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D-Unit
10-20-2009, 12:56 PM
I didn't get a chance to watch the game. I was in a wedding on Sunday that started at 4:30, and because I was part of the wedding party, I was kind of on call. I'm kind of glad I wasn't able to watch it, but I'll try to look at the replay on NFL Network. I'm reading that the offensive line (playing with 4 backups) was abused, and that Trotter clearly can't cover anyone. Those are some significant issues.

BTW, it is worth noting that Herremens and Peters should play Monday. That is heartening...
How come you are always at weddings??? Everything with you is weddings... you even sent me that funny youtube wedding, remember??? hahaha....

From now on, you are "The Wedding Singer". :p

I didn't see the game either. But why does it seem like Desean Jackson has a better connection with Kolb than with Donovan? Same with Celek?

Thumper
10-20-2009, 04:43 PM
Eagles traded Brandon Gibson and a 5th round pick for 29 year old linebacker Will Witherspoon of the Rams.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_eagles_rams_trade

He is a WLB/MLB in the Eagles scheme, he is more athletic than Gaither and is fluid in coverage and can actually cover a TE or a RB AND he is a good blitzer. Overall I think he is a solid fit within the scheme and he can start right away (which he will for reasons I'll show you in a minute) because he is coming from the Rams where Spagnuolo is the coach and he runs the same scheme the Eagles do.

Overall the deal is good and I like it in terms of success now, but I liked Gibson and Witherspoon is 29 years old. I actually think St. Louis is getting a future starter out of this deal because Gibson was really looking like a steal and he should form a nice 1-2 punch with Avery.

Also Omar Gaither is seeing a foot specialist and is not expected to play against the Redskins. (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3972&line=155955&spln=1)

camp_eagles
10-20-2009, 05:02 PM
I remember a few years back when he was about to be a FA and I wanted the Eagles to get him soooooo bad and cursing for a good hour or so when he signed with the rams. Its a good thing hes coming from Spags' D so he should be ready to start within a few weeks. Also I was just thinking what does this mean in the long term for the entire LB core

Todd Bertuzzi
10-20-2009, 05:20 PM
Gibson :(.....

cunningham06
10-20-2009, 08:18 PM
I remember a few years back when he was about to be a FA and I wanted the Eagles to get him soooooo bad and cursing for a good hour or so when he signed with the rams. Its a good thing hes coming from Spags' D so he should be ready to start within a few weeks. Also I was just thinking what does this mean in the long term for the entire LB core

I really like Witherspoon, he is a former dawg. He will be a good quick fix for us at MLB since Gaither's gonna miss some time. As for after this season, he could be a good option to trade for a position of greater need, or we will shift him to outside LB once Bradley returns from injury.

camp_eagles
10-20-2009, 10:06 PM
I really like Witherspoon, he is a former dawg. He will be a good quick fix for us at MLB since Gaither's gonna miss some time. As for after this season, he could be a good option to trade for a position of greater need, or we will shift him to outside LB once Bradley returns from injury.

Im not sold on Will being a rental player I think he is here for at least another year. Also with Gocongs contract coming up Will could stay inside with Stu moving to SAM or maybe Akeem isnt getting the job done in the eyes of the FO and he goes to the WILL spot. Im really jumping the gun here on all this considering he still is yet to practice for the team.

bigbluedefense
10-21-2009, 08:17 PM
all these trades for players, and FA pickups is very uncharacteristic of Andy Reid.

Look at all the FA/trades he brought in:

Stacy Andrews
Jason Peters
Will Witherspoon
Ellis Hobbs
Sean Jones
That white DE dude who was a bust 1st round pick
Michael Vick
Leonard Weaver

I think some of these pickups were very solid, its just uncharacteristic of Reid. He's rarely a big player in getting name FAs.

camp_eagles
10-22-2009, 12:14 AM
all these trades for players, and FA pickups is very uncharacteristic of Andy Reid.

Look at all the FA/trades he brought in:

Stacy Andrews
Jason Peters
Will Witherspoon
Ellis Hobbs
Sean Jones
That white DE dude who was a bust 1st round pick
Michael Vick
Leonard Weaver

I think some of these pickups were very solid, its just uncharacteristic of Reid. He's rarely a big player in getting name FAs.

The eagles under AR have never been afraid to pay big money for a FA ex Jon Runyan, Jevon Kearse, Darren Howard, Asante Samuel. There are probably more but my memory is crap

Todd Bertuzzi
10-22-2009, 02:45 PM
Gaither out for the season.

bigbluedefense
10-22-2009, 08:07 PM
The eagles under AR have never been afraid to pay big money for a FA ex Jon Runyan, Jevon Kearse, Darren Howard, Asante Samuel. There are probably more but my memory is crap

he's gotten guys, but never at this rate.

youre right though, i overlooked some big names he's brought in over the years.

Thumper
10-26-2009, 12:01 AM
Jeez, this board is slow! What are there, like 5 eagles posters who post consistently?

Anyways, Victor Abiamiri is out for the Redskins game and replacing him on the active roster is going to be Jason Babin.

brat316
10-26-2009, 12:33 PM
its been pretty dead.

Go_Eagles77
10-26-2009, 12:38 PM
EATW usually does a pretty good job at keeping up discussions here, but I haven't seen him post much lately.

As for Abiamiri, I hope he can turn his career around and do a better job at staying healthy in the future, but I can't see him as a long-term starter. He is a career backup/ situational player to me right now, and I would love to draft a stud DE to line up opposite Cole next year.

Sniper
10-27-2009, 06:05 AM
Will Witherspoon and DeSean Jackson should run this country.

bigbluedefense
10-27-2009, 01:29 PM
Game of the season for the Giants against you guys. I think we need this game more than you do.

Although its pretty big for both of us.

I think Philly wins it, right now, until we get healthy and our WRs can prove they can beat the press on a consistent basis, Philly is easily the better team.

Todd Bertuzzi
10-27-2009, 04:20 PM
Game of the season for the Giants against you guys. I think we need this game more than you do.

Although its pretty big for both of us.

I think Philly wins it, right now, until we get healthy and our WRs can prove they can beat the press on a consistent basis, Philly is easily the better team.

I'm very optimistic going into this game with the way we've been playing lately. Losing Shawn Andrews for the season was huge.

And yes Sniper Witherspoon and Jackson beasted it yesterday. Any news on Westrbrook yet?

Sniper
10-27-2009, 05:44 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/27/jackson-leads-nfc-award-winners

TEH DESEANZ is your NFC Offensive Player of the Week.

eaglesalltheway
10-27-2009, 06:03 PM
EATW usually does a pretty good job at keeping up discussions here, but I haven't seen him post much lately.

As for Abiamiri, I hope he can turn his career around and do a better job at staying healthy in the future, but I can't see him as a long-term starter. He is a career backup/ situational player to me right now, and I would love to draft a stud DE to line up opposite Cole next year.

Yea, been lots of things going on with me recently, but among other things, having a gf will reduce posts a bit... lol. Had lots of other things going on too. I've tried to get in here every once in a while so you guys don't think I'm dead, lol.

But to recap last nights game... DeSean is the smallest beast ever, Witherspooon is my boy, Bunk is beast-tastic, and I can't wiat till the Giants game!. Philly is gonna be crazy Sunday!!! I wish I would be there...

eaglesalltheway
10-27-2009, 06:10 PM
But the Giants game is gonna be the typical classic... Two great D-lines against struggling O-line units. (Eagles unit seems to be struggling more, IMO) Couldn't pick a winner right now, but will favor the Eagles, lol ;). obviously a good measuring stick for two teams. If this game is very competitive and a well executed game, I say both teams will come away as favorites int he NFC, no matter who wins...

The keys to the game will be the same as they've been the last few years. Getting/Preventing QB pressure, and, for the Eagles, how to control the Giants run game. The Giants will have to find a way to neutralize the Eagles receiving weapons... (That is one slight difference, lol)

Thumper
10-27-2009, 06:14 PM
The Eagles are 4-2 which seems really good if you don't watch the Eagles games, but look at who they've beaten they've destroyed the Panthers, Chiefs, Buccaneers and Redskins, some of the worst teams in the NFL. And they were steam rolled by the Saints and Raiders who should've won by much more and would have had anyone but Jamarcus Russell been starting.

But, where do the problems lie? The offense, yes the offense that was supposed to be the best in the NFL is struggling. It certainly isn't on the defense who are allowing a league leading 4.4 yards per play, they're playing out of their minds.

The combination of Andy Reid's play calling, McNabb's inconsistency, injuries on the offensive line and a fragile Brian Westbrook have left this offense in a horrible spot. Andy Reid is calling an extremely one dimensional offense right now and by one dimensional, I mean passing. The other teams are dominating the Time of possession because Andy is calling pass after pass, and just in case he hasn't noticed I would love to point out that McNabb is in a huge slump right now and the only reason he isn't getting picked off his because he throws so off target the defensive back can't even get it. And McCoy wears down for some reason, I am getting the impression that he is not a workhorse back at all. Right now the big play is this offense, just look at the plays where the Eagles have scored, 6 of 10 passing touchdowns have come from plays of 35 yards or more, the biggest run of the season was DeSean Jackson's and he now has 1 of 3 rushing touchdowns from non-QBs and it was on a 65 yard reverse. And on special teams DeSean Jackson has scored on a 85 yard punt return. This offense cannot drive to save their lives and they now live and die by the big play. DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin have scored a combined 6 of 15 offensive touchdowns each of them from over 40 yards. 2 offensive touchdowns have come off of quarterback scrambles. This offense is so unproductive right now, they're 17th in the NFL in YPG and they're 22nd in the NFL in first downs a game and they're only converting 34% of third down attempts. This offense is as futile as I've ever seen in Andy's tenure.

So basically, DeSean Jackson is the offense right now single handedly putting up 5 touchdowns (3 receiving, 1 rushing and 1 punt return). DeSean might be the most explosive player in the NFL, he just flies. Most guys aren't supposed to be able to do what they do in college in the NFL, DeSean is doing the exact same things. He is lightning he can make someone miss with one twitch . He flew past the entire Redskins defense twice and he makes it look effortless and quite frankly he might be impossible to cover one on one right now because no one has been able to stop him with one player so far the teams that have tried to cover him with one player are the Redskins, Saints and Chiefs and he burned them. The teams that have doubled him have been the Panthers and Buccaneers and they shut him down but he opened the offense up for everyone else, did anyone else notice the running game's dominance in the Panthers game when there was a corner and a safety on DeSean at all times? I did. Did anyone notice how good Maclin looked when he got one on one looks when the Buccaneers shifted all their coverages DeSean's way? I did. This guy is the Eagles offense.

And while I'm talking up young receivers, Maclin might challenge DeSean Jackson for best receiver fairly soon (not best playmaker). He has been running nice routes, making tough grabs, fighting for the ball and he is going over the middle as well. I really like what I'm seeing from Maclin. Also he should have 6 touchdowns instead of 2 and he would be undoubtedly the best young WR in the league if McNabb or Kolb would stop missing him. Here I will give you specifics, Against Kansas City Maclin was running a slant over the middle and there was no safety over the top and Maclin was wide open for a sure touchdown and Kolb threw it behind him, in the redzone Maclin had a step on his man and Kolb overthrew him in the endzone, against the Raiders McNabb had Maclin wide open deep and McNabb overthrew him and against the Redskins Maclin was WIDE open but McNabb didn't look to his side of the field.

The Eagles NEED to attack the Giants deep, it is a necessity the Giants have Webster who is no where near as fast as DeSean and across from him Maclin will be matched up with wither Aaron Ross or Terell Thomas both of whom are good but Thomas isn't fast enough to stick with him and Ross gets burnt to a crisp often. Also their safeties are awful in coverage and the Eagles should attack them deep because that is the clear weakness in the Giants defense now that Phillips is out. The Eagles need to attack attack attack against the Giants pass defense that cannot cover Maclin and Jackson deep. That is what I think is going to be the key to the offense because doing that will open up draw plays for the run, open up underneath routes to Avant and Celek and overall it would make the Giants defense back off and create more space for the Eagles offense to work with. The defense just needs to get to Eli, easier said than done but Sean McDermott brings some of the craziest blitzes in the game so I think it can be done.

Thumper
10-27-2009, 07:13 PM
Also the Eagles defense is one of the best in the league right now.

They're allowing only 4.4 yards per play (#1), have a 30% conversion rate (#4) on 3rd downs, lead the NFL in sacks a game, lead the NFC in interceptions, have only allowed their opponents to score over 17 points once, are only allowing 3.5 yards a carry and are only allowing 6.3 yards a catch, both of which are top 7 in the NFL (rushing 6th and passing 7th).

bigbluedefense
10-27-2009, 07:36 PM
I think the Eagles have the advantage in this game.

If you think about it, everything about both our teams is a wash, except you have better playmakers on offense.

qb, oline, defense, run game, its all a wash.

The only difference is you guys have a beast in DeSean, and we have serviceable but not spectacular WRs.

Thats why Philly gets the edge.


The most interesting battle to me is DeSean vs Webster. Webster has been absolutely amazing. He even shut out Larry Fitzgerald. I know Fitz had 77 yards, but none of them minus a 5 yard quick slant were on Corey. Corey shut him down.

So it should be interesting to see him matchup vs Jackson. I personally think Corey can take him, but Jackson is so explosive and can get you in a number of ways, so who knows. And its not like Web will be on him the entire game, so the few opportunities Jackson gets against a zone he should be money in the bank.

Thumper
10-27-2009, 07:48 PM
I don't think the Eagles will win, I think they could do it but I don't think they will. The offense is just awful right now aside from DeSean and Maclin, the offensive line will be destroyed Justin Tuck might set the new sack record in a game while going against Winston Justice who cannot handle power moves to save his life. Basically I don't think the offense will do anything to put points on the board. I think the game is going to be a defensive battle that the Giants will win just because their offense can sustain drives.

bigbluedefense
10-27-2009, 07:52 PM
we can't run the ball at all. and our WRs can't get consistent separation against a good trio of CBs like Arizona (esp against a trio that Philly has), so we're in the same boat.

And you have Westy and McCoy to catch out of the backfield. And Celek.

If we don't have Boley or Canty for this game, I can see you guys winning rather handily.

