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raiderfan_89
12-01-2006, 12:14 AM
By the way.

Komp
12-01-2006, 12:46 AM
What I meant by "the offense coming around" is that it will be better next year. I don't see how they can possibly be worse. The OL is the most important part of an offense [and its not like we have ANY position that is playing well on O] so as they improve so should the O. I am also guessing that we do get rid of Porter and Moss by next year so that goes into the equation as well in terms of them improving.

Even Madsen's performance last week was a step in the right direction. I'd rather have some backup busting his ass all over and making plays, than have Moss out there half assing routes.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-01-2006, 09:39 AM
What I meant by "the offense coming around" is that it will be better next year. I don't see how they can possibly be worse. The OL is the most important part of an offense [and its not like we have ANY position that is playing well on O] so as they improve so should the O. I am also guessing that we do get rid of Porter and Moss by next year so that goes into the equation as well in terms of them improving.

Even Madsen's performance last week was a step in the right direction. I'd rather have some backup busting his ass all over and making plays, than have Moss out there half assing routes.I think the Raiders picked up a diamon in Boothe.

jmanz
12-01-2006, 12:08 PM
What I meant by "the offense coming around" is that it will be better next year. I don't see how they can possibly be worse. The OL is the most important part of an offense [and its not like we have ANY position that is playing well on O] so as they improve so should the O. I am also guessing that we do get rid of Porter and Moss by next year so that goes into the equation as well in terms of them improving.

Even Madsen's performance last week was a step in the right direction. I'd rather have some backup busting his ass all over and making plays, than have Moss out there half assing routes.I think the Raiders picked up a diamon in Boothe.

He is playing well indeed.

Raiderz4Life
12-01-2006, 01:19 PM
Over the last 2 weeks i've become a HUGE Darren McFadden fan, i want the raiders to pick him when he's eligible.

portermvp84
12-01-2006, 01:38 PM
I really hope we beat the Texans, I forgot how much a win feels. I'm so glad Aarron Brooks is back, last week we put up a good fight. We just came up short with tha INT.

jmanz
12-01-2006, 05:26 PM
Over the last 2 weeks i've become a HUGE Darren McFadden fan, i want the raiders to pick him when he's eligible.

Yes McFadden is a stud. I like him better than AP.

Windy
12-01-2006, 05:47 PM
I think we might be signing paul edinger to kick temporarily because SeaBass is battling a back problem. The front office also called Vanderjagt but he wanted no part of kicking on a week to week basis.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-01-2006, 06:01 PM
I think we might be signing paul edinger to kick temporarily because SeaBass is battling a back problem. The front office also called Vanderjagt but he wanted no part of kicking on a week to week basis.
He kicks funny.

locseti
12-01-2006, 07:06 PM
I think we might be signing paul edinger to kick temporarily because SeaBass is battling a back problem. The front office also called Vanderjagt but he wanted no part of kicking on a week to week basis.
He kicks funny.

The old corkscrew is probably more accurate than Sebass

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-01-2006, 07:08 PM
I think we might be signing paul edinger to kick temporarily because SeaBass is battling a back problem. The front office also called Vanderjagt but he wanted no part of kicking on a week to week basis.
He kicks funny.

The old corkscrew is probably more accurate than Sebassboth are terrible if you ask me.just pick one up in fa.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-01-2006, 07:56 PM
my top three for three rounds.....
Round 1.
1.Gaines Adams DE
2.CJ WR
3.Lynch RB
Round 2.
1.Lammar Woodley DE
2.Aaron Sears RT
3.Paul Williams WR
Round 3.
1.Marcus Thomas DT
2.Steve Smith WR
3.Brian Leonard FB
if not Thomas in the third than McBean in the fourth.

RaiderNation
12-01-2006, 09:06 PM
i would have quinn instead of lynch. i agree with the rest

slightlyaraiderfan
12-02-2006, 01:52 AM
If we were to go defense in the 1st round, I would prefer Branch. Our run defense sucks, its terrible...a huge DT like Branch is what our defense needs.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-02-2006, 03:03 AM
If we were to go defense in the 1st round, I would prefer Branch. Our run defense sucks, its terrible...a huge DT like Branch is what our defense needs.

It ain't that bad, just inconsistent. When it's on it is really really good.

Not that I wouldn't love Branch, but right now I'd like to add a consistent playmaker to the offense like Johnson or Peterson.

Crow
12-02-2006, 10:37 AM
i think we r goin got either have vick or troy smith. id be suprised if al dosent get a mobile qb. r there any qb's that r good in UFA? shaub is a RFA so we would have to give up a draft pick

Troy Smith won't have much mobility at all in the NFL, he isn't quick enough. Chris Simms is the best UFA QB, so there's not much available in the QB talent pool.
I'd rate Tim Rattay over Son of Simms, personally.

We'll probably stick with Brooks/Walter next year and bring in someone like Rattay for the 3rd spot. I seriously doubt we'll draft one. Certainly not on day 1.

Crow
12-02-2006, 10:48 AM
If we were to go defense in the 1st round, I would prefer Branch. Our run defense sucks, its terrible...a huge DT like Branch is what our defense needs.

It ain't that bad, just inconsistent. When it's on it is really really good.

Not that I wouldn't love Branch, but right now I'd like to add a consistent playmaker to the offense like Johnson or Peterson.

Gap responsibility seems to be the biggest problem for our run defense. That said, Branch still looks damn good. A short yardage defense with Branch and Terd eating up the middle, with Kelly and Brayton outside? Stout.

An upgrade at Sam backer wouldn't hurt, though.

But yeah, I'd like to see us land a playmaking RB somewhere. Be it AP in 1, move up from Rd2 into late Rd1 for Irons, or sit back and let Michael Bush fall to us in 2.

Komp
12-02-2006, 11:37 AM
If we don't go for all AD [I think we would take CJ, Adams and Branch over him] I think we should wait until next year to grab a RB. Lynch and AD are both good pro prospects [as is Bush], but other than that it is looking like a weak draft for RB's. That said I love Kenny Irons in the college game but I think he is too small to be a difference maker in the NFL.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-02-2006, 12:01 PM
Darren McFadden thats all i gotta say.

Komp
12-02-2006, 01:16 PM
Darren McFadden thats all i gotta say.

Yep he is something else isn't he? Reminds me a lot of Larry Johnson...very physical.

Crow
12-02-2006, 01:17 PM
Irons may not be a guy you want to have touch the ball 400 times, but smart coaching staffs don't even ask that of their 230 pound backs. That's why guys like Jamal Lewis, Jamal Anderson, Terrell Davis, etc broke down.

Give Irons 15-20 touches every game with Crockett getting 10+ and I think the RB position would be set up pretty well...especially if the OL has figured out how to block by then.

49ersfan_87
12-02-2006, 01:24 PM
Hey guys i just have a question. Are you guys going to stay with walter, sign a free agent qb, or consider drafting quinn if he falls to you? Brooks looks a lot better than walter, but then again walter is basically a rookie. Im just wondering if youll try with him next year because it seems brooks is the better option right now.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-02-2006, 01:44 PM
Hey guys i just have a question. Are you guys going to stay with walter, sign a free agent qb, or consider drafting quinn if he falls to you? Brooks looks a lot better than walter, but then again walter is basically a rookie. Im just wondering if youll try with him next year because it seems brooks is the better option right now.Al doesnt draft 1st round QBs anymore so Quinn wont be a Raider.Brooks isnt the answer and Walter doesnt look like it either.So a fa or a draft pick other than the 1st round is logical.

jmanz
12-02-2006, 01:45 PM
Darren McFadden thats all i gotta say.

