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Moses
05-10-2007, 04:34 PM
I just saw this on PTI. Pacman Jones apparently went to a strip club before his meeting with Goodell in New York. If he is stupid enough to do that...he simply doesn't belong in the league anymore. What goes through your mind when you do something like that?

Scotty D
05-10-2007, 04:35 PM
Strip clubs are illegal nowadays?

bored of education
05-10-2007, 04:35 PM
He won't see the age of 30.

cardsalltheway
05-10-2007, 04:36 PM
Unless he did something wrong while there, I don't see the problem. It's not like it's illegal to go to a strip club. It's far from a good decision, but no big deal IMO.

Rob S
05-10-2007, 04:36 PM
oh my gosh......

Moses
05-10-2007, 04:38 PM
Unless he did something wrong while there, I don't see the problem. It's not like it's illegal to go to a strip club. It's far from a good decision, but no big deal IMO.

He did nothing illegal obviously. However, he's meeting with Goodell to talk about his suspension, future in the league, etc. which are all stemming from a strip club incident. How idiotic do you have to be to do this?

bored of education
05-10-2007, 04:39 PM
Heeeeeeee Is Soo Grounded!!!!!

bsaza2358
05-10-2007, 04:41 PM
I don't think it's a big deal. Going to strip clubs is a right, not a privilege. It's entertainment. Of course, it's not the wisest decision, but he has no obligation to avoid these kinds of places. He has an obligation to behave responsibly and not injure or attack anyone else. Athletes can go wherever they need to go to blow off steam. I don't see it as a huge problem. In terms of making an impression on the commish, he's an idiot, but I don't think he has to avoid strip bars.

Moses
05-10-2007, 04:42 PM
I don't think it's a big deal. Going to strip clubs is a right, not a privilege. It's entertainment. Of course, it's not the wisest decision, but he has no obligation to avoid these kinds of places. He has an obligation to behave responsibly and not injure or attack anyone else. Athletes can go wherever they need to go to blow off steam. I don't see it as a huge problem. In terms of making an impression on the commish, he's an idiot, but I don't think he has to avoid strip bars.

He's been saying how he's a changed man, blah blah blah. Just associating yourself with a strip club at this point is simply idiotic. I honestly cannot believe somebody would do something like this. Talk about sending the wrong message.

princefielder28
05-10-2007, 04:43 PM
Probably a bad decision considering what he had ahead of him

tom
05-10-2007, 04:45 PM
He did nothing illegal obviously. However, he's meeting with Goodell to talk about his suspension, future in the league, etc. which are all stemming from a strip club incident. How idiotic do you have to be to do this?

His suspension had to do with his lack of notification regarding two arrests... the strip club incident wasn't his fault, he just made it rain, and some bouncers got shot, no big deal.

terribletowel39
05-10-2007, 04:46 PM
Scotty, once again great sig. i think i am in love. it is the upward flick of the tongue.

and unless he did something wrong i don't see anything wrong with him doing this. with his money he can go to a nice strip club and the nice strip clubs in NY have smokin' hot women dance at them......from what i hear.

bsaza2358
05-10-2007, 04:54 PM
Pacman isn't a changed man. He likes strippers, and he wants to be entertained. He has the money, and he's going to live his life. The suspension is a bit of a wakeup call, but I don't think he's going to be much different. The guy is not a role model, and he doesn't want to be.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-10-2007, 04:54 PM
His suspension had to do with his lack of notification regarding two arrests... the strip club incident wasn't his fault, he just made it rain, and some bouncers got shot, no big deal.

Playas gotta play.

etk
05-10-2007, 04:57 PM
What better way to concentrate before the big meeting & interview than to relax your mind at a nice Gentleman's club.

bsaza2358
05-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Only people who haven't been to a high class gentleman's club would be so down on Pacman for going there. These places are a ton of fun. Trust me.

bsaza2358
05-10-2007, 05:06 PM
And I don't mean prostitution. Just the environment and the ladies, etc.

Green Bay Scat
05-10-2007, 05:07 PM
wasnt this all just an apparently statement? we dont have any proof?

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:07 PM
And I don't mean prostitution. Just the environment and the ladies, etc.

The way Pacman acts in these places is far from "gentleman-like".

bsaza2358
05-10-2007, 05:09 PM
Well, there's no reports he caused trouble in the one in NY. If he's just going to attend and behave, I'm fine with it.

Flyboy
05-10-2007, 05:11 PM
What better way to concentrate before the big meeting & interview than to relax your mind at a nice Gentleman's club.

I concur, sir. Nothing eases the mind like a nice pair of tits in your face.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 05:11 PM
Why is this even news? I mean are we in such a deprived sports environment that Adam Jones going to a strip club 3 weeks ago is a topic of sports conversation? I mean Peyton Manning was at a dinner the other day at the White House for the Queen of England I believe so where's the thread about that? Where's the outrage for Peyton dining with foreign royalty? I mean really leave the man alone, he can afford to go to these establishments and has every right to do it. I'm sure there were other athletes there on the same evening as him and yet that's not news worthy just like this isn't either.

tom
05-10-2007, 05:12 PM
I don't know, I love Pacman Jones... that ***** B crazy, poppin caps, layin' down tracks, intercept your pass, all around P I M P! Goodell, let our homeboy back in the league, somebody's got to put tom brady in his place!

