New York Jets Discussion

[Hurricanes25]

I like Kerley and the trade is fine. At the very worst he'll be a good return man.

[derza222]

FWIW apparently Powell was on all ST units besides punt returns in college. Think the two guys they've taken so far will both see a lot of time on specials and can fill roles (taking up carries, slot WR) on offense if things pan out. Gives a bit of a higher floor for the picks, although more ceiling would've been nice - although if things break well and they're right on Powell I think he could start. Also think they like having the 7th's this year since you can't just sign UDFA's after the draft, they'll get a couple of guys who have a shot to make the roster. Hopefully we find a little more upside there. I'd like a pass rusher - either a productive guy in college or a tools guy, and a corner with some good tools as well. Wouldn't say no to a safety either if there's somebody they like.

[TimD]

a lot of people say kerley is extremely versatile. maybe theyre trying to find insurance in case smith doesnt come back?

[derza222]

a lot of people say kerley is extremely versatile. maybe theyre trying to find insurance in case smith doesnt come back?

I'd guess Smith's going to want more money than they're willing to pay for a return guy, wildcat QB, and occasional slot WR, especially given there are so many free agents at other critical positions. Think Kerley's more replacement than insurance.

[derza222]

McElroy's an interesting pick, thought they might take a QB. Interesting if they can turn him into a guy worth trading or if they think he's going to be a solid long-term backup.

[Hurricanes25]

I'm fine with McElroy. Clemens is a free agent, Brunell is old and O'Connel is not any good. He is a smart guy and may be Sanchez's long term backup.

[derza222]

Last pick coming up, would like to see them take a bit more of a risk than the previous ones and go after a player with upside - pass rusher or a DB maybe. Could definitely see them going blocking TE or OL instead though.

[Hurricanes25]

Good saftey's on the board in Deunta Williams, Joe Lefeged and Jerron Johnson. Would not mind going that route.

[Hurricanes25]

Scotty McKnight, WR from Colorado. I don't know much about him but I do know that he was a productive player in college.

Edit: Apparently he is Sanchez's best friend. njx also likes him.

[derza222]

Yeah I don't know a ton about McKnight either - did know that he and Sanchez were tight which makes the pick a little less appealing, just makes you wonder if that was a factor and they picked a guy more than just on the tape. Saw that some of the guys on the board like him, maybe he sticks as a slot guy, we'll see. Really can't say much one way or the other about him, but I hope it works out.

[derza222]

Interesting thing, Tannenbaum gave a little insight into the drafting process when he talked about the move up for Kerley. Basically said that they have a list of 5 or 6 players every round they'd be happy to get, and the decision to move up for Kerley was because they went from that list being at 5 to 1 very quickly and had a ways to go before their pick so they felt they had to make a move to get him.

Looking at the players taken before Kerley you've got Denarius Moore, Dion Lewis, Jason Pinkston, Ahmad Black, and TJ Yates. Now after taking Powell I'd imagine they didn't want to take Lewis - but Moore, Pinkston, Black, and Yates (they did subscribe to that QB every year theory) all would have made some sense. Gives some insight - though it's very possible I missed on a couple of players there or somebody was picked a few slots earlier - into who they were targeting in the 5th round and what kinds of players they like to go after. Just thought it was interesting.

[Jersey/B]

All in all, I am very pleased with this draft. As I said before, the war is won in the trenches. Our d-line was upgraded significantly with Wilkerson & Ellis (IF his charges get lowered to probation or what not). They should make an immediate impact on our defense, including the pass rush.

Really like the Kerley pick in the 5th round. He will replace Smith and, based on what I hear, is a special teams ace. The Jets pride themselves on their special teams. We know it wins games. To have someone to come in with KR/PR as their bread & butter for a 5th round pick is good value.

The McKnight pick seems like, after reading his article online, a Sanchez influenced move. Not saying MT or Rex didn't do any homework on him, but I get that feeling. We'll see how it works out. Hopefully he'll be good value.

Now, if we could sign Joe Lefeged, it'll be a really great draft!

[Hurricanes25]

Now, if we could sign Joe Lefeged, it'll be a really great draft!

I would love to have him and the Jets have shown in the past that they will sign guys out of Rutgers (Westerman, Renkart, Collins, Girault, and a few others).

Lefeged is talented enough to make the team and he is a fantastic special teamer.

[JETS5128]

After letting the dust settle, i really have to say that i love what we did in this draft.

Wilkerson and Ellis both have the chance to be major contributors this year and solid starters for the next 10. Wilk, Ellis, Devito, Pouha, Ropati is a good D-line rotation. If we bring back Shaun Ellis then its a phenomenal rotation

The Powell pick shows that LT is going to be reduced to almost exclusively a 3rd down RB, which is a great idea IMO. The less work he receives the fresher and more effective he gets. Powell is similar to Greene (downhill, powerful, decisive runner) but he has more speed and quickness so i think they can compliment each other well. He still imposes his will on defenders and wears down defenses (something LT just cant do anymore)

The Kerley pick IMO means goodbye Brad Smith. I really have no problems with this as it gives us more money to pay Braylon and Holmes. There should be no dropoff on kick returns cuz Westhoff is a genius. Eventually i think Kerley also shows some potential as a slot receiver, more so than Smith.

Those were the big picks for me. McElroy will hopefully become a good back-up and friend for Sanchez and i really don know much about McKnight. If we hit on our first 4 tho nothing else really matters. Those are 4 pieces that will be contributors on this team for a long,long time

[Jersey/B]

The lockout is lifted until June 3rd at the latest. Very good thing for these rookies who can get their hand on the playbook now, no matter what happens after.

[derza222]

Braylon Edwards apparently would like to stay with the Jets, says he isn't asking for "the moon". Also said he thinks that the fact that the Jets didn't add a big receiver in the draft helps him out a little in the negotiation process, which is probably true. Definitely going to be interesting to see what happens with receivers in free agency...If Keller progresses as he should that might minimize the need to bring back both Holmes and Edwards as well.

[JETS5128]

Braylon Edwards apparently would like to stay with the Jets, says he isn't asking for "the moon". Also said he thinks that the fact that the Jets didn't add a big receiver in the draft helps him out a little in the negotiation process, which is probably true. Definitely going to be interesting to see what happens with receivers in free agency...If Keller progresses as he should that might minimize the need to bring back both Holmes and Edwards as well.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoTM1y6MQkf91U09OZq7T005nYcB?slug=nfp-20110504_braylon_edwards_willing_to_give_jets_a_di scount

Best news I've heard all day

[Jersey/B]

The more this off season plays out, the more I like Braylon over Santonio. Edwards has shown he really wants to stay on the team while, if anything, Holmes has shown he's looking for the dollars. Sign the guy who sincerely wants to win in Green & White. Also, Holmes has never really been a #1 receiver. He has the athletic ability & talent for it sure, but that's never been his role.

[josh07039]

The more this off season plays out, the more I like Braylon over Santonio. Edwards has shown he really wants to stay on the team while, if anything, Holmes has shown he's looking for the dollars. Sign the guy who sincerely wants to win in Green & White. Also, Holmes has never really been a #1 receiver. He has the athletic ability & talent for it sure, but that's never been his role.Do you really think Braylon will keep his effort level up if he gets a long term deal? He's been lazy in the past and his attitude kinda sucks.

[Hurricanes25]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjludToKuHVCNtoJdKOKq1E5nYcB?slug=sports xchange-000361778_report-jets-rookie-could-face-deportation

This could suck big time.

[JETS5128]

We hired Tom Moore as an offensive consultant. Personally I love the move

[Hurricanes25]

From what I'm reading and what I've heard, Nmadi Aso really wants to play for the Jets. We would have to cut some vets like LDT and Taylor, not sign Cro and Brad Smith, and restructure Harris and Sanchez's contracts. We have a shot to get him.

[JETS5128]

Here's the real question though, would you guys rather have:

Braylon+Holmes+whatever else we do with our cap space (sign pass-rusher, TE, safety, etc.)

OR

Holmes+Aso

If we lock up Edwards and Holmes long term we have the potential to be one of the top flight passing attacks in the league. Honestly, Sanchez in his 6th or 7th year throwing to Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, Keller would have opposing D's ******** their pants every week. That would give us an elite offense capable of hanging up 30+ any given game. Not to mention that we would have additional cap room to try and address other needs (pass-rusher)

On the other hand Revis + Aso has the potential to be something this league has never seen before. These guys are hands down the two best corners on the planet. It would give Rex a literally endless amount of flexibility with his play-calling and design. He basically gets the choice of "hmmmm, which 2 receivers am i taking out of this play?", leave them on an island and send the house at the qb with his genious blitzes. Bringing Holmes back as well still gives us a solid recieving corps. (Arguable whether we need an elite corps b/c we're a run-based ground+pound offense.) And it makes us the #1 D in the league easily.

Me personally, I would really love to see Aso come to NY. Yes it would mean saying goodbye to some solid veterans (Taylor, T-Rich, Bryan Thomas, LT?, Ellis?) but they are all pretty replaceable. Aso+Revis would dominate for the next couple years which combined with Marky Marks progress would make us perennial favorites every year. Not to mention Kyle Wilson will be getting tutored by the best CB's of this generation making him a beast as well.

[JETS5128]

Holmes

Aso

Antwan Barnes

If we pull that off I will cream my pants that is literally a perfect off-season

[Hurricanes25]

Aso chose the Eagles but this certainly ain't the end of the world for us. We had $10 million to spend and then we also restructured the contracts of Pace, Tomlinson, Moore, and Scott. We have plenty to spend still. Look for us to bring back Edwards and Cro.

[derza222]

Bummer we missed out on Aso, not necessarily sure whether or not it would have been the best move for the team but as a football fan I was really curious to see what Aso and Revis on the same team would have been like. In the meantime, more corners are definitely needed (particularly with Coleman leaving too) and the #2 WR spot has to get finalized. Bringing back Cro would be nice if he elects to do so. However, I'm not sure that going a little cheaper with another guy would be an awful move. I'm slightly concerned about how Cro is going to play once he gets paid and since he's going to the highest bidder I'd rather not overpay him. As for the WR's I'd like to bring back Braylon but apparently it's unlikely. James Jones, Malcolm Floyd, Plax, Randy Moss, TO, and Steve Smith are the options supposedly. Jones is really talented but super inconsistent (particularly with his hands IMO), Floyd's an alright option but hasn't been super productive, Smith is a little banged up and I'd like more size, Plax apparently they're going to push for and who knows how he'll play, Moss is also apparently a valid option and I'm sure he'd love to stick it to the Pats when they play so that'd be cool but he worries me, and TO's productive but I really don't want any piece of him. Should be interesting to see what happens there. Also just saw Donald Strickland was re-signed, so there's some corner depth I guess.

[JETS5128]

Plax signing is solid. Obviously would have loved to have Braylon back but he was going to cost too much. If we can hammer out these next two deals with Heap and Cro then i will be a very happy camper

[josh07039]

I never really liked the pursuit of Aso, but luckily it all worked out with getting Cro back. From the start of the Aso negotiations, I thought about it like A beautiful mind where Russell Crowe comes up with the economic theory by chasing girls in the bar. Going after the hottest girl is usually a bad idea because she i likely to reject you and then if you go after one of the less attractive ones, they will feel like a consolation prize and be more likely to reject you as well. I was just so worried that while we waited for Aso to decide, everyone would be deep in negotiations with others and we might end up with Kyle Wilson across from Revis.

One guy I really hope we resign is Ihedigbo. I want him back so badly. He is probably my favorite player on the team for his name and violence.

[GET LOOSE]

I would have loved to get aso but im greatful to have gotten cro back. Revis has even said he likes having guys around him he has played with. Chemistry is important and i think our secondary is looking good for next year. And i definitely agree i want ihedigbo back i love that guy

[JETS5128]

Re-signed Pool which is a good move IMO. Builds upon the chemistry in our secondary and also gives us adds athleticism to the safety position.

Word is that Derrick Mason is gonna be a jet friday pending a physical. Probably a sign that Cotchery is gonna be traded hopefully in an effort to add a pass rusher

[GET LOOSE]

I like mason but i dont want cotch to go when hes healthy hes a great 3rd option. And i agree re-signing pool was a good move i like the comination of him and smith.

[Hurricanes25]

I actually kinda hope Mason fails the physical. Getting rid of Cotch would be a mistake unless we trade him for something decent.

[JETS5128]

IMO Mason is a little better than Cotch at this point, plus he would save us some money. I like the move although it would be sad to see Cotchery leave b/c he's been with us for so long

[GET LOOSE]

If cotch is healthy then id choose cotch over mason. I think mason would be a nice addition but losing cotch doesnt help. And i doubt we get much if we trade him

[GET LOOSE]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15397291/jets-eye-mason-as-third-receiver-release-cotchery

Its such a shame cause he really was one of my favorite jets and he was such an underrated wr as well as a great teammate i wish him the best

[msolimani]

First we let one of my favorite Jets go in Cotchery, now this....

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/6212/shaun-ellis-visits-the-patriots

[GET LOOSE]

I will literally cry if ellis and cotch go 2 the pats. Y cant we just offer a little more money to ellis he woud be a great mentor for wilkerson and kendrick. Plus he still has a bit left in the tank. And were also letting ihedigbo go. So many fan favorites are leaving =(

[Hurricanes25]

I'm hearing/reading a lot of good things about rookie wideout Jeremy Kerley. Hopefully he'll be able to contribute in 4 reciever sets and on special teams this year.

[GET LOOSE]

I like kerley I would love if he can turn into a good slot wr. Im hoping mason signs with us since we already released cotch. If he doesnt maybe we can take a look at steve smith? I know his injury was a bad one but ive always liked him and if he realizes his value is down from the injury that and drops his asking price i wouldnt mind trying him out.

On another note im hearing good things about joe mcknight in camp. Rex said hes looking explosive. Hopefully he keeps up the good progress and can help shonn out in the backfield

[Hurricanes25]

I would be all for bringing in Steve Smith. Like you said, he is coming off an injury/surgery so we could get him cheap. I would for sure give him a 1 year contract.

And maybe Mcknight isn't a wast of space after all. At the very least, I hope he could help returning kicks.

[GET LOOSE]

So we just got mason which is a nice addition he should be a positive influence for sanchez. And yea im hoping mcknight can at least be someone like justin miller was for us a few years ago.

[TimD]

we lost shaun ellis to the pats :(

[Hurricanes25]

About Shaun Ellis...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/08/shaun-ellis-doesnt-feel-like-rex-ryan-respects-him/

Speaking on NFL Live Monday, Ross Tucker said the Jets had concerns Ellis would be a bad influence on youngsters Kenrick Ellis and Muhammad Wilkerson. Tucker said there was a feeling that Ellis wasn’t totally with the program and didn’t practice hard. Those concerns were expressed to Tucker before Ellis jumped ship

I'm shocked. I always thought he was a good locker room guy.

[msolimani]

Also about Shaun Ellis as well as the entire Jets team....

http://espn.go.com/new-york/video/clip?id=6843695


Skip Bayless is a douche. I usually hate listening to him but at least he makes a good point here or there. I think he is way off by saying our window for winning a championship will close after this year. I don't think we're in trouble at all right now. Everyone sees the Patriots making these moves and yeah they will probably work out, but they made those moves to catch up to us after last years loss. Our biggest concern is the progression of Mark Sanchez in his 3rd year. If he takes that next step then our WR core and offense as a whole is better than last years, because they only go as far as the QB. I hated seeing Ellis go but we do have depth on the D-line which we didn't have last year. I think big things are on the way this year.

[Hurricanes25]

Skip does make some good points especially Edwards > Plax and how the Jets disrespected Ellis. (I don't think Ellis is a big loss...a little loss). But as msolimani said, right now it's about Mark Sanchez. If he takes a step or 2 foward, we'll be a much better team.

[Hurricanes25]

LB Jamaal Westerman has looked very good in camp thus far. Rex said he'll be used a s a situational pass rusher this year.

Rookie WR Jeremy Kerley has also continued to impress the coaching staff.

[Hurricanes25]

The first depth chart was released today. No shockers but here are the things that stand out to me:

RT: Wayne Hunter over Ducasse.....I can't say that I'm surprised but I think it tells us that Ducasse still has a long way to go.

FS: Smith over Pool. Lowery is listed as the backup SS. Lowery is a better fit at FS, imo.

Jeremy Kerley is listed as the punt and kick returner.

[AlexDown]

Jets have done a great job locking up some of their key players. I'm hoping the D doesn't lose a step from last year.

Not to rehash old news, but I am still completely confused about why Cotchery was released. Each side is saying the other was the reason. Did I miss something? Can anyone clarify?

Going from Smith / Edwards / Cotchery to Burress / Mason is concerning. We were spoiled with our WRs last year...

[AHungryWalrus]

Jets have done a great job locking up some of their key players. I'm hoping the D doesn't lose a step from last year.

Not to rehash old news, but I am still completely confused about why Cotchery was released. Each side is saying the other was the reason. Did I miss something? Can anyone clarify?

Going from Smith / Edwards / Cotchery to Burress / Mason is concerning. We were spoiled with our WRs last year...

It seems to be that as soon as we looked into Mason, Cotchery decided it was time to move on. And I don't blame him at all. That was kind of a slap in the face. I mean, clearly, I don't know 100% for sure, but right after that was when he asked to be released / traded, and made his statement about how it was time to move on.

He gave everything to this team for 7 years, and we jumped at the chance to give his role to someone 8 years older than him. Whoops.

[derza222]

Is it just me, or is the competition for roster spots at the back end of the WR position going to be really interesting? Holmes, Burress, Mason, and Kerley are obviously locks to make the roster. Then there's Scotty McKnight who appears to have made some plays and obviously has the Sanchez factor working for him, Patrick Turner who also has a bit of a Sanchez connection and they've kept on the roster for a bit, and UDFA Michael Campbell from Temple who apparently has a real shot. Think the D-Line with guys like Gilbert, Tevaseu, and Dixon behind the guys who are locks (DeVito, Pitoitua, Wilkerson, Ellis, Pouha) should be interesting as well. I'd like to see all 8 make the roster, really, but I like having good linemen on the roster and think the younger dudes have some interesting potential.

