Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[Jdallas]

Does anyone else think that we should start giving Ware more opportunities on the strong side? If we start utilizing him on both sides of the field, we should be able to create better match ups... no?

Give me an example. I'm having trouble visualizing how this would work.
Well I'm pretty sure Joey Porter is used interchangeably on both sides. I may be oversimplifying the idea, but it would seem beneficial for our Defense if we could confuse offenses by aligning Ware in different spots and taking advantage of mismatches. It wouldn't work if he wasn't effective, but I'd like to give him a chance to show what he could do on the Strong side. He seems to have the right combination of size and skills to do it. Last year it might've been wrong to try it, but with his weight gain, ever growing experience, and Ellis' injury, this year might be a good time to try it.

I'm sure he could play on the strong side. Do you mean just switching with Carpenter/whoever is playing the other side? Or do you mean subbing in Burnett? Do you mean for a play or too or for an extended period of time?

I think it could be an effective way of giving players a break and getting new guys playing time. Maybe make some special packages out of moving him around.

I don't like the idea against the Colts because of how structured their offense is, but I could see it against other teams I guess. It still might be a little much to give to this defense in it's second year of transitioning, maybe not.

[Burns336]

i hate to double post, but no one has found any source that cites the number of touchdowns each DB has given up?

[Jdallas]

i hate to double post, but no one has found any source that cites the number of touchdowns each DB has given up?

I don't think a site like that exists. The big problem is that nobody other than the coaches can really know for sure who the responsibility of each TD goes to. Only the coach could really make a site like that with the correct numbers and it wouldn't make much sense for him to do something like that to his players.

[TheBoss]

i hate to double post, but no one has found any source that cites the number of touchdowns each DB has given up?

I don't think a site like that exists. The big problem is that nobody other than the coaches can really know for sure who the responsibility of each TD goes to. Only the coach could really make a site like that with the correct numbers and it wouldn't make much sense for him to do something like that to his players.

Yeah, I couldn't imagine Parcells typing away on a computer. Not even sure if he knows what a computer is.

[Burns336]

there has to be some way of tracking it doesnt there? On espn's all indespensible team that says Newman is the only corner who hasnt givne up a td since 04 had to find out somehow, right? Ive been keep track since that came out and he's shut down plax, steve smith, randle el, and whoever else hes been up against.

I also read somehwere else (wish i would of saved the link so i could show you guys) that newman is only thrown at something like 4.9 times per game which is lowest in the league. In comparrison to Deion, he had a career average of only 2.1 times per game, which is amazing. I always though of Deion as amazing but having only 2 passes thrown your way a game over an entire career for a 2 sport athlete is out of this world.

If any of you are wondering, no i am not like balaskoins, but i first started paying attention to drafting, stats and percentages after we drafted roy williams. Before that i was a little too young to appreciate those types of things. SO i am really interested in finding a site where i can watch the progress of all the big name DB's in the league just to see how they match up to their hype.

I like players like Newman, Mcallister, Bailey (told t-new "ill see you in hawaii"), Bodden (he actually got chad johnsons respect which is a feat in itself) Clements, and a few others that im not ready to make a concrete judgement on yet.

Notice i left Hall off of the list. Ive seen him get beat down by the likes of T.O. and others, and i think anyone who needs to talk that much and use a white board to make a plea to get sent to the pro bowl is a loser. I think his ego actually effects his play. Once he gets beat hes more worried about it being on sports center than the upcoming play.He gets his picks, but any respectable "analyst" knows that is decieving. Tory James and Deltha O'neal anyone?

Anyways, if anyone can come across any hard evidence about td's given up, post a link.

[leroyisgod]

Does anyone else think that we should start giving Ware more opportunities on the strong side? If we start utilizing him on both sides of the field, we should be able to create better match ups... no?

That was the beauty about watching Lawrence Taylor play in the day. They would line him up all over the field and take advantage of mismatches. I thought that's what BP and Zim were going to do with him this year. If you move him around, you'll keep the offense guessing.

[Poet3334]

Wouldn't it be perfect if Bill brings something like that out with Ware for this game? It'll be something no other offense has seen us do all year, and that is what causes us to beat the Colts. That would be fantastic.

[Jdallas]

Wouldn't it be perfect if Bill brings something like that out with Ware for this game? It'll be something no other offense has seen us do all year, and that is what causes us to beat the Colts. That would be fantastic.

Ware has lined up on the strong side other times this season. Portis' TD run is an easy ine to point out.

[D-Unit]

Well, we do know that putting Ware on the SS was something the coaching staff was thinking about doing when we were analyzing the possiblility of drafting Manny Lawson.

The more I think about the idea, the more I like it. It's high time we start giving Burnett more PT. He's not only last year's second round pick, but good things happen when he is in the game. His versatility complements Ware perfectly as he has the versatility to switch sides as well.

I know we drafted Carp to play SOLB, but I like the move BP has done putting him at WILB. Carp reminds me of a Mike Vrabel type. Another versatile LB who used to play WILB, but has moved to SOLB with the addition of Seau.

[DMWSackMachine]

One package that I was thinking about was having Carp, Burnett and Ware in all at one time in addition to Bradie. With that alignment, you could actually line DMW inside as well, and really get creative with some offset formations and different things. That way they would never be able to determine pre-snap where Ware is going to be. I know that doing things of this nature usually leads to breakdowns in the defense because of communication and unfamiliarity by the players being moved around, but it just seems that if we could give Peyton some different looks, make him have to wonder where DMW is going to be on any given play, and also get DeMarcus lined up against the weaker pass protecting guards - a la Merriman last year where he dismantled Lilja on multiple plays - then we would have a chance to create some confusion on Petyon's part.

I don't know, it just seems very disappointing to me that the coaching staff has decided to play it safe so damn much this year. I mean, we're giving up big plays anyway with our safeties keeping their heads lodged squarely up their sphincters, so why not take some chances that might lead to us actually have some corresponding big plays of our own? It's just really frustrating to watch, because I just know that Ware would flourish if given a chance to "tee-off" on the QB for long stretches.

[thule]

Well, we do know that putting Ware on the SS was something the coaching staff was thinking about doing when we were analyzing the possiblility of drafting Manny Lawson.

The more I think about the idea, the more I like it. It's high time we start giving Burnett more PT. He's not only last year's second round pick, but good things happen when he is in the game. His versatility complements Ware perfectly as he has the versatility to switch sides as well.

I know we drafted Carp to play SOLB, but I like the move BP has done putting him at WILB. Carp reminds me of a Mike Vrabel type. Another versatile LB who used to play WILB, but has moved to SOLB with the addition of Seau.

Just to add on...i'm sure everyone here remembers when Ware lined up on the SS, then the TE went in motion....as he followed him to the other side he jumped the line and got the sack...not sure exactly what game...but the way that play went will stand out in my mind for awhile...perfectly executed.

[TheBoss]

Is Parcells still looking to play Carp as ILB in the future. Or is he going to try to develop him as a OLB?

[thule]

Is Parcells still looking to play Carp as ILB in the future. Or is he going to try to develop him as a OLB?

Nothing has really be said aside from parcells mentioning he doesn't like the idea of carp holding up against the run for a whole game...doesn't believe he has the strength at this point. He also said he had a niche playing inside....and wanted to use him more in the nickle....could have a similar role to Burnett.

[thule]

We got back Stanley baby.

Anyway, everyone practiced for the Cowboys, including this year's sixth-round draft pick Montavious Stanley, who was claimed off waivers from Jacksonville.

From Mosley's Blog.

[thule]

Found a great article on how to stop the Colts offense. It makes alot of sense to me and if I were a betting man I see this exact thing happening.

How do you stop the Colt's offense? That's the question for Dallas this week. So with that in mind, I went back and watched the Bills-Colts game from last weekend. Buffalo held them to 17 points and were in the game the whole way. Here's what I observed.

I've never seen a team play one basic defensive formation for 90% of their plays on the field. No exaggeration. The Bills lined up in the same spots, play after play, using a 4-3-4 or 4-2-5 defense. Coach Parcells discussed how the Colts' formations and packages are very simple, it's true - more on that in a minute - but that allowed the Bills to run the same basic formation and they had no problems with the no-huddle, because they only subbed for one position almost every play.

The Bills lined up with four down linemen, and three linebackers or two linebackers and an extra cornerback, and a basic secondary set. If they thought it was a running down, they had three linebackers on the field, with one of the outside guys covering the TE, about three yards off the ball. The other two would line up in the middle about 5 yards deep. They ran that same formation constantly. When they thought it was a passing down, they subbed in a cornerback for the outside linebacker to cover the TE, usually Dallas Clark. Same formation exactly, only one substitution on defense. The corners were mostly lining up very deep on Harrison and Wayne, only occasionally would they roll-up tight for press coverage. The safeties were sitting back deep in Cover-2.

So they were essentially covering Dallas Clark with a cornerback, they were playing very loose in coverage, and the linebackers were lining up deep with only seven men in the box, and the box covered a lot of ground in this defense. They were begging the Colts to run the ball. If you have your linebackers five yards deep, that's an open invitation to run. So the Colts ran, to the tune of five yards per carry. But this was the key, they never busted off one of those long runs, the 20+ yarders that really change a game.

When the Colts threw the ball, Manning was constantly dumping off to his backs and his TE's underneath, and running screens. His longest pass of the day was only 23 yards, that was the only 20+ yarder that he threw all day, and he only averaged 6 yards a pass. So the effect was a running game that was biting off medium yardage every time, a pass offense that was content to play underneath, and a team that methodically drove the ball.

One more thing, I can count the times the Bills blitzed on one hand. They rushed 4 guys almost exclusively. They didn't sack Manning and they only applied a limited amount of pressure, occasionally making him throw before he wanted to, but Manning had a lot of time to throw the ball.

The Colts on offense are so simple but so deadly effective. They lineup with Marvin Harrison on the right side, Reggie Wayne on the left side, one RB (Addai/Rhodes) and use two TE's, either both on the line or one split-out, that being Dallas Clark. They flip the TE's with Clark lining up in the slot on either side. Occasionally they'll line up with 4-wide. When Manning comes to the line he'll reposition either a TE or the RB, and they're off. There's never any motion, or exotic formations, they're just a well-oiled machine.

So what the Bills did on defense was all designed to not get beat deep, keep everything in front of them, make sure tackles, and hope to turn the ball over a couple of times. The Colts scoring drives took 9 plays twice and 13 plays once. The hope is that by making them run so many plays on their drives, they'll mess up somewhere, and they did fumble the ball twice. It's hard to get a turnover if they're marching 65-yards in four plays for a TD.

Buffalo ran into a problem, though, mainly their offense. They probably did the right thing by sticking with the run, but you have to pass somewhat effectively, and they only did on a couple of drives. It wasn't enough, even with Anthony Thomas - yes, the A-train and former Cowboy - dropping a c-note on the Colts run defense. I mean does the A-train plus Lee Evans and Peerless Price, with J.P. Losman at QB, strike fear into your heart? I didn't think so. But the Cowboys have a much more potent offense, so would a combination of the Bills defensive plan and the Cowboys offense be enough to defeat the undefeated? Maybe we'll find out, it depends on how Parcells plans to attack the Colts.

We ran a similar defensive scheme some of the time on Sunday against the Cardinals. We brought in Aaron Glenn to cover the 3rd receiver and removed an OLB, leaving three down linemen and one OLB lined up close to the line of scrimmage. Essentially we were creating a 4-man line, with 2 linebackers and 5 defensive backs. Aaron Glenn might be assigned to Dallas Clark, or they might move Newman to the slot, though my guess is they keep him outside on Marvin Harrison. I can guarantee you it won't be as easy for the Colts to run on our defense as it was to run on Buffalo's.

So the Bills used the conservative, play loose and deep approach to stopping the Colts. There's another school of thought that says attack the Colts, be very aggressive and get in Manning's face. The Chargers and the Steelers, two 3-4 teams, did that and got good results. My only problem is that both of those team's natural tendency is to play that way every week. Dallas doesn't do that, they use a more conservative 3-4 scheme, and haven't been very successful getting pressure from their blitzes. With a secondary vulnerable to the big play, especially at safety, I'm not sure if the aggressive blitzing approach would work for the Cowboys.

I would suggest they mimic the Bill's blueprint to some extent, except I wouldn't play as deep at linebacker as they were, and I would take a few more chances than they did in the pass rush. But making Manning work for scores using drives with a high play-count gives the Cowboys defense opportunities to get turnovers. It also keeps the clock moving with Indy running the ball and using short passes, possibly giving the Colts one or two fewer shots on offense. If Dallas can run the ball while mixing in some effective passing, then they can really shorten the game. That just may be the ticket to victory.

If we can hold Indy to 17 points, I like our chances.

Random notes:

The Colts still use the stretch play where they loop the guard and/or tackle around the edge, and let the TE and center handle the two down linemen on that side. They also run the middle draw quite a bit.

Peyton Manning will work the middle of the field to death given the opportunity. Bradie James and Akin Ayodele better be ready, and they also need to watch Addai and Rhodes on patterns in the flats and underneath. The Colts will run the screen to RB's and TE's, so the Cowboys need to recognize these plays as they form.

If Bob Sanders plays, the Colts are much tougher against the run. If Brandon Stokely plays, the offense will probably have a few more wrinkles.

From BTB

[thule]

In regaurd to the who will newman cover argument...I would just like to add this snip from parcells press conference.

Harrison is always on Newman's side of the field, I have seen him on the other side over his career, but I'd say 99% of the time he's on the left side of defense.

Also from JJT

Don't be surprised if the Cowboys have the speedy Newman shadow Harrison, while Henry gets matched up with the bigger, more physical Wayne.

[thule]

Another good article on us running the shotgun formation.
Todd Archer (http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/111506cpcowinsider.7cdce2f.html)

snip
The Cowboys do it because Romo thrives in the shotgun.

In the formation, he has completed 17 of 26 passes for 271 yards. His yards per attempt is a staggering 10.42, compared with 7.0 for Bledsoe, who is 7-of-13 for 91 yards.

Eleven of Romo's completions have gone for first downs and four have been for 25 yards or more.

The Cowboys went with an empty-backfield formation eight times against the Cardinals and used a three-wide receiver formation 19 times. Tight end Jason Witten lined up wide seven times.

By spreading the formations, Romo is able to make a better pre-snap read of the defense because it has to declare whether it is going to play man-to-man or zone.

Romo's elusiveness is also helped by the shotgun. He was able to slide-step a blitzing Robert Griffith on Sunday and throw a 34-yard dart to Patrick Crayton.

[Burns336]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/flash/flashPanels?section=nfl&id=2662747


check it out guys, heres a link that compars henry to wayne because espn also thinks thats going to be the key match up....watch out for those stop and go routes and the double move...

[fryman]

Just to add on...i'm sure everyone here remembers when Ware lined up on the SS, then the TE went in motion....as he followed him to the other side he jumped the line and got the sack...not sure exactly what game...but the way that play went will stand out in my mind for awhile...perfectly executed.

I loved that play, but I don't think he got the sack. I am pretty sure the QB dumped the ball off to the running back. I think it was against Jacksonville, in the opener.

[Poet3334]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_4667330

Anyone think there is any validity to this?

[TheBoss]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_4667330

Anyone think there is any validity to this?

That's news to me :shock:. They didn't give any real evidence of the Fisher rumor or BP quitting rumor. I hope it's not true. Not a big fan of Fisher honestly.

But didn't Jerry say he liked the 3-4 defense. So if anything he would bring someone in who uses that shceme.

[Poet3334]

Yeah, that's what he said a while back. I like Fisher, but I'm not sold on him coming here just yet. Besides, all this is conjecture now because we have a coach. It just makes you wonder. I would like someone to come in with a 3-4 background though.

[TheBoss]

What do you guys think of Mason Crosby in the 3rd or 4th round? Vanderjact has been kicking decent recently, but not sure if Parcells and the players are to fond of him.

[fryman]

Montavious Stanley is back on the roster, claimed off waivers.

[Staubach12]

Montavious Stanley is back on the roster, claimed off waivers.

Somebody already said that. Anyway, I don't expect anythi ng from him, we still need a NT. Bad. Looking at the Depth Chart, JayRatliff is listid as #2 at NT. Do you guys think he has what it takes to not only play NT, but be a good player there if Fergeson goes down?

[fryman]

Montavious Stanley is back on the roster, claimed off waivers.

Somebody already said that. Anyway, I don't expect anythi ng from him, we still need a NT. Bad. Looking at the Depth Chart, JayRatliff is listid as #2 at NT. Do you guys think he has what it takes to not only play NT, but be a good player there if Fergeson goes down?

My bad didn't see that. I don't really expect much now, but I hope he is able to work his way into the gameday roster later.

[Poet3334]

What do you guys think of Mason Crosby in the 3rd or 4th round? Vanderjact has been kicking decent recently, but not sure if Parcells and the players are to fond of him.

I like him a lot, just not there. I bet that's what it would take to get him though. I don't think we would draft a kicker.

[thule]

What do you guys think of Mason Crosby in the 3rd or 4th round? Vanderjact has been kicking decent recently, but not sure if Parcells and the players are to fond of him.

