New York Jets Discussion

['cuse-213]

Did you guys hear about Brad Smith back at QB? Mangini referred to him as a QB whos plays reciever. And that he will compete for the backup position. It looks as though Clemens isnt progressing as well as we all hoped.

[AlexDown]

I did not hear that. That, can't be good. For Clemens at least...

[derza222]

Although this could cause problems for Clemens, I think this move has some serious upside to it. At the very least, he's a nice third quarterback to have on the team, and if he develops he's a great backup for the future. Although with his natural abilities I would like to watch him develop as a WR, he is a talented QB as well and I don't think this move will change his role on the team much. He just won't develop as much at the receiver spot. On the bright side, I think either this year or next he'll be the third QB and save us a roster spot. It also makes it easier for Pellot-Rosa to make the team as a 5th WR even if J-Mac doesn't get dealt or cut. So we light a fire under Clemens, save a roster spot this year or next, and Pellot-Rosa has a better shot of making the team (both because Smith is a QB and there's an extra roster spot). At least the way I see it, there are some bright spots here.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Pro Bowl Candidates:

Mangold - As was stated earlier, he was most impressive in his rookie season, making the line calls and playing tough and good position blocking. He didn't let people get by him and carried himself as a veteran on and off the field. I see no where but up for this young and bright individual. A pro bowl this season isn't out of the question, and i'd put him a lock for next season at the latest.

Vilma - He has the ability, but its obvious to everyone here and everywhere else that this defense doesn't cater to his natural abilities. With that said, he has the smarts and enthusiasm to work his ass of to make himself into the best player he can be, and there has been no sign of him sulking about his role, rather embracing it. He is a team leader, making the defensive calls, on top of having all his natural talents that in many defenses would make him a pro bowl lock. He's to hoping for the best, i have nothing but faith.

Kerry Rhodes - I honestly believe he has a top chance at making it. Although i'm not sure he'll put up the godly numbers he did last year, and he may have some good competition, he has the skills to do it. Just finishing his 2nd season, he has done nothign but impress in his first 2 years, leaving people with a feeling of optimism with regards to what could potentially be one of the top 5 safteies in the league for a long time. With Lynch, slowly but surely, getting lower and lower on the pro bowl list, there should be an extra spot to fill. There is competition however, with Sean Jones moving up, Chris Hope's continued solid play, Troy P, and Whitner,and of course Ed Reed among others. Here's to some good competition.

Doubtfuls:
Thomas Jones -Hey, he's been a solid back for a few years now and should do solid in the system, but do i see him making the pro bowl? nope. There is such competition in the AFC for those RB positions, LT is a lock, LJ is holding out but if he plays he gets votes, then u have a slew of other guys looking to break-out; Moroney, Ronnie, Henry, Addai, Willis, Rudi, etc. and with Leon Washington getting carries, i think its nothing more than a hope and a dream.

Cotchery - although solid last year, and only getting better i assume, i'm just not sure if he can make it do to name recognition (and numbers) in the AFC. Chad, Marv, Wayne, TJ, Moss, Evans, Andre, Javon, the list goes on with up and comers alike. It would take something big.

Pennington - need i say more than Manning, Brady, Palmer?? nope

Bryan Thomas - sleeper pick, thats forsure. he played solid last year, and the defense seems to help him with the type of abilities he brings to the table. but he'd have to have a season that brought attention to himself to beat out some of the regulars, and name recognition guys (ala Joey Porter).

D'Brick - hey, u never know, it could happen, but he needs to improve a little on last year. His run blocking was always the questionable part of his game, and it was his pass blocking that was the major strength. He's goin to have to improve in both in order to make it to his first pro bowl, regardless of how solid he was last year.

just my two cents, feel free to agree, disagree, or comment on any

[AlexDown]

I agree with Mangold and Rhodes.

What about Justin Miller?

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

whoops. ya, thats my fault i forgot about him. he would have been in the top group, unless Ginn can come in and do what he's supposed to........but until proven to be better, i'd say Miller is in.

[throwback54milkman]

I was at training camp today, here are a few things that I noticed:
-In my opinion the star of the day had to go to Thomas Jones, he looked so smooth and quick on all of his runs
-D'Brick was not great, he got beat once or twice and was called on a false start, in which he had to run a lap
-Chad didn' tdo anything overly impressive- but I was impressed by Clemens
-David Harris was who I kept my eye on all day- he was with the first team all the time and when he was not making plays Vilma was teaching him- they are a great tandom
-Also Neon Leon was absent from TC

A few stories:
-I got autographs from Cotch, Ben Graham, Brad Smith, Wallace Wright, and Jesse Pellot-Rosa: all of them were really nice, cool guys- I actually had a 5 minute convo with Jesse after practice about VCU and the duke game and Eric Manyard- he is really cool, I hope he makes the team.
-When Mangini blasts the music it adds a great touch to practice and it is fun for the fans- my favorite was when he'd go right from like a really gangster rap song to a Beethoven classical song and then back to rock or simulated crowd noise

This was my first time going to training camp and I had an unbelieveable time, for all of you who live in the area, I urge you to go- it's great and the team looks even better- I am so optimistic!!!

[Gridiron]

I went today, too. I've got a ****-load of pictures if anybody would like to see.

['cuse-213]

I was at training camp today, here are a few things that I noticed:
-In my opinion the star of the day had to go to Thomas Jones, he looked so smooth and quick on all of his runs
-D'Brick was not great, he got beat once or twice and was called on a false start, in which he had to run a lap
-Chad didn' tdo anything overly impressive- but I was impressed by Clemens
-David Harris was who I kept my eye on all day- he was with the first team all the time and when he was not making plays Vilma was teaching him- they are a great tandom
-Also Neon Leon was absent from TC

A few stories:
-I got autographs from Cotch, Ben Graham, Brad Smith, Wallace Wright, and Jesse Pellot-Rosa: all of them were really nice, cool guys- I actually had a 5 minute convo with Jesse after practice about VCU and the duke game and Eric Manyard- he is really cool, I hope he makes the team.
-When Mangini blasts the music it adds a great touch to practice and it is fun for the fans- my favorite was when he'd go right from like a really gangster rap song to a Beethoven classical song and then back to rock or simulated crowd noise

This was my first time going to training camp and I had an unbelieveable time, for all of you who live in the area, I urge you to go- it's great and the team looks even better- I am so optimistic!!!

I heard he was doing terrible. Good to hear about Harris. and good writeup.

[AlexDown]

I went today, too. I've got a ****-load of pictures if anybody would like to see.

Post them!

I live about 30 minutes away and I never go. I really should.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

lots of optimistic points there, except for DBrick, but i don't feel he will be a huge concern. suprised by it, but not overly worried.

please post those write-ups whenever u can, they are very interesting and give goot insight

thanks

[derza222]

Hearing about Harris and Vilma is exciting, they should be an unbelievable tandem and really give our defense something special. That pick just seems better and better the more that I find out about him and the more I think about it. Thanks for the post, it was cool to hear all of that. Also, nice to hear Pellot-Rosa is such a cool guy, he's the guy I'm rooting for more than almost anyone to make the team, as I think a lot of other Jets fans are.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

i'm rooting for Wadsworth to play also.....i think that would be a feel good story and possibly be a motivational point for the team

[Gridiron]

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I'VE GOT A LOT MORE (maybe 100). IF YOU HAVE ANY REQUESTS, I'LL SEE IF I HAVE IT.

[derza222]

i'm rooting for Wadsworth to play also.....i think that would be a feel good story and possibly be a motivational point for the team

Very true, that's a good point. I'm also kind of rooting for Danny Ware to make the team as the 3rd RB after Houston left. He got stuck in a bad situation at Georgia and has talent, plus he's got great size and could develop into a big back that we could use. Seems like he's been having a little trouble thus far though from writeups I've seen, so unless he turns it around he might be a long shot.

[Gridiron]

I've got a nice little video of Danny Ware getting demolished by Cody Spencer.

[throwback54milkman]

I've got a nice little video of Danny Ware getting demolished by Cody Spencer.


I saw that at training camp saturday- it was sick!!

[Gridiron]

Should I post the video?

['cuse-213]

Very true, that's a good point. I'm also kind of rooting for Danny Ware to make the team as the 3rd RB after Houston left. He got stuck in a bad situation at Georgia and has talent, plus he's got great size and could develop into a big back that we could use. Seems like he's been having a little trouble thus far though from writeups I've seen, so unless he turns it around he might be a long shot.

Besides Ware getting smacked up a couple times, I hear hes doing pretty well. I would be surprised if he doesnt make the team.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Should I post the video?

go for it. i'm always in for a big hit

[derza222]

Besides Ware getting smacked up a couple times, I hear hes doing pretty well. I would be surprised if he doesnt make the team.

I've heard some things about drops and fumbles as well, which can't be good. I have heard some good things as well though. Hopefully the vibe I was getting from those writeups was wrong and he makes the team, I hope he does. He, Pellot-Rosa, and Wadsworth are the three bubble guys I'd really like to see make it.

[Gridiron]

http://media.putfile.com/Jets-Training-Camp---One-on-Ones---728

[ncstateviking]

DAMN. that was a sweet hit.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

haha, wow babby. man, i wish i could be watching that stuff live.

['cuse-213]

It wont load for me.

[Gridiron]

Yeah, sorry about that. It's a really big file (I don't know why, it's only 2 minutes), so it's gonna take a while.

I'll try to make it smaller later. In the meantime, check out this nice play:

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D'Brick was up against Kenyon Coleman and Adrian Clarke was on David Harris.

[Man_Of_Steel]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Thought this may interest you guys, if you scroll down theres an article on Revis and the possibility of re-entering the draft in 08.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

that doesn't really worry me to much. to be honest, if the Jets are unwilling to just do the 5 year contract they don't deserve him. I find it hard to believe that this will actually happen.........sux that this issue has to be with the Jets though, and not the steelers or something :P

[Gridiron]

It's all speculation derived by his family history. That's it.