[Hurricanes25]

I'm with ya Derza. A lot of interesting battles going on more toward the bottom of the depth chart. You mentioned WR which is going to be very interesting to watch on Monday. I have never seen Campbell (I think I have, I just don't remember him....could be good or bad haha) and I have seen very very little of Scotty Mcknight. At D-line, I would love to see Gilbert make it and I know the staff likes Dixon.

Hell, there is a very interesting battle for the 3rd HB. Joe Mcknight against Powell. I think both will make the roster and we'll just carry 1 fb.

I can't wait until Monday.

[sbh15]

how is shon greene looking in camp for you guys? i have the first overall pick in my keeper draft and i'm thinking of taking him because i need a rb bad. everyone had him pegged for the big year last season, which i didn't buy. this year, though, i have a weird feeling about him.

[Hurricanes25]

how is shon greene looking in camp for you guys? i have the first overall pick in my keeper draft and i'm thinking of taking him because i need a rb bad. everyone had him pegged for the big year last season, which i didn't buy. this year, though, i have a weird feeling about him.

I think he'll have a good year. He'll be getting a lot more carries this year, more than Tomlinson will. I expect him to have 1000 yards and maybe 6-8 touchdowns. I'm sure Tomlinson will steal some redzone carries, though.

[derza222]

Hope the offensive line stays healthy this year, because goodness the backups look absolutely brutal out there.

[TimD]

vlad ducasse looked completely lost

[Hurricanes25]

Ducasse is really terrible. I'm not sure he is going to ever start for us.

ILB Josh Mauga looked very good as did TE Jeff Cumberland.

[derza222]

Ducasse is really terrible. I'm not sure he is going to ever start for us.

ILB Josh Mauga looked very good as did TE Jeff Cumberland.

Agreed on all counts. Hopefully next year they start to address the OL via the draft, it's been kind of needed for awhile like the DL was and the depth is atrocious at this point. Could definitely upgrade LG or RT, and/or add depth, so there are a lot of positive things they could do there.

Though Mauga looked really solid, possible successor to Scott maybe, and I love Cumberland. Was a big fan of his last year, and like him a lot still. Moves so well for a guy his size, if he improves his blocking think he's got a chance, hopefully we see him in there some in 2 TE sets this year.

Signed Aaron Maybin. Probably amounts to absolutely nothing, but given I'm sure the contract was non-guaranteed I guess it's worth taking a shot. Hopefully he flashes some (though I know that's extremely unlikely), anybody who can provide anything resembling a pass rush would be nice.

[redbills]

lol, Maybin he can't get passed Buffalos 3rd string LT in practice that is saying a lot. He was killed my Barber on a pass rush move (not sure you call running 10 yards up the field trying to run past the guy so I'll call it a "move" but it is his only "move") was throw like a rag doll. The dude couldnt make it at OLB for the Bills how can he make it with the Jets? Came to camp at 228 pounds? WTF, you had how long to bulk up this offseason and you come in at 228?? If i was Nix I would have cut him on the spot. I am 100% sure this is a "Hey Aaron what the Bills D playbook look like" move by the Jets and when they get what they want to know Aaron will be once again cut looking for a job.

[Hurricanes25]

lol, Maybin he can't get passed Buffalos 3rd string LT in practice that is saying a lot. He was killed my Barber on a pass rush move (not sure you call running 10 yards up the field trying to run past the guy so I'll call it a "move" but it is his only "move") was throw like a rag doll. The dude couldnt make it at OLB for the Bills how can he make it with the Jets? Came to camp at 228 pounds? WTF, you had how long to bulk up this offseason and you come in at 228?? If i was Nix I would have cut him on the spot. I am 100% sure this is a "Hey Aaron what the Bills D playbook look like" move by the Jets and when they get what they want to know Aaron will be once again cut looking for a job.

Yeah, I really don't expect Maybin to make the roster. He's too small to play in the system like you said. However, I really don't think the Jets signed him to just ask him what the Bills playbook looks like. If he was on the Patriots, then maybe but no offense, I don't think the Jets care what the Bills playbook looks like but who knows. I think Rex just wants to see if he can salvage something out of him.

[derza222]

Agreed on all counts. Hopefully next year they start to address the OL via the draft, it's been kind of needed for awhile like the DL was and the depth is atrocious at this point. Could definitely upgrade LG or RT, and/or add depth, so there are a lot of positive things they could do there.

Though Mauga looked really solid, possible successor to Scott maybe, and I love Cumberland. Was a big fan of his last year, and like him a lot still. Moves so well for a guy his size, if he improves his blocking think he's got a chance, hopefully we see him in there some in 2 TE sets this year.
Signed Aaron Maybin. Probably amounts to absolutely nothing, but given I'm sure the contract was non-guaranteed I guess it's worth taking a shot. Hopefully he flashes some (though I know that's extremely unlikely), anybody who can provide anything resembling a pass rush would be nice.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_jeff_cumberland_joins_dus.html

Awesome.

Also, I agree there's basically no chance Maybin makes it. Would be nice to get lucky with him, but obviously that's really unlikely. Next year in the draft, maybe? A pass rusher would be really nice, as much as I like BT and his coverage skills do help the defense a bunch as he's probably the team's best coverage LB and that adds flexibility, he could really be upgraded.

I didn't mention it, but thought Powell looked interesting during the game last night as well. Like the way he runs, but apparently he's been pretty quiet during camp thus far. He really needed to be a good player to warrant them choosing a 4th back so early, and hasn't done so thus far. Hopefully he can pull it together.

[Hurricanes25]

Definitely happy about the Cumberland news. He is a guy who can cause matchup problems over the middle of the field. I'm really excited to see those 2 TE sets.

Powell looked solid last week. He does nothing special but he seems like a decent all around back. But yeah, he has been quiet so far. I actually think he makes the 53. My guess is we'll carry 5 backs- 4 hb's and Connor.

I'm sick of Joe McKnight. It looks like Kerley beat him out at the returner spots and the guy is miserable in pass protection. He is pretty much useless.

[Hurricanes25]

The offense played really well. Sanchez looked very comfortable out there making a couple of very nice throws. Keller and Holmes played well and how about Plaxico? He looked great. His ability to find holes in the secondary is amazing. He is going to come up huge for Sanchez this year. I’m really excited.

On defense I really liked the way Kenrick Ellis played. He’s a huge dude in the middle of the line. Even though he played against backups and 3rd stringers, he was impressive.

And Aaron Maybin had a sack!

[Hurricanes25]

Somewhat early 53 man roster prediction

QB
Mark Sanchez
Mark Brunell
Greg McElroy

RB
Shonn Greene
Ladanian Tomlinson
Joe McKnight
Bilal Powell

FB
John Connor

WR
Santonio Holmes
Plaxico Burress
Derrick Mason
Jeremy Kerley
Logan Payne
Patrick Turner

TE
Dustin Keller
Matthew Mulligan
Jeff Cumberland

OL
D’Brick Ferguson
Matt Slauson
Nick Mangold
Brandon Moore
Wayne Hunter
Vlad Ducasse
Robert Turner
Robby Felix

DE
Muhammad Wilkerson
Mike DeVito
Ropati Pitoitua
Marcus Dixon

NT
Sione Pouha
Kenrick Ellis
Martin Tevaseu

OLB
Calvin Pace
Bryan Thomas
Jamaal Westerman
Aaron Maybin

ILB
David Harris
Bart Scott
Josh Mauga
Brashton Satele
Nick Bellore

CB
Darrelle Revis
Antonio Cromartie
Kyle Wilson
Marquis Cole
Donald Strickland

S
Jim Leonhard
Eric Smith
Brodney Pool
Dwight Lowery
Emmauel Cook

K/P
Nick Folk
TJ Conley

LS
Tanner Purdum

* A couple of things-

- I'm not sure if we carry 6 WR's or 4 TE's. I went with the 6th WR. Payne is good on special teams and Turner is a good depth guy just in case Plax or Mason get hurt. I could see us keeping TE Josh Baker instead of Payne or Turner though.

- I rather keep 5 OLB's than 5 ILB's but I'm not sure who that 5th OLB would be.

[Hurricanes25]

I'm not happy at all with the way the starters played last night. The O-line had problems last night picking up the blitz. We're pretty lucky Sanchez has the ability to escape because he almost took a couple of big hits. The starting defense wasn't much better, either. They gave up a lot of yards. They were however able to make a few plays when they needed to.

Cumberland has pretty much been invisible since the Houston game. I'm wondering if the Jets are trying not to expose him in the pre season? I expect him to contribue this year.

Nick Bellore probably made the team with that performance last night. He looked good on special teams, forcing a fumble on a punt return. He also looked good when he got a shot on defense and got after the QB.

[Hurricanes25]

We cut Maybin today and signed WR Mardy Gilyard. I loved him coming out but he hasn't done anything yet.

Greg McElroy was put on IR and we signed Kevin O'Connell.

[M.O.T.H.]

You also claimed our safety, Andrew Sendejo.

He wasnt overly impressive or anything for us. Hopefully he doesnt divulge all of Rob Ryan's secrets. :) The one thing he does have going for him, is his intelligence. Not too sure how much of a football player he is, though.

[derza222]

Didn't really get bringing in Sendejo. Could divulge a thing or two about the Cowboys, but you would imagine Ryan would have some guesses as to what his brother might do. I did like Gilyard coming out as well, but he really hasn't done much like you said. Think keeping 6 WR's is weird given Payne is going to be out a few weeks with his wrist injury. Also was disappointed that MTV and Gilbert got cut, would have liked them to keep all 8 defensive linemen.

[Hurricanes25]

Gilbert was added to the practice squad so at least we still have him. I thought MTV played very well in the pre season so I was surprised that we let him go.

[derza222]

Yeah it's nice to have Gilbert, Turner, and Josh Baker (whose potential I liked & who could come in handy if Terminator gets hurt) on the practice squad. Hopefully MTV doesn't get claimed and gets added to the practice squad too. Frankly I'd take him on the team over Sendejo, Payne, Gilyard, and probably McIntyre too. Six WR's is a little excessive, same with five safeties. I'm disappointed we gave other teams a shot to pick him up.

[JETS5128]

Yeah it's nice to have Gilbert, Turner, and Josh Baker (whose potential I liked & who could come in handy if Terminator gets hurt) on the practice squad. Hopefully MTV doesn't get claimed and gets added to the practice squad too. Frankly I'd take him on the team over Sendejo, Payne, Gilyard, and probably McIntyre too. Six WR's is a little excessive, same with five safeties. I'm disappointed we gave other teams a shot to pick him up.

MTV made it to PS but Baker got cut

What are your guys expectations for this year? We play in 5 days and the roster is set. I think we make 12-4 which will put us in a great position to win the division (I see the Pats going 11-5) and could possibly be a first round bye. I know its pretty optimistic but I really think were set up good this year. The offense could take a while to click but the D is ELITE and once the offense gets their **** together we are gonna be scary. This is all of course assuming we can stay healthy, although we do have very good depth in some spots (Secondary, D-line, LB).

[JETS5128]

Game-by Game predictions

Week 1 v DAL- W
Week 2 V JAC- W
Week 3 @ OAK- W
Week 4 @ Baltimore- L
Week 5 @ NE- L
Week 6 v MIA- W
Week 7 v SD- W
Week 8 bye
Week 9 @ BUF- W
Week 10 v NE- W
Week 11 @ DEN- W
Week 12 V BUF- W
Week 13 @ WAS- W
Week 14 V KC- L
Week 15 @ PHI- W
Week 16 v NYG- W
Week 17 @ MIA- L

[redbills]

hey guys, wanted to know if you guys heard anything bout who Revis was gonna be on Sun. Miles Austin or Dez?

[LonghornsLegend]

hey guys, wanted to know if you guys heard anything bout who Revis was gonna be on Sun. Miles Austin or Dez?

I wondered this too, but I'd suspect Austin. Dez is getting alot of steam, but I think you have to take Austin out of the game because he stretches the field and opens things up for everyone. Besides, I think Cromartie matches up pretty well with Dez.


I would be interested in seeing that personally, Dez is gonna run most of the underneath and screen plays while Austin will be running the deep routes and looking for the big play.

[Hurricanes25]

I'll say 11-5. I'm sure we'll lose a game that we're supposed to win.

I don't think Revis is going to stick the same WR the whole game. They got away from that a little bit last year with the strong play from Cro. If Revis was to stick one WR the whole game, I would guess Austin but who knows.

[derza222]

I'll say 10-6 this year, for some reason I just don't have a good feeling about the season. Obviously could be better, I'm concerned it'll be worse.

As for who Revis is on, I'd lean Austin but like 'Canes said not sure he'll stick on one guy all game. I'm not sure that there's really clearly a better WR on the Cowboys and both are strong, relatively physical guys. If somebody was more of just a deep threat type I'd be more inclined to put Cromartie on him since he can get beaten up sometimes just for the match up, but that isn't really the case.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

I'll guess 10-6 and get the Wildcard. I find it tough to go higher than that given the overall lack of depth on the roster. I believe that there are a number of guys who if hurt would severly hurt us, more than some other teams. Fingers crossed that doesn't happen.

I'll say Austin. I think the Romo-Austin connection is stronger, and Revis will be able to handle Austin's more physical and aggressive style. At this point Dez has shown flashes, but not enough. Cro has the measurables to match him. As such, i think Dez will have the better game of the two WRs

[derza222]

Gilyard just got cut, wonder who that means is getting brought in. Kind of hope it means MTV comes back. Also wonder how long Sendejo lasts on the roster after this week.

[Hurricanes25]

That was a fun and heart pounding game.

I'm very concerned with the running game. I'm glad we're giving Sanchez some more opportunities to make plays but our bread and butter is the run game so we have to clean that up.

Sanchez struggled early but once again, he had a great 4th quarter. The stat line looks very good.

The o-line didn't look great but that was mostly because of Demarcus Ware. I'm glad we don't have to see him again this year.

How about Joe McKnight stepping up.

[AlexDown]

Although there is a lot to fix, this team appears to be just as resilient as last year. It's good to be a Jets fan.

Between the Jets games and the Michigan games, I'm pretty sure I'm going to develop an ulcer.

[Hurricanes25]

Although there is a lot to fix, this team appears to be just as resilient as last year. It's good to be a Jets fan.

Between the Jets games and the Michigan games, I'm pretty sure I'm going to develop an ulcer.

That final 2 minutes of the Mich/ND game was incredible.

[Hurricanes25]

I know it was Luke McCown and the Jaguars but our Defens played great yesterday. It was the best our defense has played in some time. I'll give shoutouts to Wilkerson and Cromartie. Bart Scott is also playing real well right now.

I guess the only blip in the game was Mangold going down. it looks like a 2-3 week injury which kind of sucks considering we have 3 straight road games against Oakland, Baltimore and New England. That's a tough stetch of games right there.

[josh07039]

Does anyone else feel like this offense just needs to meet a legit, healthy defense to get destroyed. The pass game is inconsistent and the running game seems doomed to suffer behind a weakish oline. Could it be that I am being too negative or does anyone else feel that this team is talented but flawed as hell?

[RaiderNation]

I think your offense will be surprised for a bit tomorrow. When our defense is clicking, we have one of the better defenses in the league. Our dline should do good with the injuries and questions you have on the oline.

Your defense will be interesting to watch though, Darren McFadden has looked elite this year but we will see when he faces a good defense like yours.

[derza222]

Does anyone else feel like this offense just needs to meet a legit, healthy defense to get destroyed. The pass game is inconsistent and the running game seems doomed to suffer behind a weakish oline. Could it be that I am being too negative or does anyone else feel that this team is talented but flawed as hell?

I'm right there with you. However, given we're pretty like-minded people, I'm not sure if that actually means anything. Also since you brought up the running game, I wonder whether or not Shonn Greene is actually a legitimate long-term option as a starting back. Either he's not, or he needs more touches to get into a rhythm. And regardless, I still think that Schotty has Sanchez throwing too much and the team should be running the ball more to get into more reasonable second and third down situations.

[gpngc]

I don't think it's been Greene's fault at all. The OL isn't good and the Jags have a good run D (surprisingly).

I also think it's good to have Sanchez throwing 30-40 times a game. You aren't winning in the playoffs by running the ball with the line playing like it has. You just aren't. I don't know what's wrong with Brick but he's not playing like he did last year. So Sanchez, who based on his age should be a rookie THIS year, needs to get used to carrying the team on his right arm. A full 16-game slate of being counted on as the main offensive focus against different personnel/looks/blitz schemes/coverages is exactly what he needs to take his game to the next level.

Tomorrow is a tough one. I'm with you guys on the waiting-for-a-good-D-to-just-destroy-us thing. Raiders D is good. Also, the Jets may be looking ahead to BAL then NE in the upcoming weeks. And the long flight out west. This would be a big win... (they could easily lose the next two...)

[derza222]

The line is definitely to blame, but there's something about the way Greene's been playing recently that has me concerned. Hard to really put my finger on why, but I have a feeling that it may end up making sense to bring in somebody else or just start going with more of a committee approach.

I worded the whole thing about Sanchez throwing the ball too much poorly too. Really more situationally, especially in the Cowboys game if memory serves, there were points where the offense really looked like it could get into a nice rhythm running the football and Schottenheimer started calling weird passing plays on early downs that led to 3rd and longs. You're absolutely right, the way the league is today you need to be able to pass the football. But it's been almost excessively unbalanced at points where there running the ball could be good.

[josh07039]

That game was suck.

[JETS5128]

Really terrible game today. I think its pretty clear that this was a trap game and Oakland was underestimated by the coaches and players. We simply just did not play winning football. Committed costly penalties, lost the turnover battle, missed tackles, dropped passes, got thoroughly beat in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball. Basically got out-coached and outplayed in every facet of the game by a FAR less talented team which i think is pretty unacceptable. A lot of blame has to be given to Rex and the coaching staff (sans Westhoff cuz ST's were actually good today) as the Defense just did not show up today and the offense was mediocre at best.

