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doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:35 PM
Good coverage another Punt.

Windy
11-26-2006, 03:36 PM
The first few possessions moss actually looked like he was doing a decent job blocking

jmanz
11-26-2006, 03:41 PM
wow, the offense is actually showing some life!

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:42 PM
Boothe killed that guy like when his past life killed Lincoln.

Windy
11-26-2006, 03:42 PM
Our O-line is playing well and especially boothe

jmanz
11-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Yesssss!!! Pass interference.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:43 PM
PI Jammer you suck.

locseti
11-26-2006, 03:45 PM
reshard Lee was an excellent addition this offseason

Windy
11-26-2006, 03:45 PM
td!!

jmanz
11-26-2006, 03:45 PM
Good effort by Lee

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:45 PM
TDTDTDTD yes :D

Crow
11-26-2006, 03:47 PM
I love Randy Cross now. He's cutting Moss no slack.

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 03:48 PM
****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:48 PM
**********************************************

jmanz
11-26-2006, 03:48 PM
WFT!!! Way to let em back in the game special teams.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:50 PM
********************************************

jmanz
11-26-2006, 03:53 PM
well at least they did us a small favor back by kicking out of bounds.

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 03:58 PM
drop :(

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 03:59 PM
Moss dropped the ball again what a suprise.

locseti
11-26-2006, 04:03 PM
randy cross is hilarious

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:04 PM
Asoumugha almost had it ah well a punt's good to.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:06 PM
1st down.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:09 PM
Another 1st.

jmanz
11-26-2006, 04:10 PM
Our line is indeed looking a lot better so far.

locseti
11-26-2006, 04:11 PM
i cant believe all the drops,

locseti
11-26-2006, 04:13 PM
what a horrible spot

locseti
11-26-2006, 04:14 PM
Crockett dont stop...can you guys hear all the Raider fans down there?

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:14 PM
Crokett i love you 1st down Rrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiidddddddddeeeeeeerrrssss .

locseti
11-26-2006, 04:14 PM
God our TE's suck

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:18 PM
Huff great coverage.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:20 PM
Another 3&Out.Great Job defense.

locseti
11-26-2006, 04:20 PM
I think our D might be championship caliber

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:21 PM
Our defense is holding LT to under 4ypc.

jmanz
11-26-2006, 04:22 PM
Our defense is holding LT to under 4ypc.

I love our D.

jmanz
11-26-2006, 04:30 PM
man our offense really stalled out on this drive.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:32 PM
oh well we scored 7 points in the first five minutes of the game thats more than we scored the whole entire game last time.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 04:57 PM
Great stop d.dont let LT to the outside.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:01 PM
TDDDDDDDDDd Rrraaaaiiiiiidddddeeeerrrssss.
Go Madsen.

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:01 PM
WHo is that down there, doug jolley?

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:01 PM
No no challenge.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:04 PM
Nice to give Madsen the Td.he deserved it.

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:04 PM
madsen looks like a Utah guy

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:05 PM
Madsen made up for that one pass that hit him on the back of the helmet :lol:

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:10 PM
Madsen made up for that one pass that hit him on the back of the helmet :lol:

lol yes that was ugly.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:11 PM
Brooks is playing well, if that were walter we'd be down 14-0 if not by more

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:14 PM
EFFIN ********

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:14 PM
bs call ref.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:14 PM
OMG HORRIBLE CALL :evil: :evil: :x :x :x :x

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:15 PM
Fabian is the man...Shutdown

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:16 PM
Fabian is the man...Shutdown

in a couple years people will be saying Champ who? :wink:

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:16 PM
nice play by Stuart!!

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:16 PM
nice hit stu.

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:16 PM
stuey shwigey is laying licks

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:17 PM
:lol: :lol: he wasn't even going for the hit

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:20 PM
wow, 12 straight division losses....that hurts.

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:20 PM
not liking the playcalling

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:21 PM
this game would be so much different if all those people were in the game for the bolts

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:25 PM
AWESOME-mua!!!!!

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:25 PM
interception!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:25 PM
Int Asoumugha.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:26 PM
YYYEYSSSSS HAHAHA, go Nnamdi

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:26 PM
moss cought a ball :shock:

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:27 PM
moss cought a ball :shock:

and then got a penalty

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:28 PM
moss cought a ball :shock:

and then got a penalty

so it evens out

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:30 PM
aawww damn it

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:32 PM
we must score right here. td or field goal so its a 2 possesion game

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:34 PM
GGGRRRRRRRRR :x :x :x

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:35 PM
god dammit. just what i didnt want a turn over inside the 30. we just let them back into the game

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:41 PM
we need to stop them here on 4th down

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:44 PM
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:44 PM
WHAT AN IDIOT

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:44 PM
this is huge

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:46 PM
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:47 PM
that is such bs

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:49 PM
i love/hate that ref. keeps messing with us. says we get the ball, then doesnt and now has to see if we get the ball. now chargers get the ball. im pissed

locseti
11-26-2006, 05:49 PM
Once again the Raiders get screwed

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:51 PM
That was the UGLIEST forward pass i've ever seen.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:53 PM
worst call ever.those refs are dee de dees.

Windy
11-26-2006, 05:53 PM
THE NFL SCREWS THE RAIDERS

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:53 PM
second worst. u all know the worst.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 05:55 PM
they got WAY too technical about it

jmanz
11-26-2006, 05:57 PM
damn LT and his TD passes.

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:57 PM
Lt should be a qb

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 05:58 PM
nice return

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 05:59 PM
another bad call.that PI should never have been called seeing how it should have been a delay of game.

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 06:03 PM
dammit LT i knew that was coming

jmanz
11-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Now i spose its LT time

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 06:06 PM
we need to hold them to a field goal here

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 06:06 PM
at least they didn't torch us liike the Bengals and Broncos.

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 06:09 PM
should have challenged that one instead of calling a time out

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 06:10 PM
shitt

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 06:14 PM
Moss your an ahole.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 06:16 PM
Moss your an ahole.

what he do? i didn't see

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 06:19 PM
dammit :(. we were so close to having this game. the refs messed it up for us

jmanz
11-26-2006, 06:21 PM
this game really leaves a sour taste in a persons mouth.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 06:21 PM
Moss your an ahole.

what he do? i didn't seegame over.
moss didnt even make an attempt to get the pass he just quit again and the cb was able to get a hand on it.moss is probably 6 inches taller than him so he might have been able to catch the ball, at least he wouldve had a chance.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 06:22 PM
the raiders are really 3-8.the refs beat us not the bolts.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 06:26 PM
jake grove sucks.gets called on a face mask one play and allows a sack the next.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 06:30 PM
jake grove sucks.gets called on a face mask one play and allows a sack the next.

our o-line sucks period. but they played alright today

LookItsAlDavis
11-26-2006, 06:33 PM
So about those free agents..........

Windy
11-26-2006, 06:38 PM
So about those free agents..........

We need to sign fa o-lineman. i also think jake grove shouldnt be the starting center

slightlyaraiderfan
11-26-2006, 06:47 PM
Brooks INT set up this lose, although that call didn't help any.

I'm starting to lean towards drafting Quinn, but as always, it depends on Al-D.

Raiderz4Life
11-26-2006, 06:50 PM
Brooks INT set up this lose, although that call didn't help any.

I'm starting to lean towards drafting Quinn, but as always, it depends on Al-D.

Quinn wouldn't do much better. I really dont want Quinn.

Windy
11-26-2006, 06:51 PM
Brooks INT set up this lose, although that call didn't help any.

I'm starting to lean towards drafting Quinn, but as always, it depends on Al-D.


I agree. We need stability at qb for the future.

slightlyaraiderfan
11-26-2006, 06:59 PM
Brooks INT set up this lose, although that call didn't help any.

I'm starting to lean towards drafting Quinn, but as always, it depends on Al-D.

Quinn wouldn't do much better. I really dont want Quinn.
Well, Quinn alone wouldn't do much. We need to upgrade the OLine, playcalling and and coaches.

