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Yung Flippa
05-10-2007, 05:39 PM
Who do you guys think is the best safety in the League?

I would go with Ed Reed Easily!!

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:40 PM
Ed Reed has it at this point. Brian Dawkins gets honourable mention.

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 05:40 PM
Kerry Rhodes.

skinzzfan25
05-10-2007, 05:41 PM
Landry + ST

Sike Reed. Give Landry 2-3 seasons see if he can emerge as number 1.

Moses
05-10-2007, 05:42 PM
Kerry Rhodes.

http://www.shafted.com.au/photos/albums/funnies/b/normal_BanHim.jpg

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 05:48 PM
http://www.shafted.com.au/photos/albums/funnies/b/normal_BanHim.jpg

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/64/Thoufailethit.jpg

RoyHall#1
05-10-2007, 05:51 PM
Homer comment: Sean Jones

In 2 years Jones, but right now Brian Dawkins

High Roller
05-10-2007, 05:53 PM
Reed with Dawkins close #2

SeanTaylorRIP
05-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Ed Reed no questions, no if's ands or buts.

Rob S
05-10-2007, 06:04 PM
Reed easily........

Go_Eagles77
05-10-2007, 06:16 PM
I'd take Brian Dawkins in his prime over Reed any day, but today Reed is the better safety, but Dawk is still very close IMO.

Bengals1690
05-10-2007, 06:18 PM
id take taylor over reed, but i have no idea why.

bored of education
05-10-2007, 06:20 PM
Jarrad Page!!!

terribletowel39
05-10-2007, 06:23 PM
i don't know why B-Dawk is even being mentioned with Reed. and the Homer in me wants to throw out Troy's name. but him being injured last year hurt his image. but he is still the 2nd best in my honest and non-homeristic opinion.

The Unseen
05-10-2007, 06:26 PM
Reggie Nelson...

...oh yeah, I meant the current Ed Reed. Ed Reed is the best.

Bengals1690
05-10-2007, 06:27 PM
madieu williams is severley underated

terribletowel39
05-10-2007, 06:30 PM
madieu williams is severley underated
get out of here with that mess.

this isn't underrated safeties. the topic is best. nowhere is he near.

America
05-10-2007, 06:35 PM
I'd take Brian Dawkins in his prime over Reed any day, but today Reed is the better safety, but Dawk is still very close IMO.

I think it's very close almost to a point of 1a and 1b, but Dawkins is still kind of in his prime despite his age. He is still incredibly dominant in almost every facet of the game.

jsagan77
05-10-2007, 06:35 PM
ED Reed


B-Dawk/Sean Taylor

Rest of the NFL

SenorGato
05-10-2007, 06:35 PM
I really like Reed and Taylor.

In 2 years it'll be Rhodes and Taylor.

Go_Eagles77
05-10-2007, 06:36 PM
i don't know why B-Dawk is even being mentioned with Reed. and the Homer in me wants to throw out Troy's name. but him being injured last year hurt his image. but he is still the 2nd best in my honest and non-homeristic opinion.

How can you question B-Dawk being mentioned and then say Polamalu can be? Troy's a beast and it can be argued that he is better than Dawk now, but it definately isn't by as large a margin as you make it out to be. However I admit I am biased as well.

tom
05-10-2007, 06:40 PM
id take taylor over reed, but i have no idea why.

Ike taylor is a cornerback! WORD!

Troy Polomalu best safety, Ike taylor best cornerback!

Woody56
05-10-2007, 06:50 PM
Now - Ed Reed

Future - Kerry Rhodes

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 06:50 PM
Homer comment: Sean Jones

In 2 years Jones, but right now Brian Dawkins

That comment alone should get you banned for eternity because obviously you lack any type of knowledge about the NFL. Dawkins would get the lifetime award for best of this era but the answer to the question of who's the best is Ed Reed. Once his name was first mentioned the thread was over.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 06:51 PM
Ike taylor is a cornerback! WORD!

Troy Polomalu best safety, Ike taylor best cornerback!

Don't post in this thread again please, I'm allergic to ridiculous homerism!

Chucky
05-10-2007, 06:54 PM
This is a very stupid thread, might as well start a best CB thread. Everyone knows the answer

Go_Eagles77
05-10-2007, 06:54 PM
This is a very stupid thread, might as well start a best CB thread. Everyone knows the answer

... Terrence Newman. jk

terribletowel39
05-10-2007, 06:59 PM
How can you question B-Dawk being mentioned and then say Polamalu can be? Troy's a beast and it can be argued that he is better than Dawk now, but it definately isn't by as large a margin as you make it out to be. However I admit I am biased as well.
because those two can change games. last thing anyone heard B-Dawk do was lay the wood on Alge Crumpler. atleast thats the last time i saw him on Sportscenter.

Bengals1690
05-10-2007, 07:01 PM
Ike taylor is a cornerback! WORD!

Troy Polomalu best safety, Ike taylor best cornerback!

sean taylor

terribletowel39
05-10-2007, 07:01 PM
guys tom is kidding.

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 07:02 PM
guys tom is kidding.