WORD!

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:22 PM
Why is this even news? I mean are we in such a deprived sports environment that Adam Jones going to a strip club 3 weeks ago is a topic of sports conversation? I mean Peyton Manning was at a dinner the other day at the White House for the Queen of England I believe so where's the thread about that? Where's the outrage for Peyton dining with foreign royalty? I mean really leave the man alone, he can afford to go to these establishments and has every right to do it. I'm sure there were other athletes there on the same evening as him and yet that's not news worthy just like this isn't either.

When you've been banned from the NFL for a year and your future as a freeman is in question because of an event at a strip club, you'd probably think going to another one before a meeting with the league commisioner is a bad idea.

Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?

http://www.ofb.net/~epstein/sl/0401/20040101b-closeup.jpg

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-10-2007, 05:24 PM
I don't know, I love Pacman Jones... that ***** B crazy, poppin caps, layin' down tracks, intercept your pass, all around P I M P! Goodell, let our homeboy back in the league, somebody's got to put tom brady in his place!

WORD!

He stay fly, no lie, you know this, BALLLLLINNNN'!!!

etk
05-10-2007, 05:25 PM
When you've been banned from the NFL for a year and your future as a freeman is in question because of an event at a strip club, you'd probably think going to another one before a meeting with the league commisioner is a bad idea.

Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?



Only if I had a bottle of baby powder in my pocket for slapping purposes.

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:25 PM
He stay fly, no lie, you know this, BALLLLLINNNN'!!!

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/10/pacmanparty.jpg

Number 10
05-10-2007, 05:29 PM
Not a big deal....

ricky bobby
05-10-2007, 05:30 PM
The guy clearly has the IQ of a rock.

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 05:40 PM
I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.

ricky bobby
05-10-2007, 05:40 PM
it seems people are missing the point. the point is not that he should be in trouble for going to a strip club, but that he might as well have walked into goodell's office, slapped him and walked back out. it's complete disrespect and looks from the outside like all pacman's talk about "changing" is utter and compelte BS. if he wanted to have any chance of playing ball this year, that was a moronic decision no matter how you feel about strip clubs.
He should have tooted his own horn instead of going to the club.

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:41 PM
I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.

You're missing the point, and it's already been explained in this thread (see njx's post right above this).

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 05:42 PM
it seems people are missing the point. the point is not that he should be in trouble for going to a strip club, but that he might as well have walked into goodell's office, slapped him and walked back out. it's complete disrespect and looks from the outside like all pacman's talk about "changing" is utter and compelte BS. if he wanted to have any chance of playing ball this year, that was a moronic decision no matter how you feel about strip clubs.

I'm sorry...but this is for going to the strip club where NOTHING happened.

The only reason this is even a story is because the American media is absolutely pathetic, and fans are bored and dying for news.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 05:44 PM
I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.
Read the post directly above yours

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:44 PM
I'm sorry...but this is for going to the strip club where NOTHING happened.

The only reason this is even a story is because the American media is absolutely pathetic, and fans are bored and dying for news.

Or it might be because:

-Pacman was in trouble for incidents that happened at a strip club
-Pacman was in New York to have a meeting about his future in the league because of the strip club incident
-Pacman is supposedly a changed man and is changing his habits to stay away from trouble

ricky bobby
05-10-2007, 05:45 PM
Over / Under 5 on how many FUPAs Pacman saw.

Shiver
05-10-2007, 05:47 PM
I cannot wait until Tank Johnson goes out to the firing range before he meets with Goodell...

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-10-2007, 05:47 PM
Over / Under 5 on how many FUPAs Pacman saw.


farting under pelican's asses?

someone447
05-10-2007, 05:48 PM
Or it might be because:

-Pacman was in trouble for incidents that happened at a strip club
-Pacman was in New York to have a meeting about his future in the league because of the strip club incident
-Pacman is supposedly a changed man and is changing his habits to stay away from trouble

-That he was hardly involved in.
-Congratulations on restating your first argument, so I will again, that he was only peripherally involved in.
-Strip clubs /= trouble.

Horrible arguments Moses, and usually I like what you ahve to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:50 PM
-That he was hardly involved in.
-Congratulations on restating your first argument, so I will again, that he was only peripherally involved in.
-Strip clubs /= trouble.

Horrible arguments Moses, and usually I like what you ahve to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.

Hardly involved in? That is laughable.

Feburary 16-18, 2007, during the 2007 NBA All-Star Game weekend in Las Vegas, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. According to the club's co-owner, Jones approached the stage with a garbage bag filled with approximately $81,000[5] in one-dollar bills. Jones proceeded to throw the money into the air over the exotic dancers for a dramatic effect, an act known as "making it rain". Becoming enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission, Jones grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people, during which time Jones allegedly bit the guard on the lower leg. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life.[6] After the patrons of the club exited, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. Although the guard was shot twice, one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down.[7] Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did.[8] On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life. [9].

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 05:50 PM
Or it might be because:

-Pacman was in trouble for incidents that happened at a strip club
-Pacman was in New York to have a meeting about his future in the league because of the strip club incident
-Pacman is supposedly a changed man and is changing his habits to stay away from trouble

Ooook....

So the significance of THIS visit in which NOTHING happened is....?

I'd say he changed. He went to a strip club and nothing happened.

