New York Jets Discussion

[thetedginnshow]

Did someone say we gave up a lot for Sanchez? You sir are a joke.

In any case, I love him so I love it. If Nicks ends up being great for the Giants I'll be sad but eh. QB is more important than WR. Plus, I have a pretty good feeling we're going to go with Barden or Gilbert on the second day since Rex seemed to get close to Gilbert and Sanchez has done a couple workouts now with Barden. Maybe not though. I love the draft so far though, especially considering who was drafted after our second round pick position.

[Crickett]

In any case, I love him so I love it. If Nicks ends up being great for the Giants I'll be sad but eh. QB is more important than WR. Plus, I have a pretty good feeling we're going to go with Barden or Gilbert on the second day since Rex seemed to get close to Gilbert and Sanchez has done a couple workouts now with Barden. Maybe not though. I love the draft so far though, especially considering who was drafted after our second round pick position.

I'd be very happy if the Jets draft Ramses Barden, and I'd feel better about the Sanchez pick. I look at Barden as Brandon Marshall 2. Not that they're the same type of receiver, but a big fish in a small pond type of deal.

[LonghornsLegend]

I don't think you guys gave up much at all, 2 roster bubble guys, and Ratliff isn't needed if you draft Sanchez anyway...If you can find a way to pull in Barden then I love the draft so far.


I think Barden is a risk, but the fact that he's worked out with Sanchez before, and he offers some #1 WR potential that late, he's worth that risk to see what you have by next year.

[Hurricanes25]

Crickett, I agree with you. If we draft Barden or even Murphy, Ill feel a lot better with the selection of Sanchez.

[Crickett]

I don't think you guys gave up much at all, 2 roster bubble guys, and Ratliff isn't needed if you draft Sanchez anyway...If you can find a way to pull in Barden then I love the draft so far.


I think Barden is a risk, but the fact that he's worked out with Sanchez before, and he offers some #1 WR potential that late, he's worth that risk to see what you have by next year.

Barden is a risk.


Going with Jerricho Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey and Brad Smith/Dave Clowney as your starting receivers is a bigger risk.

JMO.

[Hurricanes25]

Barden is a risk.


Going with Jerricho Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey and Brad Smith/Dave Clowney as your starting receivers is a bigger risk.

JMO.

Agreed. That would also kill our running game as the safties will be playing in the box.

[thetedginnshow]

Two things really hit home for me in Rex and Tannenbaum's presser.

On who Sanchez is…
TANNENBAUM: He lights up a room. The story that really resonated with me was bringing the receivers to Mission Viejo High School on a regular basis, running routes and working on things. He washed their uniforms, took them to a water park and then to a barbecue. Rex always talks about building a team. Obviously that’s the reason behind moving training camp. Everything we do is about building a team. When I heard Mark say that, it really resonated with me because that’s not when the lights are on or when the media is around. That’s really who Mark Sanchez is. When I hear Rex say “play like a Jet” and the type of a person we want, I thought this player landed on all those spots on and off the field. As a general manager, you watch the tape, but you become more convinced in the position, the player, the person and say this is what the head coach wants and this is an opportunity to get a player. So, we felt this was a great fit.

That's what I always look at when dealing with the QBs. Especially in a situation like ours, I feel like the leadership and character is far more important than any physical traits they possess. That's why I wanted him or Troy. He just seems like a terrific guy.

On if playing in New York appealed to Sanchez…
I would definitely say so. It takes a person with certain confidence to play here. I don’t think he’s afraid of the big stage at all. Instead, I think he’s a guy that’s going to succeed wherever he goes, in my opinion, but the fact that it is here is great. He’s not afraid of that. He’s going to be successful.

That's how I've felt. That's why I felt like Clemens and Ratliff would have a hard time succeeding, being that they're not especially strong personalities coming from small towns.

[gpngc]

Best move in the draft I've ever seen.

[TimD]

Best move in the draft I've ever seen.

Yeah I agree.

we get:
possible franchise qb

we gave up:
2nd rounder
elam (3rd string safety)
coleman (possible de starter)
ratliff (if not traded, would be 3rd on the depth chart)

[gpngc]

Yeah I agree.

we get:
possible franchise qb

we gave up:
2nd rounder
elam (3rd string safety)
coleman (possible de starter)
ratliff (if not traded, would be 3rd on the depth chart)

And there was nothing at that 2nd round pick that would've been a good choice. No 3-4 DEs or quality WRs.

In my mind you gave up 4 backups to move up from 17 to 5.

[thetedginnshow]

I just realized all three runningbacks we've been talking about are still on the board as well.

[thetedginnshow]

There's a rumor going around that we tried to get back into the first to grab Harvin. Pretty interesting if it's true.

[jmess15]

There's a rumor going around that we tried to get back into the first to grab Harvin. Pretty interesting if it's true.


I heard that too, but we just didnt have the ammo.

I would really like us to address OL depth too today in addition to WR.

[okay123]

trading up to the top of the 3rd to get shonn greene was interesting. i thought we were taking jarron gilbert, but i guess not. this is similar to what we did with keller when baker was disgruntled about his contract since TJ hasn't reported to voluntary workouts yet.

[Crickett]

I heard that too, but we just didnt have the ammo.

I would really like us to address OL depth too today in addition to WR.

The Jets no longer have any more picks in the top 190. I think the WR ship has sailed. At this point, the best hope seems to be Matt Jones on the waiver wire. :(

Free agent WR's
Drew Bennett
Mike Furrey
Darrell Jackson
Matt Jones
Joe Jurevicius
Jerry Porter
Shaun McDonald
Koren Robisnon
Amani Toomer
Reggie Williams

[thetedginnshow]

Wow. We traded our 4th? Not good. Not good at all...

[derza222]

Wow. We traded our 4th? Not good. Not good at all...

Yeah that's really kind of disappointing. All we've got left is the 6th. I like Shonn Greene a lot but he certainly could have been available at 76 and we really need more picks still. I thought if anything it would make sense to move down, at least not moving the 4th. Guess the scouting department really did not like the draft very much this year.

[Crickett]

Guess the scouting department really did not like the draft very much this year.

I think its not that they didn't like this draft but rather this is the Jets draft philosophy now.

Last year the Jets had two picks in the first 110. The year before they had two picks in the first 175. They're just going to go get the two guys they want and not much else. Which is not something I agree with especially.

[thetedginnshow]

I don't know if you can say Greene would have been there at 76. He was certainly one of the most talented players left in the draft so if they like him, then it's the right decision. Rex said it wasn't even close for them, so provided that's the truth, it's good that they got him at a point where he couldn't be taken ahead of them. It's just disappointing for me from the standpoint that we're so good at drafting fourth rounders.

However, I'm convinced Greene will be great for three reasons:

1) Last name Greene.
2) He's from New Jersey.
3) LOOK AT HIS LEGS.

Oh and I know Rex was talking about the three-headed attack, but I hope we trade Thomas Jones.

EDIT: I'll add a fourth. His nickname is War Machine. How cool is that?

[Hurricanes25]

Im fine with Shonn Greene but we seemed to give up alot to move up.

[Crickett]

Im fine with Shonn Greene but we seemed to give up alot to move up.

As a prospect, Shonn Greene was the RB I wanted the Jets to get.

But I wanted a WR more. Louis Murphy is still on the board too. :(

[BroadwayJoe10]

I think the biggest thing to look at the Green selection is that they had all night to think about this. They had hours upon hours to decide whether selecting Green trumps our 3.12 plus our 4th rounder and obviously they felt so.

For what it's worth, Rex was on ESPN saying that Green was by far and away the number one person still on their board and that they were ecstatic to be able to land him.

He also said my new favorite phrase; GROUND AND POUND

[derza222]

I think its not that they didn't like this draft but rather this is the Jets draft philosophy now.

Last year the Jets had two picks in the first 110. The year before they had two picks in the first 175. They're just going to go get the two guys they want and not much else. Which is not something I agree with especially.

I think it's a little of both. That is certainly our philosophy, and I agree I don't like it very much. But at the same time, we could have traded 2010 picks to get these guys, particularly Greene.

I don't know if you can say Greene would have been there at 76. He was certainly one of the most talented players left in the draft so if they like him, then it's the right decision. Rex said it wasn't even close for them, so provided that's the truth, it's good that they got him at a point where he couldn't be taken ahead of them. It's just disappointing for me from the standpoint that we're so good at drafting fourth rounders.

However, I'm convinced Greene will be great for three reasons:

1) Last name Greene.
2) He's from New Jersey.
3) LOOK AT HIS LEGS.

Oh and I know Rex was talking about the three-headed attack, but I hope we trade Thomas Jones.

EDIT: I'll add a fourth. His nickname is War Machine. How cool is that?

I definitely love Shonn Greene don't get me wrong. It's just there are still a lot of things we need to address. Trading up for Greene is a huge vote of confidence for David Clowney IMO. If Clowney and Cotchery are a good starting duo, and that's a huge if although they compliment each other fairly well, we're in alright shape with Stuckey in the slot, Keller as a receiving threat, Smith doing some things, etc. Obviously we'll be running the ball a ton. But you have positions like defensive line, offensive line, tight end, wide receiver, that still need help.

I think we may see a lot of signings for those little depth spots right after the draft. Things where we decided we wanted a few vets at some positions but wanted to see what we could do after the draft and didn't want to show our hand early. But particularly the offensive line and tight end spots need a hell of a lot of work.


Any guesses at what we do with our final selection? I'm just going to guess that it's a tight end, but a lineman or really anything else is likely as well.

[Hurricanes25]

Ive said this before and Ill say it again. I dont like our WR situation at all.

[thetedginnshow]

I say our pick is BPA from the ACC.

[BroadwayJoe10]

I'm honestly not thrilled with our WR situation, but I'm not as worried as some i guess. Cotchery has already proven he can equal, if not exceed Coles' production and I would bet good money that if given the #2 or #3 spot, Stuckey can improve upon his 32 catches, 360 yards and 3 tds.

That was Stuckey's line in limited duty. In all fairness, no one thought Cotchery was going to be putting up 1000 yds and 6 tds a season as well until someone gave him a chance. Stuckey has the skillset to put up 800 yds and ~5 tds. I was all for giving our QBs a shot, but I'm more than thrilled with Sanchez and now I'm all for giving our WR's a shot to see what they can do.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh I hate the Patriots. Next year's draft will be loaded and they again have a ton of picks.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Touching on some things that were said.

I would rather give up a pick in this draft versus 2010 draft for the move up. I never like giving future picks because you don't know what will be there. This isn't necessarily a deep draft, so getting 2 guys that you feel were in the higher tiers is fine by me.

They obviously felt very strongly about the 2 guys that they got, which is exactly what you want. I'd rater get 2 guys you really like and truely feel are worth moving up for because they can help your team, than just saying that we got some guys and they may help in those areas. Get good players! You highly value them, go get them, don't just sit there and be content with guys who you aren't as high on.

I agree that we have been great in the 4th round, and it suchs giving that up. However, there is a reason they gave it up, they obviously felt strong about Greene.

I love the idea of having a tough defense and deep/strong running game. That is my ideal situation. It will be great to help the young/inexperienced QBs learn. Whether that QB is Kellen (while he lets Sanchez learn the offense and hopefully proves that he belongs as an NFL starting QB) or Sanchez starting starting early or later, this is an ideal to not overload the QB or put to much pressure on their shoulders.

Is Sanchez to those WRs better than Clemens to Crabtree/Cotchery? Maybe it is....that is the thing, you don't really know. You can't look at it in a single year view, and you certainly can't take the view that one will pan out and the other will not. If Sanchez is a top level QB, YES THE SANCHEZ ONE IS BETTER. If Clemens plays like crap, YES THE SANCHEZ ONE IS BETTER. Whether it is either of those, or the opposites, we are yet to see. Fact remains, there was obviously some level of understanding between coaches and management that Clemens couldn't be the guy to lead us, or Sanchez really blew them away. Similarly, there was something that let Crabtree fall.

I'll be honest. When they traded up to #5 i was stunned and worried (once i saw the details i felt a whole lot better, as i think we got a great deal) and initially thought Crabtree might be our selection. I agree, having that potential #1 WR locked up would be great. Also, a WR usually takes a year to get acclaimed to the league, so we could have been a year in there if we drafted a QB next year if Clemens busted. But, if you see a QB you think can excel, you take him. QB is a much more important position and is harder to find. Let him learn the offense, get a year under his belt is more important than getting a WR that year.

I can see both sides of the fence, and pros/cons of both. QB is a huge risk, but a necessary one. I am very happy that management did a bold move to get what they wanted. They have the perfect setup to not overload and put everythign on his shoulders with the run game and defense. Get a QB while you can. I'm looking at this in a positive light, as it is what we have. Quality over quantity. Don't give up on Clemens? Don't sell short our WRs then, maybe they will be the ones to surprise. Obviously they see somethign in them that let them not address it right now. Or, they think the current philosophy will let them be adequate and address that position through other means or next year.

Let's not be downers on what could be a great turning point for the franchise. It may be a big downfall, but at least we get to give it a shot while not giving up anything that hurts our future, and get a highly touted QB.

I'm pumped.

[Crickett]

They obviously felt very strongly about the 2 guys that they got, which is exactly what you want. I'd rater get 2 guys you really like and truely feel are worth moving up for because they can help your team, than just saying that we got some guys and they may help in those areas. Get good players! You highly value them, go get them, don't just sit there and be content with guys who you aren't as high on.

The picks the Jets have been giving up are the ones that are used to build the foundations of their teams. Trading up for 2 guys every year might give you a Dustin Keller or a David Harris, but you'll miss out on all of the mid to late round steals that makes the draft so compelling and make teams go from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the heap in one year.

They obviously felt very strongly about the 2 guys that they got

Fact remains, there was obviously some level of understanding between coaches and management that Clemens couldn't be the guy to lead us, or Sanchez really blew them away.

Obviously they see somethign in them that let them not address it right now.


I'm going to take a cheap shot. And I apologize in advance for it.

"Obviously the Jets know something the people up here don't".


You can't look at it in a single year view, and you certainly can't take the view that one will pan out and the other will not.

I do look at it as a single year view. Because a lot of the better players the Jets have probably won't be Jets much longer. Faneca, who pretty much enabled the Jets OL to go from one of the worst to one of the best isn't getting any younger. Pro bowl running back Thomas Jones and one of the best pass rushing 3-4 ends in the league Shaun Ellis aren't getting any younger either. Lito Sheppard may not be a Jet more than this year although I'd hope he would be given the terms of the trade deal.

The way I see it, the Jets are poised to lose a lot of good players in the very near future. So there is a need to win now above the obvious one.

Don't sell short our WRs then, maybe they will be the ones to surprise. Obviously they see somethign in them that let them not address it right now. Or, they think the current philosophy will let them be adequate and address that position through other means or next year.

That's great, if you're not dependent on those receivers. If Chansi Stuckey or Dave Clowney can play in the slot and show something that indicates that they deserved to go earlier than the 7th round. But they are going to be depended on and its never a good thing to depend on two unproven 7th round WR's for a QB drafted 5th overall.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

The picks the Jets have been giving up are the ones that are used to build the foundations of their teams. Trading up for 2 guys every year might give you a Dustin Keller or a David Harris, but you'll miss out on all of the mid to late round steals that makes the draft so compelling and make teams go from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the heap in one year.

I'm going to take a cheap shot. And I apologize in advance for it.

"Obviously the Jets know something the people up here don't".

I do look at it as a single year view. Because a lot of the better players the Jets have probably won't be Jets much longer. Faneca, who pretty much enabled the Jets OL to go from one of the worst to one of the best isn't getting any younger. Pro bowl running back Thomas Jones and one of the best pass rushing 3-4 ends in the league Shaun Ellis aren't getting any younger either. Lito Sheppard may not be a Jet more than this year although I'd hope he would be given the terms of the trade deal.

The way I see it, the Jets are poised to lose a lot of good players in the very near future. So there is a need to win now above the obvious one.

That's great, if you're not dependent on those receivers. If Chansi Stuckey or Dave Clowney can play in the slot and show something that indicates that they deserved to go earlier than the 7th round. But they are going to be depended on and its never a good thing to depend on two unproven 7th round WR's for a QB drafted 5th overall.

You make it sound like the later picks would have been sure thing steals. For each one that is a steal, there are a large number that don't do anything, or don't become anything special or see the field. I agree, its great to get a Cotchery, Washington, Rhodes, i totally agree, but those are exceptions, not the norm. It would be nice to have that opportunity to see if you could get one of those guys, but if you have a guy high on your board that you feel much more strongly can help your team, I don't know if i disagree with the thought of going to get him. I wish we had way more picks, and RB wasn't necessarily a position of need, totally agree, but as you mentioned, Jones is a guy who may be on the outs soon, and hopefully this helps the philosophy the Jets are building.