[hcbrad08]

I just read an article about gilberts holdout by john clayton and he said Gilbert had personal issues and was not a character guy like revis he partied and was holding out for way less money than Revis will be commanding...And according to the post Revis will sign he wont sit out but they might have to agree on a 5 year deal with a team option for a 6th or a 6 year deal with negotiations after 5 if easily met playing incentives are reached. Keeps it interesting I guess,
one of these two has to happen soon we need him in camp and as effective as possible.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

ya, the sooner the better. get him in camp so that he is ready for 5 years, rather than signed for 6 but severly delayed this year, making it essentially a 5 year contract anyways......

[ironman4579]

An article I found on David Harris and Vilma.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjextra015315520aug01,0,3686212.story?track=rss

['cuse-213]

An article I found on David Harris and Vilma.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjextra015315520aug01,0,3686212.story?track=rss

Thanks, good read. good to hear that Harris is fitting in well.

[AlexDown]

Do you guys think Darrelle Revis is going to be getting a lot of time returning punts this season?

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

right now i just want him to get in camp. this is going on longer than i would have liked. enough is enough.

what is the real problem. i mean what is the underlying thing that is making the 5 year vs 6 year discussions such a problem? anyone got any insight? does it have to do with capspace down the line?? anything would be nice.

['cuse-213]

right now i just want him to get in camp. this is going on longer than i would have liked. enough is enough.

what is the real problem. i mean what is the underlying thing that is making the 5 year vs 6 year discussions such a problem? anyone got any insight? does it have to do with capspace down the line?? anything would be nice.

One thing I can think of, is that Brick signed a 6 year last year, which would mean they both become FA at the same time. Which could possibly kill us at that time. Either letting them both go, or signing them both(capwise). It could be more then Brick, maybe a couple players are signed through that same year.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

Where exactly is training camp this year? Have they moved it? I went to the first ever practice at the Meadowlands last year, but I wanna go again this year when there aren't as many people.

[derza222]

Revis and Brick being FA's at the same time does make sense as to why we want a 6 year deal. The paper keeps saying it's more cap friendly as well.

The Jets training camp is in Hempstead, NY on the Hofstra campus. I'm pretty sure you can look up the schedule as well has how to get there via the NYJ website.

[ncstateviking]

calvin johnson just signed a 6 year deal. i dont know if this will make revis easier to sign, or just make our FO more stubborn. i am not liking this situation at all though.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

me either. i can't wait till he's in camp and its over with..........

['cuse-213]

I hear Miller is stepping up though. We all know his athleticsm is nutty. If revis, dyson, or barret go down, Im actually gonna feel comfortable with Miller in this year.

[Gridiron]

Of the few times I went to training camp, he looked solid in man coverage, but bad in zone.

[Gridiron]

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[shavedaeyebrow2]

Revis and Brick being FA's at the same time does make sense as to why we want a 6 year deal. The paper keeps saying it's more cap friendly as well.

The Jets training camp is in Hempstead, NY on the Hofstra campus. I'm pretty sure you can look up the schedule as well has how to get there via the NYJ website.

Weren't they supposed to move the Training Camp to Florham Park soon? If so, I can go because its 40 minutes away from me!

[JETS5128]

Thoughts?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-07nflpreview_jets&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[AlexDown]

If we finish this year with 10 wins I will be extremely happy.

[derza222]

Weren't they supposed to move the Training Camp to Florham Park soon? If so, I can go because its 40 minutes away from me!

Yeah supposedly they will soon but it's still by the Hofstra campus now, I guess construction is still going down at Florham Park. I can't wait till they move it to Florham Park, it's like 15 minutes away from me. It seems like they'll be moving in not next camp but the camp after. Here's an article and a quote.

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/1438-concrete-progress-in-florham-park

"The project is slated to be completed in the fall of 2008. Business operations are expected to move in at that time, followed by football operations in the spring of 2009."

['cuse-213]

This is what it will look like. I love it, real sharp.

http://www.hunterrobertscg.com/images/nyjetsnewtrainingfacility_projects1.jpg

['cuse-213]

We signed Jerry Mackey today, ILB outta Syracuse.

Mackey was a defensive captain at Syracuse. I dont know if hell make the team or even contribute. But I always liked him as a player. Good character guy who I would love to cheer for with the Jets. Maybe on special teams or something. Hes the son, or nephew, not sure, of John Mackey. The old great TE.

[ncstateviking]

your post started with "we signed" and my mind automatically read "revis." im so disappointed right now.

['cuse-213]

lol, sorry.

[derza222]

Thought's on Scott's mock? Obviously it's tremendously early, but I like the pick. It depends a lot on how Bender progresses, but if he doesn't show that he's a starting caliber player that pick would help us on the way to a pretty nasty offensive line.

[Gridiron]

I like the pick, but I don't think we'll do it. I may sound like a ridiculous optimist, but I think Bender is going to be good for us, and I think the coaching staff feels the same way.

I wouldn't mind Jonathan Stewart or Chris Long.

['cuse-213]

Passing on Stewart that late would be a mistake IMO. obviously its too early to tell though.

[TimD]

what ever happened to lenord peters? the safety out of hawii i heard he was signed for a bit

['cuse-213]

what ever happened to lenord peters? the safety out of hawii i heard he was signed for a bit

Got cut. Slow safties who dont wrap up are a no no.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

congrats guys. keep up the good work. This is in regards to the Homer Fans thread. with all of us Jets fans around, its nice to know we all carry ourselves in a manner that people can't point us out as homers. we weren't even on the poll. keep it up.

[AlexDown]

Things will pick up in here once the season starts.

[JETS5128]

Things will pick up in here once the season starts.


hopefully....

['cuse-213]

hopefully....

really. I posted a picture of what our training camp will look like, and noone commented on it. I was flabergasted.

[TimD]

haha well i thought the training camp looked awesome....

happy?

[derza222]

I agree and I can't wait till we move there, I'll be going to TC almost constantly since it's so close to my house.

On a side note, I was watching a clip from the previous season, and I love our starting WR's. They go out, block, make plays, run after the catch, get vertical, make the tough grabs, play physical, and they're just great all around WR's. They're so fun to watch.

[BroadwayJoe10]

now brady quin has signed a 5 year deal, this is extremely annoying now that we don't have revis signed. ive been pretty quiet about it, and i understand why we don't want him to be a free agent the same time as D'brick and Chad. I know they don't wanna set precedent and completely rule out the 6 year deal, but the way i figure it if the guy is gonna be great anyways like they expect generally we could restructure after 3 years, even tho im pretty sure they dont restructure with years left on a contract. So that kind of annoys me, the other thing that annoys me is Revis; he should be flattered that the jets jumped so high to pick him, he knows we obviously want him and as a player he should jump in and say hey man i want to play ball. However, not many players are like that once money is involved. I dont see him sitting out a year becuase it would just do exactly what he doesnt want (gets less money the year after, if he gets the 5 year he becomes a free agent the same year) so basically just venting and saying im kind of annoyed at both parties here, but like keyshawn said when he sat out; he knew he could play, he didn't worry about it he knew is talent. but reciever is a bit different here than CB.

So does anyone know how close we are and if we got any closer with the contract talks?

[AlexDown]

At least the Jets now have cheer leaders....

[BroadwayJoe10]

haha there not even chearleaders theyre a flag crew..unless that means chearleader than im an idiot hah but ill trade them to sign revis

and on further news i just saw that espn named keith hernandez won best sports mustache..i think joe namaths fu man shu got robbed lol or possibly rawlly fingers

[Gridiron]

So does anyone know how close we are and if we got any closer with the contract talks?

Last I read they hadn't even talked in days.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Last I read they hadn't even talked in days.

that is just f'ing stupid. u have to be kidding me. the guy is really starting to piss me off and he hasn't even played a down. rookie contracts annoy me, holdouts annoy me, rookies who hold out (let alone on my team) REALLY ANNOY ME. he better do some big things when he's out there becuase i'm not to pleased

['cuse-213]

that is just f'ing stupid. u have to be kidding me. the guy is really starting to piss me off and he hasn't even played a down. rookie contracts annoy me, holdouts annoy me, rookies who hold out (let alone on my team) REALLY ANNOY ME. he better do some big things when he's out there becuase i'm not to pleased

1- Its not his decision to hold out. Its his agents. 2- Hes a rookie, who will not be making plays early on. He shouldnt even be starting with as much as he missed. 3- Its not "your team".

but read 1 again because whos ever getting mad at Revis for this is ********.

[JETS5128]

1- Its not his decision to hold out. Its his agents. 2- Hes a rookie, who will not be making plays early on. He shouldnt even be starting with as much as he missed. 3- Its not "your team".

but read 1 again because whos ever getting mad at Revis for this is ********.

True it's his agent encouraging the holdout, but Revis could easily just tell his agent to take the deal because he wants to be in camp. To act like Revis has no say in this is naive. He obviously wants the most money he can get, otherwise he would be in camp

['cuse-213]

True it's his agent encouraging the holdout, but Revis could easily just tell his agent to take the deal because he wants to be in camp. To act like Revis has no say in this is naive. He obviously wants the most money he can get, otherwise he would be in camp

Yes he has some say in it. But to say that that you hate Revis for it is ridiculous.

[JETS5128]

Yes he has some say in it. But to say that that you hate Revis for it is ridiculous.

i didn't say that...

