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NYGIANTSFAN_UK
05-09-2007, 01:23 PM
If Houston get the 1st overall pick next year whats the chance they make history and pick a Safety?

Homicide
05-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Kinda good possibly.

Acreboy
05-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Any safety's worthy of the #1 overall pick?

Hunter S. Thompson
05-09-2007, 01:26 PM
No, they would trade down and then pick a safety.

moc182
05-09-2007, 01:29 PM
If it's ever going to happen it'll be this year. Phillips is probably going to be considered the best player in the class when position importance isn't taken in to account, and with the lack of an absolute stud QB it makes it a bit more liley. I would still only give it like a 5% chance though.

-black
05-09-2007, 01:29 PM
they would trade down....at least a spot or 2. S's are now starting to change the game and athletic do it all, CB/S/LB type S's are very valuable. But not even Kenny Phillips would warrant the top overall pick. Maybe a S thats 6'3 220 and runs a 4.29 or something could warrant that pick. One thats won the thorp and has dominated college as an All American. If Arrington could be the 2nd overall pick, then I think its possible for a S with freakish measurables and production to go in the top 3....just really hesitant to ever say one would go number 1 overall

tEk
05-09-2007, 01:31 PM
i can never tell what the texans are going to do. first they get rid of david carr and bring in matt schaub? it's the same thing to me. apples and oranges ya know.

Paul
05-09-2007, 01:33 PM
i can never tell what the texans are going to do. first they get rid of david carr and bring in matt schaub? it's the same thing to me. apples and oranges ya know.

What?.....

Addict
05-09-2007, 01:34 PM
In a league where a kicker went Mid-First a bunch of years ago, anything's possible.

P-L
05-09-2007, 01:41 PM
The team still needs a stud OT and a franchise RB. I couldn't see them picking Phillips over guys like Darren McFadden, Jake Long, and Sam Baker.

tEk
05-09-2007, 01:44 PM
What?.....what i am saying that carr and shcaub are not going to perform any differently with that terrible o-line.

DI
05-09-2007, 01:47 PM
I really don't care for this 'you can't take a safety #1 in the draft' crap. If that player, this year being Kenny Philips, is a no doubt, consnsus Top 5 Player in the Draft and your picking #1 and safety is your biggest need, you go out there and take him, no questions asked because more and more often now, teams are looking to take BPA instead of need, no matter where they draft. So, could it happen? Absolutely. Will it happen? As of right now, too far away to tell but it definitely could if things broke that way but the way things have gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Texans take Campbell and just build a filthy D-Line. The Texans would be to Defensive Linemen like the Lions are to Wide Receivers.

Shiver
05-09-2007, 01:59 PM
Houston will be 8-8, so this is a non-issue.

PalmerToCJ
05-09-2007, 02:02 PM
I really don't see anyone spending a 1st overall on a saftey.

Entirely too much money for a position that is relatively cheap. That'd be a definete trade back situation.

P-L
05-09-2007, 02:10 PM
I really don't care for this 'you can't take a safety #1 in the draft' crap. If that player, this year being Kenny Philips, is a no doubt, consnsus Top 5 Player in the Draft and your picking #1 and safety is your biggest need, you go out there and take him, no questions asked because more and more often now, teams are looking to take BPA instead of need, no matter where they draft. So, could it happen? Absolutely. Will it happen? As of right now, too far away to tell but it definitely could if things broke that way but the way things have gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Texans take Campbell and just build a filthy D-Line. The Texans would be to Defensive Linemen like the Lions are to Wide Receivers.

You'd be willing to give a safety a contract of approximately, 6 years for $60-$65 million with $30-$35 of that guaranteed? The reason people say you can't draft certain positions high is because it doesn't make sense to invest that much money in one of the "less important" positions. That is why you rarely ever see positions like S or TE drafted in the top 5 picks. Sure, it is risky to invest that type of money into any position, but it is easier to justify giving a QB, LT, or DL that type of money than it is to a S. You also have to look at the money relative to what other guys at that position are making. If you were to give a QB the type of money it would require it would place them in the 5-10 range of highest paid QB. If you gave a S that type of money it blows Ed Reed's (the current highest paid S) contract out of the water. Most teams aren't willing to make an unproven rookie the highest paid player at his position.