I don't know if that was a cheap shot at me, because it sure doesn't bother me. But yes, obviously the Jets know something that you probably don't. They also may have a different roadmap than you, which isn't necessarily good or bad, its different, but they are going with it. They know how the Jones talks are going and what their plan is, obviously a RB in this mold was valued higher. Who's right? I don't care. They went and got him and i hope badly he works out. I'll assume this follows their roadmap or addresses an issue they see occuring.

All teams are going to have turnover, and obviously we have some high valued and respected players that are in that group for the Jets. Greene can help the Jones transition. Fanaca will be around a few more years, so don't act like this is the end of the road to address this. Sheppard, if he pans out, will still be around. Hopefully Lowry can expand his game and enable us to have a smoother transition if Sheppard busts. 3-4 linemen are hard to find, and we obviously created a bigger hole with the Coleman move. There wasn't anyone in the 1st that would have helped. Aside from Brace (NT) or the Purdue DE, i'm not sure if there was many that would have quickly addressed this.
Fact remains, if you look at this in a 1 year scope, and needing to win this moment, it doesn't change the fact that we would have had an inexperienced and unproven QB in Clemens, and a WR coming off injury who we are assuming would have been the missing link on offense......getting a 'franchise' QB for a relatively cheap price isn't all that bad a thing. Bold and always risky, but something that is necessary to be able to build a strong franchise. I'd love for Clemens to start this year and let Sanchez grow, then in that time show he's more than capable. That wouldn't be a negative. However, if Clemens doesn't show that, at least we have someone learning and who has everything the position needs. If Sanchez beats him out and starts right away, then that also says Clemens wasn't the guy.

Favre was a win now approach that you are talking about, and as we all saw, it didn't get the job done.

I agree, its not great having to rely on unproven 7th round WRs. But Crabtree would still be a rookie coming off an injury. Clemens would still be a relative unknown. It would still be unproven to unproven, only we'd be going in with a QB that obviously hasn't drawn the faith of management or coaching staff. Plenty of what could have beens, and many different directions could hav ebeen taken. Hopefully the 2 players selected turn out good to ease any pain. There is no telling who would have been drafted if we had stayed, only lots of people being optimistic about any other player who pans out. Depth is required, but who knows how that depth would have turned out in the end - stud or out of the league.

[derza222]

Really briefly:

Wasn't Clowney a round 5 guy?

We still have time to address the offensive and defensive lines, absolutely. But if Kris Jenkins or any of the offensive lineman gets hurt this year, we're absolutely ******. Jenkins is understandable, but our offensive line depth is horrid. And that worries me big time with a young quarterback. Hopefully we can pick up a decent free agent or two or somebody around cut time, because it's pretty damn scary how thin we are there. At least next year's 5-techs should be sick, I already want one of them or a WR in round 1.

I still love Shonn Greene.

[Crickett]

You make it sound like the later picks would have been sure thing steals.

For each one that is a steal, there are a large number that don't do anything, or don't become anything special or see the field. I agree, its great to get a Cotchery, Washington, Rhodes, i totally agree, but those are exceptions, not the norm. It would be nice to have that opportunity to see if you could get one of those guys, but if you have a guy high on your board that you feel much more strongly can help your team, I don't know if i disagree with the thought of going to get him. I wish we had way more picks, and RB wasn't necessarily a position of need, totally agree, but as you mentioned, Jones is a guy who may be on the outs soon, and hopefully this helps the philosophy the Jets are building.

They're not sure thing steals, but its how teams fill out their rosters with decent depth. And yes, there are several players out of the 4th/5th rounds who come in and contribute every year. The players you listed are proof of that.

Right now the Jets have 3 very good players from the past 2 full drafts. And thats not a lot.


I don't know if that was a cheap shot at me, because it sure doesn't bother me. But yes, obviously the Jets know something that you probably don't.

It was a reference to the comments from the Jets fans in the Jets draft blunders video. Obviously the Jets know something they don't. When they drafted Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp. And Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino.



All teams are going to have turnover, and obviously we have some high valued and respected players that are in that group for the Jets. Greene can help the Jones transition. Fanaca will be around a few more years, so don't act like this is the end of the road to address this. Sheppard, if he pans out, will still be around. Hopefully Lowry can expand his game and enable us to have a smoother transition if Sheppard busts. 3-4 linemen are hard to find, and we obviously created a bigger hole with the Coleman move. There wasn't anyone in the 1st that would have helped. Aside from Brace (NT) or the Purdue DE, i'm not sure if there was many that would have quickly addressed this.

Faneca will be 33 this year. No offensive linemen, even the best last much past that.

If Lito Sheppard pans out, with the deal he has, he will still probably be released. Don't believe me? Just ask Ty Law who had 10 picks in one season the first time the Jets signed him, but was still released because of his mammoth contract.


Fact remains, if you look at this in a 1 year scope, and needing to win this moment, it doesn't change the fact that we would have had an inexperienced and unproven QB in Clemens, and a WR coming off injury who we are assuming would have been the missing link on offense......getting a 'franchise' QB for a relatively cheap price isn't all that bad a thing.

1. "Potential franchise" QB. You mention that Clemens is inexperienced, but by definition, Sanchez is far more inexperienced having just been drafted. And having not played a down, Sanchez is far from being an ACTUAL franchise QB.

2. Drafting a "potential franchise quarterback" without the tools on the team for him to succeed throwing accomplishes what? :confused:

3. You're comfortable with a quarterback who has 16 college games under his belt throwing the ball to a bunch of 7th round/UDFA receivers? More than Michael Crabtree? Really?

People talk about QB who succeeded from day 1,

Roethlisberger had Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress and Antwaan Randle El from day 1. And then Heath Miller too after one year.

Matt Ryan had Roddy White and Michael Jenkins. Not that Jenkins has been a great receiver, but he hasn't been chopped liver either.

Carson Palmer from the day he began starting had Chad Johnson, Peter Warrick and Kelly Washington. And then T.J. Houshmandzadeh who earned his spot after developing as an NFL WR for 3 years. And then Chris Henry as well.


But Crabtree would still be a rookie coming off an injury. Clemens would still be a relative unknown. It would still be unproven to unproven, only we'd be going in with a QB that obviously hasn't drawn the faith of management or coaching staff. Plenty of what could have beens, and many different directions could hav ebeen taken. Hopefully the 2 players selected turn out good to ease any pain. There is no telling who would have been drafted if we had stayed, only lots of people being optimistic about any other player who pans out. Depth is required, but who knows how that depth would have turned out in the end - stud or out of the league.

This seems kind of like an argument why the Jets should wash their hands of the draft completely. "Well they're all unproven, so why bother?"

After the draft history the Jets have had, there's no way I would look at who they've taken and say "they must know what they're doing" no matter what. They have 3 good players from the past 2 drafts.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

I'll be honest. I'd love to have a Patriots type situation where you get a deep draft class with various types of players with lots of talent. I'm not huge on the Greene trade up, but i am on the Sanchez one. I would have loved to have had those picks for depth, that would have been my preference. I'm just trying to get a grip on what actually went down and assume that there is a master plan - basically looking on the bright side....

[Crickett]

I'll be honest. I'd love to have a Patriots type situation where you get a deep draft class with various types of players with lots of talent. I'm not huge on the Greene trade up, but i am on the Sanchez one. I would have loved to have had those picks for depth, that would have been my preference. I'm just trying to get a grip on what actually went down and assume that there is a master plan - basically looking on the bright side....


QB - Mark Sanchez - Kellen Clemens - Erik Ainge

RB - Thomas Jones - Leon Washington - Shonn Greene

FB - Tony Richardson

WR - Jerricho Cotchery - Chansi Stuckey - Dave Clowney - Brad Smith - Marcus Henry?

TE - Dustin Keller - James Dearth

LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson - Wayne Hunter

LG - Alan Faneca - Stanley Daniels

C - Nick Mangold

RG - Brandon Moore, Robert Turner

RT - Damien Woody, Mike Kracalik

There's the offense.

[okay123]

crickett, we also got kris jenkins in last year's draft, and also got shepphard with the help of this year's 5th rounder.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

QB - Mark Sanchez - Kellen Clemens - Erik Ainge

RB - Thomas Jones - Leon Washington - Shonn Greene

FB - Tony Richardson

WR - Jerricho Cotchery - Chansi Stuckey - Dave Clowney - Brad Smith - Marcus Henry?

TE - Dustin Keller - James Dearth

LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson - Wayne Hunter

LG - Alan Faneca - Stanley Daniels

C - Nick Mangold

RG - Brandon Moore, Robert Turner

RT - Damien Woody, Mike Kracalik

There's the offense.

Cool, thanks for pointing that out for me......

I see your point, but this is a chicken and the egg thing. Does the WR make the QB, or does a QB make a WR? Back and forth back and forth. You don't pass on a QB because you don't have that WR. You say Sanchez has less experience than Clemens, but the same could be said about Crabtree to the current WRs.

I see where you are coming from on a lot of things and can tell you really wanted Crabtree, but i'll try to see the bright side of getting a new QB and be hopeful. It is a lot more happy on this side.

[derza222]

Wallace Wright probably works his way in at WR. That position concerns me, but TE and the offensive line concern me more. Keller is basically a WR as far as I'm concerned, so if you consider him our #2 target things are at least a little better there, and both Clowney and Stuckey have a little potential. It's not ideal, but we can make it work there and get guys in future years. We're going to build around Sanchez at this point, so we have time. But if we don't keep whoever is behind center protected that will be a major problem, and we literally have nothing at tight end. An injury anywhere on the OL causes major issues. I still think there will be some signings of backup types who can contribute if necessary, otherwise all of these trades are setting us up to be in major trouble if there are injuries this year (especially trying to develop a young QB), and the FO has to know that.

[Crickett]

Cool, thanks for pointing that out for me......

I see your point, but this is a chicken and the egg thing. Does the WR make the QB, or does a QB make a WR? Back and forth back and forth. You don't pass on a QB because you don't have that WR.

But if you don't have that WR for the QB to throw to, whats to stop them from needing that QB in 2012?

Wallace Wright probably works his way in at WR.

Wallace Wright is a free agent. He's an RFA, but with no tender, there isn't any restriction, and he might as well be a UFA.

[thetedginnshow]

Sammie Lee Hill got taken with out 4th rounder. That hurts.

[jmess15]

I liked moving up for Sanchez but not so much for Greene at this point. May work out but I dont want to lose depth.

As far as trading up, im ok with trading up for a potential franchise QB but to trade up from 17 to 5 to draft a WR (when we have no QB) coming off an injury is a huge risk. As much as Crabtree may become great that would be hard to swallow. Its a crap shoot not matter how you slice it, but I think the went the right way by finding a franchise QB and building around him, not the other way around.

[jmess15]

Sammie Lee Hill got taken with out 4th rounder. That hurts.

I personally dont know much about him but all of the reports that I have read aren't too complimentary on him. Scott even said he is late round or FA.

[derza222]

Wallace Wright is a free agent. He's an RFA, but with no tender, there isn't any restriction, and he might as well be a UFA.

Interesting, good to know. My bad there.

Sammie Lee Hill got taken with out 4th rounder. That hurts.

:(

Shocked Vaughn Martin got taken in the fourth. Thought for sure we'd have a shot at him in the sixth after the trade if Rex wanted him.

[thetedginnshow]

Chip Vaughn you mean?

[thetedginnshow]

Well I guess we need linemen. I expect us to be very busy in the UDFA market.

[Crickett]

His draft profile.

Height: 6-47/8 | Weight: 316 | 40-Time: 5.26
Matt Slauson | Nebraska Cornhuskers
Official Bio

Stars
Strengths:
Decent athlete...Very good size with a large frame and big hands...Is stout at the point...Solid range and holds his own in space...Fantastic motor...Good awareness...Is tough and nasty...Durable...Experienced.

Weaknesses:
Has short arms...Is not real strong or powerful...Lacks a violent initial punch...Gets caught leaning...Doesn't always use proper leverage...Not a dominating run blocker...Struggles to recover when beat...Upside???

Notes:
Spent one season at Air Force Prep School (CO) before joining the Cornhuskers...Played extensively as a true freshman in 2005 and even earned three starts at right tackle...Starter at right tackle in 2006 but was limited by an ankle injury down the stretch...Started 8 games at right guard in 2007...Started all 13 games at right guard in 2008 and was named 2nd Team All-Big 12...Cited for criminal mischief in 2007 after allegedly vandalizing a couple of cars...Possesses a good mix of physical tools and intangibles...Best fit might come in a zone blocking scheme...His versatility could help him earn a roster spot as a backup.

__________________________________________________ _




Sounds like a replacement for Jonathan Goodwin.

[jmess15]

His draft profile.

Height: 6-47/8 | Weight: 316 | 40-Time: 5.26
Matt Slauson | Nebraska Cornhuskers
Official Bio



Callahan must know him from Nebraska

[Crickett]

I see your point, but this is a chicken and the egg thing. Does the WR make the QB, or does a QB make a WR? Back and forth back and forth. You don't pass on a QB because you don't have that WR. You say Sanchez has less experience than Clemens, but the same could be said about Crabtree to the current WRs.

I'd say its a bit of both.

Well, I'll ask. What is the point of a franchise QB if you have nobody to throw to? If Sanchez hands the ball off 40 times a game to the Jets three headed monster at RB, and passes for, lets say 63% completion percentage for 2,200 yards for the next two years because his only real WR is Jerricho Cotchery, will it be worth it?

Having Randy Moss and Chris Carter made Daunte Culpepper one of the best QB's in the league. Having Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor and Troy Williamson made him one of the worst.

With David Patten, Troy Brown and David Givens, Tom Brady was a pro bowl QB. With Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth and Wes Welker, he was a record setting QB.

But on the flip side, having T.J. Whosyomomma and Chad OchoCinco did nothing for Ryan Fitzpatrick.

I don't look at it as (at least on offense) as a player being the master of his own destiny. In Arizona, Thomas Jones was horrible, in Tampa Bay, he was decent. In Chicago, he was very good. Here, he wasn't very good behind Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement, but replace them with Alan Faneca and Damien Woody and Thomas Jones was [b]awesome[b].

I look at it the same way with Mark Sanchez and Chansi Stuckey and Dave Clowney.

[thetedginnshow]

Obviously great WRs can make a QB look better, but if the QB is destined to be good you'll see that without all the star WRs. But first and foremost, unless the guy's Calvin Johnson, you need to go franchise QB over franchise WR. And like that AlexDown always says, he's not on our team for just a year. We can get a first round WR (or even Braylon) next year. Plus, you just have to realize the philosophy Rex is coming from. He just came from a Ravens team that had no real receiving option beyond an aging Mason. So let's just see how it works.

[derza222]

Chip Vaughn you mean?

Nope I meant Martin, the dude from Western Ontario with the sick measurables. Thought he could have been a developmental nose guy, but I'm pretty sure the Chargers took him in the fourth unless I misread.

Callahan must know him from Nebraska

Yeah the team website has an article, apparently he came to Nebraska specifically to play for Callahan so he's really psyched to be a Jet. Had some good explosion numbers (vertical, broad jump) at the combine and he's actually worked on snapping and stuff to be able to play center in a pinch, so it seems like he's versatile and a hard worker.

Definitely will have a shot to do some things with us because we're so thin there and he'll have a great opportunity to learn behind Faneca and maybe start down the road, but definitely get backup time. It'll be interesting to see what UDFA's we sign and if Slauson plays at center at all.


Also with the whole QB vs. WR's argument, I think we were unproven in both regards. QB's help WR's and WR's help QB's, there's no real other way around it. We have some weapons in the passing game, and apparently ultimately decided that a run attack and those options would be enough for the moment. Probably came down to us having Sanchez graded very, very high and even higher than Crabtree. We'll see how it plays out and if WR's step up, but at this point all we can do is hope for the best.

I do think it's really a chicken or egg argument, although run game and OL are huge for both as was the case with Fitzpatrick. Yeah he sucked with great WR's, but their line and run game were balls last year. Anybody would've struggled, even Palmer wasn't playing well.



EDIT:

We're talking to Plax? That could be...interesting. Doubt anything comes of it though.

[Hurricanes25]

Ive been hearing that the Jets will sign 15 UDFA's.

[Hurricanes25]

Rashad Jennings fell all the way into the 7th round. We didnt really didnt to move up in the 3rd to get Shonn Greene. We could have had so many more players.

[thetedginnshow]

That is, of course, if Jennings becomes as good of or a better player than Greene.

