Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[thule]

We have a first round bye clinched D...

[ny10804]

You guys should take easy these next two weeks and rest your players. :)

[Ward]

Yeah the bye is clinched, home field is not.

[thule]

Well here it is...three years down the road.

It's time to go back and take a look at the trade we made with the Bills to see who won.

We traded back and landed Julius Jones.

The following year with the Bills pick we selected Marcus Spears.

The question becomes would you rather have Spears and Jones or Steven Jackson....easy decision for me...we made the wrong move.

[Burns336]

Well here it is...three years down the road.

It's time to go back and take a look at the trade we made with the Bills to see who won.

We traded back and landed Julius Jones.

The following year with the Bills pick we selected Marcus Spears.

The question becomes would you rather have Spears and Jones or Steven Jackson....easy decision for me...we made the wrong move.

Def. the wrong move.

Parcells was still living in the past with his evaluation of players from Notre Dame. He thought he was getting some well disciplined, good character guy in Julius Jones and he really got a whiny baby who blames others for his shortcomings. Same as Spears as far as his attitude goes.

Thank God Jerry pushed for demarcus at 11 and spears at 20... If we were sitting here now looking back and saying "we could have have Jackson and Ware" it would be 10X worse

[thule]

Def. the wrong move.

Parcells was still living in the past with his evaluation of players from Notre Dame. He thought he was getting some well disciplined, good character guy in Julius Jones and he really got a whiny baby who blames others for his shortcomings. Same as Spears as far as his attitude goes.

Thank God Jerry pushed for demarcus at 11 and spears at 20... If we were sitting here now looking back and saying "we could have have Jackson and Ware" it would be 10X worse

If I look at it like that wow...that makes it sound better...yet another great jerry move. I just hopes he gets us McFadden...I don't care if it costs 3 firsts and a player...It needs to happen.

[Burns336]

If I look at it like that wow...that makes it sound better...yet another great jerry move. I just hopes he gets us McFadden...I don't care if it costs 3 firsts and a player...It needs to happen.

I would like to have him on the team, that is for sure.

I wish we would cut this JJ crap out and start using Marion full time though. We really only gave him 1 game to show that he could be a "close to full time" back and the o-line didn't give him much help. I want to know what he really is.

The only reason I say this is because I complain about not having a new CB every year and I finally thought this year CB would be automatic in the first.

McFadden will probably do things Barber never will do, but if Barber can be a pro-bowl caliber RB in the NFC Im not sure that I would rather have McFadden over Barber + 3 draft picks including a CB.

Its a tough call. McFadden has the potential to be a superstar and could make this offense more potent than the pats, but at what cost to our defense?

EDIT: for all the crap jerry gets, he is the reason T-new is here and he is the reason Ware is here. I know he has done some stupid stuff (overpaying FA, Joey Galloway trade) but we would be hating Bill Parcells right now had we gone with what he wanted in a few of the draft picks.

[thule]

I would like to have him on the team, that is for sure.

I wish we would cut this JJ crap out and start using Marion full time though. We really only gave him 1 game to show that he could be a "close to full time" back and the o-line didn't give him much help. I want to know what he really is.

The only reason I say this is because I complain about not having a new CB every year and I finally thought this year CB would be automatic in the first.

McFadden will probably do things Barber never will do, but if Barber can be a pro-bowl caliber RB in the NFC Im not sure that I would rather have McFadden over Barber + 3 draft picks including a CB.

Its a tough call. McFadden has the potential to be a superstar and could make this offense more potent than the pats, but at what cost to our defense?

EDIT: for all the crap jerry gets, he is the reason T-new is here and he is the reason Ware is here. I know he has done some stupid stuff (overpaying FA, Joey Galloway trade) but we would be hating Bill Parcells right now had we gone with what he wanted in a few of the draft picks.

Ya, while I think that McFadden is going to cost us ALOT. I really can't say it would be too much. Unless a back really impresses me up before the draft...I don't see an upgrade over a back like JJ. Sure Stewart might be an upgrade...but we don't know forsure...we would be taking a gamble. So while I would love to just draft a guy like Jones...I really can't say that it would be an upgrade...and we'd be able to run the ball more than pass and win. Right now our coaching staff doesn't believe we can do that. We don't run against 8 man fronts...and when we do it's unsuccessful.

Now I think it's become pretty obvious that we use the pass to set up the run...but if we are down by 4 points...and our defense is playing top notch ball....and our QB and Center are injured...we better have the confidence in our runningbacks to get first downs. Now you have to run the ball more than once in the 4th quarter...I mean we were down by a measily 4 pts...that was nothing..and romo was off all night.

Give me McFadden. I would trade both of our firsts and a future first plus carp for him. Basically 4 first round picks. What's it really cost us....well we lose a special teamer in Carp...which I think he plays a big part in. We lose 2 picks this year....but I think a CB is a lock...so lets say a guy like Mike Jenkins. Our 2nd pick in the first could go anywhere....Jerry says he wants offensive playmakers...so I would guess a WR...but we could go OT like D wants. We could even take a DL...but we have invested there quite a bit.

Do you see my point...our 2nd pick is almost like a luxary anyways...a WR that might not even break the top 3.....a CB that would be a nickel back...a OT to groom for the future...although we went there twice last year...and look to resign out LT for a couple more years.

I just don't think we give up all that much. If anything it might hurt us next year not having that first round pick....but it's almost a lock that we'll have a pick in the 25-32 range next year(barring huge injury only Romo takes us out of this range I think). We lose a backup player who hasn't really seen a snap all year. And we miss out on a nickel corner.

So when it comes down to it....you really have to ask yourself. Would you give up Carp....

What is your CB board like....is there really a big difference between a guy like Jenkins and a guy like Flowers.

Are you going to give up a pick in the top half of the draft next year?

I can honestly give positive answers to all of those questions. Only 2 CB's really are above the rest....and I'm less and less sold on that every day. We will have a late pick in 09...and Carp isn't anything but a special teamer.

So when it comes down to business....you resign your guys before FA...maybe make a splash for one guy....thinking maybe a WR to stretch the field...but we really don't even need to dip into FA this year.

With the reports coming out that we are looking to resign 3 or 4 more of our teams FA's...I think this draft is really becoming more clear. If guys like Reeves and Crayton and Flozell are being brought back...then I think it is about a 50% chance we are going to make a strong push for McFadden.

[D-Unit]

Keep the starters in until the games are put away. You never want to go into the playoffs on a losing streak or questionable end to the season. We did that last year and everyone was on Tony's case for crumbling at the end of the season. We need to finish out STRONG.

[M.O.T.H.]

If Tony continues to play like this...Jessica has gotta go.

In all seriousness though, you could kind of tell where this game was going from the beginning. Reminded me a lot of the Bills game, Tony missed a sure TD pass early and Sammy dropped a ball that he def. should have caught, he needs to learn to bring that ball into his body. When Tony misses those early opportunities or throws early costly picks (redzone INT), it does take him a while to get his groove back...and the thumb injury didnt help at all either. This was a real rough one...but, i wouldnt be worried just yet. I really think this team needed another loss to be honest...it will only help these guys....and Terry will be back soon so, it's all good...we're going to be fine.

Just wanted to add...Julius had no where to run today...be it a simple dive or pitch, our line gave him nothing...again.

[M.O.T.H.]

One last thing...people talk about how penalty prone Adams is, how about Colombo? The dude is a false start machine, this is becoming a theme with him.

[shane_man]

Thats two weeks of not much to NO involvement from Terrell Owens. I realise that Witten is catching everything thrown in his direction. But we just arent using our best and most talented reciever enough. Even with double coverage you still have to give T.O the opportunity to do something with the ball...

[Paul]

Thats two weeks of not much to NO involvement from Terrell Owens. I realise that Witten is catching everything thrown in his direction. But we just arent using our best and most talented reciever enough. Even with double coverage you still have to give T.O the opportunity to do something with the ball...

Well he was thrown to 9-10 times yesterday, and either it be due to drops or Romo being way off on his throw, we couldn't capitalize on it.

[Paul]

One last thing...people talk about how penalty prone Adams is, how about Colombo? The dude is a false start machine, this is becoming a theme with him.

2 on Colombo and 1 on Flozell yesterday I believe. Extremely stupid problem to have, especially at home.

[shane_man]

Well he was thrown to 9-10 times yesterday, and either it be due to drops or Romo being way off on his throw, we couldn't capitalize on it.

Admittedly I lost my connection for the second half of the game. But it seemed like Sam Hurd was targeted far more early on...

[Macarthur]

Thats two weeks of not much to NO involvement from Terrell Owens. I realise that Witten is catching everything thrown in his direction. But we just arent using our best and most talented reciever enough. Even with double coverage you still have to give T.O the opportunity to do something with the ball...


I think you have to give Philly some credit. They have two very good CBs and Crayton just doesn't give a good CB much of a threat. I think a game like yesterday makes you see why we need Glenn back.

[D-Unit]

The reason why we lost was because Jason Garrett COMPLETELY abandoned the running game with Marion Barber and Julia Jones got too many touches.

When your QB is having a bad day, you RUN the ball. Especially in a tight game. Geez.

[Macarthur]

I agree D-unit. I kept thinking one of two things. Either go no huddle and try to get Tony into some rhythum or just try to grind it out some with Barber.

[Burns336]

Ya, while I think that McFadden is going to cost us ALOT. I really can't say it would be too much. Unless a back really impresses me up before the draft...I don't see an upgrade over a back like JJ. Sure Stewart might be an upgrade...but we don't know forsure...we would be taking a gamble. So while I would love to just draft a guy like Jones...I really can't say that it would be an upgrade...and we'd be able to run the ball more than pass and win. Right now our coaching staff doesn't believe we can do that. We don't run against 8 man fronts...and when we do it's unsuccessful.

Now I think it's become pretty obvious that we use the pass to set up the run...but if we are down by 4 points...and our defense is playing top notch ball....and our QB and Center are injured...we better have the confidence in our runningbacks to get first downs. Now you have to run the ball more than once in the 4th quarter...I mean we were down by a measily 4 pts...that was nothing..and romo was off all night.

Give me McFadden. I would trade both of our firsts and a future first plus carp for him. Basically 4 first round picks. What's it really cost us....well we lose a special teamer in Carp...which I think he plays a big part in. We lose 2 picks this year....but I think a CB is a lock...so lets say a guy like Mike Jenkins. Our 2nd pick in the first could go anywhere....Jerry says he wants offensive playmakers...so I would guess a WR...but we could go OT like D wants. We could even take a DL...but we have invested there quite a bit.

Do you see my point...our 2nd pick is almost like a luxary anyways...a WR that might not even break the top 3.....a CB that would be a nickel back...a OT to groom for the future...although we went there twice last year...and look to resign out LT for a couple more years.

I just don't think we give up all that much. If anything it might hurt us next year not having that first round pick....but it's almost a lock that we'll have a pick in the 25-32 range next year(barring huge injury only Romo takes us out of this range I think). We lose a backup player who hasn't really seen a snap all year. And we miss out on a nickel corner.

So when it comes down to it....you really have to ask yourself. Would you give up Carp....

What is your CB board like....is there really a big difference between a guy like Jenkins and a guy like Flowers.

Are you going to give up a pick in the top half of the draft next year?

I can honestly give positive answers to all of those questions. Only 2 CB's really are above the rest....and I'm less and less sold on that every day. We will have a late pick in 09...and Carp isn't anything but a special teamer.

So when it comes down to business....you resign your guys before FA...maybe make a splash for one guy....thinking maybe a WR to stretch the field...but we really don't even need to dip into FA this year.

With the reports coming out that we are looking to resign 3 or 4 more of our teams FA's...I think this draft is really becoming more clear. If guys like Reeves and Crayton and Flozell are being brought back...then I think it is about a 50% chance we are going to make a strong push for McFadden.

The only thing holding me back from being 100% on board with this is that we dont know who marion barber is.

If he is just a "half of the load" complimentary back, than yes McFadden is worth whatever we have to pay. But if he is pro bowl caliber as I said before then Im not sure than I want him.