Sniper
10-27-2009, 07:56 PM
Westbrook might not play. McCoy's pass pro vs. NYG's DL = me pooping my pants.

superman8456
10-27-2009, 07:58 PM
Our oline isnt THAT bad. There are certain players that will get the job done and there will be help for those who cant. The TE is going to stay in often and just chip. Dont worry about McCoy's pass blocking because I think we'll see more of Weaver pass blocking.

eaglesalltheway
10-27-2009, 10:31 PM
we can't run the ball at all. and our WRs can't get consistent separation against a good trio of CBs like Arizona (esp against a trio that Philly has), so we're in the same boat.

And you have Westy and McCoy to catch out of the backfield. And Celek.

If we don't have Boley or Canty for this game, I can see you guys winning rather handily.

Just thought I'd mention this...

When has there ever been a battle of two fans of NFC East opponents saying, "My team will lose because..." lol

Thumper
10-27-2009, 10:36 PM
^^
Lol, never.

But I really do not see the Eagles winning this.

cunningham06
10-28-2009, 01:39 AM
This team has so much talent it is truly amazing when they put it all together. Shame is, that's not very often... I'm hoping for the best against the Giants, but I'm not super optimistic.

Speaking of the Giants, here's an entertaining video I saw the other day: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/tom_coughlin_retires_from_family

Thumper
10-29-2009, 12:26 AM
Eagles put gaither on ir and sign former Wisconsin rb pj hill off of new Orleans practice squad.

Go_Eagles77
10-29-2009, 09:32 AM
Interesting signing, I was hoping the eagles would draft him in the later rounds of the draft. Also being on the saints PS isn't necessarily a bad thing because they have good depth at RB. Probably won't see any time this year unless Westbrook has to sit out.

Sniper
10-29-2009, 09:33 AM
Eagles put gaither on ir and sign former Wisconsin rb pj hill off of new Orleans practice squad.

He's garbage.

Giantsfan1080
10-29-2009, 12:14 PM
I have no idea who's going to win this game Sunday. It's going to be a very close matchup as we usually are. It's going to be interesting to see if we can get our offense going again after it's sputtered out a little. On defense I'm very worried about you guys just beating our safties all game. We are starting to try and hide C.C. Brown but if McNabb can find a Jackson or Maclin near him then watch out. Thomas and Webster are going to need to step up this game to help protect us from Brown.

Go_Eagles77
10-29-2009, 12:33 PM
I think if Reid can stay committed to the running game the eagles have a chance, and that's a big "if".

Giantsfan1080
10-29-2009, 12:47 PM
I think if Reid can stay committed to the running game the eagles have a chance, and that's a big "if".

Yeah that's a huge if especially since Westbrook probably isn't going to play. I'm not sure if he trusts McCoy enough yet to give him a full workload.

Thumper
10-29-2009, 05:29 PM
Will Witherspoon is going to be VERY good in this defense, he is a quick, attacking linebacker who has a nose for the ball. The problem was that he wasn't big enough to take on blockers and with Mike Patterson, Brodrick Bunkley and Antonio Dixon in front of him, he doesn't have to take on blockers anymore. The guys in front of him allow him to flow to the ball and use his quickness. I can't wait to see this guy for the rest of the year.

Also Bunkley, Patterson and Dixon have been dominant (note no Trevor Laws) Bunkley is really on a roll, he dominated the Redskins line and he has really been great this season and he is playing a huge role in the run defense again this season and to add on to that, he is looking better rushing the passer as well. Mike Patterson is being Mike Patterson again, he is back to his 2007 form where he should've been a pro-bowler.

But the guy I really want to point out here is Antonio Dixon, you all remember him right? The big UDFA out of Miami who the Eagles snagged from the Redskins on cut day? Remember him? He was a guy who was considered an underachiever and he was, but the light is on now. Dixon has taken over Trevor Law's spot as the third defensive tackle and Dixon has shown himself to be a powerful option against the pass and run and multiple times the Eagles have lined him up directly over the center. Dixon has been downright dominant at times, specifically against the Buccaneers where he played extensively to take advantage of a weaker C in Sean Mahan. And he has been a great option against all the other teams as well. Major steal right now who is really a great addition to the defensive line rotation as a 6'3" 322 pound NT.

They're all going to have to play a good game against Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw and the interior of the Giants defensive line.

brat316
10-29-2009, 05:47 PM
Where is Laws?

camp_eagles
10-29-2009, 05:51 PM
Eagles put gaither on ir and sign former Wisconsin rb pj hill off of new Orleans practice squad.

excluding Westbrook our RBs have a combined 1 year of nfl experience and 1 start.

Thumper
10-29-2009, 05:57 PM
Where is Laws?

being blown off the line of scrimmage

Thumper
10-30-2009, 01:49 PM
Sheldon Brown's job just got a little bit easier on Sunday, Mario Manningham hurt his shoulder in practice and is questionable for Sunday (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/30/mario-manningham-questionable-with-shoulder-injury/).

Also Brian Westbrook will probably miss the game, reports are that he still has headaches, Macho Harris has an injury and was a partial participant in practice on Thursday and was held out on Friday and Chris Clemons is sick.

Giantsfan1080
10-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Sheldon Brown's job just got a little bit easier on Sunday, Mario Manningham hurt his shoulder in practice and is questionable for Sunday (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/30/mario-manningham-questionable-with-shoulder-injury/).

Also Brian Westbrook will probably miss the game, reports are that he still has headaches, Macho Harris has an injury and was a partial participant in practice on Thursday and was held out on Friday and Chris Clemons is sick.

Manningham is still going to play it looks like anyway. Also, this is nothing against Manningham but Nicks is already a better WR than him at this point. You don't want Nicks on the field more.

bigbluedefense
10-30-2009, 02:05 PM
Id imagine Brown would be on Smith more than Manningham/Nicks.

If we go Nicks and Smith, I think Brown would then go on Nicks, bc I don't think Samuels is strong enough to handle Nicks.

Im one of the few Manningham supporters out there, but until he shows me consistent hands, I rather have him as our #3 WR.

Regardless, with so many 3 WR sets being used these days, the difference between your #2 WR and #3 WR is negligible. The more important question is who lines up in the slot, which becomes Smith in 3 WR sets anyway.

So its all a moot point.

Go_Eagles77
10-30-2009, 09:42 PM
Just posted this in the "best DB in the NFC East" thread but I felt I wanted to post it here too.

Interesting stat - QBs get a QB rating of 27.8 when they throw in Corey Webster's direction, which is good enough for 2nd best in the league. The only CB ranked ahead of him in this aspect? Sheldon Brown. QBs throwing in his direction get a QB rating of 2.3, by far the best in the league. Can you say under-rated?

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Thumper
11-01-2009, 03:21 PM
Woooo!!!!!!! YEAH!

A dominating win against the Giants, 40-17! YEAH! WOO!

Everyone showed up to play today, that is what I expected to see all season a dominating defense, with a top 5 QB coupled with huge talent at the skill positions. McNabb finally showed up and at just the right time. And how about Leonard Weaver and Sean Jones? They played lights out today. Maclin and Jackson are already the best young receiving duo in the NFL IMO, they're so good.

Soo excited for the Cowboys game, we stomped them last season 44-6.

Giantsfan1080
11-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Awesome game from you guys. Congratulations.

brat316
11-01-2009, 05:06 PM
Eagles really took advantage of that safety situation of the giants. Also that Maclin TD against Webster was amazing.

I didn't get to see all of the game pretty much just 2 min warning part. But how did Sean Jones do, and Harris was out for the game.

Thumper
11-01-2009, 05:23 PM
Sean Jones did fantastic, was definitely better than Macho and I want him to get the call again, he blitzed and he hit hard and he did a good job in coverage, he was the closest thing to Dawkins yet. I was impressed with the way he brought the lumber all game and he did not back down from Brandon Jacobs at all.

Thumper
11-01-2009, 05:37 PM
BUT I still like Macho Harris. They are completely different safeties. Macho is better in coverage and Sean is better in run support. They bring different play styles to the table, but they're both physical. Macho is physical with receivers deep and Sean Jones is physical with everyone. Sean can stuff the run and is beaten in coverage and Macho isn't very stout against the run while he doesn't often get beat in coverage. Different players and I like them both, but I think that Jones physical style is more needed against the likes of Marion Barber, Tarshard Choice and Felix Jones.

eaglesalltheway
11-02-2009, 12:02 AM
Great game today, was a little bit surprised actually. Even tho the Giants are nicked up right now, I was expecting more from them. I think we'll find out they are just currently in a slump that they'll work out of soon.

Weaver's TD run made me unload in my pants... Was screaming WEEEEEEEEAVVVVVEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR throughout the duration of that run. This may sound drastic, but I am approaching scotty's love for Ray Rice with my man crush on Weaver...

Sean Jones did very well, not surprisingly, he is a starting calibur Safety, and showed it.

All around great performance today, and now with Herremans back, the OL looks much better, or at least more consistent. I am happy with the Eagles, pretty much the saving grace of my sports weekend.

camp_eagles
11-02-2009, 08:45 AM
Im pretty sure Weaver touched the ball more in that game than all the other FBs ever under Andy

Go_Eagles77
11-02-2009, 09:09 AM
I love how yesterday was basically a showcase of our future. Barring Free Agency, DeSean, Maclin, Celek, Shady, and (hopefully) Weaver will be making big plays for us for many years to come. Obviously the QB situation is questionable for the future.

bigbluedefense
11-02-2009, 10:06 AM
Good game guys. You handed us our ass.

I had a feeling it would play out that way.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-02-2009, 02:18 PM
I love how yesterday was basically a showcase of our future. Barring Free Agency, DeSean, Maclin, Celek, Shady, and (hopefully) Weaver will be making big plays for us for many years to come. Obviously the QB situation is questionable for the future.

McNabb isn't as old as some people think. He's younger than Peyton and the same age as Brady.

Go_Eagles77
11-02-2009, 02:30 PM
McNabb isn't as old as some people think. He's younger than Peyton and the same age as Brady.
I know that, but his contract is up after next year and so is Kolb's, it's unknown what the eagles will do at that point.

Thumper
11-02-2009, 02:49 PM
DeSean for MVP? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/11/01/snap.judgments/1.html)

I'm not saying DeSean Jackson has my vote locked up, but as midseason approaches, don't you at least have to include the second-year Eagles receiver on the short list of MVP candidates? Every one of Jackson's touchdowns have been the stuff of highlight-reel, and with Sunday's 54-yard scoring catch against the Giants factored in, the former Cal standout now has four touchdowns as a receiver, one as a rusher and one as a punter returner.

Thumper
11-02-2009, 05:31 PM
Right now the big play is this offense, just look at the plays where the Eagles have scored, 6 of 10 passing touchdowns have come from plays of 35 yards or more, the biggest run of the season was DeSean Jackson's and he now has 1 of 3 rushing touchdowns from non-QBs and it was on a 65 yard reverse. And on special teams DeSean Jackson has scored on a 85 yard punt return. This offense cannot drive to save their lives and they now live and die by the big play. DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin have scored a combined 6 of 15 offensive touchdowns each of them from over 40 yards. 2 offensive touchdowns have come off of quarterback scrambles. This offense is so unproductive right now, they're 17th in the NFL in YPG and they're 22nd in the NFL in first downs a game and they're only converting 34% of third down attempts. This offense is as futile as I've ever seen in Andy's tenure.

Just a little addition to my post, The Eagles have had 20 touchdown drives this season. Just three have been longer than six plays.

Go_Eagles77
11-02-2009, 06:09 PM
Just a little addition to my post, The Eagles have had 20 touchdown drives this season. Just three have been longer than six plays.
I'm honestly not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

Sniper
11-02-2009, 06:11 PM
DeSean for MVP? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/11/01/snap.judgments/1.html)

Get him more touches, plz!

Thumper
11-02-2009, 07:37 PM
Here is something I learned while making a case for Asante Samuel

And in the past 3 1/2 regulard seasons, Asante Samuel has 25 interceptions, 60 passes defended, 2 touchdowns and if you add in the post season, that total jumps to 30 interceptions, 74 passes defended and 5 touchdowns. In 3.5 seasons, those would be great career numbers for most players.

That is amazing to me. And then over his career including the post season he has 38 interceptions, 103 passes defended and 7 touchdowns, he is the active leader in interceptions in the postseason, he is the all-time leader in interception returns for touchdowns in the post-season and he is the all time leader for interception return yardage in the post season. I would like to mention that he is also only 28 and his contract with the Eagles runs until 2014 and the Eagles figure to be in the playoff picture for that time span.

He is on pace to smash the all time interception total in the playoffs, Asante already has 7 and the all time leader(s) has 9.

And, if he continues at his rampant pace this season Asante will have 11 interceptions this season and 25 passes defended, which would bring his total for 4 seasons up to 36 interceptions and 93 passes defended. Incredible.

Thumper
11-02-2009, 07:50 PM
And while I'm at it...

Jeremy Maclin.

Since Scott doesn't have his scouting reports up I can't see them and I assume since the draft is over that this is okay to post.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/jeremy-maclin?id=80429#profiles-tabs:players-analysis

Blocks downfield.

Man, that quality has been on display lately. Against the Redskins he made the block downfield to spring DeSean Jackson for the TD, he made the block to spring Leonard Weaver for the long touchdown and on LeSean McCoy's long TD run he was down field blocking Corey Webster and that allowed McCoy to go for the TD.

BPhilb
11-02-2009, 10:13 PM
Hey guys, I was just checking in to see if anyone has heard if Martin Rucker has shown anything on the PS for you guys. I'm a huge Mizzou fan but haven't been able to find any news about him. Obviously Maclin is performing well, that was just an overall steal for your team and almost unfair having him paired with Jackson. Any insight would be much appreciated.

camp_eagles
11-03-2009, 08:31 AM
I havent heard a thing about Rucker since he signed

Thumper
11-03-2009, 07:52 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20091103_Les_Bowen__The_bottom_line__Maclin_catchi ng_on_quickly.html

Ahaha.

I already talked about how Maclin blocks downfield.