One thing that has caught my eye in these first 3 games is that Schotty has still been pretty reluctant to throw the deep ball. We've heard all the talk about "airing it out" and opening up the offense, but all I've really seen is just a shift in the run-pass ratio. In order to truly maximize the potential this offense has we have to maintain the consistent threat of the deep pass. Schotty is too content to just dink and dunk all game, checking down to the RB's and throwing quick outs/slants to the receivers. With Burress, Holmes and Keller we have 3 great vertical threats and they need to be utilized. Oakland was jumping everything short and smothering our receivers the whole second half cuz they realized that we had no desire to stretch the field. We should be punishing teams for even trying that and burning them deep for big plays

With that said the o-line was pretty terrible today which makes it tough to take shots down the field. Sanchez was getting killed all day and really took some nasty shots so I'm sure there was concern from Schotty. This is something I am definitely gonna be watching going forward though and I will be increasingly concerned if it continues

[Hurricanes25]

I second what 5128 said.

Such a disappointing game. With Baltimore and New England coming up, we really needed that one.

I don't want to take anything away from Oakland because they were better than us yesterday but my god, Cromartie was awful and arguably cost us the game. 4 or 5 penalties and then muffing the return which led directly to 7 for Oakland. That was ugly.

[derza222]

Time to draft some offensive linemen.

[JETS5128]

Im thinking of trying out

[Hurricanes25]

Time to draft some offensive linemen.

This, this and more of this. Ngata and Cody had their way with Baxter, Slauson and Ducasse. Even Brick didn't play all that well. We're a much better team when Mangold is on the field but yeah, we have to draft some o-lineman this year. We need to bring in a guard and a tackle.

[derza222]

This, this and more of this. Ngata and Cody had their way with Baxter, Slauson and Ducasse. Even Brick didn't play all that well. We're a much better team when Mangold is on the field but yeah, we have to draft some o-lineman this year. We need to bring in a guard and a tackle.

My thoughts exactly. Lots of needs on the team really, but the offensive line is just so important. Brings into perspective how important Mangold really is, but the entire offensive line needs to be able to perform. I guess if this brings that need to the forefront then it's not the worst thing as long as the need actually gets addressed.

Bryan Thomas out for the season, really unfortunate. Will be interesting to see how he's replaced. Not sure how Westerman fills the role, but Thomas is a guy who was potentially going to be replaced anyway so if his long-term replacement is on the roster we'll find out this year.

Speaking of OLB's, Maybin actually played alright last night. He's far from a superstar, but I think bringing him back onto the roster was a decent gamble.

[Hurricanes25]

I think we're going to miss Bryan Thomas this year. He's a smart player who is good against the run and he does a great job sniffing out screens.

I'm assuming Westerman and Maybin are going to fill in. Like you said, Maybin played ok last night and was able to get some pressure on Flacco. Regarding Westerman, Rex always has good things to say about him but we really haven't seen it yet. He needs to step up.

[derza222]

Oh we're definitely going to miss Thomas. He's not an outstanding pass rusher, but he is a good overall 3-4 OLB outside of that. I'd say he's the best coverage linebacker on the team by a decent amount as well. But given the pass rush needs to improve and I think he's more likely to get replaced than Pace, if they do decide to upgrade at that spot he's probably the one to go. So at least this season we get to see if his replacement is on the roster or they need to go find him.

Westerman definitely does need to step up. I'm not sure he will, so it's going to be interesting to see how short of a leash he has and what the next option could possibly be.

[Hurricanes25]

I’m so nervous about this game. A win could propel us and loss could derail us. I think we match up better with the Pats than the Ravens, but it’s going to be tough. Here's a quick preview:

When the Jets on offense.

Passing game
Sanchez has been up and down this year but I expect him to play well this Sunday. New England can’t stop the pass and Devin McCourty (their #1 corner) has been awful this year. Our line has not done a good job protecting Sanchez this year but NE doesn’t have a much of a pass rush. Though, Wilfork scares me in the middle especially if Mangold can’t play.

Running game
New England has a middle of the pack rush defense thus far while our bread and butter is near the bottom of the league. I’m not sure what to expect.

While the Jets are on Defense

Passing game
NE has the top passing offense in the league, while we have the 2nd best pass defense in the league. Welker, Gronk and Hernandez scare the hell out of me. I hope Revis sticks Welker because he’ll have a field day on Cro. But honestly I think Gronk and Hernandez will hurt us more. I don’t think we can cover both of them.

Running game
The Pats running game is in the top half of the league while our run D is close to the bottom. Bryan Thomas’ injury sure doesn’t help our cause.

[msolimani]

Really a crushing loss to a team I think we all hate and could've beaten. I think defensively we had the right game plan but the offense just looked like it was still in a funk for most of the game and couldn't give our defense a rest. The D was just too worn down in that 4th quarter but that's still not a good enough reason to get pushed around like that when the offense needs one more chance. I think if we got the ball back for Sanchez and Co. once more when it was a 6 point game we could've made something happen.

As far as Schotty, I have been one of his biggest fans since he's been here but it almost seems like his conservative philosophy has almost run it's course. I understand we are afraid of Sanchez making the big mistake but at least give the kid a chance to throw one or two deep shots in a big game like this. If for no other reason then to back off the safeties and open up running lanes. We are painfully conservative and I attribute some of the 30 points and 400 yards of offense we gave up to the offense going 3 and out 8 times or whatever it was. We have the best D and special teams in the league IMO but it's constantly being dragged down by the offense which is unheard of.

[Hurricanes25]

It's always tough to lose but I think we can take a lot of positives away from that game. I'm not gonna go into it, I tink we all know what the are.

But I've had it with Brian Schottenheimer. Doesn't he realize that when he opens the playbook up at the end of games (he's forced to), Sanchez plays well. We can very easily be a run first team, but let Sanchez throw the ball downfield a little bit more. The slants and shits out to the flat don't always work.

[Hurricanes25]

We traded Derrick Mason to Houston for a conditional draft pick.

I'm ok with this. I think Mason is almost useless at this point and the team likes Kerley. We're lacking depth at the position now so I expect we go out and sign somebody.

[monson]

So the Jets have to win the next three games. Dolphins, Chargers, and Bills. One loss and gang green is 4-4 at the halfway mark. Lose to the Bills and the jets are way back. The season is almost over.

[Hurricanes25]

Hopefully that was our get back on track game. We still have to pick it up if we want to beat San Diego next week. Our offense can't come out flat like we did tonight and just about every other game over the last 2 couple years.

A few players that impressed me:

-Wayne Hunter did a great job against Cameron Wake. It's nice to see him have a nice game after a few rough ones this year.

- Kenrick Ellis was our best defensive lineman when he was in the game. Impressive debut.

- Revis, obviously.

- Calvin Pace made a couple of nice plays tonight, recording 2 sacks.

[Thecollegedropout]

Hopefully that was our get back on track game. We still have to pick it up if we want to beat San Diego next week. Our offense can't come out flat like we did tonight and just about every other game over the last 2 couple years.

A few players that impressed me:

-Wayne Hunter did a great job against Cameron Wake. It's nice to see him have a nice game after a few rough ones this year.

- Kenrick Ellis was our best defensive lineman when he was in the game. Impressive debut.

- Revis, obviously.

- Calvin Pace made a couple of nice plays tonight, recording 2 sacks.
I also liked what Aaron "Mayhem" brought to the table with relentless play and nonstop hustling to force 2 fumbles(Both times the ball went out of bounds)

TJ Conley had a great day, probably his best performance of his career punting. Hoping we get more of that from him.

[Hurricanes25]

Yeah, Maybin has been solid. He's done more than Gholston ever did in 3 games. Actually in 1 game, but still. The guy hustles and I respect that.

Plaxico is really starting to piss me off. He's not giving enough effort. Go back and look at the pass that he dropped and look at the fly route that should have been picked off by Sean Smith. Plax was not running on either play. Not to mention, he's a ticking time bomb especially if his numbers don't improve.

[Hurricanes25]

We signed WR Eron Riley off Denver's practice squad. He was great at Duke a few seasons ago so hopefully he can contribute. Unfortunately, we got rid of MTV. We should have cut Patrick Turner.

[derza222]

Apparently if DeVito can't go Kenrick Ellis will start in his place. Seems like he's making strides, definitely positive to see since there were some thoughts that it might take awhile for him to get acclimated and concerns since he was inactive for a few games. Think the kid's going to be a player. Would be exciting if by the end of the year we're able to feel good about him as the NT of the future for the team.

[TimD]

I was at the game yesterday and i got to participate in the qb competition at halftime. unfortunately i didnt win it

oh yeah aaron maybin: 4 GP 4 Tcks 3 Scks 3 FF

[Hurricanes25]

Kyle Wilson is doing a great job this year. It looks like spending the off season with Revis has paid off. He's worlds better than last year.

[gsorace]

Thank god, I can't take another year of Cromartie's PI/holding calls.

[Hurricanes25]

Thank god, I can't take another year of Cromartie's PI/holding calls.

Cromartie is an enigma. One week he is great and then the next he is awful. He's so damn inconsistent. It's really frustrating.

[JETS5128]

Confidence level for this week?

I think we have a very good chance at winning this game. Their d cant stop anything the running game is gonna have a field day. As long as Sanchez doesnt turn it over we are scoring close to 30. Our D also matches up very well with their offense. Revis will take Stevie out of the game, Cro should be able to handle whoever he gets put against and the same goes for Wilson. The only concern is Fred Jackson and he is a pretty big one. I see him having a good day but i just dont think they have enough talent on offense to consistently beat our D.

In my mind this game is very similar to the Raiders in that we are going into a VERY hostile environment. Like the raiders, buffalo has a bottom five defense (although they do force more turnovers). Also like the raiders, buffalo has a great offensive scheme featuring an explosive back, smart QB but lacking receiving talent. We really blew that game against oakland, if we truly want to be a playoff team then its time to step up and beat a team that we are clearly more talented than

[JETS5128]

**** yes what a great team performance today (except for Sanchez's 2 bonehead plays)

[Hurricanes25]

What an awful effort. We were outplayed in all 3 phases of the game and the Pats coaching staff definitely out-coached ours. I knew coming in that we would be in trouble, simply because of NE already losing 2 straight but I did not expect to see an effort like that out of the Jets. I'm just looking forward to Thursday night.

[Hurricanes25]

So yeah, we just lost to Tim Tebow.

[JETS5128]

If last week didnt prove it tonights game definitely did, we are not a playoff caliber team this year. The one bright spot is that schotty has like a 2% chance of keeping his job for next year

[derza222]

News is a couple days old, but apparently Schottenheimer was quietly extended another year last offseason, so he isn't in the last year of his contract this year. Rough.

[Hurricanes25]

It looks like Jim Leonhard is out for the season. Just when it looked like Eric Smith was going to get less playing time...

[Hurricanes25]

Wayne Hunter needs to be replaced and he needs to be replaced soon. He's had a few miserable games this year but I think yesterday's game topped them all. He was invisible to Babin.

Eric Smith too.

[gsorace]

What does it say about Ducasse if he can't get on the field with only Wayne Hunter in front of him?

[Hurricanes25]

Yeah, Ducasse is a bust. He can't even get the job done when used as a 6th offensive lineman.

[TimD]

its a shame that our o line depth is so weak.. it used to be our strength. come back woody

[TimD]

i'll be there at 9am tomorrow morning then sitting with the real fans in section 311. i usually mooch off my uncle who has 8 seats at row 5 behind the visitors bench.

anyone else going?

[AHungryWalrus]

How is Schotty still employed? My God.

[Hurricanes25]

Apparently Schotty is coaching for his job this week and I also read that we may go in another direction at QB next year.

I've had it with Sanchez and Schotty. I hear Peyton manning may be available...

[derza222]

Schotty is hopefully gone. Hopefully there's some way we can win but he'll still get fired because I just want a new look at OC.

Sanchez I go back and forth on, right now he's a below average NFL quarterback and I wonder what he would look like in a different system with some more experience. I could see him eventually becoming better, although right now he's without a doubt below average. Wouldn't mind bringing in another young guy if an opportunity presents itself via the draft or a clearly better player like Manning (who I think makes the Jets a legitimate Super Bowl contender). But I also don't want to see a change for the sake of a change like I do at offensive coordinator, a young guy or a clear upgrade I would be happy with though.

[Hurricanes25]

Here's a great article on Schotty. Interesting to note that Pennington and Favre both finished top 5 in MVP voting the year after they left. Maybe there is some kind of hope for Sanchez.

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2011/12/26/2661495/brian-schottenheimers-record?ref=yahoo

[Hurricanes25]

Mangold, Ferguson, and Revis are our pro bowlers. Revis is a starter.

Edit: If McKnight didn't get hurt, he'd probably be in too.

Edit: McKnight is an alternate at KR and Harris and Moore are second alternates.

[derza222]

Read a decent blurb about the lack of home run threats on the team. Really Holmes and McKnight are as close as we have, but whether it's in the backfield or at receiver (I think I would prefer a receiver) it would be good to have a big play threat on offense. A receiver in particular would help stretch the field and take attention away from Holmes, who's too easy to double with Plax across from him - who as good as he is in the red zone just does not separate a whole lot from corners right now.

[jetsfan46]

If anything I want the Jets to lose to the Dolphins (better draft pick and we do need it). Here's why:

1. Mark Sanchez has not shown anyone he can throw a good deep ball (he's actually statistically the least accurate quarterback when throwing for 20+ yards passes in the NFL) and I hope he proves to the Jets ownership and coaching staff that he should be traded (I think we can salvage a 3rd rounder for him from say Washington). He also makes more throws that should be interceptions than every quarterback in the league and he's among the worst in Total QBR (he currently has a rating of 35.3, good for 28th in the league). You can potentially trade multiple picks to the Colts for either the top pick (Andrew Luck) or Peyton Manning. Despite what the Colts GM says they can't afford both players unless Manning gives up some money and he would be stupid enough to do so considering they wouldn't be able to improve their team by much outside the draft even if he did (unless he took a $10 million paycut which he won't).

2. Wayne Hunter is not suited to be a starting right tackle in the NFL (he's allowed more sacks in one year than Damien Woody allowed in two years at the same position for the Jets) and should be replaced (he's worse than the people the Jets had in '06 which this forum has multiple members labeling as garbage players), Max Starks and Flozell Adams are free agents they would fit the role much better. Also you could draft somebody like Sanders from Florida State (we need a real starter not like Vlad "The Worst Experiment" Ducasse).

3. Eric Smith is a bench role player, not a starter. He frequently gives up the big play and was almost cut by the Jets when Ryan first came in. He's not fast, big, or strong enough to handle the position despite his aggressiveness. Mark Barron would be a great option to replace him (or they could try to trade for a probowler like Adrian Wilson). Gronkowski and other tightends create problems for the Jets and they need someone to stop them (they have no one who can at the present time).

4. The linebackers of the Jets are pretty slow other than Aaron Maybin (who is suited only for the pass rush). Everyone either runs around them or throws to the tightend when they are matched up against the Jets. Westerman is a role bench player so he can't be trusted to fill the role on coverage. David Harris is obviously a great player but he doesn't have the speed to do what say Patrick Willis does, so we need to get help for him. Bart Scott has lost speed and can't compete at a starting level for this team anymore. Trading Scott for a 5-7th rounder would help. This draft has some special ILB that could contribute (Burfict who is a sure first rounder and Audie Cole is a good late round pick are options). At OLB Zach Brown from UNC should be considered (measures in at 6-2 1/2 feet, 230lbs, with a 40 of 4.45s) in the second or third round. We need that kind of speed at the OLB position and Rex can make this guy aggressive.

5. The Jets need more playmakers as ESPN and derza222 have stated. Another tightend (not Matt Mulligan who should be cut but maybe Coby Fleener who is a giant from Stanford) could help and we need a fast and agile WR (say what you want about Kerley but he's not really fast for the position and Plax ain't coming back). Maybe we resign Edwards (recently cut by the 49ers and could come cheap) but we need another guy also.

6. We need a new halfback who can catch the ball. Shonn Greene shouldn't be expected to do something he can't. Drafting Doug Martin from Boise State (in my opinion a guy who has the potential to be better than Probowler Ray Rice) in the third round would go a long way in fixing our problems with that and he is also a better runner than Greene (much faster and explosive, Greene is more of a power back). With those two and McKnight (Tomlinson isn't gonna come back for the minimum that they will offer him) the Jets can do some serious damage again on the ground.

[derza222]

ESPN reporting that the Jets expect to revamp their offensive staff. Apparently Schottenheimer is likely gone. Hopefully this is true. Article says two likely targets to replace him are Norv Turner and Josh McDaniels if either is available. Also read another piece that said Callahan could get promoted, though his contract is up after the season.

[AHungryWalrus]

ESPN reporting that the Jets expect to revamp their offensive staff. Apparently Schottenheimer is likely gone. Hopefully this is true. Article says two likely targets to replace him are Norv Turner and Josh McDaniels if either is available. Also read another piece that said Callahan could get promoted, though his contract is up after the season.

Would LOVE Norv.

Schotty needs to be gone, Hunter needs to be a backup, we need a pass rusher, and I honestly am pretty much done with Sanchez. He doesn't even have flashes anymore, he just checks down. I mean, I'm willing to give him one more year with a competent OC, but, after that, if he keeps on like this, cut ties.

[yanksknicks]

ESPN reporting that the Jets expect to revamp their offensive staff. Apparently Schottenheimer is likely gone. Hopefully this is true. Article says two likely targets to replace him are Norv Turner and Josh McDaniels if either is available. Also read another piece that said Callahan could get promoted, though his contract is up after the season.

Nothing will matter unless your QB becomes much much more accurate with his throws ... and frankly I don't think that will ever happen. He does not look like a good thrower.

[derza222]

Would LOVE Norv.

Schotty needs to be gone, Hunter needs to be a backup, we need a pass rusher, and I honestly am pretty much done with Sanchez. He doesn't even have flashes anymore, he just checks down. I mean, I'm willing to give him one more year with a competent OC, but, after that, if he keeps on like this, cut ties.