Sportsfan486
05-09-2007, 02:14 PM
I really don't see anyone spending a 1st overall on a saftey.

Entirely too much money for a position that is relatively cheap. That'd be a definete trade back situation.

Yeah..

I love the position as much as anyone (I played it and WR) but it's just not impact enough to use that pick or money on.

Iamcanadian
05-09-2007, 03:07 PM
You'd be willing to give a safety a contract of approximately, 6 years for $60-$65 million with $30-$35 of that guaranteed? The reason people say you can't draft certain positions high is because it doesn't make sense to invest that much money in one of the "less important" positions. That is why you rarely ever see positions like S or TE drafted in the top 5 picks. Sure, it is risky to invest that type of money into any position, but it is easier to justify giving a QB, LT, or DL that type of money than it is to a S. You also have to look at the money relative to what other guys at that position are making. If you were to give a QB the type of money it would require it would place them in the 5-10 range of highest paid QB. If you gave a S that type of money it blows Ed Reed's (the current highest paid S) contract out of the water. Most teams aren't willing to make an unproven rookie the highest paid player at his position.

Exactly, there is zero chance a Safety will go #1 next year or anytime soon. They don't sell tickets and they don't sell merchandise, hence investing that type of money on one is out of the question.

terribletowel39
05-09-2007, 06:19 PM
what i am saying that carr and shcaub are not going to perform any differently with that terrible o-line.
yea but you said they are the same and then said apples to oranges. you say apples to oranges when two things are nothing alike.

bored of education
05-09-2007, 06:21 PM
I would much rather spend it on a franchise LT or DE maybe DT.

terribletowel39
05-09-2007, 06:24 PM
glenn dorsey, okoye, and williams. they could have the best line in football right there if everyone plays there potential.

tEk
05-09-2007, 06:51 PM
yea but you said they are the same and then said apples to oranges. you say apples to oranges when two things are nothing alike.
welll damn i guess i have always had the term mixed up. haha. changes alot of what people have told me.

:confused:that sucks... sorry for the confusion.

terribletowel39
05-09-2007, 06:53 PM
welll damn i guess i have always had the term mixed up. haha. changes alot of what people have told me.

:confused:that sucks... sorry for the confusion.
it's okay you are from Southern California. we don't expect much from you guys. ;) j/k

nvot9
05-09-2007, 07:06 PM
This is a ridiculous thread.

thebow305
05-09-2007, 07:15 PM
O% Chance. Period.

I love Phillips and he is an Elite Prospect next year. But even if they wanted him and absolutely needed him at number one, they would never choose him there because a Safety would never go that high, and for good reason. They would trade down if they wanted him that badly. You just wouldn't give number one overall money to a safety. It's very unorthodox and just foolish to be completely honest. Only players that are worthy of number one overall money for the most part would be Quarterbacks and Running Backs. There is a premium placed on those positions because they quickly become the face of the franchised and are the positions most likely to get blamed for a franchise's success or failure. Although it has happened where Defensive lineman have gone first. You can see, for the most part, that usually doesn't work out. One of the top offensive prospects will rise this year, whether it be a running back line McFadden or a QB like Brohm or Henne, and they will go number one overall.

The only slight possibility I see of a defensive player going that high would be Calais Campbell. And that is only my opinion because of his freakish size and athleticism, I believe his combine numbers will blow up after the season, matching his dominating numbers during the year as well. He is truly an Elite prospect, much in the mold of a Julius Peppers or a Mario Williams, maybe even better, once again, IMO.

Ho0k Em'
05-09-2007, 08:16 PM
I would much rather spend it on a franchise LT or DE maybe DT.

I would never spend a #1 pick on a DT unless he had Walter Thomas size and crazy production.

bored of education
05-09-2007, 08:18 PM
thats why i said maybe. if red bryant ran a 4.8, had 10 sacks and 30 TFL then i would

asmitty45
05-10-2007, 09:25 AM
I'd say phillips goes top 7 but no way he's #1, Landry was a batter prsopect at S

ruthlessrussian
05-10-2007, 07:00 PM
I would never spend a #1 pick on a DT unless he had Walter Thomas size and crazy production.

