Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[fryman]

Robert Meachem just declared. I would love him if TO is gone.

:D :D :D

I have been saying for a while I would like to get him, but I thought it would have to be next year.

[Modano]

Damn, i'm so excited for the game.. can't wait!
We need to play as we did in november, we have the potential, we have to wake up!
We need the Ayodele, Canty, Hatcher, Ware, Carpenter that have shown up against the Lions and the Roy Williams that has shown up early this season.. And we need Marion Barber for sure..

[cowboysforever]

Anybody have Sam Hurd and Patrick Crayton's combine numbers?

[thule]

Anybody have Sam Hurd and Patrick Crayton's combine numbers?

Here is Hurd's Pro Day workout numbers...I don't think he was invited to the combine.

Hurd (6-2¾, 195 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.60 and 4.62. He also had a 36-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-9 broad jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 7.00 three-cone drill and five bench presses.

[JJJ888]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

[jetBLACK08]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

I will dance naked in my class if he becomes our Defensive Coordinator.

[Paul]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

I will dance naked in my class if he becomes our Defensive Coordinator.

Poor Classmates

[JJJ888]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

I will dance naked in my class if he becomes our Defensive Coordinator.

I'd actually want him as head coach...give him next year off and then when Bill retires...BOOM! Give him $10 mill a year and sign him up for the new stadium.

On the other hand, Mike and Mike suggested that Saban would be head coach once the stadium was built...

[pocketaces]

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pocketaces wrote:
Their sack leader is 2½ sacks shy of becoming the first franchise player since 1996 to finish with double-digit sacks.



As big a cowboy as I am, I try to keep my homer on the inside. But Ware won't get the 2½ sacks. He'll just get blocked by Westbrook like Dunn did. Hell Addai PWNED hiim face to face. I like Ware but there's no excuse for him to get blocked by a back, I'm still very critical of him.


oooooooooooooooppsssssssssssssssss

[cowboysforever]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

I will dance naked in my class if he becomes our Defensive Coordinator.

I'd actually want him as head coach...give him next year off and then when Bill retires...BOOM! Give him $10 mill a year and sign him up for the new stadium.

On the other hand, Mike and Mike suggested that Saban would be head coach once the stadium was built...

Talk show fever has it if Tressel wins on Monday he goes to Cleveland as Head Coach.

Means we have a shot at Crennel or Capers. Capers, I think, is better.

[cowboysforever]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

Is this the same Bill Cowher who perenially lost the AFC Championship Game at home in cold Pittsburgh on a yearly basis?

[JJJ888]

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pocketaces wrote:
Their sack leader is 2½ sacks shy of becoming the first franchise player since 1996 to finish with double-digit sacks.



As big a cowboy as I am, I try to keep my homer on the inside. But Ware won't get the 2½ sacks. He'll just get blocked by Westbrook like Dunn did. Hell Addai PWNED hiim face to face. I like Ware but there's no excuse for him to get blocked by a back, I'm still very critical of him.


oooooooooooooooppsssssssssssssssss

Wow you really told him...

[cowboysforever]

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pocketaces wrote:
Their sack leader is 2½ sacks shy of becoming the first franchise player since 1996 to finish with double-digit sacks.



As big a cowboy as I am, I try to keep my homer on the inside. But Ware won't get the 2½ sacks. He'll just get blocked by Westbrook like Dunn did. Hell Addai PWNED hiim face to face. I like Ware but there's no excuse for him to get blocked by a back, I'm still very critical of him.


oooooooooooooooppsssssssssssssssss

Wow you really told him...

DeMarcus needs to use his speed as much as possible to get his sacks. Spend off season working on hands and upper body.

[cowboysforever]

Anybody have Sam Hurd and Patrick Crayton's combine numbers?

Here is Hurd's Pro Day workout numbers...I don't think he was invited to the combine.

Hurd (6-2¾, 195 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.60 and 4.62. He also had a 36-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-9 broad jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 7.00 three-cone drill and five bench presses.

Thanks. Austin had some impressive numbers. Why was he not drafted?

[JJJ888]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

Is this the same Bill Cowher who perenially lost the AFC Championship Game at home in cold Pittsburgh on a yearly basis?

Yes and the same Bill Cowher who won the Super Bowl last year, played against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX and probably would have won if not for 2 stupid picks by Neil O'Donnell, made the playoffs 10 out of 15 years in Pittsburgh, and, as you pointed out kindly, frequently made it to the AFC championship game, and ran one of the most feared 3-4 defenses in football. Furthermore, take at the quarterbacks he had: O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc....not exactly the cream of the crop. To me, to have the kind of success he had with those players is superb.

[JJJ888]

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pocketaces wrote:
Their sack leader is 2½ sacks shy of becoming the first franchise player since 1996 to finish with double-digit sacks.



As big a cowboy as I am, I try to keep my homer on the inside. But Ware won't get the 2½ sacks. He'll just get blocked by Westbrook like Dunn did. Hell Addai PWNED hiim face to face. I like Ware but there's no excuse for him to get blocked by a back, I'm still very critical of him.


oooooooooooooooppsssssssssssssssss

Wow you really told him...

DeMarcus needs to use his speed as much as possible to get his sacks. Spend off season working on hands and upper body.

Agreed, although his bull-rush is greatly improved from last year...nevertheless, he is still a feared pass-rusher.

[JJJ888]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

I will dance naked in my class if he becomes our Defensive Coordinator.

I'd actually want him as head coach...give him next year off and then when Bill retires...BOOM! Give him $10 mill a year and sign him up for the new stadium.

On the other hand, Mike and Mike suggested that Saban would be head coach once the stadium was built...

Talk show fever has it if Tressel wins on Monday he goes to Cleveland as Head Coach.

Means we have a shot at Crennel or Capers. Capers, I think, is better.

I'll take Crennel any day.

[cowboysforever]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

Is this the same Bill Cowher who perenially lost the AFC Championship Game at home in cold Pittsburgh on a yearly basis?

Yes and the same Bill Cowher who won the Super Bowl last year, played against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX and probably would have won if not for 2 stupid picks by Neil O'Donnell, made the playoffs 10 out of 15 years in Pittsburgh, and, as you pointed out kindly, frequently made it to the AFC championship game, and ran one of the most feared 3-4 defenses in football. Furthermore, take at the quarterbacks he had: O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc....not exactly the cream of the crop. To me, to have the kind of success he had with those players is superb.

I think Cowher is a great coach but given that BP haters are running him out of town for turning around a team but not going 12-4 ya gotta wonder how much they'll like Bill C.

Remeber, Bill C also had the benefit of some great Asst Coaches and excellent drafting.

[cowboysforever]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

I will dance naked in my class if he becomes our Defensive Coordinator.

I'd actually want him as head coach...give him next year off and then when Bill retires...BOOM! Give him $10 mill a year and sign him up for the new stadium.

On the other hand, Mike and Mike suggested that Saban would be head coach once the stadium was built...

Talk show fever has it if Tressel wins on Monday he goes to Cleveland as Head Coach.

Means we have a shot at Crennel or Capers. Capers, I think, is better.

I'll take Crennel any day.

Picking between Crennel and Capers is like picking between Pam Anderson or Selma Hayek. Whatever, my d**k get hard either way.

[cowboysforever]

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pocketaces wrote:
Their sack leader is 2½ sacks shy of becoming the first franchise player since 1996 to finish with double-digit sacks.



As big a cowboy as I am, I try to keep my homer on the inside. But Ware won't get the 2½ sacks. He'll just get blocked by Westbrook like Dunn did. Hell Addai PWNED hiim face to face. I like Ware but there's no excuse for him to get blocked by a back, I'm still very critical of him.


oooooooooooooooppsssssssssssssssss

Wow you really told him...

DeMarcus needs to use his speed as much as possible to get his sacks. Spend off season working on hands and upper body.

Agreed, although his bull-rush is greatly improved from last year...nevertheless, he is still a feared pass-rusher.

He does need to impove his strength and how he uses his hands to be great.

[JJJ888]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

Is this the same Bill Cowher who perenially lost the AFC Championship Game at home in cold Pittsburgh on a yearly basis?

Yes and the same Bill Cowher who won the Super Bowl last year, played against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX and probably would have won if not for 2 stupid picks by Neil O'Donnell, made the playoffs 10 out of 15 years in Pittsburgh, and, as you pointed out kindly, frequently made it to the AFC championship game, and ran one of the most feared 3-4 defenses in football. Furthermore, take at the quarterbacks he had: O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc....not exactly the cream of the crop. To me, to have the kind of success he had with those players is superb.

I think Cowher is a great coach but given that BP haters are running him out of town for turning around a team but not going 12-4 ya gotta wonder how much they'll like Bill C.

Remeber, Bill C also had the benefit of some great Asst Coaches and excellent drafting.

I'm not sure how Parcells has really turned this team around at all...at least since his first year. He certainly has made improvements, but either has not gotten the most out of his players or doesn't have as good a team as we think...the reason why I'm ready to run him out of town is because he seems to give up on the team at times.

Additionally, Cowher could have great assistants and great drafting in Dallas as well...

[cowboysforever]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

Is this the same Bill Cowher who perenially lost the AFC Championship Game at home in cold Pittsburgh on a yearly basis?

Yes and the same Bill Cowher who won the Super Bowl last year, played against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX and probably would have won if not for 2 stupid picks by Neil O'Donnell, made the playoffs 10 out of 15 years in Pittsburgh, and, as you pointed out kindly, frequently made it to the AFC championship game, and ran one of the most feared 3-4 defenses in football. Furthermore, take at the quarterbacks he had: O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc....not exactly the cream of the crop. To me, to have the kind of success he had with those players is superb.

I think Cowher is a great coach but given that BP haters are running him out of town for turning around a team but not going 12-4 ya gotta wonder how much they'll like Bill C.

Remeber, Bill C also had the benefit of some great Asst Coaches and excellent drafting.

I'm not sure how Parcells has really turned this team around at all...at least since his first year. He certainly has made improvements, but either has not gotten the most out of his players or doesn't have as good a team as we think...the reason why I'm ready to run him out of town is because he seems to give up on the team at times.

Additionally, Cowher could have great assistants and great drafting in Dallas as well...

I want to keep repeating, BP only has two of his drafts so far. TWO. Give him another two and then see.

Remeber the first year, Jerry had BP promise to keep things as is. This was the year BP want K Williams and Jerry over ruled him and went T New. The subsequent offseason after the miracle 10-6 year, Jerry bungled that draft thinking he needed a few players to move along. That was the year he pass on Stephen Jackson ( a big BP back) and went Julius Jones (yuck) Jacobs and Peterman. All Jerry. BP did not get 1 player in those first two drafts for his precious 3-4. NOT ONE 3-4 guy in his first two drafts in Dallas. All Jerry disasters.

So, to me BP really has only been influencing this team for two years in spite of all the 4 year spin.

[cowboysforever]

What do you guys think of Jimmy Kennedy from the Rams for NT?

He is going into his last year of his contract and Tom Condon (BP friend) is his agent.

Think we can get him in a sign and trade. Bigger than Fergie and better rusher.

[Modano]

I've been able to watch the Lions' game only today.. What the hell of a penalty have they called on Newman?!
And, Akin Ayodele had a very very good game..

[CTCowboysFan]

Anybody have Sam Hurd and Patrick Crayton's combine numbers?

Here is Hurd's Pro Day workout numbers...I don't think he was invited to the combine.

Hurd (6-2¾, 195 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.60 and 4.62. He also had a 36-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-9 broad jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 7.00 three-cone drill and five bench presses.

Thanks. Austin had some impressive numbers. Why was he not drafted?

The name of his school says it all.

[CTCowboysFan]

Let's stop talking about coaches in this forum I am tired of it. We are in the playoffs. Let's just enjoy it while we can. At the end of the season there will be plenty and I mean PLENTY of time to talk about coaching changes and roster moves until then I want a playoff atmosphere in here.

Looks like Hackett is out, Jackson will play but how limited will he be?

Their secondary is so weak, it should open up something for our passing game.

Also if the Cowboys can keep Alexander in check and put up the points they have all year we stand a very good chance of winning.

[$KidCowboy$]

http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/archives/ask_joe_02-17-06.htm

According to this, Austin unofficially ran a 4.41, with a 43 inch vert. and 23 bench reps.

[Number-94]

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pocketaces wrote:
Their sack leader is 2½ sacks shy of becoming the first franchise player since 1996 to finish with double-digit sacks.



As big a cowboy as I am, I try to keep my homer on the inside. But Ware won't get the 2½ sacks. He'll just get blocked by Westbrook like Dunn did. Hell Addai PWNED hiim face to face. I like Ware but there's no excuse for him to get blocked by a back, I'm still very critical of him.


oooooooooooooooppsssssssssssssssss

OMGERZ JOO TOTALILY PWNED MEH!!!!!

Now really, I'll admitt I didn't think he would get the sacks. But it took him four games to get them; really expecet him to get more consistent with his sacks next year. I'd rather have 1 game-changing sack than 3 first half sacks that meant nothing ala lions games.

[pocketaces]

I officially would like to see Bill Cowher in Dallas...

Is this the same Bill Cowher who perenially lost the AFC Championship Game at home in cold Pittsburgh on a yearly basis?

Yes and the same Bill Cowher who won the Super Bowl last year, played against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX and probably would have won if not for 2 stupid picks by Neil O'Donnell, made the playoffs 10 out of 15 years in Pittsburgh, and, as you pointed out kindly, frequently made it to the AFC championship game, and ran one of the most feared 3-4 defenses in football. Furthermore, take at the quarterbacks he had: O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc....not exactly the cream of the crop. To me, to have the kind of success he had with those players is superb.

I think Cowher is a great coach but given that BP haters are running him out of town for turning around a team but not going 12-4 ya gotta wonder how much they'll like Bill C.

Remeber, Bill C also had the benefit of some great Asst Coaches and excellent drafting.

I'm not sure how Parcells has really turned this team around at all...at least since his first year. He certainly has made improvements, but either has not gotten the most out of his players or doesn't have as good a team as we think...the reason why I'm ready to run him out of town is because he seems to give up on the team at times.

Additionally, Cowher could have great assistants and great drafting in Dallas as well...

I want to keep repeating, BP only has two of his drafts so far. TWO. Give him another two and then see.

Remeber the first year, Jerry had BP promise to keep things as is. This was the year BP want K Williams and Jerry over ruled him and went T New. The subsequent offseason after the miracle 10-6 year, Jerry bungled that draft thinking he needed a few players to move along. That was the year he pass on Stephen Jackson ( a big BP back) and went Julius Jones (yuck) Jacobs and Peterman. All Jerry. BP did not get 1 player in those first two drafts for his precious 3-4. NOT ONE 3-4 guy in his first two drafts in Dallas. All Jerry disasters.

So, to me BP really has only been influencing this team for two years in spite of all the 4 year spin.

thats just b.s. bill has been apart of every draft since hes been here or else he wouldnt have came. the year he passed on steven jackson he said that all the backs in that draft were very close in talent and he was able to pick up a future # 1. parcells has had a big influence on whos been drafted and free agency so dont try to give him a pass. jerry might have been the one who wanted t.o. but bill signed off on it or he wouldnt be here either. so far the parcells era has been a failure and we dont need 2 more years to see that.

[pocketaces]

the reason he didnt get anybody for the 3-4 is because we werent running it....duh!

[pocketaces]

Game time weather forecast
Meteorologist Jeff Renner just instant-messaged me his forecast for 5 p.m. game time at Qwest Field: "A few showers at kick off, with increasing rain likely in the second half. Temps in low 40's. Winds from the south at 10-20 m.p.h."

[Paul]

http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/archives/ask_joe_02-17-06.htm

According to this, Austin unofficially ran a 4.41, with a 43 inch vert. and 23 bench reps.

Nice. Now we just to need see that in game action.

[jetBLACK08]

http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/archives/ask_joe_02-17-06.htm

According to this, Austin unofficially ran a 4.41, with a 43 inch vert. and 23 bench reps.

Nice. Now we just to need see that in game action.

WhY wasnt he drafted?

[Paul]

Bobby looks like he's playing well. Good Energy.

[Poet3334]

The line is protecting well, we're just not clicking. Damn!

[taylor03]

Yeah were just not clicking.....you go ahead and keep thinking that. The problem with this team is the fat ass on the sideline.

[taylor03]

Hmmm.....one of the greatest CHOKES in history!!! I wonder if somewhere out there Jimmy Johnson is laughing his ass off.....oh boy, this thing needs to be torn down and rebuilt NOW. Romo the next FRANCHISE QB? Ha...I think not.