I look at it like this -- We get Mcfadden and that is pretty much the extent of our draft

OR

we find out what barber is, and if he pans out we keep him, get a CB plus some luxury picks, possibly a replacement for Julius Jones to take 5-7 carries a game.

McFadden Vs. Barber+CB+another first is what we are looking at.

Barber really is the make or break guy for everything. If I knew what Barber was it would be a no brainer, but I dont.

EDIT: How nice would it be if Barber turned out to be capable of shouldering the load and we Somehow got Kenny Phillips with our first pick, CB BPA with our second first, and a complimentary RB in the 2nd.... Of course this means we found something to do with roy williams, which isnt happening but it would be sick to see Hamlin at SS and Phillips at FS

[thule]

The only thing holding me back from being 100% on board with this is that we dont know who marion barber is.

If he is just a "half of the load" complimentary back, than yes McFadden is worth whatever we have to pay. But if he is pro bowl caliber as I said before then Im not sure than I want him.

I look at it like this -- We get Mcfadden and that is pretty much the extent of our draft

OR

we find out what barber is, and if he pans out we keep him, get a CB plus some luxury picks, possibly a replacement for Julius Jones to take 5-7 carries a game.

McFadden Vs. Barber+CB+another first is what we are looking at.

Barber really is the make or break guy for everything. If I knew what Barber was it would be a no brainer, but I dont.

I love barber as much as the rest...but he is a RFA after this year and will be due for FA in 09. So while I love him...I know if he turns out we are going ot have to pony up for him. Like you said if he is capable being the starter which I think he is it might be worth it. But I think the main reason barber hasn't been the feature back...is because he tends to move laterally too much. Now this isn't a huge problem with his because he is so hard to get to the ground...but if he is touching the ball 20+ times a game he could cost us a drive or two...which is points. Add that in to the fact...that he doesn't have game-breaking speed I think he is what he is. 50% of the running snaps is about right...put him with a guy like Maroney or McFadden...you have a serious tandem. But I just don't think you want him as a featured back...because of how lateral he tends to go.

You make it sound like with trading all those picks our draft is just McFadden. That isn't correct...because we have a 2nd round pick...and as I stated earlier...it's how you view this crop of CB's...if you don't see much seperation...then your not worried about waiting till the 2nd. That is really how it is set up right now.

So by trading your 1st round picks...you really put a lot of trust into your scouting department. Because lets face it if we landed a premier running back...and by premier I mean elite...LT good. And a 2nd tier CB...is it really that big of difference. Your more than likely going to be getting another player and a 2nd tier CB at our picks anyways. So basically you have to look a the other baggage...Carp and the 09 first...that is what it really comes down too imo.

You said it like this
McFadden Vs. Barber+CB+another first is what we are looking at.

I say it like this
McFadden and 2nd tier CB Vs. Barber+CB+another first+2nd day RB

The only thing that makes me weary of this trade is the #1 draft pick salary. That is going to be a ton of money....esspecially for a running back...you only pay that type of money for a QB/LT/CB so this is what worries me.

[D-Unit]

If we get McFadden, I'll be happy, but disappointed at the same time. If we don't get him, I'll just be happy. lol.

My preference is to pass on DMAC.

Barber is the man. There's no other way to put it. He's terribly undervalued by the guys on this board who think he's expendable, not worth the big contract or think he's replaceable. Fact of the matter is that he will cost big money to resign and he deserves it. There's no other RB in the NFL like him. Period. My only concern is that Jerry might be a fool and offer him something outrageously low that offends him and makes him want to shop elsewhere, where someone will appreciate him more.

I dunno if people realize this, but Barber is being severely underused. He can be so much more than what we've seen. It's terribly obvious to me that the reigns are being held back on him too tight. In my opinion he should be getting 75% of the snaps. Getting DMAC only keeps Barber on the bench more and I'm not in favor of that one bit.

Grab a RB in Round 3-5 and let him be happy taking 25% of the snaps and be ready to be the starter in case of an injury to Barber. That's all a complimentary back needs to be. We say we like DMAC because he is explosive, but he's not the only back like that in the draft. IMO, Alridge is the best fit for us, because he offers more to the table than DMAC as far as being an excellent downfield receiver.

Barber's heart epitomizes the kind of passion I'd like to see in every Cowboys player. I hope he retires a Cowboy very very badly.

[Gribble]

I really am disgusted by this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3158901

"It's frustrating right now. This is the part of the season that is going to be an emotional letdown," Romo said after the Eagles game.

It's just that Dallas struggled late in that Nov. 29 showdown against the Packers, and in the two games since. (From the article)

BTW, Roy has been suspended for 1 game.

[BX]

Williams has been suspended for one game, according to Mort on ESPN.

[Gribble]

Keyshawn just said flatly that Roy should be suspended. What a traitor.

[Burns336]

Lets hypothetically say we move up for DMAC... do you guys think Cason will still be on the board with our second pick?

I know he isn't rated as high as some of the other guys but I look at him as a young anthony henry. Hes long, lanky, and has a similar body type to henry. He has great ball skills. His main knock is that he may not have elite speed, but in this pressure oriented defense a bigger, more physical corner with good ball skills may be just what the doctor ordered.

[D-Unit]

Ooooh... we get to see what Matt Moore can do to our defense!!! :)

Gonna be fun. It was MOST DEFINITELY a mistake to let Moore go.

[D-Unit]

Lets hypothetically say we move up for DMAC... do you guys think Cason will still be on the board with our second pick?

I know he isn't rated as high as some of the other guys but I look at him as a young anthony henry. Hes long, lanky, and has a similar body type to henry. He has great ball skills. His main knock is that he may not have elite speed, but in this pressure oriented defense a bigger, more physical corner with good ball skills may be just what the doctor ordered.
He won't last to our second pick. Nope. Not happening.

[Gribble]

Ooooh... we get to see what Matt Moore can do to our defense!!! :)

Gonna be fun. It was MOST DEFINITELY a mistake to let Moore go.

Not like he was our QB of the future though... Plus, no Roy this week.

[Gribble]

He won't last to our second pick. Nope. Not happening.

Well, what if he runs a 4.6?

[Burns336]

He won't last to our second pick. Nope. Not happening.

Even with all that depth at CB?

you would be a better judge of that than I would be, but I was hoping depth of the draft and a slow 40 time would allow him to get to us.

[D-Unit]

Not like he was our QB of the future though... Plus, no Roy this week.
That's true. Good point. Makes me feel a little bit better about it.

[D-Unit]

Even with all that depth at CB?

you would be a better judge of that than I would be, but I was hoping depth of the draft and a slow 40 time would allow him to get to us.
I think he's the 3rd CB taken unless his 40 time is eye popping slow.

[Gribble]

That's true. Good point. Makes me feel a little bit better about it.

Wait... Which point?

In other news, I wouldn't mind having Johnson see some time this week if Romo isn't 100%.

[D-Unit]

Even with all that depth at CB?

you would be a better judge of that than I would be, but I was hoping depth of the draft and a slow 40 time would allow him to get to us.
There's always a chance. I'm coming around on him as a prospect. I liked him last year, then I started to not like him this year and now I'm starting to like him once again...

[D-Unit]

Wait... Which point?

In other news, I wouldn't mind having Johnson see some time this week if Romo isn't 100%.
The point about Moore not being our QB of the future.

The Cason point... uh.. if he runs a 4.6, do you still want him? I don't.

[Burns336]

The point about Moore not being our QB of the future.

The Cason point... uh.. if he runs a 4.6, do you still want him? I don't.

I actually saw the AZ game where Cason had 2 or 3 TD's. He was amazing. I think 2 int's and a punt return for a TD. My brother goes to school there so he's always been hyping him up. I never really bought into it, but after watching him a few times he seems like one of those guys who just has field quickness and is a good player even if the 40 time says otherwise.

[Gribble]

I actually saw the AZ game where Cason had 2 or 3 TD's. He was amazing. I think 2 int's and a punt return for a TD. My brother goes to school there so he's always been hyping him up. I never really bought into it, but after watching him a few times he seems like one of those guys who just has field quickness and is a good player even if the 40 time says otherwise.

I remember that. It was Senior Night for them against Oregon.

[Burns336]

I remember that. It was Senior Night for them against Oregon.

Yeah, it was the game that Dixon injured his knee in.

[Gribble]

The point about Moore not being our QB of the future.

The Cason point... uh.. if he runs a 4.6, do you still want him? I don't.

Not really.

[thule]

Cason isn't what I would call a physical corner....that post on the last page made it seem like he was Anthony Henry....I don't like that comparison at all. While he can play physical on a WR...that isn't his strength. He actually reminds me a lot of Leon Hall(who I was really high on last year) But Cason isn't exactly a stud. Now he has looked great in college...and I followed him closely last year and at the begining of this year. I just don't see a NFL physical set. He has the ability to lock up a WR at the college level...but something turns me off.

Most prospects coming out have that raw label...the he gets to tall in his backpedal...or he turns his hips too soon...or he isn't fluid in his hips. But Cason is perfect in all of those....he can play tight or sit back and read and react.

So I think from a prospect pov...if he runs in that 4.45-4.55 range he is basically what people expected. He will be a average corner in the league. He will be able to contribute right away...but he's one of those guys who has been so good for so long...you kind of have to wonder how high his ceiling goes. I think he has a high floor...maybe the most NFL ready corner in the draft...but I just don't think he has the ceiling to make him a top 3 corner in this draft. I think to a team like the Bucs or the Colts he garners first round grades...because he can be used to his strengths...but to a team like the cowboys...he probably only will garner a mid 2nd grade(barring sub 4.45 40) because of his ceiling.

[thule]

From a CB standpoint...if Wade truly does only like corners with size...I think we can eliminate some guys...as far as guys Wade would take a chance on I can think of a couple.

Malcolm Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Mike Jenkins
Jack Ikegwuonu
Dominque Rodgers
Charles Godfrey
Terrell Thomas
Zach Bowman


Those are all guys I think would tempt wade on the first day.

Guys I don't think we'll touch.
DeJuan Tribble
Antoine Cason
Leodis McKelvin
Tracy Porter

I just don't think that bunch play's physical enough to be a Wade corner....they seem to be that finese type corner.

If you noticed I brought up Rodgers name. I'm not sold on him...and obviously I haven't watched him enough to properly grade him....but if there was one corner that I thought could really catch the scouts eye in this draft it's Rodgers. He is a bit raw and could use some meat on his bones. But this kid has great size at 6-1 5/8 which I think is about right from what I've seen of him. He has great hips and is a dynamic athlete. Rumor has it that he is going to wow at the combine. I wouldn't be surprise to see a 4.35 out of him by the time prodays are over. If that is the case...Wade might just get excited...because we are talking about a kid who not only has everything you look for in a corner...but is also dynamic with the ball in his hands. I don't really like him to anyone specific...because although he has some Cromartie similarities as far as height and speed goes.....he doesn't have that NFL body core that Cromartie has...Cromartie is built like a tank...Rodgers is a bit frail. Depending on how things fall I think he might have a chance to put himself in the first round...but right now he is in that 2nd to 3rd round range...don't be surprised to see us take a close look at him come draft time.

[D-Unit]

Well, you're always hearing me talk about my favorite corners in this draft... I don't know if you know who they are, so let me just be clear...


D-Unit's Favorite 4 Corners (in no particular order)

Chevis Jackson - I dunno what it is about the guy that captures my attention, but when I watch LSU play, I'm constantly seeing this guy fly into the action. Whether it's a run play or pass play, Jackson is being a mad defender. A lot of corners are categorized as physical or you read that about them... but Jackson really does play a physical brand of football. He doesn't shy away from tackling RBs and he likes to mix it up with WRs whenever he gets the chance. His body motions are just smooth. He's extremely athletic and his production has been consistent all year. He's a big reason for LSU's defense being so tough this year. I think it's his swagger on field that makes me like him even more. I'd love for him to be roaming in our defense.

