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Scott Wright
11-09-2006, 08:30 AM
Discuss the Jets here.

shavedaeyebrow2
11-09-2006, 10:42 AM
http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29777

what does everyone think?

jets future
11-09-2006, 01:37 PM
i guess i saved the thread for no reason oh well
and shaveda that would be awsome if the off season thing actually happened

AlexDown
11-09-2006, 01:46 PM
Fresh start huh?

Zim3031
11-09-2006, 04:08 PM
We're already 33 posts behind the Giants thread :(

Can't let those guys beat us :wink:

FlutiesDropKick
11-09-2006, 04:12 PM
We're already 33 posts behind the Giants thread :(

Can't let those guys beat us :wink:

damn straight

11-09-2006, 04:14 PM
We're already 33 posts behind the Giants thread :(

Can't let those guys beat us :wink:

damn straight
word

shavedaeyebrow2
11-09-2006, 08:25 PM
This game this weekend is gunna be intense, if we win this weekend, the division is ours! I'm biased but I predict 24-17

jets future
11-09-2006, 08:30 PM
hope fully we can come out with a win, i guessed that we would atleast come out with a win against the pats season, i think if we win the score will be 21-20, but that will be scary cus brady is sort a like peyton he can drive his offense down the field,

TimD
11-09-2006, 10:53 PM
I heard that Maroney might be out for the game... is this true?

AlexDown
11-09-2006, 11:33 PM
If we actually score in the first quarter, its going to be a good game.

JETS5128
11-10-2006, 10:36 PM
I actually don't think it will be that close :(

20-10 Pats

shavedaeyebrow2
11-10-2006, 11:26 PM
I heard that Maroney might be out for the game... is this true?

The pats always list like 20 players as questionable so don't count on it

shavedaeyebrow2
11-10-2006, 11:27 PM
for those too lazy to click the link to my mock draft


I will be trying to make this realistic, so I'm sorry to say the Jets will not get all of the top FAs this offseason.

Free Agent Signings:

1. Daniel Graham TE
http://www.rotoworld.com/images/headshots/NFL/1095.jpg
Coming from a Patriot team that loves to use the TE, Mangini will sign one of his former players to help out at the TE position that needs a little help. Don't get me wrong, Chris Baker is alright, but he could definitely be improved.

2. Vince Manuwai LG
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/29/292270m.jpg
This will be the BIG free agent signing for the Jets this offseason. The Jets offensive line has holes at only two spots and that is LG and RT. The Jets will try to fill those holes and get one of the best free agents on the market. Pete Kendall is getting old and has been garbage. Now we gain a young Vince Manuwai to take his place and will soon be on our way to one of the top offensive lines in the NFL (Ferguson-Manuwai-Mangold-Moore-Black).

3. Jordan Black RT
http://espn.starwave.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s6489.jpg
The BIGGEST need on the Jets offense is RT. Anthony Clement and Adrian Jones have been pretty bad to say the least. With the signing of Black, we have officially completed our offensive line. Black comes from what used to be the best offensive line (Chiefs) in the NFL to the Jets new and improved o-line. He will be a starter right away.

4. Michael "the Burner" Turner RB
http://www.bolttalk.com/images/mturner01.jpg
At this point, the Jets do not know what they will get out of Leon Washington and Cedric Houston. This may change as the season goes on, but for right now, running back is conisidered a need. Turner, at 237 pounds, has great speed and is a very valuable player. It is not known that he will be able to carry the entire load at running back, but that is where Leon, Cedric, and Barlow come in. The Jets will more than likely use a 3 running back system with Turner getting the bulk of the carries (Turner 15-20 Carries, Leon 5-10 Carries, Cedric 2-7).

Other Possibilities:
-Max Starks RT
-Adalius Thomas OLB
-Eric Steinbach OG
-Derrick Dockery OG
-Asante Samuel CB

The Draft:
Round 1- LaMarr Woodley DE/OLB, Michigan
http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/photo/WOODLEY_LAMARR_2005_J150.JPG
As a result of the Jets failing to sign a pass rusher, the Jets decide to fulfill that need through the draft. Victor Hobson has been a disappointment at this point in his career. The former 2nd Round pick will now ride the bench and help the team as much as he can. Woodley will immediately put a SOLB to help out the Jets AWFUL pass rushing. Hopefully, with this pick, the Jets can complete their LB group and stop worrying their lack of pass rush. Many may question Woodley's ability to play the 3-4 but I feel that Woodley definitely has the tools to be one of the league's elite.

Round 2a (from the Redskins)- Amobi Okoye NT, Louisville
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/560908.jpeg
Now that the Jets improved the pass rush, they need to improve their run stopping ability. The most important part of the 3-4 defense is the NT and the Jets have virtually no one. Robertson has looked impressive at times, but other times has looked pitiful. Okoye is one of the few players in this draft who could possibly play 3-4 NT. Another plus is that he is only 19 years old! Okoye had the chance to go to Harvard so he has the smarts that the Jets look for. It may take a few years to get to where the Jets want him to be, but when he is ready, he will be among the elite.

Round 2b- Daymeion Hughes CB, California
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/594913.jpeg
The Jets pass defense is alright but nothing special. If Justin Miller is going to keep returning kicks, he can not start. Andre Dyson is a journey man so who knows how long he will be here. David Barrett is getting up there in age and isn't the best man to man corner. Drew Coleman has been a nice surprise for a 6th round pick and has been a starter throughout this year. The Jets need a CB that could possibly play #1 or play as the #2 corner until Dyson is gone.

Round 3- Steve Smith WR, USC
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Jerricho Cotchery has emerged as the future for the Jets at WR but with Coles about to enter his 30s, the Jets need to look for a future #2. Both Clemens and Pennington don't have the greatest arms so they need possession receivers. Though the Jets have Justin McCareins and Brad Smith, Brad Smith will continue to do what he has done and possibly move up to an Antwaan Randle El role as the #3 WR and come in for trick plays. McCareins has been a big disappointment so he will be traded or cut which will leave the #3 WR spot for Steve Smith. Brad Smith isn't ready for #3 yet so in 2-3 years, look for both Smiths to move up the depth chart.

*Round 4 (Lost to 49ers for Kevan Barlow)*

Round 5- Jay Moore DE
http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics17/200/IG/IGSJHMKOKJQXNVS.20060413175217.JPG
Shaun Ellis and Kimo von Oelhoffen are getting up there in age (especially Kimo). Ellis has another 3-4 good years left and Kimo has maybe one. The Jets will need a 3-4 DE to replace them when their time is done so this is a pick that builds for the future.

Round 6a- BPA

Round 6b- BPA

Round 7- BPA

New Additions:
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http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/4453/woodleyxd0.jpghttp://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8562/okoyese6.jpghttp://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4999/hughesfx3.jpghttp://img483.imageshack.us/img483/6660/stevesmithxj8.jpghttp://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3297/moorend4.jpg

JETS5128
11-11-2006, 01:14 PM
Nice, i agree with pretty much everything

tishdog
11-12-2006, 12:24 AM
Isn't number 12 retired for Broadway Joe?
And 34 would look hot for Turner.

jets future
11-12-2006, 12:55 AM
Isn't number 12 retired for Broadway Joe?
And 34 would look hot for Turner.
my boy cedrick houstons number is 34

AlexDown
11-12-2006, 01:02 PM
Lets go Jets! Game time!

josh07039
11-12-2006, 01:30 PM
Lets go Jets! Game time!as always, i will pick the jets. I have a good feeling

josh07039
11-12-2006, 04:01 PM
I called it

JETS5128
11-12-2006, 04:03 PM
Well done

josh07039
11-12-2006, 04:04 PM
Well donethank you. As mets fans say, You Gotta Believe.

shavedaeyebrow2
11-12-2006, 04:04 PM
FINALLY WE WON!!!!!!!!! If we can beat the bears next week, we can end up being 12-4!

josh07039
11-12-2006, 04:07 PM
FINALLY WE WON!!!!!!!!! If we can beat the bears next week, we can end up being 12-4!anything is possible. They looked a lot better on both sides of the ball today, im started to get excited about this team.

jets future
11-12-2006, 04:08 PM
thats what im talkin about it was a well deserved win, another really close game that came down the wire, but shawn ellis came through. Mangini went aggresive, but that cothery td was pretty scary, i thought for a second it might have been an into but the jets played hard

Zim3031
11-12-2006, 04:09 PM
J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!


It was nice to finally see our defense bring some pressure (with the last drive an exception). Great game by Barlow too.

tishdog
11-12-2006, 04:34 PM
If we keep brining those blitz packages our defense can be very superior.

JETS5128
11-12-2006, 04:45 PM
Yeah, definetly an all around great showing, but if the giants win the bears are gonna be scary as hell next week

derza222
11-12-2006, 06:56 PM
Yeah, definetly an all around great showing, but if the giants win the bears are gonna be scary as hell next week

If the Bears win a tough one we could be in shape to get overlooked this week. We seem to always do well with inferior talent. They showed a stat that we have been in the most games decided by 8 pts or less this year, outside of the Jags game they've always been tight. Penny scares me a lot though, he really floats the ball quite a bit. Nice for Mangini to get the win over NE, the NY media would've been all over that one for years if he couldn't beat the Pats.

AlexDown
11-12-2006, 07:20 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061112/capt.c359dae3bd0d4e04ba3860ce08c20e7b.aptopix_jets _patriots_football_mass102.jpg

Jonathan_VIlma
11-12-2006, 07:22 PM
If anyone watched the line closely today, Ferguson and Mangold are going to be excellent players for years. Mangold is a nasty and dominant center. He ate Wilfork (a top 5 nose tackle) for lunch. Absolutely dominant, and he's very quick off the ball, and excellent in pass protection.

Ferguson's finnesse style of blocking worried me a lot when we drafted him, but he showed that a counter-style of running game fits him perfectly. He's able to square up and turn defenders away from the hole. He doesn't blow anyone off the ball while run blocking, but he's excellent at making angle blocks to open up holes.

We still don't have a pass rush, but FINALLY Sutton was able to disguise blitzes that actually worked. All the shifting and moving presnap was amazing for blitz packages, and really confused the Patriots offensive line all day long. Robertson got an excellent push on running plays and really made a case for trying to keep that nose tackle spot. Rhodes is going to be a dominant safety one day.

tishdog
11-12-2006, 08:52 PM
Anyone else notice that we played 4-3 today. It seemed to work out a lot better for us.

getwellchad
11-12-2006, 08:57 PM
As homerish as it sounds, I think we could make a huge playoff run if we get in. When our defense is playing well and Chad is on, we could beat anyone in the league.

Vikes99ej
11-12-2006, 09:32 PM
Can you guys tell me how Brooks Bollinger compares with Brad Johnson? Brad Johnson has a little sissy arm.

throwback54milkman
11-12-2006, 09:59 PM
a few more notes from this spectacular win.....

- Mangold is amazing; in fact the whole O-line played amazing today
- Cotch and Coles might be as good as any 1, 2 WR combo in the league given the kind of timing patterns and catches they have to make with Chad as QB
- Vilma and Dewayne look to be becoming more familiar with the 3-4 defense
- it is becoming more and more clear that Kerry Rhodes, and Justin Miller are going to be the 2 pro bowlers that represent the Jets this season (possibly mangold, coles(doubtful), and Vilma)

Gang Green
11-12-2006, 10:06 PM
Justin Miller in the pro bowl? Yes- but not as a Cornerback, he is such a beast on kick returns.

throwback54milkman
11-12-2006, 10:10 PM
Justin Miller in the pro bowl? Yes- but not as a Cornerback, he is such a beast on kick returns.

yeah obviously as a kick returner

and kerry might not make it because Reed and Lynch might both be having better seasons at safety (or have the bigger names) - but he is very well deserving

josh07039
11-12-2006, 10:15 PM
Can you guys tell me how Brooks Bollinger compares with Brad Johnson? Brad Johnson has a little sissy arm.In my mind, Bollinger compares favorably with almost every qb in the league

FlutiesDropKick
11-12-2006, 10:16 PM
Can you guys tell me how Brooks Bollinger compares with Brad Johnson? Brad Johnson has a little sissy arm.In my mind, Bollinger compares favorably with almost every qb in the league

:lol: :lol: :lol:

except of course Ray Lucas and Tom Tupa

Jonathan_VIlma
11-12-2006, 10:19 PM
Anyone else notice that we played 4-3 today. It seemed to work out a lot better for us.
No we didn't. We were in a 3-4 all day long, other then about two nickel packages in which they put four lineman on their hands.

Bollinger is similar to Chad Pennington with his touch passes, just obviously not nearly as good. He tries to place everything into the receivers hands, rather then throwing it to him. It's more of a mindset, but we've seen him air it out before and he's got the arm. He just doesnt use it.

JETS5128
11-12-2006, 11:01 PM
Yeah, definetly an all around great showing, but if the giants win the bears are gonna be scary as hell next week

If the Bears win a tough one we could be in shape to get overlooked this week. We seem to always do well with inferior talent. They showed a stat that we have been in the most games decided by 8 pts or less this year, outside of the Jags game they've always been tight. Penny scares me a lot though, he really floats the ball quite a bit. Nice for Mangini to get the win over NE, the NY media would've been all over that one for years if he couldn't beat the Pats.

LOOKIN GOOD!!

TheBoss
11-12-2006, 11:06 PM
I watched the game, and I have to say your Safetys were all over the field. Rhodes and Coleman were making plays left and right. Quite a dual. Very good win.

getwellchad
11-13-2006, 04:10 AM
I watched the game, and I have to say your Safetys were all over the field. Rhodes and Coleman were making plays left and right. Quite a dual. Very good win.
Thank you.

bearsfan_51
11-13-2006, 10:57 AM
http://my.opera.com/Bjørk/homes/albums/61112/thumbs/Mike%20Tyson.jpg_thumb.jpg


THE BEARS ARE GONNA EAT YOUR CHILDREN!!!

AlexDown
11-13-2006, 12:02 PM
http://xxx.sstwo.net/tyson.jpg


THE BEARS ARE GONNA EAT YOUR CHILDREN!!!

Might have been funny if the picture worked.

I really hope we embarrass you guys and not the other way around. I don't think I have kept it a secret that I dislike the bears. Watching the game last night, I'm prettty confident that the Jets will put up a better fight then the Giants did. Giants were hurting almost unfairly that game, and I knew that Tiki and Eli were going to have to have a hell of a game for them to win.

