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bsaza2358
08-13-2007, 02:59 PM
Nasty Nate should get a snoot-ful of carries and touches playing the Westbrook role for the Eagles in the second half.

camp_eagles
08-14-2007, 09:56 AM
can someone please tell me if anyone performed half decent. And did Gocong play most of the game because his stat line was just one tackle?

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 10:01 AM
I felt like the DLine played pretty well with decent pressure. Bunkley looked very solid. I liked Celek's performance. Not a very good turnout by the OLine or RB's. They were dominated by Baltimore. I feel like the team still has to gel.

Black Majic
08-14-2007, 11:40 AM
I felt like the o-line was like swiss cheese. No push in the run game and poor protection in the passing game. I was more impressed with the ravens D than the eagles but i like the way Barksdale played. bunkley made a play or two and i was glad howard got his hand on a ball. Sav boomed three punts. He only had one bad one which i think he was trying to pouch. He also got laided out, cheap shot or not. Blind side blocks are vicious. All and all its just the first preseason game. Too bad about moats but it could be a blessing. i dont think he was making the team this year. it maybe gives him a shot next year. Ike Reese didnt do a bad job in the booth.

Sniper
08-14-2007, 01:22 PM
Kolb looked pretty good. Didn't catch the whole game but Celek obviously looked good, as well as Nick Graham. Bloom looked solid.

Eaglez.Fan
08-14-2007, 08:59 PM
Best website ever! (http://romosucks.com/)

jonbrodo17
08-15-2007, 07:24 AM
yo guys i am back, i dont think the preseason game was a big deal at all, when i look at preseason games, i look at the injuries even though moats is done its not a huge deal.

jonbrodo17
08-15-2007, 09:32 PM
u never know wat to make of this but PFT says andrew's injury maybe put him out for the year

eaglesalltheway
08-16-2007, 07:17 AM
That would be a killer, lets hope he is able to get back as soon as possilbe and as healthy as possible.

Sniper
08-16-2007, 07:22 AM
u never know wat to make of this but PFT says andrew's injury maybe put him out for the year

Oh God don't tell me that.

bsaza2358
08-16-2007, 08:38 AM
PFT is notoriously terrible about its reporting. They are a garbage site that spreads rumors with little backing. Comcast's website is not that reputable. The Eagles website just said yesterday that Andrews was improving, but there was no timetable on him. If he needed ankle surgery, he's far enough post injury for them to have done it already. I am understandably worried about SA, but I'm not going to believe PFT for a second.

Black Majic
08-16-2007, 09:51 AM
The eagles website says he can possibly play the first game

bsaza2358
08-16-2007, 10:15 AM
Exactly. I'm not worried about it. Don't love that he's injured, but PFT = trash.

Black Majic
08-17-2007, 09:59 AM
Off topic but this is huge: (Fox sports) First-hand experience: Ironically, the day I showed up the Vikings had the Nike people arrive as well to fit their players with perhaps the coolest thing I've seen on the road to date. They're called Nike Sport Vision contacts and they are the sickest blood-red contacts you'll ever see. They look like they're straight out of a slasher flick and head trainer Eric Sugarman got the Nike people to come and put his guys in these things, which pretty much eliminate all glare.

Player after player walked past looking like a murderous soul took over their minds. Sick!

Then, Sugarman put me in a pair as well to get a first-hand look at the advantages it provides his players. First off, they looked awesome. Blood-red eyes! Heck, I want to start wearing them out to the clubs because they just look so incredibly freaky.

The moment I went outside the advantage smacked me hard. I was able to see much sharper for much greater distances and these things weren't even prescription. Even from the sideline of the practice field I could see the ball crystal clear. What they do is get the ball to really pop out. In addition, everything in the background goes even deeper into the background. Great, great concept. Smart move by Sugarman and Childress.

Uh Andy if Brad chan do it you can do it. WHo has the worst hands on the team. give them to the whole defense

bsaza2358
08-17-2007, 10:11 AM
The Eagles are never against spending legit money on products that can help their team. They already use the microchip pill (cost of $300 per player per day) to monitor heat stroke symptoms for their larger players during TC. If this product helps, I'm sure they know about it and will put it to use.

Black Majic
08-17-2007, 03:36 PM
wow i forgot about that incident. Great point

Eaglez.Fan
08-18-2007, 08:53 AM
Solid game. The Qb's had some nice numbers. McNabb was said to be very accurate. That's definatley incouraging. Anyone else have any info on the game?

Eaglez.Fan
08-18-2007, 10:44 AM
McNabb shines in return from knee surgery vs. Panthers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2979747&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

Go_Eagles77
08-18-2007, 12:40 PM
I know its still early but could Brent Celek be our future starter at TE?

brat316
08-18-2007, 01:32 PM
he seemed like a very good number 2 durning the last 2 games

eaglesalltheway
08-19-2007, 09:22 AM
I know its still early but could Brent Celek be our future starter at TE?

Down the line I think he could be a future starting TE for the Eagles. I don't think it would be best to throw him in at starting TE this season, even if LJ would be injured. It would be best to have Schoebel as the starting TE and keep that pressure off of Celek his rookie season, even though it doesn't seem like it would bother him that much anyway. I think if the Eagles can't get a deal signed with LJ, Celek could be our starting TE next season and for years to come. But this all could be trivial, it was just two preseason games, but they were against two very good defenses, and in one of those was working without the best options around him. What I like about him is his hands and his quickness. He is by no means fast, but he does have great quickness and seems as though he is an intelligent football player. AR also said he has a very strong core, which will make him hard to tackle, and we have seen that over the last two games.

jonbrodo17
08-19-2007, 05:19 PM
if Celek keeps progressing and playing great they may just let LJ walk and Celek could start but this is just speculation

bsaza2358
08-20-2007, 12:14 PM
The Eagles draft players specifically as potential replacements for potential FA's down the line. If Celek proves himself, he'll be a less costly and solid replacement for LJ. If the guy can block and catch with few errors as a starting TE, I'm fine with that.

eaglesalltheway
08-21-2007, 06:11 AM
I'm pretty sure we all would be.

bsaza2358
08-21-2007, 08:47 AM
LJ is a very good player, but he never became the Tony Gonzalez/Antonio Gates that I think we all expected. There are 10-12 other TE's at least who can do just as good a job as he does. His blocking is just average, so I think for less cost, Celek can probably do the job.

Black Majic
08-21-2007, 09:29 AM
Eagles cut J. Trotter. Wow shock factor hits 100. Rotoworld.com and eagles website. A dallas fan came over to me and said our season is done. I just looked at him and shook my head. its not over but i thought we wanted to go big LB wise this year

jonbrodo17
08-21-2007, 09:33 AM
I am very surprised but the Eagles always have a plan up their sleeve, I think possible reasons for the cut is Gaither outplayed him, they save money by cutting him or he did something bad (steroids maybe?) and it could come out soon. this is all total speculation of why he got cut.

Eaglez.Fan
08-21-2007, 09:54 AM
wow. I guess they really are high on Gaither. It's always good when you go young but the eagles have a very good chance of contending this year. Very interesting move though. There is a press conferance at the eagles home page at 1:30 about this.

bsaza2358
08-21-2007, 10:00 AM
In the interest of keeping things in order, I have created a Jeremiah Trotter thread to continue this discussion. Please post further comments in this thread.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=569772#post569772

RyanLeaf#1
08-21-2007, 01:20 PM
Damn I was just looking at the Eagles roster I had no clue Nate llaoa is on the team. He was awesome with Hawaii. Does he have any shot of making the team?

bsaza2358
08-21-2007, 01:45 PM
I think with Moats' injury, Ilaoa has a chance to make the team or on the practice squad. There is a chance they could "IR" his to keep his rights for another season and prevent him from being claimed on waivers. He was signed to a 3-year deal.

brat316
08-21-2007, 01:51 PM
You mean 4 year deal

bsaza2358
08-21-2007, 02:23 PM
Yes, that is correct. Thank you.

Black Majic
08-23-2007, 10:02 AM
I hoping bloom can be as explosive as Devin Hester or a Ted Gin. i'm not seeing his cutting ability that i know he has. i keep seeing him run straight into guys. So far the kick return game is not explosive and it should be.

bsaza2358
08-23-2007, 10:05 AM
There is a new ST coach. Harbaugh is now the DB's coach on the defensive coaching staff. There are lots of new things that need to be done, and there are also new players. New returner, new wedge guys, etc. It's a growth process.