[taylor03]

I sure hope fat ass calls it quits right now it the press conference!!! This guy has done NOTHING in 4 years...not one thing. What a waste of 4 years on Jerry Jones part. IT is time to get a YOUNG coach with his own staff in here and rebuild this thing from the ground up starting with a franchise QB.

[Number-94]

Wow.......um......this is probably the hardest lost I think since, can't even think of one.

Romo and Glenn both cost us the game....can't blame it on one of them. If Glenn didn't fumble then Romo wouldn't of been in that position.

[Staubach12]

Wow. I cannot believe how that ended. I guess we'll start looking toward the offseason tommorrow.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

wow.....thats all i gotta say.

[RaiderLifer]

Rough one sorry guys

[Modano]

it's ridicolous. I can't believe it..

[Staubach12]

Good news is Bill sounds like he's coming back in his press conference.

[Poet3334]

Yeah. Pretty tough to take.

[Number-94]

Austin will be the kick returner next year...

Carp out played Ware and has more moves rushing the passer....

Newman got picked on, heck so did Henry but is anyone surprised by that?

Parcells is here to stay, you can tell in the PC....

Who's the next DC?

[bernbabybern820]

hmm after looking at the replay again do you guys think romo could have gotten the first down if he stretched out with both hands?

[taylor03]

Yeah right....trust me, fat ass is gone. You people that are not from this area know nothing about the pressure coaches are under with THIS team. You think the New York press is tough? The Dallas Cowboys have 4 times the media coverage on a daily basis than any other NFL team.

[Number-94]

hmm after looking at the replay again do you guys think romo could have gotten the first down if he stretched out with both hands?

Maybe...if but come one the game is partly on Glenns shoulders too; he fumbled the ball if he didn't Romo probably(99%) wouldn't had been in that position.

[Poet3334]

hmm after looking at the replay again do you guys think romo could have gotten the first down if he stretched out with both hands?

I was hoping he would. In that instance, you've got to completely sell out for it. I don't think he was aware of Babineaux behind him.

[Number-94]

Yeah right....trust me, fat ass is gone. You people that are not from this area know nothing about the pressure coaches are under with THIS team. You think the New York press is tough? The Dallas Cowboys have 4 times the media coverage on a daily basis than any other NFL team.

I am from the area...plus it's only the national media that has a love affair with the Dallas Cowboys.

[Gribble]

I sure hope fat ass calls it quits right now it the press conference!!! This guy has done NOTHING in 4 years...not one thing. What a waste of 4 years on Jerry Jones part. IT is time to get a YOUNG coach with his own staff in here and rebuild this thing from the ground up starting with a franchise QB.

I didn't know Jerry Jones owned the Lions.

[Staubach12]

22nd pick in the draft.

[Kurve]

man o man what a tough loss.....i wanted the seahawks to win but never like to see a team lose over 2 plays like that sucks...feel bad hope parcells stays. Why does everyone quick to judge a coach no one gets time anymore everyone is so quick to want a coach fired or replaced. Yeah cowboys expect to win the SB every year otherwise fans tend to want the coach fired. I felt bad for romo as well ....just a terrible way to lose a game i dont think any true fan of the game wants the game to end like that. Mayb true seahawk fans but oh well

[Number-94]

22nd pick in the draft.

Josh Wilson FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dillen]

The ghost of Tommy Hutton lives on.

[Staubach12]

22nd pick in the draft.

Josh Wilson FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could deal with him.

[Gribble]

22nd: I hope Blalock's on the board.

[Number-94]

Hope the Eagles lose...want to see Eli get pounded on :evil:

EDIT: Does this remind anyone else of Friday Night Lights?

[Staubach12]

Josh Wilson, Manny Ramirez, and Justin Harrell on day 1.

[bearfan]

I wanted to play the 'Boys :evil:
Giants better win now :twisted:

[CTCowboysFan]

So any predictions guys.

Think Parcells comes back? Think TO comes back? What's the main position of need?

I am just so not surprised about this outcome that I am looking foward already. I am sick to my stomach, but I expected it. Hey we are the Dallas Cowboys, what did you expect?

[Number-94]

Hope the Eagles lose...want to see Eli get pounded on :evil:

EDIT: Does this remind anyone else of Friday Night Lights?

I wanted to play the 'Boys :evil:
Giants better win now :twisted:

[thule]

We dominated that game and deserved to win.

Personally I think the refs had a vendetta against us. Because the calls on Newman were b.s. but what can you do.

We played solid on both sides of the ball most of the game...sure we had our moments but the Seahawks came to play.

We should have one this game.,...I'll have a sig to describe our season later this week. This is just too depressing at this point to talk about anymore.

[CTCowboysFan]

I wanted to play the 'Boys :evil:
Giants better win now :twisted:

I was looking foward to playing the overrated Bears as well.

[Staubach12]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

[Gribble]

We dominated that game and deserved to win.

Personally I think the refs had a vendetta against us. Because the calls on Newman were b.s. but what can you do.

We played solid on both sides of the ball most of the game...sure we had our moments but the Seahawks came to play.

We should have one this game.,...I'll have a sig to describe our season later this week. This is just too depressing at this point to talk about anymore.

Amen.

[CTCowboysFan]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

I wouldn't think much of it. I swear to god, I swear on my life if Romo is not the quarterback next year I will auction off all of my Cowboy gear and officially leave this forum and officially quit being a Cowboys fan.

That's how much I feel like Romo is our future.

[Gribble]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

Why would he not be the QB? I think this loss may actually help him in the long run (ego reasons).

[4pAc]

This could actually be a weird sort of blessing in disguise for cowboys

[cowboysforever]

the reason he didnt get anybody for the 3-4 is because we werent running it....duh!

That is a stupid statement and not a true one. As usual BP haters make it up to deflect critique of others.

[CTCowboysFan]

This could actually be a weird sort of blessing in disguise for cowboys

Everything is supposed to be a blessing for the Cowboys. Never is though.

[Staubach12]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

Why would he not be the QB? I think this loss may actually help him in the long run (ego reasons).

I'm just saying after the game, he was asked whether he thinks he will be the QB next year, and he said "I don't want to answer that right now." He just sounds unsure. BP needs to talk to him and assure him that he's the guy.

[4pAc]

This could actually be a weird sort of blessing in disguise for cowboys

Everything is supposed to be a blessing for the Cowboys. Never is though.Well I think TO and Tuna can actually co-exist after this play, and if Romo rebounds, the team doesnt have too many holes. SB next year wouldnt be out of the question IF romo rebounds

[CTCowboysFan]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

Why would he not be the QB? I think this loss may actually help him in the long run (ego reasons).

I'm just saying after the game, he was asked whether he thinks he will be the QB next year, and he said "I don't want to answer that right now." He just sounds unsure. BP needs to talk to him and assure him that he's the guy.

Well I mean it's post game frustration and later in the conference he did say we will do better in the future. He said WE so that's a good sign. everybody thinks just because he didn't hold a snap means he isn't a good quarterback now. That makes me want to break someone's leg. It has no translation people. If you take that away, Romo had no picks, no turnovers. For a first year quarterback in his first playoff game he did fine. He did fumble which could have been costly but I do think he will improve that.

[CTCowboysFan]

This could actually be a weird sort of blessing in disguise for cowboys

Everything is supposed to be a blessing for the Cowboys. Never is though.Well I think TO and Tuna can actually co-exist after this play, and if Romo rebounds, the team doesnt have too many holes. SB next year wouldnt be out of the question IF romo rebounds

I mean I would be OK with that, and listening to Parcells press conference he did seem encouraged so I think he will be back.

Honestly though I wish TO and Parcells go.

Just think if we would have made Payton our head coach a year earlier and Romo our quarterback a year earlier. We'd be better off than what we are now. IMO.

[Staubach12]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

Why would he not be the QB? I think this loss may actually help him in the long run (ego reasons).

I'm just saying after the game, he was asked whether he thinks he will be the QB next year, and he said "I don't want to answer that right now." He just sounds unsure. BP needs to talk to him and assure him that he's the guy.

Well I mean it's post game frustration and later in the conference he did say we will do better in the future. He said WE so that's a good sign. everybody thinks just because he didn't hold a snap means he isn't a good quarterback now. That makes me want to break someone's leg. It has no translation people. If you take that away, Romo had no picks, no turnovers. For a first year quarterback in his first playoff game he did fine. He did fumble which could have been costly but I do think he will improve that.

I 100% agree.

[cowboysforever]

Ahhhh, let me get to my comments but I want to say I told you so. My points, all of them, are right. But let me recap what this team needs ... and does not ...

1) Tony Romo needs to spend this off season working very hard on perfecting his pocket passing. He also needs to work on getting much much stronger..... hands, shoulders, back, core, legs. He needs the Phil Simms transformation

2) Roy Williams. I do not understand how much clearer it can be to all that Roy Williams SUCKS as a safety. Period. Enuff. He needs to be moved somewhere on the field or needs to lose 25-30 punds to improve his quickness and reaction. Let me repeat, AS IS HE SUCKS. Period. I told u so.

3) Bradie James. Repeat Roy Williams. As is he sucks. Can't cover man or zone. He is a major liability in any pass situation. He needs to be moved somewhere on the field or needs to lose 25-30 punds to improve his quickness and reaction. Let me repeat, AS IS HE SUCKS. Period. I told u so.

4) TO, more drops. Wants to be the FIRST option but if you drop passes the team does not get into flow. No flow, no passes to you. No passes to you. Get it? Cut him. Let me repeat, CUT TO. Not worth it.

5) Get some Guards that can actually block.

6) Get a pass rusher opposite Ware.

7) Get a tailback or WR if available in the 1 but otherwise......

Repeat my Mock modified somewhat. I credit Thule for the J Moss.

1) Levi Jones or Blalock
TRADE Jones and Williams for an extra 2 (Williams to Rams) and 3 (Jones to Houston, unless they get AP).
2A) If Jones .. goe Grubbs. If Blalock go Staley
2b) Meriweather or Weddle.
3A) Jarvis Moss OLB from Florida
3B) Moss RB from U or Booker from FSU
4) Ryan Moore or similar WR with speed
5A) Justin Medlock (K)
5B) Steve Breaston
6) CB with speed from small school
7) Some OG with raw talent

Point is we need OL help, Some new blood at the DB and WR/RB with speed.

[cowboysforever]

A few positive..

DL played better.
Carpenter looked active.

[cowboysforever]

Romo sounds unsure that he's the QB next year. I really feel sorry for him. If he's not our QB next year, it's a huge mistake.

Why would he not be the QB? I think this loss may actually help him in the long run (ego reasons).

I'm just saying after the game, he was asked whether he thinks he will be the QB next year, and he said "I don't want to answer that right now." He just sounds unsure. BP needs to talk to him and assure him that he's the guy.

Well I mean it's post game frustration and later in the conference he did say we will do better in the future. He said WE so that's a good sign. everybody thinks just because he didn't hold a snap means he isn't a good quarterback now. That makes me want to break someone's leg. It has no translation people. If you take that away, Romo had no picks, no turnovers. For a first year quarterback in his first playoff game he did fine. He did fumble which could have been costly but I do think he will improve that.

I 100% agree.

Hopefully Tony's FAILURES in the last 5 games serve as notice that POONTANG and PROBOWL AFTER 5 STARTS means fumbles, bad hands, muffs and general sloppiness.

He did not protect the ball the last 5 weeks of the season. Today he played like dog pooh IMHO.

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

I hope Tressel wins and Crennel is fired.

I hope Whisenhunt gets the job in Miami.

Get Capers or Crennel.

[Staubach12]

Cowboysforever, go away. No one values your opinion here.


Anyway, I think the #1 thing we need to take care of is FS and I think the way to solve that now without developmental time is Ken Hamlin. If we sign him, we've got a coverage guy back there. There are a few good guards in FA so I would expect us to adress that in FA. In the draft, I think we look for a WR, some situational pass-rushers, a good pass rushing NT that can take over in a year or two, a backup QB in a later round, and a corner.

[CTCowboysFan]

My god cowboysforever when do you learn. The Cowboys will not trade James or Roy. They just won't. And one thing you have yet to think about.

IT'S THE SCHEME....Bradie James is not a cover linebacker, he can play the run as good as anybody but he cannot cover so why give him that responsibility?

The problem is the 3-4. Unless we get Cowher to come here and make it work we are screwed.

But no cowboysforever you are not right and I'll bet you a $ 100 the Cowboys do not trade Roy and Bradie away.

[steelersfan43]

I feel bad for romo, now he's gonna get thrashed for that one play :(

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

[CTCowboysFan]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Towards what? if you don't mind me asking.

[cowboysforever]

Cowboysforever, go away. No one values your opinion here.


Anyway, I think the #1 thing we need to take care of is FS and I think the way to solve that now without developmental time is Ken Hamlin. If we sign him, we've got a coverage guy back there. There are a few good guards in FA so I would expect us to adress that in FA. In the draft, I think we look for a WR, some situational pass-rushers, a good pass rushing NT that can take over in a year or two, a backup QB in a later round, and a corner.

I am right. WTF you talking about. Everything I have said is right about the talent on the field. What I am saying about changes are also needed.

I hate the loss but I am 100% correct. Too bad you don't like it.

[thule]

My god cowboysforever when do you learn. The Cowboys will not trade James or Roy. They just won't. And one thing you have yet to think about.

IT'S THE SCHEME....Bradie James is not a cover linebacker, he can play the run as good as anybody but he cannot cover so why give him that responsibility?

The problem is the 3-4. Unless we get Cowher to come here and make it work we are screwed.

But no cowboysforever you are not right and I'll bet you a $ 100 the Cowboys do not trade Roy and Bradie away.

HAHA i'm sure you too will exchange money over paypal man...doesn't makes points this stupid...you lose all credibility.

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

Baloney. You guys talk about it in circles. I am telling you this should be done ASAP.

Ware is Carl Banks.

[cowboysforever]

My god cowboysforever when do you learn. The Cowboys will not trade James or Roy. They just won't. And one thing you have yet to think about.

IT'S THE SCHEME....Bradie James is not a cover linebacker, he can play the run as good as anybody but he cannot cover so why give him that responsibility?

The problem is the 3-4. Unless we get Cowher to come here and make it work we are screwed.

But no cowboysforever you are not right and I'll bet you a $ 100 the Cowboys do not trade Roy and Bradie away.

HAHA i'm sure you too will exchange money over paypal man...doesn't makes points this stupid...you lose all credibility.

Scheme?

Scheme allowed Jeremy to run around un covered versus Roya nd Bradie.

Get a clue.

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Towards what? if you don't mind me asking.

Well this is really dependent on what the future for Carp is....but it shows that we would actually consider Ware on the strong side. If we fall in love with a guy in the draft...say similar to Lawson last year we might hesitate to take him. Personally I think we have enough talent in our LB corps and I don't worry about where Ware plays...but I found it interesting for him to start at strong side....If for some reason Carp stays inside...WOLB will be a need unless we honestly think Burnett can play 100% of the defensive plays with James...which I question.

[cowboysforever]

Bradie and Roy gotta go.

[CTCowboysFan]

My god cowboysforever when do you learn. The Cowboys will not trade James or Roy. They just won't. And one thing you have yet to think about.

IT'S THE SCHEME....Bradie James is not a cover linebacker, he can play the run as good as anybody but he cannot cover so why give him that responsibility?

The problem is the 3-4. Unless we get Cowher to come here and make it work we are screwed.

But no cowboysforever you are not right and I'll bet you a $ 100 the Cowboys do not trade Roy and Bradie away.

HAHA i'm sure you too will exchange money over paypal man...doesn't makes points this stupid...you lose all credibility.

I seriously didn't understand that post. Are you saying us TWO or what? Anyways it doesn't matter. Bradie and Roy won't be traded.

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Towards what? if you don't mind me asking.

Well this is really dependent on what the future for Carp is....but it shows that we would actually consider Ware on the strong side. If we fall in love with a guy in the draft...say similar to Lawson last year we might hesitate to take him. Personally I think we have enough talent in our LB corps and I don't worry about where Ware plays...but I found it interesting for him to start at strong side....If for some reason Carp stays inside...WOLB will be a need unless we honestly think Burnett can play 100% of the defensive plays with James...which I question.

I will say, Burnett as WOLB is an improvement in speed.

Would love to see him suceed or need to move him.

Forgot, either start Burnett or trade him too. Bradie has no trade value outside a 6 or 7 anyway.

So let me update, Julius, Bradie, Roy and Burnett should either be traded or repositioned.

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

Baloney. You guys talk about it in circles. I am telling you this should be done ASAP.