Mike Jenkins - Now it's starting to appear that he'll be drafted ahead of Malcolm Jenkins. Here I was ignoring Malcolm from my favorite list thinking he was too out of reach and now it might be Mike who is out of reach as well. This guy is amazing. His straight line speed is lighting fast. He's not a quick twitch guy, but he's got length to stretch out and knock passes away and can lay the wood like a safety. In fact, he was asked to play Safety occassionally for the Bulls just like Malcolm Jenkins at OSU. Mike's production has been steady all year. It's not like his stats come in bunches which can make it seem like the player is fluky. Jenkins is an awesome prospect who should do well in the NFL. His kick returning abilities are an added plus.

Terrell Thomas - Nothing gets by this guy. He's probably the best cover man defender of my favorite 4 corners. He plays smart, he plays hard and he plays with great instinct. Reminds me of a taller, more physical Charles Tillman type corner. Probably more lanky than Tillman, but it's his eye for the ball that reminds me of him. Always trying to strip the ball or cause a turnover. His run support tackling is great. Wraps up ball carriers well and knows how to get in position to make plays. An underrated corner, who teams will miss on. He will probably have a nice NFL career if he can stay healthy. I'm worried about his timed 40, but as far as instincts and game smarts go, he's top notch.

Charles Godfrey - Here's another guy who I think is flying under the radar. Statistically, he's had a great year. He already has an NFL build. I'm tired. Going to sleep. zzzzzzzzzz.......... bbl.

[thule]

For those of you that haven't yet...go check out Breer's tale of the tape on the dmn blog....it does a great job of breaking everything down...even get a peak at that 3-3 defense I posted about aka wades 4-6 defense.

[Gay Ork Wang]

The Eagles figured out Romo :P jk

[Modano]

In his first two years, Ware had a game in which he had at least 3 sacks. I think this trend will continue against the Panthers.

[JJJ888]

For those of you that haven't yet...go check out Breer's tale of the tape on the dmn blog....it does a great job of breaking everything down...even get a peak at that 3-3 defense I posted about aka wades 4-6 defense.

Breer's gonna be a superstar columnist one day.

[sirsmokealot28]

The Eagles figured out Romo :P jk

you mean....have always had romo figured out.....check your history book.

[Gribble]

you mean....have always had romo figured out.....check your history book.

Especially when the Cowboys went to Philly and won 38-17. Romo had a terrible game, going 20-25 with 3 TDs.

[M.O.T.H.]

Anyone see that Troy Hambrick was indicted on mutiple counts of drug charges? He was selling crack. ugh.

[Paul]

Anyone see that Troy Hambrick was indicted on mutiple counts of drug charges? He was selling crack. ugh.

With him and Q. Carter, our backfield a few years ago had couple winners there didn't it.

[Gribble]

Julius Jones: 9 carries, 25 yards.

I think he's done.

Barber: 22 carries, 110 yards. 5 ypc avg.

[M.O.T.H.]

Sucks about T.O. but, he should be fine by our playoff game...I'm not worried. I'm excited to get an extended look at Hurd and Austin next week. Sammy played a great game tonight...Miles made some plays but, he also looked awfully confused, I'm sure he'll be more prepared for next week. Tony played real well also, that thumb doesnt look to be big problem at all...he didnt throw that many bad passes. I still would love for him to sit next week...lets hope the Bears could score an upset...so, we can sit the bulk of the starters and go into the playoffs fresh.

[Gribble]

Gumbel was rooting against us the whole game. Really annoying... Romo really impressed me by bouncing back. Defense looked pretty good without Roy.

[M.O.T.H.]

The defense did play well...Newman started playing real soft when he got banged up and Jacque Reeves played horribly...again...but, other than that, they played well. The defensive line had a fantastic game, they were all making plays...5 sacks for our D, I believe. Not a bad days work.

[Paul]

I got to add, that that was the 2nd week in row our D-line played exceptional. Aside from that long run by Deangelo, they did a good job against the run. And with Ware and Ellis, they really turned up the pressure later in the game.

[M.O.T.H.]

Dont know if anyone said it but, Terry Glenn is expected to play next week.

[Gribble]

I got to add, that that was the 2nd week in row our D-line played exceptional. Aside from that long run by Deangelo, they did a good job against the run. And with Ware and Ellis, they really turned up the pressure later in the game.

Only good Carolina running plays were on cutbacks... We shut Foster down (4 carries for 9 yards) Reeves was pretty bad. The safeties didn't get involved and maybe that was for the best... Without T.O. we don't have anyone who can stretch the field effectively... I didn't really see what was wrong with Tank's sack, everyone said it was a hit to the head, but I didn't see it... Newman was pretty hobbled.

[apisallday]

I just got back from seeing your game at the bar .... so FWIW

1) Your injuries are concerning -- that loss last week cost you an extra week to heal.
2) You guys are having trouble getting the ball deep on Cover 2 -- with or without TO. Cover 2 teams (last two weeks), Buffalo, New England seem to slow you down if the safeties play well.
3) I just don't understand Julius Jones at all. Your O Staff needs to kill that experiment and go Barber. Barber makes plays. Jones is just awful.
4) Your coaching staff bungled a few time outs today. Cost you 3 points and cost you a time out in the second half (punt v go for it).
5) Your pass D is much better without Roy. Davis got his hands on two passes that Williams would have never touched. Steve Smith is Steve Smith and Newman was hurt.
6) Your backup Center is pretty damn good. I thought Jenkins was going to kill him and Kosier.
7) You need Terry Glenn -- if only for speed and route running. Crayton and the other dude who replaced TO got off press coverage but got no separation on press coverage.
8) Your MLB are pretty average. They seem to over run stretch plays and can easily be cut back on if the DL does not play monsterous. Williams run was a great example. I think the Green Bay run too.
9) Your DL is pretty damn good. You have 5 guys who could start on most teams.
10) That lead blocker FB is pretty bad. Misses most of his blocks.
11) Your kick off coverage really stinks.

............

[Modano]

Well i'm putting my money on the Bear. By the way, I watched the game with the flu, my head was exploding and i had 102 degrees of fever. That's what i call loyality :P

[Gribble]

I just got back from seeing your game at the bar .... so FWIW

1) Your injuries are concerning -- that loss last week cost you an extra week to heal.
2) You guys are having trouble getting the ball deep on Cover 2 -- with or without TO. Cover 2 teams (last two weeks), Buffalo, New England seem to slow you down if the safeties play well.
3) I just don't understand Julius Jones at all. Your O Staff needs to kill that experiment and go Barber. Barber makes plays. Jones is just awful.
4) Your coaching staff bungled a few time outs today. Cost you 3 points and cost you a time out in the second half (punt v go for it).
5) Your pass D is much better without Roy. Davis got his hands on two passes that Williams would have never touched. Steve Smith is Steve Smith and Newman was hurt.
6) Your backup Center is pretty damn good. I thought Jenkins was going to kill him and Kosier.
7) You need Terry Glenn -- if only for speed and route running. Crayton and the other dude who replaced TO got off press coverage but got no separation on press coverage.
8) Your MLB are pretty average. They seem to over run stretch plays and can easily be cut back on if the DL does not play monsterous. Williams run was a great example. I think the Green Bay run too.
9) Your DL is pretty damn good. You have 5 guys who could start on most teams.
10) That lead blocker FB is pretty bad. Misses most of his blocks.
11) Your kick off coverage really stinks.

............

Cover 2 is a pick'em and usually they'll double T.O. and leave Witten man-to-man on a LB, which is an easy pick for Romo. Crayton is a pure slot receiver - he doesn't stretch the field like T.O. and the Davis pick proved this as he was step for step with him. Overall on offense, I think we're way better in singleback with two TEs; this personnel:

Barber
Witten
Fasano
T.O.
Glenn/Crayton

This is the formation for us - we can run and pass extremely well. I want to see more of this formation. Seems like Witten is a better lead blocker than Hoyte is.

[pocketaces]

Jay Glazier just reported on the pregame that Bill Parcells was going after Jeff Ireland as his GM and would probably get him.:mad: :( :twisted:

[M.O.T.H.]

Jay Glazier just reported on the pregame that Bill Parcells was going after Jeff Ireland as his GM and would probably get him.:mad: :( :twisted:

Yeah...it's probably going to happen...we'll be getting compensation in return though.

[M.O.T.H.]

My guess is apisallday is also Rob.

[pocketaces]

My guess is apisallday is also Rob.


HAHAHA I was thinking the same thing. A toned down Rob...

[D-Unit]

A Green Bay loss could be coming today!!! Merry Christmas to all!!!

[M.O.T.H.]

PARTY AT ORTON'S!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.dabearsblog.com/images/013006/orton_dance.jpg
http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/08/deadspinhalloffameortonbig.jpg
http://www.tremendousupsidepotential.com/ko99999.jpg
http://www.chicagosoffensiveline.com/images/orton4.jpg

[Burns336]

well, here comes home field advantage guys! Merry Christmas to all.

Keith Davis didn't look half bad out there. Hopefully roy horsecollars someone against Washington and gets a multi game suspension.

Roy is wasted money at this point. I know he is a huge cap hit, but I think we just need to bite the bullet.

Lets hope the hyperbaric chamber does wonders on T.O.'s ankle.

[pocketaces]

So guys whats your expectations now? 13-3 is far better than anybody on here thought and we have homefield wrapped up. Is anything less than a trip to the Super Bowl a disappointment or do you consider this season a success with a playoff victory? Its been an amazing season especially with all the road wins, the fact that we are such a young team and have two 1st round draft picks makes our future look extremely bright. IMO if we win a playoff game but fall short of the Super Bowl it was still a great year with a lot to look forward to in the off season. What do you guys think?

[Modano]

My guess is apisallday is also Rob.

Yeah, mine too. He changed his style a lot, and now he's not even a cowboys fan! But really, a new poster makes his appereance right after rob's ban and he postes only in the Dallas Cowboys forum... hmm...

[Paul]

Week 17, Brad Johnson vs. Todd Collins, I doubt my television will be able to handle the epicness.

[M.O.T.H.]

Super Bowl or bust...anything less than a visit to the Bowl is a failure. Yeah, it's been a great year but, it's all for not if we don't get there.

[D-Unit]

SB would be great. It's been a fun season even if we lost, especially because I still think this is a team on the rise. By no means do I think we've arrived. However, I expected us to win the NFC East. We've done that. Had we not done that, I think our season could've been called a bust. What we've done isn't a bust if we don't get to the SB. We've got a free ride past Round 1 of the playoffs. Getting past that was as far as I thought we'd get. Before the season started, I had a hunch we'd screw up in the playoffs and not get to the SB. Hopefully, my hunch was/is wrong. I'd love to get there and get another chance versus the Brady Bunch.

[LSUALUM99]

I think winning the NFC East makes the season a success. Even if we lose the first playoff game I'm not going to be disappointed.

[LonghornsLegend]

LOL@the Orton pictures, thats certainly relevant today lol...But honestly I would take it as a dissapointment if we dont make the super bowl, because I feel we really are the best team in the NFC, and we should be able to win 2 games at home...Now if we lost to the Pats I wont be so dissapointed, but with our team we should make the super bowl this year and if we dont its going to be a let down...Which Seattle scares me the most in the NFC championship game with their wr sets they could spread us out, being that was the team we lost to last year I have a bad feeling about playing them

[M.O.T.H.]

We're the #1 seed...now if we were say just the NFC East winner and not one of the two teams that earned a 1st round bye...I could be happy w/ the season....but, I don't see how you could settle for anything less than the Super Bowl...given the way this season has turned out.

[LSUALUM99]

We're the #1 seed...now if we were say just the NFC East winner and not one of the two teams that received a 1st round bye...I could be happy w/ the season....but, I don't see how you could settle for anything less than the Super Bowl...given the way this season has turned out.


It's because I'm calling it a success based on my expectations before the season started. I don't think it's reasonable to have preseason expectations that were exceeded then call the season a failure because you adjusted your expectations after they were achieved.

Next season my preseason expections will be much higher so winning the Division won't be enough. For this season, I'm happy regardless.

[M.O.T.H.]

I cannot look at it that way. We now have a team that is considered among the elite in the league. They have proven that they are the best team in the NFC and have earned homefield through out the playoffs. If they don't get there it will be a big disappointment. So much changes after we set these pre-season expectations...I mean if we went 16-0 would you guys still be satisfied with a loss in the divisional round of the playoffs, just because we ended up winning the division?