Yep he is something else isn't he? Reminds me a lot of Larry Johnson...very physical.

Yeah he is a very good player....would look great in the silver and black.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-02-2006, 02:12 PM
Darren McFadden thats all i gotta say.

Yep he is something else isn't he? Reminds me a lot of Larry Johnson...very physical.

Yeah he is a very good player....would look great in the silver and black.I like his size and how he plays with it.He runs hard and has good power but i think he could definetely bulk up even more.hes 6'2 205.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-02-2006, 02:49 PM
We can worry about McFadden when he comes out next year, he's still a soph.

jmanz
12-02-2006, 03:13 PM
We can worry about McFadden when he comes out next year, he's still a soph.

good point sir

Windy
12-02-2006, 09:13 PM
I know its impossible but i'd throw bags of money at Urban Meyer to be HC

bearsfan_51
12-02-2006, 09:15 PM
I know its impossible but i'd throw bags of money at Urban Meyer to be HC
Paper money or coin money?

Windy
12-02-2006, 09:21 PM
I know its impossible but i'd throw bags of money at Urban Meyer to be HC
Paper money or coin money?

Probably coins

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 12:57 AM
Raiders CB Nnamdi Asomugha is having a break-out season in 2006. Fans know his name, number, and can count on him to be the thorn in the side of an opposing NFL offense. This Los Angeles native is currently ranked seventh in the league with five interceptions and he returned one for 24 yards against Pittsburgh, which marked his first touchdown of his NFL career.
When asked about his interceptions this year, it's proven that patience is a virtue. Asomugha stated, "Last year I had 14 breakups, but no picks; it was just getting used to playing man [defense] so much. This year, just gaining that experience, now you know when to look back, but in man defense you're not going to get as many interceptions as you do in zone, but when you do get the interceptions, you know you worked for them."
just thought this was an interesting article.
http://www.raiders.com/newsroom/newsroomNewsDetail.jsp?id=29256

jmanz
12-03-2006, 10:53 AM
Nice find, thanks. He is having a great year for sure.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:06 PM
I cant find the Raiders game on Tv.am i forgetting something?

jmanz
12-03-2006, 03:14 PM
Not on for me either but I'm no where near the bay area. Not a good start to this one.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 03:17 PM
I like the fact that they are getting Curry involved early.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:35 PM
Not on for me either but I'm no where near the bay area. Not a good start to this one.live 15 minutes from Oakland and cant get it.stupid ass reshard lee.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:37 PM
Demeco i hate you.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:40 PM
62 yards geez.i love you lechler.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 03:41 PM
There is no other punter I'd rather have than lechler.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:43 PM
Nice hit Sands.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:46 PM
nice return Carr.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:47 PM
1st down.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:47 PM
1st down.

Windy
12-03-2006, 03:49 PM
the oline needs to step up

jmanz
12-03-2006, 03:50 PM
Time to punch it in.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:55 PM
TTTTTTTTTDDDDDDDD.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 03:56 PM
there we go

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 03:58 PM
Nice return.

Windy
12-03-2006, 03:59 PM
what did cc brown do to moss?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:00 PM
3&Out.good job defense.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:04 PM
what did cc brown do to moss?im not sure but i think he kicked him.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:04 PM
what did cc brown do to moss?

?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:05 PM
what did cc brown do to moss?im not sure but i think he kicked him.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:06 PM
dang int.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:08 PM
was the int tipped at the line? Not watching the game, just following online.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:10 PM
Great plays by Carr and Burgess.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:12 PM
Carr is ripping it up.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:13 PM
Im not sure but i think that Brooks was hit as he threw.im following it by radio.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:19 PM
dang it Ryans is a menace.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:21 PM
stupid refs didnt call for tripping.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:22 PM
dang it Ryans is a menace.

yes, he's all over the place......terrible series there.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:27 PM
Burgess and Sapp both deserve pro bowls this year.

Windy
12-03-2006, 04:29 PM
Burgess and Sapp both deserve pro bowls this year.

I read on ESPN that Warren Sapp is in 2nd place for AFC DL's

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:30 PM
god dang it another sack and this one out of field goal range.thats 4 for this half.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:32 PM
fricken kalu's sacks hurt....one for minus 15, the other for minus 12

Windy
12-03-2006, 04:32 PM
KIRK MORRISON !!!!!!!

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:34 PM
speaking of pro bowl.....Mr Morrison

locseti
12-03-2006, 04:36 PM
OUR D IS THE SHIZNIT...Morrison better make the Pro Bowl. Sucks this game isnt on TV, sounds like a great game.

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 04:44 PM
what website r u following the game on?

why isnt it on tv this time? didnt sell out?

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:46 PM
what website r u following the game on?

why isnt it on tv this time? didnt sell out?

I'm on nfl.com

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:52 PM
Yikes, thats what we DIDN'T need to start the second half.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 04:53 PM
http://www.ksfo560.com/raiders.asp
damn it mathis.
if we dont win this game then im gonna be pissed.their offense has done nothing.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 04:56 PM
http://www.ksfo560.com/raiders.asp
damn it mathis.
if we dont win this game then im gonna be pissed.their offense has done nothing.

thanks for the link man, i'm listening now too!

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:06 PM
fire Seabass.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:10 PM
BurgessBurgessBurgess cant say enough about him.

locseti
12-03-2006, 05:11 PM
I hate Janikowski...I thought we picked up edinger?

jmanz
12-03-2006, 05:16 PM
stupid penalties killing our drives

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:18 PM
I love Crokett.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:23 PM
God dang penalties.
And god kill Seabass for me.please. :evil:

Windy
12-03-2006, 05:23 PM
this is why seabass shouldnt be active today. he is hurt. you dont play a hurt kicker

slightlyaraiderfan
12-03-2006, 05:23 PM
wow, it seems like his back is really bothering him. 3 freaking misses

jmanz
12-03-2006, 05:23 PM
man oh man

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:27 PM
Stop that loser Dayne.

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 05:30 PM
getting ran all over by him

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 05:32 PM
we stoped them :)

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:37 PM
No good what luck. :D

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 05:37 PM
****!!!!!!!! almost ran it back on us

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:39 PM
LEchler im speachless you do everything. :D

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 05:40 PM
lol. we stopped them. they gotta kick a fg now

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:40 PM
Yes Sam Williams loss of 10 yards.
Freeze him.make him think about his last miss.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:48 PM
*************that might be the game.
Greenwood is all over the place as well.
good catch TS 1st down.

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 05:48 PM
defence isdoing great this game. score should be 14 to 10 but freaking R lee fumbled and it was ran back

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:51 PM
Im gonna kill you Williams.

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 05:52 PM
fuckn ****. we fumbled again

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:55 PM
*********************penalties.