Ware is Carl Banks.

Actually it was heavily debated to move him to Strong side because of his lack of pass rushing move...and his dominance against the run and covering the TE off the line.

Then Manny Lawson came around and we strongly considered selecting him...so actually you take your balogna and shove it...because I have been here...and I have broke down every angle.

Who are you to come in here and tell me what I have and haven't talked about over the last 2 years?

[CTCowboysFan]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Towards what? if you don't mind me asking.

Well this is really dependent on what the future for Carp is....but it shows that we would actually consider Ware on the strong side. If we fall in love with a guy in the draft...say similar to Lawson last year we might hesitate to take him. Personally I think we have enough talent in our LB corps and I don't worry about where Ware plays...but I found it interesting for him to start at strong side....If for some reason Carp stays inside...WOLB will be a need unless we honestly think Burnett can play 100% of the defensive plays with James...which I question.

I just wish we trashed the 3-4. That's just me. Unless Cowher comes here. I mean I love Parcells too, I just think it might be time to move on. Still thinking though. I like Bill, I just don't know.

[Staubach12]

Cowboysforever, go away. No one values your opinion here.


Anyway, I think the #1 thing we need to take care of is FS and I think the way to solve that now without developmental time is Ken Hamlin. If we sign him, we've got a coverage guy back there. There are a few good guards in FA so I would expect us to adress that in FA. In the draft, I think we look for a WR, some situational pass-rushers, a good pass rushing NT that can take over in a year or two, a backup QB in a later round, and a corner.

I am right. WTF you talking about. Everything I have said is right about the talent on the field. What I am saying about changes are also needed.

I hate the loss but I am 100% correct. Too bad you don't like it.

No, you are wrong. WRONG. You are so wrong. All the time. Henry at safety? That's idiotic! Bradie and Roy are the leaders of this D! TRADE THEM? That's got to be a joke. You have no idea what your talking about.

[CTCowboysFan]

Also Julius finally had a burst tonight and cowboysforever you talk of getting rid of him. So you want to rely on Marion Barber completely for next season? I am sorry to say I don't feel as confident as you do with Barber as the starter and full time starter at that.

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Towards what? if you don't mind me asking.

Well this is really dependent on what the future for Carp is....but it shows that we would actually consider Ware on the strong side. If we fall in love with a guy in the draft...say similar to Lawson last year we might hesitate to take him. Personally I think we have enough talent in our LB corps and I don't worry about where Ware plays...but I found it interesting for him to start at strong side....If for some reason Carp stays inside...WOLB will be a need unless we honestly think Burnett can play 100% of the defensive plays with James...which I question.

I will say, Burnett as WOLB is an improvement in speed.

Would love to see him suceed or need to move him.

Forgot, either start Burnett or trade him too. Bradie has no trade value outside a 6 or 7 anyway.

So let me update, Julius, Bradie, Roy and Burnett should either be traded or repositioned.

Bradie...and Roy just got new deals...you don't hand out free money. So you play them to their strengths...this is the coaching staffs fault.

You don't play Roy in a deep cover 2...you don't play him man to man without bringing a heavy blitz.

You don't lock bradie one on one with a TE streaking down the field without over the top help...

This is all defensive cordinator issues. It has been the downfall of our season...and someone else will recognize it.

Julius is soft...I would wager anything that he is among the lowest YAC of all starting RB's in the league.

Burnett is playing in the wrong scheme however...he has value in the nickle and special teams...if you can't atleast get the value you invested in him you keep him. He is on the field more then we realize.

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

Baloney. You guys talk about it in circles. I am telling you this should be done ASAP.

Ware is Carl Banks.

Actually it was heavily debated to move him to Strong side because of his lack of pass rushing move...and his dominance against the run and covering the TE off the line.

Then Manny Lawson came around and we strongly considered selecting him...so actually you take your balogna and shove it...because I have been here...and I have broke down every angle.

Who are you to come in here and tell me what I have and haven't talked about over the last 2 years?

As I said, you guyz talked about it in circles. If we get Lawson move him to SOLB.... if we get ...... STOP THE IF BS ...

Ware is an SOLB. Period. Move him ASAP.

Put in Burnett or find a replacement. Move Carpenter to ILB and bench / traded Bradie.

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

[CTCowboysFan]

How many times do we have to say it cowboysforver, we like Watkins as our FS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????? Henry is a CB, that is all.

[CTCowboysFan]

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

LOL that makes no sense. You say your not telling us what will happen but you you say you told us so? In what way?

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Towards what? if you don't mind me asking.

Well this is really dependent on what the future for Carp is....but it shows that we would actually consider Ware on the strong side. If we fall in love with a guy in the draft...say similar to Lawson last year we might hesitate to take him. Personally I think we have enough talent in our LB corps and I don't worry about where Ware plays...but I found it interesting for him to start at strong side....If for some reason Carp stays inside...WOLB will be a need unless we honestly think Burnett can play 100% of the defensive plays with James...which I question.

I will say, Burnett as WOLB is an improvement in speed.

Would love to see him suceed or need to move him.

Forgot, either start Burnett or trade him too. Bradie has no trade value outside a 6 or 7 anyway.

So let me update, Julius, Bradie, Roy and Burnett should either be traded or repositioned.

Bradie...and Roy just got new deals...you don't hand out free money. So you play them to their strengths...this is the coaching staffs fault.

You don't play Roy in a deep cover 2...you don't play him man to man without bringing a heavy blitz.

You don't lock bradie one on one with a TE streaking down the field without over the top help...

This is all defensive cordinator issues. It has been the downfall of our season...and someone else will recognize it.

Julius is soft...I would wager anything that he is among the lowest YAC of all starting RB's in the league.

Burnett is playing in the wrong scheme however...he has value in the nickle and special teams...if you can't atleast get the value you invested in him you keep him. He is on the field more then we realize.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! So how do you explain Stevens 2nd TD???

You want to put two guys on the field that are USELESS in pass coverage. Any pass coverage. Zone, Man, Double... pick it. THEY SUCK AT IT.

Only reason Roy got an INT was he was two steps late to the play.

[cowboysforever]

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

LOL that makes no sense. You say your not telling us what will happen but you you say you told us so? In what way?

Been BARKING Roy and Bradie are so bad in pass coverage they need to go.

Period. End of story.

All I hear back is "we gave them contracts so......" Never will get better with that mentality.

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

Baloney. You guys talk about it in circles. I am telling you this should be done ASAP.

Ware is Carl Banks.

Actually it was heavily debated to move him to Strong side because of his lack of pass rushing move...and his dominance against the run and covering the TE off the line.

Then Manny Lawson came around and we strongly considered selecting him...so actually you take your balogna and shove it...because I have been here...and I have broke down every angle.

Who are you to come in here and tell me what I have and haven't talked about over the last 2 years?

As I said, you guyz talked about it in circles. If we get Lawson move him to SOLB.... if we get ...... STOP THE IF BS ...

Ware is an SOLB. Period. Move him ASAP.

Put in Burnett or find a replacement. Move Carpenter to ILB and bench / traded Bradie.

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

You claim that we haven't talked about moving Ware to SOLB...(which we have) so don't think your greatness just thought of this yourself and tought us all that...I already knew that...so don't talk down to me.

I don't care what your opinions are...you know what..where do they matter to the cowboys. The only place I can think of is Madden. So realistically the majority of us are here trying to predict what happens. I don't say I like Quinn lets draft him...because it makes no sense. Maybe we would be more successful with someone else I like...but bottom line is...i'm here to guess whats gonna happen...not lash out at people telling them what I think should happen...thats the difference between us.

[dpl85]

They're all a bunch of gutless cowards, that was one of the biggest choke jobs probably in franchise history. We have no heart, intelligence integrity or intensity. We had absolutely no business losing that game but once again we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Un freaking believable!!! :( :( :(

I really hope we cut TO and I wouldn't be opposed to firing Parcells either, the players just don't seem to respond to him anymore. He also doesn't seem to make the neccessary in game adjustments or maybe our players are just too stupid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

[cowboysforever]

How many times do we have to say it cowboysforver, we like Watkins as our FS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????? Henry is a CB, that is all.

Repeat for those with select memories .... if you believe Watkins can make it .... then keep as is.

If you think Watkins can't or is still suspect, move over Henry.

Period. End of story. I am not a position coach. Can't tell if Watkins has developed to the point you say "good enuff." Looks better than before.

[thule]

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

LOL that makes no sense. You say your not telling us what will happen but you you say you told us so? In what way?

Been BARKING Roy and Bradie are so bad in pass coverage they need to go.

Period. End of story.

All I hear back is "we gave them contracts so......" Never will get better with that mentality.

Well we can take a cap hit over the next three years from players that aren't even playing for us...I like wasting cap money on players playing for other teams :idea:

[CTCowboysFan]

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

LOL that makes no sense. You say your not telling us what will happen but you you say you told us so? In what way?

Been BARKING Roy and Bradie are so bad in pass coverage they need to go.

Period. End of story.

All I hear back is "we gave them contracts so......" Never will get better with that mentality.

Oh I'll admit Roy and Bradie are terrible in coverage but you are dead wrong that they will be traded. It's unrealistic. And as I said before it's the scheme. Bradie should not have to cover, or at least Zimmer should try to keep him out of coverage as much as possible.

[thule]

They're all a bunch of gutless cowards, that was one of the biggest choke jobs probably in franchise history. We have no heart, intelligence integrity or intensity. We had absolutely no business losing that game but once again we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Un freaking believable!!! :( :( :(

I really hope we cut TO and I wouldn't be opposed to firing Parcells either, the players just don't seem to respond to him anymore. He also doesn't seem to make the neccessary in game adjustments or maybe our players are just too stupid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll admit I am not a big TO fan....but did anyone else notice that he was the only one out there trying to catch that hail mary...wtf were crayton and glenn doing....he atleast shows me he wants to win the game...whether he is here next year or not...I loved the way he played the game.

[cowboysforever]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

Baloney. You guys talk about it in circles. I am telling you this should be done ASAP.

Ware is Carl Banks.

Actually it was heavily debated to move him to Strong side because of his lack of pass rushing move...and his dominance against the run and covering the TE off the line.

Then Manny Lawson came around and we strongly considered selecting him...so actually you take your balogna and shove it...because I have been here...and I have broke down every angle.

Who are you to come in here and tell me what I have and haven't talked about over the last 2 years?

As I said, you guyz talked about it in circles. If we get Lawson move him to SOLB.... if we get ...... STOP THE IF BS ...

Ware is an SOLB. Period. Move him ASAP.

Put in Burnett or find a replacement. Move Carpenter to ILB and bench / traded Bradie.

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

You claim that we haven't talked about moving Ware to SOLB...(which we have) so don't think your greatness just thought of this yourself and tought us all that...I already knew that...so don't talk down to me.

I don't care what your opinions are...you know what..where do they matter to the cowboys. The only place I can think of is Madden. So realistically the majority of us are here trying to predict what happens. I don't say I like Quinn lets draft him...because it makes no sense. Maybe we would be more successful with someone else I like...but bottom line is...i'm here to guess whats gonna happen...not lash out at people telling them what I think should happen...thats the difference between us.

Thule, your only response to good problem solving ideas on the player personnel front is Madden.

Worst yet, and your fatal mistake, is you are looking all around (scheme, coach, bla blah blah) for explanations for why Roy Williams and Bradie James are major liabilities in a 3-4, Zone based D.

You want to change the entire D strategy to suit two below average players. Bizarre.

[CTCowboysFan]

How many times do we have to say it cowboysforver, we like Watkins as our FS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????? Henry is a CB, that is all.

Repeat for those with select memories .... if you believe Watkins can make it .... then keep as is.

If you think Watkins can't or is still suspect, move over Henry.

Period. End of story. I am not a position coach. Can't tell if Watkins has developed to the point you say "good enuff." Looks better than before.

3 picks as a rookie in limited action in and out of 10 games I'd consider something to keep in mind. With one year under his belt I really like him for next year.

[CTCowboysFan]

They're all a bunch of gutless cowards, that was one of the biggest choke jobs probably in franchise history. We have no heart, intelligence integrity or intensity. We had absolutely no business losing that game but once again we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Un freaking believable!!! :( :( :(

I really hope we cut TO and I wouldn't be opposed to firing Parcells either, the players just don't seem to respond to him anymore. He also doesn't seem to make the neccessary in game adjustments or maybe our players are just too stupid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll admit I am not a big TO fan....but did anyone else notice that he was the only one out there trying to catch that hail mary...wtf were crayton and glenn doing....he atleast shows me he wants to win the game...whether he is here next year or not...I loved the way he played the game.

Sure he tries hard. He's dedicated. He trains hard, but the bottom line is he has had more key drops than key receptions. He is ultimately a cancer to the team, and is not worth the money for his mouth and his drops.

[cowboysforever]

They're all a bunch of gutless cowards, that was one of the biggest choke jobs probably in franchise history. We have no heart, intelligence integrity or intensity. We had absolutely no business losing that game but once again we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Un freaking believable!!! :( :( :(

I really hope we cut TO and I wouldn't be opposed to firing Parcells either, the players just don't seem to respond to him anymore. He also doesn't seem to make the neccessary in game adjustments or maybe our players are just too stupid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll admit I am not a big TO fan....but did anyone else notice that he was the only one out there trying to catch that hail mary...wtf were crayton and glenn doing....he atleast shows me he wants to win the game...whether he is here next year or not...I loved the way he played the game.

TO is not the core issue on this team.

So this is BP's fault too?

BP haters are lost. God, I pray he comes back and gets either Capers or Crennel. Work hard during the offseason and have a good draft wher Jerry goes away during the day.

[thule]

Anyone else notice Ware played almost all on the strong side...and Carp played majority on the weakside...this really surprised me early on. This may be a hint

Why are you surprised? I have been saying since the start of the season that Ware is an SOLB.

You should take my posts more seriously.

Get real man....we have been talking about Ware at SOLB since last years draft...you haven't brought anything new in here...sorry to tell you.

Baloney. You guys talk about it in circles. I am telling you this should be done ASAP.

Ware is Carl Banks.

Actually it was heavily debated to move him to Strong side because of his lack of pass rushing move...and his dominance against the run and covering the TE off the line.

Then Manny Lawson came around and we strongly considered selecting him...so actually you take your balogna and shove it...because I have been here...and I have broke down every angle.

Who are you to come in here and tell me what I have and haven't talked about over the last 2 years?

As I said, you guyz talked about it in circles. If we get Lawson move him to SOLB.... if we get ...... STOP THE IF BS ...

Ware is an SOLB. Period. Move him ASAP.

Put in Burnett or find a replacement. Move Carpenter to ILB and bench / traded Bradie.

NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN .. telling you what should happen.

Again, I told you so. My opinions are right. What is so hard to accept.

You claim that we haven't talked about moving Ware to SOLB...(which we have) so don't think your greatness just thought of this yourself and tought us all that...I already knew that...so don't talk down to me.

I don't care what your opinions are...you know what..where do they matter to the cowboys. The only place I can think of is Madden. So realistically the majority of us are here trying to predict what happens. I don't say I like Quinn lets draft him...because it makes no sense. Maybe we would be more successful with someone else I like...but bottom line is...i'm here to guess whats gonna happen...not lash out at people telling them what I think should happen...thats the difference between us.

Thule, your only response to good problem solving ideas on the player personnel front is Madden.

Worst yet, and your fatal mistake, is you are looking all around (scheme, coach, bla blah blah) for explanations for why Roy Williams and Bradie James are major liabilities in a 3-4, Zone based D.

You want to change the entire D strategy to suit two below average players. Bizarre.

I want to add a bit to the D strategy to help is get the most for our money...I'm not saying either deserved the money the got in extentions...but since they did get extentsions you have to try to get the most out of your money...if that means shading the FS over the top of bradie when asked into pass coverage..and leaving newman one on one on the outside so be it....be got to work out hiding players weaknesses and exposing their strengths.

[CTCowboysFan]

They're all a bunch of gutless cowards, that was one of the biggest choke jobs probably in franchise history. We have no heart, intelligence integrity or intensity. We had absolutely no business losing that game but once again we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Un freaking believable!!! :( :( :(

I really hope we cut TO and I wouldn't be opposed to firing Parcells either, the players just don't seem to respond to him anymore. He also doesn't seem to make the neccessary in game adjustments or maybe our players are just too stupid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll admit I am not a big TO fan....but did anyone else notice that he was the only one out there trying to catch that hail mary...wtf were crayton and glenn doing....he atleast shows me he wants to win the game...whether he is here next year or not...I loved the way he played the game.

