New York Jets Discussion

[throwback54milkman]

just got back from the game.......

this loss hurt the most of the year, especially because everything fell so well in the standings. There literally were no positives that came from this game.

The turning point of the game was early in the 2nd half when Mangini decided not to go for it on 4th down, on the 35 yrd line- stupid decision.

[tishdog]

anyone agree that we got outcoached today? The playcalling was terrible. D'Brick played horrendous also. We really need a playmaker.

[throwback54milkman]

anyone agree that we got outcoached today? The playcalling was terrible. D'Brick played horrendous also. We really need a playmaker.

we have playmakers, coles, cotch, leon, brad----

we have no QB that can give them an opportunity to make plays

[shavedaeyebrow2]

Even though we sucked today, I noticed we finally moved up Wallace Wright! I said at training camp that he looked good and he has finally worked his way up to the active roster. He is #15 and looked good on Kickoffs. He would always be the first guy down there and force him to the outside where he would be tackled immediately. If he ends up being amazing, I better get a medal :lol:

[Rob S]

How has Dbrick been this year, just curious because schobel owned today.

[throwback54milkman]

How has Dbrick been this year, just curious because schobel owned today.

It's weird, he has actually been improving greatly and the whole o-line has been unbelievable the past few games--i guess he just had a bad game, although Pennington holds the ball for too long

[Rob S]

How has Dbrick been this year, just curious because schobel owned today.

It's weird, he has actually been improving greatly and the whole o-line has been unbelievable the past few games--i guess he just had a bad game, although Pennington holds the ball for too long

I live in the city and it was funny because all my friends were talking up Dbrick and I told them that Schobel is damn good and that they may be overrating a 1st year LT. I would assume that he has his ups and downs

[Gang Green]

im goin to my first game of the year for me, i usually go to a couple a year but i havnt had time this year. But this is a must win for us, if we want to make a playoff run its gotta start here

I went to the game too, where were you sitting?

[Gang Green]

How has Dbrick been this year, just curious because schobel owned today.

It's weird, he has actually been improving greatly and the whole o-line has been unbelievable the past few games--i guess he just had a bad game, although Pennington holds the ball for too long

I live in the city and it was funny because all my friends were talking up Dbrick and I told them that Schobel is damn good and that they may be overrating a 1st year LT. I would assume that he has his ups and downs

Where in the city?

[throwback54milkman]

It is a real shame that Pennington is holding our team down a little bit- we got potential on offense. I dont hate Pennington, but he's best suited on a team like the Bears where u just hafta be average and not make mistakes and the defense will do the rest. The Jets are not that team. This is what I am proposing, and it may be a little out of the box:

We trade Clemens and our 1st for Marc Bulger (who seems to be a little unhappy in StL)
-this guy would be great for the Jets and I love the way he has played this year.


I know most likely it won't happen, but I think if we're going to make a serious run to the Superbowl in the next 3 years it won't be with Pennington or Clemens.

[disgruntledjetsfan]

It is a real shame that Pennington is holding our team down a little bit- we got potential on offense. I dont hate Pennington, but he's best suited on a team like the Bears where u just hafta be average and not make mistakes and the defense will do the rest. The Jets are not that team. This is what I am proposing, and it may be a little out of the box:

We trade Clemens and our 1st for Marc Bulger (who seems to be a little unhappy in StL)
-this guy would be great for the Jets and I love the way he has played this year.


I know most likely it won't happen, but I think if we're going to make a serious run to the Superbowl in the next 3 years it won't be with Pennington or Clemens.

That would be seriously overpaying for Marc Bulger. He is a good QB, but common, that's ridiculous.

[JETS5128]

It is a real shame that Pennington is holding our team down a little bit- we got potential on offense. I dont hate Pennington, but he's best suited on a team like the Bears where u just hafta be average and not make mistakes and the defense will do the rest. The Jets are not that team. This is what I am proposing, and it may be a little out of the box:

We trade Clemens and our 1st for Marc Bulger (who seems to be a little unhappy in StL)
-this guy would be great for the Jets and I love the way he has played this year.


I know most likely it won't happen, but I think if we're going to make a serious run to the Superbowl in the next 3 years it won't be with Pennington or Clemens.

Maybe Clemens and a 2nd, that thats probably too much also

[AlexDown]

Clemens and a first for Bulger would be terrible. First of there are only 3 players who I can think of that were traded soley for a first round pick, which were Branch, Moss, and Abe.

Ontop of that giving a second rounder QB would be ridiculous.
Moving on.....

Clemens actually is now offically our #2 QB over Ramsey. So that pretty much seals the deal that he won't be with us next year. Also, I believe Barlow is due to make 3.2 million if he stays with us, but reports are that he won't be with us next year either.

[JETS5128]

What do you guys think about David Carr? I would like to see what he can too playing for a team that isn't a top 5 pick every year.

Would any of you want him on the jets?

[AlexDown]

What do you guys think about David Carr? I would like to see what he can too playing for a team that isn't a top 5 pick every year.

Would any of you want him on the jets?

He could be one of those instances where change in setting would help to show the player people expected of him when he was drafted as high as he was.

I think getting him however is completely out of the question. Pennington will remain our starting QB for the time being and when his time is over, we invested a high draft pick in Clemens, who might some day have the opportunity to start.

[throwback54milkman]

I think the only positive that came from this week was the continued stellar play (at least in pass rush) by our OLBs (Hobson and Thomas). Also Barton played pretty well. Our biggest need on defense, is adding a big body in the middle, and potentially moving Dewayne to Kimo's spot. I like the LBs, and Vilma is too talented not to improve his play, I'm not that worried about him.

[Naked Jehuty]

I think the only positive that came from this week was the continued stellar play (at least in pass rush) by our OLBs (Hobson and Thomas). Also Barton played pretty well. Our biggest need on defense, is adding a big body in the middle, and potentially moving Dewayne to Kimo's spot. I like the LBs, and Vilma is too talented not to improve his play, I'm not that worried about him.

It may be the fact we dont have a dominant but either way, Vilma is underachieving. He doesn't have ANY sacks and ONE interception. Im a huge fan of Vilma, but thats horrible for one of our top (supposely) defensive playmakers.

(BTW- does anybody else thinks Rhodes deserves to be in the pro bowl but probably won't make it?)

[jetvilma51]

im goin to my first game of the year for me, i usually go to a couple a year but i havnt had time this year. But this is a must win for us, if we want to make a playoff run its gotta start here

I went to the game too, where were you sitting?
section 207, its the middle blue part, you??

[derza222]

I really see no point to getting Bulger or Carr to be perfectly honest with Clemens waiting in the wings, and that would be overpaying a ton for Bulger if we did decide to pull off the deal (which we won't).

I think the only positive that came from this week was the continued stellar play (at least in pass rush) by our OLBs (Hobson and Thomas). Also Barton played pretty well. Our biggest need on defense, is adding a big body in the middle, and potentially moving Dewayne to Kimo's spot. I like the LBs, and Vilma is too talented not to improve his play, I'm not that worried about him.

It may be the fact we dont have a dominant but either way, Vilma is underachieving. He doesn't have ANY sacks and ONE interception. Im a huge fan of Vilma, but thats horrible for one of our top (supposely) defensive playmakers.

(BTW- does anybody else thinks Rhodes deserves to be in the pro bowl but probably won't make it?)

Yes.

[JETS5128]

I really see no point to getting Bulger or Carr to be perfectly honest with Clemens waiting in the wings, and that would be overpaying a ton for Bulger if we did decide to pull off the deal (which we won't).

I think the only positive that came from this week was the continued stellar play (at least in pass rush) by our OLBs (Hobson and Thomas). Also Barton played pretty well. Our biggest need on defense, is adding a big body in the middle, and potentially moving Dewayne to Kimo's spot. I like the LBs, and Vilma is too talented not to improve his play, I'm not that worried about him.

It may be the fact we dont have a dominant but either way, Vilma is underachieving. He doesn't have ANY sacks and ONE interception. Im a huge fan of Vilma, but thats horrible for one of our top (supposely) defensive playmakers.

(BTW- does anybody else thinks Rhodes deserves to be in the pro bowl but probably won't make it?)

Yes.

Definetly

[tishdog]

I heard that if we lose any more games, we will see Clemons as our QB for the remainder of the season.

[jetvilma51]

I heard that if we lose any more games, we will see Clemons as our QB for the remainder of the season.

nice, but truthfully i think he should have went in along time ago

[throwback54milkman]

I heard that if we lose any more games, we will see Clemons as our QB for the remainder of the season.

nice, but truthfully i think he should have went in along time ago

guys, we have this conversation everytime Pennington has a bad game, however after the GB game no1 seemed to be saying this. There is no way Pennington will be sat this year after all that he's gone through to come back. Next year is looking pretty doubtful too based on the way he practices and works in training camp.

Put the Clemens rumors down until Pennington struggles really badly NEXT SEASON

[derza222]

I heard that if we lose any more games, we will see Clemons as our QB for the remainder of the season.

Just out of curiosity where'd you hear that. I don't know if I'd mind, Clemens is the QB of the future and if Mangini thinks he's ready I guess I'm all for it who am I to doubt him. Just curious where you heard that.

[tishdog]

I heard that if we lose any more games, we will see Clemons as our QB for the remainder of the season.

Just out of curiosity where'd you hear that. I don't know if I'd mind, Clemens is the QB of the future and if Mangini thinks he's ready I guess I'm all for it who am I to doubt him. Just curious where you heard that.
It was in a little caption in the power rankings on yahoo.

[derza222]

I heard that if we lose any more games, we will see Clemons as our QB for the remainder of the season.

Just out of curiosity where'd you hear that. I don't know if I'd mind, Clemens is the QB of the future and if Mangini thinks he's ready I guess I'm all for it who am I to doubt him. Just curious where you heard that.
It was in a little caption in the power rankings on yahoo.

Cool thanks.

['cuse-213]

stupid question... but what kind of offense do we run? i always thought we ran a west coast offense but im not sure.

[throwback54milkman]

you can just call it VERY conservative

['cuse-213]

if your gonna be like that, i mine as well call it -adapted to our strengths.

[AMJets]

you can just call it VERY conservative

Conservative? Mangini and Schottenheimer Jr. are developing a reputation around the league as being very creative with formations and playcalls, and also willing to take risks. Conservative is the last thing you could call this offense.

[throwback54milkman]

the keys to the game today are clear:
-Pennington must play well
-The O-line has to be PHYSICAL like they were against the Pats
-we MUST force at least 2 turnovers on Brad Johnson

I think if we do this we come out winning something like 21-14 and go into Miami next week with a great chance to make the playoffs.

[jetvilma51]

way to fumble chad

[nvot9]

Any Jet fans want any sigs?

[Gridiron]

For this week and next week, who do we need to win/lose to have a shot at the playoffs?

[jetvilma51]

For this week and next week, who do we need to win/lose to have a shot at the playoffs?
we want the jags, cinci, broncos, and denver to lose

[JetsFanNick]

For the Jets to make the playoffs this must happen:

1- We win out
2- Chiefs win out(if broncos win out)
3- Broncos lose 1 game
4- Jagurs lose 1 game

Thats it!!

[throwback54milkman]

just like this week's game came down to Pennington having a good game next week will come down D'Brick controlling JTay. If he does that, the Jets win easy and come home controlling their own destiny hopefully.

[theskyandthejets]

hey guys, i've been reading the forums for a while but i just decided to sign up a few days ago. i'm a jets, mets, knicks >_<, and lsu tigers fan.

right now the wildcard race looks like:
5) 8-5 cincinnati...plays colts, broncos, steelers
6) 8-6 denver...plays bengals, 49ers
7) 8-6 jaguars...plays patriots, chiefs
8) 8-6 jets...plays dolphins, raiders

all 3 teams ahead of the jets own a tiebreaker over them though.
so the jets need two of those teams to reach 7 losses.

if the jets win out, it looks likely that they will make the playoffs at least as a wildcard.
(if they win out and new england drops its next two games AT jacksonville and AT red-hot tennessee, the jets will win the division).

the odds are in our favor, so let's not lose focus, and let's just root for the jets to win.
but conversely, could we win this division!??

[vilma]

For us to make the Playoffs:
Possibility 1:
we win out and NE loses at Jacksonville and against Tennessee: we win division.

Possibility 2:
We win out. Cin loses tonite. Next week either Cin or Den will get their 7th loss (they play head to head) hopefully CIN will win because I think PITT will beat them week 17, and Jax gets 1 more loss. As long as 2 of those 3 teams have 7 losses and we win out were in.

[derza222]

For us to make the Playoffs:
Possibility 1:
we win out and NE loses at Jacksonville and against Tennessee: we win division.

Possibility 2:
We win out. Cin loses tonite. Next week either Cin or Den will get their 7th loss (they play head to head) hopefully CIN will win because I think PITT will beat them week 17, and Jax gets 1 more loss. As long as 2 of those 3 teams have 7 losses and we win out were in.

Do you really think Pitt is going to beat Cincy week 17? The game is in Cincy and the Bengals are one of the hottest teams in the NFL right now. Granted it's possible, and I'm slightly biased being a Cincy fan, but I think the Bengals are definitely the favorites to win that one as of right now.

[throwback54milkman]

the ideal situation for us would be for Cinci to be the 5 seed and us the 6 seed, which would mean that Cinci beats Denver next week and NE beats Jax. So really tonight's game is not THAT big for us. What will be interesting though is that if we are the 6 seed we will play at Indy in the first round. The Jets definately have a shot in that game.

[derza222]

the ideal situation for us would be for Cinci to be the 5 seed and us the 6 seed, which would mean that Cinci beats Denver next week and NE beats Jax. So really tonight's game is not THAT big for us. What will be interesting though is that if we are the 6 seed we will play at Indy in the first round. The Jets definately have a shot in that game.

That would definitely be an awesome scenario. Who do you think would get the byes in that scenario, San Diego and Baltimore or SD and NE? I guess the only thing you could say about tonight's game is not as much what Cincy does (they are still the top wild card even if they lose I believe) but more of who we play in the first round based on Indy's record.

[throwback54milkman]

the ideal situation for us would be for Cinci to be the 5 seed and us the 6 seed, which would mean that Cinci beats Denver next week and NE beats Jax. So really tonight's game is not THAT big for us. What will be interesting though is that if we are the 6 seed we will play at Indy in the first round. The Jets definately have a shot in that game.

That would definitely be an awesome scenario. Who do you think would get the byes in that scenario, San Diego and Baltimore or SD and NE? I guess the only thing you could say about tonight's game is not as much what Cincy does (they are still the top wild card even if they lose I believe) but more of who we play in the first round based on Indy's record.

I would much rather play Indy than NE or Baltimore in the first round based on the fact that their defense is terrible and have a bad postseason pedigree. And don't forget Peyton struggles against 3-4 defenses that can bring pressure, something that we have improved on since we played them earlier in the season.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Any Jet fans want any sigs?
Do you think I could get a DeWayne Robertson sig with his quote "Can't Nobody Block Me."

I'd want to use this on another board, with restrictions so can I get it 400 x 100?

Also, boys. Be rooting for an Indy win tonight. We need to start receiving help to knock teams off since Jacksonville has the head to head matchup.

[derza222]

the ideal situation for us would be for Cinci to be the 5 seed and us the 6 seed, which would mean that Cinci beats Denver next week and NE beats Jax. So really tonight's game is not THAT big for us. What will be interesting though is that if we are the 6 seed we will play at Indy in the first round. The Jets definately have a shot in that game.

That would definitely be an awesome scenario. Who do you think would get the byes in that scenario, San Diego and Baltimore or SD and NE? I guess the only thing you could say about tonight's game is not as much what Cincy does (they are still the top wild card even if they lose I believe) but more of who we play in the first round based on Indy's record.

I would much rather play Indy than NE or Baltimore in the first round based on the fact that their defense is terrible and have a bad postseason pedigree. And don't forget Peyton struggles against 3-4 defenses that can bring pressure, something that we have improved on since we played them earlier in the season.

I agree that Indy would be the best first round matchup, I wasn't saying who I'd rather see I was just saying because it could determine who we face if we make the playoffs the game has some significance. Baltimore is very good and I don't think we'd do anything against them, and I have a feeling BB would really bring it against us in a playoff game.