Except of course, the prick media and the idiots who love to read and judge would LOVE to turn this into something it isn't.

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:52 PM
Ooook....

So the significance of THIS visit in which NOTHING happened is....?

I'd say he changed. He went to a strip club and nothing happened.

Except of course, the prick media and the idiots who love to read and judge would LOVE to turn this into something it isn't.

It's the image it projects. How do you guys not understand that? If you're on trial for beating up a stripper and being involved in a shooting in a strip club, it reflects terribly on you to go to a strip club before your meeting with the person you're on trial with.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 05:55 PM
-That he was hardly involved in.
-Congratulations on restating your first argument, so I will again, that he was only peripherally involved in.
-Strip clubs /= trouble.

Horrible arguments Moses, and usually I like what you ahve to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.
Right, he did nothing wrong. We've established that. But the fact is that he is basically telling Roger Goodell where his loyalty lies. And it's not with his organization. If he really wants to play in the NFL, then he's gonna have to make some sacrifices. That's just how it is. Whether it's fair or not is another discussion. But there is definitely something wrong with what he did, from the perspective of the NFL. Not legally or morally or any other thing. It just reflects extremely poorly on himself, and indicates that he really just doesn't see the big picture of what's going on around him right now. He's basically taking the little amount of rope he has left, and trying his best to make a noose out of it.

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:56 PM
Right, he did nothing wrong. We've established that. But the fact is that he is basically telling Roger Goodell where his loyalty lies. And it's not with his organization. If he really wants to play in the NFL, then he's gonna have to make some sacrifices. That's just how it is. Whether it's fair or not is another discussion. But there is definitely something wrong with what he did, from the perspective of the NFL. Not legally or morally or any other thing. It just reflects extremely poorly on himself, and indicates that he really just doesn't see the big picture of what's going on around him right now. He's basically taking the little amount of rope he has left, and trying his best to make a noose out of it.

http://www.farscapegames.co.uk/ishop/images/1003/bingo1.jpg

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-10-2007, 06:04 PM
Lol, imagine if he was late for the meeting cuz he was at the club.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 06:13 PM
Moses your arguments may have some validity or may not but the sheer fact that this argument is on going is sickening. So he went to a strip club, is that the end of the world? I guess you also believe that since Joey Porter had an incident with Levi Jones at a casino that he should have to avoid casinos altogether? Players are human and have the right to visit these establishments and that should not have any merit on their employment. Obviously you dislike Pacman but in your rational the only place he should be other then with the team is in church so as not to get into trouble. Yes him going to a strip club the night before his meeting may have been a poor choice but the bottomline is he did not have any incidents as a result and therefore its really a none issue. This isn't a story and its pathetic that the media is making one out of it.

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 06:15 PM
Moses your arguments may have some validity or may not but the sheer fact that this argument is on going is sickening. So he went to a strip club, is that the end of the world? I guess you also believe that since Joey Porter had an incident with Levi Jones at a casino that he should have to avoid casinos altogether? Players are human and have the right to visit these establishments and that should not have any merit on their employment. Obviously you dislike Pacman but in your rational the only place he should be other then with the team is in church so as not to get into trouble. Yes him going to a strip club the night before his meeting may have been a poor choice but the bottomline is he did not have any incidents as a result and therefore its really a none issue. This isn't a story and its pathetic that the media is making one out of it.

Thank you.

It's amazing how judgemental people are though. You'd think Jones is the spawn of Satan the way people talk about him. One of the first posts in this thread was how he wouldn't live past 30.

It's disgusting.

bored of education
05-10-2007, 06:19 PM
Well, if he continues at this pace with his loose associations with hoodlums and Tupac wannabe's somone will off Pacman. Becuase pacman's pal's offed one of someones boys. I got like 7 years, and so far he hasn't proven me wrong. One, strip club right before an important meeting, two, APPEALING a SUSPENSION he deserves. He has the right to appeal, but be a real man so you did wrong and deal wiht the consequences. The guy is a scumbag. once he cures cancer I'll give him respect.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 06:25 PM
Moses your arguments may have some validity or may not but the sheer fact that this argument is on going is sickening. So he went to a strip club, is that the end of the world? I guess you also believe that since Joey Porter had an incident with Levi Jones at a casino that he should have to avoid casinos altogether? Players are human and have the right to visit these establishments and that should not have any merit on their employment. Obviously you dislike Pacman but in your rational the only place he should be other then with the team is in church so as not to get into trouble. Yes him going to a strip club the night before his meeting may have been a poor choice but the bottomline is he did not have any incidents as a result and therefore its really a none issue. This isn't a story and its pathetic that the media is making one out of it.
Ideally, yes. I would agree. But the NFL doesn't, and Pacman should know that.

Here's an analogy- Say you're on probation for a drug charge. Would you park your car out in front of a crack house to walk to the store, knowing that your P.O. lived right across the street? I mean, that isn't the best analogy but it gets the point across I think.

I mean, say you got caught cheating on your wife and she vowed to cut your balls off if it ever happened again. Would you leave your mistresses panties in the laundry basket? Regardless of whether you cheated or were just doing her a favor- it's a very dumb thing to do.