LookItsAlDavis
11-26-2006, 07:32 PM
FINALLY! SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT!

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 08:50 PM
Brooks INT set up this lose, although that call didn't help any.

I'm starting to lean towards drafting Quinn, but as always, it depends on Al-D.

Quinn wouldn't do much better. I really dont want Quinn.Coming from a USC fan.If the coaching staff stays the same as it is now for offense, no qb can do well.

RaiderNation
11-26-2006, 11:09 PM
jay cutler is starting the bronco's, so jake the snake might be a FA. u think we'd try to pick him up?

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-26-2006, 11:32 PM
jay cutler is starting the bronco's, so jake the snake might be a FA. u think we'd try to pick him up?jake mistake no thanks i want matt schaub.

Komp
11-26-2006, 11:57 PM
For 40 minutes the Raiders played so well.....than a) Walsh abandoned the run like a red headed step child, and b) WE GOT SCREWED!!

What a horrible call. Using their logic, if he was left handed the ball is ours, right handed the ball is there. Completely ********. Than they top it off with a bs PI call?

After that we just imploded and we can't point the finger at the refs for the last TD, but the 2nd one, the important one, you can put on the zebras.

Notes -

For once our OL blocked ppl, granted Merriman/Castillo weren't there, but just blocking anyone is a good start. Our D held an offense that has scored 35+ pts the last two games to 21 [14!!!] pts.

After today I think we need a RB or a WR. Brooks will do for now, at least he competes hard and wants to win. We need a gamebreaker at WR/RB that teams are afraid of and have to key on. CJ or AD in '07!!!

nobodyinparticular
11-27-2006, 12:42 AM
For 40 minutes the Raiders played so well.....than a) Walsh abandoned the run like a red headed step child, and b) WE GOT SCREWED!!

What a horrible call. Using their logic, if he was left handed the ball is ours, right handed the ball is there. Completely dumb. Than they top it off with a bs PI call?

After that we just imploded and we can't point the finger at the refs for the last TD, but the 2nd one, the important one, you can put on the zebras.

Notes -

For once our OL blocked ppl, granted Merriman/Castillo weren't there, but just blocking anyone is a good start. Our D held an offense that has scored 35+ pts the last two games to 21 [14!!!] pts.

After today I think we need a RB or a WR. Brooks will do for now, at least he competes hard and wants to win. We need a gamebreaker at WR/RB that teams are afraid of and have to key on. CJ or AD in '07!!!

I'll take Alan Branch in the 1st and Paul Williams in the 2nd thank you very much.

Komp
11-27-2006, 11:33 AM
:P Yah I'd be happy with Branch or Gaines Adams as well. I just think we need something on O to keep our defense off the field a bit more.

nobodyinparticular
11-27-2006, 01:35 PM
:P Yah I'd be happy with Branch or Gaines Adams as well. I just think we need something on O to keep our defense off the field a bit more.

Oh no, I totally agree. I just feel that adding a guy like Branch accomplishes that and Paul Williams would go a long way to helping our offensive woes. The total value of those two picks seems greater to me than the value of CJ/Peterson + whoever in the 2nd round. Could we go Peterson + Paul Williams? Sure. That might work.

I've said it before and I'll say it again though, Adrian Peterson scares me. He seems to be built slightly frail. Much like Sam Williams, he tends to just get freak injuries. Charles Rogers has dealt with that as well. He's got a ton of power and great speed, but what's that value if you only get 10 or 11 games out of him each year? And then the possibility of only 4 or 5 of those when he's actually full strength? That kinda scares me... If we could just piece together a couple wins to finish the season off we would be in perfect position for Marshawn Lynch. I am by no means a Cal fan, but Lynch is more compactly built and doesn't seem to have the injury concerns. He doesn't have the ceiling of Peterson, but he seems a bit more safe to me.

From there, I'd take either Okoye or Paul Williams in the 2nd round. If we can build up some offensive weapons, bringing in a lot of talent and we still have problems at QB position--that is when we can go out and find ourselves a franchise QB. At this point, drafting one would, in my very humble opinion, be pointless with the state of the receiving corps, running game, offensive line and the guy upstairs calling the plays who I very unaffectionately call "B&B/TAO". ("Bed & Breakfast/Three And Out)

Komp
11-27-2006, 02:52 PM
:P Yah I'd be happy with Branch or Gaines Adams as well. I just think we need something on O to keep our defense off the field a bit more.

Oh no, I totally agree. I just feel that adding a guy like Branch accomplishes that and Paul Williams would go a long way to helping our offensive woes. The total value of those two picks seems greater to me than the value of CJ/Peterson + whoever in the 2nd round. Could we go Peterson + Paul Williams? Sure. That might work.

I've said it before and I'll say it again though, Adrian Peterson scares me. He seems to be built slightly frail. Much like Sam Williams, he tends to just get freak injuries. Charles Rogers has dealt with that as well. He's got a ton of power and great speed, but what's that value if you only get 10 or 11 games out of him each year? And then the possibility of only 4 or 5 of those when he's actually full strength? That kinda scares me... If we could just piece together a couple wins to finish the season off we would be in perfect position for Marshawn Lynch. I am by no means a Cal fan, but Lynch is more compactly built and doesn't seem to have the injury concerns. He doesn't have the ceiling of Peterson, but he seems a bit more safe to me.

From there, I'd take either Okoye or Paul Williams in the 2nd round. If we can build up some offensive weapons, bringing in a lot of talent and we still have problems at QB position--that is when we can go out and find ourselves a franchise QB. At this point, drafting one would, in my very humble opinion, be pointless with the state of the receiving corps, running game, offensive line and the guy upstairs calling the plays who I very unaffectionately call "B&B/TAO". ("Bed & Breakfast/Three And Out)

Yah I don't mind going with Branch or Adams rd1 and than focusing on the offense for most of the rest of the draft. I'd really like us to grab a TE in rds 3/4. Winnable game against Houston this week, we'll see how it goes. Hopefully the guys aren't too down after three straight 4 pt losses.

LookItsAlDavis
11-27-2006, 05:30 PM
Sadly, I think it will come down to who has the faster 40. (Between Lynch and Peterson.)

LookItsAlDavis
11-27-2006, 05:58 PM
Also, would you all welcome Byron Leftwich if he were to sign with the Raiders? I would.

RaiderNation
11-27-2006, 06:29 PM
id want him. hes big and has a good arm. also mike vick looks like he might want to be trade. how much u think he worth? i think maybe since their Wrs cant catch they might want moss and maybe a 3 and 4 round pick. he'd be perfect. he has a bad line like us and he's doing alright except his wrs drop everthing. we could get CJ and vick. that would be great

slightlyaraiderfan
11-27-2006, 06:35 PM
Also, would you all welcome Byron Leftwich if he were to sign with the Raiders? I would.
Are you serious? One of the most immobile QBs in the league? I hope you haven't already forgotten what has happened to Collins and Walter these past few years...

jmanz
11-27-2006, 06:38 PM
id want him. hes big and has a good arm. also mike vick looks like he might want to be trade. how much u think he worth? i think maybe since their Wrs cant catch they might want moss and maybe a 3 and 4 round pick. he'd be perfect. he has a bad line like us and he's doing alright except his wrs drop everthing. we could get CJ and vick. that would be great

I was wondering the same thing about Vick. I can just about imagine how Al would love the thought of his speed lol.

RaiderNation
11-27-2006, 06:43 PM
lol i know. thats one reason we might pick him up. al loves speed. id love it if vick came here and he and CJ/AD turned around this team. u think atlanta would trade him? they got shaub wh looks promising. id take either one but vick would fit us better because of his speed

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 06:45 PM
Sadly, I think it will come down to who has the faster 40. (Between Lynch and Peterson.)Peteson's faster than Lynch.Personally and this is just a personal opinion I think that Lynch is a better all around back.Peterson is a better back but i think that Lynch is more well rounded.He has good speed,power,is extremely elusive,and can catch out of the backfield pretty well.