For sure you could spend a first overall on a DT. Winning the battle the line of scrimmage is tremendously important winning football games. If you have a DT that owns the line, it completely nuetralizes an entire portion of an opponents offense, inside rushing. Not only that but it frees up linebacksers to do what they do best, get to the football. Now, if that same DT can penetrate gaps and get into the backfield and he can hold down the line of scrimmage, please first overall for sure. DT's, very importent

Flyboy
05-10-2007, 07:08 PM
Houston will be 8-8, so this is a non-issue.

Eh, it's good to see someone have faith in their chances this year.

TheChampIsHere
05-10-2007, 07:16 PM
I dont see it happenning, but if its ever gonna happen, this looks like it would be the year for it to happen. Kenny Phillips is a ridiculous prospect and it doesnt like there is going to be any elite QB in this draft and the best players are gonna be at OT, HB and S of course and those positions are also tough to take at no. 1 overall.

JoeSixPac
05-10-2007, 07:16 PM
glenn dorsey, okoye, and williams. they could have the best line in football right there if everyone plays there potential.

The texans' already have two first round DTs in okoye and Travis Johnson. as a matter of fact, the texans' probly won't pick a d-liner in the next couple years because they have spend they're last 4 first round picks on the d-line.

simms2clayton
05-10-2007, 08:17 PM
Houston would be more likely to deal the #1 overall pick and not get as much value out of it as they should....it would be smart to trade down in the 4-5 range and get Kenny Phillips, pay him less money, and pick up an extra 2nd, 4th, a future pick.

frisby213
05-10-2007, 08:49 PM
Exactly, there is zero chance a Safety will go #1 next year or anytime soon. They don't sell tickets and they don't sell merchandise, hence investing that type of money on one is out of the question.

Uh, Bob Sanders of the Colts probably has more jersey sales than any other defensive player, even Freeney. He's also the most important player in the defense. Similar things could be said of Troy Polamalu, and to a lesser extent, Ed Reed. Those three right there, off the top of my head, are all total fan favorites, and I know so for sure with Sanders, being I a Colts fan and all...

Also, safeties don't impact a game? They aren't worth a #1 pick? Take those 3 players I named off their teams, and their defenses are hurt drastically. Need proof? Colts go from worst D in the league to the best in the playoffs, and a Super Bowl win because of it.

'Nuff said. Safeties can be as big of game breakers as anyone else on that side of the ball.

wogitalia
05-10-2007, 11:22 PM
I love the position as much as anyone (I played it and WR) but it's just not impact enough to use that pick or money on.

I'm not sure thats the case anymore. Safety is becoming more and more important imo. Guys like Sanders can make the Colts look good, while Brown being out made the Bears look pretty darn average. Vikes are pretty solid everywhere but safety and defensively they were horrible. Harrison going down and the Pats defense drops several notches. Ed Reed is the guy who has consistently been there and performed at an exceptional level for the Ravens. Sean Taylor is the Skins defense.

I think safety has elevated itself. You can survive without a top class one, but the elite safeties are changing the game as much as any other position.

Phrost
05-11-2007, 02:29 PM
I wouldn't. A top 5 player is a franchise player. A safety is not that.

Phrost
05-11-2007, 02:30 PM
Sean Taylor is the Skins defense.


Not saying too much...

marks01234
05-15-2007, 05:53 PM
It's not that a safety isn't important. It's just that you can find that type of athlete - a dime a dozen. I remember one former GM saying - You need a safety - just wait and draft a slower CB and put some muscle on him.

Also, it is way to early to project who will have the #1 overall pick. Given the Texans division, I think they post a minimum of 7 wins.

Phrost
05-18-2007, 03:40 PM
Yeah 5% sounds about right.

CC.SD
05-18-2007, 05:17 PM
Never in a million years. If it were the Texans, they could never pass on McFadden. Any other team bad enough to get the number 1 slot would probably need a QB or McFadden.

Severe Punishment
05-19-2007, 02:17 PM
welll damn i guess i have always had the term mixed up. haha. changes alot of what people have told me.

:confused:that sucks... sorry for the confusion.
Next time, you could uses either the term "apples to apples" or "oranges to oranges".

Mixing them up is where the confussion was. Hope this helped.