Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[charles_haley_rules]

Well, now that Wade is on board, expect a heavy dose of blitzing. This is a double edged sword, because it will generate pressure, but also expose the secondary a little bit. With Henry getting older and a lack of quality play out of the safeties, it could go either way.

One thing to note abot Phillips, he does a horrible job developing DB talent. He also exposes them alot with his blitz heavy schemes. So you better hope that front 7 really steps it up this year, because if they don't, the DBs will be in for a long year.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

did you even watch any of the games htis year? the secondary was roasted all season because of a lack of pressure. qb's could stay back and wait for the plays to develope, making safeties commit, then getting burned when the qb takes option 2. Peyton killed the Bears because they couldnt get pressure. He checked down from the deep routes to tight ends and running backs. If he has pressure, he wouldn;t be able to do that.

Run the ball. Get pressure on the QB. Simple stuff.

[Ward]

Our secondary > San Diego's.

If he left San Diego's secondary on islands every now and then, it somehow worked out for them with Quentin Jammer as the only star out there. I think we'll fare fine, especially if Bowles stays. He seems to have done a good job.

[LSUALUM99]

Well, Wade Phillips hasn't officially been announced so it's still a bit premature to assume he's the coach.

But, here's my question to the Wade Phillips detractors. Most everyone thinks that switching to a 4-3 would be a step backwards at this point. Most everyone thinks that Garrett is here to run the offense and I'm not sure he could really do that effectively under Norv or another Offensively minded HC. Phillips is an older coach so in 3 or 4 years he'd be in position to hand the reigns to Garrett if Garrett proves worthy of that.

Hiring a strong defensively minded HC gives you the opportunity to hire an up and coming DC under his tutilege.

I think of all the likely candidates he makes the most sense if Garrett is the long term solution. Rivera wouldn't fit that because you'd have Rivera as the long term solution. I'm not saying it's a good idea or not to have Garrett as the solution, but it does appear that is the plan. If that's the plan, then Phillips is the most logical solution.

[JJJ888]

dallascowboys.com is reporting (as of 10:30 this morning) that there are TWO front-runners for the head-coaching position: Wade Phillips and Norv Turner:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=A22C7FEB-D471-9495-49DACF2EE537711E

[bigbluedefense]

Well, now that Wade is on board, expect a heavy dose of blitzing. This is a double edged sword, because it will generate pressure, but also expose the secondary a little bit. With Henry getting older and a lack of quality play out of the safeties, it could go either way.

One thing to note abot Phillips, he does a horrible job developing DB talent. He also exposes them alot with his blitz heavy schemes. So you better hope that front 7 really steps it up this year, because if they don't, the DBs will be in for a long year.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

did you even watch any of the games htis year? the secondary was roasted all season because of a lack of pressure. qb's could stay back and wait for the plays to develope, making safeties commit, then getting burned when the qb takes option 2. Peyton killed the Bears because they couldnt get pressure. He checked down from the deep routes to tight ends and running backs. If he has pressure, he wouldn;t be able to do that.

Run the ball. Get pressure on the QB. Simple stuff.

Make no mistake, coverage was definately still an issue. I cite the Detroit game as a perfect example. The Cowboys threw the playbook at the Lions, they did a lot of blitzing, alot of 4-3 looks, alot of what you would expect Phillips to bring.

The results? The defense got absolutely roasted. And why? Because let's face it, there are some serious coverage issues. I wont name anyone in particular, but Ive been critical of him many times.

The vulnerability to the big play actually led to more points being put on the board. BP's scheme might have been passive, but it didn't get roasted heavily in games where they played passive.

In games they played aggressive, @ Philly and @ Detroit, they gave up a plethora of points. It wasn't just the pass rush.

And trust me, I saw at least 10 Cowboy games this year.

Now whats important is the ability to get the front 7 to generate more pressure on an individual basis. Ware needs to step it up, Spears needs to step it up etc. Having Ellis back and Carp progressing will definately help. But I think the pressure issues were more of a player problem than anything else.

[thule]

Well, now that Wade is on board, expect a heavy dose of blitzing. This is a double edged sword, because it will generate pressure, but also expose the secondary a little bit. With Henry getting older and a lack of quality play out of the safeties, it could go either way.

One thing to note abot Phillips, he does a horrible job developing DB talent. He also exposes them alot with his blitz heavy schemes. So you better hope that front 7 really steps it up this year, because if they don't, the DBs will be in for a long year.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

did you even watch any of the games htis year? the secondary was roasted all season because of a lack of pressure. qb's could stay back and wait for the plays to develope, making safeties commit, then getting burned when the qb takes option 2. Peyton killed the Bears because they couldnt get pressure. He checked down from the deep routes to tight ends and running backs. If he has pressure, he wouldn;t be able to do that.

Run the ball. Get pressure on the QB. Simple stuff.

Make no mistake, coverage was definately still an issue. I cite the Detroit game as a perfect example. The Cowboys threw the playbook at the Lions, they did a lot of blitzing, alot of 4-3 looks, alot of what you would expect Phillips to bring.

The results? The defense got absolutely roasted. And why? Because let's face it, there are some serious coverage issues. I wont name anyone in particular, but Ive been critical of him many times.

The vulnerability to the big play actually led to more points being put on the board. BP's scheme might have been passive, but it didn't get roasted heavily in games where they played passive.

In games they played aggressive, @ Philly and @ Detroit, they gave up a plethora of points. It wasn't just the pass rush.

And trust me, I saw at least 10 Cowboy games this year.

Now whats important is the ability to get the front 7 to generate more pressure on an individual basis. Ware needs to step it up, Spears needs to step it up etc. Having Ellis back and Carp progressing will definately help. But I think the pressure issues were more of a player problem than anything else.

Indy?

I have a strong feeling Edwards will now become a cowboy which will give us a nice coverage option in the middle.

My question is...what happens to Burnett? Did Wade ever switch to a nickel?

[bigbluedefense]

Well, now that Wade is on board, expect a heavy dose of blitzing. This is a double edged sword, because it will generate pressure, but also expose the secondary a little bit. With Henry getting older and a lack of quality play out of the safeties, it could go either way.

One thing to note abot Phillips, he does a horrible job developing DB talent. He also exposes them alot with his blitz heavy schemes. So you better hope that front 7 really steps it up this year, because if they don't, the DBs will be in for a long year.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

did you even watch any of the games htis year? the secondary was roasted all season because of a lack of pressure. qb's could stay back and wait for the plays to develope, making safeties commit, then getting burned when the qb takes option 2. Peyton killed the Bears because they couldnt get pressure. He checked down from the deep routes to tight ends and running backs. If he has pressure, he wouldn;t be able to do that.

Run the ball. Get pressure on the QB. Simple stuff.

Make no mistake, coverage was definately still an issue. I cite the Detroit game as a perfect example. The Cowboys threw the playbook at the Lions, they did a lot of blitzing, alot of 4-3 looks, alot of what you would expect Phillips to bring.

The results? The defense got absolutely roasted. And why? Because let's face it, there are some serious coverage issues. I wont name anyone in particular, but Ive been critical of him many times.

The vulnerability to the big play actually led to more points being put on the board. BP's scheme might have been passive, but it didn't get roasted heavily in games where they played passive.

In games they played aggressive, @ Philly and @ Detroit, they gave up a plethora of points. It wasn't just the pass rush.

And trust me, I saw at least 10 Cowboy games this year.

Now whats important is the ability to get the front 7 to generate more pressure on an individual basis. Ware needs to step it up, Spears needs to step it up etc. Having Ellis back and Carp progressing will definately help. But I think the pressure issues were more of a player problem than anything else.

Indy?

I have a strong feeling Edwards will now become a cowboy which will give us a nice coverage option in the middle.

My question is...what happens to Burnett? Did Wade ever switch to a nickel?

Go back and watch the Indy game. They weren't that aggressive. In fact, they were pretty passive. They came with some OLB blitzes, but nothing more than that. Alot of zone, alot of rerouting. They were more of a passive defense in that game. Nothing like what they did against Philly or Detroit. They came with alot of all out blitzes in those games, and they got burnt for it.

And yes, on 3rd and long, Wade would come out in some 4 downlinemen fronts. I don't think as much as Zimmer, but he did use it.

[bigbluedefense]

A couple of things to note.

Wade Phillips has coached in the 3-4 and 46 philosophy his whole life. He has incorporated alot of 46 principles into his 3-4 (I made a Buddy Ryan thread in the NFL forum awhile ago, and after some research of my own have learned a great deal about how the scheme has been incorporated into today's schemes).

Now the thing thats relevant to the Cowboys is how this scheme is executed. Like I said before, he runs alot of heavy blitzing, man coverage schemes. Theres alot of different ways to blitz. Especially in the 3-4. Theres the zone blitzing schemes (used heavily by LeBeau), the fireman scheme (used heavily by Phillips and Jim Johnson of the Eagles, also Greg Williams), and a combination of both philosophies (used by BP, Bellichick, that coaching tree, uses alot of LB zones with man coverage on the edges and Cover 1, Cover 0 techniques).

Now why is this relevant? Because the personell requires some changes to execute the different schemes.

Remember, just because he coaches a 3-4 doesn't mean that its the same requirements out of personnell as BP's 3-4. Just like theres a ton of ways to run a 4-3 defense, there are also a lot of different ways to run a 3-4, and different styles require different personnell.

Phillip's defense failed miserably in Atlanta because he forced his scheme on a personnell that couldn't make it work. In Buffalo and SD, he had the personnell for it.


Here in Dallas, he has some personnell for it, but there will be changes required to make it work.

1. He needs a pass coverage LB. The intermediate zones and rerouting etc won't be used that much, so James and Akin will be left in man coverage. I don't think it can work with these 2 guys, he needs to bring in a guy who can survive in man coverage from the ILB position. Perhaps Donnie Edwards? Or he might burden that responsibility on Akin, and use James the same way he used Godfrey. Or he moves Carp inside. We'll see how that goes

2. He needs a SS who can cover. Yes, his SS wasn't great in SD, but he uses both his OLBs as DEs, and that puts added pressure on the SS to be good in coverage. While his SS wasn't great in SD, he was much better in coverage than what the Cowboys have. Agree with it or not, thats the honest truth. So this could present a problem. I still feel the mentioned SS can become alot better if he loses weight. Let's face it, he's not hitting the film room, he's been in the league for awhile, if he didn't do it by now he won't ever do it. The only hope is for him to lose weight, and improve his recovery speed. The pass rush will help his cause as well.

Other than that, I think youre fine. You have good CBs who can hold up in man coverage. You have a dline who can develop into playmakers with some more experience, you have edge rushers in Ware and Ellis.

The question is what he does with Carp. In BP's scheme, he wouldve been used as a Carl Banks type, but Phillips uses his OLBs as almost exclusive pass rushers. Does he move Carp inside? Will this stunt his growth?

Just some things to consider.

[BX]

Our new coach will be announced at 5 p.m. (Central Time?) according to DC.com.

[FinChase]

Our new coach will be announced at 5 p.m. (Central Time?) according to DC.com.

Watch 'em throw a complete curve at us and announce Gary Gibbs as the HC. :D

[CTCowboysFan]

Does anyone know how Wade Philips likes to draft and what direction we might go this year?

[FinChase]

Does anyone know how Wade Philips likes to draft and what direction we might go this year?

I've been wondering that myself. Guess we'll have to go back through his Buffalo and Denver drafts. Of course, JJ and Jeff Ireland (assumably) will have a lot to say about the draft, maybe more so than Phillips.

[Number-94]

Although I didn't want Philips there's one positive. If Spears don't perform now, he has no excuse at all. Missing TC or not Wade will put him in position to make plays.

[CTCowboysFan]

Here are some notable players he drafted from 95-00 with the Bills

Ruben Brown
Eric Moulds
Antowain Smith
Marcellus Wiley
Sam Cowart
Antoine Winfield
Peerless Price
Shawn Bryson
Keith Newman
Sammy Morris

It looks like he targeted players from Michigan, Ohio State, Tennessee, and Notre Dame. He also took some Texas guys too so I'd be on the look out for that.

[D-Unit]

Does anyone know how Wade Philips likes to draft and what direction we might go this year?
A lot will depend on what we do in FA first.

[CTCowboysFan]

Does anyone know how Wade Philips likes to draft and what direction we might go this year?
A lot will depend on what we do in FA first.

True...who do you think we may target?

[M.O.T.H.]

Yay, my numero uno choice got the job. I honestly dont believe that he has to shake up our d too much, I think we should stick with Bradie and Akin in the middle and try to develope one, Bobby Carpenter opposite D Ware. Perfect coach for our personel, lets just say i'm very happy right now. The only negative coming from this is the fact that we lost our chance to Greg Manusky. Here's hoping our next D coord. isn't Todd Bowles.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't think Phillips will have nearly as much muscle as BP in influencing the draft. I think this draft is mostly gonna be run by JJ. If he falls in love with a workout warrior, he will take him, no doubt.

I would look more into what Jerry has done as GM moreso than Wade.

[D-Unit]

Does anyone know how Wade Philips likes to draft and what direction we might go this year?
A lot will depend on what we do in FA first.

True...who do you think we may target?
Andre Gurode, Marc Columbo and Patrick Crayton.

[D-Unit]

I don't think Phillips will have nearly as much muscle as BP in influencing the draft. I think this draft is mostly gonna be run by JJ. If he falls in love with a workout warrior, he will take him, no doubt.

I would look more into what Jerry has done as GM moreso than Wade.
Yeah, I agree. Bust city, here we come! :|

[CTCowboysFan]

Does anyone know how Wade Philips likes to draft and what direction we might go this year?
A lot will depend on what we do in FA first.

True...who do you think we may target?
Andre Gurode, Marc Columbo and Patrick Crayton.

:roll: smart A$$

Yeah Gurode, Crayton, and Colombo are free agent priorities. I am asking NEW free agent targets such as Eric Steinbach.

[M.O.T.H.]

Screw the draft lets just trade every pick we have to get Ed Reed... that's all we really need.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't think Phillips will have nearly as much muscle as BP in influencing the draft. I think this draft is mostly gonna be run by JJ. If he falls in love with a workout warrior, he will take him, no doubt.

I would look more into what Jerry has done as GM moreso than Wade.
Yeah, I agree. Bust city, here we come! :|

well....in defense of JJ.....he got some good guys once in awhile......





........ :|

[Paul]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.

[D-Unit]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

[Poet3334]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.

[Staubach12]

To BBDs big write up, I say we have Roy lose weight, which he already mentioned, and move Carp to ILB and develop him into that cover guy. With that move, I wouldn't be surprised to see a pass rusher ala Jarvas Moss drafted.I think with JJ (and Ireland) drafting, I think we'll be more likely to go offense in the 1st, whether that be OL or WR.

[dickson1187]

A couple of things to note.

Wade Phillips has coached in the 3-4 and 46 philosophy his whole life. He has incorporated alot of 46 principles into his 3-4 (I made a Buddy Ryan thread in the NFL forum awhile ago, and after some research of my own have learned a great deal about how the scheme has been incorporated into today's schemes).

Now the thing thats relevant to the Cowboys is how this scheme is executed. Like I said before, he runs alot of heavy blitzing, man coverage schemes. Theres alot of different ways to blitz. Especially in the 3-4. Theres the zone blitzing schemes (used heavily by LeBeau), the fireman scheme (used heavily by Phillips and Jim Johnson of the Eagles, also Greg Williams), and a combination of both philosophies (used by BP, Bellichick, that coaching tree, uses alot of LB zones with man coverage on the edges and Cover 1, Cover 0 techniques).

Now why is this relevant? Because the personell requires some changes to execute the different schemes.

Remember, just because he coaches a 3-4 doesn't mean that its the same requirements out of personnell as BP's 3-4. Just like theres a ton of ways to run a 4-3 defense, there are also a lot of different ways to run a 3-4, and different styles require different personnell.

Phillip's defense failed miserably in Atlanta because he forced his scheme on a personnell that couldn't make it work. In Buffalo and SD, he had the personnell for it.


Here in Dallas, he has some personnell for it, but there will be changes required to make it work.

1. He needs a pass coverage LB. The intermediate zones and rerouting etc won't be used that much, so James and Akin will be left in man coverage. I don't think it can work with these 2 guys, he needs to bring in a guy who can survive in man coverage from the ILB position. Perhaps Donnie Edwards? Or he might burden that responsibility on Akin, and use James the same way he used Godfrey. Or he moves Carp inside. We'll see how that goes

2. He needs a SS who can cover. Yes, his SS wasn't great in SD, but he uses both his OLBs as DEs, and that puts added pressure on the SS to be good in coverage. While his SS wasn't great in SD, he was much better in coverage than what the Cowboys have. Agree with it or not, thats the honest truth. So this could present a problem. I still feel the mentioned SS can become alot better if he loses weight. Let's face it, he's not hitting the film room, he's been in the league for awhile, if he didn't do it by now he won't ever do it. The only hope is for him to lose weight, and improve his recovery speed. The pass rush will help his cause as well.

Other than that, I think youre fine. You have good CBs who can hold up in man coverage. You have a dline who can develop into playmakers with some more experience, you have edge rushers in Ware and Ellis.

The question is what he does with Carp. In BP's scheme, he wouldve been used as a Carl Banks type, but Phillips uses his OLBs as almost exclusive pass rushers. Does he move Carp inside? Will this stunt his growth?

Just some things to consider.

Great thoughts. So hypothetically this raises lots of Q ......

DB: Do we get a SS internally? Watkins or Elam? Do we move Henry to FS and draft a CB? Revis or Ross?

LB: Do we move Burnett inside to be the Donnie Edwards type? Or get Donnie Edwards? Who sits Ayodele or James? Who is most tradable?

DL: Can Fergie protect a smaller ILB like Burnett as well as Jamaal Williams? Will Spears and Canty and Hatcher become pass rushers?

And WTF do we do with Roy?

[dickson1187]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.

I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.

[D-Unit]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.

I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.

[dickson1187]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.

I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.

Jason and Bradie in the 3rd and 4th are good .... Roy and Al at 1 and 2 are not exemplars of quality picks.

[Paul]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.

I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.

Jason and Bradie in the 3rd and 4th are good .... Roy and Al at 1 and 2 are not exemplars of quality picks.

I think you guys have the 2002 and 2003 drafts all mixed up.