Sure he tries hard. He's dedicated. He trains hard, but the bottom line is he has had more key drops than key receptions. He is ultimately a cancer to the team, and is not worth the money for his mouth and his drops.

apologize for double post.

[cowboysforever]

How many times do we have to say it cowboysforver, we like Watkins as our FS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????? Henry is a CB, that is all.

Repeat for those with select memories .... if you believe Watkins can make it .... then keep as is.

If you think Watkins can't or is still suspect, move over Henry.

Period. End of story. I am not a position coach. Can't tell if Watkins has developed to the point you say "good enuff." Looks better than before.

3 picks as a rookie in limited action in and out of 10 games I'd consider something to keep in mind. With one year under his belt I really like him for next year.

Let us assume Watkins is the answer at FS. Keep Henry then at CB.

What do you do with Roy, Bradie and Burnett?

Burnett has value. You will lose him to FA if you do not do something. The kid deserves to start somewhere.

Roy has value on another team.

Bradie is a back-up. Carpenter needs to replace him or need to find an ILB that can run better than 4.9.

We cut Kai Parham cuz he was slow so WTF....

[thule]

They're all a bunch of gutless cowards, that was one of the biggest choke jobs probably in franchise history. We have no heart, intelligence integrity or intensity. We had absolutely no business losing that game but once again we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Un freaking believable!!! :( :( :(

I really hope we cut TO and I wouldn't be opposed to firing Parcells either, the players just don't seem to respond to him anymore. He also doesn't seem to make the neccessary in game adjustments or maybe our players are just too stupid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll admit I am not a big TO fan....but did anyone else notice that he was the only one out there trying to catch that hail mary...wtf were crayton and glenn doing....he atleast shows me he wants to win the game...whether he is here next year or not...I loved the way he played the game.

Sure he tries hard. He's dedicated. He trains hard, but the bottom line is he has had more key drops than key receptions. He is ultimately a cancer to the team, and is not worth the money for his mouth and his drops.

I agree, he didn't earn all of his money this year..but he sure did gives us hope...and a sense of direction.

I find him very similar to Keyshawn last year.

Keyshawn was imo Dallas's offenses MVP....he went out there and gave it his all every game.

I love this type of players...I will be sad if he leaves but I won't be overly disappointed...this is a business...if there is a better option and its cap feasible I can see it.

[CTCowboysFan]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

[RCAChainGang]

Heartbreaking loss guys but dont hang it all on Romo he is a good QB and will lead your team IMO for many years.

[cowboysforever]

We need a WR who is 6'6 or something.

With respect to the jump ball.... the point is to have a few guys around it with one guy jumping for it.

Just did not happen.

[CTCowboysFan]

This is not Major League Baseball. Trades in the NFL are very rare. and we can't trade JJ because he is a free agent anyways I believe.....and if he isn't then he will stay put.

Oh and Thule the interesting thing about you mentioning Keyshawn, there is actually a void in his contract and he can opt out of his deal and leave to free agency. There are rumors he may return to Dallas and TO goes. Not sure I like that or not but I did hear that.

[CTCowboysFan]

We need a WR who is 6'6 or something.

With respect to the jump ball.... the point is to have a few guys around it with one guy jumping for it.

Just did not happen.

That's one thing I'll agree with. 100% in fact.

[cowboysforever]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

[thule]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

[thule]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

[cowboysforever]

This is not Major League Baseball. Trades in the NFL are very rare. and we can't trade JJ because he is a free agent anyways I believe.....and if he isn't then he will stay put.

Oh and Thule the interesting thing about you mentioning Keyshawn, there is actually a void in his contract and he can opt out of his deal and leave to free agency. There are rumors he may return to Dallas and TO goes. Not sure I like that or not but I did hear that.

So what do you recommend, sit on your duff?

You don't think that Julius, Burnett or Williams can be traded? Even Keith Davis can be trade I think.

James, I agree, is a piece of crap with no real value.

So let us assume no one is traded ........

I am all for letting Elam fight for the SS position next year. If Archuleta can sit with his contract so can Roy "fat ass" Williams.

I would love to see Watkins get there but what if not?????? Watkins is Option A but I feel Henry is Option B. Safety in a Cover 2 is hard and I am not sure a rookie can play it. In fact CB in Cover 2 (2 Deep) is much easier.

I am all for benching Bradie and trying to move Carpenter or a faster ILB into the mix. Carpenter and Burnett need to start. Bradie and Ellis need to be situational guys. If Donnie Edwards can play ILB at 225 -- why not Burnett at 240. In fact Burnett is as big as most the ILBs in the 3-4. Check out the other guys in SD, NE, etc....

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

[thule]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

[cowboysforever]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

[thule]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

Not only that , you don't trade him and then lose him to FA next season. The worst of all worlds.

[thule]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

[cowboysforever]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

Harrison and Polamalu can cover much better than Roy.

Regardless as you say, Roy needs to lose 20. He is slow.

[thule]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

Harrison and Polamalu can cover much better than Roy.

Regardless as you say, Roy needs to lose 20. He is slow.

I used the Polamalu example to show you that there is more then one way to use your safeties in the 3-4.

And Harrison has better ball recognition...but definately isn't considered a coverage safety...and is only marginally better then Roy in coverage...yet he exposed as much as Roy because he wasn't asked to sit back and play deep half all day....there are definately effective ways to play to his strengths in the 3-4...that is why I used this two examples...I don't think there is much to argue here.

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

[thule]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

JJ and Barber > Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick...

You just don't replace 1000 yards because you want to get younger...makes sense in madden but not in real life.

[cowboysforever]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

Harrison and Polamalu can cover much better than Roy.

Regardless as you say, Roy needs to lose 20. He is slow.

I used the Polamalu example to show you that there is more then one way to use your safeties in the 3-4.

And Harrison has better ball recognition...but definately isn't considered a coverage safety...and is only marginally better then Roy in coverage...yet he exposed as much as Roy because he wasn't asked to sit back and play deep half all day....there are definately effective ways to play to his strengths in the 3-4...that is why I used this two examples...I don't think there is much to argue here.

Well, cross you arms and pray a Coordinator can "use Roy better."

OK. This is a short off season under that mind set.

Well, we are done. New D coordinator is all we need to get this D to "dominating status."

[CTCowboysFan]

This is not Major League Baseball. Trades in the NFL are very rare. and we can't trade JJ because he is a free agent anyways I believe.....and if he isn't then he will stay put.

Oh and Thule the interesting thing about you mentioning Keyshawn, there is actually a void in his contract and he can opt out of his deal and leave to free agency. There are rumors he may return to Dallas and TO goes. Not sure I like that or not but I did hear that.

So what do you recommend, sit on your duff?

You don't think that Julius, Burnett or Williams can be traded? Even Keith Davis can be trade I think.

James, I agree, is a piece of crap with no real value.

So let us assume no one is traded ........

I am all for letting Elam fight for the SS position next year. If Archuleta can sit with his contract so can Roy "fat ass" Williams.

I would love to see Watkins get there but what if not?????? Watkins is Option A but I feel Henry is Option B. Safety in a Cover 2 is hard and I am not sure a rookie can play it. In fact CB in Cover 2 (2 Deep) is much easier.

I am all for benching Bradie and trying to move Carpenter or a faster ILB into the mix. Carpenter and Burnett need to start. Bradie and Ellis need to be situational guys. If Donnie Edwards can play ILB at 225 -- why not Burnett at 240. In fact Burnett is as big as most the ILBs in the 3-4. Check out the other guys in SD, NE, etc....

I suggest drafting well and signing free agents at the right price for what they are worth.

[thule]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

Harrison and Polamalu can cover much better than Roy.

Regardless as you say, Roy needs to lose 20. He is slow.

I used the Polamalu example to show you that there is more then one way to use your safeties in the 3-4.

And Harrison has better ball recognition...but definately isn't considered a coverage safety...and is only marginally better then Roy in coverage...yet he exposed as much as Roy because he wasn't asked to sit back and play deep half all day....there are definately effective ways to play to his strengths in the 3-4...that is why I used this two examples...I don't think there is much to argue here.

Well, cross you arms and pray a Coordinator can "use Roy better."

OK. This is a short off season under that mind set.

Well, we are done. New D coordinator is all we need to get this D to "dominating status."

Are you argueing that we don't have the talent on this team to be playing in the superbowl on defense?

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

JJ and Barber > Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick...

You just don't replace 1000 yards because you want to get younger...makes sense in madden but not in real life.

ROTFLMAO. No wonder Jerry is such a horrid GM, he keeps believing folks like you about his "talent."

Sounds like the the GMen fan talking about all the talent on the Giants.

Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick >>>>>>>> JJ + Barber

[cowboysforever]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

As T New said we have players getting "abused" so that may explain why we don't perform to expectations.

Looked to me like Bradie and Roy got abused all day today. Even Deion Neon is saying so and he apologizes for every black player in the NFL.

Fixing personnel mistakes like the ones Jerry made earlier this season are always expensive.

Sorry kiddos. Eyes don't lie.

[cowboysforever]

You keep Roy where he is. You leave the secondary as is. Tell Roy to drop a few pounds and just let him play. Just improve the pass rush and also add a new D coordinator, you'd be surprised at how much things could change.

Well, if Roy can drop 20 and play with some quickness and speed then ...... at least he is only 1 step behind versus 2. Maybe he can defelct a few poorly thrown passes.

Fing imbecile Deion bad mouthing Parcells and syaing nice things about Switzer. What a jerk. Anything to protect his homies.

Or you keep roy near the LOS...this is the easiest way to hide his liability in speed/coverage...It will put alot more pressure on our LB's and CBs and Safeties...but if Watkins can become a true center fielder and we can generate pressure we won't have a problem leaving Roy up near the line...this is where he needs to be. He is at his best in the box....if we don't get him there...he is completely useless to this team.

Thule, our 3-4 plays too much zone and puts too much in the hands of the safeties to get away with this.

All 3-4 Safeties must be able to cover. Roy is just HORRID and I do not redesign my Defense to cover up an AVERAGE players liabilities. That is INSANE.

Well our 3-4 Defense is not performing to the level of talent on the field...something needs to be changed...and it shouldn't cost the team millions of dollars of nothing to do it.

I guess polamalu doesn't get to play rover in Pitt? I guess Harrison was always forced to play deep cover 2 in NE...

There are many varieties of the 3-4 defense. Roy hasn't been playing cover 2 all year...this only happened after the Eagles game when we had trouble stopping the big play...this comes down to trust...something parcells didn't have in our secondary the second half of the year.

So we bring in a D Cord...that can improvise and get our players to play to their stregnths and we are a whole different ball club.

And my last point...

You call Roy an average player...while I don't agree his is just average...that doesn't really matter. Even if Roy is an average player...he isn't making Average Player Money....which is why it is worth hiding his weaknesses.....if it wasn't a big deal we would trade him..but like i said this is a business and that doesn't make sense economically.

Harrison and Polamalu can cover much better than Roy.

Regardless as you say, Roy needs to lose 20. He is slow.

I used the Polamalu example to show you that there is more then one way to use your safeties in the 3-4.

And Harrison has better ball recognition...but definately isn't considered a coverage safety...and is only marginally better then Roy in coverage...yet he exposed as much as Roy because he wasn't asked to sit back and play deep half all day....there are definately effective ways to play to his strengths in the 3-4...that is why I used this two examples...I don't think there is much to argue here.

Well, cross you arms and pray a Coordinator can "use Roy better."

OK. This is a short off season under that mind set.

Well, we are done. New D coordinator is all we need to get this D to "dominating status."

Are you argueing that we don't have the talent on this team to be playing in the superbowl on defense?

In theory, we have lots of talent.

In reality, we don't have enuff pass rushers and our Safeties and LBers are liabilities in coverage. Roy and Bradie in particular.

[thule]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

JJ and Barber > Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick...

You just don't replace 1000 yards because you want to get younger...makes sense in madden but not in real life.

ROTFLMAO. No wonder Jerry is such a horrid GM, he keeps believing folks like you about his "talent."

Sounds like the the GMen fan talking about all the talent on the Giants.

Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick >>>>>>>> JJ + Barber

Well we would actually still have Thompson...and if you honestly think JJ is worth being replaced from a 3rd round pick...you better hope for some solid contribution because your giving up a 1000+ yards and over 4 ypc...not many of those 3rd round picks contribute that much on their first year.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, I said BP did make a major BIG PICTURE mistake in the off season.

He put D personnel on the field that is slow in the middle of the field. Particularly the ILB and Safeties.

Keith Davis, Roy Williams, Bradie James and Akin Ayodele are likely the slowest set of ILB and Safeties in the NFL. VERY VERY LIKELY.

In addition, BP's ideas of what ILB need to do are antiquated. You can not expect 250lb ILB to take on 330 lb Guards and win those battles. It ain't 1983 and Guards don't weight 280 lbs.

Do what all 3-4 teams have done. Get ILB that are good in space and get them to use speed to get around 330lb Guards.

Akin really impressed me the last 6 games. I think he is a keeper.

Oppositte Akin, I dunno. Carpenter, Burnett. I dunno.

[cowboysforever]

Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

JJ and Barber > Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick...

You just don't replace 1000 yards because you want to get younger...makes sense in madden but not in real life.

ROTFLMAO. No wonder Jerry is such a horrid GM, he keeps believing folks like you about his "talent."

Sounds like the the GMen fan talking about all the talent on the Giants.

Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick >>>>>>>> JJ + Barber

Well we would actually still have Thompson...and if you honestly think JJ is worth being replaced from a 3rd round pick...you better hope for some solid contribution because your giving up a 1000+ yards and over 4 ypc...not many of those 3rd round picks contribute that much on their first year.

Thule, Barber needs to gain 15 pounds and if you use him 15-25 carries per game you will get what you want.

Thompson has great speed and you can use him for the other carries.

Booker is more NFL ready than Moss but that is b/c he is fast and can catch the ball.

Amateur GM right now. Not Jerry. Neither are you. Only hope my screams of mercy reach someone ear and maybe adjust some opinions.

[cowboysforever]

So Thule, as I asked earlier. Play GM.

1) Who you get rid of?
2) Who you get in FA?
3) Who ya draft?

Give me 3 ideas. I really would like your opinion.

[thule]

[quote:b30c8d92ac="cowboysforever"]Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

JJ and Barber > Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick...

You just don't replace 1000 yards because you want to get younger...makes sense in madden but not in real life.

ROTFLMAO. No wonder Jerry is such a horrid GM, he keeps believing folks like you about his "talent."

Sounds like the the GMen fan talking about all the talent on the Giants.

Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick >>>>>>>> JJ + Barber

Well we would actually still have Thompson...and if you honestly think JJ is worth being replaced from a 3rd round pick...you better hope for some solid contribution because your giving up a 1000+ yards and over 4 ypc...not many of those 3rd round picks contribute that much on their first year.

Thule, Barber needs to gain 15 pounds and if you use him 15-25 carries per game you will get what you want.

Thompson has great speed and you can use him for the other carries.

Booker is more NFL ready than Moss but that is b/c he is fast and can catch the ball.

Amateur GM right now. Not Jerry. Neither are you. Only hope my screams of mercy reach someone ear and maybe adjust some opinions.[/quote:b30c8d92ac]

You can keep your opinions on what the front office needs to do to yourself for all I care....this is the last post i'll ever Acknowledge from you...been good debating...but I honestly can't stand your views on the salary cap and your value of players/scheme/coaching....It was good talking to you...maybe your madden team will win the superbowl...best of luck to you.


So Thule, as I asked earlier. Play GM.

1) Who you get rid of?
2) Who you get in FA?
3) Who ya draft?

Give me 3 ideas. I really would like your opinion.


Bowen, Stephen DE IDC
Coleman, Kenyon DE Keep
Coleman, Marcus S Gone
Colombo, Marc OT Resign 5 years or so
Crayton, Patrick WR Bye
Elam, Abram S 2 year contract
Fowler, Ryan LB Bye
Glymph, Junior LB Deserves to work for a spot in tc
Gurode, Andre C 5 year deal sounds good
Johnson, Al C IDC either way...solid depth so sure if cheap
Jones, Nathan CB Bye
Ladouceur, LP LS He'll be gone but i'd keep him
McBriar, Mat P Long term deal
Pierce, Brett TE Bye
Procter, Cory OG Get a shot throught tc
Ratliff, Jeremiah DE 3 year deal
Reeves, Jacques CB RFA if cheap sure
Singleton, Al LB if cheap he has value


Fa Signings

#1 Josh Brown
#2 A Top OG with experience 26-29
#4 Darren Sharper if available


On The Market

Keith Davis
Kevin Burnett
Julius Jones
Marcus Spears
TO


Draft

1. Ginn/Blalock/Brown/Tank/Hughes/Moses/Woodley
2. Wilson/Kalil/Grubbs
3. Ramirez/Wade/Kolb
I like Moore on the second day...I like future OT on the second day...I like a FB/power runner on the second day...and a big NT.