And that's just the start of the holes on this team...the FO will have to find at least one starting safety this offseason, two if Leonhard doesn't come back. Slauson could/should be upgraded at left guard, and Holmes needs a better WR across from him to be effective. I think he would've had a far better season if Edwards was around.

As for Sanchez, I agree. I'd give him another year with a legitimate OC, provided nobody better comes along. To me, it doesn't make sense to give up on the guy just for the sake of giving up on him, but if there's a legitimate upgrade available I'm all for making the upgrade. Wouldn't mind bringing in a young guy to compete either but I'd imagine that's unlikely. But at this point it's getting hard to imagine that he's the answer long term, I just don't see all that much improvement from where he was as a rookie which is obviously a bad sign.

[josh07039]

Ive been absent from Jets Discussion most of the season, because **** this season right? But I just wanted to offer my thoughts on the off-season to maybe spark some conversation about progress rather than wallowing in defeat.

Honestly, I want to see if Santonio has any trade value and just get rid of him. I just don't like his attitude and I think his money could be better spent elsewhere. I'd honestly take a second or third round pick for him if we can get it. Even before today's game I have hated his body language and effort on most ball not directly to him.

I don't know what his salary is exactly but Cavin Pace is not even close to an impact player, He's been an alright pass rusher. It says on some website that the cap savings for cutting him would be almost 7 million dollars. I have no idea about free agents but I imagine this money can be wisely reinvested. However the same website mentioned some figure about dead money that was absurd so that contract looks like a ridiculous move in retrospect and didnt look all that good at the time.

Even if LT doesn't retire, he shouldn't be brought back. He's not bad at all, but why really keep him around when we could draft a late round guy or give joe mcnight the opporutnity? He

I dont know how much cap space they will have after raises, cuts, trades,etc but I think that they really need to shore up the o-line and defense. I just want the O-line to never be in a position to start wayne hunter for any length of time. With Ferguson, Moore, and Mangold being a good anchor, they dont need a great guy. Move guys around in positions, whatever, just get more talent on the line so that wayne hunter doesn't play. I think O-line is one of the few positions where a veteran that makes it to fee agency can still likely play at close to the level that he is being paid at unlike skill positions that are paid for past accomplishments more than future potential.

As for the defense, they just need more athletes everywhere. I think the Focus should be on finding better pass rushers. Realistically, I think one of the keys to turning the pass rush around may be more snaps for Mabyin and Westerman. Whenever Ryan focused on stopping the run with big guys like Garrett Mcyntire the defense played worse because they were slower and less athletic. I understand WEsterman and Maybin have issues covering, but honestly the were better than the other schlubs they were running our

Free Agent targets- Anthony Spencer, Kamerion Wimbley

After Pass Rusher, I think getting safeties is key. Jim Leohnard can probably be brought back for reasonable money because of his injury prone label after 2 injury shortened years in a row. Beyond that, Eric smith is the worst and I can't stand seeing him on the field. Need at least 2 better safeties plus leonhard coming back.

In my cursory look of some free agents maybe go after guys like anthony spencer, kamerion wimbley, Ben Grubbs.

This team needs to focus making the defense elite again and then solidifying the line because it helps everything else. Don't worry about flashy recievers and runningbacks. Just get some big fat *****.

Oh yeah and fire Schotty. Jesus.

[Hurricanes25]

It's going to be an interesting offseason, that's for sure. There are so many holes on this team, many which Rex was able to mask and cover up with scheme (on defense) during the first 2 years. I think the team is going to look very very different next year.

[derza222]

Yeah, I get the same feeling. Quarterback and running back are spots that I think could remain the same but also could come back with different players. Think we'll see another #2 receiver, and at the very least McKnight as the third down back instead of Tomlinson. Almost certainly should be another right tackle as well.

Then on defense I'd imagine we'll see a new safety or two and two to three new linebackers (report just came out that Scott could be gone, though we'll see). Wouldn't mind a stud defensive lineman to add into the mix, but that seems like a big time luxury pick compared to the issues elsewhere.

Hopefully at least one safety, the right tackle spot, and a linebacker or two and/or a wide receiver get brought in via free agency. Wouldn't mind bringing in a back either, but that's probably more of a luxury addition or something to bring in via the draft. Regardless of whether it's at RB or WR, I'd like a home run hitter somewhere.

[AHungryWalrus]

It's looking like Bart Scott will be gone. Which makes me sad, because he's someone that just has so much competitiveness and drive that it rubs off on the whole team. But, he's a huge cap hit, he's our second best ILB and doesn't see the field on passing downs... meaning, from a purely performance standpoint, he shouldn't be here.

So if he is gone, we gain about 10 million in cap room. So here's me just thinking... if Manning IS a free agent... if we could get any takers for Sanchez for a 4th or something, I would actually like to see us draft a QB in the first, sign Manning, and then throw the rest of our resources at Safety, OL, and pass rush.

I mean, let's say Manning is even close to where he was, that INSTANTLY makes our defense better because our offense won't sputter around all game, or have the same amount of idiotic turnovers in our side of the field. It also makes our receivers suddenly look a lot better, because Manning is a guy who can throw people open, as opposed to needing them to BE wide open. Even if we let Plax go, and go with someone Edwards again, and run a Holmes - BrayBray - Kerley - Keller receiver set... That's not SIGNIFICANTLY worse than a Wayne - Rookie Garcon - Clark - Whatever set that Manning ran with.

This would also give our young QB 2 years to sit and learn on the bench, while we got the legitimate pieces around him in the next offseason.

Clearly, this is all not going to happen. But with Scott and Sanchez gone, we could easily offer Manning 20 mill a year and be in the same situation we are in right now, cap-wise.

[AlexDown]

Apparently Schottenheimer will be back next year. Not happy about that. Dreading watching another year of our offense struggling to put points on the board.

Maybe he will get a HC job somewhere, but I don't see it. Our offense has looked anemic for the last couple of years.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7415785/new-york-jets-say-brian-schottenheimer-job-safe

[AHungryWalrus]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825a4812/article/jets-oc-schottenheimer-pats-oc-obrien-in-play-to-coach-jaguars?module=HP11_headline_stack

Maybe he wont be. GET THE DAMN JOB!

[jetsfan46]

People claim that Brian Schottenheimer is not good at his job. The offense is anemic and the play calling does not make sense. At least that is what Jets fans say. Yet no one tries to understand the position the guy was in this season.

He had:
an under prepared team with an inferior right tackle, a QB who lacks down field vision (also can't be consistently accurate and is the worst QB in the NFL statistically when throwing a pass of 15 yards or more), a starting half back who isn't fast nor quick and can't catch the ball, a short skinny number one wide receiver (who is fast but not Mike Wallace or Desean Jackson fast and is inconsistent catching the football), an aging giant of a wide receiver who lacks explosiveness, an injured center, and a third wideout who is a short below average speed receiver (not to mention a rookie who is still learning).

Would you be confident in #6 if your QB can't throw deep, gets sacked almost every possession (half the time due to an inept right tackle), fumbles the ball too frequently, and throws stupid passes that get intercepted? Would you feel good about #10 when he drops a ball nearly every game and has caused multiple turnovers this year? How about the rest of the offense? Even Dustin Keller looked like an idiot sometimes this year and he was the leading receiver and a pro bowl level performer for the year (Gates got the nod just because he was the best in years past)

The 59 passes against the Giants are easily explained, the Giants secondary is one of the worst in the league. The OC was trying to exploit that secondary. What he forgot was his quarterback is completely inept at making decisions and his line was playing poorly. Forget about blaming Schottenheimer, blame Mike Tannenbaum the general manager of the New York Jets.

Tannenbaum's words were and I quote when referring to Victor Cruz “our locker room is filled with those types of guys.” Wow really I would say Cruz outperformed every Jet wide receiver ever (even Keyshawn Johnson). The guy backs Mark Sanchez as the opening day starter for 2012 even after admitting Sanchez is "far from perfect". Don't worry though if they screw up this year, and they will if they don't at least get a healthy replacement for Sanchez or a Matt Forte/Trent Richardson type player, Rex Ryan will lose his job and so will the whole coaching staff. It won't be an 8-8 year, it will be more like a 6-10 year at best.

How can they beat the Patriots when they can't cover the tightends? Mark Barron won't be able to handle Gronkowski nor will any safety in this draft. You need somebody who is huge, strong, quick, and an effective tackler to bring the massive Patriot down. Oh and he's got Tom Brady throwing to him while on our team it is the great Mexican American who's so stupid he doesn't even know Spanish (Hispanic people must be very proud of #6). Heck Kerley threw a better spiral than Sanchez against the Dolphins in week 17.

There is only one NFL safety who can maybe stop Gronkowski and that is Adrian Wilson. Odds are the Jets would have to give up a lot to get Wilson from the Cardinals so that means the Jets are doomed next year against the Patriots. The Dolphins will be better next year (and they still beat the Jets this year which is horrible considering how poorly they played most of the year and their play in the last game wasn't spectacular either), so will the Bills, and the Patriots have more top draft picks than any other team in the league.

Today Tannenbaum basically informed the media there will be no major changes on this team and they are going to try again next year with the same coaching staff and same key players. It really would be in the best interest for everyone if Schottenheimer and Mike Pettine go. It would be in the best interest for the Jets if Mark Sanchez was traded, Bart Scott was cut/traded, Wayne Hunter was traded (or banished from the mainland and forced to return to Hawaii), Santonio Holmes was traded for a high pick, Eric Smith was cut (maybe the worst defensive starter in the league this year), and Mike Tannenbaum was put on notice that if he did not succeed in turning this team around for the long term he would lose his job. These are highly critical things to say but when you earn so much money in such a public manner what do you expect people to say? Wow your screwing up you should keep your multi million dollar job while this country struggles with joblessness and a recession. Many of the Jets would have been fired if they performed the way they did this season in almost every other job. The time is now to get serious changes need to be made and Rex Ryan needs to realize if Tannenbaum doesn't get it right then Ryan will lose his job and be forced to coach some middle of the road defense (i.e. like his Brother in Dallas).

[AHungryWalrus]

I wouldnt take what Tannenbaum says now as his word. I believe it was with Kerry Rhodes where he said one day that he was not going to trade him, and the next day he was gone.

[AHungryWalrus]

Today Tannenbaum basically informed the media there will be no major changes on this team and they are going to try again next year with the same coaching staff and same key players. It really would be in the best interest for everyone if Schottenheimer and Mike Pettine go. It would be in the best interest for the Jets if Mark Sanchez was traded, Bart Scott was cut/traded, Wayne Hunter was traded (or banished from the mainland and forced to return to Hawaii), Santonio Holmes was traded for a high pick, Eric Smith was cut (maybe the worst defensive starter in the league this year), and Mike Tannenbaum was put on notice that if he did not succeed in turning this team around for the long term he would lose his job. These are highly critical things to say but when you earn so much money in such a public manner what do you expect people to say? Wow your screwing up you should keep your multi million dollar job while this country struggles with joblessness and a recession. Many of the Jets would have been fired if they performed the way they did this season in almost every other job. The time is now to get serious changes need to be made and Rex Ryan needs to realize if Tannenbaum doesn't get it right then Ryan will lose his job and be forced to coach some middle of the road defense (i.e. like his Brother in Dallas).

Your trades are all unrealistic. No one is giving up more than a 4th for Santonio Holmes. We got him for a 5th two years ago, and the "man" just imploded on a football field, and is still only one strike away from a yearlong suspension.

We can trade Sanchez, but very few teams would even be interested in him as a player, let alone a 15 million dollar cap hit next year.

Wayne Hunter shouldn't be cut. He simply should be a back up, a role he excelled in. Eric Smith is an alright in the box safety as a back up, and a good special teams player. I mean, Smith and Hunter combined only counted for 4 million against our cap, and if they were simply depth players, they would be worth it.

[derza222]

I think the team is at a crossroads right now. It's a team that has been very successful at points despite major holes, and now with aging players and some holes not getting filled successfully in the offseason the team was exposed.

Defensively, scheme for the large part helped disguise the fact that safety is an extremely weak position and linebackers in general are slow and do not cover that well. This leads to running backs and tight ends destroying the team in the passing game. On top of that, the pass rush is very poor and that showed even more this season when less blitzes were called (which is probably because safeties were so weak in coverage and getting beat for big plays was a risk).

Offensively, Braylon Edwards was the team's biggest playmaker last year and with him gone the only big play threat left on the team was Santonio Holmes. No home run hitter at running back, no deep threat at receiver, and a below average quarterback who can't throw people open led to the team needing to execute shorter plays perfectly for long drives with defenses knowing they probably weren't going to get beat deep. The running game also was not nearly as dominant as it was in previous years, and that led to Sanchez being far less effective. Throw in an atrocious right tackle and a really bad offensive scheme and there were clear problems.

At this point, there are three choices. One is to more or less stay the same, make some minor changes, and move forward. Leave Schottenheimer and Sanchez, maybe add a new right tackle, a new safety, maybe a new outside linebacker and a new wide receiver. Do the obvious things that need to be done.

Another is somewhere in between staying the same and blowing things up. Do that but maybe get rid of Schottenheimer, Sanchez, or Bart Scott. Shake things up a little bit, but not too much.

The other option is to rebuild the team and leave some of the core strengths that it has. Maybe re-sign Pouha to a one or two year deal to wait for Ellis to get ready, leave the rest of the defensive line, corners, and David Harris intact. Maybe bring back Jim Leonhard. Blow up the rest of the defense. Three new linebackers and a new safety or two. Add speed, guys who can get after the quarterback and cover backs and tight ends. Get rid of Schottenheimer, add a new #2 receiver and a running back who can actually make big plays and catch the ball out of the backfield. Obviously make that right tackle upgrade, and I think you have to think seriously about getting rid of Holmes and Sanchez if you can get away with it. Build around the defensive line, three of the offensive linemen, David Harris, the corners, and Keller. Improve the weaknesses elsewhere as best you can, add youth, speed, and playmaking ability and we'll see what happens. The team as it stands is slow and not explosive in any way, and the scheme can only make up for that so much.

[DI]

It all starts with your head coach for me. Rex can keep his style because that's what makes him who he is but he has to tweak it a little bit. He has to stop shouldering all the blame after every loss or everything that goes wrong with this team. He has to stop blindly supporting his players when they shoot his team in the foot. He is more of a confidant to his players than he is a coach and an authority figure and the team will never be successful like that. He has to start holding players accountable and not taking on everything himself and I believe that will lead him to garner more respect from the players on the team who he should be seeking it from (Pouha, Harris, Mangold, Ferguson, Revis).

Now, with that said, you need to build a TEAM. Right now, I don't look at the Jets and see a team. I see a bunch of guys looking for a paycheck. Distractions and me first players need to go. Santonio needs to go. Plax needs to go. Cromartie and Bart Scott need to go. Clear the locker room of the headaches and it will do wonders. Look at Eli after the Giants rid themselves of Tiki, Shockey, Plax and, to a lesser extent, Strahan. Hell, even this year. Look at what the Bengals did when they rid themselves of locker room headaches (TO, Chad and, to a lesser extent, Carson) and let their coach have control of the team with a rookie quarterback. I think ridding of those guys would only be a positive in Mark's ongoing development. Then, once that happens, I think a house cleaning should be in order. You could add Ducasse, Pace and Eric Smith to the list of the previously mentioned and start building a team around the right guys. Guys who go out and keep their mouth shut and bust their ass every week, like David Harris, Sione Pouha, Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Darrelle Revis, Dustin Keller, etc. Not only would it greatly benefit your team but I think the potential effect this could have on Sanchez could be huge.

[TimD]

it sucks that our team is so messed up that we can't even really suggest off season plans in here. i know mike t says sanchez, schotty, and holmes are all coming back, but in reality ANYTHING could happen.

aside from all the OC/QB/WR ********, these are the top 4 things that i want addressed this offseason:

-Offensive Tackle: To me this is the 1A priority. Whoever is at QB doesn't deserve to be on their back as much as Mark was this season. I really like Hunter as a depth/6th man guy, but there is no reason for him to be starting. I think we should address this in the first round or get a quality FA.

-Free Safety: Obviously our 1B priority. We need to cover Gronk, Fasano, or D. Nelson 6 games a year, and we don't have anyone to do it. I think we should bring back Leonard at SS, keep Smith for special teams and inside the box formations, but then find someone who can at least attempt to cover big TEs and WRs over the middle and in the red zone.

-OLB: Its really a shame we have so many holes in this team because I would love to take a first round pick to address this. I think we need to bring in a true pass rusher and let Westerman and Maybin battle it out for playtime/bring them both in on passing downs. We haven't had an impact pass rusher since John Abraham.

-Explosive Offensive Player: Whether its at RB or WR (preferably both), we need to bring in a home run hitter to back defenses up. Braylon was released by SF, why not give him another chance? Aside from the drops I loved him in green.

some additional things that would be nice:
-Interior O-line depth
-A #2 Tight End that can block and not take 4 penalties a game
-Inside linebacker
-punter

[AlexDown]

I'm hearing Kyle Orton won't be in KC next year. The Jets should consider bringing him and having him compete for the starting spot.

[josh07039]

I am not abig Mark Sanchez fan, but the overall attitude about him is ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons to believe that he can improve next year and the fact is, his performance has not been that of a total bust who is a bottom of the league quarterback.
1. He has only started for three years after only starting for one year in college. How many quarterbacks have improved to the point where they are at the top of their game in their third season, especially with Sanchez limited experience in college.
2. He was getting crushed constantly all year because of Wayne Hunter.
3. He was throwing to Santonio who was, to put in lightly, a problem and Plax was useless except in the redzone.
4. His offensive coordinator just doesnt get it. Look at Alex Smith who was Mr. Bust and then he gets a coach that understands how to use him properly and he is now a quarterback that can, at the very least, manage an offense.
5. He had an inconsistent running game that his O-Coordinator didn't even give a chance to often, forcing Sanchez to throw way too much.
6. As we all know, the lockeroom was a mess and I don't think there are very many third year quarterbacks or quarterbacks in general that could have united that dysfunctional a team.
7. My biggest issue with talking about getting rid of Sanchez is that unless they can magically get Drew Brees or trade for a healthy Peyton Manning, there aren't any options that are better outside of a high draft pick which can't happen based on the other holes on the team. Kyle Orton? Get real. When watching the game against the Redskins and I saw Kyle Boller playing terribly, I realized that Sanchez right now is not one of the worst qbs in the league. He's in the average range.