[BroadwayJoe10]

i completely agree with vilma; 1..everyone, when talking about the team they root for all call them "their" team, and i dont know exactly understand why you have a problem with him calling it his team..2, rookies most definately have a say in whether the deal gets signed; granted it is not a large say, but if revis wanted to play, he would come out and say Just get me in there. 3..rookies definately can have a large role, why wouldn't he be able to make plays his first year?? granted he won't be getting the starting role, but he could definately have made some plays as a nickelback, and hopefully with a full grasp of the playbook under his belt he could make strides and hopefully take over the starting job in a few weeks into the season. but the longer he sits out the worse the chance of him being an impact player are. So yes, i fully agree where he is annoying me. Tannenbaum isn't annoying me so much, becuase he is worried about our team and the cap problem, considering who else is a free agent in 5 years. thats very important. i just would like them to get something done soon

[TimD]

rookies definately can have a large role, why wouldn't he be able to make plays his first year?? granted he won't be getting the starting role, but he could definately have made some plays as a nickelback, and hopefully with a full grasp of the playbook under his belt he could make strides and hopefully take over the starting job in a few weeks into the season.

yeah but sitting out is hurting his chances of being a starter... at least i've heard that j miller is looking pretty good so maybe he can step up

['cuse-213]

i didn't say that...

I know. everyone else is.

[BroadwayJoe10]

eric smith re injured his knee apparently?? not sure how serious it is, but they said he could be out for an extended period of time, which sucks because from everything that i have read he was looking like a stud and had the starting role pretty much locked down

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

by hate i mean annoy, its a fact that i'll love it when he's on the field and my frustration just shows how bad i want him out there. i'm not going to respond to all the things u said because i'd just repeat what BroadwayJoe said. Rookies do have a say, they can make plays, and yes, the jets are 'my team' (u knew what i mean, don't be an ass 'cuse)

['cuse-213]

by hate i mean annoy, its a fact that i'll love it when he's on the field and my frustration just shows how bad i want him out there. i'm not going to respond to all the things u said because i'd just repeat what BroadwayJoe said. Rookies do have a say, they can make plays, and yes, the jets are 'my team' (u knew what i mean, don't be an ass 'cuse)

The way you said it, it sounded awkward to me. I know, I use " us or my" all the time.

['cuse-213]

Preseason game tonight! cant find it on my cable, so im gonna have to go to my dads for NFL network.

[AlexDown]

It's kind of funny that I didn't even know about this. I really don't even like pre season games anyway but I will turn it on anyway. I would be interested to hear what your guys opinion on preseaon games.

Also after watching it, maybe shead some light on how you feel the team is progressing and who looks to be our starters for the opening game.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

ya, the game is on NFL Network tongith VS the Falcons. so pumped, got the night set for that. 11pm to 2am, perfect for a couple of beverages. CAN'T WAIT!! THE SEASON IS APPROACHING.

talk to u all later about it.

pray for an injury free game for the Jets

[AlexDown]

Isn't the game on at 7?

['cuse-213]

Isn't the game on at 7?

Yea but I cant find it anywhere. Its replaying on SNY at 10 pm eastern. Im gonna have to wait till then, and try not to hear any important details of the game.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

I went to the game today, pretty damn cold today.
From what I saw in the game, Thomas Jones looks pretty good, Leon looks improved from last year, David Harris is gunna be a star, Wallace Wright is still one of my favorite players and is an up and comer, Bender looked pretty good, we still need more of a pass rush, Chansi Stucki is amazing. haha, very good game all around. Clemens had nice stats but he didn't impress me that much. Many of his throws were underthrown, but he did look comfortable at the helm.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

game is on NFL Network right now, just checking it out.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

I was getting pissed that the Jets ran the ball about 10 straight times before throwing their first pass, which was a fake punt pass. I didn't stay to see how Wadsworth did so I have no comment on him, but Pouha impressed me a little bit as well.

[BroadwayJoe10]

yaa the only problems i had, besides not seeing chad throw a ball or coles and cotchery get in the game was i didn't see too much of a pass rush. I tell ya what tho, bender dominated jamaal anderson a couple times that i saw. The passes i saw that we let up, we had guys on them, however it was just a pretty good thrown ball and nice catch. Other than that, I would just like to see some increased pass rush. Although, i know for a fact mangini said that there are a lot of schemes that he won't run in preseason games becuae he plans on utilizing them in the first few games of the season. I would have to imagine that the defensive schemes we ran were just shells of the schemes we'd be running against the pats in week 1.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Is Pellot-Rosa still on board?

[derza222]

Yeah he's still around, haven't heard a thing about him so I'm not sure if he'll make the team, but if not I'd assume they'll invite him to be a part of the practice squad. But most if not all of us really want him to make the team and are excited about his potential.

[TimD]

What will our WRs be this year? Coles, Crotchery, and Smith are obviously going to make it... That leaves anywhere from 2 to 4 spots open... and these are the guys who i think have a legit chance at making it:
Tim Dwight (solid special teamer, was on the team last year, injury problems)
Chansi Stuckey (good preseason game, has been impressing coaches in camp)
Justin McCareins (has been with the team a bunch of seasons so far, has the raw ability, always disappoints)
Wallace Wright (one of the last cuts before the season last year, was brought up last year a few games on special teams, coaches say he's a hard worker)
Frisman Jackson (had a brilliant one handed grab, was on the browns for a few years, great size)

If i had to take a guess i'd say Dwight, Stuckey, McCareins, Wright... I wouldn't be surprised to see us carrying 7 WRs because Smith is also a backup QB...

[ncstateviking]

word is mccareins is out of manginis doghouse and is actually looking impressive. i take this as both bad news and good news seeing as i have grown to hate him. however, if his play were different i wouldnt hate him so...see how that goes.

[Jonathan_VIlma]

Yeah he's still around, haven't heard a thing about him so I'm not sure if he'll make the team, but if not I'd assume they'll invite him to be a part of the practice squad. But most if not all of us really want him to make the team and are excited about his potential.I believe Pellot-Rosa got cut today along with offensive lineman Andrew Wicker. I'm not sure about this potential though. I mean he seems decent but he doesn't have unreal size or speed, it's just cool that he's a converted basketball player.

[derza222]

I believe Pellot-Rosa got cut today along with offensive lineman Andrew Wicker. I'm not sure about this potential though. I mean he seems decent but he doesn't have unreal size or speed, it's just cool that he's a converted basketball player.

Yeah, I think I posted right before it happened. He does have very good height for a WR at 6'4, and good leaping ability as well. If he developed he could have been a good red zone threat that we've really been lacking, don't know what he would have done on the rest of the field though. As for the WR's we keep, Dwight is on the PUP so for now I'd say J-Mac, Stuckey, and either Wright or Jackson.

[TimD]

Yeah, I think I posted right before it happened. He does have very good height for a WR at 6'4, and good leaping ability as well. If he developed he could have been a good red zone threat that we've really been lacking, don't know what he would have done on the rest of the field though. As for the WR's we keep, Dwight is on the PUP so for now I'd say J-Mac, Stuckey, and either Wright or Jackson.

jackson is 6'3''-6'4'' right?

[shavedaeyebrow2]

Does anyone else really like Wallace Wright, or am I the only one? He is great on special teams, always gives his all, pretty decent WR, and seems like a pretty good guy.

[derza222]

Jackson is listed at 6'3 I believe. And I definitely like Wright, if Dwight doesn't play this season and we cut Tui I think there's a shot we keep both Wright and Jackson, but if not it is going to be tough to decide between the two for the 5th receiver spot.

[BroadwayJoe10]

So, we finally had some news; TJ got hurt, but appears not to serious and apparantly we started talking to revis' agents again, which is always a plus. Besides all that serious stuff, id like to go onto something of almost as equal importance... Madden '08 comes out tommorrow. For all those who want to see the ratings of the Jets follow here.. http://sports.ign.com/madden08/jets.html

now does anyone else wonder how the hell kimo merited an 80??? A few scores i was surprised by besides that was Mangold not being a 90, granted they gave him 89, but i still beleive he deserved to be a 90. TJ being an 88, not bad but still after last year and the playoffs i thought he could have been a 90. Willie parker got an 89, but not a big deal. Kerry got a 94, well deserved.

All i know, is that when i get the game i refuse to play revis until his ass is actually a member of the damn team. childish?? most likely. Justifiable?? most definately

[TimD]

Okay because i'm bored i'm making a list of different things i noticed

should be 90 - Thomas Jones rb, Nick Mangold c
should be 88 - Andre Dyson cb, Jerricho Cothery wr
should be 85 - Bryan Thomas olb, Victor Hobson olb
should be 80 - Justin Miller cb, Chris Baker te
should at least be 75 - Sean Ryan te, Brad Smith wr/qb, Sione Pouha nt, Brad Kassell ilb, Eric Smith s, Kenyon Coleman de

individual stats that should be raised - Chad Pennington's awareness (84), Leon Washington's speed (91) and acceleration (94)

why is he not on the roster - Stacey Tutt rb, James Dearth te or Jason Pociask te

and finally why is he still on the roster - Cedric Houston rb, Ed Blanton rt

any guesses on overall rankings? offense 87 defense 88 special teams 88 overall 88

[TimD]

haha and guys i'm creating if they are not free agents (i make them have reasonable stats haha)

Leonard Peters (SS out of Hawii... slow but is a truck... i'd love making him fly down on the kickoff and jack up wes welker or roscoe parrish)
Stacey Tutt (he's had a great camp... i think he'd be perfect for those short outs that chad loves)
Andre Wadsworth (haha c'mon who doesn't want this guy to make the team)
Wallace Wright (a jet fan's underdog favorite)
Jesse Pellot-Rosa (redzone threat)

i guess i'll have to drop some guys for them cough cough kimo, mccareins, that random ass rt blanton, & barrett haha

[derza222]

I'm very excited for Madden to come out. One question I had was Brandon Moore's 88 overall rating, am I severely underrating the guy or is he a little too high?

[BroadwayJoe10]

I'm very excited for Madden to come out. One question I had was Brandon Moore's 88 overall rating, am I severely underrating the guy or is he a little too high?

haha i noticed that too... the only thing i could think of was that they just didn't know who he was or maybe got him mixed up with someone else and gave him an 88, becuase besides brandon moore paying off the madden guys to raise his stats, that is the only legitimate excuse i can think of.

on other news..roworld.com

The agent for Thomas Jones told the Associated Press Monday that an MRI revealed his client has a strained right calf.