I think Gaines Adams would be the best decision.I think that part of the run defense's problem is letting the rb get to the outside.I dont think that Brayton does a very good job pass rushing or run stuffing Gaines Adams could fix both of those problems.I think that Paul Williams or some other good wr is to be picked in the 2nd round and then maybe a dt in the 3rd or 4th.I personally like Marcus Thomas and Ryan McBean.

slightlyaraiderfan
11-27-2006, 06:46 PM
Vick isn't going anywhere, he's the face of the franchise and has a huge contract.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 06:47 PM
lol i know. thats one reason we might pick him up. al loves speed. id love it if vick came here and he and CJ/AD turned around this team. u think atlanta would trade him? they got shaub wh looks promising. id take either one but vick would fit us better because of his speedi dont like running qbs i think that they are injury prone and not that great at the passing game.
Ive also heard that the Falcons are to invested in Michael Vick right now.
Id take Schaub anyday.

Windy
11-27-2006, 06:51 PM
It would be nice to win a couple games to get in Marshawn Lynch range.
I just don't want to sign another average qb with no mobility.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 07:08 PM
Yah i would like to get a mobile qb, but there is a fine line between a mobile qb and a running qb.

jmanz
11-27-2006, 07:17 PM
I'm not a big fan of Vick but I have heard rumblings of him wanting out. I agree that he puts fans in the seats but who knows.

RaiderNation
11-27-2006, 07:19 PM
vick would do alot for this team. most important is what u said" put fans in the seats." also we will probably put moss in the deal, so that will help us out too

locseti
11-27-2006, 07:27 PM
hmmm, AD/Lynch is a toss up for me...

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 07:27 PM
Schaub>Vick.

jmanz
11-27-2006, 07:34 PM
Schaub>Vick.

Schaub is very over rated from what i've seen from him so far....If someone were to get rid of a first and third for him, I think it would be very risky. However, he might be better for the falcons, i dunno.

Windy
11-27-2006, 07:36 PM
Schaub>Vick.

I agree. It would take a whole lot to trade for Vick.

Moss or Porter and probably 2 first round picks.

Vick's contract is 10 years 130 Million

The money obviously isn't guaranteed but that would be a huge cap hit.

I'd rather have Quinn than Vick

Komp
11-27-2006, 07:37 PM
I wouldn't want to give our 1st rdr for anyone that is available. Gaines Adams/CJ and Alan Branch look like the real deal to me.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 07:39 PM
Isnt Schaub a UFA this year?

Windy
11-27-2006, 07:41 PM
Isnt Schaub a UFA this year?

RFA

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagents.html

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 07:49 PM
Disputed 'pass' call has Sapp seething

By Jerry Magee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
November 27, 2006

When Warren Sapp becomes animated, his eyes grow large, and they were large now, large and overflowing with fury.

The Oakland Raiders' voluble defensive tackle was having his say concerning referee Mike Carey's ruling at Qualcomm Stadium that the Chargers' Vincent Jackson had not fumbled but attempted an illegal forward pass after making a reception.

“How many times have you seen a completed pass caught by the receiver and then the receiver throws it again?” Sapp demanded.


None of the reporters gathered around Sapp in the Raiders' dressing quarters could say that he had observed such a thing.
Sapp had another point he wished to advance. “To have a throw, a hand has to be in motion,” he argued. Again, he heard no dissent.

If Sapp was aggrieved following the Chargers' 21-14 escape yesterday, so were many of his teammates, all because of the play involving Jackson and how it was settled. It was not settled swiftly. At least 10 minutes had to go by before Carey announced his definitive decision.

Sapp, as he often is when the football is in play, was right in the middle of things after Jackson secured a Philip Rivers pass with the Chargers trailing 14-7 in the fourth period and in a fourth-and-2 situation at the Oakland 40. Making his catch, Jackson, still not having been touched, threw down the ball, which was covered by a Raider. But possession ultimately stayed with the Chargers.

“I went onto the field and I'm talking to Carey and I'm talking to the umpire,” Sapp said. “They're having a full-fledged discussion. It's their ball, it's our ball, oh, no-no-no, it's their ball again.”

It stayed the Chargers' ball. Carey would advise a pool reporter that there had been no fumble because Jackson had intentionally pitched the football down, making it either a forward or backward pass. In the moments following the game's conclusion, however, the Raiders were unaware of Carey's statement.

Coach Art Shell said he thought his side would have won had the Jackson matter been adjudged a fumble.

“It's very disappointing,” Shell said. “I thought our guys played well against an outstanding team. We didn't finish, but eventually things will turn.”

Four plays after the Jackson ruling, the Chargers got even when LaDainian Tomlinson arched a 19-yard scoring pass to Antonio Gates.

Through much of the afternoon, the Raiders controlled Tomlinson, but with 6:23 to go he broke “out the back door,” as Shell put it, and went 44 yards to the Oakland 23, then scored from the 10.

Winning completed a season sweep of the Raiders for the Chargers, 27-0 winners over Oakland in the season opener.

“But we're a much better team than we were, because our guys refuse not to play hard,” Shell said.

Nothing would assuage Sapp. “I learned that you can catch the ball in the NFL, run right down the middle of the field, turn and throw it in the stands and the only thing they can do is mark where you threw it from, move it back 5 yards and give you a first down,” Sapp said.

The Jackson play aside, Sapp said the Raiders lost an opportunity to take control of the afternoon early in the fourth period. They led and they had possession at the San Diego 25 when Aaron Brooks had a sorely underthrown pass intercepted at the 17 by Quentin Jammer, whose 35-yard return preceded the hosts' tying touchdown.

“The last time I had looked before the interception, they had just seven points on the board,” Sapp said. “We were doing a pretty good job.” just thought youd like to read this.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 07:50 PM
Isnt Schaub a UFA this year?

RFA

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagents.html :x

jmanz
11-27-2006, 08:14 PM
Disputed 'pass' call has Sapp seething

By Jerry Magee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
November 27, 2006

When Warren Sapp becomes animated, his eyes grow large, and they were large now, large and overflowing with fury.

The Oakland Raiders' voluble defensive tackle was having his say concerning referee Mike Carey's ruling at Qualcomm Stadium that the Chargers' Vincent Jackson had not fumbled but attempted an illegal forward pass after making a reception.

“How many times have you seen a completed pass caught by the receiver and then the receiver throws it again?” Sapp demanded.


None of the reporters gathered around Sapp in the Raiders' dressing quarters could say that he had observed such a thing.
Sapp had another point he wished to advance. “To have a throw, a hand has to be in motion,” he argued. Again, he heard no dissent.

If Sapp was aggrieved following the Chargers' 21-14 escape yesterday, so were many of his teammates, all because of the play involving Jackson and how it was settled. It was not settled swiftly. At least 10 minutes had to go by before Carey announced his definitive decision.

Sapp, as he often is when the football is in play, was right in the middle of things after Jackson secured a Philip Rivers pass with the Chargers trailing 14-7 in the fourth period and in a fourth-and-2 situation at the Oakland 40. Making his catch, Jackson, still not having been touched, threw down the ball, which was covered by a Raider. But possession ultimately stayed with the Chargers.

“I went onto the field and I'm talking to Carey and I'm talking to the umpire,” Sapp said. “They're having a full-fledged discussion. It's their ball, it's our ball, oh, no-no-no, it's their ball again.”

It stayed the Chargers' ball. Carey would advise a pool reporter that there had been no fumble because Jackson had intentionally pitched the football down, making it either a forward or backward pass. In the moments following the game's conclusion, however, the Raiders were unaware of Carey's statement.

Coach Art Shell said he thought his side would have won had the Jackson matter been adjudged a fumble.

“It's very disappointing,” Shell said. “I thought our guys played well against an outstanding team. We didn't finish, but eventually things will turn.”

Four plays after the Jackson ruling, the Chargers got even when LaDainian Tomlinson arched a 19-yard scoring pass to Antonio Gates.

Through much of the afternoon, the Raiders controlled Tomlinson, but with 6:23 to go he broke “out the back door,” as Shell put it, and went 44 yards to the Oakland 23, then scored from the 10.

