New York Jets Discussion

[derza222]

I'm most interested in Hakeem Nicks and Patrick Chung of course, but I'd also like to see:

Rashad Jennings
Nate Davis
Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Bernard Scott
Kenny Britt
Quan Cosby
Jaison Williams
Tyson Jackson
Jarron Gilbert
Lee Robinson
James Laurinaitis
D.J. Moore
Louis Delmas
Chip Vaughn

I like the list. A few guys I'd like to add that aren't on this one or mine are Frantz Joseph, Ramses Barden, Andre Brown, Brian Robiskie, and Mike Oher. Did that D-III QB get an invite? Because he's an interesting player as well.

[GET LOOSE]

So I knew about the Derek Anderson rumor but I just heard one about Matt Leinart. I doubt it is real but I would love to get Leinart I have always been high on him.

[derza222]

So I knew about the Derek Anderson rumor but I just heard one about Matt Leinart. I doubt it is real but I would love to get Leinart I have always been high on him.

I'm not so sure about Leinart. His arm especially worries me, I wonder how focused he is on the game, and he just hasn't shown much in his career thus far. I really just hope we stick with the guys on the roster, if we don't at least go for somebody who has some more experience than the guys we already have. Otherwise we're just looking at somebody who had a better reputation coming into the draft.

[jmess15]

I'm not so sure about Leinart. His arm especially worries me, I wonder how focused he is on the game, and he just hasn't shown much in his career thus far. I really just hope we stick with the guys on the roster, if we don't at least go for somebody who has some more experience than the guys we already have. Otherwise we're just looking at somebody who had a better reputation coming into the draft.


He has supposedly "re-dedicated" himself to football, but that being said I don't see him being an ideal fit. Ryan mentioned wanting an "all weather offense" do we think Leinart has the arm strength to play in the meadowlands in January? His arm is stronger than Chad's but i think overall it is only average.

[jmess15]

How bout Kitna being brought in...looks like he is going to be released from the Lions. I know he is a bit of a talker but would come cheaper than Leftwich et al...

[derza222]

How bout Kitna being brought in...looks like he is going to be released from the Lions. I know he is a bit of a talker but would come cheaper than Leftwich et al...

I'd be alright with Kitna on the cheap...he's a pretty cool guy with young QB's and did a nice job helping out Palmer in Cincinnati. Not sure what he'd want to do since obviously we wouldn't guarantee him a starting job but if I'd imagine he'd be alright with a competition which we could certainly provide.

If we do sign a vet, does anybody see any way we draft somebody? Keeping 4 QB's on the roster is tough enough, but if we draft somebody that means cutting one or two of the young guys on the roster now, and I think it's early to give up on any of them to be honest.

[jmess15]

If we do sign a vet, does anybody see any way we draft somebody? Keeping 4 QB's on the roster is tough enough, but if we draft somebody that means cutting one or two of the young guys on the roster now, and I think it's early to give up on any of them to be honest.

Keeping 4 QBs is tough, though they did for a bit last year until Ainge got hurt. I would think if they signed and drafted QBS, then one of the other two would go, hopefully in a trade. I think Clemens has some value unless he bombs in preseason and should at least get us a conditional pick.

Unless they have no confidence in Clemens I do not see them taking a QB high in the draft.

[derza222]

I'd like to think we're not going to draft a QB too early...hopefully they don't give in to pressure if one is on the board. They didn't with Leinart so that's a good sign I guess.

Saw two interesting things. One is that the team is going to make finding out whether or not Clowney is legit a priority this offseason. Wonder if that has any influence in how we address WR. The other was an interview with Bart Scott where he basically made it seem like he's coming here. A little early but it was relatively interesting to read, quite candid in his answers about what he'd bring to the table and almost making it sound like he was already on the team.

[BroadwayJoe10]

I'd like to think we're not going to draft a QB too early...hopefully they don't give in to pressure if one is on the board. They didn't with Leinart so that's a good sign I guess.

Saw two interesting things. One is that the team is going to make finding out whether or not Clowney is legit a priority this offseason. Wonder if that has any influence in how we address WR. The other was an interview with Bart Scott where he basically made it seem like he's coming here. A little early but it was relatively interesting to read, quite candid in his answers about what he'd bring to the table and almost making it sound like he was already on the team.

I think it's not only a smart move, but the common sense move to see what Clowney has. There's no reason to not make everything an open competition, so to speak. See what everyone has, and if you can ball, you'll get a chance to play.

As for Bart Scott, it was a Jet's writer interviewing him, but it's very surprising to see him be so candid with his answers when he is still technically on the Ravens until FA starts.

[BroadwayJoe10]

Here's the interview of Bart Scott that Derza was talkin about, got it over at JN from one of the guys. Quite a good read.

http://nyj.scout.com/2/840362.html?r...40813162&ATT=5



By Craig Thomas
Posted Feb 18, 2009


Q)Could you be a Ray Lewis type leader for the Jets defense?

Scott: I’m a little different from Ray. I have been a vocal leader in college and things like that but I’m one of those guys that lead by example. You’re not going to see me rallying the guys up all the time. That’s his way. That’s how he leads. Ed Reed is, I think, an unquestioned leader on our team as well and he leads in a different way.

Q)So what kind of leader are you?

Scott: Because of my experience in getting in the league (as an undrafted free agent), I like to push guys from the back. I like to let the young guys see me working hard and really want them to match my tempo by watching me work hard and showing up in mini-camps and seeing me in things like that where I may be the only starter in a mini-camp but I don’t mind doing that because I’m used to working. So guys see me working, coming in, working and practicing.

Q)You really seem to a proponent of practice . . .

Scott: You won’t see me missing practice no matter what. Coach tries to give me a day off and I won’t take it because I feel [if] my guys have to work then I need to work too. I think that’s how guys continue to follow me and a lot of the young guys look up to me, a lot of the middle guys, because they know I’m going to play hurt, I’m going to play injured and like I say, ‘Always get me up to my feet.’

Q)So what can you bring to the Jets?

Scott: I can go to the Jets and I can set a tempo. I have some unique things to my game that’s unique to just Bart Scott that everybody else can’t do. You don’t have to take me out. You can put me over the tight end, it doesn’t matter. You can put me on tight end. You can take me out of the box. You can leave me in the box. Every linebacker can’t say that. Some guys are just pass-defensive linebackers. Some guys are guys who specialize in stopping the run if you want to go back to the Trotters and things like that. You can put me in any situation, I’ll flourish. It doesn’t matter to me.

Q)What is Rex going to bring to the Jets?

Scott: First of all, you’re going to see guys be held accountable. Now the whole team’s accountable. No guy can hide under a rock. We always said you had to have tough skin, you had to have skin like an armadillo because if you let the team down you’re going to have to pay for it. You’re going to have to answer [for] it. A lot of times guys think that guys would have to answer to Ray Lewis. No, we had to answer to each other. And that was instilled, period. And it starts from Rex.

If we’re going to be great it’s going to take all of us. You’re going to watch the film together and if you’re the guy on the film that is letting guys down that’s the loneliest feeling in the world when they say, ‘This big play happened because look at the effort here.’ You can’t coach effort.

Q)So some guys aren't going to make the cut?

Scott: He’ll weed those guys out that are not willing to play 100 percent all the time. So that’s what you can expect. You can expect some hard-nosed [football], knocking guys out, not backing down from anybody, ever.

Q)If you come to the Jets, how quickly can you become a leader?

Scott: I think they’ve got a lot of great guys already. They’ve got some leaders already over there. Kris Jenkins and you’ve got Kerry Rhodes so you’ve already got pieces involved. Now you’ve got to take the young guys under the wing, put him under there and stay on his butt every day.

Q)They do need a weak-side inside linebacker in that defense . . .

Scott: Exactly. I can go in there and I can guarantee all that running coming up the middle, that’ll stop.

[GET LOOSE]

Come to us Bart...COME TO US!!!!. With him next to Harris that would be a nice front 7. And if we get Leonhard then I wouldnt mind going DE in the 1st.

[jmess15]

Come to us Bart...COME TO US!!!!. With him next to Harris that would be a nice front 7. And if we get Leonhard then I wouldnt mind going DE in the 1st.


I agree with Leonhard, I think he will come fairly cheap as well. Scott may cost a bit but he is probably worth it.

[thetedginnshow]

The good thing about LBs is that they really aren't that expensive either. I think we can get Scott for 4-5 mil/year which really isn't THAT bad. I'd love to bring him in. Not as high on Leonhard as everyone else, though.

[derza222]

The good thing about LBs is that they really aren't that expensive either. I think we can get Scott for 4-5 mil/year which really isn't THAT bad. I'd love to bring him in. Not as high on Leonhard as everyone else, though.

I kind of agree on both things. I think Scott brings a nice swagger to the defense, can set the tone for what Rex wants, and fills a big hole. As much as I'd love to draft a guy I don't see somebody who fits the scheme and isn't awful in coverage...I think we're going to have a hard time finding a fit going the draft route.

With Leonhard I think he'd be a nice get on the cheap, but I'd probably rather draft somebody. We may have to trade up a bit or slide back in the first and reach, but I think there are some really, really nice fits for us at safety in this draft.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh and I hope the NY media doesn't follow Scott Wright's lead and try and push for the positions he listed as our actual needs. I pray they're on the WR/S bandwagon (though I sort of assume Rex will do what Rex does).

[derza222]

Oh and I hope the NY media doesn't follow Scott Wright's lead and try and push for the positions he listed as our actual needs. I pray they're on the WR/S bandwagon (though I sort of assume Rex will do what Rex does).

Yeah I was pretty thrown off by what he has listed there. Left a comment but no reply from him...his needs for us kind of went against the logic of what he had for other teams also (had RB at the top for the Bengals because of who they had on the roster, well who do we have at ILB or S?).

[jmess15]

Yeah I was pretty thrown off by what he has listed there. Left a comment but no reply from him...his needs for us kind of went against the logic of what he had for other teams also (had RB at the top for the Bengals because of who they had on the roster, well who do we have at ILB or S?).

I agree, I guess Scott wasn't really listening to use here on the Forums when he put that together. I don't think he was terribly wrong (i am a glass half empty guy) but I think we have other more pressing.

I would also like to say that I think we need OL help too. granted our starters are solid but we have no depth. Perhaps a RT on day one would be well spent. We could groom him for a year or so and have the flexiblity to move Woody inside if an injury occurs.

[derza222]

I agree, I guess Scott wasn't really listening to use here on the Forums when he put that together. I don't think he was terribly wrong (i am a glass half empty guy) but I think we have other more pressing.

I would also like to say that I think we need OL help too. granted our starters are solid but we have no depth. Perhaps a RT on day one would be well spent. We could groom him for a year or so and have the flexiblity to move Woody inside if an injury occurs.

Definitely, on both counts. Not that we don't have needs or question marks at the positions he listed, but we have other considerably more pressing needs in other spots. And at some point I think drafting a RT or a G or both to develop and eventually start would be a very good idea.

[Hurricanes25]

Definitely, on both counts. Not that we don't have needs or question marks at the positions he listed, but we have other considerably more pressing needs in other spots. And at some point I think drafting a RT or a G or both to develop and eventually start would be a very good idea.

Yea I wouldnt be against drafting a RT and then move Woody inside and get rid of Moore. It would also clear up some cap.

[derza222]

Yea I wouldnt be against drafting a RT and then move Woody inside and get rid of Moore. It would also clear up some cap.

I'd rather not get rid of more. Logically it sounds great but our right side was huge in our run game last year and the offensive line was solid. Given it's not broken I'd rather not mess around with it. Now if we have awesome value with a RT somewhere or somebody that could maybe play G I'd give it a whirl but I'd just stick to developing dudes for now.

[GET LOOSE]

I really like Leonhard hes hard working football player and is always around the ball. Pluse as you guys said he will be cheap.

I like Moore so I dont want to get rid of him. But yea we should draft a guy in the 3rd maybe even 2nd if we do things right in FA. Then in a year or 2 we can put him in there.

As for scotts Jets needs I was dissapointed as well but hey as I said if we get Bart and Leonhard and just work on WR next year then those will be the biggest needs

[derza222]

Looks like we sliced Bowens and Kassell, neither shocking, saves us 3 million. Possibly cutting Ellis as well, I know I mentioned it awhile back and it still seems unlikely, but I really wouldn't be shocked. Depends what Ryan thinks he brings to the table in the scheme and what the FO thinks we could do with the extra 4 million or so instead.

[thetedginnshow]

I just want to say I'm glad for you folks because reading what the Jets fans have to say on other forums and the comments they post in the articles on the two big Jets sites makes me want to stab myself.

[jmess15]

Out of curiosity, I wonder if we can come to a consenus here as to what our top 5 needs are, and in order?

I'll take a stab

1. ILB
2. CB
3. QB
4. S
5. WR

I left DE off for now, only because I think we could get by for now. OL depth still bugs mey because I am still gunshy from our OL fiasco of the 2007 season. If Scott and Leonhard come on board we can get # 2 and 4 off of the list and then move OL and DE into the mix. Lets not forget punter too..lol

Is it me or do we have more holes than a typical 9-7 team?

[jmess15]

according to rotoworld

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Jets have decided to release TE Chris Baker.
The Jets would like to re-sign Baker to a cheaper deal, but they weren't going to fork out $9M for his March 5 roster bonus. Baker will test the market before deciding whether to return to the Jets or not. Dustin Keller's emergence in the passing game has made Baker a fantasy afterthought. Source: NFL.com

[thetedginnshow]

I'd go...

1. QB - The guy could be on our roster, but that #1 spot on the depth chart is by far, IMO, the most pressing matter.
2. WR - Regardless of who our QB is he's going to need a WR. I know we're going to emphasize running the ball, but you need someone you can count on when the going gets tough, and that's definitely not Coles and I'm not sure anyone else could step up either.
3. RB - That being said, if we're going to run the ball a lot, we're going to need another RB. I know, two Pro Bowlers, but Leon's obviously not a franchise back and I'd find it hard to believe that T.J. will have a repeat performance. We'll need someone that can take a man's share of the carries.
4. S - I've always been a big proponent of the Safety position since it's what I like to play and to me, one of the most important positions on defense (even if it's not highly regarded). We already have one stud, but Rhodes should be allowed to be that centerfielder. With a guy that can stuff the run, we could be deadly against the rush.
5. ILB - I don't really feel as though the ILB is important in the 3-4, but the LB core is so it'd be best if we could shore it up. If we could find a great coverage linebacker, there wouldn't be a whole lot that could get through our front seven.

That being said, I think how we address the positions in the draft will be a little different. Barring Sanchez dropping to us, I'd believe that in some order our first two picks will go to two of WR, DE (only if we cut Ellis), LB, CB, and S.

EDIT: I should say, however, that Rex said we only have one or two holes on defense, so he sees less than most do there. ILB obviously has to be one, so the other is CB or S.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh and is this true?

http://blog.nj.com/jets/2009/02/jets_clear_more_space_eye_line.html

Are we really that far under the cap? That seems to be crazy, but I guess it'd make sense. I won't get my hopes up yet, though. Hopefully, however, if we do have that much, we don't find it necessary to spend every last dollar.

[Hurricanes25]

Oh and is this true?

http://blog.nj.com/jets/2009/02/jets_clear_more_space_eye_line.html

Are we really that far under the cap? That seems to be crazy, but I guess it'd make sense. I won't get my hopes up yet, though. Hopefully, however, if we do have that much, we don't find it necessary to spend every last dollar.

We got 8 million back when Favre retired so its probably true. If it is true I hope we go after a couple big names free agents.

[GET LOOSE]

I just want to say I'm glad for you folks because reading what the Jets fans have to say on other forums and the comments they post in the articles on the two big Jets sites makes me want to stab myself.