[LSUALUM99]

I cannot look at it that way. We now have a team that is considered among the elite in the league. They have proven that they are the best team in the NFC and have earned homefield through out the playoffs. If they don't get there it will be a big disappointment. So much changes after we set these pre-season expectations...I mean if we went 16-0 would you guys still be satisfied with a loss in the divisional round of the playoffs, just because we ended up winning the division?


Ok but look at it this way. Lets say the Cowboys draft DMAC after some serious trades, somehow get Asante Samuel AND Randy Moss in the offseason from Free Agency. Going into the season they look like the best team in the NFL on paper by far.

First game of the season, Romo, Flozell, MBIII, TNEW, DWare, and TO all get put on IR for injuries. Somehow, after a terrible rash of injuries the Cowboys still manage to go 9-7 and miss the playoffs.

Given the original set of injuries the rest of the season acutally played out well but the team missed the playoffs despite the backups playing well.

Are you dissapointed at the end of the season considering how promising it started out? I am. I don't say the season is a success because, despite the injuries, the team played well enough to go 9-7.

To me, it's about where they finish relative to what I expected before the season starts. I can rationalize how things change, but I'd still be disappointed.

So, going into next year, I will be disappointed with anything less than a first round BYE in the playoffs.

[D-Unit]

I cannot look at it that way. We now have a team that is considered among the elite in the league. They have proven that they are the best team in the NFC and have earned homefield through out the playoffs. If they don't get there it will be a big disappointment. So much changes after we set these pre-season expectations...I mean if we went 16-0 would you guys still be satisfied with a loss in the divisional round of the playoffs, just because we ended up winning the division?
That's a little spoiled brat mentality if you ask me. Sure, the regular season was a great success. Was this success predicted? Not for me. Therefore we exceeded expectations and the season has been a success. Last season was a success imo too. I'm seeing a pattern of growing success and that satisfies me. In the playoffs anything can happen, so expecting us to go to the SB is pretty cocky. I think our team will have to fight for everything and play smart. Can they do it? I believe they have what it takes. Will they? We can only hope. I just hate when people have the idea that everything is failure if we don't get to the SB. It simply is not.

[M.O.T.H.]

Obviously anything can happen...but, they are the #1 seed, they have homefield throughout...therefore, they are pretty much the favorite and are expected to go deep into the playoffs and not falter at home in the divisional round. Why win so many games and earn yourself homefield, if your just going to blow it in your first playoff game? Winning the division is all fine and good but, this team is set up to do so much more. When the season began this team was talking super bowl, that's the ultimate goal...now, they set themselves up to get there and anything less is failing. Maybe this is just the mentality i have coming from a football background but, that's how i see it. A 13-14 win season is useless if they don't get to the Bowl. It's great that we improved as expected...but, the whole reason you play is to make it to the super bowl.

[combineking]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/122407dnspotaylor.1e0ce90.html

We are going to the SB, no doubt. We get back all our guys from injury and suspension by January.

[LonghornsLegend]

Good article, had some good points

And surely you remember all of the apprehension when Terry Glenn went down in training camp and needed surgery to repair his knee. All Patrick Crayton did was play well enough that the Cowboys are negotiating a long-term deal with his agent that will include a signing bonus of at least $5.5 million.


looks like he will probably be back for a couple more years, good move if it happens, I figured with him being a local guy and loving Texas he would stay...

But it's up to the Cowboys to take advantage of their good fortune. Or whatever you want to call it.

That's the mistake the Mavericks made a couple of years ago. They didn't win a championship when they had an opportunity, and it haunts them daily.



Exactly my point, as great as a season as the Mavs had, not winning the championship was a failure, it has nothing to do with preseason expectations, it has to do with how talented and disciplined your team is...The Chargers were dissapointed last year as well...No one saw us this good but why settle now that we have gotten here, there is no reason 2 believe we cant win 2 home games, a good team should win at home especially with the year we had

[D-Unit]

Obviously anything can happen...but, they are the #1 seed, they have homefield throughout...therefore, they are pretty much the favorite and are expected to go deep into the playoffs and not falter at home in the divisional round. Why win so many games and earn yourself homefield, if your just going to blow it in your first playoff game? Winning the division is all fine and good but, this team is set up to do so much more. When the season began this team was talking super bowl, that's the ultimate goal...now, they set themselves up to get there and anything less is failing. Maybe this is just the mentality i have coming from a football background but, that's how i see it. A 13-14 win season is useless if they don't get to the Bowl. It's great that we improved as expected...but, the whole reason you play is to make it to the super bowl.
Obviously the players have that mentality, but to them it's SB WIN or bust. Just making it to the SB isn't their goal. That's the only mentality they have to have. At the same time, if they don't win the SB, I highly doubt they have nothing good to come away with from this past season. A bust means, nothing good comes of it. It means the season was a total failure. If fans want to say this season was a bust and total failure, then they are just ingrates.

[Modano]

I we'll go to the SB we better win it. Almost every SB loser took a major step-back the year after...

[703SKINS202]

Wow it doesnt get much better than this for skins fans.... everything went right for us today and if we beat you guys we get to go to the playoffs! Likewise, cowboys have a shot to knock us out which I know Jerry would love to do. Just wondering if there are any early reports on how u guys are gonna approach the game because u have nothing to play for really and need to make sure your starters are healthy for the playoffs. I cant wait, WE WANT DALLAS!

[falconsrule]

Do you guys think you will resign Flozell Adams afters this season?

[Gribble]

Do you guys think you will resign Flozell Adams afters this season?

I believe so. He's shut down everyone this year.

[M.O.T.H.]

Wow it doesnt get much better than this for skins fans.... everything went right for us today and if we beat you guys we get to go to the playoffs! Likewise, cowboys have a shot to knock us out which I know Jerry would love to do. Just wondering if there are any early reports on how u guys are gonna approach the game because u have nothing to play for really and need to make sure your starters are healthy for the playoffs. I cant wait, WE WANT DALLAS!

You cannot handle Brad Johnson. Johnson to Hurd all day. :)

[combineking]

Ny Cowboys Christmas Wish List

1) Beat Washington
2) Cleveland Loses
3) Giants beat the Cheatriots
4) Roy comes back from suspension and gets and INT and FF for TD and proves once again he is a force in the NFL.
5) TO is good to go.
6) Julius Jones joins Barbarian in the 100 yard club.
7) DeMarcus leads the league in sacks.
8) Tony gets 40 TDs
9) Phillips and Garrett team together to become the best coaches in Cowboys history
10) Super Bowl win over the Patriots. 35 - 10.

[pocketaces]

[QUOTE=combineking;802057]Ny Cowboys Christmas Wish List

1) Beat Washington
2) Cleveland Loses
3) Giants beat the Cheatriots
4) Roy comes back from suspension and gets and INT and FF for TD and proves once again he is a force in the NFL.
5) TO is good to go.
6) Julius Jones joins Barbarian in the 100 yard club.
7) DeMarcus leads the league in sacks.
8) Tony gets 40 TDs
9) Phillips and Garrett team together to become the best coaches in Cowboys history
10) Super Bowl win over the Patriots. 35 - 10.



Well at least your not asking for much.:)

[Modano]

After we won against the Redskins in the first meeting, I thought we were gonna lose only another game, the other one against Washington. But now that we've lost to the Eagles, I have a feeling that we're gonna beat them, even with some of our backups playing...

[Modano]

I'm working on the new Ware HR and I find out that youtube deleted my account... I hate the NFL, they keep deleting videos related to professional football and the account of the ones who make it. Really, is a video on youtube as dangerous for their business as they think? Are they gonna lose a lot of money because I made an highlight video of Marion Barber? Blah...

[Burns336]

I'm working on the new Ware HR and I find out that youtube deleted my account... I hate the NFL, they keep deleting videos related to professional football and the account of the ones who make it. Really, is a video on youtube as dangerous for their business as they think? Are they gonna lose a lot of money because I made an highlight video of Marion Barber? Blah...

that sucks dude. it's ********. i've gone back to watch some of your vids and they are always gone.

[Modano]

that sucks dude. it's ********. i've gone back to watch some of your vids and they are always gone.

For you and for everyone, if you want my videos I can send them to you. Just PM me ;)

[The Legend]

just wondering what do you guys think bobby carpenter trade vaule is? .... do you guys think you can get a 1st round for him?

[BX]

I think it's clear after today's game that Dallas needs an infusion of talent in the secondary.

We were bitched out all day today by the Redskins passing attack.

[thule]

I wish I would have had the game...didn't doug free play?

[M.O.T.H.]

Sammy Hurd has looked awesome today...Miles has looked great on occassion as well...he's beating everyone he's line up against. We dont need a WR at all next year.

On different note...I am super pissed that we played our starters that long in a freaking wintery mix. Are you kidding me? This is a meaningless game, Romo should have never seen the field.

[Gribble]

I think it's clear after today's game that Dallas needs an infusion of talent in the secondary.

We were bitched out all day today by the Redskins passing attack.

Newman and Ratliff didn't play, so I don't know how much you can take out of this game.

[Burns336]

Newman and Ratliff didn't play, so I don't know how much you can take out of this game.

Well Courtney Brown certainly isn't ready to see the field, so everyone can stop that. Alan Ball was always a step behind, but he was brought into action fairly quick.

Reeves will never be more than the nickel corner. His cushions are unbelievably big. I cant believe we made it this far with him starting... That is actually impressive.

Good thing Newman and Henry will be starting in the playoffs.

[KILLERSANTA]

Since I'm ban from the Off-topic fourm. Still no one has told me why. I will tell the joke in here.


What turns 3rd & 10 into 1st & 10?








Jacques Reeves

[pocketaces]

Sammy Hurd has looked awesome today...Miles has looked great on occassion as well...he's beating everyone he's line up against. We dont need a WR at all next year.

On different note...I am super pissed that we played our starters that long in a freaking wintery mix. Are you kidding me? This is a meaningless game, Romo should have never seen the field.


Except when he was dropping T.D. passes.:mad:

[BX]

Newman and Ratliff didn't play, so I don't know how much you can take out of this game.

That's what I'm saying. If Newman were to go down with another injury, the quality of our secondary is dramatically reduced. We need some young, talented guys to be backups, for now. Ball and Reeves are NOT the answer

We've spent so much time and effort in stocking our line and linebacker corps, all the while ignoring the secondary, for all intents and purposes. The addition of Hamlin turned out to be a stroke of genius, but we're still getting torched.

It's time for Jerry to use some of that money on the CB position.

[M.O.T.H.]

Except when he was dropping T.D. passes.:mad:

Yeah, he needs to work on those hands...everything else is coming along nicely.

Back to Jacque Reeves...we better not re-sign him, he is just awful and he is not going to get better. He's a 4th corner at best, imo...he's too weak to play nickel on a consistant basis. He's the same player he was when he was forced to play in his rookie year. He hasnt gotten any better. He has got to go.

[thule]

I'm really keeping my eye out for Deangelo Hall this offseason...IDK what it would take and a lot hinders on who the head coach is...but that would give us tremendous secondary....and we all see what that can do with a team like the eagles...

[Macarthur]

My question is how good is Hall and what would it take to get him?

[Gribble]

Well Courtney Brown certainly isn't ready to see the field, so everyone can stop that. Alan Ball was always a step behind, but he was brought into action fairly quick.

Reeves will never be more than the nickel corner. His cushions are unbelievably big. I cant believe we made it this far with him starting... That is actually impressive.

Good thing Newman and Henry will be starting in the playoffs.

Yeah, Reeves has some issues. Why is he giving so much cushion as a "speed" guy? Plus, the scheme works better with bump and run/physical corners and he doesn't play that way.

[Gribble]

That's what I'm saying. If Newman were to go down with another injury, the quality of our secondary is dramatically reduced. We need some young, talented guys to be backups, for now. Ball and Reeves are NOT the answer

We've spent so much time and effort in stocking our line and linebacker corps, all the while ignoring the secondary, for all intents and purposes. The addition of Hamlin turned out to be a stroke of genius, but we're still getting torched.