But this is funny:
Last week, you might recall, the New York Giants defense swore vengeance over Donovan McNabb's pick-up-the-Giants'-sideline-phone foolery during last January's Eagles playoff victory at the Meadowlands. They'd posted the photo in their locker room! There would be blood!

We all saw how that one went.

So now, the Dallas Cowboys are coming to town, and boy, are they angry!

The Eagles' transgression was beating the 'Boys, 44-6, in last season's finale, the capper on an amazing day that brought the Birds an unlikely playoff berth. No phones or other props were involved, but Dallas is ticked, nonetheless.

Man, that was a great day. Eagles get into the playoffs, crush the Cowboys, Owens takes a ton of heat and Romo collapses in the locker room. Good times...

And I kind of eluded to this in the Cowboys thread, but they're saying that if the double DeSean they can stop the offense. There are a few problems with that, mainly that it hasn't worked yet for any team and second is that the last time a team completely sold out to stop DeSean, Jeremy Maclin torched the Buccaneers for 142 yards and 2 touchdowns. Just a new scenario for Eagles fans, never in Andy Reid's tenure has a team had to pick its poison, it has always been just stop TO, stop Stallworth, stop Curtis and stop Jackson but now it is Do we stop DeSean and let Maclin explode? Pick your poison. Fun to see out of the Eagles.

superman8456
11-03-2009, 07:56 PM
I'm anxious to see how they use Weaver again. This was one of my favorite FO moves this offseason and I was wondering when they were finally going to put him to work. LeSean McCoy is good in the screen game and can run outside, but he cant really run that well in between the tackles. I like the toughness Weaver brings to our run game in between the tackles.

cunningham06
11-03-2009, 08:22 PM
My main concern for the team right now is our ability to put a drive together and grind the clock. It's great to be able to get up early on a team, but don't give them the chance to come back, hold onto the ball and grind the clock.

I hate seeing our defense fall in the rankings because we give the other team plenty of time to pile on garbage yards in an attempted come back. I think we've got a top 5 defense if we can keep them rested and off the field more.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-04-2009, 04:32 PM
Westbrook will play on Sunday.

Sniper
11-04-2009, 04:34 PM
Westbrook will play on Sunday.

Sweet. I'm sure Andy will celebrate the occasion by throwing 48 times.

Giantsfan1080
11-05-2009, 12:16 AM
Sweet. I'm sure Andy will celebrate the occasion by throwing 48 times.

Hardly ever do I really LOL.

Thumper
11-05-2009, 09:51 PM
Come one this is the Cowboys week! Liven up Eagles forum!

Anyways, Gocong is hurt. I don't know the specifics of the injury but I know it is a leg injury and he isn't practicing. So who has taken the first string reps? Rookie 7th round draft pick, Moises Fokou out of Maryland. We all know he played very well in the pre-season and he is a very physical and energetic presence on defense for a smaller linebacker. I don't know if I trust him in coverage or in run support but I think there is enough talent around him to cover for his inexperience. He is actually fairly athletic and if he shows he can cover Witten I would love to see more of him. So far, he has been a great special teams player and a pre-season star, we'll see what he can do on Sunday against the big boys of Dallas.

ALSO In somewhat encouraging news, on the Philadelphia Eagles Report on the Eagles website there is an interview with rookie TE Cornelius Ingram, training camp stud who impressed Eagles coaches in his time. He says rehab is going well and that he and Stewart Bradley really push one another in rehab and he said that Bradley seems like he is ready to go right now with his tenacity and aggressiveness. Perhaps Stewart Bradley could be back in an extended playoff run? That would be nearly 5 months of training. I doubt it, but Bradley is a tough and competitive guy so you at least should entertain the idea.

camp_eagles
11-06-2009, 09:45 AM
Come one this is the Cowboys week! Liven up Eagles forum!

ALSO In somewhat encouraging news, on the Philadelphia Eagles Report on the Eagles website there is an interview with rookie TE Cornelius Ingram, training camp stud who impressed Eagles coaches in his time. He says rehab is going well and that he and Stewart Bradley really push one another in rehab and he said that Bradley seems like he is ready to go right now with his tenacity and aggressiveness. Perhaps Stewart Bradley could be back in an extended playoff run? That would be nearly 5 months of training. I doubt it, but Bradley is a tough and competitive guy so you at least should entertain the idea.

Bradley is on the IR.

And the only way I see Philly losing this game is if they beat themselves ex: Passing too much, having too many 7 step drops, Donovan comes out poorly etc. Also if Fokou starts im really dreading the potential matchup of him vs Witten.

eaglesalltheway
11-06-2009, 10:14 AM
Bradley is on the IR.

And the only way I see Philly losing this game is if they beat themselves ex: Passing too much, having too many 7 step drops, Donovan comes out poorly etc. Also if Fokou starts im really dreading the potential matchup of him vs Witten.

Look at it this way, no matter who we put in at that position, the matchup will heavily favor Witten, he is that good. I actually think Fokou will do similarly in coverage, if not slightly better, than Gocong. I am more worried about the run support in Gocong's absence, especially considering the running weapons of Barber, Jones, Choice and their large OL. That is what I'd be more worried about.

brat316
11-06-2009, 11:29 AM
Not a big deal, in the last 4 games the Eagles usually let the TE run wild.

Thumper
11-06-2009, 04:32 PM
Bradley is on the IR.

Woah. Completely forgot about that, oh well Stewart Bradley will be back next season, still overrated but he is stout against the run and he is certainly better than Trotter who is currently the run stuffing/leadership guy.

And, Gocong and Abiamiri are doubtful on Sunday... There goes the left side of the defense..

Todd Bertuzzi
11-06-2009, 05:57 PM
Woah. Completely forgot about that, oh well Stewart Bradley will be back next season, still underrated but he is stout against the run and he is certainly better than Trotter who is currently the run stuffing/leadership guy.

And, Gocong and Abiamiri are doubtful on Sunday... There goes the left side of the defense..

Fixed that for you.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-06-2009, 06:07 PM
Results from the forum mock:

21.Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missou
Value was way too good to pass up here. Also fills a need as Witherspoon isn't young and Gocong is set to become a free agent.

53. Jason Fox, OT, Miami
Eagles don't really have any big needs, but with Shawn Andrews health a big question mark I went with the top OT on the board in Fox. He's had a great year so far in Miami and is a good fit in Philly.

74. Noel Devine, RB, WVU
With the Eagles declining the option on Westbrook's contract it appears his days as an Eagle are limited. Westbrook has been plagued by injuries and at 31 he isn't getting any younger. The Eagles bring in Devine who will play a role similar to Darren Sproles of the Chargers. Devine will take some carries off of Shady's hands and will also return kicks/punts. Just another explosive weapon on the Eagles offense.

85. Lindsey Witten, DE, UConn
Juqua Parker is 32 and Victor Abiamiri can't seem to stay healthy so I opted for the best DE on the board. Witten has proved he can get to the quarterback and will look great lined up opposite Trent Cole.

Stacy Andrews, RG
5th round pick
for
Charles Tillman, CB
Contracts are equal, but with Ellis Hobbs due to become a free agent I brought in Tillman as a replacement. Andrews was 2nd on the depth chart behind MJG.

thoughts?

brat316
11-06-2009, 07:34 PM
Who are going to end up becoming FA this year?

Thumper
11-06-2009, 07:50 PM
Who are going to end up becoming FA this year?

Max Jean-Giles
Winston Justice
Alex Smith
Jason Avant
Leonard Weaver
Eldra Buckley
PJ Hill
Jason Babin
Chris Gocong
Omar Gaither
Akeem Jordan
Ellis Hobbs
Sean Jones

And Vick has a team opt out clause and Stacy Andrews has a contract designed so that the Eagles can cut him without paying him.

brat316
11-06-2009, 08:21 PM
wow....3 Lbs, 2 key O line guys, FB.

Lots of key positions, draft is going to be amazing

Thumper
11-06-2009, 09:21 PM
I'm loving all of this Eagles hype, DeSean Jackson is getting SO much hype it is unbelievable right now, he might be the most talked about receiver in the NFL right now, Matt Mosley said he thinks DeSean is the most explosive player in the NFL and on NFL Network they were talking about how every defender is scared of DeSean's speed. They hype is through the roof.

Also I haven't seen one expert take Dallas in this game yet, they all think the Eagles offense is too explosive and the Eagles defense can just sit on a lead and take the opposing offense out of it.

Just look at the stats from the last 5 games ALONE, the defense is allowin 90 run yards a game, they have 13 takeaways and 16 sacks. The defense is doing work right now.

The way I see this game going is in the Eagles favor, the Cowboys IMO are strictly a power team, they like to dink and dunk you for the most part with the running game and Jason Witten, with the development of Miles Austin that has changed a little but not much. The Eagles defense is faster and more athletic than the Cowboys offense, the Eagles have a clear quickness advantage in the trenches IMO, if you watch the games from last year, the Eagles defensive line just gives the Cowboys offensive line fits, they're big and aging and guys like Flozell can't handle the quickness of the Eagles. I have full faith that Asante and Sheldon can take on Miles Austin and I think those all too common miscommunications between Roy Williams and Tony Romo will result in turnovers for Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown.

The Cowboys run game is one of the best in the NFL but the Eagles have shut down the Giants and the Panthers this season in the run game, two teams that have an offense somewhat similar to the Cowboys with strong offensive lines and power running games. The Eagles as I said earlier have only allowed 90 yards rushing per game in the past 5 games and quite frankly I really do believe the Eagles can contain Barber and Choice. The one guy that puts fear inside me is Felix Jones but I'm hoping that with the strong backline of Sean Jones and Quintin Mikell, the defense will at least keep him from going crazy on them with his huge long runs, Felix isn't incredibly fast IMO what makes him as good as he is, is his combination of size and speed, he is about 215 pounds and he can break tackles inside the box and once he gets a step on the defenders, watch out because his 4.4 speed is enough to get it done.

On offense I really think the Eagles have a clear advantage, I don't think there is any way the Dallas Cowboys defense can stop DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek, Jason Avant, Brian Westbrook, Shady McCoy and Leonard Weaver. The Eagles have clear match-up advantages on this side IMO, if they double DeSean, Maclin goes off, like what happened in the Buccaneers game. I really like the Brent Celek and Gerald Sensabaugh match-up and I think that Celek is going to have a big game and he can really destroy a team over the middle which would open things up for the receivers. Jason Avant and Brent Celek can both find a spot and sit in it against the Cowboys blitz. And, Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy are major match-up problems, they split out wide, their linebackers can't cover them and if they take a safety to cover them that leaves DeSean and Maclin in one on one coverage or it leaves Celek on a linebacker.

I think the Eagles have this one.

brat316
11-06-2009, 10:00 PM
I think their secondary is going to be better this time around then last time. For some reason I notice they are playing more differently, with more confidence and swag, cb and safeties blowing Wrs up.

DeSean will score a TD, maclin will have a nice receiving game. Celek 70 yards and a TD.

Now in order to win the game, Eagles offense will have to learn to sustain drives and sit on the ball, something u have mentioned before.

Thumper
11-06-2009, 10:02 PM
The Eagles defense is also leading the NFL in yards per drive, they're allowing only 23.08 yards a drive which is a full yard better than the second place Giants. The Eagles are also first in turnovers per drive.

Right now the Eagles are second in the NFL and are only allowing 4.5 yards per play, they're also 5th in the NFL allowing only 33% of third down conversions, they're second in the NFL in sacks, are third in interceptions, are 7th in the NFL in points a game and that number drops to 3rd when you take out the Saints game and they have the NFL's leading turnover ratio.

The Eagles defense is in lockdown mode.

Thumper
11-06-2009, 10:08 PM
I think their secondary is going to be better this time around then last time. For some reason I notice they are playing more differently, with more confidence and swag, cb and safeties blowing Wrs up.

DeSean will score a TD, maclin will have a nice receiving game. Celek 70 yards and a TD.

Now in order to win the game, Eagles offense will have to learn to sustain drives and sit on the ball, something u have mentioned before.

You know what's weird? The Eagles have actually called a very balanced offense in the past two weeks and they were actually playing small ball last week instead of going big every play like they did against the Raiders. The reason the Eagles got all those big plays is because of the the poor play of the Giants, not the Eagles actually going for them.

There were two huge rushing touchdowns by Weaver and Shady and they score on a TD pass to Celek in a short field thanks to Asante Samuel, the only really big pass plays were Jeremy Maclin's and DeSean Jackson's TD passes when the Eagles were trying to get on the board quickly. The Eagles were actually prepared to run a balanced offense and sustain drives in that game, but the Giants defense wouldn't allow it and gave up big rushing plays.

The Eagles called 23 pass plays last week and they also ran 24 times, that is as balanced an offense as the Eagles have ever ran.

FreshBoy!
11-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Also I haven't seen one expert take Dallas in this game yet, they all think the Eagles offense is too explosive and the Eagles defense can just sit on a lead and take the opposing offense out of it.

These the same "experts" that predicted the Broncos would win 7 games at best?

Game is won on the field man. I think you're mistaken if you think the Eagles just run away with this game. Pressure and Turnovers is what this game will come down to. Each team is able to cause a great deal of both. Should be a great game...but come down off of that horse a bit.

Thumper
11-06-2009, 10:53 PM
These the same "experts" that predicted the Broncos would win 7 games at best?

Game is won on the field man. I think you're mistaken if you think the Eagles just run away with this game. Pressure and Turnovers is what this game will come down to. Each team is able to cause a great deal of both. Should be a great game...but come down off of that horse a bit.

Ah, come one are you a Cowboys fan? This is Eagles v. Cowboys, big rivalry there is supposed to be a little smack talk.

Also I know perfectly well that games are won on the field, but I was talking about how much hype the Eagles are getting, and they're getting a ton of it right now.

Regardless, hope it is a good game and I agree that these games are dependent on that. Personally I think the Eagles have the edge in both categories seeing as the Eagles have 21 turnovers and the Cowboys have had 9 and the Eagles have 23 sacks compared to the Cowboys 17.

dpl85
11-07-2009, 03:37 PM
How has Jason Peters played so far? I'll be interested to watch the matchup between he and Ware.

Thumper
11-07-2009, 07:46 PM
How has Jason Peters played so far? I'll be interested to watch the matchup between he and Ware.