Grossman played well, and would have been better if he had some pass pertection from his OL. I think our D is better then the D you guys played last night. I am also suprised that Tiki had 141 rushing yards. We will see.

bearsfan_51
11-13-2006, 12:09 PM
Damn. Well it was working when I originally posted it.

The Jets are a nice team. They aren't a very good team. Congrats on beating the Pats, but I caution against getting carried away. Your defense still isn't very good, and your offense isn't scary at all. I think the Jets will play us tough as they've played everyone tough (besides the asswhooping by the Jags) but unless they really controll the ground game and create numerous turnovers (which is always very possible with Grossman) I don't think they'll win. I still personally think the Dolphins are a better team than the Jets, despite the records, but we'll see how things turn out this Sunday.

As for embaress us, that won't happen. You may beat us, but you simply don't have the talent to go out and hand it to us. Even the Cardinals are a more talented team than the Jets.

AlexDown
11-13-2006, 02:21 PM
Damn. Well it was working when I originally posted it.

The Jets are a nice team. They aren't a very good team. Congrats on beating the Pats, but I caution against getting carried away. Your defense still isn't very good, and your offense isn't scary at all. I think the Jets will play us tough as they've played everyone tough (besides the asswhooping by the Jags) but unless they really controll the ground game and create numerous turnovers (which is always very possible with Grossman) I don't think they'll win. I still personally think the Dolphins are a better team than the Jets, despite the records, but we'll see how things turn out this Sunday.

As for embaress us, that won't happen. You may beat us, but you simply don't have the talent to go out and hand it to us. Even the Cardinals are a more talented team than the Jets.

I don't see why your trying to by bringing up a team's talent. You said it yourself, tha cardinals are what, 1-8 and have supposingly have more talent then the Jets. All that matters is the score at the end of the game and nothing else.

You guys had close wins against Minnesota and Arizona while we have had close losses against the Patriots and the Colts. Personally, I think both teams are greatly benefiting from the two easiest schedules in the NFL.

I think the Jets have an as good, if not better, WR core then the Bears and I would take Pennington over Grossman. A team is only as good as the competetion they beat and looking at the best two teams the Bears have played (Seahawks - SA and Giants - most of their key players on D), I'm really not impressed. Now, I am not saying its the Bears fault for having the easiest schedule in the NFL or that injuries aren't part of the game but I am not impressed with what the Bears have accomplished at all. Thats just me.

bearsfan_51
11-13-2006, 02:26 PM
I bring up talent because teams need a certain degree of talent to blow teams out, which is what the Jets would have to do to "embarrass" us. If the Jets win 17-14, big whoop. It would be a slight upset but not shocking considering they just beat the Pats on the road. They won't, however, beat us by 20-30 points. They can't. They haven't beaten anyone by that margin and the reason why is because they aren't very talented. They don't have the ability to take it to teams and dominate them like the Bears do. They have the ability to hang around in games and eek out wins, there's nothing wrong with that at all, like I said, the win is all that counts, but the odds of a Bears blowout versus a Jets blowout is about 10 to 1.

AlexDown
11-13-2006, 03:51 PM
I bring up talent because teams need a certain degree of talent to blow teams out, which is what the Jets would have to do to "embarrass" us. If the Jets win 17-14, big whoop. It would be a slight upset but not shocking considering they just beat the Pats on the road. They won't, however, beat us by 20-30 points. They can't. They haven't beaten anyone by that margin and the reason why is because they aren't very talented. They don't have the ability to take it to teams and dominate them like the Bears do. They have the ability to hang around in games and eek out wins, there's nothing wrong with that at all, like I said, the win is all that counts, but the odds of a Bears blowout versus a Jets blowout is about 10 to 1.

It's very wishfully thinking that we will blow you guys out. I never really said more then that to emphasies this point, rather then to say I think looking at your schedule its one of the harder games your going to play if the Jets played like they did last week.

derza222
11-13-2006, 04:02 PM
Damn. Well it was working when I originally posted it.

The Jets are a nice team. They aren't a very good team. Congrats on beating the Pats, but I caution against getting carried away. Your defense still isn't very good, and your offense isn't scary at all. I think the Jets will play us tough as they've played everyone tough (besides the asswhooping by the Jags) but unless they really controll the ground game and create numerous turnovers (which is always very possible with Grossman) I don't think they'll win. I still personally think the Dolphins are a better team than the Jets, despite the records, but we'll see how things turn out this Sunday.

As for embaress us, that won't happen. You may beat us, but you simply don't have the talent to go out and hand it to us. Even the Cardinals are a more talented team than the Jets.

There are a lot of teams that are more talented than the Jets. But we play hard and are pretty well coached. I wouldn't be surprised if we win the game. Well that's a lie, I'd be surprised but not shocked. After the big, tough win against the Giants, if you guys overlook us based on our lack of talent we could sneak up and win the game. I expect a Bears win, don't get me wrong, but we do have a shot to win it. Who knows? Should be a pretty good game. And you're right, if we do win it will be close. If you win it could be close too. We really have only been in one blowout this year (against the Jags) both winning and losing. I can't wait till sunday.

derza222
11-13-2006, 04:03 PM
As homerish as it sounds, I think we could make a huge playoff run if we get in. When our defense is playing well and Chad is on, we could beat anyone in the league.

That is a HUGE if.

jets future
11-13-2006, 05:37 PM
As homerish as it sounds, I think we could make a huge playoff run if we get in. When our defense is playing well and Chad is on, we could beat anyone in the league.

That is a HUGE if.We might get into the playoffs and chad has to play consistent we can aford probably two more losses, but then again its pretty hard to get one of the wildcard spots in the afc with a 10-6 record, but hopefully we might win the division. who knows what will happen.

sweetness34
11-13-2006, 05:43 PM
As homerish as it sounds, I think we could make a huge playoff run if we get in. When our defense is playing well and Chad is on, we could beat anyone in the league.

That is a HUGE if.

Not to break up the band here but getwellchad that is a HUGE statement to make. Yes you are playing well right now, and yes you have a pretty nice team. But I'm sorry to say that you're over-hyping the Jets. I'm not bashing you guys at all here. But come on. You can beat "any team in the league" when Chad is on and if the defense is playing well? Either you've taken one to many shots to the head or you're seeing through some homer glasses.

I will say that I'm a little worried about next week. We're on the road again out east in the same place and I hope we don't overlook you guys, because if we do I think there's a chance you can beat us. But Chad is going to have to play excellent and that inconsistent running game is going to have to produce. That and you'll have to get pressure on Rex.

Good luck next week though fellas. Damn, we're back at the Meadowlands again. :cry: You guys really need to get separate stadiums sometime soon.

bigbluedefense
11-13-2006, 05:47 PM
Congratulations on the win guys. I didn't get to watch the game, and I have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering them.

1. From the highlights, it looked like you guys had great pressure. How? Was it just overload blitzing every play and hoping the man coverages held up, or was it a mixture of various techniques?

2. How did you guys do against the run? And did you come out with 8 man fronts to stop it?

3. How is Vilma maturing in the 3-4? Is he still struggling with disengaging off the blocks, or is he getting better? Is he being hindered by the scheme?

Thanks in advance.

AlexDown
11-13-2006, 05:48 PM
We beat the Patriots and have had a close game with the number one team in the league when our team is clicking. I think your the one who has "taken to many shots to the head" if you think thats such an absurd comment. I wonder how many games you have actually seen the Jets play this year.

sweetness34
11-13-2006, 05:55 PM
We beat the Patriots and have had a close game with the number one team in the league when our team is clicking. I think your the one who has "taken to many shots to the head" if you think thats such an absurd comment. I wonder how many games you have actually seen the Jets play this year.

Ok what I'm trying to get accrossed is the talk of all the "if" comments. You guys are a very nice team when things are clicking but vulnerable when you aren't. If that was the case then Cleveland could talk about if Frye could play like he did against Atlanta, if Kellen can get 100 yards and a TD a game, if Braylon can be that guy we saw last year, if Droughns can produce on the ground, and if their defense can play like they did against Atlanta then they could beat any team in the league. There are too many "ifs" with the Jets to make that statement.

Yes when their on they're a nice team, but when they aren't you see what we saw against the Browns (minus the last play of the game) or the Jags.

AlexDown
11-13-2006, 06:07 PM
We beat the Patriots and have had a close game with the number one team in the league when our team is clicking. I think your the one who has "taken to many shots to the head" if you think thats such an absurd comment. I wonder how many games you have actually seen the Jets play this year.

Ok what I'm trying to get accrossed is the talk of all the "if" comments. You guys are a very nice team when things are clicking but vulnerable when you aren't. If that was the case then Cleveland could talk about if Frye could play like he did against Atlanta, if Kellen can get 100 yards and a TD a game, if Braylon can be that guy we saw last year, if Droughns can produce on the ground, and if their defense can play like they did against Atlanta then they could beat any team in the league. There are too many "ifs" with the Jets to make that statement.

Yes when their on they're a nice team, but when they aren't you see what we saw against the Browns (minus the last play of the game) or the Jags.

lol listen for a second. I'm not going to argue about us using the word "if" after this, thats completely ridiculous. There are a lot of "ifs" for the Jets and when your team was 4-12 last year, your going to be very optomistic.

If they Jets play like they did against the Patriots, they can beat any team in the league.

If they Bears play like they did against the Cardinals, they could lose to almost any team in the league (except the Cardinals).

"Ifs" hold no water, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

sweetness34
11-13-2006, 06:12 PM
We beat the Patriots and have had a close game with the number one team in the league when our team is clicking. I think your the one who has "taken to many shots to the head" if you think thats such an absurd comment. I wonder how many games you have actually seen the Jets play this year.

Ok what I'm trying to get accrossed is the talk of all the "if" comments. You guys are a very nice team when things are clicking but vulnerable when you aren't. If that was the case then Cleveland could talk about if Frye could play like he did against Atlanta, if Kellen can get 100 yards and a TD a game, if Braylon can be that guy we saw last year, if Droughns can produce on the ground, and if their defense can play like they did against Atlanta then they could beat any team in the league. There are too many "ifs" with the Jets to make that statement.

Yes when their on they're a nice team, but when they aren't you see what we saw against the Browns (minus the last play of the game) or the Jags.

lol listen for a second. I'm not going to argue about us using the word "if" after this, thats completely ridiculous. There are a lot of "ifs" for the Jets and when your team was 4-12 last year, your going to be very optomistic.

If they Jets play like they did against the Patriots, they can beat any team in the league.

If they Bears play like they did against the Cardinals, they could lose to almost any team in the league (except the Cardinals).

"Ifs" hold no water, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

Touche. No more "ifs." Man Law. :D

JETS5128
11-13-2006, 06:17 PM
Congratulations on the win guys. I didn't get to watch the game, and I have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering them.

1. From the highlights, it looked like you guys had great pressure. How? Was it just overload blitzing every play and hoping the man coverages held up, or was it a mixture of various techniques?

2. How did you guys do against the run? And did you come out with 8 man fronts to stop it?

3. How is Vilma maturing in the 3-4? Is he still struggling with disengaging off the blocks, or is he getting better? Is he being hindered by the scheme?

Thanks in advance.

Mangini used alot of "Belichik-esqu blitz packages, confusing the S.hit out of the Pats O-line

Didn't watch Vilma, but Robertson played very well, Overall we're getting much more used to the 3-4 and playing better

Played OK against the run, alot better than last time against the Pats

AlexDown
11-13-2006, 06:22 PM
Congratulations on the win guys. I didn't get to watch the game, and I have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering them.

1. From the highlights, it looked like you guys had great pressure. How? Was it just overload blitzing every play and hoping the man coverages held up, or was it a mixture of various techniques?

2. How did you guys do against the run? And did you come out with 8 man fronts to stop it?

3. How is Vilma maturing in the 3-4? Is he still struggling with disengaging off the blocks, or is he getting better? Is he being hindered by the scheme?

Thanks in advance.

Mangini used alot of "Belichik-esqu blitz packages, confusing the S.hit out of the Pats O-line

Didn't watch Vilma, but Robertson played very well, Overall we're getting much more used to the 3-4 and playing better

Played OK against the run, alot better than last time against the Pats

I was pretty sure we used some of the 4-3 during the game also. Vilma played decent from what I saw. His stats weren't that great.

bigbluedefense
11-13-2006, 06:23 PM
Congratulations on the win guys. I didn't get to watch the game, and I have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering them.

1. From the highlights, it looked like you guys had great pressure. How? Was it just overload blitzing every play and hoping the man coverages held up, or was it a mixture of various techniques?

2. How did you guys do against the run? And did you come out with 8 man fronts to stop it?

3. How is Vilma maturing in the 3-4? Is he still struggling with disengaging off the blocks, or is he getting better? Is he being hindered by the scheme?

Thanks in advance.

Mangini used alot of "Belichik-esqu blitz packages, confusing the S.hit out of the Pats O-line

Didn't watch Vilma, but Robertson played very well, Overall we're getting much more used to the 3-4 and playing better

Played OK against the run, alot better than last time against the Pats

If you don't mind, can you elaborate? Was it zone blitzing, stunt blitzing, S blitzing, or a combination of everything. Did he just throw the kitchen sink at them?[/b]

derza222
11-13-2006, 06:40 PM
Basically on Sunday we're probably looking at a close game, and if it is a blowout (which I think is unlikely unless we have a huge letdown after the big win over the Pats) and the Bears are probably going to win it. But we have two teams who have been terrible in some games and very good in others, so either team could win it.

JETS5128
11-13-2006, 07:13 PM
Congratulations on the win guys. I didn't get to watch the game, and I have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering them.

1. From the highlights, it looked like you guys had great pressure. How? Was it just overload blitzing every play and hoping the man coverages held up, or was it a mixture of various techniques?

2. How did you guys do against the run? And did you come out with 8 man fronts to stop it?

3. How is Vilma maturing in the 3-4? Is he still struggling with disengaging off the blocks, or is he getting better? Is he being hindered by the scheme?

Thanks in advance.