2002(The Campo aka Jerry Jones Draft)
Roy Williams
Andre Gurode
Antonio Bryant
Derek Ross
Jamar Martin
Pete Hunter
Waylet Tyson
Deveren Johnson
Bob Slowikowski

2003 (Bill Parcells 1st Year)
Terrence Newman
Al Johnson
Jason Witten
Bradie James
BJ Tucker
Zuriel Smith
Justin Bates

[D-Unit]

Haha! Right.... I forgot how badly we suck w/out BP. :( :( :(

[charles_haley_rules]

The Phillips 3-4 is an attacking scheme. Sorry, I'ld rather live or die by the bliltz than be chewed apart slowly.

Move Henry to safety. Sign Samuel/Clements as FA. Get Adalius Thoms. Pick up a guard in FA. Draft a tackle. Draft a defensive tackle. Draft a corner to eventually replace Aaron Glenn. Draft a reciever. Bam. There you have it.

[Paul]

The Phillips 3-4 is an attacking scheme. Sorry, I'ld rather live or die by the bliltz than be chewed apart slowly.

Move Henry to safety. Sign Samuel/Clements as FA. Get Adalius Thoms. Pick up a guard in FA.

Okay, it is not as easy or as simple as you make it out be. If it was we would all be GMs. Getting Samuel/Clements and Adalius Thoms, will automatcially take a huge portion of our cap away. Plus I have trust in Carp opposite of Ware, and if Wade can use him as he did Shaun Phillips, then were set. No need to put more money into a position if it's not needed.


Draft a tackle. Draft a defensive tackle. Draft a corner to eventually replace Aaron Glenn. Draft a reciever. Bam. There you have it.

Again, not that simple. You act as if whoever we draft will automatically be the answer there and will produce. You can't just say "draft this position" or "draft that position" without assigning player there, and explaining how they will help this team. We may have 7 bust in this draft, or 7 studs. But there is never a "Bam.There you have it." solution in the NFL.

[dickson1187]

Hopefully JJ has learned something from BP when it comes to the draft. HOPEFULLY.
As long as we have Jeff Ireland, we should be fine.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Ireland will have a lot more sway this time around.

I think Ireland is gone once BP comes back next year. JJ loves the player personnel stuff.

To BBD: Since Johnson, JJ's drafts have been very bad. JJ's trades even worse.
Aint' that the truth. Although the Roy Williams, Al Johnson, Jason Witten, Bradie James draft was an improvement.

Jason and Bradie in the 3rd and 4th are good .... Roy and Al at 1 and 2 are not exemplars of quality picks.

I think you guys have the 2002 and 2003 drafts all mixed up.

2002(The Campo aka Jerry Jones Draft)
Roy Williams
Andre Gurode
Antonio Bryant
Derek Ross
Jamar Martin
Pete Hunter
Waylet Tyson
Deveren Johnson
Bob Slowikowski

2003 (Bill Parcells 1st Year)
Terrence Newman
Al Johnson
Jason Witten
Bradie James
BJ Tucker
Zuriel Smith
Justin Bates

Excellent point. Our bad. Will be interesting to see how much Ireland being there, as opposed to Lacewell, will effect the evaluations.

2003 - 2004 was Lacewell
2005 - 2006 was Ireland

[bigbluedefense]

Phillips basically runs a 46 style defense. He just masks it with the 3-4 front. But the principles is the fireman philosophy, which is basically today's version of the 46. He disguises his blitzes better with the 3-4 shell, and the gap assignments are slightly varied because of the front, but the basics of the pass coverage/rush are identical.

With an attacking style like this, your rush defense may take a hit. OLBs will whiff more often and overpursue and miss their gap assignment. That leaves them exposed to longer runs on the outside/offtackle. This style puts extra emphasis on the 3 downlinemen to hold their ground against the run game. So its gonna be key for Spears and Canty and Ferguson to step it up this year.

I actually have the same concerns for my team. The Giants hired Spagnuola, also an advocate of the fireman philosophy. The only difference between our defensive philosophy and yours will most likely be the fronts. We're gonna execute it out of the 4-3 instead of the 3-4. Also, we don't necessarily have the personell in the secondary to run it as effectively or as often as you guys. Us, you guys, and Philly will basically have the same style. If Williams gets out of his Cover 2 and goes back to his old style, Washington will too. We'll all basically run the same defense.

Which means we all could be vulnerable to long runs. Thats not something Im looking forward too. Whenever you have an attacking style like this, youre gonna have people whiff every now and then. SD made it work because their front 3 is so killer, they didn't have to worry about it. Dallas doesn't have the front 3 that SD has. So that could present a problem.

As far as the questions that Robert brought up...who knows? We'll just have to wait and see what Wade does.

Im personally a fan of the BP philosophy. Its all about stopping the run, and he designs his defense to do just that. On 3rd and long, then you unleash the pass rush, but on 1st and 2nd, keep it somewhat reserved and stop the run. Its not overly aggressive, its not overly passive (it was only passive in D this year because of the coverage issues, and lack of rush out of the pass rushers). Its also tried and tested. BP had alot of success with it over the years, Bellichick makes it work, Saban made it work, its had success everywhere it went. I was hoping the Giants hired Pepper Johnson and ran the same philosophy, but it didn't work out for us the way I hoped.

The problem I have with attacking style of defenses is that it can be figured out after a couple of years. Thats why outside of Philly, youve seen these styles come and go. Teams get film of it, and figure it out and make it obsolete rather quickly. You have to constantly update your technique or it gets old real fast.

Look at Pittsburgh. Their blitzing style got chewed up badly this year. LeBeau didn't really bring anything new to the defense this year, coming out with the same zone blitzes he did in years past, and his division rivals were ready for it. And they got killed for it. If you can pick it up, this style is left dead in the water. And I expect teams to adjust and do more max protect schemes, and screen passes to counter the new wave of blitz heavy defenses. Football is an evolution, this scheme died during the advant of the WCO because it became obsolete. With the WCO becoming less popular its back, but expect more checkdown/quick slants/sn passes to be incorporated into playbooks this upcoming year to counter the blitz heavy style again.

Or they might not. Who knows. Im curious to see how this pans out.

[bigmac076]

If in Fact Donnie Edwards gets signed in FA, who eventually starts at the two ILB spots? James/Ayodele, Edwards/Ayodele, or Edwards/James. Obviously there would be alot of cycling James, Ayodele, Edwards, and Fowler. What are your guys' thoughts?

[nrcirc]

If in Fact Donnie Edwards gets signed in FA, who eventually starts at the two ILB spots? James/Ayodele, Edwards/Ayodele, or Edwards/James. Obviously there would be alot of cycling James, Ayodele, Edwards, and Fowler. What are your guys' thoughts?

To me signing Ronnie Edwards is a must since he knew Wade system, I don't think will cost a lot, and we need him to direct travel as well. I will sign him and trade Ayodele for David Carr (i know this is not going to happen).

I like this site top 100 ranking: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421386

[bigmac076]

If in Fact Donnie Edwards gets signed in FA, who eventually starts at the two ILB spots? James/Ayodele, Edwards/Ayodele, or Edwards/James. Obviously there would be alot of cycling James, Ayodele, Edwards, and Fowler. What are your guys' thoughts?

To me signing Ronnie Edwards is a must since he knew Wade system, I don't think will cost a lot, and we need him to direct travel as well. I will sign him and trade Ayodele for David Carr (i know this is not going to happen).

I like this site top 100 ranking: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421386
I believe its Donnie, not that it makes a difference. You like James over Ayodele eh? And that trade, just doesn't make sense.

[dickson1187]

Phillips basically runs a 46 style defense. He just masks it with the 3-4 front. But the principles is the fireman philosophy, which is basically today's version of the 46. He disguises his blitzes better with the 3-4 shell, and the gap assignments are slightly varied because of the front, but the basics of the pass coverage/rush are identical.

With an attacking style like this, your rush defense may take a hit. OLBs will whiff more often and overpursue and miss their gap assignment. That leaves them exposed to longer runs on the outside/offtackle. This style puts extra emphasis on the 3 downlinemen to hold their ground against the run game. So its gonna be key for Spears and Canty and Ferguson to step it up this year.

I actually have the same concerns for my team. The Giants hired Spagnuola, also an advocate of the fireman philosophy. The only difference between our defensive philosophy and yours will most likely be the fronts. We're gonna execute it out of the 4-3 instead of the 3-4. Also, we don't necessarily have the personell in the secondary to run it as effectively or as often as you guys. Us, you guys, and Philly will basically have the same style. If Williams gets out of his Cover 2 and goes back to his old style, Washington will too. We'll all basically run the same defense.

Which means we all could be vulnerable to long runs. Thats not something Im looking forward too. Whenever you have an attacking style like this, youre gonna have people whiff every now and then. SD made it work because their front 3 is so killer, they didn't have to worry about it. Dallas doesn't have the front 3 that SD has. So that could present a problem.

As far as the questions that Robert brought up...who knows? We'll just have to wait and see what Wade does.

Im personally a fan of the BP philosophy. Its all about stopping the run, and he designs his defense to do just that. On 3rd and long, then you unleash the pass rush, but on 1st and 2nd, keep it somewhat reserved and stop the run. Its not overly aggressive, its not overly passive (it was only passive in D this year because of the coverage issues, and lack of rush out of the pass rushers). Its also tried and tested. BP had alot of success with it over the years, Bellichick makes it work, Saban made it work, its had success everywhere it went. I was hoping the Giants hired Pepper Johnson and ran the same philosophy, but it didn't work out for us the way I hoped.

The problem I have with attacking style of defenses is that it can be figured out after a couple of years. Thats why outside of Philly, youve seen these styles come and go. Teams get film of it, and figure it out and make it obsolete rather quickly. You have to constantly update your technique or it gets old real fast.

Look at Pittsburgh. Their blitzing style got chewed up badly this year. LeBeau didn't really bring anything new to the defense this year, coming out with the same zone blitzes he did in years past, and his division rivals were ready for it. And they got killed for it. If you can pick it up, this style is left dead in the water. And I expect teams to adjust and do more max protect schemes, and screen passes to counter the new wave of blitz heavy defenses. Football is an evolution, this scheme died during the advant of the WCO because it became obsolete. With the WCO becoming less popular its back, but expect more checkdown/quick slants/sn passes to be incorporated into playbooks this upcoming year to counter the blitz heavy style again.

Or they might not. Who knows. Im curious to see how this pans out.

All Offensive and Defensive schemes get exposed over time. A continious cycle. Great points however. I really love your insights.

But sure enough if what you say is true, Cowboy fans are going to be baching their heads again if Roy Williams and Bradie James don't significantly improve their coverage.

Can you imagine how well Shockey or Smith will do versus the Cowboys if we are play Cover 0/1 blitzing like mad men. Or how well Westbrook would do catching balls in the flat. Oh dear it could get ugly. Liek rewinding the New Orleans tape.

Regardless with a more aggresive scheme, I would propose Burnett and Ayodele as the ILB because they are more fluid LB and can cover. This would also help Roy Williams I think freeing him to switch assignments with one of the ILB on obvious passing situations or changing the DB coverage pre-snap based on personnel. Either way, it is sad to think an ILB covers better than Williams. OLB Carp and Ware.

Big issue though in this scenario is whether Fergie can play Two-Gap NT at 32 and protect the smallish Burnett in running situations. I can see Fergie playing all out 15-20 snaps but over 25?

For this reason, I am starting to think we go NT this year in round 1 or 2 unless we pick up a salary cap NT for a year or two. Can't build a D praying we sack the QB 60 times next year or magically turn Fergie into Jamaal Williams. Hatcher, Spears and Canty will be fine at DE.

DB side, we need some early round talent to groom. Two guys are over 30 (Henry and Glenn) and the other back-ups seem to be that, back-ups. I think we go DB either 1 or 2 and expect a FS to develop internally. I don't like FA for CB -- too expensive and all to frequently get exposed as scheme dependent performers

So I say given our needs on D, and need for an OG, One FA either NT or OG then round 1 and 2 goes CB and remaining need.

[amiyahomiojs]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

[D-Unit]

Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha! :lol:

Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D

[leroyisgod]

Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha! :lol:

Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D

So jealous!!!

[Paul]

Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha! :lol:

Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D

You son of a *****.

[bigbluedefense]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

To be honest with you, when BP retired I breathed a sigh of relief. Wade Phillips is not better than BP, even the old tired version that Dallas had. Everything said in the press conference sounds great. We went through the same thing with Coughlin. Wade is gonna say all the right things. But actions speak louder, and his actions up to this point in his career does not scare me that much.

It might sound weird, but I have a feeling Washington might be back in a big way next year. Thats who is really scaring me right now.

[Poet3334]

Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha! :lol:

Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D

Very nice. Romo also won the QB skills challenge.

[amiyahomiojs]

Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha! :lol:

Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D

You should be boycotting the pro-bowl because Newman is not in it, shame on you.

And BBD, Bill Parcells sucks now, way to conservative and had to have his paws all over everything. Our defense is gonna be so dominant I can't wait!!!!

Fast forward to Septemeber!!!!!!!!!

You know your scared, and without Tiki do you really expect to even make the playoffs? I expect the giants to be picking in the top 10 of the 2008 draft, no offense.

And Wade never had a team with as much talent as we do, the Cowboys are the most talented team in the league. Our defense is gonna get so much pressure, and with Newman and Henry covering you, your screwed.

OMG I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Poet3334]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

To be honest with you, when BP retired I breathed a sigh of relief. Wade Phillips is not better than BP, even the old tired version that Dallas had. Everything said in the press conference sounds great. We went through the same thing with Coughlin. Wade is gonna say all the right things. But actions speak louder, and his actions up to this point in his career does not scare me that much.

It might sound weird, but I have a feeling Washington might be back in a big way next year. Thats who is really scaring me right now.

The thing that worries me most about the Skins is that backfield if Portis comes back strong. Betts played extremely well down the stretch. Could be very potent. That's what you need with a young QB. The defense doesn't frighten me in the least.

[Go Cowboys]

Just got back from the Pro Bowl practice at Aloha Stadium!

Guess who got Tony Romo to sign his Dallas Cowboys helmet???


ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


Almost got in a scrap with a guy who's ankle I stepped on in order to get to Romo, but it was worth it! Haha! :lol:

Tonight... Pro Bowl Block Party in Waikiki! :D :D
Lucky man, now all you have to do is sell it to one of us. :roll:

[bigbluedefense]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

To be honest with you, when BP retired I breathed a sigh of relief. Wade Phillips is not better than BP, even the old tired version that Dallas had. Everything said in the press conference sounds great. We went through the same thing with Coughlin. Wade is gonna say all the right things. But actions speak louder, and his actions up to this point in his career does not scare me that much.

It might sound weird, but I have a feeling Washington might be back in a big way next year. Thats who is really scaring me right now.

The thing that worries me most about the Skins is that backfield if Portis comes back strong. Betts played extremely well down the stretch. Could be very potent. That's what you need with a young QB. The defense doesn't frighten me in the least.

Their defense will be back next year. They had a plethora of injuries this year. Add either Allan Branch or Jamal Anderson to that unit, and its gonna be pretty darned good. Im telling you, its way to early to say anything yet, but they could be back in a big way next year.

As for as the Giants, I can't honestly comment yet. FA and the draft haven't come by yet, who knows what happens. Right now, Im not as optimistic as I was last year, but at the same time, if we can stay healthy and improve our unit via FA and the draft, I don't see why we can't have a fighting man's chance. We afterall did make the playoffs with damn near half the roster injured.

Everything will be clearer after the draft. Right now, who knows how things pan out. NO made the NFC championship game with good coaching, good FA moves, and a solid draft. So anything is possible.

[amiyahomiojs]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

To be honest with you, when BP retired I breathed a sigh of relief. Wade Phillips is not better than BP, even the old tired version that Dallas had. Everything said in the press conference sounds great. We went through the same thing with Coughlin. Wade is gonna say all the right things. But actions speak louder, and his actions up to this point in his career does not scare me that much.

It might sound weird, but I have a feeling Washington might be back in a big way next year. Thats who is really scaring me right now.

The thing that worries me most about the Skins is that backfield if Portis comes back strong. Betts played extremely well down the stretch. Could be very potent. That's what you need with a young QB. The defense doesn't frighten me in the least.

Their defense will be back next year. They had a plethora of injuries this year. Add either Allan Branch or Jamal Anderson to that unit, and its gonna be pretty darned good. Im telling you, its way to early to say anything yet, but they could be back in a big way next year.

As for as the Giants, I can't honestly comment yet. FA and the draft haven't come by yet, who knows what happens. Right now, Im not as optimistic as I was last year, but at the same time, if we can stay healthy and improve our unit via FA and the draft, I don't see why we can't have a fighting man's chance. We afterall did make the playoffs with damn near half the roster injured.

Everything will be clearer after the draft. Right now, who knows how things pan out. NO made the NFC championship game with good coaching, good FA moves, and a solid draft. So anything is possible.

I guess your right.

[49ersfan_87]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

To be honest with you, when BP retired I breathed a sigh of relief. Wade Phillips is not better than BP, even the old tired version that Dallas had. Everything said in the press conference sounds great. We went through the same thing with Coughlin. Wade is gonna say all the right things. But actions speak louder, and his actions up to this point in his career does not scare me that much.

It might sound weird, but I have a feeling Washington might be back in a big way next year. Thats who is really scaring me right now.

I think a rebuilding year is close for the redskins.

They keep putting off impending salary cap hell by releasing and restructuring players. Eventually they are going to be in full blown rebuilding mode. And they wont have a core of players to build around.

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

[amiyahomiojs]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

[49ersfan_87]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

How? The eagles won the division with a backup QB.

If reid actually runs the ball, and gets some help to stop the run, they are deadly IMO.

The giants were hit HARD by injuries. They lost a lot of players to injuries. Guys like

Luke Petigout
Justin Tuck
Osi Umeniyora
Carlos Emmons
Michael Strahan
Amani Toomer

But it all depends on how they rebound from tiki and eli stepping up.

[dickson1187]

Wade is going to do a great job. Thank god it is not Norv. :D

Our defense is going to get so much pressure, I can't wait. And you know what that means, more INT's for Newman, and finally a pro-bowl berth (knocks on wood).

Our DB's aren't that old, Henry is 29 as of right now, and 30 isn't even old anymore, plus DB's play for the longest in the NFL besides QB.

But signing Adalius Thomas is just stupid to me, I know that you can't enough linebackers in the 3-4, but that is for depth purposes, not for star players purposes. We will have too many players with starting potential, in fact we already do, so adding adalius would just be stupid. I think we should trade a LB IMO, and if we pick up any they better be for back up purposes only.

And BBD you make very good points, and don't take this the wrong way, but I think your scared. Wade is going to put our defense over the top and without Tiki you uguys are done, even with tiki you would be done actually. And and I both know it.