If so, he should only miss a few weeks. It was speculated earlier Monday that Jones might have a high ankle sprain, which would've sidelined him indefinitely. Leon Washington will see the bulk of the first-string action until late in the preseason. The Jets may have to sign yet another running back.


so thats not bad at all, granted i dont enjoy him missing time, but oppose to what it could have been its not too bad. The thing im more interested to know, is what mangini thinks of his agent letting this information loose. Not that he doesnt have the right to do so, I just think its funny how mangini spends all this time to keep everythine tight lipped (even tho when u see him smiling or smirking after an answer you know its not gonna be to severe) his agent lets the info out pretty easily.

[derza222]

Thanks for the Jones info. Good he won't be out for too long. I think the big thing is that as much as he could use some work, we cannot rush him back. He is far too important to the success of the team IMO. If we rush him back and this injury nags we will be kicking ourselves for the rest of the season. As much as I'd like to see him back, I don't want to see him doing anything serious until he's at 110% health.

At the moment it appears we may have to sign another runner or not, but if not this could be a nice opportunity for Ware and Banks to make their cases against 2nd/3rd string guys if we don't. Both are interesting guys, and I'm actually curious to see who everyone thinks we should keep as the third guy. A lot of it is going to come down to versatility and the ability to play ST, core "Jets values", but if push comes to shove I think I'd like Ware. He's got very nice size but some good speed as well, I think he's a nice fit as a pounder. Thoughts?

[TimD]

what rbs do we have? i mean other than fbs

thomas jones, leon washington, ????? then who?

[derza222]

Danny Ware (UDFA out of Georgia), Alvin Banks (UDFA out of James Madison), and Tony Hollings (2nd round Supplimental pick by the Texans a few years back, in his 4th year out of Georgia Tech). Ware has the best size at 6' even 234 lbs, Banks has pretty good size at 5'10 225, and Hollings is 5'10 218 and more of a speed guy. He has had some durability issues in the past I believe. If I had to guess I'd say one of the rookies is going to be the guy to make the team, and the other will be kept on the practice squad. At the moment I believe Ware is working as the 3rd RB and worked with the 2nd team after the Jones injury.

[TimD]

i've heard of hollings before... other 2 not really...

['cuse-213]

Ware apparently looked good in the preseason game. Good cuts and whatnot.

[derza222]

Ware had one very nice run, 20+ yarder, and looked solid the rest of the time but didn't really do that well yardage wise. On his other 11 carries he gained about low-mid 20's in yardage, around 2 YPC. Still, for the game he had 12 carries for 48 yds, an average of 4 per carry. We'll see. The reason you probably haven't heard about Banks or Ware is that both were undrafted rookies, so they haven't had much hype yet. One or the other should be a solid third back for us right now, as I said Ware is our third back behind Jones and Washington at the moment.

[Zim3031]

08/14 — New York Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said some of the words that Green & White fans wanted to hear late this afternoon, telling ESPN-AM Radio in New York that "very substantial progress has been made" in the negotiations between the Jets and the representatives for first-round draft pick Darrelle Revis.

"We think we've found a solution," Tannenbaum told ESPN. Agent Neil Schwartz, who was reported to be at the Jets' training complex, told The Associated Press, "I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but we're working. We're making progress."

Tannenbaum and Schwartz are expected to meet into and through this evening in an effort to reach an agreement.

LINK (http://www.newyorkjets.com/posts/122--substantial-progress-in-revis-talks)

Keep your fingers crossed :)

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

He's Signed!!thank The Lord!!!

[georgiafan]

Does Danny Ware still have the edge on the other RB's ? I thought he looked better then Banks did last week. How much playing time should he get tonight ?

[TimD]

what time is the game on tonight? and is it going to be on cbs, fox, espn, abc???

[derza222]

Ware is the third RB for us now, it looks like he does have the edge and I think (especially if Jones doesn't play) he should receive significant PT. I'm rooting for him to make the team as the third RB.

And as far as I know the game's at 7 or 8 on Fox.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

8 ET, on Fox

[jkpigskin]

any of you jets fan watching laveranues coles on oprah?
pretty powerful stuff

[AlexDown]

I remember seeing that interview a few years back. That guy is a class act.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

any of you jets fan watching laveranues coles on oprah?
pretty powerful stuff

didn't see it today, but it was a re-run because i saw it about 2 years ago. Ya, i'd agree, pretty powerful stuff indeed. Very good individual

[litlharsh]

Chad Pennington: AWESOME!

But we got stunted the first drive. Please someone chat about the game here with me. I'll love you.

EDIT: sorry guys, didn't know about hte thread. newbie.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Penny looked pretty bad. although his completion percentage was solid, those 2 ints were just bad. the first he didn't see Sharper....okay, i'll let it slide. The second was just a bad play by a veteran. Those type of plays just can't happen. I'm not about to start saying let clemens start, that would just be stupid, but he's gotta play better than that. those were bad plays by a vet

[ironman4579]

I missed the first half. How has David Harris looked so far?

[derza222]

David Harris has looked very good so far. Not sure if he'll be starting by the beginning of the year as Barton is not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, but he'll certainly see significant PT and I'd be very surprised if he's not starting by the end of the season.

['cuse-213]

I was just wondering, anyone know what kind of helmet revis is wearing? I noticed Harris switched from a revo and was hoping revis did too.

[TimD]

i think revo's are kinda ugly... bad night for chad... clemens continues to impress me

[JETS5128]

does anyone else really like Ware? I love his style

[TimD]

yeah i do... but i think hollings has sooooo much potential he is just idk not doing that well

['cuse-213]

I was just wondering, anyone know what kind of helmet revis is wearing? I noticed Harris switched from a revo and was hoping revis did too.

nobody saw him in his helmet?

[Gang Green]

I think this could be Pennington's last year. The time has come to usher in Clemens, with a strong armed quarterback the offense can play up to it's potential.

[derza222]

Just figured I'd mention that Kerry Rhodes was on SI's all NFL first team as a SS. It may be a bit premature, but nice to see him getting some serious probs. Mangold was also the second center. There's a thread in the NFL forum if you guys want to check it out.

['cuse-213]

I was just wondering, anyone know what kind of helmet revis is wearing? I noticed Harris switched from a revo and was hoping revis did too.

to answer my own question.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6870/303d6817ll1.jpg

I usually dont like revos on skill players, but Revis wears it well.

[TimD]

his mask is more like a regular helmets mask just fit on a revo... i hate these type of masks on revos

http://www.sppss.com/images/football/riddell/revoyouthside.jpg

[TimD]

what ever happened to anthony schlegal?

['cuse-213]

Ive seen him a couple times in special teams and 4th quarter.

[TimD]

i thought he would eventually be the starting ILB alongside J Vilma but that obviously didn't work out... well we got Harris now and he's from a better school (go blue)

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

schlegal was a bit of a reach at the time, and has been a disappointment. Harris is going to blow him out of the water. i don't even know if he's that great a special teams guy, next year he may be fighting for his job? anyone else have any idea because i could definitely be wrong.

['cuse-213]

Yeah hell be borderline next year for sure.

[Gang Green]

Shleigel was definetely a reach in the 06 draft, he will only be playing special teams as long as he is a jet.

[josh07039]

I know alot of people here are fans of Kellen Clemens, but I still kinda wish we had drafted Brodie Croyle. His Arm is really strong and he just has the gunslinger/winnder aura about him that I really cant explain. i just mention it because hearing that Croyle beat out huard for the starting job reminded me of this. Also I haven't seen the entire preseason and I hear he been impressive, but the little I saw of Clemens was unimpressive.

[TimD]

I know alot of people here are fans of Kellen Clemens, but I still kinda wish we had drafted Brodie Croyle. His Arm is really strong and he just has the gunslinger/winnder aura about him that I really cant explain. i just mention it because hearing that Croyle beat out huard for the starting job reminded me of this. Also I haven't seen the entire preseason and I hear he been impressive, but the little I saw of Clemens was unimpressive.

what did you see of clemens... his preseason has been nothing but impressive (in my opinion)

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

I know alot of people here are fans of Kellen Clemens, but I still kinda wish we had drafted Brodie Croyle. His Arm is really strong and he just has the gunslinger/winnder aura about him that I really cant explain. i just mention it because hearing that Croyle beat out huard for the starting job reminded me of this. Also I haven't seen the entire preseason and I hear he been impressive, but the little I saw of Clemens was unimpressive.

thats not the feel i get about Croyle, and i'm more than happy having Clemens over him personally. u must also be reading something that isn't necessarily watching the Jets games because Clemens has also looked solid in preseason......

[shavedaeyebrow2]

I haven't really found Kellen that impressive. Nothing he's done has made me say, wow, I am sure happy we drafted him. He looks good, but right now, I want Brad Smith as our future QB!

[TimD]

i know everyone hates Merril Hoge but i'm pretty sure he thought Clemens was the best QB in that draft class... now idk if that hurts my argument that Clemens will be a solid starter but i remember hearing something like that haha...

['cuse-213]

I think it was Hoge and Jaws. Both, I hate.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/posts/142-pete-kendall-traded-to-the-redskins

The Pete Kendall drama has finally been resolved. it doesn't say when we got in return, but at least the issue is dealt with.

at this point i was half expecting the Jets to resign him actually, not sure why...

[TimD]

finally its about time... i was getting so sick of the distraction... hopefully we got a day 1 pick....

[AlexDown]

That's to bad.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

4th rounder. i'm satisfied with that, couldn't have expected to much more than that. management has done a fairly good job with late picks in recent years, getting guys like Rhodes, Coleman, Cotchery, etc.etc. considering it was obvious he didn't want to be here and there was major problems, i consider this a win-win

[SeanTaylorRIP]

How good is Kendal, haven't paid much attention to the Jets, I do know he's old though. Here is the pick deal:
Jets get a 5th rounder this year if Kendall plays less than 80 percent of the Redskin offensive snaps. It becomes a 4th rounder in '09 if he plays 80 percent or more.
Nice for the Skins that they learned after trading for Duckett and he played like 2 games.