Everybody should always be aware of the image they portray. Especially to those they care about. Fact is, he disrespected Goodell and the NFL. I'm not saying I think he did anything wrong in my eyes, I'm just trying to point out how the NFL is likely viewing the whole thing. Which is all that really matters as far as Pacman is concerned. Bottom line is that if he really cares about his future with the NFL, it was in incredibly dumb thing to do.

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 06:28 PM
Ideally, yes. I would agree. But the NFL doesn't, and Pacman should know that.

Here's an analogy- Say you're on probation for a drug charge. Would you park your car out in front of a crack house to walk to the store, knowing that your P.O. lived right across the street? I mean, that isn't the best analogy but it gets the point across I think.

I mean, say you got caught cheating on your wife and she vowed to cut your balls off if it ever happened again. Would you leave your mistresses panties in the laundry basket? Regardless of whether you cheated or were just doing her a favor- it's a very dumb thing to do.

Everybody should always be aware of the image they portray. Especially to those they care about. Fact is, he disrespected Goodell and the NFL. I'm not saying I think he did anything wrong in my eyes, I'm just trying to point out how the NFL is likely viewing the whole thing. Which is all that really matters as far as Pacman is concerned. Bottom line is that if he really cares about his future with the NFL, it was in incredibly dumb thing to do.

How is it disrespect?

How many of us would have even known about it if it didn't appear in the newspaper? Who actually believes at the NFL gives a damn if he spent some time in a strip club completely event free as long as he wasn't late for the meeting?

duckseason
05-10-2007, 06:31 PM
How is it disrespect?

How many of us would have even known about it if it didn't appear in the newspaper? Who actually believes at the NFL gives a damn if he spent some time in a strip club completely event free as long as he wasn't late for the meeting?

Honestly, it's just common sense. Use your head. Read those analogies.

Look, I've been one of Pacman's biggest defenders around here when people talk about lynching him and all that. I personally have no problem with him exercising his natural rights as a human being.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 06:35 PM
Ideally, yes. I would agree. But the NFL doesn't, and Pacman should know that.

Here's an analogy- Say you're on probation for a drug charge. Would you park your car out in front of a crack house to walk to the store, knowing that your P.O. lived right across the street? I mean, that isn't the best analogy but it gets the point across I think.

I mean, say you got caught cheating on your wife and she vowed to cut your balls off if it ever happened again. Would you leave your mistresses panties in the laundry basket? Regardless of whether you cheated or were just doing her a favor- it's a very dumb thing to do.

Everybody should always be aware of the image they portray. Especially to those they care about. Fact is, he disrespected Goodell and the NFL. I'm not saying I think he did anything wrong in my eyes, I'm just trying to point out how the NFL is likely viewing the whole thing. Which is all that really matters as far as Pacman is concerned. Bottom line is that if he really cares about his future with the NFL, it was in incredibly dumb thing to do.

While I stipulate that his decision to go the night before the meeting was a poor one, I must once again bring back my Joey Porter situation again. I mean he had the incident at a casino, so does that mean he must stay away from them so as to not draw the inferno of Goodell? Roger is in unchartered territory with these suspensions and he seems to be striking while the iron is hot. But one must note that the Players Association is backing Jones' appeal and if you read the substance of the appeal it does have merit. Goodell is making Jones the whipping boy of his conduct policy and I feel that will come back to haunt him. Face it the NFL has had its share of hooligans long before Pacman and will continue to have them long after he's gone. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers by the way, were cocaine abusers and yet never received the type of suspension Jones got, is this the message you want to send one of that being around bad situations is worse then actual crimes? Pacman has not been formally charged in his instances and yet he's suspended but the defensive linemen, whose name eludes me at this time, was actually convicted of 2 DUI's and yet only merits a 4 game suspension? Something tells me that Jones will be suiting up for the Titans in this upcoming season at some point.

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 06:37 PM
Honestly, it's just common sense. Use your head. Read those analogies.


It's not common sense at all in my eyes. It's a complete overreaction. Who has the right to know where he was the night before if nothing significant happen?

Those analogies were also poor, though I get your point. I just don't agree with your point.

This shouldn't be an issue, but the media loves to tell us what to think and its happening again.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 06:41 PM
While I stipulate that his decision to go the night before the meeting was a poor one, I must once again bring back my Joey Porter situation again. I mean he had the incident at a casino, so does that mean he must stay away from them so as to not draw the inferno of Goodell? Roger is in unchartered territory with these suspensions and he seems to be striking while the iron is hot. But one must note that the Players Association is backing Jones' appeal and if you read the substance of the appeal it does have merit. Goodell is making Jones the whipping boy of his conduct policy and I feel that will come back to haunt him. Face it the NFL has had its share of hooligans long before Pacman and will continue to have them long after he's gone. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers by the way, were cocaine abusers and yet never received the type of suspension Jones got, is this the message you want to send one of that being around bad situations is worse then actual crimes? Pacman has not been formally charged in his instances and yet he's suspended but the defensive linemen, whose name eludes me at this time, was actually convicted of 2 DUI's and yet only merits a 4 game suspension? Something tells me that Jones will be suiting up for the Titans in this upcoming season at some point.
Yeah, I'm not picking sides here. Not saying I'm an advocate of the NFL's rules of conduct. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation, and how incredibly dumb it was of Pacman to hit up a strip club the night before his meeting with Goodell. I mean, that's just common sense. It really demonstrates a lack of awareness on his part.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 06:43 PM
It's not common sense at all in my eyes. It's a complete overreaction. Who has the right to know where he was the night before if nothing significant happen?