[Javes]

C-O-L-T-S COLTS! COLTS! COLTS! :D

[Vilma the Animal]

I dont really come here anymore, and sorry, but I'm not going to read everything Ive missed and know what youve been talking about so I'm sorry if what I want to say has been said many times before.

First off, AMAZING SEASON SO FAR!!! What we should remember is that even if things don't go as we would hope the next two weeks (although I'm so ciked and holding my breath) this season is a huge success and we really were supposed to win no more than 6 games this year. I don't want to talk to much about how well the Jets have been playing, because as soon as everyone starts buying into Gang Green they always find a way to F--- it all up.

My question is this: many people are satisfied with the combo of Cedric and Leon. However, although we have 2-4 solid at least backup quality RBs, I really don't see a true starter and gamebreaker in our backfield. I really don't think we can take it to the NEXT level until we have a high quality starting RB. Certainly a guy like Marshawn Lynch (rd 1) or Michael Bush (maybe with Washingtons 2nd rounder) could be an option in the draft, but many people would like the Jets to focus on other needs. The guy that really has me curious is Michael "the Burner" Turner. Hes averaging about 6 YPC this year and will be a hot commodity come F/A signing time. Do you think he could be a great starter and that the Jets should make a run for him or do you think we'd have to majorly overspend?

If you've read all this, then thanks a lot. I'm basically getting months of thoughts off my chest...I'll be awaiting an answer.

[derza222]

I dont really come here anymore, and sorry, but I'm not going to read everything Ive missed and know what youve been talking about so I'm sorry if what I want to say has been said many times before.

First off, AMAZING SEASON SO FAR!!! What we should remember is that even if things don't go as we would hope the next two weeks (although I'm so ciked and holding my breath) this season is a huge success and we really were supposed to win no more than 6 games this year. I don't want to talk to much about how well the Jets have been playing, because as soon as everyone starts buying into Gang Green they always find a way to F--- it all up.

My question is this: many people are satisfied with the combo of Cedric and Leon. However, although we have 2-4 solid at least backup quality RBs, I really don't see a true starter and gamebreaker in our backfield. I really don't think we can take it to the NEXT level until we have a high quality starting RB. Certainly a guy like Marshawn Lynch (rd 1) or Michael Bush (maybe with Washingtons 2nd rounder) could be an option in the draft, but many people would like the Jets to focus on other needs. The guy that really has me curious is Michael "the Burner" Turner. Hes averaging about 6 YPC this year and will be a hot commodity come F/A signing time. Do you think he could be a great starter and that the Jets should make a run for him or do you think we'd have to majorly overspend?

If you've read all this, then thanks a lot. I'm basically getting months of thoughts off my chest...I'll be awaiting an answer.

I think Turner has potential to be a good starter, but a lot of his running plays have come in during garbage time or after LT has tired out defenses. I just don't know how well he would play in an every-down role and I think for the amount we would have to pay to get him he is too much of a roll of the dice. It's just a risk that I'm not sure I'd be willing to take. If Lynch slips to us I'd definitely take him, but if not I don't really want to pick somebody up in the second or third because I don't know how much of an upgrade it would be over what we already have, the backs this year aren't that great and IMO we'd just be getting a third or fourth good backup running back in the backfield and that would be a waste of a pick we could use to shore up or defensive front 7, offensive line, or pick up a corner, or really anything but quarterback, RB, #2 WR, rush LB, and safety. Just my opinion.

[tishdog]

Wow guys Kerry Rhodes got ****** over for Troy Polamalu. Thats not even fair. At least we got Justin Miller in.

[throwback54milkman]

Kerry Rhodes got a bad deal for the pro bowl, but that's ok the Jets don't need individual recognition. I really would have like to see Mangold make it too, as well. Glad we got 1 player at least and we got some solid young players that will definately be Pro Bowlers in the future as well as potentially the coach of the year this year.

Btw, I just bought a Vilma signed picture today, it's pretty sweet.

[derza222]

Kerry Rhodes got a bad deal for the pro bowl, but that's ok the Jets don't need individual recognition. I really would have like to see Mangold make it too, as well. Glad we got 1 player at least and we got some solid young players that will definately be Pro Bowlers in the future as well as potentially the coach of the year this year.

Btw, I just bought a Vilma signed picture today, it's pretty sweet.

Rhodes thing is pretty unfair but I guess you had to figure it was going to happen, Troy has name recognition. The Vilma picture sounds pretty sweet. Speaking of Vilma, hopefully he can turn it around in the 3-4.

[bakdafucup]

i did fully expect it to happen. but i am infuriated that rhodes didnt make the probowl.

[jetsfan3]

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!

[Javes]

If the Jets get in the playoffs than mangini is a lock for coach of the year

[AlexDown]

Everyone knows we didn't have a QB or OL last year also right?

[throwback54milkman]

Everyone knows we didn't have a QB or OL last year also right?

what, you don't like Brooks Bollinger?? jk

In other news, Larry Johnson is complaining about the offense Herm is running---Mangini is God

[AMJets]

If the Jets get in the playoffs than mangini is a lock for coach of the year

I don't think Mangini can do anything at this point to sway the voters from voting for Payton. In any other year, it would be him, though.

[bakdafucup]

if the saints finish bad and genie gets us into the playoffs... he could

[FlutiesDropKick]

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!

anyone else notice the JF3 sighting? i kinda missed the little post *****

anyway Mangini will get some strong consideration but Payton will win it

[josh07039]

Everyone knows we didn't have a QB or OL last year also right?

what, you don't like Brooks Bollinger?? jk

In other news, Larry Johnson is complaining about the offense Herm is running---Mangini is Godi wish we still had Brooks, he is a god.

[draftguru151]

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!

:shock: :shock: :shock: Good jets mock.

[Zim3031]

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!

:shock: :shock: :shock: Good jets mock.

Jets don't need D'Brick we have Adrian Jones, Deangelo Williams would be the pick.

[FlutiesDropKick]

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!

:shock: :shock: :shock: Good jets mock.

Jets don't need D'Brick we have Adrian Jones, Deangelo Williams would be the pick.

finally people notice that he returned! I'll admit though i was on the DeAngelo Bandwagon till he dropped to late first. And if you remmeber JF3 changed to cutler for a week and the to D'Brick....ahh the good ol days

[FlutiesDropKick]

just thought i'd tell this story here. One of my friends and his brother got from their parents for Christmas a trip to Miami and tickets to the game on Monday night. I just thought that was a sick gift and had to spread the word.

[jets future]

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!
last time you posted was in may and you still come out with an 18 post per a day

[JETS5128]

If we win out we are automatically in right?

[Ravens1991]

yes i think if you win out you will get a playoff spot.

But how is Vilma doing in a 3-4 D?

[josh07039]

yes i think if you win out you will get a playoff spot.

But how is Vilma doing in a 3-4 D?hes really been struggling,but I think he'll ultimately turn it around and start making impact plays again.

[AlexDown]

As Jet fan, what really made this season great in addition to our 8-6 record and being in playoff contention, is seeing how the Dolphin's season has been. From from signing Culpepper instead of Drew Brees and then going from being talked about as a Super Bowl team to not even making the playoffs.

However, they have an opportunity to put a stop to our playoff chances today, and being the rivalry that it is, I am expecting to see the Miami team that beat the Patriots and handed the Bears their first loss. For a true Dolphin fan, this game still is a big deal.

On top of that, its Christmas. Come on Jets. Get it done.

[Ravens1991]

yes i think if you win out you will get a playoff spot.

But how is Vilma doing in a 3-4 D?hes really been struggling,but I think he'll ultimately turn it around and start making impact plays again.

What is wrong? is it shedding blocks?

I'm not going to stay on this site, but it really has been an amazing season for the Jets. MANGINI FOR COACH OF THE YEAR!
last time you posted was in may and you still come out with an 18 post per a day
You don't know the legend of JF3.

[Ravens1991]

I heard jets fan 3 will come back for the draft, I remember Jbond posting that.

[AlexDown]

Best Christmas ever.

[JETS5128]

Wow. good win, it was really a dog fight

[Javes]

Ugly game but a win is a win

[josh07039]

Ugly game but a win is a winwinning is winning and keeping ur destiny in ur own hands is really important.

I heard jets fan 3 will come back for the draft, I remember Jbond posting that.

I hope so. We need his great critiquing of mocks.

[Javes]

ESPN has us playing the Colts in the playoffs.

[FlutiesDropKick]

Ugly game but a win is a win

damn straight. The game was so ugly it made me finally appreciate a steve levy comment when on sportscenter he said "the person who was able to cut a highlight of that game deserves a raise"

[FlutiesDropKick]

ESPN has us playing the Colts in the playoffs.

we should have beat them once and if Leon can gash the Dolphins D i wonder what he can do to the Colts HIDEOUS run defense

[AlexDown]

Lets not get carried away guys....

[Zim3031]

There's still a game left to play.

[jetsfan3]

Great win by the Jets. I was very upset with Chad Pennington. I just don't think he can take this team deep into the playoffs. He threw one good pass which was the touchdown. However, one of his passes prior to that should have been picked. People might think he had a good game because the last pass the threw was a good one. He really almost killed two of his recievers, and he threw tons of bad passes. Anyway, he got the job done, but I really hope he does better next week.

[derza222]

ESPN has us playing the Colts in the playoffs.

we should have beat them once and if Leon can gash the Dolphins D i wonder what he can do to the Colts HIDEOUS run defense

I think the Colts are definitely the best matchup for us in the first round because of Leon. He's a little lighter and not nearly as strong but the same short, quick back as Maurice-Jones drew who tore up the Colts defense in their victory a few weeks ago. If we play Indy in the first we definitely have a shot to pull off an upset, not saying we will, but it should be a close game just like it was earlier in the season at the very least.

[jets future]

Ugly game but a win is a win
hey you remeber what herman edwards said in a post game conference. the jets are the shrek in the nfl, they play ugly but we get the job done. i miss herman edwards post game comments. he called the jets ugly winners

[hcbrad08]

ref: 1st page mock draft from shavedaeyebrow2 (too big to quote)I don't know about the FREE AGENTS SIGNINGS maybe Turner because he knows our system from SD but I like Marshawn Lynch most in the 1st round. Then a guy like Quentin Moses if Lynch isn't there. Look on espn.com for marshawn lynch's interview with "sportsnation" all of his answers would be perfect for Mangenius. I do like taking okoye and hughes in the 2nd and smith in the 3rd other than the 1st rounder I love it.

[hcbrad08]

Great win by the Jets. I was very upset with Chad Pennington. I just don't think he can take this team deep into the playoffs. He threw one good pass which was the touchdown. However, one of his passes prior to that should have been picked. People might think he had a good game because the last pass the threw was a good one. He really almost killed two of his recievers, and he threw tons of bad passes. Anyway, he got the job done, but I really hope he does better next week.

he threw bad passes early because of the rain so did joey harrington. He did almost get the wr killed but the shot from Zach Thomas looked worse than it was because he lead with his head and cut up LC's chin. As for only throwing one good pass look at the game if you can again (TIVO) and the 3rd down pass to Brad Smith and a lot of other passes were good ones and a lot were when the pocket was collapsing. I think Pennington is the perfect QB for the playoffs because look at the types of QB's the teams who have won recently have had.
2001-Trent Dilfer
2002-Tom Brady
2003-Brad Johnson
2004-Tom Brady
2005-Tom Brady
2006-Ben Rothlisberger

don't let anyone fool you those guys took care of the football and limited mistakes and when the Jets winn CP does that. (TOM BRADY did not win those super bowls by himself he limited mistakes and Belichicks plan was to always have a CHANCE to win in the end (all PATS SB decided by 3pt FG not game winning TD drives) They all were simpoly limit mistake guys and could drive when the pressure was on) Chad did that this monday on Natl. TV at Miami after the dolphins scored that TD and FG against our biggest rival with everything on the line. I think it's a matter of playing Mangenius ball and they'll be ready for the colts the 2nd time around in the dome where Chad has a SICK record.


Hoge from ESPN said the Jets have been playing very "vanilla" all year and probably have more plays to open up for the playoffs. I'm a looking and I'm a likin Im not saying we're going to win the SB I'm saying don't be surprised if they make a run.

MANGINI & TANNENBAUM SAVIORS OF THE JETS FRANCHISE

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Pennington was sick as a dog on Monday Night. There's an article somewhere about it, but after he threw a couple of incompletions in the first quarter, he walked over to the sidelines and threw up. He didn't use it as an excuse because he said he doesn't do that.

Pennington's pass almost got picked, but on the same note, Kerry Rhodes had a pick for a sure touchdown earlier which he didn't haul in. Things go both ways, and both teams got away with a lot of mistakes early.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/28/sports/football/28jets.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

I thought there was a big problem with him too, because never before had I seen him walk to the bench after a drive, and after the commercial break, still be sitting there in a dazed look. Turns out he had a bad virus. He's a tough rugged guy that can get it done. He has balls, regardless of what stupid injury or weak armed jokes anyone wants to come up with. This was a typical Jets/Dolphins game in which regardless of record, both teams come to play.

Draft
If we draft a runningback, PLEASE, draft a workhorse. I've been watching Lynch tonight and he's a great runner. However, I think his vigorous running style in which his body gets beaten up, will lead to a shortened NFL career. I think it'd be best for him to be used in a Reggie Bush type of role, yet we don't have our Deuce McCalister yet. I don't want Turner either. He hasn't taken more then a hundred carries in three years. That's three offseasons as a backup. Look at LaMont Jordan. He had similar treatment and thusfar has broken down as the feature back. We need a workhorse, tough runner in between the tackles, similar to Barlow. Only problem is, Barlow pussyfoots his way into the holes.

This team truly amazes me, because despite being in the bottom percentile of damn near every team defensive stat, we're 9-6, about to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. It makes me wonder what this team will do when we finally put a better defense together and bring in some more of Mangini's prototypical 3-4 playoffs, and maybe an H-Back for the offense.

[jetsfan3]

This team truly amazes me, because despite being in the bottom percentile of damn near every team defensive stat, we're 9-6, about to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. It makes me wonder what this team will do when we finally put a better defense together and bring in some more of Mangini's prototypical 3-4 playoffs, and maybe an H-Back for the offense.

Don't forget about our scheduel. We've beaten some good teams like the Patriots and were in the game such as Colts and Bears, but it the Jets want to continue foward they can't lose to teams such as Clevland and Buffalo. They've beaten bad teams, but they have to prove that they can beat decent teams. For instance, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Miami, those are decent teams. Not only was the Jets win important against Miami, but it proves that they can beat a decent team on the road.

[jets future]

This team truly amazes me, because despite being in the bottom percentile of damn near every team defensive stat, we're 9-6, about to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. It makes me wonder what this team will do when we finally put a better defense together and bring in some more of Mangini's prototypical 3-4 playoffs, and maybe an H-Back for the offense.

Don't forget about our scheduel. We've beaten some good teams like the Patriots and were in the game such as Colts and Bears, but it the Jets want to continue foward they can't lose to teams such as Clevland and Buffalo. They've beaten bad teams, but they have to prove that they can beat decent teams. For instance, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Miami, those are decent teams. Not only was the Jets win important against Miami, but it proves that they can beat a decent team on the road.
in the afc playoffs there are no decent teams, there are all really good teams

[jetsfan3]

This team truly amazes me, because despite being in the bottom percentile of damn near every team defensive stat, we're 9-6, about to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. It makes me wonder what this team will do when we finally put a better defense together and bring in some more of Mangini's prototypical 3-4 playoffs, and maybe an H-Back for the offense.

Don't forget about our scheduel. We've beaten some good teams like the Patriots and were in the game such as Colts and Bears, but it the Jets want to continue foward they can't lose to teams such as Clevland and Buffalo. They've beaten bad teams, but they have to prove that they can beat decent teams. For instance, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Miami, those are decent teams. Not only was the Jets win important against Miami, but it proves that they can beat a decent team on the road.
in the afc playoffs there are no decent teams, there are all really good teams

I know, but you have to prove you can beat decent teams before you beat teams like Baltimore.

[jets future]

jets fans
i dont know about this guy adam karricker,
you guys would rather have him than lamaar woodly. woodly can play de or olb, he works good in 3-4.