[BroadwayJoe10]

besides the fact that he will let the media know if and when he has a problem he is a solid player. Not the biggest or quickest, but from what hes lost in speed and size hes made up for in knowledge of the game. He knows where each and every person on the line has to be and what their assignments are (he knew this before mangini came along and made sure everyone plays every position, he has played much of the line positions, although he sucks at center, self-admittingly). He's a tough guy who'll play as hard as he can for the team he is on, assuming the 'skins give him the extra million he wants. He did a fantastic job with Brick and Mangold; they both loved him. All in all i beleive it worked out well for both teams; 'skins got a player who will be a good starter on their line and we got a 4th rounder.
I am fairly pleased that we got a 4th rounder (is that the definate compensation we got?) It seems that our front office does enjoy stock piling picks in order to make moves when they seem fit.

['cuse-213]

How good is Kendal, haven't paid much attention to the Jets, I do know he's old though. Here is the pick deal:
Jets get a 5th rounder this year if Kendall plays less than 80 percent of the Redskin offensive snaps. It becomes a 4th rounder in '09if he plays 80 percent or more.
Nice for the Skins that they learned after trading for Duckett and he played like 2 games.

that seems weird, you sure its not a 4th this year if he plays alot?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

that seems weird, you sure its not a 4th this year if he plays alot?

That's what I heard and for sure not an 08 fourth because we loss that in the Duckett trade, we should just give up the 5th and have him play 79% of the season, lol.

[AlexDown]

You guys got a good deal. He is a very solid player.

['cuse-213]

You guys got a good deal. He is a very solid player.

eh I dont know. Hes been solid, but hes getting old. I think it worked out very equally for both teams.

[josh07039]

thats not the feel i get about Croyle, and i'm more than happy having Clemens over him personally. u must also be reading something that isn't necessarily watching the Jets games because Clemens has also looked solid in preseason......sorry to cut into the kendall discussion, but its not anytihng ive read, its what ive seen. His arm hasn't shown much strength and his accuracy has seemed spotty at times. For an arm that isnt what anyone would call strong, his accuracy needs to be absolutley pinpoint. While his numbers have been good, from what ive seen, the way he has accumulated those stats is unimpressive.

[LonghornsLegend]

How good is Kendal, haven't paid much attention to the Jets, I do know he's old though. Here is the pick deal:
Jets get a 5th rounder this year if Kendall plays less than 80 percent of the Redskin offensive snaps. It becomes a 4th rounder in '09 if he plays 80 percent or more.
Nice for the Skins that they learned after trading for Duckett and he played like 2 games.

you guys sure dont mind parting with draft picks early in the season huh?

some things never change, i thought you guys would be tired of drafting 2 players a year....


good move for the jets if its a day one, should be a high rd pick as well

[SeanTaylorRIP]

you guys sure dont mind parting with draft picks early in the season huh?

some things never change, i thought you guys would be tired of drafting 2 players a year....


good move for the jets if its a day one, should be a high rd pick as well

It's been confirmed son, depending on how much he plays could be a 5th rounder next year, or a 4th rounder in 2009, not bad value at all, gives us insurance if he breaks down this year, and damn we have Mike Pucillo penciled at G We had to make this move.

[skinzzfan25]

you guys sure dont mind parting with draft picks early in the season huh?

some things never change, i thought you guys would be tired of drafting 2 players a year....


good move for the jets if its a day one, should be a high rd pick as well

I don't know what your talking about, this propels our already good line to possibly one of the best in the league when Samuels returns. This move had to be done, Wade and Pucillo both had their chances.

He's just a few steps under Dockery less than half the money.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

i'm sure he'll play good for the skins, he's a good player just things here weren't working out. Skins don't like draft picks, and Kendall playing in NY was pretty much an after thought now, so i think its safe to say the trade worked for both teams.
although i would have liked to have that gaurenteed 4th rounder........

[skinzzfan25]

How's D'Brickashaw gonna hold up on the left side? I heard that Kendall was kind of his safety net.

['cuse-213]

we will see. hopefully his saftey net will only be needed for rookie seasons.

[TimD]

FLAG GIRLS!!!!

http://www.newyorkjets.com/posts/144-jets-flight-crew-hits-the-runway

one step closer to cheerleaders

http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/gallery_images/slides/082407_flight_crew.jpg?1187979737

only picture i could find

[Crickett]

I know alot of people here are fans of Kellen Clemens, but I still kinda wish we had drafted Brodie Croyle. His Arm is really strong and he just has the gunslinger/winnder aura about him that I really cant explain. i just mention it because hearing that Croyle beat out huard for the starting job reminded me of this. Also I haven't seen the entire preseason and I hear he been impressive, but the little I saw of Clemens was unimpressive.



Kellen Clemons: 22 for 31, 240 yards, 4 td's and 1 int (in two games).
Brodie Croyle: 16 for 36, 176 yards, 1 TD and 3 int's (in three games).

Whoever told you Brodie Croyle was impressive this preseason lied. Keep in mind that during the '06 draft, I wanted the Jets to draft Croyle (in the third round) too. Mostly because I wanted them to stock up on O-linemen as much as they could (meaning five or six instead of just the first two picks).

[TimD]

I think kellen is going to be our starter next year or the year after. he's been impressive in camp and preseason this year and i remember stuff about how he was being a leader last year as a backup rookie QB... i think he has a future as a QB...

[AlexDown]

I don't see him beating out Chad for a job anytime soon unless injury.

[leftwich7]

I like you jets fans because i'm a big Cotch fan as well as Vilma fan. i have a yahoo football league settin up for live draft sept. 3. info is on our team page

[derza222]

Cotch is the man.

Anyways, it seems Bender might get the start at LG tonight. At least I was under that impression after reading the NYJ website. If so, how he performs is huge. And if he keeps the job, how he performs in the regular season is also huge.

Also, when we host the Eagles in October I think we're wearing NY Titans throwback uni's. Pretty cool since I don't remember the last time we did something like that. Either way there's going to be something for the Titans that game.

[AlexDown]

Can't believe we got rid of Kendall....

[Crickett]

Can't believe we got rid of Kendall....

I have to agree. The Jets line is getting manhandled out there (including D'Brick).

[AlexDown]

I have to agree. The Jets line is getting manhandled out there (including D'Brick).

Osi owned D'Brick there.

[josh07039]

Kellen Clemons: 22 for 31, 240 yards, 4 td's and 1 int (in two games).
Brodie Croyle: 16 for 36, 176 yards, 1 TD and 3 int's (in three games).

Whoever told you Brodie Croyle was impressive this preseason lied. Keep in mind that during the '06 draft, I wanted the Jets to draft Croyle (in the third round) too. Mostly because I wanted them to stock up on O-linemen as much as they could (meaning five or six instead of just the first two picks).I neverr said Croyle looked impressive in the preseason, im just remembering my views from before the draft from the senior bowl/college.

[Crickett]

I neverr said Croyle looked impressive in the preseason, im just remembering my views from before the draft from the senior bowl/college.

For some reason I thought "Also I haven't seen the entire preseason and I hear he been impressive" was refering to Brodie Croyle. *smack forehead*

[Crickett]

Good job Anthony Clement and Leon Washington.

[AlexDown]

They are looking pretty bad....

[Crickett]

They're gettin manhandled in almost every facet. (I'm being kind by saying almost)

[Zim3031]

On the bright side, both Harris and Revis looked excellent.

[Crickett]

On the bright side, both Harris and Revis looked excellent.

On the dark side,...... everything else. :( :( :(

I had hopes that maybe Pouha could possibly be a 3-4 NT. Then I watched Brandon Jacobs run him over.

[nvot9]

Lol why do you guys care so much...it's the pre-season, there's injuries, confusion, half-assing...it means nothing, teams go 0-4 in the pre season and still make the playoffs.

[AlexDown]

Last night was first team vs. first team. While I have said before that I hate preseason games and the outcome means nothing, we can still get an idea about what to expcet by watching certain players and how they are preforming.

I said it when it happened but getting rid of Kendell was a mistake, especially when it looks like we really didn't get much for him. OL looked bad.

[TimD]

I think Moore and Mangold will have solid seasons this year, but I think D'Brickashaw might sturggle without Kendall, and whoever replaces Kendall (be it Jacob, Smith, Jones, or Clarke) will also have a tough time. Clement at RT will have an okay season, so I think we will try to run right over the other teams left side.

['cuse-213]

You guys should all go the Fantasy Section and sign up for the National Fantasy League Signups 2nd season. It's basically a simulation league and if you're unfamiliar with what that is. You create a player, make yourself or make someone up and you get to make up everything about him. Position, size, strengths, weaknesses, college. You will then be entered into the draft. It doesn't ask for a huge commitment. You can just sign up and check whenever you want. But if you're like me, you'll get attached and get really into it. Just go to that thread and signup, it explains everything in further detail. It'll be a lot of fun. If you have any further question about it just ask me

[Crickett]

I think Moore and Mangold will have solid seasons this year, but I think D'Brickashaw might sturggle without Kendall, and whoever replaces Kendall (be it Jacob, Smith, Jones, or Clarke) will also have a tough time. Clement at RT will have an okay season, so I think we will try to run right over the other teams left side.

Here's what's worrying me.

1. THe Jets OL got run over on BOTH sides last night. Mauled, manhandled, overpowered, dominated, whatever you want to call it.

2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson vs. Osi Umenyiora. Yeah, I know its just the preseason and Osi's a pro bowl DE, but D'Brick looked terrible out there in pass protection, which was supposed to be his specialty.

3. The Jets are going to have to run to the left side because every time they put someone else in at LG in the first half, the Giants' defensive line sent the message "this guy can't cut it either".

[Crickett]

Lol why do you guys care so much...it's the pre-season, there's injuries, confusion, half-assing...it means nothing, teams go 0-4 in the pre season and still make the playoffs.