Those analogies were also poor, though I get your point. I just don't agree with your point.

This shouldn't be an issue, but the media loves to tell us what to think and its happening again.
As far as the NFL is concerned, it is a huge issue. The media covers the NFL, and this is a message board based on the subject of the NFL.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 06:44 PM
Yeah, I'm not picking sides here. Not saying I'm an advocate of the NFL's rules of conduct. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation, and how incredibly dumb it was of Pacman to hit up a strip club the night before his meeting with Goodell. I mean, that's just common sense. It really demonstrates a lack of awareness on his part.

That's why I have repeatedly stipulated that it was a poor decision on his part in my posts.

TitanHope
05-10-2007, 06:46 PM
Was it wrong for him to do it? No.

Was it stupid? Yes.

Thats really all there is to say about this.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 06:48 PM
That's why I have repeatedly stipulated that it was a poor decision on his part in my posts.
So we're in agreement then.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 06:49 PM
Was it wrong for him to do it? No.

Was it stupid? Yes.

Thats really all there is to say about this.
That's pretty much what it boils down to.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 06:53 PM
jeus christ how is this that hard. SenorGato, you have consistently mis-represented the arguments of EVERYONE you're arguing against by arguing complete non-points. who flaming cares if strip clubs are ok or not. not one person, since you posted, has argued that going to a strip club is bad. not. bloody. one. we HAVE argued that going the night before a meeting with the commissioner about your future in the league due in part to an incident at a strip club is irrefutably moronic.

so now you're going to post something stupid about how you already explained how going to strip clubs is ok, which will yet agin have nothing to do with any part of this argument. then you'll say something about how we're judging him and we're on "high horses". do you have any bloody clue what you're actually talking about, or did you decide this would be your social issue of the day, no matter how stupid or beside the point your "arguments" are?

Pwning at its finest! :D And the fact that he used the word bloody in doing it makes it so much sweeter! :)

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 07:43 PM
jeus christ how is this that hard. SenorGato, you have consistently mis-represented the arguments of EVERYONE you're arguing against by arguing complete non-points. who flaming cares if strip clubs are ok or not. not one person, since you posted, has argued that going to a strip club is bad. not. bloody. one. we HAVE argued that going the night before a meeting with the commissioner about your future in the league due in part to an incident at a strip club is irrefutably moronic.

so now you're going to post something stupid about how you already explained how going to strip clubs is ok, which will yet agin have nothing to do with any part of this argument. then you'll say something about how we're judging him and we're on "high horses". do you have any bloody clue what you're actually talking about, or did you decide this would be your social issue of the day, no matter how stupid or beside the point your "arguments" are?

Dude, what I'm saying is that it's not an issue.

Thats not so complicated is it?

It barely even registers as a stupid action in my mind.

someone447
05-10-2007, 07:52 PM
Dude, what I'm saying is that it's not an issue.

Thats not so complicated is it?

It barely even registers as a stupid action in my mind.

Quoted for truth. Damn 10 letter thing.

Smokey Joe
05-10-2007, 07:54 PM
As long as he didn't do anything illegal, there should be no problem. The man likes naked women dancing, who doesn't? It really wasn't a good decision to go there right before his meeting, but should it matter what he does during his own time, as long as it is legal?

Hurricane Ditka
05-10-2007, 08:30 PM
When you've been banned from the NFL for a year and your future as a freeman is in question because of an event at a strip club, you'd probably think going to another one before a meeting with the league commisioner is a bad idea.

Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?

http://www.ofb.net/%7Eepstein/sl/0401/20040101b-closeup.jpg
If I had an outfit like that I'd wear it everywhere I went.

someone447
05-10-2007, 08:35 PM
so, by extension, none of you would have a problem with mike vick attending a dog fight right before going to court (assuming it gets that far)? because it wouldn't be stupid to go, i mean, it's not illegal as long as he doesn't directly participate. i'm sure that would go down real well with his employers. just like i'm sure goodell is STOKED about the media attention pacman has once again brought the NFL. he's really making a GREAT case for his continued employment with his company. can't wait till i don't have to compete with any of you for jobs.

As long as it isn't at his house and it is in a state where it is legal to watch, no I have no problem with it. Is it stupid? Of course, just like Pacman; but is it newsworthy? Hell no it isn't.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 08:46 PM
As long as it isn't at his house and it is in a state where it is legal to watch, no I have no problem with it. Is it stupid? Of course, just like Pacman; but is it newsworthy? Hell no it isn't.

I would argue that most of what we are fed through the media is not newsworthy. However, we as a society determine what is. It's newsworthy because it sparks conversation and debate across the country such as what we have here in this thread. It's newsworthy because if ESPN didn't report it, then they would lose viewers to those that did.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-10-2007, 08:47 PM
It would be like Ricky Williams meeting with Goodell for re-instatement, and before that blazing up and showing up with eyes glazed and smelling like weed.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 08:56 PM
It would be like Ricky Williams meeting with Goodell for re-instatement, and before that blazing up and showing up with eyes glazed and smelling like weed.