Actually in one of parcells press conferences this week he said he trusted Vandy and he has been kicking better in practice....so I would say that is a good sign on vandy.

[CTCowboysFan]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_4667330

Anyone think there is any validity to this?

Yes there is truth to it. Numerous sites have reported it and two weeks ago on NFL Countdown Mort said that Butch Davis wanted the Cowboys job but was told Jeff Fischer was the top guy for the job......Mort said it was lock that Fischer is our next head coach. If BP is not back say hello to a familar face, the 4-3 defense.

[Burns336]

all of the rumors of fisher may HAVE been true when bledsoe was qb and parcells was having his heart broken every weekend, but now there are numerous sources that claim Romo has not only brought new life to the team but to Parcells as well. Im not so sure he would be ready to walk away this year when he knows what this team could be after spending some time together. We just recently started to gel, up until the past couple weeks this team was a monster headache, now they give us and bp somthing to look forward to.

[CTCowboysFan]

all of the rumors of fisher may HAVE been true when bledsoe was qb and parcells was having his heart broken every weekend, but now there are numerous sources that claim Romo has not only brought new life to the team but to Parcells as well. Im not so sure he would be ready to walk away this year when he knows what this team could be after spending some time together. We just recently started to gel, up until the past couple weeks this team was a monster headache, now they give us and bp somthing to look forward to.

I wouldn't doubt that Romo has brought new energy into Bill Parcells and I think there is a possibility he returns but all of the Fischer reports have come out after Bledsoe was benched so it really has nothing to do with what you said.

[D-Unit]

Did you guys hear the latest rumors that Tom Brady wants to be the QB of the Dallas Cowboys when his contract expires????!!! Supposedly, Jessica Simpson told her agent this after her date with Tony Romo and her agent leaked the info. Romo was expressing how he was afraid of losing his job to her. :shock:















...that's how you guys sound like talking about Jeff Fischer as the next coach.

[CTCowboysFan]

Mort knows his stuff D-Unit. If Parcells is gone, Fischer will be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys mark my words. Now if Parcells does return then nothing else matters.

[TheBoss]

God I hope Parcells comes back. Fisher has the worst mustache this side of Lionel Richie. I don't want to see that on the sidelines.

[D-Unit]

Mort knows his stuff D-Unit. If Parcells is gone, Fischer will be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys mark my words. Now if Parcells does return then nothing else matters.
Excuse me, but Mort is the one who came out last offseason and proclaimed to the world that Parcells was going to call it quits and retire.

Instead, Parcells signed an extention.

I don't believe a thing Mort says... but you go ahead and do that. I'll believe it when I see it. I think Mort is nothing but a puppet. He obviously thinks that he has inside sources, but I think those sources are being controlled to leak exactly what Parcells wants leaked.... big fat lies.

[Burns336]

Jeff Fisher isnt cowboy material... I dont see how we could get a coach like that. Dick Lebeau would be a nice addition in terms with what he could do with the defense, but who knows if he could be a HC...


In a perfect world, we could have parcells as HC and lebeau as DC

[thule]

Jeff Fisher isnt cowboy material... I dont see how we could get a coach like that. Dick Lebeau would be a nice addition in terms with what he could do with the defense, but who knows if he could be a HC...


In a perfect world, we could have parcells as HC and lebeau as DC

Well we do know that he couldn't do it in Cinny....IDK if I really would expect great things out of him. Personally I love D's idea of singletary...but I have a feeling its not gonna happen.

If we went offensive HC my guy would probabally be solari. :|

[leroyisgod]

Mort knows his stuff D-Unit. If Parcells is gone, Fischer will be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys mark my words. Now if Parcells does return then nothing else matters.

Just like Mort was right last year when he said BP was going to quit after the '05 season!

[Ward]

Mort was also one of the geniuses at ESPN promoting the TO suicide story as if it were fact.

[D-Unit]

Mort was also one of the geniuses at ESPN promoting the TO suicide story as if it were fact.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good one.

[bigbluedefense]

Question. I noticed during the Cardinals game that the Cowboys came out in their nickel package alot more often than in weeks past, mainly because the Cards use a 3 WR set. It was used almost as much as their 3-4 base.

Do you think they'll use the nickel package as their base against the Colts since Indy is almost exclusively a 3 WR base? I think that would be dumb, you want to confuse the protection with the 3-4 mask, using that basic nickel against Indy is suicide. Any thoughts?

[Jdallas]

Question. I noticed during the Cardinals game that the Cowboys came out in their nickel package alot more often than in weeks past, mainly because the Cards use a 3 WR set. It was used almost as much as their 3-4 base.

Do you think they'll use the nickel package as their base against the Colts since Indy is almost exclusively a 3 WR base? I think that would be dumb, you want to confuse the protection with the 3-4 mask, using that basic nickel against Indy is suicide. Any thoughts?

I didn't see the game, but the Cowboys used 2 different nickel looks against the Cardinals. One was more for the run and one was more for the pass.

I'm sure the Cowboys will use the 3-4 quite a bit, but it's hard not to play a lot of nickel because of having either a LB or safety covering the 3rd WR.

I would say that we'll probably use the 3-4 more in this game than against the Cardinals because Ellis is gone and whoever replaces him should be better in coverage. Another reason would be to keep Newman on the outside against Harrison instead of moving him onto Stokely or Clark in the slot in our nickel package.

[youngbuck]

Question. I noticed during the Cardinals game that the Cowboys came out in their nickel package alot more often than in weeks past, mainly because the Cards use a 3 WR set. It was used almost as much as their 3-4 base.

Do you think they'll use the nickel package as their base against the Colts since Indy is almost exclusively a 3 WR base? I think that would be dumb, you want to confuse the protection with the 3-4 mask, using that basic nickel against Indy is suicide. Any thoughts?

The cowboys are looking to use their penny defense where they stay in the base 3-4 but play only one saftey (Roy Williams) and bring in the nickel corner (Aaron Glenn).

[bigbluedefense]

Question. I noticed during the Cardinals game that the Cowboys came out in their nickel package alot more often than in weeks past, mainly because the Cards use a 3 WR set. It was used almost as much as their 3-4 base.

Do you think they'll use the nickel package as their base against the Colts since Indy is almost exclusively a 3 WR base? I think that would be dumb, you want to confuse the protection with the 3-4 mask, using that basic nickel against Indy is suicide. Any thoughts?

The cowboys are looking to use their penny defense where they stay in the base 3-4 but play only one saftey (Roy Williams) and bring in the nickel corner (Aaron Glenn).

I guess that means Roy will be used as a FS in this game? Thats risky. They have the CBs to do it, but I don't know if you wanna run 1 S against Peyton. I like the nickel 335 package, but I never seen Dallas run it yet. The penny is a hit or miss philosophy, it will be interesting to see if it works.

[Jdallas]

Question. I noticed during the Cardinals game that the Cowboys came out in their nickel package alot more often than in weeks past, mainly because the Cards use a 3 WR set. It was used almost as much as their 3-4 base.

Do you think they'll use the nickel package as their base against the Colts since Indy is almost exclusively a 3 WR base? I think that would be dumb, you want to confuse the protection with the 3-4 mask, using that basic nickel against Indy is suicide. Any thoughts?

The cowboys are looking to use their penny defense where they stay in the base 3-4 but play only one saftey (Roy Williams) and bring in the nickel corner (Aaron Glenn).

I guess that means Roy will be used as a FS in this game? Thats risky. They have the CBs to do it, but I don't know if you wanna run 1 S against Peyton. I like the nickel 335 package, but I never seen Dallas run it yet. The penny is a hit or miss philosophy, it will be interesting to see if it works.

They've used this earlier in the season, I think it was against the Jaguars. It's not like they'll be using it the whole game either. Having 3 different nickel style defenses to throw at a team keeps you pretty flexible in what you can do.

[Burns336]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

[DMWSackMachine]

Jerry Jones remarked on the radio this week that the defense we showed against Arizona was about as plain Jane as you are going to see. We mainly played coverage because we knew there was no way we were going to get beat except for by giving up multiple big plays. Therefore, if you are going to do that, you just matchup as best you can and let your far superior talent take it's toll. That's basically what we did. I expect us to play much less nickel this week.

Also, Stokely has been out, and if he doesn't play then the Colts won't play hardly any 3 WR. They have been flexing Clark out into the slot a bit, but that isn't nearly as big as mismatch against our 3-4 as having Stokely in that spot would be. I dont' expect us to use much of the penny alignment this week. If we do, we're crazy. Peyton will eat that for lunch.

Also, Thule, the game you are thinking about was the first Washington game. DeMarcus followed Cooley across the field to simulate man coverage, and then swooped in right at the snap. Unfortunately, it was not a sack, although it was very close. Brunell dumped it off for an incomplete pass. Iirc, I thought at the time that it should have been intentional grounding, but I will have to go back and look again.

[D-Unit]

Just found out that the game is on cable TV here!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[M.O.T.H.]

Just found out that the game is on cable TV here!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah it's on cbs at 4:05 here I believe. I havent missed a cowboys game all year, last season I missed I believe two because, I live in jersey.

We play the lions on my B-day and I bet that will be the only game not televised.

[Staubach12]

I've got Sunday Ticket. 8)

[M.O.T.H.]

I've got Sunday Ticket. 8)

You jerk. :D

I'm gonna have to get the baseball one eventually since they are taking my braves off of TBS. :(

Where are you from Staubach?

[Staubach12]

Nashville. It's alright. I'd like to move back to Texas some time (I was born in Amarillo).

[M.O.T.H.]

Nashville. It's alright. I'd like to move back to Texas some time (I was born in Amarillo).

I was born in Atanta, moved to Orlando for a few years, then I went and lived in Austin and now I'm in NJ.

This is where I got all my fav teams from, I've taken a little piece of every place I've lived except NJ because, we do not have sports teams.

[Staubach12]

Nashville. It's alright. I'd like to move back to Texas some time (I was born in Amarillo).

I was born in Atanta, moved to Orlando for a few years, then I went and lived in Austin and now I'm in NJ.

This is where I got all my fav teams from, I've taken a little piece of every place I've lived except NJ because, we do not have sports teams.

Yeah. Looks like you've been all over the place. I've lived here for quite a while. I've always liked Dallas sports. My grandfather lives near Dallas, and he taught me the right way when I was little. :) How is NJ, BTW? Nice place to live?

[Dam8610]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

[Number 10]

I'm picking you guys to win this week.

[Poet3334]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

Is Sanders playing, or is it a gametime decision?

[BX]

I've got Sunday Ticket. 8)

You jerk. :D

I'm gonna have to get the baseball one eventually since they are taking my braves off of TBS. :(

Where are you from Staubach?

WHAT!?!?!

[youngbuck]

Question. I noticed during the Cardinals game that the Cowboys came out in their nickel package alot more often than in weeks past, mainly because the Cards use a 3 WR set. It was used almost as much as their 3-4 base.

Do you think they'll use the nickel package as their base against the Colts since Indy is almost exclusively a 3 WR base? I think that would be dumb, you want to confuse the protection with the 3-4 mask, using that basic nickel against Indy is suicide. Any thoughts?

The cowboys are looking to use their penny defense where they stay in the base 3-4 but play only one saftey (Roy Williams) and bring in the nickel corner (Aaron Glenn).

I guess that means Roy will be used as a FS in this game? Thats risky. They have the CBs to do it, but I don't know if you wanna run 1 S against Peyton. I like the nickel 335 package, but I never seen Dallas run it yet. The penny is a hit or miss philosophy, it will be interesting to see if it works.

They've used this earlier in the season, I think it was against the Jaguars. It's not like they'll be using it the whole game either. Having 3 different nickel style defenses to throw at a team keeps you pretty flexible in what you can do.

The cowboys also ran it a lot against Arizona as a warm-up for this game.

[Dam8610]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

Is Sanders playing, or is it a gametime decision?

Sanders is a gametime decision, but the team doesn't think he will go.

[Staubach12]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

Is Sanders playing, or is it a gametime decision?

Sanders is a gametime decision, but the team doesn't think he will go.

That's big. Sanders is the best player on their defense.

[Paul]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

Is Sanders playing, or is it a gametime decision?

Sanders is a gametime decision, but the team doesn't think he will go.

That's big. Sanders is the best player on their defense.

Definitely, he's probably is there best playmaker and run-stopper from the outside. More good news for Marion and Julius.

[Staubach12]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

Is Sanders playing, or is it a gametime decision?

Sanders is a gametime decision, but the team doesn't think he will go.

That's big. Sanders is the best player on their defense.

Definitely, he's probably is there best playmaker and run-stopper from the outside. More good news for Marion and Julius.

Speaking of Marion and Julius, does anyone think we should start Barber over Jones? I'm more and more impressed every week with Barber.

[youngbuck]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

Is Sanders playing, or is it a gametime decision?

Sanders is a gametime decision, but the team doesn't think he will go.

That's big. Sanders is the best player on their defense.

Definitely, he's probably is there best playmaker and run-stopper from the outside. More good news for Marion and Julius.

Speaking of Marion and Julius, does anyone think we should start Barber over Jones? I'm more and more impressed every week with Barber.

No. It's not surprising that Barber has a better average when 70% of his runs come from draw plays on 3rd and long. Drew could get 5 ypc doing that all the time. He runs hard, but he also doesn't have to play against teams in the 1st/2nd quarter like Julius does. Marion is the guy that's going to get you a 1st down, Julius is the guy that's going to take it to the house.

[Ward]

No. It's not surprising that Barber has a better average when 70% of his runs come from draw plays on 3rd and long. Drew could get 5 ypc doing that all the time. He runs hard, but he also doesn't have to play against teams in the 1st/2nd quarter like Julius does. Marion is the guy that's going to get you a 1st down, Julius is the guy that's going to take it to the house.

While it's true that Jones is a home-run hitter, it's my belief that our offense doesn't need a home-run hitter at RB. None of BP's featured backs in the past have been home-run hitters, and Barber is more in the mold of those guys than anyone. I'm perfectly content to have a two-headed monster at this point rather than worrying about who the "starter" is. We have a great running game this year, and it's because both guys are contributing.

[Poet3334]

I agree. I'd much rather see a guy that can pound you into submission and wear you down. Marion attacks guys when he's in there. Then once they're softened up, let Jules blow right past them.

[dpl85]

Somebody was asking about this earlier, according to Todd Archer of the DMN Terence Newman hasn't given up a TD since the 2004 season. I'm not sure if that's 100% accurate but I'm inclined to believe it.

[dpl85]

My boy VY and the Titans are really helping our cause right now, 24 6. :D

Somebody was asking about this earlier, according to Todd Archer of the DMN Terence Newman hasn't given up a TD since the 2004 season. I'm not sure if that's 100% accurate but I'm inclined to believe it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that streak ended today.

[Jdallas]

Somebody was asking about this earlier, according to Todd Archer of the DMN Terence Newman hasn't given up a TD since the 2004 season. I'm not sure if that's 100% accurate but I'm inclined to believe it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that streak ended today.

You mean that 9 game win streak.

I would trade a TD against Newman for a win today without flinching.

[Jdallas]

I hope Flozell can play a little better the rest of the game or we won't have a chance.

[Jdallas]

The defense is playing with more passion than I've seen from this team all season.

Interesting to see that Sam Hurd is getting some playing time.

If our offense can do anything, it looks like the defense should keep us in the game.

[dpl85]

Bradie James and D Ware are beasts!

[Jdallas]

I don't disagree with Romo's decision on that interception, but the ball should have been closer to the sideline so it's either a TD or incomplete.

Carpenter is playing on defense.

[Ward]

I don't disagree with Romo's decision on that interception, but the ball should have been closer to the sideline so it's either a TD or incomplete.

Romo picked the wrong game to start making stupid decisions. We need his best game today.

[Jdallas]

That's why Newman isn't always back there to return punts. He doesn't look hurt, but that has to scare you. Should have been a fair catch.

[dpl85]

dang my heart just dropped below my knees, that's why Newman should never return punts. :shock:

[Jdallas]

dang my heart just dropped below my knees, that's why Newman should never return punts. :shock:

I think we should still use him until we get an electric returner some other way, but it's a good reason not to waste him on returns that don't really have a chance.

[dpl85]

I'm so glad we signed Vanderclank! :twisted:

[Ward]

I'm so glad we signed Vanderclank! :twisted:

Remember when we used to treat and pay kickers like crap, and they still kicked like this?

[Jdallas]

The defense lost it's swagger with that penalty.

Ware was held twice on that play easy with no call, Manning got touched on the arm and it's 15 yards?

Carpenter was line up in the slot with Newman out and a combination of him and Glenn resulted in that long run.

[Paul]

Talk about a defensive duke out so far. Nice goal line stance

[Jdallas]

Talk about a defensive duke out so far. Nice goal line stance
The Colts offense has to get frustrated soon.

We have an advantage because we're used to our offense being inconsistent.

[dpl85]

who says Roy cant cover :lol:

[Jdallas]

Flozell is getting frustrated out there. Sack for a fumble, false start, late push.

[Jdallas]

Ware is having a great game. Moving him around seems to work well.

[Jdallas]

Newman has had some pretty weird technique in the slot. He's a few yards off and seems to be defending the quick slant, I hope they don't go to the outside against him.