I know a lot of you will say that a qb should be a leader and Sanchez isn't as demonstrated by the team being out of control, but just look at Eli Manning. In his first 3-4 years people were saying that he isn't a leader, wasn't very accurate, looked like a deer in the headlights on the field, etc. Sound familiar? I'm not saying Sanchez is as talented as MAnning, but the fact is how many third year qbs are the as good as they will ever be? I believe the team can win with him with the right talent around him and the right offensive mindset.

[derza222]

Apparently the team is thinking about who they would bring in as an OC if Schottenheimer leaves for another position. Dirk Koetter and Tony Sparano are possibilities.

[Complex]

You guys should go after Tom Clements the packers QB coach. He turned Elvis Grbac,Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox into pro-bowlers. Also he has done a nice job with Rodgers and Flynn.

[JETS5128]

You guys should go after Tom Clements the packers QB coach. He turned Elvis Grbac,Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox into pro-bowlers. Also he has done a nice job with Rodgers and Flynn.

Dont know much about him but that's a pretty solid resume right there

[JETS5128]

Praying that Hue Jackson gets fired and we make him OC

And my first mock of the very, very ,VERY early off-season: Only 3 rounds because I couldnt think of a 4th round pick and god knows what happens in the latter rounds

1. Riley Reiff RT Iowa 6'6 330: Would provide an instant upgrade from Hunter and fits perfectly as he is powerful in the run game and really excels exploding off the ball. Is a decent pass protector and given his athletic tools should only improve with NFL coaching.

2. Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State 6'1 198: Athletic, ball-hawking safety who is renowned for his ability to make plays in coverage a.k.a exactly what we need on this defense. Also can deliver the big hit and has a good amount of size behind those hits. Known for being a bit too much of a gambler (in both coverage AND as a tackler) but should learn to wrap-up and become a solid tackler as he progresses throughout his career. I think pairing his playmaking abilities with Rex's defense and our coaching is a recipe for great success. Our safeties really have no ability to make plays in coverage so he would fit in right away and if hes good enough to start as a rookie next to Leonhard (assuming he returns) Smith and Pool should thrive with situational roles

3. Best pass rusher available (Not familiar enough with the guys from this class yet)
Preferably someone with a lot of athleticism and speed seeing as how this pick probably wont get too much playing time next year. As much as it may pain some of us i feel like Tanny and Rex will be pretty comfortable heading into to next year with our current LB core (re-signing Thomas and giving Mauga/Westerman Scott's passing downs). Hopefully this pick could develop into a real pass rush threat 2-3 years down the road

Some of you might complain about no WR's being taken but i think Tanny will look to Free Agency to try and bring in a replacement for Plax (Braylon I hope). If we enter the draft without having signed a receiver I would spend round 2 on WR or maybe even trade back into late round 1 to draft one.

[JetMan01]

2. Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State 6'1 198: Athletic, ball-hawking safety who is renowned for his ability to make plays in coverage a.k.a exactly what we need on this defense. Also can deliver the big hit and has a good amount of size behind those hits. Known for being a bit too much of a gambler (in both coverage AND as a tackler) but should learn to wrap-up and become a solid tackler as he progresses throughout his career. I think pairing his playmaking abilities with Rex's defense and our coaching is a recipe for great success. Our safeties really have no ability to make plays in coverage so he would fit in right away and if hes good enough to start as a rookie next to Leonhard (assuming he returns) Smith and Pool should thrive with situational roles

Hey boys, first post, hopefully I can hang around for a bit. Anyways, I'd love to add this kid as a second rounder. You reallythink he'd be there tho?

[JETS5128]

Yeah so Hue Jackson was fired today. If we dont get him in here as OC im gonna be pissed. He is literally the perfect fit for our offense. Loves to run the ball and can develop Sanchez into a real good QB

[derza222]

That would be a good fit - he and Ryan have some background together as well.

As for the mock I like Reiff, the only thing is I think going after a RT in FA (if there is one who makes sense) might be a better/safer move than trying to do it in the draft.

Also thought it was interesting that there have been some comp pick projections, and the Jets are projected to get 4 in the ones I've seen - two 6's and two 7's, with one of the 6's maybe ending up as a 5. Not ridiculously high picks, but they cannot be traded IIRC so that should be nice for adding depth since they're forced to use those. Could also lead to trying to move up, at least in the mid rounds, since they'll have those 4 regardless.

[CDCB14]

Hey guys, Cowboys fan here. Our OL coach retired and is being replaced by your guy Bill Callahan.

I don't know anything about him. Is he a good coach? Anything would help lol, thanks.

[derza222]

Hey guys, Cowboys fan here. Our OL coach retired and is being replaced by your guy Bill Callahan.

I don't know anything about him. Is he a good coach? Anything would help lol, thanks.

Very good coach, he was the head coach of the Raiders awhile ago, I believe when they played the Bucs in the Super Bowl. Players supposedly love him and have given him a lot of credit for making them better. Pretty much was in charge of the run game too, which wasn't great this year but carried the team the past two years. Not perfect, didn't develop Vlad Ducasse all that well but that's not entirely on either individual, some guys just don't have it although Ducasse had a lot of tools. Disappointed to see him go, think it's a very good hire especially for the same position.

[TimD]

I heard the Jets are looking at Sparano and Haley for OC and Asst HC

[JETS5128]

I like the Sparano hiring alot actually. He always has a top ten run game and preaches great O-line play. He also puts alot of emphasis on protecting the QB, something we need after getting Sanchez killed this year. Now we just need to hire Haley or Jackson (preferably Jackson) to get the passing game going and continue to develop Sanchez

[msolimani]

I was skeptical of the Sparano hiring at first but I'm starting to like it more and more after re-watching Hard Knocks from 2010. There were many scenes with Sanchez and Schotty pranking each other and taking things lightly, which is fine when it doesn't affect the play on the field (which I think it did a little). Schotty was a very solid coach for many years but I think a no nonsense guy like Sparano might be just what Sanchez and the offense needs to take his play to the next level.

On a side note, I would love to see Sparano get Joe McKnight to do some of the things he got Reggie Bush to do last year. That would be a great way to improve the offense from within. Still need a sure handed play making WR opposite Holmes though.

[JetMan01]

I have mixed feelings about the Sparano hiring. In the Michael Kay radio interview I believe he asked a very insightful question(not an endorsement of M Kay, just giving him credit), when he asked whether Sparano was concerned about his being a run-first guy and the league starting to favor passing teams. Given the personnel, it would probably never make sense to back off the run game and air-it-out like New Orleans or Green Bay, as I don't think anyone would argue that Sanchez getting 40+ attempts like Brees and Rodgers would be a good thing. That said, I feel its worth noting that Rex Ryan still believes the identity of this team is ground and pound and play suffocating defense. The Sparano hiring reflects this. I'm just concerned that its embracing a losing strategy of tomorrows NFL. I guess it all boils down to if you believe the AFC champ teams' model for success can be duplicated, and furthermore the implied question would be: can the NFL really change that fast? Food for thought, I suppose.

[derza222]

Tomlinson had some interesting comments on the Sanchez-Holmes relationship, sounds like it was pretty bad. Wonder if Holmes will be gone regardless of the cap ramifications. Looks like the cap situation will be really bad too, not too much cap room. Also as I've been thinking about it, I think next year might be a good time to take some cap hits and cut some guys who will not be around long term to rebuild a bit. Not sure the team will be all that competitive regardless, would rather start that process a year early than a year late.

Also, would like to see more two tight end sets next year. Good for running the ball and it doesn't look like WR situation will be great next year. If we can find another TE it'd suit the style and make personnel a bit easier as well.

[JETS5128]

Yeah what LT said was real interesting. Hopefully Sparanos experience with Marshall helps and he can get Holmes to buy into the offense. If not he simply must be cut, bottom line.

Also, holding out hope that Hue Jackson gets brought in the longer he stays available

[derza222]

I want Braylon Edwards back on a cheap deal. Big need at WR, he's explosive, has size, and can block so he's a good fit, he signed a cheap one year deal and is coming off a bad season so should be even cheaper. If he can shelve his pride and come back that's a high upside, cost effective way to fill a big need on the team.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Rex must have been predicting the Giants, not Jets. We definitely aren't #1 in NY!!!

Try to ride low this year boys...

[katnip]

Anyone see the espn/sportscenter clip from John Clayton, on if Peyton does get let go? He mentioned the Jets then Skins. Were there other teams he mentioned? I just turned it on

[derza222]

Sounds like per a tweet (and I never know how much those actually mean) Braylon might be willing to come back to the Jets next year. After a down year he'd probably come pretty cheap, and I think as a downfield threat he was sorely misse. This offseason there's not a ton of cap room to work with, so something along the lines of signing him to start at WR, Anthony Collins (Bengals) to play right tackle, re-signing Pouha, possibly re-signing Leonhard and Thomas depending on injuries (I frankly don't think either comes back, but the safeties in this FA class are weak so if Leonhard doesn't come back and Smith gets cut that might mean drafting both starting safeties this year which is a frightening prospect), and maybe bringing back most RFA's (Maybin would be nice) would be plenty in FA and put the team basically in as good a position as they could hope to be in heading into the draft given there's little to no cap room.

Pouha is probably the most expensive guy on the list, nobody would really break the bank and a lot of it is bringing guys back. Still, the additions of Edwards and Collins I think would be huge for the offense and the you've got the draft to address safety (at least one starter there), maybe OLB (to compete with Maybin and hopefully end up starting) and RB (ditto but for Greene), add some depth on the OL (maybe a guard to compete with Slauson and/or potentially take over for Moore down the road), maybe bring in an ILB to take over for Scott when he's gone, bring in another WR (if Holmes is gone too then another WR is obviously necessary as well and moves up much higher on the list). Plus they could bring in a punter in the late rounds since there's a 3-4 comp picks in the 6th and 7th rounds they should be getting, maybe some beef on the defensive line, a small school corner for Rex to develop, a tight end who can play in two TE sets, actually catch the ball and block some...lots of good mid-late round options.

Might not be a completely realistic offseason, but they obviously have familiarity with Edwards and Ryan just said he thought they missed him and it seems like Edwards might be willing to come back. Pretty sure they kicked the tires on Collins a few years ago when he was a RFA too, so I think there's been some interest there. He's not going to start in Cincy with Whitworth and Andre Smith at the tackles, but he's played well when he's been on the field and that's a tough division. Not a big splash but I think he'd be a clear, cost effective upgrade.

[katnip]

Whats the word on Ducasse? Is he a guard, right tackle, etc.? And has he shown improvement to play next year?

And if the Jets do get Peyton like alot of the media (yes, I know its just media) think they'll try to do. Do you think it changes their draft plans?

[Robcards]

I don't like bringing back Pouha, and I don't think they will, I believe they've set out to get younger on the defensive line. If I'm the Jets the only guys I'd resign are Jim Leonhard, Jamaal Westerman, and Aaron Maybin. Possibly Cole and Strickland. Burress for the league minimum or equally small 1 yr contract. Thomas, Pool, Brunell, O'Connell, Turner, and Tomlinson are most likely gone.

Also I'm not sure where you're getting that the Jets won't have a lot of cap room to work with, I'm seeing 40mil under the cap... I'd rather the Jets get Matt Forte than an end of the road Peyton Manning.

[Robcards]

Whats the word on Ducasse? Is he a guard, right tackle, etc.? And has he shown improvement to play next year?

And if the Jets do get Peyton like alot of the media (yes, I know its just media) think they'll try to do. Do you think it changes their draft plans?

I'd expect the Jets to draft 2 offensive linemen and have them compete for the openings at LG and RT in pre-season.

I hope the Jets don't get Peyton (still pissed off about the Favre fiasco), he would not be worth the money. I think the Redskins make a lot more sense personally. However, I think it would change the plans slightly for later rounds, I think round 1 they still go pass-rusher, but later rounds maybe less emphasis on big run-blocking offensive linemen like I think they will do now.

[Flaming Mo]

I don't like bringing back Pouha, and I don't think they will, I believe they've set out to get younger on the defensive line. If I'm the Jets the only guys I'd resign are Jim Leonhard, Jamaal Westerman, and Aaron Maybin. Possibly Cole and Strickland. Burress for the league minimum or equally small 1 yr contract. Thomas, Pool, Brunell, O'Connell, Turner, and Tomlinson are most likely gone.

Also I'm not sure where you're getting that the Jets won't have a lot of cap room to work with, I'm seeing 40mil under the cap... I'd rather the Jets get Matt Forte than an end of the road Peyton Manning.

Why not resign Pouha?! He is a young 32 and one of the best run stuffing NT in the league. Plus what's even more important he is one of the defensive leaders and a great locker room presence. He should be back at a reasonable and give Ellis more time to develop. We cant risk to go into the season with two unproven 3-4 NTs in Ellis and MTV. And outside of Pouha we are extremely young on the defensive line so age really isnt a concern as the backups are all south of 30.

[Flaming Mo]

Whats the word on Ducasse? Is he a guard, right tackle, etc.? And has he shown improvement to play next year?

And if the Jets do get Peyton like alot of the media (yes, I know its just media) think they'll try to do. Do you think it changes their draft plans?

He has been an incredible bust so far and he has no football IQ at all. He has incredible strength run blocking and can maul people but other than that he would likely get the QB killed within the first couple of snaps. He is playing the extra tackle in the big packages but he really has shown no real improvement at all yet. I think his future is at guard...

[Robcards]

Why not resign Pouha?! He is a young 32 and one of the best run stuffing NT in the league. Plus what's even more important he is one of the defensive leaders and a great locker room presence. He should be back at a reasonable and give Ellis more time to develop. We cant risk to go into the season with two unproven 3-4 NTs in Ellis and MTV. And outside of Pouha we are extremely young on the defensive line so age really isnt a concern as the backups are all south of 30.

Disagree about Pouha being one of the best run-stopping NTs but ok lol. Out of Devito, Pouha, and Wilkerson, he's the worst player on that front 3. Wilkerson's development over the year is what turned our awful run defense around IMO.

[derza222]

I don't like bringing back Pouha, and I don't think they will, I believe they've set out to get younger on the defensive line. If I'm the Jets the only guys I'd resign are Jim Leonhard, Jamaal Westerman, and Aaron Maybin. Possibly Cole and Strickland. Burress for the league minimum or equally small 1 yr contract. Thomas, Pool, Brunell, O'Connell, Turner, and Tomlinson are most likely gone.

Also I'm not sure where you're getting that the Jets won't have a lot of cap room to work with, I'm seeing 40mil under the cap... I'd rather the Jets get Matt Forte than an end of the road Peyton Manning.

On Pouha, I'm not deadset on them bringing him back, I just anticipate that they might. Not sure Ellis is ready to start, and if they believe the team is going to be competitive next year I think you bring back Pouha on a 2-3 year deal. If not I could see not bringing him back and like I said I would be fine with that.

As for the cap, not sure where you're seeing that, could you link me? I don't see anything close to 40 million under the cap. I generally use nyjetscap.com and The Jets Blog had an article about it as well. Seems like they're at the cap and with a few moves could get under enough to make some minor plays. Huge difference between about at the cap and 40 million under though.

[Nebkreb]

Disagree about Pouha being one of the best run-stopping NTs but ok lol. Out of Devito, Pouha, and Wilkerson, he's the worst player on that front 3. Wilkerson's development over the year is what turned our awful run defense around IMO.

Pouha is widely regarded as one of the best run-stuffing interior lineman in the NFL. His role in Ryan's 3-4 defense basically asks him to suck up blockers on pass plays, which plays in to his strengths as he's not a great pass rusher. But he is the anchor of our running defense. Every time Pace, Harris, Scott or Leonhard make a tackle behind the LOS, Pouha is assuredly drawing 2 or 3 blockers, or penetrating in to the backfield to disrupt the initial run. Resigning him is the #1 priority for the team - Ellis is without a doubt not ready to play full time.
If anyone might go from the D-line, it might be DeVito. He was injured for much of this year and the Jets survived thanks to improved play from Tevaseu and Marcus Dixon. Plus (if I recall correctly from TheJetsBlog) he would free up some cap space if cut or traded.
Wilkerson was excellent this year considering his position - 3-4 defensive linemen don't rack up great counting stats, but are integral to how Ryan's linebackers and secondary players blitz. Wilk should be the starting 3-4 end for years to come.

In terms of the draft overall: I would be fine with Mark Barron, or whichever of the blitzing OLBs that Ryan likes in the 1st round. Barron is pretty clearly the best safety in the draft and our safeties are so woefully bad it's horrendous. If you can bring back Leonhard on a cheap deal, I am okay with that. Leonhard would have a much easier time playing his natural strong safety position if he had a true coverage guy like (hopefully) Barron behind him. Eric Smith's inability to play any position (strong safety, free safety, waterboy...) made Leonhard play out of position. Brodney Pool as the 3rd safety is fine.

Would love to see WRs later on - Nick Toon has both the name recognition (dad played excellently for Jets) and ability in the 2nd round. Some offensive line help is a must - both starting at RT and general depth - if Ducasse is your first backup like last year, something is horribly wrong. He's pretty much a lost cause at this point. Hopefully Turner can come back from the (Ducasse-caused) injury and be our first back up interior lineman. Love to see a replacement RT plus another depth guy.

Some inside linebacker help would be nice. Harris is a beast, but Scott is on the downhill and the backups are all undrafted free agents (Mauga). Need to be more athletic and faster.