Yeah, even something as innocent as showing up in a Bob Marley T-shirt would be a dumb move on his part. Not because there is anything wrong with it at all, but because of the negative impression it would likely leave on the most important man in his profession.

cunningham06
05-10-2007, 09:16 PM
Pacman likes titties, nothing wrong with that. Motorboatin' son of a *****.

someone447
05-10-2007, 09:25 PM
Yeah, even something as innocent as showing up in a Bob Marley T-shirt would be a dumb move on his part. Not because there is anything wrong with it at all, but because of the negative impression it would likely leave on the most important man in his profession.

The person who said it would be equivalent to Williams showing up stoned is an absolute ******* moron. That is illegal and against the rules to the NFL. There is absolutely no comparison.

Your analogy on the other hand is dead on. Both of them are completely innocent, and it is ridiculous that this conversation is even happening. He did nothing wrong, going to a strip club does not hurt the NFL's image. Listening to Bob Marley does not hurt the NFL's image. Nothing was done wrong, and the fact that anyone actually gives a damn that he went to a strip club is pathetic.

yourfavestoner
05-10-2007, 09:38 PM
While I stipulate that his decision to go the night before the meeting was a poor one, I must once again bring back my Joey Porter situation again. I mean he had the incident at a casino, so does that mean he must stay away from them so as to not draw the inferno of Goodell? Roger is in unchartered territory with these suspensions and he seems to be striking while the iron is hot. But one must note that the Players Association is backing Jones' appeal and if you read the substance of the appeal it does have merit. Goodell is making Jones the whipping boy of his conduct policy and I feel that will come back to haunt him. Face it the NFL has had its share of hooligans long before Pacman and will continue to have them long after he's gone. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers by the way, were cocaine abusers and yet never received the type of suspension Jones got, is this the message you want to send one of that being around bad situations is worse then actual crimes? Pacman has not been formally charged in his instances and yet he's suspended but the defensive linemen, whose name eludes me at this time, was actually convicted of 2 DUI's and yet only merits a 4 game suspension? Something tells me that Jones will be suiting up for the Titans in this upcoming season at some point.

Thank you. I can't stand Goodell already. I'm distrustful by default, simply because of the way he's been trying to flex his muscles with the entire league.

And Moses, I really don't know what that ad for Pacman's birthday had to do with anything.

duckseason
05-10-2007, 09:49 PM
The person who said it would be equivalent to Williams showing up stoned is an absolute ******* moron. That is illegal and against the rules to the NFL. There is absolutely no comparison.

Your analogy on the other hand is dead on. Both of them are completely innocent, and it is ridiculous that this conversation is even happening. He did nothing wrong, going to a strip club does not hurt the NFL's image. Listening to Bob Marley does not hurt the NFL's image. Nothing was done wrong, and the fact that anyone actually gives a damn that he went to a strip club is pathetic.
You've got to admit that it's understandable that Goodell and the NFL would have a problem with this. In turn, fans of Pacman and the Titans might have a problem with it because they want to see him succeed, and they recognize the ramifications of this. I agree that anybody who has a problem with the man exercising his rights is pathetic. But we've got to keep things in perspective here. That really isn't the issue. It's a a conflict between an employer and employee. The reason it's blown up to such a large scale is because it's the NFL. It's just sad that all these people on the outside looking in can immediately ascertain the ramifications of Jones' innocent venture, while he himself couldn't. It would appear that he either doesn't care, or that he just doesn't get it. Like I said earlier, I'm not necessarily an advocate of the NFL's player-conduct policies. So don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out how easy it is to recognize when a burner is hot, and that it's not safe to touch it when it is. It's just the way it is. Jones should know that by now. Goodell does not appear to be the type of guy that begs to be played with. Which is why it seems so incredibly idiotic that Pacman would. Especially considering what's at stake.

Moses
05-10-2007, 10:22 PM
And Moses, I really don't know what that ad for Pacman's birthday had to do with anything.

In reference to the fact that Pacman is balling?

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/10/pacmanparty.jpg

Plus, there is so much about that advertisement that makes me laugh.

Severe Punishment
05-10-2007, 10:28 PM
He won't see the age of 30.
Like father like son.

PACKmanN
05-10-2007, 10:42 PM
Strip clubs are illegal nowadays?

you must of forgot but every move Pacman makes is now illegal.

wogitalia
05-10-2007, 11:07 PM
Not the smartest move, but certainly blown out of proportion. Everyone knows if you are going to go to a strip club you should invite the boss and buy him a private dance ;)

Silly Pacman. I really hope he gets re-instated though, I enjoy watching him play. I'm one of those people who doesnt care what you do in your own time as long as you produce during company time.

eacantdraft
05-11-2007, 08:07 AM
Only people who haven't been to a high class gentleman's club would be so down on Pacman for going there. These places are a ton of fun. Trust me.

The problem is that PacMan doesn't go to the high class ones. That is what led to his troubles in Vegas.

And what is he doing at a strip club in New York? New York/New Jersey have some of the ugliest women around.

bsaza2358
05-11-2007, 09:47 AM
Scores is a fantastic gentleman's club in NY/Philly/Baltimore/elsewhere. NYC has plenty of money, so there are places you can go with excellent entertainment. I went to the Scores in Baltimore about 6 months ago, and the girls there were unbelievable.