So he's not a really a Steelers? Ahh that is funny! :D

Bengals1690
05-10-2007, 07:03 PM
get out of here with that mess.

this isn't underrated safeties. the topic is best. nowhere is he near.

i know. but being that everyone knows that ed reed is the best saftey in the NFL, id tohught id post something else

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 07:04 PM
i know. but being that everyone knows that ed reed is the best saftey in the NFL, id tohught id post something else

And your thought failed but thanks for playing the game we have some lovely parting gifts for you.....

Bengals1690
05-10-2007, 07:06 PM
And your thought failed but thanks for playing the game we have some lovely parting gifts for you.....

Are you saying williams isnt a good safety?

BigDawg819
05-10-2007, 10:30 PM
Are you saying williams isnt a good safety?

At Maryland: yes, in Cincy: he's been adequate but nothing to write home about.

PACKmanN
05-10-2007, 10:51 PM
NICK COLLINS... lol jking

I got to pick Kerry Rhodes.

TitleTown088
05-10-2007, 10:53 PM
Marquand Manuel.

PACKmanN
05-10-2007, 10:55 PM
Marquand Manuel.

from the truth, aint no one better then him!!!! u need to read a "manuel" to get by him!

NickBam
05-10-2007, 10:56 PM
Easily Ed Reed.

cunningham06
05-10-2007, 10:59 PM
because those two can change games. last thing anyone heard B-Dawk do was lay the wood on Alge Crumpler. atleast thats the last time i saw him on Sportscenter.

You are extremely ignorant if you don't think Dawkins changes games. Without Dawkins there's a good chance we wouldn't have made the playoffs. Dawkins was the defensive player of the month for December. He had 3 picks, a sack, 28 tackles, 2FF in a period where we won a lot of close games. He led our struggling defense back and we made a playoff run. Dawkins is one of the most reliable tacklers in the NFL, he's the guy I would take if I could pick anyone to put back at the end of a game as the last line of defense against the big play. Dawkins instincts are fantastic, and coverage wise he's superior to Polamalu.

But Ed Reed is the best safety, pretty easy choice there.

Jensen
05-10-2007, 11:01 PM
Ed Reed. Homer pick to Adrian Wilson.

PalmerToCJ
05-10-2007, 11:02 PM
Ed Reed... Duh. Best Saftey combo would be a way better topic. Mostly because of all the Taylor/Landry posts we would get.

Concerning Madieu, he was very impressive his rookie year and early '05 (till his shoulder injury) but he was really just average last year. Didn't really hurt us but wasn't a big impact guy. I hope things come around next year.

PACKmanN
05-10-2007, 11:02 PM
because those two can change games. last thing anyone heard B-Dawk do was lay the wood on Alge Crumpler. atleast thats the last time i saw him on Sportscenter.

because teams plan schemes and plays to stay away form the other teams best players....

steelernation77
05-10-2007, 11:03 PM
Hands down...Anthony Smith.

Smokey Joe
05-10-2007, 11:06 PM
A couple years ago it was Brian Dawkins. Now it is Ed Reed (unstoppable)

ccB
05-10-2007, 11:24 PM
Dawan Landry easily.

GSOT
05-11-2007, 08:12 AM
Ed Reed hands down, i used to like Sean Taylor...but i lost a lot of respect for him when the Skins played the Rams and he was pretty bad, Steven Jackson owned him.

Caddy
05-11-2007, 08:16 AM
I'm a big Polamalu fan.

portermvp84
05-11-2007, 09:27 AM
B Dawkins us the best in the league, he's getting up there in age. He can still make the big plays and he can also still get the pics.

bennybee38
05-11-2007, 09:36 AM
now: sean taylor + ed reed
future: sean jones + laron landry

bored of education
05-11-2007, 09:47 AM
Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard!

leroyisgod
05-11-2007, 10:31 AM
I'd take Brian Dawkins in his prime over Reed any day, but today Reed is the better safety, but Dawk is still very close IMO.

Such a homer!!!

terribletowel39
05-11-2007, 10:36 AM
because teams plan schemes and plays to stay away form the other teams best players....
then wouldn't they do that with the Ravens?? Ed Reed still makes the plays.

ccB
05-11-2007, 12:07 PM
In all seriousness Ed Reed is undisputedly the best Safety in the league. My pick for the next in line after Reed retires will be Sean Jones, the kid is a beast and pretty well rounded.

DaBears9654
05-11-2007, 12:37 PM
IMO, it's a toss-up between Dawkins & Reed. I just say fooey on it and say they're the best in their respective conferences.

portermvp84
05-11-2007, 04:15 PM
Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard!

Pollard down the road is gonna be a BA.

terribletowel39
05-11-2007, 04:19 PM
Pollard down the road is gonna be a BM.
fixed it for you.