[jetsfan3]

jets fans
i dont know about this guy adam karricker,
you guys would rather have him than lamaar woodly. woodly can play de or olb, he works good in 3-4.

I don't know anything about this draft class to be honest. Can you fill me in on who the Jets plan on drafting and who are good options?

[jets future]

some good options would be lamar woodly, some ppl want marshawn lynch which i dont want., ambioki hes a dt. some one who i keep seeing on the mocks is this guy karicker, who i dont know too much about, and last i heard jets are intrested in brian leonard fb from rutgers.

[JETS5128]

jets fans
i dont know about this guy adam karricker,
you guys would rather have him than lamaar woodly. woodly can play de or olb, he works good in 3-4.

I don't know anything about this draft class to be honest. Can you fill me in on who the Jets plan on drafting and who are good options?

The only player that the jets have actually been reported to be interested in is Leonard, everything else is just speculation

I would like to get lynch but he won't be there when we pick. period.

Okoye isn't a great fit at 3-4 NT, he's better suited for 4-3 but probably could play NT, so i wouldn't really fancy him either

Carriker is pretty much the prototypical 3-4 DE but i think we can nab him with washington's pick unless his stock rockets, in which case i wouldn't mind picking him.

Woodley doesn't seem like a good 3-4 OLB fit to me either, and he certainly can't play 3-4 DE. Someone who i think we should get with a later pick is Brian Smith from Missouri. I absolutely love this kid and he has everything needed to be a 3-4 OLB. He's probably late 1st day to early 2nd, but i think come combine he will soar up to the 2nd round, i would love to get him there.

I would like a new RT as well, Clement just doesn't cut it for me and i would really like a Road Grader in there to help with out running game woes, i don't really know much about the OL prospects though so i won't comment, but i do like Arron Sears

Alot of mocks recently have us going for a 1st round corner. I like this idea. As much as we love him,Miller isn't good enough to be a starter but he does alright in nickel situations.

IMO our draft should be

1st:RT
2nd:CB/Carriker
2nd:Carriker/Leonard
3rd:Smith

[jetsfan3]

Thanks for the info. Which RTs do you have in mind?

[jets future]

Thanks for the info. Which RTs do you have in mind?
levi jones but i dont think rt is a first round need

[tishdog]

Heres how I feel we should draft

1- Lamar Woodley
2a- Adam Carriker
2b- Brian Leonard
3- Best Corner Available

We might need a little more offense though. I feel we should draft defense and try to sign some decent offensive FAs.

[JETS5128]

Thanks for the info. Which RTs do you have in mind?
levi jones but i dont think rt is a first round need

Pretty sure Brown is gonna be gone by our pick

[jets future]

Thanks for the info. Which RTs do you have in mind?
levi jones but i dont think rt is a first round need

Pretty sure Brown is gonna be gone by our pick
no neck. i said jones. i meant brown,

[jetsfan3]

This is good that the Skins are losing. As much as I dislike the Giants, it's good for the Jets because the worst the Skins record the better pick we have in the second round if it means that much.

[getwellchad]

I have an eerie feeling that we lose to *gulp* Aaron Brooks and the Raiders tomorrow. I hope to god I'm wrong, but I think our boys are going to overlook the game and the Raiders will steal one.

p.s. does anyone else feel stupider after reading one of jetsfuture's posts or is it just me?

[jetsfan3]

I have an eerie feeling that we lose to *gulp* Aaron Brooks and the Raiders tomorrow. I hope to god I'm wrong, but I think our boys are going to overlook the game and the Raiders will steal one.
p.s. does anyone else feel stupider after reading one of jetsfuture's posts or is it just me?

If the Jets don't beat Oakland, not only will they be out of the playoffs, but they don't deserve to make the playoffs for another 5 years.

[AlexDown]

The Jets will not "overlook" the Raiders.

[JETS5128]

I have an eerie feeling that we lose to *gulp* Aaron Brooks and the Raiders tomorrow. I hope to god I'm wrong, but I think our boys are going to overlook the game and the Raiders will steal one.

p.s. does anyone else feel stupider after reading one of jetsfuture's posts or is it just me?

I kind of get that feeling too, but Mangini won't let them overlook this game, you know he will be on everyones ass ten times as much as he has been before any game this year

Regarding your 2nd statement, occasionaly

[hcbrad08]

This team truly amazes me, because despite being in the bottom percentile of damn near every team defensive stat, we're 9-6, about to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. It makes me wonder what this team will do when we finally put a better defense together and bring in some more of Mangini's prototypical 3-4 playoffs, and maybe an H-Back for the offense.

Don't forget about our scheduel. We've beaten some good teams like the Patriots and were in the game such as Colts and Bears, but it the Jets want to continue foward they can't lose to teams such as Clevland and Buffalo. They've beaten bad teams, but they have to prove that they can beat decent teams. For instance, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Miami, those are decent teams. Not only was the Jets win important against Miami, but it proves that they can beat a decent team on the road.
in the afc playoffs there are no decent teams, there are all really good teams

I know, but you have to prove you can beat decent teams before you beat teams like Baltimore.

If you look at our strength of schedule the patriots sched was easier but nobody comments on their sched

[bearsfan_51]

This team truly amazes me, because despite being in the bottom percentile of damn near every team defensive stat, we're 9-6, about to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. It makes me wonder what this team will do when we finally put a better defense together and bring in some more of Mangini's prototypical 3-4 playoffs, and maybe an H-Back for the offense.

Don't forget about our scheduel. We've beaten some good teams like the Patriots and were in the game such as Colts and Bears, but it the Jets want to continue foward they can't lose to teams such as Clevland and Buffalo. They've beaten bad teams, but they have to prove that they can beat decent teams. For instance, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Miami, those are decent teams. Not only was the Jets win important against Miami, but it proves that they can beat a decent team on the road.
in the afc playoffs there are no decent teams, there are all really good teams

I know, but you have to prove you can beat decent teams before you beat teams like Baltimore.

If you look at our strength of schedule the patriots sched was easier but nobody comments on their sched
Probably cause, ya know, they won three Superbowls.

[hcbrad08]

it's not the same team, and for a fact no one mentions their easy schedule. it doesnt matter if they've won 3 superbowls they played just as easy a schedule as the jets THIS YEAR (they haven''t won this year) and for the sake of sounding like Dennie Green, if you wanna crown em then crown em the pats are who I thought they were.someone should recognize that they're schedule was favorable as well. Its all in the AFC so its not a joke like the NFC Wildcard. No offense to the Bears they were clearly the #1 in NFC all year and would be 3 or 4 in the AFC.

[jetsfan3]

Wow Pennington can you throw the ball 30 yards? That's a pass that every QB in the NFL has to make.

[D4rk 0ne]

Congratulations guys. Big turn around for your team.

[Number 10]

Job well done guys.

[Zim3031]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/lardude/ERU10112312119.jpg

[jets future]

what did i tell you people,m in the off season, io was like guys we will have a 7-9 - a 10-6 record, i knew we would make it to the playoffs i kept saying that most of you guys were like nah i dont think os i was like one of the olny optomistic ones here. i wish we had the old discussion here so i can quote all of those posts out. i remember saying that pennington is going to make the critics shut the **** up, and i was right. lets go jets

[jets future]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/lardude/ERU10112312119.jpg
mangini finally smiles

[throwback54milkman]

I'm so proud of 'em, the crowd was great today, and so was the game.

Bring on Peyton

[SterlingSharpe]

Congrats to you guys.
We both were 4-12 and while we have added 3-4 wins with our new coach, we obviously are nowhere near you guys, as you showed when you creamed us at Lambeau.

BTW, unbiased here, there's NO doubt you can beat the Colts.

First of all, you guys remind me of the Patriots, and second, this is the PLAYOFFS and they are THE COLTS, with TONY DUNGY.

Jets 27
Colts 24

[FootballGod]

Do the Jets have 2 second round picks? If so who did they get the pick from?

[nvot9]

PLAYOFFS MOTHER *******!!!!!!

[getwellchad]

Do the Jets have 2 second round picks? If so who did they get the pick from?
Washington...#6 in the 2nd round :D

[nvot9]

http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32250

Check it out bitches, first mock of the season, a Jets 2 rounder...

[jets future]

Congrats to you guys.
We both were 4-12 and while we have added 3-4 wins with our new coach, we obviously are nowhere near you guys, as you showed when you creamed us at Lambeau.

BTW, unbiased here, there's NO doubt you can beat the Colts.

First of all, you guys remind me of the Patriots, and second, this is the PLAYOFFS and they are THE COLTS, with TONY DUNGY.

Jets 27
Colts 24
ur wrong were not playing the colts. were playing the pats agian.

[jetvilma51]

Im so happy were in the playoffs, it seemed like forever since we were there, even though it was 2 years ago but were playin the pats at 1:00 on sunday

[nvot9]

Jets future, aren't we playing the Ravens?

[nvot9]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.

Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!

[jets future]

Jets future, aren't we playing the Ravens?
no the ravens have the bye, were the 5 th seed so we have to play the pats, since they are the fourth seed. we are playing them at 1, on sunday at ne.

[nvot9]

Jets future, aren't we playing the Ravens?
no the ravens have the bye, were the 5 th seed so we have to play the pats, since they are the fourth seed. we are playing them at 1, on sunday at ne.

Yea, just saw that myself. Thoughts on my small mock?

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.

Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!
When is this obsession with corner's going to end? For the past six quarters the Jets starting corners have been Hank Poteat and David Barrett, and they have flat out dominated! It's a matter of getting pressure within the front seven, since there are no true cover corners anymore outside of Bailey who developed with the old rules. We use a zone system much like the Patriots who never take defensive backs high. Why? Because all you need is a bunch of roleplayers from Oklahoma who have played zone before.

We need to add a rushbacker, and we need to add someone along the defensive line (whether it's Robertson to end, or drafting an end and Robertson to nose tackle). Von Oelhoffen is awful. Run at him and you're assured five yards.

We need to solidify our offensive line with either another guard or tackle on the right side, and maybe a guard late to potentially replace Pete Kendall in a year or two.

[nvot9]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.

Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!
When is this obsession with corner's going to end? For the past six quarters the Jets starting corners have been Hank Poteat and David Barrett, and they have flat out dominated! It's a matter of getting pressure within the front seven, since there are no true cover corners anymore outside of Bailey who developed with the old rules. We use a zone system much like the Patriots who never take defensive backs high. Why? Because all you need is a bunch of roleplayers from Oklahoma who have played zone before.

We need to add a rushbacker, and we need to add someone along the defensive line (whether it's Robertson to end, or drafting an end and Robertson to nose tackle). Von Oelhoffen is awful. Run at him and you're assured five yards.

We need to solidify our offensive line with either another guard or tackle on the right side, and maybe a guard late to potentially replace Pete Kendall in a year or two.

Ok, well your comment on the CB's is just flat out stupid. All of the top teams have 1 dominant CB. And in fact, the one example you gave, the Patriots, have a CB with the most picks in the league, so the fact that you think we just need "role players" is wrong. As for your comment on David Barret and Hank Poteat, that's just stupid. Poteat does nothing really and Barrett is our worst CB who gives up too many plays.

As for you other two "comments" I adressed those needs in the mock, so I'm not sure why you even said anything?

[jetvilma51]

Andre Dyson is our shutdown corner and i wouldnt worry about his age but this year were not drafting a corner round 1

[nvot9]

Andre Dyson is a good corner and will start next year no doubt and be our number 1 because of lack of a better number 1, but trust me, he's not a shutdown corner.

[jetvilma51]

Andre Dyson is a good corner and will start next year no doubt and be our number 1 because of lack of a better number 1, but trust me, he's not a shutdown corner.

he shuts down the number 1 reciver on almost every team we play and he is a great player but still us drafting a corner in the first round is doubtfull

[Zim3031]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.

Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!
When is this obsession with corner's going to end? For the past six quarters the Jets starting corners have been Hank Poteat and David Barrett, and they have flat out dominated! It's a matter of getting pressure within the front seven, since there are no true cover corners anymore outside of Bailey who developed with the old rules. We use a zone system much like the Patriots who never take defensive backs high. Why? Because all you need is a bunch of roleplayers from Oklahoma who have played zone before.

We need to add a rushbacker, and we need to add someone along the defensive line (whether it's Robertson to end, or drafting an end and Robertson to nose tackle). Von Oelhoffen is awful. Run at him and you're assured five yards.

We need to solidify our offensive line with either another guard or tackle on the right side, and maybe a guard late to potentially replace Pete Kendall in a year or two.

Ok, well your comment on the CB's is just flat out stupid. All of the top teams have 1 dominant CB. And in fact, the one example you gave, the Patriots, have a CB with the most picks in the league, so the fact that you think we just need "role players" is wrong. As for your comment on David Barret and Hank Poteat, that's just stupid. Poteat does nothing really and Barrett is our worst CB who gives up too many plays.

As for you other two "comments" I adressed those needs in the mock, so I'm not sure why you even said anything?

What exactly do you mean? the Patriots corner whom you commented on was a fourth round selection that was molded under our current coach to fit their system. He's not a dominant shutdown corner he's a versatile player that fit their system. This defense isn't about leaving a dominant corner man to man every play. There's a reason that the patriots won those superbowls when Troy Brown was playing as a nickelback.

And once again, I'm not sure what you mean when you say Barret and Poteat weren't effective last week or even any week for that matter. In spite of our constant need to bring extra blitzers (even defensive backs on a large majority of plays) we gave up virtually no big plays. Heck David Barret even forced a fumble. Drew Coleman is our worst corner, followed by Justin Miller. Those guys are the ones giving up plays and stupid penalties.

The Jets needs lie in their front seven, Kimo clearly needs to go and can we get a MLB that doesn't get pused 5 yards back on any contact?

[jets future]

scott wright might list us as our number 1 need but i dont think its a first round need, but hey guys u remeber some of u guys thought that deangelo williams szhould have been our pick in the first round, last year around this time of the year. and like u guys were saying that we dnt need da brick cus we got adrian jones. who knows right now what we reallly need.

[josh07039]

Corner is a big need, but id rather not take a corner in the first round. Id much rather improve the D-Line or get a rush lb. However the Mccauley pick in the first is not something I am upset with.

[hcbrad08]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.


Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!
When is this obsession with corner's going to end? For the past six quarters the Jets starting corners have been Hank Poteat and David Barrett, and they have flat out dominated! It's a matter of getting pressure within the front seven, since there are no true cover corners anymore outside of Bailey who developed with the old rules. We use a zone system much like the Patriots who never take defensive backs high. Why? Because all you need is a bunch of roleplayers from Oklahoma who have played zone before.

We need to add a rushbacker, and we need to add someone along the defensive line (whether it's Robertson to end, or drafting an end and Robertson to nose tackle). Von Oelhoffen is awful. Run at him and you're assured five yards.

We need to solidify our offensive line with either another guard or tackle on the right side, and maybe a guard late to potentially replace Pete Kendall in a year or two.

Ok, well your comment on the CB's is just flat out stupid. All of the top teams have 1 dominant CB. And in fact, the one example you gave, the Patriots, have a CB with the most picks in the league, so the fact that you think we just need "role players" is wrong. As for your comment on David Barret and Hank Poteat, that's just stupid. Poteat does nothing really and Barrett is our worst CB who gives up too many plays.

As for you other two "comments" I adressed those needs in the mock, so I'm not sure why you even said anything?

What exactly do you mean? the Patriots corner whom you commented on was a fourth round selection that was molded under our current coach to fit their system. He's not a dominant shutdown corner he's a versatile player that fit their system. This defense isn't about leaving a dominant corner man to man every play. There's a reason that the patriots won those superbowls when Troy Brown was playing as a nickelback.

And once again, I'm not sure what you mean when you say Barret and Poteat weren't effective last week or even any week for that matter. In spite of our constant need to bring extra blitzers (even defensive backs on a large majority of plays) we gave up virtually no big plays. Heck David Barret even forced a fumble. Drew Coleman is our worst corner, followed by Justin Miller. Those guys are the ones giving up plays and stupid penalties.

The Jets needs lie in their front seven, Kimo clearly needs to go and can we get a MLB that doesn't get pused 5 yards back on any contact?


