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Smokey Joe
05-10-2007, 07:15 PM
Today for football we ran our 40's, and this one kid ran a 4.44 for. We were on the track, and we have a fast track, in the direction of the wind (it was a slight breeze, nothing much though) and the sophomore who ran the 40 was wearing track shoes, but damn. 4.44 for a 16 year old is crazy. Also, he squats about 370 I think it was. To top that off, this kid is about 5'8"-5'9" and only weighs like 170. That is crazy...

Bengals1690
05-10-2007, 07:16 PM
Today for football we ran our 40's, and this one kid ran a 4.44 for. We were on the track, and we have a fast track, in the direction of the wind (it was a slight breeze, nothing much though) and the sophomore who ran the 40 was wearing track shoes, but damn. 4.44 for a 16 year old is crazy. Also, he squats about 370 I think it was. To top that off, this kid is about 5'8"-5'9" and only weighs like 170. That is crazy...

wow. well we had an 18 year old named orlado run a 4.40 once but he as 18. thats just crazy right there

princefielder28
05-10-2007, 07:18 PM
I have a kid that I played football with this year, he's about 6'0" 230 lbs, runs about a 4.45, and bench max is well over 300. He's a junior.

Flyboy
05-10-2007, 07:19 PM
Yeah, that's not too out of the ordinary at all. At least when I was in high school around here.

nobodyinparticular
05-10-2007, 07:26 PM
It's ordinary for fast kids. It's nothing to sneeze at for sure, but it's not absolutely insane.

Moses
05-10-2007, 07:27 PM
Obviously if a kid runs a 4.4 he is very fast but it's not unheard of. 4.4-4.6 times are common for top high school recruits.

awfullyquiet
05-10-2007, 07:29 PM
a 4.44 40... probably can run an 11.2 100....

i don't even want to think about how fast i can run a 100...

Smokey Joe
05-10-2007, 07:37 PM
Well, I forgot to mention he is on kreotine... but even so, it amazes me someone so small (he isnt big at all) can run a 40 that fast and squat so much.

MP123
05-10-2007, 07:43 PM
a 4.44 40... probably can run an 11.2 100....

i don't even want to think about how fast i can run a 100...

My forty is like 5.8.

bantx
05-10-2007, 07:54 PM
there was a guy that ran a 4.26, he graduated already but he ran that as a sophmore..he played football but wasnt very good, but ran track. hes running for some school in kansas now he says hes 10th in the nation. but i dunno he did run a 4.26....but 10th in the nation? i dunno

scottyboy
05-10-2007, 07:57 PM
is being able to bench 600, run a 4.35 40 and do 50 pull ups normal for a 16 year old?

awfullyquiet
05-10-2007, 08:03 PM
My forty is like 5.8.

i have short little legs.
i think i run the 100 in 18 seconds? something ridiculously sucky.
sure i might run fast for my stride, but, when you're...
yeah.

remix 6
05-10-2007, 08:31 PM
remember that guy on this board who thought hes faster than Reggie bush? He was about 15 and ran with basketball shoes on concrete at night. He compared his video to Reggie's and said if he was officially timed..it would be 4.38-4.40

someone447
05-10-2007, 08:33 PM
You can't put much stock into high school coaches timing. Especially hand timed on a track with a breeze at his back.

cunningham06
05-10-2007, 08:53 PM
Well, I forgot to mention he is on kreotine... but even so, it amazes me someone so small (he isnt big at all) can run a 40 that fast and squat so much.

You can't attribute that to Creatine. Creatine aids muscle recovery time and allows you to get more reps and last longer, for things such as all out sprints like the 40, Creatine has a marginal effect.

Smokey Joe
05-10-2007, 09:17 PM
You can't attribute that to Creatine. Creatine aids muscle recovery time and allows you to get more reps and last longer, for things such as all out sprints like the 40, Creatine has a marginal effect.
Squating is where you get most your speed. Being able to squat a lot will help your speed. Taking kreotine to add to your muscle adds speed.

But I am a dummy anyway, and probably wrong.

Acreboy
05-10-2007, 09:18 PM
I work with a guy who beat Skyler Green in a footrace in HS.

Skyler was only a sophomore and my friend was a senior but still. My friend used to run a 4.2 before he had his ACL injury.

MP123
05-10-2007, 09:18 PM
i have short little legs.
i think i run the 100 in 18 seconds? something ridiculously sucky.
sure i might run fast for my stride, but, when you're...
yeah.