[msolimani]

Shonn Greene IMO will be the 2nd best RB in this draft behind Knowshown Moreno. I love the pick, just wish we didnt give up basically all of our day 2 to move up 10 spots. There's a chance that he couldve been around for us at 76, but I guess we were so enamored with this guy that we didnt want to risk losing him.

I'm not too worried about giving up the late rounders though, because we figure to be big players in the UDFA pool. I also heard we are looking to pickup 15 players.

[Hurricanes25]

Jets sign TE Andrew Davie (Arkansas)

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=562249

[thetedginnshow]

Oh my god is he old. But he gets bonus points for being a Cardinal.

[derza222]

That is, of course, if Jennings becomes as good of or a better player than Greene.

Right. We clearly had Shonn Greene rated very highly. So we'll see how it plays out, but they traded up to get a player, not a position.

[josh07039]

Just got back from Day 2. Absolutely sick experience. Heckled Mccshay, got on TV a thousand times, convinced Jaws/Wingo to mention Rutgers more, got Kiper to answer questions I yelled down during break. The ESPN guys are so much nicer than the NFL network guys. Other than Gruden, they all think they are too good to interact with fans.
I'm not very happy with the trade up for Greene. I would've been ok if it was Thomas Jones that was sent for the pick rather than all those choices.

I was happy to be a part of the Rutgers record for draft picks, but was disappointed how far Tiquan fell.

[Crickett]

Just got back from Day 2. Absolutely sick experience. Heckled Mccshay, got on TV a thousand times, convinced Jaws/Wingo to mention Rutgers more, got Kiper to answer questions I yelled down during break. The ESPN guys are so much nicer than the NFL network guys. Other than Gruden, they all think they are too good to interact with fans.
I'm not very happy with the trade up for Greene. I would've been ok if it was Thomas Jones that was sent for the pick rather than all those choices.

I was happy to be a part of the Rutgers record for draft picks, but was disappointed how far Tiquan fell.

1. Were you the guy in the Rutgers jersey one of the guys in the Jets jersies.

2. Now I wish I had gone.

3. I didn't go to day 2 because I'm not going back to the draft. I went to the Jets draft party in farmingdale and loved it despite the $25 fee.

[josh07039]

1. Were you the guy in the Rutgers jersey one of the guys in the Jets jersies.

2. Now I wish I had gone.

3. I didn't go to day 2 because I'm not going back to the draft. I went to the Jets draft party in farmingdale and loved it despite the $25 fee.
I was in a Brian Leonard Jersey with a group that had a Drob jersey, another old jet i forget, a bill, a pats, a rams brian leonard, and a Courtney Greene guy. We were in the front row of the balcony going nuts the entire time. So much fun stuff happened in the balcony. So many near fights, so much heckling, and the espn crew really is surprisingly down to earth and personable, especially Herm.

[Crickett]

I was in a Brian Leonard Jersey with a group that had a Drob jersey, another old jet i forget, a bill, a pats, a rams brian leonard, and a Courtney Greene guy. We were in the front row of the balcony going nuts the entire time. So much fun stuff happened in the balcony. So many near fights, so much heckling, and the espn crew really is surprisingly down to earth and personable, especially Herm.

I need to review the tape since for the time being I do have the draft on my DVR and I do remember seeing that #63 jersey.

[derza222]

Just got back from Day 2. Absolutely sick experience. Heckled Mccshay, got on TV a thousand times, convinced Jaws/Wingo to mention Rutgers more, got Kiper to answer questions I yelled down during break. The ESPN guys are so much nicer than the NFL network guys. Other than Gruden, they all think they are too good to interact with fans.
I'm not very happy with the trade up for Greene. I would've been ok if it was Thomas Jones that was sent for the pick rather than all those choices.

I was happy to be a part of the Rutgers record for draft picks, but was disappointed how far Tiquan fell.

Now I wish I had caught more of the ESPN broadcast, I obviously would've recognized you there. Go with some dudes from school? Also surprising the ESPN guys are better to interact with than the NFLN guys when I first read it, but it actually makes some sense. I need to get to the draft one of these years.

[JETS5128]

I was in a Brian Leonard Jersey with a group that had a Drob jersey, another old jet i forget, a bill, a pats, a rams brian leonard, and a Courtney Greene guy. We were in the front row of the balcony going nuts the entire time. So much fun stuff happened in the balcony. So many near fights, so much heckling, and the espn crew really is surprisingly down to earth and personable, especially Herm.

Werd dude, i saw you a bunch of times.

Also,

The New York Jets have agreed to terms with undrafted rookie free-agent DE Jamaal Westerman (Rutgers). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

The New York Jets have agreed to terms with undrafted rookie free-agent P T.J. Conley (Idaho). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

The New York Jets have agreed to terms with undrafted rookie free-agent TE Robert Myers (Utah State). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

all per Kffl, and finally

Brian Costello, of the New York Post, reports the New York Jets have shown interested in unrestricted free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants), according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

[jmess15]

Werd dude, i saw you a bunch of times.

Brian Costello, of the New York Post, reports the New York Jets have shown interested in unrestricted free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants), according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

He can't catch any passes in Rikers

[JETS5128]

He can't catch any passes in Rikers

lulz, we also signed Zach Potter

[derza222]

lulz, we also signed Zach Potter

Not a bad signing, if he bulks up a little he could definitely do some things at the 5-tech. Hopefully we get some decent guys, we drafted so few players and have so little depth at some spots people have to know this is a good opportunity to make a team.

[josh07039]

Im really happy that we signed Westerman. He is a good player who probably would have been drafted if not for the injury that prevented him from engaging in the pre draft process.

Plax=No.

[timewaster]

I am extremely happy with both Sanchez and Greene. And even the 6th round OG.

BUT! We have to stop trading down. Depth wins games late in the season. Like in the playoffs. If we continue to do what we are doing (we traded down twice last year) we are going to be thin at positions no?

I understand the marketing aspect of Sanchez. There is a new stadium to pay for. Look what they did by bringing Favre here.

The kid has upside. Played in a pro style offense. Against top college teams in primetime.

He talks the talk. I truelly hope he walks the walk.

The Jets have the pieces in place to let him start now. 3 RB's, an o-line that some might say the best in the league and what can be a good defense. Flacco did well. Who did Chad throw too in Miami?

[AlexDown]

I agree that trading up in the draft can cause some depth issues, which the draft can really help with. However, I love how aggressive the Jets have been in recent drafts to get the players the want. I definitely believe you have to be aggressive. In the past, their moves have netted us Mangold, Keller, Revis, and Harris. Unbelievable.

[MyLostintention]

I agree that trading up in the draft can cause some depth issues, which the draft can really help with. However, I love how aggressive the Jets have been in recent drafts to get the players the want. I definitely believe you have to be aggressive. In the past, their moves have netted us Mangold, Keller, Revis, and Harris. Unbelievable.

I agree completely. The Jets are finally showing some attitude, getting a coach like Ryan and going and getting all the players they want over the past 3 years.

I think the best part of this draft is that we made 2 big trades to get 2 franchise players and didnt have to trade away one draft pick next year. This is huge, now the Jets have all their picks next year and can trade down and get the needed depth.

[derza222]

I agree completely. The Jets are finally showing some attitude, getting a coach like Ryan and going and getting all the players they want over the past 3 years.

I think the best part of this draft is that we made 2 big trades to get 2 franchise players and didnt have to trade away one draft pick next year. This is huge, now the Jets have all their picks next year and can trade down and get the needed depth.

I think the attitude is going to stay the same. Go get the guy that you really want instead of hoping that he falls to you. It seems like we're getting a lot of our depth that would be late round players via free agency, and it creates an interesting trickle effect in the draft. Guys like Douglas, Strickland, and Howard Green will all play roles we wanted to draft guys for, though Douglas may start. Come draft day we end up having few late round picks and end up taking guys we probably would have taken earlier.

I mean with Slauson, I'd imagine we may have given him a look with our fifth round pick, perhaps our fourth. We obviously liked the guy and were happy he fell to the sixth. I'll bet if we had a seventh round pick or a couple there's a good chance one or two of the guys we signed as UDFA's would have been selected by us.

So the quality of players ends up decreasing a bit, but we manage to find the depth in different ways and ensure we get players we feel will be studs in the draft. And really outside of Clemens we haven't traded up for a player that hasn't panned out, and we actually traded down then up for him and took him lower than our original spot so it's kind of a wash.

I still think it's a concern though and hope that we start to focus on more than just having a bunch of good names in the starting lineup, because we won't be having seasons like last year where basically everybody stayed healthy on a consistent basis.


For the three needs we have left that seem to stick out the most: WR, TE, and DE, I think the team feels alright about them. At WR I really think both Clowney and the organization feel he is going to explode this year and provide a great downfield target. If he doesn't then he doesn't and I assume we'll look to find a guy to play across from Cotchery in FA or 2010, but I think that's a belief in the organization. Tannenbaum seems to refrain from mentioning him, but Ryan talks about him all the time. An example of this is actually related to the TE spot.

Seems like Ryan is cool with just using Hunter or Turner as our blocking TE across from Keller. It's actually probably a reasonable idea when you think about it, having a third tackle out there. They'll obviously block a lot better than any blocking TE would (which Ryan said in the post-draft presser) and actually if you think about it can offer some things in pass-pro if we are throwing the ball. When asked if bringing the third tackle into the game announces to the entire stadium that we're going to run the ball, Ryan said something along the lines of, "Yeah. But then we'll throw it over the top to Clowney for a big gain." It takes away a receiving threat, but you can still definitely throw with a third tackle in the game and actually if you are going to do so you'll presumably have better protection for your young QB. With Keller more or less a WR, two TE sets will basically be like having a better blocking Anthony Becht all over again, only we won't have to worry about him dropping the ball since he's not going to get any passes.

At defensive end there may be some belief in Mike Devito, but I think Ryan really likes Douglas and he'll start next year. Guys like Potter should have a shot to make this team. But the 2010 3-4 DE class looks nasty, I've wanted one from that class ever since all those guys like Suh, Oghobaase, Odrick, Jones, and McCoy went back to school so hopefully we get one out of there. But since defense is his specialty I'm sure Ryan knows what he's doing there and has a plan for who will be starting. Sounds like Coleman really wouldn't have fit his scheme anyway.

I do think the biggest need we have right now is OL depth though. If somebody goes down, we're going to start to struggle to run the ball and protect the quarterback. I fear it will be a lesser version of 2007 all over again if somebody gets hurt and we don't get some better depth on the line, and we all know that's not a good situation for a young quarterback.

[bigbluedefense]

Congrats on the qb guys. I really liked Mark Sanchez this year. I liked him more than Stafford, and thats before the bandwagon of Sanchez fans that popped out when Mayock stated the same.

I just hope you guys develop him slowly. He's a keeper.


Granted, I said I liked Gholston a lot last year, so take that with a grain of salt, lol. Gholston was one of my biggest misses I ever had with the draft. That one hurt.

[TimD]

http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2009/04/new_york_jets_begin_rounding_u.html

Thus far, the Jets have signed DE Jamaal Westerman (Rutgers), S Emanuel Cook (South Carolina), QB Chris Pizzoti (Harvard), P T.J. Conley (Idaho), OTs Tavita Thompson and Kyle Link (McNeese State) and TE/LS Andrew Davie (Arkansas), The Star-Ledger has learned.

Kinda random, but if Davie works out, is Dearth done? Instead of having a guy who only LS we could have a guy who actually gets snaps at TE and is our LS.

[TimD]

Congrats on the qb guys. I really liked Mark Sanchez this year. I liked him more than Stafford, and thats before the bandwagon of Sanchez fans that popped out when Mayock stated the same.

I just hope you guys develop him slowly. He's a keeper.


Granted, I said I liked Gholston a lot last year, so take that with a grain of salt, lol. Gholston was one of my biggest misses I ever had with the draft. That one hurt.

No reason why Gholston is a miss yet haha. He has Rex Ryan, the LB expert, coaching him now.

[AlexDown]

Granted, I said I liked Gholston a lot last year, so take that with a grain of salt, lol. Gholston was one of my biggest misses I ever had with the draft. That one hurt.

Lets see what Ryan can do with him. No doubt he has been a disappointment so far.

[bigbluedefense]

Id hope Ryan can make something out of him, but Rex doesn't sound too enthusiastic about him.

If anyone can do it, Rex can. Even without him, I like that pass rush. As long as Jenkins can stay in shape and conditioned.

[derza222]

Congrats on the qb guys. I really liked Mark Sanchez this year. I liked him more than Stafford, and thats before the bandwagon of Sanchez fans that popped out when Mayock stated the same.

I just hope you guys develop him slowly. He's a keeper.


Granted, I said I liked Gholston a lot last year, so take that with a grain of salt, lol. Gholston was one of my biggest misses I ever had with the draft. That one hurt.

I hope so too, but it looks like that's not going to happen. Either he wins the starting job, in which case we obviously aren't developing him slowly, or Clemens wins the starting job and he's proclaimed a bust before the season even starts. I'd prefer we just handed Clemens the job this year and pull him if he sucks, but apparently that won't be the case.

I think we're all holding out hope for VG, but nobody really expects much. Which at this point is nice. I know I'll be pleasantly surprised if he explodes and not shocked if he doesn't do anything. He's an x-factor for our defense this year. Don't think anybody thought he would be as tentative as he is and dislike contact as much as he does.

[jmess15]

Granted, I said I liked Gholston a lot last year, so take that with a grain of salt, lol. Gholston was one of my biggest misses I ever had with the draft. That one hurt.

Hey..Gholston isn't a bust...YET!.

Does anyone think that maybe they move Vernon to DE now? Justwondering, not protypical 3-4 end but with the depth issues at DE it may be viable. The Giants did it with Kiwanuka so I think it is not out of the realm.

[derza222]

Hey..Gholston isn't a bust...YET!.

Does anyone think that maybe they move Vernon to DE now? Justwondering, not protypical 3-4 end but with the depth issues at DE it may be viable. The Giants did it with Kiwanuka so I think it is not out of the realm.

I actually did wonder the same thing. Doubt they do it, but I guess it's a possibility. Certainly in obvious passing situations it makes some sense, since you don't need as much bulk there. It'd let him get his hand in the dirt and just go after the QB where maybe he's more comfortable.

[bigbluedefense]

I can see moving Gholston to DE on passing downs. Gholston's problem is not scheme, its not what they do with him, its none of that.

its desire. you can throw him anywhere on that field and tell him to do anything. its not about what he's being asked to do, its all up to him to succeed. if he gets some desire, he can be a successful player.

but im just not expecting it. never in my life, have i ever seen a lazier player on the field. the man just doesn't care. he's just out there.

[jmess15]

I can see moving Gholston to DE on passing downs. Gholston's problem is not scheme, its not what they do with him, its none of that.

its desire. you can throw him anywhere on that field and tell him to do anything. its not about what he's being asked to do, its all up to him to succeed. if he gets some desire, he can be a successful player.

but im just not expecting it. never in my life, have i ever seen a lazier player on the field. the man just doesn't care. he's just out there.

Boy I hope you are wrong there, but I can see your point of view. It did drive me crazy last year as to why they just didnt line him up more at end on passing downs. If the guy can't get the idiosyncrasies of playing LB down in his first year thats fine, but at least get some bang for your buck and let him get the QB on 3rd and long.

[TimD]

Yeah Mangini did not even attempt to figure out a way to use him. At the very least he could have been used as a pass rusher like you just said. Put him on the line and tell him to get the QB. Not worry about anything else. But yeah, this year I hope we do whatever we can with him. Last year he just wasted a roster spot.

[jmess15]

Yeah Mangini did not even attempt to figure out a way to use him. At the very least he could have been used as a pass rusher like you just said. Put him on the line and tell him to get the QB. Not worry about anything else. But yeah, this year I hope we do whatever we can with him. Last year he just wasted a roster spot.

Seemed like the only place we saw him was on special teams. He was clearly in the dog house for whatever reason and Mangini was too stubborn to allow him out of it. For someone with the mantra of "Do what it takes to win" "Look under every rock" etc he sure was pig headed and seemed to go against that very motto.

Sorry didnt mean to pile on Eric, but the Gholston talk got me on my soap box.

[derza222]

I can see moving Gholston to DE on passing downs. Gholston's problem is not scheme, its not what they do with him, its none of that.

its desire. you can throw him anywhere on that field and tell him to do anything. its not about what he's being asked to do, its all up to him to succeed. if he gets some desire, he can be a successful player.

but im just not expecting it. never in my life, have i ever seen a lazier player on the field. the man just doesn't care. he's just out there.

I do think the major thing with him is desire. If he wants it, he'll go get it. He certainly does have the talent. It's just tough to get somebody like that to change their stripes.