Great run blocker and has done well in pass protection. The only problem is he'll have 1-2 mental errors a game and a pass rusher will come running free, I think he has given up 4 sacks this season, which doesn't sound good but he has really done well aside from those mistake plays he makes.

Thumper
11-08-2009, 01:17 AM
Interesting stat I just found on ESPN:

The Eagles have the #1 ranked offense in all of the NFL prior to half-time and they have the 23rd ranked offense after half time.

We're the superbowl favorites! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&id=4623504)

Forget statistics, experts, history. The surest way to predict which team will win the Super Bowl is simply to see which one ESPN's Trey Wingo decided to visit that season with his son, Chappy. It's Wingo magic: Each season, father and son pick one game in one city at one stadium they have not visited together. In 2004, Wingo took Chappy to a Patriots-Ravens game in Foxborough, Mass; the Patriots won the Super Bowl. In 2006, Wingo took Chappy to a Colts-Bills game in Indianapolis; the Colts won the Super Bowl. In 2007, Wingo took Chappy to a Giants-Redskins game in New Jersey; the Giants won the Super Bowl. Last season, Wingo took Chappy to a Steelers-Chargers game in Pittsburgh; the Steelers won the Super Bowl. And last weekend, Wingo took the 14-year-old Chappy to the one and only game they opt to attend each season. The Wingos watched the Eagles rout the Giants in Philadelphia. So, with apologies to New Orleans and Minnesota, Philadelphia now becomes the favorite to win this season's Super Bowl. But anyone wanting the Wingos to visit their city next year is a little late. They've already planned their annual football pilgrimage to Green Bay.

Sniper
11-08-2009, 04:09 AM
Interesting stat I just found on ESPN:

The Eagles have the #1 ranked offense in all of the NFL prior to half-time and they have the 23rd ranked offense after half time.

We're the superbowl favorites! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&id=4623504)

I saw that Wingo thing earlier. If we don't win this year, I'm hunting him down.

Thumper
11-08-2009, 12:58 PM
Adam Schefter says that Brian Westbrook is out for this game.

dpl85
11-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Shady will probably play well against us.

superman8456
11-08-2009, 01:20 PM
Max Jean-Giles
Winston Justice
Alex Smith
Jason Avant
Leonard Weaver
Eldra Buckley
PJ Hill
Jason Babin
Chris Gocong
Omar Gaither
Akeem Jordan
Ellis Hobbs
Sean Jones

And Vick has a team opt out clause and Stacy Andrews has a contract designed so that the Eagles can cut him without paying him.

I think Chris Gocong and Max Jean Gilles are the only ones that would leave the Eagles. All the rest have had a good amount of success in the system, so why leave.

Weaver will be resigned by seasons end.

eaglesalltheway
11-08-2009, 04:12 PM
I think Chris Gocong and Max Jean Gilles are the only ones that would leave the Eagles. All the rest have had a good amount of success in the system, so why leave.

Weaver will be resigned by seasons end.

IHOPEIHOPEIHOPEIHOPEIHOPE...

Todd Bertuzzi
11-08-2009, 05:59 PM
Results from the forum mock:

21.Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missou
Value was way too good to pass up here. Also fills a need as Witherspoon isn't young and Gocong is set to become a free agent.

53. Jason Fox, OT, Miami
Eagles don't really have any big needs, but with Shawn Andrews health a big question mark I went with the top OT on the board in Fox. He's had a great year so far in Miami and is a good fit in Philly.

74. Noel Devine, RB, WVU
With the Eagles declining the option on Westbrook's contract it appears his days as an Eagle are limited. Westbrook has been plagued by injuries and at 31 he isn't getting any younger. The Eagles bring in Devine who will play a role similar to Darren Sproles of the Chargers. Devine will take some carries off of Shady's hands and will also return kicks/punts. Just another explosive weapon on the Eagles offense.

85. Lindsey Witten, DE, UConn
Juqua Parker is 32 and Victor Abiamiri can't seem to stay healthy so I opted for the best DE on the board. Witten has proved he can get to the quarterback and will look great lined up opposite Trent Cole.

Stacy Andrews, RG
5th round pick
for
Charles Tillman, CB
Contracts are equal, but with Ellis Hobbs due to become a free agent I brought in Tillman as a replacement. Andrews was 2nd on the depth chart behind MJG.

thoughts?

bump.............

Todd Bertuzzi
11-08-2009, 06:36 PM
Westbrook is out :(

Thumper
11-08-2009, 06:41 PM
Westbrook is out :(

Oh well. I'm comfortable with Shady and Weaver running the ball.

Thumper
11-08-2009, 06:42 PM
Results from the forum mock:



thoughts?

bump.............

I like it all with the exception of Witten. Other than that it is a beastly mock that would improve the Eagles IMO. Would Fox play RT or would he be the back-up?

superman8456
11-08-2009, 06:45 PM
Results from the forum mock:



thoughts?

bump.............

That was pretty bad, I cant lie. I dont see a need for Fox at all. Justice has played pretty well, and is getting better each game. Shutting out Justin Tuck is no easy feat.

Sean Weatherspoon = <3

Noel Devine, another back that can run extremely well outside the tackles, but inside he is still unproven. He would be nice in the return and screen game, but isnt a need at a 3 round pick. Nice value pick, just not for us.

Lindsey Witten is more of a RE to me in the NFL. I would rather get a true LE instead. Give me a Corey Wooton or somebody else at DE please.

Dont get me started on that trade for Charles Tillman.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-08-2009, 06:55 PM
That was pretty horrendous, I cant lie. I dont see a need for Fox at all. Justice has played pretty well, and is getting better each game. Shutting out Justin Tuck is no easy feat.

Noel Devine, another back that can run extremely well outside the tackles, but inside he is still unproven. He would be nice in the return and screen game, but isnt a need at a 3 round pick. Nice value pick, just not for us.

Lindsey Witten is more of a RE to me in the NFL. I would rather get a true LE instead. Give me a Corey Wooton or somebody else at DE please.

Dont get me started on that trade for Charles Tillman.

Haha well it was the 3rd round so Wootton was long gone and he's more of a 3-4 end anyways. Fox is very underrated and if anything gives us depth at tackle with both Justice and Dunlap becoming free agents at the end of the year and with Andrews health always being a concern. Devine adds just another play maker to an offense loaded with them and gives us needed depth at RB. Stacy Andrews sucks and is making 6M to back up MJG. Tillman fills in for the loss of Hobbs.

Thumper
11-08-2009, 11:22 PM
Stupid game.

The good:
-Jason Peters shut DeMarcus Ware down even after injury
-LeSean McCoy and Leonard Weaver are a formidable rushing combination
-Todd Herramens and Jamaal Jackson
-Trent Cole had another good game
-The defensive line as a whole had a good game
-Akeem Jordan in coverage, he did a very nice job on Witten
-Will Witherspoon is the best MLB the Eagles have had in Andy's tenure

The Bad
-Andy Reid's clock management
-Short yardage plays
-Sheldon Brown biting on a double move
-Stacy Andrews and Winston Justice suck, they were dominated by Ratliff
-McNabb, he missed a couple receivers and had one of those nights where the worms were afraid for their lives
-Quintin Mikell and Sean Jones, where were you in crunch time? On the Miles Austin play the over-pursued the play and on the Jason Witten first down they left him wide open.
-Asante Samuel's 'tackling'

Basically that was an extremely sloppy performance where Andy Reid and penalties lost the Eagles the game. Also the Eagles receivers were MIA, Jackson didn't do a thing and Maclin made some nice plays but he dropped one that was intercepted.

FreshBoy!
11-09-2009, 05:20 AM
Stupid game.

The good:
-Jason Peters shut DeMarcus Ware down even after injury
-LeSean McCoy and Leonard Weaver are a formidable rushing combination
-Todd Herramens and Jamaal Jackson
-Trent Cole had another good game
-The defensive line as a whole had a good game
-Akeem Jordan in coverage, he did a very nice job on Witten
-Will Witherspoon is the best MLB the Eagles have had in Andy's tenure

The Bad
-Andy Reid's clock management
-Short yardage plays
-Sheldon Brown biting on a double move
-Stacy Andrews and Winston Justice suck, they were dominated by Ratliff
-McNabb, he missed a couple receivers and had one of those nights where the worms were afraid for their lives
-Quintin Mikell and Sean Jones, where were you in crunch time? On the Miles Austin play the over-pursued the play and on the Jason Witten first down they left him wide open.
-Asante Samuel's 'tackling'

Basically that was an extremely sloppy performance where Andy Reid and penalties lost the Eagles the game. Also the Eagles receivers were MIA, Jackson didn't do a thing and Maclin made some nice plays but he dropped one that was intercepted.

That was the point I was making. Games are won on the field. Throw out all the stats you want before the game, but Dallas was just the better team out there last night.

Sniper
11-09-2009, 07:22 AM
I'd blame the Austin TD more on Sean Jones than Brown. He was NOWHERE near Austin for over the top help.

superman8456
11-09-2009, 06:34 PM
Safety just moved to a major need to me. Q had an alright game, but damn Sean Jones wasnt very good.

Roy Williams was even making plays on us. Sheldon Brown had his ups and downs the entire game. Asante Samuel is 160 pounds, so I can understand why his tackling isnt that good, but he does an adequate job of taking out the legs from underneath the runner.

Trent Cole is an All Pro. There is no way around it. Maybe if we can get another good DE that can bring consistent pressure from the LE spot.

LeSean McCoy is a joke running in between the tackles. He's good at bouncing it out and has good vision, which makes up for it a little but still.

We were getting absolutely toasted by the WR screen, which was pissing me off. We were shutting down their run and most of the deep stuff, we just couldnt stop the WR screen which set them up for most of their points.

Very good game by the DT's. Broderick Bunkley is a beast. One of the simply strongest players I have ever seen.

Thumper
11-09-2009, 06:59 PM
Yeah, after this game I'm convince the Eagles need a big CB, a better FS and a huge upgrade on the right side of the line because Winston Justice and Stacy Andrews are jokes.

I think LB is just fine, the depth has been tested and the Eagles are set there now IMO. Akeem Jordan is a RFA next season and is IMO worthy of starting, Witherspoon is a beast who can play MLB and WLB and I think Moises Fokou had a good game for a LB but someone needs to teach him how to block on returns. Add in Stewart Bradley and the foundation at LB is there. Gocong and Gaither are out the door IMO. And this free agent class is so great with D'Qwell Jackson, Demeco Ryans, Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, Barrett Ruud and Karlos Dansby.

Also on the topic of a free agent DE opposite Trent Cole, Aaron Kampman is going to be a free agent.

Go_Eagles77
11-09-2009, 08:47 PM
Would anyone be opposed to making a jets/browns like trade to move up and take Eric Berry? I would jizz in my pants if that happened.

brat316
11-09-2009, 08:59 PM
to many small holes to fill up to move up that much.

I think the Eagles have a better chance at Mays, like Maclin last year. He could be in a good situation, like in USC, just playing back deep and letting QM play the run, and stuff.

Go_Eagles77
11-09-2009, 09:09 PM
to many small holes to fill up to move up that much.

I think the Eagles have a better chance at Mays, like Maclin last year. He could be in a good situation, like in USC, just playing back deep and letting QM play the run, and stuff.
I'm saying if we don't make the playoffs and move from the 16-19 range to the 5-10 range.
I know it was for a franchise QB, but all the jets gave up was their 1st, 2nd, and a couple of veteran backups. Say the eagles give up their 1st, 2nd, Quintin Demps, Stacy Andrews, and Kevin Curtis (for example). Also, we have 2 3rd round picks anyway so those could help fill those "small holes". The eagles have been known to move up for players they like. As for Mays, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but Berry is a can't-miss, future pro-bowler. Mays has a bigger risk factor there.

Thumper
11-09-2009, 11:15 PM
If we don't make the playoffs? Chargers, Bears, Falcons, 49ers and Broncos are all lesser teams than the Eagles. They'll be tough games, but nothing the Eagles should lose. They'll lose 1 or 2 of those games IMO. And after that it is the Redskins, Cowboys and Giants, at this point I'd suspect a sweep of the Redskins, and a split with the Cowboys and IDK with the Giants, I'll make up my mind next week.

This team is probably going to finish with a 10-6 finish, with losses to the Broncos, Giants and either the Chargers or the Falcons. If this team doesn't make the playoffs, Andy Reid deserves to go. Last nights game falls squarely on his shoulders IMO, he lacks the clock management skills and he for whatever reason cannot get DeSean Jackson involved in the offense. If Andy Reid can't get this team going, then I really do think it is time to make the switch because this is probably one of the most if not the most talented team in the NFL in terms of raw talent at almost every spot.

camp_eagles
11-10-2009, 09:09 AM
What about Merriman at DE? or even a full time switch for Gocong he clearly isnt making enough big plays a LB so I think a move back to DE would do him good. As for safety drafting someone could be the only option but I think we need a High pick, in the last 3 years the eagles have drafted 3 S in the 4th or fifth round: CJ Gaddis, Demps, and Macho I still have faith in Macho. And on the Oline I do not like Justice on the Right side he does not have the anchor to stay in there against the power guys, and Stacy Pass blocks like a pole, I hope every day that Shawn Andrews Mandrews 7373 can make a return to football.

D-Unit
11-10-2009, 05:00 PM
If we don't make the playoffs? Chargers, Bears, Falcons, 49ers and Broncos are all lesser teams than the Eagles. They'll be tough games, but nothing the Eagles should lose. They'll lose 1 or 2 of those games IMO. And after that it is the Redskins, Cowboys and Giants, at this point I'd suspect a sweep of the Redskins, and a split with the Cowboys and IDK with the Giants, I'll make up my mind next week.

This team is probably going to finish with a 10-6 finish, with losses to the Broncos, Giants and either the Chargers or the Falcons. If this team doesn't make the playoffs, Andy Reid deserves to go. Last nights game falls squarely on his shoulders IMO, he lacks the clock management skills and he for whatever reason cannot get DeSean Jackson involved in the offense. If Andy Reid can't get this team going, then I really do think it is time to make the switch because this is probably one of the most if not the most talented team in the NFL in terms of raw talent at almost every spot.
Andy Reid gone? Obsurd.