[Jdallas]

Perfect half of defense and then the mental error kills us. Story of the season for our team.

We're still in the game and you have to love the way our defense has played, but the offense needs to step it up and get some points on the board.

[dpl85]

Damn our D is playing at a near dominant level but our O just hasn't showed up at all.

[Jdallas]

I can take on of those missed FGs in a game, but not 2. Could be 7-6.

[dpl85]

I would never wish ill will on anyone but Vanderclank is really pushing me here!!! :evil: I wish we could cut him but he's making too much money to do that and who else is out there anyway right now.

[Paul]

I wonder if Billy Cundiff is busy. :?

[Jdallas]

Carpenter seemed to be able to hold up physcally against all the players. He looks like he just needs more playing time and a little technique refinement.

[Paul]

Goddanm I love our defense

[RCAChainGang]

dang it...(peyton picked for TD)

well at least newman has given up a TD :D

[Jdallas]

Goddanm I love our defense

We needed somebody to step up and as a result of having Flozell on our team it was going to be tough for our offense.

Looking back I wish we would have given McQuistan some snaps against a team like the Cardinals to see if he could get the job done. If not this year at least take a look to see if he could maybe be ready next year. I don't think I can handle another year of Adams at LT.

[Paul]

dang it...(peyton picked for TD)

well at least newman has given up a TD :D

I had a feeling it was gonna happen, we were talking about it to much this past week. We Jinxed him. And the hit on the punt return didn't help him either.

[Paul]

If we lose this game by 5pts or less, Vandy is gonna get a lynching.

[Jdallas]

Romo's second impulse play of the game. Hopefully that's it for him.

[Jdallas]

We need to get points on this drive to give our defense some rest and keep them playing hard.

I like the way Austin returns kicks. He doesn't look like he has a ton of moves, but he has good speed and doesn't leave easy yards out there.

[Jdallas]

Good efficient drive so far. Even if we only end up with a FG it's a success. We have finally shown that we can push there defense around. It seems like we took a while to adjust to the faster players.

[dpl85]

Touchdown baby MB3 is in da house!!! :D

[Paul]

GREAT drive. Touchdown and some time of rest for our D.

[RCAChainGang]

dang this is gonna be close...

[dpl85]

How bout this DEFENSE baby!!! :D

[Jdallas]

dang this is gonna be close...

Just think if Roy Williams quit hitting our corners.

[dpl85]

dang this is gonna be close...

Just think if Roy Williams quit hitting our corners.
Ain't that the truth :lol:

[dpl85]

TOUCHDOWN MB3 for mayor of Dallas!!! :D

EDIT: my bad if that's too political it's just an absurd statement to display my happiness and gratitude!!!

[Jdallas]

TOUCHDOWN MB3 for mayor of Dallas!!! :D

I wonder if D-Unit still wants a power back because our RBs can't get it done in short yardage?

[Paul]

Cmon a Field Goal would be great.

[Paul]

Hell Yes.

[dpl85]

Oh Baby say it with me DOOMSDAY!!!

Romo could win mayor and governor right now no doubt im playin of course.

Indy say hello to my lil friend... Terry Glenn for first down!!!

[FinChase]

Please, please just hold on to this one!!!

[smittyjs]

Nice job 8) :D

[Paul]

You guys think theres gonna be any hangover in the TB game?

[Number 10]

Great win fellas.

I knew you were going to win this one. Defense is starting to realize how good it can be and pending injuries, they will be one of the toughest to score on from here on out.

Not ready to label you the best in the division yet, but if the Giants play poorly tommorow night I'll have to heavily reconsider that.

[dpl85]

In the immortal words of Jimmy Johnson... "The only thing I got to say is HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!" :D

I guess the 72 Dolphins owe us a debt of gratitude!!! :lol:

EDIT: I would have normally been at the game but I let my uncle go in my place and I swear he must be good luck cause we've never lost a game when he went! :D

[leroyisgod]

Great game...we proved we can beat a good team. The defense was awesome today. Put enough pressure on Manning to make him make some mistakes. The CB's played really well. Wayne got some yards, but we kept him under control and Harrison only had one really good catch.

[Pokeys]

The best win for us in years! Hopefully we can keep on rolling here. 2 Wins in a row.

Congrats on the win guys. Dang Romo is good. You really played well today and deserved to win today. You showed me today that you're the best team in the NFC East. Again congratulations on the win, you should be very proud of how your team played. Good luck in the future.

[Jdallas]

You guys think theres gonna be any hangover in the TB game?

Normally there could be, but I don't see how you can overlook an opponent when you only have 3 days to prepare and it's a national game.

[Number 10]

You guys think theres gonna be any hangover in the TB game?

Normally there could be, but I don't see how you can overlook an opponent when you only have 3 days to prepare and it's a national game.

No way are the Cowboys going to lose that game.

[BX]

What a feeling.

[dpl85]

Kevin Burnett really came to play today! I think he would probably have to be the Defensive MVP of the game with that pick six, that was a HUGE play. I think Burnett earned himself a lot more playing time and possibly a starting role with that game.

[BX]

Burnett?

How about Ratliff? He was really getting pressure all game. What's the knock against him as far as being a DT is concerned? Too small?

[Jdallas]

Burnett?

How about Ratliff? He was really getting pressure all game. What's the knock against him as far as being a DT is concerned? Too small?

He's not really built to be a 3-4 DT and play more than a few plays. He has a great body type to be a 3-4 DE or nickel DT, however.

[dpl85]

Burnett?

How about Ratliff? He was really getting pressure all game. What's the knock against him as far as being a DT is concerned? Too small?
I agree Ratliff is really good, he was an absolute steal in the 7th round! I'm not sure if he's really big or strong enough to play NT but he is great as a nickel pass rusher.

[Jdallas]

Kevin Burnett really came to play today! I think he would probably have to be the Defensive MVP of the game with that pick six, that was a HUGE play. I think Burnett earned himself a lot more playing time and possibly a starting role with that game.

I don't think a starting role for him would be the best for our team. I like what we did today having 4 differen't guys play to two positions and mix everything up. Bill wanted to get the outside guys fresher and now he has a mix that can do that.

Now all we need is a backup DT who can also play in the nickel and we'll have a complete front 7 with role players for every spot.

[JJJ888]

Somebody was asking about this earlier, according to Todd Archer of the DMN Terence Newman hasn't given up a TD since the 2004 season. I'm not sure if that's 100% accurate but I'm inclined to believe it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that streak ended today.

You mean that 9 game win streak.

I would trade a TD against Newman for a win today without flinching.

Don't flinch now...

[Paul]

Burnett?

How about Ratliff? He was really getting pressure all game. What's the knock against him as far as being a DT is concerned? Too small?

He is a little small for NT, but prefect for the DE in the 3-4 scheme. But I do believe he is 2nd NT on the depth chart.

[Paul]

What you guys think of Carps play. I think he looked pretty good when he was in. He was definitely showing some real effort and hustle during the game.

[dpl85]

I actually think Flo did ok after that one terrible whif of Freeny's sack. I'm sure Flo got revenge with his run blocking which he obviously has a big advantage in that regard. I think the entire o-line played pretty well actually all things considered although Romo's mobility obviously helps.

[Paul]

I actually think Flo did ok after that one terrible whif of Freeny's sack. I'm sure Flo got revenge with his run blocking which he obviously has a big advantage in that regard. I think the entire o-line played pretty well actually all things considered although Romo's mobility obviously helps.

I agree, Colombo especially, looked very good.

[FinChase]

What you guys think of Carps play. I think he looked pretty good when he was in. He was definitely showing some real effort and hustle during the game.

Hard to say. At least he showed up a few times when he played today. I expect we'll see a lot more of him in the weeks to come. It was for times like this that I didn't criticize that draft pick too much. I didn't think we could go a whole season without a major injury to the LBs.

[dpl85]

What you guys think of Carps play. I think he looked pretty good when he was in. He was definitely showing some real effort and hustle during the game.
He seemed pretty active, I think he applied some pressure on the pass rush a little bit but I'm not sure he had a tackle. Having said that though I'm definitely not questioning or criticizing the pick anymore, although I don't think I was really overly critical of him or that the criticism wasn't deserved at that time.

[BX]

Did anyone see Romo give Peyton that tap on the helmet after the game, as if to say, "Too bad, but better luck next time, buddy!" ?

We've created a monster.

[Jdallas]

What you guys think of Carps play. I think he looked pretty good when he was in. He was definitely showing some real effort and hustle during the game.

He's not really consistent yet, but he physically outplayed the guy across from him. I think it will take about 4 games for him to start making a bigger impact.

[Jdallas]

Did anyone see Romo give Peyton that tap on the helmet after the game, as if to say, "Too bad, but better luck next time, buddy!" ?

We've created a monster.

That probably last 5 minutes until Parcells reminded him of his pick and the one that was dropped.

[dpl85]

I know this sounds kinda dumb but if you take away the INT and the near INT Romo played as close to perfect as you can. He made some really big time throws there at the end, the kind of throws you were expecting from Manning.

There's no doubt in my mind that Terence Newman and Anthony Henry deserve to go to the pro bowl, they're playing as close to perfect as CBs can.

[Jdallas]

I know this sounds kinda dumb but if you take away the INT and the near INT Romo played as close to perfect as you can. He made some really big time throws there at the end, the kind of throws you were expecting from Manning.

There's no doubt in my mind that Terence Newman and Anthony Henry deserve to go to the pro bowl, they're playing as close to perfect as CBs can.

It wasn't a flashy game, but if you QB only has 4 incompletions you're doing pretty good.

[dpl85]

Bradie James is definitely our defensive emotional leader and he's very vocal in his leadership role. I really think he also deserves a pro bowl berth although he probably won't get it as he's still kind of an unknown entity around the league. Bradie has really had a great season thus far.

[Jdallas]

Do you guys think Gurode and Colombo get signed to extension before the season is over or are allowed to test free agency?

I would love to lock them up for a few years.

[leroyisgod]

Did anyone see Romo give Peyton that tap on the helmet after the game, as if to say, "Too bad, but better luck next time, buddy!" ?

We've created a monster.

Ha, I noticed that too and kind of chuckled to myself.

[dpl85]

Do you guys think Gurode and Colombo get signed to extension before the season is over or are allowed to test free agency?

I would love to lock them up for a few years.

I would think we'd probably wait until after the season to do that just in case they get hurt or for some reason their play begins to deteriorate substantially. I do think locking those guys up would be a great idea.

[leroyisgod]

What you guys think of Carps play. I think he looked pretty good when he was in. He was definitely showing some real effort and hustle during the game.

He's shown glimpses of talent. It'll take him until next year to put it all together if he does.

[leroyisgod]

Do you guys think Gurode and Colombo get signed to extension before the season is over or are allowed to test free agency?

I would love to lock them up for a few years.

At the least, I think Gurode gets a new deal. He's provent to be a solid center and I think we can sign him at a modest rate.

[Paul]

Do you guys think Gurode and Colombo get signed to extension before the season is over or are allowed to test free agency?

I would love to lock them up for a few years.

I would think we'd probably wait until after the season to do that just in case they get hurt or for some reason their play begins to deteriorate substantially. I do think locking those guys up would be a great idea.

I agree, lets see how the rest of the season goes. But Gurode has shown that he can be a solid center for us, for years to come. Colombo has played very well lately, let just see how it turn out.

Another important question would be, will Rivera and Flozell be here next year?

[Poet3334]

Do you guys think Gurode and Colombo get signed to extension before the season is over or are allowed to test free agency?

I would love to lock them up for a few years.

I would think we'd probably wait until after the season to do that just in case they get hurt or for some reason their play begins to deteriorate substantially. I do think locking those guys up would be a great idea.

I agree, lets see how the rest of the season goes. But Gurode has shown that he can be a solid center for us, for years to come. Colombo has played very well lately, let just see how it turn out.

Another important question would be, will Rivera and Flozell be here next year?

I think one of them will, not both.

[Staubach12]

Do you guys think Gurode and Colombo get signed to extension before the season is over or are allowed to test free agency?

I would love to lock them up for a few years.

I would think we'd probably wait until after the season to do that just in case they get hurt or for some reason their play begins to deteriorate substantially. I do think locking those guys up would be a great idea.

I agree, lets see how the rest of the season goes. But Gurode has shown that he can be a solid center for us, for years to come. Colombo has played very well lately, let just see how it turn out.

Another important question would be, will Rivera and Flozell be here next year?

The more Rivera plays, the more I want a Guard in the draft.

[dpl85]

I'm gonna throw something out there and yall will probably think I'm crazy but should we draft Mason Crosby in the first 3 rounds? It sounds crazy but I really think kicker is our biggest need.

[Paul]

I'm gonna throw something out there and yall will probably think I'm crazy but should we draft Mason Crosby in the first 3 rounds? It sounds crazy but I really think kicker is our biggest need.

I LOVE IT. I been thinking the same thing. Vandy makes me nervous even on XP, so to get a kicking prospect like Crosby I'm totally down with.

[Jdallas]

I'm gonna throw something out there and yall will probably think I'm crazy but should we draft Mason Crosby in the first 3 rounds? It sounds crazy but I really think kicker is our biggest need.

I don't like making a big commitment to a kicker if there are any question marks at all. We couldn't cut Vanderjagt this preseason because he had a signing bonus. You can't cut a rookie kicker you spent a draft pick on because then you wasted it.

[D-Unit]

* STEPS IN THE ROOM, AND HI FIVES EVERYONE! *

Wassssuuuup Fellahs! This is the one we've been waiting for! The BIG GAME. The game that legitimizes us! Anyone with doubts on us before, needs to wake up and start giving us credit for being a real contender!

I'm stoked!!!

[Staubach12]

I guess I was wrong. This season isn't gone. We have a chance. I'm ready for us to go on a run.

[dpl85]

* STEPS IN THE ROOM, AND HI FIVES EVERYONE! *

Wassssuuuup Fellahs! This is the one we've been waiting for! The BIG GAME. The game that legitimizes us! Anyone with doubts on us before, needs to wake up and start giving us credit for being a real contender!

I'm stoked!!!
What's up D, high fives all around! Hey I'm just curious what time is it in Hawaii right now?

[RCAChainGang]

Good game...cowboys go on list of hated teams.

-Patriots
-Steelers
-Chargers
--cowboys

:lol: jk im ok with cowboys

[indyfan1985]

Hey guys good game against us today. I wish our star on defense Sanders was playing which could have made the game a totally different outcome but oh well. Congrats on the win though.

[indyfan1985]

Haha those are the exact same teams I hate as well RCA chang gang. In that same order too. GO COLTS!!!

[RCAChainGang]

Haha those are the exact same teams I hate as well RCA chang gang. In that same order too. GO COLTS!!!

Right on!

[CTCowboysFan]

Ware got great pressure. Ratliff is really becoming a player. I didn't even notice Ellis was missing, Carp/Burnett/Singleton all did fine. After Freeney forced the fumble on Romo I didn't hear much from him the rest of the game. TO was quiet as in not cocking off or anything. JJ and Barber didn't do spectacular but got the job done especially in the second half. It wasn't the best game from Romo but still completed like 19 out of 23 passes. I can't say enough about how the defense stepped it up. Manning couldn't do jack shat. Great job, I am so happy.........I feel like we can beat anybody left on the schedule though @Atlanta/NY Giants will both be tough...if we can win out at home though we will for sure be in, and who knows what happens on the road.

[dpl85]

That game had a beautiful story and psychology. It was the classic overwhelming underdog fighting from behind and actually winning at the very end not unlike Rocky. :lol: That game had all of the elements of great storytelling. That in a nutshell is why I love football and think it's the best sport ever. You can't really get that in any other sport to the same degree because of the parity in the NFL.

[Paul]

That game had a beautiful story and psychology. It was the classic overwhelming underdog fighting from behind and actually winning at the very end not unlike Rocky. :lol: That game had all of the elements of great storytelling. That in a nutshell is why I love football and think it's the best sport ever. You can't really get that in any other sport to the same degree because of the parity in the NFL.

Yeah the game did have a playoff feel to it. You could feel it in watching at home, and seeing the people at the stadium,i f we could beat the Colts, we could beat anybody. We have the talent, we just needed the execution. This game is right there with the Eagles games last year, as one of the funnest games to watch.

[D-Unit]

Looks like the division is down to us and Giants. Philly losing McNabb was HUGE. Hate to say, I'm happy about it, but I am. :lol:

[sweetness34]

Looks like the division is down to us and Giants. Philly losing McNabb was HUGE. Hate to say, I'm happy about it, but I am. :lol:

You're a sick bastard D, sick. How could you say such things? I tell you some Cowboy fans have such nerve. :wink:

I really don't know who to pick to win this division. The Giants look awesome one week and then tank the next. The Cowboys look real good one week and then play really bad the next. But since I'm posting here I'll pick the.....Giants!:P

[DMWSackMachine]

I disagree with the statement that a basic nickle package against the colts would be suicide. They play in a basic offense and the bills used a basic nickle package through most of the game if i remember correctly and that worked wonders. People should take into consideration that the bills start 2 rookie safeties as well. The only problem wiwth the bills was that they didnt have an offense. If we could mirror their defense and keep our offense rolling like it has, we should have a good shot.

