kicker. "I got a lot of phone calls after I got traded from Miami and everybody seemed to be excited so it's not just a personal thing. A lot of guys around the league were saying how lucky I was to come to a team like this, so I'm pretty excited.

"All of the stuff I've heard from players before and after the trade is that all the guys are great in the locker room."

Each of these new Saints are ready to contribute to the team's success and are eager to put in the work necessary to get on the field and win games for New Orleans.

'I don't expect them to give me anything," Simmons said when asked if he's been given a starting role among the linebacking corps. "I've come down here willing to work and go out there and earn my position. They told me that they want me to play middle linebacker and that's all I need to know. It's up to me to take the job and win it."

Kaesviharn says he's ready contribute in any way possible.

"There's an importance in having depth. I think every coach and every team needs that depth," he said. "It's important to have guys who can step in right away that have the experience and have the ability to play.

"Whoever starts, that's who the coach feels is going to give the best opportunity to win but every guy understands the importance of being ready just in case something happens. And you have to have competition - that's the only way everybody's going to get better individually and as a team."

I really like these guys attitudes toward hard work, I think Payton and Loomis are doing a great job of finding guys that fit into the team structure.

504 to ATL
04-14-2007, 03:30 AM
It is good to see the players we bring in have class, and composure.

Hopefully the team believes in one another and if what three relatively new commers have to say then team morale is very high, something which has been lacking for the past decade or so in a Saint's franchise.

corporaten45
04-15-2007, 05:29 PM
OK, so the Detroit Lions are done with Mike Williams. They do not want him anymore. We're obvoiusly looking for another WR and what do yall think of trying to pick him up with a 3rd or 4th round pick??

I know he's had problems in Detroit. This could be due to the fact that he simply does not want to play there [honestly who would want to play for that team whose got a lot of problems right now]. I think he could be reinspired and pushed by Drew Brees, all of the other teamates around him and be excited to be playing under an offensive genious known as THE SEAN PAYTON. This has the potential to be a championship team and he could start a new career here.

Any opinions on trying to pursue this WR who was supposed to be huge coming out of college????

TigerBait45
04-15-2007, 06:37 PM
Hes overweight, not a hard worker, and he seemingly has character issues.

Hes immensely talented, but theres no way Payton will even think about this guy, let alone try to trade for him.

Auron
04-15-2007, 06:44 PM
Hes overweight, not a hard worker, and he seemingly has character issues.

Hes immensely talented, but theres no way Payton will even think about this guy, let alone try to trade for him.

Agreed. Apparently he has problems with work ethic, motivation, and keeping his weight under control.

I don't think he would last a day going through Sean Payton's training camps.

TigerBait45
04-15-2007, 06:46 PM
If theres a Lion's receiver we should be interested in it may be Mike Furrey.

I don't know much about him, but he looked really good last year with Kitna throwing to him.

Auron
04-15-2007, 06:51 PM
If theres a Lion's receiver we should be interested in it may be Mike Furrey.

I don't know much about him, but he looked really good last year with Kitna throwing to him.

I like Furrey he's an underrated blue collar guy, but the Lions re-signed him this off-season to a 3 year deal.

Found the link: Lions agree with Furrey on a 3 year deal. (http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=454674)

TigerBait45
04-15-2007, 06:55 PM
Ah, thats a good move for them.

If all else fails, Craig Davis in the second doesn't sound too bad to me. Sidney Rice scares me, mostly because hes a Spurrier receiver. I think Davis would be a nice pick if hes around.

504 to ATL
04-16-2007, 02:19 AM
The Saints have the big physical receiver in Colston, and the long play guy in Henderson.

The Saints just need a guy with exceptional/good hands and a good route runner. The Saints lack players with great hands, that was Joe Horn. Therefore I would say Smith, or Davis would be great picks.

Sveen
04-16-2007, 02:54 AM
If we want a great route-runner Gonzalez should be given a good look also.

Flyboy
04-16-2007, 07:23 AM
I don't see what would be so bad about it. Low risk, high reward type of investment.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
04-16-2007, 11:23 AM
HELLLLLLLLLLLL NO!

Mike Williams is Jonathan Sullivan reincarnated as a wideout.

Edit - he's also nowhere near worthy of a 3rd or 4th rounder. You really need to learn the value of draft picks.

diabsoule
04-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Not a chance. It would be an absouletly terrible move for us. The only remaining wide receiver left in free agency that I would happy with the Saints signing is Eric Moulds.

GermanSaint
04-19-2007, 03:02 AM
Not a chance. It would be an absouletly terrible move for us. The only remaining wide receiver left in free agency that I would happy with the Saints signing is Eric Moulds.


spitting teammates , dont make me happy ....