It's time for Jerry to use some of that money on the CB position.

Oh. Gotcha.

[Gribble]

Since I'm ban from the Off-topic fourm. Still no one has told me why. I will tell the joke in here.


What turns 3rd & 10 into 1st & 10?








Jacques Reeves

I thought it was Roy Williams... Darn.

[Burns336]

I was reading an article at DMN and when reading the comments below I read a post where someone claimed Miles Austin had really bad hands in college too. Anyone know if this is true? The guy looks like he can get open well enough, but dropping 2 td passes isn't a way to buy playing time on this team. He really could have bought himself some credibility in this game had he made those grabs.

lets hope this doesn't need to be figured out until next year

[Gribble]

Well, DMN is running up the white flag for the playoffs. Apparently we're not getting out of the divisional round. It's really nasty over there... Guys are calling for Wade, Garrett, and Romo to lose their jobs in the comments... That's ridiculous.

[Paul]

Well, DMN is running up the white flag for the playoffs. Apparently we're not getting out of the divisional round. It's really nasty over there... Guys are calling for Wade, Garrett, and Romo to lose their jobs in the comments... That's ridiculous.

Ha. As long as they don't make there way on to these boards they can overreact all they want. That is just ridiculous.

[D-Unit]

Well, DMN is running up the white flag for the playoffs. Apparently we're not getting out of the divisional round. It's really nasty over there... Guys are calling for Wade, Garrett, and Romo to lose their jobs in the comments... That's ridiculous.
Fair weather fans... that's all I gots to say.

[D-Unit]

I'm really keeping my eye out for Deangelo Hall this offseason...IDK what it would take and a lot hinders on who the head coach is...but that would give us tremendous secondary....and we all see what that can do with a team like the eagles...
In that sentiment... the guy I'm really keeping my eye on is Detroit's Roy Williams. He seems disgruntled there and wants to play closer to home... A mildly interesting story to say the least.

I think we could interest Detroit with Marcus Spears or Bobby Carpenter plus a draft pick. Hey maybe they'd even take Akin Ayodele off our hands! Can't forget about Burnett either. I love him, but so do other teams who would surely ask for him.

Or would they be interested in a mixed package that included Roy Williams for Roy Williams? OH my!

[Macarthur]

You think they would take our Roy and Carp for their Roy? I'm thinking I want to see Spears in the playoffs this year. He appears to be picking up steam. He could be poised for a strong playoff run.

[M.O.T.H.]

I was reading an article at DMN and when reading the comments below I read a post where someone claimed Miles Austin had really bad hands in college too. Anyone know if this is true? The guy looks like he can get open well enough, but dropping 2 td passes isn't a way to buy playing time on this team. He really could have bought himself some credibility in this game had he made those grabs.

lets hope this doesn't need to be figured out until next year

I dont know what they are talking about...he went to Monmouth which isnt too far from where I live. He used to let a lot of footballs into his chest but, he didnt drop a whole lot. He holds just about every Monmouth receiving record...this includes receptions...he was a fantastic player and his hands were never really a problem. He's still pretty unpolished but, he does possess great potential...we stole this kid and it may pay off big time down the road. At times no one can cover him...we just havent been able to get him the ball on the deeper routes...he had an easy TD yesterday if Johnson didnt under throw the ball.

[Burns336]

I dont know what they are talking about...he went to Monmouth which isnt too far from where I live. He used to let a lot of footballs into his chest but, he didnt drop a whole lot. He holds just about every Monmouth receiving record...this includes receptions...he was a fantastic player and his hands were never really a problem. He's still pretty unpolished but, he does possess great potential...we stole this kid and it may pay off big time down the road. At times no one can cover him...we just havent been able to get him the ball on the deeper routes...he had an easy TD yesterday if Johnson didnt under throw the ball.

yeah, well this dude was saying he had watched 3 Monmouth games and that Austin was a drop machine. I didn't feel like he could be blamed last night, it looked like on the first drop he tried to run before securing the ball, which I understand for a guy getting one of his only chances to play and in bad weather. Austin looks really excited to be out there, lets hope he's got the work ethic this off season to make it work.

But yeah, people over at the DMN are nuts. They were hating on Hurd too. I think people fail to realize these guys were undrafted scrubs when we found them and could both potentially see significant playing time in the future.

[M.O.T.H.]

Well...that dude is wrong...I'm sure, I've seen him play a lot more than that guy. As for Hurd...I don't see how you could hate on him at all at this point...he has had a terrific season. He is really coming along nicely and he is developing much quicker than I thought he would. Like I said, he could start tomorrow and play very well if we needed him to.

[thule]

My question is how good is Hall and what would it take to get him?

Hall was a top 5 corner this year....he was definately a pro-bowl snub.

As far as what it would take to get him...depends on the HC..but if Hall isn't sold I think we can steal him. I would say he has top 10 value...Our early 1st and our 09 first would be a perfect deal for both teams imo....

[Burns336]

Hall was a top 5 corner this year....he was definately a pro-bowl snub.

As far as what it would take to get him...depends on the HC..but if Hall isn't sold I think we can steal him. I would say he has top 10 value...Our early 1st and our 09 first would be a perfect deal for both teams imo....

2 firsts?

He's good, but I would hate giving up that much for a guy. How about a first and big Bobby Carp haha.

[Gribble]

Jonathan Stewart: 23 carries for 253 yards today against USF.

I'm just saying...

[Burns336]

Jonathan Stewart: 23 carries for 253 yards today against USF.

I'm just saying...

I know he had a 70 something yard run, right?

Did anyone see this game? Im curious to know if Stewart Outran Mike Jenkins or Trae Williams because that would be a testament to his field speed.

[Gribble]

I know he had a 70 something yard run, right?

Did anyone see this game? Im curious to know if Stewart Outran Mike Jenkins or Trae Williams because that would be a testament to his field speed.

On the long run he didn't blow away from the rest of the pack - one of his WRs threw a block at the very end, although it looked like he was slowing down. Still, he had a monster game against the team that held Kevin Smith to something like 55 yards... pretty good showing.

[Primo North]

Didn't really know under which topic to post this...

I live in Oklahoma and while listening to the OK st bowl game on the local radio station, the sideline reporter interviewed Tatum Bell (OSU alum). After speaking about the game Robert Dean brought up the fact that Bell was a free agent and ask if he could give any insight on the situation...

Bell went on to say that he really wanted to get out of Detroit and that he had been contacted by about 6 teams. He said he was "in talks" with Dallas and Houston. At the end of the interview be did say that none of the talks where too serious but, I wanted to see what everyone thought bout this possibility?

I always stop by and read the opinions but I've never really had anything till now...

[Gribble]

Didn't really know under which topic to post this...

I live in Oklahoma and while listening to the OK st bowl game on the local radio station, the sideline reporter interviewed Tatum Bell (OSU alum). After speaking about the game Robert Dean brought up the fact that Bell was a free agent and ask if he could give any insight on the situation...

Bell went on to say that he really wanted to get out of Detroit and that he had been contacted by about 6 teams. He said he was "in talks" with Dallas and Houston. At the end of the interview be did say that none of the talks where too serious but, I wanted to see what everyone thought bout this possibility?

I always stop by and read the opinions but I've never really had anything till now...

I kinda see Julius Jones and Tatum Bell as clones... Maybe I'm off, but that's what comes to mind.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

isn't it tampering to be talking to players now?

[Primo North]

I kinda see Julius Jones and Tatum Bell as clones... Maybe I'm off, but that's what comes to mind.

I agree for the most part. Bell is faster but he always seem to get nagging injuries that keeps him out of a few games a year. Plus, he obviously has a problem with splitting time considering the way he handled the return of Kevin Jones by demanding a trade.
And he isn't known for his vision...

[Primo North]

isn't it tampering to be talking to players now?

I didn't think players could be contacted officially by teams until the end of the playoffs but i'm not sure how that works. He was vague about what was said, when, and in what manner of communication between the two...
But like i said, he made a point to add that no serious talks were going on. Maybe the teams that contacted him or his representative, did so only to express interest in a round-about way.

That would be my guess but, in my 1st post I was just paraphrasing what he said.

[thule]

As scary as it is...I'm rooting for the Redskins and Giants this week...if both teams win...CLE's draft pick moves up...and I don't think Collins or Manning can beat a healthy dallas team. Although after the Seahawks dominated the first half...they are getting banged up and losing their luster...

[Gribble]

Todd Collins is pretty good... Can't believe I'm saying that.

[LSUALUM99]

As scary as it is...I'm rooting for the Redskins and Giants this week...if both teams win...CLE's draft pick moves up...and I don't think Collins or Manning can beat a healthy dallas team. Although after the Seahawks dominated the first half...they are getting banged up and losing their luster...

I was under the impression we were locked in at the 22nd pick with Cleveland now.

[GB12]

I was under the impression we were locked in at the 22nd pick with Cleveland now.
Yeah, by the Browns not making the playoffs their pick was set already.

[Go Cowboys]

Yeah, by the Browns not making the playoffs their pick was set already.
Actually if Tampa Bay or Washington were to get to the Super Bowl we would then move to the 21st pick. With that said since Washington lost the only way to move up would be if Tampa wins the NFC (Which I would rather not have happen)

[thule]

Why wouldn't the pick move up in the Giants won? both teams would be 10-6 and CLE would have the lower SOS...

[Im_a_Romosexual]

I think it only the regular season counts, so unless they make the super bowl, the picks stay the same.

(since the teams playing in the super bowl automatically get 31&32)

[Go Cowboys]

Why wouldn't the pick move up in the Giants won? both teams would be 10-6 and CLE would have the lower SOS...
Because the Giants are picking 26th right now... How would we move down when they would pick after us already? Like I said our only way at getting the 21st pick is if Tampa Bay wins the NFC.

[thule]

O ok...I didn't know that records were cut off after the regular season...now I understand...and I meant if TB won...just came out wrong.

[pocketaces]

So what do you guys think? I was really hoping for the Bucs because its hard to beat a good team three times in a year. The good news, we're at home and the Giants have had back to back emotional games. We don't have to worry about Shockey but their offense looked pretty good today. I think we'll win but I think its going to be close.

[Gribble]

I'm cautiously optimistic. It depends on how T.O. is feeling. If he's good to go, then we should win comfortably, if not, we're in some trouble. Both games this season were broken open by T.O.

[LSUALUM99]

Well, I think that it may be hard to beat the same team 3 times in a season, but I also think beating a team 2 times in a season means you're a better team.

They are missing Shockey who has traditionally given the Cowboys' defense fits.

I have maintained that I believe Eli Manning to be a very average NFL quarterback and I'd rather face him than most other QB's in the playoffs. I think the Cowboys win the game by 10+ points.

[leroyisgod]

Going into the wild card games I wanted to play Tampa Bay out of the three possible teams. I felt that we could beat them whether or not TO was going to play next week. Whether TO plays or not, the pressure is really going to be on the defense. Shockey being out is going to help us out big time, but Plaxico always ends up burning us. The Giants are going to stack the line and make us beat them through the air. We're going to need to beat them with the shot passing game.

[Burns336]

Well as hard as it is for us to beat them 3 times in 1 season, it should be just as hard for Eli to have 3 "good" games in a row. The giants have also won their last 8 road games. That streak has got to stop somewhere.

All that being said, we need to watch Kevin Boss. He could be a sleeper x-factor in this game. We can't sleep on the TE just because Shockey is out. It seems to me that Boss is getting more passes thrown his way than shockey was anyways.

Both corners are final healthy and I dont believe Eli has had to play both of them starting yet this year. We just got our asses handed to us by Washington. And this is a rival game against a team who has had a lot to say about the boys this year. I think the motivation for our team is there. We just need to execute. But yes, this game does scare me and I would have prefered Tampa and their crappy offense.

[Gribble]

I think the Giants are sleeping on us a little bit... They're the toast of the town right now and we're down in the dumps. I'm excited.

[Modano]

I think it all depends on how motivated this team will be on gameday. If they come out and play as they did all season, we should won the game.
The Giants are an hot team now, but so were the Redskins, the Seahawks (who had some struggles in december) came out strong and kicked them in the ass.