Mangini used alot of "Belichik-esqu blitz packages, confusing the S.hit out of the Pats O-line

Didn't watch Vilma, but Robertson played very well, Overall we're getting much more used to the 3-4 and playing better

Played OK against the run, alot better than last time against the Pats

If you don't mind, can you elaborate? Was it zone blitzing, stunt blitzing, S blitzing, or a combination of everything. Did he just throw the kitchen sink at them?[/b]

Combination

shavedaeyebrow2
11-13-2006, 08:34 PM
Basically, the Jets just sent the Pats a different look every play. They looked like they were gunna send everyone and then the LBs would drop into coverage. The just sent different looks and that is what was so successful about the defense.

jets future
11-14-2006, 02:53 PM
common jets fans lets dont slack,
we dont want to start over again.
i am a huge penny fan but when do you guys think kellen clemons will start

AlexDown
11-14-2006, 03:19 PM
common jets fans lets dont slack,
we dont want to start over again.
i am a huge penny fan but when do you guys think kellen clemons will start

The last post was yesterday, it doesn't reset for a week.

It's spelled Clemens, and I dont think he he will ever start for the Jets unless Pennington gets hurt. Pennington is proving people wrong that he can lead this team and that he can still play the game, which was a huge doubt in the offseason by many people. We signed Ramsey just for this alone. I don't see us keeping Ramsey after his contract either.

Clemens will most likey remain backup unless Chad gets hurt.

derza222
11-14-2006, 03:55 PM
common jets fans lets dont slack,
we dont want to start over again.
i am a huge penny fan but when do you guys think kellen clemons will start

The last post was yesterday, it doesn't reset for a week.

It's spelled Clemens, and I dont think he he will ever start for the Jets unless Pennington gets hurt. Pennington is proving people wrong that he can lead this team and that he can still play the game, which was a huge doubt in the offseason by many people. We signed Ramsey just for this alone. I don't see us keeping Ramsey after his contract either.

Clemens will most likey remain backup unless Chad gets hurt.

Clemens will get the nod after next year IMO. Once he gets some polish he'll be much better than Penny. Keep in mind, Clemens looked much better than Pennington in preseason, and he has some zip on the ball. I can't wait until I don't have to watch those Pennington floaters that I'm just waiting to get picked or for a reciever get jacked up, they scare the crap out of me every time.

AlexDown
11-14-2006, 03:58 PM
common jets fans lets dont slack,
we dont want to start over again.
i am a huge penny fan but when do you guys think kellen clemons will start

The last post was yesterday, it doesn't reset for a week.

It's spelled Clemens, and I dont think he he will ever start for the Jets unless Pennington gets hurt. Pennington is proving people wrong that he can lead this team and that he can still play the game, which was a huge doubt in the offseason by many people. We signed Ramsey just for this alone. I don't see us keeping Ramsey after his contract either.

Clemens will most likey remain backup unless Chad gets hurt.

Clemens will get the nod after next year IMO. Once he gets some polish he'll be much better than Penny. Keep in mind, Clemens looked much better than Pennington in preseason, and he has some zip on the ball. I can't wait until I don't have to watch those Pennington floaters that I'm just waiting to get picked or for a reciever get jacked up, they scare the crap out of me every time.

How many years is Pennington paid for / under contract?
Why fix whats not broken? Pretty sure we made the Coles - Moss trade not just because both were unhappy.

Jonathan_VIlma
11-14-2006, 04:56 PM
Vilma is becoming much better at stepping up and filling gaps, something he wasn't use to earlier in the year. He's still a dominant player in pass coverage, and the Pats rarely across the middle of the field, because he takes it away. If any teams are going to beat us, it's going to have to be deep down the middle or way outside, because we're way too good up the middle in terms of pass defense.

They also moved him around and the whole defense. There was so much motion before the Jets blitzes, and even when they dropped there was a **** load of motion. Both coaches are using motion to confuse the opposition (as Schottenheimer uses a lot of motion as well). This is not a dominant team at all, but as said before if they play like we played against the Patsies, then we sure can be a dominant team.

It's going to take scheming, but on paper, we're not dominant. We don't have the players. After looking at how the coaching staff covers up weaknesses, then I'd bet we can be dominant as long as they continue to fit the scheme around the team, not the team around the scheme, atleast for this year.

And why do you drop Pennington, and give Clemens the starting job? Pennington is still the heart and soul of this football team. Barring another injury or a complete breakdown in the second half of the season, Clemens will have to work his ass off to impress with a collapse of Pennington to get the starting job.

Whether his passes scare you or not, he's still one of the top quarterbacks in terms of accuracy. He can fit balls in places few NFL quarterbacks can, and make passes few NFL quarterbacks can. Both his interceptions in Cleveland were flukes. If you didn't read the weather report, there were 25-30 mile an hour winds and his ball to McCareins just got caught by the wind. The other was off a tipped pass, so other then the Jacksonville game, he hasn't had a bad game in terms of decision making. And after seeing him drop those two swing passes in to Coles and Tim Dwight on the sidelines, I'm convinced that arm strength is one of the most overrated elements for a quarterback.

TCU
11-14-2006, 07:02 PM
How sick is my boy Drew Coleman

Zim3031
11-14-2006, 07:13 PM
How sick is my boy Drew Coleman

Well he absolutely blew in coverage and was getting burned on swing passes, and that 31 second touchdown drive made him look like a fool.

BUT, he did force a huge turnover that was a big momentum swing early in the game

jetvilma51
11-14-2006, 08:36 PM
How sick is my boy Drew Coleman

Well he absolutely blew in coverage and was getting burned on swing passes, and that 31 second touchdown drive made him look like a fool.

BUT, he did force a huge turnover that was a big momentum swing early in the game

and he had a pick that was called back from a bs flag

tishdog
11-15-2006, 02:16 PM
Guys check out Yahoo Sports. We made the front headline and are number 10 on the power rankings.

derza222
11-15-2006, 02:27 PM
common jets fans lets dont slack,
we dont want to start over again.
i am a huge penny fan but when do you guys think kellen clemons will start

The last post was yesterday, it doesn't reset for a week.

It's spelled Clemens, and I dont think he he will ever start for the Jets unless Pennington gets hurt. Pennington is proving people wrong that he can lead this team and that he can still play the game, which was a huge doubt in the offseason by many people. We signed Ramsey just for this alone. I don't see us keeping Ramsey after his contract either.

Clemens will most likey remain backup unless Chad gets hurt.

Clemens will get the nod after next year IMO. Once he gets some polish he'll be much better than Penny. Keep in mind, Clemens looked much better than Pennington in preseason, and he has some zip on the ball. I can't wait until I don't have to watch those Pennington floaters that I'm just waiting to get picked or for a reciever get jacked up, they scare the crap out of me every time.

How many years is Pennington paid for / under contract?
Why fix whats not broken? Pretty sure we made the Coles - Moss trade not just because both were unhappy.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the switch now, I just get scared watching Pennington play sometimes. Maybe not after next year, but before the 09-10 season I think we see a switch. Clemens is a good quarterback in his own right and I think by then we will start seeing some problems with Pennington and a switch will be in order. Not saying he needs to be switched if he continues to play well because obviously he shouldn't be switched if he is playing well, but he's shown signs of inconsistency this year and that can only increase over time. The 09-10 season would have Pennington starting the rest of this year, and 2 years after. I just think by then he will start to regress enough that a switch will make sense for the team. In no way do I want a switch now. That is only if Pennington stays healthy though, and odds are we see Clemens at some point during the middle of the regular season in the next two years due to an injury.

JETS5128
11-15-2006, 04:42 PM
common jets fans lets dont slack,
we dont want to start over again.
i am a huge penny fan but when do you guys think kellen clemons will start

The last post was yesterday, it doesn't reset for a week.

It's spelled Clemens, and I dont think he he will ever start for the Jets unless Pennington gets hurt. Pennington is proving people wrong that he can lead this team and that he can still play the game, which was a huge doubt in the offseason by many people. We signed Ramsey just for this alone. I don't see us keeping Ramsey after his contract either.

Clemens will most likey remain backup unless Chad gets hurt.

Clemens will get the nod after next year IMO. Once he gets some polish he'll be much better than Penny. Keep in mind, Clemens looked much better than Pennington in preseason, and he has some zip on the ball. I can't wait until I don't have to watch those Pennington floaters that I'm just waiting to get picked or for a reciever get jacked up, they scare the crap out of me every time.

How many years is Pennington paid for / under contract?
Why fix whats not broken? Pretty sure we made the Coles - Moss trade not just because both were unhappy.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the switch now, I just get scared watching Pennington play sometimes. Maybe not after next year, but before the 09-10 season I think we see a switch. Clemens is a good quarterback in his own right and I think by then we will start seeing some problems with Pennington and a switch will be in order. Not saying he needs to be switched if he continues to play well because obviously he shouldn't be switched if he is playing well, but he's shown signs of inconsistency this year and that can only increase over time. The 09-10 season would have Pennington starting the rest of this year, and 2 years after. I just think by then he will start to regress enough that a switch will make sense for the team. In no way do I want a switch now. That is only if Pennington stays healthy though, and odds are we see Clemens at some point during the middle of the regular season in the next two years due to an injury.

agreed

AlexDown
11-15-2006, 04:59 PM
After the season, they will look to lock up WR Jerricho Cotchery to a long-term contract. He's signed through 2007, but is due to make only $460,000 in his final year.

JETS5128
11-15-2006, 05:15 PM
After the season, they will look to lock up WR Jerricho Cotchery to a long-term contract. He's signed through 2007, but is due to make only $460,000 in his final year.

Good move, he's part of the next generation of star recievers

jets future
11-15-2006, 06:28 PM
After the season, they will look to lock up WR Jerricho Cotchery to a long-term contract. He's signed through 2007, but is due to make only $460,000 in his final year.
yup i like cotchery, and i love the move. hope fully the jets dont pull a chad morton

Zim3031
11-15-2006, 06:31 PM
After the season, they will look to lock up WR Jerricho Cotchery to a long-term contract. He's signed through 2007, but is due to make only $460,000 in his final year.

Am I the only one that sees a little Anquan Boldin in him when he plays? Or am I just silly?

derza222
11-15-2006, 06:37 PM
After the season, they will look to lock up WR Jerricho Cotchery to a long-term contract. He's signed through 2007, but is due to make only $460,000 in his final year.

Am I the only one that sees a little Anquan Boldin in him when he plays? Or am I just silly?

I don't think he's quite at the Boldin level but yeah, I can see what you're saying, they're similar players (at least in my opinion). I don't think Cotchery will ever be an elite guy but he'll always be a very, very good WR. Love the move though, Cotchery is one of my favorite Jets. What a pick in the fourth round, the Jets have had a ton of success in rounds 4-6. Coleman (*2), Rhodes, Smith, Cotchery, Washington, Houston...

throwback54milkman
11-15-2006, 08:48 PM
I love the coles, cotchery combo at WR, although they might not be the 2 most talented WRs or best for that matter, they are perfect for Pennington, because they make the tough catches and are not afraid to go over the middle

Also Tim Dwight has been nice in the Wayne Chrebet role this season

We haven't seen much from Mccariens this season, i guess he's an OK 3rd receiver.

And finally I would like to see Brad Smith actually play WR some, I think he just has 3 catches this season, maybe give him a pass deep where he can show off his speed- I don't like him lined up in the backfield.

Ravens1991
11-16-2006, 09:26 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9805285

Dewayne Robertson defensive player of the week, is Dewayne your DT?

AlexDown
11-16-2006, 04:47 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9805285

Dewayne Robertson defensive player of the week, is Dewayne your DT?

Hes a DE that game.

He has been putting up some pretty good numbers.

derza222
11-16-2006, 09:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9805285

Dewayne Robertson defensive player of the week, is Dewayne your DT?

Hes a DE that game.

He has been putting up some pretty good numbers.

Yeah I'm pretty sure all his tackles but one were a yard downfield or less and the farthest downfield he made a tackle was like 3 yds. He's been playing well of late, coaching staff has praised his play and versatility.

Moltar
11-17-2006, 07:58 PM
I was positive that when Mangini came to New York that he would put Robertson at DE, but that didn't happen, hopefully he can start there next year if the team can find a solid nose tackle in the draft or free agency.

FlutiesDropKick
11-19-2006, 11:31 AM
I was positive that when Mangini came to New York that he would put Robertson at DE, but that didn't happen, hopefully he can start there next year if the team can find a solid nose tackle in the draft or free agency.

anyone know what noses will be availible in free agency potentially this year

Moltar
11-19-2006, 12:44 PM
This game hasn't been much fun so far.

derza222
11-19-2006, 01:32 PM
Great defense today, hopefully the defense keeps it up and we can make some good adjustments at the half. We need to start finishing drives off, we were moving the ball so well early in the half and couldn't put points up on the board.

sweetness34
11-19-2006, 02:52 PM
Great defense today, hopefully the defense keeps it up and we can make some good adjustments at the half. We need to start finishing drives off, we were moving the ball so well early in the half and couldn't put points up on the board.

Agreed. You should have at least had 3, maybe 6 points. But credit our defense to stepping up and forcing those turnovers.

Good game though guys. I knew it was going to be tough; and I though both teams played well. That onside kick by Mangina was dumb. Gave us momentum and a short field.

Good luck the rest of the way!

JETS5128
11-19-2006, 03:06 PM
Meh, both the picks were just terrible decisions by pennington

sweetness34
11-19-2006, 03:08 PM
Meh, both the picks were just terrible decisions by pennington

Both picks were caused by pressure; which caused the bad throw.

JETS5128
11-19-2006, 03:09 PM
Meh, both the picks were just terrible decisions by pennington

Both picks were caused by pressure; which caused the bad throw.

Not the endzone one :?

sweetness34
11-19-2006, 03:16 PM
Meh, both the picks were just terrible decisions by pennington

Both picks were caused by pressure; which caused the bad throw.

Not the endzone one :?

Wale was coming off the edge on that one. I think Chad rushed it because he felt the pressure from outside.

Regardless though; it was a good read by Urlacher and a bad throw by Chad. Brian basically stared down Pennington and read his eyes. He had Coles WIDE OPEN on that play.

JETS5128
11-19-2006, 03:32 PM
Meh, both the picks were just terrible decisions by pennington

Both picks were caused by pressure; which caused the bad throw.

Not the endzone one :?

Wale was coming off the edge on that one. I think Chad rushed it because he felt the pressure from outside.

Regardless though; it was a good read by Urlacher and a bad throw by Chad. Brian basically stared down Pennington and read his eyes. He had Coles WIDE OPEN on that play.