Winning completed a season sweep of the Raiders for the Chargers, 27-0 winners over Oakland in the season opener.

“But we're a much better team than we were, because our guys refuse not to play hard,” Shell said.

Nothing would assuage Sapp. “I learned that you can catch the ball in the NFL, run right down the middle of the field, turn and throw it in the stands and the only thing they can do is mark where you threw it from, move it back 5 yards and give you a first down,” Sapp said.

The Jackson play aside, Sapp said the Raiders lost an opportunity to take control of the afternoon early in the fourth period. They led and they had possession at the San Diego 25 when Aaron Brooks had a sorely underthrown pass intercepted at the 17 by Quentin Jammer, whose 35-yard return preceded the hosts' tying touchdown.

“The last time I had looked before the interception, they had just seven points on the board,” Sapp said. “We were doing a pretty good job.” just thought youd like to read this.

good read, thanks!

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 08:28 PM
Dallas got rid of Vanderjagt now all we need to do is get rid of Seabass and the NFL will be rid of alcoholic kickers.

portermvp84
11-27-2006, 09:01 PM
hmmm, AD/Lynch is a toss up for me...

I would take All Day, he would fit our system since he is a bigger back.

AlexDown
11-27-2006, 09:22 PM
Just reading through this page and see you guys are discussing QBs, which is understandable.

So they ended up benching Walter, even though their season was over. Do you now think QB is an early draft? How long is Brook's contract. Will he be there next year?

If you don't see the Raiders adressing QB in the draft, do you see them going after on in the offseason? Maybe Byron Leftwich?

Also as a Jets fan, I really can't believe that I am hearing that you guys would want to draft AD over CJ or Quinn. He, Jordan, was a 1,000 yard rusher for you guys last year wasn't he? When was that last time you had that?

Windy
11-27-2006, 09:34 PM
Just reading through this page and see you guys are discussing QBs, which is understandable.

So they ended up benching Walter, even though their season was over. Do you now think QB is an early draft? How long is Brook's contract. Will he be there next year?

If you don't see the Raiders adressing QB in the draft, do you see them going after on in the offseason? Maybe Byron Leftwich?

Also as a Jets fan, I really can't believe that I am hearing that you guys would want to draft AD over CJ or Quinn. He, Jordan, was a 1,000 yard rusher for you guys last year wasn't he? When was that last time you had that?

Brooks has a 2 year contract with an option at the end of this year. I would be upset if we got Leftwich because he is as immobile as it gets. Brooks has shown in order to somewhat succeed with this offensive line you need to be mobile. My List would go like this:

Calvin Johnson
Brady Quinn
Adrian Peterson
Marshawn Lynch
Alan Branch
Joe Thomas

slightlyaraiderfan
11-27-2006, 09:40 PM
Jeremy Stevens just got rocked, I love it.

portermvp84
11-27-2006, 09:56 PM
I hate Stevens so damn bad!!!!! He's worthless.

RaiderNation
11-27-2006, 10:12 PM
we should have gotten drew brees in last years off season.i knew it was a mistake that we didn t get him

portermvp84
11-27-2006, 10:20 PM
I'm glad we didn't get Duant'e because he's still a mess. I'm glad we got Brooks because he is looking like the greek god Zeus right now with his quick thinking and scrambling. Brook doesn't get sacked that often thats what I love about him and he's actually mobile.

Komp
11-27-2006, 10:32 PM
Just reading through this page and see you guys are discussing QBs, which is understandable.

So they ended up benching Walter, even though their season was over. Do you now think QB is an early draft? How long is Brook's contract. Will he be there next year?

If you don't see the Raiders adressing QB in the draft, do you see them going after on in the offseason? Maybe Byron Leftwich?

Also as a Jets fan, I really can't believe that I am hearing that you guys would want to draft AD over CJ or Quinn. He, Jordan, was a 1,000 yard rusher for you guys last year wasn't he? When was that last time you had that?

With the OL we have right now we need a mobile QB to be able to do anything offensively. We need to get the OL playing decent before putting a rookie 1st rd QB back there. Our run D is the one thing holding our defense [that and experience] from becoming a dominant unit in my opinion. With that in mind Alan Branch will probably get a long hard look from Raiders brass if he comes out this year.

I'm a huge fan of Lamont's but he is getting up there [7th season in the NFL next year]. I think we can address RB in another year or in the 2nd/3rd rounds, especially with the amount of success late 1st rd RB's have had this year [Addai, Maroney].

I think we'll take CJ over anyone available since Davis will fall in love with him when he runs a 4.35/40 at the combine, but if he is gone before we get him I think we'll take one of the Dlineman. I really don't want Quinn yet as I don't think we're ready for him, but he does look like a great prospect.

AlexDown
11-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Just reading through this page and see you guys are discussing QBs, which is understandable.

So they ended up benching Walter, even though their season was over. Do you now think QB is an early draft? How long is Brook's contract. Will he be there next year?

If you don't see the Raiders adressing QB in the draft, do you see them going after on in the offseason? Maybe Byron Leftwich?

Also as a Jets fan, I really can't believe that I am hearing that you guys would want to draft AD over CJ or Quinn. He, Jordan, was a 1,000 yard rusher for you guys last year wasn't he? When was that last time you had that?

With the OL we have right now we need a mobile QB to be able to do anything offensively. We need to get the OL playing decent before putting a rookie 1st rd QB back there. Our run D is the one thing holding our defense [that and experience] from becoming a dominant unit in my opinion. With that in mind Alan Branch will probably get a long hard look from Raiders brass if he comes out this year.

I'm a huge fan of Lamont's but he is getting up there [7th season in the NFL next year]. I think we can address RB in another year or in the 2nd/3rd rounds, especially with the amount of success late 1st rd RB's have had this year [Addai, Maroney].

I think we'll take CJ over anyone available since Davis will fall in love with him when he runs a 4.35/40 at the combine, but if he is gone before we get him I think we'll take one of the Dlineman. I really don't want Quinn yet as I don't think we're ready for him, but he does look like a great prospect.

Drafting Quinn this year doesn't mean he would be starting this year. Since they benched Walter and doesn't seem to be the future anymore, I don't really see why Raider fans would complain about using their first round pick on him. Am I right? Walter is not the future?

I don't know a lot about your WR situation other then its not going well at all right now. Is there a chance that both Moss and Porter will not be wearing silver in black next year? If that is so, I also woulden't be suprised to see them pick CJ.

Again, I don't see why they would draft a RB, especially if CJ or Quinn was still around.

11-27-2006, 10:58 PM
Teams always say they're not going to start their rookies, like Denver and Arizona this year, but when the starter starts playing poorly, the fans will call for the rookie and usually get their wish.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 11:07 PM
As long as Al Davis is the owner of the franchise a QB in the 1st just wont happen.It might be the best choice but Old Al is still owner.any qb drafted after the 1st could happen though.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 11:08 PM
hmmm, AD/Lynch is a toss up for me...

I would take All Day, he would fit our system since he is a bigger back.who would you take?

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 11:29 PM
Scott now has us taking CJ at #3.

RaiderNation
11-28-2006, 01:00 AM
i know im happy about it :)

Vespasian
11-28-2006, 01:31 AM
CJ at #3.

Hmmmmm.

I still think Peterson would be the better pick but it would be hard to complain if CJ came on board.

I'm just happy that we don't have to hear all the Brady Quinn slurping anymore.

locseti
11-28-2006, 03:43 AM
Just want to mention on this thread (cause it hasnt been talked about) the excellent job Chris Carr does on kick return. It seems like he is about to break one every time he touches the ball. He almost always brings kickoffs back to the 40...and he leads the AFC in kickoff return yards (also averages 25.9 yards per KR)...He also has one INT for 100 yds and a TD


as i was looking at his stats, I decided to take a gander at our defensive stats as well. Our defense is ony allowing 289 YPG and (thats better than the Chargers and 5th in the AFC) we're number one against the pass, 4th in interceptions, etc.etc.