[Flaming Mo]

Pouha is widely regarded as one of the best run-stuffing interior lineman in the NFL. His role in Ryan's 3-4 defense basically asks him to suck up blockers on pass plays, which plays in to his strengths as he's not a great pass rusher. But he is the anchor of our running defense. Every time Pace, Harris, Scott or Leonhard make a tackle behind the LOS, Pouha is assuredly drawing 2 or 3 blockers, or penetrating in to the backfield to disrupt the initial run. Resigning him is the #1 priority for the team - Ellis is without a doubt not ready to play full time.
If anyone might go from the D-line, it might be DeVito. He was injured for much of this year and the Jets survived thanks to improved play from Tevaseu and Marcus Dixon. Plus (if I recall correctly from TheJetsBlog) he would free up some cap space if cut or traded.
Wilkerson was excellent this year considering his position - 3-4 defensive linemen don't rack up great counting stats, but are integral to how Ryan's linebackers and secondary players blitz. Wilk should be the starting 3-4 end for years to come.

In terms of the draft overall: I would be fine with Mark Barron, or whichever of the blitzing OLBs that Ryan likes in the 1st round. Barron is pretty clearly the best safety in the draft and our safeties are so woefully bad it's horrendous. If you can bring back Leonhard on a cheap deal, I am okay with that. Leonhard would have a much easier time playing his natural strong safety position if he had a true coverage guy like (hopefully) Barron behind him. Eric Smith's inability to play any position (strong safety, free safety, waterboy...) made Leonhard play out of position. Brodney Pool as the 3rd safety is fine.

Would love to see WRs later on - Nick Toon has both the name recognition (dad played excellently for Jets) and ability in the 2nd round. Some offensive line help is a must - both starting at RT and general depth - if Ducasse is your first backup like last year, something is horribly wrong. He's pretty much a lost cause at this point. Hopefully Turner can come back from the (Ducasse-caused) injury and be our first back up interior lineman. Love to see a replacement RT plus another depth guy.

Some inside linebacker help would be nice. Harris is a beast, but Scott is on the downhill and the backups are all undrafted free agents (Mauga). Need to be more athletic and faster.

Very good post. I don't think Barron is clearly the best safety in the draft but other than that, great post...

[JETS5128]

Yeah i think that this is a pretty deep safety class with guys like Harrison Smith and Markelle Martin outside of round 1. Would love to nab a pass rusher round 1 then one of those guys later on

[derza222]

Yeah i think that this is a pretty deep safety class with guys like Harrison Smith and Markelle Martin outside of round 1. Would love to nab a pass rusher round 1 then one of those guys later on

Yeah, there might be a need for more than one safety also so they might want to grab more than one depending on who gets signed/re-signed in FA. The FA safety class looks pretty bad to me.

Only problems I see with that plan are that I'm not sure which round 1 pass rushers I really like and it ignores the worse side of the ball for the most part. Still could make sense though.

[Nebkreb]

Very good post. I don't think Barron is clearly the best safety in the draft but other than that, great post...

That's fair and the depth at safety looks good too. I would have no problem with a pass rusher in round 1 and a safety in 2 or 3. I think safety, pass rusher and RT are clearly our biggest needs.

[derza222]

I would say WR is pretty clearly a big need as well with the Holmes situation and Burress as a FA. The offense really needs more explosiveness in general, big plays were few and far between last year.

[Robcards]

Jets are probably looking at guys like McNutt, Jerell Robinson, or Jeff fuller in round 4 or 5 for wide out. Markelle Martin would be great if they can nab him round 2, but I think drafting Barron round 1 would be a catastrophic mistake. He is not worth pick 16, not by a mile. I think Upshaw/Ingram is a no brainer round 1

[derza222]

Not sure I agree with you about the WR situation, I can't see taking a guy in the 4th or 5th round and expecting him to play a significant role right away let alone start. It's FA or an earlier round at that position in my opinion at a bare minimum, if Holmes gets the axe it's even more significant because you have to bring in two starters. Need to make sure your investment at quarterback has guys he can throw to and the offense is the weaker side of the football anyway.

Don't think Upshaw/Ingram is a no brainer in the first round either. A legitimate option to consider, but far from a no brainer for me. Think there are questions how both project (Ingram moreso) with their size and lack of elite athleticism as pass rushers. Upshaw at least I think is going to be a guy you can plug and play and expect to be rock solid as a 3-4 OLB since he's just a good football player and has experience playing the position, but not sure he's going to be an elite pass rusher. Ingram's versatile, but much more of a roll of the dice since with his size/arms he can get engulfed by tackles and he doesn't nearly have Upshaw's experience playing the position.

[Robcards]

I don't like any of the receivers the Jets can get value-wise in the draft early. If alshon slips to 2nd round pick 15, awesome, if not then one of the day 3 guys I mentioned. Who do you suggest they get and with what pick? Any scenario where a wr gets taken round 1 is awful in my opinion.

[derza222]

I don't necessarily think they need to draft a WR in the first round, and would prefer they sign somebody in FA on the cheap (Braylon Edwards would be fine by me) if they can. However, I would be shocked if they let a mid-round rookie come in and expect him to start on a team that had an anemic offense last year mostly due to a poor passing game. They're going to want whoever is playing quarterback (and I'd be shocked if it wasn't Sanchez, meaning all the more need to improve the supporting cast) to have some weapons.

[Flaming Mo]

That's fair and the depth at safety looks good too. I would have no problem with a pass rusher in round 1 and a safety in 2 or 3. I think safety, pass rusher and RT are clearly our biggest needs.

Exactly. We might create one or two more holes by releasing Bart Scott and trading Holmes, youll never know. In the end though it is pretty obvious what the Jets have to do and I have faith in them that they will make the needed efforts to improve the team.

[derza222]

Looks like Holmes and Sanchez are going to try to make peace. Seems like the kind of thing that might blow up in everyone's face, but hopefully it works out. We'll know if Holmes is actually going to get cut soon since he's guaranteed $15 million or something like that if he's on the roster after February 8, seems very unlikely that he'll get cut though. Seems like it might be the kind of thing that winning would cure, but things will get worse if the team has another bad season next year. Whether or not the team actually wins next season is a completely different story.

Will be interesting to see what happens this offseason, lots of needs. Free agency starts in about a month so we'll see what they elect to address there and which they decide to leave for the draft.

Also there have been rumors that Dustin Keller might get traded as he's not a great blocker and not a really good fit for the offense Sparano might bring in. Not sure if that'll be the case, but if not since there's a good chance Burress goes in FA, would still be good to bring in a legitimate TE IMO who can block and catch the ball and run two TE sets as en vogue as it's going to be with the Pats having so much success doing it. Easier to disguise run vs pass, Keller not being a tremendous blocker isn't quite as important if there's another blocking TE out there, good set to run out of, still two pass catching options out there, and Sanchez needs/likes big targets anyway.

Also, Curtis Martin got into the HOF. Very happy for him, one of my favorite Jets.

[derza222]

Apparently Wayne Hunter's salary this season ($2.5 million) is now fully guaranteed because he wasn't released today. Do not understand the rationale behind this at all. At the very least they should have cut him and seen if he would re-sign to a cheaper deal. Especially ridiculous because the team's over the cap as is.

[Nebkreb]

Apparently Wayne Hunter's salary this season ($2.5 million) is now fully guaranteed because he wasn't released today. Do not understand the rationale behind this at all. At the very least they should have cut him and seen if he would re-sign to a cheaper deal. Especially ridiculous because the team's over the cap as is.

as much as I don't want to be a douche, this feels like typical Jets. Obvious solution with no downside... nope!

[TimD]

Apparently Wayne Hunter's salary this season ($2.5 million) is now fully guaranteed because he wasn't released today. Do not understand the rationale behind this at all. At the very least they should have cut him and seen if he would re-sign to a cheaper deal. Especially ridiculous because the team's over the cap as is.

i dont understand what the hell mike t is thinking. this was a terrible decision. 2.5 mil is wayyy too much for an awful RT/depth OL

last offseason/this season/this offseason so far has completely destroyed what was a super bowl caliber team

[derza222]

On the bright side Brick restructured his contract and it saves $7.5 million against the cap. Some more restructuring is on the way I'd bet, wonder how much cap room the team will have at the start of the offseason.

[derza222]

Bart Scott has been given permission to seek a trade. Wonder if they try to draft his replacement or stick with Mauga, know the coaching staff is high on him. Would be easier to stick with Mauga, just opens up another need if they have to draft a starting ILB too. May not be a priority position though, I'm sure they take them out in nickel. Does open up Luke Kuechly if he's around, would be an interesting option to help cover TE's.

[katnip]

After watching Dontari Poe combine workout... If he falls to the NYJ at 16 do you take him? I would seeing how K. Ellis hardly saw the field last year.

[derza222]

Depends who else is on the board. I probably would but it has nothing to do with Ellis, he did well when he saw the field IMO and I think he has a good future ahead of him.

[JETS5128]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/the-jets-want-to-bring-braylon-edwards-back/

This **** better happen

[gpngc]

They were so stupid for replacing him with Plax in the first place.

[katnip]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/the-jets-want-to-bring-braylon-edwards-back/

This **** better happen

Yeah......

[derza222]

Bringing back Braylon would be excellent. Not sure it completely closes the possibility of drafting a WR, particularly on day 2 or early day 3, but his explosiveness was really missed. Chance he'll be cheap too, not sure who's going to pay too much for him after last year - especially in a pretty good WR class.

[katnip]

Anyone else see/hear the team's interested in bringing in/signing Jason Campbell. I would.. Can't see he'd be that expensive be close to 30 years of age and coming off season ending injury. (I always liked him)

[Hurricanes25]

Anyone else see/hear the team's interested in bringing in/signing Jason Campbell. I would.. Can't see he'd be that expensive be close to 30 years of age and coming off season ending injury. (I always liked him)

I didn't hear that yet but I'm for it. I've been a fan since his Auburn days. He would either push Sanchez to get better or perhaps even win the starting job.

[SenorGato]

Mo, who's better than Barron at safety in this draft?

[JETS5128]

My very realistic off-season wish list as of today

1. Re-sign Braylon
2. Draft Melvin Ingram round 1
3. Markelle Martin round 2
4. Vlad develops into starting RT or Wayne Hunter miraculously improves
5. Sign Laron Landry

[Hurricanes25]

My very realistic off-season wish list as of today

1. Re-sign Braylon
2. Draft Melvin Ingram round 1
3. Markelle Martin round 2
4. Vlad develops into starting RT or Wayne Hunter miraculously improves
5. Sign Laron Landry

I'm not sure if #4 is realistic. I'd be pretty happy with everything else though.

[derza222]

My very realistic off-season wish list as of today

1. Re-sign Braylon
2. Draft Melvin Ingram round 1
3. Markelle Martin round 2
4. Vlad develops into starting RT or Wayne Hunter miraculously improves
5. Sign Laron Landry

I agree with 'Canes, not sure 4 is very realistic. Also I know the safety spot was a weakness, but for a position that Ryan doesn't seem to prioritize that much I think Martin in round 2 along with Landry is a little more than they'll do.

The Sanchez move is both interesting and frightening in terms of this offseason. I'm sure they did it to open up more cap space, just not sure if that means they're gunning up to make one big move or a lot of small-medium moves. Kind of afraid of Tannenbaum doing something stupid, this team tries way to hard to make big moves and I'd just like to see them do a lot of small stuff. What I'd like to see them do in free agency:

Sign Landry - Agree with 5128 and I think this should be our big move this offseason. Slightly concerned about his injury concerns and with the lack of safeties on the market and his big name I wonder if he'll get overpaid, but he hits which Rex wants from his safeties and is the best one left.

Sign Vernon Carey/Anthony Collins/Demetrius Bell - Depends how much they all cost and how much cap space there is, but I'd like one of these three. Collins is a personal favorite and will probably be the cheapest of the three, played really well for the Bengals when he was given opportunities but was blocked by two other good tackles. Bell played really well for the Bills last year, and I like Carey better at tackle than at guard - reminds me a bit of Woody who was sorely missed last year. Sparano obviously knows Carey too so he seems like a logical fit.

Sign Jarret Johnson/re-sign Bryan Thomas - Obviously the OLB position was a real weakness last year, and a lot of people are clamoring for more pass rush. I think that's logical, but I'm pretty concerned about the inability our OLB's had to set the edge last year. Defending the run between the tackles was fine, but backs got outside way too easily. Maybin is a nice option on third downs to get after the QB, and bringing in either Johnson or Thomas would be big for setting the edge in the run game and would also help in coverage. I think Thomas will be cheaper coming off of an injury and if he's healthy I'd rather bring him back than presumably overpay for Johnson, but either of these guys would be a reasonable band aid for the OLB spot.

Re-sign Jim Leonhard - Coming off of two injuries another option should be brought in, but he should come cheap because of injury concerns and knows the defense as well as anyone. Plus he seems to like playing for Rex. Think he's one of the top veteran safety options with all (cost, knowledge of scheme, ability) are brought into play, just need to make sure they have a better backup option.

Sign Braylon Edwards - Agree with 5128 again here. The team really, really missed having a big threat who could also get downfield last year. Edwards is a really good run blocker and would help open up the offense with his ability to get deep. Forces teams to give safety help opposite Holmes which helps him out and can make plays downfield and in the redzone. Great fit for a run based, "chunk play" scheme that they're moving towards, liked New York, knows a lot of the team, and should come cheap after a bad, injury filled season last year. Some risk, but definitely an intelligent roll of the dice for the cost (similar to how I see Leonhard and Thomas).

Re-sign Sione Pouha - I go back and forth on this, and I think it depends on the length of the deal and the amount of cap space the team has. With all of the holes and the age on the team I kind of wonder if going into rebuilding mode and half trying to contend is the best move, and I think a lot of the short term cheap moves above are good for trying to do that. In that case maybe Kenrick Ellis just gets his shot to start this year, as he looked good in limited time. If not I do think that bringing back Pouha on a 3-4 year deal that's relatively reasonable and easy to get out of after 2 years would be good. He's a team leader and obviously an excellent player, so for the right deal it would be great to get him back.

Cut Eric Smith - Maybe re-sign him to a cheaper deal, but he's not worth what he's getting paid. Solid ST guy and seems like a smart guy and a team player, but just should not get playing time at safety. Brutal in coverage and too slow.

Try to trade Bart Scott and Wayne Hunter - I highly doubt any team will give anything up for either of these guys, but if you can get something for either you do it. Even if you can get some cap room by moving them and almost give the other team more in the trade to take them on I think you do it. Really just mentioned this because it's been rumored and either would be awesome.

I think an offseason like this is solid for a few reasons. One, the team obviously has quite a few holes but not a whole lot of money to address them with. I think you get two hopefully long-term starters (Landry and one of the tackles) and that fills arguably the two most important spots. Given there's not much money left in all likelihood, bringing back guys like BT, Leonhard, and Edwards who have been around the team, know the scheme (in the case of the defensive guys), and should be relatively cheap is better than bringing in brand new guys for the same price or slightly safer options for more money given the cap space. The fact that they're likely to be short-term deals hopefully allows the team to contend somewhat while keeping long-term cap room open and trying to rebuild about this.

Additionally, it kind of fills the major holes on this team and allows a lot of flexibility heading into the draft. Essentially you now have two safeties, a right tackle, an outside linebacker, a wide recevier, and a nose tackle you'd feel alright about heading into the season. But at the same time, both safeties are injury prone and one is probably unlikely to start, your outside linebacker is aging a bit and the pass rush still needs to improve, the wide receiver is coming off of a bad year, and you could probably use an upgrade and some more explosivness at running back. Plus guys like DeVito and Moore can be cut to increase cap room, you probably need a long-term successor to Scott unless you really like Mauga, a TE who can block would be nice, there's no real backup QB on the team...basically almost anything makes sense and you can just take BPA all draft long and definitely improve your team somehow. There's no way this actually happens, but I think this is the best offseason if you want to contend in the short term and retain cap flexibility to build your team properly in the long term.

[Magaca]

I agree with 'Canes, not sure 4 is very realistic. Also I know the safety spot was a weakness, but for a position that Ryan doesn't seem to prioritize that much I think Martin in round 2 along with Landry is a little more than they'll do.

The Sanchez move is both interesting and frightening in terms of this offseason. I'm sure they did it to open up more cap space, just not sure if that means they're gunning up to make one big move or a lot of small-medium moves. Kind of afraid of Tannenbaum doing something stupid, this team tries way to hard to make big moves and I'd just like to see them do a lot of small stuff. What I'd like to see them do in free agency:

Sign Landry - Agree with 5128 and I think this should be our big move this offseason. Slightly concerned about his injury concerns and with the lack of safeties on the market and his big name I wonder if he'll get overpaid, but he hits which Rex wants from his safeties and is the best one left.

Sign Vernon Carey/Anthony Collins/Demetrius Bell - Depends how much they all cost and how much cap space there is, but I'd like one of these three. Collins is a personal favorite and will probably be the cheapest of the three, played really well for the Bengals when he was given opportunities but was blocked by two other good tackles. Bell played really well for the Bills last year, and I like Carey better at tackle than at guard - reminds me a bit of Woody who was sorely missed last year. Sparano obviously knows Carey too so he seems like a logical fit.

Sign Jarret Johnson/re-sign Bryan Thomas - Obviously the OLB position was a real weakness last year, and a lot of people are clamoring for more pass rush. I think that's logical, but I'm pretty concerned about the inability our OLB's had to set the edge last year. Defending the run between the tackles was fine, but backs got outside way too easily. Maybin is a nice option on third downs to get after the QB, and bringing in either Johnson or Thomas would be big for setting the edge in the run game and would also help in coverage. I think Thomas will be cheaper coming off of an injury and if he's healthy I'd rather bring him back than presumably overpay for Johnson, but either of these guys would be a reasonable band aid for the OLB spot.

Re-sign Jim Leonhard - Coming off of two injuries another option should be brought in, but he should come cheap because of injury concerns and knows the defense as well as anyone. Plus he seems to like playing for Rex. Think he's one of the top veteran safety options with all (cost, knowledge of scheme, ability) are brought into play, just need to make sure they have a better backup option.