Not sure were but on another site two Jets fans said we should trade up to get Knowshon and then trade for Tjack. Makes me sad to know I share an intrest with these people

[derza222]

according to rotoworld

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Jets have decided to release TE Chris Baker.
The Jets would like to re-sign Baker to a cheaper deal, but they weren't going to fork out $9M for his March 5 roster bonus. Baker will test the market before deciding whether to return to the Jets or not. Dustin Keller's emergence in the passing game has made Baker a fantasy afterthought. Source: NFL.com

Looks like Moore is good night moon as well. Interesting move, obviously both give us a lot more versatility in FA and the draft depending on who we sign and whatnot.

I'm also really glad you guys know a thing or two as well. Reading Hutch's article about our interest in Davis and Freeman, along with potentially Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing to fill our hole at ILB made me want to cry. The icing on the cake was when he broke down Freeman's junior year with the Jayhawks.

[jmess15]

We got 8 million back when Favre retired so its probably true. If it is true I hope we go after a couple big names free agents.

If true, it is amazing how we went from having cap problems last week to being that far under a week later.

[thetedginnshow]

Realizing how far we could be under the cap, we should actually take into consideration Jason Brown. True, he'll come with a big price tag, but he's an absolute stud. That would be a huge coup and at this rate of cuts, we could actually get both him and Scott.

[jmess15]

looks like Moore is a goner....

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/02/jets_to_release_guard_brandon.html

not sure I like it

[thetedginnshow]

Word is we're discussing with Coles's agent in Indy. So... we might be trading him?

[okay123]

is anyone else mad about the cutting of moore? sure, he was going to get a hefty paycheck this year, but he's insanely cheap after that. he's arguably our best run blocker (and we are supposedly going to be a run heavy offense this year which makes it even more puzzling) and is only 28. it'll be tough to replace him with someone as young, as good, and cheaper, so i don't understand why we would do this.

one thing's for sure, we are going to make another splash in free agency this year.

[Crickett]

Two things: Yes, I'm not happy about the release of Brandon Moore. I was in favor of possibly replacing him in 2007, but the Jets offensive line was worlds better in 2008 and I saw no reason to get rid of him. It makes offensive line another need for the New York Jets. The release of Baker and Bubba Franks' free agnecy makes TE a need, but with Keller on the roster, a mid to late round need.

The second thing is, the Jets are going to be 27 million under the cap??? Wtf? Weren't the Jets over the cap limit last week? I didn't have any hopes for a free agent splash this offseason, but now I'm hoping the Jets can pick up some of the free agent Ravens.

I guess the TE comment made it three things. Oh well.

[jmess15]

is anyone else mad about the cutting of moore? sure, he was going to get a hefty paycheck this year, but he's insanely cheap after that. he's arguably our best run blocker (and we are supposedly going to be a run heavy offense this year which makes it even more puzzling) and is only 28. it'll be tough to replace him with someone as young, as good, and cheaper, so i don't understand why we would do this.

one thing's for sure, we are going to make another splash in free agency this year.

Sure am...I believe if it ain't broke don't fix it. I thought his deal needed to be reworked, but I never thought they would cut him.

[derza222]

Not happy with the release of Moore either. We'd better have a damn good idea of what we're going to do and be sure it's going to work, because while in theory it's nice to say we can do a lot of stuff with that seven million having a solid offensive line is key for this team. Why make the change when that's a strength for this team, and what are we going to go after that we need 27 million in cap space as opposed to "just" 20?

Agree with tight end, hopefully we go after a primary blocker who won't drop stuff if it gets thrown that way.

With all this space I'm curious what ends up being addressed in the draft and what gets addressed in FA. Only thing we need that I don't see being addressed in FA is WR, everything else could probably go either way though I'd imagine ILB is going to get taken care of in FA.

[Burger]

WHo ever you draft will be a bust.

[BroadwayJoe10]

WHo ever you draft will be a bust.

I'm fairly certain that you should probably go crawl back from wherever you came from trollboy, before causing any problems.

However, even though I probably shouldn't dignify this, I will. Disregarding the Kyle Bradys of our past and the draft videos you've seen online, in the last 3 years our drafting has been good to very good.

Dbrick - shoulda been pro bowl over jason peters this year
Leon Washington - pro bowl
Darelle Revis - pro bowl
Kerry Rhodes - all pro second team
David Harris - outstanding player
Nick Mangold - pro bowl
Dustin Keller - emerging pass catching TE


...just to name a few. FYI, it's only been 1 year for Gholston, so calling him a bust and the basis for your argument is just foolish.

[bigbluedefense]

DHB would be a nice addition to the Jets.

Just stay away from Kenny Britt :)

[derza222]

DHB would be a nice addition to the Jets.

Just stay away from Kenny Britt :)

I'll take either in a heartbeat. ;)


Looks like we're closing in on re-signing Tony Richardson, that'd be clutch.


Also, what do you guys see us addressing in FA vs. the draft? Basically everything but C, LT, OLB, and one safety spot is in play in some capacity if you take depth needs into account (NT for example). I'd imagine we sign a kicker, re-sign T-Rich, sign a ILB but could draft one for depth also, draft a WR, take a QB early or not at all or sign a vet cheap or not at all, and everything else is really up in the air. I'd lean draft on tight end but maybe not, probably draft an OL at the very least for depth but maybe sign one too, draft DL if we do anything at all there, draft a RB if at all, and I've got no clue what we're doing in the secondary or at corner. What are your thoughts?

[bigbluedefense]

I'll take either in a heartbeat. ;)


Looks like we're closing in on re-signing Tony Richardson, that'd be clutch.


Also, what do you guys see us addressing in FA vs. the draft? Basically everything but C, LT, OLB, and one safety spot is in play in some capacity if you take depth needs into account (NT for example). I'd imagine we sign a kicker, re-sign T-Rich, sign a ILB but could draft one for depth also, draft a WR, take a QB early or not at all or sign a vet cheap or not at all, and everything else is really up in the air. I'd lean draft on tight end but maybe not, probably draft an OL at the very least for depth but maybe sign one too, draft DL if we do anything at all there, draft a RB if at all, and I've got no clue what we're doing in the secondary or at corner. What are your thoughts?

While Id love to nab Gibril Wilson back to the Giants, I don't think we'd pay him as much as our competitors, and I think he'd make an excellent safety for you guys.

Other than that, FA is pretty weak this year. Maybe you go after Michael Boley as an inside backer, or Channing Crowder?

I think the single largest need for the Jets outside of qb is WR though. I see the Jets going after the best available WR in the draft, which will likely be DHB at this point.

I think this is a sick WR class. I love Crabtree, DHB, Nicks, and Britt.

[derza222]

While Id love to nab Gibril Wilson back to the Giants, I don't think we'd pay him as much as our competitors, and I think he'd make an excellent safety for you guys.

Other than that, FA is pretty weak this year. Maybe you go after Michael Boley as an inside backer, or Channing Crowder?

I think the single largest need for the Jets outside of qb is WR though. I see the Jets going after the best available WR in the draft, which will likely be DHB at this point.

I think this is a sick WR class. I love Crabtree, DHB, Nicks, and Britt.

I think the smartest course of action is to take a WR at 17. Odds are we have our choice of DHB, Nicks, and Britt there. No reason to address it in FA, and each of those guys brings a lot of different things to the table, so we should be able to find something we like.

Inside I think we just sign Bart Scott, hopefully we can get him relatively cheap for a few years. Either of the guys you mentioned would be fine with me, Boley is real intriguing because of his coverage ability.

Safety I'd rather not sign Jim Leonhard since we can trade up a bit in the second and get Chung or Delmas either of whom would be a great fit.

Honestly at this point I'm most curious to see who our 5th OL is going to be and where that means DW is going to play on the right side, because there has to be some plan there.

[TimD]

I think the following is what I'm hoping for:

Address ILB, S/CB, and DE in free agency. I think getting a starting inside linebacker (please Bart Scott) and either a safety or corner will really improve our defense. Then if we can add an end to play next to Jenkins, Rex Ryan will have a field day tormenting opposing offenses. We should also look at acquiring a RT or RG to fill the hole left by Moore. Signing 4 free agents at those positions is not out of the question by any means.

For the draft, we should look wide receiver at 17. DHB would be pure money. He brings something new to our receiver corps and can be a true number 1 for our young, raw quarterbacks.

Then in the second round I think we look in 3 different ways, all depending on what happened in FA. Even if we sign a S/CB we still need to get another, but OL and DE may be a bigger need. Best case scenario: we're happy with our OL and DL so we take a S/CB to finish off our defense.

In the mid to late rounds we look at the following positions for depth:
-RB (power back to compliment Jones and Leon)
-TE (like someone said before me, blocker who can catch when asked to)
-OL (to battle with the FA we sign)
-NT (backing up Jenkins to keep him healthy/fresh)
-LB (we cut Kassel and Bowens so we need depth)

This is my dream off season.

[TimD]

I didn't address the QB spot because:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/02/rex-ryan-next-j.html

Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Erik Ainge have a combined five years experience, eight starts and five touchdown passes. But one of the three could emerge to lead the Jets next season.

Clemens is the only one of the three with regular-season experience, having relieved Chad Pennington as starter in 2007. Ryan said retaining offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer could help Clemens mature into a flourishing starter. "It's not like you're taking a rookie and trying to throw him in," he said. "You basically know what you have there."

Ainge, a fifth-round pick last year, will get a chance to win the job, Ryan insisted. But it's Ratliff who might show the most promise. He impressed the Jets with his four-game stint in preseason last year, when he threw four touchdown passes with just one interception and had a 122.6 passer rating.

"If he can do that in the regular season, we can win a lot of games," Ryan said.

Ryan said he does not expect the Jets to sign a veteran quarterback in free agency. "The first thing I would think is to do what?" Ryan said "To be the backup quarterback?"

Instead, Ryan will lean on Schottenheimer and new quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh to tutor one of the young signal callers into the Jets' starter.

"If I can bring in a guy with 16 years NFL experience and, let's just say two Super Bowls, I'd bring that guy in. And that's what I did in hiring Matt Cavanaugh," Ryan said. "We have a veteran quarterback presence right there in Matt Cavanaugh. I'm very comfortable with Matt being the mentor to our quarterbacks."

[thetedginnshow]

Well we just renegotiated Rhodes and Pace's deals to save us another 9 mil. At this rate we'll have a ton of room.

But they said that it might be a foregone conclusion we're signing Leonhard which, at least for me, is disconcerting. If we already basically have a deal in place, it most likely means we're overpaying, and considering how overrated he is, that'd be too bad.

It also seems like we might get into a bidding war with the Dolphins over Scott, which is also kind of bad, unless that's for a lot less than I'm assuming. I'd definitely like Scott though, just for that attitude he's going to bring. It's funny though. Just about every position I'd like to see us address there's at least two guys in the draft that I'd love to have.

[thetedginnshow]

Haha. After seeing this vid I don't have a problem with getting Leonhard. There are at least three Safeties in this draft that would be infinitely better for us though. Hopefully he's on for depth, or we might even do something like we did last year with Pace and Gholston.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetbN5zrg4Y

[Crickett]

I'll take either in a heartbeat. ;)


Looks like we're closing in on re-signing Tony Richardson, that'd be clutch.


Also, what do you guys see us addressing in FA vs. the draft? Basically everything but C, LT, OLB, and one safety spot is in play in some capacity if you take depth needs into account (NT for example). I'd imagine we sign a kicker, re-sign T-Rich, sign a ILB but could draft one for depth also, draft a WR, take a QB early or not at all or sign a vet cheap or not at all, and everything else is really up in the air. I'd lean draft on tight end but maybe not, probably draft an OL at the very least for depth but maybe sign one too, draft DL if we do anything at all there, draft a RB if at all, and I've got no clue what we're doing in the secondary or at corner. What are your thoughts?


I wouldn't be upset if the Jets picked up Chris McCallister, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard to shore up CB, safety and ILB in free agency; looked at WR and OL early in the draft and added depth later in the draft at TE, NT/DE and RB with someone like Rashad Jennings who can be the power runner to Leon's speed or Shonn Greene who I think might be the next pro bowl running back to come out of the fourth round.


Well we just renegotiated Rhodes and Pace's deals to save us another 9 mil. At this rate we'll have a ton of room.

But they said that it might be a foregone conclusion we're signing Leonhard which, at least for me, is disconcerting. If we already basically have a deal in place, it most likely means we're overpaying, and considering how overrated he is, that'd be too bad.

It also seems like we might get into a bidding war with the Dolphins over Scott, which is also kind of bad, unless that's for a lot less than I'm assuming. I'd definitely like Scott though, just for that attitude he's going to bring. It's funny though. Just about every position I'd like to see us address there's at least two guys in the draft that I'd love to have.

Won't that push the Jets cap room up to 36 million??? Who are they looking to get for that much money??? The Jets don't need Ray Lewis and Bart Scott after all.

As for the bidding war with the Dolphins........ Rex Ryan is the Ravens former defensive coordinator.......... and Tony Sparano is not.

[derza222]

I wouldn't be upset if the Jets picked up Chris McCallister, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard to shore up CB, safety and ILB in free agency; looked at WR and OL early in the draft and added depth later in the draft at TE, NT/DE and RB with someone like Rashad Jennings who can be the power runner to Leon's speed or Shonn Greene who I think might be the next pro bowl running back to come out of the fourth round.




Won't that push the Jets cap room up to 36 million??? Who are they looking to get for that much money??? The Jets don't need Ray Lewis and Bart Scott after all.

As for the bidding war with the Dolphins........ Rex Ryan is the Ravens former defensive coordinator.......... and Tony Sparano is not.


First part, I think that's a decent solution to our issues. Leonhard apparently Ryan feels can start, so I guess at this point that has to be good enough. I'd love Scott, and you have to think he'll want to come to us or the Ravens unless it's all about the money. McAllister has the talent to push Lowery and could come cheap due to his major injury concerns, don't think he'll have to be a long-term commitment guy either.

I think the 27 million may have taken into account the renegotiations. Perhaps not, but those have been rumored for awhile. I've got to imagine we want to bring Scott on board, with price taken into account I'd absolutely take him over Lewis. Maybe a more long-term corner deal like a Jabari Greer, or somebody on the OL that we're looking at in FA? I really don't want any splashes bigger than Scott though to be honest, and hope we don't overpay guys.

TTGS, who is the third safety you're thinking of? I guess Delmas and Chung but...unsure after that. Johnson or Vaughn, maybe?

Other thing to taken into account with this cap room is we may want to get some long-term extensions done. In this case, it could be nice to be able to get them done and frontload them a bit while leaving some space for future years. Word is we'd like to get LW and Mangold done this offseason, both of which I'd be very happy with.

[thetedginnshow]

Won't that push the Jets cap room up to 36 million??? Who are they looking to get for that much money??? The Jets don't need Ray Lewis and Bart Scott after all.

As for the bidding war with the Dolphins........ Rex Ryan is the Ravens former defensive coordinator.......... and Tony Sparano is not.

Well, I guess Revis and Keller get bonuses or incentives or something, and that bumps things up a certain amount. But the cap figure hasn't even been set yet, so I think we should just assume that we're somewhere around the mid-20's.

TTGS, who is the third safety you're thinking of? I guess Delmas and Chung but...unsure after that. Johnson or Vaughn, maybe?

Other thing to taken into account with this cap room is we may want to get some long-term extensions done. In this case, it could be nice to be able to get them done and frontload them a bit while leaving some space for future years. Word is we'd like to get LW and Mangold done this offseason, both of which I'd be very happy with.

I'd be very happy with that as well. And yeah, the third was Vaughn. It's funny people keep talking about moving Lowery to S when Ryan was talking about Rhodes in an Ed Reed sort of mold, which means we'd need a run stopper. Leonhard seems like a great "team" guy and appears to give it his all and I'd have no doubt that he'd become a fan favorite, but I'd just rather see a superstar duo back there.