I should run faster being 5'7" and 145 lbs.

awfullyquiet
05-10-2007, 09:21 PM
I should run faster being 5'7" and 145 lbs.

yeah you should. you're light as a feather.

i on the other hand, have 0 chance (and zero desire)

nobodyinparticular
05-10-2007, 09:26 PM
You can't attribute that to Creatine. Creatine aids muscle recovery time and allows you to get more reps and last longer, for things such as all out sprints like the 40, Creatine has a marginal effect.

You are half right. The truth is that Creatine mostly aids in recovery time by replenishing the energy muscles use (ATP) so you are right there.

But in events that require sudden bursts of energy such as swinging a bat, vertical jumps and running the 40 yard dash--anything that exerts an extreme amount of energy over a duration less than about 6 seconds--the body uses the ATP-Phosphocreatine system. That's right. Creatine.


The body has 3 different energy systems--the phosphocreatine as I already mentioned, the glycolytic and the oxidative system. As the name suggests, the oxidative system uses oxygen in the chemical reaction for burning energy--the other two, however, don't. The oxidative system is also the fat burning system. This is when you are doing very long workouts like running 2 miles or more--at least, in general it is this way. (think aerobics--meaning "with air")

The glycolytic system uses glucose as its main form of energy in a process called glycosis. This is used anywhere between running the 100m dash to 1-2 miles, depending on what shape you are in. This system uses a combination of aerobic and anaerobic chemical processes.

And then the ATP-phosphocreatine system uses adenedinetriphosphide and phosphocreatine (a molecular combination of phosphorous and creatine). This system is completely anaerobic. It is over very short durations but very high exertions--like I previously explained. Lifting weights is another example of the ATP-PCr system in action.



So the creatine certainly is beneficial in running the 40 yard dash in a two-fold sense. One, it allows you to train harder and recover more quickly, thus helping you with your burst. But it also helps by supplying more ATP-PCr to your muscles when you are using them at the time of running the 40. Some athletes peak out in speed early in their 40 yard dash because their bodies have to shift systems between the ATP-PCr system and the glycolytic system--for the sole fact that their muscles run out of ATP-PCr to burn.

**Note: You will find different opinions on how long each system lasts. For the oxidative and the glycolytic systems, it depends on your physical fitness on how much you are able to exert yourself in the oxidative energy system. Really fat, out of shape people will almost immediately move into the glycolytic system just because they are not in shape. The best long distance athletes are able to stay in the oxidative system for a very high exertion point.

And then with the ATP-PCr system, there is just a difference in opinions. Some will say 6 seconds, some will say a maximum of 10, and others will say even 15 seconds. Either way, it encompasses the 40 yard dash completely.

nobodyinparticular
05-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Squating is where you get most your speed. Being able to squat a lot will help your speed. Taking kreotine to add to your muscle adds speed.

But I am a dummy anyway, and probably wrong.

It's spelled creatine... just to be clear...

critesy
05-10-2007, 09:27 PM
I work with a guy who beat Skyler Green in a footrace in HS.

Skyler was only a sophomore and my friend was a senior but still. My friend used to run a 4.2 before he had his ACL injury.


dammm, thats fast.

nobodyinparticular
05-10-2007, 09:28 PM
dammm, thats fast.

He's still got nothing on KMH. I'll bet KickMikeHass can run a 3.8.

awfullyquiet
05-10-2007, 09:29 PM
You are half right. The truth is that Creatine mostly aids in recovery time by replenishing the energy muscles use (ATP) so you are right there.

But in events that require sudden bursts of energy such as swinging a bat, vertical jumps and running the 40 yard dash--anything that exerts an extreme amount of energy over a duration less than about 6 seconds--the body uses the ATP-Phosphocreatine system. That's right. Creatine.



okay. so where do you know this from? i mean, i took alot of biology in college and understood that. but that is like 300 level college work... it's all right too.

i'm not calling you out, i'm just sayin. impressive.

critesy
05-10-2007, 09:30 PM
He's still got nothing on KMH. I'll met KickMikeHass can run a 3.8.

leave him out of this...you know that.

nobodyinparticular
05-10-2007, 09:32 PM
okay. so where do you know this from? i mean, i took alot of biology in college and understood that. but that is like 300 level college work... it's all right too.

i'm not calling you out, i'm just sayin. impressive.

I'm a sports medicine major. I learned this specifically in an Exercise Science course.

awfullyquiet
05-10-2007, 09:35 PM
That's awesome.

+ rep for knowing your sheeite

Smokey Joe
05-10-2007, 09:41 PM
It's spelled creatine... just to be clear...

whatever... I didn't call the spelling police did I? :p

nobodyinparticular
05-10-2007, 09:43 PM
whatever... I didn't call the spelling police did I? :p

Haha, I know. Just... a pet peeve.