RyanLeaf#1
08-23-2007, 09:06 PM
LOL Andys son got arrested again.

Sniper
08-23-2007, 09:13 PM
LOL Andys son got arrested again.

Yeah, not the brightest kid. I don't think he's been sentenced for his first thing yet and then he goes out and does this. Must be hard to not be messed up and drive :rolleyes:

eaglesalltheway
08-24-2007, 07:11 AM
I hoping bloom can be as explosive as Devin Hester or a Ted Gin. i'm not seeing his cutting ability that i know he has. i keep seeing him run straight into guys. So far the kick return game is not explosive and it should be.

Bloom has made some returns where he makes a few guys miss, its just he hasn't done it every return.

jonbrodo17
08-25-2007, 09:08 AM
i hope andy doesn't have to take off more time because of his son

eaglesalltheway
08-25-2007, 10:13 AM
We all hope that isn't the case, and I find it unlikely he does it again.

Eaglez.Fan
08-26-2007, 07:12 PM
Pick for Trent Cole!

jonbrodo17
08-26-2007, 08:20 PM
i am watching the game, and i am one of Brian Dawkin's biggest fans but he looks slow and i really hate to say it but his range is nothing now. I hope he comes into himself during the season

cunningham06
08-26-2007, 09:25 PM
i am watching the game, and i am one of Brian Dawkin's biggest fans but he looks slow and i really hate to say it but his range is nothing now. I hope he comes into himself during the season

I saw that too on a comeback route. I'm sure hell turn it on soon, after all he did just come back from injury. If not, well thats why we drafted CJ Gaddis.

Hines
08-26-2007, 09:27 PM
what the hell is on the back of the qbs helmets..that sticker

Eaglez.Fan
08-27-2007, 07:46 AM
what the hell is on the back of the qbs helmets..that sticker

They are the only people that can have the electronic radio to the coaches.

brat316
08-27-2007, 12:03 PM
What is up with your Sig. why is it a picture of Linert but with Russian name, His he your NCAA 08 guy.

bsaza2358
08-27-2007, 12:34 PM
bhaa, I think it's a special draft thing that he's doing on the fantasy forum.

Black Majic
08-27-2007, 05:11 PM
Cuts: The Eagles released the following six players: kicker E.J. Cochrane, wide receiver Dereck Faulkner, tight end Kyle Hunt, wide receiver Jermaine Jamison, safety Chris Smith and guard Chris White.

Traded Kelly H for 2009 6th rounder from vikes

HEISMANHERSCHEL
08-28-2007, 04:26 AM
I know this is way off topic, but I have something I have to do...

and I hate the idea of apologizing to eagle lovers.

But I thought the drafting of Kolb was a terrible move on yall's part. I asked you what you thought about the pick, and yall defended the pick. I thought you were being defensive.

Kolb looked...freaking great the other night.

Once again, the eagles seem to have had a great draft. But it still irritates me. I am sick of the solid drafting your team does every year. So consider this as an "I'm sorry. I was wrong."

I will now dig into my huge plate of crow that I have to eat.

Eaglez.Fan
08-28-2007, 11:25 AM
You have guts my friend.

And yeah bzasa's right. About my sig.

bsaza2358
08-28-2007, 11:37 AM
I know this is way off topic, but I have something I have to do...

and I hate the idea of apologizing to eagle lovers.

But I thought the drafting of Kolb was a terrible move on yall's part. I asked you what you thought about the pick, and yall defended the pick. I thought you were being defensive.

Kolb looked...freaking great the other night.

Once again, the eagles seem to have had a great draft. But it still irritates me. I am sick of the solid drafting your team does every year. So consider this as an "I'm sorry. I was wrong."

I will now dig into my huge plate of crow that I have to eat.

Much appreciated. I think a lot of us on this board were thinking similar thoughts to yours at the time. I always say "let's see them on the field" before I really judge.

derza222
08-29-2007, 03:22 PM
Quick question. I saw somewhere that Juqua Thomas has been tough to keep off the field, but I couldn't find anything about him. I guess first of all is that true? And second of all is he a situational pass-rusher, will he develop into a good all-around defensive end, etc...

jonbrodo17
08-29-2007, 03:59 PM
what exactly is "tough to keep off the field"

supposebly he had a very good training camp and a friend of mine told me this wild rumor that they would cut Kearse and Thomas would start but we both that that it was not true and stupid

derza222
08-30-2007, 08:25 AM
what exactly is "tough to keep off the field"

supposebly he had a very good training camp and a friend of mine told me this wild rumor that they would cut Kearse and Thomas would start but we both that that it was not true and stupid

Tough to keep off the field as in you want to find ways to get him play time because he's just too good to stay on the bench. Anyways, thanks for the answer. Is he more of a rush specialist or an all-around end though?

bsaza2358
08-30-2007, 11:54 AM
Thomas is more of a rusher than a run stuffing DE, but he has enough size and technique to play the run. He's no Michael Strahan, Reggie White, or Bruce Smith, but he's good enough to be trusted in some situations.

derza222
08-30-2007, 06:00 PM
Thomas is more of a rusher than a run stuffing DE, but he has enough size and technique to play the run. He's no Michael Strahan, Reggie White, or Bruce Smith, but he's good enough to be trusted in some situations.

Cool thanks for the answer. So pretty much even if he's not an unbelievable run-stuffer he's not enough of a liability against the run that he's going to have to be taken off of the field in running situations or need to be simply a rushing specialist.

bsaza2358
08-31-2007, 09:33 AM
Thomas is a solid #3 DE. He excels in the pass rush, but he is competent as an all-around DE. It is possible that he has gotten better after studying tape and working on technique in the offseason.

eaglesalltheway
08-31-2007, 01:34 PM
Kolb did play well, and has played consistently well this whole preseason, and I think Thomas is a great DE #3 or #4 for the Eagles.

eaglesalltheway
08-31-2007, 01:34 PM
Another thing, Abiamiri has played well this preseason, he is looking promising, along with Stewart Bradley.

Sniper
08-31-2007, 01:48 PM
Another thing, Abiamiri has played well this preseason, he is looking promising, along with Stewart Bradley.

Abiamiri is probably the best run stuffing DE already on the team.

Black Majic
08-31-2007, 03:17 PM
EAGLES ACCIDENTALLY LEAK CUTS?

Multiple readers, and apparently some Philly media, discovered on Friday afternoon that the Philadelphia Eagles inadvertently posted their final roster cuts on the team's official site, apparently via a page that transmits data to wireless devices. The cuts are due to be made by 6:00 p.m. on Saturday.

Several readers have informed us that the players who appeared on the list, which has since been changed to this, were as follows:

RB Nate Ilaoa; FB Jason Davis; FB/LS Jeremy Cain; WR Jeremy Bloom; WR J.J. Outlaw; WR Michael Gasperson; WR Zac Collie; TE Lee Vickers; T Jonathan Palmer; C Jasper Harvey; G Jacob Hobbs; T Pat McCoy; DE Marques Murrell; DT Mauricio Lopez; DT Ian Scott; LB Akeem Jordan; LB Dedrick Roper; CB Dustin Fox; CB Nick Graham; S Marcus Paschal; S Erick Harris; and P Dirk Johnson.

We've separately learned that Bloom, a fifth-round draft pick who spent the 2006 season on IR, has indeed been cut (or at a minimum has been informed that he'll be cut).

In addition to the cuts, we have a feeling that someone there is gonna get fired. Profootball talk.com also on roto

The big news is Dirk and Bloom

brat316
08-31-2007, 04:26 PM
Damn i was hoping Nate would be good, and stay. Dirk not suprised he did get beat out at the job, badly. Bloom, damn i thought he would be good, Mahe never really liked him.

jonbrodo17
08-31-2007, 10:35 PM
I heard that they are going to try and get Nate on the practice squad

Sniper
08-31-2007, 10:41 PM
RB Nate Ilaoa WR Jeremy Bloom;DT Ian Scott


The big news is Dirk and Bloom

Surprising. Ian Scott makes no sense. How will we carry 4,091 D-linemen this year? ;) And who's our returner?

Go_Eagles77
08-31-2007, 10:47 PM
I was really hoping Bloom was gonna be a very good return man for us. Also surprised Scott didn't make it.