And I guess with the Moore thing they were saying they may plan to move Woody to RG and then possibly put Hunter or Turner at RT. Really though, the way the top Tackle prospects appear to be sliding, if we do happen to bring in Scott and Leonhard, we might just be going OL in the 1st and WR in the 2nd.

[jmess15]

According to the Star Leger before bonuses it leaves them 37 million under the cap? JEESH...from 15 over to 37 under. That said, Moore should have stayed with a reworked deal. If we are not bringing in a QB like Rex said, then that will leave a lot of cash to be spent. If we do not spend it all, i'd like to front load some contracts for a change so there is room in the future.

[derza222]

Well, I guess Revis and Keller get bonuses or incentives or something, and that bumps things up a certain amount. But the cap figure hasn't even been set yet, so I think we should just assume that we're somewhere around the mid-20's.



I'd be very happy with that as well. And yeah, the third was Vaughn. It's funny people keep talking about moving Lowery to S when Ryan was talking about Rhodes in an Ed Reed sort of mold, which means we'd need a run stopper. Leonhard seems like a great "team" guy and appears to give it his all and I'd have no doubt that he'd become a fan favorite, but I'd just rather see a superstar duo back there.

And I guess with the Moore thing they were saying they may plan to move Woody to RG and then possibly put Hunter or Turner at RT. Really though, the way the top Tackle prospects appear to be sliding, if we do happen to bring in Scott and Leonhard, we might just be going OL in the 1st and WR in the 2nd.

Love Vaughn, he'd be a great addition IMO.

An unconventional but pretty sweet first 5 rounds could look like:

1. Mike Oher, RT/G, Ole Miss
2. Andre Brown, RB, NC State
3. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
4. Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest
5. Richard Quinn, TE, North Carolina

Not too shabby if we re-sign Richardson and go with that Baltimore trio, provided Leonhard comes cheap. Focus on depth at ILB, on the DL, and perhaps the OL or the secondary. If that's a little too optimistic you can flip up Wallace and Vaughn a round and stick in Rashad Johnson or Shonn Greene n the fourth. Not sure it'd actually happen with Rex a defensive guy, but those guys make sense despite how unconventional it would be.

[jmess15]

do you have two 4th rounders this year(from Kendall trade)? I cant seem to find the official draft order beyond round 1 anywhere. Unless I am missing a trade, we should have out 4th and the Skins 4th..

[BroadwayJoe10]

do you have two 4th rounders this year(from Kendall trade)? I cant seem to find the official draft order beyond round 1 anywhere. Unless I am missing a trade, we should have out 4th and the Skins 4th..

We get a 4th from the 'skins, but than qe have to give our 4th to the saints I believe for the Vilma trade, but we receive their 3rd. Our 3rd than goes to Green Bay for Favre. So we have a pick in each round, but they all aren't at the #17 spot in each round.

[thetedginnshow]

How come we haven't been talking about Chris Canty? I didn't even know he was a FA. That's a guy we should bring in. We'd get youth and the schematic versatility Ryan desires, plus it'd mean one less signing for the Dolphins.

[josh07039]

3. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
I'm not so sure about him or needing a speedy slot guy at all for that matter. As much as I would love to get one of those shiny new receivers coming off a fast time(especially Tiquan), I just think that the answer may already be on the roster in David Clowney or Chansi Stuckey. Both guys have promise as a slot guy. Mike Wallace or any other guy in the 3-5 range don't seem to be much of an upgrade over the guys we have.

The only receiver I would want is someone that can develop into a #1 or a really good #2 that is more of a deep threat that can line up across from Cotchery. So DHB, Maclin ,Britt, Crabtree(Miracles happen). Still not comfortable with Harvin.So many of his big plays came from out of the backfield and I'm no so sure he can be the same type of weapon in the pros. He may end up being special and make me look really stupid.

[thetedginnshow]

I'm not so sure about him or needing a speedy slot guy at all for that matter. As much as I would love to get one of those shiny new receivers coming off a fast time(especially Tiquan), I just think that the answer may already be on the roster in David Clowney or Chansi Stuckey. Both guys have promise as a slot guy. Mike Wallace or any other guy in the 3-5 range don't seem to be much of an upgrade over the guys we have.

The only receiver I would want is someone that can develop into a #1 or a really good #2 that is more of a deep threat that can line up across from Cotchery. So DHB, Maclin ,Britt, Crabtree(Miracles happen). Still not comfortable with Harvin.So many of his big plays came from out of the backfield and I'm no so sure he can be the same type of weapon in the pros. He may end up being special and make me look really stupid.

Just curious, but what exactly makes Mike Wallace a speedy slot guy and DHB, Maclin, and potentially Harvin a #1 or #2 beyond the hype they've gotten?

[josh07039]

Just curious, but what exactly makes Mike Wallace a speedy slot guy and DHB, Maclin, and potentially Harvin a #1 or #2 beyond the hype they've gotten? Well I haven't watched any of Wallace so I cant speak to him. I have watched DHB and Maclin and they do seem to have the skillset to be a #1. I have said that Maclin still worries me in terms of looking a bit frail, but he is a pretty electric talent.

Also, Wallace's production is nothing special. Granted DHB's production is nothing great either, but his full package of athleticism and some of the stuff i've seen him do during games makes me and many others think he has the potential.

Perhaps if I had seen Wallace I might feel that he could be a number 1. I will admit my ignorance on Wallace and say that I am just going by hype/scouting reports.

[derza222]

We get a 4th from the 'skins, but than qe have to give our 4th to the saints I believe for the Vilma trade, but we receive their 3rd. Our 3rd than goes to Green Bay for Favre. So we have a pick in each round, but they all aren't at the #17 spot in each round.

As far as I understand it, this is the deal, which is why we have just one fourth. Could be wrong but that's what I think we've got.

How come we haven't been talking about Chris Canty? I didn't even know he was a FA. That's a guy we should bring in. We'd get youth and the schematic versatility Ryan desires, plus it'd mean one less signing for the Dolphins.

Didn't really know he was available either. I'm not sure it's a huge need and he probably comes with a hefty pricetag but he's certainly a legit player and would be an upgrade so, provided we don't ignore anything else, I'd have no beef.

Well I haven't watched any of Wallace so I cant speak to him. I have watched DHB and Maclin and they do seem to have the skillset to be a #1. I have said that Maclin still worries me in terms of looking a bit frail, but he is a pretty electric talent.

Also, Wallace's production is nothing special. Granted DHB's production is nothing great either, but his full package of athleticism and some of the stuff i've seen him do during games makes me and many others think he has the potential.

Perhaps if I had seen Wallace I might feel that he could be a number 1. I will admit my ignorance on Wallace and say that I am just going by hype/scouting reports.

Wallace is speedy, not too small, decent hands, and can get deep. Out of all of the wideouts in the round 2/3 range I think he's the best option for us as far as skill set that he'll bring to the table. He played in a tough conference and Miss liked to run the ball as far as I know. I see him being a fringe starter but he's a legit outside wideout and you have to like his potential to become more with his skill set. He looked nice at the Senior Bowl and his yards per catch are incredible. Of anybody to take a flier on if we don't draft a guy in the first, he's my personal favorite given his upside. Generally I'm not in favor of drafting a wideout if we pass in the first, though.


Anybody think there's a chance Malcolm Jenkins slips to us with his slowish forty? Chip Vaughn burned his too, maybe he becomes an option in the third or even the late second, didn't see how he looked in drills.

[josh07039]

Im not gonna quote, but wouldnt a team like the packers, saints, or perhaps the broncos look to take a guy like Jenkins?

[Crickett]

If Antrelle Rolle didn't fall out of the top ten, I don't think Jenkins will fall out of the top 15.

[derza222]

Oh I'm not saying he will fall to us by any stretch, but with the speed questions and the position change questions perhaps he starts to fall. Strange things happen all the time, and Mayock already had him ranked in the mid teens. I'm starting to think we're going to have somebody with a really good value slip down to our pick and have a tough decision to make.

[josh07039]

Oh I'm not saying he will fall to us by any stretch, but with the speed questions and the position change questions perhaps he starts to fall. Strange things happen all the time, and Mayock already had him ranked in the mid teens. I'm starting to think we're going to have somebody with a really good value slip down to our pick and have a tough decision to make.
I definitley believe that because this draft lacks the obvious elite talents, it is probable that a good value will fall. I don't care so much about Jenkins' speed. Because at the very least he will be a great safety. And also, I'm sure plenty of good corner's can't run a 4.5, they make up for it with smarts and toughness.

[derza222]

I definitley believe that because this draft lacks the obvious elite talents, it is probable that a good value will fall. I don't care so much about Jenkins' speed. Because at the very least he will be a great safety. And also, I'm sure plenty of good corner's can't run a 4.5, they make up for it with smarts and toughness.

Right, I think he'd be technically sound enough for us to be decent across from Baby Lockdown, especially with the aggressive scheme. His ball skills are solid and I think he should be fast enough. Worst case we try him at FS and let Mr. Rhodes roam the box a little more and play deep some which I think would be a good fit for him. Although Ryan has said he sees Kerry as a FS I think he'd be better off with a FS type next to him, maybe it's just me though. Don't think he'll have to move to FS for us, though.

[thetedginnshow]

I'd really like for free agency to get underway so we can get a better idea of where we're probably going looking forward.

[jetvilma51]

Mike Nugent has decided to not return with the team and the Star-Ledger was previously incorrect when they said we have 37 million under the cap, it actually is 27 mill

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/02/kicker_mike_nugent_declines_of.html

[jmess15]

Mike Nugent has decided to not return with the team and the Star-Ledger was previously incorrect when they said we have 37 million under the cap, it actually is 27 mill

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/02/kicker_mike_nugent_declines_of.html

while I was for the drafting of Nugent I never thought he reached the expectations of that hihg a pick. I was happy with Feely last year and hope we keep him.

[derza222]

I'd really like for free agency to get underway so we can get a better idea of where we're probably going looking forward.

Agreed. It's hard to tell with a bunch of positions possibly going either way.

Hope those rumors of Scott being close to re-signing with the Ravens are premature/BS.

Also not shocked on Nuge, I agree he never was the kicker we drafted him to be. What an awful draft, plus the Doug Jolley trade. Gross. Could've had Heath Miller instead...not that I'm unhappy with Keller.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh and I forgot about Stacy Andrews. Tannenbaum has been high on him for a couple years now, so I wouldn't be surprised if we still were. He's coming off a big time knee surgery though and I don't know how many OL come back fine from that. But, he might come on the cheap.

[derza222]

Oh and I forgot about Stacy Andrews. Tannenbaum has been high on him for a couple years now, so I wouldn't be surprised if we still were. He's coming off a big time knee surgery though and I don't know how many OL come back fine from that. But, he might come on the cheap.

True story. He's got that swing ability at RT and RG. Think the Bengals are going to let him walk, and he's obviously quite talented. If he comes on the cheap I think we could go after him with a Hunter/Turner possibility if he gets hurt on the outside. Only concern I would have besides the injuries is he was pretty bad this past year, he may need to play on the inside which leaves Woody on the outside. If he gets hurt then we probably shuffle Woody in where I think we'd rather have him in the first place...intriguing guy though.

[Crickett]

Agreed. It's hard to tell with a bunch of positions possibly going either way.

Hope those rumors of Scott being close to re-signing with the Ravens are premature/BS.

Also not shocked on Nuge, I agree he never was the kicker we drafted him to be. What an awful draft, plus the Doug Jolley trade. Gross. Could've had Heath Miller instead...not that I'm unhappy with Keller.


But he had a sports hernia. [/sarcasm]

Sorry, this bring back bad memories as I really wanted the Jets to draft Heath Miller, hated the trade and hated the Nugent pick even more when so many Jets fans I talked to were in favor of it. The promise of a kicker who was automatic from 50+ never materialized.

[derza222]

But he had a sports hernia. [/sarcasm]

Sorry, this bring back bad memories as I really wanted the Jets to draft Heath Miller, hated the trade and hated the Nugent pick even more when so many Jets fans I talked to were in favor of it. The promise of a kicker who was automatic from 50+ never materialized.

Such an awful draft. Usually I can make myself believe we made an alright move and find some sort of positive, and while I was somewhat able to do that I knew that we ****** up big time.

[josh07039]

Such an awful draft. Usually I can make myself believe we made an alright move and find some sort of positive, and while I was somewhat able to do that I knew that we ****** up big time.Exactly. At the time I remember a lot of Jets fans saying how a good kicker was the only reason the Jets failed in the playoffs and even if it seemed like Nugent was drafted too high, we needed him.


Worst draft ever.

[thenewfeature06]

Espn 2 said Coles is being released

[thetedginnshow]

I hate Coles. Now I love everyone on our team. Hooray. And now we should most likely definitively get our wish in drafting a WR in the first round. Unless we plan on signing Housh or Holt... or trading for Boldin...

[GET LOOSE]

I want Boldin and I love Maclin in the draft. Hope we can get one of them

[thetedginnshow]

I really hope he doesn't come back. Hopefully he goes to Miami so him and Chad can sip pina coladas on South Beach.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

I hate Coles. Now I love everyone on our team. Hooray. And now we should most likely definitively get our wish in drafting a WR in the first round. Unless we plan on signing Housh or Holt... or trading for Boldin...

Our wish? I would argue that. Additionally, i don't see how this really helps the situation since now we have to throw a rookie learning the NFL curve into the mix right away. He moves up the rotation, has better CBs on him, and still doesn't have a proven/experienced QB throwing him the ball. Recipe for success.

I hope there is a plan somewhere here. And no, please state it at your wish, not 'our' like all Jets fans are wishing for a WR in the first.

[jmess15]

I really hope he doesn't come back. Hopefully he goes to Miami so him and Chad can sip pina coladas on South Beach.

I always liked Coles and thought he was a tough player. The only problem was that he thought was better than he actually was, and was constantly crying about respect and money. I'm not sad hes gone, but that really makes WR a big need.

[derza222]

Our wish? I would argue that. Additionally, i don't see how this really helps the situation since now we have to throw a rookie learning the NFL curve into the mix right away. He moves up the rotation, has better CBs on him, and still doesn't have a proven/experienced QB throwing him the ball. Recipe for success.

I hope there is a plan somewhere here. And no, please state it at your wish, not 'our' like all Jets fans are wishing for a WR in the first.

I think a lot of Jets fans do want a wideout in the first. What position do you want to take?

Anyways, obviously the position needs to be addressed. I do agree with TGJV though, I wanted to see Coles around for another year to help the wideout we draft adjust. Now we'll probably need a more pro-ready guy, whereas before somebody like Heyward-Bey who would have needed to develop would have been a fine pick. And to be honest, we're going to have difficulty drafting a pro-ready WR at any point no matter who it is.

[thetedginnshow]

Our wish? I would argue that. Additionally, i don't see how this really helps the situation since now we have to throw a rookie learning the NFL curve into the mix right away. He moves up the rotation, has better CBs on him, and still doesn't have a proven/experienced QB throwing him the ball. Recipe for success.

I hope there is a plan somewhere here. And no, please state it at your wish, not 'our' like all Jets fans are wishing for a WR in the first.

Eh. I think the best teacher is experience, and allowing the receiver the chance to be in the starting lineup will give him the best opportunity to develop a rapport with our hopefully franchise quarterback. And, the slot position is entirely different from the FL or SE positions, so I don't think putting him there could have done him much good unless we were going to keep him there. And while he is a veteran, I wouldn't want a guy that has some weight in the locker room trying to sway a rookie receiver with his beliefs if he wasn't 100% behind the team and the FO, which I'm not sure he would be. And I'm sorry, but I hate the fact that he doesn't fight for balls and doesn't fight for extra yards, and I don't particularly want that rubbing off.