NIN1984
12-03-2006, 05:57 PM
no one on offense can do their job and special teams is just as bad they are blowing games for us every week

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:58 PM
if Seabass had hit his 3 field goals it would be 21 to 29 Oakland.idiot seabass.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 05:59 PM
if Seabass had hit his 3 field goals it would be 21 to 29 Oakland.idiot seabass.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-03-2006, 06:00 PM
wow, good job Williams

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 06:00 PM
Ohh my god Williams im gonna kill you im gonna kill you.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 06:02 PM
And i thoguht Anderson was bad. :roll: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Windy
12-03-2006, 06:02 PM
this is horrible

jmanz
12-03-2006, 06:02 PM
man we need to get a decent TE in the worst way.

NIN1984
12-03-2006, 06:03 PM
Now lets see if Williams gets cut


omg David Carr has 32 yards passing and we still can't win

Crow
12-03-2006, 06:07 PM
Now lets see if Williams gets cut


omg David Carr has 32 yards passing and we still can't win

Negative 5 passing yards when you factor in the sacks.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-03-2006, 06:14 PM
Our pass defense is sick.

Only 4 more weeks of this..

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 06:15 PM
I might die to get Eric Johnson, or a good OC.

jmanz
12-03-2006, 06:22 PM
Ryans is just a crazy man. What a draft pick for them.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 06:31 PM
Now lets see if Williams gets cut


omg David Carr has 32 yards passing and we still can't win

Negative 5 passing yards when you factor in the sacks.just wait untill someone finds this out and makes a thread about it in the NFL section.

locseti
12-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Where's Doug Jolly ?? and could Lechler please learn how to kick fieldgoals?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Where's Doug Jolly ?? and could Lechler please learn how to kick fieldgoals?TB.

locseti
12-03-2006, 07:40 PM
Any good senior TE's out there? Wouldnt mind using a pick on a TE

RaiderNation
12-03-2006, 07:53 PM
not that i know of

Komp
12-03-2006, 08:07 PM
Losing all these games like this is killing me. I thought Shoop actually had a great game plan. When we weren't fumbling the ball we were moving into position for points. Special teams and fumbles made up all of their points.

If we get the first pick can we really pass on Quinn at this point? I know a lot of you want Alan Branch or CJ [I do too] but if we end up with the #1 pick it will be awfully tough to pass him up. We need some weapons on offense and some guys who can do something with the ball in their hands.

PS - Alvis Whitted timed his leap HORRIBLY on the 1st INT, I dunno wtf he was thinking.

locseti
12-03-2006, 08:25 PM
Losing all these games like this is killing me. I thought Shoop actually had a great game plan. When we weren't fumbling the ball we were moving into position for points. Special teams and fumbles made up all of their points.

If we get the first pick can we really pass on Quinn at this point? I know a lot of you want Alan Branch or CJ [I do too] but if we end up with the #1 pick it will be awfully tough to pass him up. We need some weapons on offense and some guys who can do something with the ball in their hands.

PS - Alvis Whitted timed his leap HORRIBLY on the 1st INT, I dunno wtf he was thinking.

Whitted sucks. As for the draft, I wouldnt be dissapointed if we selected Quinn. But I also wouldnt mind taking M Bush, AD, CJ, or Branch. I think they're all going to be studs at the next level, and we have needs in all those areas.

Windy
12-03-2006, 08:57 PM
all our reliable guys were terrible today. randal williams, whitted etc

Calvin Johnson here we come

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 09:53 PM
All of the defensive starters,(except Brayton)Lechler,Cooper,Routt,Poole,Sands,Hulsey,Jo hstone,Boothe,Gallery,McNasty,Madsen,Curry,Bing,Mo rant,Buchannon,AWal,Jordan,fargas,Crokett,Lee, are worth keeping everyone else can go to hell for all i care.

diabsoule
12-03-2006, 10:17 PM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 10:19 PM
Pretty much everything on offense and then dt, and de on defense.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 10:22 PM
Its hard really to know where to start.
in random order...
wr
dt
de
te
qb
some olineman.
new OC.

nobodyinparticular
12-03-2006, 10:59 PM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

That would go a long ways in helping the offense. Of course, the Raiders need to revamp that offensive line badly. Gallery can stay, Boothe is looking very good and McQuistan can stay. Everyone else is outta here.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-03-2006, 11:12 PM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

That would go a long ways in helping the offense. Of course, the Raiders need to revamp that offensive line badly. Gallery can stay, Boothe is looking very good and McQuistan can stay. Everyone else is outta here.

I'd get rid of Gallery before Grove, personally.

NIN1984
12-03-2006, 11:17 PM
Raiders need a QB plan and simple we need a leader! and fix up this O-line with free agents

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-03-2006, 11:53 PM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

That would go a long ways in helping the offense. Of course, the Raiders need to revamp that offensive line badly. Gallery can stay, Boothe is looking very good and McQuistan can stay. Everyone else is outta here.

I'd get rid of Gallery before Grove, personally.why grove has played like crap.the # of fumbled snaps is not acceptable.

nobodyinparticular
12-04-2006, 12:08 AM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

That would go a long ways in helping the offense. Of course, the Raiders need to revamp that offensive line badly. Gallery can stay, Boothe is looking very good and McQuistan can stay. Everyone else is outta here.

I'd get rid of Gallery before Grove, personally.

After today's pathetic day (and the many pathetic games leading up to it) I'm through with Grove. Gallery was showing growth and the Raiders' offensive line has shown a severe turn for the worse with Gallery gone. He may not be great, but he's probably the 2nd best we've got (Boothe being the best).

slightlyaraiderfan
12-04-2006, 12:37 AM
Grove seems to get pushed back alot, he's not strong at the point of attack.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-04-2006, 12:44 AM
I just feel that Grove, at worst, would make a solid guard. Gallery seems to be stuck in a mental rut that I'm not sure he's ever going to get out of.

portermvp84
12-04-2006, 08:42 AM
How the hell did we loose to the Texans? That should of been a for sure win. Once again our offense couldn't move the ball in the second half. Brooks played average and Moss had 4 receptions, and to cap it off Fargus had a short run touchdown.

jmanz
12-04-2006, 10:35 AM
How the hell did we loose to the Texans? That should of been a for sure win. Once again our offense couldn't move the ball in the second half. Brooks played average and Moss had 4 receptions, and to cap it off Fargus had a short run touchdown.

I know, going into the game I thought we would sneak a win out somehow.

Number 10
12-04-2006, 01:33 PM
What do you think the chances of both Porter and Moss returning next year are?

jmanz
12-04-2006, 01:46 PM
What do you think the chances of both Porter and Moss returning next year are?

Very slim I would think.

portermvp84
12-04-2006, 01:47 PM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Number 10
12-04-2006, 01:57 PM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Which is why I am having a hard time giving Johnson to the Raiders in my mock. I would think Thomas would be the smarter pick.

raiderfan4life
12-04-2006, 02:27 PM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Which is why I am having a hard time giving Johnson to the Raiders in my mock. I would think Thomas would be the smarter pick.

fuuck no!!!!! he will be robert gallery part 2

Komp
12-04-2006, 02:56 PM
I really wouldn't be surprised for us to trade Moss to someone for their late 1st rd pick or early 2nd pick [maybe the Pats or Jags]. If Moss and Porter are gone it makes CJ the easy choice in my opinion.