To be honest with you, when BP retired I breathed a sigh of relief. Wade Phillips is not better than BP, even the old tired version that Dallas had. Everything said in the press conference sounds great. We went through the same thing with Coughlin. Wade is gonna say all the right things. But actions speak louder, and his actions up to this point in his career does not scare me that much.

It might sound weird, but I have a feeling Washington might be back in a big way next year. Thats who is really scaring me right now.

The thing that worries me most about the Skins is that backfield if Portis comes back strong. Betts played extremely well down the stretch. Could be very potent. That's what you need with a young QB. The defense doesn't frighten me in the least.

Their defense will be back next year. They had a plethora of injuries this year. Add either Allan Branch or Jamal Anderson to that unit, and its gonna be pretty darned good. Im telling you, its way to early to say anything yet, but they could be back in a big way next year.

As for as the Giants, I can't honestly comment yet. FA and the draft haven't come by yet, who knows what happens. Right now, Im not as optimistic as I was last year, but at the same time, if we can stay healthy and improve our unit via FA and the draft, I don't see why we can't have a fighting man's chance. We afterall did make the playoffs with damn near half the roster injured.

Everything will be clearer after the draft. Right now, who knows how things pan out. NO made the NFC championship game with good coaching, good FA moves, and a solid draft. So anything is possible.

BBD, I have to say one thing -- without Tiki you guys are in deep trouble unless the D plays much better. You are telling me Eli is ready for this challenge? Not yet IMHO. I can see some serious problems next year in NYG land.

I think the Cowboys are going to struggle because too much new coaching. They are the most talented but you are correct that losing Parcells is huge. This team was one year of maturity away from doing a 13-3 but that is bye-bye now ..... TO will cost the team a game or two. Roy in coverage a game or two. Garrett being new a game or two.

I think next year is between Redskins and Eagles barring injuries. Both D's will play better and those two have among the best running attacks / OL in the NFL. So my "prediction" is .......

Eagles 11-5
Redskin 10-6
Dallas 9-7
Giants 6-10

[Damix]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

I kind of remember you saying that the cowboys were leagues above everyone in the east last year. That didn't work out so well for ya.

[Modano]

Their defense will be back next year. They had a plethora of injuries this year. Add either Allan Branch or Jamal Anderson to that unit, and its gonna be pretty darned good. Im telling you, its way to early to say anything yet, but they could be back in a big way next year.

.

bbd, Anderson or Branch would be the only player they will add. They had only their first round pick (the sweetest thing is that they traded their third for TJ "cheeseburger" Duckett"). And maybe Anderson or Branch would play for them only ST. Every year they seem afraid to let their rookies play.
Maybe they will spend a lot of money on a guy as they did every year, but I don't see a FA who can come in Washington and make a huge difference.

On defense, their line is mediocre. Carter looks like a FA bust, and they have a ridicolous amount of sacks this past season. They will still have Lemar Marshall in the middle. And their secondary are just so and so. Taylor got beat all season long and they have no one to play the other safety position. Shawn Springs performances are falling down year after year, and Carlos Rogers needs to step up if they won't to stop the NFC wrs.
So no, their defense doesn't scary me at all.

80% of their offense is their OL. Betts played so well because of his OL.
They will lose Dockery and they're starting to get old. Both Jansen and Thomas are 31, and Jansen seemed like he has lost a step last year. If their oline plays bad they are a real bad team on offense. Their WRs are way to inconsistant. Moss is the definitin of inconsistance, Randle El is a joke and so is Lloyd. Campbell played well, but he was well protected.
Look at the Eagles. Garcia played so well because he had all time to throw. Any QB in the league will kill you with five-six seconds to throw. Yes, even Drew Bledsoe.

And I know you have a man-crush on Parcells, but I simply don't see him as a great coach anymore. He's old, he made a great work for us putting in Big-D the right players. Right now the game isn't anymore "you have to run and stop the run to win". This is Parcells philosophy. We were able to stop the run, and we were able to run. But hey, if other teams tried to throw the ball, they were killing us. Even if we had arguable the best trio of CBs in the league. You can say that the problem was the safeties play, and I would agree with you, but the very problem was that we can't get pressure to the QB. Our playcalling WAS way to conservative. Anyone should kill you if you give him time.
I simply don't like very much Parcells philosphy of "stop the run on 1st and 2nd and then put your nickel defense on the field". This philosophy doesn't work so well anymore. You have to put other teams in 2nd and 3rd and long situation. And you can't do that if you rush only four guys and the d-line can't put pressure. Phillips is gonna use our d-line better, imo.
This is a quote from Luis Castillo

"Those guys are going to love his system," Chargers defensive end Luis Castillo said. "They've been in a straight-forward 3-4 defense where they were two-gapping. They're going to do a lot more moving, a lot more blitzing. They're going to have opportunities to make plays."

So, is Phillips a better coach than Parcells? Overall no, but right now I guess he should do a better job. I thank Parcells because he has given us a very talented team. But with all this talent he can't win. So or we are not so talented or Parcells wasn't so good as a coach.
Imo he was very good in picking player and growing them up, but on the field he seemed to have lost his passion.
And I really think that we have a very talented team. All we miss is a great guard to replace Rivera, but look at our roster, we have great players in all positions.

[amiyahomiojs]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

I kind of remember you saying that the cowboys were leagues above everyone in the east last year. That didn't work out so well for ya.

They were, and they still are. They had a couple of bad games at the end, oh well. The giants suck with Tiki, without him, OMG, have fun picking in the top 10 of the 2008 draft.

Wade Phillips is gonna make our defense so sick it isn't even funny.

And Jason Garret isn't going to hold our offense back, he will take it to the next level.

Parcells held everything back, so we are not gonna be held back, the cowboys are gonna dominate. If we aren't atleast in the NFC Title game it will be a huge letdown.

And the Eagles??? are you serious? thgey got on a little hot streak at the end with garcia, oh wow. They are a joke, please. They go 8-8 or worse next year.

The Cowboys have the most talent by far, now he have the coaches that won't hold them back.

OMG we are gonna DOMINATE!!!!

[Poet3334]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

I kind of remember you saying that the cowboys were leagues above everyone in the east last year. That didn't work out so well for ya.

They were, and they still are. They had a couple of bad games at the end, oh well. The giants suck with Tiki, without him, OMG, have fun picking in the top 10 of the 2008 draft.

Wade Phillips is gonna make our defense so sick it isn't even funny.

And Jason Garret isn't going to hold our offense back, he will take it to the next level.

Parcells held everything back, so we are not gonna be held back, the cowboys are gonna dominate. If we aren't atleast in the NFC Title game it will be a huge letdown.

And the Eagles??? are you serious? thgey got on a little hot streak at the end with garcia, oh wow. They are a joke, please. They go 8-8 or worse next year.

The Cowboys have the most talent by far, now he have the coaches that won't hold them back.

OMG we are gonna DOMINATE!!!!

It's nice to be a rabid fan, but I think you need to ground your enthusiasm in a little reality. One of the reasons the Eagles beat us twice last year is because they dominated us at the line of scrimmage. Don't be deluded into thinking that that won't happen again, unless we show more toughness and strength at the point of attack. Plus, they were missing Kearse. Now while I do believe that Dallas will win the division next year, don't get it twisted. The East will be a bloodbath like it always is.

[dickson1187]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

I kind of remember you saying that the cowboys were leagues above everyone in the east last year. That didn't work out so well for ya.

They were, and they still are. They had a couple of bad games at the end, oh well. The giants suck with Tiki, without him, OMG, have fun picking in the top 10 of the 2008 draft.

Wade Phillips is gonna make our defense so sick it isn't even funny.

And Jason Garret isn't going to hold our offense back, he will take it to the next level.

Parcells held everything back, so we are not gonna be held back, the cowboys are gonna dominate. If we aren't atleast in the NFC Title game it will be a huge letdown.

And the Eagles??? are you serious? thgey got on a little hot streak at the end with garcia, oh wow. They are a joke, please. They go 8-8 or worse next year.

The Cowboys have the most talent by far, now he have the coaches that won't hold them back.

OMG we are gonna DOMINATE!!!!

So let me get this ....

Garrett is going to take an Offense Scoring 26.5PPG "to the next level?" The same Garrett with no hands on experience actually coaching a decent QB or running an O.

Parcells held everything back but still scored 26 PPG and was a top 5 D until we forgot to cover in December.

The Cowboys are the most talented but the Eagles, New Orleans and Detroit wupped our buts.

This is exactly what is wrong with Cowboy fans. A view of worth inflated beyond reality or possible reason.

No wonder the town is in a collective blame Parcells mode. How else do explain such failure in 2006. Cowboys where entitled to march into Miami b/c they have talent. Forget the failures of the "talented" players in key situations.

They say Jerry is irrational but so are the fans it seems. No wonder we have been in a deep freeze for the last 12 years.

[Paul]

Id say giants and eagles duke it out for the NFC east title.

That's a joke right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Giants blow, eagles blow.

If the Cowboys don't take the East by atleast 3 games we will be a serious let down.

I kind of remember you saying that the cowboys were leagues above everyone in the east last year. That didn't work out so well for ya.

They were, and they still are. They had a couple of bad games at the end, oh well. The giants suck with Tiki, without him, OMG, have fun picking in the top 10 of the 2008 draft.

Wade Phillips is gonna make our defense so sick it isn't even funny.

And Jason Garret isn't going to hold our offense back, he will take it to the next level.

Parcells held everything back, so we are not gonna be held back, the cowboys are gonna dominate. If we aren't atleast in the NFC Title game it will be a huge letdown.

And the Eagles??? are you serious? thgey got on a little hot streak at the end with garcia, oh wow. They are a joke, please. They go 8-8 or worse next year.

The Cowboys have the most talent by far, now he have the coaches that won't hold them back.

OMG we are gonna DOMINATE!!!!

Calm down there buddy. There's a thin line between confident and delusional, and you pretty passed that line by a mile. It's not going to be a easy ride to a division title. We've yet to fill any holes on out team, and depending who is there, we can't say how much of an improvement we will make. And for f.u.c.ksake it is only Feburary!! Calm your ass down.

[dickson1187]

On a side note, Jerry giving Garrett the annointing oil as future HC and OC is exactly what is wrong with this organization.

Sparano was the OC this year. He was called creative, bright and hard working. He is wanted by several teams in the league. We scored 26.5PPG with a mediocre line. His Jerry reward -- a demotion.

Haley, the second best guy on the staff, was given a job as OC by an ex, successful OC. His Jerry reward -- having to kiss TO butt.

Garrett has two years experience as a QB coach to Gus and Joey. Was on an experienced top heavy Miami Staff where his direct contributions are questionable at best. Has no track record or success coach. His reward -- Jerry annointing oil.

So sad. Wish my team the best but gotta believe things are going the wrong way

[amiyahomiojs]

Ok, but I do believe our offense will get to the next level because we won't be so conservative.

Look at the Seattle game for instance, they had freakin pete hunter on the best reciever in the game, and we didn't throw over 30 yards once, are you serious? Bill Parcells f'in sucks.

And most talented doesn't mean you always win, but the Cowboys definitly have the most talent.

Who has more? I'll answer that for you, no one.

[bigbluedefense]

Ok, but I do believe our offense will get to the next level because we won't be so conservative.

Look at the Seattle game for instance, they had freakin pete hunter on the best reciever in the game, and we didn't throw over 30 yards once, are you serious? Bill Parcells f'in sucks.

And most talented doesn't mean you always win, but the Cowboys definitly have the most talent.

Who has more? I'll answer that for you, no one.

Tony Romo threw 29 times in that game. He hardly played conservative, it was very balanced. Romo just had a horrible game, thats all. He threw for less than 200 yards, and was throwing some in the dirt.

You are what you are. The Cowboys just weren't good enough. Thats it. How can they be the most talented when they went 9-7 while staying healthy? That doesn't make sense.

I think youre exaggerating the talent level on the team a bit. I'll say this much, I watched plenty of Cowboy games this past year. Blitzing wasn't the only issue. I saw numerous times where Dallas came in an all out blitz (particularly out of the nickel) and it still didn't get there. The players just weren't getting it done.

The players need to take their game to the next level to make this work. If Ware, Spears, Roy, Watkins, Carpenter, and Canty come back to TC with the same skillset as this past year, with no signs of improvement, it can get ugly. They should mature considering their youth, but thats what was a major issue. They just weren't as good as you'd hope them to be this year, they didn't develop quickly enough.

As far as the Giants go, yes, I am worried about Tiki. But FA didn't even start yet. What if we draft Lynch or nab Thomas Jones etc? Who knows what happens, its far too early to speculate how much Tiki's absence will hurt us when FA didn't even start yet. I do believe that we're in trouble if Jacobs is the lone starter with no plan B, I agree on that. But I doubt the Giants take that approach.

[amiyahomiojs]

OMG, talent does not mean winning, it is just talented players.The cowboys definitly have the most talent in the NFL.

And wow, Romo threw 29 times, but like I said BBD, they didn't throw to T.O. or terry glenn over 30 yards once, against pete hunter, kelly jennings, and kelly herndon, are you freakin serious?!?!?!?!

worst coaching I have ever seen.

Who has more talent than Newman, Williams, T.O., Glenn, Romo, Julius and Marion, Crayton, Witten, James, Ware, Carpenter, Ayodele, Ferg, Canty, and Spears?

No one, period. Ware is probably the most talented player in the NFL, he can be better than LT when he wants too.

The cowboys have the most talented team, now we just need to use it correctly.

BBD you know this team has elite talent, don't lie about that. Talent does always translate to winning, look at the patriots, talent wise they suck, but they just win. The Cowboys have the most talent. And everyone knows it.

[JJJ888]

OMG, talent does not mean winning, it is just talented players.The cowboys definitly have the most talent in the NFL.

And wow, Romo threw 29 times, but like I said BBD, they didn't throw to T.O. or terry glenn over 30 yards once, against pete hunter, kelly jennings, and kelly herndon, are you freakin serious?!?!?!?!

worst coaching I have ever seen.

Who has more talent than Newman, Williams, T.O., Glenn, Romo, Julius and Marion, Crayton, Witten, James, Ware, Carpenter, Ayodele, Ferg, Canty, and Spears?

No one, period. Ware is probably the most talented player in the NFL, he can be better than LT when he wants too.

The cowboys have the most talented team, now we just need to use it correctly.

BBD you know this team has elite talent, don't lie about that. Talent does always translate to winning, look at the patriots, talent wise they suck, but they just win. The Cowboys have the most talent. And everyone knows it.

Calm down buddy...yes the Cowboys have talent, but you're kind of going crazy here. Seriously I dare you to go post that assertion in the NFL forum. You will get ripped apart. No matter how big a homer you may be, the kind of statement you are making just makes Cowboys fans seem biased, tempermental, and even a little bit out of our minds.

[Paul]

Dude, hardcore homer. How old is this kid? I haven't seen one coherent or objective argument from you, throughout this homer tirade.

[amiyahomiojs]

I am 15. And I will stop with the talent thing, but the cowboys do have the most talent in the NFL, and I believe every fan knows that.

Anyway, after just looking up Derrick Dockey, Eric Stienbach, and Kris Dielman, 2 of them are 26, and 1 of them is 27 (I forgot which is which, lol), and they have a good amount of experience. I think that is perfect for our team, as thule said. If jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him.

They are young and have a good amount of starting experience. Rivera was a great player and a future HOFer IMO, but come on now, cut him and sign one of these guys, our offensive line is what is holding us back, and just one of them could make the difference.

And Jerry you better resign Columbo and Gurode or i'll kill you, again.

What do you guys think of Al Johnson? resign him or expendable?

[49ersfan_87]

[quote="TNewFan41"]I am 15. And I will stop with the talent thing, but the cowboys do have the most talent in the NFL, and I believe every fan knows that.

quote]

Colts

Peyton Manning. Marvin Harrison. Reggie Wayne. Jeff Saturday. Tarik Glenn. Dallas Clark. Dwight Freeney. Bob Sanders. Joseph Addai.

Ravens

Todd Heap. Ray Lewis. Bart Scott. Haloti Ngata. Terrell Suggs. Ed Reed. Dawan Landry. Chris Mccalister. Trevor Pryce.

Not to start a war, but i dont think the cowboys are the most talented. Thyere up there, but not the most.

[Poet3334]

I am 15. And I will stop with the talent thing, but the cowboys do have the most talent in the NFL, and I believe every fan knows that.

Anyway, after just looking up Derrick Dockey, Eric Stienbach, and Kris Dielman, 2 of them are 26, and 1 of them is 27 (I forgot which is which, lol), and they have a good amount of experience. I think that is perfect for our team, as thule said. If jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him.

They are young and have a good amount of starting experience. Rivera was a great player and a future HOFer IMO, but come on now, cut him and sign one of these guys, our offensive line is what is holding us back, and just one of them could make the difference.

And Jerry you better resign Columbo and Gurode or i'll kill you, again.

What do you guys think of Al Johnson? resign him or expendable?

I don't think he'll be resigned, at least not before Gurode.

[amiyahomiojs]

[quote=TNewFan41]I am 15. And I will stop with the talent thing, but the cowboys do have the most talent in the NFL, and I believe every fan knows that.

quote]

Colts

Peyton Manning. Marvin Harrison. Reggie Wayne. Jeff Saturday. Tarik Glenn. Dallas Clark. Dwight Freeney. Bob Sanders. Joseph Addai.

Ravens

Todd Heap. Ray Lewis. Bart Scott. Haloti Ngata. Terrell Suggs. Ed Reed. Dawan Landry. Chris Mccalister. Trevor Pryce.

Not to start a war, but i dont think the cowboys are the most talented. Thyere up there, but not the most.

Dawan Landy? lol ok. The cowboys have more talent than those teams by far. And i forgot to mention greg ellis, kevin burnett, and jason hatcher for the cowboys. OMG it is painfull to see how loaded we are.

But I am not talking about this anymore, so wjhat do you guys think about the 3 guards I mentioned.

[Poet3334]

On a side note, Jerry giving Garrett the annointing oil as future HC and OC is exactly what is wrong with this organization.

Sparano was the OC this year. He was called creative, bright and hard working. He is wanted by several teams in the league. We scored 26.5PPG with a mediocre line. His Jerry reward -- a demotion.

Haley, the second best guy on the staff, was given a job as OC by an ex, successful OC. His Jerry reward -- having to kiss TO butt.

Garrett has two years experience as a QB coach to Gus and Joey. Was on an experienced top heavy Miami Staff where his direct contributions are questionable at best. Has no track record or success coach. His reward -- Jerry annointing oil.