Nightmares Win 6-0
05-11-2007, 04:20 PM
glenn earl...

remix 6
05-11-2007, 04:27 PM
now: sean taylor + ed reed
future: sean jones + laron landry

when in the future? taylor and reed wont decline..only get better. they arent old or anything

fenikz
05-11-2007, 04:38 PM
Ed Reed, how many safeties are Defensive Player of the Year


Honorable Mentions:
Adrian Wilson
Brian Dawkins
Sean Taylor
Kenny Rhodes
Sean Jones

in that order

remix 6
05-11-2007, 05:18 PM
Ed Reed, how many safeties are Defensive Player of the Year


Honorable Mentions:
Adrian Wilson
Brian Dawkins
Sean Taylor
Kenny Rhodes
Sean Jones

in that order

wheres bob sanders?

terribletowel39
05-11-2007, 05:29 PM
wheres bob sanders?
agreed. Sean Taylor is the most physcally blessed safety in the league, yes but he isn't anywhere near as sound as these other guys. and keRRy rhodes and sean jones have had one good year and he is listing them ahead of guys like Sanders, Polamalu, and Williams. not a very good list of honorable mentions fenikz.

fenikz
05-11-2007, 06:03 PM
Hh sorry completely forgot about Bob Sanders & Troy Polamalu, ill put Bob Sander right below Dawkins, he might not have the athletic abilities of some of the other but he is pure heart & a true leader & Troy right below Taylor.

I feel Williams is extremely overrated and is actually a huge liability on the field

LitoSheppard
05-11-2007, 06:27 PM
Dawkins..People Saying Reed are Redskins fans and Ravens fans, and if your not one of them you don't know what you are talking about..

SeanTaylorRIP
05-11-2007, 06:28 PM
Dawkins..People Saying Reed are Redskins fans and Ravens fans, and if your not one of them you don't know what you are talking about..

What are you talking about, you pretty much called the entire forum dumb then.

terribletowel39
05-11-2007, 06:34 PM
Dawkins..People Saying Reed are Redskins fans and Ravens fans, and if your not one of them you don't know what you are talking about..
you are a eagles fan saying Dawkins which is the same thing the Ravens fans are doing. ??? me baffled. Dawkins isn't the best in the league anymore. get over it. he once was but he can't stay the best his entire career. Reed is the best safety in the NFL right now.

indyfan1985
05-11-2007, 08:43 PM
Lets go with the guy who played a HUGE role in the Champs playoff run and Superbowl game....

BOB SANDERS!!!

Hes still very young and is getting better every year. His coverage skills are very underrated as well.

jkpigskin
05-11-2007, 08:52 PM
Dawkins..People Saying Reed are Redskins fans and Ravens fans, and if your not one of them you don't know what you are talking about..

last time i checked, redskins fans and ravens fans do not exactly agree on alot of things
unless of course your ghettosermon ;)

d34ng3l021
05-11-2007, 10:22 PM
Homer alert:

In a few years, I really like Jimmy Williams at the FS position. I think he can be Dawkins-esque. Great athleticism and tackling and is a high energy guy who can step up and be the leader of our defense.

Otherwise: Ed Reed. I love my authentic Reed jersey that I got for 50 bucks. <3 eBay.

McBain
05-11-2007, 10:34 PM
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/JazzArmando_2006/eeralf.jpg

this thread is cool!

neko4
05-11-2007, 10:40 PM
1-Reed
2-Taylor
3-Dawkins
4-Sanders
5-Roy Williams
6-Polamalu
7-Madieu Williams
8-Wilson
9-Sharper
10-Hope
I dont really feel like explaining

fenikz
05-11-2007, 11:06 PM
1-Reed
2-Taylor
3-Dawkins
4-Sanders
5-Roy Williams
6-Polamalu
7-Madieu Williams
8-Wilson
9-Sharper
10-Hope
I dont really feel like explaining


your gonna need to, how is adrian wilson so low?

Phrost
05-11-2007, 11:09 PM
Sean Taylor is soooo overrated. He is physically gifted yes, but makes bad decisions when in pass coverage and is looking to lay the wood on every play.

neko4
05-11-2007, 11:16 PM
your gonna need to, how is adrian wilson so low?

because the 6 guys in front are better :)

SenorGato
05-11-2007, 11:22 PM
Sean Taylor is soooo overrated. He is physically gifted yes, but makes bad decisions when in pass coverage and is looking to lay the wood on every play.

He was the Skins defense last year. He was waaaaay stretched out for a safety.

Phrost
05-11-2007, 11:23 PM
He was the Skins defense last year. He was waaaaay stretched out for a safety.

I remember when he spit in Michael Pittman's face...typical Miami U thug.

sweetness34
05-11-2007, 11:26 PM
Adam Archuleta smokes all deese foos.

SenorGato
05-11-2007, 11:26 PM
I remember when he spit in Michael Pittman's face...typical Miami U thug.

Yea, but it doens't make him a lesser player. That just adds bias.

Aftermath
05-11-2007, 11:31 PM
He plays for the Ravens and his name rhymes with read.

cunningham06
05-12-2007, 12:14 AM
because the 6 guys in front are better :)

I love Madieu Williams but he isn't close to the player Wilson is.

sweetness34
05-12-2007, 12:51 AM
Adrian Wilson is the most underrated safety in the league, without a doubt. But a healthy Ed Reed is hands down the best in the game. That guy is simply incredible to watch.

fenikz
05-12-2007, 01:49 PM
will any one disagree with me saying that Adrian Wilson is the best SS in the league?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-12-2007, 02:35 PM
will any one disagree with me saying that Adrian Wilson is the best SS in the league?