Windy
12-04-2006, 03:07 PM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Which is why I am having a hard time giving Johnson to the Raiders in my mock. I would think Thomas would be the smarter pick.

fuuck no!!!!! he will be robert gallery part 2


lol. moss is nothing and he will be traded. we need a #1 wr

raiderfan4life
12-04-2006, 04:03 PM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Which is why I am having a hard time giving Johnson to the Raiders in my mock. I would think Thomas would be the smarter pick.

fuuck no!!!!! he will be robert gallery part 2


lol. moss is nothing and he will be traded. we need a #1 wr

I'm talking about joe thomas = robert gallery part 2 lol.... :( :( :( :lol: :lol: :lol:

12-04-2006, 06:30 PM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Which is why I am having a hard time giving Johnson to the Raiders in my mock. I would think Thomas would be the smarter pick.

fuuck no!!!!! he will be robert gallery part 2

and you say that why?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-04-2006, 07:17 PM
Al doesnt like his money being taken away from him from a whinny baby who cant catch.Moss is as good as gone.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-04-2006, 07:20 PM
I would never get Joe Thomas.I still beleive in Gallery.The line has gone south ever since his injury.
Davis wouldnt pick him over CJ anyway.
And even if Cj was gone id still pcik Adams over Thomas.

bernbabybern820
12-04-2006, 10:48 PM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

That would go a long ways in helping the offense. Of course, the Raiders need to revamp that offensive line badly. Gallery can stay, Boothe is looking very good and McQuistan can stay. Everyone else is outta here.

I'd get rid of Gallery before Grove, personally.

thats because Gallery's mistakes are a LOT more magnified than Grove. Kind of like a scape goat. Even a false start penalty for gallery people are all over him even though our other lineman are just as bad. i dont know if mcnasty will be ready next year. what i do know is that we need a rt though.

portermvp84
12-05-2006, 09:45 AM
Very Slim, Porter will be out for sure, but I think we might keep Moss around and see if his attitude changes.

Which is why I am having a hard time giving Johnson to the Raiders in my mock. I would think Thomas would be the smarter pick.

fuuck no!!!!! he will be robert gallery part 2

and you say that why?


Because Robert Gallery was the man in college, then you seen what happened when he got in the pro's he was suppose to be so good and then he turned out to be a bust. Joe Thomas could turn out the same way and we don't need another bust our line. It would be a safe pick going with either CJ or AP.

portermvp84
12-05-2006, 09:48 AM
You guys could land CJ with the first pick and then Michael Bush in the 2nd.

What are your areas of need ranked in order?

That would go a long ways in helping the offense. Of course, the Raiders need to revamp that offensive line badly. Gallery can stay, Boothe is looking very good and McQuistan can stay. Everyone else is outta here.

I'd get rid of Gallery before Grove, personally.

thats because Gallery's mistakes are a LOT more magnified than Grove. Kind of like a scape goat. Even a false start penalty for gallery people are all over him even though our other lineman are just as bad. i dont know if mcnasty will be ready next year. what i do know is that we need a rt though.


The reason why every one blames all that on him because he lets up sacks like no other, it doesn't even look like he is trying. The game against Seattle he let Grant Wistrom by him at least 4 times. Ever since he has been out Chad Slaughter has been playing better than him. The smart thing to do is get rid of him or don't start him it's thgat simple.

portermvp84
12-05-2006, 09:51 AM
Another thing is I hope Andrew Walter never starts again, we've seen what he can do and he sucks very badly. Ever since Aarron Brooks came into action we can do alot more, like scramble, throw on the run, and make plays. I personally won't Andrew Walter done and gone, he just seems like the backup type. He could also turn out to be the next Bledsoe throwing clostly picks and getting sacker every drop back.

49ersfan_87
12-05-2006, 11:09 AM
Another thing is I hope Andrew Walter never starts again, we've seen what he can do and he sucks very badly. Ever since Aarron Brooks came into action we can do alot more, like scramble, throw on the run, and make plays. I personally won't Andrew Walter done and gone, he just seems like the backup type. He could also turn out to be the next Bledsoe throwing clostly picks and getting sacker every drop back.

Yeah, but your supporting cast is horrible. He also would look a lot better if moss didnt drop like 3 or 4 touchdown passes from walter. I still like walter, but brooks is gona be better obviously because hes a veteran. But im not in the raiders FO or even a raiders fan so i dont know all thats going on. Maybe hes regressed terribly from the past few games he played. If i were gm though id fix his supporting cast (o-line, rb, wr, te, everything..) and give him another shot.

Crow
12-05-2006, 11:17 AM
Porter and Moss already have their bags packed, I believe. The home crowd has turned on Moss, booing him during introductions. He's done.

Joe Thomas is highly unlikely.

CJ, AP, or...well...that's probably the two guys we'll be picking from unless Al freaks out and takes Ginn or some dumb sh/t like that.

As goofy as it seems, I think we'll avoid taking a DE if Kevin Huntley plays the rest of the year the way he played on Sunday.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-05-2006, 11:38 AM
Another thing is I hope Andrew Walter never starts again, we've seen what he can do and he sucks very badly. Ever since Aarron Brooks came into action we can do alot more, like scramble, throw on the run, and make plays. I personally won't Andrew Walter done and gone, he just seems like the backup type. He could also turn out to be the next Bledsoe throwing clostly picks and getting sacker every drop back.
Well..

I don't think Walter got a fair shot, and I don't know if he ever will with this group. Brooks is getting by with his legs, and in the offense that Al would prefer to run, we would want to keep our QB in the pocket and run the offense that way....but our OL sucks and so does our playcalling.

jmanz
12-05-2006, 01:26 PM
Another thing is I hope Andrew Walter never starts again, we've seen what he can do and he sucks very badly. Ever since Aarron Brooks came into action we can do alot more, like scramble, throw on the run, and make plays. I personally won't Andrew Walter done and gone, he just seems like the backup type. He could also turn out to be the next Bledsoe throwing clostly picks and getting sacker every drop back.
Well..

I don't think Walter got a fair shot, and I don't know if he ever will with this group. Brooks is getting by with his legs, and in the offense that Al would prefer to run, we would want to keep our QB in the pocket and run the offense that way....but our OL sucks and so does our playcalling.

I agree with you SARF. The o-line and playcalling did not help Walter out one bit. That being said, I would like a QB with a bit more mobility than Walter but regardless, it wasn't the best grounds to grade what is basically a rookie QB.

Komp
12-05-2006, 02:33 PM
You guys are right I don't think Walter got a fair shot either. His weaknesses [slow decision making cause he is a rookie, and slow feet] were amplified by an OL that couldn't give him time and bad playcalling.

Brooks is better atm, but he is no leader. Whenever something bad happens to Brooks on the field [fumble, int, etc] you look at him and its like he expected it to happen. I can't wait for another QB. Walter has way better intangibles in that sense than Brooks does. Brooks is ok with going 2-10 whereas Walter thinks its unacceptable.