The CB situation can be addressed in the 2nd round with an all around cb who does everything right but nothing spectacular. in a 3-4 you cant have a ballhawk you need a guy who plays good man and better zone but more importantly both well. As for the comment about Kimo it is very true he needs to go. The comment about the ILBs getting pushed back is bad, its NOT THEIR FAULT! Ray Lewis arguably one of the best LBs in football over the past 10 yrs said last year the Ravens needed a big guy up front so he wouldn't be blocked out by guards and tackles. which is why they drafted haloti ngata last year in the first and their Defense has played so much better in the 3-4. Vilma is great in a 4-3 despite the DL but to make Vilma great in the 3-4 just like with Ray Lewis or anyone else you need big DL especially a NT who commands 2 blockers so one ILB can eat up a block in his gap responsibility and the other can make the play. Which is why I like Okoye, Okam, Soliai, or Doughty as one of our picks this year. NOT CARRIKER whos cotton bowl was bland and hes a bad fit for our 3-4 not a 3-4 in general but with the cogs we have. I don't care who they draft they know who they need I would love something sexy like marshawn lynch, jeff smar., and amobi okoye with marcus mccauley falling drastically to the 3rd round but its not going to happen. Whoever THIS NEW Jets organization drafts I'll trust it. I know what I want for the Jets but I think they know whats best. JETS V PATS. JETS RECORD IN GILLETTE THIS YEAR 1-0. YEA BOY! J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS.

[derza222]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.

Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!

I'm not a big fan of choosing McCauley, he's a great physical specimen and has a ton of potential but really played poorly this year and I'd rather look at a guy with pretty good measurables who produced well in college and can play some zone, second or third round guy.

I'd like Blalock in the first, but I don't see us going with a rush linebacker after signing Bryan Thomas to the extension. He's been playing well and I really think we go in a different direction with our first roudn pick.

Don't see Okam playing NT in a 3-4 because he's too tall at around 6'5.

Guard would be nice and a right tackle is a need as well.

Overall I think we need to beef up on the defensive line and maybe get a thumper against the run at ILB, and improve our offensive line a bit. A do everything corner could get a look as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if we looked at a TE, WR, or RB fairly early.[/code]

[AMJets]

Nothing spectacular, my first mock of the season, trying to get a feel for things again, so I'm startin off small.

First Rounder: CB, Marcus McCauley: I'm not gunna be getting a lot of love for this pick, but it's the right move. The Jets have not had a playmaking, true number one CB since...well....to be honest, I can't remember. McCauley is a force on defense, a great physical specimen with speed to take it to the house at any time. He's a strong run defense presence and a player with top intangibles. He has the utmost body control and reminds me a lot of Ty Law. David Barret's garbage, Justin Miller gives up too many plays, and Andre Dyson's aging a bit (though still good) and the Jets need someone to compliment their dominant Safety duo.

Other Possibilities: If Quinn Pitcock, Gaines Adams, or Quinten Moses drop, don't be surprised if one of them's picked up ahead of Marcus. Victor Abiamiri is another strong possibility, but Thomas has really made a name for himself and will continue to get sacks, and Hobson's looked really strong in his own right. If Justin Blalack drops he will be taken. If they think can convert Levi Brown to LG, he's a strong possibility as well.

1st Second Rounder: NT, Frank Okam: While having a better yea than last year, it is obvious that Dewayne Robertson's not who the Jets expected. Overal, the Jets run defense has been miserable and a big run stuffer such as Okam is really needed. Most call him a first round prospect, but there are so many first round prospects but not enough teams in need of an NT. Being that the Redskins sucked this year, they'll have a fairly early second rounder and can hopefully get Okam with it.

2nd Second Rounder: Arron Sears: His stock is soaring and the potential he has at either Guard spot is exactly what the Jets need. With Moore dissapointing lately and Kendell being old, the Jets need another Guard to complete their near dominant line of the future. Sears is extremely strong, yet agile and intelligent and able to get to the second level easily. He's very disciplined and a true Mangini player.

More to come later!
When is this obsession with corner's going to end? For the past six quarters the Jets starting corners have been Hank Poteat and David Barrett, and they have flat out dominated! It's a matter of getting pressure within the front seven, since there are no true cover corners anymore outside of Bailey who developed with the old rules. We use a zone system much like the Patriots who never take defensive backs high. Why? Because all you need is a bunch of roleplayers from Oklahoma who have played zone before.

We need to add a rushbacker, and we need to add someone along the defensive line (whether it's Robertson to end, or drafting an end and Robertson to nose tackle). Von Oelhoffen is awful. Run at him and you're assured five yards.

We need to solidify our offensive line with either another guard or tackle on the right side, and maybe a guard late to potentially replace Pete Kendall in a year or two.

Ok, well your comment on the CB's is just flat out stupid. All of the top teams have 1 dominant CB. And in fact, the one example you gave, the Patriots, have a CB with the most picks in the league, so the fact that you think we just need "role players" is wrong. As for your comment on David Barret and Hank Poteat, that's just stupid. Poteat does nothing really and Barrett is our worst CB who gives up too many plays.

As for you other two "comments" I adressed those needs in the mock, so I'm not sure why you even said anything?

The reason that Samuel looks as good as he does is because he fits the system that Belichick implements. He was a 4th round pick, anyway. There is a reason the Patriots never select a CB early in the draft, or spend a lot of money on them in free agency. They are interchangable in the system. It's why a journeyman like Poteat has played so well in recent weeks, the same with David Barrett. Like JV said, all a CB needs to do in the system is know how to correctly occupy a zone. The ability of the safeties to cover ground is far more important for a Belichick/Mangini secondary.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

The cornerback situation doesn't need to be addressed until atleast the third, because it's not really an issue. Not every team has a number one, so you're comments are flat out stupid.

Hank Poteat has let up a combined eighty yards over the past three weeks and has consistantly been in the game every play. Don't tell me I'm wrong, because I have these games taped. He let up twelve yards on one catch in Minnesota, and the other two games were about an equal 30-35 yards. Anyone who thinks our secondary has been the problem is crazy. It's been our pressure up front, and we don't defend the pass when teams pickup our blitzes like most teams have been doing.

The Patriots rely on journeyman like Chad Scott, and started an undrafted rookie in Randall *** in the Superbowl and he did the job. You're telling me that in the same system we use as the Patriots that we use, we need another corner? Give me a break, bud. The Superbowl Steelers use a similar system and you know what Cowher said he needed in corners? Guys who can support the run and tackle. This being a coach who has run a 3-4 for fifteen years. All the coverage in our system and almost all 3-4's outside of Dallas, is put on the shoulders of the safeties. And so far they have produced.

You need to go back and watch some film if you think the Pats have premiere corners, and every team has a number one. Look at the teams that do... Carolina has Ken Lucas and Chris Gamble; can't stop anyone because they can't get pressure on the quarterback. Most premiere cornerbacks aren't even on playoff teams, because those teams can't pressure the passer. Your DeAngelo Hall's, Champ Bailey, Shawn Springs, Dre Bly, Chris Gamble, etc.

[JETS5128]

I like the sears pick, but Okam is too tall to play NT. MCcauley is an OK pick, he obviously has loads of potential but if last draft was an indicator Tangini want productive and sound players, no boom or busts.

Today i was amazed with the play of Levi Brown. I only got to watch the first half but i counted 5 pancakes (2 on the very first play of the game). He was the source of all of Hunts big runs, whether he was pulling or down blocking or sealing the edge. He was absolutely flawless and i think he could make a great RT for us. However, i doubt he will be available for when we pick, thoughts?

[jets future]

I like the sears pick, but Okam is too tall to play NT. MCcauley is an OK pick, he obviously has loads of potential but if last draft was an indicator Tangini want productive and sound players, no boom or busts.

Today i was amazed with the play of Levi Brown. I only got to watch the first half but i counted 5 pancakes (2 on the very first play of the game). He was the source of all of Hunts big runs, whether he was pulling or down blocking or sealing the edge. He was absolutely flawless and i think he could make a great RT for us. However, i doubt he will be available for when we pick, thoughts?
i think he lll be there, but i want lamar woodly

[jetsfan3]

I like the sears pick, but Okam is too tall to play NT. MCcauley is an OK pick, he obviously has loads of potential but if last draft was an indicator Tangini want productive and sound players, no boom or busts.

Today i was amazed with the play of Levi Brown. I only got to watch the first half but i counted 5 pancakes (2 on the very first play of the game). He was the source of all of Hunts big runs, whether he was pulling or down blocking or sealing the edge. He was absolutely flawless and i think he could make a great RT for us. However, i doubt he will be available for when we pick, thoughts?

Yeah, I watched him too. If he's there by our pick I hope we take him. I think that DE, OT, OG are more important than CB and we can get a CB later in the draft or next year.

[Young Nasty Man]

Honestly guys....there are positions i know we wont take rather then we would take. I know we aren't taking QB or Center. Besides that, I feel anything is a possibility. The thing is that it seems as if we dont have many holes becuase we are in the playoffs. Its more of the fact that we can use upgrades. Tell if you think these are some possibilities for the Jets drafting (no round is specified) and if you think anyone should be added to the list or not:

Brian Leonard FB/H-Back - Rutgers
Frank Okam DT/NT - Texas
Ombi Okoye DT/NT - Louisville
Anthony Spencer DE/OLB - Purdue
Justin Blalock OG - Texas
Michael Bush RB - Louisville
Marshawn Lynch RB - California
Adam Carriker DE - Nebraska
Levi Brown OT/OG - Penn State

Also, what do you guys think will be the outcome will be for sunday???

[jetsfan3]

Add Levi Brown to that list, I think he's a good pick if he falls.

[Young Nasty Man]

i said those are the two positions we specifically do not need

[Jonathan_VIlma]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

[JETS5128]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

[Young Nasty Man]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

you never know though, last year we drafted a lot of secondary when we had more needs. I think that any position is really a possibility except QB. We drafted our QB for the future last year (and depending on whether or not Schotty stays will show whehter he'll be the first real time qb out of oregon or an average starter). Also, I don think we will be drafting a Center, Left Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, and QB. Wide Reciever can go on that list but we will see what happens with Justin McCareins.

[JETS5128]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

you never know though, last year we drafted a lot of secondary when we had more needs. I think that any position is really a possibility except QB. We drafted our QB for the future last year (and depending on whether or not Schotty stays will show whehter he'll be the first real time qb out of oregon or an average starter). Also, I don think we will be drafting a Center, Left Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, and QB. Wide Reciever can go on that list but we will see what happens with Justin McCareins.

I would actuall say we should draft a WR, i'm not a fan of MCcareins at all

[Young Nasty Man]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

you never know though, last year we drafted a lot of secondary when we had more needs. I think that any position is really a possibility except QB. We drafted our QB for the future last year (and depending on whether or not Schotty stays will show whehter he'll be the first real time qb out of oregon or an average starter). Also, I don think we will be drafting a Center, Left Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, and QB. Wide Reciever can go on that list but we will see what happens with Justin McCareins.

I would actuall say we should draft a WR, i'm not a fan of MCcareins at all

You and I both. I mean hes got a great attitude and what not and tries hard. But he drops way to many balls..

[throwback54milkman]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

you never know though, last year we drafted a lot of secondary when we had more needs. I think that any position is really a possibility except QB. We drafted our QB for the future last year (and depending on whether or not Schotty stays will show whehter he'll be the first real time qb out of oregon or an average starter). Also, I don think we will be drafting a Center, Left Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, and QB. Wide Reciever can go on that list but we will see what happens with Justin McCareins.

I would actuall say we should draft a WR, i'm not a fan of MCcareins at all

You and I both. I mean hes got a great attitude and what not and tries hard. But he drops way to many balls..

speaking of dropping balls, Coles has dropped a lot in the last 2 games

but I digress....yeah, Mccariens is not the answer for the 3rd receiver, but I really think Brad Smith is- kid just flat out makes plays, he just needs to learn route-running better

and speaking of Brad Smith, i think he hasn't thrown once this season for this game, so the Pats won't expect it--he will throw this game

[Young Nasty Man]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

you never know though, last year we drafted a lot of secondary when we had more needs. I think that any position is really a possibility except QB. We drafted our QB for the future last year (and depending on whether or not Schotty stays will show whehter he'll be the first real time qb out of oregon or an average starter). Also, I don think we will be drafting a Center, Left Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, and QB. Wide Reciever can go on that list but we will see what happens with Justin McCareins.

I would actuall say we should draft a WR, i'm not a fan of MCcareins at all

You and I both. I mean hes got a great attitude and what not and tries hard. But he drops way to many balls..

speaking of dropping balls, Coles has dropped a lot in the last 2 games

but I digress....yeah, Mccariens is not the answer for the 3rd receiver, but I really think Brad Smith is- kid just flat out makes plays, he just needs to learn route-running better

and speaking of Brad Smith, i think he hasn't thrown once this season for this game, so the Pats won't expect it--he will throw this game

A great guy I can see the Jets drafting would be Steve Smith. He is quiet, he is a worker. He doesn't really have any specific talents but you always see him putting up stats. Last I checked, that fitts the Mangini mold.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

Wow Jets and Pats! This is gunna be friggin insane. My school is divided between Jets and Pats fans haha.

Anyway, my draft view.....

I honestly would not be surprised if we end up trading away our first round pick for future picks and another 2nd or something along those lines. I am really starting to come around on Leon Washington. I think over this offseason, we are gunna be working with him to be our no.1 guy with Houston as no.2. Curtis will probably just be an assistant and he will continue to mentor Leon. Our needs for this draft (in my view) are as follows
1. 3-4 DE or NT
2. RT
3. Pass Rusher (Smith or Spencer would be nice)
4. CB

I completely agree that OelHoffen is awful. Every time they run it to his side, the opposing team gains at least 5 yards. For RT, Clement is just awful so he needs to be replaced. If Jake Long and Sam Baker come out, we should be left with a good RT in the early 2nd. Just look at last year when Justice fell, we could get a steal. Pass Rusher would be someone to come in and just help get to the QB. Matt Chatham has done better than I expected him to, but we need more than him. We have no depth behind him. The CB thing is just someone we can get and hope they can progress nicely and become a no.2 guy. We also have to remember, there are a few FAs we may go after so this will definitely be an interesting offseason.

Now, enough about offseason, we aren't done just yet! This is a HUGE game and if we win, we can beat the Ravens but I do not know about the Chargers. LT will eat us alive haha

[hcbrad08]

JETS 2006

LT won't eat us alive he's great but if we get there and if they can win you never know with Martyball and a rookie starter at QB also our run defense has been stout the 2nd half of the season. Plus Schottenheimer knows about the Chargers and their offense and groomed Rivers as their QB coach, meaning he knows his and the offenses strengths and weaknesses. I don't know about the comment saying if we win this week we'll take care of the Ravens their D is scary. But we have to win this week in NE I really think they can do it. Mangini is a great coach and I think will pull out all the stops and have a great gameplan for the Pats who he knows so well as Belichick had him escorted out of the Pats facility and would not mail even personal belongings to him until the beginning of training camp for fear that Mangini would take Pats docs belongings to help him win. The Jets have played the Pats close all year and are a different team from the one that lost to the pats in the 1st half.
Prediction:
Jets win 20-17 on a game winning field goal from Mike Nugent. I love this new franchise and I think the draft will only make us better...

JETS 2007

Another Bold & Different Predicition:
The Jets will go after Michael "The Burner" Turner from SD to have that Thunder and Lightning combo of Leon Washington 5'10 205 a Cutback runner with big play ability and Michael Turner 5'10 235 who can run between the tackles, catch out of the backfield and block well when called upon to do so. He knows Schottenheimer's Offensive mentality from SD and could plug into the rotation and be more effective than Barlow and Houston (Barlow will be cut and Houston is undersized for a between the tackles kind of guy but will still contribute to spell Washington and Turner as a more than adequate backup/guy who gives the Jets matchup options week to week depending on the opponent) The Jets will give up a pick/ picks for Turner as he is a Restricted Free Agent but unlike franchise players those picks won't come until the 2008 draft.

(Now guys I'm just trying to find guys around where we have our picks that would fit mangini's mold. also it's a dream not a fact so don't hate explain what you would change. It's all for fun just tell me what you like and don't, I think this is somewhat reslistic for where we're headed and where we need to go tell me what you think is realistic. we're all Jets family here and I hope all these picks below can't happen bc we win this year and are picking 32nd)

2007 Picks (with explinations):

1)Amobi Okoye DT: he graduate college and he's 19! smart and hardworking (MANGINI'S M O) with the frame to gain more weight and get in bigger and better shape for NT position which would allow a college and 4-3 pass rushing DT like Dewayne Robertson to move his big frame to the perfect role of massive 3-4 gap shooting end.