The Bills used a basic 4-3 Tampa 2 look the entire game. They played the pass heavily and hoped for the Colts to make mistakes, which rarely happens, but did twice in the form of fumbles (one of which was run back for a TD) against the Bills. So, to a point, I agree with the notion that if the Cowboys do what the Bills did, they'll have a good shot, but good luck trying to get another 2 turnovers out of a team that's turned the ball over all of 8 times in 9 games this season.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not to rub it in, but I thought this was pretty funny.

[thule]

I agree...great win.

I'll play parcells here I guess.

Flo is even worse than we thought. The lose of LA has really affected him...and if we can get anything for him...even a 2nd day pick lets do it.

Rivera is past his prime his only role on this team is leadership...pointing out blitzes has even moved over to gurode now. He is nothing but a tutor at best.

1 step drops to be effective is not something I feel ready to live by....something needs to be done about our protection. Not only our protection but our run blocking. Sure we are effective when pulling....but our push off the line is terrible...I bet I could count on one hand the number of times we got a 2-3 yard push forward on the much undersized colts DL. This is not what brings teams to championships.

On the defensive side of the ball...Carp showed good fill in skills...but it is clear he needs more playing time to excel. He gave up containment twice because of his late sheds....he could have kept 2-3 nine yard gains to minimal gains had he shed his block earlier. He can't allow backs to get the corner against our d....we have been exposed when teams can get the edge on us. Keep them where the beef is.

Roy is a game changer...his presence on the field helps alot...but it is his reason for our weak red zone passing offense. He cannot man up on an athletic player and be expected to make a play. I would love to see Watkins man up in the redzone...but obviously he isn't ready for that.

Davis is just as slow as everyone has thought. He cannot play the deep center in our defense and is a liability when doing so....had he been in position on Waynes touchdown it would have had a chance to have been prevented.

Watkins looks like a robot out there....he doesn't seem to react...he plays very hesitant....once he start rolling with the game I think we may have our center fielder...but he clearly doesn't have what it takes at this point to be an every down FS.

Vandy...what to say...he doesn't seem to be following through like he once did...which is leading to his kicked to be pushed far. IDK if this is from his kickoff's that hes been practicing....but something in his delivery has been changed...and its not looking good. This worries me...give me Josh Brown for a 3rd round pick. We all know about the rookie kicker wooo's....I don't wanna deal with that.


On another note....
Loved the defensive energy....talk about emotion on the field.
Romo....that kid has some swagger and I love it.
TO gives us the chance to bring a trophy to big d

[DMWSackMachine]

Wow, where to begin.

- I'm gonna be the first to say it......Ellis getting hurt is going to end up being a good thing for this team. I think one of reasons for us getting so much pressure on Manning this game was the way that we where forced to move our guys around so much. One play we would have Ware at LOLB, Burnett on the weakside. The next play, we would have DMW on the weakside and Carpenter on the strong side. The next, we would have DMW lining up as the LE with Hatcher at the RE, then we would have Ware at RE and Carp at LE, or Singleton on the SS and Burnett on the weakside. Head spinning yet? I thought it was huge in preventing Indy from targeting DeMarcus and throwing the "German Army" at him. Also, Carpenter was extremely impressive every time I saw him. He and Ayodele blew up the 2nd down run play right before Roy's pick. He also caught their RB (Addai, I think) from behind when they broke that long one up the right sideline. Very encouraging.

- Another note on our pass rush: with the pressure that we were generating today, we would have had between 4 and 8 sacks against a normal QB. Manning is so smart and has such a lightning fast release that there were at least 7 times I counted that he looked to be on his way down when he suddenly whipped the ball out in a blink of an eye. Just incredible. Now I really see why he is so often among the 2 or 3 least sacked QBs in the league.

- As to Newman's "TD-free streak", I'm not so sure its over, technically. He lined up on Wayne, but it seemed like there was a breakdown in communication between him and Henry. We were in man, and they ran a cross. It seemed like Newman was under the impression that they were using the switch technique on that play, and Henry thought he was supposed to stick. I'm interested to see which one was the wrong one.

- Romo is a great decision maker. He had a couple bad ones, and according to Parcells he was supposed to go to TO on the other side when he threw the pick. BP said that TO was open for a TD, but I haven't seen the all-22 angle to see whether that is true or not. Still, you know when a guy is completing in the high-60s on a week-in and week-out basis that he is going to the right place at a remarkably high rate, and not only that, but then has the accuracy to get the ball on his target. This week: 83% .......... :shock:

I'll have some more thoughts tomorrow, but those are the main things on my mind.



Oh, btw, I just wanted to give a huge :shock: to Burnett on that pick six. I swear he looked like a DB getting up and running with that ball. He was so damn fast and agile it was a shock to my system watching it. I'm starting to wonder if he could end up being a real player, and not JAG. But for today, I gotta give him some major props.

[Burns336]

Anthony Henry changed my mind about him and proved me wrong... and i couldnt be happier. great game.

[Modano]

I think that Bradie James is very underratd. Yes h's slow but he's a badass and a big player. He was a monster yesterday.
And what about Hatcher? He made some plays against Tarik Glenn, he almost get a sack pushing Glenn all the way back to Manning..

[Philliez01]

I hate admitting this but I think I should do this.

Congrats, guys. Good game well played, the better team today definitely won and deservedly so.

[bigbluedefense]

I was very curious as to what strategy BP would imploy, and it looks like he did the same style he did with the 9ers when he was coaching my giants. From what I noticed, he did a lot of zone. When he did man coverage, it held up very well. But his LBs were almost exclusively in a zone coverage every play. I wasn't sure if that would work against Manning, but it did. Some notes.

- That 4th and 2...Ware was the reason it wasn't completed. He took Manning's first 2 reads out at the same time in his coverage. Manning panicked after that, and threw it away hoping for a flag. Great play by Ware.

- That INT for a TD was down by contact, Im surprised none of you have admitted that yet. :wink:

- As well as the defense played, and as well as Romo played, the offense as a whole was not executing well. 14 points against that Colts D wasn't enough 9 out of 10 times. Dallas almost gave it away by not being effective in the 1st half offensively. They picked it up in the 2nd half, but they also left alot of points on the board.

- Outside that one whiff, Flo didn't do too bad. The oline as a whole has played significantly better since Romo came in. Coincidence? We all know Bledsoe makes his lines look much worst than they are. Now we can all finally agree on it without debate.

- Ware had a great game. He had a couple of near sacks along with that great sack. I would like to point this out though. I don't want to hear any hypocritical comments on Merriman and how "half his sacks are unblocked, or a RB blocks him" because it goes both ways. Ware's sack he came unblocked, and another time he had a clear shot at Manning, but Addai pwned him on the block. He had his chance against a RB that play, and got pwned, so let's not knock Merriman for every sack he gets, then give Ware a pass. Ware is a great player, but I still honestly think Merriman is just a better pass rusher. We should also note that his first sack against Washington at home was against a RB, but we ignore it and only crticize Merriman when it happens to him. It goes both ways. Let's not be hypocritical in this regards anymore. Im not saying this to undermine Ware's performance, Im just pointing out a hypocritical standpoint when we evaluate the 2.

- Having that said, they finally move Ware around, and the results speak for themselves. Im curious to see if he can keep it up for the rest of the year.

- I didn't see enough of Carp. He's still learning and not ready to be fulltime yet. But he shows flashes of brilliance, and he'll be a good player for you guys in the following years.

- BP is gonna make Fasano run until he vomits on Monday....

This division is between us and you. Its gonna take a collapse from us, and a big hot streak from you to win the division. You guys have a poor division record, and even with our current injuries, we should easily beat Philly and Skins to go at worst 5-1 in the division. With that, it would be near impossible for you guys to win the division over us. But the wild card is a very strong possibilty. The NFC is such a crapshoot right now, I wouldn't be suprised if an 8-8 team gets in. Dallas should be a wildcard. Unless we collapse, I don't think you win the division though.

[leroyisgod]

- That INT for a TD was down by contact, Im surprised none of you have admitted that yet. :wink:


sometimes you have to take those cheap points

[leroyisgod]

Anyone else worried about our kicking game? It seems like all of Vanderjerk's kicks are going right. Even his EP's go that direction. And everytime he kicks off, it never goes deeper than the 5-7 yd line.

[Jdallas]

Anyone else worried about our kicking game? It seems like all of Vanderjerk's kicks are going right. Even his EP's go that direction. And everytime he kicks off, it never goes deeper than the 5-7 yd line.

The 5-7 is pretty good. If you watch other games there are lots of kickers who consistently just get it to the 10. Don't worry about XPs, those are so close the it can be right through the middle when it goes through and way off to the side when it hits the net. The misses worry you, but it hasn't been horrible. He's somewhere around 70% I think.

[dpl85]

BBD, I respect your opinion but the bottom line is Merriman is on steroids and Ware is not. Merriman can make all the excuses he wants but the bottom line is he tested positive and was suspended for 4 games. And besides even though Merriman is probably a better pass rusher Ware is a more complete player in terms of pass coverage. I probably wouldn't have said this last year but I wouldn't go back in time and change that pick at all, I'm very happy with D-Ware.

[bearsfan_51]

BBD, I respect your opinion but the bottom line is Merriman is on steroids and Ware is not. Merriman can make all the excuses he wants but the bottom line is he tested positive and was suspended for 4 games. And besides even though Merriman is probably a better pass rusher Ware is a more complete player in terms of pass coverage. I probably wouldn't have said this last year but I wouldn't go back in time and change that pick at all, I'm very happy with D-Ware.
No. The bottom line is that Merriman got caught using steroids and Ware didn't. You have absolutely no idea who doesn't use steroids. You think there aren't countless NFL players out there on steroids that haven't gotten caught? Of course there are. There are punters on steroids.

[bigbluedefense]

BBD, I respect your opinion but the bottom line is Merriman is on steroids and Ware is not. Merriman can make all the excuses he wants but the bottom line is he tested positive and was suspended for 4 games. And besides even though Merriman is probably a better pass rusher Ware is a more complete player in terms of pass coverage. I probably wouldn't have said this last year but I wouldn't go back in time and change that pick at all, I'm very happy with D-Ware.

Ware is a great player and I did not intend to undermine his performance with what I said, I just wanted to point out a hypocrisy when comparing him to Merriman, thats all.

We always hear, "oh merriman only got that sack because he came unblocked or he had a RB blocking him" but when Ware is in the same situation, we don't criticize him for it. That was my point. Let's not be hypocritical when comparing the 2 in terms of pass rushing. Ive defended Ware numerous times, I know he's a great player. Im just saying, when it comes to pass rushing, let's not make any excuses anymore.

And anyway, if Ware can pick it up and play the rest of the season the way he did today, then its a moot point. Its clear that he benefited from finally being moved around, and he played extremely well because of it. Im curious to see how he does the rest of the season, or if this was a one game aberation.

[dpl85]

BBD, I respect your opinion but the bottom line is Merriman is on steroids and Ware is not. Merriman can make all the excuses he wants but the bottom line is he tested positive and was suspended for 4 games. And besides even though Merriman is probably a better pass rusher Ware is a more complete player in terms of pass coverage. I probably wouldn't have said this last year but I wouldn't go back in time and change that pick at all, I'm very happy with D-Ware.
No. The bottom line is that Merriman got caught using steroids and Ware didn't. You have absolutely no idea who doesn't use steroids. You think there aren't countless NFL players out there on steroids that haven't gotten caught? Of course there are. There are punters on steroids.
I'm pretty sure the NFL's testing policy is such that if Ware or any other player for that matter were using and especially using consistently they would be caught. If the NFL weren't afraid to bust a high profile player like Merriman why wouldn't they bust any other players caught? I trust the NFL's testing policy. I'm sure there are exceptions to everything but by and large I think if anybody uses in the NFL they will get caught sooner or later.

[bigbluedefense]

BBD, I respect your opinion but the bottom line is Merriman is on steroids and Ware is not. Merriman can make all the excuses he wants but the bottom line is he tested positive and was suspended for 4 games. And besides even though Merriman is probably a better pass rusher Ware is a more complete player in terms of pass coverage. I probably wouldn't have said this last year but I wouldn't go back in time and change that pick at all, I'm very happy with D-Ware.
No. The bottom line is that Merriman got caught using steroids and Ware didn't. You have absolutely no idea who doesn't use steroids. You think there aren't countless NFL players out there on steroids that haven't gotten caught? Of course there are. There are punters on steroids.
I'm pretty sure the NFL's testing policy is such that if Ware or any other player for that matter were using and especially using consistently they would be caught. If the NFL weren't afraid to bust a high profile player like Merriman why wouldn't they bust any other players caught? I trust the NFL's testing policy. I'm sure there are exceptions to everything but by and large I think if anybody uses in the NFL they will get caught sooner or later.

Remember though, even after Merriman got caught, he got 3 sacks against St. Louis. You get caught well before it becomes public, so the roids were out of his system by then. And he still slapped the offense around.

[Jdallas]

BBD, I respect your opinion but the bottom line is Merriman is on steroids and Ware is not. Merriman can make all the excuses he wants but the bottom line is he tested positive and was suspended for 4 games. And besides even though Merriman is probably a better pass rusher Ware is a more complete player in terms of pass coverage. I probably wouldn't have said this last year but I wouldn't go back in time and change that pick at all, I'm very happy with D-Ware.
No. The bottom line is that Merriman got caught using steroids and Ware didn't. You have absolutely no idea who doesn't use steroids. You think there aren't countless NFL players out there on steroids that haven't gotten caught? Of course there are. There are punters on steroids.
I'm pretty sure the NFL's testing policy is such that if Ware or any other player for that matter were using and especially using consistently they would be caught. If the NFL weren't afraid to bust a high profile player like Merriman why wouldn't they bust any other players caught? I trust the NFL's testing policy. I'm sure there are exceptions to everything but by and large I think if anybody uses in the NFL they will get caught sooner or later.

Remember though, even after Merriman got caught, he got 3 sacks against St. Louis. You get caught well before it becomes public, so the roids were out of his system by then. And he still slapped the offense around.

When you stop taking steroids you don't all of the sudden lose all of your strenght and speed. Allyou have to do is keep eating enough and you can support the muscle. It only makes it harder to keep getting bigger.

[D-Unit]

Both players are excellent. I'm pretty sure it's just a relief for many Cowboys fans that Ware isn't a bust. Not everyone was on board with the pick, but I'm pretty sure everyone is happy we resolved that need.

Ratliff showed me some things yesterday that made me happy we spent a 7th round pick on him.

[DMWSackMachine]

I was very curious as to what strategy BP would imploy, and it looks like he did the same style he did with the 9ers when he was coaching my giants. From what I noticed, he did a lot of zone. When he did man coverage, it held up very well. But his LBs were almost exclusively in a zone coverage every play. I wasn't sure if that would work against Manning, but it did. Some notes.

- That 4th and 2...Ware was the reason it wasn't completed. He took Manning's first 2 reads out at the same time in his coverage. Manning panicked after that, and threw it away hoping for a flag. Great play by Ware.

I think he mixed it up more than anything. We did play some man with our ILBs, but, yes, they were in zone more often than not. Still, part of that was some Cover 1 with a safety in man and a ILB playing zone in the middle.

As far as Ware's coverage....... :shock: I'm beginning to think that he is the best coverage 3-4 OLB in the league. That 4th down play was something that media outlets and the vast majority of fans will never notice or comment on, but it was as dynamic a play as a sack-fumble or blowing up a ball carrier can ever be. I just can't express in words how bad a$$ that was. First he gets an excellent jam on Clark, throws the timing and spacing on his route off, and then he not only passes his man off to Henry, but takes Wayne from Henry (just a textbook exchange by the two) and completely demolishes him, taking him out of the play. You couldn't be more right, BBD, DeMarcus made that play. These are the things that the Merriman homers don't see.

- That INT for a TD was down by contact, Im surprised none of you have admitted that yet. :wink:

Here's where I think you were wrong. The rule states that a ball carrier must be down by contact. The contact with Harrison was marginal, in the first place, and had nothing to do with him going down. However, the more important issue was whether or not Burnett had established possession of the ball when the contact occurred. It was pretty apparent that he didn't have it under control at the time. If he didn't, then the down by contact would not apply. I think there is a 92.6% chance that the play is upheld if challenged. But, yes, there was definitely a little contact there with Marvin.

- As well as the defense played, and as well as Romo played, the offense as a whole was not executing well. 14 points against that Colts D wasn't enough 9 out of 10 times. Dallas almost gave it away by not being effective in the 1st half offensively. They picked it up in the 2nd half, but they also left alot of points on the board.

Don't be mistaken. Romo played very poorly in the first half. Parcells said that the play on which he was picked off should have been thrown to the other side where, apparently, Owens was wide-open for a TD.

If you'll go back and look, it was simply a tale of two halves. The first half was a bit of an aberration, with all the TOs and the missed FGs, etc. But the second half was exactly the up and down the field game that most expected going in. We owned that team in the second half - at least as much as is possible against such a high quality opponent.

While it's true that we could have gotten ourselves in too deep with that first half performance on O, it's still a team game. Our D played great, and our size advantage really started to show up in the second half, just like you would have expected.