Yes Ed Reed is better but Wilson is top 5 for me.

Moses
05-12-2007, 02:39 PM
Adrian Wilson is an insane athlete. Very fun to watch. Doesn't get much credit because of the team he plays for.

http://i1.tinypic.com/6hi6b5w.jpg

Yung Flippa
05-12-2007, 02:42 PM
you have a link to that video?

Moses
05-12-2007, 02:49 PM
you have a link to that video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL19q8yL54

Yung Flippa
05-12-2007, 03:06 PM
deng. dudes got SUPER up's

Paranoidmoonduck
05-12-2007, 03:32 PM
To be fair, a 66" vert doesn't make you a great safety (not saying Wilson isn't very good).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0P-22hhrW4

bored of education
05-12-2007, 03:37 PM
Yeah, measurables are cool to brag about but just saying your name is Ed Reed overshadows alllll measurables. I'm name my first born son or daughter Ed Reed.

terribletowel39
05-12-2007, 03:39 PM
and to be more fair, that isn't a vert jump. he practically knees himself in the face getting his feet over that. granted it probably is a 41-44 inch vert jump but nowhere near 66. not taking away anything from him though. he is still is good.

McBain
05-12-2007, 03:45 PM
I remember when he spit in Michael Pittman's face...typical Miami U thug.

I remember when Pittman beat his wife. Typical Tampa Bay Buccaneer. Damn pirates!

SeanTaylorRIP
05-12-2007, 03:54 PM
I remember when Pittman beat his wife. Typical Tampa Bay Buccaneer. Damn pirates!

He also rammed his SVU into his wifes car on purpose which also had their less than 1 year old toddler in it, he's an idiot.

Moses
05-12-2007, 04:07 PM
and to be more fair, that isn't a vert jump. he practically knees himself in the face getting his feet over that. granted it probably is a 41-44 inch vert jump but nowhere near 66. not taking away anything from him though. he is still is good.

Obviously but jumping a couple inches less than your height is very impressive.

terribletowel39
05-12-2007, 04:13 PM
Obviously but jumping a couple inches less than your height is very impressive.
oh yea i agree.

MP123
05-12-2007, 04:14 PM
He plays for the Ravens and his name rhymes with read.

It's a homophone. But yeah, it would have to be Ed Reed.

d34ng3l021
05-12-2007, 04:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msJePHnIHT4

Best safety evar.

Moses
05-12-2007, 04:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msJePHnIHT4

Best safety evar.

Nope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnB-rla8Lpg

Mr. Stiller
05-12-2007, 04:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0imu31yP2Fw

fenikz
05-12-2007, 04:45 PM
cars aren't that tall, id be willing to bet that i could nearly jump one

remix 6
05-12-2007, 04:48 PM
cars aren't that tall, id be willing to bet that i could nearly jump one

to jump that high and 2 passenger seats..id say its very impressive

fenikz
05-12-2007, 04:50 PM
id bet id land about 2/3 of the way through on the roof

TheChampIsHere
05-12-2007, 04:53 PM
Ed Reed hands down.

Polamalu and Dawkins are clearly 2 and 3.

Moses
05-12-2007, 04:59 PM
id bet id land about 2/3 of the way through on the roof

Get real. You wouldn't even get onto the roof.

PackerLegend
05-12-2007, 05:24 PM
Ill change it up a little Ed Reed then Dawkins. :)

Nalej
05-12-2007, 06:51 PM
Rodney Harrison... when healthy, he makes the Pats secondary over-achieve like a mofo

remix 6
05-12-2007, 07:13 PM
Rodney Harrison... when healthy, he makes the Pats secondary over-achieve like a mofo

Rodney is a great player..but not top 5 safety anymore.

and yes im a Patriots fan.

fenikz
05-12-2007, 07:16 PM
Get real. You wouldn't even get onto the roof.

i could easily jump on the roof, i've been dunking since i was 16 & i was 6'0 then

Moses
05-12-2007, 11:43 PM
i could easily jump on the roof, i've been dunking since i was 16 & i was 6'0 then

Video or you can't.

RedAttack
05-13-2007, 12:15 AM
Adrian Wilson has 14 sacks and 8 interceptions over the last three years. People who don't believe he is one of the best in the NFL have lost their minds.

remix 6
05-13-2007, 07:22 AM
Adrian Wilson has 14 sacks and 8 interceptions over the last three years. People who don't believe he is one of the best in the NFL have lost their minds.

stats dont mean ****. Hes #2

Achilles33
05-13-2007, 07:29 AM
I'd take Taylor over all of them. He is just a freak. I am a Cowboys fan as well. Landry in a few years.

Addict
05-13-2007, 07:36 AM
Reed's #1... after that there's a lot of contenders, but...

Dawkins
Sanders/Taylor (can't decide)
A.Wilson
Sean Jones
Kerry Rhodes

KWill93
05-13-2007, 10:01 AM
Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins easily.

BLACKnGOLD
05-13-2007, 02:32 PM
Polomalu has been injury plagues since his superbowl, but he is still young and he was DOMINATING during the steelers 15-1 season and their superbowl season.