2a)Adam Carriker DE: i think 1st round is a reach for carriker (name some drafts you've seen with him in the first round not going to the Jets I think it could happen and would be great) reaching is a fine line and I would love to see this happen with the 6th pick in the 2nd round, in getting okoye and getting carriker (despite a lot of hype recently) for Jets in the 2nd. With VonOlhoffen gone and if the Jets get Okoye they would need depth bc besides those 3 they need young depth and people who can play in multiple positions. If this happens consider the Jets blessed and set for a long time with Carriker a smart hard working player who would not have to come in and start right away but would provide breathers and more than just depth at DE but solid production and competition at the DL position in his rookie year.

2b)Johnnie Lee Higgins WR/ PR: gives the jets a fast wide reciever to add to productive but not big play wr's in cotchery and coles (they make them sometimes but this is a guy who brings that threat to the offense helping Coles/Cothcery production even more). he's tough has good hands is a great leaper (helps if pennington floats a ball) He could be Jets punt returner as we need leon washington to stay healthy and Mangini loves guys who can help "ALL 3 FACETS OF THE GAME". He plays above his potential and adds an elusive reciever with santana moss speed and coles after the catch moves. in high school he caught ran and play defense productively as well as being an honor role student. He's got lineage as his cousin is cb quentin jammer. McCareins will be gone in the offseason despite a late season semi-surge... Coles, Cotchery, Higgins, Smith (developing the position but looks good). Good set of 4 wr Jets rarely will use 5 always keeping a TE or RB back to protect Pennington.

3)Jonathan Wade CB: Great combo of size and speed and provides depth to a position not of need but of importance (needs depth). He needs to be coached up (who better than Mangini) but gives great effort, is phsyical and agressive and was a former WR could help the team in many ways. (good value pick)

5)Tony Ugoh RT: Good size and speed to play RT for the Jets and could also provide depth at guard (playing multiple positions for Mangini is a big thing). He play against great college teams at LT and paved the way for Darren McFadden all season and Felix Jones today in the Capital One Bowl helping an Jets OL that needs help with the run. RT in the NFL setting up a great foundation for the OL for a long time.

6)Mkristo Bruce LB: Born leader and great team player provides depth at DE / OLB position and can move inside and play all over. Played in the PAC-10 where there is a lot of pro style offense so he has experience and if his 40 improves he could be taken earlier but would be a Mangini / Tannenbaum type of guy can also contribute on special teams. "ALL 3 FACETS" (he;s got 2 but 2/3 aint bad)

7)Dustin Fry C: I know what you're saying Mangold is the man no reason to draft a Center and you're absolutely right. BUT...this guy would provide a nasty demeanor and help in the run game as well as depth at the OL position and he could play several positions and as many know many Cs often times translate into Gs in the NFL he would provide the lack of true depth the Jets have at C and G. Leaving the OL starters and backups to be...Ferguson, Kendall, Mangold, Moore, Ugoh, Fry, Teague (if he stays) and others but the main point is that you pull a Phil. Eagles and draft depth and have a young and impressionable foundation. (plus 6th / 7th rounds are impossible to pick for also not knowing what conditional and compensatory picks are going to be thrown around)


Last year was not sexy and I don't think this year will be any more vicotria secret esque. I like Mangini's philosophy of building in the trenches and playing like a team. I think all of these guys do that maybe there are more publisized prospects but I like these guys and think they can all contribute to a (no star) team like the Jets and will be like in a college recruiting class Mangini's players who he can develop into a superbowl team; this plugs some gaps and provides some depth. We're going in the right direction hopefully injuries and time don't screw us bc this is the most hopeful I've been in my 20 years as a jets fan

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Tony Ugoh is being talked about as a mid-late second round pick. It's usually guards that fall, not tackles.

I doubt that we go after Turner, especially considering that he's never been a feature back in his career. Three years of sitting, and look what happened to LaMont Jordan. These guys can't take the beating after essentially going without it for years.

While I like Higgins I think we have far bigger needs then receiver. An offensive lineman looks to be the pick there, or even a Brian Leonard type roleplayer in the backfield.

I like most of the draft, other then the second pick of the second round and the third pick. I think we really need a nasty blocking guard in either the second or the third, and I think both Higgins and Wade are luxury picks when we really don't have the starters along either line to be making these picks.

Bruce and Fry are excellent picks because they can both play multiple positions, and I see Fry as a guard anyway because he's not quick enough to play center. It'd be awesome if Ugoh fell, but I doubt he would.

Overall pretty good draft, I just think another blocker in the 2nd/3rd would make it complete.

[JETS5128]

I don't think that Lamarr Woodley is the pick for us at all. He's a better 4-3 end, after re-examining the way he rushes the passer. He's not an edge rusher at all, and while he's quick off the ball, he's not that fast off the edge. He uses a bullrush and would NOT be good on the contain that a 3-4 linebacker needs to maintain along the outside.

Give me Anthony Spencer. A player who always finds himself around the ball, or Adam Carriker on the defensive side of the ball. If the Jets feel these two will drop, then I think the only other picks are either Justin Blalock or Levi Brown; two dominating run blockers who will give the line more attitude.

I don't really see us taking a day 1 OLB cuz we just gave Thomas 5 years and Hobson an extension as well, maybe a late developmental guy (Brian Smith) 8) . But besides that we should add to both our lines

you never know though, last year we drafted a lot of secondary when we had more needs. I think that any position is really a possibility except QB. We drafted our QB for the future last year (and depending on whether or not Schotty stays will show whehter he'll be the first real time qb out of oregon or an average starter). Also, I don think we will be drafting a Center, Left Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, and QB. Wide Reciever can go on that list but we will see what happens with Justin McCareins.

I would actuall say we should draft a WR, i'm not a fan of MCcareins at all

You and I both. I mean hes got a great attitude and what not and tries hard. But he drops way to many balls..

speaking of dropping balls, Coles has dropped a lot in the last 2 games

but I digress....yeah, Mccariens is not the answer for the 3rd receiver, but I really think Brad Smith is- kid just flat out makes plays, he just needs to learn route-running better

and speaking of Brad Smith, i think he hasn't thrown once this season for this game, so the Pats won't expect it--he will throw this game

Against miami he was getting drilled as hard as i've seen, but in the raiders game he dropped 3 or 4, not his usual self

[nvot9]

JETS 2006

LT won't eat us alive he's great but if we get there and if they can win you never know with Martyball and a rookie starter at QB also our run defense has been stout the 2nd half of the season. Plus Schottenheimer knows about the Chargers and their offense and groomed Rivers as their QB coach, meaning he knows his and the offenses strengths and weaknesses. I don't know about the comment saying if we win this week we'll take care of the Ravens their D is scary. But we have to win this week in NE I really think they can do it. Mangini is a great coach and I think will pull out all the stops and have a great gameplan for the Pats who he knows so well as Belichick had him escorted out of the Pats facility and would not mail even personal belongings to him until the beginning of training camp for fear that Mangini would take Pats docs belongings to help him win. The Jets have played the Pats close all year and are a different team from the one that lost to the pats in the 1st half.
Prediction:
Jets win 20-17 on a game winning field goal from Mike Nugent. I love this new franchise and I think the draft will only make us better...

JETS 2007

Another Bold & Different Predicition:
The Jets will go after Michael "The Burner" Turner from SD to have that Thunder and Lightning combo of Leon Washington 5'10 205 a Cutback runner with big play ability and Michael Turner 5'10 235 who can run between the tackles, catch out of the backfield and block well when called upon to do so. He knows Schottenheimer's Offensive mentality from SD and could plug into the rotation and be more effective than Barlow and Houston (Barlow will be cut and Houston is undersized for a between the tackles kind of guy but will still contribute to spell Washington and Turner as a more than adequate backup/guy who gives the Jets matchup options week to week depending on the opponent) The Jets will give up a pick/ picks for Turner as he is a Restricted Free Agent but unlike franchise players those picks won't come until the 2008 draft.

(Now guys I'm just trying to find guys around where we have our picks that would fit mangini's mold. also it's a dream not a fact so don't hate explain what you would change. It's all for fun just tell me what you like and don't, I think this is somewhat reslistic for where we're headed and where we need to go tell me what you think is realistic. we're all Jets family here and I hope all these picks below can't happen bc we win this year and are picking 32nd)

2007 Picks (with explinations):

1)Amobi Okoye DT: he graduate college and he's 19! smart and hardworking (MANGINI'S M O) with the frame to gain more weight and get in bigger and better shape for NT position which would allow a college and 4-3 pass rushing DT like Dewayne Robertson to move his big frame to the perfect role of massive 3-4 gap shooting end.

2a)Adam Carriker DE: i think 1st round is a reach for carriker (name some drafts you've seen with him in the first round not going to the Jets I think it could happen and would be great) reaching is a fine line and I would love to see this happen with the 6th pick in the 2nd round, in getting okoye and getting carriker (despite a lot of hype recently) for Jets in the 2nd. With VonOlhoffen gone and if the Jets get Okoye they would need depth bc besides those 3 they need young depth and people who can play in multiple positions. If this happens consider the Jets blessed and set for a long time with Carriker a smart hard working player who would not have to come in and start right away but would provide breathers and more than just depth at DE but solid production and competition at the DL position in his rookie year.

2b)Johnnie Lee Higgins WR/ PR: gives the jets a fast wide reciever to add to productive but not big play wr's in cotchery and coles (they make them sometimes but this is a guy who brings that threat to the offense helping Coles/Cothcery production even more). he's tough has good hands is a great leaper (helps if pennington floats a ball) He could be Jets punt returner as we need leon washington to stay healthy and Mangini loves guys who can help "ALL 3 FACETS OF THE GAME". He plays above his potential and adds an elusive reciever with santana moss speed and coles after the catch moves. in high school he caught ran and play defense productively as well as being an honor role student. He's got lineage as his cousin is cb quentin jammer. McCareins will be gone in the offseason despite a late season semi-surge... Coles, Cotchery, Higgins, Smith (developing the position but looks good). Good set of 4 wr Jets rarely will use 5 always keeping a TE or RB back to protect Pennington.

3)Jonathan Wade CB: Great combo of size and speed and provides depth to a position not of need but of importance (needs depth). He needs to be coached up (who better than Mangini) but gives great effort, is phsyical and agressive and was a former WR could help the team in many ways. (good value pick)

5)Tony Ugoh RT: Good size and speed to play RT for the Jets and could also provide depth at guard (playing multiple positions for Mangini is a big thing). He play against great college teams at LT and paved the way for Darren McFadden all season and Felix Jones today in the Capital One Bowl helping an Jets OL that needs help with the run. RT in the NFL setting up a great foundation for the OL for a long time.

6)Mkristo Bruce LB: Born leader and great team player provides depth at DE / OLB position and can move inside and play all over. Played in the PAC-10 where there is a lot of pro style offense so he has experience and if his 40 improves he could be taken earlier but would be a Mangini / Tannenbaum type of guy can also contribute on special teams. "ALL 3 FACETS" (he;s got 2 but 2/3 aint bad)

7)Dustin Fry C: I know what you're saying Mangold is the man no reason to draft a Center and you're absolutely right. BUT...this guy would provide a nasty demeanor and help in the run game as well as depth at the OL position and he could play several positions and as many know many Cs often times translate into Gs in the NFL he would provide the lack of true depth the Jets have at C and G. Leaving the OL starters and backups to be...Ferguson, Kendall, Mangold, Moore, Ugoh, Fry, Teague (if he stays) and others but the main point is that you pull a Phil. Eagles and draft depth and have a young and impressionable foundation. (plus 6th / 7th rounds are impossible to pick for also not knowing what conditional and compensatory picks are going to be thrown around)


Last year was not sexy and I don't think this year will be any more vicotria secret esque. I like Mangini's philosophy of building in the trenches and playing like a team. I think all of these guys do that maybe there are more publisized prospects but I like these guys and think they can all contribute to a (no star) team like the Jets and will be like in a college recruiting class Mangini's players who he can develop into a superbowl team; this plugs some gaps and provides some depth. We're going in the right direction hopefully injuries and time don't screw us bc this is the most hopeful I've been in my 20 years as a jets fan

Very nice layout, good work. I have some dislikes though. I would love going for Turner, that would be an awesome move and would add an destructive element (for defenses) to our team. However, I don't know what would then happen to Cedric Houston and Kevin Barlow. And VIlma, I really don't like your excuse for us not going for Turner, because as far as I'm concerned, every damn RB in the NFL would not be the feature back playing in SD behind LT. As for the mock, I really don't like it. Love the Okoye pick, he's got a lot of talent and I'd love him as our NT. I hate the Carriker pick. We need a guy like Carriker, but there's no way we go DL with our first two picks, we would just move Dewayne over to DE. I hate the Higgins pick too, I honestly have no idea why you think we would take a WR period let alone so early. Our wideouts have been the reason of our success, Coles is one of the toughest and fastest WR's in the NFL and Cotchery is one of the best up and coming WR's so why draft another when our two starting WR's, who combined for nearly 2000 yards , not to mention Brad Smith.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

I think part of Coles drop problems as of late has to do with the places where he's catching the ball; over the middle, and exposed to the defenders. The hit he took from Zach Thomas may have scarred him mentally the past two weeks, not in the fact that he's not tough or he's doing it on purpose, but the fact that he struggles to concentrate, since he's anticipating being hit.

[JETS5128]

JETS 2006

LT won't eat us alive he's great but if we get there and if they can win you never know with Martyball and a rookie starter at QB also our run defense has been stout the 2nd half of the season. Plus Schottenheimer knows about the Chargers and their offense and groomed Rivers as their QB coach, meaning he knows his and the offenses strengths and weaknesses. I don't know about the comment saying if we win this week we'll take care of the Ravens their D is scary. But we have to win this week in NE I really think they can do it. Mangini is a great coach and I think will pull out all the stops and have a great gameplan for the Pats who he knows so well as Belichick had him escorted out of the Pats facility and would not mail even personal belongings to him until the beginning of training camp for fear that Mangini would take Pats docs belongings to help him win. The Jets have played the Pats close all year and are a different team from the one that lost to the pats in the 1st half.
Prediction:
Jets win 20-17 on a game winning field goal from Mike Nugent. I love this new franchise and I think the draft will only make us better...

JETS 2007

Another Bold & Different Predicition:
The Jets will go after Michael "The Burner" Turner from SD to have that Thunder and Lightning combo of Leon Washington 5'10 205 a Cutback runner with big play ability and Michael Turner 5'10 235 who can run between the tackles, catch out of the backfield and block well when called upon to do so. He knows Schottenheimer's Offensive mentality from SD and could plug into the rotation and be more effective than Barlow and Houston (Barlow will be cut and Houston is undersized for a between the tackles kind of guy but will still contribute to spell Washington and Turner as a more than adequate backup/guy who gives the Jets matchup options week to week depending on the opponent) The Jets will give up a pick/ picks for Turner as he is a Restricted Free Agent but unlike franchise players those picks won't come until the 2008 draft.

(Now guys I'm just trying to find guys around where we have our picks that would fit mangini's mold. also it's a dream not a fact so don't hate explain what you would change. It's all for fun just tell me what you like and don't, I think this is somewhat reslistic for where we're headed and where we need to go tell me what you think is realistic. we're all Jets family here and I hope all these picks below can't happen bc we win this year and are picking 32nd)

2007 Picks (with explinations):

1)Amobi Okoye DT: he graduate college and he's 19! smart and hardworking (MANGINI'S M O) with the frame to gain more weight and get in bigger and better shape for NT position which would allow a college and 4-3 pass rushing DT like Dewayne Robertson to move his big frame to the perfect role of massive 3-4 gap shooting end.