- Outside that one whiff, Flo didn't do too bad. The oline as a whole has played significantly better since Romo came in. Coincidence? We all know Bledsoe makes his lines look much worst than they are. Now we can all finally agree on it without debate.

This is a sore spot for me. We have a lot of posters on this board who are such fanboy freakouts when it comes to evaluating our O-Line, especially in pass pro. Flozell played one of his best games of the season. And our line as a whole played very well in the passing game. People think just because a team is smaller, than you can just mow them over in the run game, it doesn't work like that. With the quickness advantage they have, their D-lineman can shoot gaps at an incredible rate and blow a play up before it has time to develop. It's not like they just stand there and wait to get pushed backwards.

Agreed on the Bledsoe thing. He does make the O-line look bad, but Romo makes them look better than they are. I would say that they are somewhere in the 13-16 range in the NFL. They have allowed 3 sacks in Romo's 4 starts. Projected over an entire season, that would be the 2nd best rate in the league. How 'bout them apples?


- Ware had a great game. He had a couple of near sacks along with that great sack. I would like to point this out though. I don't want to hear any hypocritical comments on Merriman and how "half his sacks are unblocked, or a RB blocks him" because it goes both ways. Ware's sack he came unblocked, and another time he had a clear shot at Manning, but Addai pwned him on the block. He had his chance against a RB that play, and got pwned, so let's not knock Merriman for every sack he gets, then give Ware a pass. Ware is a great player, but I still honestly think Merriman is just a better pass rusher. We should also note that his first sack against Washington at home was against a RB, but we ignore it and only crticize Merriman when it happens to him. It goes both ways. Let's not be hypocritical in this regards anymore. Im not saying this to undermine Ware's performance, Im just pointing out a hypocritical standpoint when we evaluate the 2.

I'm sure you're talking to me on this one. And to be honest, I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I have to admit that I am fully aware of the conflicting nature of using that line of reasoning on one side and not the other. Yeah, Ware's sack against Washington did come against Duckett. And yes he did get a free shot on Manning this game. However, let's not get carried away here. That is only the second sack he's gotten on the year against a RB/TE or unblocked. Merriman had two against Oakland, two against St. Louis, and another against (iirc) San Fran.

Still, at some point the numbers just begin to speak for themselves. Merriman has managed 8 1/2 sacks in 8 games. Right now he is just plain better rushing the passer than Ware. DeMarcus has really disappointed me with the use of his hands and his lack of counter-moves this year. He just doesn't bring that much of a repertoire to the table. Merriman isn't exactly Reggie White in that area, but he does a much better job than DeMarcus.

HOWEVER, I still think DeMarcus is the better player. He is faster than Shawne, light-years better in coverage, and is more disciplined against the run. Rarely do you ever see him get too far upfield on a run play and lose the edge. I would take him 99x out of a 100 over Shawne. I think DeMarcus was the MVP of that game. And with all the defensive playmakers out there, that is saying a lot.

Oh, btw, if you look at the play where Addai "pwned" (do you play WOW?) him, you'll see him set his feet and drive through Addai, as he was expecting a run. Only he didn't follow through because he realized halfway into it that Addai didn't have the ball, but it was too late to get the QB after that. Still, it was a great play by Addai and you have to give him credit. There is a reason that the Colts have been gushing over his pass protection. You saw it right there.

- Having that said, they finally move Ware around, and the results speak for themselves. Im curious to see if he can keep it up for the rest of the year.

I couldn't agree more. For my in-depth thoughts on this topic, go back to the previous page. I wrote at length about it. Hopefully this will force BP to be more creative with DeMarcus to keep him away from double teams, along with confusing the QB. I'm extremely excited to see how this develops moving forward.

- I didn't see enough of Carp. He's still learning and not ready to be fulltime yet. But he shows flashes of brilliance, and he'll be a good player for you guys in the following years.

I know you've always like Carpenter, and I really liked what I saw. A little more work, and he might get Parcells to the point where he just can't keep him off the field.

- BP is gonna make Fasano run until he vomits on Monday....

I'm a little confused on this one. Did you see him mess up something I didn't? Fasano made one of the biggest catches of the game on that final drive.

This division is between us and you. Its gonna take a collapse from us, and a big hot streak from you to win the division. You guys have a poor division record, and even with our current injuries, we should easily beat Philly and Skins to go at worst 5-1 in the division. With that, it would be near impossible for you guys to win the division over us. But the wild card is a very strong possibilty. The NFC is such a crapshoot right now, I wouldn't be suprised if an 8-8 team gets in. Dallas should be a wildcard. Unless we collapse, I don't think you win the division though.

I don't know, dude. With your injuries and lackluster QB play, things are looking scary right now. Your whole defense is based upon pressure from the front four. With Strahan out, Umenyiora out/hurting, Tuck out for the year and DTs masquerading as DEs, things could get ugly the next couple of weeks. If Mike isn't back by the Cowboy/Giant game, I really, really like our chances. Not only that, but missing your LT is probably the second worst thing that could happen to you aside from losing Eli. It will all come down to the game between us and you. I say whoever wins that game definitely wins the division.

Remember, you guys have looked very spotty in beating the Bucs and Texans narrowly (at home, no less), and then got just dismantled by the Bears in the second half. Again, at home. Things aren't looking too good right now, but we've all seen how quickly stuff can turn around. It will be great to watch, though. I'm as pumped as I've been since the preseason.

[thule]

I'm curious to see everyones draft board this far into the season

First Round Top 5

1- Jake Long....give me this guy..another smart talented white lineman for parcells to love. He has been pretty consistant and thats something that parcells loves in a player...not to mention he's tough and fundementally sound. I just wonder if he leaves early...i'm thinkin its about 40-60 he comes out.

2- Justin Blalock...if long is off the board...which seems to be likely granted a playoff berth...he would sure do alot to solidify our line. Whether it be inside or outside he could give us some dependability and someone to f'ing run behind in 3rd and short. Him and Gurode teamed up in the middle is alot of beef.

3- Ted Ginn perfect replacement for TG not to mention he could improve our return game. He may have the dropsies but he is a playmaker in every sense of the word.

4- Sam Baker...we need a replacement for flo sooner rather then later...he could also play rt or lt...something parcells has to love.

5- Reggie Nelson....he has been under my radar for the past couple of weeks...if the rumors are true about him leaving..it could put us in perfect position to pick him up late in the first round...I really love him as our FS. But wouldn't be satisfied with the pick unless the 4 above him were gone.



Second Round Top 2

1- Tank Tyler...stud is about all I can say about this guy. He has been a force all year...and personally I'd love to see him here...however he won't be there late in round 2...probabally require some moving...which isn't out of the question being that NT isn't deep in this draft.

2- Tom Zbitkowski....I've pretty much exhausted why i'd love this pick...but I really think what he could add on special teams plus his upgrade over Davis makes him a solid 2nd round select. This pick could be very similar to Fasano last year....gritty parcells type player from ND with the weis connection.

Third Round
Get f'ing Josh Brown from seattle kthx

[D-Unit]

I'm curious to see everyones draft board this far into the season

First Round Top 5

1- Jake Long....give me this guy..another smart talented white lineman for parcells to love. He has been pretty consistant and thats something that parcells loves in a player...not to mention he's tough and fundementally sound. I just wonder if he leaves early...i'm thinkin its about 40-60 he comes out.

2- Justin Blalock...if long is off the board...which seems to be likely granted a playoff berth...he would sure do alot to solidify our line. Whether it be inside or outside he could give us some dependability and someone to f'ing run behind in 3rd and short. Him and Gurode teamed up in the middle is alot of beef.

3- Ted Ginn perfect replacement for TG not to mention he could improve our return game. He may have the dropsies but he is a playmaker in every sense of the word.

4- Sam Baker...we need a replacement for flo sooner rather then later...he could also play rt or lt...something parcells has to love.

5- Reggie Nelson....he has been under my radar for the past couple of weeks...if the rumors are true about him leaving..it could put us in perfect position to pick him up late in the first round...I really love him as our FS. But wouldn't be satisfied with the pick unless the 4 above him were gone.



Second Round Top 2

1- Tank Tyler...stud is about all I can say about this guy. He has been a force all year...and personally I'd love to see him here...however he won't be there late in round 2...probabally require some moving...which isn't out of the question being that NT isn't deep in this draft.

2- Tom Zbitkowski....I've pretty much exhausted why i'd love this pick...but I really think what he could add on special teams plus his upgrade over Davis makes him a solid 2nd round select. This pick could be very similar to Fasano last year....gritty parcells type player from ND with the weis connection.

Third Round
Get f'ing Josh Brown from seattle kthx
Me and you thinking the exact same thing.

[thule]

Interesting D....the real question is right now would you take Tank after pick 25?

[Jdallas]

- Outside that one whiff, Flo didn't do too bad. The oline as a whole has played significantly better since Romo came in. Coincidence? We all know Bledsoe makes his lines look much worst than they are. Now we can all finally agree on it without debate.

This is a sore spot for me. We have a lot of posters on this board who are such fanboy freakouts when it comes to evaluating our O-Line, especially in pass pro. Flozell played one of his best games of the season. And our line as a whole played very well in the passing game. People think just because a team is smaller, than you can just mow them over in the run game, it doesn't work like that. With the quickness advantage they have, their D-lineman can shoot gaps at an incredible rate and blow a play up before it has time to develop. It's not like they just stand there and wait to get pushed backwards.


I think you're wrong a Flozell didn't play well most of the game. The whole first half he was a big part of the reason we couldn't get anything going on offense.

After the first couple of series he got used to the speed rush and getting Freeney to go all the way around him, but he still got beat on the spin move through the entire game.

Last year everyone thought that Flozell and LA were making too many mistakes for us to be successful and I guess hope got the best of me and I thought Flozell would be a better player this year. I hope that we're not dependent on Flozell next year. He has the potential to be a great player, but he makes a few mistakes each game that can kill your team.

I'm not really as down on Rivera as everyone else. He's not playing like a Pro Bowl level we thought he would when we signed him, but I think he's been a solid starter.


For a team without a lot of needs going into the offseason I think we should address the offensive line and bring in some youth and potential. When in doubt just solidify the offensive and defensive front and you won't go wrong.

[Jdallas]

Tyler isn't the type of player I want for our defense. I want someone who can rush the passer in the nickel and bring high energy as a NT for a series or two a game. Ferguson is dominating right now and I think he'll play for a few more years.

That being said I couldn't really get mad at the pick because you're adding another player at a critical position for the future.

[leroyisgod]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.

[thule]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.

Both of them could play both sides....but do you lower carp back to nickel situations and keep him inside again?

[D-Unit]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.
I think that we have enough young talent at OLB that bringing in an expensive player like Porter would be a waste of resources, not to mention the fact that it would stump the growth of our young guys. Let's not forget we just spent a first round pick on Carpenter and second round pick on Burnett. Both of them are potentially major playmakers in the making. He'll end up playing OLB for the majority of his career. So yeah, I'm not for bringing in Porter.

[Jdallas]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.

If we don't resign Singleton this offseason I could see us drafting someone in the 3rd or 4th round based on potential.

I don't see us throwing a lot of money at Porter. This team seems to want to draft defensive talent and sign players on offense.

[thule]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.

If we don't resign Singleton this offseason I could see us drafting someone in the 3rd or 4th round based on potential.

I don't see us throwing a lot of money at Porter. This team seems to want to draft defensive talent and sign players on offense.

Another key thing to mention is cap management....2 first round picks...and a second round pick plus a big time FA...at the OLB position doesn't make sense.

[bigbluedefense]

I think he mixed it up more than anything. We did play some man with our ILBs, but, yes, they were in zone more often than not. Still, part of that was some Cover 1 with a safety in man and a ILB playing zone in the middle.

As far as Ware's coverage....... :shock: I'm beginning to think that he is the best coverage 3-4 OLB in the league. That 4th down play was something that media outlets and the vast majority of fans will never notice or comment on, but it was as dynamic a play as a sack-fumble or blowing up a ball carrier can ever be. I just can't express in words how bad a$$ that was. First he gets an excellent jam on Clark, throws the timing and spacing on his route off, and then he not only passes his man off to Henry, but takes Wayne from Henry (just a textbook exchange by the two) and completely demolishes him, taking him out of the play. You couldn't be more right, BBD, DeMarcus made that play. These are the things that the Merriman homers don't see.

This is something that Ware is lightyears ahead of Merriman in. He's incredible in his zone assignments, he is great at redirecting routes, and he makes qbs scared to throw in his direction. Scared to throw at a rushbacker? Thats when you know your coverage is good. Im not ready to put him up there as the best just yet, he's on par with Porter in coverage, and I think Adalius, Vrabel, and McGinest are better. But thats good company, and thats all you ask for out of a rushbacker. That was a huge play by Ware. I was surprised that they didn't point it out on TV. The way he sold man coverage on the TE, then pulled back and took Manning's second read to the floor, that was brilliant.

Here's where I think you were wrong. The rule states that a ball carrier must be down by contact. The contact with Harrison was marginal, in the first place, and had nothing to do with him going down. However, the more important issue was whether or not Burnett had established possession of the ball when the contact occurred. It was pretty apparent that he didn't have it under control at the time. If he didn't, then the down by contact would not apply. I think there is a 92.6% chance that the play is upheld if challenged. But, yes, there was definitely a little contact there with Marvin.

I don't know man. If that wasn't down by contact, then neither was Fasano on his play. 90% of the people I talked to say it was down, and we also feel that Fasano was down. But you can't have it both ways. Either both were down by those implications, or neither were.

Don't be mistaken. Romo played very poorly in the first half. Parcells said that the play on which he was picked off should have been thrown to the other side where, apparently, Owens was wide-open for a TD.

If you'll go back and look, it was simply a tale of two halves. The first half was a bit of an aberration, with all the TOs and the missed FGs, etc. But the second half was exactly the up and down the field game that most expected going in. We owned that team in the second half - at least as much as is possible against such a high quality opponent.

While it's true that we could have gotten ourselves in too deep with that first half performance on O, it's still a team game. Our D played great, and our size advantage really started to show up in the second half, just like you would have expected.

Yeah, it was a tale of 2 halves. One thing that has surprised me, is the playcalling. I expected a heavier running load when Romo was named starter. But instead, they just threw him right in there. Even in the 1st half, Dallas threw a lot of times where I felt they would/should run. That was very surprising, and unParcells like. I guess he has a lot of confidence in Romo, because I did not expect Dallas to throw as much as they are with him. Im old school, and if it were me, Id still want to run the ball more, but thats because I grew up playing a Cowher power style of football, so I have bias here.

This is a sore spot for me. We have a lot of posters on this board who are such fanboy freakouts when it comes to evaluating our O-Line, especially in pass pro. Flozell played one of his best games of the season. And our line as a whole played very well in the passing game. People think just because a team is smaller, than you can just mow them over in the run game, it doesn't work like that. With the quickness advantage they have, their D-lineman can shoot gaps at an incredible rate and blow a play up before it has time to develop. It's not like they just stand there and wait to get pushed backwards.

Agreed on the Bledsoe thing. He does make the O-line look bad, but Romo makes them look better than they are. I would say that they are somewhere in the 13-16 range in the NFL. They have allowed 3 sacks in Romo's 4 starts. Projected over an entire season, that would be the 2nd best rate in the league. How 'bout them apples?

Yup agreed here. The oline isn't horrible, its not the best either, its right in the middle. And with Romo, he knows how to buy time making them look even better. The run blocking does need to improve though. I think it would do Dallas some good to still invest in some oline in the offseason. Get some roadgrader OGs who can open up some holes. Its never a bad thing to have too much oline.

I'm sure you're talking to me on this one. And to be honest, I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I have to admit that I am fully aware of the conflicting nature of using that line of reasoning on one side and not the other. Yeah, Ware's sack against Washington did come against Duckett. And yes he did get a free shot on Manning this game. However, let's not get carried away here. That is only the second sack he's gotten on the year against a RB/TE or unblocked. Merriman had two against Oakland, two against St. Louis, and another against (iirc) San Fran.

Still, at some point the numbers just begin to speak for themselves. Merriman has managed 8 1/2 sacks in 8 games. Right now he is just plain better rushing the passer than Ware. DeMarcus has really disappointed me with the use of his hands and his lack of counter-moves this year. He just doesn't bring that much of a repertoire to the table. Merriman isn't exactly Reggie White in that area, but he does a much better job than DeMarcus.

HOWEVER, I still think DeMarcus is the better player. He is faster than Shawne, light-years better in coverage, and is more disciplined against the run. Rarely do you ever see him get too far upfield on a run play and lose the edge. I would take him 99x out of a 100 over Shawne. I think DeMarcus was the MVP of that game. And with all the defensive playmakers out there, that is saying a lot.

Oh, btw, if you look at the play where Addai "pwned" (do you play WOW?) him, you'll see him set his feet and drive through Addai, as he was expecting a run. Only he didn't follow through because he realized halfway into it that Addai didn't have the ball, but it was too late to get the QB after that. Still, it was a great play by Addai and you have to give him credit. There is a reason that the Colts have been gushing over his pass protection. You saw it right there.