So sad. Wish my team the best but gotta believe things are going the wrong way

I think your letting your hatred of Jerry get the best of your argument. Garrett was an in demand coach not based upon his experience, but on his potential, his intellect, and his knowledge of the game. You would be hard pressed to find anyone that worked with him have nothing but glowing praise for his abilities. We weren't the only ones interested in him. I'll reserve my judgement until I see him in action.

[Go Cowboys]

Don't know if anyone saw or cares but we signed Akin Ayodele's Brother as a Defensive Tackle
http://www.dallascowboys.com/

Also just heard on NFL Network
Wade is expected to higher Todd Bowels as DC and his son Wes as QB coach

[Gribble]

OMG, talent does not mean winning, it is just talented players.The cowboys definitly have the most talent in the NFL.

And wow, Romo threw 29 times, but like I said BBD, they didn't throw to T.O. or terry glenn over 30 yards once, against pete hunter, kelly jennings, and kelly herndon, are you freakin serious?!?!?!?!

worst coaching I have ever seen.

Who has more talent than Newman, Williams, T.O., Glenn, Romo, Julius and Marion, Crayton, Witten, James, Ware, Carpenter, Ayodele, Ferg, Canty, and Spears?

No one, period. Ware is probably the most talented player in the NFL, he can be better than LT when he wants too.

The cowboys have the most talented team, now we just need to use it correctly.

BBD you know this team has elite talent, don't lie about that. Talent does always translate to winning, look at the patriots, talent wise they suck, but they just win. The Cowboys have the most talent. And everyone knows it.

Calm down buddy...yes the Cowboys have talent, but you're kind of going crazy here. Seriously I dare you to go post that assertion in the NFL forum. You will get ripped apart. No matter how big a homer you may be, the kind of statement you are making just makes Cowboys fans seem biased, tempermental, and even a little bit out of our minds.

It sucks that half of them are.

[Staubach12]

Don't know if anyone saw or cares but we signed Akin Ayodele's Brother as a Defensive Tackle
http://www.dallascowboys.com/

Also just heard on NFL Network
Wade is expected to higher Todd Bowels as DC and his son Wes as QB coach

I dunno about hiring Wes Phillips. He's only been the QB at a D1 team for two years! That's just dumb. The only reason he'll be on the staff is because he's the head coaches son. This isn't Pop Warner. You can't let someone have an important position just because he's your son. I don't think he's ready for the pros. I think we should go after someone more experienced, especially when we're focusing on developing Tony.

[fryman]

Don't know if anyone saw or cares but we signed Akin Ayodele's Brother as a Defensive Tackle
http://www.dallascowboys.com/

Also just heard on NFL Network
Wade is expected to higher Todd Bowels as DC and his son Wes as QB coach

I dunno about hiring Wes Phillips. He's only been the QB at a D1 team for two years! That's just dumb. The only reason he'll be on the staff is because he's the head coaches son. This isn't Pop Warner. You can't let someone have an important position just because he's your son. I don't think he's ready for the pros. I think we should go after someone more experienced, especially when we're focusing on developing Tony.

Wade said that other teams are looking at hiring his son, so it is reasonable for him to hire his son. Also I doubt it would be for QB, probably something like quality control, like dc.com suggested.

Garrett will hold most of the responsibility of working with Romo.

[D-Unit]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8391/dsc03352xl4.jpg

My helmet that Romo signed!!! :D

[D-Unit]

Here's my son showing the other side of the helmet...

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5286/dsc03365ci2.jpg

Troy Aikman baby! :D

[thule]

You lucky bastard :P

[Poet3334]

Here's my son showing the other side of the helmet...

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5286/dsc03365ci2.jpg

Troy Aikman baby! :D

Great pics!

[amiyahomiojs]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

[Poet3334]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

I'll take Dielman

[amiyahomiojs]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

I'll take Dielman

agreed.

[amiyahomiojs]

Dang! I just listened to Dallascowboys.com radio and Terence Newman said he ran a 10.20 100 meter. Holy sh**!!!!

[Poet3334]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

I'll take Dielman

agreed.

Are we cutting Rivera then?

[Staubach12]

I personally think Rivera could take a place as a mentor to some younger Offensive Linemen.

[Poet3334]

I personally think Rivera could take a place as a mentor to some younger Offensive Linemen.

Yeah, I'm not opposed to letting him go. In fact, I highly encourage it. I think he'd make a good mentor.

[thule]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

Dockery was born 20 miles from Dallas. He played high school football in Texas and played in college at UT. If we are gonna land on of those mentioned....Derrick is our best chance.

[D-Unit]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

Dockery was born 20 miles from Dallas. He played high school football in Texas and played in college at UT. If we are gonna land on of those mentioned....Derrick is our best chance.
We'll see what kind of affect Wade Phillips has on Deilman... I'd take anyone decent at this point. I don't want to invest a lot.

[amiyahomiojs]

Think about it though. If we resign Columbo and Gurode, and sign one of those 3 guards, and maybe draft another day 1 OT or OG, our o-line goes from below average right to good.

It would be like this:

Adams-Drafted Player-Gurode-Dielman-Columbo

(Kosier is optional)

With our weapons, and now our defense going to the next level with Wade, watch out super-bowl baby!

[Staubach12]

Kosier did fine this year, I see no reason to pull him. Especially if you plan to put a rookie there. I still think that if we resignn Gurode and Colombo, and sign a guard in FA, there's no need to go after an offensive lineman in the draft until day 2. As far as who I want the Guard we sign to be, I want Stienbach. Dockery didn't have a stellaryear this year, and Stienbach did. He's quite the mauler, and I think he'd be perfect. If we can't get Stienbach, then I'd be fine with Dockery.

[Gribble]

ok, now lets get back on topic.

After looking up Stienbach, Dockery, and Dielman, they are all 27 or under, and have atleast 4 years of experience, which is perfect. If Jerry doesn't sign one of them I will kill him. But he will.

What about Leonard Davis from ARZ?

[Paul]

The question for me is, who will not only be decent or serviceable, but possibility dominating in the near future. Will it be one of the FA like Dockery, Deilman, Steinbech, or one of the draftees like Grubbs, Blalock, Beekman or Rameriez? Maybe will pick one from each, I don't know. But I'm putting my money one of the rookies.

[thule]

The question for me is, who will not only be decent or serviceable, but possibility dominating in the near future. Will it be one of the FA like Dockery, Deilman, Steinbech, or one of the draftees like Grubbs, Blalock, Beekman or Rameriez? Maybe will pick one from each, I don't know. But I'm putting my money one of the rookies.

We need someone to be a leader of our offensive line. Rivera called all the blitzes at the line and called the line audibles. You really can't factor that in without knowing that. I mean maybe a guy like Koiser could handle the load..but i'm not buying it. Gurode has shown his mental capacity. So I think our OG addition has to be someone who has experience but is still hasn't peaked.

[amiyahomiojs]

The question for me is, who will not only be decent or serviceable, but possibility dominating in the near future. Will it be one of the FA like Dockery, Deilman, Steinbech, or one of the draftees like Grubbs, Blalock, Beekman or Rameriez? Maybe will pick one from each, I don't know. But I'm putting my money one of the rookies.

We need someone to be a leader of our offensive line. Rivera called all the blitzes at the line and called the line audibles. You really can't factor that in without knowing that. I mean maybe a guy like Koiser could handle the load..but i'm not buying it. Gurode has shown his mental capacity. So I think our OG addition has to be someone who has experience but is still hasn't peaked.

Dielman.

[thule]

The question for me is, who will not only be decent or serviceable, but possibility dominating in the near future. Will it be one of the FA like Dockery, Deilman, Steinbech, or one of the draftees like Grubbs, Blalock, Beekman or Rameriez? Maybe will pick one from each, I don't know. But I'm putting my money one of the rookies.

We need someone to be a leader of our offensive line. Rivera called all the blitzes at the line and called the line audibles. You really can't factor that in without knowing that. I mean maybe a guy like Koiser could handle the load..but i'm not buying it. Gurode has shown his mental capacity. So I think our OG addition has to be someone who has experience but is still hasn't peaked.

Dielman.

I have my money on Dielman going to Miami. Dockery is our best shot.

[M.O.T.H.]

As for Dielman, the Chargers GM, AJ Smith, said a while ago that re-signing him was priority #1 heading into the off-season. As of right now the two parties havent spoken in about two weeks... why you ask? Rumor has it Dielman is seeking Steve Hutchinson money :shock: ... Is that a price the boys are willing to pay? I'm not too sure but, with all this being said, I would be fairly shocked to see him let go by San Diego.

[LSUALUM99]

Listen, whomever Wade hires as DC, QB Coach or whatever you have to assume he's putting together the best staff he can in order to win. No coach is going to sacrifice his ability to be successfull in order to put coaches in place just to apease anyone.

Bowles has been mentioned as DC for some time now and has been impressing the coaching staff even before BP left.

As for Wade's son as the QB coach. Well let me ask you this. If your Grandfather was a HC in the NFL for years and your Father was a HC years do you think that you'd know a helluva lot about football?

Everyone on here thinks they know about football. Do you think you'd know more if your whole family tree consisted of 50+ years of actual Pro Coaching experience?

Yeah, I thought so too. I'll take the son of a coach with that pedigree anytime. Is he young? Sure, does that make him any less likely to know what he's doing? No.

As for FA signings. Don't be surprised if very few big name or even mediocre named players switch teams this year. Most teams have several million dollars in cap money available so if a player leaves their team it's for probably 1 of 2 reasons. Either he's a) going to be overpaid vastly or b) the team he's leaving doesn't really think he's as good as his backup....either of which is bad.

IF anyone spends Hutchinson money on any guard they are a fool. I don't care if it's Bruce Matthews, paying that much money for a player at G is a TERRIBLE investment. Guard is one of the positions in the NFL where the difference between a great player and a good player is very small as compared to other positions. Positions of reduced marginal effect like that are the ones you especially DO NOT pay big money for.

Rivera's contract bordered on too expensive for a G. If we pay that money again, we're down right silly.

Kosier played well for the Cowboys, came at a reasonable price, has the versatility to play other positions, and is young. That's exactly the type of FA at the G position we need to sign if we sign anyone.

[Number 10]

Clayton is saying Leonard Davis wil sign with the Cowboys.


Yessssss

[Paul]

Clayton is saying Leonard Davis wil sign with the Cowboys.


Yessssss

Is that a sarcastic yess?

I'm not going make judgement, seeing I have not watched many...or any cardinals games. But if it's true, how did he play this year? He seems to big for my taste.

[fryman]

Clayton is saying Leonard Davis wil sign with the Cowboys.


Yessssss

he also said he will sign with the 49ers

[49ersfan_87]

Clayton is saying Leonard Davis wil sign with the Cowboys.


Yessssss

He also said San Francisco would target him :shock:

[amiyahomiojs]

Were did you see this???

link????

[Number 10]

Were did you see this???

link????

KFFL

[amiyahomiojs]

it said cowboys are going to sign Leonard Davis?

your positive?

[Number 10]

it said cowboys are going to sign Leonard Davis?

your positive?


Cowboys | Team in the running for L. Davis?
Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:59:20 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Arizona Cardinals expect to lose OT Leonard Davis to the Dallas Cowboys. Davis is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason.

[fryman]

:roll:

49ers | Team in the running for L. Davis?
Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:02:00 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Arizona Cardinals expect to lose OT Leonard Davis to the San Francisco 49ers. Davis is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason.

[amiyahomiojs]

LOL.

[Poet3334]

:roll:

49ers | Team in the running for L. Davis?
Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:02:00 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Arizona Cardinals expect to lose OT Leonard Davis to the San Francisco 49ers. Davis is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason.

He really has inside knowledge :?

[JJJ888]

KFFL also reported that we were expected to go after Dielman...don't take anything too seriously yet guys. We've still got a month to go before the start of free agency.

[amiyahomiojs]

KFFL also reported that we were expected to go after Dielman...don't take anything too seriously yet guys. We've still got a month to go before the start of free agency.

Exactly, but I hope we get Dielman so bad.

Come on Jerry, dish out that cash.

We better resign Columbo and Gurode, too.

[nrcirc]

Were did you see this???

link????

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2758756

[Staubach12]

We better resign Columbo and Gurode, too.

OK, we get it. You've said this at least 5 times.

[BX]

Just a thought. I dunno if anyone has mentioned this.

But at certain points of the Pro Bowl, I'm sure the NFC had an offensive line with Gurode at Center, Larry A. at Left Guard, and Flozell at Left Tackle. Combine this with Witten at TE, and Romo behind Witten, and you've got pretty familiar, cohesive offense. And with Sean Payton coaching, it felt like a big reunion party.

Or something. I'm drunk, so excuse me if this sounds flippant.

[D-Unit]

Flozell played RG at the Pro Bowl.

[TheChampIsHere]

I dont think anyone knows for sure where Leonard Davis will go, but Im hearing SF and DAL are the two leading candidates and he would make a lot of sense for both teams and both teams have cap room. And its a foregone conclusion that ARI wont resign him.

[amiyahomiojs]

I know we are already discussing a new contract with Gurode, any news on Columbo?

[dickson1187]

Just a thought. I dunno if anyone has mentioned this.

But at certain points of the Pro Bowl, I'm sure the NFC had an offensive line with Gurode at Center, Larry A. at Left Guard, and Flozell at Left Tackle. Combine this with Witten at TE, and Romo behind Witten, and you've got pretty familiar, cohesive offense. And with Sean Payton coaching, it felt like a big reunion party.

Or something. I'm drunk, so excuse me if this sounds flippant.

Yeah, explains all those sacks and pressure the AFC got. Also see Romo playing clueless. The O was horrid for the NFC.

Did you also see Biscuit taking bad angles on cross routes and biting on the first stop-n-go pattern to Ocho Cinco's TD. Funny.

[bigbluedefense]

Listen, whomever Wade hires as DC, QB Coach or whatever you have to assume he's putting together the best staff he can in order to win. No coach is going to sacrifice his ability to be successfull in order to put coaches in place just to apease anyone.

Bowles has been mentioned as DC for some time now and has been impressing the coaching staff even before BP left.

As for Wade's son as the QB coach. Well let me ask you this. If your Grandfather was a HC in the NFL for years and your Father was a HC years do you think that you'd know a helluva lot about football?

Everyone on here thinks they know about football. Do you think you'd know more if your whole family tree consisted of 50+ years of actual Pro Coaching experience?

Yeah, I thought so too. I'll take the son of a coach with that pedigree anytime. Is he young? Sure, does that make him any less likely to know what he's doing? No.

As for FA signings. Don't be surprised if very few big name or even mediocre named players switch teams this year. Most teams have several million dollars in cap money available so if a player leaves their team it's for probably 1 of 2 reasons. Either he's a) going to be overpaid vastly or b) the team he's leaving doesn't really think he's as good as his backup....either of which is bad.

IF anyone spends Hutchinson money on any guard they are a fool. I don't care if it's Bruce Matthews, paying that much money for a player at G is a TERRIBLE investment. Guard is one of the positions in the NFL where the difference between a great player and a good player is very small as compared to other positions. Positions of reduced marginal effect like that are the ones you especially DO NOT pay big money for.

Rivera's contract bordered on too expensive for a G. If we pay that money again, we're down right silly.

Kosier played well for the Cowboys, came at a reasonable price, has the versatility to play other positions, and is young. That's exactly the type of FA at the G position we need to sign if we sign anyone.

I actually think that OG is an underrrated and underappreciated position on offense. They are vital to paving the way for the interior run game. They are also important in goalline situations. While Hutch was overpaid, he dramatically effected the run game for the Vikings, and his loss dramatically effected Seattle's run game in the opposite way, and it also effected Walter Jones as well.

FA is tough with OGs. You make a very valid argument that its not worth resigning OGs because of the cap casualty, but it is vital to an offense to have good OGs if they want to be dominant. I think the best way to approach this is to consistantly draft young dominant OG talent in the draft, and when the rookie contracts expire, let them go and sub in your replacement that you have in house from the draft.

But then again, you look at guys like Willie Shields, and how he has been vital to offenses for years, and you rethink that strategy. OGs can last a long time. You get a good one, and youre set for a long time at that position. They don't age as quickly as skill position players. So maybe they are worth the investment, who knows. And as always, I always think trench players are more valuable than skill position players. I think skill position players are overrated.

[bigmac076]

Does anyone here think Darren Woodson could make the HOF, or is it just me. Although his career was cut short by injury. What do y'all think?

[Poet3334]

Just a thought. I dunno if anyone has mentioned this.

But at certain points of the Pro Bowl, I'm sure the NFC had an offensive line with Gurode at Center, Larry A. at Left Guard, and Flozell at Left Tackle. Combine this with Witten at TE, and Romo behind Witten, and you've got pretty familiar, cohesive offense. And with Sean Payton coaching, it felt like a big reunion party.

Or something. I'm drunk, so excuse me if this sounds flippant.

Yeah, explains all those sacks and pressure the AFC got. Also see Romo playing clueless. The O was horrid for the NFC.
Did you also see Biscuit taking bad angles on cross routes and biting on the first stop-n-go pattern to Ocho Cinco's TD. Funny.

:lol:

[D-Unit]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

[bigmac076]

EDIT: different one lower down

[D-Unit]

FAs: Gurode, Coloumbo, Steinbach

Draft:
RD1: Aaron Ross
RD2: Josh Beekman
RD3: Mason Crosby
RD4: Craig Davis
RD5: Mario Henderson
ill put the rest later...
I meant to say 3 FAs other than our own.

[bigmac076]

FAs: Steinbach, Josh Brown, Damon Huard

Draft:
RD1: Aaron Ross, CB, Texas
RD2: Josh Beekman, OG, Boston College
RD3: Craig Davis, WR, LSU
RD4: Blair Phillips, ILB, Oregon
ill put the rest later...

[D-Unit]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?
FA 1: Adalius Thomas
FA 2: Cory Redding
FA 3: Josh Brown

Draft
1 - DeMarcus Tyler
2 - Josh Beekman
3 - Leonard Peters

[nrcirc]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?
FA 1: Adalius Thomas
FA 2: Cory Redding
FA 3: Josh Brown

Draft
1 - DeMarcus Tyler
2 - Josh Beekman
3 - Leonard Peters

Scott only finished 2 rd.

[Paul]

FA 1: Asante Samuel
FA 2: Josh Brown
FA 3: Damon Huard

Draft
R1. Demarcus Tyler
R2. Manual Rameriez
R3. Aundrae Allison
R4. Zak DeOssie
R5. Dallas Sartz
R6. Palauni Ma Sun
R7. Ken Shackleford

[dickson1187]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Resign: Colombo and Gurode. Trade A. Johnson who is a RFA (!?!?!)