I'd say:
Reed
Troy
Rhodes
Wilson
Taylor

Moses
05-13-2007, 02:33 PM
Polomalu has been injury plagues since his superbowl, but he is still young and he was DOMINATING during the steelers 15-1 season and their superbowl season.

I'd say:
Reed
Troy
Rhodes
Wilson
Taylor

No Dawkins?

Hines
05-13-2007, 02:42 PM
it is ed reed

honorable mention is
b dawk
troy
s taylor
bob sanders (if he was 5-11 hed probably be the best saftey in the league)
a wil ( from az so i see him a lot)

Hines
05-13-2007, 02:58 PM
i forgot mike brown when healthy
hes a beast

Addict
05-13-2007, 03:03 PM
i forgot mike brown when healthy
hes a beast

which is... never.

Roy Williams? or do his pass coverage skills (or lack thereof) push him out?

Hines
05-13-2007, 03:21 PM
which is... never.

Roy Williams? or do his pass coverage skills (or lack thereof) push him out?


i really dont like roy williams
i think he is vastly overrated and dont deserve honorable mention cuz the guys i mentioned r way better imo

BigDawg819
05-13-2007, 05:03 PM
If you have to include the statement "when healthy" to a player in this topic then that entry is null and void. Ed Reed is the clear winner and the rest don't matter because they're not number 1!

Moses
05-13-2007, 05:36 PM
If you have to include the statement "when healthy" to a player in this topic then that entry is null and void. Ed Reed is the clear winner and the rest don't matter because they're not number 1!

Hence why the most overrated safety on this board, Bob Sanders, should be removed from any list. He's been productive for one season in his NFL career. He has 2 career interceptions and 4 career pass breakups. Numbers don't tell the whole story, but they tell a lot in this case. He simply hasn't been on the field enough to be in the same group as guys like Reed, Dawkins, Polamalu, Taylor, etc.

Dam8610
05-14-2007, 12:05 AM
Hence why the most overrated safety on this board, Bob Sanders, should be removed from any list. He's been productive for one season in his NFL career. He has 2 career interceptions and 4 career pass breakups. Numbers don't tell the whole story, but they tell a lot in this case. He simply hasn't been on the field enough to be in the same group as guys like Reed, Dawkins, Polamalu, Taylor, etc.

Bob Sanders is not overrated. How many other safeties in the league by their play alone have turned a mediocre defense into a championship caliber defense? He was also an All-Pro and Pro-Bowl starter in his one fully healthy year. As for him "not being on the field enough", he was going to be hurt for most of the 2004 season coming in because of his injury in college, and they held him out of games he could have played in 2006, and admitted to doing so afterward. Do you consider it coincedence that Bob was able to play against New England and almost no other team after his knee injury? Also, the way the Colts handled some games throughout the season, such as playing backups on defense for most of the game at Houston (watch the tape if you don't believe me), they did seem to show concern for player health for the postseason during the regular season. So your reasoning is that because the team likely held him out for most of the regular season so that he'd be healthy for the postseason (an admission the team made that is backed up by on field evidence), he's overrated? Seems like a pretty weak argument to me.

reese
05-16-2007, 01:50 AM
Sean Taylor is soooo overrated. He is physically gifted yes, but makes bad decisions when in pass coverage and is looking to lay the wood on every play.


that just doesnt make any sense

Jughead10
05-16-2007, 09:01 AM
What is everyone's obsession with safeties? It is argueably the least important position on the field.

BigDawg819
05-16-2007, 09:49 AM
What is everyone's obsession with safeties? It is argueably the least important position on the field.

Safety is the "Quarterback" of the defense, hence its importance.

Jughead10
05-16-2007, 09:51 AM
Safety is the "Quarterback" of the defense, hence its importance.

Wrong again. Your MIKE is most often the "Quarterback" of the defense. On most teams this is the case. There are a few exceptions.

BigDawg819
05-16-2007, 09:56 AM
Wrong again. Your MIKE is most often the "Quarterback" of the defense. On most teams this is the case. There are a few exceptions.

Wrong? The real QB of the Defense is a Safety because he's the one looking over the entire field and making decisions, MIKE's for the most part are overrated at times. Of course since you're probably a Giants fan I would be a fan of the safety position either.....

Jughead10
05-16-2007, 09:59 AM
Wrong? The real QB of the Defense is a Safety because he's the one looking over the entire field and making decisions, MIKE's for the most part are overrated at times. Of course since you're probably a Giants fan I would be a fan of the safety position either.....

I beg to differ. The MLB makes all the calls on the defense and all the audibles I would say on 90% of the teams in the NFL. The MIKE is overrated? How many MIKEs are there in the NFL HOF compared to safeties? There is a reason not many safeties go in th top 10 in the draft and when they do it generally open eyes of people to either A) Say the player is an absolute special talent or B) criticize the team selecting the safety for making a bad decision.

BigDawg819
05-16-2007, 10:02 AM
I beg to differ. The MLB makes all the calls on the defense and all the audibles I would say on 90% of the teams in the NFL. The MIKE is overrated? How many MIKEs are there in the NFL HOF compared to safeties? There is a reason not many safeties go in th top 10 in the draft and when they do it generally open eyes of people to either A) Say the player is an absolute special talent or B) criticize the team selecting the safety for making a bad decision.