Bye

[jetBLACK08]

WE are not ******* trading anyone. OKAY?
I saw the game. I liked alot of things, and I hated some things.
I have soo much to say..I don't even know where to start.

Akin Ayodele and Bradie James are STAYING.
They are beasts inside. They are big and physical.

Ware is becoming a force to be reckon with. Imagine him with another year. I would without a doubt take him over Merriman anyday.

Carpenter has potential to be really good.

BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IS..
that our defense needs to MAN UP.
They are too *****. OUR LBers dont jam worth crap.
OUR safeties give out a gazillion yard cushion.
WE CANT blitz worth ****. WE JJUst Cant be FOCUSED.
I dont care. I want ZIMMER GONE.
Parcells needs to go. THE game has changed.

[cowboysforever]

[quote:303d078b26="thule"][quote:303d078b26="cowboysforever"]Funny thing about Julius Jones is I thought I saw him TWICE actually cut back against the grain for some yards.

He got nearly 60 yards on both those carries.

Julius is worth a 3 or 4 to a team like Miami (no Ricky I assume) or to a team like Greenbay / Houston / et al/

Anyway.

Not you...but whoever said JJ is a FA is wrong...he has two years left on his rookie contract I believe he is a FA next year...and will be looking for a hefty contract....if someone feels like digging up the YAC I think you will be surprised how low he stacks up.

If we don't get a second round pick or better...he will be our running back next year...he holds more value to this team then a 3rd round pick....I mean he did rush for a 1000 yards....he doesn't NEED to be replaced...but if the offer comes along like a midsecond and a guy we like is on the board the it would make sense.

I would take Booker or Moss over him any day. And both are 3rd rounders.

Of course you would...I mean who wouldn't take two unprooven players and want them over a back that rushed for 1000 yards while splitting carries?

The only way JJ is gone is if we get good value for him...a third round pick is not worth it.

So let me use your line of reasoning ..... we don't trade Julius for a Booker or Moss but we keep Julius for one year and give him a huge contract in spite of the fact you just said he was soft.

WTF? Make up your mind. I am lost.

Regardless, why keep a painful handicap if you have a chance for serious upside?

Booker has upside. Speed and can catch the ball

Moss has upside. Moss is a big back with some speed. Played on a horrid OL.

Keep Julius is just a non-answer.

Who said I was in favor of re-signing JJ next year...as far as I'm concerned backs like Booker and Moss are a dime a dozen on draft day...and can be found every year in the draft....

So once again...if we don't get solid value for JJ we will have one more year with him....you can't say that he played bad this year...no matter how soft he is...he did perform when giving holes to run through. You just don't get rid of players that perform because you want a younger back with more upside...JJ isn't free to cut...he again comes with a cap hit.

Well if you trade him how do we get a serious cap hit? It is his rookie contract we are trading.

Barber and Tyson Thompson give you as much. In fact, I would have Barber beef up 10-15 and make him an Otis Anderson, Bettis type back.

He can't get any slower and weight does not affect quickness but weight may get him harder to tackle.

JJ and Barber > Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick...

You just don't replace 1000 yards because you want to get younger...makes sense in madden but not in real life.

ROTFLMAO. No wonder Jerry is such a horrid GM, he keeps believing folks like you about his "talent."

Sounds like the the GMen fan talking about all the talent on the Giants.

Barber and Thompson plus a 3rd round pick >>>>>>>> JJ + Barber

Well we would actually still have Thompson...and if you honestly think JJ is worth being replaced from a 3rd round pick...you better hope for some solid contribution because your giving up a 1000+ yards and over 4 ypc...not many of those 3rd round picks contribute that much on their first year.

Thule, Barber needs to gain 15 pounds and if you use him 15-25 carries per game you will get what you want.

Thompson has great speed and you can use him for the other carries.

Booker is more NFL ready than Moss but that is b/c he is fast and can catch the ball.

Amateur GM right now. Not Jerry. Neither are you. Only hope my screams of mercy reach someone ear and maybe adjust some opinions.[/quote:303d078b26]

You can keep your opinions on what the front office needs to do to yourself for all I care....this is the last post i'll ever Acknowledge from you...been good debating...but I honestly can't stand your views on the salary cap and your value of players/scheme/coaching....It was good talking to you...maybe your madden team will win the superbowl...best of luck to you.


So Thule, as I asked earlier. Play GM.

1) Who you get rid of?
2) Who you get in FA?
3) Who ya draft?

Give me 3 ideas. I really would like your opinion.


Bowen, Stephen DE IDC
Coleman, Kenyon DE Keep
Coleman, Marcus S Gone
Colombo, Marc OT Resign 5 years or so
Crayton, Patrick WR Bye
Elam, Abram S 2 year contract
Fowler, Ryan LB Bye
Glymph, Junior LB Deserves to work for a spot in tc
Gurode, Andre C 5 year deal sounds good
Johnson, Al C IDC either way...solid depth so sure if cheap
Jones, Nathan CB Bye
Ladouceur, LP LS He'll be gone but i'd keep him
McBriar, Mat P Long term deal
Pierce, Brett TE Bye
Procter, Cory OG Get a shot throught tc
Ratliff, Jeremiah DE 3 year deal
Reeves, Jacques CB RFA if cheap sure
Singleton, Al LB if cheap he has value


Fa Signings

#1 Josh Brown
#2 A Top OG with experience 26-29
#4 Darren Sharper if available


On The Market

Keith Davis
Kevin Burnett
Julius Jones
Marcus Spears
TO


Draft

1. Ginn/Blalock/Brown/Tank/Hughes/Moses/Woodley
2. Wilson/Kalil/Grubbs
3. Ramirez/Wade/Kolb
I like Moore on the second day...I like future OT on the second day...I like a FB/power runner on the second day...and a big NT.


Bye[/quote:303d078b26]

Tough admitting you are wrong about personnel. I understand. Better to not debate on a BLOG at 2:10 am in the morning!!!!!!!!!!!!! Regardless, you are not a GM so take a hard look in the mirror as you pass judgement.

Funny you talk about the cap as if it handicaps GMs to not doing much. Not the case but more importantly when you run a BUSINESS LIKE I DO you sometimes have to cut your loses and admit mistakes. Take a lesson from me, lost alot and made alot. But I learned never keep putting your chips on a Loser expecting it to get better. They always break you heart.

I have not problem chatting with you. You have some smart opinions and some stupid ones. Like most of us... but I will rub in your nose Zbikowski and Quinn as they bust in the NFL!

Ciao bella.

[cowboysforever]

WE are not ******* trading anyone. OKAY?
I saw the game. I liked alot of things, and I hated some things.
I have soo much to say..I don't even know where to start.

Akin Ayodele and Bradie James are STAYING.
They are beasts inside. They are big and physical.

Ware is becoming a force to be reckon with. Imagine him with another year. I would without a doubt take him over Merriman anyday.

Carpenter has potential to be really good.

BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IS..
that our defense needs to MAN UP.
They are too ***********. OUR LBers dont jam worth crap.
OUR safeties give out a gazillion yard cushion.
WE CANT blitz worth ***********. WE JJUst Cant be FOCUSED.
I dont care. I want ZIMMER GONE.
Parcells needs to go. THE game has changed.

So if our LBs and Safeties are playing poorly how do you propose solving it? Coaching is part of it. Personnel???

Ayodle, Carp and Watkins looked pretty good last few games. Something to look forward to next year.

Zimmer is gone I hope. BP stays I hope. Pray Tressel wins and takes the Cleveland job.

[cowboysforever]

Someone say we have #21?

If Giants go to NFC Championship game do we leap frog them or just to if they go to the Super Bowl?

[bearsfan_51]

The Giants would have to make the Superbowl for you to jump them, and I think it's more likely that we'll be invaded by Australia and the game will never take place.

[cowboysforever]

The Giants would have to make the Superbowl for you to jump them, and I think it's more likely that we'll be invaded by Australia and the game will never take place.

Well, I just saw a Cowboy team lose two games this season because they can not get a field goal off.

Actually, GMen going to the dance and losing would be great. Collective histeria in NY football land. I would die laughing my arse off.

I mean, ya know the GMen are really really really talented and Eli is DA BEST!!!!!!!!!

[cowboysforever]

The Giants would have to make the Superbowl for you to jump them, and I think it's more likely that we'll be invaded by Australia and the game will never take place.

Great draft last year. Wow. Mannig, Hester and Anderson. Nice.

[jetBLACK08]

WE are not ******* trading anyone. OKAY?
I saw the game. I liked alot of things, and I hated some things.
I have soo much to say..I don't even know where to start.

Akin Ayodele and Bradie James are STAYING.
They are beasts inside. They are big and physical.

Ware is becoming a force to be reckon with. Imagine him with another year. I would without a doubt take him over Merriman anyday.

Carpenter has potential to be really good.

BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IS..
that our defense needs to MAN UP.
They are too ***********. OUR LBers dont jam worth crap.
OUR safeties give out a gazillion yard cushion.
WE CANT blitz worth ***********. WE JJUst Cant be FOCUSED.
I dont care. I want ZIMMER GONE.
Parcells needs to go. THE game has changed.

So if our LBs and Safeties are playing poorly how do you propose solving it? Coaching is part of it. Personnel???

Ayodle, Carp and Watkins looked pretty good last few games. Something to look forward to next year.

Zimmer is gone I hope. BP stays I hope. Pray Tressel wins and takes the Cleveland job.

I blame coaching.
The players are only as good as our coaches.

[jetBLACK08]

Williams lost his swagger.

[cowboysforever]

WE are not ******* trading anyone. OKAY?
I saw the game. I liked alot of things, and I hated some things.
I have soo much to say..I don't even know where to start.

Akin Ayodele and Bradie James are STAYING.
They are beasts inside. They are big and physical.

Ware is becoming a force to be reckon with. Imagine him with another year. I would without a doubt take him over Merriman anyday.

Carpenter has potential to be really good.

BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IS..
that our defense needs to MAN UP.
They are too ***********. OUR LBers dont jam worth crap.
OUR safeties give out a gazillion yard cushion.
WE CANT blitz worth ***********. WE JJUst Cant be FOCUSED.
I dont care. I want ZIMMER GONE.
Parcells needs to go. THE game has changed.

So if our LBs and Safeties are playing poorly how do you propose solving it? Coaching is part of it. Personnel???

Ayodle, Carp and Watkins looked pretty good last few games. Something to look forward to next year.

Zimmer is gone I hope. BP stays I hope. Pray Tressel wins and takes the Cleveland job.

I blame coaching.
The players are only as good as our coaches.

Coaching is part of it.

With respect to the Roy Williams comment -- Williams is just not quick or fast. As Thule correctly says, he can't play Cover 2 or Cover anything. He is only a Rover. He can't even double effectively.

I have been listening to the game analysis and I think I heard them say about 3 times "... and Williams took a bad angle." Deion Sanders said the LB and Safeties are horrid in space. And I always wanna disagree with that idiot.

Roy Williams needs to commit himself to learning to play football with his mind and dropping 20 pounds of fat. Maybe we can rescue him and his Jerry Botox Jones dumb ass contract.

[cowboysforever]

Williams lost his swagger.

I keep saying, and can't get over the fact, that SS/FS and ILBs in other teams 3-4 are just plain lighter and faster.

Like 5-10 pounds on average.

[Modano]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

[cowboyz]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

yup i said he didn't look good against the cardinals. but i was wrong, he looks great. he's made huge plays when allowed to do so. maybe just needs to get a little stronger so he doesn't get pushed back as much. but really he made great plays to stop the run too.

he just needs to do a little jugs machine work :wink:

maybe he can play bradie james' spot on passing downs and ellis at olb next year

[cowboysforever]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

Good point. No debate.I would like us to just get the 4 best linebackers on the field. Same for safety. Still think a big time pass rusher would help -- maybe one of the DL will develop.

[cowboysforever]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

yup i said he didn't look good against the cardinals. but i was wrong, he looks great. he's made huge plays when allowed to do so. maybe just needs to get a little stronger so he doesn't get pushed back as much. but really he made great plays to stop the run too.

he just needs to do a little jugs machine work :wink:

maybe he can play bradie james' spot on passing downs and ellis at olb next year

I hope Greg comes back. What a great guy and good player. But at this point in his career he is 10-15 play per game guy unless somethin unusal happens.

[cowboysforever]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

Is it me or does Carpenter look light than Ware. Have both listed same weight basically but dang Bobby looks lighter.

[pocketaces]

the reason he didnt get anybody for the 3-4 is because we werent running it....duh!

That is a stupid statement and not a true one. As usual BP haters make it up to deflect critique of others.

first of all it is a true statement. we were running a 4-3 bills first 2 years. 2nd of all im not a parcells hater but you are a parcells apoligest. as i said earlier (which you didnt respond to because you know its true) parcells has been apart of every draft and the reason we passed on steven jackson is because parcells considered the backs in that draft very close in talent and they took jj and recieved another 1st round pick. to blame our drafts/free agents all on jerry is just stupid. bill has been here 4 years and after 4 years you would have to say it has been a failure. am i right? yes the overall talent is better but the results are not. thats the bottom line. results! 3rd of all thrule is correct we have been talking about issues on this board long before you got here and for you to think your bringing anything up we havent already descussed, well your sadly mistaken. thats why most if not all the long time posters on here dont like you. you think you know it all and are bringing up new ideas, which the only new ones you do bring up are the ones regarding trading half the team and are just dumb. nobody on here that i can remember has said hey your right cowboysforever thats a great idea. mostly everybody is arguing with you and your always defending yourself. the reason.....because your wrong or your bringing up already discussed topics. i know how much you like to pat yourself on the back and telling everybody what a know it all you are and how you do this for a living blah blah blah. nobody wants to hear it. it is true you want to run this team as if it were madden. you dont want to hear it but we dont want to hear you either.

[pocketaces]

oh and here an article today by jj taylor

This game might have been the last in Parcells' Hall of Fame career. Perhaps, Jerry Jones will want a change after four seasons with Parcells, a 34-32 overall record and no playoff victories. After all, Parcells doesn't make it fun for Jones to come to work because the coach demands so much control. Jones understood the rules when he hired Parcells and respects them, but winning would make it easier to work within the parameters Parcells has established.

[Staubach12]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

I like all this, but what do you propose we do with Ellis? Just sit him?

[Gribble]

I like how Bill Parcells should be fired because his tenure has been a waste of time.

3 years prior to Parcells: 15-33, No playoffs
4 years with Parcells: 34-32, Two playoff berths

Yeah, he's pretty terrible in taking pretty much the same team that Dave Campo gave him and turning it into a 10-6 record.

Plus, NO OTHER COACHES OUT THERE ARE EVEN CLOSE TO AS GOOD AS PARCELLS!

[pocketaces]

and another by tim cowlishaw


The fact is that for the fourth straight year, a Parcells team got worse as the season wound down, not better.

And the educated guess is that Parcells' days in Dallas are over.


Jones is greatly disappointed in Parcells and the job he has done – or not done – in his fourth season.

Something new, something fresh is needed here. Four games over .500 with two playoff defeats – that record got Chan Gailey fired after two seasons.

It has taken Parcells four years to get to that same so-so record – four games over .500 and two playoff losses. And he has worked at about five times Gailey's salary.

In four years, Parcells has presided over one really good draft. He has taken a defense that was efficient, if not dominating in the 4-3, and made it very inefficient in the 3-4.

Does it say anything that the NFL coach of the year is the Saints' Sean Payton, who displayed far more imagination in New Orleans than he was ever allowed to show as Parcells' play-caller?

so you see cowboysforever, you dont know it all like you claim so ****

[Paul]

I haven't posted since the end of the game, I was busy throwin up and crying for the past 12 hours.

I didn't read through the last 4 pages of posts, but I'm guessing somewhere in there, Cowboysforever went on his weekly idiotic rants and overreactions.

I'm going for the Chargers now this playoffs, how about ya'll.

if we do have the 21st spot, we can still get Blalock or hopefully Meachum.

[pocketaces]

I haven't posted since the end of the game, I was busy throwin up and crying for the past 12 hours.