Auron
04-21-2007, 07:06 PM
The latest Saints team report on Foxsports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67055&type=InsideSlant).

Saints Team Report:

Inside Slant

In a move that will likely impact the way they approach the draft, the Saints took a step to filling one of their needs last week in signing restricted free agent cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet.

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6722694

It was no secret that the Saints would be in the market for a cornerback during the off-season and David, who started the last three seasons for the Super Bowl champion Indianapolis Colts, certainly fills the bill.

Now, the only trick is to see if the Colts match the offer sheet and retain the services of David, a 5-foot-8, 180-pounder. If the Colts don't match the deal by Friday, the Saints would have to give up one of their three fourth-round draft picks -- the 126th overall selection.

David, 24, started 43 regular-season games for the Colts after being selected in the fourth round of the 2004 draft. The Washington State product has seen action in all 48 regular season games and started in the Colts' Super Bowl XLI win over the Chicago Bears in February.

David's regular-season stats include 147 tackles and eight interceptions for 65 yards and a long return of 34 yards with one touchdown. He has also recovered three fumbles.

The Saints went into the off-season looking to upgrade that position. Mike McKenzie had a solid season in 2006, but Fred Thomas, who started on the other side, gave up several big pass plays in the regular season and playoffs.

While many thought Thomas would be let go after the season, he took a pay cut to return. The Saints also have Jason Craft under contract, but he's mainly served as the nickel back during his stay in New Orleans.

The Colts have already lost its other starting cornerback, Nick Harper, during free agency. If the four-year contract the Saints offered to David is too pricey, they may lose another.

"He had some interest (on the market), but the Saints are a mirror-image football team of the Colts. They're both headed in the right direction," said agent Cary Mark Fabricant. "It's a great situation if he remains a Colt, and it's an even greater situation if he joins the Saints. Now we sit and wait."

DRAFT STRATEGY -- How the Saints look at the draft and how they plan to dive into it will depend on what happens in the days leading up to the two-day event.

The Saints took a step toward nailing down their top need in the off-season when they signed Indianapolis Colts cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet on April 19. The offer sheet includes a four-year contract for the restricted free agent, a 5-foot-8, 180-pounder.

The Colts, however, have a week to match the offer from the Saints and retain the services of David -- a window that takes them up to the eve of the draft. If they decline, they would receive one of the Saints' three picks in the fourth round -- the 126th overall selection.

The offer to David is huge for the Saints, especially if the Colts can't match. The Saints would get a quality cornerback who has made 43 career starts in 48 games, and also started in Super Bowl XLI to pair with veteran Mike McKenzie.

The Saints were in search of a cornerback after Fred Thomas gave up several big plays late in the season and in the playoffs. While Thomas took a pay cut to stay with the team, they wanted to upgrade the position.

If they get David, they could still take a young cornerback with the 27th pick in the first round. Or, they might want to use that selection to add more depth at wide receiver or linebacker.

No matter what, the Saints have an abundance of draft picks to further improve their squad. They have picks in the second and third rounds as well and three choices in the fourth round (unless the Colts decline to match the offer for David). They also have one pick in the fifth and seventh rounds.

They would be more than happy to have some options at the bottom of the first round to possibly add more depth at wide receiver, where Marques Colston and Devery Henderson figure to be the starters this fall.

Linebacker would be another place they might look even though they appear to be settled with Scott Shanle and Scott Fujita as their starters on the outside with Brian Simmons and Mark Simoneau battling it out in the middle.

Another area they might try to add some youth at is defensive line, where their top three players inside are getting up in years.

Team Report: Notes & Quotes

--The Saints continued to work on upgrading their defense last week with the signing of two veteran linebackers.

They signed former Louisiana State star Trev Faulk, who played with the St. Louis Rams from 2003-05, and Troy Evans, who spent five seasons with the Houston Texans. Both signed two-year deals with the Saints.

Faulk, a 6-foot-3, 254-pounder, played three seasons at LSU before declaring for the NFL draft after his junior season. He spent time on the Arizona Cardinals practice squad before being signed by the Rams. Faulk was released by the Rams last July when he failed his physical because of a back injury after playing in 29 games with seven starts.

Faulk will try to earn a roster spot with the Saints and add some depth at linebacker as will Evans, who has been primarily a special teams standout for the Texans.

--Saints owner Tom Benson and his wife, Gayle, recently announced plans to help the University of Incarnate Word in San Antonio launch an NCAA Division II football program.

The Bensons, who have a home in San Antonio, will help fund the building of a football stadium on the UIW campus. It will continue a relationship Tom Benson has had with the school for more than 25 years.