Yeah Urlacher read chad like a book. But even without Urlacher he was still throwing into double coverage

Zim3031
11-19-2006, 04:19 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

josh07039
11-19-2006, 05:19 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.I agree, its Clemens time. Pennington has been so inconsistent this year. We should try clemens in late game scenarios where we need to go deep, or where we are losing big.

AlexDown
11-19-2006, 05:23 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.I agree, its Clemens time. Pennington has been so inconsistent this year. We should try clemens in late game scenarios where we need to go deep, or where we are losing big.

Were 5-5 right now with still a chance to make the playoffs beacuse of our schedule. Starting a rookie will not, I repeat, will not give us the best chance to make the playoffs. Pennington, even though inconsistent, gives us the best chance to make it to the post season.

josh07039
11-19-2006, 05:28 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.I agree, its Clemens time. Pennington has been so inconsistent this year. We should try clemens in late game scenarios where we need to go deep, or where we are losing big.

Were 5-5 right now with still a chance to make the playoffs beacuse of our schedule. Starting a rookie will not, I repeat, will not give us the best chance to make the playoffs. Pennington, even though inconsistent, gives us the best chance to make it to the post season.I guess ur right, I'm just so depressed from every team i like losing this weekend. I'm emotionally wrought, I got nothing left.

Zim3031
11-19-2006, 05:46 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.I agree, its Clemens time. Pennington has been so inconsistent this year. We should try clemens in late game scenarios where we need to go deep, or where we are losing big.

Were 5-5 right now with still a chance to make the playoffs beacuse of our schedule. Starting a rookie will not, I repeat, will not give us the best chance to make the playoffs. Pennington, even though inconsistent, gives us the best chance to make it to the post season.

You're right, that's probably true.

However, over the last 6 games, Pennington sucks. It's the only to describe it. He physically can't throw the ball more than 10 yards. And throughout this entire game we NEVER threw the ball more than 20 yards. And once again it isn't just this game, Chad has gotten progressively worse as the year goes on.

And the only things that he has had going for him are his accuracy and decision making. They don't exist anymore. He has more interceptions than he does touchdowns. That's not how Chad Pennington is supposed to play.

Chad isn't the future, there's no way that this team could possibly win the super bowl with him on the team. Not when the five yard dump off is the only thing our offense can do.

I'm not definately sold on throwing Clemens in there now; it is probably too early, but Chad is making it hard not to.

derza222
11-19-2006, 06:31 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.I agree, its Clemens time. Pennington has been so inconsistent this year. We should try clemens in late game scenarios where we need to go deep, or where we are losing big.

Were 5-5 right now with still a chance to make the playoffs beacuse of our schedule. Starting a rookie will not, I repeat, will not give us the best chance to make the playoffs. Pennington, even though inconsistent, gives us the best chance to make it to the post season.

You're right, that's probably true.

However, over the last 6 games, Pennington sucks. It's the only to describe it. He physically can't throw the ball more than 10 yards. And throughout this entire game we NEVER threw the ball more than 20 yards. And once again it isn't just this game, Chad has gotten progressively worse as the year goes on.

And the only things that he has had going for him are his accuracy and decision making. They don't exist anymore. He has more interceptions than he does touchdowns. That's not how Chad Pennington is supposed to play.

Chad isn't the future, there's no way that this team could possibly win the super bowl with him on the team. Not when the five yard dump off is the only thing our offense can do.

I'm not definately sold on throwing Clemens in there now; it is probably too early, but Chad is making it hard not to.

I don't think throwing Clemens in there is going to do much, but I don't see why we can't put him in the game if we need to throw a deep ball at the end of the game or let him play some garbage time to see what we've got. Pennington gives us the best shot to make the playoffs, but in reality against playoff defenses his arm just doesn't cut it, and when they bring pressure he makes bad decisions.

FlutiesDropKick
11-19-2006, 06:37 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.I agree, its Clemens time. Pennington has been so inconsistent this year. We should try clemens in late game scenarios where we need to go deep, or where we are losing big.

Were 5-5 right now with still a chance to make the playoffs beacuse of our schedule. Starting a rookie will not, I repeat, will not give us the best chance to make the playoffs. Pennington, even though inconsistent, gives us the best chance to make it to the post season.

You're right, that's probably true.

However, over the last 6 games, Pennington sucks. It's the only to describe it. He physically can't throw the ball more than 10 yards. And throughout this entire game we NEVER threw the ball more than 20 yards. And once again it isn't just this game, Chad has gotten progressively worse as the year goes on.

And the only things that he has had going for him are his accuracy and decision making. They don't exist anymore. He has more interceptions than he does touchdowns. That's not how Chad Pennington is supposed to play.

Chad isn't the future, there's no way that this team could possibly win the super bowl with him on the team. Not when the five yard dump off is the only thing our offense can do.

I'm not definately sold on throwing Clemens in there now; it is probably too early, but Chad is making it hard not to.

I don't think throwing Clemens in there is going to do much, but I don't see why we can't put him in the game if we need to throw a deep ball at the end of the game or let him play some garbage time to see what we've got. Pennington gives us the best shot to make the playoffs, but in reality against playoff defenses his arm just doesn't cut it, and when they bring pressure he makes bad decisions.

PUT IN BRAD SMITH!!!

sweetness34
11-19-2006, 06:44 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

derza222
11-19-2006, 06:47 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

Chad doesn't have an arm at all. In the first half I think we outplayed you, in the second half we were probably outplayed but not by a ton. One big play by Bradley and a stupid onsides kick call basically was your scoring. In general outside of those two plays you guys were better but not that much better over the course of the half. Rex did settle down a bit though.

Zim3031
11-19-2006, 06:51 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

The Bears had -1 passing yards in the first half. -1!! How on Earth is that playing well? The Bears gave the Jets every chance to win this game.

throwback54milkman
11-19-2006, 07:20 PM
A few notes from today's disapointing loss:

Positives:
-Kerry Rhodes is an absolute beast, best Jets safety i've seen in a while
-Oline was really good again today, even the right side is improving
-Dewayne Robertson follows up last weeks big week with another good game; i think we have to see how this season plays out before we throw him out of town
-Ced Houston with a good comeback this week
-Tim Dwight has clearly developed as the team's #3 receiver and is a nice punt returner also

Negatives:
-Chad obviously has to step up his game for the Jets to make the playoffs
-Drew Coleman sucks
-I think the coaching staff had their first bad game of the season- called many plays (like the inside handoff out of shotgun) that weren't working, and the onside kick was not smart. Also it is clear that Mangini has NO confidence in Nugent from over 50 yds.- the coaches will be fine though
-Kevan Barlow did nothing to follow up his stellar week last week, even though he had few opportunities



Overall, not the worst loss for the Jets, we can still make the playoffs, but I am a little worried about the Bills and Dolphins who are right on our tail and are playing well. The best cure for this loss would to be for us to hand a nice 14 point loss to the Texans next week.

sweetness34
11-19-2006, 08:45 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

The Bears had -1 passing yards in the first half. -1!! How on Earth is that playing well? The Bears gave the Jets every chance to win this game.

Which is why you play 2 halfs in Football, not one. And TJ ripped you guys for about 70 yards in the first half; and Benson had about 30. Rex actually had about 20 yards in the first half (not counting the sack yardage).

The first half was a stalemate, you guys may have had a little bit of an edge in play but not much, both teams were pretty stagnant. The 2nd Half we won which is why we won the game.

We took advantages of our opportunities and you didn't. We made the plays to win the game and you didn't. It was that simple.

josh07039
11-19-2006, 09:29 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

The Bears had -1 passing yards in the first half. -1!! How on Earth is that playing well? The Bears gave the Jets every chance to win this game.

Which is why you play 2 halfs in Football, not one. And TJ ripped you guys for about 70 yards in the first half; and Benson had about 30. Rex actually had about 20 yards in the first half (not counting the sack yardage).

The first half was a stalemate, you guys may have had a little bit of an edge in play but not much, both teams were pretty stagnant. The 2nd Half we won which is why we won the game.

We took advantages of our opportunities and you didn't. We made the plays to win the game and you didn't. It was that simple.I hate agreeing with a fan of the team that just beat us, but its that simple. The Bears did what they needed to win, we did not. In the first half they played poorly, we couldn't execute. In the second half, they didn't play their best game, but they played well enough to beat us, they made just enough plays.

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
11-19-2006, 10:13 PM
we need a new Quarterback

josh07039
11-19-2006, 10:16 PM
we need a new Quarterbackeh i dont know bout that, i mean we have clemens waiting in the wings we don't need someone new.

frogstomp
11-20-2006, 02:07 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

What? The Bears played like crap for a team the quality of the Bears. Are you telling me that an 8-1 team should squeak out a win against a 5-4 team who admittedly got there by an easy schedule?

I mean, the Jets aren't a pushover, but if the Bears are having a *good* game, it should have been by more than 10 points...

Moltar
11-20-2006, 03:13 PM
Well, with our schedule the way it looks, our record should at least be 8-8 and at the most 11-5 obviously. I think we will go 9-7 probably with losses to either the Packers, Dolphins or Vikings. If we win out we can probably take the 5th spot in the conference or if the Pats lose to 3 teams we could take the division. If the Dolphins finish as strong as they did last year it is very possible that we take the division with the Pats losing to the Dolphins, Jaguars and Bears being their losable games. The only way I see us making the playoffs is the Dolphins beat the Pats in week 14 and then we beat them in week 16. If we lose one more game, especially if it is to the Dolphins, the playoffs aren't much of an option. The only way we make it is if we finish 5-1 in the division at 11-5 and the Pats go 11-5 and have a 4-2 divisional record with a loss vs. the Dolphins. Lets hope.

derza222
11-20-2006, 04:43 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

The Bears had -1 passing yards in the first half. -1!! How on Earth is that playing well? The Bears gave the Jets every chance to win this game.

Which is why you play 2 halfs in Football, not one. And TJ ripped you guys for about 70 yards in the first half; and Benson had about 30. Rex actually had about 20 yards in the first half (not counting the sack yardage).

The first half was a stalemate, you guys may have had a little bit of an edge in play but not much, both teams were pretty stagnant. The 2nd Half we won which is why we won the game.

We took advantages of our opportunities and you didn't. We made the plays to win the game and you didn't. It was that simple.

Jones "ripped" us for 55 in the first half, not 70, which is still very good but not amazing and not like he completely tore us to shreds. Plus 17 of those came on his third and long run with the fumble review, which meant nothing since you just punted the next play. Benson had 26. We definitely had the edge in the first half, in total yards of offense we had a 81 yard edge at 141-60, more than double what you had. We actually put a few drives together. It's frustrating because we really did outplay you in the first half and then handed you the momentum after halftime and you got 10 points and the win. We got outplayed in the second half because you had the momentum on your side, and plus you could just sit back and hand it off and milk the clock because we can't stop the run. Grossman did better in the second half, but he only completed 50% of his passes! Plus he got about 1/3 of his yards because Bradley made a nice play after the catch because we can't tackle. If we took an early lead like we should have and forced you to throw the ball things may have been different and at least the game would have been more respectable, and if we didn't turn the ball over who knows.

As far as the playoffs go, I know Pennington gives us our best shot to win but I just don't see us going to the playoffs right now with him playing quarterback with the lack of consistency he has shown.

FlutiesDropKick
11-20-2006, 07:57 PM
i tried calling this comment into WFAN during my luch period but couldn't get through. When the score is 0-0 how can you not trust your kicker, who was consistant from that range in college, from 52 yards and later i think from 50. If he was taken in the 2nd round i hope he's capable of making one.

derza222
11-20-2006, 08:40 PM
i tried calling this comment into WFAN during my luch period but couldn't get through. When the score is 0-0 how can you not trust your kicker, who was consistant from that range in college, from 52 yards and later i think from 50. If he was taken in the 2nd round i hope he's capable of making one.

He's been a disappointment for me. His career long is like 49...I thought he was supposed to be a lock to solidify a team's kicking game for a decade and he certainly hasn't done that at all.

bearsfan_51
11-20-2006, 08:44 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

What? The Bears played like crap for a team the quality of the Bears. Are you telling me that an 8-1 team should squeak out a win against a 5-4 team who admittedly got there by an easy schedule?

I mean, the Jets aren't a pushover, but if the Bears are having a *good* game, it should have been by more than 10 points...
If we win, it's a good game. If we lose, it was a bad game.

frogstomp
11-20-2006, 09:37 PM
Pennington played like utter garbage today. He couldn't hit anybody that was more than 5 yards away and even then he missed a lot. I'm getting very close to calling for Clemens.

The Bears did not play well at all, we had a chance to win it.

We didn't play well? Hmm I guess I missed the boat on that one. Sure we didn't play great but we played very well in the 2nd Half.

Btw, I honestly thought Chad a stronger arm then what I saw today. But my god. Talk about a flutter ball on the deep throws.

What? The Bears played like crap for a team the quality of the Bears. Are you telling me that an 8-1 team should squeak out a win against a 5-4 team who admittedly got there by an easy schedule?

I mean, the Jets aren't a pushover, but if the Bears are having a *good* game, it should have been by more than 10 points...
If we win, it's a good game. If we lose, it was a bad game.

So you think the Bears played up to their potential? Hell, up to 50% of their potential?

I'm not insulting the Bears at all... I'm saying that if they had played a good game, they would have beat us even worse.

Gang Green
11-20-2006, 09:58 PM
Why not put him in?

I mean look at this! He is better than Leinart and Young-right?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yFGucgncvYo

I would just feel bad benching Chad because of what he has done for the Jets. Anyone have actual footage of Clemens playing?

FlutiesDropKick
11-20-2006, 10:42 PM
Why not put him in?

I mean look at this! He is better than Leinart and Young-right?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yFGucgncvYo

I would just feel bad benching Chad because of what he has done for the Jets. Anyone have actual footage of Clemens playing?

Merril Hodge was on record as saying Leinart was at best a 2nd rounder because of arm strength and VY was a late round developmental....WR at best. Its just because they weren't "factor backs". Basically on ESPN's 2007 draft coverage Merril will be plugging Brian Leonard for the entire first round.

nvot9
11-21-2006, 06:34 PM
Guys, does Leon Washington have any nicknames or catch phrases? Like "Neon" ? I need it for a sig.