FA: (1A) E Steinbach or (1B) Dielman
FA: (2A) L Davis or (2b) Locklear
FA: (3A) K Jenkins (Cap Cut) or (3B) T Sands

(1A) Tyler or (1B) Ross or (1C) Rice
(2A) Bush or (2B) Abiamiri or (2C) Beekman
(3A) Jacob Ford or (3B) S Piscitelli or (3C) M Ramirez
(4A) J Jones or (4B) B Myles or (4C) S Smith
(5A) Medlock or (5B) S. Breaston or (5C) S Sartz

Fantasy Football!

[D-Unit]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Resign: Colombo and Gurode. Trade A. Johnson who is a RFA (!?!?!)

FA: (1A) E Steinbach or (1B) Dielman
FA: (2A) L Davis or (2b) Locklear
FA: (3A) K Jenkins (Cap Cut) or (3B) T Sands

(1A) Tyler or (1B) Ross or (1C) Rice
(2A) Bush or (2B) Abiamiri or (2C) Beekman
(3A) Jacob Ford or (3B) S Piscitelli or (3C) M Ramirez
(4A) J Jones or (4B) B Myles or (4C) S Smith
(5A) Medlock or (5B) S. Breaston or (5C) S Sartz

Fantasy Football!
Do you see Jenkins as our NT or DE? If NT, then why Tyler in the first? If DE... whoa...@330+ pounds? :shock:

[dickson1187]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Resign: Colombo and Gurode. Trade A. Johnson who is a RFA (!?!?!)

FA: (1A) E Steinbach or (1B) Dielman
FA: (2A) L Davis or (2b) Locklear
FA: (3A) K Jenkins (Cap Cut) or (3B) T Sands

(1A) Tyler or (1B) Ross or (1C) Rice
(2A) Bush or (2B) Abiamiri or (2C) Beekman
(3A) Jacob Ford or (3B) S Piscitelli or (3C) M Ramirez
(4A) J Jones or (4B) B Myles or (4C) S Smith
(5A) Medlock or (5B) S. Breaston or (5C) S Sartz

Fantasy Football!
Do you see Jenkins as our NT or DE? If NT, then why Tyler in the first? If DE... whoa...@330+ pounds? :shock:

Fair Q, I can see Jenkins in a DE / NT rotation where he plays some DE in run and NT in pass. Tyler is pure development guy to replace J Fergie. Can't see any rookie NT doing anything of value beside special teams.

On the OL side, I just think given McQuistan and Proctor's "promise" OL is best addresssed via FA. Both Steinbach and Davis are late twenties and have at least 5 years in them bar injury. So other than Flo, we have a young line with the prime OL years in front of them (27-32).

So sucks or ok?

[Poet3334]

Free Agency
1) Dielman

2) Donnie Edwards

3) Roderick Hood

Draft

1) Demarcus Tyler
2) Manuel Ramirez
3) Lamarr Woodley
4) Jacoby Jones
5) Travarous Bain
6) Chase Johnson
7) Paul Soliai

[Poet3334]

Good article about Spears and Luis Castillo in Phillips' defense.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6467674

[Staubach12]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA: Ken Hamlin, Eric Steinbach, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
2. Jarvis Moss, OLB, Florida
3. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
4. John Beck, QB, BYU
5. Tala Esera, G, Hawaii
6. Stanley Doughty, NT, South Car
7. IDC
7. IDC

[leroyisgod]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.

[D-Unit]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.
Meh.

[D-Unit]

Good article about Spears and Luis Castillo in Phillips' defense.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6467674
Cool article! All of a sudden I have high hopes and high expectations of Mr. Marcus Spears. One thing about the San Diego DL compared to ours... their guys are much stronger. Spears, Canty and Hatcher are going to have to put on some muscle mass and lose some of that jelly.

[CTCowboysFan]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Re-sign Andre Gurode and Marc Colombo

FA Signings
1. Eric Steinbach
2. Asante Samuel
3. Donnie Edwards

NFL Draft
1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Ryan Harris

[bigbluedefense]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.
Meh.

Ive been a strong critic of Petitgout for years. However I will say this.

Petitgout>>>>Flozell Adams. Easily. If he's cheap, I see no reason not to make a short term commitment to Luke. This LT class isn't exactly gold anyway.

[Staubach12]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.

Oh wow. I don't want him, but that's shocking to me.

[Modano]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.
Meh.

Ive been a strong critic of Petitgout for years. However I will say this.

Petitgout>>>>Flozell Adams. Easily. If he's cheap, I see no reason not to make a short term commitment to Luke. This LT class isn't exactly gold anyway.

I don't know.. Flozell was still recovering from the torn ACL and his problem is that he's too inconsistent.. But when he's on the game he's for sure better than Petigout.. Adams is twice the run blocker that Petigout is.. He's vulnerable against speedy rusher but he had some very good games protecting Romo.. Against Dwight Freeney he surrended a sack in the first minutes of the game and than he shut him down all game long..

[dickson1187]

Good article about Spears and Luis Castillo in Phillips' defense.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6467674

While I agree that players like the more "wide open" defense and I also agree that they will produce more sacks and more excitement -- one thing really bothers me ....

The fact that in none of these words by the D players do I hear one bit of contrition or remorse over the fact they failed in a D scheme that produced 5 SB championships in 20 years. It is not like Parcells is some D idiot.

To me what Spears, et al are doing is like Roy Williams coming out praising Phillips "New New Thing" and burying Parcells because "Roye was not used right" without mentioning "Roy's coverage failures, his weight issue and the poor angles he takes on routes."

Self serving it seems for these D players to come at it from this angle. The D fell apart because the players did not perform. It would be nice if some of the young guys on this team would take accountability and say so.

The only guys who said something on the Defense were Greg Ellis and T New. T New's outburst we heard. After BP quit, Greg came out and said there where players on the team who did not measure up to what the coaching staff wanted, they lost games and those losses bothered Parcells.

Maybe I am reading to much into this but guys like Spears, Canty, James and R Williams need to step up, be accountable and take ownership. I just don't see these guys doing it. Williams runs away from the media when they bring up coverage failures. James talks alot but was abused by the likes of Detroit. Canty is doing pranks on T New and fighting. Spears is lamenting his being called out for poor play and excited over the change of scenery.....

Put TO on one side of the ball, these young guys on the other side, the likes of Irvin and Sanders talking down their failures (enablers) while bad mouthing Parcells and it really strikes me an immature team at times. The classic "I confess, he did it" type of personalities.

Maybe I am crazy or too sensitive but I am sick of these guys blaming anyone but themselves for poor performance.

[dickson1187]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.
Meh.

Ive been a strong critic of Petitgout for years. However I will say this.

Petitgout>>>>Flozell Adams. Easily. If he's cheap, I see no reason not to make a short term commitment to Luke. This LT class isn't exactly gold anyway.

BBD, nooooo way Pettigout is better than Flo. Even if we disagree, let us see how much better LP is AFTER REHABBING an injury.

Flo is inconsistent but plays excellent at times. LP is just average. TO each his own though....

[bigbluedefense]

Petigout was just cut by the Giants today. He might be worth a look see.
Meh.

Ive been a strong critic of Petitgout for years. However I will say this.

Petitgout>>>>Flozell Adams. Easily. If he's cheap, I see no reason not to make a short term commitment to Luke. This LT class isn't exactly gold anyway.

BBD, nooooo way Pettigout is better than Flo. Even if we disagree, let us see how much better LP is AFTER REHABBING an injury.

Flo is inconsistent but plays excellent at times. LP is just average. TO each his own though....

In defense of Petitgout, he was having a PB caliber year this year before injury. He was definately outperforming Flozell this year. I will cede the point however, because Ive been a harsh critic of Petitgout, and I question whether he can put up a similar performance next year. He would be a nice FA solution though for a team that needs a quick fix.

In regards to your rant on defense, I agree, but I'll hold off judgement until I see the team in action. Im personally a big believer in the 2 gap system. Its produced alot of success throughout the years, as is apparant in BP's years, as well as Bellichick's tenior, and Saban's use of it as well. The 3-4 is at its best when the dline 2 gaps, it allows the LBs (the playmakers of the defense) to do what they do. But again, I'll wait and see, maybe this defense is better at being a more attacking unit.

One thing from that article, if you notice, Phillips scheme is exactly what I said it was. Its a fireman blitz scheme masked as a 3-4. Its basically a 4-3 blitz heavy defense, he just uses the 3-4 shell to disguise his blitzes better.

[amiyahomiojs]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

[M.O.T.H.]

I wouldnt mind signing Davis to play some RG. He's massive though but, he has proven that he can play some Guard so, i'm up for it.

[M.O.T.H.]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

I dont see us paying that much for dielman and I dont see him being let go anyway. As for Merriwearther, I'm starting to believe he is going to jump into the first, quite possibly the best S in this draft. I could see him taken 2nd off of the Safety board, wouldnt shock me one bit. As for Henry... he said he wouldnt object to the move as long as he gets to remain in Dallas and still start.

“We do believe Anthony has several years left as one of the league’s best cornerbacks,” said Henry’s agent, Jerrold Colton. “But if the Cowboys feel it would be best to move Anthony to safety, he would do it.”

[fryman]

I don't think the Chargers are going to let Phillips take anybody else away. :lol:

Cowboys | Team denied permission to interview B. Stewart
Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:43:39 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Dallas Cowboys were denied permission from the San Diego Chargers to interview defensive backs coach Brian Stewart.


Cowboys | Team denied permission to interview Pagano
Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:41:00 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Dallas Cowboys were denied permission from the San Diego Chargers to interview assistant linebackers coach John Pagano.

[Go Cowboys]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA: Josh Brown, Derrick Dockery, Ken Dorsey

Draft
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami(FL)
3. Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
4. Zak DeOssie, MLB, Brown
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Quinton Echols, NT, Kansas State
7A. Ramonce Taylor, ATH, Texas
7B. Syvelle Newton, ATH, South Carolina
7C(We have 3 I belive if you check gbn's trades I think it says we have 2 7ths via trades plus our own.) James Pickney, QB, East Carolina

[Staubach12]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA: Josh Brown, Derrick Dockery, Ken Dorsey

Draft
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami(FL)
3. Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
4. Zak DeOssie, MLB, Brown
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Quinton Echols, NT, Kansas State
7A. Ramonce Taylor, ATH, Texas
7B. Syvelle Newton, ATH, South Carolina
7C(We have 3 I belive if you check gbn's trades I think it says we have 2 7ths via trades plus our own.) James Pickney, QB, East Carolina

Why would we draft Levi Brown? Colombo was our best offensive lineman this year, and we have a project LT in McQuistan. I just don't see that as a round 1 need right now. Maybe if McQuistan doesn't pan out, but other than that, I just don't see it.

[M.O.T.H.]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA: Josh Brown, Derrick Dockery, Ken Dorsey

Draft
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami(FL)
3. Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
4. Zak DeOssie, MLB, Brown
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Quinton Echols, NT, Kansas State
7A. Ramonce Taylor, ATH, Texas
7B. Syvelle Newton, ATH, South Carolina
7C(We have 3 I belive if you check gbn's trades I think it says we have 2 7ths via trades plus our own.) James Pickney, QB, East Carolina

Why would we draft Levi Brown? Colombo was our best offensive lineman this year, and we have a project LT in McQuistan. I just don't see that as a round 1 need right now. Maybe if McQuistan doesn't pan out, but other than that, I just don't see it.

What is that thing in you avatar and what is it doing?

[Poet3334]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

I don't think it's stupid, that's a little harsh. I wouldn't be opposed to it. We just have to make sure that corner is a priority this off-season. That's one of the reasons I have Rod Hood on my radar.

[nrcirc]

Free Agency
1) Kris Dielman

2) Donnie Edwards

3) Terdell Sands

Draft

1) Daymeion Hughes
2) Victor Abiamiri
3) Manuel Ramirez

[Staubach12]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA: Josh Brown, Derrick Dockery, Ken Dorsey

Draft
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami(FL)
3. Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
4. Zak DeOssie, MLB, Brown
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Quinton Echols, NT, Kansas State
7A. Ramonce Taylor, ATH, Texas
7B. Syvelle Newton, ATH, South Carolina
7C(We have 3 I belive if you check gbn's trades I think it says we have 2 7ths via trades plus our own.) James Pickney, QB, East Carolina

Why would we draft Levi Brown? Colombo was our best offensive lineman this year, and we have a project LT in McQuistan. I just don't see that as a round 1 need right now. Maybe if McQuistan doesn't pan out, but other than that, I just don't see it.

What is that thing in you avatar and what is it doing?

It's an excited dancing fat kid.

[JJJ888]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

[etk]

Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA: Josh Brown, Derrick Dockery, Ken Dorsey

Draft
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami(FL)
3. Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
4. Zak DeOssie, MLB, Brown
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Quinton Echols, NT, Kansas State
7A. Ramonce Taylor, ATH, Texas
7B. Syvelle Newton, ATH, South Carolina
7C(We have 3 I belive if you check gbn's trades I think it says we have 2 7ths via trades plus our own.) James Pickney, QB, East Carolina

Why would we draft Levi Brown? Colombo was our best offensive lineman this year, and we have a project LT in McQuistan. I just don't see that as a round 1 need right now. Maybe if McQuistan doesn't pan out, but other than that, I just don't see it.

What is that thing in you avatar and what is it doing?

It's an excited dancing fat kid.

I have that one too.

[M.O.T.H.]

I still dont think Merriweather will be available in rd. 2, he's going to test out exceptionally well IMO. Should make the leap (not really a leap more of a hop) into the first.

Side note....

Now that Marty has been fired (AJ Smyth is an idiot), perhaps we will attempt to talk to Brian Stewart again. I'm pretty sure the report was Marty had rejected the cowboys wishes to meet with him and well Marty is gone, maybe we can get with the man now. As for Stewart, he's a smart guy that knows Phillips D well, he's not Manusky but, he's the next best thing.

[Staubach12]

I still dont think Merriweather will be available in rd. 2, he's going to test out exceptionally well IMO. Should make the leap (not really a leap more of a hop) into the first.

Side note....

Now that Marty has been fired (AJ Smyth is an idiot), perhaps we will attempt to talk to Brian Stewart again. I'm pretty sure the report was Marty had rejected the cowboys wishes to meet with him and well Marty is gone, maybe we can get with the man now. As for Stewart, he's a smart guy that knows Phillips D well, he's not Manusky but, he's the next best thing.

I thought it was the GM who accepted and rejected those requests. If not, we should try again.

[M.O.T.H.]

I still dont think Merriweather will be available in rd. 2, he's going to test out exceptionally well IMO. Should make the leap (not really a leap more of a hop) into the first.

Side note....

Now that Marty has been fired (AJ Smyth is an idiot), perhaps we will attempt to talk to Brian Stewart again. I'm pretty sure the report was Marty had rejected the cowboys wishes to meet with him and well Marty is gone, maybe we can get with the man now. As for Stewart, he's a smart guy that knows Phillips D well, he's not Manusky but, he's the next best thing.

I thought it was the GM who accepted and rejected those requests. If not, we should try again.

I'm not 100% but, I'm almost certain it was Marty's call and Marty said no. We shouldnt have much of a problem now.

[M.O.T.H.]

With the firing of San Diego coach Marty Schottenheimer on Monday, the Cowboys might now receive permission to talk to Chargers secondary coach Brian Stewart. Schottenheimer had denied the Cowboys permission to talk to Stewart, a source said.

Here's hoping.

[Modano]

From The Boys Blog

He’s precisely the type of reclamation project Phillips has made his specialty. In his first season with the Chargers, Phillips turned Steve Foley into a Pro Bowler. Foley had sacked quarterbacks 10.5 times in his first six seasons with the Bengals and Texans. He grabbed 10 in 2004. The next year, Phillips rotated Foley with a second year tweener from Purdue named Shaun Phillips. They combined for 11.5 sacks. When Foley missed the ‘06 season recovering from gunshot wounds to his legs, Phillips grabbed 11.5 sacks all by himself.

Parcells drafted defenders with size and speed two seasons ago. Three of them have looked miscast in his power-intensive scheme. Phillips appears ready to tilt the equation more towards quickness and aggression. If he can get Spears, Canty and Burnett to catch up to Ware, he’ll have earned his money, by saving Jerry Jones plenty in the free agent market.

This is the reason why I don't think we need Adalius Thomas or a rushbacker in the first rounds of the draft.
Under Wade Phillips both Foley and Phillips have posted great numbers. This is the reason why I think the problem with the pass rush was with the scheme (and the d-line).
We have both Carpenter and Burnett ready to tear it up. If Wade has made it with Phillips and Foley, why he can't with Carpenter or Burnett?

[M.O.T.H.]

From The Boys Blog

He’s precisely the type of reclamation project Phillips has made his specialty. In his first season with the Chargers, Phillips turned Steve Foley into a Pro Bowler. Foley had sacked quarterbacks 10.5 times in his first six seasons with the Bengals and Texans. He grabbed 10 in 2004. The next year, Phillips rotated Foley with a second year tweener from Purdue named Shaun Phillips. They combined for 11.5 sacks. When Foley missed the ‘06 season recovering from gunshot wounds to his legs, Phillips grabbed 11.5 sacks all by himself.

Parcells drafted defenders with size and speed two seasons ago. Three of them have looked miscast in his power-intensive scheme. Phillips appears ready to tilt the equation more towards quickness and aggression. If he can get Spears, Canty and Burnett to catch up to Ware, he’ll have earned his money, by saving Jerry Jones plenty in the free agent market.

This is the reason why I don't think we need Adalius Thomas or a rushbacker in the first rounds of the draft.
Under Wade Phillips both Foley and Phillips have posted great numbers. This is the reason why I think the problem with the pass rush was with the scheme (and the d-line).
We have both Carpenter and Burnett ready to tear it up. If Wade has made it with Phillips and Foley, why he can't with Carpenter or Burnett?

I think Burnett has the best chance to be our Phillips, he's lacking Phillips size but, has the speed. I'm really pulling for Carp to be that guy opposite of Ware though, Carps got the size but, does he or will he ever have the game speed? He was rather impressive in our final game. It will be interesting to say the least to see how this unfolds.

I'm hoping he keeps our boys intact... I dont want another LB or DE added to the mix, i think our boys can do it.