It's true, he'll never win a SB, but you guys love him and his playoff wins.

Reid doesn't lack clock management skills. He lacked discipline in his challenges. He chose dumb plays to challenge imo. He followed the emotion of his players who btw always think they're right.

Chin up guys. It's always doom and gloom after a loss, but you guys still have a damn good team.

As for Sean Jones... guys you guys figured out what the Browns figured out. He's not good. I was upset that you guys got him, jealous actually.... I thought he was good too.... but I'm happy that we ended up with Sensabaugh. He's been terrific.

Thumper
11-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Andy Reid gone? Obsurd.

It's true, he'll never win a SB, but you guys love him and his playoff wins.

Reid doesn't lack clock management skills. He lacked discipline in his challenges. He chose dumb plays to challenge imo. He followed the emotion of his players who btw always think they're right.

Chin up guys. It's always doom and gloom after a loss, but you guys still have a damn good team.

As for Sean Jones... guys you guys figured out what the Browns figured out. He's not good. I was upset that you guys got him, jealous actually.... I thought he was good too.... but I'm happy that we ended up with Sensabaugh. He's been terrific.

He'll never win a superbowl? It took Bill Cowher 14 years to win his, I wouldn't say that he will NEVER win a superbowl.

You haven't see the games, he is one of the worst in game coaches in the NFL which is why the Eagles have such a bad record when they're down at half-time. If you let the Eagles get out of the gate like they did against the Giants and Cowboys (44-6 game) there is no stopping them, but if you get them in a close game, the Eagles are bound to shoot themselves in the foot with Andy Reid's clock management skills. Great coach Monday-Saturday but on Sunday, he isn't as good as others.

Sean Jones is not a FS, the Eagles figured that out. Jones was just out of position on that big Miles Austin play which is why he scored, Jones was supposed to provide over the top help and that is why Sheldon Brown gambled so much, the Eagles were playing cover 1 and Sean Jones was supposed to be over the top on Miles Austin which clearly he was not, and then when he had the chance to make a game saving tackle, he completely missed it and was juked out of his shoes.

Jones is a much better player against run oriented teams, not pass teams. I figured that out, against the Giants where they only had possession receivers and a power running attack, Sean Jones was reminiscent of Dawkins out there with his hitting and aggressive play. Put him out there against Roy Williams and Miles Austin and he had no shot, he is a big run stuffer who is better suited for SS and he was just good enough to play FS against a power offense where he wouldn't be tested deep. Still a decent player, but should not get the call at FS again. Give it back to Macho because Macho has not allowed one big play all year and is a much surer option than Demps who can't tackle to save his life this season.

Thumper
11-11-2009, 11:46 AM
Ellis Hobbs is on IR with a spine injury. There goes the kick returner.

So who returns kicks? Quintin Demps did a good job, but he is also injured. Is it time to send back Macho and Jeremy Maclin? In college Jeremy Maclin had 85 kickoff returns for 2045 yards and 2 touchdowns and he finally looks like he is confident and did a nice job returning one on Sunday night. Macho Harris who in college only returned 10 kicks but he had 268 yards and a touchdown.

The Eagles also signed former Lions 7th Round Draft Pick Ramzee Robinson to take Ellis' active roster spot. It should also be noted that the Eagles dime CB Dimitri Patterson is also injured and has missed the past 4 games.
Chris Gocong is likely to miss at least one more game with a a quad injury and a hamstring injury.

Akeem Jordan has a hyper extended knee and is doubtful for Sunday.

So who is starting at LB the day the Eagles are going against Antonio Gates, Darren Sproles and Ladanian Tomlinson?
Tracy White-Will Witherspoon-Moise Fokou

Over or under 300 yards receiving for Gates?

And none of that is even the worst news of the day:

Here is what Brian Seltzer said this morning:
I was just told by a league source: DeSean Jackson has fired DeBartolo Sports, and intends to sign with Rosenhaus.

God dammit, DeSean is about to sign with the Devil that got TO and Lito out of Philly (although maybe the second one isn't so bad).

Also, DeSean Jackson only has 8 touches in the last 3 games and 3 of them have gone for touchdowns, clearly he needs to be more involved.

Thumper
11-11-2009, 11:54 AM
Holy Balls, why is this happening? :(

Joselio Hanson is gone for an entire month at least and the Eagles called up Jack Ike who freaking sucked in the pre-season.

So, the Eagles lose Joselio Hanson, Ellis Hobbs and they replace them with Ramzee Robinson and Jack Ikegwuonu... and the 5th CB Dimitri Patterson has been injured ever since the Tampa Bay game and hasn't been active since.

Go_Eagles77
11-11-2009, 12:24 PM
Our CB depth is horrible now.

Thumper
11-11-2009, 02:45 PM
Was the bus struck by lightning? Jeez.

Westbrook, Jason Peters, Quintin Demps, Leonard Weaver, Kevin Curtis all missed practice and there are a plethora of others who are hurt.

BamaFalcon59
11-11-2009, 05:08 PM
Macho good to go now?

Thumper
11-11-2009, 05:23 PM
Macho good to go now?

Macho's role just went through the roof, before he was a nice guy to have with potential, now he is a guy who must play great. He lost his FS job to Sean Jones after the Redskins game because he couldn't cover Fred Davis or Chris Cooley and because he got injured and committed a special teams penalty. But, all of a sudden after an awful showing from Sean Jones, Macho Harris is back in the rotation at FS. With Hanson and Hobbs going out for extended amounts of time, he now has a bigger role at CB along with Demps (who played CB/FS last season). AND since Ellis Hobbs was the kick returner, Andy Reid said he is now going to rotate Maclin, Harris and Demps back there.

Harris's role just went through the roof.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-11-2009, 05:49 PM
It might not be such a bad idea to move Macho back to CB for the time being and let Demps or Jones play FS.

Go_Eagles77
11-12-2009, 03:08 PM
per rotoworld

Eagles linebacker Will Witherspoon is moving to the weakside this week, with Chris Gocong taking over the middle and rookie Moise Fokou at strongside.
Witherspoon has played well as the MIKE since the deadline trade, so this move comes as a surprise. We're guessing it could be temporary in nature, as Fokou likely only knows how to play SLB. Once Akeem Jordan (knee) returns to the lineup, the changes could be reversed. In the meantime, the move is a drain on Witherspoon's IDP value.

Gocong at MLB?

camp_eagles
11-12-2009, 03:22 PM
I think he took a few snaps when gaither first got hurt

Go_Eagles77
11-12-2009, 03:28 PM
You may be right. It just seems weird as a former DE, but he has been much more of a run thumper than a pass rusher/cover guy anyway.

camp_eagles
11-13-2009, 04:56 PM
Isnt there a guy on our roster who was handed the MLB job after Bradly got hurt but just wasnt up to it mentally. Oh ya JOE MAYS this really says alot about him if we are moving someone with only a few snaps of experience to MLB and starting a Rookie 7th rnd pick who played poorly last week again at SAM. Also WTF is Trotter doing on this roster if he isnt starting and isnt gettign on the field. And it was nice to see matt wilhelm having such a nice game last night for san fran.

Go_Eagles77
11-13-2009, 05:08 PM
I don't want Jeremiah Trotter and Antonio Gates on the field at the same time.

KCJ58
11-14-2009, 09:09 PM
so who's going to return kicks for you this sunday?

camp_eagles
11-15-2009, 01:14 AM
Quintin Demps if he cant go then Jeremy Maclin. Demps returned a kick for a TD last year against the ravens

Thumper
11-15-2009, 12:11 PM
so who's going to return kicks for you this sunday?

Rotation of Jeremy Maclin/Macho Harris and Quitin Demps

Todd Bertuzzi
11-15-2009, 06:21 PM
Well we're still very well alive in the division and wild card races. A must win next week against the Bears.

superman8456
11-15-2009, 06:43 PM
I think the next couple of weeks are going to be a long couple of weeks until we can get these injuries taken care of. Its no mystery why were struggling, too many injuries and too many players playing new positions because of it.

There were SOME good things I saw against the Chargers. Jason Avant finally had a breakout game. They really tried to get the ball to DeSean Jackson and he had an alright game. Our young players show a lot of promise.

The bad was that our defense is just not getting the job done. Too many inconsistencies and players not on the same page. For example, Asante Samuel on that one touchdown pass. He let the WR go, even though there wasnt any safety help. The playcalling on defense wasnt that great and didnt put players in a very good position to make plays.

I'm not making excuses anymore. We're not getting the job done on either sides of the ball right now. We pass for 450 yards, but cant put the ball in the endzone.

Thumper
11-15-2009, 07:51 PM
This team is fundamentally flawed, the defense can't make crucial stops, the playcalling is the worst it has ever been, the Eagles can't run the ball even though they've got the biggest offensive line in the game, they can't cover a tight end, they can't get TDs from the red-zone and they can't convert any short yardage situation.

The tight end situation is ridiculous, that was the second game in a row where the Eagles gave up a catch to a TE in crunch time that allowed the opposing team to milk the clock.

The running game doesn't even need to be talked about, 12 attempts and 29 yards? Clearly the personnel and the play calling are both suspect.

The Eagles tight end problem is ridiculous, over the course of the season the Eagles have allowed 48 receptions, 593 yards and 5 touchdowns and if you take out the first three weeks the Eagles have allowed 43 receptions, 531 yards and 5 touchdowns in 6 weeks and that doesn't even account for the 2 game clinching first downs the Eagles have allowed.

The redzone problems are ridiculous, they lost the Eagles this game. Prior to the third quarter there were three trips to the redzone and 3 field goals. I'm struggling to find numbers on the season but I know they're not good. The Eagles have had red-zone issues the past 3 seasons and it isn't changing. I know I am kind of harping on the same thing, but the Eagles offense lives and dies by the big play, the past two weeks DeSean Jackson hasn't made a big TD play (neither has anyone) and the Eagles are struggling, in games where the Eagles can't make the big play they're 0-2.

And again on the topic of running, the offensive line that played against the Chargers today averaged a weight of 332 pounds and they still couldn't move the ball on the ground, and the Chargers were missing their all-pro NT, clearly something's wrong.

And short yardage plagued the Eagles yet again.

I am really starting to hope Andy Reid gets fired because it is clear that he can't call a balanced offense, he can't motivate a team and his offensive staff can't call the right plays at the right time to save their lives. I really can't take his pass happy offense anymore, it is never going to take the Eagles where they need to go. Andy Reid is a good coach but he is not a great coach and the Eagles need a great coach because it is very clear the Eagles have the talent to go wherever they please, the only thing holding them back is the coaching.

Thumper
11-15-2009, 08:02 PM
Also don't let McNabb's stats fool you he missed players all over the place today.

The bright side of today is that the receivers really showed up, Jeremy Maclin and DeSean combined for 14 receptions, 169 yards and a touchdown. Also throw in Avant and Celek and the receivers are very young and talented.

Also Todd Herramens is the best Eagles offensive lineman, he was better than anyone on the line last year with Shawn Andrews out but even when Shawn Andrews was in Herramens was the best OG statistically. The offensive line clearly got better when he came in against the Redskins and have since cleaned their efforts up after the Raiders debacle. And then he moved out to LT today and did a fantastic job against some of the best linebackers in the NFL, as he and Jason Peters continue to develop chemistry I expect them to form one of the best if not the best left side in football.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-15-2009, 08:38 PM
Oh yeah and expect Westbrook to miss considerable time with his second concussion in three weeks.

camp_eagles
11-15-2009, 10:19 PM
I this team could put together 4 quarters of football then there is no one they cant beat. Im really sick of alot of the playcalling and decisons being made even donovan was mad they didnt run the ball on one of the many 3 and 1s that soon became 4 and 1s that resulted in FG.

Also as soon as andy decided to kick the FG from the 1 i knew the game was lost because he was coaching not to lose and not coaching for the win. I feel like alot of these calls are no brainers and andy is certainly going against the grain on alot of them.

D-Unit
11-16-2009, 03:20 PM
I am really starting to hope Andy Reid gets fired because it is clear that he can't call a balanced offense, he can't motivate a team and his offensive staff can't call the right plays at the right time to save their lives. I really can't take his pass happy offense anymore, it is never going to take the Eagles where they need to go. Andy Reid is a good coach but he is not a great coach and the Eagles need a great coach because it is very clear the Eagles have the talent to go wherever they please, the only thing holding them back is the coaching.

But just the other day you told me this when I criticized Reid:

He'll never win a superbowl? It took Bill Cowher 14 years to win his, I wouldn't say that he will NEVER win a superbowl.

You haven't see the games, he is one of the worst in game coaches in the NFL which is why the Eagles have such a bad record when they're down at half-time. If you let the Eagles get out of the gate like they did against the Giants and Cowboys (44-6 game) there is no stopping them, but if you get them in a close game, the Eagles are bound to shoot themselves in the foot with Andy Reid's clock management skills. Great coach Monday-Saturday but on Sunday, he isn't as good as others.

Right now, I cannot believe how messed up the Eagles and Giants are right now. Even after losing to Green Bay, the Cowboys seem to be ok because of how bad you guys look.

But one of you (Eagles/Giants) will make a run for the playoffs. Not sure which... Isn't it so interesting to see how things change so much in the NFL? Dallas could go on a losing roll and totally tank, but it doesn't seem likely now. But it could happen too.

Go_Eagles77
11-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Andy Reid is a great coach 349-345 days of the year.

D-Unit
11-16-2009, 03:50 PM
Andy Reid is a great coach 349-345 days of the year.
He should really just be a GM. He's got a good feel for that.

Sniper
11-17-2009, 08:47 AM
This team will be lucky to go 9-7.

Go_Eagles77
11-17-2009, 09:49 AM
I feel the same way. They're just way too damn inconsistent and if you don't win the games you're supposed to (Oakland) on top of an already brutal schedule, it makes it that much harder.

Go_Eagles77
11-18-2009, 11:15 AM
Sheldon Brown out 1-2 weeks. Wonderful.