Thanks.

jets future
11-21-2006, 07:11 PM
when we firsted drafted leon washington i called him neon leon, but then i thought he is no where neon deion so i just stop callin him that, but now neon leon is pretty sweat.

shavedaeyebrow2
11-22-2006, 09:19 PM
bottom of the list! :shock:

draftguru151
11-22-2006, 09:46 PM
bottom of the list! :shock:

It's where you belong. :twisted:

TCU
11-23-2006, 12:04 AM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.

tishdog
11-23-2006, 02:03 AM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.
He got raped this week for a TD.

TCU
11-23-2006, 02:20 PM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.
He got raped this week for a TD.

i didnt see it :roll:

Jonathan_VIlma
11-23-2006, 08:07 PM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.
He got raped this week for a TD.
Despite the fact that he did have that play against Bradley, we lose that game anyway. We threw it away on turnovers. The Bears weren't overly impressive, but they capitalized. I hate to credit the shift of momentum to referees calls, but Thomas Jones' review was cleary a fumble. The ball was moving before he hit the ground.

Not to mention Coleman has been a nice addition, as a sixth rounder, but we need to get a new winger on punts. Brad Smith is good, but Coleman is rather clueless as to where the balls going. Not to mention I remember Graham booting a 75 yarder, and Coleman illegally touched it, just to down it.

AlexDown
11-23-2006, 10:39 PM
D'Brickashaw is going to be playing against Mario Williams this weekend.

How do you think they will do against each other?

bearsfan_51
11-23-2006, 11:08 PM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.
He got raped this week for a TD.
They shouldn't have left him out on an island with a speedy guy like Bradley in the first place. That's what happens when you blitz on every play, eventually you raped.

TCU
11-24-2006, 10:57 AM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.
He got raped this week for a TD.
They shouldn't have left him out on an island with a speedy guy like Bradley in the first place. That's what happens when you blitz on every play, eventually you raped.

yeah definilty.

tishdog
11-24-2006, 06:37 PM
Anyone else impressed with how Hobson has been playing. I just read an article about it in the Ledger.

Jonathan_VIlma
11-25-2006, 05:37 PM
check the sick Drew Coleman avator.
He got raped this week for a TD.
They shouldn't have left him out on an island with a speedy guy like Bradley in the first place. That's what happens when you blitz on every play, eventually you raped.
Well this is exactly why the Jets need to improve their front seven. They have safeties and corners that can cover, but not only did we have Justin Miller and Drew Coleman, a clueless coverman and a 6th round rookie out there, at one point, but we had to bring Rhodes up. We can't pressure the quarterback without blitzing.

We have to gamble to stop the run, and blitz to put pressure on the quarterback, because our secondary can't cover receivers for ten seconds. Teams just double Ellis up front and we have no one else that can get to the passer.

I like Hobson, but he's also playing good in a contract year. His more natural position is ILB in the 3-4, and he's one of the best one on one tacklers in the league. That was his wrap coming out of Michigan. His problem coming out of college was getting to the tailbacks. He now just has to take on blocks and drop into coverage which suits his strength. The problem is, he loses outside leverage on run players to the strongside and that's why the run defense struggles at times, because runners can get to the outside when running to the strongside.

TCU
11-26-2006, 12:49 AM
Drew Coleman will get a pick this week. Im calling first right here.

jets future
11-26-2006, 10:44 AM
we got to win this game, chad needs to come up big today,

FlutiesDropKick
11-26-2006, 02:52 PM
Drew Coleman will get a pick this week. Im calling first right here.

hasn't happened yet but his best chance is in this scrambling must throw offense of the Texans right now.

ALso just wanted to comment on the fact last week i was outraged by the Jets refusal to trot out Nugent for a 50 and 52 yard FG but he has a 54 today so they may have had a better shot last week if they just trusted him.

jets future
11-26-2006, 05:07 PM
that was a good game i like pennington, he is the man, i like his attitude, he never gives. i was so dam hapy when he got back up and he started to hype up the jets. We played a good game. This guy kerry rhodes is really nasty he shows he can play for the into, and the sack,

TCU
11-26-2006, 06:29 PM
did Drew Coleman even play?

throwback54milkman
11-26-2006, 06:47 PM
A few notes from today's solid win over the Texans:

Positives:
-Chad bounced back nicely but I wouldn't get carried away because it was the Texans, it's a start though
-Cotch and Coles continue to impress
-Kerry Rhodes is definately the DMVP of this team
-D'Brick pretty much owned Mario today
-the pass rush was great today, but again it's against the Texans
-Mike Nugent!!
-The Giants lost!!!!!! hahahahaha


Negatives:
-Kevan Barlow has struggled lately and Ced Houston should take most of his carries from here on in


Overall, a really really impressive win that showed that the Jets are a good team- now let's see them consistently play this well so we can get into the playoffs


And just think, whenever Chad is playing badly, just look at the other NY team and think things could be worse, at least we don't have Eli.

jetvilma51
11-26-2006, 07:15 PM
did Drew Coleman even play?

yea he played a little but he didnt start

jets future
11-26-2006, 07:27 PM
A few notes from today's solid win over the Texans:

Positives:
-Chad bounced back nicely but I wouldn't get carried away because it was the Texans, it's a start though
-Cotch and Coles continue to impress
-Kerry Rhodes is definately the DMVP of this team
-D'Brick pretty much owned Mario today-the pass rush was great today, but again it's against the Texans
-Mike Nugent!!
-The Giants lost!!!!!! hahahahaha


Negatives:
-Kevan Barlow has struggled lately and Ced Houston should take most of his carries from here on in


Overall, a really really impressive win that showed that the Jets are a good team- now let's see them consistently play this well so we can get into the playoffs


And just think, whenever Chad is playing badly, just look at the other NY team and think things could be worse, at least we don't have Eli.
except the play mario got that hit on chad, on that play mario owned da brick, that hit could of ended chads season, and probably his career

Gang Green
11-26-2006, 07:28 PM
Best part of the game. I am not sure who was annoucning today, was it Ian Eagle? Anyway, Kerry Rhodes picks it off and the Whitest Man in the Universe states, "And what did I tell you? Kerry Rhodes is a baller!" I started cracking up.

There is no reason that we should not win the rest of our games.

Green Bay
Buffalo
Vikings
Dolphins
Raiders

This is good because the Chiefs still have to play Baltimore, San Diego, and Jacksonville.

The Broncos have to play the Seahawks, Bengals, Chargers, and 49ers.

If we continue to win, we will get in.

jets future
11-26-2006, 07:46 PM
i know a lot of these commetators are like using slang terminology, its mad funny, i frogot what game i was watching but the coimmentator was like"he is always ballin on game day"
we have a good schedule from now on, but the teams that we are fighting for a playoff spot are really good, like jacksonville,cincinati, kc, denver.
but those teams have tougher schedule than us, hope fully we can take advantage

Gang Green
11-26-2006, 09:26 PM
Who is going to the draft this year? I went last year and it was awesome.

jets future
11-26-2006, 09:30 PM
Who is going to the draft this year? I went last year and it was awesome.
its too early to say i most likely wont make it, i want to go to the nba draft so i can be one of those loud noisy knick fans that get interviewed and feel disapointed at the knicks pick

PalmerToCJ
11-27-2006, 02:06 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?

josh07039
11-27-2006, 02:33 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?He is a straight up beast.

derza222
11-27-2006, 03:52 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?

He's better than the stats indicate. I mean it could be argued that he's the best player on our defense, he's played better than anyone else this year by a large margin IMO. I have no idea how he slipped to the 4th round.

josh07039
11-27-2006, 03:58 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?

He's better than the stats indicate. I mean it could be argued that he's the best player on our defense, he's played better than anyone else this year by a large margin IMO. I have no idea how he slipped to the 4th round.what do u mean by it could be argued. He is without a doubt the best player on our D, as much as I love vilma, i have to admit it.

I think he slipped to the 4th, because he was bad in coverage, but don't quote me on that.

derza222
11-27-2006, 04:02 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?

He's better than the stats indicate. I mean it could be argued that he's the best player on our defense, he's played better than anyone else this year by a large margin IMO. I have no idea how he slipped to the 4th round.what do u mean by it could be argued. He is without the best player on our D, as much as I love vilma, i have to admit it.

I think he slipped to the 4th, because he was bad in coverage, but don't quote me on that.

Just trying to be diplomatic. I'm not as blunt as you are Josh.

And I'm pretty sure he slipped to the 4th because of concerns he wasn't physical enough. If I'm right he was a ballhawk in college but started off as a QB so there were questions about tackling and whatnot. He's certainly answered those this year, he gets a ton of tackles and is one of the best blitzing safeties in the league.

By the way, that play where he faked the blitz and dropped into coverage and picked the deep out to Johnson was sick.

PalmerToCJ
11-27-2006, 05:48 PM
Cool, I was just wondering because he's top in a lot of the saftey stats and there is very little mention of him by the media... Considering I haven't seen him play I didn't know if he was like our backup saftey Kaeshviharn who leads in INT's among safties and 3rd in sacks but he really isn't that good.

P.S. I hope you all don't interfere with my Bengals playoff hopes 8)

derza222
11-27-2006, 06:39 PM
Cool, I was just wondering because he's top in a lot of the saftey stats and there is very little mention of him by the media... Considering I haven't seen him play I didn't know if he was like our backup saftey Kaeshviharn who leads in INT's among safties and 3rd in sacks but he really isn't that good.

P.S. I hope you all don't interfere with my Bengals playoff hopes 8)

He's really not a Kaeshviharn, he's really versatile. Seems like a lot of Kaesviharn's picks are to ice games or during garbage time. Kerry's big plays come at good times and really change momentum for us. Plus, since we're in more close games than Cincy the turnovers or big plays on defense really mean a lot. He's good in coverage and can hit pretty well. Solid up in the box and a really good blitzer. Seems to be all over the place to me, whenever there's a fumble or something he's right there forcing it or diving on it. Also he's a really good ballhawk in coverage and gets some nice picks. Seems like he's getting more comfortable in the defense too. Before his pick yesterday he faked a blitz and dropped into coverage, Carr couldn't see him because he was faking a handoff, and when he turned and threw it Rhodes was right there, it was a really awesome play. Great athlete, really gets up on some high balls, one of his interceptions this year (who it was against slipped my mind) was really impressive, great display of athletic ability. Can't say enough about him, he's really the star of our defense and my favorite player on the team.

FlutiesDropKick
11-27-2006, 07:41 PM
i know a lot of these commetators are like using slang terminology, its mad funny, i frogot what game i was watching but the coimmentator was like"he is always ballin on game day"

says the guy who used the phrase "mad funny" :lol:

josh07039
11-27-2006, 08:12 PM
i know a lot of these commetators are like using slang terminology, its mad funny, i frogot what game i was watching but the coimmentator was like"he is always ballin on game day"

says the guy who used the phrase "mad funny" :lol:To use the terminology of our day, you just got served.

josh07039
11-27-2006, 10:44 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?

He's better than the stats indicate. I mean it could be argued that he's the best player on our defense, he's played better than anyone else this year by a large margin IMO. I have no idea how he slipped to the 4th round.what do u mean by it could be argued. He is without the best player on our D, as much as I love vilma, i have to admit it.

I think he slipped to the 4th, because he was bad in coverage, but don't quote me on that.

Just trying to be diplomatic. I'm not as blunt as you are Josh.

And I'm pretty sure he slipped to the 4th because of concerns he wasn't physical enough. If I'm right he was a ballhawk in college but started off as a QB so there were questions about tackling and whatnot. He's certainly answered those this year, he gets a ton of tackles and is one of the best blitzing safeties in the league.

By the way, that play where he faked the blitz and dropped into coverage and picked the deep out to Johnson was sick.I don't know how to take it, but NFL.com's prospect profile suggests that Rhodes was considered to be "Best when stepping up in the box to make plays on the ball near the line of scrimmage." But also suggests he is athletic enough to provide good coverage and snatch the ball out of the air. So I don't really know what that means in terms of why he fell.

11-27-2006, 11:15 PM
-D'Brick pretty much owned Mario today

i call bullsh*t on this...

from PFW: "Texans DE Mario Williams squared off with Jets OLT D’Brickashaw Ferguson — two top-five picks last year — and did not record a sack, but he continually ragdolled Ferguson and worked his way into the backfield, leaving Chad Pennington on the ground for an extended stay one time after hitting him hard and landing on top of him."

there was ownage transpiring, you just have it backwards...

throwback54milkman
11-28-2006, 11:58 AM
-D'Brick pretty much owned Mario today

i call bullsh*t on this...

from PFW: "Texans DE Mario Williams squared off with Jets OLT D’Brickashaw Ferguson — two top-five picks last year — and did not record a sack, but he continually ragdolled Ferguson and worked his way into the backfield, leaving Chad Pennington on the ground for an extended stay one time after hitting him hard and landing on top of him."

there was ownage transpiring, you just have it backwards...

I wouldn't say Mario owned D'brick- no sacks, one good play where he wasn't even the first one to get to Pennington, and Pennington looked comfortable in the pocket all day. Also Mario wasn't just going against D'brick all day, so maybe we'll compromise and call it a draw- both players will turn out to be studs.

derza222
11-28-2006, 02:21 PM
I haven't watched a single Jets game but is Kerry Rhodes playing as well as his stats indicate?

He's better than the stats indicate. I mean it could be argued that he's the best player on our defense, he's played better than anyone else this year by a large margin IMO. I have no idea how he slipped to the 4th round.what do u mean by it could be argued. He is without the best player on our D, as much as I love vilma, i have to admit it.

I think he slipped to the 4th, because he was bad in coverage, but don't quote me on that.

Just trying to be diplomatic. I'm not as blunt as you are Josh.

And I'm pretty sure he slipped to the 4th because of concerns he wasn't physical enough. If I'm right he was a ballhawk in college but started off as a QB so there were questions about tackling and whatnot. He's certainly answered those this year, he gets a ton of tackles and is one of the best blitzing safeties in the league.

By the way, that play where he faked the blitz and dropped into coverage and picked the deep out to Johnson was sick.I don't know how to take it, but NFL.com's prospect profile suggests that Rhodes was considered to be "Best when stepping up in the box to make plays on the ball near the line of scrimmage." But also suggests he is athletic enough to provide good coverage and snatch the ball out of the air. So I don't really know what that means in terms of why he fell.