And amazingly, the Jets actually won last night. But the first team offense and defense looked terrible. Thats all I care about from the game because that to me is an indicator that the Jets could be heading for trouble when the season actually does start.

[JETS5128]

Although our entire first team O sucked, our D wasn't that bad. They only let up 10 points. Plus Revis and Harris also kicked some serious ass

[Crickett]

Although our entire first team O sucked, our D wasn't that bad. They only let up 10 points. Plus Revis and Harris also kicked some serious ass


Revis and Harris kicked some serious ass which I was glad to see but, I think a big reason they only let up 10 was

A. The Giants couldn't move the ball in the red zone until almost halftime.
B. Lawrence Tynes.

The D got no pressure on Eli. Maybe they weren't trying to. After all, it is just the preseason. But he had all the time in the world every time he dropped back to pass.

[JETS5128]

Revis and Harris kicked some serious ass which I was glad to see but, I think a big reason they only let up 10 was

A. The Giants couldn't move the ball in the red zone until almost halftime.
B. Lawrence Tynes.

The D got no pressure on Eli. Maybe they weren't trying to. After all, it is just the preseason. But he had all the time in the world every time he dropped back to pass.

I think part of the reason they couldn't move in the red zone was us. we were bending and not breaking, although i agree with B

[TimD]

i think a major reason our O line was weak is because that left guard spot is throwing off chemistry... not including Pete Kendall over the course of camp and pre-season Jones, Jacobs, Clarke, and Smith have practiced with the first team. having to learn have to play next to a new guy like every week has to be real tough on 2 rookies... once a starter is named and practices a bit i think the line will vastly improve which will in turn make the rest of the offense improve

[TimD]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/another-good-day-for-clemens

Clemens is going to be a good starter

[TimD]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/1502--titans-throwback-day-set

New York Titans Throwback Day

The New York Jets will celebrate their storied history with a special “Titans Throwback Day” presented by Jets TicketExchange by Ticketmaster on Sunday, Oct. 14, when the Jets take on the Philadelphia Eagles in the Meadowlands.

Jets players and coaches will sport the Titans' original navy and gold uniforms and a halftime ceremony will honor four members of the original team — Don Maynard, Bill Mathis, Larry Grantham and Curley Johnson.

i cant wait to go to this game...

http://www.conigliofamily.com/images/MaynardTitans.jpg

a lot like old rams jerseys

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we cut 10 year vetren Tim Dwight

L Coles, J Cotchery, J McCareins, C Stuckey, F Jackson, W Wright are all competing for the 5 spots (i didnt list Brad Smith because i think he'll take up a roster spot at QB not WR)

[JETS5128]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/1502--titans-throwback-day-set

New York Titans Throwback Day



i cant wait to go to this game...

http://www.conigliofamily.com/images/MaynardTitans.jpg

a lot like old rams jerseys

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we cut 10 year vetren Tim Dwight

L Coles, J Cotchery, J McCareins, C Stuckey, F Jackson, W Wright are all competing for the 5 spots (i didnt list Brad Smith because i think he'll take up a roster spot at QB not WR)

Sweet, is philly gunna wear their oldies?

[TimD]

doesnt say but thatd be really cool

[derza222]

Sweet, is philly gunna wear their oldies?

Don't think so, Philly's wearin old school jerseys Sept 23 against the Lions. I'm at school in Philly right now and I'm going to that particular game, which is the only reason I know that. I was wondering why nobody responded when I posted this a page ago, guess nobody noticed it. The jerseys should be pretty sweet though. I wonder if any jerseys go on sale, or if we'll continue to do this more than just this year?

[shavedaeyebrow2]

Don't think so, Philly's wearin old school jerseys Sept 23 against the Lions. I'm at school in Philly right now and I'm going to that particular game, which is the only reason I know that. I was wondering why nobody responded when I posted this a page ago, guess nobody noticed it. The jerseys should be pretty sweet though. I wonder if any jerseys go on sale, or if we'll continue to do this more than just this year?

Where do you go to school in Philly?

[derza222]

Where do you go to school in Philly?

I go to Nova.

[TimD]

good write up about D'Brick

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1188362717127130.xml&coll=1

[BroadwayJoe10]

"Ravens informed G Keydrick Vincent of his release.
The Jets have a need at guard and have been reported to have potential interest in Vincent, a mauler who didn't fit the Ravens' more athletic look along the offensive line. Chris Chester takes over at right guard in Baltimore."

-does anyone know if our FO has shown any interest in him?? good size and pretty young 6'5 325lbs and 29 years old.

didn't read if it was mentioned but if it was my bad, but any updates would be nice as well.

[AlexDown]

good write up about D'Brick

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1188362717127130.xml&coll=1

Unrelated but it caught my attention from the website name. It saddens me that the Jets have slowly but surely become the New Jersey Jets.

[TimD]

Unrelated but it caught my attention from the website name. It saddens me that the Jets have slowly but surely become the New Jersey Jets.

Well the Ledger covers the Giants just as much as the Jets. Having 2 NFL teams playing in our state kinda makes us think they are ours... I mean if it wasn't for the name people would assume the were from NJ cause they play there...

[BroadwayJoe10]

"The Asbury Park Press reports that the Jets are using Andre Dyson as trade bait in an attempt to replace left guard Pete Kendall.

The Jets have rookie Jacob Bender at LG, but are looking for a veteran to protect Chad Pennington's blindside. Dyson was a solid cornerback last year, but the team seems willing to stick former holdout Darrelle Revis in the starting lineup."


from this it definately seems that they are satisfied with david barrett, which from what ive heard he had a great camp. This also shows that they might not be to comfortable with bender.

[JETS5128]

"The Asbury Park Press reports that the Jets are using Andre Dyson as trade bait in an attempt to replace left guard Pete Kendall.

The Jets have rookie Jacob Bender at LG, but are looking for a veteran to protect Chad Pennington's blindside. Dyson was a solid cornerback last year, but the team seems willing to stick former holdout Darrelle Revis in the starting lineup."


from this it definately seems that they are satisfied with david barrett, which from what ive heard he had a great camp. This also shows that they might not be to comfortable with bender.

I like this move, if it can happen

[TimD]

i don't and i hope it doesn't happen... he had a good season and now we'll throw him away... whats wrong with having 2 solid corners...

[throwback54milkman]

ok 3 things we learned from tonight's game:
1) C.J. Mosely will definately see the field this season
2) We hope Brad Smith doesn't (as a QB)
3) Mike Nugent is good

[M.O.T.H.]

Blake Costanzo...is he a long shot? I have to admit, I havent been paying much attention to the Jets this preseason.

[derza222]

I'd say Costanzo is a long shot to make the team, yes.

It's probably wrong, but since cuts are tomorrow I'm making a prediction for the final roster. Here goes.

QB (2.5)
Pennington
Clemens
B. Smith

RB (3)
T. Jones
L. Washington
Ware

FB (2)
Barnes
Tutt

WR (5.5)
Coles
Cotchery
McCareins
Stuckey
Smith
Wright

TE (4)
Baker
Ryan
Pociask
Dearth (LS)

OL (9)
Bender
Clarke
Clement
Ferguson
Goddard
A. Jones
Mangold
Moore
W. Smith

DE (5)
K. Coleman
Ellis
Hamilton
Haynes
Hicks

DT (3)
Robertson
Mosely
Pouha

OLB (3)
Bowens
Hobson
Thomas

ILB (4)
Barton
Harris
Kassell
Vilma

CB (5)
Barrett
D. Coleman
Dyson
Miller
Revis

S (5)
E. Coleman
Rhodes
E. Smith
R. Ventrone
R. Washington

K (1)
Nugent

P (1)
Graham

And I can’t figure who to give the 53rd spot. Frisman Jackson, Hank Poteat, Anthony Schlegel, Cody Spencer, Raymond Ventrone, and Kimo Von Oelhoffen I think all have legit shots to make the team. Just cuz I’m a Nova guy I’ll give it to Ventrone who’s a good ST player and I think that puts him over the edge. I’m sure my predictions are wrong, especially at LB, but I had to give it a shot.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

I hope kimo gets cut

[nvot9]

I like your entire prediction except for one thing, I would put Bobby Hamilton as making the team, KVO as being cut, and Schlegel as being the 53rd guy. Otherwise it's exactly how I would have done it...

[derza222]

I hope kimo gets cut

I do too, I'd gladly see Bobby Hamilton take his spot. It was more me wanting KVO to be cut and not wanting to get my hopes up. In fact, I'm going to switch it now. And Schlegel may take the last spot if they're not willing to admit they made a mistake. I just like Ventrone's impact on ST. Thanks for taking a look at it.

By the way, just out of curiosity, do you go to school in Philly? Just wondering because you asked me where I go before.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

I do too, I'd gladly see Bobby Hamilton take his spot. It was more me wanting KVO to be cut and not wanting to get my hopes up. In fact, I'm going to switch it now. And Schlegel may take the last spot if they're not willing to admit they made a mistake. I just like Ventrone's impact on ST. Thanks for taking a look at it.

By the way, just out of curiosity, do you go to school in Philly? Just wondering because you asked me where I go before.
My brother goes to school over at Drexel

[derza222]

My brother goes to school over at Drexel

Cool. Honorary member of the Big 5. I actually got my brother a Drexel hat as a gift earlier in the year just cuz it looks cool and I knew he'd like it (he's 11).

[TimD]

Let's get some votes for K Rhodes.... he got snubbed last year let's make sure the same doesn't happen with the NFLDC Preseason Pro Bowl Predictions Team

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12212&page=12

[derza222]

Rodney Harrison suspended for the first 4 games of the year after admitting to HGH use...could be significant since we're playing them week one.

[TimD]

Rodney Harrison suspended for the first 4 games of the year after admitting to HGH use...could be significant since we're playing them week one.

too bad chad doesnt have the arm to beat the replacement safety deep.... and the bill has good defensive backs like its his job, oh it is... yeah well idk someone will step up and he wont be rodney back there but he'll be good...