I didn't read through the last 4 pages of posts, but I'm guessing somewhere in there, Cowboysforever went on his weekly idiotic rants and overreactions.
I'm going for the Chargers now this playoffs, how about ya'll.

if we do have the 21st spot, we can still get Blalock or hopefully Meachum.

yes he did and i too am rooting for the chargers. im hoping we get blaylock.

[cowboyz]

I'm going for the Chargers now this playoffs, how about ya'll.


i'm going for the saints. they're former cowboys anyway :lol:

[Modano]

Carpenter played very very good yesterday. He had 4 PD, a couple of QB hurried and he made some plays vs the run..
Someone said we need another pass rusher, but give Carpenter time.. He had to make the transition from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 OLB.. Give him another off-season, he's gonna be a huge player for us..
And about SOLB an WOLB, I really don't care.. Pittsburgh uses their OLB in different ways, Porter and Haggans switch position many times during the game.. That's what we need to do, both Carpenter and Ware are able to play both position..
Ware hasn't reach his potential as a pass rusher but he has 11.5 sack for the season and a lot of hurries...

I like all this, but what do you propose we do with Ellis? Just sit him?

I want him lining up as a DE in the nickel and play some snaps as OLB..like 10 a game... But I think that he really wants to play a bigger role..

And what about Chris Canty? He played very well yesterday too. He had like 7 tackles, he stepped up in the last two game sof the season..
He was playing like a man possesed in preseason and in the first weeks of the season.. We need to play with more consistency, I'm really high on him..

BTW, wow 18 weeks has passed since the season started.. And now football is over for a long time :(

[cowboysforever]

oh and here an article today by jj taylor

This game might have been the last in Parcells' Hall of Fame career. Perhaps, Jerry Jones will want a change after four seasons with Parcells, a 34-32 overall record and no playoff victories. After all, Parcells doesn't make it fun for Jones to come to work because the coach demands so much control. Jones understood the rules when he hired Parcells and respects them, but winning would make it easier to work within the parameters Parcells has established.

LOL. Media spin about Parcells wanting Control. Just crazy. Last I checked the HC should have control of the team during the season.

Jerry, the fake botox GM, is supposed to do Player Personnel. Liek getting TO and Vanderjerk.

The fact Jerry is not having fun because he can dial up a HC or Coordinator and call a play is more indicative of how dumb Jerry is and an indicator of how biased the Dasllas media is.

BTW, article is a day or so old. BP Haters all say the same thing inspite of the facts.

[cowboysforever]

I like how Bill Parcells should be fired because his tenure has been a waste of time.

3 years prior to Parcells: 15-33, No playoffs
4 years with Parcells: 34-32, Two playoff berths

Yeah, he's pretty terrible in taking pretty much the same team that Dave Campo gave him and turning it into a 10-6 record.

Plus, NO OTHER COACHES OUT THERE ARE EVEN CLOSE TO AS GOOD AS PARCELLS!

Worst yet he has been the only Coach that can control Jerry a little bit on draft day and in FA period. Otherwise, just look at Jerry's draft and FA record from 1994 to 2004 as well as Weak HC he likes.

LOL. Jerry needs a strong strong HC to tame his idiotic tendencies.

[cowboysforever]

The irony of this board's fans is they perceive replacing BP is absolutely needed and the grass is greener.

The same folks don't want to replace Bradie or Roy (hey just 1 is great!) because it costs too much to the cap.

First time in Football, I have ever seen such a line of thinking.

Very small, incremental thinking on personnel but DRASTIC on coaching and even more so drastic given the GM/Owner situation.

[cowboysforever]

the reason he didnt get anybody for the 3-4 is because we werent running it....duh!

That is a stupid statement and not a true one. As usual BP haters make it up to deflect critique of others.

first of all it is a true statement. we were running a 4-3 bills first 2 years. 2nd of all im not a parcells hater but you are a parcells apoligest. as i said earlier (which you didnt respond to because you know its true) parcells has been apart of every draft and the reason we passed on steven jackson is because parcells considered the backs in that draft very close in talent and they took jj and recieved another 1st round pick. to blame our drafts/free agents all on jerry is just stupid. bill has been here 4 years and after 4 years you would have to say it has been a failure. am i right? yes the overall talent is better but the results are not. thats the bottom line. results! 3rd of all thrule is correct we have been talking about issues on this board long before you got here and for you to think your bringing anything up we havent already descussed, well your sadly mistaken. thats why most if not all the long time posters on here dont like you. you think you know it all and are bringing up new ideas, which the only new ones you do bring up are the ones regarding trading half the team and are just dumb. nobody on here that i can remember has said hey your right cowboysforever thats a great idea. mostly everybody is arguing with you and your always defending yourself. the reason.....because your wrong or your bringing up already discussed topics. i know how much you like to pat yourself on the back and telling everybody what a know it all you are and how you do this for a living blah blah blah. nobody wants to hear it. it is true you want to run this team as if it were madden. you dont want to hear it but we dont want to hear you either.

Parcells has been a part of everything. That statement is true but a false straw man. It is like saying the guy screwing on a bolt on to a wheel at GM is part of GM's Car Making Problems. Yeah, sort of.

Parcells did not have any serious influence in the first two drafts. For a guy YOU THINK has so much control that Jerry is upset, BP sure has a funny way of showing it.

Taking T New over K Williams was all Jerry and not BP. No 3-4 Front Seven for BP in that draft.

Trading a 1 for a 2 and future 1 is classic Jimmy Johson think that Jerry loves. Not only that, BP does not have a history of wheeling dealing. Again, no 3-4 Front Seven for BP in that draft either.

Two years straight where BP get nothing. Nice level of control huh?

With that said, the Cowboys stated rational of Jones being as good as Jackson is true but given BP likes big backs makes you wonder what BP would have done without Jerry.

My read, Jones was so proud of himself after that trade that he beemed. I saw ESPN too. It was like back in the Jimmy Johson hey days.

Jones + Spears may end up being better than Jackson but right now..... ug.

Regardless, I am pointing this out not to dispute the trade bad or good but to state CLEARLY that BP was not in control of the draft or draft process until 2005.

On me and Madden, never played it. I like to think out of the box to solve big problem. Incremental thinking never works. Cowboys have some good players that need a new system and we should avoid losing them to FA by trading them.

So, anyway. I argue cuz you guys like to pretend you are GMs. You are not. Its a blog!! Have fun. This is where wild ideas actually have a chance of seeding a GM's mind.

[Number 10]

I think it is time for Roy to make the Thomas Davis switch to LB

[cowboysforever]

I think it is time for Roy to make the Thomas Davis switch to LB

Number 10 -- you and I argue a lot -- but you are right that Roy at SS is a non-starter. Problem is he is not a 3-4 WOLB.

But don't say that he stinks here. The Roy Williams apologists are blaming the coaching.

Won't take 15 minutes to get 20 rebutals calling you a fool and telling you that he has a big contract and can't be traded to a team that can use his talents.

I think there are at least 7 teams I can name that could use him as a WOLB in their system.

[Number 10]

I think it is time for Roy to make the Thomas Davis switch to LB

Number 10 -- you and I argue a lot -- but you are right that Roy at SS is a non-starter. Problem is he is not a 3-4 WOLB.

But don't say that he stinks here. The Roy Williams apologists are blaming the coaching.

Won't take 15 minutes to get 20 rebutals calling you a fool and telling you that he has a big contract and can't be traded to a team that can use his talents.

I think there are at least 7 teams I can name that could use him as a WOLB in their system.

How big is his contract? Is he really untradeable? This year's cap expansion may allow for a drastic move. But even if the Cowboys were to move to a 4-3, I don't think it would help Roy's game if he stays at safety regardless of how bad anyone thinks the coaching has been.

[CTCowboysFan]

As a side note did anyone see Kyle Kosier flip the bird on camera last night after his illegal hands to the face penalty?

[CTCowboysFan]

oh and here an article today by jj taylor

This game might have been the last in Parcells' Hall of Fame career. Perhaps, Jerry Jones will want a change after four seasons with Parcells, a 34-32 overall record and no playoff victories. After all, Parcells doesn't make it fun for Jones to come to work because the coach demands so much control. Jones understood the rules when he hired Parcells and respects them, but winning would make it easier to work within the parameters Parcells has established.

LOL. Media spin about Parcells wanting Control. Just crazy. Last I checked the HC should have control of the team during the season.

Jerry, the fake botox GM, is supposed to do Player Personnel. Liek getting TO and Vanderjerk.

The fact Jerry is not having fun because he can dial up a HC or Coordinator and call a play is more indicative of how dumb Jerry is and an indicator of how biased the Dasllas media is.

BTW, article is a day or so old. BP Haters all say the same thing inspite of the facts.

Can you even mention the name Jerry Jones without mentioning the word botox?

[cowboysforever]

I think it is time for Roy to make the Thomas Davis switch to LB

Number 10 -- you and I argue a lot -- but you are right that Roy at SS is a non-starter. Problem is he is not a 3-4 WOLB.

But don't say that he stinks here. The Roy Williams apologists are blaming the coaching.

Won't take 15 minutes to get 20 rebutals calling you a fool and telling you that he has a big contract and can't be traded to a team that can use his talents.

I think there are at least 7 teams I can name that could use him as a WOLB in their system.

How big is his contract? Is he really untradeable? This year's cap expansion may allow for a drastic move. But even if the Cowboys were to move to a 4-3, I don't think it would help Roy's game if he stays at safety regardless of how bad anyone thinks the coaching has been.

I agree. Not untradable. Requires finding teams with needs in a 4-3. Preferably a blitzing 4-3 that needs a WOLB.

Here is the data:

Cowboys re-signed strong safety Roy Williams to a four-year, $25 million contract that includes an $11 million signing bonus

And to your very very smart point, the increase in cap is going to blow up everyone contracts. His contract maybe considered modest by June.

Roy is not a safety. Nothing safe about him.

[cowboysforever]

As a side note did anyone see Kyle Kosier flip the bird on camera last night after his illegal hands to the face penalty?

Ya.

[cowboysforever]

oh and here an article today by jj taylor

This game might have been the last in Parcells' Hall of Fame career. Perhaps, Jerry Jones will want a change after four seasons with Parcells, a 34-32 overall record and no playoff victories. After all, Parcells doesn't make it fun for Jones to come to work because the coach demands so much control. Jones understood the rules when he hired Parcells and respects them, but winning would make it easier to work within the parameters Parcells has established.

LOL. Media spin about Parcells wanting Control. Just crazy. Last I checked the HC should have control of the team during the season.

Jerry, the fake botox GM, is supposed to do Player Personnel. Liek getting TO and Vanderjerk.

The fact Jerry is not having fun because he can dial up a HC or Coordinator and call a play is more indicative of how dumb Jerry is and an indicator of how biased the Dasllas media is.

BTW, article is a day or so old. BP Haters all say the same thing inspite of the facts.

Can you even mention the name Jerry Jones without mentioning the word botox?

How about JBJ?

[Staubach12]

I think to get more pressure on the QB, we should mix up the DEs even more. That keeps them fresh, keeps the defense confused, and that way Coleman and Hatcher can help us get more pressure on the QB. I would also like to see a little more of Ratliff at NT. In short, I think rotation on the D-Line should help us get more penetration.

On another note, I do somewhat agree with cowboysforever on one thing. Bradie needs to loose weight. Not too much, but 5-10 lbs would be nice. Roy, too. I'd like to see him down 5-10 lbs. With them being a bit lighter, hopefully, they would get a bit faster.

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

Also, I'd like to talk about RB. I think with Austin's progression as a KR, Tyson Thompson value decreases. I would be surprised to see us nab a RB on the 2nd day and cut Thompson.

Also, have we resigned Crayton yet, I can't remember.

[cowboysforever]

I think to get more pressure on the QB, we should mix up the DEs even more. That keeps them fresh, keeps the defense confused, and that way Coleman and Hatcher can help us get more pressure on the QB. I would also like to see a little more of Ratliff at NT. In short, I think rotation on the D-Line should help us get more penetration.

On another note, I do somewhat agree with cowboysforever on one thing. Bradie needs to loose weight. Not too much, but 5-10 lbs would be nice. Roy, too. I'd like to see him down 5-10 lbs. With them being a bit lighter, hopefully, they would get a bit faster.

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

Also, I'd like to talk about RB. I think with Austin's progression as a KR, Tyson Thompson value decreases. I would be surprised to see us nab a RB on the 2nd day and cut Thompson.

Also, have we resigned Crayton yet, I can't remember.

Thank you Staubach for the kind words on Roy and Bradie. At minimum, that is a place to start with those two. I prefer trade but realistically only Roy has some value.

I agree DL is the one place I don't think we need more bodies or an upgrade. Just need patience. You are right.

McQ is interesting but what do you do with Flo? A 6"7 Guard? Cut? Trade?

Austin can start at WR next year if he works hard. We have only seen small pictures of him. He has all the tools to be above average. He is faster than TO at this point too. I think between Hurd and Crayton we have the 3rd WR.

I have proposed strongly we try to find Julius a new home via trade and move Barber and Thompson to 1 and 2.

[Jdallas]

I think to get more pressure on the QB, we should mix up the DEs even more. That keeps them fresh, keeps the defense confused, and that way Coleman and Hatcher can help us get more pressure on the QB. I would also like to see a little more of Ratliff at NT. In short, I think rotation on the D-Line should help us get more penetration.

On another note, I do somewhat agree with cowboysforever on one thing. Bradie needs to loose weight. Not too much, but 5-10 lbs would be nice. Roy, too. I'd like to see him down 5-10 lbs. With them being a bit lighter, hopefully, they would get a bit faster.

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

Also, I'd like to talk about RB. I think with Austin's progression as a KR, Tyson Thompson value decreases. I would be surprised to see us nab a RB on the 2nd day and cut Thompson.

Also, have we resigned Crayton yet, I can't remember.

The D-line rotation is something that we used last year and it was very effective. I can understand why we couldn't rotate at NT as much without a true backup, but would have liked to see us rotate the DEs more. We need a high energy backup NT to play a few series in the game and also contribute in the nickel package.

I like Bradie's weight where it is, but Roy has had to lose some weight for a while now. Every time he's in bad position it seems like he's trying to hard to make a play or do too much and he gets caught in bad position. Roy is a good enough athlete to cover in this league, but he needs someone to wake him up and get him more focused on playing disciplined football.

McQuistan looked the part of a franchise LT in the preseason, but because he didn't take over for Flozell this year everyone here just gave up on him and decided he was a bust. He has a ton of potential and wouldn't be surprised to see him competing for a starting spot in next years training camp.

While Thompsons value as a kick returner is somewhat diminished with how well Austin has played don't forget that he's a pretty good RB himself. He is very good at running the ball and only needs to work on the mental part of his game to get better. I don't see why you would want to replace him even if he doesn't return kicks next year. He'll get a couple carries in almost all the games next year, we already had a couple of plays designed just for him this year. Also, don't forget that we still need a backup KR just in case and that Austin might have a bigger role at WR next year.

[cowboysforever]

I am watching the NY Jets play football and it is such a pleasure to see a 3-4 being run with fast players. The FS and SS are everywhere on the field. The ILB are in the back field. WOW.

To JJ, Bradie is too slow. Roy is a lard ass too. Both needs to lose weight.

Only one team running 3-4 has such a fattie at ILB and that is Andra Davis in Cleveland. But he was brought in by Butch to be a 4-3 MLB. He is slow too.

Bradie ran a 4.68 at 238 in the combine. He ain't 4.68 at 250++.

At SS, no 3-4 team has 230 lb Safety. As fat as they come is Harrison at 220 and he is like 6"1 -- so an inch taller and ten pounds lighter.

Roy ran a 4.53 40 in the combine at 219 lbs. He ain't 4.5 at 230++.

This where BP is at fault in being so nuts about size when speed is a big component.

[pocketaces]

cowboysforever, why do you feel the need to keep repeating yourself? youve stated 1000 times you dont like roy or brady and posted the reasons why. we get it. move on. they will be here next year like it or not so just drop it.

[cowboysforever]

cowboysforever, why do you feel the need to keep repeating yourself? youve stated 1000 times you dont like roy or brady and posted the reasons why. we get it. move on. they will be here next year like it or not so just drop it.

Well, repitition works in football. It will have its effect here too.

[pocketaces]

whats going to work? bp and jj going to read your post and do what you say?

[cowboysforever]

whats going to work? bp and jj going to read your post and do what you say?

Well, same goes for you too.

With that said, good points made early in a process and repeated ad nauseum help form opinions and those opinions get repeated and repeated.

So hey.