[JJJ888]

From The Boys Blog

He’s precisely the type of reclamation project Phillips has made his specialty. In his first season with the Chargers, Phillips turned Steve Foley into a Pro Bowler. Foley had sacked quarterbacks 10.5 times in his first six seasons with the Bengals and Texans. He grabbed 10 in 2004. The next year, Phillips rotated Foley with a second year tweener from Purdue named Shaun Phillips. They combined for 11.5 sacks. When Foley missed the ‘06 season recovering from gunshot wounds to his legs, Phillips grabbed 11.5 sacks all by himself.

Parcells drafted defenders with size and speed two seasons ago. Three of them have looked miscast in his power-intensive scheme. Phillips appears ready to tilt the equation more towards quickness and aggression. If he can get Spears, Canty and Burnett to catch up to Ware, he’ll have earned his money, by saving Jerry Jones plenty in the free agent market.

This is the reason why I don't think we need Adalius Thomas or a rushbacker in the first rounds of the draft.
Under Wade Phillips both Foley and Phillips have posted great numbers. This is the reason why I think the problem with the pass rush was with the scheme (and the d-line).
We have both Carpenter and Burnett ready to tear it up. If Wade has made it with Phillips and Foley, why he can't with Carpenter or Burnett?

I think Burnett has the best chance to be our Phillips, he's lacking Phillips size but, has the speed. I'm really pulling for Carp to be that guy opposite of Ware though, Carps got the size but, does he or will he ever have the game speed? He was rather impressive in our final game. It will be interesting to say the least to see how this unfolds.

I'm hoping he keeps our boys intact... I dont want another LB or DE added to the mix, i think our boys can do it.

The need for another backer all depends on Ellis' return. If he does return healthy, then we should be all set for next season. Otherwise, we may need another pass rush guy (not a 1st round pick though).

[Staubach12]

With the firing of San Diego coach Marty Schottenheimer on Monday, the Cowboys might now receive permission to talk to Chargers secondary coach Brian Stewart. Schottenheimer had denied the Cowboys permission to talk to Stewart, a source said.

Here's hoping.

OK, cool. Thanks for clearing that up. That's good news for us, then.

[fryman]

I think Carpenter is more than capable of playing opposite Ware. Ellis should get the spot if he can come back 100% though. In Phillips press conference he even mentioned Ellis opposite Ware.

As far as Burnett I think his best spot would be MLB, in a Donnie Edwards type role.

I don't think we should bring in any top pick or top FA LB. We have a stockpile of LBs.

[Staubach12]

From The Boys Blog

He’s precisely the type of reclamation project Phillips has made his specialty. In his first season with the Chargers, Phillips turned Steve Foley into a Pro Bowler. Foley had sacked quarterbacks 10.5 times in his first six seasons with the Bengals and Texans. He grabbed 10 in 2004. The next year, Phillips rotated Foley with a second year tweener from Purdue named Shaun Phillips. They combined for 11.5 sacks. When Foley missed the ‘06 season recovering from gunshot wounds to his legs, Phillips grabbed 11.5 sacks all by himself.

Parcells drafted defenders with size and speed two seasons ago. Three of them have looked miscast in his power-intensive scheme. Phillips appears ready to tilt the equation more towards quickness and aggression. If he can get Spears, Canty and Burnett to catch up to Ware, he’ll have earned his money, by saving Jerry Jones plenty in the free agent market.

This is the reason why I don't think we need Adalius Thomas or a rushbacker in the first rounds of the draft.
Under Wade Phillips both Foley and Phillips have posted great numbers. This is the reason why I think the problem with the pass rush was with the scheme (and the d-line).
We have both Carpenter and Burnett ready to tear it up. If Wade has made it with Phillips and Foley, why he can't with Carpenter or Burnett?

I think Burnett has the best chance to be our Phillips, he's lacking Phillips size but, has the speed. I'm really pulling for Carp to be that guy opposite of Ware though, Carps got the size but, does he or will he ever have the game speed? He was rather impressive in our final game. It will be interesting to say the least to see how this unfolds.

I'm hoping he keeps our boys intact... I dont want another LB or DE added to the mix, i think our boys can do it.

I'd like Carp to be the guy opposite Ware, but I think Burnett could definately do that job, though. I'd be happy whith either of them, but I really think Carp could turn into one heck of a player. As far as Ellis goes, I'm just not sure where he really fits, I think Phillips will be very interested in putting in either Carp or Burnett. Just a feeling. Maybe we will trade Ellis afterall...

[M.O.T.H.]

I've grown too damn close to the players on this team. Defense imparticular, i dont really want to see any of them replaced, I'm even a big fan of Watkins (he needs to improve obviously but, you gotta love that size and speed). This happens every year though, i was a huge Antonio Bryant fan as well (Man, what a crappy trade). ha. I honestly do believe that the pieces are already here, we just needed the right guy to put them together. I think we found that guy in Mr. Phillips.

Staubach... I'm mesmorized by your jiggling avy. It's hard to look away. :D

[Staubach12]

Staubach... I'm mesmorized by your jiggling avy. It's hard to look away. :D

I know, I'm the same way. I stare at it all the time.

[D-Unit]

Staubach... I'm mesmorized by your jiggling avy. It's hard to look away. :D

I know, I'm the same way. I stare at it all the time.
I find it offensive. ...it's making fun of a handicapped person.

[thule]

Staubach... I'm mesmorized by your jiggling avy. It's hard to look away. :D

I know, I'm the same way. I stare at it all the time.
I find it offensive. ...it's making fun of a handicapped person.

Geez...your digging deep

[M.O.T.H.]

Happy Birthday Drew Henson!!!

[amiyahomiojs]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

[thule]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

You really need to learn to read. Tank is gone at 26 in scotts mock. He won't be available at our second round pick in real life either.

[amiyahomiojs]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

You really need to learn to read. Tank is gone at 26 in scotts mock. He won't be available at our second round pick in real life either.

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. I don't give a crap what Scott says. Is Scotts mock the bible? No offense but Scott is no expert. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Coming into this season Scott didn't even have Newman in his top 15 CB's after giving up no TD's in a whole season, 1st time in NFL History, and will be the only time in a long time. Now if you call that an expert, good luck with that.

:roll:

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.

[M.O.T.H.]

Never gonna happen but, can you imagine if Marty signed on to be our D. Coord. That would be crazy but, it would never ever happen. I really want us to get Stewart in a more serious sense.

[Damix]

Dat Nguyen named linebackers coach for you guys. That seems fitting, a guy I always rooted for.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

You really need to learn to read. Tank is gone at 26 in scotts mock. He won't be available at our second round pick in real life either.

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. I don't give a crap what Scott says. Is Scotts mock the bible? No offense but Scott is no expert. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Coming into this season Scott didn't even have Newman in his top 15 CB's after giving up no TD's in a whole season, 1st time in NFL History, and will be the only time in a long time. Now if you call that an expert, good luck with that.

:roll:

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.

no offense but neither are you

[M.O.T.H.]

Dat Nguyen named linebackers coach for you guys. That seems fitting, a guy I always rooted for.

One of my all-time fav players no one worked harder than the man. He'll make a hell of a head coach one day, IMO.

[Staubach12]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

You really need to learn to read. Tank is gone at 26 in scotts mock. He won't be available at our second round pick in real life either.

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. I don't give a crap what Scott says. Is Scotts mock the bible? No offense but Scott is no expert. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Coming into this season Scott didn't even have Newman in his top 15 CB's after giving up no TD's in a whole season, 1st time in NFL History, and will be the only time in a long time. Now if you call that an expert, good luck with that.

:roll:

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.

Um... Listen, you haven't been around very long, so let me fill you in. Scott is an expert. He really knows 1000 times more than you will ever, so I'd respect his opinion. BTW, this is pretty funny. I considered putting it in my sig, but I decided not too. Now, please. PLEASE don't try to act like the expert that you think Scott isn't.

[Staubach12]

Dat Nguyen named linebackers coach for you guys. That seems fitting, a guy I always rooted for.

One of my all-time fav players no one worked harder than the man. He'll make a hell of a head coach one day, IMO.

I really like this move, too. I think he can be a heck of a coach.

[thule]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

You really need to learn to read. Tank is gone at 26 in scotts mock. He won't be available at our second round pick in real life either.

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. I don't give a crap what Scott says. Is Scotts mock the bible? No offense but Scott is no expert. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Coming into this season Scott didn't even have Newman in his top 15 CB's after giving up no TD's in a whole season, 1st time in NFL History, and will be the only time in a long time. Now if you call that an expert, good luck with that.

:roll:

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.

The point for me saying you needed to read was D-Unit's statement that started this whole thing.
Ok... Let's play a game...

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

But if you want to continue making ignorant statements thats your doing. Tank Tyler might not have the talent level of a first round pick...however NT value in this draft is nowhere to be seen on the first day...so someone will reach for him due to his size alone. He will be a top 40 pick.

[Go Cowboys]

Dat Nguyen named linebackers coach for you guys. That seems fitting, a guy I always rooted for.

One of my all-time fav players no one worked harder than the man. He'll make a hell of a head coach one day, IMO.

I really like this move, too. I think he can be a heck of a coach.

Yipee I can't wait to seeing him in Texas Stadium again.

[thule]

Bring in some coaching positions.

The Cowboys will also interview Oakland Raiders running backs coach Skip Peete, Wisconsin offensive coordinator Paul Chryst and University of Virginia assistant head coach for offense/wide receivers coach John Garrett.

Peete joined the Raiders in 1998 as running backs coach. He is the brother of former NFL quarterback Rodney Peete.

Garrett is the brother of Cowboys assistant Jason Garrett.

Inside linebackers coach Vincent Brown will not return to the Cowboys staff.

I had a feeling Brown was out. Parcells pulled him out of the high school ranks last year if my memory serves me right.

Phillips wasn't lying when he said he wanted the organization to be like family.

We also signed a couple people.

The Cowboys hired two assistant coaches Tuesday and are expected to add a third soon.

The Cowboys hired former linebacker Dat Nguyen as defensive quality control/linebackers coach and Wesley Phillips as offensive assistant coach/quality control. Wesley Phillips is the son of head coach Wade Phillips.

Tennessee wide receivers coach Ray Sherman, who interviewed with the Cowboys Tuesday, is also expected to join the Cowboys staff as receivers coach.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/16691545.htm

[Staubach12]

Bring in some coaching positions.

The Cowboys will also interview Oakland Raiders running backs coach Skip Peete, Wisconsin offensive coordinator Paul Chryst and University of Virginia assistant head coach for offense/wide receivers coach John Garrett.

Peete joined the Raiders in 1998 as running backs coach. He is the brother of former NFL quarterback Rodney Peete.

Garrett is the brother of Cowboys assistant Jason Garrett.

Inside linebackers coach Vincent Brown will not return to the Cowboys staff.

I had a feeling Brown was out. Parcells pulled him out of the high school ranks last year if my memory serves me right.

Phillips wasn't lying when he said he wanted the organization to be like family.

We also signed a couple people.

The Cowboys hired two assistant coaches Tuesday and are expected to add a third soon.

The Cowboys hired former linebacker Dat Nguyen as defensive quality control/linebackers coach and Wesley Phillips as offensive assistant coach/quality control. Wesley Phillips is the son of head coach Wade Phillips.

Tennessee wide receivers coach Ray Sherman, who interviewed with the Cowboys Tuesday, is also expected to join the Cowboys staff as receivers coach.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/16691545.htm

That one gave me a good laugh. About Sherman, I have mixed feelings about him. He's alright, but I'm not really pumped. If I could have one coach from up here, I'd have Craig Johnson, the QB coach. Now he's a good one. He helped develop Steve McNair into a great QB, he made Billy Volek into a good QB, and now he's really done wonders for Vince. I'd love to see him in Dallas to tutor Romo. But as far as Sherman goes... ho-hum.

[Paul]

Dat Nguyen named linebackers coach for you guys. That seems fitting, a guy I always rooted for.

One of my all-time fav players no one worked harder than the man. He'll make a hell of a head coach one day, IMO.

I really like this move, too. I think he can be a heck of a coach.

Yipee I can't wait to seeing him in Texas Stadium again.

Hell yes, he was always one of most underrated MLB when he played. I was real upset when he had that injury last year, I knew we lost a great leader. I still remember the days Dat and Dexter Coakly used fly around all over place making plays with there speed, which was only a few years ago, but still. They were both undersized, but still they were big part of those Dave Campo defenses. Not to mention he was hero and role model to the large Asian community here in the Metroplex area.

[Modano]

Who do you think will be the DC?
I hope Dat will be our DC in the future.. I've red his book last year and I think he will be an hell of a coach. He got heart and passion and he works so hard.. He was a leader in HS, college and NFL. Even if everytime there was someone saying he was too small to play.

[D-Unit]

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.
Are you serious? I mean really... R U SERIOUS???

Tyler won't be there for us in Round 2. I just can't fatthom it... and I'm willing to put up any bet.

Secondly, we don't need to focus our entire draft on our OL. We need to address our defense. Our defense let us down in the end. Our offense was 5th in the league in putting up points.... alls we need is a Guard in FA.

[amiyahomiojs]

FA: Ken Hamlin, Kris Dielman, Josh Brown

Draft:
1. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
3. Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
4. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
5. Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
6. Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
7. BPA
7. BPA

Oh and 2 things: 1: Eric Stienbach is 6-6 290, which is pretty light, we need a mauler, so I don't like the idea, I would much prefer Dielman or Dockery. 2: Stop with this CB crap, Henry with stay were he is, Wade will m,ake sure of that. The move of Henry to FS is just stupid.

This is actually my favorite scenario...except for the fact that Levi Brown isn't available where we pick according to Scott, and I don't like taking Meriweather in the 2nd. Especially since you've already signed a FS and you have Watkins. I'd rather that pick be a corner or NT.

Oh yea sorry I forgot I put the signing of Hamlin, in that case I would take Tank Tyler in the 2nd.

You really need to learn to read. Tank is gone at 26 in scotts mock. He won't be available at our second round pick in real life either.

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. I don't give a crap what Scott says. Is Scotts mock the bible? No offense but Scott is no expert. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Coming into this season Scott didn't even have Newman in his top 15 CB's after giving up no TD's in a whole season, 1st time in NFL History, and will be the only time in a long time. Now if you call that an expert, good luck with that.

:roll:

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.

no offense but neither are you

I know I am not, but I don't think Scott is anything special. Tank Tyler as been falling, I'm pretty sure he will go in round 2.

[amiyahomiojs]

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Oh I didn't see those rules, sorry. In that case, this is how my off-season would go:

FA: Kris Dielman, Ken Hamlin, and John Brown

Draft:
Round 1: DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, NT, NC State
Round 2: Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
Round 3: Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennesee
Round 4: Andre Allison, WR, East Carolina
Round 5: Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
Round 6: A Center
Round 7: More O-line Depth
Round 7: A linebacker
Round 7: BPA

Hows That?

[nrcirc]

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.
Are you serious? I mean really... R U SERIOUS???

Tyler won't be there for us in Round 2. I just can't fatthom it... and I'm willing to put up any bet.

Secondly, we don't need to focus our entire draft on our OL. We need to address our defense. Our defense let us down in the end. Our offense was 5th in the league in putting up points.... alls we need is a Guard in FA.

The way Tank Tyler preformed in senior bowl, I don't believe Cowboys will spend any first day picks to draft him, he can't push any OGs in one on one during the practice as well as in the game. Who's the coach in senior bowl? Wade Phillips.

[amiyahomiojs]

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.
Are you serious? I mean really... R U SERIOUS???

Tyler won't be there for us in Round 2. I just can't fatthom it... and I'm willing to put up any bet.

Secondly, we don't need to focus our entire draft on our OL. We need to address our defense. Our defense let us down in the end. Our offense was 5th in the league in putting up points.... alls we need is a Guard in FA.

The way Tank Tyler preformed in senior bowl, I don't believe Cowboys will spend any first day picks to draft him, he can't push any OGs in one on one during the practice as well as in the game. Who's the coach in senior bowl? Wade Phillips.

Thank you, but Wade Phillips did not coach the Senior Bowl. But thanks for saying Tank will fall, because he will.

[Go Cowboys]

Dat Nguyen named linebackers coach for you guys. That seems fitting, a guy I always rooted for.

One of my all-time fav players no one worked harder than the man. He'll make a hell of a head coach one day, IMO.

I really like this move, too. I think he can be a heck of a coach.

Yipee I can't wait to seeing him in Texas Stadium again.

Hell yes, he was always one of most underrated MLB when he played. I was real upset when he had that injury last year, I knew we lost a great leader. I still remember the days Dat and Dexter Coakly used fly around all over place making plays with there speed, which was only a few years ago, but still. They were both undersized, but still they were big part of those Dave Campo defenses. Not to mention he was hero and role model to the large Asian community here in the Metroplex area.

Dexter and Dat wow those were the days of LB's, imagine them and Ware together for a few years wow that would be dominating if they were as oung as he is now. What ever happened to Dexter? I know the Rams picked him up but nothing since.

[M.O.T.H.]

Mike Zimmer to interview for Chargers job.

[nrcirc]

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.
Are you serious? I mean really... R U SERIOUS???

Tyler won't be there for us in Round 2. I just can't fatthom it... and I'm willing to put up any bet.

Secondly, we don't need to focus our entire draft on our OL. We need to address our defense. Our defense let us down in the end. Our offense was 5th in the league in putting up points.... alls we need is a Guard in FA.

The way Tank Tyler preformed in senior bowl, I don't believe Cowboys will spend any first day picks to draft him, he can't push any OGs in one on one during the practice as well as in the game. Who's the coach in senior bowl? Wade Phillips.

Thank you, but Wade Phillips did not coach the Senior Bowl. But thanks for saying Tank will fall, because he will.

This is very bad. :oops: :oops:

[D-Unit]

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.
Are you serious? I mean really... R U SERIOUS???

Tyler won't be there for us in Round 2. I just can't fatthom it... and I'm willing to put up any bet.

Secondly, we don't need to focus our entire draft on our OL. We need to address our defense. Our defense let us down in the end. Our offense was 5th in the league in putting up points.... alls we need is a Guard in FA.

The way Tank Tyler preformed in senior bowl, I don't believe Cowboys will spend any first day picks to draft him, he can't push any OGs in one on one during the practice as well as in the game. Who's the coach in senior bowl? Wade Phillips.

Thank you, but Wade Phillips did not coach the Senior Bowl. But thanks for saying Tank will fall, because he will.
So first you say, he will be there for us in the second... then you back down from that a little and say he will be in the second, not necessarily when we pick... and now you say... he will fall...

Lemme ask.. Fall from where??? Fall out of the second round? You can't say that you meant "fall out of the first"... cause you never thought he should be in the first round to begin with.... So what do you mean when you say he'll fall?