Or maybe the position is undervalued like Tight End was for many years. Bottomline this thread is about safeties so why would you come in and complain about it, its ridiculous. If you don't like a thread topic just ignore it!

Jughead10
05-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Or maybe the position is undervalued like Tight End was for many years. Bottomline this thread is about safeties so why would you come in and complain about it, its ridiculous. If you don't like a thread topic just ignore it!

There is always an unusually large amount of talk about safeties on the board. I actually wanted someone to give me a intelligent reason why they seem to be so popular when in fact they might be the least important position on defense. You did not provide that intelligent reason.

Bengals1690
05-16-2007, 10:08 AM
What is everyone's obsession with safeties? It is argueably the least important position on the field.

which is why the Colts D was 8585843435 times better with bob sanders than with out him.

Jughead10
05-16-2007, 10:13 AM
which is why the Colts D was 8585843435 times better with bob sanders than with out him.

That is true. But I believe it has little to do with the importance of the safety position in general, although it is valued more highly in Tampa 2 schemes. The Colts were just in a unique position where Bob Sanders is apparently the only guy who can tackle on their team. Because we sure as hell know that their D-Line and LBs can't.

Bengals1690
05-16-2007, 10:16 AM
That is true. But I believe it has little to do with the importance of the safety position in general, although it is valued more highly in Tampa 2 schemes. The Colts were just in a unique position where Bob Sanders is apparently the only guy who can tackle on their team. Because we sure as hell know that their D-Line and LBs can't.

i agree that there are other more important positions, but when you have a true game breaking safety on your team, it takes your defense to the next level.

Jughead10
05-16-2007, 10:19 AM
In my opinion, there may only be 2 or 3 actual game breaking safeties in the league. If that. Its hard to be a game breaking or changing safety because they play so far away from the line of scrimmage. Which is why in general they have diminished value.

Phrost
05-16-2007, 02:49 PM
I beg to differ. The MLB makes all the calls on the defense and all the audibles I would say on 90% of the teams in the NFL. The MIKE is overrated? How many MIKEs are there in the NFL HOF compared to safeties? There is a reason not many safeties go in th top 10 in the draft and when they do it generally open eyes of people to either A) Say the player is an absolute special talent or B) criticize the team selecting the safety for making a bad decision.

I am afraid almost all posters on here, including myself, have to agree with Juggy. You see LBs, usually Mikes, calling plays and whatnot.

Phrost
05-16-2007, 02:50 PM
Back to the discussion at hand, I believe that Kenny Phillips will be the best safety if the league as early as 2010.

reese
05-17-2007, 01:05 AM
Back to the discussion at hand, I believe that Kenny Phillips will be the best safety if the league as early as 2010.

ur joking right?

Moses
05-17-2007, 01:09 AM
Bob Sanders is not overrated. How many other safeties in the league by their play alone have turned a mediocre defense into a championship caliber defense? He was also an All-Pro and Pro-Bowl starter in his one fully healthy year. As for him "not being on the field enough", he was going to be hurt for most of the 2004 season coming in because of his injury in college, and they held him out of games he could have played in 2006, and admitted to doing so afterward. Do you consider it coincedence that Bob was able to play against New England and almost no other team after his knee injury? Also, the way the Colts handled some games throughout the season, such as playing backups on defense for most of the game at Houston (watch the tape if you don't believe me), they did seem to show concern for player health for the postseason during the regular season. So your reasoning is that because the team likely held him out for most of the regular season so that he'd be healthy for the postseason (an admission the team made that is backed up by on field evidence), he's overrated? Seems like a pretty weak argument to me.

Huh? I don't understand this post. Why would the Colts hold out a player to save him for the playoffs. I've never heard of anything like that happening.

CC.SD
05-17-2007, 03:39 AM
Huh? I don't understand this post. Why would the Colts hold out a player to save him for the playoffs. I've never heard of anything like that happening.

Well, it's not like he was totally healthy; he could have played, but they rested him because obviously Postseason games are more important. They didn't risk sidetracking his rehab.



Safeties are the QB of a defense too.

jsagan77
05-17-2007, 04:14 AM
Put Ed Reed on the Skins last year and Put Taylor on Balt's D and Taylor would be everyone's new choice for best safety in the league..

The skins sucked so bad last year they could have made a sammitch out of that swiss cheese D... Hopefully we can fix that this year and have Taylor get the "overated" stigma off his rep..

tylerb929
05-17-2007, 07:48 AM
Huh? I don't understand this post. Why would the Colts hold out a player to save him for the playoffs. I've never heard of anything like that happening.

Because all Bob Sanders does is fly around and cause pain (to the opponent and himself). Unfortunately he does have an injury problem, but even with that said he's still a top 5 safety in the league. His hands haven't always been the best (he's getting better, he had 3 INTs in the last 6 games), but he can cover and make plays against the run like nobody else.

So whats not to understand, you sit him out, still make the playoffs, and then ride his ability to the SuperBowl (literally he would EASILY have been the Colts "Playoff MVP"). Or, you could play him through the season, he'd get hurt (5'8" 200 lbs), and you'd be one and done.