I didn't mean to single you out if thats what you thought, because youre not the only one who's said it. Your right about the Addai play, for some reason I forgot that it happened because he bit hard on the PA, but regardless, like you said, you gotta give Addai props for one hell of a block. We all have beaten the Merriman debate to death. You and me both agree on the lack of pass rush moves by Ware. He definately needs to improve upon this to improve his pass rushing. And at the moment Merriman is the better rusher, but who knows what will happen now. With BP moving Ware around, this could be the spark he needed to really break out. Im not going to get carried away after one game though, which is why I feel it will be real interesting to see how the rest of his season unfolds.

I couldn't agree more. For my in-depth thoughts on this topic, go back to the previous page. I wrote at length about it. Hopefully this will force BP to be more creative with DeMarcus to keep him away from double teams, along with confusing the QB. I'm extremely excited to see how this develops moving forward.

Yup, they should try moving him inside at ILB on some plays too. I think he can blow up a Guard and generate pressure up the gut. They still don't do any delayed blitzes or stunt blitzes though. This is something I think that they should add to really confuse the protection schemes.

I know you've always like Carpenter, and I really liked what I saw. A little more work, and he might get Parcells to the point where he just can't keep him off the field.

Yeah, he still has some ways to go against the run. He needs to muslce up a little, and work on his gap assignments. I think thats why BP isn't putting him in fulltime. His pass rush/coverage is great though, and he adds an extra dimension to your defense on 3rd down. For him to be fulltime though, its gonna take a couple more games getting used to gap assignments. Thats something he can only learn with experience though. I expect him to see more playing time in 3 weeks, after he gets used to defending the run. And I still don't see that turtle speed everyone was talking about. He seems pretty quick to me.


I'm a little confused on this one. Did you see him mess up something I didn't? Fasano made one of the biggest catches of the game on that final drive.

I was implying that BP should obviously be upset about what he did after his catch. He barely got touched, the refs couldve called that either way initially, and if that happened it would all be for not. And its not like it was obvious that he was touched, I initially felt that no one touched him either until I saw the replay. In fact, if you look at the replay, not only are Colts players swarming the ball afterwards, but right after he does that, a couple of Cowboy players realize that he just did a bone headed move and try to grab the ball. The only person unaware at that point was Fasano, and a stupid mental mistake like that couldve been huge. BP will definately let him know about it, I guarantee it.


I don't know, dude. With your injuries and lackluster QB play, things are looking scary right now. Your whole defense is based upon pressure from the front four. With Strahan out, Umenyiora out/hurting, Tuck out for the year and DTs masquerading as DEs, things could get ugly the next couple of weeks. If Mike isn't back by the Cowboy/Giant game, I really, really like our chances. Not only that, but missing your LT is probably the second worst thing that could happen to you aside from losing Eli. It will all come down to the game between us and you. I say whoever wins that game definitely wins the division.

Remember, you guys have looked very spotty in beating the Bucs and Texans narrowly (at home, no less), and then got just dismantled by the Bears in the second half. Again, at home. Things aren't looking too good right now, but we've all seen how quickly stuff can turn around. It will be great to watch, though. I'm as pumped as I've been since the preseason.

For some unexplanable reason, I feel confident. This game tonight will be a telling sign. If the team loses and/or Eli plays horribly, then I'll start to panic. But right now, Im not entirely worried, we just have to manage for a couple more games until one of our DEs can come back. If we do win, we'll be 7-3 and right back on track. At that point, Id be thinking 2 seed to be honest with you. But my attitude about it can all change depending on today. Today's game is huge in terms of expectations for the rest of the regular season.

Regardless, I think the 2 wildcard spots are between NYG/Dallas, and Carolina/NO. Those are the teams in it. I think the rest are out of it for the most part.

And GO NINERS! I never thought Id say that, but the more they beat up on Seattle, the better the playoffs look for both of us.

[D-Unit]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.

If we don't resign Singleton this offseason I could see us drafting someone in the 3rd or 4th round based on potential.

I don't see us throwing a lot of money at Porter. This team seems to want to draft defensive talent and sign players on offense.
I've been debating whether or not Dallas needs to spend their first rounder on a WR, but the more I think about it, the more I think that it's not a necessity. I think Bill thinks he has something in Miles Austin or Sam Hurd. The fact that he didn't risk putting either of them on the Practice Squad and making them available to the rest of the league, says a lot... as he treasures every spot on the 53 man roster. Then we also have Crayton who has shown flashes. He's safe in the #3 hole. Yes, Terry Glenn is aging, but he's one of those guys that can play effectively until his late 30's so long as he's healthy. He breaks the mold when you start talking about guys slowing down after their 30th birthday. ...and honestly, I think TO is here until the day he retires. He'll be here longer than Parcells will and nobody will get him the ball more than Romo. Only thing you guys need to get used to is the thought of TO's name getting into the Ring of Honor. :shock: :lol:

So yeah, I've concluded that it's not in our best interest to spend a first rounder in a WR unless his name is Calvin Johnson. I'd prefer to look at FA or trade.

[D-Unit]

Did any of you catch the play of Marcus McNeil last night? Man what a monster he is! Dallas missed the boat on him.

[thule]

Did any of you catch the play of Marcus McNeil last night? Man what a monster he is! Dallas missed the boat on him.

So did the other 30 teams in the league....but I agree he has looked damn good all year.

[D-Unit]

Did any of you catch the play of Marcus McNeil last night? Man what a monster he is! Dallas missed the boat on him.

So did the other 30 teams in the league....but I agree he has looked damn good all year.
Where did he end up going in the draft again???

[thule]

Did any of you catch the play of Marcus McNeil last night? Man what a monster he is! Dallas missed the boat on him.

So did the other 30 teams in the league....but I agree he has looked damn good all year.
Where did he end up going in the draft again???

Second round 50th overall

[D-Unit]

Did any of you catch the play of Marcus McNeil last night? Man what a monster he is! Dallas missed the boat on him.

So did the other 30 teams in the league....but I agree he has looked damn good all year.
Where did he end up going in the draft again???

Second round 50th overall
Well, it's a good thing this year's class looks talented. A guy like Aaron Sears in the 3rd would be a steal.

[dpl85]

Hey guys this is kind of embarassing but I'm going to come out of the closet and admit that I am in fact a Romosexual and I'm not ashamed of it. :lol:

I never thought I'd say this but I miss Billy Cundiff.

[Jdallas]

Just a note on the Fasano play. Although it was tough to see in real time whether or not he was touched, you have to remember that he probably felt the defender touch him.

[mat33]

I don't see many NT out there in the next draft. But one guy that would be great is Derek Landri from ND. He is no NT, but he and Ratliff inside as nickle pass rushers would be awesome. our nickle line would be Ware-Ratliff-Landri-Hatcher.

[leroyisgod]

Even though the combo of Carp/Singleton/Burnett was solid yesterday, I still would like to see us look at some FA's this year or even drafting some talent. The Steelers have yet to resign Joey Porter who is the final year of his deal. Part of me believes they might not sign him. Ware and Porter both play WLB, I wonder if we'd consider signing Porter and moving one of them to SLB.

If we don't resign Singleton this offseason I could see us drafting someone in the 3rd or 4th round based on potential.

I don't see us throwing a lot of money at Porter. This team seems to want to draft defensive talent and sign players on offense.
I've been debating whether or not Dallas needs to spend their first rounder on a WR, but the more I think about it, the more I think that it's not a necessity. I think Bill thinks he has something in Miles Austin or Sam Hurd. The fact that he didn't risk putting either of them on the Practice Squad and making them available to the rest of the league, says a lot... as he treasures every spot on the 53 man roster. Then we also have Crayton who has shown flashes. He's safe in the #3 hole. Yes, Terry Glenn is aging, but he's one of those guys that can play effectively until his late 30's so long as he's healthy. He breaks the mold when you start talking about guys slowing down after their 30th birthday. ...and honestly, I think TO is here until the day he retires. He'll be here longer than Parcells will and nobody will get him the ball more than Romo. Only thing you guys need to get used to is the thought of TO's name getting into the Ring of Honor. :shock: :lol:

So yeah, I've concluded that it's not in our best interest to spend a first rounder in a WR unless his name is Calvin Johnson. I'd prefer to look at FA or trade.

First round WR's is a hit or miss proposition. I'd rather see us going ofter a talented veteran than a rookie. A veteran that has a lot of years in him that is.

Offensive line and NT are my top area's of concentration.

[Paul]

The list of of UFA and RFA WR this upcoming offseason is not that appealing. Drew Bennett and Kevin Curtis are solid, but I wouldn't say they are a upgrade over Crayton.

We spent the last few drafts filling up our Defense with playmakers, I think it's the Offenses turn.

[thule]

The list of of UFA and RFA WR this upcoming offseason is not that appealing. Drew Bennett and Kevin Curtis are solid, but I wouldn't say they are a upgrade over Crayton.

We spent the last few drafts filling up our Defense with playmakers, I think it's the Offenses turn.

Why not break down a big board for us?

[Paul]

Forgot to add that I didn't add any Cap casualties, so you never know what players might be out there in the off season but here the list of FA Wr:

Drew Bennett, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Kevin Curtis, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Marc Boerigter, UFA, Green Bay Packers
David Boston, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tyrone Calico, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Andre' Davis, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Justin Gage, UFA, Chicago Bears
D.J. Hackett, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Keenan McCardell, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Shaun McDonald, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Jerome Pathon, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Willie Ponder, UFA, New York Giants
Edell Shepherd, RFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Travis Taylor, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Scottie Vines, RFA, Detroit Lions
Bobby Wade, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Peter Warrick, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Kelley Washington, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Alvis Whitted, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Ernest Wilford, RFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

[leroyisgod]

Forgot to add that I didn't add any Cap casualties, so you never know what players might be out there in the off season but here the list of FA Wr:

Drew Bennett, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Kevin Curtis, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Marc Boerigter, UFA, Green Bay Packers
David Boston, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tyrone Calico, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Andre' Davis, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Justin Gage, UFA, Chicago Bears
D.J. Hackett, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Keenan McCardell, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Shaun McDonald, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Jerome Pathon, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Willie Ponder, UFA, New York Giants
Edell Shepherd, RFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Travis Taylor, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Scottie Vines, RFA, Detroit Lions
Bobby Wade, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Peter Warrick, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Kelley Washington, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Alvis Whitted, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Ernest Wilford, RFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

Blah

[Paul]

Forgot to add that I didn't add any Cap casualties, so you never know what players might be out there in the off season but here the list of FA Wr:

Drew Bennett, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Kevin Curtis, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Marc Boerigter, UFA, Green Bay Packers
David Boston, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tyrone Calico, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Andre' Davis, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Justin Gage, UFA, Chicago Bears
D.J. Hackett, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Keenan McCardell, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Shaun McDonald, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Jerome Pathon, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Willie Ponder, UFA, New York Giants
Edell Shepherd, RFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Travis Taylor, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Scottie Vines, RFA, Detroit Lions
Bobby Wade, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Peter Warrick, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Kelley Washington, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Alvis Whitted, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Ernest Wilford, RFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

Blah

Exactly.

Ernest Wilford does interest me, but I would not give up any draft picks for him.

[Paul]

As for the NT position, there isn't a Vince Wilfork type of prospect in this years draft, But I like a guy like Tardell Sands from Oakland who can stuff the run. He's abit to tall for the NT at 6'7 335lbs, but he is hard to move and just.... BIG

[D-Unit]

Outside of that list will be names of players that will be cut, which should add some value to the FA market.

As for trade possibilities... you gotta think disgruntled players... Jerry Porter and Randy Moss come to mind... lol.

[FinChase]

Outside of that list will be names of players that will be cut, which should add some value to the FA market.

As for trade possibilities... you gotta think disgruntled players... Jerry Porter and Randy Moss come to mind... lol.

I think one high maintenance, thin-skinned receiver is enough for any team. Besides, I just don't like Moss's attitude. Say what you will about TO, he always plays hard.

Outside of that list will be names of players that will be cut, which should add some value to the FA market.

As for trade possibilities... you gotta think disgruntled players... Jerry Porter and Randy Moss come to mind... lol.

Moss and T.O.? :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:

[Paul]

As if Jay-Z wasn't cool enough, he just told the MNF crew he's a Cowboys fan. 8)

[dpl85]

I certainly don't want to overlook Tampa on Turkey Day but at the risk of being called the master of the obvious the following game against the Giants will be absolutely HUGE. I'm definitely not going to make any bold predictions other than to say the winner of that game will more than likely win the division obviously. That game will probably define our season.

[D-Unit]

I certainly don't want to overlook Tampa on Turkey Day but at the risk of being called the master of the obvious the following game against the Giants will be absolutely HUGE. I'm definitely not going to make any bold predictions other than to say the winner of that game will more than likely win the division obviously. That game will probably define our season.
I'm the opposite. I think Tampa will be cake walk and I don't think a win or loss will define our season. We are however, looking quite unstoppable and 4 more wins should take us to the playoffs. Here's how I see our season unfolding the rest of the way.

Tampa - Easy Win - Us against a rookie QB who is on the Road in Dallas on Turkey Day? Ain't happenin' folks.
@Giants - Win - I've been saying we'd split wins since opening day.
Saints - Win - I don't think they are as good as their early season record. I see them battling for a wildcard spot and perhaps being the odd team out.
@Atlanta - Win - Probably the most difficult game that I foresee us having left on the schedule, but if they have to rely on the run (which they will), they are dead.
Philly - Win - Not happenin' without McScab
Detroit - Win - Our starters will sit and we'll still win...Detroit is playing for the top pick of the draft.

Season ending record: 12-4

[thule]

I certainly don't want to overlook Tampa on Turkey Day but at the risk of being called the master of the obvious the following game against the Giants will be absolutely HUGE. I'm definitely not going to make any bold predictions other than to say the winner of that game will more than likely win the division obviously. That game will probably define our season.
I'm the opposite. I think Tampa will be cake walk and I don't think a win or loss will define our season. We are however, looking quite unstoppable and 4 more wins should take us to the playoffs. Here's how I see our season unfolding the rest of the way.

Tampa - Easy Win - Us against a rookie QB who is on the Road in Dallas on Turkey Day? Ain't happenin' folks.
@Giants - Win - I've been saying we'd split wins since opening day.
Saints - Win - I don't think they are as good as their early season record. I see them battling for a wildcard spot and perhaps being the odd team out.

@Atlanta - Win - Probably the most difficult game that I foresee us having left on the schedule, but if they have to rely on the run (which they will), they are dead.
Philly - Win - Not happenin' without McScab
Detroit - Win - Our starters will sit and we'll still win...Detroit is playing for the top pick of the draft.

Season ending record: 12-4

Winning out would be huge for us...likely give us a first round bye with chicago. I really think we need homefield advantage to make it to the bowl tho. I really don't like our chances of winning in Chicago in January.

Another note...figuring an easy win against TB will leave us with 11 days to prepare for the giants....got to like that...not to meniton we will be more rested then them. I agree that the NYG game on monday night will be a good sign of how far this team will go.

[Modano]

The Jaguars won, now we are in control of our playoff run..

[thule]

The Jaguars won, now we are in control of our playoff run..

Ya i'm really liking the look at a first round bye. We are curently sixth in the NFC playoff wise.

Chicago has one bye looked up it seems.
NYG still have to go to carolina/and play NO plus us. With all those injuries who knows
Seattle hasn't looked like anything without hasselbeck
Carolina is moving up...but have a tough remaining schuedel also at no/at atl
NO has overachieved and the loss of Colston will hurt more then we think

Phi is at the 7 spot...think its safe to say they aren't a threat anymore.
SF is behind them we shouldn't have to worry about them.
I really like our chance in this thing.

[Modano]

Who knows who are our team captains this year?
Last year they were Campbell, Ellis and I don't remember if there was another one..

Anyone is going to Texas Stadium for the thanksgivin game? This one is nationally televised here in Italy too :D

[leroyisgod]

That Redskins loss could bite us in the behind when it comes to home field.

[M.O.T.H.]

Who knows who are our team captains this year?
Last year they were Campbell, Ellis and I don't remember if there was another one..

Anyone is going to Texas Stadium for the thanksgivin game? This one is nationally televised here in Italy too :D

Bledsoe, Bradie, and Ellis.

[bigbluedefense]

You guys were right, its gonna come down to the Giants/Cowboys game. The Giants are reeling right now, the injuries are almost too much to handle. Our defense is a sitting duck out there, and our offense isn't doing them any favors.

I underestimated how huge losing Petitgout was. Holy crap, ever since he went down Eli is running for his life. His confidence seems at an all time low, and until the coaching staff buys a brain and does something to help Whitfield like leave a TE in to block, we're going no where.

Im hoping that we go no huddle for the rest of the season, it seems that if Eli calls the plays, we have hope. But the playcalling by Huffnagel is absolutely ridiculous. They didn't call Shockey's # once the entire game, we only went to him when Eli called the plays, and naturally, our offense started to get a spark. Eli needs to drastically improve because if he continues to regress, you guys won the division.

I have a bad feeling that Osi and Strahan are both done for the season. If thats the case, then our season is over anyway, because we're simply not a good team without them.