Am I the only one who didn't mind Shoop's playcalling last game? I thought he did a pretty good job and if anyone could catch and hold onto the football they would have done a lot better.

locseti
12-05-2006, 02:57 PM
PorterMVP-can you tell me who won more games as a starter this year?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-05-2006, 06:52 PM
Walter is a complete statue back there.He needs to show dramatic improvement by the end of the year.

jmanz
12-05-2006, 07:17 PM
Walter is a complete statue back there.He needs to show dramatic improvement by the end of the year. Yeah the statue part is a bit pesky.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-05-2006, 07:29 PM
While I certainly wouldn't object (or at least, not very loudly) to us drafting a quarterback come April, I just don't see it happening. In that case, we will be returning Brooks and Walters. Walters obviously didn't get a fair shot with the state of out offensive line, and while he might not have shined, he showed glimpses (the Arizona game) of being a damn fine QB.

locseti
12-05-2006, 07:53 PM
I cant believe you're ready to give up on Walter already guys...If Peyton Manning was a Raider, no amount of checkoffs or audibles at the line could have saved him either.

jmanz
12-05-2006, 07:56 PM
I cant believe you're ready to give up on Walter already guys...If Peyton Manning was a Raider, no amount of checkoffs or audibles at the line could have saved him either.

The majority here have not given up on him.

locseti
12-05-2006, 08:33 PM
I cant believe you're ready to give up on Walter already guys...If Peyton Manning was a Raider, no amount of checkoffs or audibles at the line could have saved him either.

The majority here have not given up on him.

good to hear Jmanz

LookItsAlDavis
12-05-2006, 09:08 PM
I still think we shouldn't have passed on Matt Leinart.

Komp
12-05-2006, 09:16 PM
I think Quinn will be a better pro than Leinart.

MikeD
12-06-2006, 01:31 AM
The raiders should draft jamarcus russel or try to get harrington

locseti
12-06-2006, 01:46 AM
The raiders should draft jamarcus russel or try to get harrington

I think the Fins will definitely keep Joey, though I would rather have him than Aaron Brooks...But do you think Russell would fall to the second? I don't know, but I doubt it...

nobodyinparticular
12-06-2006, 09:17 AM
The raiders should draft jamarcus russel or try to get harrington

I think the Fins will definitely keep Joey, though I would rather have him than Aaron Brooks...But do you think Russell would fall to the second? I don't know, but I doubt it...

We would have to take Russell with our first rounder in the top 5 or else at least trade Moss to the Patriots and then trade up with our 2nd rounder or Porter. Or both.

Russell may not even make it out of the Top 10. That's how high on him a lot of people are.

P-L
12-06-2006, 11:04 AM
I think I know the answer by reading some of the posts, but I just want to make sure. We all know Al Davis doesn't draft QB. However, if you guys were put in charge of the Raiders' draft, would you consider drafting a QB?

Paranoidmoonduck
12-06-2006, 11:59 AM
I think I know the answer by reading some of the posts, but I just want to make sure. We all know Al Davis doesn't draft QB. However, if you guys were put in charge of the Raiders' draft, would you consider drafting a QB?

I would certainly consider it. Hopefully, were I in that position, I'd have more insight as to the future of the wideout corps, what exactly is up with Jordan, if Gallery is mindfucking himself on the field, etc.

I feel bringing a young, promising quarterback onto this team would yield very or no immediate return (or at any rate, much less than bringing in some of the other talented players in this draft). Neither Quinn, Russell, nor Brohm are particularly fleet of foot, and while Walter has drawn some ire for his lack of mobility, if you surround him by a halfway decent line he has shown he can buy himself time with his feet.

So with the chance of drafting a quarterback able to escape the defenders who will slip between our offensive linemen entirely gone (or at least in the 1st round), it would stand to reason that our offensive line has to get a hell of a lot better. Add in the factor that until we do shore up the line, we won't have any real idea of what we have in Walters. Like I said a page back or so, he hasn't been all awful this year. When the offensive line has either played decently or faced a terrible defensive line, Walter has shown glimpses of being rather good.

So, basically, bringing in a young new quarterback, would be, in my opinion, an exercise in futility. Were I in charge I would definitely consider it, but some major things would have to change between now and April for me to pull the trigger on that.

jmanz
12-06-2006, 12:18 PM
I would have had a really hard time passing up on Cutler last year if I was the guy in charge. That said, I'm a big Huff fan so it would have been a tough call.

P-L
12-07-2006, 10:26 PM
I thought I'd bump this because it didn't get lost...

Paranoidmoonduck
12-07-2006, 10:29 PM
Well fancy that. I was afraid that long answer I wrote for P-L was lost forever.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-07-2006, 10:33 PM
McNasty is to start at LG. :D
I could care less if we get CJ in next years draft.And if we dont get him then we get DeSean Jackson next year.
I think 3 of our starters on the OLine next year will be Boothe,Gallery,and McNasty.The other two i really dont know.
According to some people Hulsey played extremely well last game.just an interesting note.
I doubt Carr is really going to get kicked out of Houston.I cant recall how much money is given to him but it was a good amount.
Nonetheless id greet him in Oakland with open arms.
Simms-dont like him that much but....he could be good.
I still like Schaub the best.
Walter better show improvement if he wants to stay nest year as a possible starter.
just 2 Qbs in the draft i like.....
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/kevinkolb.html
Trent Edwards Qb Stanford

weezer1195
12-07-2006, 10:33 PM
A raiders trade down for jamarcus russel would be interesting. Use the extra picks gained in combo with moss/porter to trade into another 1st round pick. Maybe target marshawn lynch or a receiver.

P-L
12-07-2006, 10:36 PM
Well fancy that. I was afraid that long answer I wrote for P-L was lost forever.

And thank you for your answer now could you help me with my mock. The Raiders nabbed CJ in round one. Who do they look at in round two?

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-07-2006, 10:39 PM
A raiders trade down for jamarcus russel would be interesting. Use the extra picks gained in combo with moss/porter to trade into another 1st round pick. Maybe target marshawn lynch or a receiver.but extremely unrealistic.Al doesnt draft 1st round QBs.

nobodyinparticular
12-07-2006, 10:40 PM
I thought I'd bump this because it didn't get lost...

Whoa, where'd it go?

Paranoidmoonduck
12-07-2006, 10:41 PM
Well fancy that. I was afraid that long answer I wrote for P-L was lost forever.

And thank you for your answer now could you help me with my mock. The Raiders nabbed CJ in round one. Who do they look at in round two?

Depends who is left in your draft. If Zach Miller is available I'd go that way, Oakland needs a TE badly.

nobodyinparticular
12-07-2006, 10:42 PM
Well fancy that. I was afraid that long answer I wrote for P-L was lost forever.

And thank you for your answer now could you help me with my mock. The Raiders nabbed CJ in round one. Who do they look at in round two?

Depends who is left in your draft. If Zach Miller is available I'd go that way, Oakland needs a TE badly.

Kenny Irons or Michael Bush might also be good picks.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-07-2006, 10:43 PM
Well fancy that. I was afraid that long answer I wrote for P-L was lost forever.

And thank you for your answer now could you help me with my mock. The Raiders nabbed CJ in round one. Who do they look at in round two?

Depends who is left in your draft. If Zach Miller is available I'd go that way, Oakland needs a TE badly.