The defense and special teams cant do a whole lot more to help this team win. They get turnovers, dont allow too many big plays, and start the Offense with great field position.

I would love to take Branch in the first, but we need to face the facts...Our Offense is our number one concerned and must be addressed with our first round pick. Get us a Frank Gore in here and get rid of our Barlow (Lamont)...Im on the AD bandwagon.

LookItsAlDavis
11-28-2006, 09:00 AM
True that...

nobodyinparticular
11-28-2006, 02:32 PM
OMG!!!!! I AM SO STOKED!!!!! RUMOR HAS IT THAT TOM WALSH IS GETTING FIRED!

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 02:40 PM
OMG!!!!! I AM SO STOKED!!!!! RUMOR HAS IT THAT TOM WALSH IS GETTING FIRED!
:shock:

Let's hope it's not just a rumor. 8)

Windy
11-28-2006, 02:41 PM
OMG!!!!! I AM SO STOKED!!!!! RUMOR HAS IT THAT TOM WALSH IS GETTING FIRED!


yea finally. i heard john shoop will get the promotion

nobodyinparticular
11-28-2006, 02:43 PM
OMG!!!!! I AM SO STOKED!!!!! RUMOR HAS IT THAT TOM WALSH IS GETTING FIRED!
:shock:

Let's hope it's not just a rumor. 8)

Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting it.

jmanz
11-28-2006, 03:03 PM
OMG!!!!! I AM SO STOKED!!!!! RUMOR HAS IT THAT TOM WALSH IS GETTING FIRED!
:shock:

Let's hope it's not just a rumor. 8)

Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting it.

Very f'n good news!!! Great report NIP

AlexDown
11-28-2006, 03:22 PM
CJ at #3.

Hmmmmm.

I still think Peterson would be the better pick but it would be hard to complain if CJ came on board.

I'm just happy that we don't have to hear all the Brady Quinn slurping anymore.

CJ would be a better pick then AD. I don't think Moss and Porter will be in Silver and Black next year. And there is a chance that you might even lose both of them correct?

And why are you ruling Brady Quinn out? If your basing this off of the new mock, well, he was taken before your pick.

LookItsAlDavis
11-28-2006, 04:30 PM
I think JaMarcus Russel would be a good pick..........

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 04:44 PM
Whats taking so long with the Walsh situation...

Give him the axe already, literally.

Windy
11-28-2006, 04:53 PM
Whats taking so long with the Walsh situation...

Give him the axe already, literally.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2678933


I'll bring the champagne

jmanz
11-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Whats taking so long with the Walsh situation...

Give him the axe already, literally.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2678933


I'll bring the champagne

finallllllllllly!!! :D

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 05:01 PM
Whats taking so long with the Walsh situation...

Give him the axe already, literally.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2678933


I'll bring the champagne
ahhh yes, beautiful.

locseti
11-28-2006, 05:01 PM
we promoted our tight ends coach? Hopefully hes the guy that found Mark Madsen.

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 05:17 PM
http://www.raiders.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/BNLOCJDGHGJM/112806shoop.jpg
"About ****ing time."

bearsfan_51
11-28-2006, 05:21 PM
John Shoop is to offensive coordinating what Roseanne Barr is to swimsuit modeling. I'm not sure what that means, but John Shoop sucks. He runs the most conservative WCO you'll ever see in your life. Take it from any Bears fan.

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 05:23 PM
John Shoop is to offensive coordinating what Roseanne Barr is to swimsuit modeling. I'm not sure what that means, but John Shoop sucks. He runs the most conservative WCO you'll ever see in your life. Take it from any Bears fan.
Take it from a Raiders fan, anything is better than Walsh.

Windy
11-28-2006, 05:25 PM
we promoted our tight ends coach? Hopefully hes the guy that found Mark Madsen.

What do you mean Mark Madsen? Did Shoop coach at Stanford or something?

locseti
11-28-2006, 05:26 PM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 05:32 PM
I'm not looking for Shoop to completely revamp this offense and have us scoring a ton, I just want some friggin' consistency...moving the chains, sustained drives and a ******* clue of what your supposed to do out there. Walsh was just away from the game way too long, and he never caught up.

locseti
11-28-2006, 05:32 PM
we promoted our tight ends coach? Hopefully hes the guy that found Mark Madsen.

What do you mean Mark Madsen? Did Shoop coach at Stanford or something?

all I know is that our TE's have been garbage this yr, (until Madsen's emergence this week) yet we're promoting our TE coach to run the offense... If Shoop is the one that said "Look, we need to bench Anderson and Williams and design some plays for this kid Madsen" Then obviously his Football IQ is above and beyond BandB's

locseti
11-28-2006, 05:34 PM
I'm not looking for Shoop to completely revamp this offense and have us scoring a ton, I just want some friggin' consistency...moving the chains, sustained drives and a *********** clue of what your supposed to do out there. Walsh was just away from the game way too long, and he never caught up.

Not enough time to revamp the offense, and even a conservative WCO can establish some semblance of consistency. The right move just at the wrong time...Should have made this move during the bye

jmanz
11-28-2006, 05:46 PM
I agree, he's got to be better than what we've seen so far this season. I'm excited for the change!

bearsfan_51
11-28-2006, 05:48 PM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.
:lol:

Next thing you'll be telling me that Kyle Orton won 9 games last year.

The offense's function in Chicago is to move the ball 20 yards and set up better field position for the defense to score.

locseti
11-28-2006, 05:53 PM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.
:lol:

Next thing you'll be telling me that Kyle Orton won 9 games last year.

The offense's function in Chicago is to move the ball 20 yards and set up better field position for the defense to score.

Well our defense is approaching Chicago status, so if we can move the ball 20 yds thats an improvement.

locseti
11-28-2006, 05:57 PM
Probably shoulda said "His offense helped the Bears to a 13-3 record, while the defense led the team to that record in 01.

RaiderNation
11-28-2006, 05:57 PM
definately. our defence is very young. i think only one guy over 30 years old on our d that is starting. the linebackers are all under 26. we got a bright future on defence

20 yards would help our offence alot!!!!!! do u think he will stay at OC the hole season and mayb next year?

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-28-2006, 06:14 PM
finally Walsh is gone.i cant explain how happy i am on this news. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Raiderz4Life
11-28-2006, 09:11 PM
Teams always say they're not going to start their rookies, like Denver and Arizona this year, but when the starter starts playing poorly, the fans will call for the rookie and usually get their wish.

WELL NO ****!!!

i know it was old, but this post was lame

nobodyinparticular
11-28-2006, 09:26 PM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.
:lol:

Next thing you'll be telling me that Kyle Orton won 9 games last year.

The offense's function in Chicago is to move the ball 20 yards and set up better field position for the defense to score.

Well our defense is approaching Chicago status, so if we can move the ball 20 yds thats an improvement.

It's not quite that good. We still need some growth from our players. We're young though. Personally, I would say we're closer to the Chargers of 2 years ago who were really very young, but began to grow into their draft status.

bearsfan_51
11-28-2006, 10:49 PM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.
:lol:

Next thing you'll be telling me that Kyle Orton won 9 games last year.

The offense's function in Chicago is to move the ball 20 yards and set up better field position for the defense to score.

Well our defense is approaching Chicago status, so if we can move the ball 20 yds thats an improvement.

*In robot voice*

"Defense as good as Chicago's? Defense as good as Chicago's?

Does not compute...does not compute...."

*Crazy robot arms flying around everywhere.*

Komp
11-28-2006, 11:21 PM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.
:lol:

Next thing you'll be telling me that Kyle Orton won 9 games last year.

The offense's function in Chicago is to move the ball 20 yards and set up better field position for the defense to score.

Well our defense is approaching Chicago status, so if we can move the ball 20 yds thats an improvement.

*In robot voice*

"Defense as good as Chicago's? Defense as good as Chicago's?

Does not compute...does not compute...."

*Crazy robot arms flying around everywhere.*

The Raiders probably have the best young defense in league, so hopefully in 2-3 years we'll have a defense as dominant as Chicago's.