Reed
Dawkins
Sanders
Polamalu
A Wilson

constant cough
05-17-2007, 08:28 AM
Gotta be Ed Reed.


Reed
Dawkins
Sanders
Polamalu
Taylor

Moses
05-17-2007, 12:37 PM
Because all Bob Sanders does is fly around and cause pain (to the opponent and himself). Unfortunately he does have an injury problem, but even with that said he's still a top 5 safety in the league. His hands haven't always been the best (he's getting better, he had 3 INTs in the last 6 games), but he can cover and make plays against the run like nobody else.

So whats not to understand, you sit him out, still make the playoffs, and then ride his ability to the SuperBowl (literally he would EASILY have been the Colts "Playoff MVP"). Or, you could play him through the season, he'd get hurt (5'8" 200 lbs), and you'd be one and done.



Reed
Dawkins
Sanders
Polamalu
A Wilson

Any player that you can't depend on to play an entire season cannot be rated anywhere near a top 5 list. That is just ridiculous.

Sanders has played well at times, but he's barely been on the field. His statitistics are extremely modest and he simply hasn't shown enough to warrant top 5 selection in my opinion.

tylerb929
05-17-2007, 01:06 PM
If Bob Sanders hadn't played in the playoffs, LJ would have gone for atleast 150 yards, Jamal Lewis would have gone for atleast 100 yards, and Maroney and Dillon would have gone for atleast 150 yards.

Instead, LJ got 32 yards rushing, Lewis got 52 yards rushing., and Maroney and Dillon went for 61 yards rushing combined.

Other players stepped up to, don't get me wrong. But Bob Sanders had A LOT to do with it, he brings a leader (both physically and mentally) to the defense and makes everyone around him better. He's definately a top 5 safety in the league.

Mr. Stiller
05-17-2007, 01:15 PM
If Bob Sanders hadn't played in the playoffs, LJ would have gone for atleast 150 yards, Jamal Lewis would have gone for atleast 100 yards, and Maroney and Dillon would have gone for atleast 150 yards.

Instead, LJ got 32 yards rushing, Lewis got 52 yards rushing., and Maroney and Dillon went for 61 yards rushing combined.

Other players stepped up to, don't get me wrong. But Bob Sanders had A LOT to do with it, he brings a leader (both physically and mentally) to the defense and makes everyone around him better. He's definately a top 5 safety in the league.

God I love hypotheticals.

Who knows what the hell LJ, Lewis and Maroney/Dillon would've had with our without Bob Sanders.

Ho0k Em'
05-17-2007, 01:29 PM
Put Ed Reed on the Skins last year and Put Taylor on Balt's D and Taylor would be everyone's new choice for best safety in the league..

The skins sucked so bad last year they could have made a sammitch out of that swiss cheese D... Hopefully we can fix that this year and have Taylor get the "overated" stigma off his rep..

No, Reed would still be the best safety in the league.

Dam8610
05-18-2007, 12:22 AM
What is everyone's obsession with safeties? It is argueably the least important position on the field.

Tell that to the two Super Bowl teams from last season.

Huh? I don't understand this post. Why would the Colts hold out a player to save him for the playoffs. I've never heard of anything like that happening.

I don't know why they did it, just that they admitted to doing it, and that their handling of certain in-game situations during the season suggests that they would do something of that nature.

Any player that you can't depend on to play an entire season cannot be rated anywhere near a top 5 list. That is just ridiculous.

Sanders has played well at times, but he's barely been on the field. His statitistics are extremely modest and he simply hasn't shown enough to warrant top 5 selection in my opinion.

He's only been in the league for 3 full seasons, and the Colts didn't even expect him to start in the first of those 3. So, basically, he's been healthy in one of two seasons he was expected to play thus far, and was the key to a title run in the year he wasn't healthy.

cunningham06
05-18-2007, 12:35 AM
There is always an unusually large amount of talk about safeties on the board. I actually wanted someone to give me a intelligent reason why they seem to be so popular when in fact they might be the least important position on defense. You did not provide that intelligent reason.

That depends on the defense, safeties can make or break a defense. Look at the Cowboys for example. Their safeties gave up too many plays, several which were over the top which they should have knocked down. Safeties are very important in Philadelphia's defense, our run defense went to **** once Michael Lewis was out and Considine was in. Considine did much better against the pass, but wasn't close to the force against the run that Lewis was. If a defense has a playmaker at safety, then the defensive coordinator needs to build the defense so that the safety is a key player. I disagree that you can say any position on defense is the least important, especially in the secondary where a mistake often means a touchdown.

Moses
05-18-2007, 12:37 AM
Tell that to the two Super Bowl teams from last season.



I don't know why they did it, just that they admitted to doing it, and that their handling of certain in-game situations during the season suggests that they would do something of that nature.



He's only been in the league for 3 full seasons, and the Colts didn't even expect him to start in the first of those 3. So, basically, he's been healthy in one of two seasons he was expected to play thus far, and was the key to a title run in the year he wasn't healthy.