Caddy
09-01-2007, 09:03 AM
Australian's taking over the NFL one punter at a time :)

Sniper
09-01-2007, 09:31 AM
Australian's taking over the NFL one punter at a time :)

Haha he's HUGE!

jonbrodo17
09-02-2007, 06:44 AM
those cuts aren't actually dead on, Ian Scott made the team...

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=13812

brat316
09-02-2007, 10:10 AM
i wonder how good of a S Marcus Paschal is, he played with Considine in college

B-Dawk
09-02-2007, 10:12 AM
I am surprised by the gaddis cut

Go_Eagles77
09-02-2007, 12:17 PM
Eagles signed Kimo Von Oelhoffen...

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=13829

I guess its an okay signing, not crazy about it by any means.

brat316
09-02-2007, 06:11 PM
what is he going to play for us, DE or DT, in 3-4 he was DE. He would be pretty good against the run.

jonbrodo17
09-03-2007, 06:29 AM
I think they said he's gonna play DT, and they're gonna release Ian Scott

Sniper
09-03-2007, 06:43 AM
I think they said he's gonna play DT, and they're gonna release Ian Scott

Wasn't Scott supposed to be a good run defender? I know Oelhoffen isn't bad, but Scott was supposed to be good. We need all the run stuffers we can get. Patterson can't stop jack on the ground.

jonbrodo17
09-03-2007, 04:42 PM
I think they liked Scott, but he was just hurt and they saw Van Olhoffen and thought he was better value

brat316
09-03-2007, 05:28 PM
We should play him as DE every now and then, but it wouldn't really work when your playing 4-3

eaglesalltheway
09-04-2007, 07:02 AM
Scott is being put on some unable to perform list, not PUP, but something like that. He will not be available for the first six weeks.

Black Majic
09-04-2007, 11:03 AM
Scott is supposed to be cut after those six weeks. I was suprised and confused by the eagles this weekend. nate did not make the practive squad. I was at the Jets-eagles game and he looked horrible except for the one screen pass which reno mahe would have scored on. Overall i rate the labor day weekend and F+. Kimo was good but ge's 35 or 36. Jr reed can play but im still worried about that old injury. the packers are looking a bit dangerous. feels like a trap game. they had the best pass defense last year if you didnt know

eaglesalltheway
09-05-2007, 06:08 AM
An F+ is a bit low if you ask me, I'd give it a D+ or even C-. JR is healthy now, and that means we have a return game again.

bsaza2358
09-05-2007, 09:12 AM
I don't think Ian Scott is going to help anything. He's on PUP because they can't cut him when he's injured, or they have to do an injury settlement. Might as well wait and cut him after PUP and recoup the roster spot.

Ialoa was obviously a decent 7th round pick that just didn't work out. I'd rather stick with Hunt and Buck with Westbrook for the time being. No worries on my end in that sense.

bsaza2358
09-05-2007, 09:14 AM
Kind of surprised that the Eagles signed Kimo. He has some skill left, but I'm not sure how much he'll bring to the table. Looks a bit like a DE/LB/DT tweener. If he can be productive for 25-30 snaps a game, I really won't argue.

jonbrodo17
09-05-2007, 05:20 PM
i must say, Nate Ilao is the most talked about 7th round draft pick ive ever seen

bsaza2358
09-05-2007, 05:40 PM
Most talked about 7th round pick of the Eagles in recent memory. That's for sure.

brat316
09-05-2007, 07:08 PM
yeah, hopefully he gets on the PS, and improves

eaglesalltheway
09-06-2007, 07:06 AM
I would love to have him on the practice squad, but I think I remember seeing the Eagles had him on their practice squad already. One more thing to add, Kimo von Oelhoeffen could never play LB, especially in this defensive scheme. He is a DT/DE tweener, but not a LB for sure.

Black Majic
09-06-2007, 09:26 AM
The practive squad was set: DT Jeremy Clark, FB Jason Davis, LB Akeem Jordan, WR Michael Gasperson, DE Marques Murrell, S Marcus Paschal, WR Bill Sampy, TE Lee Vickers - Signed to the practice squad. If u think about it. Nate's number arent hard to put up at hawii since they pass 90% of the time. Look how many passes Colt throws game.

bsaza2358
09-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Wow. I am really surprised the CJ Gaddis didn't make the practice squad. The Eagles must be either really displeased with Gaddis as a prospect, or they really like what JR Reed and Mikell can do...

brat316
09-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Nah they are waiting for next year to draft, the U safety Phillips

bsaza2358
09-06-2007, 11:42 AM
I'm not going to sit here and hold out hope that the Eagles will get any particular player in any draft. They haven't really done the expected most of the time. I'm very worried about safety depth and getting an heir apparent to Dawkins. If Dawkins gets hurt, there's a huge leadership void on the field now that Trotter is gone. That's a pretty big deal to me.

Sniper
09-06-2007, 01:05 PM
Nah they are waiting for next year to draft, the U safety Phillips

We're gonna have to trade up from 32 to 5-10 ;) Just kidding

bsaza2358
09-06-2007, 01:22 PM
It is very possible that the Eagles will have to trade up to get a player of interest. In all reality, I think the team will be drafting OT in the first round of this year's draft. Thomas and Runyan are aging, and with only Justice as a possible replacement, Andy Reid will absolutely be looking to get young talent in there. If they can find a rookie OT that can step in and start, they will go get him. This is especially true if the team expects to start Kolb in the near future.

Sniper
09-06-2007, 01:35 PM
It is very possible that the Eagles will have to trade up to get a player of interest. In all reality, I think the team will be drafting OT in the first round of this year's draft. Thomas and Runyan are aging, and with only Justice as a possible replacement, Andy Reid will absolutely be looking to get young talent in there. If they can find a rookie OT that can step in and start, they will go get him. This is especially true if the team expects to start Kolb in the near future.

If the value is there, they could always grab a guard and bounce Andrews outside to tackle. Andrews is capable of doing both. Do you feel comfortable with Justice protecting Kolb/McNabb's blind side?

bsaza2358
09-06-2007, 01:39 PM
It is possible that Andrews could move outside, but why move the most dominant OG in the game when you don't have to? The guy is just amazing overall.

As for Justice, I'm concerned that he hasn't beaten out Runyan/Thomas for a starting spot yet, but I trust Castillo to help him develop. If nothing else, Reid and the scouting staff always have a top notch OLine in place to protect the QB. I'll trust their track record.

Sniper
09-06-2007, 01:43 PM
It is possible that Andrews could move outside, but why move the most dominant OG in the game when you don't have to? The guy is just amazing overall.

As for Justice, I'm concerned that he hasn't beaten out Runyan/Thomas for a starting spot yet, but I trust Castillo to help him develop. If nothing else, Reid and the scouting staff always have a top notch OLine in place to protect the QB. I'll trust their track record.

Runyan and Thomas aren't exactly scrubs. I like the fact that he gets to study and learn from the two.

And about Andrews, I get your point, just mentioning that in a pinch you can bounce him outside

bsaza2358
09-06-2007, 01:57 PM
I am with you on Andrews. I would prefer to keep him as a dominant RG than potentially waste him at RT. That's all I'm really saying.

bsaza2358
09-06-2007, 02:01 PM
I am fine with the current OT arrangement, with Thomas and Runyan starting. Justice was slightly raw out of college, but the Eagles have been willing to start rookies and young players and cut veterans if they think it is prudent. The fact that they kept both OT's this offseason is quite telling of Justice's progress and the cost/benefit of Thomas and Runyan to the Eagles offensive system.

eaglesalltheway
09-07-2007, 07:00 AM
I agree on Andrews, keep him at RG, but Herremans could play RT with Justice as LT, and then either of the two young Gaurds to play LG.

B-Dawk
09-09-2007, 08:56 AM
well as it looks now this draft is pretty deep at OT, so the chances of getting a good tackle would be better if thats how it would work out.

Eaglez.Fan
09-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Even though an OT would be a decent pick, I don't see the eagles going in that direction next year. Depending on Considine and Dawkins' play this year we could go safety. I don't reallu know much about this years safety class but it doesn't look that bad. I agree with bzasa there is a good chance we trade up next year for an impact player, wiether it be in Philips at S or an OT.

What about moving Herremans out to RT.

So in the future it'd be:

Justice - Jean-Gilles - Jackson - Andrews - Herremans

That's 1000 pounds in the middle right there :)

eaglesalltheway
09-09-2007, 09:54 AM
Even though an OT would be a decent pick, I don't see the eagles going in that direction next year. Depending on Considine and Dawkins' play this year we could go safety. I don't reallu know much about this years safety class but it doesn't look that bad. I agree with bzasa there is a good chance we trade up next year for an impact player, wiether it be in Philips at S or an OT.