I apologize for putting my wishes on you. I kind of used some confusing wording there though, where I was trying to say Jets fans would get their wish of getting a WR, which looks like now it'd happen in the first round, not Jets fans getting their wish of drafting a WR in the first round. Not sure if that makes a difference. If it doesn't though, well, I don't know what games you have been watching.

And somewhat of a side-note, but with this move, don't necessarily count out Cotch really turning it up. I know both Steve Smith and Torry Holt looked much more on the average side when they played second fiddle to Moose and Bruce. Now I'm not necessarily saying he'll blow up into a Pro Bowler, but being that #1 guy can change a thing or two in a guy.

[Crickett]

I hate Coles. Now I love everyone on our team. Hooray. And now we should most likely definitively get our wish in drafting a WR in the first round. Unless we plan on signing Housh or Holt... or trading for Boldin...

I want Boldin and I love Maclin in the draft. Hope we can get one of them

Our wish? I would argue that. Additionally, i don't see how this really helps the situation since now we have to throw a rookie learning the NFL curve into the mix right away. He moves up the rotation, has better CBs on him, and still doesn't have a proven/experienced QB throwing him the ball. Recipe for success.

I hope there is a plan somewhere here. And no, please state it at your wish, not 'our' like all Jets fans are wishing for a WR in the first.


I would say a lot of us on this Jets forum wanted a wide receiver out of the first round. Not everyone, but most of us. Color me puzzled about this. Wasn't Coles' contract largely garunteed after the last renegotiation? If so, how much cap relief does his release really provide? If its under two million, it wasn't worth doing IMO. He at the very least provided the Jets with a decent short term receiving option in 2009.

[thetedginnshow]

Pretty sure this clears it up.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/02/25/update-coles-cap-number-reduced/

[JETS5128]

Just did some research, and I'm pretty sure we haven't released more yet, it was only reported that we were going to release him. This leads me to believe that Coles being cut could be related to keeping moore, seeing as they m were slated to make almost the same amount of money this year

[derza222]

Pretty sure this clears it up.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/02/25/update-coles-cap-number-reduced/

Right. For those that don't feel like linking, the gist of this that I get is that he wanted a long term deal, we didn't want to commit. He understood, and asked to be released to try and find it elsewhere. We said fine, but you need to renegotiate your contract so we don't owe you everything. He agreed, and we'll save like 6 million on the cap this year. We're happy, he's happy, and he has no hard feelings towards us, staying open to the possibility of coming back. It's unlikely, though.

Just did some research, and I'm pretty sure we haven't released more yet, it was only reported that we were going to release him. This leads me to believe that Coles being cut could be related to keeping moore, seeing as they m were slated to make almost the same amount of money this year

Quite possible, wouldn't mind that at all. Thought the release was a little excessive anyways. I think no more LC and the cap going up should be enough room for us.

[Crickett]

One thing I'm worried about is after the Moore/Baker release, the Jets cap number seems to remain the same when they cut or renegotiate people.

Secondly, here are just some random names I'm going to throw out there as short term receiving options that might (I can't say for certain) be obtained for cheap.

Kelly Washington - The Jets have shown some interest and remember back in the day when everyone thought the Jets were going to draft him or Taylor Jacobs prior to the Robertson trade up?
Drew Bennett
Michael Clayton
Ronald Curry
Mike Furrey
Jabar Gaffney
Joey Galloway
Devery Henderson (probably not that cheap)
Ike Hilliard
Darrell Jackson
Bryant Johnson
Dane Looker
Brandon Lloyd
Justin Mckidding
Shaun McDonald
David Patten
Reggie Williams

[thetedginnshow]

Oh man. I love Reggie Williams, but only because he's from Washington. I wouldn't mind if we picked him up though. He'd at the very least give us that big physical presence, and maybe a change of scenery wouldn't hurt.

[derza222]

Oh man. I love Reggie Williams, but only because he's from Washington. I wouldn't mind if we picked him up though. He'd at the very least give us that big physical presence, and maybe a change of scenery wouldn't hurt.

Yeah he'd probably come cheap and who knows what he does with a new team...he clearly has talent. Henderson could be a nice fit but you're right he probably won't come cheap, could want slightly less than Berrian money and there's no way he's worth it. Wouldn't mind Galloway for a year or two to at least challenge our *potential* draft pick for a job and hopefully start ahead of him for a bit.

[Crickett]

Just did some research, and I'm pretty sure we haven't released more yet, it was only reported that we were going to release him. This leads me to believe that Coles being cut could be related to keeping moore, seeing as they m were slated to make almost the same amount of money this year

Glad to hear it. When I heard Moore was getting cut, my first thought was "this is the Jets Gibril Wilson move". If the Coles release prevented Moore from getting released, that leads me to believe the Jets know who they want and they know how much its going to cost to get them.

[derza222]

As another wideout to add to the list, TJB mentioned Nate Washington. He's obviously a good athlete and a deep threat, but his hands are pretty suspect from what I've seen of him. He fits the mold of what we're looking for-to an extent-but I'd rather take my chances with Clowney to be honest. Cheaper option to provide something very similar. If we sign Washington to a big-ish contract and expect the world of him I'd be surprised if we didn't get McCareins-esque play from him.

[derza222]

Saw a rumor somewhere that we're looking at Ray Lewis for 3 years $25 million. Not sure I'd like it, to be honest. Thoughts?

[Crickett]

Saw a rumor somewhere that we're looking at Ray Lewis for 3 years $25 million. Not sure I'd like it, to be honest. Thoughts?

If the Jets can't get Bart Scott, I wouldn't mind Ray Lewis at that contract considering the length of it and the amount of cap room the Jets currently have. I'd hope Leonard and McAlister would be significantly cheaper than that though.

[derza222]

If the Jets can't get Bart Scott, I wouldn't mind Ray Lewis at that contract considering the length of it and the amount of cap room the Jets currently have. I'd hope Leonard and McAlister would be significantly cheaper than that though.

Perhaps...still a lot of cap to give up for an aging guy whose coverage skills aren't great. Given the value of the ILB position I think it's money better spent elsewhere. Seems like a splash signing and I don't really like that...the focus should be on building a good team long-term...anyways. Agree on hoping the other two come cheap.

Saw a suggestion that Chansi Stuckey could be the replacement for Coles in the starting lineup. Not sure I'd be happy with that either to be honest I've always viewed him as more of a slot guy and think he can excel and should remain in that role. Everyone else's thoughts?

[GET LOOSE]

Well Stucky straight up made plays when he got the ball last year. Now im not sure if hes more then just a slot guy but maybe he can step up more this year with more plays designed for him. The phins signed Gibril Wilson so hes out of the picture. But as I stated before I love Leonhard and hope hes in a Jets uni next season

[thetedginnshow]

Finally cut Moore. Not sure what to think of it. I'm going to have to imagine we're making a play for some lineman out there, but it's funny because at just about every position we've cut someone it's been mentioned that there's confidence in a back-up.

[Crickett]

Finally cut Moore. Not sure what to think of it. I'm going to have to imagine we're making a play for some lineman out there, but it's funny because at just about every position we've cut someone it's been mentioned that there's confidence in a back-up.

QB - Kellen Clemens
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Jerricho Cotchery
WR - Chansi Stuckey
WR - David Clowney
TE - Dustin Keller
LT - D'Brickashaw Ferugson
LG - Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
RG - Damien Woody
RT - Wayne Hunter
DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Bryan Thomas
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Cody Spencer
OLB - Calvin Pace
SS - Eric Smith
FS - Kerry Rhodes
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Dwight Lowry


I'm sure the Jets coaching staff has full confidence in this as the starting lineup. :p

[derza222]

QB - Kellen Clemens
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Jerricho Cotchery
WR - Chansi Stuckey
WR - David Clowney
TE - Dustin Keller
LT - D'Brickashaw Ferugson
LG - Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
RG - Damien Woody
RT - Wayne Hunter
DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Bryan Thomas
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Cody Spencer
OLB - Calvin Pace
SS - Eric Smith
FS - Kerry Rhodes
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Dwight Lowry


I'm sure the Jets coaching staff has full confidence in this as the starting lineup. :p

Ugh, there are some craters in there, calling them holes doesn't do the weakness of the position justice.

[thetedginnshow]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/02/moore-has-mixed-feelings-about.html

Just got off the phone with RG Brandon Moore, who shared mixed feelings about his release from the Jets. He's disappointed that the organization didn't feel he was worth his contract, but thankful to them for giving him a chance. Remember, he originally signed as an undrafted defensive lineman out of Illinois in 2003.
The Jets cut him because they didn't want to pay a $7 million roster bonus. I asked Moore if they offered to convert the signing bonus into a roster bonus, a routine restructuring that would've saved oodles of cap room, and he said: "They wanted to lower my money. They wanted me to take less money. For whatever reason, unbeknownst to me, they didn't feel my value was there. It's puzzling to me. I wasn't going to take anything less. I thought what I was getting wasn't unreasonable."
He declined to give the specifics of the Jets' offer, saying he wanted to take the high road.
This is a player who has been saddled with lousy contracts throughout his career, even when he became a starter in 2004. They sweetened his deal - a little - in 2007, but it still was a below-market contract.
"I never had the big signing day, never had the big contract," he said. "I felt I outplayed my contract. For whatever reason, they didn't think I was worthy of it. I know the truth. I know how much I'm worth. The reasons behind it, I don't want to get into. I enjoyed my time there. I'll be forever indebted to the Jets because they gave me a chance."
As I've stated several times, this was a bad move by the Jets. But don't cry for Moore; he's one of the top guards in the free-agent market, and he'll do just fine. Rest assured, he'll get more than $7 million in guarantees.
He still will count as $385,000 in dead money on the Jets' cap, but the team will realize a savings of $7.46 million. It has been speculated that Damien Woody, a former guard, will move to Moore's spot, but I think they'll leave Woody at right tackle. Tackles are harder to find than guards.

Am I the only one not on Moore's side? I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Coles and Baker where they highly over-value themselves, because I really don't think Moore's worth that much. In my mind, just about every move done so far has been as much about promoting team chemistry as it has been about cutting cap, so I'm all for it until I see something negative.

[jetsfan]

I'm surprised that Chris Canty and Igor Olshansky aren't getting more talk. Both of them are young and good fits for a 3-4. Olshansky doesn't offer much in the way of versatility, but he should at least provide some competition. Canty is versatile and is a good up and comer in the league. I would rather sign either of these two than see the Jets go the tyson Jackson route in the first round.

[Crickett]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/02/moore-has-mixed-feelings-about.html



Am I the only one not on Moore's side? I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Coles and Baker where they highly over-value themselves, because I really don't think Moore's worth that much. In my mind, just about every move done so far has been as much about promoting team chemistry as it has been about cutting cap, so I'm all for it until I see something negative.

I don't see the comparison. Unlike Coles and Baker who demanded more money, all Moore wanted was the money in his contract. Not an unreasonable demand, especially coming off of a pretty good season. IIRC, Moore contract was 6 years 23 million. Considering the ridiculous contracts guards have been getting, that doesn't seem unreasonable for a guard of his quality. I don't know why they weren't willing to just renegotiate the deal and why they wanted him to take a pay cut. So the Jets have 7 million more in cap room and a new need to fill. To me, this was the first bad cut the Jets have made.

[thetedginnshow]

I don't see the comparison. Unlike Coles and Baker who demanded more money, all Moore wanted was the money in his contract. Not an unreasonable demand, especially coming off of a pretty good season. IIRC, Moore contract was 6 years 23 million. Considering the ridiculous contracts guards have been getting, that doesn't seem unreasonable for a guard of his quality. I don't know why they weren't willing to just renegotiate the deal and why they wanted him to take a pay cut. So the Jets have 7 million more in cap room and a new need to fill. To me, this was the first bad cut the Jets have made.

Actually reading over the article again, I read it wrong the first time. I thought he said he wanted more money. So I take it back. Still don't particularly care that we're letting him go though. Of course, this leaves the Jets in quite a predicament because if TJ and Leon don't have the same kind of year and the Jets give up more sacks, everyone will act as if it's because Moore is gone.

[Crickett]

Actually reading over the article again, I read it wrong the first time. I thought he said he wanted more money. So I take it back. Still don't particularly care that we're letting him go though. Of course, this leaves the Jets in quite a predicament because if TJ and Leon don't have the same kind of year and the Jets give up more sacks, everyone will act as if it's because Moore is gone.

Well, I'd say it will depend on who they replace Moore with. If the Jets truly feel his replacement is already on the roster, IMO the Jets will give up more sacks and the running game won't be as good and it will be because Moore is gone (and they didn't go and get a suitable replacement).

[gpngc]

Moore was one of the better run-blockers in the league. This is a huge blow. Your offense is shaping up to be very weak next season.

Maybe Super Leon will get 20 touches a game and make up for the less talented OL and shaky QB situation.

[derza222]

Just a few more hours...hoping a Bart Scott deal doesn't get done last minute and we can get him up here for a visit and see what we can do.

[thetedginnshow]

http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2009/02/27/tony-richardson-signs/

Yay. T-Rich back, though we knew it was going to happen.

Looks like our top targets are Scott, Kemorefer (Steelers OG), and Leonhard.

Scott turned down a contract that would give him 7 mil a year, so we'll probably offer 8 a year and it'll be a done deal. Whatever he gets, wherever it is, keep in mind Pace got a 6 year 42 mil contract from us last year, and Scott's a better player.

[Crickett]

http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2009/02/27/tony-richardson-signs/

Yay. T-Rich back, though we knew it was going to happen.

Looks like our top targets are Scott, Kemorefer (Steelers OG), and Leonhard.

The Jets released Moore so they could sign that guy???? :( :( :(

[thetedginnshow]

Bart Scott was just on NFL Live. He seems like a real cool guy. He needs to get on that plane...

[derza222]

Bart Scott was just on NFL Live. He seems like a real cool guy. He needs to get on that plane...

Absolutely, I'd love him here, and he did seem really cool. Not sure what the deal is with Keomendergen but I figured we'd at least look at a right tackle to replace Moore and slide Woody inside. Apparently not...would be slightly frustrating to spend a ton of money on another guard when Moore is solid unless they've caught something we didn't, and I'm skeptical about that (I sound too much like that guy after the Marino pick to take a theory like that seriously). Awesome to get T-Rich re-signed too that was clutch.

[TimD]

The Jets released Moore so they could sign that guy???? :( :( :(

eh Rex Ryan has been planning against him so he knows what he can do.

[derza222]

eh Rex Ryan has been planning against him so he knows what he can do.

He's also very large. Would add some nice beef to our line.

[josh07039]

He's also very large. Would add some nice beef to our line.Im just gonna have faith that Tannenbaum and Ryan know what they're doing. Seemingly it doesn't make sense, but perhaps they know of stuff they can do in free agency that will make up for it.
I don't know about his contract and stuff, but would it make sense as a possibility that he resigns with a new deal?

[derza222]

Im just gonna have faith that Tannenbaum and Ryan know what they're doing. Seemingly it doesn't make sense, but perhaps they know of stuff they can do in free agency that will make up for it.
I don't know about his contract and stuff, but would it make sense as a possibility that he resigns with a new deal?

Moore? We asked him to take less and he said no, to be honest he was on a reasonable contract anyways. Kemoeatu I think will require a contract that's more than Moore would have gotten so unless he's that much of an upgrade or Moore was a locker room issue...

[GET LOOSE]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/02/moore-has-mixed-feelings-about.html



Am I the only one not on Moore's side? I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Coles and Baker where they highly over-value themselves, because I really don't think Moore's worth that much. In my mind, just about every move done so far has been as much about promoting team chemistry as it has been about cutting cap, so I'm all for it until I see something negative.