[ThaU4Life]

As a side note did anyone see Kyle Kosier flip the bird on camera last night after his illegal hands to the face penalty?

haha I saw that

[chrlopez1]

We know wwere we are picking now...so what do you think we go after.....another LB or DL or the OL>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How about Griffith Safety from Texas.........Do u think Jarrett could fall.....that far....................................HOw about the RB from CAL....?

[mat33]

Do we have a shot at these guys, you ask.
Griffith: maybe
Jarrett: No
Lynch: Hell No

[CTCowboysFan]

As a side note did anyone see Kyle Kosier flip the bird on camera last night after his illegal hands to the face penalty?

haha I saw that

I wonder if the NFL will fine him for that?

[thule]

Also, have we resigned Crayton yet, I can't remember.

No he is a RFA.

[CTCowboysFan]

As a side note did anyone see Kyle Kosier flip the bird on camera last night after his illegal hands to the face penalty?

haha I saw that

I wonder if the NFL will fine him for that?

[thule]

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

McQwistan is the guy who broke Austin free on his kick return yesterday...he blocked two guys...I really liked what I saw of him on special teams...this just goes further to proove that OT isn't a first round need. However...Jared Gaither is very intriguing.

[BuffaloDraftGeek]

What do you guys think of A.J. Bennett, part time holder out of Eastern Michigan?

[Staubach12]

Also, have we resigned Crayton yet, I can't remember.

No he is a RFA.

I really like Crayton, but I wouldn't mind seeing him go too much. It would save us money to just move Hurd to #3 and help develop Austin a bit more.

[Staubach12]

What do you guys think of A.J. Bennett, part time holder out of Eastern Michigan?

Romo was our holder all year and he messed one up. We don't need a holder that bad.

[Staubach12]

Sidney Rice declared. Boy, I would love to get him.

[CTCowboysFan]

I want a new receiver as bad as the next but I feel like we are taking Crayton for granted. He is good. In fact I think he is great. Not only that but he probably has the best relationship with Romo out of all the receivers.

And another reason I don't think we go receiver is because Jerry already said TO is coming back so I don't even think the receiver position will get touched this off-season, which is unfortunate considering the draft class.

[Staubach12]

I'm just saying I'd love to have him. It's not a prediction. With JJ saying TO will stay and the possibility of Hurd and Austin being good players sometime in the future, I don't think it'll happen. I personally thought TO would be gone, but now that we know he'll stay, it changes a lot.

[CTCowboysFan]

I'm just saying I'd love to have him. It's not a prediction. With JJ saying TO will stay and the possibility of Hurd and Austin being good players sometime in the future, I don't think it'll happen. I personally thought TO would be gone, but now that we know he'll stay, it changes a lot.


Yeah I was with you, I wanted TO gone too.

[bearfan]

ROMO! :lol:
Sorry guys :lol:

[TH3]

i like all these DEs declaring gives us the ability to take one later for a good value....
what do you guy see as the positions of need for this draft??
1.Safety- we need a solid cover safety
2.ILB - brady james/akin just isn't getting it done
3.DE - we have to get a pass rush
4.O-line - our line is getting older
5.WR - glenn and owens arn't young bucks
6.CB - henry is suspect and glenn is aging

very basic more to come but thoughts on my initial thoguhts

[Staubach12]

My list of needs is
1.FS
2.G
3.NT
4.WR
5.CB

I think we can get it done at DE with the bodies we have right now. I also don't see ILB as that big of a need. And why don't you have NT on you're list? That's quite a need.

[Jdallas]

What I think our needs are:
1. OG-Someone to replace Rivera.
2. NT-High energy guy who doesn't have to be very big. Packup situational NT and contibutor in the nickel pass rush.
3. LB-Someone with skills comparable to Burnett. Preferably a young guy who can replace Bradie on the nickel defense and be a solid backup at either inside or outside LB.
4. Pass Rusher-With Ellis' future being uncertain we need someone who can rush the passer from the outside to make sure Ware and Carpenter get breaks during the game. Could be DE or LB in our scheme it doesn't matter.
5. S-A 2nd day player who can play right away in nickel situations for Roy. Won't get a lot of playing time and can't be too aggressive.
6. QB-We need a veteran backup for Romo and possibly a developmental guy.

Edit-Forgot CB. Preferably a later round guy with tons of potential. Reeves and Jones would both be serviceable as a nickel corner if we ever needed one and probably could be for years to come, but I would like to invest a 2nd day pick on a guy who could eventually start for us. The ability to return punts would be a bonus.

[Staubach12]

Why is Safety so low on your list, JDallas?

[Staubach12]

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

McQwistan is the guy who broke Austin free on his kick return yesterday...he blocked two guys...I really liked what I saw of him on special teams...this just goes further to proove that OT isn't a first round need. However...Jared Gaither is very intriguing.

I think after next year, when Flozell's contract is up, I think BigMac will be our starting LT.

[CTCowboysFan]

Why is Safety so low on your list, JDallas?

Because Watkins is the future.

[Jdallas]

Why is Safety so low on your list, JDallas?

Because I still believe that Watkins can be the future.

Before the draft he was the number 3 safety on my draft board behind Huff and Bullocks. His play at FSU and his amazing measurables made me believe he would be a very good player in this league.

If you remember in the preseason I said I thought it would be a year before he started because his body wasn't thick enough to be a fulltime player. He exceeded my expectations this year by starting so many games and has invaluable experience.

I didn't see anything to make me believe that I was wrong about him prior to the draft. I knew he was an exceptional special teams player. I knew that he had the physical ability to play the position and perhaps play it differently than anyone has before. He seemed like a guy that could sit back there in zone coverage and just not get beat deep which was what I thought we needed at FS.

If you remember when he got benched it was because he got beat in man coverage and also seemed to have trouble judging the ball in the air. He performed well in the roles that I thought he should and showed that he has the ability to play the position. He'll probably never be great in man coverage because of his height, but should be able to cover TEs and should have no problem playing zone. He actually impressed me with his ability in run support as I didn't expect much out of him there.

If a guy like Landry dropped to us I wouldn't get mad about picking him, but I wouldn't get overly excitied. Someone like him would allow us to do some very interesting things defensively, but I know it's not our biggest need.




If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

Now that I think about it a guy like Landry could fill a couple needs as he could probably develop into a guy you could play in the slot if you wanted, but I would have to take some more time thinking about whether that is something I would want or not.

I still think that OG and a backup NT are our biggest needs by far.

[Jdallas]

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

McQwistan is the guy who broke Austin free on his kick return yesterday...he blocked two guys...I really liked what I saw of him on special teams...this just goes further to proove that OT isn't a first round need. However...Jared Gaither is very intriguing.

I think after next year, when Flozell's contract is up, I think BigMac will be our starting LT.

He started a couple games this preseason and he certainly didn't look lost out there or anything. He'll be a player in the near future.

[CTCowboysFan]

If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

THANK YOU. OMG yes. Exactly. That's exactly what I want to do. I posted a while back that I think if we got a cheap safety who could play in Roy's place on passing downs that it could really benefit us. Also moving him to linebacker in that situation would be huge!

Watkins was probably 1 of 2 players I actually projected the Boys getting and we all wanted a guy with size who could be a ballhawk. Watkins can be, especially if we stick with him this next year.

[cowboysforever]

Also, with McQuistan being active for the last few games of the season, and Parcells praising him for doing well, and his new role on special teams, I wouldn't be surprised if BP had some plans for him in the near future. I'm not saying he's our starting LT next season, but I think BP is going to start to try and mold him into that future LT. We might have something with him.

McQwistan is the guy who broke Austin free on his kick return yesterday...he blocked two guys...I really liked what I saw of him on special teams...this just goes further to proove that OT isn't a first round need. However...Jared Gaither is very intriguing.

I think after next year, when Flozell's contract is up, I think BigMac will be our starting LT.

He started a couple games this preseason and he certainly didn't look lost out there or anything. He'll be a player in the near future.

Thule is right. Jared Gaither is interesting if that happens. He is like 6'9 340 lbs and ran a 4.75 in High School. But I can't imagine a franchise LT slipping past 5. Another freak from Maryland.

Be nice to see a hard working kids with skills make it. Hurd, Austin and McQuistan. Let us see what Whitley does in the OS.

Is Montavius even with the team in any way?

[cowboysforever]

If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

THANK YOU. OMG yes. Exactly. That's exactly what I want to do. I posted a while back that I think if we got a cheap safety who could play in Roy's place on passing downs that it could really benefit us. Also moving him to linebacker in that situation would be huge!

Watkins was probably 1 of 2 players I actually projected the Boys getting and we all wanted a guy with size who could be a ballhawk. Watkins can be, especially if we stick with him this next year.

Ya don't think Elam and Watkins at safety with Roy in Rover on 3rd gets it done?

How much cheaper can you go at the safety position? Curious ....

[CTCowboysFan]

If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

THANK YOU. OMG yes. Exactly. That's exactly what I want to do. I posted a while back that I think if we got a cheap safety who could play in Roy's place on passing downs that it could really benefit us. Also moving him to linebacker in that situation would be huge!

Watkins was probably 1 of 2 players I actually projected the Boys getting and we all wanted a guy with size who could be a ballhawk. Watkins can be, especially if we stick with him this next year.

Ya don't think Elam and Watkins at safety with Roy in Rover on 3rd gets it done?

How much cheaper can you go at the safety position? Curious ....

We mean somebody with actual talent. No offense but Elam isn't exactly what we are looking for. We mean somebody whose specialty is coverage but would be cheap.

[cowboysforever]

I want a new receiver as bad as the next but I feel like we are taking Crayton for granted. He is good. In fact I think he is great. Not only that but he probably has the best relationship with Romo out of all the receivers.

And another reason I don't think we go receiver is because Jerry already said TO is coming back so I don't even think the receiver position will get touched this off-season, which is unfortunate considering the draft class.

You don't think this is Jerry trying to find trade value for TO?

Can't throw him over board at this point and get something for him obviously.

Have a hard time believing this story for a variety of reasons one of which is that it hand cuffs any coach going into 2007.

[cowboysforever]

If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

THANK YOU. OMG yes. Exactly. That's exactly what I want to do. I posted a while back that I think if we got a cheap safety who could play in Roy's place on passing downs that it could really benefit us. Also moving him to linebacker in that situation would be huge!

Watkins was probably 1 of 2 players I actually projected the Boys getting and we all wanted a guy with size who could be a ballhawk. Watkins can be, especially if we stick with him this next year.

Ya don't think Elam and Watkins at safety with Roy in Rover on 3rd gets it done?

How much cheaper can you go at the safety position? Curious ....

We mean somebody with actual talent. No offense but Elam isn't exactly what we are looking for. We mean somebody whose specialty is coverage but would be cheap.

If you want a cheap SS why not Elam? He looked pretty good pre-season and was a big time FL recruit. Miami, FSU, et al wanted him.

Unless you want to play Watkins and some other FS in a 2 Deep type alignment.

Interesting debate.

[cowboysforever]

First to 100.

[dpl85]

I really hope we don't sit on our butts in FA, we have to be agressive, not to the point where we overpay marginal talent like Washington but we have to sign some really good FAs and have a really good draft. If we're successful in that regard I think we can legitimately compete for a super bowl next year.

[$KidCowboy$]

First to 100.

nice.

What do you guys think about Michael Johnson if we were to go 2 deep and move Roy?

[cowboysforever]

I really hope we don't sit on our butts in FA, we have to be agressive, not to the point where we overpay marginal talent like Washington but we have to sign some really good FAs and have a really good draft. If we're successful in that regard I think we can legitimately compete for a super bowl next year.

I think Number 10 made light of it but it will be interesting to see how teams spend all the extra cap money and if you have Salary inflation and at what positions.

Lot so recent Cowboy contract may go from expensive to moderately ok in the matter of months.

We shall see.

[CTCowboysFan]

I want a new receiver as bad as the next but I feel like we are taking Crayton for granted. He is good. In fact I think he is great. Not only that but he probably has the best relationship with Romo out of all the receivers.

And another reason I don't think we go receiver is because Jerry already said TO is coming back so I don't even think the receiver position will get touched this off-season, which is unfortunate considering the draft class.

You don't think this is Jerry trying to find trade value for TO?

Can't throw him over board at this point and get something for him obviously.

Have a hard time believing this story for a variety of reasons one of which is that it hand cuffs any coach going into 2007.

That would be nice if you were right. That'd be sweet to get a pick out of him too. Ship him off to KC for like a second rounder.

[CTCowboysFan]

If you want a cheap SS why not Elam? He looked pretty good pre-season and was a big time FL recruit. Miami, FSU, et al wanted him.

Unless you want to play Watkins and some other FS in a 2 Deep type alignment.

Interesting debate.

I suppose Elam could work I was thinking of a veteran cover guy who wouln't make too many mistakes but doesn't have the stamina to be a fulltime starter and doesn't tackle well. But I suppose a guy like Elam could be a sleeper I am not thinking about.

[cowboysforever]

I want a new receiver as bad as the next but I feel like we are taking Crayton for granted. He is good. In fact I think he is great. Not only that but he probably has the best relationship with Romo out of all the receivers.

And another reason I don't think we go receiver is because Jerry already said TO is coming back so I don't even think the receiver position will get touched this off-season, which is unfortunate considering the draft class.

You don't think this is Jerry trying to find trade value for TO?

Can't throw him over board at this point and get something for him obviously.

Have a hard time believing this story for a variety of reasons one of which is that it hand cuffs any coach going into 2007.

That would be nice if you were right. That'd be sweet to get a pick out of him too. Ship him off to KC for like a second rounder.

Given the TO soap opera just have a hard time believing the story as is. KC could certainly use him.

Overall, I do think the Cowboys have some bargainable chips for trades. Would be nice to see them be active. Give some young guys a chance to play somewhere else and use the extra picks to load up. Fasano and Burnett come to mind as being back-ups who need a shot but won't get it in Dallas.

O Line, FS, WR, RB, Backup QB and pass rushing OLB are all needs. All things being equal, I say go BPA given our talent level.

Have a great evening ladies.

[cowboysforever]

Picked this from the DMN articel from Matt Mosley .... I came to BURY him not praise him ....

"Lions quarterback Jon Kitna told a Seattle radio station earlier this week that Cowboys linebacker Bradie James looked completely lost when he watched him on film. James got beat by Jerramy Stevens on the touchdown pass, but he did finish with 11 tackles Saturday."

[Jdallas]

If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

THANK YOU. OMG yes. Exactly. That's exactly what I want to do. I posted a while back that I think if we got a cheap safety who could play in Roy's place on passing downs that it could really benefit us. Also moving him to linebacker in that situation would be huge!

Watkins was probably 1 of 2 players I actually projected the Boys getting and we all wanted a guy with size who could be a ballhawk. Watkins can be, especially if we stick with him this next year.

I wouldn't like him at a true nickel LB for more than say 5 plays a game. The monster back role which I think is very similar if not the same thing that cowboysforever's rover role is where I think he could excel.

The thing I struggle the most with Roy is that I'm not sure how much of a team player he is and how dedicated he is. He has the physical talent to be a lot better than he is, but doesn't always play within his role. The monster role could give him more freedom to make plays.

[Jdallas]

Picked this from the DMN articel from Matt Mosley .... I came to BURY him not praise him ....

"Lions quarterback Jon Kitna told a Seattle radio station earlier this week that Cowboys linebacker Bradie James looked completely lost when he watched him on film. James got beat by Jerramy Stevens on the touchdown pass, but he did finish with 11 tackles Saturday."

Just a note on the Stevens pass where it looks like Bradie is beat. Technically the coverage is designed to have a LB in zone underneath and a safety over the top. There is a hole in the zone between the two and the coverage is designed so that if the TE/Receiver is going up the field the LB can chase and force the QB to put more air under the ball to give the safety more time to react and create a more difficult pass. I'm not saying a faster LB wouldn't be better in that situation because it would, I'm just trying to explain it's more Roy's fault for being out of position than Bradie's. Bradie was performing the coverage correct to the best of his abilities, but Roy wasn't there over the top.

Like I said in my list of needs I think we need one more nickel LB. Bradie is perfect for our 3-4 and he needs his size to hold up against guards in the running game and he does a great job of that, but I never really understood why he also played in the nickel defense. He may be improved over when he came here, but he just doesn't have the physical ability to thrive in that role.

It's too bad that we didn't move Hoyte to FB earlier in the season. I think it's obvious he outplayed Polite in that role and should only get better with experience. I don't blame the coaching staff for not moving him in training camp and I actually think it's a credit to them that they did eventually move him, but if he would have been a FB in training camp we would have had one LB spot open which could have been filled by Shanle or Boiman who I think could have excelled playing in the nickel defense.