Read that in minicamp Westhoff let him have it for pulling up a bit when he was supposed to hit the "wedge" that they had set up, seems like he just doesn't like contact. Maybe Ryan will get him to flip the switch...

The other thing I read is that at OSU he really didn't "get it" till his third year, so maybe that's the case at the pro level. That is when he really exploded there. We'll see, but I really don't expect much. Disappointing, because he's so talented. Just seems like more of a weight room guy than a football player.

[thetedginnshow]

Id hope Ryan can make something out of him, but Rex doesn't sound too enthusiastic about him.

You must not have heard him talk about Gholston all too much.

And I bet the plan will be to develop Sanchez slowly, but I bet he wins the job by the pre-season.

[bigbluedefense]

You must not have heard him talk about Gholston all too much.

And I bet the plan will be to develop Sanchez slowly, but I bet he wins the job by the pre-season.

he specifically said when he was with the Ravens, they felt he was a better player in shorts than in pads...


he's just doing coach talk now as damage control bc he's his HC now. even now, its not like he's slobbing the guys knob. all he's saying is he'll have an opportunity to showcase his ability. thats not saying much at all.

[derza222]

You must not have heard him talk about Gholston all too much.

And I bet the plan will be to develop Sanchez slowly, but I bet he wins the job by the pre-season.

I dunno, Tannenbaum and Ryan said that when you trade up to get a guy like that you expect him to compete for the starting job. I think they want him to start this year. Which I don't really like, but it seems like that's the case so...

he specifically said when he was with the Ravens, they felt he was a better player in shorts than in pads...


he's just doing coach talk now as damage control bc he's his HC now. even now, its not like he's slobbing the guys knob. all he's saying is he'll have an opportunity to showcase his ability. thats not saying much at all.

I more or less agree with this. He's said he's excited to work with the guy and if he reaches his potential he can be a monster, but we all know that. Already he's saying that it's up to Vernon to reach that potential, so it seems like he's already giving himself an out. He's remained positive, but what is he supposed to do? Say that VG sucks and we drafted a bust last year and he's not even worth his time? Obviously he's excited to work with a guy that talented, because if he turns him around it's a great coaching job on his part.

At this point if he pans out Ryan is a hero and if he doesn't then he's just an athlete instead of a football player and we'll point to Tannebaum and Mangini for drafting a bust based on measurables who had a lot of bad tape despite his production. We'll see what happens, but I don't expect much. Would love to see it finally click though, because if he becomes a dominant pass rusher it takes our defense to the next level.

[thetedginnshow]

he specifically said when he was with the Ravens, they felt he was a better player in shorts than in pads...


he's just doing coach talk now as damage control bc he's his HC now. even now, its not like he's slobbing the guys knob. all he's saying is he'll have an opportunity to showcase his ability. thats not saying much at all.

Clearly he needs motivation, but to say he isn't enthused by him is false. This isn't a Mangini case where the guy's already in his doghouse. Project? Yes. But does he believe in him? I believe so.

But I guess I don't care that much either way since I feel that if Gholston busts, Rex will draft one nasty dude as an edge rusher.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

It didn't matter last year with Gholston, whether he was trying to stop the run, sack the QB, or drop into coverage, he was lazy. He didn't put in maximum effort even when rushing the passer, which he should have been thrilled to do to prove he could at least do that. I don't blame his first season on Mangini, because Gholston didn't give him any other choice....he was terrible. The fact that Mangini was playing for the playoffs and as it turned out, he job, didn't give him any additional motivation to 'develop' Gholston. Mangini can't be given all that much blame here IMO as Gholston showed no passion, fire, or desire to be anything other than a bust.

To think i was excited when we got him.....boy was I wrong. The thought of someone like him, that big and powerful, to be able to send at the QB, i was excited. I didn't care about his coverage, i wanted him to rush the passer. He gave actually nothing, absolutely nothing, to be optimistic about.....and that hurts.

[Nj.]

I love that we signed Brannan Southerland after the draft, he was the best FB in the draft and went undrafted because well, there wasnt a single FB available

[Crickett]

I love that we signed Brannan Southerland after the draft, he was the best FB in the draft and went undrafted because well, there wasnt a single FB available

Practice squad guy and eventual replacement for the aging Tony Richardson?

[Hurricanes25]

I was in a Brian Leonard Jersey with a group that had a Drob jersey, another old jet i forget, a bill, a pats, a rams brian leonard, and a Courtney Greene guy. We were in the front row of the balcony going nuts the entire time. So much fun stuff happened in the balcony. So many near fights, so much heckling, and the espn crew really is surprisingly down to earth and personable, especially Herm.

Congrats. I saw you on TV like a million times on day 2.

[derza222]

Practice squad guy and eventual replacement for the aging Tony Richardson?

AKA better fullback version of Jehuu Caulcrick??

[thetedginnshow]

I love that we signed Brannan Southerland after the draft, he was the best FB in the draft and went undrafted because well, there wasnt a single FB available

That's awesome. Personally I liked Quinn Johnson more but I'm sure either could learn from T-Rich well.

[thetedginnshow]

KANSAS CITY -- I'm going to have 32 opinions on 32 teams here in a few paragraphs, and a few will surprise you. But I've got to start off with a cool story that played a big part in the trade of the weekend -- and, in all likelihood, the trade of the year in the NFL.

If you're a New York Jets fan, and you find yourself standing in line at a Modell's somewhere in the metropolis this week waiting for your SANCHEZ jersey, you really should pause and give thanks to four people:

1. Safety Abram Elam, the most important of three players in the deal between Cleveland and the Jets that netted USC quarterback Mark Sanchez. Most important for several reasons, which I'll get to in a moment.
2. Rex Ryan, the Jets' coach, who finessed a vital part of this trade Friday night.
3. Mike Tannenbaum, the Jets' GM, who wouldn't take no for an answer.
4. Dawn Aponte. Capwoman, Cleveland Browns. Formerly the Jets' cap person, and formerly a VP with the NFL Management Council.

The trade got done when it got done -- and without another team busting in to trump the Jets at the last minute -- because Aponte spied a minute clause, one unknown-to-most, in the collective bargaining agreement (I bet Roger Goodell didn't know it was in there) that would have threatened the trade and quite possibly put it in jeopardy when the Browns were on the clock at 4:33 p.m. Saturday, trying to send the pick to New Jersey.

Here's what happened: When the Jets went to work out Sanchez at Mission Viejo High in California on March 24, he was so impressive and cast such a presence on the practice field that Ryan turned to Tannenbaum and said: "This is our guy. Let's go get him.'' Easier said than done, of course.

By last Friday, the Jets were having mostly fruitless discussions with the Rams, picking second, and Browns, picking fifth. The Rams wanted a ransom to move out of No. 2. At five, the Browns didn't want quite so much, but there was the matter of three players Cleveland liked. And the matter of not doing anything until Cleveland was on the clock, because if Sanchez wasn't there, the Jets weren't interested in moving from their pick at 17 to five. Given that the Jets didn't want to include their 2010 first-round pick in the deal, they had to get creative and throw in the three players coach Mangini wanted: Elam, defensive lineman Kenyon Coleman and backup quarterback Brett Ratliff.

Elam was the apple of Mangini's eye in the deal. In March, the Browns signed Elam, a restricted free-agent, to a one-year, $1.5-million offer sheet. The Jets, loaded with safeties, still matched it. And last Friday, when Tannenbaum and Mangini were talking conditional trade, Elam's name was front and center. He'd have to be in the deal for it to work for the Browns.

Not so fast, Aponte said. She remembered an obscure article in the CBA -- Article XIX of Veteran Free Agency, Section 3 (h). It said: "If a Club exercises its right of first refusal and matches an offer sheet, that club may not trade that player to the Club that submitted the offer sheet for at least one calendar year, unless the player consents to such trade.''

Aponte told Mangini the consent would have to be in writing. One problem: Now it was Friday, and the Jets had to finesse this very carefully. In March, Elam signed the offer sheet with Cleveland; he thought he'd be a Brown. A week later, the Jets matched the offer, and now he thought he was a Jet for good. So now the Jets had to find some face-saving way to ask Elam to sign this formal document approving a trade ... a trade that might not happen.

Late Friday, Ryan got on the phone with Elam and explained the lay of the land. The conversation went something like: We don't know if this is going to happen, but we know you had some interest in going to the Browns in March, and now we've got Jim Leonhard and Kerry Rhodes at safety, and you probably have a better chance to start in Cleveland, and you are Eric's kind of guy, but if the trade doesn't happen you've got to come back to us, and you're going to be a great player for us ...
Elam thought about it, then told Tannenbaum he'd do it. The Jets e-mailed Elam a PDF attachment with the correct language. He signed it and faxed it to the Jets' offices in Florham Park, N.J. The Jets re-faxed it to the league office, knowing that if they made the deal with the Browns on the clock, this was one technicality that, were it not satisfied to the league's approval, the trade could get knocked down.
At the same time, the Jets knew the Washington Redskins would be watching. If the Redskins knew they were doing this deal without a 2010 first-round pick included in the compensation package, Washington could jump in while New York struggled to make the deal, and the 'Skins could get Sanchez. A longshot, but a chance.
On Saturday, the draft got to Cleveland's pick. The Browns were set on moving down, and they pulled the trigger. The deal got approved by the league when it looked over the paperwork and saw Elam's signature on the legal document approving the trade.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/26/draft/index.html?eref=T1

I wish Elam a great career.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh I saw Hodges got waived. I wonder if he's coming back or we really think something of that Idaho guy. Maybe he was asking something ridiculous from Sanchez so they cut him to save him the trouble.

[derza222]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/26/draft/index.html?eref=T1

I wish Elam a great career.

Thought it was pretty cool what he did, I always liked him.

By the way, if you look at our roster there are a ton of available spots for UDFA's. On a very quick rundown I saw like 40 players give or take that seem to basically be locks for roster spots, could be a couple more or a couple less. Unless we sign a lot more legit free agents to contracts, I wouldn't be shocked if 5+ guys stick. Particularly guys who had a very good chance to get drafted, like Potter, who Scott actually had as a mid-rounder.

Also kind of amusing that we cut Reggie Hodges and Marcus Mason today. Hodges and Mason wore #'s 6 and 23, respectively. In college, Sanchez and Greene wore... Just a funny coincidence of course, but still amused me.

[jmess15]

Also kind of amusing that we cut Reggie Hodges and Marcus Mason today. Hodges and Mason wore #'s 6 and 23, respectively. In college, Sanchez and Greene wore... Just a funny coincidence of course, but still amused me.

I read where Sanchez made a deal with Hodges to get the number...guess he is off the hook now.

[msolimani]

I read where Sanchez made a deal with Hodges to get the number...guess he is off the hook now.

Yeah Sanchez said during his Initial press conference with the Jets that they "worked something out". Can't wait to get me a #6 jersey!

[Hurricanes25]

Here is an updated list of our UDFA's.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/27/jets-sign-cleveland-state-basketball-player/

I love the signings of Emmanuel Cook and Westerman. I viewed Cook as 3rd round prospect a couple months ago.

[JETS5128]

Bullock is a pretty interesting signing

[Hurricanes25]

Bullock is a pretty interesting signing

Yea, I thought so to. They are probabaly trying to find the next Antonio Gates.

[derza222]

Here is an updated list of our UDFA's.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/27/jets-sign-cleveland-state-basketball-player/

I love the signings of Emmanuel Cook and Westerman. I viewed Cook as 3rd round prospect a couple months ago.

I also really like Potter and Southerland (though I don't see him listed there) and hope an OL or two pans out. Surprised we didn't bring in many WR's, but I liked bringing in a lot of tight ends and linemen. With our thin draft class a lot of these guys have really good shots with us.

[Hurricanes25]

I also really like Potter and Southerland (though I don't see him listed there) and hope an OL or two pans out. Surprised we didn't bring in many WR's, but I liked bringing in a lot of tight ends and linemen. With our thin draft class a lot of these guys have really good shots with us.

I could see almost half of them making the team. And your right about WR. I thought that we would have had signed a couple of guys by now.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh random tidbit, but I heard that Jarron Gilbert slipped because of a back problem. Not sure how reliable that is, but that might be the reason.

[derza222]

Oh random tidbit, but I heard that Jarron Gilbert slipped because of a back problem. Not sure how reliable that is, but that might be the reason.

Interesting. Well he wouldn't have made it to 76 if we had stood pat and we had Greene rated higher anyways so...

TJB posted a clip of Sanchez mic'd up in practice, so I figured I'd post it here as well in case anybody wanted to check it out.

I4owbJy8rK0

[Hurricanes25]

On NFL Live, Todd McShay said that Emmanuel Cook was the best UDFA signing so far. He said that he has a great shot to make the team.

[derza222]

On NFL Live, Todd McShay said that Emmanuel Cook was the best UDFA signing so far. He said that he has a great shot to make the team.

You know I just used the search function on this site for Cook, and based on watching him in games some posters actually thought he was a potential first rounder... Our UDFA class will be interesting this year, I think we could easily have 3-5 guys make the roster.

[josh07039]

On NFL Live, Todd McShay said that Emmanuel Cook was the best UDFA signing so far. He said that he has a great shot to make the team.I hope that's true, but It's Todd McShay. The guy is a major league asshat.

[derza222]

Jets cut Favre from their reserved/retired list. Probably nothing, but it's going to news because it's Favre. I think it'd be amusing if he went to the Vikes.

[BroadwayJoe10]

Jets cut Favre from their reserved/retired list. Probably nothing, but it's going to news because it's Favre. I think it'd be amusing if he went to the Vikes.

If anything, I would imagine it's so he could do the whole sign for a day and retire as a packer ala jerry rice and those other HOF guys.

[derza222]

Supposedly we're wearing the Titans throwbacks in 3 games this year, but in one or two we'll be wearing white Titans throwbacks instead of the blues?

Personally, I'd prefer something closer to these:

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/bobg/uploaded_images/KLeckoNYJ-720908.jpg

[Hurricanes25]

Supposedly we're wearing the Titans throwbacks in 3 games this year, but in one or two we'll be wearing white Titans throwbacks instead of the blues?

Personally, I'd prefer something closer to these:

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/bobg/uploaded_images/KLeckoNYJ-720908.jpg
Those are pretty nice^^^^

I hate the Titan throwback jerseys.
I like this one.

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/31-75/31-75105-F.jpg

[thetedginnshow]

I love the Titan blues.

This was from an NFL chat
chris, new york
05:35 PM ET
what is the funniest prank a jets player has pulled on one of your teammates since you have been there.

Darrelle Revis, NFL.com
Last year, Brett Favre killed a turkey and put it in a trash bag and put it by one of our players' lockers, and the player freaked out.

[AlexDown]

I love the Titan blues.

You are the only one.

[derza222]

Those are pretty nice^^^^

I hate the Titan throwback jerseys.
I like this one.

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/31-75/31-75105-F.jpg

Yeah those are definitely pretty nice as well, I'd be happy with either green or white. Both would actually be pretty sweet.

Apparently the Titans blues are going to be blue 1 game this year and white in another 2, so we'll get to see new Titans jerseys. Just seems like a ploy to get more jersey sales to me...hopefully they switch the alternates soon to get even more new jersey sales. The whites should be better than the blues though, IMO.

[msolimani]

I'm so tired of seeing these Titans throwback jerseys. I dont even feel like I'm watching the Jets when they wear them. I heard the first game we're going to wear them is week 3 vs the current Titans at home.

[trkaline]

I hate you guys...You took Rex Ryan...but you guys are looking pretty good, I'm loving the defense and now I will be forced to follow them to see how ol' Rexy, Scott, and Leonhard do there...

[josh07039]

I hate you guys...You took Rex Ryan...but you guys are looking pretty good, I'm loving the defense and now I will be forced to follow them to see how ol' Rexy, Scott, and Leonhard do there...Just call us Ravens north.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

I'm so tired of seeing these Titans throwback jerseys. I dont even feel like I'm watching the Jets when they wear them. I heard the first game we're going to wear them is week 3 vs the current Titans at home.

You should be ashamed of yourself....

[derza222]

You should be ashamed of yourself....

I kind of agree with him. I mean I obviously know it's the Jets and I'm rooting for them 110%, but I just think we could do something that's a little closer to where we are now. We're wearing NY Titans throwbacks, it's not even the Jets really. I'll love the Jets no matter what color uniforms they're wearing, but I'd like to see them do something a little more Jets related (a-la what 'Canes posted a few posts back) than the NY Titans blue and gold throwbacks. Do think the whites will be better, but I'd still prefer something...green.

[thetedginnshow]

They don't need the uni's. THEY BLEED GREEN AND WHITE :D

[Crickett]

You should be ashamed of yourself....