[D-Unit]

If we give them a good dose of Marion Barber, we will win. If we stick Julius out there... say hello to full time NFL Draft talk.

[Macarthur]

It's kinda funny how the Giants are the sexy pick right now.

They played well against the Pats, but they lost 2 or their last three to end the season, and TBs offense sucks.

I could see this one being a blow out. Who has hurt Dallas badly? Plax & Shockey. Shockey is out so I think they clamp down on Plax and focus on stopping the run. I think Dallas wins by 21 or more.

Also, lets not forget how beneficial the bye week is. At this time of the year, guys legs can get really tired and some have said they feel like they're running in quick sand. I think the energy expended by the Giants catches up with them and Dallas just cruises in this one.

[Gribble]

It's kinda funny how the Giants are the sexy pick right now.

They played well against the Pats, but they lost 2 or their last three to end the season, and TBs offense sucks.

I could see this one being a blow out. Who has hurt Dallas badly? Plax & Shockey. Shockey is out so I think they clamp down on Plax and focus on stopping the run. I think Dallas wins by 21 or more.

Also, lets not forget how beneficial the bye week is. At this time of the year, guys legs can get really tired and some have said they feel like they're running in quick sand. I think the energy expended by the Giants catches up with them and Dallas just cruises in this one.

Good point about the bye week. When the team had it during the season it was before the Eagles game at Philly. That game was a 38-17 victory against the Jim Johnson defense that is the model on which the Giants defense is run.

[Modano]

If we give them a good dose of Marion Barber, we will win. If we stick Julius out there... say hello to full time NFL Draft talk.

Combined with an heavy dose of the original 81 ;)

[thule]

What are you guys most excited for this weekend.

Mines got to be seeing TG shredding that secondary....I can't wait to see this guy stretch the field..I'm expecting one catch over 20 yards...he was huge to our offense last year..and we have already been this good without him...can't wait.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/PF/sept05/TerryGlenn01.jpg

[Modano]

What are you guys most excited for this weekend.

Mines got to be seeing TG shredding that secondary....I can't wait to see this guy stretch the field..I'm expecting one catch over 20 yards...he was huge to our offense last year..and we have already been this good without him...can't wait.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/PF/sept05/TerryGlenn01.jpg

I'm excited about TO. He has been amazing this season, and he usually plays like a man possesed in the playoffs. He's 33 and he knows his chances of winning a SB are getting smaller every year, so I expect big things from him during this playoffs.

[Burns336]

Im excited for terry as well. I'm still unsure how well he will be able to perform, but if he can play like he did last year for these final games, it would add a whole new dimension to offense. The run game should benefit from having both him and T.O. on the field at the same time. things across the middle should open up for witten. This could be huge for us.

[leroyisgod]

I actually got all home play-off tickets for this season because I bought season tix for next year. I'm planning on attending this week's game and probably selling the one's for the championship game. I live in LA and it's too much to travel back and forth like that. So the thing I'm most looking forward to is just being there for the game. I've never been to an NFL play-off game, let alone one in Dallas.

[Burns336]

I actually got all home play-off tickets for this season because I bought season tix for next year. I'm planning on attending this week's game and probably selling the one's for the championship game. I live in LA and it's too much to travel back and forth like that. So the thing I'm most looking forward to is just being there for the game. I've never been to an NFL play-off game, let alone one in Dallas.

Thats rad. I wish I had the initiative to travel over there and go to the game.

[BigDawg819]

Alright Cowboy fans, I got a question that I need some insight on. With all these teams interviewing Garrett, not to mention that he is reportedly interviewing well, and Jerry Jones mancrush on him; depending on how this season turns out will Jerry fire Wade Phillips just so as not to lose Jason Garrett? Any insight on my thought is greatly appreciated.

[kingjames]

Alright Cowboy fans, I got a question that I need some insight on. With all these teams interviewing Garrett, not to mention that he is reportedly interviewing well, and Jerry Jones mancrush on him; depending on how this season turns out will Jerry fire Wade Phillips just so as not to lose Jason Garrett? Any insight on my thought is greatly appreciated.

Well the skinny on the talk shows is if Wade loses he is fired. Not my idea, just repeating.

That way Jerry Jones can keep his coach.

[M.O.T.H.]

So much changes on here in 10 days...it's crazy.

I'm so nervous this time of the year...this game just needs to get here already.

[NOSH]

I think Garrett would be crazy to jump ship for a head coaching job with another team right now. All of those teams are in rebuilding mode and he will be the next Cowboys coach. He's still young so he has plenty of time to learn the ropes before he takes over. Plus, imo he owes Jerry Jones for hiring him. Everyone questioned the move, now everyone wants him.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

I think Garrett is great, but it would be unfair to fire Phillips after one year. He has a pretty good track record in big D so far.

By the way, I will be attending my first Cowboys game ever this weekend. Found a ticket (nosebleeds, I think). I will be sitting by myself, but really dont care. I am really excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have waited a long time to go to a game.

[Paul]

I think Garrett is great, but it would be unfair to fire Phillips after one year. He has a pretty good track record in big D so far.

By the way, I will be attending my first Cowboys game ever this weekend. Found a ticket (nosebleeds, I think). I will be sitting by myself, but really dont care. I am really excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have waited a long time to go to a game.

Nice man. You'll enjoy it no matter where you sit. Especially in a playoff game. I went to my first game this season also (St. Louis Game) and got to witness the botched shotgun snap, and the ridiculous Romo scramble after. It was awesome. Nothing compares to going to a live game. Hope you have a good time, and hopefully watch the Boys beat up on the Gmen.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

I am really pumped!!!

I have to say, the Gmen always worry me. The defensive ends are havok wreakers. I hope we stomp them, but I have an uneasy feeling.

[Jughead10]

I know a thread a little below this said Owens practiced on Monday. But I'm not sure that is true. I read he did a little bit of a walk through the other day, but then couldn't even do that yesterday. Don't know what he did today. Is this all correct?

[leroyisgod]

I know a thread a little below this said Owens practiced on Monday. But I'm not sure that is true. I read he did a little bit of a walk through the other day, but then couldn't even do that yesterday. Don't know what he did today. Is this all correct?

According to this blog he practiced today.

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/blogs/bigshotblurbs/archive/2008/1/10/1055615.aspx

Like the blog stated, we'll have to wait and see what Phillips says in his press conference today.

[Jughead10]

According to this blog he practiced today.

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/blogs/bigshotblurbs/archive/2008/1/10/1055615.aspx

Like the blog stated, we'll have to wait and see what Phillips says in his press conference today.

Yeah, I actually just read that in a different blog. Although the other blog said he wasn't making cut at all and was rounding out all his routes. I was just confused because a thread a bit lower than this said he practice Monday which I was lead to believe was completely false.

[Burns336]

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2008/1/10/19626/6074

[D-Unit]

Logic says we'll lose. But don't worry folks...

I'm Guranteeing a victory! LOL! Das right! D-Unit is guaranteeing it! Put that on your bulletin boards Giants fans!!!

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

I was thinking logic would say we should win. I still think we have more talent than the semen gmen. If we lose, I will have to hear it at work from the cowboy haters...

[LSUALUM99]

Well, folks, to solve any crime you have to follow the money. Always follow the money trail and you eventually end up with the true mastermind.

The Vegas Lines for the game are as follows:

To win $100 on the money line (straight up win, no points) you have to lay $330 on the Cowboys. (Thus Vegas is figuring a 3:1 odd of the Cowboys winning straight up since the $30 is the juice that you lay up front in Vegas instead of paying on the back end with a local bookie).

Dallas is a 7.5 point favorite, up from 7 point favorite Monday. This means more money is flowing to the Dallas side than the NY side at 7 points.

For those of you that don't bet or who aren't familiar with a way a bookie makes money; Vegas doesn't care who wins. The lines are floating because Vegas, in a perfect scenario, would want the exact amount of money bet on both sides of the bet. Vegas wants to even out the bets because Vegas (and I use the term Vegas to be symbolic of any entity taking money on the games) wins the Juice on all lost bets. Typical Juice is 10% of the wager. Ideally Vegas, if the bets were equal on both sides, would net 5% of all the action.

If the bets are one sided, Vegas shifts the odds to match. The original oddsmakers set the initial line (and trust me, they know more about the games than anyone not employed by the teams playing) but the volume of betting changes changes the lines over time.

If Vegas really thought there was a good chance of the NYG upsetting the 'Boys, the money line wouldn't be +265 for the G'Men.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

Interesting LSU. I love your insight. Unfortunately, I am not smart enough to follow what you said. But I got your point. The Cowboys should win.

[thule]

Ya LSU I saw the same thing..it seems you can't find a person in the media right now who is leaning dallas...then you go look at the odds and the moneyline and your reassured we are the favorite.

[LSUALUM99]

Basically it boils down to this. There is too much money involved for too many people for it to be even close to a 50:50 chance that Cowboys lose this game.

The 'Boys are a solid 3:1 favorite to win the game.

The notion that it's hard to beat a team 3 times in the same year is a urban legend. Since the NFL/AFL merger a team has faced another team 3 times in a season on 17 different occasions. 11 of those times they have beaten the other team for the 3rd time in a season.

Here's some other food for thought:

In 2006, the Bears barely beat the lowly lions by 4 points, the lowly Bucs by 3 points and lost to the Packers by 19 points going into the playoffs. They made it to the Super Bowl.

2006, Colts go 2-3 in December, win Super Bowl.

2006, Seattle goes 2-3 in December, wins divisional round playoff game.

2006, Chargers go undefeated in December, lose first playoff game.

You can find these stories in every single year of the NFL during the salary cap era (BTW, the 1995 Cowboys went 2-2 in December and won the SB).

Teams coming off Bye's since 2004 win 64% of their games in the NFL. The weak off is a HUGE advantage.

Dallas wins by 6+ points is my prediction. Predicting scores is a silly undertaking but I will either way. I think the score is 31-24 Dallas wins.

[Jughead10]

Well, folks, to solve any crime you have to follow the money. Always follow the money trail and you eventually end up with the true mastermind.

The Vegas Lines for the game are as follows:

To win $100 on the money line (straight up win, no points) you have to lay $330 on the Cowboys. (Thus Vegas is figuring a 3:1 odd of the Cowboys winning straight up since the $30 is the juice that you lay up front in Vegas instead of paying on the back end with a local bookie).

Dallas is a 7.5 point favorite, up from 7 point favorite Monday. This means more money is flowing to the Dallas side than the NY side at 7 points.

For those of you that don't bet or who aren't familiar with a way a bookie makes money; Vegas doesn't care who wins. The lines are floating because Vegas, in a perfect scenario, would want the exact amount of money bet on both sides of the bet. Vegas wants to even out the bets because Vegas (and I use the term Vegas to be symbolic of any entity taking money on the games) wins the Juice on all lost bets. Typical Juice is 10% of the wager. Ideally Vegas, if the bets were equal on both sides, would net 5% of all the action.

If the bets are one sided, Vegas shifts the odds to match. The original oddsmakers set the initial line (and trust me, they know more about the games than anyone not employed by the teams playing) but the volume of betting changes changes the lines over time.

If Vegas really thought there was a good chance of the NYG upsetting the 'Boys, the money line wouldn't be +265 for the G'Men.

One thing I learned from betting. Is that the Cowboys lines are always messed up. There is no doubt you guys are the favorites but the lines are always shifted for the Cowboys because the sheer number of fans they have across the country, similar to the Yankees. Their odds are always a bit bigger than they should be because Vegas knows Cowboys fans will bet the Cowboys regardless. It is more evident in preseason lines to win the NFC, Superbowl, etc, but it is always there.

Also the lines don't always neccesarily shift with the way the action is coming in. A lot, maybe even most of the time it does, but Vegas does set the public up for sucker bets. Where 80% of the money is coming in one way, and the line doesn't shift.

[LSUALUM99]

One thing I learned from betting. Is that the Cowboys lines are always messed up. There is no doubt you guys are the favorites but the lines are always shifted for the Cowboys because the sheer number of fans they have across the country, similar to the Yankees. Their odds are always a bit bigger than they should be because Vegas knows Cowboys fans will bet the Cowboys regardless. It is more evident in preseason lines to win the NFC, Superbowl, etc, but it is always there.