Bengals1690
05-11-2007, 10:13 AM
for you people that dont get it, here is my analogy:
its like cheating on your wife the day before your 1 year anniversary. Its not illegal, but its totally disrespectful and is a slap in the face.

eacantdraft
05-11-2007, 10:27 AM
for you people that dont get it, here is my analogy:
its like cheating on your wife the day before your 1 year anniversary. Its not illegal, but its totally disrespectful and is a slap in the face.

Maybe PacMan should have taken the commioner with him to the strip club. If Goodell had a good time, maybe he would lessen PacMan's suspension.

It's not the strip clubs that get PacMan in trouble, it's the people he hangs around with. He goes to the seediest places possible when he can go to the high class places.

What I can't understand is why he needs to go to strip clubs for action when he can get for free from tons of groupees.

bsaza2358
05-11-2007, 10:29 AM
for you people that dont get it, here is my analogy:
its like cheating on your wife the day before your 1 year anniversary. Its not illegal, but its totally disrespectful and is a slap in the face.

That is not an accurate analogy. You don't need an analogy here. He went to the strip club the night before a huge disciplinary meeting with his boss about questionable and embarrassing activities from the distant and recent past. It wasn't a smart move, but he didn't get in trouble there. I don't see a real problem with it in terms of behavior, but it was really dumb if he was trying to prove to the NFL that he was going to be a more responsible citizen.

someone447
05-11-2007, 01:33 PM
ALL OF YOU PEOPLE STOP WITH THE STUPID ******* ANALOGIES!!! YOU ARE WAY OFF ON EVERY SINGLE ******* ONE OF THEM!!!! IF YOU AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL THIS IS LIKE, JUST STOP ******* TALKING!!!! Duckseason is the only one who got it right. It would be like Ricky Williams showing up in a Bob Marley Tshirt. Nothing morally wrong, legally wrong, hell nothing wrong about it PERIOD. Dumb, possibly; blown completely out of proportion? Abso-*******-lutely.

someone447
05-11-2007, 02:00 PM
for you people that dont get it, here is my analogy:
its like cheating on your wife the day before your 1 year anniversary. Its not illegal, but its totally disrespectful and is a slap in the face.

so, by extension, none of you would have a problem with mike vick attending a dog fight right before going to court (assuming it gets that far)? because it wouldn't be stupid to go, i mean, it's not illegal as long as he doesn't directly participate. i'm sure that would go down real well with his employers. just like i'm sure goodell is STOKED about the media attention pacman has once again brought the NFL. he's really making a GREAT case for his continued employment with his company. can't wait till i don't have to compete with any of you for jobs.

It would be like Ricky Williams meeting with Goodell for re-instatement, and before that blazing up and showing up with eyes glazed and smelling like weed.

Well, if he continues at this pace with his loose associations with hoodlums and Tupac wannabe's somone will off Pacman. Becuase pacman's pal's offed one of someones boys. I got like 7 years, and so far he hasn't proven me wrong. One, strip club right before an important meeting, two, APPEALING a SUSPENSION he deserves. He has the right to appeal, but be a real man so you did wrong and deal wiht the consequences. The guy is a scumbag. once he cures cancer I'll give him respect.


Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?




Your right, no one flat out said it was illegal, but every single one of those compare what he did to illegal or immoral activities. Being present at a dog fight is illegal in some places. If it is legal in the state he is in, than that argument is moot.

Moses
05-11-2007, 02:08 PM
Your right, no one flat out said it was illegal, but every single one of those compare what he did to illegal or immoral activities. Being present at a dog fight is illegal in some places. If it is legal in the state he is in, than that argument is moot.

How is wearing a pimp suit immoral? Oh, and we're been making the argument that what he did was IDIOTIC.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-11-2007, 02:23 PM
Also, is it really illegal to be high? Or just the act of getting high?

duckseason
05-11-2007, 02:25 PM
Also, is it really illegal to be high? Or just the act of getting high?

Yeah, you can be charged with possession. When I was 15, the cops gave me an MIP for being drunk.

Moses
05-11-2007, 02:27 PM
Yeah, you can be charged with possession. When I was 15, the cops gave me an MIP for being drunk.

Hard to say. I've never heard of somebody getting charged with possession of marijuana unless they had it on them. As for alcohol, I've seen people charged with drunk in public, etc. but never possession unless they actually are in possession.

Addict
05-11-2007, 02:30 PM
When you've been banned from the NFL for a year and your future as a freeman is in question because of an event at a strip club, you'd probably think going to another one before a meeting with the league commisioner is a bad idea.

Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?

http://www.ofb.net/~epstein/sl/0401/20040101b-closeup.jpg

I'm sorry, did you just critisize my church outfit?

duckseason
05-11-2007, 02:31 PM
Hard to say. I've never heard of somebody getting charged with possession of marijuana unless they had it on them. As for alcohol, I've seen people charged with drunk in public, etc. but never possession unless they actually are in possession.

Yeah, you usually won't be charged, but it's definitely illegal. Which is why P.O.'s give regular UA's.

diabsoule
05-11-2007, 02:34 PM
It's the principle of the matter, not that he actually went but that he went to one before his meeting with the NFL Commissioner showed a poor sense of judgment on his part, which is nothing new since he's shown poor judgment in his decision making since he's been in the league.

someone447
05-11-2007, 02:36 PM
How is wearing a pimp suit immoral? Oh, and we're been making the argument that what he did was IDIOTIC.