[DMWSackMachine]

I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to say that just because Scott has Tyler going in the first round, then there is no way that he will fall. No disrespect to Scott, but that is just stupid. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day, even the day before the draft when everything has been said and done and all the evaluation work is compiled and all players have been cemented as exactly what they are going to be. Things still happen from out of nowhere. And right now we haven't even seen the combine workouts or the individual pro-days, and a ton of evaluators are still trying to get up to speed on the under-classmen. Let's get real.

If you remember, at this time last year Scott had one Gabe Watson projected as a late 1st round pick, and--unlike Tyler--he actually was one of the most impressive players from the Senior Bowl week. We all know how that turned out, and everyone on this board would have been skeeting all over the place at the opportunity to get him with our 3rd rounder, had we done that. In addition, Scott had Jason Hatcher as a late-round/project guy who did not have the necessary explosiveness to be an impact pass rusher in the league, and probably wouldn't contribute much for his first season or two. We all know how that turned out.

So, to say that because he is not available after #26 by Scott's line of thinking does not mean that he won't be there for us in the 2nd round. Personally, I think he will fall way down to at least the mid-late 2nd, and maybe all the way to the 3rd. He did nothing to impress at the Senior Bowl, and likely will not put up anything impressive in his workouts. As such, I would not be comfortable spending either a 1st or a 2nd on him. But, then, I'm no expert.

[amiyahomiojs]

Tank Tyler will not be picked in the 1st round. Tank Tyler with be there in the 2nd, or only picked a couple spots before us.

Our draft should be focused on the o-line period, that is all we need. If we get an O-line and we don't make the NFC Title atleast, we will be a HUGE disapointments.
Are you serious? I mean really... R U SERIOUS???

Tyler won't be there for us in Round 2. I just can't fatthom it... and I'm willing to put up any bet.

Secondly, we don't need to focus our entire draft on our OL. We need to address our defense. Our defense let us down in the end. Our offense was 5th in the league in putting up points.... alls we need is a Guard in FA.

The way Tank Tyler preformed in senior bowl, I don't believe Cowboys will spend any first day picks to draft him, he can't push any OGs in one on one during the practice as well as in the game. Who's the coach in senior bowl? Wade Phillips.

Thank you, but Wade Phillips did not coach the Senior Bowl. But thanks for saying Tank will fall, because he will.
So first you say, he will be there for us in the second... then you back down from that a little and say he will be in the second, not necessarily when we pick... and now you say... he will fall...

Lemme ask.. Fall from where??? Fall out of the second round? You can't say that you meant "fall out of the first"... cause you never thought he should be in the first round to begin with.... So what do you mean when you say he'll fall?

He will fall out of the first round.

[amiyahomiojs]

I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to say that just because Scott has Tyler going in the first round, then there is no way that he will fall. No disrespect to Scott, but that is just stupid. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day, even the day before the draft when everything has been said and done and all the evaluation work is compiled and all players have been cemented as exactly what they are going to be. Things still happen from out of nowhere. And right now we haven't even seen the combine workouts or the individual pro-days, and a ton of evaluators are still trying to get up to speed on the under-classmen. Let's get real.

If you remember, at this time last year Scott had one Gabe Watson projected as a late 1st round pick, and--unlike Tyler--he actually was one of the most impressive players from the Senior Bowl week. We all know how that turned out, and everyone on this board would have been skeeting all over the place at the opportunity to get him with our 3rd rounder, had we done that. In addition, Scott had Jason Hatcher as a late-round/project guy who did not have the necessary explosiveness to be an impact pass rusher in the league, and probably wouldn't contribute much for his first season or two. We all know how that turned out.

So, to say that because he is not available after #26 by Scott's line of thinking does not mean that he won't be there for us in the 2nd round. Personally, I think he will fall way down to at least the mid-late 2nd, and maybe all the way to the 3rd. He did nothing to impress at the Senior Bowl, and likely will not put up anything impressive in his workouts. As such, I would not be comfortable spending either a 1st or a 2nd on him. But, then, I'm no expert.

What do you guys have to say to that?

[D-Unit]

I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to say that just because Scott has Tyler going in the first round, then there is no way that he will fall. No disrespect to Scott, but that is just stupid. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day, even the day before the draft when everything has been said and done and all the evaluation work is compiled and all players have been cemented as exactly what they are going to be. Things still happen from out of nowhere. And right now we haven't even seen the combine workouts or the individual pro-days, and a ton of evaluators are still trying to get up to speed on the under-classmen. Let's get real.

If you remember, at this time last year Scott had one Gabe Watson projected as a late 1st round pick, and--unlike Tyler--he actually was one of the most impressive players from the Senior Bowl week. We all know how that turned out, and everyone on this board would have been skeeting all over the place at the opportunity to get him with our 3rd rounder, had we done that. In addition, Scott had Jason Hatcher as a late-round/project guy who did not have the necessary explosiveness to be an impact pass rusher in the league, and probably wouldn't contribute much for his first season or two. We all know how that turned out.

So, to say that because he is not available after #26 by Scott's line of thinking does not mean that he won't be there for us in the 2nd round. Personally, I think he will fall way down to at least the mid-late 2nd, and maybe all the way to the 3rd. He did nothing to impress at the Senior Bowl, and likely will not put up anything impressive in his workouts. As such, I would not be comfortable spending either a 1st or a 2nd on him. But, then, I'm no expert.
The problem with Watson was that his play in college.... or lack of it... scared everybody from drafting him. Goes to show a Senior Bowl performance is not EVERYTHING. On the other hand, DeMarcus Tyler had a monster senior season and he's been steady throughout his career.

I also think that his performance in the Senior bowl is being overexaggerated... Somebody saw him get blocked in a 2 second highlight clip and that's it... they're all convinced he sucks... That's dumb. These practices are not the best indicator of what they can do. There is no game film study on their opponent, no preparation... just go out and go... I listened to an interview from Tyler from during the season and he talks about how much time he invests in studying his opponent. If you look up some scouting analysis from the Senior Bowl on Tyler you'll notice that Wednesday was his breakout day and he did very well after that... Just goes to show... he improved after getting to know his opponent, instead of the other way around.

That interview was great actually... he talked about how he plays the game... as the vocal leader on the DL... he spoke of his spitting acusation... saying that he didn't spit purposely, but that he talks loud on the field and in the moment, stuff might've flied out while talking to the OL he was barking to.

[D-Unit]

I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to say that just because Scott has Tyler going in the first round, then there is no way that he will fall. No disrespect to Scott, but that is just stupid. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day, even the day before the draft when everything has been said and done and all the evaluation work is compiled and all players have been cemented as exactly what they are going to be. Things still happen from out of nowhere. And right now we haven't even seen the combine workouts or the individual pro-days, and a ton of evaluators are still trying to get up to speed on the under-classmen. Let's get real.

If you remember, at this time last year Scott had one Gabe Watson projected as a late 1st round pick, and--unlike Tyler--he actually was one of the most impressive players from the Senior Bowl week. We all know how that turned out, and everyone on this board would have been skeeting all over the place at the opportunity to get him with our 3rd rounder, had we done that. In addition, Scott had Jason Hatcher as a late-round/project guy who did not have the necessary explosiveness to be an impact pass rusher in the league, and probably wouldn't contribute much for his first season or two. We all know how that turned out.

So, to say that because he is not available after #26 by Scott's line of thinking does not mean that he won't be there for us in the 2nd round. Personally, I think he will fall way down to at least the mid-late 2nd, and maybe all the way to the 3rd. He did nothing to impress at the Senior Bowl, and likely will not put up anything impressive in his workouts. As such, I would not be comfortable spending either a 1st or a 2nd on him. But, then, I'm no expert.

What do you guys have to say to that?
Do you want #72 to smash you? Look at that bad boy flying through the air!

http://www.newsobserver.com/media/2006/09/24/02/reg-1405901-892354.standalone.jpg

[nrcirc]

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/02/14/Bucs/Georgia_Tech_s_Johnso.shtml

Wow. :D

[D-Unit]

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/02/14/Bucs/Georgia_Tech_s_Johnso.shtml

Wow. :D
I gotta see it to believe it.

[Poet3334]

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/02/14/Bucs/Georgia_Tech_s_Johnso.shtml

Wow. :D
I gotta see it to believe it.

Wow is right. I've had the privilege to see this guy play the last three years. He was in a different gear than everyone else, and that's saying something in the ACC. If only he had a quarterback throwing him the ball.

[amiyahomiojs]

I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to say that just because Scott has Tyler going in the first round, then there is no way that he will fall. No disrespect to Scott, but that is just stupid. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day, even the day before the draft when everything has been said and done and all the evaluation work is compiled and all players have been cemented as exactly what they are going to be. Things still happen from out of nowhere. And right now we haven't even seen the combine workouts or the individual pro-days, and a ton of evaluators are still trying to get up to speed on the under-classmen. Let's get real.

If you remember, at this time last year Scott had one Gabe Watson projected as a late 1st round pick, and--unlike Tyler--he actually was one of the most impressive players from the Senior Bowl week. We all know how that turned out, and everyone on this board would have been skeeting all over the place at the opportunity to get him with our 3rd rounder, had we done that. In addition, Scott had Jason Hatcher as a late-round/project guy who did not have the necessary explosiveness to be an impact pass rusher in the league, and probably wouldn't contribute much for his first season or two. We all know how that turned out.

So, to say that because he is not available after #26 by Scott's line of thinking does not mean that he won't be there for us in the 2nd round. Personally, I think he will fall way down to at least the mid-late 2nd, and maybe all the way to the 3rd. He did nothing to impress at the Senior Bowl, and likely will not put up anything impressive in his workouts. As such, I would not be comfortable spending either a 1st or a 2nd on him. But, then, I'm no expert.

What do you guys have to say to that?
Do you want #72 to smash you? Look at that bad boy flying through the air!

http://www.newsobserver.com/media/2006/09/24/02/reg-1405901-892354.standalone.jpg

LOL. Don't get me wrong I do like Tank, but I would only take him in the 2nd, not first.

[D-Unit]

LOL. Don't get me wrong I do like Tank, but I would only take him in the 2nd, not first.

Then what is this about???

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Oh I didn't see those rules, sorry. In that case, this is how my off-season would go:

FA: Kris Dielman, Ken Hamlin, and John Brown

Draft:
Round 1: DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, NT, NC State
Round 2: Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
Round 3: Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennesee
Round 4: Andre Allison, WR, East Carolina
Round 5: Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
Round 6: A Center
Round 7: More O-line Depth
Round 7: A linebacker
Round 7: BPA

Hows That?

[amiyahomiojs]

LOL. Don't get me wrong I do like Tank, but I would only take him in the 2nd, not first.

Then what is this about???

You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

Oh I didn't see those rules, sorry. In that case, this is how my off-season would go:

FA: Kris Dielman, Ken Hamlin, and John Brown

Draft:
Round 1: DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, NT, NC State
Round 2: Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
Round 3: Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennesee
Round 4: Andre Allison, WR, East Carolina
Round 5: Ramonce Taylor, RB, Texas
Round 6: A Center
Round 7: More O-line Depth
Round 7: A linebacker
Round 7: BPA

Hows That?

I did that just to please with you guys.

[amiyahomiojs]

Anyway, did you guys hear Talkin' Cowboys today?

Bill Jones mentioned the comments John Kitna said about our defense a while back to Terence Newman, and he said who is John Kitna?

LMFAO. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Poet3334]

Anyway, did you guys hear Talkin' Cowboys today?

Bill Jones mentioned the comments John Kitna said about our defense a while back to Terence Newman, and he said who is John Kitna?

LMFAO. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Uh, John Kitna shredded our secondary Terence. That's who he is.

[DMWSackMachine]

I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to say that just because Scott has Tyler going in the first round, then there is no way that he will fall. No disrespect to Scott, but that is just stupid. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day, even the day before the draft when everything has been said and done and all the evaluation work is compiled and all players have been cemented as exactly what they are going to be. Things still happen from out of nowhere. And right now we haven't even seen the combine workouts or the individual pro-days, and a ton of evaluators are still trying to get up to speed on the under-classmen. Let's get real.

If you remember, at this time last year Scott had one Gabe Watson projected as a late 1st round pick, and--unlike Tyler--he actually was one of the most impressive players from the Senior Bowl week. We all know how that turned out, and everyone on this board would have been skeeting all over the place at the opportunity to get him with our 3rd rounder, had we done that. In addition, Scott had Jason Hatcher as a late-round/project guy who did not have the necessary explosiveness to be an impact pass rusher in the league, and probably wouldn't contribute much for his first season or two. We all know how that turned out.

So, to say that because he is not available after #26 by Scott's line of thinking does not mean that he won't be there for us in the 2nd round. Personally, I think he will fall way down to at least the mid-late 2nd, and maybe all the way to the 3rd. He did nothing to impress at the Senior Bowl, and likely will not put up anything impressive in his workouts. As such, I would not be comfortable spending either a 1st or a 2nd on him. But, then, I'm no expert.
The problem with Watson was that his play in college.... or lack of it... scared everybody from drafting him. Goes to show a Senior Bowl performance is not EVERYTHING. On the other hand, DeMarcus Tyler had a monster senior season and he's been steady throughout his career.

I also think that his performance in the Senior bowl is being overexaggerated... Somebody saw him get blocked in a 2 second highlight clip and that's it... they're all convinced he sucks... That's dumb. These practices are not the best indicator of what they can do. There is no game film study on their opponent, no preparation... just go out and go... I listened to an interview from Tyler from during the season and he talks about how much time he invests in studying his opponent. If you look up some scouting analysis from the Senior Bowl on Tyler you'll notice that Wednesday was his breakout day and he did very well after that... Just goes to show... he improved after getting to know his opponent, instead of the other way around.

That interview was great actually... he talked about how he plays the game... as the vocal leader on the DL... he spoke of his spitting acusation... saying that he didn't spit purposely, but that he talks loud on the field and in the moment, stuff might've flied out while talking to the OL he was barking to.

Yeah, that's true, but the senior bowl is a big part of the evaluation process. It can easily torpedo someone's stock. There are plenty of examples. More than one analyst remarked that he did nothing to stand out all week. I personally watched almost all of the coverage from senior bowl week, and I have it all on dvd, and plan to finish it sometime before the combine. I haven't yet seen anything to pique my interest out of him at this point.

But that is all besides the point. My point was that simply because Scott has him in the 1st does not mean that he is going to go there, or even that there is a good chance of him going there. It's all just speculation at this point. In his specific circumstance, he doesn't seem to have much momentum generated at this point to suggest--to me-- that he will be taken there. But that remains to be seen.

All I am/was saying is that he hasn't done anything to this point to say that he is a "lock" to go in the top 40. There are some that have, but he is not among them.

[D-Unit]

I'm not saying the Senior Bowl can't help or hurt a person's stock... but I definately think that it's only a part of the equation. If a player had a good career and a good SB, then surely that can help him... the same can be said if he had a bad career and a bad SB, then that won't help him... However, for prospects who have had a good career and a bad SB or a bad career and a good SB, you have to dig deeper than just say... Oh he had a bad SB, his stock will fall or he had a good SB, he will be picked high now.

Secondly, I never take Scott's mock or rankings as pure gospel.... c'mon now...

In my opinion solely outside of Scott's or anyone else's opinion... I do believe he is a lock for the top 40. I think that he is a lock for Round 1. Considering his college resume, his unique size combination in this draft, the lack of anyone else on his talent level available in this draft that can play NT, the weak FA class for NTs and the amount of teams that could use him as a 4-3 NT or a 3-4 NT... helps me to believe that will happen.

[TNewFan41]

[quote="TNewFan41"][quote="thule"]You get 3 FA signings and the draft. In the draft you can only give us players that are available to us according to scott's mock. So if they are gone in scott's mock, then you can't select them. What do you do?

FA= Leonard Davis, Nate Clements, Bac-up OT

R.1: DeMarcus Tank Tyler
R.2: Aaron Rouse
R.3: Manuel Ramirez

[amiyahomiojs]

So your saying we move Henry to FS. OMG I hate that idea, but if it happens, so be it. :?

And looks like talks with Gurode are going well, this is from DallasCowboys.com:


The Cowboys have been in ongoing discussions with center Andre Gurode and his agent in regard to a new contract.

Gurode, an unrestricted free agent for the second consecutive year, is looking for much more than the one-year deal he signed last March. Gurode started all 16 games at center this past season and was added to the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement. Gurode was one of seven Cowboys who played in last Saturday's game in Hawaii.

The Cowboys and Gurode's camp had been talking extensively even before Bill Parcells' announced his retirement and the coaching search began.

With Wade Phillips now in the fold, look for the Cowboys and Gurode to work out a new deal, likely before March 2, the first day of the free-agent signing period.

The Cowboys apparently are not far along in contract talks with right tackle Marc Colombo or even quarterback Tony Romo, who has one year remaining on the extension he signed last August.

But not so good with Columbo. I'm worried about that.

[Paul]

What about the possibility of trading down? There isn't any prospect projected in the first round that has me head over heels, and the draft is deep enough in talent where we can still find great players later on. And if we can find a deal, similar to the JP Losman trade few years back, and get us an extra 1st rounder in next years draft, I would definitely take it.

[amiyahomiojs]

What about the possibility of trading down? There isn't any prospect projected in the first round that has me head over heels, and the draft is deep enough in talent where we can still find great players later on. And if we can find a deal, similar to the JP Losman trade few years back, and get us an extra 1st rounder in next years draft, I would definitely take it.

I completely agree. I want to pick in the top 5 (via trade) so bad. I want some elite talent. We got so close when Buffalo started 0-4 but then Bledsoe went crazy and got them to 9-7. That was kind of a double poison, if Bledsoe didn't play so good we probably wouldn't have signed him, and we would have gotten a top 5 pick, lol. If we could trade down to someone like Detriot and pick up their next years first, I would love it.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

What about the possibility of trading down? There isn't any prospect projected in the first round that has me head over heels, and the draft is deep enough in talent where we can still find great players later on. And if we can find a deal, similar to the JP Losman trade few years back, and get us an extra 1st rounder in next years draft, I would definitely take it.

The only way I wouldn't do it is if someone like Landry, Nelson or somebody who is too good to pass up is there at 22

[LSUALUM99]

Unless Nelson blows away the combine with numbers, he'll be there at 22.

I personally like Landry way better than Nelson, but I'd take Nelson.

That being said, I think it's more likely to move Henry to FS, and draft Ross / Hughes / Hall at 22 even if Nelson is still available.