Kenny Irons or Michael Bush might also be good picks.i myself would rather wait for next year to draft McFadden if we dont draft Ap this year.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-07-2006, 10:44 PM
RT
DE
DT
TE
WR
C
are all needs.dont ask me which one is needed most im not sure.
rb as well but not so much.

P-L
12-07-2006, 10:48 PM
I actually was going to give you guys Miller, but I thought I'd ask because I didn't know about the possibility of drafting a WR and a TE in the first two rounds. Kenny Irons is also available.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-07-2006, 10:50 PM
I actually was going to give you guys Miller, but I thought I'd ask because I didn't know about the possibility of drafting a WR and a TE in the first two rounds. Kenny Irons is also available.

I don't think Irons has the physical chops to lure Al Davis that way, but I suppose it is possible. Were I making the pick, Miller would be my choice.

locseti
12-07-2006, 10:59 PM
Michael Bush in silver and black would be sick!!

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-07-2006, 11:03 PM
I just llooked some stats.
The Raiders allow 4.1 ypc.
So do the Bears.
But the Raiders have 90 more carries against them than the Bears.interesting.

jmanz
12-07-2006, 11:48 PM
sweet, our thread is back!!

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-07-2006, 11:59 PM
sweet, our thread is back!!yah thanks to Pats-Lions.

jmanz
12-08-2006, 12:10 AM
sweet, our thread is back!!yah thanks to Pats-Lions.

yup, props to you Pats-Lions, we appreciate it.

Vespasian
12-08-2006, 12:57 AM
we've got a winner folks. if we draft peterson we will be drafting him to get 20 carries for 20 yards


Yeah, right. :roll:

Have you ever seen AP play? I'm beginning to think not.

Yes it takes an Oline to open up some holes but good running backs can make the most of what they get.

Also AP this season has gotten 85% of his run yardage after initial contact this season, and 70% of his run yardage after initial contact in his rookie year.

This guy is a beast who runs hard, hits hard, shakes tackles and scores TD's.

AP is the guy.

Link ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSVBX-rirM)

portermvp84
12-08-2006, 09:11 AM
AP is most def the man, he can do it all. If we draft him I would look for him to get more carries than Lamont Jordan. What happened to Jordan this season he was a complete bust.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-08-2006, 09:18 AM
If we were looking to get a guy who could get positive yardage on every play its Lynch.there'll be situations where hes set up to lose 3 yards but gains 2.

portermvp84
12-08-2006, 10:31 AM
That or Micheal Bush would be a good fit.

Komp
12-08-2006, 11:15 AM
Does Bush make it to the 2nd round tho? I'm not too keen on Bush, he reminds me too much of Tyron Wheatley....

Xonraider
12-08-2006, 11:34 AM
Does Bush make it to the 2nd round tho? I'm not too keen on Bush, he reminds me too much of Tyron Wheatley....

He's a rich man's Wheatly, faster and stronger. In his times, Wheatley was a beast, so I'd go for Bush.. but I'd rather have RB and OL or RB and TE.

P-L: I think Miller is a good choice, the only problem I have with drafting a TE is we wouldn't use him. :?

jmanz
12-08-2006, 12:06 PM
Does Bush make it to the 2nd round tho? I'm not too keen on Bush, he reminds me too much of Tyron Wheatley....

He's a rich man's Wheatly, faster and stronger. In his times, Wheatley was a beast, so I'd go for Bush.. but I'd rather have RB and OL or RB and TE.

P-L: I think Miller is a good choice, the only problem I have with drafting a TE is we wouldn't use him. :?

Doesn't it seem like they are trying here lately to give the TE's more chances? Maybe its a sign of things to come, although the ones we have right now can't hold on to the rock.

NIN1984
12-08-2006, 01:15 PM
Raiders really need a TE this has been a problem for years AP in the first and Miller in the 2nd would be fine with me

jmanz
12-08-2006, 01:23 PM
Raiders really need a TE this has been a problem for years AP in the first and Miller in the 2nd would be fine with me

I could be ok with that as well, I just hope AP's body would hold up to the abuse. I think I'd still rather have CJ with the first pick however.

Kurve
12-08-2006, 02:35 PM
Raiders really need a TE this has been a problem for years AP in the first and Miller in the 2nd would be fine with me

do you really think there is a TE worth picking up on the 2nd round....... i mean if there were VD, KW2, Heap type of players but im not fully sold on Zach or Olsen as a high second round calibur i guess the Combine will let us know whats up.

Windy
12-08-2006, 04:04 PM
I just realized the perfect al davis pick


Brian Leonard in the 2nd

locseti
12-08-2006, 04:06 PM
I just realized the perfect al davis pick


Brian Leonard in the 2nd

:D :D

bernbabybern820
12-08-2006, 04:57 PM
we've got a winner folks. if we draft peterson we will be drafting him to get 20 carries for 20 yards


Yeah, right. :roll:

Have you ever seen AP play? I'm beginning to think not.

Yes it takes an Oline to open up some holes but good running backs can make the most of what they get.

Also AP this season has gotten 85% of his run yardage after initial contact this season, and 70% of his run yardage after initial contact in his rookie year.

This guy is a beast who runs hard, hits hard, shakes tackles and scores TD's.

AP is the guy.

Link ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSVBX-rirM)

i could show you reggie bush clips in college. or lamont jordan clips with the jets when he averaged over 5 yards per carry. i dont see how any rb could have gotten many yards with our line. lets make sure we fix up our o-line to not have our qbs and rbs killed first.

i have to add that the o-line run blocking is improving. barely but our pass blocking is still disgusting. i just dont like how one lineman tries to block two blitzers and another lineman has nobody to block.

bernbabybern820
12-08-2006, 05:09 PM
I just realized the perfect al davis pick


Brian Leonard in the 2nd

olsen is a pretty good davis pick too if he decides to come out. you can never have enough 200 pound TE projects in your team :roll:

jmanz
12-08-2006, 05:27 PM
we've got a winner folks. if we draft peterson we will be drafting him to get 20 carries for 20 yards


Yeah, right. :roll:

Have you ever seen AP play? I'm beginning to think not.

Yes it takes an Oline to open up some holes but good running backs can make the most of what they get.

Also AP this season has gotten 85% of his run yardage after initial contact this season, and 70% of his run yardage after initial contact in his rookie year.

This guy is a beast who runs hard, hits hard, shakes tackles and scores TD's.

AP is the guy.

Link ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSVBX-rirM)

i could show you reggie bush clips in college. or lamont jordan clips with the jets when he averaged over 5 yards per carry. i dont see how any rb could have gotten many yards with our line. lets make sure we fix up our o-line to not have our qbs and rbs killed first.

i have to add that the o-line run blocking is improving. barely but our pass blocking is still disgusting. i just dont like how one lineman tries to block two blitzers and another lineman has nobody to block.

agreed on both parts.