"We have an exciting year ahead in football, and to announce the beginning of this new program at the University of Incarnate Word is the start," said the Saints owner, who established the Tom Benson Chair of Banking and Finance at UIW in 1985.

"Education is one of the most important elements of a young person's life," he added. "Throughout my years here and in New Orleans, my family and I have been committed to the betterment and advancement in the field of education."

--The Saints organization received a special "JB Award" for community dedication during the annual NFL Players Association and Players Inc. banquet held April 12.

Linebacker Scott Fujita, running back Deuce McAllister and wide receiver/kick returner Michael Lewis were on hand to receive the award on behalf of the organization.

The Community Dedication Award is one of five special awards handed out by CBS sportscaster James Brown, who annually honors 10 NFL players for their commitment to achieve excellence off the field by building better communities and stronger families.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "Jason was a good piece for (the Saints), someone who was needed." -- Agent Cary Mark Fabricant on the Saints' signing restricted free agent cornerback Jason David.

diabsoule
04-24-2007, 07:44 PM
I'm hoping the Colts don't match the offer.

Auron
04-24-2007, 09:12 PM
Drew Brees article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2848316). He talks about rehabbing his elbow, his busy off-season schedule, and some of the new Saints acquisitions.

METAIRIE, La. -- How's this for an offseason?

Drew Brees played in the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, rode in a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans, went on vacations with his wife to Costa Rica and Europe, flew with the Blue Angels in southern California and visited troops in the Middle East.

Mixed in were visits to renowned sports medicine surgeon Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., because of an elbow injury during the pro bowl, subsequent rehabilitation sessions and even a few rounds of golf when he started to feel better.

Brees squeezed it all into a little more than two months, and on Tuesday was back in Saints workout gear at the team's training headquarters, getting in shape for minicamp in June, followed by training camp in late July at Millsaps College in Jackson, Miss.

Brees said he now expects to remain in New Orleans straight through until the Saints pack up for Jackson, and if any fans run into him around town, one thing he does not want them to do is hold doors open for him out of sympathy for his injured elbow.

"No, shoot, I need that work. That's extra rehab," Brees said.

In part because he throws with his right hand, Brees said his injured left elbow was in good enough shape two or three weeks ago for him to play football.

"It's where I want it to be right now," Brees said. "I'm able to do everything in the weight room and with our conditioning program. So I'm good."

Brees said he had no regrets about playing in the Pro Bowl and would be inclined to go back, despite the injury.

"It's a shame that happened, just because I think it did raise a lot of those questions" about whether players should skip it, Brees said. "Being chosen to the Pro Bowl is a tremendous honor. ... Playing in that game is a tremendous honor. As long as I'm invited to play in that game I'm going to play in it. I think that was just a freak deal, and why it happened? I don't know. ... I guess I understand when guys, if they get invited to the Pro Bowl, and they're in a contract year or their contract's being negotiated in February or March, I understand why a guy might not play. Because it might be an unnecessary risk. If something happens to them, they really would lose a lot."

Now in the second year of a six-year contract he signed with New Orleans, Brees counted his weeklong trip to meet with troops in Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates as one of the highlights of his time off, even though he was disappointed that an excursion to Baghdad was called off because of an escalation in violence while he was there a few weeks ago.

"I mean, hey, if you go all that way, it might be your only opportunity," Brees said. "I'm not trying to be stupid or anything. I understood that, hey, if it's not safe, it's not safe. But you know, you're that close. You kind of want to see it all, especially if you're as big a fan of the military as I am. ... You want to be as much a part of it as you can without actually taking the live rounds flying by your head."

Brees went with former Chargers teammate Donnie Edwards, who now plays for Kansas City. They had planned to go together when they were still with San Diego in 2005, but Brees' shoulder injury late that season delayed it.

"It was amazing to see these guys and obviously the amount of discipline it takes to do what they do and the amount of commitment," Brees said. "And it was pretty neat because there were a lot of Louisiana and Mississippi, Gulf Coast guys over there. A lot of Saints fans, which was nice. They were all excited obviously about the season and ... asking me about the draft and all that stuff. So that was cool. I'd do it again in a heartbeat."

Brees was awe-struck by his flight with the Blue Angels, but that experience also made it harder for him to learn the news of the flying team's accident that killed one of the pilots, Lt. Cmdr. Kevin J. Davis, last weekend. Brees had not flown with Davis, but had met him and the rest of the squadron.

"For something like that to happen, my heart goes out to him and the whole team and the family," Brees said. "You wonder how they go on after something like that. They're professionals, and obviously, when you're in the military, unfortunately, that stuff happens and you try to move on."