Why? They're not throwing back to the old Jets jerseys, they're throwing back to those of the New York Titans. At least the terrible throwback Eagles jerseys are actually EAGLES jerseys. At least if the Tennessee Titans were to throwback to the Oilers, they would retain the color scheme. The New York Titans throwbacks don't retain either the name or the color scheme.

[TimD]

I kinda like the Titans unis. It celebrates our fine history :D but other than that it brings something new to the table. Plus it allows us to sell an additional jersey to the fans, which is probably why we still rock them once a year.

[jmess15]

Those are pretty nice^^^^

I hate the Titan throwback jerseys.
I like this one.

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/31-75/31-75105-F.jpg

Thats funny, when they wore those uniforms most people hated them and wanted them to go back to the 1968 Jets style unis which Parcells brought back

[derza222]

Why? They're not throwing back to the old Jets jerseys, they're throwing back to those of the New York Titans. At least the terrible throwback Eagles jerseys are actually EAGLES jerseys. At least if the Tennessee Titans were to throwback to the Oilers, they would retain the color scheme. The New York Titans throwbacks don't retain either the name or the color scheme.

Exactly.

I kinda like the Titans unis. It celebrates our fine history :D but other than that it brings something new to the table. Plus it allows us to sell an additional jersey to the fans, which is probably why we still rock them once a year.

That's why I think they should rock some older Jets jerseys, i.e. the 80's jerseys. They can sell an additional jersey, but it's a JETS jersey and it's GREEN. Just allows us to keep a little identity. Plus it's a throwback I'd actually contemplate buying lol.

Thats funny, when they wore those uniforms most people hated them and wanted them to go back to the 1968 Jets style unis which Parcells brought back

I don't love them, but for two or three games a year I could handle them. Better than the Titans IMO for the reasons Crickett outlined above.

[Hurricanes25]

Thats funny, when they wore those uniforms most people hated them and wanted them to go back to the 1968 Jets style unis which Parcells brought back

Those are so much better than the Titan uni's. At least that uniform looks like the Jets.

[msolimani]

You should be ashamed of yourself....

Why would I be ashamed of myself? I pride myself on being a Jets fan. I live amongst Philadelphia fans and hear about how this is the Eagles year all the time and it makes me more proud to be a Jets fan. I think you misunderstood what i was saying, obviously I realize I am watching the J-E-T-S, I thought that went without saying. I just meant that they are in no way near our colors for the past 45 years or so and only resemble a team name we carried for 5 years. The only Titans in NY are the professional lacrosse team.

[jmess15]

I don't love them, but for two or three games a year I could handle them. Better than the Titans IMO for the reasons Crickett outlined above.

I liked them too, they were great when they played on natural grass in Shea and got dirty every week, once they moved to the Meadowlands they looked very synthetic and were not the same. They eventually changed to all white for home games for a majority of the mid to late 80s.

I have some old games from Shea on DVD and the unis look pretty good IMO.

[Hurricanes25]

We have signed 17 UDFA.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/01/jets-announce-the-addition-of-17-undrafted-rookies/

I could easily see 5 or 6 of these guys make the team.

[msolimani]

We have signed 17 UDFA.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/01/jets-announce-the-addition-of-17-undrafted-rookies/

I could easily see 5 or 6 of these guys make the team.

Agreed, some of the guys could of easily been drafted. I really like Cook from the other USC. He could be a solid special teams guy as well as a back up safety.

[thetedginnshow]

Mark Sanchez was impressive at his first Jets practice today, but it would have been a surprise if he was just average. He always is thinking ahead. He's a young man who has continually excelled in preparation throughout his life.

Even though this is just a rookie minicamp, Sanchez called his unit together for a talk even before they actually touched the field.

“There were no meetings yesterday but everybody got a playbook,” said rookie Jets head coach Rex Ryan. “Well, I guess there was some guy that we had on offense who got the entire offense together and installed the day’s offense. I guess you can figure out who that was.”

Six days ago, the Jets traded up in the first round to grab Sanchez with the No. 5 overall selection. And less than a week later, he was calling his own number and immediately set the weekend tone.

“I’ve only know the dude for less than 24 hours," said rookie receiver Britt Davis from Northern Illinois, "but we had the chance to meet last night as an offense and it was just the players. We met in the hotel. And just the way he commands the offense and commands the knowledge of all of us — he was in charge, he was drawing stuff up on the board and it was precise. Learning from a player will allow you to definitely catch on a lot faster.”

And with more than 50 media members in attendance at today’s first session, Sanchez didn’t blink. The heralded rookie took the majority of reps, displaying good zip his passes, nice touch and tremendous feet.

“It’s difficult when you first come in and it’s a new system. You want to just try to speak the language as soon as possible and I’m trying to get all the terminology down,” Sanchez said during the noon hour. “Me being tough on myself, I wanted it right every time, but it’s not always that way, especially the first weekend. But this is a very successful first day, so it was a good experience.”

Due to threatening weather, the Jets practiced inside their fieldhouse at the Atlantic Health Training Center, so Sanchez had a controlled environment to toss the ball around. But he was also working with many players who don’t know this offensive system.

“Not throwing any picks, that’s a big deal. That’s a win for a quarterback any day. But we didn’t have any fumbles, either, and no false-start penalties,” he said. “Everybody was in tune and in sync. We moved the ball pretty well and had some big completions. There are always a couple of plays you want back, but I’ll see them on film and correct them.”

During 7-on-7, Sanchez unofficially completed 10 of 15 passes. That included a number of checkdowns, but there was a pretty rope to Marcus Henry (which probably would have resulted in a 60-yard TD) on a seam. Earlier in the morning session during 1-on-1 work, Sanchez got CB Marquice Cole to bite on a pump fake, giving WR Paul Raymond plenty of separation, and they nicely hooked up for a long score..

“It’s clear that he’s a talented player,” Raymond said of Sanchez. “He has a strong arm and a nice ball. It’s good just to be here getting some work in the offense along with everybody else, getting some work in and getting better as a team.”

There were a couple of occasions when Sanchez was throwing a little inside on out routes. Ryan wants to see those balls in a different location. Otherwise, there will be turnovers.

“On those comebacks now, you have to throw the ball more to the outside, more so on this level, especially because it will be a boomerang and it will come right back at you,” he said.

You know Sanchez will make the adjustments necessary because he is a perfectionist. At an early age he learned from his father, Nick Sanchez, that he would only succeed if he could deal with adversity, and the Jets are already challenging the former Trojan.

“When you would shoot free throws or you were running routes, my dad would hold up fingers and make you see the fingers to go through your reads correctly,” he said. “[Brian] Schottenheimer was holding up fingers over here, knowing that we’re going to our second read and we have to drop back and look at our first read to make it real, and then say 'OK, he’s holding up five' and throw to the backside.”

After watching Sanchez throw for a couple of minutes, you can appreciate his attention to detail. Even if there is no defender in play, he looks off an imaginary safety in one direction before coming back and delivering a toss in another.

In addition to calling an offensive unit meeting last night, Sanchez hosted an individual practice in his own room.

“I’m practicing play calls in the mirror last night in the hotel, just so I can see it and hear what it sounds like to me, and just keep reviewing, keep studying and bring guys along with me,” he said.

Don’t clear out a space in Canton just yet for Sanchez. The regular season doesn’t begin until September and there will be so much to prove even before then. But he’s made a wonderful first impression with his new team.

“He’s just himself out there. With all the cameras and with all the media and with everything else here, it never bothered him one bit,” Ryan said. “He’s just stepping in there and he doesn’t know any different, and that’s why I think we have the right guy.”

From our website.

I GOT CHILLS :D

[Hurricanes25]

I know its still very early but maybe I was wrong on Sanchez. He looks like the real deal.

[derza222]

I know its still very early but maybe I was wrong on Sanchez. He looks like the real deal.

To be fair, that's how it always feels. It's how I feel now. We'll certainly see though, hopefully he plays out. His charisma and work ethic are certainly helping to sell me on his ability to pan out though.

[Gay Ork Wang]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8101a477&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

same story basically

that sounds very very impressive

[josh07039]

Big Star Ledger article today about Jamal Westerman. Rex Ryan has has only good things to say about him adjusting to playing in coverage. Basically, he is currently proving me wrong when I said I can't imagine him playing in coverage. I guess I couldn't imagine it because he had never done it before.

[Hurricanes25]

Big Star Ledger article today about Jamal Westerman. Rex Ryan has has only good things to say about him adjusting to playing in coverage. Basically, he is currently proving me wrong when I said I can't imagine him playing in coverage. I guess I couldn't imagine it because he had never done it before.

Yea, I read that article to. They said he has looked better at OLB through the first 4 practices than Gholston did last year through his first 4 practices. If he keeps playing like this he'll make the team. We need some scarlet blood anyways.

[derza222]

I would love to see Westerman make this team, apparently I didn't give him enough credit either. Great to get a Rutgers guy on the final roster, and he seems like a good player and a good guy. UDFA's are always fun to root for, Westerman is no different and quickly becoming one of my favorites this year.

[thetedginnshow]

I hope we really stock up on the LBs. Never can have too many in the 3-4. Still intrigued about Murrell...

[josh07039]

This is semi random, but a friend of mine called me a few minutes after sanchez got drafted suggesting that he be called the Sanchize. I have forgotten to pass it along until now. During a google search I noticed that it was being discussed as a nickname for Sanchez. I personally love the name and hope that it catches on.

As for linebackers, I would love to finally have a rutgers guy on the Jets. Im so rabid about my love of Rutgers that I'm holding out hope for Renkhart considering the extra open roster spots this year. In terms of other holdovers from last year, I like Murrell and Trusnik.

[derza222]

I hope we really stock up on the LBs. Never can have too many in the 3-4. Still intrigued about Murrell...

I think Murrell and Westerman may end up battling it out for a roster spot. Could be wrong though. Liked Trusnik as well, and Cummings. We have a lot of younger, UDFA type linebackers who are really intriguing and all should have a great chance to get roster spots, so I'm sure whoever ends up rising to the top of that will remain very intriguing and could have a long-term impact on the defense.

[thetedginnshow]

This is semi random, but a friend of mine called me a few minutes after sanchez got drafted suggesting that he be called the Sanchize. I have forgotten to pass it along until now. During a google search I noticed that it was being discussed as a nickname for Sanchez. I personally love the name and hope that it catches on.

As for linebackers, I would love to finally have a rutgers guy on the Jets. Im so rabid about my love of Rutgers that I'm holding out hope for Renkhart considering the extra open roster spots this year. In terms of other holdovers from last year, I like Murrell and Trusnik.

I heard some calling him "Franchez". I don't know though. I'm of the opinion that quarterbacks really shouldn't have a nickname, but if he's going to get one, anything beats "Dirty".

[derza222]

I heard some calling him "Franchez". I don't know though. I'm of the opinion that quarterbacks really shouldn't have a nickname, but if he's going to get one, anything beats "Dirty".

Dirty's an old HS nickname of mine, if it wouldn't be a complete waste of 100 bucks I'd get a personalized #6 jersey that says DIRTY on the back for kicks. Agree that's probably not the best nickname for him though lol. Franchez and Sanchize are both solid, but I think Franchez rolls off the tongue a little better. Both are a little premature though, I hope he ends up living up to them. Otherwise his nickname could quickly become Dirty.

[josh07039]

Dirty's an old HS nickname of mine, if it wouldn't be a complete waste of 100 bucks I'd get a personalized #6 jersey that says DIRTY on the back for kicks. Agree that's probably not the best nickname for him though lol. Franchez and Sanchize are both solid, but I think Franchez rolls off the tongue a little better. Both are a little premature though, I hope he ends up living up to them. Otherwise his nickname could quickly become Dirty.
derza
dirty
derzmatic
dirty derza
dirty derzmatic
derz
dirty derz
Im sure there were a million more combos that I am forgetting. Im shocked when I realize I never called you derzalicious.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

I stay away from nicknames, last thing i want is for the NFL to be like the NBA where every single player who sees the floor gets a nickname. That drives me crazy.

[jmess15]

I stay away from nicknames, last thing i want is for the NFL to be like the NBA where every single player who sees the floor gets a nickname. That drives me crazy.

The only nick name I am interesting in calling him is Super Bowl Champion.

[derza222]

derza
dirty
derzmatic
dirty derza
dirty derzmatic
derz
dirty derz
Im sure there were a million more combos that I am forgetting. Im shocked when I realize I never called you derzalicious.

derp and stuff with a mc in front of it have become popular recently for whatever reason. I believe everyone's favorite curly blonde haired Italian came up with that one. mcderz, mcderp. I'd be down for pulling derzalicious into the mix though. But I basically learned to respond to anything with a D and a R or a D and a Z in it.


ANYWAYS on to significant stuff. PFT is reporting a possible Thomas Jones and other stuff for Braylon Edwards swap. Seems like speculation from the Cleveland end. Frankly, while I'd end up loving the trade eventually, I have reservations. Depends what the something else is of course. But still, right now we'd be replacing Jones with Shonn Greene, and while I love Shonn Greene his issues in the passing game (protection, hands) worry me a bit.

The other concern is Edwards seems a little too focused on things off the field (money, acting) and I wonder if he'd just end up being a bust here. If it's Jones and a conditional pick based on performance I guess I could dig it, and that's probably what Tannenbaum will try to pull, but I don't think it's a slam dunk either.

EDIT:

The "other stuff" in the deal should and probably would include Brad Smith. Still don't think it happens and I'd have reservations, but I'd bet if it happens he's in there. Seems like Smith is the most likely candidate to be the Brett Ratliff of our receivers in Mangini's eyes.

[Hurricanes25]

Very interesting article on Braylon Edwards.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/04/braylon-still-possibly-going-to-the-big-apple/

Thomas Jones for Braylon Edwards?

Im all for that trade if it happens. It gives us a true #1 WR threat in Edwards. I dont think we would miss Jones that much. We have Thunder and Lightning in Shonn Greene and Leon Washington. In my opinion this would make our team a lot better.

[thetedginnshow]

Because I really like several WRs that could potentially be in next year's draft, I don't know how excited I'd be. Plus, I'd hate to see us give up future draft picks. I'd rather them just overpay in draft choices for Thomas Jones.

[Hurricanes25]

I dont want to give up picks either. I also like a couple of WR's in next years draft but by then we may have other needs and we can go in another direction.

[Crickett]

One of the thing the Jets FO emphasized during the draft was paying their bills now. They didn't want to trade future picks when they were trading up during the draft and I don't see why they'd be willing to give them up now.

[JETS5128]

Just made this if anybody wants it

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2679/marksanchezsig2copycopy.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marksanchezsig2copycopy.jpg)

[jmess15]

FoxSports is reporting that Favre is meeting with Brad Childress. From a Jets perspective I don't care, I was for him coming to town but it didnt work out. However, I think if I were a Packers fan I would feel betrayed. Yes it did not end well in Green Bay but jeez they were pretty good to him for all of those years. I understand wanting to come back last year, but to work your way back to a dreaded rival is bush league.

Jackie Robinson retired rather than be traded to the Giants while Favre is pulling all of the strings to go to the Vikes. I am not sure what the Packers fans think of it but I would be disapointed.

[thetedginnshow]

REX RYAN TRANSCRIPT

On if anyone jumped out at him today…

I spent some time with the offensive line today. Bill Callahan jumped out at me today (laughter). What a great teacher he is. I like some of the guys down there. I saw our big draft choice, the kid from Nebraska (Matt Slauson). I was reading a bio on him the other day; I guess he was All-Conference for three years. That is saying something out there. He is a big man. A normal size person to me is 6-3, 280, I don’t think that is what it is out in the public, but you are around him and you’re like ‘How big is that kid?’ He is like 6-9, 350. Are you kidding me (laughs)?

It was good to watch them really work. That offensive line is so much of your character as a football team. I love the way Callahan coaches. He is a tough guy and he really makes those guys work. They are not just eating the grass, they are really working out there.

I just thought this was kind of funny. It's almost like he knows as much about these guys as us. One good thing to take away from that though is that, just like he said originally, it's a real team effort with the coaching staff and Tannenbaum (and presumably the scouting department).

[msolimani]

I just thought this was kind of funny. It's almost like he knows as much about these guys as us.

I think that's just how he wants himself to come off to the media. He just likes to play around with them. You're right though, it seems like our entire front office is in unison right now and everything is going in the right direction. I cant wait for this season!

[Hurricanes25]

This might be old news but I just read that Kareem Brown was moved to TE. He is 295 lbs. He seems a little bit big. I hope he is in there for run blocking purposes only.

[thetedginnshow]

This might be old news but I just read that Kareem Brown was moved to TE. He is 195 lbs. He seems a little bit big. I hope he is in there for run blocking purposes only.