Windy
12-08-2006, 05:34 PM
I just realized the perfect al davis pick


Brian Leonard in the 2nd

olsen is a pretty good davis pick too if he decides to come out. you can never have enough 200 pound TE projects in your team :roll:

I'm a big fan of John Madsen. I think he'll turn out to be a solid player

locseti
12-08-2006, 05:40 PM
I just realized the perfect al davis pick


Brian Leonard in the 2nd

olsen is a pretty good davis pick too if he decides to come out. you can never have enough 200 pound TE projects in your team :roll:

I'm a big fan of John Madsen. I think he'll turn out to be a solid player
Really Windy? That one game before he scored he made a horrible adjustment to the ball and looked lost...But after that, it seemed like he got into the flow of the game and settled down...I'd definitely be playing him ahead of Randal Williams.

nobodyinparticular
12-08-2006, 06:00 PM
we've got a winner folks. if we draft peterson we will be drafting him to get 20 carries for 20 yards


Yeah, right. :roll:

Have you ever seen AP play? I'm beginning to think not.

Yes it takes an Oline to open up some holes but good running backs can make the most of what they get.

Also AP this season has gotten 85% of his run yardage after initial contact this season, and 70% of his run yardage after initial contact in his rookie year.

This guy is a beast who runs hard, hits hard, shakes tackles and scores TD's.

AP is the guy.

Link ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSVBX-rirM)

i could show you reggie bush clips in college. or lamont jordan clips with the jets when he averaged over 5 yards per carry. i dont see how any rb could have gotten many yards with our line. lets make sure we fix up our o-line to not have our qbs and rbs killed first.

i have to add that the o-line run blocking is improving. barely but our pass blocking is still disgusting. i just dont like how one lineman tries to block two blitzers and another lineman has nobody to block.

That's the beauty of drafting Adrian Peterson though. We would be putting him in a bad situation, but with the exception of his freshman year, he's been in a bad offensive situation anyway. We know he can excel even in very bad offensive situations.

Teams constantly stack the box against him, and he still makes plays. He's not a product of the system because the plays that he makes are purely based on his athleticism and just completely being head and shoulders above his competition. Not only that, but the last two years he has had to deal with a very young, inexperienced and patchwork offensive line as well. The boy is an absolute stud. Right now I'd go for any of the top 6 players who could be available at our pick and be at least relatively happy.

Brady Quinn
Adrian Peterson
Calvin Johnson
Joe Thomas
Alan Branch
Gaines Adams

Or we could win out and I'd be stoked to get Lynch. I'm very happy with the blue-chip prospects that are out there at our positions of need. We're looking at a good chance to improve our team just with our round 1 pick. After that there are plenty of players at other need positions who can help round this team out and make big contribution next year and beyond.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-08-2006, 06:36 PM
I like the idea of Leonard in the 2nd.the only problem with him is ive heard he isnt the greatest blocker.
I wouldnt like Miller in the 2nd.What should happen is we should get a blocking te and have Madsen mainly on passing downs.
I still dont think a rb is a 1st round need.at least not now.

Komp
12-08-2006, 07:07 PM
We're going to need a FB sometime soon I suppose but I don't know if Leonard right now is a good choice. I think he is a top notch athlete and character, just don't know if that is a big need for us at the moment.

If we take AP I am fine with it. He is the best RB prospect and he'll probably be a better pro RB than most the RB's we've seen the last couple years if he can stay healthy. CJ for me is still the top choice, he reminds me a lot of Larry Fitzgerald [big fast physical and from a good school but not a top10 school]. And any draft pick on either the DL/OL is another solid choice I think. I'm excited for this years draft b/c I really don't think we can go wrong with any pick we make in the first two rounds. Now that I've said that watch Davis go out and draft another CB lol....

Raiderz4Life
12-08-2006, 09:10 PM
idk if this has been mentioned but Warren Sapp was in the SI Poll for most annoying player in the nfl, TO won with Joey Porter at 2nd Warren Sapp at 3rd and Chad Johnson at last

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-08-2006, 09:18 PM
I mentioned this before but how do you guys think McNasty will perform this game?
I hope he performs well.Itd be great to have 2 positions locked up for next year.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-08-2006, 09:32 PM
Some of the less publicized acquisitions are thriving, as well. Terdell Sands was a seventh-round draft pick in 2001 who washed out both in Kansas City and Green Bay. Tommy Kelly was not drafted out of Baylor.

The Raiders hope Huntley is their latest success story.

"It takes time for young guys to grow," coach Art Shell said. "Everybody can't come in this league and instantly become a player. That's why you have to have patience with young people because sometimes it takes some time for them to become the player they can be ... they might linger around for a couple of years and not get an opportunity, then all of a sudden, boom, they blossom."
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/oakland_raiders/16193274.htm
just though this was an interesting article.I like Huntley.and apparently he had a good game against Houston and put pressure on Carr a # of times.
Lets see how he does.

bernbabybern820
12-08-2006, 11:30 PM
I mentioned this before but how do you guys think McNasty will perform this game?
I hope he performs well.Itd be great to have 2 positions locked up for next year.

mcnastystruggled when he started at rg but id rather go through growing pains with him because i know he will improve. he just needs to get bigger and stronger in the offseason.

LookItsAlDavis
12-09-2006, 09:47 AM
What would you think of taking CJ in the first, but taking a shot at Drew Stanton in the 2nd or 3rd?

MikeD
12-09-2006, 11:21 AM
I definatly think the raiders should draft AP, Jordan just isn't that good. You have talent at Wr, the ball just never gets to them. Also some help on the line is needed. All around I think the defense is prety solid, maybee a LB, but if the offense plays well the D will play even better

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-09-2006, 11:56 AM
I could be happy with either.If we get AP this year we get Desean Jackson next year.
Get Cj this year we get McFadden or Stewart next year.

jmanz
12-09-2006, 12:05 PM
I definatly think the raiders should draft AP, Jordan just isn't that good. You have talent at Wr, the ball just never gets to them. Also some help on the line is needed. All around I think the defense is prety solid, maybee a LB, but if the offense plays well the D will play even better

The talents at WR might very well be gone this offseason.

Crow
12-10-2006, 08:07 AM
What would you think of...taking a shot at Drew Stanton in the 2nd or 3rd?

I think that would be pretty awful. Stanton isn't exactly all that good, ya know. Certainly no better than what we currently have.

12-10-2006, 08:26 AM
why do you guys want Calvin Johnson and A.D. so much. You already have Randy Moss, Porter, and Lamont Jordan. I belive Randy Moss will try harder if you guys got a good QB like Byron Lefwitch. Then in the dradft take Joe Thomas to fill your biigest need.

Crow
12-10-2006, 09:47 AM
Wow...where to begin?

We want CJ because Moss is a piece of garbage, Porter and Shell can't get along which leads to Porter being kept on the sidelines, both will likely be sent packing this offseason, and we only have one good WR behind them.

We ant AP because LaMont Jordan is a soft runner who has durability issues. He talks a big game, but rarely backs it up.

WR and RB are definitely needs in Oakland, and both CJ and AP are much better prospects than Joe Thomas.

Leftwich? Behind this line? Surely you jest. A guy with no mobility and a slow release would fail miserably here.

12-10-2006, 11:49 AM
well if you get A.P he has no line to run behind and i doubt Aaron Brooks will do anything with Calvin Johnson as a lone threat.

LookItsAlDavis
12-10-2006, 11:56 AM
What would you think of...taking a shot at Drew Stanton in the 2nd or 3rd?

I think that would be pretty awful. Stanton isn't exactly all that good, ya know. Certainly no better than what we currently have.

I know, but I like the idea of maybe taking a chance that he could get his head on straight, and play to his potential.