He's still overrated by most and not a top 5 safety. He hasn't proven that he's in that upper echelon yet. Even a guy like Sean Taylor has made more big plays than Sanders.

cunningham06
05-18-2007, 12:40 AM
Sanders is close to top 5, maybe #6, but I wouldn't feel comfortable putting him over Reed, Dawkins, Polamalu, Wilson, or Sean Taylor. I want to see more from Sanders and Kherry Rhodes before they become worthy of top 5 status. If Taylor doesn't really pick it up this season he's out I give him the benefit of the doubt because their defense was awful last season.

Dam8610
05-18-2007, 04:17 AM
He's still overrated by most and not a top 5 safety. He hasn't proven that he's in that upper echelon yet.

What does he have to do? He was All-Pro and an AFC starting Pro-Bowl FS in his one healthy season thus far, and in the season which he didn't see the field much during the regular season, he sparked a title run.

Even a guy like Sean Taylor has made more big plays than Sanders.

Maybe if you're judging by numbers. Show me Sean Taylor's 3rd and 4 play where he sniffs out a curl route, bats the pass away, and gets the ball back for his team when they most desperately needed a possession. The numbers don't tell the whole story in Bob's case.

BigDawg819
05-18-2007, 08:12 AM
What does he have to do? He was All-Pro and an AFC starting Pro-Bowl FS in his one healthy season thus far, and in the season which he didn't see the field much during the regular season, he sparked a title run.


You answered your own question, he has to stay healthy! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you have to use the phrase "when healthy" in an argument for a player then your argument is null and void.

bored of education
05-18-2007, 09:51 AM
You answered your own question, he has to stay healthy! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you have to use the phrase "when healthy" in an argument for a player then your argument is null and void.


www.truth.com

Acreboy
05-18-2007, 11:18 AM
Josh Bullocks..er Ed Reed.

Moses
05-18-2007, 12:44 PM
What does he have to do? He was All-Pro and an AFC starting Pro-Bowl FS in his one healthy season thus far, and in the season which he didn't see the field much during the regular season, he sparked a title run.



Maybe if you're judging by numbers. Show me Sean Taylor's 3rd and 4 play where he sniffs out a curl route, bats the pass away, and gets the ball back for his team when they most desperately needed a possession. The numbers don't tell the whole story in Bob's case.

Sanders has had a few good games. That doesn't put him up there with the likes of Reed, Dawkins, etc. The numbers never tell the whole story, but they tell part of it. How can a guy 152 tackles, no sacks, 2 interceptions, and 4 passes defended in 3 years be considered a top safety?

As for Sean Taylor, here are some of his 2005 highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3OzdmyVOk

Taylor had more big plays in that one season than Sanders has had his entire career.

eacantdraft
05-18-2007, 12:47 PM
Ed Reed. Certainly is not Roy (Oklahoma) Williams.

CC.SD
05-18-2007, 02:32 PM
Bob Sanders definitely has more of an impact on his defense than Sean Taylor, but that doesn't mean he's the better safety. Indy's run D is still awful (how did they pass on Branch at 32?) and Sanders is a killer in the box. I really like both players, don't get me wrong, but ST is still developing, and in a few years all those tools will combo with legit experience and he'll be the elite at the position. If he doesn't go nuts, or go to jail.

Phrost
05-18-2007, 03:39 PM
Why is this thread still going on? After someone said Ed Reed, this thread should have been over.

Dam8610
05-18-2007, 06:17 PM
You answered your own question, he has to stay healthy! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you have to use the phrase "when healthy" in an argument for a player then your argument is null and void.

THREE seasons, one of which he wasn't expected to play. Give him more than two seasons to show whether or not he can stay healthy.

Sanders has had a few good games. That doesn't put him up there with the likes of Reed, Dawkins, etc. The numbers never tell the whole story, but they tell part of it. How can a guy 152 tackles, no sacks, 2 interceptions, and 4 passes defended in 3 years be considered a top safety?

Because in his first year he wasn't even expected to play, in his second year he was one of the top 2 safeties in the league (granted, Ed Reed was hurt, but it's still pretty hard to argue when he made the All-Pro team and helped make the Colts' defense into one of the top units in the league), and in his third year, he got hurt, held back for the postseason by the team, and sparked a championship run upon returning to the team.

Bob Sanders definitely has more of an impact on his defense than Sean Taylor, but that doesn't mean he's the better safety.

Why? Because Taylor has more "potential"? He's been in the league for a while now, so he should be putting all this "potential" to use.

Indy's run D is still awful (how did they pass on Branch at 32?) and Sanders is a killer in the box.

It wasn't awful in the playoffs, in large part because of Sanders, but how can you say the Colts' run defense is still awful when you have no idea what impact the new players will have? Passing on Branch at 32 happened because he doesn't fit the scheme AT ALL (rarely will you find a DT over 300 pounds in a Tampa 2 scheme), plus there were questions about his work ethic.

I really like both players, don't get me wrong, but ST is still developing, and in a few years all those tools will combo with legit experience and he'll be the elite at the position. If he doesn't go nuts, or go to jail.

So if Taylor is still developing, wouldn't that mean Bob is still developing too? Or have you arbitrarily decided that one has reached his peak while the other hasn't based on your own opinion? They've both played 3 years in the league, so it's not like Bob has the advantage of more experience. If anything, Taylor has the advantage in that department.