What about moving Herremans out to RT.

So in the future it'd be:

Justice - Jean-Gilles - Jackson - Andrews - Herremans

That's 1000 pounds in the middle right there :)

That is axactly how I see it panning out, but AR is high on Scott Young for some reason, I haven't seen it though, but either way that is a very good, and very large O-line. I also see safety as the biggest need in the upcoming draft. I have plenty of confidence in Considine, and he could play either Safety position, but if he isn't a good enough player, we will need to go safety to fill at least one safety spot. We will need either a FS or SS early in the draft, because Dawkins will retire eventually, and it is just a matter of which position we will need, whether Considine moves back to FS or stays at SS. I see it going either way right now, but I still think Considine is best suited to play FS.

Sniper
09-09-2007, 04:06 PM
Sweet game today........NOT! Excellent coaching today too :rolleyes:

eaglesalltheway
09-10-2007, 06:56 AM
If only we had a punt returner who had a brain...

Sniper
09-10-2007, 07:21 AM
If only we had a punt returner who had a brain...

Yeah that'd be nice. But when you force and recover a fumble in the other team's territory, two draws and a deep bomb out of bounds isn't the best play-calling either

bsaza2358
09-10-2007, 08:27 AM
I will say that the defense played spectacularly, the offense was borderline acceptable, and the special teams gets a 0 out of 100. The offense did enough to win, the defense did excellently, and 2 muffed punts cost the team the game. I think McNabb is playing at about 70% right now, and he looked tentative, which is no good. If he were more confident, the Eagles probably would have scored more points by attacking through the air. Still, they should have won that game 13 to 6.

brat316
09-10-2007, 11:12 AM
I wonder who we will sign for returns, Bethal, Mahe, trade for someone

Sniper
09-10-2007, 11:24 AM
I will say that the defense played spectacularly, the offense was borderline acceptable, and the special teams gets a 0 out of 100. The offense did enough to win, the defense did excellently, and 2 muffed punts cost the team the game. I think McNabb is playing at about 70% right now, and he looked tentative, which is no good. If he were more confident, the Eagles probably would have scored more points by attacking through the air. Still, they should have won that game 13 to 6.

The pick was brutal. There was someone (Curtis?) wide open and McNabb fired it right to Barnett. The D was great I thought.

bsaza2358
09-10-2007, 11:25 AM
I doubt that the Eagles trade for anyone, but I would imagine they'll sign someone off waivers or bring people in. Mahe wasn't a god at PR's, but he didn't fumble. I'd rather have him out there than anyone else.

Go_Eagles77
09-10-2007, 01:39 PM
JR Reed didn't look too bad at KR, but jeeze that muffed punt hurts

RyanLeaf#1
09-10-2007, 01:49 PM
JR Reed didn't look too bad at KR, but jeeze that muffed punt hurts

Thats because on KRs there is noone near you, but your own teammates.

RyanLeaf#1
09-10-2007, 01:49 PM
The pick was brutal. There was someone (Curtis?) wide open and McNabb fired it right to Barnett. The D was great I thought.

Still think 11 wins Sniper?

bsaza2358
09-10-2007, 02:01 PM
The Eagles are still capable of 10-11 wins if the defense and running game are as effective week to week. Disappointing start, but they should be kicking butt next week.

Sniper
09-10-2007, 02:39 PM
Still think 11 wins Sniper?

Yep. 11 wins means 5 losses, so that's one of them.

bsaza2358
09-10-2007, 03:07 PM
I think the Eagles will split with the Cowboys and lose @ New England. Other than that, I think they have a shot against the rest of their schedule. I'm not gung ho about 11 wins, but it is plausible if the offense can execute.

RyanLeaf#1
09-10-2007, 03:13 PM
Yep. 11 wins means 5 losses, so that's one of them.

HAHA you are nuts. They couldnt move the ball on the Packers defense.

bsaza2358
09-10-2007, 03:14 PM
Ryan, want to do an over/under wins bet? Name your terms.

Sniper
09-10-2007, 03:22 PM
HAHA you are nuts. They couldnt move the ball on the Packers defense.

It's a good thing it wasn't McNabb's first game back or anything.

jonbrodo17
09-10-2007, 06:37 PM
i had them at 11 but know i am looking at 10, or 9

brat316
09-10-2007, 06:51 PM
playoffs yes or no

eaglesalltheway
09-10-2007, 09:55 PM
Yes on playoffs and 11 or 12 wins, yes twelve. Pats and Saints worry me the most.

cunningham06
09-10-2007, 10:44 PM
HAHA you are nuts. They couldnt move the ball on the Packers defense.

Look at the Packers personnel on defense, they are a lot better than you think. Their front 7 are very very good, it's just the safety position they really need to improve on.

eaglesalltheway
09-11-2007, 01:39 PM
Look at the Packers personnel on defense, they are a lot better than you think. Their front 7 are very very good, it's just the safety position they really need to improve on.

That is their only weakness on defense. They have good and very good LBs and the great D-line that is deep.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 12:07 PM
I really like this Gaither kid. He's a good player. And like Bsaza said, with the increased bulk up front, it was a good transition personnell wise starting Gaither at MIKE.

And a 5th round pick too. Boy, Reid knows how to find em.

RyanLeaf#1
09-12-2007, 12:28 PM
Look at the Packers personnel on defense, they are a lot better than you think. Their front 7 are very very good, it's just the safety position they really need to improve on.

So if you think the Packers personnel is good and they beat the Eagles. What is your prediction for this week?

bsaza2358
09-12-2007, 12:39 PM
The Redskins have very good talent at safety, but they are more suspect at CB. Lots of depth, but not a ton of proven talent. Their LB's are very fast and flow to the ball well. Their weakness is DT depth and youth/aggression with their safeties. They will need to pick their spots against the Redskins D, protect McNabb, and go from there. There should be some chances on the deep ball after establishing short passing and the run game.

Black Majic
09-12-2007, 03:03 PM
I told everyone i was worried about this game no one believed me. Al harris and woodson are shut down corners and their d was one of top in the league. i always stay away from the eagles the first game. their never really prepared but i expect them to come out and walk all over the redskins.

eaglesalltheway
09-12-2007, 03:42 PM
What is your prediction for this week?

Eagles win big.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Don't sleep on the Redskins. I see a low scoring game. Both offenses should struggle a bit. You have the advantage of catching overpursuing young safeties in PA however, and that could very well be the difference of the game.

But I wouldn't expect a walk in the park. Division games never are.

bsaza2358
09-12-2007, 04:18 PM
Predicting the game, I think the Eagles will be able to get turnovers out of Campbell, and the offense will be better than last week. I see Westbrook having some problems against the very fast Washington LB's. The WR's will have to step up for the Eagles to win this game. I'm thinking a 22-17 game is about right.

eaglesalltheway
09-12-2007, 08:10 PM
I see a 27-13 contest.

jonbrodo17
09-12-2007, 09:15 PM
sorry to chage the subject a little, but i dunno if this deserves its own forum, if the patriots were stealing signs during/before the 2004 season, is it any way possiblr the Eagles will be rewarded super bowl champs?????

eaglesalltheway
09-13-2007, 06:33 AM
I would say no, unless there were other types of cheating .

RyanLeaf#1
09-13-2007, 08:03 AM
Predicting the game, I think the Eagles will be able to get turnovers out of Campbell, and the offense will be better than last week. I see Westbrook having some problems against the very fast Washington LB's. The WR's will have to step up for the Eagles to win this game. I'm thinking a 22-17 game is about right.

Hey Bsaza 22-17 who do you have as the winner?

RyanLeaf#1
09-13-2007, 08:04 AM
sorry to chage the subject a little, but i dunno if this deserves its own forum, if the patriots were stealing signs during/before the 2004 season, is it any way possiblr the Eagles will be rewarded super bowl champs?????

Not a chance. No wins will be taken away from them.

eaglesalltheway
09-13-2007, 04:31 PM
Hey Bsaza 22-17 who do you have as the winner?

I am pretty sure he has the Eagles winning, as he should.

Sniper
09-14-2007, 06:28 AM
So if you think the Packers personnel is good and they beat the Eagles. What is your prediction for this week?