I'm pretty sure they said he was at like 265.

[Hurricanes25]

I'm pretty sure they said he was at like 265.

195 was a typo. I just read that he is 295. That might be old but 265 is a more reasonable size for a TE.

[thetedginnshow]

http://jettingaroundwithlisaz.blogspot.com/2009/04/kareem-brown.html

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

An interesting rumour on Yahoo (which is an extremely unreliable location, but let me just bring it up) whereby the Browns and Jets are discussing a Thomas Jones and Braylon Edwards (other peices would obviously be involved) are being swapped.

With the drafting of Greene and the missing of a WR, what are people's thoughts on this. Obviously, we would be giving up a high draft pick or two also, as no one in their right mind will trade for an aged RB for a young #1 WR. But what are people's thoughts? Mangini could use this as another means of acquiring guys he likes from the team, or some additional draft picks. Obviously, getting a guy like Edwards would be great for the Jets, getting them that #1 WR, but i don't see all that much reason from the Browns point of view.

won't happen, but thought i'd bring up some crap to talk about the Jets....

[Hurricanes25]

I would do the trade straight up but I rather not give up any future picks(especially in the 1st 4 rounds).

[msolimani]

I don't think a Jones-Edwards straight up trade would happen. Although after that deal the Browns took to trade back in the draft and let us get Sanchez who knows. As long as it's not Jones and a future 1st i would love the trade. Edwards is a top 10 WR with great talent, he does have some issues with drops but not enough to completely scare someone away.

[Crickett]

Edwards is a top 10 WR with great talent, he does have some issues with drops but not enough to completely scare someone away.


Terrell Owens
Randy Moss
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Roddy White
Chad OchoCinco
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Calvin Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Brandon Marshall
Dwayne Bowe
Greg Jennings
Marques Colston
Andre Johnson

and when he's not shooting himself in the foot, Plaxico Burress

They're better than the league leader in dropped passes.

You could make the argument for some other receivers too.

A future first straight up for Braylon Edwards is not worth it, much less a pro bowl running back and a future first.

[msolimani]

Terrell Owens
Randy Moss
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Roddy White
Chad OchoCinco
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Calvin Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Brandon Marshall
Dwayne Bowe
Greg Jennings
Marques Colston
Andre Johnson

and when he's not shooting himself in the foot, Plaxico Burress

They're better than the league leader in dropped passes.

You could make the argument for some other receivers too.

A future first straight up for Braylon Edwards is not worth it, much less a pro bowl running back and a future first.

I think youre forgetting how dominant he was two years ago when he racked up 80 catches and 16 TD's. When he's playing at the height of his game he is a Top 10 WR. I'll agree he has to be more consistent to prove he is Top 10 worthy on a yearly basis, but maybe he just needs a change of scenery.

If your going to judge him based on all of his drops last year(which I acknowledged above was a problem) that would be a little unfair just because of how horrendous the entire Cleveland Browns franchise was last year. It was a forgettable year all around for them.

A 1st of any sort would be a lot for him but you could say that for a lot of guys on that list(T.O., Ochocinco, Houshmanzadeh, Jennings, and Colston)

[Crickett]

A 1st of any sort would be a lot for him but you could say that for a lot of guys on that list(T.O., Ochocinco, Houshmanzadeh, Jennings, and Colston)

A first for a guy like T.O. OchoCinco and Houshmandzadeh would be a lot, but that has more to do with off the field concerns and/or their respective ages. All are on the wrong side of 30. Colston or Jennings, a 1st for 'em in a heartbeat without thinking twice.

Judging Edwards on his best year is a bit irresponsible considering...... he's only had one really good year. I mean, I did leave Roy Williams off the list for a reason.

[msolimani]

A first for a guy like T.O. OchoCinco and Houshmandzadeh would be a lot, but that has more to do with off the field concerns and/or their respective ages. All are on the wrong side of 30. Colston or Jennings, a 1st for 'em in a heartbeat without thinking twice.

Judging Edwards on his best year is a bit irresponsible considering...... he's only had one really good year. I mean, I did leave Roy Williams off the list for a reason.

No way I give up a 1st for Colston or Jennings. Not even if I have more than one to give away. Colston's not exactly the prime example for consistency either, he had one solid year that got blown out of proportion because of where he came from, one awesome year, and then theres last year which was a big let down for fantasy owners everywhere.

Anyway, all I was trying to say was that I think Edwards would thrive with a change of scenery. But it should be at the right price, I also think giving up a 1st for him would be a bad move. But it has nothing to do with his talent(drafted 3rd overall shows he has the talent), it has to do with his inconsistency.

[thetedginnshow]

I think Colston is a product of the system, but Jennings is the truth. People here would complain that he isn't a compliment to Cotch, but he's a great receiver.

These are the receivers I say are unquestionably better than Braylon:

Plaxico Burress
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Brandon Marshall
Calvin Johnson
Roddy White
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Hines Ward

I think you could make a case for:

Lee Evans
Santana Moss
Dwayne Bowe
Vincent Jackson
Greg Jennings
Donald Driver
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Chad Ochocinco
Santonio Holmes
Marques Colston
Antonio Bryant

So I mean, that's not necessarily a large list. In any case, I'm fairly sure Braylon is in his contract year, so anything but a conditional pick (contingent on production and if he re-signs) would be far too much. But really, he's had problems with drops all his career, even dating back to his Michigan days, and whether that's a confidence issue, a focus issue, or both, I think that alone makes him not worth it. Plus, he's had issues with injuries. And, while he wasn't terrible, he wasn't exactly a terrific teammate and we're all about team chemistry now. Beyond us being desperate, the only reason I see for bringing him is that we've had some success with the Wolverines players.

[Crickett]

No way I give up a 1st for Colston or Jennings. Not even if I have more than one to give away. Colston's not exactly the prime example for consistency either, he had one solid year that got blown out of proportion because of where he came from, one awesome year, and then theres last year which was a big let down for fantasy owners everywhere.

Career Stats more
Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles
G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2008 New Orleans Saints 11 6 47 760 16.2 70T 5 -- -- -- -- -- 1 0
2007 New Orleans Saints 16 14 98 1,202 12.3 45 11 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1
2006 New Orleans Saints 14 12 70 1,038 14.8 86T 8 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 215 3,000 14.0 86 24 0 0 0.0 0 0 2 1

These are Colston's career numbers. Two good years and one injured year where, for 11 games played, those are pretty good numbers.

Now here are Braylon Edwards

Career Stats more
Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles
G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2008 Cleveland Browns 16 16 55 873 15.9 70 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2007 Cleveland Browns 16 16 80 1,289 16.1 78T 16 -- -- -- -- -- 3 2
2006 Cleveland Browns 16 15 61 884 14.5 75 6 3 7 2.3 8 0 -- --
2005 Cleveland Browns 10 7 32 512 16.0 80T 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 228 3,558 15.6 80 28 3 7 2.3 8 0 3 2


A change of scenery might do good for Edwards, but it might not. Just the same, he's had one good year and he is in a contract year. Not enough to warrant a first, or really anything more than Thomas Jones straight up if that much.

[msolimani]

A change of scenery might do good for Edwards, but it might not. Just the same, he's had one good year and he is in a contract year. Not enough to warrant a first, or really anything more than Thomas Jones straight up if that much.

I feel like were saying the exact same thing. I don't think a first for Edwards would be a good move at all. I think where we differ is that I think Edwards can be a Top 10 WR with a change of scenery, maybe some new coaching or w/e will be able to solve his drops. Same with how Tiki Barber went from the ultimate fumbler to a top RB with the help of coaching.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Lets all agree that Jones and a 1st for Edwards is out of the question. No one disputes that.

How about the thought of Jones and a 3rd? How do people feel about something like that? I'm not saying this is what it would be, but people are focusing to much on a 1st rounder, so lets make it more reasonable, as we agree we wouldn't want that. Would this trade satisfy you? You get that #1 WR. You drafted a RB in the 3rd (possibly with the thought of trading Jones in mind) to replace his workload and remove somone who is over 30 and in a contract dispute. Edwards has his flaws, and given his only 1 real good season, we can't go soley off that, although the Browns certainly will. What is the happy medium that both sides would agree too? What is our breaking point?

[msolimani]

Lets all agree that Jones and a 1st for Edwards is out of the question. No one disputes that.

How about the thought of Jones and a 3rd? How do people feel about something like that? I'm not saying this is what it would be, but people are focusing to much on a 1st rounder, so lets make it more reasonable, as we agree we wouldn't want that. Would this trade satisfy you? You get that #1 WR. You drafted a RB in the 3rd (possibly with the thought of trading Jones in mind) to replace his workload and remove somone who is over 30 and in a contract dispute. Edwards has his flaws, and given his only 1 real good season, we can't go soley off that, although the Browns certainly will. What is the happy medium that both sides would agree too? What is our breaking point?

Good question. I'd say Jones and a 3rd is fair. I know I'd be happy with it because from the looks of it if Jones did play for us this year he will most likely not resign with us and just finish out his contract. That said, it would be good to get some value out of him instead of just letting him go for nothing.

[Crickett]

How about the thought of Jones and a 3rd? How do people feel about something like that? I'm not saying this is what it would be, but people are focusing to much on a 1st rounder, so lets make it more reasonable, as we agree we wouldn't want that. Would this trade satisfy you? You get that #1 WR. You drafted a RB in the 3rd (possibly with the thought of trading Jones in mind) to replace his workload and remove somone who is over 30 and in a contract dispute. Edwards has his flaws, and given his only 1 real good season, we can't go soley off that, although the Browns certainly will. What is the happy medium that both sides would agree too? What is our breaking point?

Remember, the Jets may already owe their third rounder to Philly.

The way I look at it, both of these guys are worth more to the team they already play for than the team they would be traded to.

When the Browns drafted Robieski and Massaquoi, who are complementary receivers, that kind of shut the door for trading Edwards. With him, they've got a pretty good WR corps going at least on paper. Without him, they don't.

On the other hand, being a 30 year old running back, the Jets are more likely to get more from Thomas Jones (being the AFC leading rusher) than for him.

So no, I wouldn't want to trade an aging but still very productive running back who wants more money and a third round pick for a younger underperforming WR who wants more money.

And if I were a Cleveland Browns fan, I wouldn't want to trade the lynch pin of the receiving group, ESPECIALLY after KWII was traded for an aging running back and a day 2 pick. Maybe if Donte hadn't killed someone. Maybe if KWII was still a Brown. But those are just maybe's and without Braylon, here is the Browns WR corps

Brian Robieski
Mohammad Massaquoi
Mike Furrey
David Patten (who will be 35 by the start of the season)
Syndric Steptoe

[thetedginnshow]

If Shonn Greene ends up being good, that'd lead me to believe we're no longer bad at picking third rounders, and so then I'd say no. Granted, if we were to make the trade we'd do so before Greene ever saw a regular season game, but still. Just doesn't seem worth it to me. If Braylon goes anywhere, it's going to be a big market city, and having just drafted two receivers, I kind of feel like the Giants would be out of the question next off-season. With Rex's master recruiting skills, I don't see why he wouldn't just want to play for us anyway. So to me, I feel as though we'd be giving up a third rounder for no reason, simply to just help the Browns out considering Braylon's not going back there. Plus, the only reason to do this trade would be if we thought we were a star receiver away from the Super Bowl this season, which unless Kellen really steps up or Sanchez ends up being the truth, I don't see why we'd think that. And then there's all the negatives about Braylon. So yeah. I'd rather we just not make a trade.

Honestly, if it was a one year deal, I'd much rather bring in a Plax for nothing than Braylon.

[derza222]

I'd definitely agree that I'd rather bring in Plax for nothing than Braylon. Both have some questions surrounding them, but if Plax can play I'd want him.

One question I would have is with regard to compensation for Edwards. We're talking first round pick, third round pick, when I'd imagine it would have to be some sort of conditional pick. Seems like every pick for player trade Tannenbaum makes involves a conditional pick, and this one is certainly a good scenario for it. Do they extend him, do they not extend him, does he end up being a Pro Bowl player again, or does he get the dropsies? Something like a fourth that could move up to a second seems to make sense. Fourth if we don't extend him and he's average-good, third if he puts up big numbers, second if we extend him and he makes the Pro Bowl or something astronomical. The only problems would be they'd have to factor it around the Lito trade and obviously giving up another 2010 pick. Both are doable though.

I could see Tannenbaum trying to pull the trigger if Plax can't play this season, nobody steps up in training camp, and Sanchez starts. Otherwise I think he goes after Plax or stands pat. No need to get a wideout if one of the guys on the roster surprises, and they can let KC play without a stellar WR corps if he wins the job.

[TimD]

I just made a thread with some mini camp pictures I found. Probably should have just posted them in this thread but whatever.

Also read 2 articles on our 2 most impressive UDFAs (Westerman and Bullock)

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2009/05/rutgers_product_jamaal_westerm.html

Former Rutgers defensive end-turned-linebacker Jamaal Westerman took roughly $12,000 less to sign with the Jets as an undrafted rookie free agent rather than another undisclosed NFL team.

It may be the best $12,000 Westerman never had.


In fact, in his first four practices at his new position, Westerman has been more impressive and instinctive than 2008 first-round pick Vernon Gholston, who made a similar switch last season. The 6-3, 260-pounder looks at ease dropping back in pass coverage and, of course, he can get after the quarterback.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/05/new_york_jets_hoping_jnathan_b.html

Once Bullock decided to give the NFL a try, he had little time to spare. He trained for just 10 days and then had a Pro Day at the school. Sixteen NFL teams sent scouts, all with visions of former college basketball player turned Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates in their eyes.

The Jets were so intrigued they dispatched tight ends coach Mike Devlin and scout Brendan Prophett.

"You have to understand, J'Nathan impressed all those people and he didn't have time to train," said Waters, adding that Bullock is more athletic than Gates (6-4, 260 pounds). "You don't know what you might have in this kid....

"It would surprise me if it doesn't work out. J'Nathan is bright, strong, athletic and his hands are as big as two of yours."

[Bills2083]

This idea of Thomas Jones to the Browns is confusing me.
The Browns obviously aren't going to be making a run this year, so why give up a good, potentially-great, young talent in Edwards, for a RB who is turning 31 in August?

It just doesn't make sense to me...

It would be a great deal for you guys, though if you're able to pull off a Jones/3rd for him.

[Crickett]

This idea of Thomas Jones to the Browns is confusing me.
The Browns obviously aren't going to be making a run this year, so why give up a good, potentially-great, young talent in Edwards, for a RB who is turning 31 in August?

It just doesn't make sense to me...

The only reason I can think of is all of the rumors than Mangini just doesn't want Braylon Edwards on his team.

It would be a great deal for you guys, though if you're able to pull off a Jones/3rd for him.

I think it would be a better deal for you guys (the Bills). The AFC leading rusher AND a mid round pick for an underperforming WR?

[TimD]

My roommate's best friend's older brother (i know i know) is the student football manager for USC. he has natl championship rings and ****. anyways he became good friend with multiple people on the team including Sanchez. since Sanchez doesn't know one person from the east coast he already said that he wants to hang with this kid a lot. soooo conceivably i could meet him!!!

i know roommate's best friend's older brother is like not a close friend, but my roommate lives 10 min from me and ive met his best friend. i told him that i would love to meet him, but would understand if i couldnt. he said at the very least an autograph which is very cool. im excited.

[thetedginnshow]

My roommate's best friend's older brother (i know i know) is the student football manager for USC. he has natl championship rings and ****. anyways he became good friend with multiple people on the team including Sanchez. since Sanchez doesn't know one person from the east coast he already said that he wants to hang with this kid a lot. soooo conceivably i could meet him!!!

i know roommate's best friend's older brother is like not a close friend, but my roommate lives 10 min from me and ive met his best friend. i told him that i would love to meet him, but would understand if i couldnt. he said at the very least an autograph which is very cool. im excited.

That's insanely awesome. Get a picture with him too so we can all collectively enjoy the awesomeness.

Also have him give a shout out to thetedginnshow...

[Crickett]

My roommate's best friend's older brother (i know i know) is the student football manager for USC. he has natl championship rings and ****. anyways he became good friend with multiple people on the team including Sanchez. since Sanchez doesn't know one person from the east coast he already said that he wants to hang with this kid a lot. soooo conceivably i could meet him!!!


A friend of mine played high school football with D'Brickashaw Ferguson. But I never got to meet him. :(

[TimD]

I'm not sure if a meeting could actually happen, but my roommate said it is definitely a possibility. like when i think about it he's only 2 years older than me and if he's going to be hanging out 10 min from me, there could be a chance of us partying together.


maybe im getting too far ahead of myself. ill settle for some autographed **** first haha

[TimD]

if i do meet him im definitely taking a picture with him.


then i will have the greatest sig in SWDC history. (and NFLDC history for that matter)

[AlexDown]

I saw Mike Hart at the Union and Ryan Mallet at the grocery store.....