[hcbrad08]

They have merriweather who played safety in their last game vs the gianst and their starters...I watched it he way good and all over the place... But stop knockin chads arm its old news....i promise the play fake will lead to longer passes (also they didnt throw deep very much last year bc they didnt want to hurt chads arm like herm did rushing him back) but this year they will bump up the number of deep passes off of play action to TJ!

Something to get the Jets pumped....Belichick was recently quoted in SI as saying this about Kerry Rhodes..."That guy couldn't make my team" to which Kerry Rhodes responded with "hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" no lie and then a no comment and then " haha maybe I couldn't make his team haha" Let's just say I think next Sundays gonna be a little more exciting then a lot of people think.

Schlegel, KVonO, Haynes, Wadsworth = CUT
Manny Collins & Tui = Bubble and respectively will probably go Prac Sq. & Cut
Dyson has been rumored to be on the block
Jets talks with Ravens ex G Kendrick cooled off...Trade could still happen

[derza222]

The writer misquoted it, BB didn't say that. There's a thread in the NFL forum if anyone wants the details. Second page explains what happened.

[TimD]

so who were all the cuts today? is there somewhere i can find them?

[JETS5128]

List of all cuts

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/1543-final-cuts-kimo-hamilton-go-tui-devito-tes-stay

I wish we kept Ware, Wadsworth, Haynes and one of the WR's

[TimD]

im posting this here because i feel better getting biased advice from jets fans...

would leon washington be a good start week 1 as a third RB? i have mo jones-drew, edge, marion barber, caddillac, nd leon... i plan to start jones-drew nd edge now should i start leon because of the increased amount of carries he'll get plus harrison and seymour are out of should i let the o line settle a bit before playing him?

[JETS5128]

I think i might sit Leon and play Caddy

[TimD]

I think i might sit Leon and play Caddy

maybe im going to post it in the fantasy argument as well... tough decision

[Gridiron]

speaking of fantasy, here's the team I just drafted (I picked 8th in a 14-team league):

1. (8) Peyton Manning QB
2. (21) Willis McGahee RB
3. (36) Adrian Peterson RB
4. (49) Javon Walker WR
5. (64) Jerricho Cotchery WR
6. (77) DeShaun Foster RB
7. (92) Isaac Bruce WR
8. (105) Zach Thomas DL
9. (120) DeMeco Ryans DL
10. (133) Keith Bulluck DL
11. (148) Chris Hope DB
12. (161) Kirk Morrison DL
13. (176) Keith Brooking DL
14. (189) Ronde Barber DB
15. (204) Gibril Wilson DB
16. (217) Randy McMichael TE
17. (232) Leon Washington RB
18. (245) Craig Davis WR
19. (260) Demetrius Williams WR
20. (273) Jeff Garcia QB
21. (288) Chris Baker TE
22. (301) Jon Beason DL
23. (316) Madieu Williams DB
24. (329) Matt Stover K
25. (344) Michael Vick QB

Don't worry, the Vick pick isn't sticking (it was a joke) and I've already dropped him and picked up a sleeper (Selvin Young).

Right now my starting RBs and WRs are:

McGahee
Peterson
Walker
Cotchery
Bruce
Davis

and I need to start one W/R

at W/R should I start Leon Washington, DeShaun Foster, or Demetrius Williams? Or what about Selvin Young?

[TimD]

speaking of fantasy, here's the team I just drafted (I picked 8th in a 14-team league):

1. (8) Peyton Manning QB
2. (21) Willis McGahee RB
3. (36) Adrian Peterson RB
4. (49) Javon Walker WR
5. (64) Jerricho Cotchery WR
6. (77) DeShaun Foster RB
7. (92) Isaac Bruce WR
8. (105) Zach Thomas DL
9. (120) DeMeco Ryans DL
10. (133) Keith Bulluck DL
11. (148) Chris Hope DB
12. (161) Kirk Morrison DL
13. (176) Keith Brooking DL
14. (189) Ronde Barber DB
15. (204) Gibril Wilson DB
16. (217) Randy McMichael TE
17. (232) Leon Washington RB
18. (245) Craig Davis WR
19. (260) Demetrius Williams WR
20. (273) Jeff Garcia QB
21. (288) Chris Baker TE
22. (301) Jon Beason DL
23. (316) Madieu Williams DB
24. (329) Matt Stover K
25. (344) Michael Vick QB

Don't worry, the Vick pick isn't sticking (it was a joke) and I've already dropped him and picked up a sleeper (Selvin Young).

Right now my starting RBs and WRs are:

McGahee
Peterson
Walker
Cotchery
Bruce
Davis

and I need to start one W/R

at W/R should I start Leon Washington, DeShaun Foster, or Demetrius Williams? Or what about Selvin Young?

i like your team minus the fact that kerry rhodes isnt on it

[shavedaeyebrow2]

How the hell do we plan on only keeping 2 RBs?! Danny Ware definitely should've made it, and we should've gotten rid of Stacy Tutt.

[TimD]

How the hell do we plan on only keeping 2 RBs?! Danny Ware definitely should've made it, and we should've gotten rid of Stacy Tutt.

Stacey Tutt obviously convinced Mangini that he could be the 3rd string HB and backup FB

[TimD]

plus tutt is a tough special teams guy

[Gridiron]

i like your team minus the fact that kerry rhodes isnt on it
He was taken about 5 spots before I intended on taking him.

[derza222]

im posting this here because i feel better getting biased advice from jets fans...

would leon washington be a good start week 1 as a third RB? i have mo jones-drew, edge, marion barber, caddillac, nd leon... i plan to start jones-drew nd edge now should i start leon because of the increased amount of carries he'll get plus harrison and seymour are out of should i let the o line settle a bit before playing him?

I actually would start MJD, Caddy, and Barber but that's just me. Jones-Drew is easy. Not sure who Edge is playing and Barber may be a tough play because he can be hit or miss but he's a touchdown machine and I think it's tough to leave him on the bench knowing he could easily have 2 TD's that game. And Caddy because as said he's starting, will get more carries, and is playing a worse run D. But he's up and down at times. The loss of Seymour I don't think will be that big as their backup Green is very good as well, and overall Leon is the backup RB. I don't really think he'll see increased carries just because we have 2 RB's, we're running the same system we would be otherwise. He's an awesome big-play guy, but whether he gets into the endzone (very important) is up in the air. So if you're deadset on those two, I'd go Barber easy.

[TimD]

I actually would start MJD, Caddy, and Barber but that's just me. Jones-Drew is easy. Not sure who Edge is playing and Barber may be a tough play because he can be hit or miss but he's a touchdown machine and I think it's tough to leave him on the bench knowing he could easily have 2 TD's that game. And Caddy because as said he's starting, will get more carries, and is playing a worse run D. But he's up and down at times. The loss of Seymour I don't think will be that big as their backup Green is very good as well, and overall Leon is the backup RB. I don't really think he'll see increased carries just because we have 2 RB's, we're running the same system we would be otherwise. He's an awesome big-play guy, but whether he gets into the endzone (very important) is up in the air. So if you're deadset on those two, I'd go Barber easy.

Barber is playing the Giants... And since they really do not have a good runstopping interior line i have a feeling Barber has a short goalline TD run up the gut. With Kearny and Lofa on Seattle's D i don't think Caddy has a good game but then again he has a lot to prove. I think ill start Barber...

[derza222]

Barber is playing the Giants... And since they really do not have a good runstopping interior line i have a feeling Barber has a short goalline TD run up the gut. With Kearny and Lofa on Seattle's D i don't think Caddy has a good game but then again he has a lot to prove. I think ill start Barber...

Sounds like a good call to me. Where did you get Barber? If the Cowboys staff finally realizes that he's a better back than Jones (you can look at the stats, and ESPN had a really good fantasy-related article on it) then he could be a massive steal.

[TimD]

Sounds like a good call to me. Where did you get Barber? If the Cowboys staff finally realizes that he's a better back than Jones (you can look at the stats, and ESPN had a really good fantasy-related article on it) then he could be a massive steal.

this is my team

1. (6) Peyton Manning
2. (15) Maurice Jones-Drew
3. (26) Edgerrin James
4. (35) Andre Johnson
5. (46) Laveranues Coles
6. (55) Carnell Williams
7. (66) Denver
8. (75) Marion Barber III
9. (86) Joey Galloway
10. (95) Chris Cooley
11. (106) Leon Washington
12. (115) Randy McMichael
13. (126) Steve McNair
14. (135) Mike Nugent
15. (146) Brandon Jones
16. (155) New York
17. (166) Anthony Thomas

[derza222]

this is my team

1. (6) Peyton Manning
2. (15) Maurice Jones-Drew
3. (26) Edgerrin James
4. (35) Andre Johnson
5. (46) Laveranues Coles
6. (55) Carnell Williams
7. (66) Denver
8. (75) Marion Barber III
9. (86) Joey Galloway
10. (95) Chris Cooley
11. (106) Leon Washington
12. (115) Randy McMichael
13. (126) Steve McNair
14. (135) Mike Nugent
15. (146) Brandon Jones
16. (155) New York
17. (166) Anthony Thomas

I think Barber could really end up being a steal for you. Low risk/high reward factor. I like that team. Cooley could be absolutely huge, you're a little thin at WR but I think that makes up for it.

[TimD]

I think Barber could really end up being a steal for you. Low risk/high reward factor. I like that team. Cooley could be absolutely huge, you're a little thin at WR but I think that makes up for it.

it is a 10 team league in case you were wondering... im torn between my sleeper McMichael and my big name Cooley...

[TimD]

I read in the Star Ledger that there are rumors of the Jets being interested in Denver RB Mike Bell. That could be a nice future combo Leon and Bell... Also it said that TE Sean Ryan #88 might be on the trading block. And I think this was posted but I heard that Dyson may be on the block as well. I'm not sure if Bell and the two guys rumored to be on the block are related in any way, because Den is set at TE and CB, but I just wanted to let ya'll know what I've heard...