Komp
12-10-2006, 11:57 AM
I would not be surprised to see Oakland go after some FA OL this offseason....specially if Moss and Porter's salaries are off the payroll....

bernbabybern820
12-10-2006, 11:58 AM
well if you get A.P he has no line to run behind and i doubt Aaron Brooks will do anything with Calvin Johnson as a lone threat.

we've already had this discussion on Peterson but i agree with the thought on Calvin Johnson. Whats the difference between moss getting doubled and tripled and Calvin getting doubled and trippled. We need to bring in another wr if we get rid of moss and porter.

locseti
12-10-2006, 12:09 PM
Our D is so sick...But Whitted is the worst receiver on the team, yet Shell insists on starting him...Now he's not even going to challenge that "catch" cause he's in a coma.

locseti
12-10-2006, 12:09 PM
GOD I HATE ART SHELL!!!!!!!!!!

Crow
12-10-2006, 12:18 PM
Hard to get happy about this team. Ryan got us killed with those crap zone coverages, after we were playing really well in man.

Ugh.

nobodyinparticular
12-10-2006, 12:28 PM
Alvis Whitted is absolutely ridiculous. Get him off my team.

locseti
12-10-2006, 01:03 PM
Alvis Whitted is absolutely ridiculous. Get him off my team.

Seriously I was watching some replays of some passes to Whitted and his routes are terrible. He's so predictable coming out of the break, the DB's are all over it...That's why he's always been a practice squad guy, even Norm was smart enough not to play Whitted - he's just not a fluid football player. At least Jerry Porter is a Football player...Sometimes the Opposing team pay absolutely no attention to him cause he sucks so bad and he still cant get it done. He had one crucial third down conversion, but so did Curry...And when Curry got his he didn't stand up and yell "woooooooooooOo!" Like Whitted did.

Man Asomougha is lookin like Curry out there, that might be my new Avatar...Little Deion

locseti
12-10-2006, 01:15 PM
Whitted is always a little more open than Moss because the defense could give two shits about him,

NIN1984
12-10-2006, 01:17 PM
Asomougha has been one of best CB this season for sure and he now has a chance at the pro bowl

locseti
12-10-2006, 02:17 PM
I just can't believe Curry doesen't play more.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-10-2006, 02:38 PM
First time i've gotten to see the Shoop offense, and it's not bad....but of course, the execution is horrible. Too many dropped passes, a lot of missed throws and crappy players.

8 tackles for Huff, best game for him so far.

locseti
12-10-2006, 02:47 PM
Curry's line - 8 catches, 100 yds and a TD

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-10-2006, 02:48 PM
Ive missed pretty much the whole game and all i can gather is Whitted sucks,Asoumugha great,and were getting killed.
How has McNasty done?
Curry looks bored and depressed out there even with that TD he was like great now we wont look as bad.

locseti
12-10-2006, 02:48 PM
First time i've gotten to see the Shoop offense, and it's not bad....but of course, the execution is horrible. Too many dropped passes, a lot of missed throws and crappy players.

8 tackles for Huff, best game for him so far.

Huff also blew some plays up in the backfield.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-10-2006, 05:11 PM
What would you think of...taking a shot at Drew Stanton in the 2nd or 3rd?

I think that would be pretty awful. Stanton isn't exactly all that good, ya know. Certainly no better than what we currently have.

I know, but I like the idea of maybe taking a chance that he could get his head on straight, and play to his potential.

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't trust this coaching staff to "bring out" the hidden potential in Stanton.

12-10-2006, 05:12 PM
I hope to god you guys draft Adrian Peterson.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-10-2006, 05:15 PM
I hope to god you guys draft Adrian Peterson.me too.

jmanz
12-10-2006, 06:05 PM
I just can't believe Curry doesen't play more.

no doubt, why whitted plays more than him I'll never know. The game wasn't on where I'm at but I was following it online. Another poorly executed offensive game.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-11-2006, 12:02 AM
Art Shell played Merv Fernandez and Willie Gault ahead of Tim Brown.So it shows you his knowledge on WRs.

Crow
12-11-2006, 11:39 AM
I hope to god you guys draft Adrian Peterson.me too.
Yep.

jmanz
12-11-2006, 01:16 PM
AP seems to be gaining favor among the raider nation.

Windy
12-11-2006, 04:26 PM
what do you guys think about taking chris leak with the #1 overall pick :wink: :|

jmanz
12-11-2006, 04:46 PM
what do you guys think about taking chris leak with the #1 overall pick :wink: :|

:lol:

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-11-2006, 07:09 PM
Curry may start cause Moss has an ankle injury. :D

nobodyinparticular
12-11-2006, 07:10 PM
Curry may start cause Moss has an ankle injury. :D

FINALLY!!!! Git er dun!!!!

jmanz
12-11-2006, 08:00 PM
Curry may start cause Moss has an ankle injury. :D

Very cool news.

Xonraider
12-11-2006, 08:23 PM
Curry may start cause Moss has an ankle injury. :D

What worries me is Art Shell's stupidity. It takes and injury for Curry to start? Pathetic. Now Whitted in the #1 WR. :?

NIN1984
12-11-2006, 08:25 PM
Curry should have been are #1 all season

portermvp84
12-12-2006, 08:56 AM
Curry should have been are #1 all season

Defintly, our WR's are a joke you know if Porter and Moss got their heads out of their asses we would have a nice crop, but no they've got to suck it up out their.

We should either draft Calvin Johnson or AP I will be very happy either way. About that Chris Leak thing, maybe in the 3rd or 4th round. But I also would not mind taking Troy Smith.

slightlyaraiderfan
12-12-2006, 12:45 PM
Curry should have been are #1 all season
I think because of his injury history they were really trying to hold him back...but he has clearly played as a # 1.

Paul
12-12-2006, 01:12 PM
Are you guys going to be targeting a QB this coming offseason? Or is it between Brooks and Walter agian for next year?

nobodyinparticular
12-12-2006, 01:23 PM
Are you guys going to be targeting a QB this coming offseason? Or is it between Brooks and Walter agian for next year?

That is a very good question. I would prefer to go with Walter, but I'm not sure. Last I heard, Walter was still going to be our QB of the future.

portermvp84
12-12-2006, 01:30 PM
Are you guys going to be targeting a QB this coming offseason? Or is it between Brooks and Walter agian for next year?

That is a very good question. I would prefer to go with Walter, but I'm not sure. Last I heard, Walter was still going to be our QB of the future.

Dude hell no, you saw what happens when Walter gets in their he gets sacked and throws constly pics. He's not moblie at all, we need to either stick with Brooks or find a younger mobile QB. Walter can not be our QB of the future, he's going to be like a worse version of Drew Bledsoe or Kerry Collins and by Kerry Collins I mean throwing dumb INTs.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-12-2006, 03:16 PM
ITs not the ints that bother me with Walter.its just that hes a statue and holds on to the ball to long.

Windy
12-12-2006, 03:34 PM
I know im one of the few but I wouldnt be upset if we got Quinn. I dont want another washed up veteran free agent. History may say we dont draft 1st round qbs but anything can happen. WR is a bigger need for us but if CJ doesnt declare I'd go Quinn. Now you may slap me.