Anyone named after a Salt N' Pepa song can't be that bad of an offensive co-ordinator. Also, I feel the Raiders did this the classy way. They let Walsh try to work his way out of the hole and when it came apparent that he was in over his head after 11 years out of the game, they didn't fire him. They know he is a hard worker and probably a decent guy, he just wasn't right for the previous job. GL to Walsh in his future endeavours with the Raiders and lets see what Shoop can do. I remember that Chicago offense so my expectation are already low lol....

RaiderNation
11-28-2006, 11:48 PM
i can see our defence be close or even better than the bears d. as i said only 1 starter thats older than 30.

locseti
11-29-2006, 12:25 AM
Anything is better than Walsh, and his offense led the Bears to a 13-3 record in 01.
:lol:

Next thing you'll be telling me that Kyle Orton won 9 games last year.

The offense's function in Chicago is to move the ball 20 yards and set up better field position for the defense to score.

Well our defense is approaching Chicago status, so if we can move the ball 20 yds thats an improvement.

*In robot voice*

"Defense as good as Chicago's? Defense as good as Chicago's?

Does not compute...does not compute...."

*Crazy robot arms flying around everywhere.*

hahha, "We are approaching Chicago status" Is not the same as "Defense as good as Chicago's"

But I gurantee that Johnny5 will be short circuiting soon enough.

raiderfan4life
11-29-2006, 02:18 PM
OAKLAND WOULD BE GOOD PLACE FOR VICK TO START FRESH

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/16119462.htm

Quote:
Here's something to picture as you look ahead to the offseason: Michael Vick in a Raiders jersey.A lot, namely a trade and a lot of salary cap details, will have to happen in the meantime. But this one makes perfect sense, and it may be just what the Raiders need to revive a franchise that's faltering.

The Falcons, who have given Vick every possible chance, will be willing to part with their quarterback. Despite his outrageous talent, he hasn't produced on any sort of consistent level and tensions are at an all-time high in the Falcons organization.

The crescendo may have come Sunday when Vick made an obscene gesture at Atlanta fans who ridiculed him as he walked off the field. The Falcons gladly would take draft picks for Vick, who clearly needs a fresh start.

And what better place for Vick than Oakland, where many a renegade has prospered?

Picture Vick throwing to Randy Moss. Picture Al Davis smiling again.

Even on his bad days, Vick would fit in Oakland. He could wave to fans who speak the same language.

RaiderNation
11-29-2006, 04:18 PM
thats says we will have to trade our first rounder for him? id rather trade moss/porter and 2nd rounder and maybe like a 5th or 4th for him. if we get a 1st rounder out of the top 10 ( not likely) i would trade it. but not one inside the top 10

locseti
11-29-2006, 04:26 PM
Vick is not coming to the Eastbay. At least I hope he's not. He'll never lead a team to a champonship. The Falcons have a good coach, a good running game, decent defense, and have had for years, yet they've never done anything in the playoffs. Too much to give up for Vick, a 1st rounder!

RaiderNation
11-29-2006, 04:41 PM
vick has never hadc a good WR. mayb moss/porter will play better if vick comes here. moss is good, he just being a fagget cuz our team sucks right now. i think moss will raise his level with mike vick

nobodyinparticular
11-29-2006, 04:45 PM
Nation, that is a sweet avy bro, but you need to size it down or find a new one. Something around the size of what I have or any number of other people in this thread.

RaiderNation
11-29-2006, 04:52 PM
lol i know ive been trying to look for one thats smaller. do u know a good place to look? ive been using yahoo and google

nobodyinparticular
11-29-2006, 05:00 PM
lol i know ive been trying to look for one thats smaller. do u know a good place to look? ive been using yahoo and google

Those are good places. If you find one that you like, you can have it hosted on Imageshack.us to re-size it. Just try not to have it bigger than 100 pixel either way, but 125 is definitely the max.

Komp
11-29-2006, 05:06 PM
I'm not sure about bringing Vick in....I'm starting to think guys in the locker already want to kill Moss anyways. I'd rather just start our offense over and continue the rebuilding process that way....bringing in Vick might just be putting a bandaid on a bullet hole....

nobodyinparticular
11-29-2006, 05:10 PM
I'm not sure about bringing Vick in....I'm starting to think guys in the locker already want to kill Moss anyways. I'd rather just start our offense over and continue the rebuilding process that way....bringing in Vick might just be putting a bandaid on a bullet hole....

I certainly get that feeling from Sapp...

RaiderNation
11-29-2006, 05:29 PM
hows my pic now?
also michael turner of SD is a free agent. hes a good rb. u think we might take a chance agt him if we dont get AD or lynch?

raidersfanxxx
11-29-2006, 05:58 PM
i dont think so. i dont think were going to give up on the jordan/farges combo just yet. but if we were to get AP i would not be shocked.

jmanz
11-29-2006, 05:58 PM
Imagine the jersey sales. Not that the raiders see any of that.

raidersfanxxx
11-29-2006, 06:02 PM
who do you guys think is going to be are OC next year?

Raiderz4Life
11-29-2006, 06:29 PM
Vick wont be a raider, i hope at least that he wont be one, i dislike the guy as much as one can dislike a player, i wouldn't be caught dead wearing a Vick jersey even if it were a limited edition okaland raiders jersey given away for free. We'll never win anything if he comes. I dont want him in Oakland, sadly, what i say dont count

11-29-2006, 06:40 PM
Vick wont be a raider, i hope at least that he wont be one, i dislike the guy as much as one can dislike a player, i wouldn't be caught dead wearing a Vick jersey even if it were a limited edition okaland raiders jersey given away for free. We'll never win anything if he comes. I dont want him in Oakland, sadly, what i say dont count

I'm sorry but there is not way in hell you guys are going to get Vick. The Falcons value him too much.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-29-2006, 06:52 PM
Vick would never be the answer.running qbs usually have problems passing.Schaub is the better canidate.
I liked the last part of the article in which it said that Vick could wave to the fans who speak the same language. :lol:
Turner is a free agent and wouldnt be a bad pickup and heres why..
Fagas is a free agent to and could leave.
Jordan is out for the season.

jmanz
11-29-2006, 06:54 PM
yup I'd rather not have Vick as well. Give me a pocket passer with a little mobility any day.

Raiderz4Life
11-29-2006, 07:06 PM
Vick wont be a raider, i hope at least that he wont be one, i dislike the guy as much as one can dislike a player, i wouldn't be caught dead wearing a Vick jersey even if it were a limited edition okaland raiders jersey given away for free. We'll never win anything if he comes. I dont want him in Oakland, sadly, what i say dont count

I'm sorry but there is not way in hell you guys are going to get Vick. The Falcons value him too much.

You just basically said what i said.

RaiderNation
11-29-2006, 07:28 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

11-29-2006, 07:29 PM
Vick wont be a raider, i hope at least that he wont be one, i dislike the guy as much as one can dislike a player, i wouldn't be caught dead wearing a Vick jersey even if it were a limited edition okaland raiders jersey given away for free. We'll never win anything if he comes. I dont want him in Oakland, sadly, what i say dont count

I'm sorry but there is not way in hell you guys are going to get Vick. The Falcons value him too much.

You just basically said what i said.

No you said you didn't want him. I said you don't need to worry because you won't get him.

Raiderz4Life
11-29-2006, 07:30 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

T.Smith, he tight

11-29-2006, 07:32 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

I think that is a stupid question. Vick without a doubt in my mind.

Raiderz4Life
11-29-2006, 07:52 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

I think that is a stupid question. Vick without a doubt in my mind.

No it's not, cuz i would have T.Smith beter than Vick, even thought T. Smith has never played a down in the nfl

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-29-2006, 08:27 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

I think that is a stupid question. Vick without a doubt in my mind.

No it's not, cuz i would have T.Smith beter than Vick, even thought T. Smith has never played a down in the nfli would take either.and al davis wouldnt take smith because of lack of arm stregnth.