Out of USA Today a brief mention of Rhodes pre-draft: Kerry Rhodes Louisville 6-3 209 Nice range, speed. But is he tough enough?

Also I really don't trust NFL.com too much. Do you have a link to the scouting report?

I'd really be interested in what Scott thought of him predraft to be honest. But I knew I read somewhere that his toughness at safety was questioned, I hadn't read the USA Today report but at least that shows that there were questions somewhere, that probably wasn't the only place that questioned his toughness either. And I was sure that coverage, or at least his speed and ability to be a deep center field type, weren't in question.


Completely different note, what do you guys want to look at as far as needs go on draft day? I'd kind of like a number one corner if we can swing one, as well as an elite DE/OLB if available in the first.

Anybody know anything about Darrelle Revis, corner out of Pitt? Purdue DE Anthony Spencer intrigues me as well.

AlexDown
11-28-2006, 03:55 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/11/28/playoff.race/1.html

Interesting article on the 10 players that could decided playoff chances for their teams.

10. Jonathan Vilma: The New York Jets inside linebacker has ranked among the league leaders in tackles all season but he's also been producing in a 3-4 system that doesn't play to his strengths. At 6-foot-1 and 230 pounds, Vilma doesn't have the prototypical size to take on guards and centers in that scheme and opposing teams have exploited that fact at various times this year. If the surprising Jets are going to stay in contention, he'll have to keep playing at his best for a defense that really doesn't have adequate personnel for the 3-4.

derza222
11-28-2006, 04:04 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/11/28/playoff.race/1.html

Interesting article on the 10 players that could decided playoff chances for their teams.

10. Jonathan Vilma: The New York Jets inside linebacker has ranked among the league leaders in tackles all season but he's also been producing in a 3-4 system that doesn't play to his strengths. At 6-foot-1 and 230 pounds, Vilma doesn't have the prototypical size to take on guards and centers in that scheme and opposing teams have exploited that fact at various times this year. If the surprising Jets are going to stay in contention, he'll have to keep playing at his best for a defense that really doesn't have adequate personnel for the 3-4.

I was actually just going to comment on that same article, it was very interesting. Nice find. Hopefully Vilma continues to tough it out in the 3-4 and gets better in the years to come.

Zim3031
11-28-2006, 04:44 PM
D'Brick gave up a hit that could've ended Chad's career. He was anything but great on Sunday.

throwback54milkman
11-28-2006, 09:15 PM
Upcoming draft:

It looks like now that Dewayne is playing much much better, DE/OLB is the biggest need for next year (even though Hobson is also playing better). LaMarr Woodley seems to be the obvious pick, but does he fit the Mangini mold of tough, smart, hard-working players?? If so, I think he will be the pick come April.

JETS5128
11-28-2006, 09:50 PM
I really really really like Brian Smith but he's probably a day 2 pick because of his injury. So i think either corner or RB in rounds 1 and 2, then someone like Carriker with rou 2nd 2nd :lol:. Then either a downfield threat or Guard in round 3 and Smith in round 4

throwback54milkman
11-29-2006, 02:49 PM
When is Brad Smith gonna throw a pass???? We've heard about his passing ability since the draft, and he hasn't even attempted a throw once this season.

AlexDown
11-29-2006, 02:53 PM
When is Brad Smith gonna throw a pass???? We've heard about his passing ability since the draft, and he hasn't even attempted a throw once this season.

Would be interesting to see him do a Randle El type of play once this season.

frogstomp
11-29-2006, 04:24 PM
When is Brad Smith gonna throw a pass???? We've heard about his passing ability since the draft, and he hasn't even attempted a throw once this season.

Would be interesting to see him do a Randle El type of play once this season.

They're saving it for the playoffs. :P

derza222
11-29-2006, 04:34 PM
Upcoming draft:

It looks like now that Dewayne is playing much much better, DE/OLB is the biggest need for next year (even though Hobson is also playing better). LaMarr Woodley seems to be the obvious pick, but does he fit the Mangini mold of tough, smart, hard-working players?? If so, I think he will be the pick come April.

Wouldn't be surprised if we went with a corner in round 1 either. I just wonder if Woodley has the speed to play 3-4 OLB. I mentioned it before, Anthony Spencer from Purdue intrigues me. For some reason I think we're going to go after him (or a corner) in the first. Don't ask me why, just a gut feeling.

Zim3031
11-29-2006, 04:39 PM
We don't need a corner. Our secondary is getting burned from time to time because we are forced to blitz so often, because of our weak front seven. If anything, our seconday is our strong point. Ray Mcdonald from Florida I think would make an excellent DE in our system. I would love to pick him up in the second round.

I wouldn't rule out runningback either. Especially if a Marshawn Lynch type were to be there.

derza222
11-29-2006, 05:20 PM
We don't need a corner. Our secondary is getting burned from time to time because we are forced to blitz so often, because of our weak front seven. If anything, our seconday is our strong point. Ray Mcdonald from Florida I think would make an excellent DE in our system. I would love to pick him up in the second round.

I wouldn't rule out runningback either. Especially if a Marshawn Lynch type were to be there.

Has nothing to do with our secondary getting burned, I just think our corners are weak. In my opinion we don't have two starting corners on this team, Dyson is the only one. Miller is not a good corner by any stretch of the imagination, and Coleman just doesn't have what it takes to start in the league IMO, too insconsistant and not big enough. I just think we could use another starter and if we can find a good value we should definitely go for it.

throwback54milkman
11-29-2006, 08:04 PM
We don't need a corner. Our secondary is getting burned from time to time because we are forced to blitz so often, because of our weak front seven. If anything, our seconday is our strong point. Ray Mcdonald from Florida I think would make an excellent DE in our system. I would love to pick him up in the second round.

I wouldn't rule out runningback either. Especially if a Marshawn Lynch type were to be there.

Has nothing to do with our secondary getting burned, I just think our corners are weak. In my opinion we don't have two starting corners on this team, Dyson is the only one. Miller is not a good corner by any stretch of the imagination, and Coleman just doesn't have what it takes to start in the league IMO, too insconsistant and not big enough. I just think we could use another starter and if we can find a good value we should definitely go for it.


how about instead of drafting a CB, we sign one of the NE cornerbacks who are free agents this year, either G a y or Samuel. They probably both know Mangini well and we could probably pay them more than the Pats would be willing to.

derza222
11-29-2006, 09:16 PM
We don't need a corner. Our secondary is getting burned from time to time because we are forced to blitz so often, because of our weak front seven. If anything, our seconday is our strong point. Ray Mcdonald from Florida I think would make an excellent DE in our system. I would love to pick him up in the second round.

I wouldn't rule out runningback either. Especially if a Marshawn Lynch type were to be there.

Has nothing to do with our secondary getting burned, I just think our corners are weak. In my opinion we don't have two starting corners on this team, Dyson is the only one. Miller is not a good corner by any stretch of the imagination, and Coleman just doesn't have what it takes to start in the league IMO, too insconsistant and not big enough. I just think we could use another starter and if we can find a good value we should definitely go for it.


how about instead of drafting a CB, we sign one of the NE cornerbacks who are free agents this year, either G a y or Samuel. They probably both know Mangini well and we could probably pay them more than the Pats would be willing to.

I have no problem with getting a cornerback through FA or trade, don't know how much they'll want though I don't wanna overpay anyone. Draft is always nice though. As long as they're young and we don't overpay (in a trade or contract amount) I'm good with however we get them though.

josh07039
11-29-2006, 10:00 PM
We don't need a corner. Our secondary is getting burned from time to time because we are forced to blitz so often, because of our weak front seven. If anything, our seconday is our strong point. Ray Mcdonald from Florida I think would make an excellent DE in our system. I would love to pick him up in the second round.

I wouldn't rule out runningback either. Especially if a Marshawn Lynch type were to be there.

Has nothing to do with our secondary getting burned, I just think our corners are weak. In my opinion we don't have two starting corners on this team, Dyson is the only one. Miller is not a good corner by any stretch of the imagination, and Coleman just doesn't have what it takes to start in the league IMO, too insconsistant and not big enough. I just think we could use another starter and if we can find a good value we should definitely go for it.


how about instead of drafting a CB, we sign one of the NE cornerbacks who are free agents this year, either G a y or Samuel. They probably both know Mangini well and we could probably pay them more than the Pats would be willing to.

I have no problem with getting a cornerback through FA or trade, don't know how much they'll want though I don't wanna overpay anyone. Draft is always nice though. As long as they're young and we don't overpay (in a trade or contract amount) I'm good with however we get them though.We do need something at CB. I am overly loyal, but I still am holding hope that Justin Miller turns it around and becomes a solid cb.

derza222
11-30-2006, 02:43 PM
We don't need a corner. Our secondary is getting burned from time to time because we are forced to blitz so often, because of our weak front seven. If anything, our seconday is our strong point. Ray Mcdonald from Florida I think would make an excellent DE in our system. I would love to pick him up in the second round.

I wouldn't rule out runningback either. Especially if a Marshawn Lynch type were to be there.

Has nothing to do with our secondary getting burned, I just think our corners are weak. In my opinion we don't have two starting corners on this team, Dyson is the only one. Miller is not a good corner by any stretch of the imagination, and Coleman just doesn't have what it takes to start in the league IMO, too insconsistant and not big enough. I just think we could use another starter and if we can find a good value we should definitely go for it.


how about instead of drafting a CB, we sign one of the NE cornerbacks who are free agents this year, either G a y or Samuel. They probably both know Mangini well and we could probably pay them more than the Pats would be willing to.

I have no problem with getting a cornerback through FA or trade, don't know how much they'll want though I don't wanna overpay anyone. Draft is always nice though. As long as they're young and we don't overpay (in a trade or contract amount) I'm good with however we get them though.We do need something at CB. I am overly loyal, but I still am holding hope that Justin Miller turns it around and becomes a solid cb.

Aren't we all hoping Miller turns it around? I just think at this point we can't expect it and if we get a shot to pick somebody up thats a good value we have to do it. Get some competition, light a fire under his ass maybe, I don't care as long as we have a decent starting pair of corners. I think we've got 2 number 3's a 3/4 and a 1/2 corner on this team, so getting another guy who is a legit starter would be nice.

bigbluedefense
11-30-2006, 02:53 PM
Upcoming draft:

It looks like now that Dewayne is playing much much better, DE/OLB is the biggest need for next year (even though Hobson is also playing better). LaMarr Woodley seems to be the obvious pick, but does he fit the Mangini mold of tough, smart, hard-working players?? If so, I think he will be the pick come April.

Wouldn't be surprised if we went with a corner in round 1 either. I just wonder if Woodley has the speed to play 3-4 OLB. I mentioned it before, Anthony Spencer from Purdue intrigues me. For some reason I think we're going to go after him (or a corner) in the first. Don't ask me why, just a gut feeling.

I like Anthony Spencer alot. Right now he's a round 2 range, but his stock can skyrocket depending on his combine. Ive been very critical of Lamar Woodley's lack of burst and speed as a whole throught the year, its really gonna take some weight loss and an impressive 40 time for me to believe that he can be an elite player at the next level.

Im still surprised that you guys didn't bite on Mark Andersen this past draft. When I saw him fall I thought for sure you guys would draft him as a rushbacker, but it never happened. He fell to the 5th round! I was shocked, he wouldve been a good project for the Jets, and I think he wouldve been successful too.

I think a FS like Reggie Nelson would be the perfect compliment to Rhodes in that secondary.

derza222
11-30-2006, 03:22 PM
Upcoming draft:

It looks like now that Dewayne is playing much much better, DE/OLB is the biggest need for next year (even though Hobson is also playing better). LaMarr Woodley seems to be the obvious pick, but does he fit the Mangini mold of tough, smart, hard-working players?? If so, I think he will be the pick come April.

Wouldn't be surprised if we went with a corner in round 1 either. I just wonder if Woodley has the speed to play 3-4 OLB. I mentioned it before, Anthony Spencer from Purdue intrigues me. For some reason I think we're going to go after him (or a corner) in the first. Don't ask me why, just a gut feeling.

I like Anthony Spencer alot. Right now he's a round 2 range, but his stock can skyrocket depending on his combine. Ive been very critical of Lamar Woodley's lack of burst and speed as a whole throught the year, its really gonna take some weight loss and an impressive 40 time for me to believe that he can be an elite player at the next level.

Im still surprised that you guys didn't bite on Mark Andersen this past draft. When I saw him fall I thought for sure you guys would draft him as a rushbacker, but it never happened. He fell to the 5th round! I was shocked, he wouldve been a good project for the Jets, and I think he wouldve been successful too.

I think a FS like Reggie Nelson would be the perfect compliment to Rhodes in that secondary.

Nelson would definitely be a nice compliment to Rhodes, depending on who's available I could see us going in that direction. That said, safety is probably the best postion on our defense. I still think we need another starting caliber corner on our D as well. At the same time, the front 7 needs help so we don't have to blitz as much and leave our corners on an island. It's tough with so many needs, but at the same time its nice because we have so many directions we can go in on draft day we could almost (almost) pick the best defensive player available.

throwback54milkman
11-30-2006, 03:48 PM
Idk if anybody saw the article in the Star Ledger today, but it said Barlow is out of the 3 RB rotation, and that Leon Washington and Ced Houston will only split the carries- idk how much truth there is to this, but it is very interesting considering the game Barlow had against the Pats.

derza222
11-30-2006, 03:57 PM
Idk if anybody saw the article in the Star Ledger today, but it said Barlow is out of the 3 RB rotation, and that Leon Washington and Ced Houston will only split the carries- idk how much truth there is to this, but it is very interesting considering the game Barlow had against the Pats.

Yeah I did see that. I'm not sure if I really dislike the move, he did have a great game against the Pats but hasn't really done too much. In my opinion, Houston is the best back we have anyway so now that we have him back those two can split carries. I'm sure its tough for Pennington to come up with audibles with 3 completely different backs behind him, it seems like sometimes the play we run would be perfect for Washington but we have Barlow in the backfield and it goes for a loss, so hopefully it helps that. All in all I hope Houston gets the bulk of the carries and Washington gets touches on draws, outside runs, and screens to take advantage of his speed, agility, and receiving ability.

tishdog
11-30-2006, 07:47 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b135/tishd0g/leonadr.jpg



would you guys like that?

josh07039
11-30-2006, 07:58 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b135/tishd0g/leonadr.jpg



would you guys like that?You know I especially would. As I have previously stated, I would quite literally cry with joy.