No, but being a pimp sure is illegal. He hasn't been charged with anything in the strip club incident. Ok, I'll admit, that may have been a bad example...

songofthesword
05-11-2007, 02:44 PM
I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.

this makes the assumption that going to the strip club is wrong, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

the problem isn't the strip club, it's how he handles himself when he is IN the strip club.

as long as he isn't "making it rain" or anything crazy like that, he will be fine. I mean for crying out loud, the kid is my age (23)... who are you to tell him he can't enjoy the company of beautiful women.


people are making a bigger deal out of all this than it really is. Out of all of pacman's incidents, I think ONE of them involved a strip club (like a 10 percent clip)

songofthesword
05-11-2007, 02:45 PM
The problem is that PacMan doesn't go to the high class ones. That is what led to his troubles in Vegas.

And what is he doing at a strip club in New York? New York/New Jersey have some of the ugliest women around.


yeah, that's a good point also... you have Scores, which is more of a gentlemen's club, then you have places like down here from I am (arkansas) like Platinum Plus, which is a sex shack.. couldn't be more different from one another.

Moses
05-11-2007, 03:09 PM
No, but being a pimp sure is illegal. He hasn't been charged with anything in the strip club incident. Ok, I'll admit, that may have been a bad example...

Right, and it was illegal for him to hit that stripper and it still remains to be seen in what way he was involved in the shooting that left a man paralyzed from the waist down.

thebestest
05-11-2007, 04:01 PM
Going to a strip club before meeting with a commissioner to discuss your actions from a previous strip club incident = dumb.

People defending this guy = dumber.

Call it what you want, but that was a bonehead move. And the fact that this thread is already several pages long means that there actually is interest in this news, which means the media is not so stupid after all for reporting it.

someone447
05-11-2007, 04:50 PM
Going to a strip club before meeting with a commissioner to discuss your actions from a previous strip club incident = dumb.

People defending this guy = dumber.

Call it what you want, but that was a bonehead move. And the fact that this thread is already several pages long means that there actually is interest in this news, which means the media is not so stupid after all for reporting it.

HE DID NOTHING WRONG, WHY SHOULDN'T HE BE DEFENDED? Was what he did smart? No, of course not, but it isn't as dumb as many of you make it out to be. He is a 23 year old guy, the NFL should be thankful he didn't hire a hooker. The reason it is several pages long is the people like me who can give a damn if he went, but think it is hypocritical for others to be crucifying him for something that shouldn't matter in the slightest. That, and it is always fun to mock idiots(the people who tried to make analogies.)

dre1614
05-11-2007, 06:31 PM
ROFL, trouble just follows this guy.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/TEN/10177102



Titans' Jones pulled over for speeding Click here to find out more!
NFL.com wire reports


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (May 11, 2007) -- Nashville police ticketed Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones for speeding four days before his meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to appeal his season-long suspension.

Jones was stopped at 12:45 a.m. on May 7 on Interstate 65 heading into downtown after an officer clocked him on radar at 79 mph in a 55 mph zone. He was driving the 2004 Cadillac XLT sportscar he bought at police auction last fall with "PAC-MAN" embroidered into the seats.

Police spokesman Don Aaron said Jones also was cited for not having a driver's license with him.

The cornerback was in New York today to meet with Goodell for the second time since April 3. The commissioner needed a week after the first hearing to suspend Jones for the 2007 season for conduct detrimental to the NFL. Jones called that penalty too harsh and appealed to Goodell for leniency.

songofthesword
05-11-2007, 07:11 PM
the only guy in the NFL were speeding gets national headlines

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
05-11-2007, 07:15 PM
Well he was going 25 over the limit. It's not so much that if this were, say Tom Brady it wouldn't be news. It wouldn't. But if PacMan is trying to clean up his image, he really shouldnt be speeding. He's a moron.

smittyjs
05-11-2007, 08:51 PM
Doing 78 on I 65 is normal in non rush hour traffic LOL......

dre1614
05-11-2007, 09:16 PM
Not to mention driving without his license?

Come on for a guy who needs to clean up his image, its obvious he is all talk and no substance.

He don't give a ****. Its pretty obvious

GiantRutgersFan
05-11-2007, 09:24 PM
Pacman told the Commish he had a self imposed midnight curfew. the speeding ticket proved he was out after midnight.

OzTitan
05-14-2007, 11:32 PM
Pacman doesn't "get it" yet because he probably thinks he can get it sorted out with an appeal and/or legal action against the NFL. I think it will hit him hard come week 1 of the regular season when he's sitting at home with the same suspension terms as stated before.

I don't give a crap what he does off the field as long as it doesn't effect his availability on it. While I still think any suspension should actually wait for the law, it's clear now the NFL are taking it into their own hands and that breaking the law isn't necessarily a requirement for suspension, so I think doing this the night before meeting with the commish is very stupid, if only for the fact that something could have happened yet again. Just because nothing did happen doesn't mean it wasn't stupid for taking that risk once again, the night before an important meeting at that.

steelersfan43
05-15-2007, 12:06 AM
what an idiot.

eacantdraft
05-15-2007, 08:51 AM
Pacman doesn't get it and I think many of his supporters don't get it either.