Sign Braylon Edwards - Agree with 5128 again here. The team really, really missed having a big threat who could also get downfield last year. Edwards is a really good run blocker and would help open up the offense with his ability to get deep. Forces teams to give safety help opposite Holmes which helps him out and can make plays downfield and in the redzone. Great fit for a run based, "chunk play" scheme that they're moving towards, liked New York, knows a lot of the team, and should come cheap after a bad, injury filled season last year. Some risk, but definitely an intelligent roll of the dice for the cost (similar to how I see Leonhard and Thomas).

Re-sign Sione Pouha - I go back and forth on this, and I think it depends on the length of the deal and the amount of cap space the team has. With all of the holes and the age on the team I kind of wonder if going into rebuilding mode and half trying to contend is the best move, and I think a lot of the short term cheap moves above are good for trying to do that. In that case maybe Kenrick Ellis just gets his shot to start this year, as he looked good in limited time. If not I do think that bringing back Pouha on a 3-4 year deal that's relatively reasonable and easy to get out of after 2 years would be good. He's a team leader and obviously an excellent player, so for the right deal it would be great to get him back.

Cut Eric Smith - Maybe re-sign him to a cheaper deal, but he's not worth what he's getting paid. Solid ST guy and seems like a smart guy and a team player, but just should not get playing time at safety. Brutal in coverage and too slow.

Try to trade Bart Scott and Wayne Hunter - I highly doubt any team will give anything up for either of these guys, but if you can get something for either you do it. Even if you can get some cap room by moving them and almost give the other team more in the trade to take them on I think you do it. Really just mentioned this because it's been rumored and either would be awesome.

I think an offseason like this is solid for a few reasons. One, the team obviously has quite a few holes but not a whole lot of money to address them with. I think you get two hopefully long-term starters (Landry and one of the tackles) and that fills arguably the two most important spots. Given there's not much money left in all likelihood, bringing back guys like BT, Leonhard, and Edwards who have been around the team, know the scheme (in the case of the defensive guys), and should be relatively cheap is better than bringing in brand new guys for the same price or slightly safer options for more money given the cap space. The fact that they're likely to be short-term deals hopefully allows the team to contend somewhat while keeping long-term cap room open and trying to rebuild about this.

Additionally, it kind of fills the major holes on this team and allows a lot of flexibility heading into the draft. Essentially you now have two safeties, a right tackle, an outside linebacker, a wide recevier, and a nose tackle you'd feel alright about heading into the season. But at the same time, both safeties are injury prone and one is probably unlikely to start, your outside linebacker is aging a bit and the pass rush still needs to improve, the wide receiver is coming off of a bad year, and you could probably use an upgrade and some more explosivness at running back. Plus guys like DeVito and Moore can be cut to increase cap room, you probably need a long-term successor to Scott unless you really like Mauga, a TE who can block would be nice, there's no real backup QB on the team...basically almost anything makes sense and you can just take BPA all draft long and definitely improve your team somehow. There's no way this actually happens, but I think this is the best offseason if you want to contend in the short term and retain cap flexibility to build your team properly in the long term.

This post deserved better than no comments. I agree with almost all of it, although i don't think we should get rid of Scott as he played very very well in the ~60% of snaps he was in for. I also think the Pouha resigning was a nobrainer. Lastly, now that we have some extra cap room after the Sanchez deal, i wouldn't be pissed if we went after Eric Winston or Manny Lawson. We obviously can't afford guys like Mario Williams etc. but a second tier guy should be considered.

[timewaster]

First day of free agency and we resigned Bryan Thomas and signed a back up center.

I like to think that the Jets will finally figure out a WR combination..... not like it matters. It will be new, like each year Mark has been the QB. Whatever. Its an issue. The Jets key to victory is a dominate oline.. If they can run the ball even when the opposing team knew it (2009 Jets), Marks "maturity" will come out.

And a pass rusher, finally.

[TimD]

Well Im happy to see Puoha and BT return. Both add some versatility and depth to the front 7. I hope this doesn't mean the search for a pass rushing OLB is over though. I think they need to get someone explosive to get after the QB but also be an every down player.

And its good to see that they are involved in talks with a bunch of safeties. I think Meriweather would be a good fit in Rex's defense. Hes a bit of a nutcase but it should make for exciting football. Nelson and Landry are physical freaks but I wish someone who can cover TEs well was available.

I really hope Mario Williams doesn't sign with the Bills. I thought the Jets would have shown him a lot more interest. Hopefully it will be like the Eagles-Nnamdi signing and we'll steal him late haha

Im also a bit surprised the Jets havent gone after a WR either. I thought this would be a priority especially after they put their faith in Sanchez. He needs to get a deep threat and some goddamn pass protection. Its ridiculous that they look to be settling with Wayne Hunter. I know we dont have a huge amount of cap space but protecting your QB should be a priority.

Hopefully theyll have a couple good signings in the next few weeks and have a smart draft.

[YotoJets007]

I am not entirely happy with the Sanchez extension. This extension only frees up about 4m. Cutting him would free up a nice 8m. I think, no I KNOW, Jets can find a mediocre quarterback at a half price. Sparano has struggled to develop a quarterback into an above average quarterback. Statistically, Sanchez is an above average quarterback but he is far from a true quarterback. Also, Ryan wants the offense to return back to a boring ground and pound. What is the point of overpaying Sanchez to play this kind of offense.


I don't understand why Jets franchise has insisted on protecting Sanchez but Whatever!

Ferguson's restructure would only cover Scott's expense if Jets could not trade him as Jets seemingly incline to get rid of him.

I may give Hunter another chance at RT because Sparano will use a simple preset motion or lack of it. Ferguson and his company gave up too many sacks as a result of Scottenheimer's complicated preset motions. Also, Jets will rely on the running game so pass protection may be lesser priority for Jets right now.

Safety remains weak throughout the organization, free agency and draft but I learned that Atgowe (will try to spell his name right once he is with Jets) is cut. Jets should make a reasonable offer to him to see if he bites. Once the attempt is successful, Jets could find a way to draft Norte Dame's Harrison Smith. It ought to bolster the safety depth. Otherwise, Jets should not be overaggressive on gathering S.


I like to see Jets find a way to get WR Rueben Randle, Andre Branch and Harrison Smith in first 2 rounds.

[hcbrad08]

Now that Schottenheimer has moved on to St. Louis, there is a very real possibility that Sanchez may figure it out. Brian Schottenheimer is known for his complex offenses that require quarterback input and according to SI.com/Draft Insider expert Tony Pauline, Schottenheimer’s playbook made Einstein’s theory of special relativity look like Jessica Simpson’s diary.

Why was the Jets offensive line so bad last year and why did so many players underachieve? Part of the problem is that the playbook was so thick and the blocking schemes so complicated many of the offensive lineman were over thinking all season. via Draft Insider

Quarterbacks have struggled in a Schottenheimer offense before but 29 touchdowns and 31 interceptions through three seasons is atrocious. Especially when you have Ladainian Tomlinson leading the ground game. However, those aren’t Mark Sanchez’s numbers. Those statistics belonged to then SD QB Drew Brees.

Before Drew Brees was a Super Bowl MVP, the single season passing yardage record holder and the savior of a city, he was a pedestrian passer bogged down by a Schottenheimer offense. Back then, Brian’s father Marty was the Chargers head coach and Brian was quarterbacks coach. Marty's father had the same reputation of quarterbacks struggling in his system until the click switched in Bress' head.

In 2003, his third season, Brees threw 11 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. In Week 9 of the 2003 season, the Chargers were forced to abandon their practice facility because of the poor air quality. That’s how badly Drew Brees and the Chargers passing offense stunk it up against the 3-5 Chicago Bears defense. Brees completed just 7-of-15 passes for 49 yards and an interception before he was replaced by 41-year old backup Doug Flutie.

In his fourth season Brees threw for 24 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. His situation in San Diego closely resembles Sanchez’s but history diverged Friday when the Jets put their commitment to Sanchez in writing.

Great excerpts from SB Nation...I've kept reading the blog for a while and couldn't let that rip on Sanchez stand. Give him a chance. Retooling the QB situation would cripple the cap and franchise. The Jets really committed to him for 2 more years. If he continues to be inconsistent they can cut ties easily. If not they have him at a cheap 12 mil for a franchise QB in the prime of his career.

Remember Donovan McNabbs Contract "Extension" it was a protection scheme for the Eagles and a way to keep cap room. Sanchez haters remember, the stats for Brees and Eli and note how Sanchez has exceeded those and the favorable comparisons regarding his progress.

The Jets should be retooling the D (Pass rush and seam coverage) and bolstering the Line NOT finding a new QB 3 years into his tenure in the NFL. Go back to running the ball controling the clock, keeping the D off the field!, and getting chunk plays from playaction. If Chad Pennington thinks Sanchez has the work ethic and he's flashed the skill set, let's stick with the guy who's manned the helm to two AFC championships and give him the right tools to help on offense and the identity to get the Defense back on track.

My hopes for FA/Draft:
1)Sign Landry/Nelson and Leonhard Signed for vets
2) Sign Jarrett Johnson and/or Jameel McLean provided Bart Scott isn't back
3)Draft a Safety for the future (Martin in the second, Barron in the first if a LB isnt there)
4)Draft a LB (ILB-Hightower or OLB-Upshaw/Ingram)
5)Draft another WR (Nick Toon/AJ Jenkins/Marvin jones [yes bc of his name] and if in the 2nd Stephen Hill would be GREAT value if still there)
6) Draft a midrounder OL to compete, blue collar, angry streak, BIG BODY, positional diversity would be great. Ideally to replace Hunter, but I think they're sticking with VLAD (sadly)

Good to be back, I'll see you all again around draft time

[Nebkreb]

Thoughts:

Much rather have Nelson over Landry and Meriweather. Meriweather's talent was always overplayed - big hitter that can't cover, plus he kept getting fined/flagged. Landry is a good safety, but a more in the box safety which we have about 12 of. Nelson is a true free safety, able to cover TEs and WRs down the field. Not a great tackler, but not many free safeties are.

Sign either Anthony Collins or Eric Winston. I think Winston is a better RT, however I think he will need more money to sign. Many blogs/writers that I trust say that Collins was by far the best RT free agent before Winston cut, and it's a tossup between the two.

Other than that, a backup QB is fine. Then head in to the draft and grab a pass rushing OLB, some offensive line depth, a #2 WR and another safety. Using the four or five compensatory picks, grab a kicker and punter to battle with Conley and Folk. Westhoff says this draft is really deep amongst all the special teams positions.

Sanchez is our QB for at least the next 2 seasons - accept it and move on. If our draft went Upshaw - Toon - Iloka, I would be ecstatic.

[Da-Phins]

Jets fans I have come in peace. It seems that the Dolphins have signed Jamaal Westerman. What are the opinions about him on this board and why didnt you guys tender him?

[Hurricanes25]

Jets fans I have come in peace. It seams that the Dolphins have signed Jamaal Westerman. What are the opinions about him on this board and why didnt you guys tender him?

Not good against the run and a decent pass rusher at best.

[Nebkreb]

Jets fans I have come in peace. It seems that the Dolphins have signed Jamaal Westerman. What are the opinions about him on this board and why didnt you guys tender him?

Rex's pet project out of Rutgers. Showed flashes of pass-rushing but not able to do it consistently. Not a great mental player, can overpursue, etc.

[derza222]

Westerman's a good backup player. Smart, relatively versatile, plays special teams well. They tried to teach him both ILB and OLB pretty early on. Doesn't set the edge all that well as a 3-4 OLB and wasn't a great pass rusher, so he was kind of expendable. For the roll he fills, he's a solid player. Jets have Maybin as one backup OLB and will presumably draft another, so he was expendable.

I have to say I've been pleasantly surprised with how the Jets have handled the cap space they have this offseason. Looks like there's still about 11 million in room to spend (assuming around 2 million goes to rookies), plus potentially another 2 million if they bring in a couple of safeties and Smith gets cut.

The Pouha deal was excellent, seems like it's essentially a 2 year deal for the Jets though they can get out of it after 1 for some dead money and essentially have an option for a third year. Not a huge cap hit this year and they needed him back for at least another season or two. Gives Ellis some time to develop and hopefully in 2 years he's ready to take over, I really like what I've seen.

Was pretty happy with the Thomas re-signing as well, comes a lot cheaper than a guy like Jarrett Johnson would have and doesn't really add much to the cap (think it was like 150k to have him over whoever the lowest of the top 50 salaries was). Veterans minimum deal, seems like he's getting healthy, knows the defense, versatile, and was very much missed last year after his injury. If healthy he's a good stopgap, doesn't prevent the team from drafting an OLB at any point. Plus he's a good locker room guy and really wanted to be a Jet, his quotes about wanting to stick around as soon as he was told they wanted him back and coming back basically immediately on pretty much a veterans minimum deal were awesome. Nice to have somebody who wants to be on the team.

Lots of guys coming in today and tomorrow. Nelson would be a solid signing with how weak the safety market is and I think he's a fit for what's needed, don't think either Quinn or Stanton does much as a backup QB so I'd just rather whoever's cheapest. Schillens is an alright WR although I'd be concerned about starting him, would rather bring in Cotchery and draft somebody big and fast. If they bring in Schillens and that's it I think it's a sign they want to draft a guy or potentially sign Edwards when he can work out after the draft. Then Landry's coming in this weekend, he and Nelson would be an interesting pairing and I think they could afford it. Bring in Anthony Collins or maybe Vernon Carey on a reasonable deal to play RT along with a bunch of the other guys they bring in and I think that caps a solid if not splashy offseason. Leaves a bunch of options heading into the draft, too.

[derza222]

So they signed Stanton (1 year, $1.25 million) and Schilens. Probably a bit more than I would have liked to give a completely non-threat backup QB, but I guess it's not the worst thing. Slightly concerned they think Schilens will start, but I bet it makes WR a bit more likely.

By the way for the record, I wonder if Stephen Hill is a sleeper option at 16. Jets need a big receiver who can get vertical and also run block. Be a part of some of those "chunk plays" Sparano wants to find, force some safety attention so Holmes has a little more freedom on the other side, and block in a run oriented offense...His strengths fit exactly what's needed, he doesn't have to be a monster early on, has a ton of upside, and should be on the board at 16. I'm not saying I would like them to do it, but it does make sense. Particularly if Schilens is the de facto #2 heading into the draft. He fits almost to a T.

[JETS5128]

The way our off-season is going right now it looks like were gonna be set up to just take BPA at 16. whether its richardson falling, one of the pass-rushers of someone like Hill theres no doubt were gonna be able to nab a very talented player

Now just hoping we sign Landry or Nelson. Nelson visited today and left without a contract Landry comes in tomorrow

[derza222]

The way our off-season is going right now it looks like were gonna be set up to just take BPA at 16. whether its richardson falling, one of the pass-rushers of someone like Hill theres no doubt were gonna be able to nab a very talented player

Now just hoping we sign Landry or Nelson. Nelson visited today and left without a contract Landry comes in tomorrow

Thought Nelson stayed over into today? I kind of hope they sign both.

Don't think Hill would be BPA, I just think he's a really solid fit for what's needed at the #2 WR spot and I'd imagine the FO sees the same thing.

Richardson would be awesome, don't think it's realistic I really hope he slips. Bring in a real RT and Richardson and get back to running the ball well. He'd actually catch Sanchez's checkdowns too which would be nice for a change of pace.

[YotoJets007]

So they signed Stanton (1 year, $1.25 million) and Schilens. Probably a bit more than I would have liked to give a completely non-threat backup QB, but I guess it's not the worst thing. Slightly concerned they think Schilens will start, but I bet it makes WR a bit more likely.

By the way for the record, I wonder if Stephen Hill is a sleeper option at 16. Jets need a big receiver who can get vertical and also run block. Be a part of some of those "chunk plays" Sparano wants to find, force some safety attention so Holmes has a little more freedom on the other side, and block in a run oriented offense...His strengths fit exactly what's needed, he doesn't have to be a monster early on, has a ton of upside, and should be on the board at 16. I'm not saying I would like them to do it, but it does make sense. Particularly if Schilens is the de facto #2 heading into the draft. He fits almost to a T.

Stanton is a good signing. He vastly upgrades to Brunnel in athleticism, age and salary. I want a quarterback that will start in place of Sanchez if Sanchez struggles but it is unlikely.

Schilens was supposed to be a big steal if he polished his skill set but his injury and development failure hold him down. I doubt that Jets wont draft WR that high just because of him. I don't like Jets drafting a raw prospects that high. Jets' ability to polish prospects' rawness is unimpressive. Jets should go after prospects who can actually play football as I prefer Jets overdraft Branch instead of Hill at 16th if there is no BPA to fit in Jets' system.

[YotoJets007]

Thought Nelson stayed over into today? I kind of hope they sign both.

Don't think Hill would be BPA, I just think he's a really solid fit for what's needed at the #2 WR spot and I'd imagine the FO sees the same thing.

Richardson would be awesome, don't think it's realistic I really hope he slips. Bring in a real RT and Richardson and get back to running the ball well. He'd actually catch Sanchez's checkdowns too which would be nice for a change of pace.


Sparano rarely sends RB downfield. Keller will remain his security blanket. It would be greatly amazing if Sanchez is able to adapt anything.

I can see Richardson fall to either Jets or Chiefs at worst but I am not sure if I am comfortable with taking a RB in the first round since it is ground an pound offense which will wear RB down rapidly. We will see.

[derza222]

Sparano rarely sends RB downfield. Keller will remain his security blanket. It would be greatly amazing if Sanchez is able to adapt anything.

I can see Richardson fall to either Jets or Chiefs at worst but I am not sure if I am comfortable with taking a RB in the first round since it is ground an pound offense which will wear RB down rapidly. We will see.

Not necessarily as a security blanket, but Sanchez does check down to the backs from time to time. I'm sure they'd use Richardson's receiving skills if they had him. Bush had plenty of catches last year, including some big games early in the year.