2a)Adam Carriker DE: i think 1st round is a reach for carriker (name some drafts you've seen with him in the first round not going to the Jets I think it could happen and would be great) reaching is a fine line and I would love to see this happen with the 6th pick in the 2nd round, in getting okoye and getting carriker (despite a lot of hype recently) for Jets in the 2nd. With VonOlhoffen gone and if the Jets get Okoye they would need depth bc besides those 3 they need young depth and people who can play in multiple positions. If this happens consider the Jets blessed and set for a long time with Carriker a smart hard working player who would not have to come in and start right away but would provide breathers and more than just depth at DE but solid production and competition at the DL position in his rookie year.

2b)Johnnie Lee Higgins WR/ PR: gives the jets a fast wide reciever to add to productive but not big play wr's in cotchery and coles (they make them sometimes but this is a guy who brings that threat to the offense helping Coles/Cothcery production even more). he's tough has good hands is a great leaper (helps if pennington floats a ball) He could be Jets punt returner as we need leon washington to stay healthy and Mangini loves guys who can help "ALL 3 FACETS OF THE GAME". He plays above his potential and adds an elusive reciever with santana moss speed and coles after the catch moves. in high school he caught ran and play defense productively as well as being an honor role student. He's got lineage as his cousin is cb quentin jammer. McCareins will be gone in the offseason despite a late season semi-surge... Coles, Cotchery, Higgins, Smith (developing the position but looks good). Good set of 4 wr Jets rarely will use 5 always keeping a TE or RB back to protect Pennington.

3)Jonathan Wade CB: Great combo of size and speed and provides depth to a position not of need but of importance (needs depth). He needs to be coached up (who better than Mangini) but gives great effort, is phsyical and agressive and was a former WR could help the team in many ways. (good value pick)

5)Tony Ugoh RT: Good size and speed to play RT for the Jets and could also provide depth at guard (playing multiple positions for Mangini is a big thing). He play against great college teams at LT and paved the way for Darren McFadden all season and Felix Jones today in the Capital One Bowl helping an Jets OL that needs help with the run. RT in the NFL setting up a great foundation for the OL for a long time.

6)Mkristo Bruce LB: Born leader and great team player provides depth at DE / OLB position and can move inside and play all over. Played in the PAC-10 where there is a lot of pro style offense so he has experience and if his 40 improves he could be taken earlier but would be a Mangini / Tannenbaum type of guy can also contribute on special teams. "ALL 3 FACETS" (he;s got 2 but 2/3 aint bad)

7)Dustin Fry C: I know what you're saying Mangold is the man no reason to draft a Center and you're absolutely right. BUT...this guy would provide a nasty demeanor and help in the run game as well as depth at the OL position and he could play several positions and as many know many Cs often times translate into Gs in the NFL he would provide the lack of true depth the Jets have at C and G. Leaving the OL starters and backups to be...Ferguson, Kendall, Mangold, Moore, Ugoh, Fry, Teague (if he stays) and others but the main point is that you pull a Phil. Eagles and draft depth and have a young and impressionable foundation. (plus 6th / 7th rounds are impossible to pick for also not knowing what conditional and compensatory picks are going to be thrown around)


Last year was not sexy and I don't think this year will be any more vicotria secret esque. I like Mangini's philosophy of building in the trenches and playing like a team. I think all of these guys do that maybe there are more publisized prospects but I like these guys and think they can all contribute to a (no star) team like the Jets and will be like in a college recruiting class Mangini's players who he can develop into a superbowl team; this plugs some gaps and provides some depth. We're going in the right direction hopefully injuries and time don't screw us bc this is the most hopeful I've been in my 20 years as a jets fan

Not a big fan of the Carriker and Higgins picks. With Okoye, D-Rob would move to end and we still have ellis at the other spot. I am also not that impressed with Carriker. I like the idea of adding a playmaker with higgins, but there are better picks at that spot and with pennington at QB you wonder what good a deep threat does.

I definetly like the turner pick up. Leon is the perfect compliment to him. Leon is a quick, elusive outside/cutback runner, while Turner is a tough between the tackles straight line runner with tremendous straight line speed. The question is what it will take to get him.

People who use Jordan as an example a back up becoming a starter in a bad way are crazy. He had 1000 yards rushing and 500 recieving last year and handled 272 carries. If Turner did that i would be more than happy

[throwback54milkman]

just saw that Donnie Henderson got the boot from Detroit

I feel bad for the guy, who was turning out to be a great coordinator with the Jets 2 seasons ago. If nobody else offers him a job, I would love to see him back with the Jets (not as coordinator, but another defensive assistant)--Vilma had his best season with Henderson, and the Jets defense was very good that season. Even though they are playing in the 3-4 now, he must know the personel on D very well.

[JETS5128]

just saw that Donnie Henderson got the boot from Detroit

I feel bad for the guy, who was turning out to be a great coordinator with the Jets 2 seasons ago. If nobody else offers him a job, I would love to see him back with the Jets (not as coordinator, but another defensive assistant)--Vilma had his best season with Henderson, and the Jets defense was very good that season. Even though they are playing in the 3-4 now, he must know the personel on D very well.

Donnie was really good, i hope he gets a job elsewhere

[Young Nasty Man]

just saw that Donnie Henderson got the boot from Detroit

I feel bad for the guy, who was turning out to be a great coordinator with the Jets 2 seasons ago. If nobody else offers him a job, I would love to see him back with the Jets (not as coordinator, but another defensive assistant)--Vilma had his best season with Henderson, and the Jets defense was very good that season. Even though they are playing in the 3-4 now, he must know the personel on D very well.

Donnie will no doubt in my mind get a job somewhere. He was and still is a great coordinator. Detroit is a terrible franchise and Detroit was lucky to do the work that Donnie was going to do when he had the opportunity which is leave. I wont be surprised if he winds up in KC.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Not a big fan of the Carriker and Higgins picks. With Okoye, D-Rob would move to end and we still have ellis at the other spot. I am also not that impressed with Carriker. I like the idea of adding a playmaker with higgins, but there are better picks at that spot and with pennington at QB you wonder what good a deep threat does.

I definetly like the turner pick up. Leon is the perfect compliment to him. Leon is a quick, elusive outside/cutback runner, while Turner is a tough between the tackles straight line runner with tremendous straight line speed. The question is what it will take to get him.

People who use Jordan as an example a back up becoming a starter in a bad way are crazy. He had 1000 yards rushing and 500 recieving last year and handled 272 carries. If Turner did that i would be more than happy
The problem is, Jordan wasn't healthy last year, and he couldn't stay healthy this year. I don't want to give up anything big for Turner, because he's not going to be a feature back. I like the idea of using him and Leon, but he'll never be a starter in this league.

The problem with Henderson was that he had too much fire. It's good to yell and scream at your players in order to motivate them, but that doesn't work for everyone. He didn't know how to manage players differently, he treated them all as dirt. There was an article that towards the end of the 2005 season, he supposedly quit during a Tuesday practice, only to return Thursday. That's not the way you want to coach, even though you do want to run rough camps. I don't think Mangini wanted to keep him regardless, the only other assistant he wanted was Heimerdinger, who didn't want to stay.

[nvot9]

Do the Jets have any potential compensation picks for this year's draft?

[throwback54milkman]

This is the response I posted to the Jets rookie evaluation this year:

New York Jets:

D'Brick- He has been great this year for a rookie LT. Yes, he's made some expected mistakes, but he really only had 1 bad game (Bills). He looks like he is a smart, very athletic tackle as we expected, and if he can eliminate those few bad plays he will be one of the best in the league. The perfect pick at #4.

Mangold- As well as D'Brick has been, Mangold has been better. He makes all the calls on the o-line, and brings a toughness to the Jets offense that they otherwise don't really have. Also he runs well downfield to block on screens and reverses, and rarely gets beat in the pass rush. I already like him better than Mawae.

Kellen Clemens- Ended up being a pretty bad pick even though he hasn't played, but it looks like they won't even need him. Obviously if Chad gets hurt and he steps in and is good then this will be great, but i guess it's uncertain. A CB like Richard Marshall or RB like Jones-Drew probably would have been better.

Anthony Schlegel- He's pretty bad, not a great pick- I guess there is still some potential.

Eric Smith- I like the way the safety has played, and he has actually seen some playing time. But again, the Jets don't really need a safety at all so not a great pick.

Brad Smith- Great playmaker when he gets the chance. Still needs to learn the new position better but I like his potential as 3rd WR or a flanker type guy.

Leon Washington- Runs very hard, and is very fast. Has been very surprising. I think due to his size, his potential is not very high, but can be a great compliment back for his career (3rd down type guy).

Drew Coleman- Not very good, lost the Bears game for us due to a missed tackle, but I guess you can't expect much from a 6th round CB.

And don't forget the Jets 3 most important rookies: Eric Mangini, Brian Schottenheimer (OC) and Mike Tannenbaun (GM).

Overall: B+ because of a poor 3rd round.

[nvot9]

Agree 100% on your evaluations on Mangold and D'Brick, but other than that imo you're way off.

Chad Pennington is 31 years old and still not the guy he was prior to his injuries. He's a true team leader, and molds the team together, but a TD/Int ratio of 17/16 isn't all that impressive. I don't see how you can say Clemens is a bad pick at all. He looked really good in camp and in the pre-season but didn't get a chance to play in the regular season because he's got a very good QB in front of him who keeps the team in line and makes the crucial throws, so...why mess stuff up and take him out? Kellen will see more time next year and a proper evaluation will be made, so where you call that a bad pick I still don't see.

I don't get your evaluation on Schlegel either seeing as he hasn't really played a lick. Again, he's got Kassell, Vilma, Barton, and even Hobson in front of him, he's more of a developmental guy and grading him in his first year is impossible to do, especially being he didn't play.

As for Leon Washington, I honestly am shocked to hear that from a Jets fan. SIZE MEANS NOTHING! I can't wait for the day when people learn that. IT's all about talent, and the kid's got it. It doesn't matter how big he is. He has been extremely impressive this year and will be much more than a 3rd down guy. At this rate, he's looking like he will be a guy who gets 15-20 carries a game. All I really need to do is to tell you about Tiki Barber and Barry Sanders. Sanders, arguably the best RB and NFL player ever is the same size as him, and Tiki is pound for pound less weight than Leon.

[nvot9]

Do the Jets have any potential compensation picks for this year's draft?

Just wanna make sure this is seen.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Do the Jets have any potential compensation picks for this year's draft?

Just wanna make sure this is seen.
They won't be announced until the end of free agency, when we see who we lose/sign. I doubt it's anything more then a late 7th rounder if anything.

We have the following picks:

1 - #26
2 - #37
2 - #58
3 - #90
5 - #148
7 - #218

The conditional picks aren't announced for a while though.

- Our fourth rounder is gone to the Kevin Barlow trade (it was conditional though, so it could change).
- Our sixth rounder is gone to Dallas for Sean Ryan.
- We traded our seventh round pick to Dallas for Pete Hunter way back when, and I believe we still owe them for that.
- We have a conditional draft pick from Detroit for Jon McGraw in the seventh.
- We receive a sixth or seventh round pick from Tampa Bay for Doug Jolley
- We owe Oakland an undiclosed draftpick for Bobby Hamilton
- We receive an undiclosed draft pick from Minnesota for Brooks Bollinger

[throwback54milkman]

i'd like the Jets to draft a guy like Steve Breaston, or that type player in the 2nd day, who can possibly play the slot and definately return punts.

[jetsfan3]

i'd like the Jets to draft a guy like Steve Breaston, or that type player in the 2nd day, who can possibly play the slot and definately return punts.

I agree, Tim Dwight is decent, but we can do better there. I don't want Washington or Miller there, because as explosive as they are, we need Miller for CB and KR and we have to save Leon if we want him to be our feature back.

[nvot9]

i'd like the Jets to draft a guy like Steve Breaston, or that type player in the 2nd day, who can possibly play the slot and definately return punts.

Eh, I think we're really set at WR and should go for depth in positions of need. Justin Miller sure as **** can't defend passes, so we should use him for what he's atleast good at...running back kicks.

[jetsfan3]

i'd like the Jets to draft a guy like Steve Breaston, or that type player in the 2nd day, who can possibly play the slot and definately return punts.

Eh, I think we're really set at WR and should go for depth in positions of need. Justin Miller sure as *********** can't defend passes, so we should use him for what he's atleast good at...running back kicks.

Not punts tho, that's where you can get popped and hurt badly.

[Young Nasty Man]

Do you guys think that D-Line or RB is a bigger need for us as of now? I mean I look at the team and both can be upgraded but are both doing well. Brian Thomas is having a great year moving from End to LB and LB to End. And you look at Kimo may not put up stats that are incredible but, he does his job and eats up blockers in the 3-4 and plays a big DT in the 4-3. And you look at our running game and see al these guys outplaying there roles. So what do you think?

[nvot9]

Do you guys think that D-Line or RB is a bigger need for us as of now? I mean I look at the team and both can be upgraded but are both doing well. Brian Thomas is having a great year moving from End to LB and LB to End. And you look at Kimo may not put up stats that are incredible but, he does his job and eats up blockers in the 3-4 and plays a big DT in the 4-3. And you look at our running game and see al these guys outplaying there roles. So what do you think?

That's an easy one...DL. RB is such a minor need...

[jetsfan3]

Do you guys think that D-Line or RB is a bigger need for us as of now? I mean I look at the team and both can be upgraded but are both doing well. Brian Thomas is having a great year moving from End to LB and LB to End. And you look at Kimo may not put up stats that are incredible but, he does his job and eats up blockers in the 3-4 and plays a big DT in the 4-3. And you look at our running game and see al these guys outplaying there roles. So what do you think?

D Line. I'm all for drafting the line, defensive or offensive. The offensive line makers it much easier for our skill positions such as RB and QB. The DLine and LBs makes it easier for our DBs because if we get pressure on the QB and make him throw it early, it makers our DBs life a heck of a lot easier.

[Young Nasty Man]

Do you guys think that D-Line or RB is a bigger need for us as of now? I mean I look at the team and both can be upgraded but are both doing well. Brian Thomas is having a great year moving from End to LB and LB to End. And you look at Kimo may not put up stats that are incredible but, he does his job and eats up blockers in the 3-4 and plays a big DT in the 4-3. And you look at our running game and see al these guys outplaying there roles. So what do you think?

D Line. I'm all for drafting the line, defensive or offensive. The offensive line makers it much easier for our skill positions such as RB and QB. The DLine and LBs makes it easier for our DBs because if we get pressure on the QB and make him throw it early, it makers our DBs life a heck of a lot easier.

I was jsut curious what you guys thought. Im A stronger believer of work inside out because I play offensive line for my school and I gotta have respect for my big boys in the trenches and I know whats its like toe playand get beat up and get back up and keep play 60 mins of football.

[throwback54milkman]

Do you guys think that D-Line or RB is a bigger need for us as of now? I mean I look at the team and both can be upgraded but are both doing well. Brian Thomas is having a great year moving from End to LB and LB to End. And you look at Kimo may not put up stats that are incredible but, he does his job and eats up blockers in the 3-4 and plays a big DT in the 4-3. And you look at our running game and see al these guys outplaying there roles. So what do you think?

D Line. I'm all for drafting the line, defensive or offensive. The offensive line makers it much easier for our skill positions such as RB and QB. The DLine and LBs makes it easier for our DBs because if we get pressure on the QB and make him throw it early, it makers our DBs life a heck of a lot easier.

I was jsut curious what you guys thought. Im A stronger believer of work inside out because I play offensive line for my school and I gotta have respect for my big boys in the trenches and I know whats its like toe playand get beat up and get back up and keep play 60 mins of football.

If the Jets drafted right offensive line in the first round, I wouldnt be entirely disappointed or surprised. And we would have the best Oline in the NFL for years to come, which = Pennington stays healthy and we run the ball well.

[Young Nasty Man]

We'd turn into a Kansas/Denver esque o-line minimizing sacks. But, How much longer do you think we are gonna keep Chad at QB becuase they are gonna give Kellen time to develope but I was only expecting 2-3 years and then they'd give Kellen an opportunity.

[jetsfan3]

We'd turn into a Kansas/Denver esque o-line minimizing sacks. But, How much longer do you think we are gonna keep Chad at QB becuase they are gonna give Kellen time to develope but I was only expecting 2-3 years and then they'd give Kellen an opportunity.

I'd say Pennington will start the whole year next year if healthy because of what he's done this year. Unless he really, really blows next year, then I don't think Kellen will see action until 2008.