[thetedginnshow]

Say this for Mark Sanchez — the kid just doesn’t play around. After Kerry Rhodes told me that Sanchez had already contacted the Jets’ receivers, I stopped TE Dustin Keller in the locker room Thursday and asked him if he had heard from the rookie quarterback.

“He texted us. He wanted to get together and throw a little bit before rookie minicamp,” Keller said. “He just wanted to get a feel what some of the routes are, so I met up with him and he’s looking really good.”

Without any prodding from the coaching staff or the organization, Sanchez smartly got to work with a few of the veterans before running plays with the rookies. Since league rules don't permit rookies to be at the facility during the week leading up to rookie camp, Sanchez connected with Keller at a local New Jersey high school. (Dustin, who attended Jefferson HS in Indiana, doesn’t recall the name.)

“It was actually just me and him,” said Keller, who caught 48 balls last season and will be a main cog in the offensive attack going forward. “We were out there for like 45 minutes to an hour, but he was throwing a really good ball. He puts it right where it needs to be every time and he’s a real cool guy, a real likable guy.”

Maybe Sanchez doesn’t own a howitzer like Brett Favre, but the kid has an arm that is more than adequate. All the reporters could see that last week at rookie minicamp and Keller says Sanchez was on the money during their informal throwing session.

“I thought he had a good arm. When I was coming out of the breaks, the ball was right there,” he said. “I was excited about it.”

In an outgoing and respectful manner, Sanchez has sent a clear message to his teammates. He’s not going to be intimidated by making a transition to the pro level and there is business to attend to.

“I liked that being a rookie, he’s trying to get all the guys to come out and throw. That says a lot about him and his leadership,” Keller said. “As soon as he got here, he was a man of his word. He was ready to go to work as soon as I got there.”

Sanchez certainly has the “it” you want in a quarterback. The Jets’ brass fell for him at his personal workout and he’s already getting rave reviews from his new teammates.

“He’s a laid-back guy but just ready to go at all times,” said Keller. "I don’t know — it’s hard to explain. He’s a real cool guy that is always trying to get better.”

http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/1048-keller-on-sanchez-ready-to-go-to-work-?rss_category=blog&rss_article_id=1048-keller-on-sanchez-ready-to-go-to-work-

[JETS5128]

I don't think it's possible to read these articles without getting goosebumps. God I'm excited for the season

[Hurricanes25]

Just from reading all this stuff on Sanchez, he sounds like a great leader. Obviously he hasn't had a hard time fitting in and it seems like all his teammates like him. If he could translate all this on the field, he is going to be fun to watch. I cant wait for the season to start.

[Hurricanes25]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/09/pacman-on-jets-radar/

The Jets are taking a look at Pacman. Im really suprised. We really dont have a need for him and I dont want him on our team. He has trouble written all over him. We dont need a guy of his character on our team.

[Crickett]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/09/pacman-on-jets-radar/

The Jets are taking a look at Pacman. Im really suprised. We really dont have a need for him and I dont want him on our team. He has trouble written all over him. We dont need a guy of his character on our team.

Hopefully its just due diligence. The Jets have Revis, Lito, Lowry and Donald Strickland.

[thetedginnshow]

That would be terrible. There's just too many strip clubs. It's interesting we're looking at these guys though. I know, due diligence and everything, but they wouldn't care if there wasn't some concern.

[josh07039]

I love make it rain jokes. I recognize that not only does our roster have enough depth at corner to not take a chance on Pacman, I also realize New York is the worst place for him. However, I love make it rain jokes.

[thetedginnshow]

There's one man in this town who can best relate to the potential pitfalls and glory that await Mark Sanchez, the Jets' prized first-round draft pick.

That man is Eli Manning.

The Giants mortgaged their future to acquire Manning on draft day in 2004, engineering the biggest trade in franchise history with the Chargers to make Manning a Giant.

Manning started nine games in his rookie year and struggled, drawing criticism from the cynics who thought the Giants spent too much to get him. In his fourth season, however, he led the Giants to a Super Bowl championship and now is somewhat of a made man in this town.

The Jets made a similar bold move in last month's draft, bolting up 12 spots in the first round to secure Sanchez, whom they hope will become the Super Bowl-winning franchise quarterback for them that Manning has become for the Giants.

Now, the pressure Manning felt six years ago is squarely on Sanchez.

Manning, in an exclusive interview with The Post, spoke about what Sanchez will face as a highly touted, high draft pick, rookie quarterback in New York with the blinding glare of expectations upon him.

"With Mark, it's the first time the Jets have a quarterback they went out and drafted early and there are a lot of expectations on him," Manning said. "There's a lot of hype going around him and people are going to want immediate results. It might happen and it could, but it's hard.

"You've got to go through some of the challenges of being a young player. There are going to be some low points. It's a matter of getting through those lows."

Manning, who met and spoke with Sanchez at the Super Bowl in February, said his first bit of advice for the rookie is to stay humble.

"It's always a little different situation when you're drafted as an early pick like both of us and you go into the locker room and people start seeing your contract and what you're making," Manning said. "You've got to go in there, keep quiet a little bit and work hard to earn the respect from your other players."

The daunting task of doing it in New York presents another challenge.

"In New York, it just goes game-by-game of how he's doing," Manning said. "That's just kind of the way it works in New York. There's not a whole lot of leeway with people saying, 'He's got it or he doesn't have it.' People are going to make quick decisions about you whether good or bad, and you can't let it affect you, good or bad."

Manning, too, warned of proper behavior off the field, something he has championed since coming here.

"Being around New York you're very visible, so you've got to watch out what you're doing and where you're hanging out," he said. "You've got to kind of think about how you want to be thought of and appear. It's a lot of live and learn."

Manning said he expects to reach out to Sanchez sometime this summer and offer whatever help he can.

"I'm sure we'll develop some sort of relationship, playing in the same town and probable seeing each other around New Jersey since the Jets moved here," Manning said. "Something will come up. Me and Chad [Pennington] hung out some and sent some text messages. You've got to deal with similar things around New York, and he was helpful to me when I first came here."

Manning said he doesn't think starting right away is paramount to Sanchez's success, but playing some his rookie year would help.

"He's in a good position where he's going to get some playing time his rookie year, and the Jets have a good team around him," Manning said. "That's the most important thing, however you get it. We went 1-6 in games I started [my rookie year]. The next season, I had a lot of confidence and we won NFC East. I don't think we could have had as successful a second year if it weren't for me getting playing time my rookie season.

"I think in Mark's case he'll definitely get playing time this year, so that'll be good."

Manning said winning the Super Bowl -- something expectant Jets fans are counting on with Sanchez -- completely changed the way he was perceived.

"It definitely was a great experience, and you love having one under your belt," he said. "You feel not so much that you have to keep proving yourself every game. You get some of the doubters out of there. But it doesn't end any hunger from my aspect. If anything it makes you hungrier to get back to a championship.

"Obviously with Mark, [winning a championship] is what the Jets are thinking. He's coming from a great program at USC and sounds like a great kid. I'm sure he'll get off to a good start and be a good player for the Jets for a long time."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05092009/sports/giants/eli_has_some_tips_for_sanchez_168379.htm?&page=0

The bolded part is an interesting tidbit. It's a bit of a contrast to what many here and elsewhere believe on starting rookie QBs since he doesn't seem to have a real issue with a rookie starting. As much as I hate him, I think Eli's completely right. It's nice to see him taking Mark under his wing too.

[princefielder28]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05092009/sports/giants/eli_has_some_tips_for_sanchez_168379.htm?&page=0

The bolded part is an interesting tidbit. It's a bit of a contrast to what many here and elsewhere believe on starting rookie QBs since he doesn't seem to have a real issue with a rookie starting. As much as I hate him, I think Eli's completely right. It's nice to see him taking Mark under his wing too.

That's quite the story. The big thing that'll help Sanchez when he takes the field and starts right away is that he'll have an offensive line in front of him that can keep him on his feet. If that wasn't the case then I think he wouldn't be getting the strong chance to play right away. You look at Stafford's situation and it's just flat-out awful, and even though getting experience is so important, when you're going to be put on your ass as much as he would, then it may not be worth the risk right away. Plus, beyond all the protection and experience stuff, Mark Sanchez is a natural born leader and that's what is most impressive about him.

[Hurricanes25]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/1049-jets-shop-madison-ave-opens?

The Jets opened up a team store in the city. Next time Im there I gotta stop in. They are going to have player appearences throughout the season. I need to go there.

[TimD]

i'll definitely still have to stop by once or twice this summer. looks cool

[thetedginnshow]

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/05/new_york_jets_resign_veteran_t.html

Apparently we re-signed Bubba Franks. Kind of funny. Personally I'm pulling for Jack Simmons to get the spot behind Keller.

[derza222]

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/05/new_york_jets_resign_veteran_t.html

Apparently we re-signed Bubba Franks. Kind of funny. Personally I'm pulling for Jack Simmons to get the spot behind Keller.

Not shocking that we re-signed Bubba, we really needed something at TE and with Gaines going to the Bears there really isn't much out there. I'm pulling for Bullock, but it seems like he'll have a bit of an uphill climb. If that's the same article I read in the paper today, Hutch mentions his confusion with re-signing Baker because he's a pass catching TE who doesn't bring the necessary blocking to compliment Keller. I was amused.

Apparently LW is not coming to the voluntary stuff because of his contract along with TJ. Means a lot of reps for Shonn Greene and Danny Woodhead I guess. Leon definitely has a lot more leverage than TJ because he's the team's most explosive offensive weapon and brings things to the table that a guy like Greene won't replace. Woodhead is the best shot on the roster to replace him but that's clearly a stretch. Obviously drafting Shonn helps with leverage though. We should have enough room to take care of him after signing Sanchez, Greene, and Slauson so if we don't do it before the season or at the very least during I'll be pretty disappointed. Would say something about his demands (6 million/year?) and how replaceable the FO thinks he is.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/05/new_york_jets_resign_veteran_t.html

Apparently we re-signed Bubba Franks. Kind of funny. Personally I'm pulling for Jack Simmons to get the spot behind Keller.

Would that be Jack Simmons the tight end from Minnesota? If so he was a stud in high school back in Illinois. Started on the varsity all four years at Carmel High School. Kid is just a football player. I hope he can stick with you guys.

[derza222]

Would that be Jack Simmons the tight end from Minnesota? If so he was a stud in high school back in Illinois. Started on the varsity all four years at Carmel High School. Kid is just a football player. I hope he can stick with you guys.

Yes it would. He was a tryout player in the rookie minicamp and was really the only tryout rookie who stuck, and the team signed him. Ryan specifically mentioned him a couple times in the presser as well. He definitely has a chance to stick with our issues at tight end, possibly the best of all of the tryouts because he showed some things as a blocker. If Bullock shows he has a chance to be special I think he may make it, but otherwise it seems like Simmons is in the league.

[thetedginnshow]

I kind of think it's crazy that Leon's demands are up to 6, unless that 4 mil estimate was just thrown out there by some writer. I don't know. I know he's dynamic and everything, but Brandon Jacobs is coming off of a 1,000 yard season and he got 6.25 per. IMO, Leon should be getting something like 5. I don't know what the Jets offered though, especially for it to be called "an insult". I hope they come to some middle ground because I don't want the Jets to completely give in but I certainly don't want him to just walk.

[thetedginnshow]

per Michael Lombardi

1. My phone was on fire last week with information about mini-camps and what players looked great, especially the draft picks. Not sure I’m buying this positively or negatively. The camps are just that — camps — and they’re a fresh look at the players, but to make a clear determination right now would be premature. However, one person I respect greatly who knows pro football inside and out, having played the game, told me that Mark Sanchez is the real deal — the real deal.

The real deal.

[Crickett]

I kind of think it's crazy that Leon's demands are up to 6, unless that 4 mil estimate was just thrown out there by some writer. I don't know. I know he's dynamic and everything, but Brandon Jacobs is coming off of a 1,000 yard season and he got 6.25 per. IMO, Leon should be getting something like 5.

Derrick Ward is coming off of a 1,000 yard season, is much closer of a running back to Leon than Brandon Jacobs and he got four mil a year give or take. To me, that is a much better indicator of what Leon should be getting. If he thinks he is worth 6 mil, he's nuts. He's an all-pro returner and an explosive playmaker, but come on. He had 800 yards rushing and receiving this past year.

[derza222]

per Michael Lombardi



The real deal.

Lets hope its true.


As for Leon, I think he should probably end up somewhere around 5 million/year as well. Six is a possibility, because then it would really depend on the guarantees.

The tough thing about a deal with him is that a lot of it is based on some sort of progression, with him getting the ball more. So he clearly thinks he's capable of outperforming those stats, and that's justifiable because he didn't get many touches in previous years. But at the same time, he hasn't proven he can hold up and consistently perform with more touches. So a lot of it will probably be incentive based.

It's going to be a sticky situation if the sides are that far apart that the first offer was insulting, and I don't think Tannenbaum is afraid to let him walk. We'll see what happens I guess, but I'd obviously like him to stick around.

[thetedginnshow]

Player A:

2007: 353 yards rushing, 5.0 avg., 3 TDs, 36 receptions, 213 yards receiving, 5.9 avg., 47 KRs, 1291 yards, 3 TDs
2008: 448 yards rushing, 5.9 avg., 6 TDs, 47 receptions, 355 yards receiving, 7.6 avg., 2 TDs, 48 KRs, 1231 yards, 1 TD


Player B

2007: 613 yards rushing, 6.0 avg., 1 TD, 28 receptions, 277 yards receiving, 9.9 avg., 52 KRs, 1317 yards
2008: 489 yards rushing, 5.1 avg., 4 TDs, 36 receptions, 338 yards receiving, 9.4 avg., 2 TDs, 51 KRs, 1311 yards

Player A wants to make 6 mil a year. Player B makes 400k and no one in their camp nor any fan is clamoring for them to get a new contract. Just sayin'.

[derza222]

You really had to make me look that up, didn't you? ;)

Point taken. Washington probably doesn't have as much value on another team with more playmakers, and it remains to be seen what he can do with more touches or if he's more or less at his limit. Things like us looking at Percy Harvin and drafting Shonn Greene for leverage make it look like we may not be deadset on sticking with LW.

I don't think he deserves absurd money, but he clearly does deserve a raise and it will be tough to figure out where he lands so he doesn't outperform that deal right after he gets it and start clamoring for a new one.

There certainly are scat backs that can be found who would compliment Mr. Greene very well and save us some money for more important players down the road (Revis, Mangold, Brick, Harris). That said it would be unfortunate to see him leave because he has been such a great player for this team over the years and can impact the game in so many ways.

[TimD]

Player A:

2007: 353 yards rushing, 5.0 avg., 3 TDs, 36 receptions, 213 yards receiving, 5.9 avg., 47 KRs, 1291 yards, 3 TDs
2008: 448 yards rushing, 5.9 avg., 6 TDs, 47 receptions, 355 yards receiving, 7.6 avg., 2 TDs, 48 KRs, 1231 yards, 1 TD


Player B

2007: 613 yards rushing, 6.0 avg., 1 TD, 28 receptions, 277 yards receiving, 9.9 avg., 52 KRs, 1317 yards
2008: 489 yards rushing, 5.1 avg., 4 TDs, 36 receptions, 338 yards receiving, 9.4 avg., 2 TDs, 51 KRs, 1311 yards

Player A wants to make 6 mil a year. Player B makes 400k and no one in their camp nor any fan is clamoring for them to get a new contract. Just sayin'.

i'm confused (and drunk)... who is player b?

[derza222]

i'm confused (and drunk)... who is player b?

Player B is Norwood.

[thetedginnshow]

The early word from the OTAs is that our defense is nasty. I have a feeling a lot of random people are going to have big years just because they're going to be able to use their athleticism more so than rummaging through a complex system.

[josh07039]

The early word from the OTAs is that our defense is nasty. I have a feeling a lot of random people are going to have big years just because they're going to be able to use their athleticism more so than rummaging through a complex system.
VERNON GHOLSTON

[TimD]

VERNON GHOLSTON

yeah ive read a couple of articles about how he's looking impressive. nice to hear

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

yeah ive read a couple of articles about how he's looking impressive. nice to hear

could you possibly post those articles. Its not that i don't believe you, i just need something more to actually get me excited with regards to Gholston. He shook me pretty bad last year....