No you are not the only one. This is a move that I dont agree with at all. He is a pretty good guard and was not getting a lot of money. I would like to see us find someone as good as him for less money. But the move is done and we will have to live with it. I hope we sign Scott or Leonhard by tomorrow.

[josh07039]

Moore? We asked him to take less and he said no, to be honest he was on a reasonable contract anyways. Kemoeatu I think will require a contract that's more than Moore would have gotten so unless he's that much of an upgrade or Moore was a locker room issue...
Thanks, I haven't been able to keep up on news in the sports or the world in general these days. I've had a few essays and exams monopolizing my time.

[thetedginnshow]

Something semi random, but we might bring in Jabari Greer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXhbKah5Q4c&feature=related

[jmess15]

Moore was one of the better run-blockers in the league. This is a huge blow. Your offense is shaping up to be very weak next season.


I think their plan was to never give Moore the 7 mill this year. The only thing is he played much better last year than they thought.

[derza222]

Something semi random, but we might bring in Jabari Greer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXhbKah5Q4c&feature=related

Not surprised, it's a move that could make some sense.

Saw somewhere we have a standing offer of 4M/year for Kemoeotu. Makes me wonder how much better we felt he was than Moore, but at least we're not going to give him one of those disgustingly large guard contracts if we do sign him. Not happy about it, but could be far worse.


We got Bart Scott!!!!!!!!!!! Our LB corps looks pretty solid right now.

[Crickett]

*Crosses starting ILB off of the list of Jets needs.*

They're also saying that the Jets are looking at Corey Ivy. I'm much rather Chris McAlister.

[derza222]

*Crosses starting ILB off of the list of Jets needs.*

They're also saying that the Jets are looking at Corey Ivy. I'm much rather Chris McAlister.

Agreed. Possibly it means there's faith in Lowery? I guess if Ivy comes cheap it's no big deal given we have really awful corner depth and he can play nickel. McAllister is nice though because I could see him at least potentially starting.

[thetedginnshow]

There was some reports that we'd go after Ray Lewis too which seems crazy.

I don't know about McAllister though. I think there's a reason he got cut and I'm assuming he's not even on their radar, considering his age, fading talent, and I'm pretty sure he had attitude issues at least there at the end.

[BroadwayJoe10]

There was some reports that we'd go after Ray Lewis too which seems crazy.

I don't know about McAllister though. I think there's a reason he got cut and I'm assuming he's not even on their radar, considering his age, fading talent, and I'm pretty sure he had attitude issues at least there at the end.

Well, there's probably a few reasons. The Ravens needed all the cap relief they could get in order to try to sign Suggs, Lewis and Scott. McAlister was due something like $8 mill and he's coming off injury at 32 years old.

I'm personally hoping that we get Jabari Greer for a decent contract. He would be an excellent #2 CB opposite Revis.

Sign Chris Kemoteau for $4 mill a year and we addressed ILB, CB and OG this offseason, with plenty of cap space left.

Anyone else have a feeling we are going to do something crazy?? I know some of the money could be used to extend Leon, but we still have a significant amount of money under the cap, even with all these moves.

[Crickett]

There was some reports that we'd go after Ray Lewis too which seems crazy.

I don't know about McAllister though. I think there's a reason he got cut and I'm assuming he's not even on their radar, considering his age, fading talent, and I'm pretty sure he had attitude issues at least there at the end.

Im sure they're not going to get both Lewis and Scott. As for McAlister, I'd like to see the Jets try to sign him because I figure he will be a short term answer at cornerback while Lowry continues to develop. Due to his age and injury history, I am kind of figuring he will be a lower (wont say low) cost signing.

[thetedginnshow]

If we do happen to get Kemo, here's a vid on him on Shaun Rogers.

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=3507

[jmess15]

I think signing Kemo speaks to what Rex said about attitude and toughness. Kemo sure looks intimidating.

['cuse-213]

Scott is waiting for the ravens to match our offer and Kemo is staying with the steelers. Damn.

[thetedginnshow]

Kind of cool about Kemo. I'm sure we can find a good Guard in the draft and now we have even more money to spend!

[GET LOOSE]

Kind of cool about Kemo. I'm sure we can find a good Guard in the draft and now we have even more money to spend!


Way to stsay positive. :D

Im very excited to bring in Scott and hope we bring in Leonhard very soon.
I hear we expect a vist from Ivy as well. Not to high on him but Rex knows more then I do and he will be very cheap

[Crickett]

Way to stsay positive. :D

Im very excited to bring in Scott and hope we bring in Leonhard very soon.
I hear we expect a vist from Ivy as well. Not to high on him but Rex knows more then I do and he will be very cheap

I wasn't a fan of signing Kemo for that kinda cash so Im glad he is back in Pittsburgh. Im still hoping the Jets realize the mistake that was releasing Brandon Moore.

[GET LOOSE]

I wasn't a fan of signing Kemo for that kinda cash so Im glad he is back in Pittsburgh. Im still hoping the Jets realize the mistake that was releasing Brandon Moore.

Yea I want Moore back I dont know what we were thinking.

[derza222]

Not too bummed about missing out on Kemo, but wtf is going on with Scott here? This thing is dragging out way longer than it needs to be. Remember the Antoine Winfield fiasco? At this point I wonder if we actually end up with him.

[Crickett]

Not too bummed about missing out on Kemo, but wtf is going on with Scott here? This thing is dragging out way longer than it needs to be. Remember the Antoine Winfield fiasco? At this point I wonder if we actually end up with him.

Agreeing in principle and then going to another team and saying "will you offer the same or more?" isn't really agreeing in principle at all. :(

[derza222]

Agreeing in principle and then going to another team and saying "will you offer the same or more?" isn't really agreeing in principle at all. :(

Just frustrating, he would be such a huge add to our team and everybody's reporting he's on board but then he backs out last second...

[thetedginnshow]

Something funny, but Reggie Williams was just caught with pot, so that's probably a no go. lol

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

As for Bart Scott, he wants the Ravens to assure him that he will be the leader of our defense, as well as higher pay from the Ravens in order for him to return. The Ravens have 2 choices, overpay him, bring him back and lose Ray, OR let Bart go to New York, and potentially get Ray Lewis back. However, if WE get Bart, Ray has been rumored to consider retirement or he could go to the Jets. So I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Basiclly

Ravens get Bart, Jets get Ray.
Ravens get Ray, Jets get Bart.

[thetedginnshow]

Hopefully Ray goes to the Broncos.

[GET LOOSE]

Glade to see this Scott thing didnt drag out any longer then it already did.

[thetedginnshow]

There was reports of us trying to bring in Lito Sheppard, but I'd be very sad if that happened unless it was for an extremely late pick. Supposedly signed Ivy too, but who knows. Bring in Greer!

[GET LOOSE]

I dont want Sheppard I hope thats just a rumor. Signed Ivy already? I dont mind he cant coast much at all. I want Leonhard!!!

[Crickett]

There was reports of us trying to bring in Lito Sheppard, but I'd be very sad if that happened unless it was for an extremely late pick. Supposedly signed Ivy too, but who knows. Bring in Greer!

I dont want Sheppard I hope thats just a rumor. Signed Ivy already? I dont mind he cant coast much at all. I want Leonhard!!!



I just checked and Green is a little less than one year younger. Why so against Lito? I don't see any mention of this on Lito's kffl profile, so I'm sure its just a rumor. But what would be so bad about bringing him in? :confused:

[GET LOOSE]

Lito would probaly coast a 2nd or 3rd. Ill pass unless its a 4th or 5th then I would take him

[Crickett]

Lito would probaly coast a 2nd or 3rd. Ill pass unless its a 4th or 5th then I would take him

I'd be okay with a third at most. Mostly because the last time the Jets actually drafted someone worthwhile in the third round, it was Kareem McKenzie in 2001.

[thetedginnshow]

I just don't really like giving up draft picks. But in any case, I believe Lito is coming in for an interview/check-up tomorrow.

[thetedginnshow]

Supposedly it's for a 4th round pick. I'd be all for that, except for the fact that I'd like us to keep our 4th rounders. Haha.

[GET LOOSE]

I would not mind giving up a 4th for Lito. Thats pretty reasonable

[Crickett]

QB - Kellen Clemens
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Jerricho Cotchery
WR - Chansi Stuckey
WR - David Clowney
TE - Dustin Keller
LT - D'Brickashaw Ferugson
LG - Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
RG - Damien Woody
RT - Wayne Hunter
DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Bryan Thomas
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Cody Spencer
OLB - Calvin Pace
SS - Eric Smith
FS - Kerry Rhodes
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Dwight Lowry


I'm sure the Jets coaching staff has full confidence in this as the starting lineup. :p

Assuming the Jets do add Lito and Leonhard, suddenly......

QB - Kellen Clemens
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Jerricho Cotchery
WR - Chansi Stuckey
WR - David Clowney
TE - Dustin Keller
LT - D'Brickashaw Ferugson
LG - Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
RG - Damien Woody
RT - Wayne Hunter
DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Bryan Thomas
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Bart Scott
OLB - Calvin Pace
SS - Jim Leonhard
FS - Kerry Rhodes
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Lito Sheppard
NCB - Dwight Lowry

Suddenly the starting lineup is lookin' a bit better. At least on defense. :)

[thetedginnshow]

We re-signed Moore! 4 years 16 mil!!!

[Crickett]

Wow. The Jets only had one real blunder this offseason and they seem to have just undone it. :eek:

[GET LOOSE]

We re-signed Moore! 4 years 16 mil!!!

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!

wow the Jets realized the big mistake nice job.

[BroadwayJoe10]

I'm glad Moore was resigned, although I personally don't feel that it was a mistake to let him go. The $7 million roster bonus and then the likely scenario of him holding out in the following season, made it quite understandable. It seems as though once their Plan A fell through, they handled their business. Glad to see that they aren't too proud to go back to him.

[derza222]

Pretty clutch getting Moore back, Lito for a fourth wouldn't be awful even though it seems those are the only picks we consistently hit on. I'm pretty happy with our offseason thus far, hopefully we keep doing a solid job.

[BroadwayJoe10]

Pretty clutch getting Moore back, Lito for a fourth wouldn't be awful even though it seems those are the only picks we consistently hit on. I'm pretty happy with our offseason thus far, hopefully we keep doing a solid job.

The Jets and Eagles have agreed to a trade that will send a 2009 fifth-round pick and a 2010 conditional pick to the Eagles for CB Lito Sheppard.
The 2010 pick could be anywhere between a second and fourth-round pick, presumably depending on Sheppard's playing time. The price is too big for our tastes, but Sheppard would fill a big void opposite Darrelle Revis. We give the Eagles a lot of credit for holding on to Sheppard last year and getting this excellent value

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=140337&id=755



Not a bad trade. I would imagine that the conditional pick is tied mostly to # of games and of course performance. The only way I really see Lito not being worth his pick is if he gets hurt; when healthy, he is a solid #2 CB.

I think a lot of people on different sites overvalue their draft picks and if we can get a very solid #2 CB for a 5th and a 2nd, than it shouldn't be too upsetting.

[Crickett]

Not a fan of giving up a future second unless its some kind of pro bowl incentive or something. :(

[thetedginnshow]

Yeah, hopefully it's a Pro Bowl appearance or something. But anyways, we've been doing some solid work so far. Not about that draft...

[jmess15]

Yeah, hopefully it's a Pro Bowl appearance or something. But anyways, we've been doing some solid work so far. Not about that draft...

AGREED. So far so good, If we add Leonhard then other than WR and QB (depending on where you stand with that) most of our glaring needs were met.

['cuse-213]

SICK offseason so far. Love it.

[okay123]

i'm really happy about the fa period so far.

scott is a HUGE get and will be a very important piece to our defense, especially since he already knows exactly how ryand and pettine work. harris, scott, and jenkins in the middle = SCARY!

sheppard is meh. giving up a 5th this year is fine, however, the possible escalation to a 2nd next year bothers me. it's apparantly based on playing time, and since i'm assuming lito is gonna be the #2 corner opposite revis, that doesn't bode well. i'm going to expect we give up a 3rd next year as well (which, i mean, is that really bad? when was the last time we drafted a solid contributor in the 3rd?).

looks like we'll also get ivy, who would be another great addition in my opinion because he'll also know exactly what ryan and pettine will be doing. plus, our corner depth would also go from dreadful to incredible. 1. revis 2. sheppard 3. ivy/lowery 4. lowery/ivy.

finally, it looks like we're going to get yet another raven in leonhard. another solid contributor who ryan seems to love.

maybe we'll go after canty/olshansky too? looks like we'll definitely take a WR in the 1st which i am happy about (let's go maclin!).

[Crickett]

i'm really happy about the fa period so far.

scott is a HUGE get and will be a very important piece to our defense, especially since he already knows exactly how ryand and pettine work. harris, scott, and jenkins in the middle = SCARY!

sheppard is meh. giving up a 5th this year is fine, however, the possible escalation to a 2nd next year bothers me. it's apparantly based on playing time, and since i'm assuming lito is gonna be the #2 corner opposite revis, that doesn't bode well. i'm going to expect we give up a 3rd next year as well (which, i mean, is that really bad? when was the last time we drafted a solid contributor in the 3rd?).

looks like we'll also get ivy, who would be another great addition in my opinion because he'll also know exactly what ryan and pettine will be doing. plus, our corner depth would also go from dreadful to incredible. 1. revis 2. sheppard 3. ivy/lowery 4. lowery/ivy.

finally, it looks like we're going to get yet another raven in leonhard. another solid contributor who ryan seems to love.

maybe we'll go after canty/olshansky too? looks like we'll definitely take a WR in the 1st which i am happy about (let's go maclin!).

I'm not thrilled with the idea of the Jets surrendering their 2010 2nd rounder, but otherwise, I'm ecstatic with the Lito Sheppard acquisition. He's a pro bowl corner who was pushed to the back burner when the Eagles signed Asante Samuel. The Jets haven't had a duo of corners even close to this good since 2001 when they had Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman. I feel the Jets need to sign him to a long term deal however.

All the Jets need to do is get Jim Leonhard and sign some low cost depth guys at positions such as RB, WR, TE and DL and then begin focusing on the draft. But who knows. I didn't think they'd get Kris Jenkins last year and I didn't think they'd look at Lito Sheppard this year, so maybe the Jets will continue to provide pleasant surprises.

[derza222]

Absolutely think they'll have to extent Lito, same idea as the Jenkins trade last year really. If this trade works out about 1/4 as well as that one I'll be damn happy with it. Giving up potentially a future second kind of sucks, but to be honest I'll take that over the fourth. Means we have a hole filled as opposed to giving up a pick for basically nothing.

Kind of hope we don't sign Ivy, at this point we may as well get corner depth from the draft in the mid rounds or something. If we do sign him then not for much, but with Revis, Lito, and Lowery whoever we sign is a #4 or pushes Lowery to #4 which I don't want to see.

At this point if we sign Leonhard I wouldn't mind looking at another safety at some point in the draft, but it looks like WR, depth on both lines, maybe ILB or corner depth, tight end of course, and maybe a big back. Should be pretty interesting.

Got to say I'm very happy with all of the moves, but I think the best one may have been admitting the Brandon Moore mistake after Kemo was gone and getting him back on board.

[diabsoule]

You guys are really building up your defense.

I think that's a damn good trade for Lito. I'm sure the 2010 value all depends on # of snaps he takes and whether he reaches the Pro Bowl, ya know, real incentive laden.

[derza222]

You guys are really building up your defense.

I think that's a damn good trade for Lito. I'm sure the 2010 value all depends on # of snaps he takes and whether he reaches the Pro Bowl, ya know, real incentive laden.