[Young Nasty Man]

He's like a Phillip Hughes project the soon-to-be face of the organization. I think Kellen is going to be sick. As long as we have Brian for 3-years wtih Kellen, the sky is the limit for his potential. My reasoning: Drew Brees, Phil Rivers......

[frogstomp]

I still don't see Clemens being that great. I see him being a strong back-up and a mediocre starter.

[nvot9]

I really can't imaging Pennington starting all of next year. Assuming he has a season like he did this year, not horrible, but not pro-bowl talent wise, I would epexct Kellen to get the amount of time Vince Young did this year...

[Space Ghost]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

[jetsfan3]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

[nvot9]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a ******* amazing fit (added the extra "*******" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.

[Space Ghost]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a *********** amazing fit (added the extra "***********" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.

As a defensive end?

[derza222]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a *********** amazing fit (added the extra "***********" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.

I think he's a little short for a defensive end and light for a NT, I loved him earlier in the year but since he's dropped weight I think he's a better fit in a 4-3.

And personally I'd go with McDonald, seems like he produced better this year and has better measurables anyway, but that's just me. I don't think we'll pick either in the first unless they rise a ton though, probably go offensive line or just BPA (though not a QB or C).

[derza222]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a *********** amazing fit (added the extra "***********" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.

I think he's a little short for a defensive end and light for a NT, I loved him earlier in the year but since he's dropped weight I think he's a better fit in a 4-3.

And personally I'd go with McDonald, seems like he produced better this year and has better measurables anyway, but that's just me. I don't think we'll pick either in the first unless they rise a ton though, probably go offensive line or just BPA (though not a QB or C).

I lied, McDonald doesn't have better measurables, but for some reason I'd prefer him anyway. I wouldn't mind Carriker but McDonald just seems like he'll be a better pro to me for some reason.

[Vilma the Animal]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a *********** amazing fit (added the extra "***********" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.
I think he would be a great pick because of his upside. However, according to what I've seen (and of course its too early to tell) the Chiefs would probably jump on him if they ended the season picking ahead of us.

[throwback54milkman]

I really can't imaging Pennington starting all of next year. Assuming he has a season like he did this year, not horrible, but not pro-bowl talent wise, I would epexct Kellen to get the amount of time Vince Young did this year...

I disagree-- i agree with your assessment of Pennington, HOWEVER, he represents what the Jets are all about. Really smart, hard working, and knows the offense tremendously. If the Jets end up succeeding next year, I don't see them taking out the team leader, no matter how bad he is playing. Clemens would only be a regression in his first season, especially because he didn't play his senior year in college. I think he'll be pretty good, but he'll be riding the bench until the Jets are a bad team or Pennington gets hurt again.

[JETS5128]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a *********** amazing fit (added the extra "***********" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.

I think he's a little short for a defensive end and light for a NT, I loved him earlier in the year but since he's dropped weight I think he's a better fit in a 4-3.

And personally I'd go with McDonald, seems like he produced better this year and has better measurables anyway, but that's just me. I don't think we'll pick either in the first unless they rise a ton though, probably go offensive line or just BPA (though not a QB or C).

I lied, McDonald doesn't have better measurables, but for some reason I'd prefer him anyway. I wouldn't mind Carriker but McDonald just seems like he'll be a better pro to me for some reason.

I'd rather have Mcdonald too. Everytime i watched Carriker this season i've been un-impressesed.

About Okoye, i really think he can be an NT. He can still probably fir another 10-15 pounds on his frame and he seems very good at eating up blocks. Although coming out of college he will be better in a 4-3, I think down the road with proper training and coaching he can be a successful NT

[cowboysforever]

Go JETS!

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Okoye isn't that light for a nose tackle. Not every successful nose tackles have to be 40 pounds overweight. Two of the better noses in the game, Wilfork and Hampton are 325.

From what I saw in the first half, he played well, but he plays way too high. If he ever wants to be a 3-4 nose tackle, he needs to get much lower into the linemans abdomen and drive back, because he doesn't get pushed back, but he does get turned away from the play which is something that Robertson struggles with.

[nvot9]

What's the liklyhood that the Jets draft Brian Leonard?

[Young Nasty Man]

What's the liklyhood that the Jets draft Brian Leonard?

I wouldnt be surprised if they did. Im also kind of biased to that opinion becuase Im a Rutgers fan. But, we do need a fulll back and he looks he can do the job. Also, we kinda need an H-Back it looks like.

Brian Leonard
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 235 | 40-Time: 4.60

Official Bio

Strengths:
A terrific runner for the position with great balance and instincts...Displays good feet and is deceptively agile...Tough, strong and powerful and does not go down easily...An excellent receiver and route runner with good hands who can run after the catch and be a weapon in the passing game...Unselfish and is a hard worker with great intangibles...An above average and adequate blocker...Versatile and a terrific all-around player who will be able to help a team out in a number of ways.

Weaknesses:
A fullback / running back 'tweener who might not have a true position at the next level...Does not have great timed speed or quickness...Will struggle to turn the corner at the pro level and won't do much damage outside...Is not much of a big play threat...Is not a true lead blocker and can still improve in that area...Might need to bulk up, add some weight and get stronger...Stats were down in 2006.

Notes:
Really led the way for the Scarlet Knight program and helped put them back on the map...Took a backseat to Ray Rice as a senior but didn't complain and really contributed as a blocker and receiver...Has been compared to Mike Alstott and he might be the best fullback prospect to come along since the A-Train back in 1996.

Those things really show me that he can be the type of guy the Penguin is looking for. I mean im biased like i said before, but I think he would be a smart pick for the 3rd or 4th round perhaps.

[tishdog]

If we want to get Leonard it might have to be with the first pick in the second round. I have a feeling when he runs the 40. His draft stock will go up higher.

[nvot9]

Yea, I really think leonard would be our ideal selection, but it would have to be with one of our second rounders. I don't think we'd spend our first second rounder on him, but I can envision a package of Barlow (or Houston or something else) with their 2nd second rounder to move up in the second round to get Leonard.

[derza222]

If you guys were taking a 34 defensive end with where you are sitting now in the first round, and both Adam Carriker and Ray McDonald were available which one would you guys probably take?

Carriker

Yea, Carriker, but we wouldn't take him with our first round pick anyways.

What are your guys's thoughts about going for Amobi Okoye. I see it in a good amount of mocks and would really like it to happen. I didn't keep up a lot with College F-Ball this year, but based on Scott's analysis and what I hear about him, he seems like a *********** amazing fit (added the extra "***********" for necessary emphasis) and a true Mangini style player.

I think he's a little short for a defensive end and light for a NT, I loved him earlier in the year but since he's dropped weight I think he's a better fit in a 4-3.

And personally I'd go with McDonald, seems like he produced better this year and has better measurables anyway, but that's just me. I don't think we'll pick either in the first unless they rise a ton though, probably go offensive line or just BPA (though not a QB or C).

I lied, McDonald doesn't have better measurables, but for some reason I'd prefer him anyway. I wouldn't mind Carriker but McDonald just seems like he'll be a better pro to me for some reason.

I'd rather have Mcdonald too. Everytime i watched Carriker this season i've been un-impressesed.

About Okoye, i really think he can be an NT. He can still probably fir another 10-15 pounds on his frame and he seems very good at eating up blocks. Although coming out of college he will be better in a 4-3, I think down the road with proper training and coaching he can be a successful NT

I may be wrong but I believe he's slimmed down to about 290 this season, and with that loss of weight he'd need to gain around 20-30 lbs to be a fairly effective NT, and he'd need to work on technique too as I'd imagine he's fairly raw and doesn't have much experiecne in the 3-4.

[nyjetsfan15]

Yea, I really think leonard would be our ideal selection, but it would have to be with one of our second rounders. I don't think we'd spend our first second rounder on him, but I can envision a package of Barlow (or Houston or something else) with their 2nd second rounder to move up in the second round to get Leonard.

yeah but okoye can add some more weight he is only 19 or 20. he can beef up and play NT for the jets.

[nvot9]

Yea, I really think leonard would be our ideal selection, but it would have to be with one of our second rounders. I don't think we'd spend our first second rounder on him, but I can envision a package of Barlow (or Houston or something else) with their 2nd second rounder to move up in the second round to get Leonard.

yeah but okoye can add some more weight he is only 19 or 20. he can beef up and play NT for the jets.

Lol I wasn't talkin about first round...

But I agree, I'd really like Okoye.

[Young Nasty Man]

Okoye is another guy who would be great for us to have becuase he is still very young and he is really athletic. I see him also fitting the Eric Mangini Scheme....He is one of those guys who just an African Workhorse...

[AlexDown]

Chad Pennington was named comeback player of the year.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

I really can't imaging Pennington starting all of next year. Assuming he has a season like he did this year, not horrible, but not pro-bowl talent wise, I would epexct Kellen to get the amount of time Vince Young did this year...

I disagree-- i agree with your assessment of Pennington, HOWEVER, he represents what the Jets are all about. Really smart, hard working, and knows the offense tremendously. If the Jets end up succeeding next year, I don't see them taking out the team leader, no matter how bad he is playing. Clemens would only be a regression in his first season, especially because he didn't play his senior year in college. I think he'll be pretty good, but he'll be riding the bench until the Jets are a bad team or Pennington gets hurt again.
For NVOT9, Pennington is the starter until he loses it. If he pulls a Testaverde and not only struggles, but struggles to WIN GAMES, then he will be pulled. What Tangini did was perfect. They didn't invest in a high draft pick who they'd be pressured into starting; instead they took a good player in a good value spot.

People underrate how tough this offense is. It can only be run by someone as smart as Pennington. That's not to say that Clemens isn't smart, but it takes an awful lot to remember all the motions on particular plays. I think I've seen one play which is exactly the same, all year. That's the swing pass to Cotchery in trips. That's how much variation there is, and how big the playbook is.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

I really can't imaging Pennington starting all of next year. Assuming he has a season like he did this year, not horrible, but not pro-bowl talent wise, I would epexct Kellen to get the amount of time Vince Young did this year...

I disagree-- i agree with your assessment of Pennington, HOWEVER, he represents what the Jets are all about. Really smart, hard working, and knows the offense tremendously. If the Jets end up succeeding next year, I don't see them taking out the team leader, no matter how bad he is playing. Clemens would only be a regression in his first season, especially because he didn't play his senior year in college. I think he'll be pretty good, but he'll be riding the bench until the Jets are a bad team or Pennington gets hurt again.
For NVOT9, Pennington is the starter until he loses it. If he pulls a Testaverde and not only struggles, but struggles to WIN GAMES, then he will be pulled. What Tangini did was perfect. They didn't invest in a high draft pick who they'd be pressured into starting; instead they took a good player in a good value spot.

People underrate how tough this offense is. It can only be run by someone as smart as Pennington. That's not to say that Clemens isn't smart, but it takes an awful lot to remember all the motions on particular plays. I think I've seen one play which is exactly the same, all year. That's the swing pass to Cotchery in trips. That's how much variation there is, and how big the playbook is.

[frogstomp]

Chad Pennington was named comeback player of the year.

We nowhave one pro bowler and one CBPOTY... and a playoff team! :D

[jetsfan3]

Chad Pennington was named comeback player of the year.

We nowhave one pro bowler and one CBPOTY... and a playoff team! :D

And soon to have the COTY!

[nyjetsfan15]

Chad Pennington was named comeback player of the year.

We nowhave one pro bowler and one CBPOTY... and a playoff team! :D

And soon to have the COTY!

yeah mangini. :D

now lets beat the pats and hope the g-men lose and my season is complete. 8)

[throwback54milkman]

There are 3 keys to this weeks playoff game:

1) We must get a touchdown in the first quarter, preferably one led right down the field by the comeback player of the year himself.- We want to put some doubt in the Pats' mind right away.

2) Kerry Rhodes has to play an awesome game. We know that we're not going to stop Brady, but Rhodes is essential to at least containing him and stopping him from the key 4th quarter drive. Also, a turnover would be really really important to both shortening the field, and of course keeping them out of the endzone.

3) Limit the mistakes: very little penalties, win the turnover battle, no bad punts (1st Pats game), no missed field goals. I really think we are going to have to play a rather conservative game, and a field position one, at least until after halftime.


If these things happen, I like the Jets to go up to Foxboro and take care of the Pats 23-17.

[Young Nasty Man]

There are 3 keys to this weeks playoff game:

1) We must get a touchdown in the first quarter, preferably one led right down the field by the comeback player of the year himself.- We want to put some doubt in the Pats' mind right away.

2) Kerry Rhodes has to play an awesome game. We know that we're not going to stop Brady, but Rhodes is essential to at least containing him and stopping him from the key 4th quarter drive. Also, a turnover would be really really important to both shortening the field, and of course keeping them out of the endzone.

3) Limit the mistakes: very little penalties, win the turnover battle, no bad punts (1st Pats game), no missed field goals. I really think we are going to have to play a rather conservative game, and a field position one, at least until after halftime.


If these things happen, I like the Jets to go up to Foxboro and take care of the Pats 23-17.

Not just Kerry Rhodes, we need our defense in general. We have to stop their offense and cant let Tom Brady get comfortable in the pocket. He doesn't have any reliabel recievers anymore so we are going to have to shut down their Run Game and give Tom Brady pressure. Besides that I agree wtih what you say. We need to score right away and set the tempo. We gotta shake up their team and shake up their defense. We gotta come gunnin..

[BallinJets51]

It will be no problem for Pennington to throw all over the Pats for one reason. SS Harrison is not playing! Watch Pennington throw to WR Coles all day long.

[bakdafucup]

i think it is all on chad. if he has 0 or even maybe 1 interception. we will win. if he makes any more mistakes than that. were done.

[throwback54milkman]

It will be no problem for Pennington to throw all over the Pats for one reason. SS Harrison is not playing! Watch Pennington throw to WR Coles all day long.

don't be too confident, Harrison has missed a lot of time in the past two years, and their pass defense has not been terrible, but they are beatable. It's still Belicheck.

[FlutiesDropKick]

It will be no problem for Pennington to throw all over the Pats for one reason. SS Harrison is not playing! Watch Pennington throw to WR Coles all day long.

don't be too confident, Harrison has missed a lot of time in the past two years, and their pass defense has not been terrible, but they are beatable. It's still Belicheck.

Harrison being gone is more of a help for us if we can get Leon Washinston on the outside or throw to Baker and Ryan all day in the middle of the field. Harrison has lost a few steps but he is still a big hitter so now none of the recievers should be scared going across the middle though the Jets group is tough as it is.

[Twenty-Eight]

Imo the keys to victory

1. Constant pressure on Brady. Last time we played them, we were sending all kinds of blitz packages and we confused brady and thier o-line. It was a key factor in keeping brady in check all game and is a must if we want to win sunday.

2. Feed Houston the ball. When we beat the pats, Kevan Barlow had a huge day running inside. Houston is a huge upgrade over Barlow so i expect him to do much better running inside. It will also be huge to keeping brady and that offense off the field. Washington can be used in a decoy role and for screens + getting some carries to the outside.

3. Possession. We need to win the TOP battle, and not have turnovers. When we've turned the ball over this year we have had our worst game. No surprise.

I think we have a legit shot to beat them this sunday. Hopefully we use Brad Smith more this week. He brings so many aspects to our offense and helps to confuse defense. My predicition is 20-17 Jets. LETS GO JETS!!!

[tylaw24]

Imo the keys to victory

1. Constant pressure on Brady. Last time we played them, we were sending all kinds of blitz packages and we confused brady and thier o-line. It was a key factor in keeping brady in check all game and is a must if we want to win sunday.

2. Feed Houston the ball. When we beat the pats, Kevan Barlow had a huge day running inside. Houston is a huge upgrade over Barlow so i expect him to do much better running inside. It will also be huge to keeping brady and that offense off the field. Washington can be used in a decoy role and for screens + getting some carries to the outside.

3. Possession. We need to win the TOP battle, and not have turnovers. When we've turned the ball over this year we have had our worst game. No surprise.

I think we have a legit shot to beat them this sunday. Hopefully we use Brad Smith more this week. He brings so many aspects to our offense and helps to confuse defense. My predicition is 20-17 Jets. LETS GO JETS!!!