[M.O.T.H.]

I think Merriweather is going to leapfrog Nelson... Really wouldnt be surprised to see us take him at 22.

[D-Unit]

I think Merriweather is going to leapfrog Nelson... Really wouldnt be surprised to see us take him at 22.
Oh heck no! Still praying myself that Nelson is there... highly, HIGHLY doubtful. He's the only guy I'd take before Tyler.

Don't worry LSU... Nelson will blow up the combine. He'll probably put up one of the fastest times too.

[Number 10]

I think Merriweather is going to leapfrog Nelson... Really wouldnt be surprised to see us take him at 22.
Oh heck no! Still praying myself that Nelson is there... highly, HIGHLY doubtful. He's the only guy I'd take before Tyler.

Don't worry LSU... Nelson will blow up the combine. He'll probably put up one of the fastest times too.

Damn right.

I still have him going top 10.

[M.O.T.H.]

Even if Merriweather doesnt leapfrog Mr. Nelson... I dont see him getting out of the first round. I would be happy landing either of the two but... I still dont wanna give up on Watkins as crazy as that sounds.

[M.O.T.H.]

Even if Merriweather doesnt leapfrog Mr. Nelson... I dont see him getting out of the first round. I would be happy landing either of the two but... I still dont wanna give up on Watkins as crazy as that sounds.

I have to admit that Nelson's tackling does scare me a bit though.

[D-Unit]

Even if Merriweather doesnt leapfrog Mr. Nelson... I dont see him getting out of the first round. I would be happy landing either of the two but... I still dont wanna give up on Watkins as crazy as that sounds.

I have to admit that Nelson's tackling does scare me a bit though.
What??? You gotta watch him more. Try and check out some of his stuff on youtube.

Merriweather sounds like this year's Gabe Watson.

[Modano]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..

[amiyahomiojs]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..

Yes, but why move Henry to FS?

this is such a stupid idea IMO. CB is one of the hardest positions to find, Henry is already a good CB, what if the move doesn't work out.

That is so stupid IMO.

[LSUALUM99]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..

Yes, but why move Henry to FS?

this is such a stupid idea IMO. CB is one of the hardest positions to find, Henry is already a good CB, what if the move doesn't work out.

That is so stupid IMO.

Well, Henry is on the wrong side of 30 now so even if you don't move him you've got 2 or so years left at CB for him.

So, why not try and move him to FS where you could get 4+ years and bring in a young player? It's not as if Aaron Glenn is young either. You NEED some youth at CB regardless of what you do with Henry. Moving Henry just makes alot of sense for age purposes and the fact you NEED another young talent anyway.

[bigmac076]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..

Yes, but why move Henry to FS?

this is such a stupid idea IMO. CB is one of the hardest positions to find, Henry is already a good CB, what if the move doesn't work out.

That is so stupid IMO.

Henry is a perfect fit in Phillips' 3-4 scheme. It sort of like a 46 where the corners jam and the FS plays a veritibal "centerfielder". Roy Williams would play Rover, the perfect role for him. We move nery to FS draft a jam corner in RD1, guard in RD2, and another skill guy in RD3. get it?

[Staubach12]

Now, I know we all want Colombo and Gurode to be resigned, but am I the only one who want Romo to get a new contract soon? He's a free agent after next year. I wouldn't mind a 4 or 5 year deal to lock him up for a while. This could be a lot later, but if it doesn't happen this offseason, then you better believe it's going to cost us some money, because he'll garner a lot of intrest. It could wait until camp, but the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

[Ward]

Now, I know we all want Colombo and Gurode to be resigned, but am I the only one who want Romo to get a new contract soon? He's a free agent after next year. I wouldn't mind a 4 or 5 year deal to lock him up for a while. This could be a lot later, but if it doesn't happen this offseason, then you better believe it's going to cost us some money, because he'll garner a lot of intrest. It could wait until camp, but the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

If we don't get Romo signed, it will be because Romo doesn't want to be here. I guarantee Jerry will cough up the dough. We haven't had a home-grown QB of note since Aikman, and Jerry will make sure we keep him.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Now, I know we all want Colombo and Gurode to be resigned, but am I the only one who want Romo to get a new contract soon? He's a free agent after next year. I wouldn't mind a 4 or 5 year deal to lock him up for a while. This could be a lot later, but if it doesn't happen this offseason, then you better believe it's going to cost us some money, because he'll garner a lot of intrest. It could wait until camp, but the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

If we don't get Romo signed, it will be because Romo doesn't want to be here. I guarantee Jerry will cough up the dough. We haven't had a home-grown QB of note since Aikman, and Jerry will make sure we keep him.

The only person out of that group that won't definately be resigned is Columbo. I think Gurode and Romo will be easy.

[M.O.T.H.]

I've seen plenty of Nelson to know that he does have some technique problems and his tackling is at times subpar and can be a liability at the next level. There is no way Meriweather is going to be this year's Watson. Watson fell in the draft because,of his fluctuating weight, his lack of speed, and you know having the "underacheiver" label stuck to you throughout college doesnt help your chances. As for Meriweather he has just as much talent of say a Nelson, maybe more so. The only reason we're are even talking about him as a 2nd rounder right now is the two "incidents". The fight for one and returning fire with a legal handgun. I dont think either of these will be large enough to keep a player of Meriweather's talent out of the first. There are players that have done worse and were still selected in round numero uno. I just can't see him making it out of the first. He should test out exceptionally at the combine.

[Jughead10]

One different between Nelson and Merriweather is height. Merriweather has the height for an average corner. Sure if you are good enough you can overcome height, but I don't think Brandon is that type of special.

[amiyahomiojs]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..

Yes, but why move Henry to FS?

this is such a stupid idea IMO. CB is one of the hardest positions to find, Henry is already a good CB, what if the move doesn't work out.

That is so stupid IMO.

Well, Henry is on the wrong side of 30 now so even if you don't move him you've got 2 or so years left at CB for him.

So, why not try and move him to FS where you could get 4+ years and bring in a young player? It's not as if Aaron Glenn is young either. You NEED some youth at CB regardless of what you do with Henry. Moving Henry just makes alot of sense for age purposes and the fact you NEED another young talent anyway.

30 is not old anymore. So your saying in 3 years we will have to move Newman to safety, yea right. Newman will have atleast 6 more pro-bowl season, regardless of age. Look at Jason Taylor, who is 32, just had his best season yet, and DE is a much more grueling position than CB. Plus with all the new medicines coming out Henry isn't old at all. I wouldn't be aposed to a young corner, but why fix something that isn't broken? Yet, atleast.

[D-Unit]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..
Hahaha... Who was the last great NFL DB to come from Texas? Don't tell me Huff cause the jury is still out on him.

I'd take Ross, but I've got my reservations.

[D-Unit]

I've seen plenty of Nelson to know that he does have some technique problems and his tackling is at times subpar and can be a liability at the next level. There is no way Meriweather is going to be this year's Watson. Watson fell in the draft because,of his fluctuating weight, his lack of speed, and you know having the "underacheiver" label stuck to you throughout college doesnt help your chances. As for Meriweather he has just as much talent of say a Nelson, maybe more so. The only reason we're are even talking about him as a 2nd rounder right now is the two "incidents". The fight for one and returning fire with a legal handgun. I dont think either of these will be large enough to keep a player of Meriweather's talent out of the first. There are players that have done worse and were still selected in round numero uno. I just can't see him making it out of the first. He should test out exceptionally at the combine.
There's a huge difference in coverage ability. Merriweather isn't close to Nelson. I'm not worried about Nelson's ability to provide run support...and Brandon could very well be better in that aspect. But that's not really our problem. Our problem is coverage and it has been that way for a long time now. I'm much more interested in getting a FS that has elite coverage skills than a FS that can provide run D.

[nrcirc]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..
Hahaha... Who was the last great NFL DB to come from Texas? Don't tell me Huff cause the jury is still out on him.

I'd take Ross, but I've got my reservations.

Coming our from Texas is fine as long as your last name is not Williams. :lol:

[D-Unit]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..
Hahaha... Who was the last great NFL DB to come from Texas? Don't tell me Huff cause the jury is still out on him.

I'd take Ross, but I've got my reservations.

Coming our from Texas is fine as long as your last name is not Williams. :lol:
I don't know if I should be laughing with you.. or at you.

[Poet3334]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..
Hahaha... Who was the last great NFL DB to come from Texas? Don't tell me Huff cause the jury is still out on him.

I'd take Ross, but I've got my reservations.

Coming our from Texas is fine as long as your last name is not Williams. :lol:I don't know if I should be laughing with you.. or at you.

:?

[M.O.T.H.]

I've seen plenty of Nelson to know that he does have some technique problems and his tackling is at times subpar and can be a liability at the next level. There is no way Meriweather is going to be this year's Watson. Watson fell in the draft because,of his fluctuating weight, his lack of speed, and you know having the "underacheiver" label stuck to you throughout college doesnt help your chances. As for Meriweather he has just as much talent of say a Nelson, maybe more so. The only reason we're are even talking about him as a 2nd rounder right now is the two "incidents". The fight for one and returning fire with a legal handgun. I dont think either of these will be large enough to keep a player of Meriweather's talent out of the first. There are players that have done worse and were still selected in round numero uno. I just can't see him making it out of the first. He should test out exceptionally at the combine.
There's a huge difference in coverage ability. Merriweather isn't close to Nelson. I'm not worried about Nelson's ability to provide run support...and Brandon could very well be better in that aspect. But that's not really our problem. Our problem is coverage and it has been that way for a long time now. I'm much more interested in getting a FS that has elite coverage skills than a FS that can provide run D.

I dont know about that one. I've seen Nelson bite one too many times on play action to give him that. I'm sure Reggie will be picked before Meriweather... most people have him going anywhere from 9-15 it seems but, i dont think he will have the better pro career. I dont think there coverage ability is nearly as far apart as you think it is and Meriweather has him beat in speed, vertical, and tackling ability. Like I said before I would be happy with either one but, I'm liking Meriweather better in the long run. In either case, they would give us some nice flexibilty given they both have the talent to play safety or corner. I'd be surprised to see either make the move to corner though.

[D-Unit]

I've seen plenty of Nelson to know that he does have some technique problems and his tackling is at times subpar and can be a liability at the next level. There is no way Meriweather is going to be this year's Watson. Watson fell in the draft because,of his fluctuating weight, his lack of speed, and you know having the "underacheiver" label stuck to you throughout college doesnt help your chances. As for Meriweather he has just as much talent of say a Nelson, maybe more so. The only reason we're are even talking about him as a 2nd rounder right now is the two "incidents". The fight for one and returning fire with a legal handgun. I dont think either of these will be large enough to keep a player of Meriweather's talent out of the first. There are players that have done worse and were still selected in round numero uno. I just can't see him making it out of the first. He should test out exceptionally at the combine.
There's a huge difference in coverage ability. Merriweather isn't close to Nelson. I'm not worried about Nelson's ability to provide run support...and Brandon could very well be better in that aspect. But that's not really our problem. Our problem is coverage and it has been that way for a long time now. I'm much more interested in getting a FS that has elite coverage skills than a FS that can provide run D.

I dont know about that one. I've seen Nelson bite one too many times on play action to give him that. I'm sure Reggie will be picked before Meriweather... most people have him going anywhere from 9-15 it seems but, i dont think he will have the better pro career. I dont think there coverage ability is nearly as far apart as you think it is and Meriweather has him beat in speed, vertical, and tackling ability. Like I said before I would be happy with either one but, I'm liking Meriweather better in the long run. In either case, they would give us some nice flexibilty given they both have the talent to play safety or corner. I'd be surprised to see either make the move to corner though.
Combine will settle some, however, no matter how well Merriweather does, I highly doubt he gets selected before Nelson. I'll be surprised if Merriweather is a first round pick at all. I see Nelson going between 15-20. Lot of teams in that range could use him.

Another issue and it is a big one, is his character flaws. You really cannot underestimate it. ...and as long as we have Jeff Ireland... We won't even give Brandon a second look.

[M.O.T.H.]

I've seen plenty of Nelson to know that he does have some technique problems and his tackling is at times subpar and can be a liability at the next level. There is no way Meriweather is going to be this year's Watson. Watson fell in the draft because,of his fluctuating weight, his lack of speed, and you know having the "underacheiver" label stuck to you throughout college doesnt help your chances. As for Meriweather he has just as much talent of say a Nelson, maybe more so. The only reason we're are even talking about him as a 2nd rounder right now is the two "incidents". The fight for one and returning fire with a legal handgun. I dont think either of these will be large enough to keep a player of Meriweather's talent out of the first. There are players that have done worse and were still selected in round numero uno. I just can't see him making it out of the first. He should test out exceptionally at the combine.
There's a huge difference in coverage ability. Merriweather isn't close to Nelson. I'm not worried about Nelson's ability to provide run support...and Brandon could very well be better in that aspect. But that's not really our problem. Our problem is coverage and it has been that way for a long time now. I'm much more interested in getting a FS that has elite coverage skills than a FS that can provide run D.

I dont know about that one. I've seen Nelson bite one too many times on play action to give him that. I'm sure Reggie will be picked before Meriweather... most people have him going anywhere from 9-15 it seems but, i dont think he will have the better pro career. I dont think there coverage ability is nearly as far apart as you think it is and Meriweather has him beat in speed, vertical, and tackling ability. Like I said before I would be happy with either one but, I'm liking Meriweather better in the long run. In either case, they would give us some nice flexibilty given they both have the talent to play safety or corner. I'd be surprised to see either make the move to corner though.
Combine will settle some, however, no matter how well Merriweather does, I highly doubt he gets selected before Nelson. I'll be surprised if Merriweather is a first round pick at all. I see Nelson going between 15-20. Lot of teams in that range could use him.

Another issue and it is a big one, is his character flaws. You really cannot underestimate it. ...and as long as we have Jeff Ireland... We won't even give Brandon a second look.

I agree, unless Nelson flops at the combine (unlikely) he will be drafted before Meriweather. I do love Meriweather's potential though and think who ever drafts him is getting a great one. I do disagree however, I think he has 1st round written all over him, given a nice showing at the combine. We'll have to wait and see... I can't wait. (one of my favorite times of the year.)

[M.O.T.H.]

Question for all: Who are some off the radar type players you are most looking forward to seeing at the combine?

For me...

Georgia RB, Danny Ware (Steal, steal, steal)

UNC RB, Ronnie Mcgill (Rumor has it, that he's got his 40 in the low 4.5's.)

Pitt State RB, Germain Race (I love the small school guys and you gotta love his production)

SC WR, Syvelle Newton (I wish he was doing some QB drills)

Delaware TE, Ben Patrick (friend of mine)

Cent. Mich DE, Dan Bazuin (The next hybrid?)

Ole Miss LB, Rory Johnson (I dont why but, he intrigues me)

SC CB, Fred Bennett (Coming into 06 season, considered to be 1st Rd. talent)

WYO S, John Wendling (Another on of my favs, he can do everything you ask of him)

Wake S, Josh Gattis (Always been a big fan, i think he's destined for bigger things than most do)

[nrcirc]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..
Hahaha... Who was the last great NFL DB to come from Texas? Don't tell me Huff cause the jury is still out on him.

I'd take Ross, but I've got my reservations.

Coming our from Texas is fine as long as your last name is not Williams. :lol:I don't know if I should be laughing with you.. or at you.

:?

That bad? Ricky Williams and Mike Williams.

[ftblisfun9]

Assuming Anthony Henry moves to FS
Draft:
1) Aaron Ross CB
2)J osh Beekman G
3) Steve Smith WR
4) Mason crosby(prob not aviable) or Justin Medlock- Kickers

[D-Unit]

Outside of all the Hawaii players...

Dunno... are these guys gonna be there?

QB Toby Korrodi, Tyler Thigpen, Jeff Smith
WR Jacoby Jones, Steve Smith, Courtney Taylor
RB Tyrone Moss
DT Howie Fuimaono, Paul Soliai, Marcus Thomas, Justin Harrell
DE Larry Birdine, Mkristo Bruce
ILB Anthony Waters, Blair Phillips
OLB Stewart Bradly, Dallas Sartz, Ameer Ismail
FS Josh Gattis, Kenny Chicoine, Quinton Teal

[bigmac076]

Outside of all the Hawaii players...

Dunno... are these guys gonna be there?

QB Toby Korrodi, Tyler Thigpen, Jeff Smith
WR Jacoby Jones, Steve Smith, Courtney Taylor
RB Tyrone Moss
DT Howie Fuimaono, Paul Soliai, Marcus Thomas, Justin Harrell
DE Larry Birdine, Mkristo Bruce
ILB Anthony Waters, Blair Phillips
OLB Stewart Bradly, Dallas Sartz, Ameer Ismail
FS Josh Gattis, Kenny Chicoine, Quinton Teal

D-Unit wheres the new Avy and sig? you look naked without one.

[Poet3334]

If we move Henry to FS I want Ross so bad.. He's gonna be the next great Longhorns' DB..
Hahaha... Who was the last great NFL DB to come from Texas? Don't tell me Huff cause the jury is still out on him.

I'd take Ross, but I've got my reservations.

Coming our from Texas is fine as long as your last name is not Williams. :lol:I don't know if I should be laughing with you.. or at you.

:?

That bad? Ricky Williams and Mike Williams.

Gotcha. Thank you.

[M.O.T.H.]

Outside of all the Hawaii players...

Dunno... are these guys gonna be there?

QB Toby Korrodi, Tyler Thigpen, Jeff Smith
WR Jacoby Jones, Steve Smith, Courtney Taylor
RB Tyrone Moss
DT Howie Fuimaono, Paul Soliai, Marcus Thomas, Justin Harrell
DE Larry Birdine, Mkristo Bruce
ILB Anthony Waters, Blair Phillips
OLB Stewart Bradly, Dallas Sartz, Ameer Ismail
FS Josh Gattis, Kenny Chicoine, Quinton Teal

D-Unit wheres the new Avy and sig? you look naked without one.

Bold= Not invited

Korrodi is someone I want to see also. Great size, Good Arm strength, very accurate.

Bruce- good choice... I've heard that some scouts have been calling him a poor man's Jason Taylor. I dont think he has anywhere near Taylor's speed but, perhaps he will surprise at the combine.

[Poet3334]

Josh Wilson, CB Maryland
Aaron Ross, CB Texas
Justin Blalock, G Texas
Darelle Revis, CB Pittsburgh
Jacoby Jones, WR Lane

[fryman]

Question for all: Who are some off the radar type players you are most looking forward to seeing at the combine?

Laurent Robinson- WR, Illinois St.