Sheldon Brown's hamstring injury will likely sideline him for this week and maybe more, according to Paul Domowitch of the Philadelphia Daily News.
This is a crushing blow to the Eagles defense. Without Brown, Ellis Hobbs and Joselio Hanson, the Eagles will likely start Dimitri Patterson opposite Asante Samuel. Patterson will need help and they won't be able to bring their trademark pressure, especially in nickel situations. Upgrade the Bears passing game for this week.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

eaglesalltheway
11-20-2009, 12:10 PM
Damn it, if my week couldn't get any worse... (I had a run in with the tablesaw at work, and my right thumb and pointer finger took it on, and lost, lol.)

Damn this news...

brat316
11-20-2009, 02:41 PM
Damn it, if my week couldn't get any worse... (I had a run in with the tablesaw at work, and my right thumb and pointer finger took it on, and lost, lol.)

Damn this news...

did you pull it out in time, or did it take it right off.

Go_Eagles77
11-20-2009, 02:48 PM
did you pull it out in time, or did it take it right off.
That's what she said...

Sorry to hear that EATW. Hope everything heals alright.

eaglesalltheway
11-20-2009, 03:28 PM
I did not lose any digits, luckily. My finger is going to heal up fine and I'm going to have full function. My thumb was a little more serious, I chipped the tip of my thumb bone and dug a pretty good trough out of my thumbprint and the area underneath, but everything is stitched up there as well. I will have full function of my thumb, but it will be a little ugly looking from now on. My thumb is a little shorter and lop-sided, but as long as I keep everything clean I should be fine. The sad thing is, its been one of the more exciting things to happen to me in a while, lol.

superman8456
11-22-2009, 10:27 AM
This is a big game for us tonight. We need some momentum finishing off the season.

Sniper
11-22-2009, 10:29 AM
This is a big game for us tonight. We need some momentum finishing off the season.

I'd be stunned if we won. One of our top four corners is healthy, we don't win on NBC's SNF, and Olsen will probably kill us again.

superman8456
11-22-2009, 10:48 AM
I'd be stunned if we won. One of our top four corners is healthy, we don't win on NBC's SNF, and Olsen will probably kill us again.

Hopefully our offense steps up big like we all know they have the talent to do.

Thumper
11-22-2009, 11:18 PM
Dimitri Patterson played very well tonight subbing for both Sheldon Brown and Asante Samuel, I have a little bit more faith in him now, aside from an illegal contact penalty he didn't make mistakes, didn't blow his coverage and was fairly physical. Also did anyone else notice Macho Harris all over the place? He played FS, Nickel, Dime and he rushed the passer more than I've seen recently and he did a nice job of getting pressure.

Trent Cole had a fantastic game, caused chaos all night.

Chris Gocong has regressed and is terrible, please leave now. The linebackers all suck aside from Will Witherspoon who is a monster, but the rotation of Trot and Mays isn't very good, in fact Mays had 1 tackle and didn't even play as much as Trotter who actually had a respectable performance. Tracy White needs to play more, I see nothing but positive things happen when he is in the game. I really like the idea of Witherspoon and Bradley together next season and hopefully the Eagles will develop Moise Fokou who has potential, just needs to play more disciplined.

I know this is really stepping out onto a limb ;) but the future of DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and LeSean McCoy is exciting and has potential to be downright dominant and then when you toss in Kevin Kolb, Brent Celek, Jason Avant and the offensive line, this offense will be great next season. Why will it be great next season? Well, the offensive line will be much improved, hopefully Stacy Andrews and Shawn Andrews can actually be healthy and take part in training camp 100% and with the entire unit will be able to bond. Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson will get even more experience, LeSean McCoy will probably gain a little weight, work on the finer points of the game and get better. This offense has the potential to be crazy good, I don't even know who to compare DeSean Jackson to because he like Sinorice Moss but has Steve Smith production, maybe we'll just say he is Sinorice Moss of 2005 and Jeremy Maclin has loads and loads of potential, I see a little bit of a Reggie Wayne or Tory Holt kind of player in him (similar, size speed and play style). I can't wait for them to develop.

Jason Peters needs to cut the penalties down, he is a great LT aside from his issues with false starts which tend to slow momentum, he is so strong and powerful but his penalties are just irritating.

Andy Reid, when you're ahead you're one of the best in the game, from Tuesday to Saturday you're great. Why do you struggle so much in clutch situations and time management? And please take note, when you run you win, just look at the last 4 games you're 2-2 and you've won when you run the ball and you've lost when you completely abandon it, please notice this.

Antonio Dixon is a big time steal, he has been a great player in the Eagles rotation this season and he blocked a kick tonight, big time steal. And paging Trevor Laws, please feel free to do something anytime you feel like it. Laws is a bust, second round pick who has been overtaken by a UDFA Rookie for the role of third defensive tackle. I actually like Laws coming into this year but this season he just isn't playing well.

Who said Asante can't tackle? He can when he wants to, I saw him stick two or three players tonight and he only played the first half, but his attempt to tackle Earl Bennett was pathetic.

The Eagles had a better night tonight than they did against the Cowboys and Chargers, keep it up, the Cowboys are choking and the Giants struggling as well, the Eagles are the most talented team in the division and if they execute neither the Cowboys nor the Giants can beat the Eagles.

brat316
11-22-2009, 11:28 PM
Whhooooo raayyy for a running game....draft a power back that can catch or just a power back...Tony Gerheart.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-22-2009, 11:43 PM
We could get Blount in the mid to late rounds.

diabsoule
11-23-2009, 12:11 AM
Why doesn't Omar Gaither ever see the field?

Thumper
11-23-2009, 12:27 AM
Why doesn't Omar Gaither ever see the field?

Because he broke his foot and is out for the season.

cunningham06
11-23-2009, 01:45 AM
Don't ya wish you could just turn off injuries like in Madden? I can't wait to see all of our LB's once they are healthy. Bradley and Witherspoon will be great together.

eaglesalltheway
11-23-2009, 04:06 PM
Don't ya wish you could just turn off injuries like in Madden? I can't wait to see all of our LB's once they are healthy. Bradley and Witherspoon will be great together.

Jizz in my pants...

BamaFalcon59
11-23-2009, 06:30 PM
Michael Vick!

And Macho Harris!

VT repping.

Go_Eagles77
11-24-2009, 10:47 AM
Eagles extended Winston Justice's contract

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/bloghead/

The Eagles have signed right tackle Winston Justice to a four-year contract extension through 2013. Justice's rookie contract was due to expire at season's end.

Justice grabbed hold of a starting spot on the offensive line in 2009 with a strong off-season and training camp, and he has started all 10 games at right tackle for the Eagles this season.

Justice has credited staying in Philadelphia during the off-season to work closely with offensive line coach Juan Castillo as one of the biggest reasons for his improvement, and it appears he'll be staying in Philadelphia for the foreseeable future.

Drafted in the second round of the 2006 NFL Draft (39th overall) out of Southern California, the 6-foot-6, 320-pound Justice spent the majority of his first three seasons plying his trade behind long-time stalwarts Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan.

Justice will be made available to the media at 2 PM.

Thoughts? He has really impressed me this year so I like the move. Gives us a good solid RT for the next 4+ years. What does this say about Shawn Andrews?

Sniper
11-24-2009, 10:52 AM
He's been much, much better than I anticipated. Nothing exceptional, but definitely solid. I really liked his block to spring Mike Vick against the Bears. Who would have ever thought we'd see this day? Good for you, Winston.

eaglesalltheway
11-24-2009, 03:00 PM
I told you guys not to give up on Winston Justice... The team didn't either and it is paying off. He can improve yet, but that will come with more playing time. I'm glad my view on him is beginning to be proven, and glad he is being rewarded for his play. Hopefully he continues his improvement and continues to help the team.

Thumper
11-24-2009, 04:33 PM
This means this is the end of one of the Andrews brothers, I don't know who though. Shawn Andrews might be moved back inside to RG or they might cut ties with Shawn and keep Stacy despite his play quality. One of them is gone.

http://www.igglesblog.com/iggles_blog/2009/09/refresher-on-the-andrews-brothers-deals.html

Shawn Andrews:

Shawn, the bulk of the value of the contract extension that he signed in 2005was paid in a pair of $5 million bonuses that year and in 2006. He also got a large base salary in 2008 as a result of a performance escalator in his contract that was triggered by his Pro Bowl seasons in 2006 and 2007. From a cap perspective, though, all but $1 million of those bonuses have already been amortized, with the last proration hitting the potentially non-existent cap in 2010.


Stacy Andrews:

Stacy's contract was reported to be a staggering (for a guy coming off of knee surgery who as it turned out was going to be moved to guard) 6 years and $38.7 million. But the Eagles didn't put in much guaranteed money. In fact, "all" they are on the hook for during 2009 is $1.62 million of base salary, a $3 million roster bonus, and a $500K workout bonus, for a total of $5.12 million. They also put in a $31,250 per game appeared in roster bonus, for a potential additional total of $500K. The remaining 5 years of the deal are worth about $32.9 million. If the Eagles decide to move in another direction, they are off the hook for that money in its entirety.

One of them is gone, and I'm pleasantly surprised with Winston Justice, he struggled a little bit at first but now that he has his feet under him he is doing a very nice job and he completely shut down Brian Orakpo, Justin Tuck, Anthony Spencer, Shaun Phillips and Adewale Ogunleye in 5 consecutive weeks, he is doing a nice job out there. If you keep an eye on him, he is doing a fantastic job getting to the second level which the Eagles have lacked at RT due to Jon Runyan's age and he allows the Eagles to be much more creative in the run game because of his athleticism. Also if you pay really close attention to the line, you'll see Winston Justice throwing his weight around in the pile, he seems to be more agressive as of late. He is not a world beater RT and lacks the power of a typical RT but he is more athletic and he definitely has potential, the entire issue with him was all confidence. He could definitely improve in the run game because so far this season when the Eagles run on the right side of the line they average 3.94 yards a carry and when they run outside the tackle the Eagles average 3.55 yards a carry. I think those numbers could improve just with an upgrade at RG (I really want Mike Iupati), a blocking TE (Colin Peek please) and when and if LeSean McCoy learns to take what the defense gives him and just run straight. He has straightened things out and plays the RT spot fairly well, he showed the commitment to improve his game and he deserves the contract extension. Plus he has been the most consistent lineman this season playing every game next to a rotation of right guards (Stacy Andrews, Nick Cole and MJG).

camp_eagles
11-24-2009, 09:08 PM
I still loves me some Shawn Andrews

Thumper
11-24-2009, 09:58 PM
I still loves me some Shawn Andrews

I don't... he is a whiney player who doesn't like football and only plays for the money, plus he is injured all the time. He should go sing somewhere because that is his dream, go out there and 'Get your Michael Phelps on' or whatever the hell that song is called. He deserves to be run out of town he is a mentally weak, injury prone, whiney player who serves no purpose aside from eating up cap space.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-24-2009, 10:40 PM
21.Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missou
Value was way too good to pass up here. Also fills a need as Witherspoon isn't young and Gocong is set to become a free agent.

53. Jason Fox, OT, Miami
Eagles don't really have any big needs, but with Shawn Andrews health a big question mark I went with the top OT on the board in Fox. He's had a great year so far in Miami and is a good fit in Philly.

74. Noel Devine, RB, WVU
With the Eagles declining the option on Westbrook's contract it appears his days as an Eagle are limited. Westbrook has been plagued by injuries and at 31 he isn't getting any younger. The Eagles bring in Devine who will play a role similar to Darren Sproles of the Chargers. Devine will take some carries off of Shady's hands and will also return kicks/punts. Just another explosive weapon on the Eagles offense.

85. Lindsey Witten, DE, UConn
Juqua Parker is 32 and Victor Abiamiri can't seem to stay healthy so I opted for the best DE on the board. Witten has proved he can get to the quarterback and will look great lined up opposite Trent Cole.

Stacy Andrews, RG
5th round pick
for
Charles Tillman, CB
Contracts are equal, but with Ellis Hobbs due to become a free agent I brought in Tillman as a replacement. Andrews was 2nd on the depth chart behind MJG.

Now what do you think of this trade? We all saw how useful Tillman can be at causing turnovers on Sunday.

superman8456
11-24-2009, 11:19 PM
The only way Im letting Shawn Andrews go is for a trade. Maybe a pick, or a player, doesnt matter to me. I love our left side of our offensive line and our right side hasnt been playing that bad.

Stacy Andrews is good depth, but thats about it. I'm going to give him until next season, when his injury is fully healed, to start calling him a waste. He got absolutely abused by Jay Ratliff though.

Nick Cole and Max Jean Gilles are both solid and could start on most teams. They do a solid job whenever we need them.

I want to see a little more of King Dunlap though. Hopefully I dont, because that would mean Jason Peters is hurt, but Im interested in his development.

eaglesalltheway
11-25-2009, 12:09 PM
The only way Im letting Shawn Andrews go is for a trade. Maybe a pick, or a player, doesnt matter to me. I love our left side of our offensive line and our right side hasnt been playing that bad.

Stacy Andrews is good depth, but thats about it. I'm going to give him until next season, when his injury is fully healed, to start calling him a waste. He got absolutely abused by Jay Ratliff though.

Nick Cole and Max Jean Gilles are both solid and could start on most teams. They do a solid job whenever we need them.

I want to see a little more of King Dunlap though. Hopefully I dont, because that would mean Jason Peters is hurt, but Im interested in his development.

Jay Ratliff is a great player, and as a nose, most of the time he would be Jamaal Jackson's reponsibility... at least a share of Ratliff's success can be blamed on Jackson as well.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Happy Birthday Donovan McNabb!

superman8456
11-25-2009, 05:07 PM
Jay Ratliff is a great player, and as a nose, most of the time he would be Jamaal Jackson's reponsibility... at least a share of Ratliff's success can be blamed on Jackson as well.

I remember Jay lining head up on Stacy though.

eaglesalltheway
11-25-2009, 05:40 PM
I remember Jay lining head up on Stacy though.

On some plays, yes, but a 3-4 NT is usually lined up head up or shaded from the center. Because of Ratliff's skill set it is sometimes best suited for him to be on the guard, but even then he would most likely be shaded on the inside shoulder of the guard. I don't remember any specific play where this happened, (I'm sure it did though), but because of Ratliff's position and responsibility in the Defense he is usually the Center's responsibility.