[cowboysforever]

If you noticed in my list of needs I wanted a cheap safety to play some nickel when you don't want Roy back there. He would probably only play like 15 defensive plays in a game in very obvious pass situations and also for a changeup defensive formation.

The changeup formations would have Roy switch to a LB role in the nickel. He wouldn't be a true LB, but more like a moster back for those of you that are familiar with the role. He would be lined up a couple yards farther back than a LB and would be able to freelance quite a bit and maybe shadow certain players.

THANK YOU. OMG yes. Exactly. That's exactly what I want to do. I posted a while back that I think if we got a cheap safety who could play in Roy's place on passing downs that it could really benefit us. Also moving him to linebacker in that situation would be huge!

Watkins was probably 1 of 2 players I actually projected the Boys getting and we all wanted a guy with size who could be a ballhawk. Watkins can be, especially if we stick with him this next year.

I wouldn't like him at a true nickel LB for more than say 5 plays a game. The monster back role which I think is very similar if not the same thing that cowboysforever's rover role is where I think he could excel.

The thing I struggle the most with Roy is that I'm not sure how much of a team player he is and how dedicated he is. He has the physical talent to be a lot better than he is, but doesn't always play within his role. The monster role could give him more freedom to make plays.

Roy has been rewarded for mediocrity last few seasons. His best season was as a rookie behind a HOF FS.

The common comment on Roy is he is one of the most defensive players in the locker room and does not like to be critiqued. Is he selfish? Dunno.

I will say he needs to dedicate himself to being in tip top shape and getting himself back to 4.53 speed. Needs to work every day on playing SAFETY. Not LB.

Funny cuz I read his eval coming out of college and the Weaknesses listed on him coming out are EXACTLY the same he has today. As if he has not improved at all in 4 years.

[cowboysforever]

Picked this from the DMN articel from Matt Mosley .... I came to BURY him not praise him ....

"Lions quarterback Jon Kitna told a Seattle radio station earlier this week that Cowboys linebacker Bradie James looked completely lost when he watched him on film. James got beat by Jerramy Stevens on the touchdown pass, but he did finish with 11 tackles Saturday."

Just a note on the Stevens pass where it looks like Bradie is beat. Technically the coverage is designed to have a LB in zone underneath and a safety over the top. There is a hole in the zone between the two and the coverage is designed so that if the TE/Receiver is going up the field the LB can chase and force the QB to put more air under the ball to give the safety more time to react and create a more difficult pass. I'm not saying a faster LB wouldn't be better in that situation because it would, I'm just trying to explain it's more Roy's fault for being out of position than Bradie's. Bradie was performing the coverage correct to the best of his abilities, but Roy wasn't there over the top.

Like I said in my list of needs I think we need one more nickel LB. Bradie is perfect for our 3-4 and he needs his size to hold up against guards in the running game and he does a great job of that, but I never really understood why he also played in the nickel defense. He may be improved over when he came here, but he just doesn't have the physical ability to thrive in that role.

It's too bad that we didn't move Hoyte to FB earlier in the season. I think it's obvious he outplayed Polite in that role and should only get better with experience. I don't blame the coaching staff for not moving him in training camp and I actually think it's a credit to them that they did eventually move him, but if he would have been a FB in training camp we would have had one LB spot open which could have been filled by Shanle or Boiman who I think could have excelled playing in the nickel defense.

Good point on Hoyte and the implications with Boiman or Shanle.

I strongly disagree with you argument over needing Bradie or Akin playing 250-260 to hold up versus the run.

No other 3-4 team has such big ILB. In addition plus 10 pounds don't mean much when guards are playing 310-330 pounds.

BP's vision of ILB's is very 80s when Guards ran 280 lbs and his ILBs where 240-245. Guards where not big and usually where not terribly athletic either. 40 lbs of difference does not make up for the athletics.

330 versus 250 is 80 pounds. DOUBLE is a huge difference and also Guards are more athletic today if you ask me.

Sorry but given the size disparity I would just as soon have guys who are fast and can play coverage.

With that said, I think we need a bigger, more powerful NT. All the good 3-4 play 325lbs plus at NT and Fergie is 310. Wilfork, Hampton, Williams are 325 to 345.

I know I am repeating but it seems so obvious to me. I fault BP for this misconfiguration.

[Jdallas]

Picked this from the DMN articel from Matt Mosley .... I came to BURY him not praise him ....

"Lions quarterback Jon Kitna told a Seattle radio station earlier this week that Cowboys linebacker Bradie James looked completely lost when he watched him on film. James got beat by Jerramy Stevens on the touchdown pass, but he did finish with 11 tackles Saturday."

Just a note on the Stevens pass where it looks like Bradie is beat. Technically the coverage is designed to have a LB in zone underneath and a safety over the top. There is a hole in the zone between the two and the coverage is designed so that if the TE/Receiver is going up the field the LB can chase and force the QB to put more air under the ball to give the safety more time to react and create a more difficult pass. I'm not saying a faster LB wouldn't be better in that situation because it would, I'm just trying to explain it's more Roy's fault for being out of position than Bradie's. Bradie was performing the coverage correct to the best of his abilities, but Roy wasn't there over the top.

Like I said in my list of needs I think we need one more nickel LB. Bradie is perfect for our 3-4 and he needs his size to hold up against guards in the running game and he does a great job of that, but I never really understood why he also played in the nickel defense. He may be improved over when he came here, but he just doesn't have the physical ability to thrive in that role.

It's too bad that we didn't move Hoyte to FB earlier in the season. I think it's obvious he outplayed Polite in that role and should only get better with experience. I don't blame the coaching staff for not moving him in training camp and I actually think it's a credit to them that they did eventually move him, but if he would have been a FB in training camp we would have had one LB spot open which could have been filled by Shanle or Boiman who I think could have excelled playing in the nickel defense.

Good point on Hoyte and the implications with Boiman or Shanle.

I strongly disagree with you argument over needing Bradie or Akin playing 250-260 to hold up versus the run.

No other 3-4 team has such big ILB. In addition plus 10 pounds don't mean much when guards are playing 310-330 pounds.

BP's vision of ILB's is very 80s when Guards ran 280 lbs and his ILBs where 240-245. Guards where not big and usually where not terribly athletic either. 40 lbs of difference does not make up for the athletics.

330 versus 250 is 80 pounds. DOUBLE is a huge difference and also Guards are more athletic today if you ask me.

Sorry but given the size disparity I would just as soon have guys who are fast and can play coverage.

With that said, I think we need a bigger, more powerful NT. All the good 3-4 play 325lbs plus at NT and Fergie is 310. Wilfork, Hampton, Williams are 325 to 345.

I know I am repeating but it seems so obvious to me. I fault BP for this misconfiguration.

Well, something that I know you're absolutely wrong on is Fergie. He may not be the size of other DTs, but he does an outstanding job of defending the run. If you were to criticize him it would be that he isn't a pass rushing force like a Wilfork is, but I don't really expect that out of him. He is big enough and he dominates his opponent every week.

I'm not going to argue that a 230 pound LB can't go up against a 315 poung guard. We all saw Dat Nguyen do it last year and he was good at it. Being bigger allows you to not lose your stamina when doing it over the course of a game or a season. Bradie James is good enough at pass defense to do it when we're in the 3-4 and they pass, but I think we should get bring another guy in when we go to nickel or dime and are putting pass defense as a priority.

[Staubach12]

I really hope we don't sit on our butts in FA, we have to be agressive, not to the point where we overpay marginal talent like Washington but we have to sign some really good FAs and have a really good draft. If we're successful in that regard I think we can legitimately compete for a super bowl next year.

Well, if we want to talk about Free Agency, who do you guys want?

[cowboysforever]

Picked this from the DMN articel from Matt Mosley .... I came to BURY him not praise him ....

"Lions quarterback Jon Kitna told a Seattle radio station earlier this week that Cowboys linebacker Bradie James looked completely lost when he watched him on film. James got beat by Jerramy Stevens on the touchdown pass, but he did finish with 11 tackles Saturday."

Just a note on the Stevens pass where it looks like Bradie is beat. Technically the coverage is designed to have a LB in zone underneath and a safety over the top. There is a hole in the zone between the two and the coverage is designed so that if the TE/Receiver is going up the field the LB can chase and force the QB to put more air under the ball to give the safety more time to react and create a more difficult pass. I'm not saying a faster LB wouldn't be better in that situation because it would, I'm just trying to explain it's more Roy's fault for being out of position than Bradie's. Bradie was performing the coverage correct to the best of his abilities, but Roy wasn't there over the top.

Like I said in my list of needs I think we need one more nickel LB. Bradie is perfect for our 3-4 and he needs his size to hold up against guards in the running game and he does a great job of that, but I never really understood why he also played in the nickel defense. He may be improved over when he came here, but he just doesn't have the physical ability to thrive in that role.

It's too bad that we didn't move Hoyte to FB earlier in the season. I think it's obvious he outplayed Polite in that role and should only get better with experience. I don't blame the coaching staff for not moving him in training camp and I actually think it's a credit to them that they did eventually move him, but if he would have been a FB in training camp we would have had one LB spot open which could have been filled by Shanle or Boiman who I think could have excelled playing in the nickel defense.

Good point on Hoyte and the implications with Boiman or Shanle.

I strongly disagree with you argument over needing Bradie or Akin playing 250-260 to hold up versus the run.

No other 3-4 team has such big ILB. In addition plus 10 pounds don't mean much when guards are playing 310-330 pounds.

BP's vision of ILB's is very 80s when Guards ran 280 lbs and his ILBs where 240-245. Guards where not big and usually where not terribly athletic either. 40 lbs of difference does not make up for the athletics.

330 versus 250 is 80 pounds. DOUBLE is a huge difference and also Guards are more athletic today if you ask me.

Sorry but given the size disparity I would just as soon have guys who are fast and can play coverage.

With that said, I think we need a bigger, more powerful NT. All the good 3-4 play 325lbs plus at NT and Fergie is 310. Wilfork, Hampton, Williams are 325 to 345.

I know I am repeating but it seems so obvious to me. I fault BP for this misconfiguration.

Well, something that I know you're absolutely wrong on is Fergie. He may not be the size of other DTs, but he does an outstanding job of defending the run. If you were to criticize him it would be that he isn't a pass rushing force like a Wilfork is, but I don't really expect that out of him. He is big enough and he dominates his opponent every week.

I'm not going to argue that a 230 pound LB can't go up against a 315 poung guard. We all saw Dat Nguyen do it last year and he was good at it. Being bigger allows you to not lose your stamina when doing it over the course of a game or a season. Bradie James is good enough at pass defense to do it when we're in the 3-4 and they pass, but I think we should get bring another guy in when we go to nickel or dime and are putting pass defense as a priority.

I love Fergie. I have nothing but nice things to say of him. I think he is above average but he is not in Jamaal Williams, Hampton or Wilfork's class.

Well, Bradie may some day be good in coverage but according to Jon Kitna and my eye balls he is horrid.

I just don't see how you can keep Bradie James and Roy Williams on the field at the same time and expect to provide adequate pass coverage versus TE and RBs or WR in crossing routes.

One liability. OK, we can "scheme" that. But 2 liabilities at the same time in the same middle area of the field? It would be like playing two DTs at 250 lbs in a 4-3.

I just can not see it happening.

[Staubach12]

Also, if you haven't seen our opponents for next year, it's good news. We play N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, St. Louis, New England, N.Y. Jets at Home. N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Carolina, Buffalo, Miami Away. Wow. At this point, that looks very good.

[cowboysforever]

I really hope we don't sit on our butts in FA, we have to be agressive, not to the point where we overpay marginal talent like Washington but we have to sign some really good FAs and have a really good draft. If we're successful in that regard I think we can legitimately compete for a super bowl next year.

Well, if we want to talk about Free Agency, who do you guys want?

Well the hardest spot on the field to get rookies to play big time is OL so ...... I guess number 1 priority. My only problem is how can you justify spending AGAIN on a Guard. Jeez.

The second area is an edge rusher and young DT/NT. Adalius Thomas (big $$$$$) and Sands from Oakland (will draw some interest).

[cowboysforever]

Also, if you haven't seen our opponents for next year, it's good news. We play N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, St. Louis, New England, N.Y. Jets at Home. N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Carolina, Buffalo, Miami Away. Wow. At this point, that looks very good.

AFC East is fairly weak but Buf and Jets are vastly improved.

Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, St Louis, Carolina and GreenBay don't scare anybody. Only Greenbay looks to be much better next year.

I am going on a limb and predicting 13-3 if BP comes back.

[BX]

Don't crap on Carolina because they underperformed this season. They're still a dangerous team, and I expect them to bounce back next season.

All I'll say about Saturday night is I came away from it with a new dent in the side of my car. Frustration will do that.

[cowboysforever]

Petrino to ATL.

By the way on the TO, Marco Rivera, Kosier, Williams and James contracts etc...... if cut them or trade them ..... (I know we won't)

Before June 1 -- we would have dead cap of Vanderjerk (1.6) + TO (6.6MM) + Rivera (5.4MM) + Kosier (4MM) + Williams (7.75MM) + Bradie (6.4MM) = 31.4MM

After June 1 Dead Cap = 1.6 + 3.3 + 2.7 + 2 + 3.8 + 3.2 = 16.6

At least based on what is published on the internet about the contracts given. JBJ is a generous man with mediocre talent

[Staubach12]

Petrino to ATL.

By the way on the TO, Marco Rivera, Kosier, Williams and James contracts etc...... if cut them or trade them ..... (I know we won't)

Before June 1 -- we would have dead cap of Vanderjerk (1.6) + TO (6.6MM) + Rivera (5.4MM) + Kosier (4MM) + Williams (7.75MM) + Bradie (6.4MM) = 31.4MM

After June 1 Dead Cap = 1.6 + 3.3 + 2.7 + 2 + 3.8 + 3.2 = 16.6

At least based on what is published on the internet about the contracts given. JBJ is a generous man with mediocre talent

Where did you find that info?

[Jdallas]

Don't crap on Carolina because they underperformed this season. They're still a dangerous team, and I expect them to bounce back next season.

All I'll say about Saturday night is I came away from it with a new dent in the side of my car. Frustration will do that.

I'll crap on Carolina all I want until they get a real QB.

[thule]

Picked this from the DMN articel from Matt Mosley .... I came to BURY him not praise him ....

"Lions quarterback Jon Kitna told a Seattle radio station earlier this week that Cowboys linebacker Bradie James looked completely lost when he watched him on film. James got beat by Jerramy Stevens on the touchdown pass, but he did finish with 11 tackles Saturday."

Just a note on the Stevens pass where it looks like Bradie is beat. Technically the coverage is designed to have a LB in zone underneath and a safety over the top. There is a hole in the zone between the two and the coverage is designed so that if the TE/Receiver is going up the field the LB can chase and force the QB to put more air under the ball to give the safety more time to react and create a more difficult pass. I'm not saying a faster LB wouldn't be better in that situation because it would, I'm just trying to explain it's more Roy's fault for being out of position than Bradie's. Bradie was performing the coverage correct to the best of his abilities, but Roy wasn't there over the top.

Like I said in my list of needs I think we need one more nickel LB. Bradie is perfect for our 3-4 and he needs his size to hold up against guards in the running game and he does a great job of that, but I never really understood why he also played in the nickel defense. He may be improved over when he came here, but he just doesn't have the physical ability to thrive in that role.

It's too bad that we didn't move Hoyte to FB earlier in the season. I think it's obvious he outplayed Polite in that role and should only get better with experience. I don't blame the coaching staff for not moving him in training camp and I actually think it's a credit to them that they did eventually move him, but if he would have been a FB in training camp we would have had one LB spot open which could have been filled by Shanle or Boiman who I think could have excelled playing in the nickel defense.

I can't remember who pointed this guys out...but his name was mentioned about 10 pages ago.

Sabby Piscitelli (6'2", 221, 4.52)
He is a SS playing for Oregon State. He is at his best when playing in a zone. Has a mean streak. Possesses adequate top-end speed and shows adequate range. Possesses good athletic ability, can change directions quickly and flashes the ability to stay with tight ends in man coverage. Is tall, has good leaping ability and can compete for jump balls. Has good ball skills and flashes the ability to make the big play in coverage. Plays with a good motor and should make special teams' contributions early on.

He has trouble disengaging blocks and he won't be able to man up one on one with the slot reciever.

Anyways...this guy screams what your calling for to me. He is a second day pick at this point..and won't run a great time. He could do wonders playing deep middle with Watkins...plus we would have good size back their against the deep ball.

[V. Young]

Stupid romo, cut em cutem