YAYareaRB
05-10-2007, 10:16 PM
This guy on our football and track team ran a 4.32 at the Nike Camp last summer and Ran a 10.8 100m today at league trials

rainbeaukid2
05-10-2007, 10:27 PM
a junior at my high school who is our starting RB runs a 4.45 at 5'11" 195. he also benches 350 and ran a 47 second 400. kid is insanely gifted

Moses
05-10-2007, 10:29 PM
a junior at my high school who is our starting RB runs a 4.45 at 5'11" 195. he also benches 350 and ran a 47 second 400. kid is insanely gifted

It's kind of funny that people know their classmates' measurables.

TitleTown088
05-10-2007, 10:29 PM
pffff....... I ran a 4.2 40 around my moms uterus like a hampster in his wheel 20 years ago. beat that Calvin Johnson.

Paul
05-10-2007, 10:32 PM
is being able to bench 600, run a 4.35 40 and do 50 pull ups normal for a 16 year old?

Depends. Is the kid's name God.

PalmerToCJ
05-10-2007, 11:06 PM
I played basketball with some football player for Ohio University one day. He was ripped and looked like he played football, then I saw him run down our fastest player with ease (the kid he chased down is 4.5's).

So I asked him what he ran in the 40 and sure enough 4.4... It was insane to see.

bernbabybern820
05-11-2007, 09:57 AM
remember that guy on this board who thought hes faster than Reggie bush? He was about 15 and ran with basketball shoes on concrete at night. He compared his video to Reggie's and said if he was officially timed..it would be 4.38-4.40

deltaforce?

eazyb81
05-11-2007, 10:17 AM
It's kind of funny that people know their classmates' measurables.

Some might say it's funny......others might say it's a wee bit g*y.

Nightmares Win 6-0
05-11-2007, 10:22 AM
Some might say it's funny......others might say it's a wee bit g*y.

i'm leaning towards thinking it's the latter...

rainbeaukid2
05-11-2007, 10:41 AM
It's kind of funny that people know their classmates' measurables.

i only know cuz i lift with him everyday and we had 100 meter time trials

badgerbacker
05-11-2007, 11:29 AM
He's still got nothing on KMH. I'll bet KickMikeHass can run a 3.8.
He ran a 3.78. His dad timed him.

dabears10
05-11-2007, 11:50 AM
Delta Force: Hey guys look at this video next to reggie bush's forty. I'm like sooooooo faster than him.

He was comedic gold.

fenikz
05-11-2007, 12:36 PM
my buddy Shane Anderson, has the sparq's record when he was 16, except they went back 5 months later and said he didn't do bench right, complete BS, he ran a mid 4.4, so your coach probably is cheating on the time


just found the numbers

Ht: 6-foot-0
Wt: 207 lbs
Forty: 4.46 secs
Bench reps: 47 (of 185)
Squat max: 400 pounds
Vertical: 41 inches
Shuttle: 4.00 secs

funny he is only a 2 star recruit, and going to Nevada

Ho0k Em'
05-11-2007, 01:35 PM
My friend ran a 4.37 when he was a sophmore.

fenikz
05-11-2007, 01:37 PM
if it was hand timed its probally way off

Ho0k Em'
05-11-2007, 01:53 PM
http://www.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=&script=/content.asp&cid=666525&fid=&tid=&mid=

http://www.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=&script=/content.asp&cid=666525&fid=&tid=&mid=

It's for real.

fenikz
05-11-2007, 02:09 PM
thats a fast 100

JF4
05-11-2007, 02:37 PM
deltaforce is cleary faster than KMH. He even beat Reggie Bush in the 40, here's the proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTWgH8av1g

Shane P. Hallam
05-11-2007, 04:34 PM
Put his video on youtube next to Reggie Bush, I beat he could beat him.

um0786
05-12-2007, 06:11 PM
look at everson griffen and joe haden

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=45046&sport=1

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46835&sport=1

scar988
05-12-2007, 06:13 PM
Today for football we ran our 40's, and this one kid ran a 4.44 for. We were on the track, and we have a fast track, in the direction of the wind (it was a slight breeze, nothing much though) and the sophomore who ran the 40 was wearing track shoes, but damn. 4.44 for a 16 year old is crazy. Also, he squats about 370 I think it was. To top that off, this kid is about 5'8"-5'9" and only weighs like 170. That is crazy...

it's uncommon but it's possible... I have a buddy up at Richmond who ran a 10.5 100 meter at 16... he ran his 40 in 4.35 at 16... he now runs it at 4.21 (fastest time) and plays RB for U of Richmond... so yeah... it's not hard to believe.