Also the lines don't always neccesarily shift with the way the action is coming in. A lot, maybe even most of the time it does, but Vegas does set the public up for sucker bets. Where 80% of the money is coming in one way, and the line doesn't shift.


I could see where alot of action would come the Cowboys way based on fan numbers, but if you think Vegas doesn't shift the lines when the majority of the money is on one side as a 'sucker bet' then you're sorely misinformed. Vegas doesn't want to run the risk of having 80% (as you say) of the money on one side because even if it is unlikely, if it happened it would be devastating.

[Jughead10]

I could see where alot of action would come the Cowboys way based on fan numbers, but if you think Vegas doesn't shift the lines when the majority of the money is on one side as a 'sucker bet' then you're sorely misinformed. Vegas doesn't want to run the risk of having 80% (as you say) of the money on one side because even if it is unlikely, if it happened it would be devastating.

Vegas does do this. It isn't very often but it does happen. They release the lines in Vegas before they release it to the public. They let the professional handicappers, who don't work for them, get the lines first and see how they bet. Then they adjust it based on their action before they release it to the public. If the public bets the other way from these experts, a lot of time they do leave the line in tact. I forget exactly what game it was, but I know it happened in a Cinci game this year and Vegas killed on it. I know Vegas is in the business of taking their 5-10% and are happy with that but these situations do occur.

[M.O.T.H.]

Anyone see this? Freaking awesome.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C9Z0kw4ieDw

Check out Witten w/ the bandana and Tony is the man...haha.

[leroyisgod]

This is hilarious!!!

[pocketaces]

WOOOHOOO!!! Looks like Barber is starting tomorrow. About time http://blog.dallascowboys.com/blogs/goodtimes/archive/2008/1/12/1059588.aspx Also....http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3193599

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

Wow. I didnt see that coming. I am not sure it matters anyway, though. Everyone knows who is on the field when the chips are down, anyway. Julius knows it too.

Too bad he got his feelings hurt. But he should have got over it a long time ago. He hasnt been on the field much in the important situations. The writing has been on the wall.

I dont have anything against Julius, really. Someone said on this forum that he does what he is coached to do. Run where the play is designed to go as fast as he can. I never thought to put it on paper that way, but whoever wrote that was right.

With the exception of early in his career, I have always thought his two problems were a) his vision sucks and b) he somewho almost always goes down on initial contact.

We could have worse, but we have better. So let the Barbarian fight.

And too think how excited I was about Julius after his first year. Anyone else remember the last eight games of his first year? That seems like so long ago, now.

[leroyisgod]

Julius will get a nice sized contract in free agency. Personally, I hope that he goes somewhere and performs. I've always liked JJ and really wish he could've been more productive for us.

Does anyone have a list of FA RB's? It would be interesting to see who is available. I'd almost rather see a veteran come in than a rookie.

[pocketaces]

Yeah they were saying the other day, I think on ESPN, that when JJ was in the game other teams just gave up on the run and played pass defense. When Barber is in the game our play action passes are much more effective. This will let us know exactly where we need to draft a RB though. A first round concern or will Barber play well enough to make RB a non issue or later round pick. I think we might come out a little rusty but by the 2nd quarter we will be "clicking". I'm taking the Boys 34-20. Eli comes back down to earth and becomes frustrated and hurrased all day. GO BOYS!!

[pocketaces]

Julius will get a nice sized contract in free agency. Personally, I hope that he goes somewhere and performs. I've always liked JJ and really wish he could've been more productive for us.

Does anyone have a list of FA RB's? It would be interesting to see who is available. I'd almost rather see a veteran come in than a rookie.


They are mostly BLAH!! Heres a list.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nfl/freeagentsRB.html

[leroyisgod]

They are mostly BLAH!! Heres a list.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nfl/freeagentsRB.html

I think Turner or Ward would be worth taking a look at. However, I think Turner will command a pretty high price tag that we'd be unwilling to pay.

[Gribble]

Time for Roy Williams and Jacque Reeves to go. They were pretty much responsible for how we played on defense. Can't blame Romo - the Giants' front beat us down at the end of the game and he had no time at all. Crayton stunk it up today too. Man... this sucks.

[thule]

If there wasn't enough hate for Williams and Reeves already....there sure is now....I don't know if it's possible but could Roy play himself out of dallas this second half of the year? When teams see Roy or Reeves in man to man coverage they don't look another direction....I can't believe how blatant Eli was today...and we couldn't do anything to stop it.

[Gribble]

If there wasn't enough hate for Williams and Reeves already....there sure is now....I don't know if it's possible but could Roy play himself out of dallas this second half of the year? When teams see Roy or Reeves in man to man coverage they don't look another direction....I can't believe how blatant Eli was today...and we couldn't do anything to stop it.

Pretty much explains how we lost the game. The play that ended Roy's time in Dallas for me was the quick throw to Bradshaw, who just ran him over. Then Reeves, the Human Target, must've had money on the Giants.

[NOSH]

Reeves has to go. I saw multiple times he was 8-10 yards off of the receiver. You can't give up 5-6 b/c you are scared about getting beat in the RED ZONE. They also need a new Defensive Coordinator. You cannot give up a TD with 47 seconds left in the first half and keep your job. Period. I mean, how can you play zone? Might as well take everyone off the field and give them a TD. Romo needs to grow up too. On that second to last drive he didn't throw the ball away or try to throw it up to Hurd (who was wide open down the field) and took a sack for a loss of 14 yards. Then a couple of plays later he is in the pocket and just throws the ball out of bounds for a grounding call. Pathetic. You can't have those plays period but in that situation they should never happen. Then Crayton drops a sure 50-60 yard catch and slows up on a go route to the corner of the end zone that falls out of his reach in the end zone. Crayton needs to go too. You can't make those drops and mistakes in a playoff game.

They have some major issues to address before I think they will be ready to get to the Super Bowl.

[NOSH]

Not to mention Gurode. Snapping the ball has to be the easiest thing in football and he messed that up multiple times in the shotgun. They should see what they could get for him. No matter how good a blocker he is if he can't snap the ball he should not be out there.

[duckseason]

I agree about Reeves and Williams, but it would be foolish to get rid of Crayton based on today's performance. The dude has a very bright future and I'm sure he's just as pissed at himself right now as we are. Those mistakes were uncharacteristic of him. You can't say the same about Roy and Reeves.

[thule]

NOSH we lost...but I have a slight feeling that your overreacting.

[Gribble]

Here we go with overreactions...

[thule]

On the bright side....MB3 showed he can dominate a game in the first half. 26 carries are you serious....we had a great offensive gameplan....can't give enough props to Garrett this week...

[Number 10]

Tough game fellas....great season though.

[Gribble]

On the bright side....MB3 showed he can dominate a game in the first half. 26 carries are you serious....we had a great offensive gameplan....can't give enough props to Garrett this week...

I thought we were pretty blah on offense. We just ran on first down much more than we usually do. And 2nd and 10 was a run down almost the whole game.

[NOSH]

NOSH we lost...but I have a slight feeling that your overreacting.

What is the overreaction? Gurode couldn't snap the ball on time in the shotgun. Really, how hard is that. They have practice squad guys that can do that. Crayton at best will be a No. 3 receiver and he made two HUGE mistakes. You never give on a play and he dropped a pass that was in his hands. Maybe he shouldn't go but they should only resign him for cheap. The calls on D at certain points in the game were questionable to say the least. You can't play 10 yards off both outside receivers in the red zone. At least get rid of those plays. I like Romo as the QB and think he should be there for a long time but he needs to stop trying to make the big play when he can't. If there are three guys closing in on you and there is nothing open, throw it away. He can't take a sack in that situation. The grounding call can't happen. Period. No pressure on him and he just throws it out of bounds away from everyone.

[thule]

Ya I agree with you there...if I had one complaint it was that we weren't running on 2nd down. Atleast in the 2nd half we didn't. Would have been nice to see a quick pass to TO on first down...and then run on 2nd and 5.

[duckseason]

Man is it gonna be a long offseason. I really didn't want to lose like that. I'd rather have the Giants come in and just beat us. Between my Ducks and the Cowboys, I really feel screwed over as a fan. Both teams are much better than how they finished and really had a lot of stuff working against them.

[Achilles33]

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OVERREACTIONS?!?!?

We have to wait 7 months to play another game. Do you ******* realize that? 7 MONTHS!!

A 13-3 season, with the most talented football team in recent memory, maybe NFL History, and we lose to the giants. Living in Connecticut I am going to get crucified tomarrow. ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?!?!?!!?

WHAT THE *********************** is Crayton doing. His drop on 3rd down cost us the game. He is supposed to has good hands. Not only that, but he stopped on a would-be game-winning TD. Crayton, Henry, and Reeves lost us this game.

If I am Jerry Jones I give up #22 for DeAngelo Hall right now.

What a joke. Do you realize it is over. OVER.

The front 7 and the offense besides crayton did there job. So did Newman and Hamlin. We just suck against the pass. It's the bottom line. Newman wasn't even THROWN AT today.

If i'm jerry I call Atlanta right now, plain and simple.

Happy off-season guys.

[thule]

What is the overreaction? Gurode couldn't snap the ball on time in the shotgun. Really, how hard is that. They have practice squad guys that can do that. Crayton at best will be a No. 3 receiver and he made two HUGE mistakes. You never give on a play and he dropped a pass that was in his hands. Maybe he shouldn't go but they should only resign him for cheap. The calls on D at certain points in the game were questionable to say the least. You can't play 10 yards off both outside receivers in the red zone. At least get rid of those plays. I like Romo as the QB and think he should be there for a long time but he needs to stop trying to make the big play when he can't. If there are three guys closing in on you and there is nothing open, throw it away. He can't take a sack in that situation. The grounding call can't happen. Period. No pressure on him and he just throws it out of bounds away from everyone.

Crayton made a huge play where he went up and got the jump ball...he bailed romo out on that throw. While Crayton did drop that ball....you could understand he was looking ahead to make the big play.

Did we get burned by playing our corners off 10 yards in the redzone? I don't think so.

While watching Romo play...you can't praise him for making plays and then knock him for the same thing.....that shuffle pass to witten was the exact same situation as the sack on the other side. Romo getting sacked the 2nd time was the exact same way he made the throw to Crayton....you have to take the goods with the bads.

The last thing you bring up is my biggest problem with your post. The route was a miscommunication between the QB and the WR...I'm almost positive it was Glenn who was on the side of the field running a route...are you saying if it's a WR option that maybe thier was a misunderstand due to the lack of chemistry...thats what I got from both Wade and Romo's reactions...but then again Troy and Buck didn't say that...so I guess maybe I'm in the minority.

[thule]

Man is it gonna be a long offseason. I really didn't want to lose like that. I'd rather have the Giants come in and just beat us. Between my Ducks and the Cowboys, I really feel screwed over as a fan. Both teams are much better than how they finished and really had a lot of stuff working against them.

Ya, about everything we could do wrong we did in this game...props to the Giants...but it's hard to not feel let down with our performance today.

[thule]

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OVERREACTIONS?!?!?

We have to wait 7 months to play another game. Do you ******* realize that? 7 MONTHS!!

A 13-3 season, with the most talented football team in recent memory, maybe NFL History, and we lose to the giants. Living in Connecticut I am going to get crucified tomarrow. ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?!?!?!!?

WHAT THE *********************** is Crayton doing. His drop on 3rd down cost us the game. He is supposed to has good hands. Not only that, but he stopped on a would-be game-winning TD. Crayton, Henry, and Reeves lost us this game.

If I am Jerry Jones I give up #22 for DeAngelo Hall right now.

What a joke. Do you realize it is over. OVER.

The front 7 and the offense besides crayton did there job. So did Newman and Hamlin. We just suck against the pass. It's the bottom line. Newman wasn't even THROWN AT today.

If i'm jerry I call Atlanta right now, plain and simple.

Happy off-season guys.