Yeah, I think we're all pretty happy about the moves we've made. A safety would be nice and some defensive line depth would be nice and then we should be in decent shape. Tannenbaum's doing pretty well thus far.

The offense, however, is another story. At least our offensive line is staying intact and T-Rich will be back as well.


You guys did a nice job getting Vilma back, and should be in a position to make some more solid moves this offseason. What you guys do with your first will be one of the more interesting things in the draft also, IMO.

[Crickett]

You guys are really building up your defense.



Yep, and the Jets clearly aren't even done yet looking to sign Jim Leonhard and Corey Ivy. I just hope they pay some attention to the offense and add some decent depth at WR, TE and OL.

[thetedginnshow]

Not to put a damper on things, but did you folks know the Pats have four picks before the end of the second round now? That's... saddening.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh actually... hopefully most of those picks will go to Peppers. So that's... uh... a good way at looking at it...

[GET LOOSE]

Not to put a damper on things, but did you folks know the Pats have four picks before the end of the second round now? That's... saddening.

It could have been three 1st rounders so Im glade it was only a 2nd givin up for Cassel.

[jmess15]

It could have been three 1st rounders so Im glade it was only a 2nd givin up for Cassel.

So let me get this straight. Mangini leaves the Pats and Bellichick won't talk to him, Pioli leaves the Pats and Belichick hands him a QB as a going away present. I know Mangini went within the division but Pioli is still in the conference and if he turnes things around there the Chiefs and Pats will be in constant competition.

[jmess15]

Yeah, I think we're all pretty happy about the moves we've made. A safety would be nice and some defensive line depth would be nice and then we should be in decent shape. Tannenbaum's doing pretty well thus far.

The offense, however, is another story. At least our offensive line is staying intact and T-Rich will be back as well.


You guys did a nice job getting Vilma back, and should be in a position to make some more solid moves this offseason. What you guys do with your first will be one of the more interesting things in the draft also, IMO.


ESPN says its for picks in 2010 and 2011

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942420

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So let me get this straight. Mangini leaves the Pats and Bellichick won't talk to him, Pioli leaves the Pats and Belichick hands him a QB as a going away present. I know Mangini went within the division but Pioli is still in the conference and if he turnes things around there the Chiefs and Pats will be in constant competition.

Hey better for us they gave him away for a second then getting a first. And thats all in the past we have REX RYAN!!. Im not to worried about the pats this year for some reason. There D just does not fear me. and BTW I meant two 1st rounders in my previous post.

[jmess15]

The Cowboys got Kitna, I was hoping he'd be the veteran that we would bring in.

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Hope we sign Leonhard quick. He should be arriving in a little while if he hasnt yet.

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http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/jets-extend-lito.html

We extended Lito's contract

[jetsfan]

Still think we should go after canty or olshansky

[thetedginnshow]

Definitely would be interested in Canty.

But it seems like we paid Sheppard quite a bit considering the seasons he's coming off of. I was hoping it'd be in the 5 mil range. Hopefully the draft pick compensation isn't as bad as it sounds.

[GET LOOSE]

If we sign Royal that we be nice to replace Baker with. Although hes does not have the hands Baker has hes a good blocker. Then if we get Leonhard done going after Canty or Olshansky would be a very nice. That would be some offseason.

[Crickett]

If we sign Royal that we be nice to replace Baker with. Although hes does not have the hands Baker has hes a good blocker. Then if we get Leonhard done going after Canty or Olshansky would be a very nice. That would be some offseason.

So long as Royal won't kill the cap, can block and occasionally catch a few passes, I'd be okay with the signing.

[okay123]

Definitely would be interested in Canty.

But it seems like we paid Sheppard quite a bit considering the seasons he's coming off of. I was hoping it'd be in the 5 mil range. Hopefully the draft pick compensation isn't as bad as it sounds.

from what i've heard, he's still only getting 3 mil this year, and since next year is uncapped, it isn't an issue that he'll be getting a raise.

[thetedginnshow]

from what i've heard, he's still only getting 3 mil this year, and since next year is uncapped, it isn't an issue that he'll be getting a raise.

Well I was making note of it just to see that hopefully we're a little better at negotiating than the rest and we don't tend to overpay, but what's more important to me is how the draft pick compensation is worked out.

EDIT: Oh and looking at another deal, the Ravens signed Foxworth for 4 years 28 mil and he's absolutely awful in comparison to Sheppard, so we got a hell of deal. But those draft picks...

[derza222]

Well I was making note of it just to see that hopefully we're a little better at negotiating than the rest and we don't tend to overpay, but what's more important to me is how the draft pick compensation is worked out.

EDIT: Oh and looking at another deal, the Ravens signed Foxworth for 4 years 28 mil and he's absolutely awful in comparison to Sheppard, so we got a hell of deal. But those draft picks...

At least you know you got somebody solid for those picks. Unfortunate to give up two, though. As long it takes a lot to give up the two it's alright.

With the contract Rotoworld says since he's getting some 10 million bonus before the 2010 season he'll probably either be released or renegotiated, so we basically have him on a one year tryout for 3 million. Not bad.

[josh07039]

At least you know you got somebody solid for those picks. Unfortunate to give up two, though. As long it takes a lot to give up the two it's alright.

With the contract Rotoworld says since he's getting some 10 million bonus before the 2010 season he'll probably either be released or renegotiated, so we basically have him on a one year tryout for 3 million. Not bad.
Even though it is two picks, I'm also pretty happy with the deal. Getting an experienced guy that is also on the right side of 30 to fill a need is huge. With the addition of Sheppard, now Lowery moves to nickle and coleman and poteat can play dime. With maybe one cheap addition for depth, the secondary is looking really good and pretty deep.

[derza222]

Even though it is two picks, I'm also pretty happy with the deal. Getting an experienced guy that is also on the right side of 30 to fill a need is huge. With the addition of Sheppard, now Lowery moves to nickle and coleman and poteat can play dime. With maybe one cheap addition for depth, the secondary is looking really good and pretty deep.

Yeah I do like the deal, just would've preferred it was one. Really just being picky there though. He hopefully will be solid in what seemingly equates to a contract year, and solidifies a huge weakness of ours with a vet.

At this point it's looking like WR is our only big need going into the draft and then we can make depth picks elsewhere (TE, DL, OL, big back, ILB...).

Wouldn't mind not addressing SS in free agency and going for it in the draft with a trade up in the second or something, though. Would be especially nice to do if it allows us to get another stud (Canty, though that seems to be a pipe dream since we haven't been associated with him at all) or extend some of our legit guys (#29?).

[thetedginnshow]

Even though it is two picks, I'm also pretty happy with the deal. Getting an experienced guy that is also on the right side of 30 to fill a need is huge. With the addition of Sheppard, now Lowery moves to nickle and coleman and poteat can play dime. With maybe one cheap addition for depth, the secondary is looking really good and pretty deep.

Still looks like we're trying to sign Ivy, so I think he'd be the nickel especially with his versatility. I was actually reading up on him and he seems like he'd be a great get both as a player and as a person.

Also, we should find out about Leonhard today.

And I don't want Canty anymore. Supposedly he's commanding something in the 7-8 mil a year range, and I'm sorry but he's no Bart Scott. It's kind of a crap shoot, but it's very possible for us to find a great 3-4 DE outside of the first round.

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Still looks like we're trying to sign Ivy, so I think he'd be the nickel especially with his versatility. I was actually reading up on him and he seems like he'd be a great get both as a player and as a person.

Also, we should find out about Leonhard today.

And I don't want Canty anymore. Supposedly he's commanding something in the 7-8 mil a year range, and I'm sorry but he's no Bart Scott. It's kind of a crap shoot, but it's very possible for us to find a great 3-4 DE outside of the first round.

Canty just signed with the giants anyway. I cant belive they gave him that much $ when they have so many guys on that line already. I hope Leonhard get signed today and I still wouldnt mind going after Olshansky

[jmess15]

Canty just signed with the giants anyway. I cant belive they gave him that much $ when they have so many guys on that line already. I hope Leonhard get signed today and I still wouldnt mind going after Olshansky

Rotoworld said Leonhard left town....

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Rotoworld said Leonhard left town....

Dam I really want Leonhard. Hope we can get that done. I hear were intrested in Marques Douglas. Another Raven on the radar. He wouldnt be a bad addition to our line. Hope we pull both him and Leonhard in

[derza222]

Leonhard would be a really nice get but he's not a must IMO, there are some very solid answers in the draft.

[Crickett]

Leonhard would be a really nice get but he's not a must IMO, there are some very solid answers in the draft.

He's certainly not a must with William Moore, Patrick Chung and Rashad Johnson there in the second round and possibly Michael Hamlin there in the third. But his signing would allow the Jets to go almost pure BPA post-first round (assuming they draft a WR in the first) which would be nice.

[okay123]

the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

1. we give up a 5th this year.
2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.

[Crickett]

the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

1. we give up a 5th this year.
2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.

I'm hoping the Jets give up that second because like giving a 1st in exchange for Favre, it would mean that Lito played well enough to warrant the 10 million dollar bonus and the 2nd round pick. I'm not holding my breathe for him to play THAT well though.

[jmess15]

Its looking like we are not in the Housh sweepstakes at this point. Considering most of us thought WR was a need before cutting Coles then what does that say now. I was hoping they'd sign Housh and still draft a WR. Does anybody have any other thoughts?

[thetedginnshow]

the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

1. we give up a 5th this year.
2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.

It's a multiple year deal though. We'd have to cut him then re-sign him, which I guess we could do, but that'd be pretty funny.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh and... while my mom would love for us to get Housh (now she could get his jersey), I really wouldn't. He's going to command too much money and we just really don't have a need for an aging receiver.

[Crickett]

Its looking like we are not in the Housh sweepstakes at this point. Considering most of us thought WR was a need before cutting Coles then what does that say now. I was hoping they'd sign Housh and still draft a WR. Does anybody have any other thoughts?

I didn't think the Jets were going to be in the Housh sweepstakes. IIRC, he's the only premiere free agent wide receiver. The Jets had no more chance to get him than they did getting Albert Haynesworth. I think the Jets should draft a wide receiver and add a cheap wide veteran WR out of the list of people I wrote back on page 184.


If the Jets WR corps looked like

#1 Jerricho Cotchery
#2 Jeremy Maclin/DHB
#3 cheap veteran free agent
#4 Chansi Stuckey
#5 Dave Clowney
#6 Brad Smith

on opening day, I'd be okay with that.

[derza222]

He's certainly not a must with William Moore, Patrick Chung and Rashad Johnson there in the second round and possibly Michael Hamlin there in the third. But his signing would allow the Jets to go almost pure BPA post-first round (assuming they draft a WR in the first) which would be nice.

Yeah I agree with that, it would definitely be a nice luxury to go BPA later in the draft and it would certainly make things interesting come draft day. But it's not a necessity to grab him by any stretch. Also like Delmas and Vaughn as fits, better than Moore and Johnson really though if Rex thinks he can get something out of Moore I'll trust him on that one. Still hope we sign him, though.

the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

1. we give up a 5th this year.
2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.

That's really good to know. Not a bad deal by Tannenbaum at all. A lot like the Vilma deal only from the other side, we probably won't be giving up much and like Crickett said if we do give up the 2nd he was clearly worth it and the trade ends up being fantastic. We also seem to have no problem renegotiating with guys we've cut, so while it would be awkward to cut him and then try to re-sign him it could work.

Its looking like we are not in the Housh sweepstakes at this point. Considering most of us thought WR was a need before cutting Coles then what does that say now. I was hoping they'd sign Housh and still draft a WR. Does anybody have any other thoughts?

I love Housh don't get me wrong, but I just don't think he really fits what we need right now. He's an aging elite #2, and we already have a high level #2 in Cotchery on the roster. I don't see him bringing that speed to stretch the field we really need, we could get a lower level free agent and draft a guy and I'd be alright with it or just draft somebody really. Plus he's going to command a ton of money. So basically, I agree with what TTGS and Crickett said (along with what Crickett said about our WR corps, though I would be happy with drafting some guys other than Maclin).

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Well I would hope Stucky is not 4th on opening day. If not that would mean he did not step and show hes worth that 3rd spot. He played well last year and made plays when the ball was thrown to him. If we draft Maclin or DHB I will be confident in our reciving corps.

[thetedginnshow]

I actually am not sure we'd be interested in bringing in another WR. It doesn't seem like there's an absolute ton of interest in people not on the Ravens, and like how Rex feels about the QBs, I kind of think he might feel the same way about the WRs in that with having a veteran position coach there, that'll be enough of a "veteran WR" for them to mimic. Plus, the WR crop is absolutely horrible. The only person they could learn anything from is Engram, but he's dying. And really, if we're ever going to see anything out of Stuckey/Clowney, bringing in a veteran WR isn't going to help that.

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I actually am not sure we'd be interested in bringing in another WR. It doesn't seem like there's an absolute ton of interest in people not on the Ravens, and like how Rex feels about the QBs, I kind of think he might feel the same way about the WRs in that with having a veteran position coach there, that'll be enough of a "veteran WR" for them to mimic. Plus, the WR crop is absolutely horrible. The only person they could learn anything from is Engram, but he's dying. And really, if we're ever going to see anything out of Stuckey/Clowney, bringing in a veteran WR isn't going to help that.

They have been talking a lot about Clowney and how excited they are to give him a chance. As I said I would love to go into opening day with.....

Cotch
Maclin/DHB
Stucky
Clowney

That is a pretty nice WR corps if Stucky and Clowney step up (And ofcourse if Maclin or DHB isnt a bust)

[Crickett]

I actually am not sure we'd be interested in bringing in another WR. It doesn't seem like there's an absolute ton of interest in people not on the Ravens, and like how Rex feels about the QBs, I kind of think he might feel the same way about the WRs in that with having a veteran position coach there, that'll be enough of a "veteran WR" for them to mimic. Plus, the WR crop is absolutely horrible. The only person they could learn anything from is Engram, but he's dying. And really, if we're ever going to see anything out of Stuckey/Clowney, bringing in a veteran WR isn't going to help that.


IMO, bringing in a vet wide receiver isn't so much so Stuckey and Clowney can learn from them, but rather to compete with them to get that slot job. The Jets were supposedly talking to Kelley Washington and i was hoping they would take a flier on him given he has spent his whole career buried on some of the best WR depth charts in recent memory and has something to prove.

[thetedginnshow]

IMO, bringing in a vet wide receiver isn't so much so Stuckey and Clowney can learn from them, but rather to compete with them to get that slot job. The Jets were supposedly talking to Kelley Washington and i was hoping they would take a flier on him given he has spent his whole career buried on some of the best WR depth charts in recent memory and has something to prove.

Oh sorry. I might've been a bit misleading there. I was saying bringing in a vet wouldn't help Clowney/Stuckey as it would detract from their playing time.

Oh and... anyone see Andre Goodman's deal? Pretty similar to Lito's. We got a hell of a deal there.

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Yeah I couldnt belive they gave him that much money. Goodman is not worth 25mil.

[Crickett]

Oh sorry. I might've been a bit misleading there. I was saying bringing in a vet wouldn't help Clowney/Stuckey as it would detract from their playing time.

If it does, it probably should IMO.

[jmess15]

granted, I dont get to see these guys in practice but I would be a little disapointed if all we do to address the WR corps this year is draft a guy on day one. But who knows, maybe we'll take a flyer on a veteran with something to prove. It would be nice however to have a receiver 6'3 or taller one of these years. When you think about it, we haven't had a big, physical, reliable target since Keyshawn.

Plax anyone? (only kidding)

[TimD]

he wouldn't have to move. and he's already familiar with the night club scene in the area. perfect fit for everyone!