Thumper
11-25-2009, 06:16 PM
No, he was on Stacy Andrews and just raped him. I know what play he was talking about and Jamaal Jackson wasn't even involved which could be the problem but regardless, Stacy Andrews got destroyed.

camp_eagles
11-25-2009, 06:58 PM
No, he was on Stacy Andrews and just raped him. I know what play he was talking about and Jamaal Jackson wasn't even involved which could be the problem but regardless, Stacy Andrews got destroyed.
It was complete domination Stacy Lunged forward and Jason swan right over him.

eaglesalltheway
11-26-2009, 11:33 AM
That was one play, and I don't remember it, but I'm sure it went as you guys say. I was referring to how he typically would line up... on that play it seems like responsibility is on Stacey, however, throughout the game, responsibility should be shared between all our interior O-linemen. That's all I'm saying.

TitleTown088
11-29-2009, 10:55 AM
Whats the feeling on chris gocong? You guys think he's going to be retained or will they let him walk?

Sniper
11-29-2009, 10:56 AM
Whats the feeling on chris gocong? You guys think he's going to be retained or will they let him walk?

They probably would have re-signed him by now. The Eagles usually sign their young guys to extensions early in their current contracts. Green Bay would actually be a good spot for him. He's better suited for a 3-4.

TitleTown088
11-29-2009, 11:12 AM
They probably would have re-signed him by now. The Eagles usually sign their young guys to extensions early in their current contracts. Green Bay would actually be a good spot for him. He's better suited for a 3-4. With the current salary cap issue going on I don't think many have been re-signed yet though. I know the Packers sure haven't because of this reason, and I seem to notice it around the league.

He really would be Nice for the Packers, I've been hoping he makes it to free agency.

cunningham06
11-29-2009, 02:37 PM
What the **** Andy, what do you not understand about calling a balanced game and running the ball?

Todd Bertuzzi
11-29-2009, 03:15 PM
A win is a win.

Thumper
11-29-2009, 03:21 PM
The Eagles dodged a bullet on that one, phew!

Thumper
11-29-2009, 03:27 PM
DeSean Jackson has a concussion and a neck injury. My guess is he will probably miss next week, its Downtown Reggie Brown time now lol :(

Sniper
11-29-2009, 03:29 PM
DeSean Jackson has a concussion and a neck injury. My guess is he will probably miss next week, its Downtown Reggie Brown time now lol :(

Luckily, the Falcons' secondary is garbage.

superman8456
11-29-2009, 03:31 PM
Sloppy as **** win, but I'll take it.

Either the crappy teams that play the Eagles always bring their A game, or we just play down to their level. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with our offense right now, outside of our of young WR's and LeSean.

Winston got abused today too.

Sean McDermott's play calling isnt that great either. I would call it mediocre, but he has big shoes to fill and plenty of time to change my opinion.

eaglesalltheway
11-29-2009, 11:39 PM
I think that (sloppy win and the defense's inability to stop the skins on third down) can partially be due to the fact that each team knows the other so well. Really no excuse for Justice's play. He got slaughtered this week... now I don't feel as smart, lol.

Thumper
11-29-2009, 11:57 PM
One thing of note, Brent Celek was having trouble catching the ball late in the game as we all noticed. But I'm not sure if any of you noticed that Celek had his hand heavily taped up, I didn't think anything of it because I had assumed it had been there the entire time but... According to Brian Seltzer Celek informed staff pain in his thumb was so great, he couldn't physically catch football. And also Celek says he tore ligaments in his hand. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4698798)


Also an interesting stat is how the rookies stepped it up with Celek and Jackson hurt. Jeremy Maclin and LeSean McCoy combined for 73 of team’s 158 yds on the final two drives.

Also Jamaal Jackson said after the game "The biggest difference from this year to last year is that coaches have the confidence to run the ball late." and he is right, the Eagles ran 10 times in the last 19 plays.

Thumper
11-30-2009, 04:08 PM
The Eagles 7-4 start is the best since going 10-1 in 2004, another testament to how hot the Eagles get at the end of the season if 7-4 is the second best record in week 11 in the past 11 years under Andy and yet they've continually made the playoffs.

superman8456
11-30-2009, 04:16 PM
Seasons starting to come to a close and our draft needs are starting to become more apparent. I have a couple questions about our needs.

Do you guys think we should draft a TE in the top 3 rounds? Personally, if I see Jermaine Gresham in round 2, we take him, but if not Im not sure. I dont want to put my faith in Cornelius Ingram because 2nd time tearing the same ACL cant be good.

Where do you rank our need for RB? I've seen a lot of mocks giving us a RB in the 2nd. I HATE the pick. I love LeSean McCoy running outside the tackles and the screen game he provides, and Weavers between the tackles game is enough to keep me happy.

Do we go safety 1st or 2nd? I think its safe to say Mays and Berry are not going to be Eagles in the near future, but who do we target and when do we target them? I'm a fan of Reshad Jones in the 2nd.

Do you guys think Allen Bailey would fit in the Eagles system? Personally, I hope he declares and we use our 1st on him. I love his versatility and I have faith that we can coach him up.

Thumper
11-30-2009, 04:37 PM
My top needs are RG and LE, at RG I'm hoping the Eagles can snag Mike Iupati in the second (or John Jerry in the third) and at LE I like Derrick Morgan but I really am excited to see what Greg Rosmeus can develop into (he has the potential to be VERY good).

Personally I like Macho Harris, Quintin Demps and Sean Jones at FS, they're not great but Macho and Demps still have potential and are great coverage players and Sean Jones is good against the run.

I want a RB and I want either Ben Tate or Anthony Dixon in the second or third round.

I think the Eagles go WR earlier than people think with depth issues due to Kevin Curtis being injured and Reggie Brown sucking.

TE is fine, Alex Smith should be resigned and with Smith, Martin Rucker, Cornelius Ingram and Brent Celek the Eagles have good depth.

CB is my sleeper need and I actually think the Eagles go CB in round 1, injury issues have completely deflated depth at the CB spot and with Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown always injured this season I think they're going to realize they need to upgrade Dimitri Patterson, Ramzee Robinson and Geoffrey Pope. I really want Kyle Wilson from Boise State who is not only a good returner (which the Eagles need) but he is a shutdown corner in college.

superman8456
11-30-2009, 04:55 PM
I think CB right now just looks horrendous. Its still questionable whether or not Ellis Hobbs will resign, but his injury still hurt us. Joselio should come back from his 4 game suspension and help our secondary. Right now our the CB depth is bad, but by the end of the season should improve.

I Kyle Wilson and Perrish Cox at CB if we go there.

Todd Bertuzzi
11-30-2009, 05:10 PM
The only safeties/cornerbacks I'm comfortable with us drafting in round 1 are Berry(who sounds like he's leaning towards staying now), Mays and Haden. Earl Thomas is another possibility, but I'm almost positive he stays. Honestly I think this year Reid's going to go back to drafting in the trenches, be it LE or RT(we can get a RG later on).

Also the injuries just keep piling up this year with Jackson and Celek now. I'm pretty sure they'll be ready to go for this week, but especially in Jackson's case with concussions you never know. It looks like we could get lucky this week though with the possibility of both Matt Ryan and Turner being out.

cunningham06
11-30-2009, 07:13 PM
The only safeties/cornerbacks I'm comfortable with us drafting in round 1 are Berry(who sounds like he's leaning towards staying now), Mays and Haden. Earl Thomas is another possibility, but I'm almost positive he stays. Honestly I think this year Reid's going to go back to drafting in the trenches, be it LE or RT(we can get a RG later on).

Also the injuries just keep piling up this year with Jackson and Celek now. I'm pretty sure they'll be ready to go for this week, but especially in Jackson's case with concussions you never know. It looks like we could get lucky this week though with the possibility of both Matt Ryan and Turner being out.

What makes you say that about Earl Thomas? He's got 8 picks this season, most people here at UT expect he will go pro after the season he's having, especially if we win the national championship. I'd like to get Earl, but since the Eagles never seem to draft UT players we'll see.

I'm with you on LE and RT as early picks. I like Abiamiri but he just isn't durable enough to hold up all season (sorry EATW). I'm ok with us at safety, I think Macho is the future there as he gets more experience.

eaglesalltheway
11-30-2009, 07:22 PM
We need to address the trenches and the secondary. We need depth at least in these areas, with potential starters needed at RG, LE, and FS. I like our top 3 CBs, but depth is needed. In all honesty, our top needs have young players who have shown glimpses, except RG, but RG could be addressed later, not necessarily in the first round.

Thumper
11-30-2009, 07:51 PM
Eagles are signing Brent Celek to a 6 year 30 million dollar contract extension. (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/11/30/1179561/celek-to-sign-6yr-30mil-extension)

EDIT: NVM, it is an unconfirmed deal from a "friend of Brent Celek's family" but this is about the time where the Eagles extend their young players, so an extension is forseeable but I highly doubt the Eagles pay Brent Celek 5 million dollars a year which would make him one of the highest paid players at the TE spot in the NFL, right behind Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez and Dallas Clark. The Eagles spent 4 million on a franchise tag on LJ Smith and the pay of a franchise player is determined by the top 5 players pay at the players spot, so Celek would be top 5 and the Eagles are notorious for lowballing clients so I highly doubt the Eagles shell out that kind of cash especially with DeSean Jackson likely wanting a fatty new contract and the money they have invested in Jason Peters, Stacy Andrews and Winston Justice.

Go_Eagles77
11-30-2009, 08:01 PM
That's awesome. Celek is a great player, a great person and really deserves it. Jason Avant next please.

Edit: Leonard Weaver too!

d34ng3l021
11-30-2009, 08:05 PM
My most anticipated game of the season (my roommate is an Eagles fan) and the marquee match up is all but done. Matt Ryan is out :/

GG

eaglesalltheway
11-30-2009, 08:11 PM
That's awesome. Celek is a great player, a great person and really deserves it. Jason Avant next please.

Edit: Leonard Weaver too!

I'll second this...

eaglesalltheway
11-30-2009, 08:18 PM
My most anticipated game of the season (my roommate is an Eagles fan) and the marquee match up is all but done. Matt Ryan is out :/

GG

What is the status on Turner?

Thumper
11-30-2009, 08:21 PM
What is the status on Turner?

Questionable with a sprained ankle, my guess is that he misses the game because he re-injured it last Sunday and it had been messing with him for a few weeks.

d34ng3l021
11-30-2009, 08:36 PM
Yeah. He had a high ankle sprain against the Panthers and left the Bucs game with a lower leg injury. Not the same exact thing, but still pretty bad. I doubt we see much of him on Sunday. At least Norwood is healthy and Snelling is doing a good job filling his role.

Go_Eagles77
11-30-2009, 08:42 PM
Norwood scares me just as much as Turner.

superman8456
11-30-2009, 08:52 PM
Norwood scares me just as much as Turner.

Norwood doesnt scare me as much as Turner, because Turner will take 2-3 people each time to take him down.

eaglesalltheway
12-01-2009, 06:15 AM
Norwood doesnt scare me as much as Turner, because Turner will take 2-3 people each time to take him down.

He is still dynamic with the ball in his hands, and with how inconsistent the D's tackling has been, and some additional 8 man sets, if he breaks a tackle, it could go for big yards...

Thumper
12-07-2009, 11:20 AM
Yes! The Eagles are getting healthy! Westbrook is fine now, Desean is playing on Sunday, Kevin Curtis is finally healthy, Akeem Jordan is coming back and Joselio Hanson is off his suspension. The Eagles are getting healthy for the stretch run.

bigbluedefense
12-07-2009, 11:26 AM
The Eagles are winning the division. I see you guys beating us this week, and finishing off a strong december.

If the Giants have a chance, its only as a wild card in my eyes, bc we're not a great December team either and you guys have tie breakers on us.

I'm hoping Dallas does what Dallas does in December, and hopefully the Giants can win enough to squeak into the playoffs.

The Eagles are simply a better version of the Giants. Our teams are built the same almost, but the Eagles are just a better version. The only other team that scares me more than the Eagles are the Saints. I think that highly of the Eagles.

Its a shame you guys are banged up this year. A healthy Eagles team in my eyes is the most talented team in the league.

We have a chance in this game, but I think its only bc division games are always close regardless of talent. But I do think the Eagles are the better team.

eaglesalltheway
12-07-2009, 01:20 PM
The Eagles are winning the division. I see you guys beating us this week, and finishing off a strong december.

If the Giants have a chance, its only as a wild card in my eyes, bc we're not a great December team either and you guys have tie breakers on us.

I'm hoping Dallas does what Dallas does in December, and hopefully the Giants can win enough to squeak into the playoffs.

The Eagles are simply a better version of the Giants. Our teams are built the same almost, but the Eagles are just a better version. The only other team that scares me more than the Eagles are the Saints. I think that highly of the Eagles.

Its a shame you guys are banged up this year. A healthy Eagles team in my eyes is the most talented team in the league.

We have a chance in this game, but I think its only bc division games are always close regardless of talent. But I do think the Eagles are the better team.

No doubt it'll be close, as usual. I think it'll come down to which team capitalizes best on opportunities.


I think DeSean will have a great game if he is 100%, he'll be eager to prove himself and make up for the week he lost... Just a feeling I have...

Go_Eagles77
12-07-2009, 01:31 PM
So how many times did you jizz in your pants watching Weaver yesterday EATW? Haha.

Sniper
12-07-2009, 03:36 PM
It's Sheldon Brown's world and we're just living in it.

eaglesalltheway
12-07-2009, 03:42 PM
So how many times did you jizz in your pants watching Weaver yesterday EATW? Haha.

Technically once, because once it started it never stopped. I lost a lot of weight yesterday...

FreshBoy!
12-08-2009, 07:00 PM
What are you guys looking for in this game against the Giants? Do you guys feel pretty confident?

superman8456
12-09-2009, 08:39 PM
I was on rotoworld and I saw a couple contracts that just seem ridiculous to me.

Stacy Andrews
2/28/2009: Signed a six-year, $38.9 million contract. The incentive-laden deal contains $8.72 million guaranteed. 2009: $1.62 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2010: $2.956 million (+ $4.1 million roster bonus), 2011: $4.75 million, 2012: $5.574 million, 2013: $7 million, 2014: $6.75 million, 2015: Free Agent

I dont know a whole lot about player salaries, but from the looks of it he is our 2nd highest paid offensive lineman. I'm not very confident about that.