Zim3031
11-30-2006, 08:09 PM
I think I'd be more excited that Derrick Blaylock would be off to take 23 :wink:

But seriously I would love to have Brian Leonard.

frogstomp
11-30-2006, 11:06 PM
Damn Bengals... I usually love them, but if they keep winning, we'll never get in. :(

AlexDown
12-01-2006, 12:15 AM
Damn Bengals... I usually love them, but if they keep winning, we'll never get in. :(

If we we this weekend, we will be 7-5 also.

frogstomp
12-01-2006, 12:50 PM
Damn Bengals... I usually love them, but if they keep winning, we'll never get in. :(

If we we this weekend, we will be 7-5 also.

Well, their conference record is one half game better than ours... so if we both win out, regardless of Denver and KC, we don't make it.

shavedaeyebrow2
12-01-2006, 03:08 PM
Upcoming draft:

It looks like now that Dewayne is playing much much better, DE/OLB is the biggest need for next year (even though Hobson is also playing better). LaMarr Woodley seems to be the obvious pick, but does he fit the Mangini mold of tough, smart, hard-working players?? If so, I think he will be the pick come April.

Wouldn't be surprised if we went with a corner in round 1 either. I just wonder if Woodley has the speed to play 3-4 OLB. I mentioned it before, Anthony Spencer from Purdue intrigues me. For some reason I think we're going to go after him (or a corner) in the first. Don't ask me why, just a gut feeling.

I like Anthony Spencer alot. Right now he's a round 2 range, but his stock can skyrocket depending on his combine. Ive been very critical of Lamar Woodley's lack of burst and speed as a whole throught the year, its really gonna take some weight loss and an impressive 40 time for me to believe that he can be an elite player at the next level.

Im still surprised that you guys didn't bite on Mark Andersen this past draft. When I saw him fall I thought for sure you guys would draft him as a rushbacker, but it never happened. He fell to the 5th round! I was shocked, he wouldve been a good project for the Jets, and I think he wouldve been successful too.

I think a FS like Reggie Nelson would be the perfect compliment to Rhodes in that secondary.

I don't know why people are already giving up on Erik Coleman? He had 100 tackles last season! I know stats aren't everything, but that is impressive. He has been great and had a great game last week. There is no way we take a Safety unless we move him to CB.

shavedaeyebrow2
12-01-2006, 03:11 PM
Just saw we resigned Bryan Thomas to a 5 year contract.
ESPN.com has learned that the extension can be worth as much as $25 million and it includes $9 million in guarantees.
I'm pretty happy with it. He played very well this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2682516

frogstomp
12-01-2006, 03:20 PM
I don't know why people are already giving up on Erik Coleman? He had 100 tackles last season! I know stats aren't everything, but that is impressive. He has been great and had a great game last week. There is no way we take a Safety unless we move him to CB.

Coleman is a beast. We have no reason to draft a safety in the next 6-7 years.

derza222
12-01-2006, 04:45 PM
Just saw we resigned Bryan Thomas to a 5 year contract.
ESPN.com has learned that the extension can be worth as much as $25 million and it includes $9 million in guarantees.
I'm pretty happy with it. He played very well this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2682516[/code]

I'm also very happy with the contract extension. Considering we have him locked up, does anyone think we take a 3-4 OLB in the first round next year anymore? I still would like to see Brian Smith day 2 but in light of the extension I'm not thinking we draft a rush linebacker in the first.

I'd love to have Brian Leonard on our football team.

It's tough to give up on Coleman I know and I love the guy, but I don't know if Nelson means we're giving up on Coleman. I just think we go with the best defensive player available (outside of a rush OLB) and Nelson could do a lot of things for this defense. Keep in mind he's versatile (a CB/S tweener I believe, although better suited for S) which is a good fit for the defense. I wouldn't want a pure safety but if he was the best defensive player available and we could move him around a lot I wouldn't really mind him as opposed to some other guys we could take. Depending on how Ced finishes out the year I could handle a RB in round 1 although I hope he shows enough to take the starting job. Plus I'd rather take Leonard in the second. An offensive lineman wouldn't be bad, but I'd rather not take one to be honest. Defense round 1, we can get a lineman with one of our two second rounders or our third IMO. Just my thoughts.

Zim3031
12-01-2006, 04:48 PM
I like the Thomas resigning, it's his first year in the system and he's constantly getting better. Now all we need to do is get the other Thomas over here

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2005-12/20805608.jpg

:mrgreen:

derza222
12-01-2006, 04:52 PM
I like the Thomas resigning, it's his first year in the system and he's constantly getting better. Now all we need to do is get the other Thomas over here

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2005-12/20805608.jpg

:mrgreen:


Thomas is nasty, LOVE to pick him up in the offseason. He'd bring a whole new aspect to this defense, and I think Mangini would really be able to use him very well.

shavedaeyebrow2
12-01-2006, 11:07 PM
I think after we got Thomas for the extension, we either go CB, RB, RT, or DE. At CB, there are a lot of good CBs in this draft that could should go first round, so it looks like we'll be able to choose which we want. For RB, if Lynch is there, we get him. If not we can choose between Irons or Bush (too early for both though). For RT, we def. need a RT but I doubt we go Oline two years in a row. and the for DE, only DE we take is Alan Branch. In later rounds we can look other ways but Rd. 1 the only guy we'd take would be Branch.

AMJets
12-01-2006, 11:36 PM
I think after we got Thomas for the extension, we either go CB, RB, RT, or DE. At CB, there are a lot of good CBs in this draft that could should go first round, so it looks like we'll be able to choose which we want. For RB, if Lynch is there, we get him. If not we can choose between Irons or Bush (too early for both though). For RT, we def. need a RT but I doubt we go Oline two years in a row. and the for DE, only DE we take is Alan Branch. In later rounds we can look other ways but Rd. 1 the only guy we'd take would be Branch.

Jets won't take a CB in the early rounds. There's a reason the Patriots don't take CBs early in the draft, or sign them to big money deals. They are basically interchangable in the Belichick/Mangini system.

derza222
12-02-2006, 11:49 AM
I think after we got Thomas for the extension, we either go CB, RB, RT, or DE. At CB, there are a lot of good CBs in this draft that could should go first round, so it looks like we'll be able to choose which we want. For RB, if Lynch is there, we get him. If not we can choose between Irons or Bush (too early for both though). For RT, we def. need a RT but I doubt we go Oline two years in a row. and the for DE, only DE we take is Alan Branch. In later rounds we can look other ways but Rd. 1 the only guy we'd take would be Branch.

I think Lynch is gone by the time we pick. If he's not we take him, but not as much because RB is a huge need for us as we don't have one legit starter at the position (although we aren't doing too poorly running the ball) and Lynch is an amazing RB prospect not only as a runner but as a receiver. I really don't think we take another guy in the first.

If some RT prospect comes along that is a real first round guy then I wouldn't mind going for him as building in the trenches is always nice. That said, I don't see anybody worth a first round pick at this point. That can obviously change as we get closer to the draft, but as of right now I don't see anybody worth picking.

At defensive end, I agree with you completely, word for word. (I basically agree with everything, but I have absolutely nothing to add for end those are my thoughts exactly).

Corner seems like a good position to take. We really don't have 2 starting caliber guys on this team (my opinion) so a corner in the first works for me. Perhaps Pats history works against it, but there are a bunch of corners that should go in our range and its a need so its a logical postion to look at.

By the way, if we're looking at Pats history a TE would make sense. Not saying I want one, but based on what they've done I could see it happening.

I guess there aren't really many positions we're set at. I'd like to go with not quite a BPA strategy but something along those lines. If an elite guy slips down to us at any position I'd take him. Perfect example is safety. We're pretty set at safety, but if Landry slips down to our spot in the first I wouldn't mind picking him up (we'd be pretty sick at safety, and you're not going to get anybody that makes close to the same impact as Landry where we're drafting). Trading down would be good too. At quarterback I really don't see anything happening with Clemens, and after signing Thomas I don't see a rush LB getting drafted. But the best player available out of corner, DL (that fits our scheme), LB (same as DL, and has to fit a need too, maybe a OLB opposite Thomas, not an ILB though because Vilma is our coverage guy and we can pick up a thumper for the run game later), OL (not a LT or C), or RB should be our pick. If there's an elite (ELITE) safety or WR (more of a speed WR than anything), so basically just Ginn or Landry, then we could go there. But otherwise we may as well take the guy thats going to make a huge impact since we are solid so many places but elite so few. Just my 2 cents. And I could be making and oversight here s o if you disagree feel free to tell me that im being stupid.

josh07039
12-02-2006, 12:05 PM
I dont know if rb is necessary round 1 is we are able to take leonard round 2 because not only is he a really good blocker, I think he should be able to improve the running game by running 10 times a game or so.

AlexDown
12-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Whats the contract situation on our RBs?

L.Washington
C.Houston
K.Barlow
C.Martin

AlexDown
12-03-2006, 12:06 PM
Lets get the job done here. Every game is a must win.

josh07039
12-03-2006, 12:18 PM
Lets get the job done here. Every game is a must win.We got this.

FlutiesDropKick
12-03-2006, 02:38 PM
i'm gonna go out on a limb and say we won this one and it looks like the Pats will lose to the Lions :D If we could beat the ******* Browns we'd be itied for the division lead in a few minutes!

AlexDown
12-03-2006, 02:41 PM
i'm gonna go out on a limb and say we won this one and it looks like the Pats will lose to the Lions :D If we could beat the *********** Browns we'd be itied for the division lead in a few minutes!

I don't think we would have beat the Pats if we won that game. Just a gut feeling.

FlutiesDropKick
12-03-2006, 03:44 PM
i'm gonna go out on a limb and say we won this one and it looks like the Pats will lose to the Lions :D If we could beat the *********** Browns we'd be itied for the division lead in a few minutes!

I don't think we would have beat the Pats if we won that game. Just a gut feeling.

well it don't matter now, Pats pulled it out their ass

throwback54milkman
12-03-2006, 06:44 PM
AMAZING game today!!!!

We gotta win out though, and goddam stop Willis Mcgahee next week (something we don't do very well)

AlexDown
12-03-2006, 06:47 PM
AMAZING game today!!!!

We gotta win out though, and goddam stop Willis Mcgahee next week (something we don't do very well)

lol yea what does he average like 110 yards against us or something ridiculous like that.

Jonathan_VIlma
12-03-2006, 07:22 PM
Does everyone see my point as to why the Jets don't need a runningback?

We have three legit runners. Barlow in goal line and bad weather situations, Houston as the power runner, and Washington as the pass catcher.

The Jets made the mistake of drafting Blair Thomas years ago when they had a bunch of runningbacks they wanted to run with a comittee under Coslet. Don't make the same mistake again.

We need another 3-4 end/nose tackle. We need to add another guard as Kendall's replacement. And we could use a right tackle. I think with Bryan Thomas' recent emergence, and signing, Justin Blalock and Levi Brown are looking more and more believeable in the first round if we can't get a Frank Okam, Alan Branch or Adam Carikker (who will be a second rounder anyway) type of player early on.

We need to keep building through the trenches. Right now, we're winning games without much help from the defensive line. If we can add another solid player or two we'll be very good on the defensive line.

JETS5128
12-03-2006, 08:58 PM
Does everyone see my point as to why the Jets don't need a runningback?

We have three legit runners. Barlow in goal line and bad weather situations, Houston as the power runner, and Washington as the pass catcher.

The Jets made the mistake of drafting Blair Thomas years ago when they had a bunch of runningbacks they wanted to run with a comittee under Coslet. Don't make the same mistake again.

We need another 3-4 end/nose tackle. We need to add another guard as Kendall's replacement. And we could use a right tackle. I think with Bryan Thomas' recent emergence, and signing, Justin Blalock and Levi Brown are looking more and more believeable in the first round if we can't get a Frank Okam, Alan Branch or Adam Carikker (who will be a second rounder anyway) type of player early on.

We need to keep building through the trenches. Right now, we're winning games without much help from the defensive line. If we can add another solid player or two we'll be very good on the defensive line.

I concur

josh07039
12-03-2006, 10:23 PM
Does everyone see my point as to why the Jets don't need a runningback?

We have three legit runners. Barlow in goal line and bad weather situations, Houston as the power runner, and Washington as the pass catcher.

The Jets made the mistake of drafting Blair Thomas years ago when they had a bunch of runningbacks they wanted to run with a comittee under Coslet. Don't make the same mistake again.

We need another 3-4 end/nose tackle. We need to add another guard as Kendall's replacement. And we could use a right tackle. I think with Bryan Thomas' recent emergence, and signing, Justin Blalock and Levi Brown are looking more and more believeable in the first round if we can't get a Frank Okam, Alan Branch or Adam Carikker (who will be a second rounder anyway) type of player early on.

We need to keep building through the trenches. Right now, we're winning games without much help from the defensive line. If we can add another solid player or two we'll be very good on the defensive line.

I concurI agree that we don't need a 1st day runningback if we get Brian Leonard to handle blocking and some carries a game.

throwback54milkman
12-03-2006, 10:59 PM
for next year:

What do you guys think about moving Dewayne to DE and drafting a big 3-4 NT that will demand double teams. Nothing against Dewayne, I think he's actually playing pretty well, but the LBs are too good not to be making more plays (especially Vilma). If we could for example have Alan Branch in the middle, Vilma will have more space to roam around and do his thing. I love the offense, I would be thrilled to have the same starters next year (even the right side of the o-line is playing well now, and Green Bay has a good Dline).


Just 1 question- Why didn't Mangini bring in Clemens or Ramsey in the 4th quarter?? I know I'm nitpicking a little bit, but just imagine the criticism he would have taken if Pennington got hurt.

AlexDown
12-03-2006, 11:08 PM
for next year:

What do you guys think about moving Dewayne to DE and drafting a big 3-4 NT that will demand double teams. Nothing against Dewayne, I think he's actually playing pretty well, but the LBs are too good not to be making more plays (especially Vilma). If we could for example have Alan Branch in the middle, Vilma will have more space to roam around and do his thing. I love the offense, I would be thrilled to have the same starters next year (even the right side of the o-line is playing well now, and Green Bay has a good Dline).