Considering McNabb will have all day to throw because Washington's pass rush is atrocious, I'm not too worried. Plus, GB has the greatest CB ever ;)

eaglesalltheway
09-14-2007, 06:48 AM
Our O-line should tear right through their D-line.

RyanLeaf#1
09-14-2007, 09:50 AM
Bsaza picked the Reskins in the NFL Pickem thats what I like to see.

brat316
09-14-2007, 10:08 AM
he is from dc area

RyanLeaf#1
09-14-2007, 10:14 AM
he is from dc area

Doesnt mean hes a Redskins fan. I live in Philly and I hate the Eagles.

bsaza2358
09-14-2007, 11:45 AM
I picked the Redskins to cover the spread. I think the Eagles win by 3-4 points. It was a money play. No more, no less.

bsaza2358
09-14-2007, 11:46 AM
That being said, I LIVE in the DC area, but I'm from the NE Philly burbs originally. Went to college in DC and stayed for various jobs. I hated the Redskins growing up. Being in the area and interacting with their fans, I hate them even more now.

bigbluedefense
09-14-2007, 12:30 PM
How is Abriamiri doing? Is he getting any playing time? I liked him alot coming out of college, and thought he was a great pick up by the Eagles. You have great depth at DE now.

bsaza2358
09-14-2007, 12:52 PM
I think Abriamiri is the #4 DE. I think the knock on him is that he plays a little too high, so he needs to refine his technique before he gets more PT. I like him as a future 2-way end. Right now, Cole, Howard, Kearse, and Thomas are ahead of him, but I see VA getting more PT as the season moves along.

bigbluedefense
09-14-2007, 01:01 PM
I think Abriamiri is the #4 DE. I think the knock on him is that he plays a little too high, so he needs to refine his technique before he gets more PT. I like him as a future 2-way end. Right now, Cole, Howard, Kearse, and Thomas are ahead of him, but I see VA getting more PT as the season moves along.

Physically, he reminds me of Charles Haley/Richard Dent. He doesn't play with the same meanstreak though. But I like the kid's potential.

bsaza2358
09-14-2007, 01:12 PM
I think he will be a successful player, but he doesn't seem to have that real "star" burst. The Eagles haven't drafted many legit "stars" lately. That is a problem.

brat316
09-14-2007, 01:15 PM
Kearse how much longer does he have, he gets injured this season he is out for sure.

So anyone see any safeties in the comming up draft, or Cb, that can be converted, besides Phillips.

Terrell Thomas from USC, just on measurments alone he looks to be a good Db.

Tom Zbikowski- can double as a returner,

RyanLeaf#1
09-14-2007, 09:20 PM
I picked the Redskins to cover the spread. I think the Eagles win by 3-4 points. It was a money play. No more, no less.

THE NFL Pickem is not by spreads though. Its straight up.

eaglesalltheway
09-14-2007, 10:01 PM
I DO NOT wants the Eagles to draft ZBikowski, repeat NO WAY! Other safeties I have no problems with though.

jonbrodo17
09-15-2007, 10:41 AM
its the 2nd freeking week and we're already talking draft???

Eagles 24 Redskins 17

21ST
09-15-2007, 10:53 AM
The Redskins have very good talent at safety, but they are more suspect at CB. Lots of depth, but not a ton of proven talent. Their LB's are very fast and flow to the ball well. Their weakness is DT depth and youth/aggression with their safeties. They will need to pick their spots against the Redskins D, protect McNabb, and go from there. There should be some chances on the deep ball after establishing short passing and the run game.

Actually DT depth is a pretty big strength for us, but or corners outside of springs suck and since springs probly isnt going to start this early in the season McNabb should be able to have a field day throwing on us. You guys just wont be able to run the ball.

and about our safties..... Sean Taylor really doesnt play aggressive anymore we just put him in coverage every play. He rarely even makes tackles in the run game anymore but you might be able to catch LL slippin...but i doubt it.

Sniper
09-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Actually DT depth is a pretty big strength for us, but or corners outside of springs suck and since springs probly isnt going to start this early in the season McNabb should be able to have a field day throwing on us. You guys just wont be able to run the ball.

and about our safties..... Sean Taylor really doesnt play aggressive anymore we just put him in coverage every play. He rarely even makes tackles in the run game anymore but you might be able to catch LL slippin...but i doubt it.

Your pass rush is brutal. Absolutely brutal. And as for Taylor, he's in coverage......until the first PA pass, then he's toast.

mpt117
09-15-2007, 07:12 PM
Kearse how much longer does he have, he gets injured this season he is out for sure.

So anyone see any safeties in the comming up draft, or Cb, that can be converted, besides Phillips.

Terrell Thomas from USC, just on measurments alone he looks to be a good Db.

Tom Zbikowski- can double as a returner,

Besides Kenny Phillips, the safeties I like from the 08 class: Jonathan Hefney from Tennessee, Simeon Castille from Alabama (is playing CB, but is projected to safety in the pros on some drafts sites i have seen), and UTEPs Quintin Demps. I know Oklahoma has some great safties in Darien Williams and DJ Wolfe, but dont know too much about them. They also have a good safety in Nic Harris in the 09 class.

21ST
09-16-2007, 03:11 AM
Your pass rush is brutal. Absolutely brutal. And as for Taylor, he's in coverage......until the first PA pass, then he's toast.

I dont think you understand, all taylor does is play deep. He doesnt come up for run plays anymore.

eaglesalltheway
09-16-2007, 09:18 AM
Your pass rush is brutal. Absolutely brutal. And as for Taylor, he's in coverage......until the first PA pass, then he's toast.

I'm confused, do you mean brutally good or brutally bad?

Sniper
09-16-2007, 02:33 PM
I'm confused, do you mean brutally good or brutally bad?

Brutally bad.

eaglesalltheway
09-16-2007, 03:41 PM
Good, because if you meant it in a good way I would have thought there was something wrong with you.

RyanLeaf#1
09-17-2007, 01:23 PM
My prediction for tonight Redskins 23 Eagles 13

Sniper
09-17-2007, 01:35 PM
My prediction for tonight Eagles23 Redskins 13

Sounds reasonable...;)

RyanLeaf#1
09-17-2007, 01:41 PM
Sounds reasonable...;)

If the Eagles start out 0 and 2 your over 11 bet isnt going to be looking to good my friend.

bsaza2358
09-17-2007, 02:15 PM
Given the homefield advantage and the effect of McNabb getting a lot of jitters out of the way, I think that the Eagles will win 24-20. They won't cover the 7 point spread, but I'll take a division win.

RyanLeaf#1
09-17-2007, 05:15 PM
Sounds reasonable...;)

HAHA I didnt even see you put the Eagles winning in my prediction...

Sniper
09-17-2007, 07:14 PM
HAHA I didnt even see you put the Eagles winning in my prediction...

I'm a tricky bastard.

RyanLeaf#1
09-18-2007, 07:07 AM
I said 23-13 I wasnt that far off. Either way the Eagles are in big trouble.

brat316
09-18-2007, 12:45 PM
WOW, when the draft comes lets stop trying to find diamonds in the rough and go after some star players, and even in Free agency. Mostly i mean WR, Redskins did play good coverage, but it seems that team might have figured out to stop our WR just play press coverage. Doucett I hope he comes out and we have a chance at grabbing him.

Where was our Pass rush at, their right side of the line was backups.

RyanLeaf#1
09-18-2007, 12:54 PM
Its bad when your weapon is Jason Avant

brat316
09-18-2007, 01:09 PM
Yeah that is pretty bad, he is leading our WR in catches and yrds. But Westbrook leads them all.

bsaza2358
09-18-2007, 01:30 PM
Jason Avant has done the best job separating and getting open. I don't think he's a #1 or #2 WR, but he can play against #3 CB's and get open. Looking like a solid 4th rounder.

Curtis and Brown are simply not separating from opposing CB's. The WCO is based on quick passes and rhythm. If the WR's can't separate, it creates some huge issues.

jonbrodo17
09-18-2007, 02:41 PM
that, plus the fact that donovan's balls aren't thrown that well

bigbluedefense
09-18-2007, 02:45 PM
I saw those WRs get open a couple of times. Donovann just couldn't hit them. He's obviously not 100%. He's always had accuracy issues, but not like this. Thats a very different game if McNabb was able to deliver the ball.

Having that said, I told ya don't sleep on the Skins. Their defense is much better than people think. And they have the best LB core in the NFC East. Sean Taylor is playing very well now that he lost weight.

skinzzfan25
09-18-2007, 02:58 PM
How's B-Dawk?