RaiderNation
11-29-2006, 08:32 PM
i think vick would fit better because of his atheticism. our oline sucks and smith is altheltic but vick is more. smith has like mcabb speed or mayb a little slower

11-29-2006, 08:36 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

I think that is a stupid question. Vick without a doubt in my mind.

No it's not, cuz i would have T.Smith beter than Vick, even thought T. Smith has never played a down in the nfl

Smith won't be able to run much in the NFL so he already loses a lot of what he did in his college career. He is decently accurate, but not even close enough to make up for his lack of height. He also doesn't have much of an arm. His stats were also padded by the large amount of talent around him.

locseti
11-29-2006, 11:39 PM
who would u want more vick or troy smith? vick is more athletic, smith is better passer and pretty fast

I think that is a stupid question. Vick without a doubt in my mind.

No it's not, cuz i would have T.Smith beter than Vick, even thought T. Smith has never played a down in the nfl

Smith won't be able to run much in the NFL so he already loses a lot of what he did in his college career. He is decently accurate, but not even close enough to make up for his lack of height. He also doesn't have much of an arm. His stats were also padded by the large amount of talent around him.

I think Smith is a way better field general than Vick though. He's a Quarterback first. Vick will always look to run if the pocket breaks down because in his mind, his freakish athleticism gives him an advantage over everyone else.

I know the term "it" is super cliche when discussing QB's, but Troy Smith looks like he could be a one of these guys. Not the measurables you look for, but the intangibles. He's tough as nails, makes gutsy throws, and always gives his team a chance.

That being said, I think Smith is the ideal backup. Along with Seneca Wallace. Ideal backups. And both guys I'd rather have on my team than Vick.

nobodyinparticular
11-29-2006, 11:44 PM
hows my pic now?
also michael turner of SD is a free agent. hes a good rb. u think we might take a chance agt him if we dont get AD or lynch?

Still way too wide.

Go with this URL. Same stuff, different size.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3035/b0007m0mcc01a3e9hbd6f8enm7.jpg

locseti
11-30-2006, 12:06 AM
NIP- I love Danny Clark, but is he even on the team anymore?

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-30-2006, 12:15 AM
NIP i do have some other Oakland sigs.they are available if you would like one of them.

nobodyinparticular
11-30-2006, 12:41 AM
NIP- I love Danny Clark, but is he even on the team anymore?

Nope, he's not anymore. I've had it for a while now though... I've been trying to figure out who to get in a new sig and I would like a Morrison sig but I haven't found any good pics of him out there yet. Until then I think I'm going to keep this (or change to an older sig) and wait until I can find a good pic of Morrison so I can ask for someone to make a saig for me.

jmanz
11-30-2006, 10:23 AM
Uh oh, Art is pissed.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2680571

Windy
11-30-2006, 01:42 PM
Uh oh, Art is pissed.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2680571

yea mike lombardi is the traitor.

raiderfan4life
11-30-2006, 01:53 PM
Now, Art Shell is even dumber than I tought. Mike wanted a real HC like Hill or Paterio, not figurehead Art Shell. He want to win, not some retread HC like Shell.

Rob Ryan for HC, baby...

locseti
11-30-2006, 02:11 PM
Now, Art Shell is even dumber than I tought. Mike wanted a real HC like Hill or Paterio, not figurehead Art Shell. He want to win, not some retread HC like Shell.

Rob Ryan for HC, baby...

There's no way he's dumber than I thought. But what good can come out of this, why take this public?? It just proves further what a dysfunctional organization this is. Pretty soon its not just the coaches that arent gonna want to coach here, its gonna be the players.

jmanz
11-30-2006, 04:07 PM
Are we gettin a win on Sunday guys?

Vader
11-30-2006, 05:04 PM
:cry:

RaiderNation
11-30-2006, 05:18 PM
thx for the pic

we better. this might be our only chance to get another win. our only other big chance to win is vs the rams. we still gotta play CIN, KC and the jets

locseti
11-30-2006, 05:20 PM
:cry:

*In George Lopez's Voice* Why you crying?? You know were gonna beat the lowly Texans!

jmanz
11-30-2006, 05:23 PM
Our offense SHOULD be able to get something going this week.

Vader
11-30-2006, 05:23 PM
1st round 3rd pick: Calvin Johnson WR

2nd round 3rd pick: DeMarcus Tyler DT

3rd round 3rd pick: Can't think of who i want here yet , but y'all be the first to no.

RaiderNation
11-30-2006, 05:53 PM
a qb in the 3rd. smith wont be their so maybe the qb out of florida. i forgot his name its like chris something

11-30-2006, 05:55 PM
a qb in the 3rd. smith wont be their so maybe the qb out of florida. i forgot his name its like chris something

You can get leak much later than the 3rd, probably in the 5th and you really shouldn't want him anyway. He won't do anything in the NFL.

locseti
11-30-2006, 05:59 PM
a qb in the 3rd. smith wont be their so maybe the qb out of florida. i forgot his name its like chris something

You can get leak much later than the 3rd, probably in the 5th and you really shouldn't want him anyway. He won't do anything in the NFL.

Leak is an above average backup at best, wouldnt mind having him and dropping Tui's ass.

CTCowboysFan
11-30-2006, 05:59 PM
So what do you guys think the Raiders will do at the quarterback position. Obviously you'll have a top five pick, would you like to take a QB in the draft or free agency, or as you know there are rumors of the Vick trade which I don't believe. Who do you think they'll end up with?

RaiderNation
11-30-2006, 06:02 PM
i think we r goin to get either have vick or troy smith. id be suprised if al dosent get a mobile qb. r there any qb's that r good in UFA? shaub is a RFA so we would have to give up a draft pick

11-30-2006, 06:04 PM
i think we r goin got either have vick or troy smith. id be suprised if al dosent get a mobile qb. r there any qb's that r good in UFA? shaub is a RFA so we would have to give up a draft pick

Troy Smith won't have much mobility at all in the NFL, he isn't quick enough. Chris Simms is the best UFA QB, so there's not much available in the QB talent pool.

11-30-2006, 06:05 PM
a qb in the 3rd. smith wont be their so maybe the qb out of florida. i forgot his name its like chris something

You can get leak much later than the 3rd, probably in the 5th and you really shouldn't want him anyway. He won't do anything in the NFL.

Leak is an above average backup at best, wouldnt mind having him and dropping Tui's ass.

You guys are way too bad to be using 3rd rounders on backups. And wouldn't he be your 3rd stringer?

RaiderNation
11-30-2006, 06:14 PM
i thought leak would be a better prospect. guess i was wrong. since he is sopost to suck, i think we gotta get a OL in the 3rd round

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-30-2006, 06:41 PM
With the way Tank Tyler's stock has been rising this year i wouldnt be suprised if he went as high as 15 overall.a very good nt.i dont see it likely he would fall out of the first round but it is possible.
My Mock would go like this..
1.CJ
2.Woodley DE
3.Marcus Thomas dt

nobodyinparticular
11-30-2006, 06:43 PM
I wouldn't mind picking up Chris Simms. His problem has more been that he just doesn't fit in the WCO that Gruden put him in. He's got a big arm and pretty good mobility actually. If the Raiders don't like Walter and they don't get/like Quinn then I would say Simms might be well worth a look.

11-30-2006, 06:45 PM
With the way Tank Tyler's stock has been rising this year i wouldnt be suprised if he went as high as 15 overall.a very good nt.i dont see it likely he would fall out of the first round but it is possible.
My Mock would go like this..
1.CJ
2.Woodley DE
3.Marcus Thomas dt

Only two DT's are legit top 15 picks right, Alan Branch and Quinn Pitcock. Tyler is a late first-early 2nd guy right now.

CTCowboysFan
11-30-2006, 06:47 PM
I could never see Simms in an Oakland uniform.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-30-2006, 06:58 PM
With the way Tank Tyler's stock has been rising this year i wouldnt be suprised if he went as high as 15 overall.a very good nt.i dont see it likely he would fall out of the first round but it is possible.
My Mock would go like this..
1.CJ
2.Woodley DE
3.Marcus Thomas dt

Only two DT's are legit top 15 picks right, Alan Branch and Quinn Pitcock. Tyler is a late first-early 2nd guy right now.i dint say he was i said by the way his stock has rised and can continue to rise.