Just 1 question- Why didn't Mangini bring in Clemens or Ramsey in the 4th quarter?? I know I'm nitpicking a little bit, but just imagine the criticism he would have taken if Pennington got hurt.

Not sure if you turned off the game after the 3rd, but there was a big momentum swing in the 4th. They forced an INT and and onsides kick. While they did not capitalize on these, I was still worried there for a second.

Also, I don't really understand your logic about taking out your starters in the 4th. Do most 6-5 teams going for the playoffs do that? Or is it just about how big of a lead we had, because I still woulden't have made a switch at a position especially important as QB.

vilma
12-03-2006, 11:23 PM
for the draft if no elite prospects slip down to us I wouldnt be opposed to trade out of rd. 1 for a 2nd this yr and a 1st next yr.
As far as players we would draft with our 3 2nd rd picks:

Dre Moore DE Maryland...if he declares he would prob be avilable here. Very raw but big(6-5, 320) and fast (4.8). He would be a great fit at DE in our system.

Brian Leonard FB Rutgers...This is like adding a RB to go along with thunder and lightening (houston and leon). Would be a great fit in any offense because he is so versitile and can do so many things.

with the 3rd 2nd rd pick I would be looking at avilable corners (Cason, Hughes) or pass rushers (spencer) who might be avilable. Maybe a good TE prospect falls down here. If not im content to trade the pick for a #3 this yr and a #2 next yr.

Adding talent and stockpiling picks.

bearsfan_51
12-03-2006, 11:31 PM
Haha..you beat the monkey **** out of the Packers. 8)

throwback54milkman
12-03-2006, 11:40 PM
Haha..you beat the monkey *********** out of the Packers. 8)

:D :D

frogstomp
12-04-2006, 12:36 AM
for next year:

What do you guys think about moving Dewayne to DE and drafting a big 3-4 NT that will demand double teams. Nothing against Dewayne, I think he's actually playing pretty well, but the LBs are too good not to be making more plays (especially Vilma). If we could for example have Alan Branch in the middle, Vilma will have more space to roam around and do his thing. I love the offense, I would be thrilled to have the same starters next year (even the right side of the o-line is playing well now, and Green Bay has a good Dline).


Just 1 question- Why didn't Mangini bring in Clemens or Ramsey in the 4th quarter?? I know I'm nitpicking a little bit, but just imagine the criticism he would have taken if Pennington got hurt.

Not sure if you turned off the game after the 3rd, but there was a big momentum swing in the 4th. They forced an INT and and onsides kick. While they did not capitalize on these, I was still worried there for a second.

Also, I don't really understand your logic about taking out your starters in the 4th. Do most 6-5 teams going for the playoffs do that? Or is it just about how big of a lead we had, because I still woulden't have made a switch at a position especially important as QB.

That was completely to be expected. They were at home, and had the crap beat out of them. We had a huge lead, and not really too much to play for. I'm surprised they only got one touchdown the whole second half.

marks01234
12-04-2006, 08:51 AM
Just wanted to say how good of a #2 WR Jerricho Cotchery has developed into. As an NC State fan, it is great seeing him put up some great numbers for you guys this year. He's gotten absolutely no publicly but I'm sure that is the way he likes it. Still though, he's one of the biggest rising stars in the league.

portermvp84
12-04-2006, 09:05 AM
Jets have suprised me this season, I thought they werer gonna be worse this season. They proved me wrong big time.

Naked Jehuty
12-04-2006, 12:02 PM
Jets have suprised me this season, I thought they werer gonna be worse this season. They proved me wrong big time.

A lot of people are forgeting that last year when we went 4-12 we were playing with our #3 quarterback the majority of the season. No team can be good when that happens. So I never believed we were as bad as most people thought coming into this season.

derza222
12-04-2006, 12:04 PM
for next year:

What do you guys think about moving Dewayne to DE and drafting a big 3-4 NT that will demand double teams. Nothing against Dewayne, I think he's actually playing pretty well, but the LBs are too good not to be making more plays (especially Vilma). If we could for example have Alan Branch in the middle, Vilma will have more space to roam around and do his thing. I love the offense, I would be thrilled to have the same starters next year (even the right side of the o-line is playing well now, and Green Bay has a good Dline).


Just 1 question- Why didn't Mangini bring in Clemens or Ramsey in the 4th quarter?? I know I'm nitpicking a little bit, but just imagine the criticism he would have taken if Pennington got hurt.

We should probably look for a good NT, but nobody really elite is available for this draft. Branch is not a NT in a 3-4, he'd play DE.

frogstomp
12-04-2006, 01:31 PM
Jets have suprised me this season, I thought they werer gonna be worse this season. They proved me wrong big time.

A lot of people are forgeting that last year when we went 4-12 we were playing with our #3 quarterback the majority of the season. No team can be good when that happens. So I never believed we were as bad as most people thought coming into this season.

Well, we did have Vinny as well. :P

portermvp84
12-04-2006, 01:50 PM
I forgot about how bad injuries killed you guys.

vilma
12-04-2006, 11:27 PM
Jets have suprised me this season, I thought they werer gonna be worse this season. They proved me wrong big time.

A lot of people are forgeting that last year when we went 4-12 we were playing with our #3 quarterback the majority of the season. No team can be good when that happens. So I never believed we were as bad as most people thought coming into this season.

but in the offseason we lost 4 perenial pro bowlers in Law, Abraham, Martin, and Mawae. Any team that loses 4 players of that calibar wont be as good the next yr.

bigbluedefense
12-05-2006, 03:59 PM
Question guys, how is Dwayne Robertson doing? I heard that he's picking it up and finally getting it together, but I haven't really watched the Jets play much this year to be honest. Is he still at NT, and has he been tried out at DE any? Is there any potential for him to remain in this defense or is just a space filler for a future draft pick?

frogstomp
12-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Question guys, how is Dwayne Robertson doing? I heard that he's picking it up and finally getting it together, but I haven't really watched the Jets play much this year to be honest. Is he still at NT, and has he been tried out at DE any? Is there any potential for him to remain in this defense or is just a space filler for a future draft pick?

He's performing much better, and we have tried Kimo at NT and Dwayne at DE. I think we should keep him as a DE, as Kimo is 1000, and we have a lot of needs already.

throwback54milkman
12-05-2006, 08:38 PM
which jersey should i get?

Kerry Rhodes
Jerricho Cotchery
Vilma
Coles
Brick
Mangold

bigbluedefense
12-05-2006, 08:40 PM
which jersey should i get?

Kerry Rhodes
Jerricho Cotchery
Vilma
Coles
Brick
Mangold

I love linebackers, Id go with Vilma. Or Rhodes, but I say Vilma is the safe bet.

derza222
12-05-2006, 08:51 PM
which jersey should i get?

Kerry Rhodes
Jerricho Cotchery
Vilma
Coles
Brick
Mangold

Personally I'd go for Rhodes because he's my favorite player on the team and Vilma has struggled a bit in the defense thus far. Plus Vilma jerseys are pretty popular, Rhodes would be something different.

josh07039
12-05-2006, 09:17 PM
which jersey should i get?

Kerry Rhodes
Jerricho Cotchery
Vilma
Coles
Brick
Mangold

Personally I'd go for Rhodes because he's my favorite player on the team and Vilma has struggled a bit in the defense thus far. Plus Vilma jerseys are pretty popular, Rhodes would be something different.If you just wanna be different, go Cotchery before everyone realizes how amazing a receiver he is.

derza222
12-06-2006, 02:15 PM
which jersey should i get?

Kerry Rhodes
Jerricho Cotchery
Vilma
Coles
Brick
Mangold

Personally I'd go for Rhodes because he's my favorite player on the team and Vilma has struggled a bit in the defense thus far. Plus Vilma jerseys are pretty popular, Rhodes would be something different.If you just wanna be different, go Cotchery before everyone realizes how amazing a receiver he is.

That would definitely be something different. I just personally prefer defense to offense so I'd go Rhodes. But Cotchery would probably be number 2 on my list.

JETS5128
12-06-2006, 03:07 PM
I'd go cotchery

tishdog
12-06-2006, 06:20 PM
I'm personally getting a Rhodes jersey soon cuz I think it looks pretty cool and he is beast.

throwback54milkman
12-06-2006, 08:55 PM
I'm personally getting a Rhodes jersey soon cuz I think it looks pretty cool and he is beast.

Yeah, i'm looking to get Rhodes.

I've looked all over the internet and can't find one- nflshop.com and reebok online any1 know any other sites where i can get 1, cuz most sites just have like Pennington and Vilma and Coles.

throwback54milkman
12-06-2006, 08:55 PM
I'm personally getting a Rhodes jersey soon cuz I think it looks pretty cool and he is beast.

Yeah, i'm looking to get Rhodes.

I've looked all over the internet and can't find one- nflshop.com and reebok online any1 know any other sites where i can get 1, cuz most sites just have like Pennington and Vilma and Coles.

tishdog
12-07-2006, 02:05 PM
You can make a custom one at NFL Shop for like 80 or 85 dollars i think

Zim3031
12-07-2006, 04:24 PM
I actually bought a Bryan Thomas Jersey last year for like $10.

Now there's an investment payed well off :mrgreen:

derza222
12-07-2006, 05:35 PM
I actually bought a Bryan Thomas Jersey last year for like $10.

Now there's an investment payed well off :mrgreen:

Yeah that was definitely an awesome investment. Wonder if he's going to break 10 sacks this year. That would be a huge accomplishment for him.

You can personalize a jersey and get it for like $90 on NFL shop, I believe it goes up to $100 if you're a large. And I may be wrong but I thought they had a Rhodes home jersey.

shavedaeyebrow2
12-08-2006, 08:09 PM
I think I saw a Rhodes Jersey somewhere. Either NFL Shop or Sportsauthority

jetvilma51
12-09-2006, 10:58 PM
im goin to my first game of the year for me, i usually go to a couple a year but i havnt had time this year. But this is a must win for us, if we want to make a playoff run its gotta start here

AlexDown
12-09-2006, 11:21 PM
im goin to my first game of the year for me, i usually go to a couple a year but i havnt had time this year. But this is a must win for us, if we want to make a playoff run its gotta start here

It started a while ago actually.

Our team has been good on limiting penalties. We have to stop Willis Mcgahee. We can not turn the ball over. The Bills outplayed us last time. As long as that doesn't happen, we can win this.

disgruntledjetsfan
12-10-2006, 01:58 AM
im goin to my first game of the year for me, i usually go to a couple a year but i havnt had time this year. But this is a must win for us, if we want to make a playoff run its gotta start here

It started a while ago actually.

Our team has been good on limiting penalties. We have to stop Willis Mcgahee. We can not turn the ball over. The Bills outplayed us last time. As long as that doesn't happen, we can win this.


McGahee might not be a go, apparently he is questionable and a game time decision...

derza222
12-10-2006, 09:30 AM
im goin to my first game of the year for me, i usually go to a couple a year but i havnt had time this year. But this is a must win for us, if we want to make a playoff run its gotta start here

It started a while ago actually.

Our team has been good on limiting penalties. We have to stop Willis Mcgahee. We can not turn the ball over. The Bills outplayed us last time. As long as that doesn't happen, we can win this.


McGahee might not be a go, apparently he is questionable and a game time decision...

I've got to imagine McGahee is going to play today. I agree with AlexDown, as long as we stop McGahee and protect the football on offense we'll be fine today. Huge game, let's hope Mangini's new Jets come out with a win in a game we should win today, and hope the Colts, Ravens, and Chargers win as well.

jmess15
12-10-2006, 09:47 AM
How many Jets do you think will make the Pro-Bowl?

Rob S
12-10-2006, 01:02 PM
willis is going to play, but his left ankle is a little hurt. whitner on the other hand may be out.

josh07039
12-10-2006, 03:00 PM
With the Pats loss just now, Im feeling a run at the division. If the Jets can win today, which I believe they will, the Jets will be right in the hunt.

JETS5128
12-10-2006, 03:35 PM
How many Jets do you think will make the Pro-Bowl?

Two

Rhodes
Miller (KR)

AlexDown
12-10-2006, 03:40 PM
It's only the first and how many rushing yards does this guy have?

Like 70?

josh07039
12-10-2006, 05:45 PM
I genuinely dislike Chad Pennington at this point. His only asset is supposed to be playing mistake free football, well.... whats he got now?

AlexDown
12-10-2006, 05:46 PM
We need to go defense in round one.

josh07039
12-10-2006, 05:48 PM
We need to go defense in round one.We need to hire an assassin to kill Willis Mcgahee.

Zim3031
12-10-2006, 05:49 PM
We need to go defense in round one.We need to hire an assassin to kill Willis Mcgahee.

apparently we already gave him a stomach virus but that certainly didn't help.

josh07039
12-10-2006, 05:54 PM
We need to go defense in round one.We need to hire an assassin to kill Willis Mcgahee.

apparently we already gave him a stomach virus but that certainly didn't help.Why arent we at least getting Clemens some experience now.

Zim3031
12-10-2006, 05:55 PM
We need to go defense in round one.We need to hire an assassin to kill Willis Mcgahee.

apparently we already gave him a stomach virus but that certainly didn't help.Why arent we at least getting Clemens some experience now.

Preserve his confidence?

josh07039
12-10-2006, 05:57 PM
We need to go defense in round one.We need to hire an assassin to kill Willis Mcgahee.

apparently we already gave him a stomach virus but that certainly didn't help.Why arent we at least getting Clemens some experience now.

Preserve his confidence?Nah, maybe they just dont want anyone to think there is a qb controversy.

JETS5128
12-10-2006, 05:58 PM
I genuinely dislike Chad Pennington at this point. His only asset is supposed to be playing mistake free football, well.... whats he got now?

Yeah, he really needs to be more consistent. we only win when he plays well, which means he's had 7 good games and 6 bad ones. He needs to step it up

josh07039
12-10-2006, 06:01 PM
We need to go defense in round one.We need to hire an assassin to kill Willis Mcgahee.

apparently we already gave him a stomach virus but that certainly didn't help.Why arent we at least getting Clemens some experience now.

Preserve his confidence?Nah, maybe they just dont want anyone to think there is a qb controversy.nm

JETS5128
12-10-2006, 06:02 PM
D'brick got butt raped this game

SuperMcGee
12-10-2006, 06:14 PM
D'brick got butt raped this game

schobel ruled today