[JETS5128]

I read in the Star Ledger that there are rumors of the Jets being interested in Denver RB Mike Bell. That could be a nice future combo Leon and Bell... Also it said that TE Sean Ryan #88 might be on the trading block. And I think this was posted but I heard that Dyson may be on the block as well. I'm not sure if Bell and the two guys rumored to be on the block are related in any way, because Den is set at TE and CB, but I just wanted to let ya'll know what I've heard...

I'd be happy to see Ryan go, Dyson and Bell are all about the value we can get in return. I think Dyson is too underrated to get equal return value and i think the broncos might like Bell too much for us to get equal value. Although i wouldn't mind either move

[TimD]

I'd be happy to see Ryan go, Dyson and Bell are all about the value we can get in return. I think Dyson is too underrated to get equal return value and i think the broncos might like Bell too much for us to get equal value. Although i wouldn't mind either move

Ya know with the players we have now I don't want Bell, and to tell you the truth I like Ryan and Dyson.

If I was the Jets mangement (which would be bad haha :D) this is what I'd do...

-Try and trade David Barrett
-Once he's gone move Manny Collins up to the 6th corner spot
-Try and trade Tui
-Move Danny Ware up the the 3rd RB spot
-Acquire an Olineman in either a trade or FA
-Move either Pociask or Kowalewski to PS to make room for olineman

[JETS5128]

Ya know with the players we have now I don't want Bell, and to tell you the truth I like Ryan and Dyson.

If I was the Jets mangement (which would be bad haha :D) this is what I'd do...

-Try and trade David Barrett
-Once he's gone move Manny Collins up to the 6th corner spot
-Try and trade Tui
-Move Danny Ware up the the 3rd RB spot
-Acquire an Olineman in either a trade or FA
-Move either Pociask or Kowalewski to PS to make room for olineman

Tui was cut and i really don't think Collins is any good

I think an O-lineman is in need of being acquired as well

[TimD]

Tui was cut

no he wasnt
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_permalink/final-cuts-kimo-hamilton-go-tui-devito-tes-stay

[Crickett]

-Try and trade David Barrett

Sounds good. Quite frankly, I always thought Andre Dyson was solid and for the life of me, I can't figure out why everyone is so ready to get rid of him. He doesn't exactly have a 50 million dollar contract you know.


-Once he's gone move Manny Collins up to the 6th corner spot

Do the Jets really need six corners?


-Try and trade Tui

I can't imagine any team would want to trade for Tui. Nobody wants to give this guy a chance. Its been that way since the moment he was drafted. I mean come on, he's had two starts in seven years. Him even coming to the Jets says even more since, there was absolutely no chance he'd be anything more than a third stringer on the Jets roster. Plus Byron Leftwich is out there in free agency.


-Move Danny Ware up the the 3rd RB spot

Who?

-Acquire an Olineman in either a trade or FA

Agreed, agreed and agreed some more.

[TimD]

we have 6 now... plus i like Collins (he's from jersey and went to rutgers :D)

i think the Pats would pick up Tui in a heartbeat if we dropped him

Danny Ware, the guy competing for the 3rd string RB spot... 180 yds in the pre season

[Crickett]

we have 6 now... plus i like Collins (he's from jersey and went to rutgers :D)


The Jets have six corners now, but IMO, at least four of them can start (Dyson, Barrett, Miller and Revis) and the other two are good enough to at least contribute as nickle/dime (Poteat and Coleman) corners. If the Jets traded one, I don't see a reason why he should be replaced.


i think the Pats would pick up Tui in a heartbeat if we dropped him

I don't agree, but thats JMO.


Danny Ware, the guy competing for the 3rd string RB spot... 180 yds in the pre season

Oh...... right. That Danny Ware.

[JETS5128]

no he wasnt
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_permalink/final-cuts-kimo-hamilton-go-tui-devito-tes-stay

Thats why you shouldn't skim through your reading children

[nvot9]

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/118879372962660.xml&coll=1

Interesting article on some moves the Jets might make.

[TimD]

I read in the Star Ledger that there are rumors of the Jets being interested in Denver RB Mike Bell. That could be a nice future combo Leon and Bell... Also it said that TE Sean Ryan #88 might be on the trading block. And I think this was posted but I heard that Dyson may be on the block as well. I'm not sure if Bell and the two guys rumored to be on the block are related in any way, because Den is set at TE and CB, but I just wanted to let ya'll know what I've heard...

yeah thats where i got this from... i just couldnt find the link

[hcbrad08]

1) I wouldn't like to deal Dyson unless we could get a comprable starter at G, which won't happen. Revis 1 and Dyson 2 is good by me. Barrett is a bad 2 and a good 3. Miller is raw and will contribute and anything lower than 2 he's more than capable. I like Drew Coleman and Poteat as role players and situational CBs.

2) I don't think we'll trade Sean Ryan, Mangini loves running 2 TE sets he was quoted as saying that...Ryans specialty is blocking abd that will prove to be invaluable with a Smaller LT and rookie LG. I think if they are dangling him on the blockits because of the few good catches he made in preseason trying to bait a G out of a team. But IMO I dont think it will happen.

3) I think Danny Ware should and will be brought up and one TE sent down to PS (Kowalewski). I think if the Jets pick up another G before that happens Ware will remain on PS and Kowalewski will be sent to PS reps.

As you can see the biggest concern is LG. Pray Bender can pass block well enough to stop the pats from killing Pennington when they run they're2-5 Overload Blitz where they generally overload the Right side of the defense (left side of the offense) If you see two down lineman (considering Seymores out) Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork and then on the non overloaded side #96 Adalius Thomas and #59 Rosie Colvin. We might get killed. Theyd push the line or keep it at the LOS with 2 down lineman stunt Colvin and Thomas and blitz Samuel from the non overloaded side. The overload always creates more attention to that side of the field and especially considering pass blocking issue with Bender and DBricks struggle in Preseason that play might eat us alive unless NEON LEON busts out a couple of 70 yard+ screens.

Also...supplimental note on screens by washington. The best Christmas gift ever the play in Miami was initally quoted (and called perfect by joe theisman...moron) as being perfectly executed...then Chad Pennington and Mangini and David Bowens who was on the defensive side of the ball on that play were quoted as saying no not perfectly executed ALL Leon. Bowens said one second he saw the play behind the line...and then Leon was on the 6.

[TimD]

i have faith that chad will help himself by audibles and quick releases next week... he won't be a sitting duck because he knows what the pats can do and how our line is weak

['cuse-213]

New Pictures of the Jets Stadium. http://68.72.70.73/giants/

Pretty cool looking, not as sharp as WSS but ya know.

[derza222]

Interesting article on the Jets trying to get an edge on the Pats.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8020de76&template=with-video&confirm=true

[TimD]

Interesting article on the Jets trying to get an edge on the Pats.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8020de76&template=with-video&confirm=true

awesome.... haha i love it

[princefielder28]

Is there any news regarding Thomas Jones and his injury??? I have Leon Washington a fantasy team and I'm interested in how many carries I can expect out of him

[JETS5128]

Just saw an article oh Yahoo that siad jones ready for opener, didn't bother reading it though

[nvot9]

Is there any news regarding Thomas Jones and his injury??? I have Leon Washington a fantasy team and I'm interested in how many carries I can expect out of him

I have absolutely no idea, but if it were based on my assumption, I would say he'll get 10-15 carries, I smell a TD from him on Sunday. Thomas Jones is healthy and will play and start Sunday, but I think they still might take it relatively slow with him, or at least not give him a full 30-35 carry day like a usual starting RB might get.

[TimD]

I have absolutely no idea, but if it were based on my assumption, I would say he'll get 10-15 carries, I smell a TD from him on Sunday. Thomas Jones is healthy and will play and start Sunday, but I think they still might take it relatively slow with him, or at least not give him a full 30-35 carry day like a usual starting RB might get.

yeah i think leon takes one in for six either on a return or long run or pass...

[hcbrad08]

any news if we picked up reche caldwell? Id drop wallace wright in a second to have him in our recieving corps/as a pillar of information on how the pats were offensively and defensively preparing for us. Other trade secrets like Randy Moss' hamstring and Tom Brady's unusually small *****....Anyway let me know...Regardless just think of the WRs
1)Coles
2)Cotchery
3)Caldwell
4)McCareins
5)Smith
6)Stuckey

all would be used the depth order doesnt matter because this way you could have great 3 rec packages whether its Coles Caldwell and Cotchery or Stuckey Caldwell Cotchery who cares it would just keep our WRs fresh and impactful and perhaps alleviate some of the beating Coles would take..prolonging his career and maybe even helping his numbers or keeping them the same without working him so hard....I dont think it would hurt...Its an upgrade at the very least over Wallace wright (who i like but hes young and less poslished). let me know your thoughts

[TimD]

any news if we picked up reche caldwell? Id drop wallace wright in a second to have him in our recieving corps/as a pillar of information on how the pats were offensively and defensively preparing for us. Other trade secrets like Randy Moss' hamstring and Tom Brady's unusually small *****....Anyway let me know...Regardless just think of the WRs
1)Coles
2)Cotchery
3)Caldwell
4)McCareins
5)Smith
6)Stuckey

all would be used the depth order doesnt matter because this way you could have great 3 rec packages whether its Coles Caldwell and Cotchery or Stuckey Caldwell Cotchery who cares it would just keep our WRs fresh and impactful and perhaps alleviate some of the beating Coles would take..prolonging his career and maybe even helping his numbers or keeping them the same without working him so hard....I dont think it would hurt...Its an upgrade at the very least over Wallace wright (who i like but hes young and less poslished). let me know your thoughts

and caldwell has the potential to be a number 2 in the future maybe even a num 1... i like wallace because he's a tough worker but caldwell is good

[robert_in_bigd]

I am a Cowboys fan on the Cowboys Board and some dopes are trying to tell me Roy Williams is a better SS than Kerry Rhodes in pass coverage.