[Ward]

You guys were right, its gonna come down to the Giants/Cowboys game. The Giants are reeling right now, the injuries are almost too much to handle. Our defense is a sitting duck out there, and our offense isn't doing them any favors.

I underestimated how huge losing Petitgout was. Holy crap, ever since he went down Eli is running for his life. His confidence seems at an all time low, and until the coaching staff buys a brain and does something to help Whitfield like leave a TE in to block, we're going no where.

Im hoping that we go no huddle for the rest of the season, it seems that if Eli calls the plays, we have hope. But the playcalling by Huffnagel is absolutely ridiculous. They didn't call Shockey's # once the entire game, we only went to him when Eli called the plays, and naturally, our offense started to get a spark. Eli needs to drastically improve because if he continues to regress, you guys won the division.

I have a bad feeling that Osi and Strahan are both done for the season. If thats the case, then our season is over anyway, because we're simply not a good team without them.

I was completely shocked when no one reacted to me posting that Petitgout was lost for the season. Is it possible that I, a lowly Cowgirls fan, respects him more than you guys?

I honestly hope you guys have to start keeping a TE in to help block, because that means Shockey becomes neutralized. I fear no one in your offense but Shockey, because he holds the keys for everyone else.

[bigbluedefense]

You guys were right, its gonna come down to the Giants/Cowboys game. The Giants are reeling right now, the injuries are almost too much to handle. Our defense is a sitting duck out there, and our offense isn't doing them any favors.

I underestimated how huge losing Petitgout was. Holy crap, ever since he went down Eli is running for his life. His confidence seems at an all time low, and until the coaching staff buys a brain and does something to help Whitfield like leave a TE in to block, we're going no where.

Im hoping that we go no huddle for the rest of the season, it seems that if Eli calls the plays, we have hope. But the playcalling by Huffnagel is absolutely ridiculous. They didn't call Shockey's # once the entire game, we only went to him when Eli called the plays, and naturally, our offense started to get a spark. Eli needs to drastically improve because if he continues to regress, you guys won the division.

I have a bad feeling that Osi and Strahan are both done for the season. If thats the case, then our season is over anyway, because we're simply not a good team without them.

I was completely shocked when no one reacted to me posting that Petitgout was lost for the season. Is it possible that I, a lowly Cowgirls fan, respects him more than you guys?

I honestly hope you guys have to start keeping a TE in to help block, because that means Shockey becomes neutralized. I fear no one in your offense but Shockey, because he holds the keys for everyone else.

My plan would be to come in with a 2 TE set, with Shincao blocking on Whitfield's side, and we run Shockey, Burress and Tyree out on patterns, and Barber in the flats. That would be enough. Afterall, its not like Eli is gonna make 4 reads every play, if we run out 3 guys and a flat route, thats more than enough.

Heck, I wouldnt even use Shincao half the time. Id bring in Seaburt. We use him alot on Run plays as an "eligable TE" and have him pull, but I wouldn't mind having him on pass plays too and have him block. Use a mix of him and Shincao in blocking patterns to mix it up, that can easily solve our problem.

That and not streaking Shockey all the goddamned time. When Eli calls the plays in the no huddle, he uses Shockey as an intermediate route, and the results speak for themselves. When TC and Huffy run the show, we streak him every play with no dump off, so Eli has a choice between.

1. Deepball
2. Deepball
3. Deepball some more.

Its a joke. I honestly don't see any adjustments to our game unless the coaching staff is replaced. We've had the same offensive issues here since TC came on board, and it doesn't look like he's willing to change. So we're in a sticky situation right now. Part of me wants to see us tank the season so we can get TC fired, because that seems like the only way we will ever get a change in the playbook. But the other half of me says that if we can gut this out, and somehow regroup, we have a shot at the SB with this crapshoot NFC conference this year.

But its not looking good for the Giants right now. Im sure BP is using it as motivation for the Bucs game for you guys. Its usually a trap game, but I don't think that happens with Dallas's emotions at an all time high this season.

[Ward]

That and not streaking Shockey all the goddamned time. When Eli calls the plays in the no huddle, he uses Shockey as an intermediate route, and the results speak for themselves. When TC and Huffy run the show, we streak him every play with no dump off, so Eli has a choice between.

1. Deepball
2. Deepball
3. Deepball some more.

Its a joke. I honestly don't see any adjustments to our game unless the coaching staff is replaced. We've had the same offensive issues here since TC came on board, and it doesn't look like he's willing to change. So we're in a sticky situation right now. Part of me wants to see us tank the season so we can get TC fired, because that seems like the only way we will ever get a change in the playbook. But the other half of me says that if we can gut this out, and somehow regroup, we have a shot at the SB with this crapshoot NFC conference this year.

You know it's funny, I was watching ESPN and someone made the astute comment (wish I could remember who) that Eli Manning and Mike Vick need to swap offenses. Eli needs the short-intermediate routes of a WCO hybrid, and Vick needs an O that just goes deep all the time. Maybe you guys can work out a trade. :wink:

[thule]

That and not streaking Shockey all the goddamned time. When Eli calls the plays in the no huddle, he uses Shockey as an intermediate route, and the results speak for themselves. When TC and Huffy run the show, we streak him every play with no dump off, so Eli has a choice between.

1. Deepball
2. Deepball
3. Deepball some more.

Its a joke. I honestly don't see any adjustments to our game unless the coaching staff is replaced. We've had the same offensive issues here since TC came on board, and it doesn't look like he's willing to change. So we're in a sticky situation right now. Part of me wants to see us tank the season so we can get TC fired, because that seems like the only way we will ever get a change in the playbook. But the other half of me says that if we can gut this out, and somehow regroup, we have a shot at the SB with this crapshoot NFC conference this year.

You know it's funny, I was watching ESPN and someone made the astute comment (wish I could remember who) that Eli Manning and Mike Vick need to swap offenses. Eli needs the short-intermediate routes of a WCO hybrid, and Vick needs an O that just goes deep all the time. Maybe you guys can work out a trade. :wink:

It'd work out in madden :lol:

[bigbluedefense]

That and not streaking Shockey all the goddamned time. When Eli calls the plays in the no huddle, he uses Shockey as an intermediate route, and the results speak for themselves. When TC and Huffy run the show, we streak him every play with no dump off, so Eli has a choice between.

1. Deepball
2. Deepball
3. Deepball some more.

Its a joke. I honestly don't see any adjustments to our game unless the coaching staff is replaced. We've had the same offensive issues here since TC came on board, and it doesn't look like he's willing to change. So we're in a sticky situation right now. Part of me wants to see us tank the season so we can get TC fired, because that seems like the only way we will ever get a change in the playbook. But the other half of me says that if we can gut this out, and somehow regroup, we have a shot at the SB with this crapshoot NFC conference this year.

You know it's funny, I was watching ESPN and someone made the astute comment (wish I could remember who) that Eli Manning and Mike Vick need to swap offenses. Eli needs the short-intermediate routes of a WCO hybrid, and Vick needs an O that just goes deep all the time. Maybe you guys can work out a trade. :wink:

Mora for Huffnagel? Thats like trading a Hyundai for a Daewoo, lol.

[DMWSackMachine]

I love the NFL - and especially Giants fans. Two weeks ago the media, everyone in and around the NFL, and especially their fans are swaggering around talking the Giants up as the third best team in the NFL, the odds-on favorite to beat the Bears and go to the SB, the team with no weaknesses, blah blah blah. Then all of a sudden they get dismantled by the Bears, followed by just an ugly, ugly performance against a depleted Jacksonville team (is losing Mike Peterson, Reggie Hayward, Donovin Darius, their FS and having a limited Marcus Stroud on the field [i]really that far away from the spot the Giants are in?) with a string of horrid performances by their QB and the loss of their LT, and suddenly Coughlin is a horrible coach, management is lost in their own bodies, and the finger is pointed in all directions.

The funny thing, to me, is that the Giants were never as good as people were making them out to be when they were riding high, and they are not as bad as they seem now. The one thing I have said all through the year is that they are built around the pressure from their defensive front. If Mike and Osi aren't getting to the QB, then the entire defense falls apart, much like last night. Obviously, with not just one but BOTH of those guys out, it's going to get ugly.

The one thing that concerns me is that Eli has looked positively downright bad the last 4 weeks. Even in the game against us (to me, the best game as a team they have played all year) he was less than impressive. His stat line was mediocre, and it's been all down hill from there. You can attribute part of that to losing Petitgout, but it started before that injury, and there have been plays where he has had plenty of time, but just plain missed. With Eli playing at a PB level and their DEs getting consistent pressure, I think they can be a team that has a shot at making a run. But with on or both of those elements out of play, they simply can't overcome the weaknesses they have up the middle against the run and their terrible pass coverage.

Still, next week the Giants could blow out the Titans by 40, the Cowboys could choke on their chickens at home against the lowly Bucs, and everything could be turned on its head yet again. This is the NFL. One thing that has been driven home in my mind (even though I knew it before) over the last 6 weeks is that the season takes way too many twists and turns for me to over react to a win or a loss. I have nearly ceased entirely watching ESPN because they just ride the waves with every single team. The Giants are a great example. Right now the Cowboys are up, the Giants are down and Philly and Wash are out. Who knows, maybe Garcia will end up leading the Eagles to a SB! Whatever the outcome, you just have to try and keep an even keel. This thing is far from over.

[DMWSackMachine]

Don't look now, but Dallas is currently ranked t-5th in the league in TO differential at +6, and is actually a whopping third in total takeaways with 23. :shock:

Maybe this defense is ready to take off. Wow.

[bigbluedefense]

I love the NFL - and especially Giants fans. Two weeks ago the media, everyone in and around the NFL, and especially their fans are swaggering around talking the Giants up as the third best team in the NFL, the odds-on favorite to beat the Bears and go to the SB, the team with no weaknesses, blah blah blah. Then all of a sudden they get dismantled by the Bears, followed by just an ugly, ugly performance against a depleted Jacksonville team (is losing Mike Peterson, Reggie Hayward, Donovin Darius, their FS and having a limited Marcus Stroud on the field [i]really that far away from the spot the Giants are in?) with a string of horrid performances by their QB and the loss of their LT, and suddenly Coughlin is a horrible coach, management is lost in their own bodies, and the finger is pointed in all directions.

We've actually been criticizing TC and the coaching staff all year. Its not something we've just begun to do. Heck, we've criticized our offensive playbook in the offseason. These problems are nothing new, and naturally they'll rear their head when the team loses.

The funny thing, to me, is that the Giants were never as good as people were making them out to be when they were riding high, and they are not as bad as they seem now. The one thing I have said all through the year is that they are built around the pressure from their defensive front. If Mike and Osi aren't getting to the QB, then the entire defense falls apart, much like last night. Obviously, with not just one but BOTH of those guys out, it's going to get ugly.

Of course. We lost 3 major pieces on defense, thats equivalent to you guys losing Ware, Roy Williams, and Bradie James. We are built on pressure, but name me a defense that can still succeed without their 3 best pass rushers. Take away the pass rushers, and any defense will crumble. If you guys lost Ware, Ellis and Carpenter, which is equivalent to our injuries, your defense would take a huge dive as well. Im not putting our defense in the same breathe as yours, but naturally when you lose 3 integral pieces on defense, it will faulter no matter what you have in the other positions. You can have the best secondary in the world, no one can cover NFL receivers for 5 seconds. No pressure, and your pass defense crumbles, thats how it is for everyone.

The one thing that concerns me is that Eli has looked positively downright bad the last 4 weeks. Even in the game against us (to me, the best game as a team they have played all year) he was less than impressive. His stat line was mediocre, and it's been all down hill from there. You can attribute part of that to losing Petitgout, but it started before that injury, and there have been plays where he has had plenty of time, but just plain missed. With Eli playing at a PB level and their DEs getting consistent pressure, I think they can be a team that has a shot at making a run. But with on or both of those elements out of play, they simply can't overcome the weaknesses they have up the middle against the run and their terrible pass coverage.

That pretty much sums it up. Eli is not playing well at all. If we're gonna go anywhere, he needs to improve bottomline. His mistakes are correctable, but if he doesn't correct them, then its over. I think you underestimate your interior D though. Pierce does a great job stopping the run up the gut, and Coffield has done a good job filling in at NT. Im not a huge Robbins fan, but he has been playing well. The problem now is with our Ends gone, teams are running offtackle and sweeps on us all day. Thats the issue. And because of that, we are moving our OLBs over the side more, and now that opens up the interior run. Thats the main issue, our vulnerability to the outside run now that our DEs are depleted. Its a dominoe effect for the rest of the defense.

Still, next week the Giants could blow out the Titans by 40, the Cowboys could choke on their chickens at home against the lowly Bucs, and everything could be turned on its head yet again. This is the NFL. One thing that has been driven home in my mind (even though I knew it before) over the last 6 weeks is that the season takes way too many twists and turns for me to over react to a win or a loss. I have nearly ceased entirely watching ESPN because they just ride the waves with every single team. The Giants are a great example. Right now the Cowboys are up, the Giants are down and Philly and Wash are out. Who knows, maybe Garcia will end up leading the Eagles to a SB! Whatever the outcome, you just have to try and keep an even keel. This thing is far from over.

Yeah, the whole league is a crapshoot. Like I said before, it would not surprise me at all if a 8-8 team makes the playoffs in the NFC. Outside of Chicago, the 2nd best record in the NFC is 6-4 right now, shared by 5 teams. Just imagine how much will change just in this week alone when more of those teams win/lose and create some separation (if you can even call it that). I personally hate the parity, I think its getting to be too much, but thats just how it is. Imagine how hard it must be for gamblers...the bookies are making a killing.

That said, if the Giants can just survive this storm and hold serve, we can make the playoffs, maybe even win the division. We own all tiebreakers over all the 6-4 teams (except maybe Seattle I believe), so if we can just hold serve, we'll be ok. Thats a big IF considering how bad we are playing right now. But like you said, the season is so up and down, you just never know whats gonna happen next.

[Staubach12]

The thing that really killed the Giants last night was Manning, and he's a good QB, but he lost composure. Last night he looked confused out there. He didn't look like he had control of the offense. He wasn't relaxed, and he was trying too hard. On that one swing pass out to the flat near the beginning of the game, it was just a bad pass. He was thinking about it too much. If he just relaxes, keeps composure, and keeps himself under control, he'll win some games. If he gets frustrated and tense and loses focus, it's going to be hard for the Giants to win.

[LSUALUM99]

I have been the one that has consistently compared Eli Manning's statistics to Drew Bledsoes. I am the one that has shown that the difference in a QB's statistics from his second full year of starting to his third year of starting is not much of an improvement at all. I'm the one that has pointed out that Eli is an average NFL quarterback with an excellent 'pedigree' that gives him more credibility to some than he deserves.

I know the Giants fans don't like to hear it, but the fact is that Eli is an inaccurate passer. That inaccuracy leads to low completion percentage and high interception ratios. He is what he is. He wasn't an accurate passer in College. He hasn't been an accurate passer in the NFL.

He has a very good TE, an above average #1 WR, and one of the best all around RB's in the NFL. It's not like he doesn't have weapons.

Eli is not a bust of Akili Smith, Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf proportions. What he is though is Drew Bledsoe. He'll have a 10 year career, but he'll never be a top 5 QB.

P.S. Bookies don't make more or less money based on parity. The line forces the parity. Bookies make money based on the total volume of the dollars bet on a game. Bookies make 10% (referred to as 'juice') on the lost money. In an ideal situation an equal amount of money is bet on both sides so the bookie makes 5% of the total amount bet on the game. The money is made in having accurate handicapping.

[D-Unit]

I have been the one that has consistently compared Eli Manning's statistics to Drew Bledsoes. I am the one that has shown that the difference in a QB's statistics from his second full year of starting to his third year of starting is not much of an improvement at all. I'm the one that has pointed out that Eli is an average NFL quarterback with an excellent 'pedigree' that gives him more credibility to some than he deserves.

I know the Giants fans don't like to hear it, but the fact is that Eli is an inaccurate passer. That inaccuracy leads to low completion percentage and high interception ratios. He is what he is. He wasn't an accurate passer in College. He hasn't been an accurate passer in the NFL.

He has a very good TE, an above average #1 WR, and one of the best all around RB's in the NFL. It's not like he doesn't have weapons.

Eli is not a bust of Akili Smith, Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf proportions. What he is though is Drew Bledsoe. He'll have a 10 year career, but he'll never be a top 5 QB.

P.S. Bookies don't make more or less money based on parity. The line forces the parity. Bookies make money based on the total volume of the dollars bet on a game. Bookies make 10% (referred to as 'juice') on the lost money. In an ideal situation an equal amount of money is bet on both sides so the bookie makes 5% of the total amount bet on the game. The money is made in having accurate handicapping.
On a similar note...

I am the one that has called Eli a cry baby...

I am the one that said Phillip Rivers was the best of that QB Class...

I am the one that can't stand watching him talk.

I am the one that said Eli is a cry baby... Oops! Did I already say that? LOL! JK. But not really. Just having fun with the truth... :D

I wasn't impressed with Eli in college and I will admit... He did impress me a few times when I watched him against Dallas. I think he's a slippery guy to sack... I agree with LSU in that I believe he has enough skills to have longevity in the league, but I don't think he'll ever be a HOF candidate.