Will Witherspoon is making 5M a year with Stewart Bradley, Chris Gocong, Omar Gaither, and Akeem Jordan all looking to make bank soon.

camp_eagles
12-09-2009, 09:47 PM
well I really dont think all those LBs are back next year assuming it is a capped year. I think Gaither, and Gocong/Jordan (most likely Gocong) are gone next year with our projected Lbs from will to sam Jordan-Witherspoon-Bradley. but if it is an uncapped year i know gaither will be a RFA im not sure when Gocongs deal is up but he could be traded, but i would prefer him moving to DE and cuting either Juqua or Bryan Smith.

Thumper
12-10-2009, 08:44 PM
I think the Eagles are becoming a more balanced team than people realize, lately the Eagles have really pulled out all the stops in the run game. In the past 3 games the Eagles have 383 yards and 3 touchdowns and things are only going to get better. Soon enough the Eagles will have the rotation of LeSean McCoy, Leonard Weaver, Brian Westbrook, Eldra Buckley and Mike Vick rushing.

Sniper
12-11-2009, 05:20 PM
Teh Deseanz is back this week, and Maclin looks good, too.

BamaFalcon59
12-11-2009, 06:05 PM
Michael Vick and Macho Harris balled out against the Falcons.

Irony haha.

Todd Bertuzzi
12-13-2009, 10:50 PM
Great win. Desean Jackson is sexy and Trent Cole is a ******.

brat316
12-13-2009, 11:00 PM
WOW...defense much Eagles, 500+ yards by the giants. If not for the ST plays, eagles might have lost this. Though the defense did force key turn overs.

Eli turning into Brett Favre, with those slippery sack avoiding passes.

eaglesalltheway
12-14-2009, 12:18 AM
Good win tonight in some respects, but as I've said earlier in the season, tackling is very inconsistent. Tonight, it was consistently poor. The offense looked great, and we established a drive that ate up the clock!. DeSean beasted even more than I expected, was obviously very impressed. But that drive is the single most important thing from this game, and showed me that the O is capable of establishing one of those drives.

Thumper
12-14-2009, 12:24 AM
lol at Matt Mosley:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast

here are some quotes:
He hit the sideline and it was all over for a 72-yard touchdown. He now has the Eagles record for most punt returns for a touchdown with three. It was another brilliant play for one of the most dangerous players in the game. And it gives the Eagles a 24-10 lead late in the first half.

Tom Coughlin knows he can't settle for field goals against Andy Reid's magical, mystical Wildcat machine. And that's why he elected to go for it on fourth-and-goal from the Eagles' 1-yard line. The Giants desperately need a defensive stand. A three-and-out would be huge, but it's hard to imagine as long as DeSean Jackson's on the field.

But never mind because DeSean Jackson just scored on a 61-yard touchdown pass. It's amazing how much time Donovan McNabb has in the pocket. He could've taken another two or three second back there but he didn't need it. Jackson had broken free from safety Aaron Ross, who is playing out of position.

With his remarkable performance tonight, Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson has tied Devin Hester and Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch (1951) for the most touchdowns of 50 yards or more in a season with eight. Before he made that last catch, Jackson had averaged 44.8 yards on five touches. He may be the most electrifying offensive player in the league right now.

The New York Giants learned a painful lesson Sunday night in the Meadowlands. You should never get involved in a shootout against a team that features DeSean Jackson.

And a few weeks back he said that DeSean was so dangerous that the opposing team should just stick a safety at the 1 yard line to stop him from getting in.

I love the hype lol.

Sniper
12-14-2009, 04:32 AM
I missed the game because I was working and had to follow it on my phone. I simply just giggle at this point whenever I see "DeSean Jackson 60-yard pass from Donovan McNabb" get typed in. Dude is ridiculous. Sorry, DeSean. I was way wrong about you. Your OC at Cal had to be the biggest ******* moron ever.

camp_eagles
12-14-2009, 10:02 AM
What a Game!!! The O came out huge I think they only had one 3 and out the whole game. The D was another story if it wasnt for few lucky plays (Eli's first fumble, Manningham's first time out of bounds in the endzone) we could have easily lost. Also what happened to Q he played the worst ive ever seen him play, and Juqua is terrible he generated not pressure even after going against Beatty for most of the game.

bigbluedefense
12-14-2009, 10:12 AM
That was one hell of a game.

There is a possibility we meet again. If the Giants can squeak into the playoffs, and the Eagles get the 3 seed, we'll meet in the 1st round.

The question now is, who would you rather meet in the playoffs? Dallas or the Giants?

Bc 1 of the 2 will make the 6 seed. Which means you guys will be either us or the Cowboys in the 1st round of the playoffs. Who do you think the Eagles want to face if they had a choice?

Go_Eagles77
12-14-2009, 10:34 AM
After last night I really hope the giants don't make the playoffs. They scare me much more than the cowboys right now and it would be very hard to beat you guys 3 times in 1 season.

Todd Bertuzzi
12-14-2009, 04:31 PM
Leonard Weaver was a great pickup. I really hope Maclin is ok so that pos Reggie Brown never sees the field again. What's going on with Curtis?

bigbluedefense
12-14-2009, 04:57 PM
Hixon's TD shouldve never happened. #26 (I believe it was Sean Jones) was absolutely horrible on that play.

Thats the kind of play that costs you your starting position. He was brutal on that play.

Todd Bertuzzi
12-14-2009, 05:01 PM
Yeah it was on Brown and Trotter(?) for the initial tackle, but Jones did a terrible job of backing them up which led to Hixon breaking it for the TD. Our tackling was just terrible yesterday.

superman8456
12-14-2009, 05:15 PM
I thought this was Reggie Browns best game of the season. McNabb missed out on a possible long TD pass to him by overthrowing him by a couple of steps.

Poor night for Jason Avant and LeSean McCoy.

Season is finally starting to heat up.

eaglesalltheway
12-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Leonard Weaver was a great pickup. I really hope Maclin is ok so that pos Reggie Brown never sees the field again. What's going on with Curtis?

Leonard Weaver for ************* pro bowl!

Go_Eagles77
12-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Leonard Weaver for ************* pro bowl!
He is easily the front runner IMO.

Thumper
12-15-2009, 04:12 PM
Eagles pro-bowl standings according to Brian Seltzer

Asante Samuel is the #1 vote getter in the NFC
Donovan McNabb is 5th behind Brees, Favre, Rodgers and Warner
Leonard Weaver is second behind Naufahu Tahi of the Vikings
David Akers is in 2nd
Sheldon Brown, Trent Cole and Brent Celek aren't in the top 5, the most underrated players at their positions IMO because they have serious cases for being top 3 in the league at their spots.

Go_Eagles77
12-15-2009, 05:12 PM
That's just fans right? I would hope a couple guys can get in with the help of players/coaches.

Thumper
12-15-2009, 06:39 PM
Oh and DeSean Jackson is second in the NFC

brat316
12-15-2009, 07:51 PM
Oh and DeSean Jackson is second in the NFC

Hmmm sounds right. Should be right behind Larry. If Steve Smith was doing better he probably would be third. Actually I'm surprised he is second what about Colston?

Though Desean's added return skills probably gives him a boost up.


NFC WR who will probaby make the pro bowl
Larry - lock
Desean - lock
Miles -
Colston
Steve Smith(NYG) - lock
Maybe Roddy White or Rice

eaglesalltheway
12-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Eagles pro-bowl standings according to Brian Seltzer

Asante Samuel is the #1 vote getter in the NFC
Donovan McNabb is 5th behind Brees, Favre, Rodgers and Warner
Leonard Weaver is second behind Naufahu Tahi of the Vikings
David Akers is in 2nd
Sheldon Brown, Trent Cole and Brent Celek aren't in the top 5, the most underrated players at their positions IMO because they have serious cases for being top 3 in the league at their spots.

That's a shame about Brown, Cole, Celek, and Weaver. In some cases they are behind lesser deserving players, ESPECIALLY Weaver. Like was said before, I hope the players and coaches can help get it straightened out.

camp_eagles
12-16-2009, 12:44 PM
That's a shame about Brown, Cole, Celek, and Weaver. In some cases they are behind lesser deserving players, ESPECIALLY Weaver. Like was said before, I hope the players and coaches can help get it straightened out.

Ive never even seen Minnesota use a FB outside of the goal line AP does alot of single back. Keeping in mind I dont watch alot of Minnesota football

eaglesalltheway
12-16-2009, 01:47 PM
Ive never even seen Minnesota use a FB outside of the goal line AP does alot of single back. Keeping in mind I dont watch alot of Minnesota football

Well Tahi is certainly not as good as Weaver, and doesn't see nearly as much playing time. He is a good FB, a good blocker and a decent receiver as well, but there is no reason for him to be leading the NFC in vote getting for Fullbacks. There are other FBs I'd have ahead of him.

Sniper
12-16-2009, 01:49 PM
Steve Smith(NYG) - lock


Why the **** would Steve Smith of the Giants be a lock?

brat316
12-16-2009, 02:06 PM
Why the **** would Steve Smith of the Giants be a lock?

cause he is having a pretty good ******* year..and the NY fans massive vote will go towards him getting in, sure its only a fraction of the fan vote but a pretty big fraction.

Sniper
12-16-2009, 02:07 PM
cause he is having a pretty good ******* year..and the NY fans massive vote will go towards him getting in, sure its only a fraction of the fan vote but a pretty big fraction.

He's FAR from a lock. He's not an exciting player like others. He's very good, but he's not as flashy as locks tend to be.

49ersfan_87
12-16-2009, 02:11 PM
Should be a fun game this sunday. The 49ers have had trouble running the ball all year. I know Reid likes to sling the ball around a lot too and we have a pretty good run defense as well. I expect Smith and McNabb to air it out a lot this week.

Sniper
12-16-2009, 02:16 PM
I expect eight touchdowns and a gazillion yards for Vernon "I **** Bitches Up" Davis this week.

brat316
12-16-2009, 02:18 PM
I expect eight touchdowns and a gazillion yards for Vernon "I **** Bitches Up" Davis this week.

yeah Eagles for some reason can't cover TE for ****.

Go_Eagles77
12-16-2009, 02:36 PM
yeah Eagles for some reason can't cover TE for ****.
http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/gameday/240-sea-gocong-081226.jpg

Thumper
12-16-2009, 04:31 PM
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/89829/121409-jackson-punt-400.jpg

Sniper
12-17-2009, 11:24 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_14015037?source=rss

Now, they will have to stop Jackson, a player who averages 51.9 yards per score on his 15 career touchdowns (including the postseason).


http://eppsnet.com/images/omg-wtf.jpg

Sniper
12-17-2009, 11:52 PM
Fun fact...

2009 record when the Eagles throw 30+ passes- 3-4
2009 record when the Eagles throw 29- passes- 6-0.

A trend. I sense one.

brat316
12-17-2009, 11:55 PM
YES to running, I hope when the draft comes around they draft Toby.

cunningham06
12-18-2009, 02:48 AM
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/89829/121409-jackson-punt-400.jpg

I love this picture, looks like Desean's leading a Giants conga line.

brat316
12-18-2009, 05:05 AM
are guys in the back celebrating and high fiving.

Thumper
12-18-2009, 12:37 PM
Well DeSean is a big play threat, we all know this and currently he is sitting on 10 touchdowns of 50 or more yards and he hasn't even turned 24 yet. Right now he has more 50 yard touchdowns than 16 of 25 hall of fame receivers and the only players to ever score more 50+ yard touchdowns before turning 24 are Gale Sayers (11) and Randy Moss (15). So he has until next December to pass them, who thinks he does it?

cunningham06
12-18-2009, 05:40 PM
Well DeSean is a big play threat, we all know this and currently he is sitting on 10 touchdowns of 50 or more yards and he hasn't even turned 24 yet. Right now he has more 50 yard touchdowns than 16 of 25 hall of fame receivers and the only players to ever score more 50+ yard touchdowns before turning 24 are Gale Sayers (11) and Randy Moss (15). So he has until next December to pass them, who thinks he does it?

I think he has a good chance to pass Sayers, but he would have to really kick it into beast mode to pass Moss.

Thumper
12-18-2009, 05:45 PM
He's got until next December to pass Moss, I think he does it.

cunningham06
12-19-2009, 10:10 AM
I didn't realize he has almost another full year before he turns 24, in that case I'd say he's got an excellent shot.

eaglesalltheway
12-19-2009, 11:21 AM
Fun fact...

2009 record when the Eagles throw 30+ passes- 3-4
2009 record when the Eagles throw 29- passes- 6-0.

A trend. I sense one.
I'm lovin it. Keep feeding WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
YES to running, I hope when the draft comes around they draft Toby. I'd love it, depending on the situation.

I love this picture, looks like Desean's leading a Giants conga line. I was gonna go with parade, but this will do much better.

eaglesalltheway
12-19-2009, 11:22 AM
Well DeSean is a big play threat, we all know this and currently he is sitting on 10 touchdowns of 50 or more yards and he hasn't even turned 24 yet. Right now he has more 50 yard touchdowns than 16 of 25 hall of fame receivers and the only players to ever score more 50+ yard touchdowns before turning 24 are Gale Sayers (11) and Randy Moss (15). So he has until next December to pass them, who thinks he does it?

I predict he ties him. If he gets two more this season, I say he beats him.

bigbluedefense
12-19-2009, 12:21 PM
Well DeSean is a big play threat, we all know this and currently he is sitting on 10 touchdowns of 50 or more yards and he hasn't even turned 24 yet. Right now he has more 50 yard touchdowns than 16 of 25 hall of fame receivers and the only players to ever score more 50+ yard touchdowns before turning 24 are Gale Sayers (11) and Randy Moss (15). So he has until next December to pass them, who thinks he does it?


thats incredible. i didn't realize how significant that is till i read this post. unbelievable.

what a beast.

Thumper
12-21-2009, 01:29 PM
If the Eagles beat the Broncos and Cowboys and the Vikings lose just one of their games against the Bears and Giants, the Eagles will have the first round bye.

D-Unit
12-21-2009, 02:51 PM
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/89829/121409-jackson-punt-400.jpg
That is HILARIOUS.