[okay123]

i agree with everyone else that it isn't worth it to get housh... too much money and we need a #1, not another #2.

i'm thinking at this point we should trade up to get maclin if he falls to the teens. and since tanny seems to love to trade up to get his guy on draft day, i don't think it's out of the realm of possibility (assuming he likes maclin, or wants to get a top WR). if we don't get maclin, i think we should trade back into the 25ish range to grab nicks.

[Crickett]

i'm thinking at this point we should trade up to get maclin if he falls to the teens. and since tanny seems to love to trade up to get his guy on draft day, i don't think it's out of the realm of possibility (assuming he likes maclin, or wants to get a top WR). if we don't get maclin, i think we should trade back into the 25ish range to grab nicks.

I wouldn't mind a trade up using the Jets third given their recent track record with that round. However, at the moment, the three people I'm hoping the Jets get one of in the first round are Maclin, DHB and Kenny Britt and I'm fairly certain one or two of them will be there at #17. If the Jets don't trade up, I'd probably be happier if the Jets traded up in the second to get the safety their have highest on their board.

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Maclin, DHB, Britt, and Nicks are all guys I really like. At 17 I hope Maclin or DHB are there. If not I would like to trade down to the lower 20s and grab Britt or Nicks.

[Crickett]

Maclin, DHB, Britt, and Nicks are all guys I really like. At 17 I hope Maclin or DHB are there. If not I would like to trade down to the lower 20s and grab Britt or Nicks.

I'd be afraid to trade down for Britt. I look at who's picking and I wonder if Britt would be taken 18th if the Jets traded down.

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I'd be afraid to trade down for Britt. I look at who's picking and I wonder if Britt would be taken 18th if the Jets traded down.

You may be right. I wonder if the bears are high on him. As long as we get 1 of those 4 I think I would be pretty happy.

[okay123]

I'd be afraid to trade down for Britt. I look at who's picking and I wonder if Britt would be taken 18th if the Jets traded down.

i don't think britt will go anywhere higher than mid 20s, so i'm not worried about that and would be willing to trade back and take that small risk. and even if he is taken when we trade back, i would be fine with nicks.

also, regarding DHB, watch out for him being the 1st WR off the board to the raiders now that seattle will most likely not take crabtree because they signed housh. would that be crazy or what (although i know it's not likely)?

[derza222]

i don't think britt will go anywhere higher than mid 20s, so i'm not worried about that and would be willing to trade back and take that small risk. and even if he is taken when we trade back, i would be fine with nicks.

also, regarding DHB, watch out for him being the 1st WR off the board to the raiders now that seattle will most likely not take crabtree because they signed housh. would that be crazy or what (although i know it's not likely)?

I still think Crickett's point on the Bears is pretty good, Britt fits what they need really well. Nicks would probably be a better pick for them, though.

With the Raiders, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Harvin a long look at 7 as an off the wall pick. Seems like the kind of thing Al Davis might do.

[thetedginnshow]

Bart Scott's trying to recruit all the Ravens players (minus Ray Ray). Look at our leader go...

[Crickett]

Bart Scott's trying to recruit all the Ravens players (minus Ray Ray). Look at our leader go...

Good to hear, but I heard Leonhard left town aaaaaaaaand its unlikely that Samari Rolle or Chris McAlister would be willing to accept the nickel role they'd have on the Jets roster. :(

[jmess15]

Good to hear, but I heard Leonhard left town aaaaaaaaand its unlikely that Samari Rolle or Chris McAlister would be willing to accept the nickel role they'd have on the Jets roster. :(

Have we heard anything new on Leonhard? Are there any other FA Safeties that we like? Mike Brown is a FA, and has a bad history with injuries but if healthy he was a heck of a player. He may look to sign a short term deal with incentives to prove himself. If he has anything left he may be a decent gamble.

[josh07039]

I still think Crickett's point on the Bears is pretty good, Britt fits what they need really well. Nicks would probably be a better pick for them, though.

With the Raiders, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Harvin a long look at 7 as an off the wall pick. Seems like the kind of thing Al Davis might do.I think if Britt is on the board at 17 and all the other guys are gone, there is no choice but to take him. A trade down always sounds promising, but you obviously run the risk of losing out on the guy you want. I think Britt makes perfect sense for the bears considering they still have a young qb. With a nice pass catching tight end already in place, it would make perfect sense to have a big wr that has shown that he can adjust to poorly thrown balls in college.

As for Harvin at 7, not very likely. However, the fact that it seems like even an outside possibility to anyone just shows how crazy Al Davis has become. I actually think it is more likely that Al wolud fall in love with DHB and reach for him.

[jetvilma51]

Jets signed Leonhard

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/03/leonhard-signs-with-jets/

[Crickett]

Begin the chant. RE-CEI-VER! RE-CEI-VER! RE-CEI-VER!

[Warpig]

What's the deal on Lowery? First they were high on him now he's riding pine. What's the scoop on Elam and Eric Smith too? Seems like Elam makes plays when he's in the lineup. I'm just trying to figure out the depth chart. Hopefully you Jets fans can enlighten me to the thoughts in New York on those players.

Oh! And what is the feeling on Brett Ratliff? Does he have a legit chance at the starting gig? From what I've seen and heard, he looked great in preseason (yeah...I know...preseason).

[thetedginnshow]

What's the deal on Lowery? First they were high on him now he's riding pine. What's the scoop on Elam and Eric Smith too? Seems like Elam makes plays when he's in the lineup. I'm just trying to figure out the depth chart. Hopefully you Jets fans can enlighten me to the thoughts in New York on those players.

Oh! And what is the feeling on Brett Ratliff? Does he have a legit chance at the starting gig? From what I've seen and heard, he looked great in preseason (yeah...I know...preseason).

Really, I think Ratliff has more of a chance to start than the other two.

Eric Smith is awful and Elam will make a nice back-up. I think Lowery got too hard of a time for being a rookie 4th rounder. I don't see why he can't be the nickel.

I'd like to see how much Jim Leonhard got though. Hopefully he decided to come to the Jets because of the Ryan/Scott influence more so than a fat contract. Saddening that we probably won't be drafting a Safety now, but oh well. Still might happen...

[josh07039]

Rex Ryan is really adding some good talent from his ravens ties. It really shows how much respect players have for him. When he first came over and everyone talked about the possibility of players from the Ravens coming over because of how much players love playing for Ryan, I thought it was overblown, now I really believe that Ryan is a guy that can lead without being too much of a hard ass.

If Ryan can get anything out of Gholston this year, I nominate him for messiah.

[Crickett]

What's the deal on Lowery? First they were high on him now he's riding pine. What's the scoop on Elam and Eric Smith too? Seems like Elam makes plays when he's in the lineup. I'm just trying to figure out the depth chart. Hopefully you Jets fans can enlighten me to the thoughts in New York on those players.

Oh! And what is the feeling on Brett Ratliff? Does he have a legit chance at the starting gig? From what I've seen and heard, he looked great in preseason (yeah...I know...preseason).

Elam is a free agent, Smith like Anthony Schliegal was one of Mangini's wastes of a third round pick and yes, Ratliff probably has a shot to be the starter. Lowry looked very good at times, but could (and was) upgraded over. Give him some time and I think he can be counted on as the answer for #2 starter. JMO though.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh wow. In case it ends up being false I won't say what I saw the terms of the contract might be, but if that's true, then it looks like we might still take a Safety after all...

[derza222]

That's interesting. I can still dig taking a safety, Chip Vaughn could be a fantastic guy to develop some as opposed to more of a play now guy like Chung and Delmas and we wouldn't have to move up for him.

I'm ready for us to bring a wideout into play.

Also think they're just going to give everybody a shot to start at QB and let the best guy play.

Looks like we might not sign Ivy so Lowery would then get a shot to play nickel which I think he absolutely deserves.

[TimD]

Wow our secondary has studs and is really deep. I don't see a weakness. Leonhard and Rhodes are going to dominate back there (with Smith and Elam providing great depth). We all know Revis is the definition of shutdown and with Sheppard on the other side, QBs don't really have any one to pick on. I hope Lowery is given a shot to play nickle with Poteat, Coleman, and maybe a draft pick battling for playing time.

[Crickett]

I'm starting to worry that I'm setting myself up for disappointment in the draft. There was a time I would have been okay with a myriad of different positions in the first round such as a safety or inside linebacker, but as those positions were filled in free agency, suddenly I only want the Jets to draft a wide receiver in the first round.


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[Young Nasty Man]

its about that time I get back involved into the draft countdown....

Jim Leonhard- Great pick up and his value is unbelieveable. I cannot wait to see him in coverage and as stated before, really gives us depth at both safety positions and can now fully allow us to stop the deep pass. Also, allows us to now possibly send Kerry Rhodes in for a blitz like he used to do back in 06 when he was first emerging. Great move and cannot wait to see the little white boy rip sh!t up.

Bart Scott- The "Madbacker" is a perfect signing. Finally allows us to have two intimidating inside Linebackers and we can officially attack LB's with a blitz from both the outside as well as the inside. He is great in coverage and really adds a physical sense to this defense. And finally we have a bunch of criminals on this team rather then the typical "Tanginiables". A little tenacity never hurt and this boy will add that aswell as a pop in the team. I cannot wait to see him and David Harris in the middle. Going to really allow Calvin Pace to do some damage so that he wont have to cover every play and I cannot wait to see LB core go down.

Lito Sheppard- Great addition to the team. Pro-bowler is enough said on why he is a great addition. We all know that him and Sheldon Brown were once one of the scariest cornerback groups in the NFL and then they got Asante. So I cannot wait to see him up against Revis becuase they compliment eachother. Though Lito may give up the big play once in a while, Kerry can pick that up now that he has a safety alongside him. Great speed aswell as play making ability. For what the trade is worth, great value. Yes, a lot of you are complaining about the Conditional Pick, but if he can take this defense to be a top 5 defense in the NFL, ill give up a third or second for it. He is gonna be 28 very soon and still has tread on his tires. I think it was a trade that was well worth it and its going to be a great fit to move Lowery and Poteat to the third and fourth corner backs to make an extremely solid Nickel Defense.

Would love to see my jewish bretherine Igor Olshansky get signed because he is a big mamma jamma and played in the 3-4 in San Diego and I feel is a great fit. Big mean guy that can fill a great need for us and then allows a little more room for Gholston to grow into a situational pass rusher which I still this is in sight. While he didn't see a lot of playing time, he is only going to be 23/24 (not to sure which one), which is incredibly young and I think Rex Ryan is going to make this kid someone to be afraid of. All I can say is F#*K Tangiables, its all about the Rex in your play and ill be ecstatic with 7 sacks from Gholston this season.

Which takes me to the draft....

1. Its going to depend on what happens with Crabtree. If Crabtree falls, I think Maclin will feel the same value. I think if we have to trade up 3 or 4 picks to get Maclin, we should do it. If not I wouldn't mind trading back to draft Hakeem Nicks becuase I strongly believe he is the most NFL ready and may not put up blazing times or strength or anything like that but the boy can do one thing great, and thats play football. I wouldn't mind any of those picks.

2. If Sanchez is within reach, I'd consider trading up. He is the only guy in this draft (besides Stafford) that I would want for a QB. I think Josh Freeman is really big boom/bust potential and I think he is more of an athlete then a QB. While some people aren't so hot on the USC QB's, this guy has great arm strength, gets comfy in the pocket, and has solid touch. I think Stafford i the best QB, but if Sanchez is sitting at 11 or 12, i'd trade up because we gotta go somewhere and I don't feel a lot of people are ready to put all their eggs into the Kellen Clemens basket. Sanchez has played in the limelight and I think he can do it considering its that pro offense so I would strongly consider him if he is there. Also, there is a lot of depth at receiver in this draft I can see us going after Kenny Britt (speedy guy) or possibly trading back up for a guy like Hakeem Nicks, I wouldn't mind either of those moves. But if Sanchez is there, I think we gotta pull the trigger.

[TimD]

Good write up. You nailed everything with FA, and I also agree with you about the draft. I'm pretty much open for anything with the draft as long as a WR is taken with the 1st or 2nd pick. With that other pick I think we could focus on multiple positions and it would be okay.

RD1 -
As much as I would love taking DHB, I can't say I'd be mad with the following 2 players: Tyson Jackson DE or Mark Sanchez QB.

RD 2 -
This all depends on what we do with the first. If we don't take a WR with our first pick, then we have to get one here. I think we should trade up to take Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt. If we do go with a WR in RD 1 then I wouldn't mind any of these guys: Patrick Chung S, Darius Butler CB, William Moore S, Ron Brace NT, Nate Davis QB, or Jarron Gilbert DE.

[thetedginnshow]

Criminals? I think a great quality about Scott is that while he's so ferocious on the field, he's fantastic off it. There's a couple articles about what he does for children and what his high school coach said about him.

[Young Nasty Man]

I wasn't actually referring to Criminals...I mean they are a lot more "Thuggish" and intimidating then Anthony Schlegel and Matt Chatham etc....

Bart Scott is not a criminal at all. He probably had one of the most articulate interviews I've heard in a while..

[derza222]

I'm starting to worry that I'm setting myself up for disappointment in the draft. There was a time I would have been okay with a myriad of different positions in the first round such as a safety or inside linebacker, but as those positions were filled in free agency, suddenly I only want the Jets to draft a wide receiver in the first round.


:(

I'm prepped to be disappointed as well. At least the picks after our first should be pretty fun with no particularly clear needs and lots of guys that could help us out at various positions. Not like I'll be looking for a WR after the first either so everything we do in rounds 2-7 should be interesting to say the least.

[TimD]

Okay that last post made me want to do a Jets Mock. I'm not going to do trades, because they are too hard to predict.

Round 1, Pick 17 - Darrius Heyward-Bey - WR Maryland
Yes, he's raw, but like almost all Jets fans, I would love to get this guy. I think he can develop into a premier number 1, which would leave us with a dangerous offense. DHB, Cotchery, and Keller are 3 great options for whoever is a QB.

Round 2, Pick 49 - Ron Brace - NT Boston College
Scott has him picked 2 picks after us, going to Atlanta, but I think he'd be a great pick for us. Safety, Quarterback, and Defensive End, are also options here, but he could come in and provide great depth behind Jenkins. Our goal line defense could be really scary too. Ellis, Jenkins, and Brace would be difficult to move.

Round 3, Pick 78 - Cody Brown - OLB UCONN
We only have 5 NFL caliber linebackers on our roster right now (Harris, Scott, Pace, Thomas, and Gholston). Even though we have some young, raw talent (Kenwin Cummings, Marques Murrell, Branden Renkart, and Jason Trusnik), we should really try and get a LB. Even if 2 of those young guys are ready, linebacker depth in a 3-4 defense is a must. Brown is your typical size for a 3-4 LB (6-3, 250).

*note: I watch a lot of Big East games, so I may be overrating him a bit, but I would love to see him in green.

Round 3, Pick 81 - Rashad Jennings - RB Liberty
He didn't play against great competition, but he's a physical freak. I think he could be the power back that we need. I haven't seen much of him other than highlights but he looks like he can be a powerful runner for us.

Round 4, A - Darryl Richard - DE Georgia Tech
I'll be the first to admit he doesn't have the height of a 3-4 DE, but I can't find any other negatives about him. Along with Brace, our DL gains valuable size and depth.

Round 4, B - Anthony Hill - TE NC St
I'm not sure if he'll be here, but I do know he's the best blocking TE in the draft. Losing Baker hurts our goal line/short yardage run game, and I think Hill can take his spot. Keller is the anti-blocking TE.

Round 5 - Dominique Jackson - DB Jackson ST.
Our secondary really looks set right now, but depth can't hurt. According to Scott, Jackson has the potential to be a safety or corner, and we all know how much versatility matters in the secondary. He can battle with Poteat and Coleman for CB time or Elam and Smith for S time.