Yoder laid the wood and I haven't heard a word about Dawkins since.

bsaza2358
09-18-2007, 03:09 PM
Early injury reports suggest that Dawkins had a stinger. From what I saw, he collided head first into Yoder's shoulder, and it probably compressed some things. I would expect that Dawk will not miss any time. That defense is even worse without him on the field...

Go_Eagles77
09-18-2007, 03:13 PM
WR is our #1 need in the draft next year. Preferably a burner like DeSean Jackson but he probably won't be around (unless we don't improve)

brat316
09-18-2007, 03:15 PM
Yeah, we really need secondary Depth, after James, who is there for Cbs, Hanson is okay, and I thought Mikell would do better, we really need depth.

brat316
09-18-2007, 03:16 PM
WR from LSU Doucett

Sniper
09-18-2007, 03:40 PM
WR is our #1 need in the draft next year. Preferably a burner like DeSean Jackson but he probably won't be around (unless we don't improve)

It's our need, but we won't get one in round 1.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-18-2007, 04:05 PM
I'm disappointed in Reggie Brown of all the wideouts on your team he has the best physical tools and has produced some great games in the past. I see Kevin Curtis having a good year, although he lacks physical tools he is a hard worker to get open and will give Mcnabb that option he had when James Thrash was decent.

jonbrodo17
09-18-2007, 04:13 PM
do u honestly think the eagles would draft/pay a 1st round WR???????? all i am worried about now is beating the lions cuz i don't know how lito/sheldon/james(if he keeps 3rd string) are gonna matchup with Williams,Johnson and Furrey

mpt117
09-18-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeah, we really need secondary Depth, after James, who is there for Cbs, Hanson is okay, and I thought Mikell would do better, we really need depth.

our CBs are:
Lito Sheppard
Sheldon Brown
William James
Joselio Hanson
and the UDFA rookie Nick Graham

at safety, we only have Dawkins, Considine, and Mikell

Go_Eagles77
09-18-2007, 04:22 PM
do u honestly think the eagles would draft/pay a 1st round WR????????

No, but I could only hope

bsaza2358
09-18-2007, 05:15 PM
Andy Reid and Tom Heckert have adjusted their strategies over the years to suit how defenses are playing the team and to adjust their scheme. I think that a move to get a big time WR is very possible, but given the age of Thomas and Runyan, the Eagles likely go OLine here. Even with Justice doing well filling in for Thomas last night, more depth is needed. As BBD says, never underestimate what a legit OLine can do for your offense...

bsaza2358
09-18-2007, 05:16 PM
As I just mentioned, Justice filled in for William Thomas at LT last night, and he looked pretty good. I didn't see a ton of blind side pressure from the Redskins D. That is a very encouraging sign. I would expect that Thomas would be released or traded by the Eagles at the end of the season.

brat316
09-18-2007, 08:36 PM
I think they can find that diamond in the rough for the o-line easier then i think they could get a good WR in the first. Also Safety it looks about even when it comes to Safety and WR needs. We'll see at the end of the year.

Are there any FA Wr next year

RyanLeaf#1
09-19-2007, 12:06 AM
I think they can find that diamond in the rough for the o-line easier then i think they could get a good WR in the first. Also Safety it looks about even when it comes to Safety and WR needs. We'll see at the end of the year.

Are there any FA Wr next year

Randy Moss

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 08:26 AM
I would assume Moss would stay in New England. They have the cap room to lock him up, and he appears happy. You'll probably see Terry Glenn on the FA wire, but that doesn't make much of a difference really.

RyanLeaf#1
09-19-2007, 10:23 AM
The Eagles just need to have a bad season and draft Desean Jackson

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 10:27 AM
If they draft Jackson and trade McNabb, will you root for the team?

bigbluedefense
09-19-2007, 10:41 AM
Reid doesn't draft WRs early, and I agree with his idealogy 100%. WR is the most overrated position in football. Remember, this same unit was the 2nd ranked offense in the league last year. It can't be that bad.

The problem is playcalling, and McNabb is shaking off rust. Thats the problem. They need to feed the rock to Westbrook, and if they do that and McNabb can come back, theyll be fine with this WR unit. I saw plenty of times they were open, but McNabb just couldn't get it to them. That was the difference between a win and a loss on Monday.

Remember, it took Palmer about 4 games to shake off his rust last year. Im expecting the same from McNabb. These injuries take time. And why is Reid calling the plays again? He needs to hand it back to the OC again.

I would expect Reid to go after olinemen in this draft, especially with its great depth this year, and perhaps a safety. Don't expect a WR to be drafted until the 3rd round minimum.

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 10:44 AM
I said a while ago that the Eagles would go OT in this draft. I expect both Runyan and Thomas to be gone. Justice looked good in the second half Monday, so he will likely be the LT. While Andrews can play RT, I'd rather not lose his pop at RG. Herremens is a possibility at RT, with Jean-Giles or Young at LG, but that still taxes the team's depth. The DLine is well-stocked. I could see a possible CB, S, or OLine in the first 2 rounds. Maybe the Eagles will take a WR in round 2, but if they playcall properly and execute, the existing offense will work.

bigbluedefense
09-19-2007, 10:52 AM
I said a while ago that the Eagles would go OT in this draft. I expect both Runyan and Thomas to be gone. Justice looked good in the second half Monday, so he will likely be the LT. While Andrews can play RT, I'd rather not lose his pop at RG. Herremens is a possibility at RT, with Jean-Giles or Young at LG, but that still taxes the team's depth. The DLine is well-stocked. I could see a possible CB, S, or OLine in the first 2 rounds. Maybe the Eagles will take a WR in round 2, but if they playcall properly and execute, the existing offense will work.

I agree. I noticed the 2 positions that Reid doesn't draft early are WR and LB. He usually looks for mid round gems at those positions. And I don't blame him at all. Offense is built around the line, and his system of defense is built around the dline and secondary. So theres no point investing an early pick on LBs or WRs. Thats why you have continuous success year in and year out.

My favorite oline prospect so far is Sam Baker. He's in my eyes right now, better than Long. He's better at pass protection, and he's better at getting to the second level on run plays. Very sound technician, and has excellent footwork. I wouldn't be surprised if Reid makes a push for him or another LT in this draft, and moves Justice back to his natural RT position.

Can you imagine Justice at RT? He'll be a beast at RT.

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 11:03 AM
Justice shut down the Skins pass rush and blitz for an entire half in his action on Monday. My thought on him was that he was only playing RT in college because it was Leinart's blind side. If he's a natural LT, and the Eagles can get a legit starter at LT for young bookends, I'd be satisfied. I think Baker is a beast as well. Long actually looks like a RT to me.

bigbluedefense
09-19-2007, 11:23 AM
Justice shut down the Skins pass rush and blitz for an entire half in his action on Monday. My thought on him was that he was only playing RT in college because it was Leinart's blind side. If he's a natural LT, and the Eagles can get a legit starter at LT for young bookends, I'd be satisfied. I think Baker is a beast as well. Long actually looks like a RT to me.

Im hoping the Long hype machine can push him real high in the draft. That means Baker has a better chance of falling. Id love for the Giants to nab Baker.

Unfortunately, I can't envision us getting him because of our glaring holes on defense. Getting Baker is the right move, but its a move we probably won't make.

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Baker may be the right move for the GMen, but you can't argue with a space-filling DT or a legit, top-flight CB. Their defensive woes are significant. You can sometimes find servicable OT's early in Round 2 (see Justice). Hard to say what could happen.

bigbluedefense
09-19-2007, 11:56 AM
Baker may be the right move for the GMen, but you can't argue with a space-filling DT or a legit, top-flight CB. Their defensive woes are significant. You can sometimes find servicable OT's early in Round 2 (see Justice). Hard to say what could happen.

We really can't go wrong. We can draft BA LB, CB, S, DT or OT, and I'll be fine with it. Id prefer OT bc they don't fall out of trees, whereas the other positions can be filled in later rounds, but if we go a different route, I won't be entirely upset.