Now Brees is trying to get back to football and to build on the most successful Saints season in franchise history.

He will have to do it this year without receiver Joe Horn, who has signed with the South Division rival Atlanta Falcons, a move that might intensify the twice-a-season matchup even more.

"It's going to juice it up all right," Brees said. "It's always tough to lose a guy like that. Joe's been the face of this team, heart and soul, always the outspoken one. When I look back on my year with Joe, obviously last year being such a special year, but he was one of the main reasons why it was so special because he's a great teammate. He just brings so much fire and passion to the game, into the locker room and everything else. You can't replace a guy like that. ... This is just part of the business. I think we all understand that. Joe's getting a great opportunity to go to Atlanta and I'm happy for him."

Brees said overall he was happy with the players the Saints were able to retain from last season and with some key additions they made during free agency, including veteran receiver David Patten, who won three Super Bowls with New England, and tight end Eric Johnson, who led San Francisco in receptions three seasons ago.

"I love the guys we have. Eric is going to add another element to that as well," Brees said. "He's a great pass-catcher. I had a chance to throw with him a little bit last week. You can tell, he's just very natural with route-running and catching the ball. I think that's going to help us a lot."

TigerBait45
04-25-2007, 11:16 PM
Do you guys think its safe to assume by now that the Colts aren't keeping Jason David? I would imagine so, but I guess they still have a few days.

Saints Dome Patrol
04-26-2007, 02:50 AM
Right now, I think I speak for all of us, when I say I hope Indianapolis does not match the offer on Jason David.

That been said, there's still one more day to wait and twittle our thumbs and wait... :confused:

Saints Dome Patrol
04-26-2007, 09:38 AM
It's official... as per NFL.com's Adam Schefter's report:

Thursday, April 26
The Indianapolis Colts opted not to match the four-year, $15.7 million offer sheet that restricted free-agent cornerback Jason David signed last week with the New Orleans Saints. The Saints now get David and the Colts get one of New Orleans' three fourth-round picks.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Who's excited? This guy! :D

Saints67
04-26-2007, 07:35 PM
ummmmmmmmm......



'AP reports Colts officials spent the last three days wrestling with what might be their most important decision of the offseason. They're still not saying anything. On Thursday, team president Bill Polian used his predraft news conference to contradict several media reports that the Colts would not match New Orleans' four-year offer sheet to CB Jason David, letting him leave the Super Bowl champions. "That's wrong because I have not opted yet, at least Tony (Dungy) and I haven't," Polian said. "We're still working through some issues and we don't have to do anything. Right now, we're still working through the last little details." David's agent, Cary Fabrikant, said the Colts had not informed him of their intentions.'

http://ffmastermind.com/quickbits.php

Auron
04-26-2007, 10:14 PM
Apparently we released Punter Mitch Berger, according to NFL Network. Will work on getting a link.

No surprise here, after the Mare acquisition we have our kickoff guy. It's time for Weatherford to take over, he's younger and will only get better with more experience. The only major thing he needs to work on really is pinning opponents inside the 10.

Flyboy
04-26-2007, 10:16 PM
ummmmmmmmm......



'AP reports Colts officials spent the last three days wrestling with what might be their most important decision of the offseason. They're still not saying anything. On Thursday, team president Bill Polian used his predraft news conference to contradict several media reports that the Colts would not match New Orleans' four-year offer sheet to CB Jason David, letting him leave the Super Bowl champions. "That's wrong because I have not opted yet, at least Tony (Dungy) and I haven't," Polian said. "We're still working through some issues and we don't have to do anything. Right now, we're still working through the last little details." David's agent, Cary Fabrikant, said the Colts had not informed him of their intentions.'

http://ffmastermind.com/quickbits.php

:( Well, being that I *think* the deadline is today... I don't think they have much time.

TigerBait45
04-26-2007, 10:16 PM
He looked like he had a pretty big leg last year. Hopefully he turns out to be pretty solid.

Deadline for Jason Davis is Friday..so..tomorrow-ish.

Flyboy
04-26-2007, 10:17 PM
Are you sure?

Under the terms of the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Colts have seven days (until Thursday, April 26) to match the terms and conditions of the Saints' offer. If Indianapolis elects not to match New Orleans' offer, they would receive the Saints' fourth-round draft choice (#126 overall) as compensation.

TigerBait45
04-26-2007, 10:22 PM
Hm. I know I heard Friday, haha.

Maybe its midnight tonight? I dunno. I probably heard it wrong. I've been stressed out beyond all belief this week with finals and all that junk starting.