RaiderNation
11-30-2006, 07:00 PM
im now wanting to get quien. there r no really proven qbs in FA. this is my want list for the 1st round

1Cj WR
2 quien QB
3 AD RB
4 branch DT

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-30-2006, 07:08 PM
A guy that i like also is Brian Leonard.

Komp
11-30-2006, 07:09 PM
Raiders won't address QB this year I don't think. We are starting to head in the right direction with our defense and I think the offense will start developing a bit next year as well. I think we'll grab CJ in round 1, and then DL in rd2. I would love to see them grab an athletic TE in round 3 or grab another lineman [DL/OL doesn't matter to me]. I watched Greg Olsen [Miami] a few weeks ago and he looked excellent. Really good hands.

At this point in time, I'd rather get a QB through free agency than the draft and if there are none this year, than wait till next year.

RaiderNation
11-30-2006, 07:11 PM
they have brian brohm going i the 20's in round 1. i think we can get moss and a 3 rounder or 2nd rounder for him. or it could be russel. just depends who TB will get

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-30-2006, 07:14 PM
NIP thats a kickass sig.

nobodyinparticular
11-30-2006, 07:17 PM
Raiders won't address QB this year I don't think. We are starting to head in the right direction with our defense and I think the offense will start developing a bit next year as well. I think we'll grab CJ in round 1, and then DL in rd2. I would love to see them grab an athletic TE in round 3 or grab another lineman [DL/OL doesn't matter to me]. I watched Greg Olsen [Miami] a few weeks ago and he looked excellent. Really good hands.

At this point in time, I'd rather get a QB through free agency than the draft and if there are none this year, than wait till next year.

The problem I see with the "offense coming around" is that it's not like they are all spring chickens here. The only guys who could "breakout" are the whole offensive line, Curry and Walter. Walter, however, seems to have fallen out of favor, Curry is never getting any time except when there are 3 WRs (i.e. only 10 plays a game) and the offensive line... Meh... Boothe is promising, McQuistan has potential and I still haven't given up on Gallery... But Moss is someone who has fallen completely out of favor with me, Porter should be gone, Whitted is a 32-year old Olympic sprinter with no hands and no route running ability and Courtney Anderson and Randal Williams have the hands of the Statue of Liberty.

Madsen could be good for us if he can stay healthy.

locseti
11-30-2006, 08:21 PM
Raiders won't address QB this year I don't think. We are starting to head in the right direction with our defense and I think the offense will start developing a bit next year as well. I think we'll grab CJ in round 1, and then DL in rd2. I would love to see them grab an athletic TE in round 3 or grab another lineman [DL/OL doesn't matter to me]. I watched Greg Olsen [Miami] a few weeks ago and he looked excellent. Really good hands.

At this point in time, I'd rather get a QB through free agency than the draft and if there are none this year, than wait till next year.

The problem I see with the "offense coming around" is that it's not like they are all spring chickens here. The only guys who could "breakout" are the whole offensive line, Curry and Walter. Walter, however, seems to have fallen out of favor, Curry is never getting any time except when there are 3 WRs (i.e. only 10 plays a game) and the offensive line... Meh... Boothe is promising, McQuistan has potential and I still haven't given up on Gallery... But Moss is someone who has fallen completely out of favor with me, Porter should be gone, Whitted is a 32-year old Olympic sprinter with no hands and no route running ability and Courtney Anderson and Randal Williams have the hands of the Statue of Liberty.

Madsen could be good for us if he can stay healthy.

Ya, that is a dope sig...But do you really think Simms has what it takes to make it in the NFL??? I haven't made my mind up about him yet, but I think his pedigree outweighs his talent. Remember when he was at Texas and wasnt even starting over a guy named Major Applewhite?? Hes tough as hell, but I think he gets rattled really easily and makes bad decisions. I seriously prefer Gradkowski over Simms, as I think Gruden does too. I just have no confidence in Simms.


And what you said about Curry- he's in on maybe 10 plays a game, yet has more receptions, yards, and a better average than Whitted. Just more proof of Shell's unbelievably low football IQ.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-30-2006, 08:24 PM
Raiders won't address QB this year I don't think. We are starting to head in the right direction with our defense and I think the offense will start developing a bit next year as well. I think we'll grab CJ in round 1, and then DL in rd2. I would love to see them grab an athletic TE in round 3 or grab another lineman [DL/OL doesn't matter to me]. I watched Greg Olsen [Miami] a few weeks ago and he looked excellent. Really good hands.

At this point in time, I'd rather get a QB through free agency than the draft and if there are none this year, than wait till next year.

The problem I see with the "offense coming around" is that it's not like they are all spring chickens here. The only guys who could "breakout" are the whole offensive line, Curry and Walter. Walter, however, seems to have fallen out of favor, Curry is never getting any time except when there are 3 WRs (i.e. only 10 plays a game) and the offensive line... Meh... Boothe is promising, McQuistan has potential and I still haven't given up on Gallery... But Moss is someone who has fallen completely out of favor with me, Porter should be gone, Whitted is a 32-year old Olympic sprinter with no hands and no route running ability and Courtney Anderson and Randal Williams have the hands of the Statue of Liberty.

Madsen could be good for us if he can stay healthy.

Ya, that is a dope sig...But do you really think Simms has what it takes to make it in the NFL??? I haven't made my mind up about him yet, but I think his pedigree outweighs his talent. Remember when he was at Texas and wasnt even starting over a guy named Major Applewhite?? Hes tough as hell, but I think he gets rattled really easily and makes bad decisions. I seriously prefer Gradkowski over Simms, as I think Gruden does too. I just have no confidence in Simms.


And what you said about Curry- he's in on maybe 10 plays a game, yet has more receptions, yards, and a better average than Whitted. Just more proof of Shell's unbelievably low football IQ.didnt Vince Young have problems starting over a guy i think his name was Chance Mock or something like that.

locseti
11-30-2006, 09:17 PM
Raiders won't address QB this year I don't think. We are starting to head in the right direction with our defense and I think the offense will start developing a bit next year as well. I think we'll grab CJ in round 1, and then DL in rd2. I would love to see them grab an athletic TE in round 3 or grab another lineman [DL/OL doesn't matter to me]. I watched Greg Olsen [Miami] a few weeks ago and he looked excellent. Really good hands.

At this point in time, I'd rather get a QB through free agency than the draft and if there are none this year, than wait till next year.

The problem I see with the "offense coming around" is that it's not like they are all spring chickens here. The only guys who could "breakout" are the whole offensive line, Curry and Walter. Walter, however, seems to have fallen out of favor, Curry is never getting any time except when there are 3 WRs (i.e. only 10 plays a game) and the offensive line... Meh... Boothe is promising, McQuistan has potential and I still haven't given up on Gallery... But Moss is someone who has fallen completely out of favor with me, Porter should be gone, Whitted is a 32-year old Olympic sprinter with no hands and no route running ability and Courtney Anderson and Randal Williams have the hands of the Statue of Liberty.

Madsen could be good for us if he can stay healthy.

Ya, that is a dope sig...But do you really think Simms has what it takes to make it in the NFL??? I haven't made my mind up about him yet, but I think his pedigree outweighs his talent. Remember when he was at Texas and wasnt even starting over a guy named Major Applewhite?? Hes tough as hell, but I think he gets rattled really easily and makes bad decisions. I seriously prefer Gradkowski over Simms, as I think Gruden does too. I just have no confidence in Simms.


And what you said about Curry- he's in on maybe 10 plays a game, yet has more receptions, yards, and a better average than Whitted. Just more proof of Shell's unbelievably low football IQ.didnt Vince Young have problems starting over a guy i think his name was Chance Mock or something like that.


Maybe thats how they do it in Texas cause I read today that McCoy's backup, a true freshman who finished his senior season early so he could compete for the starting job (which he narrowly lost), is transferring cause he doesent think he'll get the opportunity to play...