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 12:05 PM
That's a big reason why I want the Eagles to go with an OLineman. If Kolb really is the future of the franchise, the team needs to protect him if they want to have any semblence of success. It kind of mirrors what they Eagles did when McNabb was drafted back in 1999. They had drafted Thomas in 98 and signed Runyan to bookend it. Those guys have been stallwarts since then. It really helped the rest of the team out.

bigbluedefense
09-19-2007, 12:08 PM
That's a big reason why I want the Eagles to go with an OLineman. If Kolb really is the future of the franchise, the team needs to protect him if they want to have any semblence of success. It kind of mirrors what they Eagles did when McNabb was drafted back in 1999. They had drafted Thomas in 98 and signed Runyan to bookend it. Those guys have been stallwarts since then. It really helped the rest of the team out.

With this Tackle class, id be very surprised if Reid doesn't nab one within the first 2 rounds. I love his drafting ideology. The man knows his stuff. Its very hard to argue with his drafts. The man knows what he's doing.

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 12:16 PM
There are a lot of OT's here. Given the age of the OT's and the presence of at least 3 top notch OT talents, I would be very much in favor of the Eagles getting an OT early, then switching off to grab extra talent at other positions later.

RyanLeaf#1
09-19-2007, 01:38 PM
If they draft Jackson and trade McNabb, will you root for the team?

With the comments that McNabb has made in recent days. Its amazing that anyone roots for that team. He is a jackass

Sniper
09-19-2007, 01:46 PM
If they draft Jackson and trade McNabb, will you root for the team?

Root for the cloth my friend

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 01:48 PM
He has the right to discuss whatever he wants to discuss. Not to really get into this, but McNabb, Vick, and Culpepper were held to greater degrees of scrutiny than Manning, Favre, and Brady. Maybe it has more to do with their playing style. However, Favre used to make all kinds of mistakes and would be called a "gunslinger". Aaron Brooks would make similar errors and would be called "mistake-prone".

That being said, McNabb isn't in a position to really make those kinds of comments and get away with it. He has the tendency to invite greater scrutiny that way.

We all know that Donnie was getting booed on Monday because his execution was poor.

Eaglez.Fan
09-19-2007, 02:25 PM
After looking at some stats. They say we need to spread the field more to open up the passing game. McNabb's QB rating is near the bottom of the NFC during the 1st two whole games (high 60's). But when there is 3 WR's his rating jumps (low 70's) up to the middle of the NFC and when it's 4+ WR's it goes abit higher (mid. 70's), into the above average category. We all know McNabb could be playing alot better so this could be used to gain his own trust back in himself and his teammates by performing better. Obviously we can't spread the field the whole game but spreading it in the 1st quarter or two could be good for confidence and result.

brat316
09-19-2007, 02:26 PM
He didnt take many chances

jonbrodo17
09-19-2007, 03:41 PM
anybody check profootballtalk and/or the eagles website? i feel a lot of bad vibe coming out from donovan, i wish they had resigned garcia for 1 year and let him play the first 4 games and let Donovan get healthy cuz he's just not physically and mentally into the game right now

bsaza2358
09-19-2007, 04:10 PM
There was no way that Garcia was going to sign a 1 year deal to be a backup in Philly when other teams were offering him more money and a 3-4 year deal to be a starter. Don't be ridiculous.

McNabb isn't 100%, and he probably won't get his mechanics right and his timing down without playing in the games. The best bet for the team is to keep him in there for now and work on his skills and rehab during the week. It's the only way.

RyanLeaf#1
09-20-2007, 07:46 AM
Garcia has been playing really good in Tampa.

bsaza2358
09-20-2007, 08:47 AM
I know that he has been playing well. The point is that he was getting offers to compete for a starting position and multi-year deals. It wasn't in the best interest of the Eagles or Garcia for their relationship to continue.

RyanLeaf#1
09-20-2007, 09:46 AM
I know that he has been playing well. The point is that he was getting offers to compete for a starting position and multi-year deals. It wasn't in the best interest of the Eagles or Garcia for their relationship to continue.

At the time yes I agree with you. Even still now it would have been dumb to sign him. I guess none of this really matters because after this season McNabb is gone and it will be Kolbs time.

bsaza2358
09-20-2007, 10:02 AM
That is very possible. All the more reason why the Eagles will probably take an OT in the first day of the 2008 draft. Have to protect Kolb. It will be really weird to not have Donnie under center.

bigbluedefense
09-20-2007, 10:14 AM
If McNabb is not an Eagle next year, we can almost surely pencil him in as a Bear.

Either that, or a Falcon. But most likely a Bear.

bsaza2358
09-20-2007, 11:24 AM
Bears are the most likely destination because they are looking for a quick turnaround, McNabb grew up in Chicago, and they will likely be willing to invest the draft picks and money necessary to make this kind of deal.

jonbrodo17
09-20-2007, 04:55 PM
I want to know what you think his value would be.

i say a decent player and a 1st rd pick

Sniper
09-20-2007, 06:51 PM
I want to know what you think his value would be.

i say a decent player and a 1st rd pick

Devin Hester and a first? :):):) Wishful thinking... I don't know if we get a player and a first for a 32 year old QB with multiple injuries and on the decline. Call me crazy

brat316
09-20-2007, 07:58 PM
hmmm, I would think Bernard and a first, maybe Bernard and a third and then the next years. first.

eaglesfan_45
09-20-2007, 08:10 PM
Lets say the Eagles continue to be pretty bad and we end up with a high draft pick who should we draft?
Oh and there is no way we get a first for Donovan if he keeps plaing like this, i really hope he is just rusty.

brat316
09-20-2007, 08:17 PM
Uh Kenny Phillips, or a WR from LSU uh Doucett

Sniper
09-20-2007, 08:43 PM
Uh Kenny Phillips, or a WR from LSU uh Doucett

DeSean Jackson would give us a much needed burner and this crazy thing called a punt/kick returner

brat316
09-20-2007, 10:30 PM
yeah it would, where do you see him falling to i think to 15.

bsaza2358
09-21-2007, 08:03 AM
Lets say the Eagles continue to be pretty bad and we end up with a high draft pick who should we draft?
Oh and there is no way we get a first for Donovan if he keeps plaing like this, i really hope he is just rusty.

I think Donovan will fetch a first and a future pick. He may get us multiple picks as well. The real problem is that his contract is pretty big and needs to be restructured. I'm also worried that he'll demand a trade and force the Eagles to move him for less than fair value.

bsaza2358
09-21-2007, 08:04 AM
The Eagles will probably not get much more than a first rounder for McNabb at this stage. Maybe a few picks. There's zero chance that Hester or Berrian will be included.

jonbrodo17
09-21-2007, 05:24 PM
i dont think he'll demand a trade, Sal Paloantonio thinks that Kolb may be ready for the jets game in october ad that may push donovan out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3030401

quick question, i am going to the game sunday do i boo or cheer when they call donovan's name for the 75th ani. team?????

brat316
09-21-2007, 06:26 PM
hmmmm half boo half cheer

Geo
09-21-2007, 08:53 PM
If McNabb is not an Eagle next year, we can almost surely pencil him in as a Bear.

Either that, or a Falcon. But most likely a Bear.
Vikings also, perhaps? Childress will be on the hot seat, in his third year, if the team doesn't have a winning record this season.

But yes, I could absolutely see the Bears opting not to re-sign Grossman and bringing in McNabb. If Kyle Orton doesn't win the job outright, that is. ;)

McNabb will get healthier, and the Eagles offense will improve (I think we'll see a good amount of scoring this week against the Lions, actually). I don't really see Kolb being ready this year to help lead a playoff run.

eaglesfan_45
09-21-2007, 10:53 PM
quick question, i am going to the game sunday do i boo or cheer when they call donovan's name for the 75th ani. team?????

definitly cheer for the 75th anniversary thing he has been amazing for the eagles up until this point and that is why he was voted to the 75th team it is a reflection of what he has done in the past not what he is doing now.

but once the game begins feel free to boo.

eaglesfan_45
09-22-2007, 01:08 AM
I was looking at the stats for the D-line and they arent doing so well i guess all the good things said about Bunkley this offseason was hype

Go_Eagles77
09-22-2007, 09:21 AM
I was looking at the stats for the D-line and they arent doing so well i guess all the good things said about Bunkley this offseason was hype

Stats don't tell the whole story.

Sniper
09-22-2007, 09:33 AM
I was looking at the stats for the D-line and they arent doing so well i guess all the good things said about Bunkley this offseason was hype

Yes because DTs rack up so many stats usually. :rolleyes: Bunkley's been pretty good so far, our best DL

Geo
09-22-2007, 04:41 PM
On the NBC halftime show for the Notre Dame game, Peter King discussed Donovan McNabb among other topics.