Round 6 - Deon Butler - WR Penn St
I'll be the first to admit, this is a homer pick. I really don't know much about where he may be drafted, but I know Scott has him ranked pretty far down. Butler has got incredible speed, and even though he's small, he's can be a game changer with the ball in his hands. Why not take him and let him battle it out with our other WRs.

Round 7 - Drew Willy - QB Buffalo
Another homer pick, but idk much about 7th round prospects. He's got good size (6-3 220), a cannon for an arm, and a willingness to learn. He improved from nothing to a draft prospect in his 4 years at UB. Plus he grew up 20 min from me. :)

After the first few picks it got really hard, but I think this would be great. We get a future number 1 WR, huge DL depth, a downhill runner, LB depth, a blocking TE, secondary depth, and a QB to develop in the practice squad.

[josh07039]

I'm prepped to be disappointed as well. At least the picks after our first should be pretty fun with no particularly clear needs and lots of guys that could help us out at various positions. Not like I'll be looking for a WR after the first either so everything we do in rounds 2-7 should be interesting to say the least.It should be hard to mess up the 1st round. There is good depth at the top for wr. Clearly one of the top guys is going to be there. As long as we walk away with maclin, DHB, Britt, or Nicks(Im not as sold on him) we will have done what we needed in the first. I think Tannenbaum and Ryan know that wr is the only glaring need the team has.

In my mind, the only possible disappointment from the first could be if Ryan decides that, as a running team, having another weapon in the pass game is unnecessary. Its possible that if he is ready for a real run heavy team, he may see Keller, Cotchery and all the young guys as enough. I strongly doubt this scenario because I can't see a team with this much talent (that isn't the titans) going into the season with such a weak receiving group.

[thetedginnshow]

I don't really like that draft at all save for Donald Brown, but I wouldn't see why he'd fall to the third and I don't think he's that great of a fit anyway (and he isn't a good compliment to Leon).

[TimD]

alright haha constructive criticism is welcomed haha. i kinda went with a different approach (NT in rd 2, and LB in rd 3). I'll probably replace Brown with someone who will be a 3rd rounder.

[josh07039]

I actually kinda like the draft, with or without brown. My two biggests problems that are Cody Brown in round two and a Drew Willy round 7, but otherwise its interesting and pretty solid.

[derza222]

It should be hard to mess up the 1st round. There is good depth at the top for wr. Clearly one of the top guys is going to be there. As long as we walk away with maclin, DHB, Britt, or Nicks(Im not as sold on him) we will have done what we needed in the first. I think Tannenbaum and Ryan know that wr is the only glaring need the team has.

In my mind, the only possible disappointment from the first could be if Ryan decides that, as a running team, having another weapon in the pass game is unnecessary. Its possible that if he is ready for a real run heavy team, he may see Keller, Cotchery and all the young guys as enough. I strongly doubt this scenario because I can't see a team with this much talent (that isn't the titans) going into the season with such a weak receiving group.

Agreed, the "prepped to be disappointed" comment was that I'm preparing myself to not draft a wideout in the first round. If we do, it's all good more or less.

Figured I wouldn't quote that whole mock...I really like the first two picks a lot, basically everybody but Brown. I do question how many picks you've got us having, though. If I'm correct we only have one third (+1 for Vilma, -1 for Favre), one fourth (+1 for Kendall, -1 for Vilma to compensate for the fourth we got last year), and no fifth (-1 for Sheppard).

[thetedginnshow]

alright haha constructive criticism is welcomed haha. i kinda went with a different approach (NT in rd 2, and LB in rd 3). I'll probably replace Brown with someone who will be a 3rd rounder.

Alright. Well, I just don't like DHB like everyone else does, so that's just going to be an issue in probably every mock. As for Brace, well, I don't think you draft a back-up for arguably your strongest position (might be ILB now) in the 2nd round, unless you foresee Jenkins being done in the next two years. I don't think I've ever seen a team have a Pro Bowl player at a position in their prime and then turn around and draft their back-up that early.

Cody Brown seems to have nice triangle numbers and production and all that, but really, when would he see the field? Unless of course we see Gholston as a bust already. This would be a good pick next year if Gholston doesn't appear to pan out, but it's a throwaway at this point.

I see you've changed it to Rashad Jennings who I love. Pretty sure we don't have two third rounders though unless I'm mistaken. But in any case, I think he's perfect for us.

I guess after that it's kind of hard to figure where people will most probably be available at. Pretty sure we only have one fourth rounder as well. I do like the idea of getting a DE, but I don't particularly like Richard. If we took a blocking TE in the 4th, well, I guess at that point I can't be too angry, but I think that's a complete waste. Butler's pretty much a poor man's Clowney. Of course, everyone keeps calling for us to draft an undersized burner for some reason, so I guess that's just something else I don't agree with.

[Young Nasty Man]

The one thing I don't like about Heyward-Bey is that I'm starting to get the feeling he could be a bit of a better Williamson. I have a friend that ran with him when Heyward-Bey was a senior in highschool and he is basically a physical machine and not so much of a receiver. The last best thing to come out of Maryland that could catch was Vernon Davis and he nearly as great as he is supposed to be.

IMO, I think we go after Hakeem Nicks (trading down a little deeper) or get Maclin. While we have a ton of returners, I think Maclin is the type of guy that Schottenheimer can use in his playbook becuase of his speed and abilities. I truly think that he would be a great guy to run a bunch of trick plays and also he can be a deep threat. I think Hakeem Nicks is a great possession receiver which is what I would like to see on the Jets next to Cotcherry. I think those are both good picks. I mean if he is available, its gotta be Crabtree but I think he will be way gone. I still think we should consider Tyson Jackson in the first round or even a possibility of going up for Sanchez inless we are going to sign some kind of Veteran and ill be frankly honest, Im getting sick and tired of the Old man QB stepping in every year so it would be nice for youth (and I dont think any of you are sold on Kellen).

As for some later WR's to pick, Tiquan Underwood can make a real solid slot receiver in the NFL wouldn't mind going that route also Brian Robiskie is a big receiver who did some damage at OSU. For RB's, I really liek Shonn Greene, real hard runner and knows how to run down hill, while maybe a taller version of Thomas Jones, would be a really good compliment to Leon aswell as Javon Ringer. While these guys maybe higher draft picks then what we want, those would be two really good compliments. Besides the fact taht I go to Pitt, I really dont like Donald Brown and I see him not doing a lot of work in our type of offense already when we have a Leon Washington type of guy.

[GET LOOSE]

Begin the chant. RE-CEI-VER! RE-CEI-VER! RE-CEI-VER!

Yes sir. And I wont stop chanting after we pick.

I'm starting to worry that I'm setting myself up for disappointment in the draft. There was a time I would have been okay with a myriad of different positions in the first round such as a safety or inside linebacker, but as those positions were filled in free agency, suddenly I only want the Jets to draft a wide receiver in the first round.


:(

Yea I feel the same way. After filling all our holes on D the only pick I want in the 1st round is a WR.

[josh07039]

I actually agree with the sentiment of Young Nasty Man. I am a little nervous about DHB being an athlete and not a reciever, however, I do not agree with the invocation of Troy Williamson. Watching DHB play makes you believe he is more polished as a route runner and pass catcher than Williamson was coming out.

[BroadwayJoe10]

Alright. Well, I just don't like DHB like everyone else does, so that's just going to be an issue in probably every mock. As for Brace, well, I don't think you draft a back-up for arguably your strongest position (might be ILB now) in the 2nd round, unless you foresee Jenkins being done in the next two years. I don't think I've ever seen a team have a Pro Bowl player at a position in their prime and then turn around and draft their back-up that early.

I understand your treipdation about drafting DHB, although I feel differently, but I will have to disagree with selection Ron Brace. Last year, when Jenkins went down and Pouh-bear was in, teams ran right at us and we basically were as effective at stopping them as a mesh condom stopping pregnancy. It might seem a bit overkill drafting a person who is going to be considered as mainly a backup, but I think his presence will be felt as more than just a backup.

Towards the end of the season, Jenkins was clearly wearing down and when he wasn't playing up to his standards, our team drastically suffered. Besides keeping Jenkins fresh and thus our defense stout and running on all cylinders, Brace could be used in the 4-3 type of alignments right next jenkins.



I actually agree with the sentiment of Young Nasty Man. I am a little nervous about DHB being an athlete and not a reciever, however, I do not agree with the invocation of Troy Williamson. Watching DHB play makes you believe he is more polished as a route runner and pass catcher than Williamson was coming out.


I can definitely see the Williamson comparisons, but I don't view them as that bad. He has all the physical tools and is known as a hard worker, but just has terrible hands. Watching DHB play and run the gauntlet at the combine shows he obviously has better hands than Williamson; the only thing holding back Williamson was his terrible hands.

Yes sir. And I wont stop chanting after we pick.



Yea I feel the same way. After filling all our holes on D the only pick I want in the 1st round is a WR.

I will cry tears, tears of joy if we draft one of Maclin or DHB. And use said tears as masturbatory lubricant.

[Young Nasty Man]

Is there any word of us going after any veteran QBs currently?

[thetedginnshow]

I understand your treipdation about drafting DHB, although I feel differently, but I will have to disagree with selection Ron Brace. Last year, when Jenkins went down and Pouh-bear was in, teams ran right at us and we basically were as effective at stopping them as a mesh condom stopping pregnancy. It might seem a bit overkill drafting a person who is going to be considered as mainly a backup, but I think his presence will be felt as more than just a backup.

Towards the end of the season, Jenkins was clearly wearing down and when he wasn't playing up to his standards, our team drastically suffered. Besides keeping Jenkins fresh and thus our defense stout and running on all cylinders, Brace could be used in the 4-3 type of alignments right next jenkins.

Oh I definitely think we should draft a back-up, but I just don't think that's something you do with your 2nd rounder. Not only is that wasteful but if I were Jenkins, I'd see it as an insult. And nothing really says definitively that Brace will be a great NT, so I don't see why we can't wait a couple rounds and draft someone like a Sammie Lee Hill much later.

[Crickett]

One thing I'm going to say based on Tim's mock and the responses.

Lets assume for a minute that the Jets do what (most of) we want and draft one of the high profile speedy wide receivers in the first round. What then? After the first round, the Jets don't really have much in the way of needs beyond depth. So just about anyone makes sense regardless of position. I'd say the lone exception to that is center.

[jetvilma51]

Is there any word of us going after any veteran QBs currently?

Every question that has been asked to Tanubaum about our QB situation, he has said dont rule out signing a QB but i highly doubt we pick one up. the organization seems to be confident with the QBs on our team and there hasnt been one media source of us talking to any free agent QB

[Young Nasty Man]

I figured. I really think we are going to be looking at all 3 even though we are at #17. A lot of trades are going to go down I have a feeling. Im starting to think Peppers wont be dealt till then and will shake up the draft. Also, the real question is going to be what happens at Seattle's #4 and then at Oakland becuase if all works out we could wind up with Possibly Maclin, Sanchez, or maybe even Crabtrizzle....Doubtful but its going to be interesting to see hte trickle effect I really just want to stay away from DHB...Something about a virtual workout warrior isnt selling me...

[derza222]

One thing I'm going to say based on Tim's mock and the responses.

Lets assume for a minute that the Jets do what (most of) we want and draft one of the high profile speedy wide receivers in the first round. What then? After the first round, the Jets don't really have much in the way of needs beyond depth. So just about anyone makes sense regardless of position. I'd say the lone exception to that is center.

Yeah beyond that it's just schematic/skill set picks. A running back would be great...but I want a big one. If we draft a little quick guy with nice hands you can color me confused. So I really don't think you're going to see anybody say **** we took position X, but it's going to be an issue if the guy doesn't fit something that we need at the position. Or if we take some 6'1 290 pound defensive lineman who clearly doesn't have the frame to play the nose...things like that can be questioned but outside of that I see little issue position to position.

[GET LOOSE]

After we take WR in the 1st (im praying we do) then anything is possible. DE is probably the only other position that sticks out as a need. Coleman is solid but it would be nice to get a power guy in there. And Ellis probably still has a good 2 years left in him but after that im not to sure. So WR and DE should both go in day 1. After that we take BPA that would fit into our type of play. Gotta say that I dont think I have ever been this excited considering we dont have to reach for a need. Should be a great draft as well as a great year.

[BroadwayJoe10]

Is there any word of us going after any veteran QBs currently?

Word on the street is that Rex wants to ride and die with the three we have now and thinks the heir apparent to Favre is currently on our team. It's possible that we could sign one, but Rex seems to be a straight shooter and has given no reason to think otherwise. He feels as though a vet wouldn't allow us to evaluate the talent that we currently have on our team and I agree.

Oh I definitely think we should draft a back-up, but I just don't think that's something you do with your 2nd rounder. Not only is that wasteful but if I were Jenkins, I'd see it as an insult. And nothing really says definitively that Brace will be a great NT, so I don't see why we can't wait a couple rounds and draft someone like a Sammie Lee Hill much later.

Understandable. I am a proponent for drafting Brace early, but I can see why one wouldn't be. I definitely would like a DE, considering I was quite dissapointed with losing out on Kendal Langford last year.

I really wish we would entertain the thought of signing Igor Olshanksy this year in FA, but I'm sure there's a reason we aren't.


One thing I'm going to say based on Tim's mock and the responses.

Lets assume for a minute that the Jets do what (most of) we want and draft one of the high profile speedy wide receivers in the first round. What then? After the first round, the Jets don't really have much in the way of needs beyond depth. So just about anyone makes sense regardless of position. I'd say the lone exception to that is center.

I have a gut feeling, along with yours, that we will be dissapointed when we don't get a first round WR this year. However, if we do get our first round WR, than I really wouldn't be upset with going BPA as long as it's not a C or QB.

[Young Nasty Man]

I think there is still a very large chance we are going to sign a guy by the name of Tyson Jackson and then a WR in the second round. While Defense was probably the stronger side of the ball last year (first half of hte year), he looks as if he wnats to address this very much and a DE is on of the most important parts of the 3-4 defense...

[Crickett]

I think there is still a very large chance we are going to sign a guy by the name of Tyson Jackson and then a WR in the second round. While Defense was probably the stronger side of the ball last year (first half of hte year), he looks as if he wnats to address this very much and a DE is on of the most important parts of the 3-4 defense...

I wouldn't be very happy if the Jets drafted Tyson Jackson ahead of the DHB or Maclin but I could very easily see it happening. If the Jets decided to wait until the second round to go WR, who would they take? I would think the best candidates left would be Louis Murphy and Brian Robieski. Louis Murphy is...... a florida wide receiver and Robieski is more of a Cotchery substitute than a complement.

[Young Nasty Man]

I wouldn't be very happy if the Jets drafted Tyson Jackson ahead of the DHB or Maclin but I could very easily see it happening. If the Jets decided to wait until the second round to go WR, who would they take? I would think the best candidates left would be Louis Murphy and Brian Robieski. Louis Murphy is...... a florida wide receiver and Robieski is more of a Cotchery substitute than a complement.

Thats the problem is that I think we can easily solve this problem of DE by signing Betrand Berry or Igor Olshanky. Both are proven and can both play. While one's tire tread is running low, I believe the other one is a better acquistion and played on a terrifying defense the last few years. I think by getting a proven Veteran, you solve the problem and allow the Jets to draft the position we all want at WR.

Now the odds of this happening: Very doubtful.

We all know the Jets for being the great organization they are when it comes to drafting and make great acquisitions. i.e. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Jets+Draft+Blunders&aq=f

I really think once you get past Kenny Britt, the receivers aren't known for being number one receivers and I think the value drops vastly. I would love to see Maclin. Considering Rex said he wants to use Leon as more of a tailback, I think Maclin solves the problem at WR and PR/KR. The only person I'd take in the second round is Underwood. He is a deep threat and has caused a lot of problems for other teams at Rutgers.