...and on gambling... I WON PUTTING MONEY DOWN ON THE BOYS VS THE COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

...but why Oh why did I play the over???? 48.5??? Who was I kidding??? :(

[Poet3334]

I have been the one that has consistently compared Eli Manning's statistics to Drew Bledsoes. I am the one that has shown that the difference in a QB's statistics from his second full year of starting to his third year of starting is not much of an improvement at all. I'm the one that has pointed out that Eli is an average NFL quarterback with an excellent 'pedigree' that gives him more credibility to some than he deserves.

I know the Giants fans don't like to hear it, but the fact is that Eli is an inaccurate passer. That inaccuracy leads to low completion percentage and high interception ratios. He is what he is. He wasn't an accurate passer in College. He hasn't been an accurate passer in the NFL.

He has a very good TE, an above average #1 WR, and one of the best all around RB's in the NFL. It's not like he doesn't have weapons.

Eli is not a bust of Akili Smith, Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf proportions. What he is though is Drew Bledsoe. He'll have a 10 year career, but he'll never be a top 5 QB.

P.S. Bookies don't make more or less money based on parity. The line forces the parity. Bookies make money based on the total volume of the dollars bet on a game. Bookies make 10% (referred to as 'juice') on the lost money. In an ideal situation an equal amount of money is bet on both sides so the bookie makes 5% of the total amount bet on the game. The money is made in having accurate handicapping.

And I defended Eli in another thread. I guess I was basing my opinion on potential and pedigree. He's got a ways to go.

[Vikings Fan]

A site I came across that you may like.

www.TonyHomo.com

[Burns336]

A site I came across that you may like.

www.TonyHomo.com


holy ****.... that is one of the funniest things ive ever read... great site, you guys gotta check it out. nice post.

[D-Unit]

A site I came across that you may like.

www.TonyHomo.com
Someone has way too much time on their hands. I think that is sad. It's not even funny.

[dpl85]

A site I came across that you may like.

www.TonyHomo.com
It's not fun and it's not funny. Seriously Drew Bledsoe doesn't deserve that, he's been a classy stand up guy and handled himself with dignity and integrity. I'm really glad to have a proven veteran backup like Bledsoe just in case anything were to happen to Romo our season certainly wouldn't be lost.

[Staubach12]

A site I came across that you may like.

www.TonyHomo.com
It's not fun and it's not funny. Seriously Drew Bledsoe doesn't deserve that, he's been a classy stand up guy and handled himself with dignity and integrity. I'm really glad to have a proven veteran backup like Bledsoe just in case anything were to happen to Romo our season certainly wouldn't be lost.

I agree somewhat. He's been classy, he handled it well. But if Romo is gone, the season is over IMO.[/list]

[Vikings Fan]

He doesnt deserve it? Come on, its just a little joke at his expense. Like Favre jokes about painkillers. Bledsoe was a great QB and nothing can take it away from him, but that doesnt make him untouchable in the world of cheap laughs. Lighten up.

[Jdallas]

So now that we're done talking about that since it has nothing to do with the team...
What do you guys know about Travis Leffew G Louisville? I recognize the name, but don't remember too much about him. He played OT in college and was on the Packers practice squad before we signed him yesterday. Parcells said he was sort of a project.

[DMWSackMachine]

I love the NFL - and especially Giants fans. Two weeks ago the media, everyone in and around the NFL, and especially their fans are swaggering around talking the Giants up as the third best team in the NFL, the odds-on favorite to beat the Bears and go to the SB, the team with no weaknesses, blah blah blah. Then all of a sudden they get dismantled by the Bears, followed by just an ugly, ugly performance against a depleted Jacksonville team (is losing Mike Peterson, Reggie Hayward, Donovin Darius, their FS and having a limited Marcus Stroud on the field [i]really that far away from the spot the Giants are in?) with a string of horrid performances by their QB and the loss of their LT, and suddenly Coughlin is a horrible coach, management is lost in their own bodies, and the finger is pointed in all directions.

We've actually been criticizing TC and the coaching staff all year. Its not something we've just begun to do. Heck, we've criticized our offensive playbook in the offseason. These problems are nothing new, and naturally they'll rear their head when the team loses.

The funny thing, to me, is that the Giants were never as good as people were making them out to be when they were riding high, and they are not as bad as they seem now. The one thing I have said all through the year is that they are built around the pressure from their defensive front. If Mike and Osi aren't getting to the QB, then the entire defense falls apart, much like last night. Obviously, with not just one but BOTH of those guys out, it's going to get ugly.

Of course. We lost 3 major pieces on defense, thats equivalent to you guys losing Ware, Roy Williams, and Bradie James. We are built on pressure, but name me a defense that can still succeed without their 3 best pass rushers. Take away the pass rushers, and any defense will crumble. If you guys lost Ware, Ellis and Carpenter, which is equivalent to our injuries, your defense would take a huge dive as well. Im not putting our defense in the same breathe as yours, but naturally when you lose 3 integral pieces on defense, it will faulter no matter what you have in the other positions. You can have the best secondary in the world, no one can cover NFL receivers for 5 seconds. No pressure, and your pass defense crumbles, thats how it is for everyone.

The one thing that concerns me is that Eli has looked positively downright bad the last 4 weeks. Even in the game against us (to me, the best game as a team they have played all year) he was less than impressive. His stat line was mediocre, and it's been all down hill from there. You can attribute part of that to losing Petitgout, but it started before that injury, and there have been plays where he has had plenty of time, but just plain missed. With Eli playing at a PB level and their DEs getting consistent pressure, I think they can be a team that has a shot at making a run. But with on or both of those elements out of play, they simply can't overcome the weaknesses they have up the middle against the run and their terrible pass coverage.

That pretty much sums it up. Eli is not playing well at all. If we're gonna go anywhere, he needs to improve bottomline. His mistakes are correctable, but if he doesn't correct them, then its over. I think you underestimate your interior D though. Pierce does a great job stopping the run up the gut, and Coffield has done a good job filling in at NT. Im not a huge Robbins fan, but he has been playing well. The problem now is with our Ends gone, teams are running offtackle and sweeps on us all day. Thats the issue. And because of that, we are moving our OLBs over the side more, and now that opens up the interior run. Thats the main issue, our vulnerability to the outside run now that our DEs are depleted. Its a dominoe effect for the rest of the defense.

Still, next week the Giants could blow out the Titans by 40, the Cowboys could choke on their chickens at home against the lowly Bucs, and everything could be turned on its head yet again. This is the NFL. One thing that has been driven home in my mind (even though I knew it before) over the last 6 weeks is that the season takes way too many twists and turns for me to over react to a win or a loss. I have nearly ceased entirely watching ESPN because they just ride the waves with every single team. The Giants are a great example. Right now the Cowboys are up, the Giants are down and Philly and Wash are out. Who knows, maybe Garcia will end up leading the Eagles to a SB! Whatever the outcome, you just have to try and keep an even keel. This thing is far from over.

Yeah, the whole league is a crapshoot. Like I said before, it would not surprise me at all if a 8-8 team makes the playoffs in the NFC. Outside of Chicago, the 2nd best record in the NFC is 6-4 right now, shared by 5 teams. Just imagine how much will change just in this week alone when more of those teams win/lose and create some separation (if you can even call it that). I personally hate the parity, I think its getting to be too much, but thats just how it is. Imagine how hard it must be for gamblers...the bookies are making a killing.

That said, if the Giants can just survive this storm and hold serve, we can make the playoffs, maybe even win the division. We own all tiebreakers over all the 6-4 teams (except maybe Seattle I believe), so if we can just hold serve, we'll be ok. Thats a big IF considering how bad we are playing right now. But like you said, the season is so up and down, you just never know whats gonna happen next.


I understand all the injuries, etc. However, you are wrong that them losing Osi, Strahan and Tuck is equivalent to us losing Ware, Ellis and Carpenter. Maybe on a player-quality level it is close, but our defense is not based upon creating pressure the way that the Giants is. Philisophically, teams decide what they are. Some play pressure schemes, others play coverage. We are much more of a coverage team, whereas a team like the Redskins or Eagles are pressure oriented. Any way you look at it, losing quality guys is going to hurt your defense. And pressure players are one of the, if not THE, most valuable to a team. But for you guys to lose the foundation of your defense like that hurts you worse than, say, losing Arrington and Pierce would.

Also, the deficiencies with players like Madison, Webster, McQuarters and your SS from Baltimore (forgot his name for a sec) are usually made up for by those terrors coming off the edge. Take those away, or even put slightly above average DEs in their place, and all of a sudden that secondary becomes remarkably easy to exploit (a la the Jags the other night, a below average passing team with a ton of drops and they still rack up the stats).

Still, there is a lot there to work with. Plax is a good player who can makes some big plays. Shockey is loaded with talent if he can just translate it to more production. The O-line, even with the loss of Petitgout, is still, imo, a strength. And you've got Tiki, which speaks for itself. You're just going to have to become a team that wins by putting up tons of points. You can no longer rely upon your defense to make catalytic plays to set the O up in a position to score. I think that's the fundamental change in philosophy that must occur until Osi and Mike come back. But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Either way, you're not going to be winning games with your defense.

[bigbluedefense]

I understand all the injuries, etc. However, you are wrong that them losing Osi, Strahan and Tuck is equivalent to us losing Ware, Ellis and Carpenter. Maybe on a player-quality level it is close, but our defense is not based upon creating pressure the way that the Giants is. Philisophically, teams decide what they are. Some play pressure schemes, others play coverage. We are much more of a coverage team, whereas a team like the Redskins or Eagles are pressure oriented. Any way you look at it, losing quality guys is going to hurt your defense. And pressure players are one of the, if not THE, most valuable to a team. But for you guys to lose the foundation of your defense like that hurts you worse than, say, losing Arrington and Pierce would.

Also, the deficiencies with players like Madison, Webster, McQuarters and your SS from Baltimore (forgot his name for a sec) are usually made up for by those terrors coming off the edge. Take those away, or even put slightly above average DEs in their place, and all of a sudden that secondary becomes remarkably easy to exploit (a la the Jags the other night, a below average passing team with a ton of drops and they still rack up the stats).

Still, there is a lot there to work with. Plax is a good player who can makes some big plays. Shockey is loaded with talent if he can just translate it to more production. The O-line, even with the loss of Petitgout, is still, imo, a strength. And you've got Tiki, which speaks for itself. You're just going to have to become a team that wins by putting up tons of points. You can no longer rely upon your defense to make catalytic plays to set the O up in a position to score. I think that's the fundamental change in philosophy that must occur until Osi and Mike come back. But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Either way, you're not going to be winning games with your defense.

Yeah, we're gonna get scored on in the coming weeks until our defense gets healthy again. I think a major loss in the secondary was Madison. He was the guy we put in man coverage and when we played a blitz oriented man coverage defense, he did very well in that assingment. He's not a great zone defender, but still a very serviceable man coverage defender. Losing him forced us to play that zone scheme that TL uses that we hate because Webster can't cover a thing and can't be trusted in man coverage. Now because of that, coupled with no pressure, offenses are just picking us apart. He was a huge loss. McQuarters is also a good defender, if you notice, teams right now are picking on Webster, and finding seems in our zone coverages between the Corner and Safeties, because our safeties lack the speed to break on the ball in zone defense.

If we can get just one of our DEs back, and Madison back, we can get back to respectable on defense. Thats a big IF though. Madison's hammy is gonna take some time to heal, and word on the street is our DEs are out for the season. If thats the case, you guys have the division in the bag.

If you want to beat us, its so simple right now. Off tackle runs, and sweeps to the outside. We can't stop it. We have a DT at DE, all you gotta do is run sweeps at him, and he lacks the speed to catch the rb to the corner, its guaranteed 4 yards every play. Once we adjust to the outside, now the interior opens up, and run right at it. Thats what Jacksonville and Chicago did. On pass plays, leave 6 guys in to block, you'll have all day, and just find the seems in our zones.

Our offense definately needs to step it up. Around here, the talk of the town is giving Eli the no huddle. He is just a different qb when he gets to call his own plays. TC has not commented on the matter, so we're all anxious to see if he will give Eli the freedom. The inherit flaw in TC's playbook, and the main reason why Eli plays better in the no huddle is the utilization of Shockey. In TC's book, he's a decoy, stretch receiver. When Eli calls the plays, he uses him as an intermediate/short route player and as a safety valve. I think thats a big reason why he plays so much better in the no huddle.

For example, this past game, Shockey caught 6 passes for 80ish yards. But, what most don't realize is, all 6 of those catches were when Eli ran the no huddle. Huffnagel did not call Shockey's # even once the entire game, and called his number only once against the Bears. Eli ran the no huddle on 4 drives, one resulted in a TD, the other wouldve been a TD had Carter not fumbled on the 8 yard line, 1 was a Plaxico dropped pass away from being in the redzone, and the other was 3 and out. Still much better than when TC runs the show. But regardless, Eli needs to step it up.

[Jdallas]

Shockey obviously should be more involved in the game, but the no-huddle isn't the answer. It takes more chances and while it may be more productive on offense, it can kill the defense. What happens when they go 3 and out on offense twice in a row and the defense just runs out of energy? Also, the no huddle, to a certain extent, is designed to work against teams with a more conservative defensive gameplan. It can cause a lot of turnovers is the defense is being more aggressive. The chance of a turnover is worth it late in the game when you're behind, but not when the score is 10-7 in the first.

[bigbluedefense]

Shockey obviously should be more involved in the game, but the no-huddle isn't the answer. It takes more chances and while it may be more productive on offense, it can kill the defense. What happens when they go 3 and out on offense twice in a row and the defense just runs out of energy? Also, the no huddle, to a certain extent, is designed to work against teams with a more conservative defensive gameplan. It can cause a lot of turnovers is the defense is being more aggressive. The chance of a turnover is worth it late in the game when you're behind, but not when the score is 10-7 in the first.

Well look at it this way, we're going 3 and out and turning it over anyway in the set offense. So whats there to lose? In fact, we turn it over and go 3 and out at a much higher rate in our base offense.

[D-Unit]

So now that we're done talking about that since it has nothing to do with the team...
What do you guys know about Travis Leffew G Louisville? I recognize the name, but don't remember too much about him. He played OT in college and was on the Packers practice squad before we signed him yesterday. Parcells said he was sort of a project.
Wow! Leffew, huh? Interesting. True, he spent the majority of his time at Louisville at tackle, but he also played guard for them early in his college career. He's a much better Guard prospect than a tackle prospect at the NFL level. His size is not ideal for a tackle. He needs to add strength. However, he's very intelligent and is a guy that could be a nice Utility lineman for us. Could be a nice surprise. He's been incredibly durable in college and I thought he was a 5th round prospect... Dunno where he ended up being picked, but I'm at least interested in seeing what he's got. There is some nice potential there. He received several awards in college... and I know Louisville has had a good OL. Jason Spitz was also on that line.

[D-Unit]

Shockey obviously should be more involved in the game, but the no-huddle isn't the answer. It takes more chances and while it may be more productive on offense, it can kill the defense. What happens when they go 3 and out on offense twice in a row and the defense just runs out of energy? Also, the no huddle, to a certain extent, is designed to work against teams with a more conservative defensive gameplan. It can cause a lot of turnovers is the defense is being more aggressive. The chance of a turnover is worth it late in the game when you're behind, but not when the score is 10-7 in the first.

Well look at it this way, we're going 3 and out and turning it over anyway in the set offense. So whats there to lose? In fact, we turn it over and go 3 and out at a much higher rate in our base offense.
The Giants were a prime candidate to be a team ravaged my injuries. When the schedules came out and the Giants were noted as the team with the toughest schedule, that was a telling sign. In addition, with all the preseason talk about how tough the NFC East was... and how we'd be beating up on each other... I was worried that we'd again be the team with the most injuries, but it looks like the Giants are that team.

[Paul]

If tomorrow game didn't look good enough, heres the players that will play tomorrow for the Bucs: S. Rice, J. Bolden, Quarles, Wyms and few others. There defense is screwed.

[bigbluedefense]

If tomorrow game didn't look good enough, heres the players that will play tomorrow for the Bucs: S. Rice, J. Bolden, Quarles, Wyms and few others. There defense is screwed.

Beware of the trap game.

But seriously...you guys have to win this one. Even if you show up halfass, you should still win it.

Looking ahead, the thought of Bob Whitfield blocking DeMarcus Ware is waking me up at night... :(

[D-Unit]

If tomorrow game didn't look good enough, heres the players that will play tomorrow for the Bucs: S. Rice, J. Bolden, Quarles, Wyms and few others. There defense is screwed.

Beware of the trap game.

But seriously...you guys have to win this one. Even if you show up halfass, you should still win it.

Looking ahead, the thought of Bob Whitfield blocking DeMarcus Ware is waking me up at night... :(
I thought Arizona was our trap game. I really felt that way. This time, I'm totally the opposite. I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing... Oh well... We'll see soon enough.

BP said that our coaching staff really prepared well starting last week for this game and that he's more prepared now than the past Thanksgiving games he's had in Dallas since coming here. That to me is a good sign at the very least.

If we get beat by a rookie QB on a bad team... We deserve coal in our stockings on Christmas morning.