He initially pointed out how, since the Super Bowl, McNabb hasn't played particularly well overall. He's been 9-12 as a starter and his accuracy is dismally around 57 percent.

More importantly, if McNabb continues to struggle for the next three weeks or so, we could very well see Kolb come in.

Surprising, I thought.

brat316
09-22-2007, 09:56 PM
I hope he doesn't have Culpepper syndrome. After tearing your acl, for a mobile qb, i think its hard to come back. I think he should have just take an year off.

jonbrodo17
09-23-2007, 07:51 AM
exactly, he shoulda taken a year off and we shoulda signed garcia for 1 year

eaglesalltheway
09-23-2007, 10:16 AM
No, his injury was more like Carson Palmer's and if you remember correctly, Palmer started off slowly last year, but picked it up as the year wenty on. I expect the same out of McNabb this year, and he has already improved in the first two games. Palmers was actually worse than Donovan's so I am not too worried about him as the year goes on. I am a little worried for the next few weeks, but once the middle or the end of October comes around Donovan should be fine.

BX
09-23-2007, 01:41 PM
Good God, whats with those throwbacks?

Awful

bsaza2358
09-24-2007, 11:48 AM
Quit yer complaining. They are reminiscent of the first ever Eagles jersies from 75 years ago.

jefepowhnzer
09-24-2007, 02:37 PM
I thought the throwbacks were awesome. Maybe some powder blue pants would have helped out ... anyway.

ESPN is reporting Westbrook has an abdominal strain he suffered while making a cut.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3034146

The good news is that the bye is after this week. The bad news is that the team will need Westbrook to beat the Giants. Without Westbrook the effectiveness of playaction is reduced considerably. If his strain turns out to be mild to severe but he is able to play would you rather have him play or sit him and allow his injuries to heal for a full 2 weeks?

If this is the case I would hope to find some solution in the middle. Maybe 5-10 carries with 2 or 3 attempts to find him on screen passes, just to keep the Giants defense honest. The majority of the carries could go to Buck and maybe a few to Hunt. If the passing game can be half as effective as it was against the Lions that would give the team a great chance to win and at the same time could help keep Westbrook from complicating his injuries.

brat316
09-24-2007, 05:14 PM
I think we can make an impact with Hunt, do some power plays up the middle.

derza222
09-25-2007, 11:02 AM
Keep in mind that with the bye he would have a full two weeks to heal, one week from the Giants game to the bye and another week from the bye to the game the week after. And supposedly he was questionable going into this week's game and didn't practice all week, didn't hurt his performance against the Lions any. I think in all likelihood he sits out a few practices, comes back Thursday/Friday to test things out, and if he thinks he's good to go he plays, albeit with less touches than usual, if not he doesn't and he should be at 100% or close to it going into week 6. I think Reid plays him because the offense just isn't the same without him and being a divisional game it's important, but limits him because if he's banged up all year the offense will have serious problems.

swagger
09-25-2007, 11:19 AM
Can someone tell me who the Eagles Offensive Coordinator was from 1999 to 2002 while Brad Childress was quarterbacks coach?

RyanLeaf#1
09-25-2007, 11:26 AM
Can someone tell me who the Eagles Offensive Coordinator was from 1999 to 2002 while Brad Childress was quarterbacks coach?

Rod Dowhower

swagger
09-25-2007, 11:34 AM
Rod Dowhower

What's the story with why he left, and why Childress became offensive coordinator?

bsaza2358
09-25-2007, 01:14 PM
The Eagles liked Childress as a future OC, but he wasn't quite ready when Reid took over as HC. Dowhower was an older guy who knew the WCO and could help teach Childress and help Reid. He retired in 2002, and Childress was elevated to OC.

swagger
09-25-2007, 02:06 PM
One more quick question, actually. Did Dowhower call plays when he was Reid's OC?

eaglesalltheway
09-28-2007, 02:01 PM
The Eagles will play Westy, but depending on the last few practices, he may see a more restricted role, with Buck and Hunt having more rushes than before. If the Eagles get a solid lead, I don't think we will see any of Westbrook after that.

brat316
09-28-2007, 05:43 PM
i dont think they should play him, abdominal strain really mess up your like cutting and change direction ablilty

Go_Eagles77
09-30-2007, 04:26 PM
If the Eagles get a solid lead, I don't think we will see any of Westbrook after that.

There's no doubt in my mind that's the case.

Go_Eagles77
09-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Philadelphiaeagles.com reporting Westbrook is inactive today. Not good....

RyanLeaf#1
09-30-2007, 10:33 PM
The Eagles season is officially over.

brat316
10-01-2007, 12:16 AM
Well one good thing came from that game, Buckhalter can run the ball really good.

Sniper
10-01-2007, 08:21 AM
My thoughts on the game...

- Winston Justice....uhhhhhh what's going on bud? I think Osi just sacked 5 again. Then again, I can't place all the blame on Justice though. He's essentially a rookie playing LT in his first ever start and at no time was there a RB or TE helping him chip Umenyiora. That's brutal coaching. Some of it goes to Justice, but I'd say more goes to Reid.

- Buckhalter. Nice game. Ran hard, read his blocks well, ran very hard. He looked good.

- Reggie Brown, where are you man? The guy's disappeared off the face of the Earth. I'm eyeing you up too, Kevin Curtis.

- McNabb is officially done. I said it. He can't move, he's tentative in the pocket and he refuses to scramble. He's trying to avoid contact more than Marvin Harrison, and he's gotta stop zinging in 2 yard passes at 417 mph.

- Hey Jevon Kearse! Thanks for showing up for a play or two!

- Will James is atrocious.

- We need to find a 6'5 CB to match up with Plaxico. Sheldon had great coverage on him but because Plax is 8 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, I'd say he wins.

bigbluedefense
10-01-2007, 12:12 PM
Andy Reid lost you that game. That was one of the worst coaching jobs Ive ever seen him do.

Why on Earth he gave Justice no help is beyond me. Why he didn't do alot of screen passes is also beyond me. And why didn't he run the ball, or do some 3 step drops, or ...anything? He came in with a horrible gameplan. He was totally outcoached by Spagnuola that game. Horrible horrible job.


I will say this. NEVER EVER EVER, count out the Eagles.

1. It was a road game, both your division losses came on the road.
2. McNabb will get better with time, these things take time.
3. You had no chance of winning that game, 6 starters were out.
4. Its still VERY early.
5. The Eagles have a history of starting slow.


Its a 16 game season guys. Im definately not counting out the Eagles just yet.

Black Majic
10-01-2007, 02:11 PM
Andy Reid is a bone head with making half time decisions. Anybody could see that justice needed help. We re down for seven for so long. the run game is workin y are we passing. He's an idiot sometimes. I saw one screen play. I didnt see anyplay action which prob wouldnt have worked anyway. spread them out run. we have five recievers. use them. Can we get a real O coordinator? I'm so sick of what the dallas fans have to say to me. The season isnt over at all but andy needs to stop focusing on the meal after the game and worry about "We have to play better" "it starts with me." Andy did not keep the d honest at all. first three plays if i recall were passes. I groaned. ur not mike martz

jefepowhnzer
10-01-2007, 05:00 PM
Watching the game last night I started to get really frustrated watching McNabb get sacked while his receivers were running downfield with their backs to the line of scrimmage. It wasn't so much that McNabb was being sacked but that it seemed like the WR's were still running 10+ yard routes even after the Giants had made it clear McNabb would not have much time to throw. Another thing that frustrated me was that the run game would pick up chunks of yards and then all of a sudden the offense would run 3 unsuccessful passing plays in a row and be forced to punt. While I'm no football genius it would seem that a fundamental school of thought would be to start running short routes or to continue to run the ball in that particular situation. It's almost as if the same play calling plan continued despite all the problems.

Aside from all this, does anyone know why Baskett isn't seeing as much PT at WR as he did last season? Did Avant beat him out? Being and Eagle fan and going to UNM people are always asking me "why isnt Hank playing?". The only answer I can offer is that Avant beat him out, but I'm not quite sure that's the answer.

brat316
10-01-2007, 07:04 PM
you guys know that it wasnt Justice fault, and he did get help, it just who ever was next to him didnt realize what he was suppose to do. If you look at the replays, its 2 vs 3. The center was easily taking care of the DT, the Guard was suppose to help Justice, but he was busy trying to either figure out where the DE was or was blocking the wrong guy helping the center.