[JETS5128]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoVXP1CUCAvap7L_KnafNC9DubYF?slug=cr-ryangeniuslabel051609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

“What a Jet is this year, may not be what one was last year,” Scott said. “A Jet is fearless, ferocious. He’s a guy that’s going to fly to the football, not back down from anybody. He’s going to be very physical, but he’s going to be a smart football player and work at his craft every day. Not for own personal accolades, but for the accolades of the group."

Oh yes

[derza222]

could you possibly post those articles. Its not that i don't believe you, i just need something more to actually get me excited with regards to Gholston. He shook me pretty bad last year....

Here's one. Honestly, I've been pretty negative about him as well, so it didn't get me too fired up about anything. But at least it's positive.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/05/gholton_impressing_new_jets_je.html

[josh07039]

Here's one. Honestly, I've been pretty negative about him as well, so it didn't get me too fired up about anything. But at least it's positive.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/05/gholton_impressing_new_jets_je.html
I never like getting down on a rookie, especially one with the physical ability oh gholston. In fact, I have and will continue to be overly optimistic about him. I think in Rex Ryan's scheme he could have around 8 sacks this year, maybe more. There is nothing to back that up and it probably won't pan out, but I see no reason why he can not, at the very least, get to quarterbacks.

The thing I like in that article is Ryan's ability to handle the media. That was a big part of mangini's fall from the mangenius days.

Just my personal axe to grind, but I think that the Star Ledger's Jets beat writer, Dave Hutchinson, is terrible. He says stupid things all the time, his grammar is for ****, and his sentences are awkward all the time.

[derza222]

I never like getting down on a rookie, especially one with the physical ability oh gholston. In fact, I have and will continue to be overly optimistic about him. I think in Rex Ryan's scheme he could have around 8 sacks this year, maybe more. There is nothing to back that up and it probably won't pan out, but I see no reason why he can not, at the very least, get to quarterbacks.

The thing I like in that article is Ryan's ability to handle the media. That was a big part of mangini's fall from the mangenius days.

Just my personal axe to grind, but I think that the Star Ledger's Jets beat writer, Dave Hutchinson, is terrible. He says stupid things all the time, his grammar is for ****, and his sentences are awkward all the time.

You be optimistic, I'll be pessimistic. I just never like to get my hopes up. It's my nature.

Ryan is great handling the media. I try to watch his pressers when I can just because he's just fun to watch. We'll see how his attitude trickles down to the team. Should be interesting.

Hutch is AWFUL. I still remember an article where he said that the Jets would be interested in Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing, both to play inside linebacker. Same article he completely ignores that Vontae Davis was benched at points last year. And then he goes on to talk about Josh Freeman's final season with the Kansas State Jayhawks. I almost lost it.

[thetedginnshow]

So so far we need one of us to become the new Jets beat writer and the rest have to get on making our own site. Excellent.

To be completely honest about Gholston though, having seen him in person last year at Ohio State, I was confused as to why he was such a high draft pick and didn't think that much of him, but as soon as he was a prospect for the Jets I was all over the chance of getting another Buckeye. But we'll see. I don't think he'll ever be a stud, but he can still be a very nice situational rusher. Never can have too many LBs in the 3-4.

[derza222]

I think the fact that he'll have his hand in the dirt in some packages will really, really help him out this year. I don't expect much, but it would be nice to see Ryan turn him into the monster that we all know he's physically capable of being.

On another note, I read one of the writers who loves Stuckey. Says he catches everything in sight and is fantastic after the catch. A virtual lock to be the #2 wideout according to this guy. I think the hands are a major perk for regardless of who we're going to have at quarterback, but I'm not sure I see Stuckey getting vertical which we may need in this run-oriented offense to keep pressure off of the run game. I still think of him as just a slot, too, and I know many Jets fans do the same. But we'll see, thus far all of the #2 WR talk has been Smith or Clowney and Stuckey may have taken that personally and really gone after it. No doubt he can do something for us in the receiving game, just depends on where and how big an impact. Would be a pleasant surprise to see him really take hold of that spot early on and not let it go though, I'd feel a lot more comfortable about the situation there.

[bored of education]

I really am pushing for Gholston to have a big year. He has Rex teaching him along with some of the players that know the system. When drafted I knew it would bea few years before he would contribute just because of the system change.

[josh07039]

So so far we need one of us to become the new Jets beat writer and the rest have to get on making our own site. Excellent.

To be completely honest about Gholston though, having seen him in person last year at Ohio State, I was confused as to why he was such a high draft pick and didn't think that much of him, but as soon as he was a prospect for the Jets I was all over the chance of getting another Buckeye. But we'll see. I don't think he'll ever be a stud, but he can still be a very nice situational rusher. Never can have too many LBs in the 3-4.
Im working on the beat writer thing, but its going to be a tough climb. Its a far way from Rutgers Womens Golf beat writer to Star Ledger Jets beat writer. A friend of mine may be hooking me up with a job for the Rutgers scout site, if that happens, I may already have written more legitimate stories than Hutch.

Have faith in Gholston. He is so big and fast. Obviously I'm being slightly sarcastic, but with his athleticism and Ryan teaching him, he could be successful sooner rather than later(maybe 2 years, showing flashes next year).

[thetedginnshow]

Im working on the beat writer thing, but its going to be a tough climb. Its a far way from Rutgers Womens Golf beat writer to Star Ledger Jets beat writer. A friend of mine may be hooking me up with a job for the Rutgers scout site, if that happens, I may already have written more legitimate stories than Hutch.

Have faith in Gholston. He is so big and fast. Obviously I'm being slightly sarcastic, but with his athleticism and Ryan teaching him, he could be successful sooner rather than later(maybe 2 years, showing flashes next year).

Haha. And here I was kidding. That's awesome. Good luck with that. But in other news...

Jets running back Leon Washington soon could end up with the new contract he covets.

A league source tells us that agent Alvin Keels has headed to New York for face-to-face negotiations. Typically, such events occur only when it looks like a sit-down will result in significant progress.

Washington is in the fourth-year of a slotted rookie deal that pays him the minimum base salary of $535,000 in 2009.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/18/keels-meeting-with-jets-on-leon-washington-deal/

HURRAH

[TimD]

lol we're up for the superfan voting. its going to be TTGS, rightfully so, but for some reason i'm getting some love lol. probably cause i post a lot in the off topic thread. i voted for derza

[derza222]

I would love for Josh to be the Jets beat writer. It would also be incredibly clutch for LW to get his new contract, lets hope it happens. And I can't decide on anyone to vote for in the superfan voting, because you're all just too awesome.

[josh07039]

I really hope the washington news is true, but hopefully it is not a contract that is ridiculous. I really hope he is not making anything close to MJD or Jacobs, because those were a few contracts I had heard about as being potentially similar.

[derza222]

Something in the ballpark of 4-5 mill/year would be good for Washington. I'll be disappointed with anything over 6. It'll be nice to have him back, but that's a lot of coin for a guy who hasn't done all that much in an expanded role.

[Crickett]

Something in the ballpark of 4-5 mill/year would be good for Washington. I'll be disappointed with anything over 6. It'll be nice to have him back, but that's a lot of coin for a guy who hasn't done all that much in an expanded role.

Anything above what Derrick Ward got and I'll be disappointed. He just hasn't done enough on offense to warrant it and its never wise to invest big money on a special teams ace.

[thetedginnshow]

I have to say we're not the best with contracts. I'd have to assume he's going to "overpay" by a bit. But we'll see.

[josh07039]

It's pretty clear that a new deal will mean overpaying based on his production. However there are a couple of reasons why even a contract that may seem like too much will still be good value.
1. Leon's production has been hampered by a poor coach that hasn't employed him properly. Therefore, it could be argued that his numbers are a poor indication of how much he has done for the team.
2. The offense clearly lacks weapons, so his importance is much larger than his past stats.
3. There is no clear replacement on the roster for him. Unlike Thomas Jones, he is not expendable. Without Leon, the offense is remarkably nonathletic and slow.
4. You can point to Darren Sproles, Jerious Norwood, Warrick Dunn(in his prime) and say that these guys can be found, but when you find a guy that is so explosive that the opposition must gameplan specifically for all the potential plays he can run, you should hold on to him.

I do not think Leon deserves as much money as he probably will get right now, however, he may end up earning it and more based on his talent and team need because of roster makeup

[thetedginnshow]

http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sanchez01.jpg

http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sanchez03.jpg

Pure sex.

[josh07039]

I think I'm in love. He needs to start just based on his sexiness.

[derza222]

We signed Slauson. I'll be more excited for some other contracts, particularly guys like Sanchez and LW if that happens, but it's nice to officially have the guy in the fold. Lets hope he turns out to be a monster and a late-round steal.

[Crickett]

http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sanchez01.jpg




And that just proves my theory........ Germans love Mark Sanchez.

[josh07039]

We signed Slauson. I'll be more excited for some other contracts, particularly guys like Sanchez and LW if that happens, but it's nice to officially have the guy in the fold. Lets hope he turns out to be a monster and a late-round steal.
Who cares man? Staring into Sanchez' eyes is like the first time I heard the Beatles.

All seriousness, I really don't forsee problems with Sanchez. I think both he and the organization understand that he needs to be in training camp on time to get up to speed. It sounds like its getting closer with Leon, so I'm not going to worry until there is something to worry about. It sounds like everything is going fine. I'll panic 10 times as much as everyone when everything starts blowing up though.

With Slauson, I just hope he serves as depth at a few positions on O-line. I've been told by a few people that are more familiar with him that he is capable of being passable at a few places on the line.

[derza222]

Scott gave us an A-. Not shocking since he loves the teams that go after quarterbacks, but it was nice to read a really positive review...

['cuse-213]

It seems like he also likes when teams go for quality over quantity, which we've been doing the past couple years.

[thetedginnshow]

The New York Jets were in a sticky situation. On paper they had all of the pieces in place to contend in 2009 expect the most important one: Quarterback. The problem was they were selecting in the middle of round one and there didn’t figure to be a an upper-echelon signal caller on the board at that point. However, like any good franchise the Jets realized the importance of the quarterback position and after identifying a prospect who they felt could be the answer to their problems they got proactive and did what it took to land him. Even though they only made three selections in the the 2009 NFL Draft the Jets were arguably the star of the show and the team that everyone was talking about. Was opting for quality over quantity the right move?

He likes us, he really likes us!

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

It seems like he also likes when teams go for quality over quantity, which we've been doing the past couple years.

It is always a slippery slope in this debate. In one sense, you want a whole bunch of guys who can make the team, giving you good depth and good competition. The more guys, the higher chance that some of them pan out, or you end up with a bunch of guys. But, there is always the chance that many don't see the field or don't even make the team. What good is a bunch of guys if they don't make it.

On the other side, if you are only taking a limited number of guys, you really can't build your depth and if even one doesn't make it, you really haven't added much to the whole team, and football isn't a one man game. But, if you get the guys you want and they stick, you very well could end up with the same number of guys making it, or having certain guys excel.

Both have upside/downside, and ultimately it comes down to the players you draft and how the system fits them. Ideally you do both by getting 5/6 guys who make it and play well, but that almost never happens. Scott appreciates teams that know what they want and go out and get it. I think this is a good approach so long as you do it effectively and don't do it every year, potentially mortgaging the ultimate depth of the team in both the short- and long-term.

A franchise QB is a situation you do it for. Greene's level of play will determine the worthyness of the second move, which i'm still out on.

[HawkeyeFan]

So ahm..., how's Shonn Greene looking guys?

[thetedginnshow]

So ahm..., how's Shonn Greene looking guys?

http://photos.nj.com/photos/star-ledger/d61c8a1dff8c6b7c54a583512d174c8a.jpg

Good?

[HawkeyeFan]

I still hate you all, the Rams WERE picking him the very next pick.

I hate you all with a PASSION! *end hate*

I hope he does well for you guys, definitely a steal!

[derza222]

I love Shonn, should be fun to watch him run next year. So glad we have a legit bruiser.

[josh07039]

I still hate you all, the Rams WERE picking him the very next pick.

I hate you all with a PASSION! *end hate*

I hope he does well for you guys, definitely a steal!
Well, I hate you all with a passion for disrespecting Brian Leonard while he was on your team, then trading him to the Cinci of all places.

Derza, you're a cinci fan. Whats his role looking like next year?

[derza222]

Well, I hate you all with a passion for disrespecting Brian Leonard while he was on your team, then trading him to the Cinci of all places.

Derza, you're a cinci fan. Whats his role looking like next year?

He should get a ton of play time on third downs, because Benson sucks there. They have a couple potential backs, but nobody nearly as good as Leonard, and I don't think they'll hurt his play time any. There also are some issues at fullback, so he could very well get play time there. And if Benson turns into old Benson instead of end of last year Benson, I could see Leonard getting quite a few touches in general. I think it's a good spot for him because he can impact the team in a lot of different ways, provided Bratkowski isn't an idiot and uses him like the versatile weapon that he is.

[HawkeyeFan]

Well, I hate you all with a passion for disrespecting Brian Leonard while he was on your team, then trading him to the Cinci of all places.

Derza, you're a cinci fan. Whats his role looking like next year?
Not my fault he couldn't stay healthy or beat our Antonio Pittman.

[josh07039]

Not my fault he couldn't stay healthy or beat our Antonio Pittman.
The getting hurt part is true. However, beating out Antonio Pittman is the Rams fault. They have been crappy talent evaluators on many occasions and that was one of them. Not using him was the decision of a coach that has an 11-25 record and has since been fired for incompetence. He refused to use Leonard even though he is really versatile. Not even as a receiver. A smart team has him getting carries as a backup, catching the ball out of the backfield, and even occasionally lining up at tight end. Hopefully the Bengals will recognize his skill set and actually use him.

[derza222]

Seems like Rexy loves Westerman. They've got him learning ILB in addition to OLB already. Seems like by far our top UDFA at the moment. Also kind of cool, right now they have defensive packages for Carrol and Ihedigbo. And Gholston got some praise, nothing major, but praise, from Ryan also.

['cuse-213]

Seems like Rexy loves Westerman. They've got him learning ILB in addition to OLB already. Seems like by far our top UDFA at the moment. Also kind of cool, right now they have defensive packages for Carrol and Ihedigbo. And Gholston got some praise, nothing major, but praise, from Ryan also.

The only UDFA I really, really care about is Southerland. He is a hell of a blocker and could start for us down the road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VhmOJ8kpF8

[Hurricanes25]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AunhG34sZIsLVAVC0D1wFZs5nYcB?slug=ap-jets-rhodes-rapeallegation&prov=ap&type=lgns

It says that Rhodes wasnt involved but I hope the article is right. Im going to admit that I was holding my breath while reading this.

[thetedginnshow]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AunhG34sZIsLVAVC0D1wFZs5nYcB?slug=ap-jets-rhodes-rapeallegation&prov=ap&type=lgns

It says that Rhodes wasnt involved but I hope ithe article is right. Im going to admit that I was holding my breath while reading this.

Happy birthday there. You're blessed with the birthday the day after mine!

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

He better not be......don't know what else to say.

[Da-Phins]

So how is Rex's defense looking so far? What all do you expect from it? Hate to say it but I really like this coaching staff and I think the Jets will have one damn good defense.

[TimD]

Seems like Rexy loves Westerman. They've got him learning ILB in addition to OLB already. Seems like by far our top UDFA at the moment. Also kind of cool, right now they have defensive packages for Carrol and Ihedigbo. And Gholston got some praise, nothing major, but praise, from Ryan also.

What do you mean by that? Packages specifically designed to get them on the field? Cause that wouldn't really be a bad thing. If we could utilize Carroll's speed on the defense side as well as special teams.

[derza222]

So how is Rex's defense looking so far? What all do you expect from it? Hate to say it but I really like this coaching staff and I think the Jets will have one damn good defense.

It supposedly looks really, really good in practice right now. So we'll see. Supposedly things are moving a lot faster than they thought and things are getting installed pretty quickly. I'm pretty excited about everything, hopefully it'll be a very effective defense.

What do you mean by that? Packages specifically designed to get them on the field? Cause that wouldn't really be a bad thing. If we could utilize Carroll's speed on the defense side as well as special teams.

I guess that's the idea, Ryan commented on it in one of his pressers but didn't go much into detail. I presume they're specific packages to take advantage of certain abilities that players have, like Carroll's speed like you said. The quote's below.

We have a great group of talented players and I think with Mike [Pettine] and all the other defensive coaches, I think they are doing a good job of teaching and finding out what our players can do and what they can do best. They are already mixing in certain packages. We have a package for "Batman" [Ahmad Carroll], we have a package for "Dig" [James Ihedigbo] and all these other guys and it’s fun to watch them.

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/2984-rex-s-thursday-news-conference