The concern about wearing him down does make sense, but if they can get him touches both rushing and receiving and mix other players in (Greene, McKnight) it could be fine. Not likely he's on the board anyway.

Read something from Cimini today about Rex really wanting to bring in a pass rusher, which would be nice. Mentioned Upshaw, Ingram, and Branch.

[JETS5128]

Speaking of Pass rushers someone I think would really thrive with us is Mark Anderson. He's most likely gonna be out of our price range tho if we sign one of the safeties. IMO it is a better idea to draft a rusher there are alot of good ones this year. I'd be ecstatic with either Ingram or Upshaw and if Rex believes in Branch Im all for that too.

On another note I really hope we sign both Landry and Nelson. They are both more talented and athletic than any safety we have had in the Rex Ryan era and they are both very versatile as well(especially Landry). I think today is gonna be pretty telling seeing as how Landry is visiting and he has other visits planned affter us. I dont like our chances if he leaves our building without a contract

[YotoJets007]

Not necessarily as a security blanket, but Sanchez does check down to the backs from time to time. I'm sure they'd use Richardson's receiving skills if they had him. Bush had plenty of catches last year, including some big games early in the year.

The concern about wearing him down does make sense, but if they can get him touches both rushing and receiving and mix other players in (Greene, McKnight) it could be fine. Not likely he's on the board anyway.

Read something from Cimini today about Rex really wanting to bring in a pass rusher, which would be nice. Mentioned Upshaw, Ingram, and Branch.


If 30-45 catches a season is plenty, so be it. If Jets plan to mix with Greene and McKnight then Jets should stay away any RB for 1st round. Turbin or Polk should do the trick.


I am all for Branch but when the last time a pass rusher of ACC has a productive career in NFL?

[YotoJets007]

Speaking of Pass rushers someone I think would really thrive with us is Mark Anderson. He's most likely gonna be out of our price range tho if we sign one of the safeties. IMO it is a better idea to draft a rusher there are alot of good ones this year. I'd be ecstatic with either Ingram or Upshaw and if Rex believes in Branch Im all for that too.

On another note I really hope we sign both Landry and Nelson. They are both more talented and athletic than any safety we have had in the Rex Ryan era and they are both very versatile as well(especially Landry). I think today is gonna be pretty telling seeing as how Landry is visiting and he has other visits planned affter us. I dont like our chances if he leaves our building without a contract


Drafting pass rusher is definitely the way to do.

I am not sure about Landry because he refused to have surgery on his knee for 3 years and has tried alternative medical treatments during that span. Right now, we have no idea whether or not he will play football again. Signing him at minimum is likely which I have no objection.


I forget about Nelson.

FS plans.

Nelson.
Atogwe.
Grant.
Leonhard.
whoever is rookie.

[AHungryWalrus]

SO Nelson signed with the Bengals, and is out.

Apparently we have now reached out to Atogwe but have not scheduled a visit, and multiple teams are interested in him. So that seems doubtful.

Cro tweeted that he wants to be played at FS, without seeming to realize that would emphasize his inability to tackle even more.

Who cursed us to be stuck with Eric Smith?

[YotoJets007]

I have no problem with Cro at FS because he is a good ballhawk DB. So far as tackling goes, Jets will have to rely on ILB and SS to cover bigger area which is almost impossible with anyone on Jets' roster. I hate solving a problem and creating a new problem process.

[YotoJets007]

Jets sign LaRon Landry a single year contract for 4m. wow. Hopefully, it is not a full guarantee.

PO topic, Gallery is with Patriots. Interesting.

[GET LOOSE]

I like the landry signing incredible athlete. Really hope his injury doesn't make this a bad signing

[Hurricanes25]

I'm more than happy with the Landry signing. Now we need to focus on FS. I like Atogwe but a lot of teams are in interested in him so I'm not sure if we'll get him. Really, I'll be fine with just about anybody other than Eric Smith.

[derza222]

Landry signing is pretty good, adds a lot of athleticism to the safety position. Not a ton of risk since it's a one year deal, and they had cap room to make the move. Wonder what happens with the other 6 million or so.

As for the FS spot, couple of interesting options but no slam dunk. I'd be alright with signing Atogwe/Leonhard, drafting a guy, and having a competition for the spot. Shouldn't be too expensive, and both guys are injury prone so an insurance policy is necessary even if it's a round 4, 5 type.

Another guy who gets lost in things a bit is Tracy Wilson. Believe he entered the supplemental draft and didn't get picked, so he probably would have been a mid-late round guy this year. Was on the active roster for the last 5 games of the season, knows the defense, almost like a draft pick this year. After a year learning the defense, if nobody solid is brought in I'd guess he'll get a chance to compete for some play time.

[YotoJets007]

We will know whether or not the Landry signing is solid until the end of this season.

Pro Football Week had Jets about 13m and some changes under the cap. After Landry signing and draft projection (roughly 4.5m). Jets will have only solid 3m left. That means Jets wont cut Bart Scott. Give or Take, of course.

3m is good for covering emergency or last minute trade during the season so I don't see Jets will sign any FA until they actually trade Scott away. Signing few June 1st victims is another possibility.

[GET LOOSE]

Atogwe would be a nice signing but i think its unlikely. Id be more then happy to bring back Leonard and draft a safty to possible get some playing time. Im more worried about wr and lb now that we at least have landry who i have high hopes for

[derza222]

We will know whether or not the Landry signing is solid until the end of this season.

Pro Football Week had Jets about 13m and some changes under the cap. After Landry signing and draft projection (roughly 4.5m). Jets will have only solid 3m left. That means Jets wont cut Bart Scott. Give or Take, of course.

3m is good for covering emergency or last minute trade during the season so I don't see Jets will sign any FA until they actually trade Scott away. Signing few June 1st victims is another possibility.

Fair on knowing how the Landry signing is at the end of the season. Since it's fun to speculate now anyway though, at least it's not a long-term deal or a huge money contract. Floor is probably just Eric Smith getting playing time again.

Not sure if you've ever visited NYJetsCap, but the guy there does a pretty good job breaking down cap numbers. He had about 12m in room after the Stanton/Schilens/O'Dowd signings. Take away 4m for Landry that puts it at 8m, and then rookies should only be roughly 2m because you have to take into account that they're replacing minimum salary players. Total salary for them is around 4.5m like you said, but they'll only increase the cap by about 2m. So I think there's actually around 6m in cap room, which does leave a little wiggle room.

[YotoJets007]

Yeah, I am aware of nyjetscap.


Joe Montana= Mark Sanchez.
Steve Young= Tim Tebow.


Is that what Jets have portrayed? :loco:


I looked around draft prospects. Oh boy! this year's draft class is not good for Jets' needs.

My projection for Jets' 7 round picks.

1. OLB Andre Branch, Clemson ....
2. ILB Keenan Robinson, Texas....
3. OT Donald Stephenson, Oklahoma....
4. WR Juron Criner, Arizona.
5. FS Aaron Henry, Wisconsin.
6. OLB Jacquies Smith, Missouri....
7. QB Dominique Davis, East Carolina....

Although the defense is solid, it is not locked for 3 years plan so that is why I would like to bolster LB depth now with those kind of talents. S and CB depth will fill out by June 1st cut or UDFA for now.

The offense sounds badly but they still have a starting OL back with young developmental players like Schlaudaff and O'Dowd. Donald Stephenson has athleticism to play LT if necessary in next 4 years. Davis is a promising QB with wildcat skill for Sparano to play stupidly wildcat offense.

[YotoJets007]

Pffttt.. my draft projection is worthless. I am sick to stomach. I don't know what to say. :facepalm:

[GET LOOSE]

I honestly dont know how i feel about trading for tebow. Ive been trying to look at the bright side and how well saprano would use him but i cant help but feel hopeless and think are we really that desperate

[GET LOOSE]

Oh yea btw atogwe left detroit without a contract but he does favor them. Hopefully we make a move on him id love to pair him and laron back there thats a sick secondary if they all stay healthy

[Nebkreb]

Regardless of what you think of Tebow, this whole day has shown how chaotic and reactionary the Jets front office is. No long-term plan, no patience. Everything is to grab the back pages away from the New York Giants. Meanwhile, our locker room is getting more divided everyday, our quarterback not only is average at best on the field, but is roundly talked about as if he is a 13-year-old girl that will cry when her boyfriend looks at another girl.

Good franchises have a long-term plan, with backup plans, and try to maximize value wherever they can. The Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Packers all do this. They have an identity that is unwaverable. The Patriots are Belichick - you do it his way or you're gone. It works because Brady buys in to it and they win. The Giants are built around Eli Manning, and a defense that thrives on pressure and sacks.

What identity do the Jets have? A loudmouth Rex (and I'm a fan of his), a quarterback with self-esteem issues and a defense that, by the end of the season is exhausted, injury-riddled and fed up with watching their offense go 3-and-out.

[YotoJets007]

Regardless of what you think of Tebow, this whole day has shown how chaotic and reactionary the Jets front office is. No long-term plan, no patience. Everything is to grab the back pages away from the New York Giants. Meanwhile, our locker room is getting more divided everyday, our quarterback not only is average at best on the field, but is roundly talked about as if he is a 13-year-old girl that will cry when her boyfriend looks at another girl.

Good franchises have a long-term plan, with backup plans, and try to maximize value wherever they can. The Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Packers all do this. They have an identity that is unwaverable. The Patriots are Belichick - you do it his way or you're gone. It works because Brady buys in to it and they win. The Giants are built around Eli Manning, and a defense that thrives on pressure and sacks.

What identity do the Jets have? A loudmouth Rex (and I'm a fan of his), a quarterback with self-esteem issues and a defense that, by the end of the season is exhausted, injury-riddled and fed up with watching their offense go 3-and-out.



Yup... that is what Tanny is all about for Jets. Super Bowl team not developmental team.

[Trojanback02]

Regardless of what you think of Tebow, this whole day has shown how chaotic and reactionary the Jets front office is. No long-term plan, no patience. Everything is to grab the back pages away from the New York Giants. Meanwhile, our locker room is getting more divided everyday, our quarterback not only is average at best on the field, but is roundly talked about as if he is a 13-year-old girl that will cry when her boyfriend looks at another girl.

Good franchises have a long-term plan, with backup plans, and try to maximize value wherever they can. The Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Packers all do this. They have an identity that is unwaverable. The Patriots are Belichick - you do it his way or you're gone. It works because Brady buys in to it and they win. The Giants are built around Eli Manning, and a defense that thrives on pressure and sacks.

What identity do the Jets have? A loudmouth Rex (and I'm a fan of his), a quarterback with self-esteem issues and a defense that, by the end of the season is exhausted, injury-riddled and fed up with watching their offense go 3-and-out.

Yea tannenbaum is terrible, constantly ignores the draft trying to find a 'get rich quick' fix to improve this team, but in reality all he's been doing is throwing sh*t at the wall to see if it sticks.

[GET LOOSE]

I ******* knew we were going to end up paying half of that owed money. This is probably only going to get sanchez even more rattled but i really hope it works out for us

[JETS5128]

I might be alone with this but i heavily approve of the Tebow trade. Entering the off-season, didn't we all agree that we needed a QB to push Sanchez and compete with him? Well we literally just got the best possible guy to do that. Timmy will bust his ass every single day in practice, in the film room, etc. to try and earn that starting job. Having someone who works that hard will rub off not only on Marky but the rest of the team as well.

Secondly, we just got the 2nd best short yardage/goalline back in the league (second only to Cam). The jumbo QB draw gains at least 2 yards 95% of the time cuz it's basically impossible to stop. And the first time we come out in the Tebowcat on 4th an inches at midfield and hit Keller 40 yards downfield is gonna be awesome too.

For all the media attention this move is gonna get, I dont see it as a very high risk move. He's gonna see the field 5-10 snaps a game max. He's gonna push Sanchez to be the best possible QB he can be. Where is the downside?

[YotoJets007]

I might be alone with this but i heavily approve of the Tebow trade. Entering the off-season, didn't we all agree that we needed a QB to push Sanchez and compete with him? Well we literally just got the best possible guy to do that. Timmy will bust his ass every single day in practice, in the film room, etc. to try and earn that starting job. Having someone who works that hard will rub off not only on Marky but the rest of the team as well.

Secondly, we just got the 2nd best short yardage/goalline back in the league (second only to Cam). The jumbo QB draw gains at least 2 yards 95% of the time cuz it's basically impossible to stop. And the first time we come out in the Tebowcat on 4th an inches at midfield and hit Keller 40 yards downfield is gonna be awesome too.

For all the media attention this move is gonna get, I dont see it as a very high risk move. He's gonna see the field 5-10 snaps a game max. He's gonna push Sanchez to be the best possible QB he can be. Where is the downside?


First two years under Rex Ryan were finished one game away from Super Bowl with this kind of pound and ground offense with wildcat package. Last year without Brad Smith, Ryan wanted to change the offense to vertical offense. Once it was failed, Jets could not revert to ground and pound offense without Brad Smith's wildcat.

This year, Ryan knows only ground and pound offense with wildcat package will put Jets back to Super Bowl contender. Tebow is vastly upgraded to Brad Smith without a doubt. Even though I absolutely hate wildcat package, I can see why Jets being aggressive on Tebow.


Inside the franchise, Tebow wont replace Sanchez if Sanchez struggles because the offense will rely heavily on the run game as it will take off some pressure on Sanchez. Unfortunately, media and fans will avert it if Jets are not winning. I am curious how strong Ryan's head will be during the season.


I dont see any downside on having Tebow, indeed.

[Trojanback02]

Well the big downside to tebow and my biggest fear is what happens when mark is clearly not the answer at qb anymore ( I still think he can be a very good but not great) does the coaching staff front office move foward with tebow, or do we look for another qb.

If tebow does eventually get starts if mark is under performing, I fear the fact he will pull in a small winning streak giving false hope that he can be a franchise qb. I don't want to be stuck in a situation for years when we go back and forth with tebow instead of trying to target a real franchise qb.

He is still young, but seeing him last year I dont have much hope that he can turn into a franchise signal caller.

and yes, hopefully competition will bring the best out of mark, and I'm excited it's tebow because there probably isn't a better backup in the league for this job.

[YotoJets007]

Well the big downside to tebow and my biggest fear is what happens when mark is clearly not the answer at qb anymore ( I still think he can be a very good but not great) does the coaching staff front office move foward with tebow, or do we look for another qb.

If tebow does eventually get starts if mark is under performing, I fear the fact he will pull in a small winning streak giving false hope that he can be a franchise qb. I don't want to be stuck in a situation for years when we go back and forth with tebow instead of trying to target a real franchise qb.

He is still young, but seeing him last year I dont have much hope that he can turn into a franchise signal caller.

and yes, hopefully competition will bring the best out of mark, and I'm excited it's tebow because there probably isn't a better backup in the league for this job.


I believe both Sanchez and Tebow are good for two years and Jets envision McElroy as a quarterback of the future. That means we wont sign or draft a QB until after 2013 season. Ryan may have 2 more seasons to coach as well.

[JETS5128]

Well the big downside to tebow and my biggest fear is what happens when mark is clearly not the answer at qb anymore ( I still think he can be a very good but not great) does the coaching staff front office move foward with tebow, or do we look for another qb.

If tebow does eventually get starts if mark is under performing, I fear the fact he will pull in a small winning streak giving false hope that he can be a franchise qb. I don't want to be stuck in a situation for years when we go back and forth with tebow instead of trying to target a real franchise qb.

He is still young, but seeing him last year I dont have much hope that he can turn into a franchise signal caller.

and yes, hopefully competition will bring the best out of mark, and I'm excited it's tebow because there probably isn't a better backup in the league for this job.

This move was not made to make Tebow the franchise QB, he is going to be a situational player

[villagewarrior]

In the mock I am writing I have the Jets taking Riley Reiff. What do you guys think about that? Is that a need position? Think its realistic? Who is atop your wish lists?

[YotoJets007]

Reiff is terrible at run blocking and Jets are committed to the running on ground so it has to be a terrible pick. Jets already have Ferguson at LT and RT is still up in the air with Hunter and Ducasse. I am not sure if Jets will waste 1st round pick on RT.

Pass rusher and WR are more logical for Jets' first round pick. If you plan to have Jets chase rookies for starting jobs then OLB, WR and FS are a good start.

[YotoJets007]

Not a bad combo trades by Jets.

Jets lose 4th round and lower 6th round picks.
Jets get Tebow, higher 6th and 7th round picks.

Prior to obtaining several compensatory selections without the Lowery finalized trade, Jets will have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 7th.

[YotoJets007]

Not a bad combo trades by Jets.

Jets lose 4th round and lower 6th round picks.
Jets get Tebow, higher 6th and 7th round picks.

Prior to obtaining several compensatory selections without the Lowery finalized trade, Jets will have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 7th.


Wow, I did not see that. Jets got merely 7lth round pick from Jaguars for Lowery? That is laughable. Anyways, that pick goes with Stanton to Colts.

[RaiderNation]

Reiff is terrible at run blocking

I stopped reading after that. Reiff might be the best run blocking OT in the draft, very strong at the point of attack and rarely gets pushed back. I agree RT isn't a likely option at 16, Michael Floyd/Stephen Hill or a pass rusher make the most sense.

[YotoJets007]

I stopped reading after that. Reiff might be the best run blocking OT in the draft, very strong at the point of attack and rarely gets pushed back. I agree RT isn't a likely option at 16, Michael Floyd/Stephen Hill or a pass rusher make the most sense.


ZBS run blocker, sure. Power mauler, he is not.

[Nebkreb]

Compensatory picks:
Jets got 2 6s and 2 7s. Comp picks cannot be traded, but they do free up your team to trade their own picks and still have a choice in the round. Rumors are Jets might target some special teams aces with these picks, possibly including a kicker and punter.

[YotoJets007]

4 comp picks in last 2 rounds mean Jets could afford to burn picks to trade up for starting jobs in OLB, WR, FS and maybe TE without losing some depth.

I doubt Jets will ever draft P or K ( they still heart Folk) but with those 3 7th round picks they could land a much strong legged punter.