Good luck running up the middle. When the Jets beat the Pats last time, the D-Line was without Ty Warren. The Jets will try and run the ball down our throats and it wont work. Mangini will give up on the ground game and Pennington will air it out. Yes we are without Harrison, but we have been without him for many games this season and we still finished with a 12-4 record.


Pats 38 - Jets 14

Corey Dillon 2 rushing TD's . . . Brady 2 TD's . . Maroney 1 TD and a FG by Gostkowski.

[frogstomp]

Imo the keys to victory

1. Constant pressure on Brady. Last time we played them, we were sending all kinds of blitz packages and we confused brady and thier o-line. It was a key factor in keeping brady in check all game and is a must if we want to win sunday.

2. Feed Houston the ball. When we beat the pats, Kevan Barlow had a huge day running inside. Houston is a huge upgrade over Barlow so i expect him to do much better running inside. It will also be huge to keeping brady and that offense off the field. Washington can be used in a decoy role and for screens + getting some carries to the outside.

3. Possession. We need to win the TOP battle, and not have turnovers. When we've turned the ball over this year we have had our worst game. No surprise.

I think we have a legit shot to beat them this sunday. Hopefully we use Brad Smith more this week. He brings so many aspects to our offense and helps to confuse defense. My predicition is 20-17 Jets. LETS GO JETS!!!

Good luck running up the middle. When the Jets beat the Pats last time, the D-Line was without Ty Warren. The Jets will try and run the ball down our throats and it wont work. Mangini will give up on the ground game and Pennington will air it out. Yes we are without Harrison, but we have been without him for many games this season and we still finished with a 12-4 record.


Pats 38 - Jets 14

Corey Dillon 2 rushing TD's . . . Brady 2 TD's . . Maroney 1 TD and a FG by Gostkowski.

You lost whatever credibility you had with that prediction.

[nyjetsfan15]

does anyone else feel that if we have to trade up to get okoye, then we should do it.

[bakdafucup]

i dont think we should. i think as a whole...we are average to a little above average in every unit on the team with the exception of safety and receiver where we are very good. i would like to see us take whichever player drops too far. every year there is the player who was expected to be top 10-15 and is left sitting come the back end of the round. and whoever that is...i want that to be who the jets pick regardless of position unless it is one of the safeties which we just dont need.

[derza222]

i dont think we should. i think as a whole...we are average to a little above average in every unit on the team with the exception of safety and receiver where we are very good. i would like to see us take whichever player drops too far. every year there is the player who was expected to be top 10-15 and is left sitting come the back end of the round. and whoever that is...i want that to be who the jets pick regardless of position unless it is one of the safeties which we just dont need.

I agree in that I'd like us to take the top 10-15 guy that slips. However, the positions I wouldn't take are a little different. If we could pick up a LaRon Landry or Reggie Nelson to play next to Rhodes with the corners playing zone, we could have a dominant secondary. Just my opinion, I'm sure many of you will disagree and that's fine. I also wouldn't pick up a QB, C, or LT (although there probably won't be any LT's worth taking at the end of the first anyway) because of who we chose last year. A left guard or right tackle would be awesome, I think possibly the ideal scenario is Blalock falling down to us at our pick because he would really give our run game a shot in the arm. Rush linebacker isn't much of a need after signing BT to an extension, and I don't think I'd go with a ILB either because P-Willie is a smallish 4-3 style MLB in the Vilma mold so we wouldn't have any use for that, and I don't see another ILB worth taking in the first. I'd stay away from corner because the scheme we play doesn't really require elite corners. Wide receiver could be chosen but only if the player that slips down to us is really one of the best receivers in the draft and the only top 10-15 guy that slips down to us because this draft is so deep at WR we could find first round talent in the second or third. Also any DE or DT that doesn't have the potential to play line in a 3-4 should not be chosen. I really think we try and beef up our offensive line and our front 7 early this year. And if no top 10-15 guys that really fit us well slip to us, I definitely wouldn't be against a trade down. However, I'd really rather not trade up.

[tylaw24]

Imo the keys to victory

1. Constant pressure on Brady. Last time we played them, we were sending all kinds of blitz packages and we confused brady and thier o-line. It was a key factor in keeping brady in check all game and is a must if we want to win sunday.

2. Feed Houston the ball. When we beat the pats, Kevan Barlow had a huge day running inside. Houston is a huge upgrade over Barlow so i expect him to do much better running inside. It will also be huge to keeping brady and that offense off the field. Washington can be used in a decoy role and for screens + getting some carries to the outside.

3. Possession. We need to win the TOP battle, and not have turnovers. When we've turned the ball over this year we have had our worst game. No surprise.

I think we have a legit shot to beat them this sunday. Hopefully we use Brad Smith more this week. He brings so many aspects to our offense and helps to confuse defense. My predicition is 20-17 Jets. LETS GO JETS!!!

Good luck running up the middle. When the Jets beat the Pats last time, the D-Line was without Ty Warren. The Jets will try and run the ball down our throats and it wont work. Mangini will give up on the ground game and Pennington will air it out. Yes we are without Harrison, but we have been without him for many games this season and we still finished with a 12-4 record.


Pats 38 - Jets 14

Corey Dillon 2 rushing TD's . . . Brady 2 TD's . . Maroney 1 TD and a FG by Gostkowski.

You lost whatever credibility you had with that prediction.

I don't think its unreasonable at all.

[josh07039]

does anyone else feel that if we have to trade up to get okoye, then we should do it.I personally don't, but im sure there are people who would agree with you.

[hcbrad08]

Good luck running up the middle. When the Jets beat the Pats last time, the D-Line was without Ty Warren. The Jets will try and run the ball down our throats and it wont work. Mangini will give up on the ground game and Pennington will air it out. Yes we are without Harrison, but we have been without him for many games this season and we still finished with a 12-4 record.


Pats 38 - Jets 14

Corey Dillon 2 rushing TD's . . . Brady 2 TD's . . Maroney 1 TD and a FG by Gostkowski.
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People all year have been saying the Jets had a weak schedule and thats why we had the record we did the Pats only played two different teams than the Jets one of those teams the Browns the Jets should have had a chance to play in overtime bc the call on the baker catch was absurd so if you think about it the Jets though10-6 which is great after 4-12 could have easily been 11-5 1 win less than the Pats.


Ty Warren is Quest. and has only practiced in front of the media this week which tells me Belichick is fronting an injury.
close game no blowout

[JETS5128]

does anyone else feel that if we have to trade up to get okoye, then we should do it.I personally don't, but im sure there are people who would agree with you.

I don't want to either, i'd rather stockpile late round picks or picks next year than trade up

[josh07039]

ANother reason I disagree with trading up for Okoye is b/c I dont know that I really want him. Yeah I like the idea of drafting a 20yr old senior that the coaches can mold, but earlier I was watching the tape of the Rutgers Louisville game for like the 10th time and they mentioned hes only about 290 and I don't really know where he would fit in our Defense.

[JETS5128]

ANother reason I disagree with trading up for Okoye is b/c I dont know that I really want him. Yeah I like the idea of drafting a 20yr old senior that the coaches can mold, but earlier I was watching the tape of the Rutgers Louisville game for like the 10th time and they mentioned hes only about 290 and I don't really know where he would fit in our Defense.

Yeah, it's not like he's a perfect fit. If you're gonna trade up it should be for someone you really need and would love to have on your team. I don't see Okoye as a must have player like that

[WildDude]

Chad pennington is an amazing leader who always somehow finds ways to win barely even using his arm i have confident in him espically after he led us to the last two victories... OK i know it was miami and oakland but he showed us that he could perform when needed because one lost woulda been outta the playoffs

and btw that 20 year old senior could still be around by the third round- bottom line hes 20! noone will have the patience

[bakdafucup]

mid second if he falls bad at the latest. hes first round.

[Vilma the Animal]

Chad pennington is an amazing leader who always somehow finds ways to win barely even using his arm i have confident in him espically after he led us to the last two victories... OK i know it was miami and oakland but he showed us that he could perform when needed because one lost woulda been outta the playoffs

and btw that 20 year old senior could still be around by the third round- bottom line hes 20! noone will have the patience
No offense but that was a really, ill just say misguided, comment. I have no idea what your talking about. He has the potential to be a force and he already has shown flashes of excellence, definitely first round talent. So why wouldnt anyone "have the patience?"

[hcbrad08]

[quote=WildDude]
and btw that 20 year old senior could still be around by the third round- bottom line hes 20! noone will have the patience
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Amobi okoye graduated from college at 19 he placed into his grade after coming from Africa. there is no patience needed the guy is a beast and his age means he might not be as big as hes going to be but he's still going to be good. He's easily a 1st rounder for several teams if not the 1st DT taken bc in my opinion against top competition Alan Branch disapears. (ie Ohio State and USC: don't even try to tell me his fumble recoveries were a result of his great play he got lucky) Guys who play well against good competition like DBrick at the senior bowl last year are big picks

[GiantRutgersFan]

Hey. I was thinking about the 2006 Draft and would you guys have liked the Jets to have drafted Reggie Bush and Matt Lienart?

The Jets could have realistically done so.


They had Picks 4, 29, 35, and 71. They could have traded 4, 71, and this years first for #1 and drafted Reggie Bush. then they could have traded 29 and 35 for the Raiders or Lions pick and Chosen Matt Lienart.


Obviously with Penningtons strong play, no one will like this move, but its only a matter of time before he gets hurt again imo.

[AlexDown]

Hey. I was thinking about the 2006 Draft and would you guys have liked the Jets to have drafted Reggie Bush and Matt Lienart?

The Jets could have realistically done so.


They had Picks 4, 29, 35, and 71. They could have traded 4, 71, and this years first for #1 and drafted Reggie Bush. then they could have traded 29 and 35 for the Raiders or Lions pick and Chosen Matt Lienart.


Obviously with Penningtons strong play, no one will like this move, but its only a matter of time before he gets hurt again imo.

The Jets apparently were on the phones furiously trying to trade down to after the 4th pick the acquire the Lions 9th pick to get Leinart before the Cardinals but the Lions were not willing to trade.

I am very happy with how our draft went.

[josh07039]

Hey. I was thinking about the 2006 Draft and would you guys have liked the Jets to have drafted Reggie Bush and Matt Lienart?

The Jets could have realistically done so.


They had Picks 4, 29, 35, and 71. They could have traded 4, 71, and this years first for #1 and drafted Reggie Bush. then they could have traded 29 and 35 for the Raiders or Lions pick and Chosen Matt Lienart.


Obviously with Penningtons strong play, no one will like this move, but its only a matter of time before he gets hurt again imo.

The Jets apparently were on the phones furiously trying to trade down to after the 4th pick the acquire the Lions 9th pick to get Leinart before the Cardinals but the Lions were not willing to trade.

I am very happy with how our draft went.I am very happy with how our draft went, except for a few of our mid rounders, however, they might still develop.

[Vilma the Animal]

Hey. I was thinking about the 2006 Draft and would you guys have liked the Jets to have drafted Reggie Bush and Matt Lienart?

The Jets could have realistically done so.


They had Picks 4, 29, 35, and 71. They could have traded 4, 71, and this years first for #1 and drafted Reggie Bush. then they could have traded 29 and 35 for the Raiders or Lions pick and Chosen Matt Lienart.


Obviously with Penningtons strong play, no one will like this move, but its only a matter of time before he gets hurt again imo.

The Jets apparently were on the phones furiously trying to trade down to after the 4th pick the acquire the Lions 9th pick to get Leinart before the Cardinals but the Lions were not willing to trade.

I am very happy with how our draft went.I am very happy with how our draft went, except for a few of our mid rounders, however, they might still develop.
Agreed, great draft and even Eric Smith has exceeded my expectations getting some decent PT. I'd like to see Schlegel get into the mix in the future though.

[JETS5128]

Hey. I was thinking about the 2006 Draft and would you guys have liked the Jets to have drafted Reggie Bush and Matt Lienart?

The Jets could have realistically done so.


They had Picks 4, 29, 35, and 71. They could have traded 4, 71, and this years first for #1 and drafted Reggie Bush. then they could have traded 29 and 35 for the Raiders or Lions pick and Chosen Matt Lienart.


Obviously with Penningtons strong play, no one will like this move, but its only a matter of time before he gets hurt again imo.

The Jets apparently were on the phones furiously trying to trade down to after the 4th pick the acquire the Lions 9th pick to get Leinart before the Cardinals but the Lions were not willing to trade.

I am very happy with how our draft went.I am very happy with how our draft went, except for a few of our mid rounders, however, they might still develop.
Agreed, great draft and even Eric Smith has exceeded my expectations getting some decent PT. I'd like to see Schlegel get into the mix in the future though.

Yeah, i was very happy with our draft. although we could have had better talent with our 3rd rounders, smith is playing well and schlegel hasn't gotten any pt

[throwback54milkman]

GAMEDAY

J!-E!-T!-S! Jets! Jets! Jets!

[Zim3031]

It's chant time.


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JETS
JETS
JETS

[Vilma the Animal]

IM SO ******* PUMPED RIGHT NOW!!!!!! WE JUST GOTTA PLAY SOME DISCIPLINED J-E-T-S FOOTBALL AND I THINK WE'LL GIVE THE PATS A RUN FOR THE MONEY.

[jets future]

lets go jets
j-e-t-s jets jets jets

[AlexDown]

Play smart...

[josh07039]

Their D is cool so far, they are keeping everyone moving, coming from different spots, but gafney ****** us over.

[JETS5128]

God Damn, they had like, 5 3rd and 6+ yard conversoins on that drive

[nvot9]

If you guys are watching this game, then you will know why we need a CB first round. I don't care what the Patriots do, I don't care what other 3-4 teams do, the Jets need a shutdown corner, regardless of the D that they run.

[tylaw24]

God Damn, they had like, 5 3rd and 6+ yard conversoins on that drive

lol yeah :D

[jetsfan3]

If you guys are watching this game, then you will know why we need a CB first round. I don't care what the Patriots do, I don't care what other 3-4 teams do, the Jets need a shutdown corner, regardless of the D that they run.

Agreed 100%. All recievers are open at all times. That last touchdown by Brady pissed me off. We're still in this. We need another big play, a return touchdown or defensive touchdown. Vilma has got to make that play with the sack, god knows what he was trying to do. He had Brady lined up cleary for a definite sack and possibly a fumble. UGHHH.

[Zim3031]

If you guys are watching this game, then you will know why we need a CB first round. I don't care what the Patriots do, I don't care what other 3-4 teams do, the Jets need a shutdown corner, regardless of the D that they run.

That's because we're blitzing so many guys on every down. you can't expect to have your corners play aggressively when you blitz.

Now if we had a better front seven it would certainly appear differently.

[jetsfan3]

I hate Chad. His disability to get the Jets into the endzone is a big problem. There defense isn't good enough for there offense to settle for field goals. We need touchdowns in the redzone, not field goals.

[Zim3031]

Oh well. it was a fun season.

[JETS5128]

I hate Chad. His disability to get the Jets into the endzone is a big problem. There defense isn't good enough for there offense to settle for field goals. We need touchdowns in the redzone, not field goals.

The disability to get into the endzone was what cost us this game. But it's not all on chad. It is true that a QB with a big arm can squeeze the ball into tight windows in the red zone, but if the jets had a running game that would take alot of pressure off of chad. They wouldn't be passing on the opponents 4 yard line if they were able to pound it in. That is what needs to be adressed

[jetsfan3]

Oh well. it was a fun season.

Yes it was. The only bad thing about this year was that Pennington came back. That means he will be playing next year, which is not good. I hope to see Kellen next year, I really do.

[AlexDown]

Great season guys. I knew from the start that we had the potential to have the type of season that we had. I think the game was a lot closer then what the score showed, it just got ugly at the end when you have to score quickly.

I heard before that we have 28 million free in cap room to spend this year. Would you guys want to go after Asante Samuels?

I hope the Jets lock up Cotchery.

Great season.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Oh well. it was a fun season.

Yes it was. The only bad thing about this year was that Pennington came back. That means he will be playing next year, which is not good. I hope to see Kellen next year, I really do.
Your an idiot, buddy. Without him, this team is horrible, and it's evident because when he doesn't play they have a losing record.

This game wasn't his fault, it was our inability to stop New England when it meant something. The gameplanning wasn't that good.