That is exactly what the F i'm talking about when I say overreactions....lol one day you'll learn.

[NOSH]

Crayton made a huge play where he went up and got the jump ball...he bailed romo out on that throw. While Crayton did drop that ball....you could understand he was looking ahead to make the big play.

Did we get burned by playing our corners off 10 yards in the redzone? I don't think so.

While watching Romo play...you can't praise him for making plays and then knock him for the same thing.....that shuffle pass to witten was the exact same situation as the sack on the other side. Romo getting sacked the 2nd time was the exact same way he made the throw to Crayton....you have to take the goods with the bads.

The last thing you bring up is my biggest problem with your post. The route was a miscommunication between the QB and the WR...I'm almost positive it was Glenn who was on the side of the field running a route...are you saying if it's a WR option that maybe thier was a misunderstand due to the lack of chemistry...thats what I got from both Wade and Romo's reactions...but then again Troy and Buck didn't say that...so I guess maybe I'm in the minority.

First of all there is a HUGE difference in the shuffle pass and the taken sack later in the game. Romo had room in front of him and there wasn't anyone near him to hit him on the shuffle pass. On the taken sack there were THREE guys literally breathing down his neck and he REFUSED to throw the ball away.

It was not a miscommunication. From what I say it was a go route to the corner of the end zone (yes it was Crayton) and he was going full speed then slowed down (like he was lost) and then sped up again once he saw Romo throw to him. He gave up on the route. Plain and simple. He didn't make a move inside or outside or attempt to make a cut and come back. He gave up. You can't do that.

We did get burned playing our corners 10 yards off the receivers b/c they still picked up chunks of yards (5-6). We didn't stop them in the red zone.

And no, I can't understand how Crayton can look ahead on that play. He has to catch the ball. Period. It is third down and he has to make that catch. If he was scared of getting hit he shouldn't make plays towards the middle of the field. He was the biggest reason the Cowboys lost.

[Gribble]

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OVERREACTIONS?!?!?

We have to wait 7 months to play another game. Do you ******* realize that? 7 MONTHS!!

A 13-3 season, with the most talented football team in recent memory, maybe NFL History, and we lose to the giants. Living in Connecticut I am going to get crucified tomarrow. ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?!?!?!!?

WHAT THE *********************** is Crayton doing. His drop on 3rd down cost us the game. He is supposed to has good hands. Not only that, but he stopped on a would-be game-winning TD. Crayton, Henry, and Reeves lost us this game.

If I am Jerry Jones I give up #22 for DeAngelo Hall right now.

What a joke. Do you realize it is over. OVER.

The front 7 and the offense besides crayton did there job. So did Newman and Hamlin. We just suck against the pass. It's the bottom line. Newman wasn't even THROWN AT today.

If i'm jerry I call Atlanta right now, plain and simple.

Happy off-season guys.

I was waiting for this.

[thule]

First of all there is a HUGE difference in the shuffle pass and the taken sack later in the game. Romo had room in front of him and there wasn't anyone near him to hit him on the shuffle pass. On the taken sack there were THREE guys literally breathing down his neck and he REFUSED to throw the ball away.

It was not a miscommunication. From what I say it was a go route to the corner of the end zone (yes it was Crayton) and he was going full speed then slowed down (like he was lost) and then sped up again once he saw Romo throw to him. He gave up on the route. Plain and simple. He didn't make a move inside or outside or attempt to make a cut and come back. He gave up. You can't do that.

We did get burned playing our corners 10 yards off the receivers b/c they still picked up chunks of yards (5-6). We didn't stop them in the red zone.

And no, I can't understand how Crayton can look ahead on that play. He has to catch the ball. Period. It is third down and he has to make that catch. If he was scared of getting hit he shouldn't make plays towards the middle of the field. He was the biggest reason the Cowboys lost.

I was talking about the miscommunication on the intentional grounding call that was called against romo that you brought up...I'm not sure what happened on the Crayton slow down route.

You said you don't play your corners off 10 yards in the redzone....yet you can't give an example where it hamped us.

Yes they picked up chunks of yards...but how many of those yards came against Henry and Newman....as a DC do you play Reeves up man to man....and risk the TD.

I agree you catch the ball on third down...but it's not like WR's don't drop passes looking up field to make the big play...

[ncbigbody]

I think the play of the game has to be Anthony Fasano's dropped TD pass, which bounced off his chest. I think everyone forgot about that, then Romo throws the duck with a wide open T.O in the middle of the field on the same possession. We settled for a FG that drive, instead of a sure td. And we lost by 4.

[BX]

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OVERREACTIONS?!?!?

We have to wait 7 months to play another game. Do you ******* realize that? 7 MONTHS!!

A 13-3 season, with the most talented football team in recent memory, maybe NFL History, and we lose to the giants. Living in Connecticut I am going to get crucified tomarrow. ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?!?!?!!?

WHAT THE *********************** is Crayton doing. His drop on 3rd down cost us the game. He is supposed to has good hands. Not only that, but he stopped on a would-be game-winning TD. Crayton, Henry, and Reeves lost us this game.

If I am Jerry Jones I give up #22 for DeAngelo Hall right now.

What a joke. Do you realize it is over. OVER.

The front 7 and the offense besides crayton did there job. So did Newman and Hamlin. We just suck against the pass. It's the bottom line. Newman wasn't even THROWN AT today.

If i'm jerry I call Atlanta right now, plain and simple.

Happy off-season guys.

Achilles, I'm more apt then most to defend you, but this is all utter nonsense. Seven months?! oH NOS! Even if we won the Super Bowl, it'd still be seven months before we played a game again. So what's your point, exactly?

And on getting crucified "tomarrow," it seems like you talked a lot of **** to those around you re: the Cowboys. And that's okay. A lot of people do. But if you're going to do that, then by God, you'd better be ready to deal with the repercussions when something like this happens. Useless infantile sniveling.

[Staubach12]

Well, that's one hell of a way to lose... two years in a row. Bottom line, we need more CBs. We need to come up with some way to get rid of Roy, or something. That's a daunting task with his contract, but it has to be done. We're a young team on many levels, so I'm not worried about the future. We just need to look forward to next year.

[NOSH]

I was talking about the miscommunication on the intentional grounding call that was called against romo that you brought up...I'm not sure what happened on the Crayton slow down route.

You said you don't play your corners off 10 yards in the redzone....yet you can't give an example where it hamped us.

Yes they picked up chunks of yards...but how many of those yards came against Henry and Newman....as a DC do you play Reeves up man to man....and risk the TD.

I agree you catch the ball on third down...but it's not like WR's don't drop passes looking up field to make the big play...

On the grounding, you still don't just throw it away like that. Throw it over the head of a receiver downfield or even on a dump off route or at a receiver's feet. You can't take the chance of grounding and he did. He could also have run for a few yards as the middle of the field was open. Again, have Reeves play bump and run and have a safety over the top. I'd rather have Newman one one one on the outside with Burress than Reeves one on one with anyone or anything.

[Paul]

Just got back from a watching party, and you want to tall about complete silence followed by intense cursing in a filled apartment, wow. But obviously I'm very very disappointed. The poor tackling, the dropped passes and the continuing epidermic of false starts, will cause me to wake up with hoarse throat tomorrow. I've never been more infuriated during a game.

Gotta give credit where credit is due, the Gmen played very well in the 2nd half and deserved that game. But with that said I will cheering for Farve and Packers, just because Farve is the f'n man.

[Gribble]

It's nice to see that most everyone is taking this loss well.

[D-Unit]

Congrats to the insanely dumb Cowboys fans who attended the game at the stadium. Must be the dumbest fans in the world. It looked like the offense was playing an away game with the amount of noise they had to fight through on every snap. The Offensive Line couldn't even get in sync with the snap call. Congrats fans... You got what you wanted. You were loud enough to distract the team when they needed the silence the most.

I blame this loss on the fans. LOL.

[pocketaces]

I blame it on the "Guarantee":p

[LSUALUM99]

Flozell Adams had probably his worst game of the season, particularly the second half. The whole offensive line had issues the second half.

TO was good, and before anyone blames Crayton or Fasano or Roy or Reeves....don't forget that Romo just flat out missed TO on the crossing route at the 4 yard line. TO had no one around him.

That being said, no one play or player costs you a game in the NFL. The Cowboys had time of possession for over 36 minutes, 150+ rushing yards and zero turnovers (the last play of the game that was intercepted didn't cost them the game, it was 4th down anyway so the turnover didn't matter) and lost the game.

Don't blame any one player for the loss.

The bright spots...TO, Witten, and MBIII (although he had 19 carries in the first half and only 7 in the second half, I'm wondering if he was tired).

I think now more than ever I feel like CB and WR are the biggest needs for the team. However, I think the middle of the defense (ILB and S) could be interchanged with either of those for picks in the first round and I'd be happy.

I'm off the RB in the first round bandwagon.

[thule]

I think it would be a really smart idea to take a long look at kenny phillips.

[Gribble]

I think it would be a really smart idea to take a long look at kenny phillips.

And then kidnap him?

[thule]

And then kidnap him?

Well I think if he falls out of the top 10...his value warrants the selection...if the opprutunity arises....I'd love to bring him in...

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

....don't forget that Romo just flat out missed TO on the crossing route at the 4 yard line. TO had no one around him.



I thought I was the only person that remembered that??? Good for you.

[Gribble]

I thought I was the only person that remembered that??? Good for you.

That throw really fluttered. I think it came out sideways or something. Can't remember if Romo was hit. I also remember the Giants seeing T.O. go in motion and no one picked him up. Darn...

[Paul]

That throw really fluttered. I think it came out sideways or something. Can't remember if Romo was hit. I also remember the Giants seeing T.O. go in motion and no one picked him up. Darn...

Naw, Romo wasn't hit nor was the ball tipped. It looked like it just slipped out his hands when he threw.

[Gribble]

Naw, Romo wasn't hit nor was the ball tipped. It looked like it just slipped out his hands when he threw.

Just saw the highlight. He wasn't hit or anything. Just a weird angle to throw from.

[johbur]

My condolences on the loss. I was looking forward to Favre getting a chance for his first win in Dallas and getting to the Superbowl by beating the #1 seed, but ce la vie. A home game and a shot at the SB better than the individual stuff if it happens. Maybe next year. Is Dallas v. GB in Dallas or GB?

[Modano]

Here we go with overreactions...

Did you see the comments on the DMN blog? It's amazing how a fan can ovvereact. They're calling for everyone's head: Romo, TO, Crayton, Garrett, Phillips.

I don't think there's a team capable of beating New England in the SB, so our loss isn't that tragic. This team needs more experience, look at Seattle and Chicago, before winning the conference they struggled in the playoffs.
Another playoff loss is pretty bad, especially considering how good we were during the regular season, but we can start next season with a better team, a more experienced Romo (not to forget he's just started one season and a half, while Manning was considered a loser and a choker until last year), and probably New England won't be the same unbeatable team they were this year.

[LonghornsLegend]

I think the playoff experience will due Romo alot of good, but I really wanted to get this playoff win out of the way, id almost rather us been the 3 seed and won the first game then lost the 2nd round...we still need a wr, let Crayton play the slot, he had a bad game but its not like him, its not as if weve seen him drop that many balls, he's got the best hands out of our wrs, maybe he was caught up in the game but everyone made some off plays...

we just didnt look in sync, and it wasnt just one person, those offsides penalties were killers, but even on the play where Toomer scored I dont know what Henry was doing trying to tackle him...

I think a speed/breakaway back would do us nice but we dont need to take one early, too many other needs, if were drafting a rb just for speed we can find that later, Aldrige will be there in the 3rd...If we dont sure up the secondary we are going to have another rough year, we need to draft a cb, and bring in a FA db as well, if we keep reeves he needs to be the 5th corner, and we need a safety that specializes in covering/range...


Also doesnt Wade specialize in this 3-4 defense? Pretty pathetic the Giants went down the field and scored effortlessly after we had them on the ropes going into halftime(dont forget another 15 yd penalty for a facemask)

[D-Unit]

I thought I was the only person that remembered that??? Good for you.
At the time when I saw the play unfold, it looked like to me that Romo was under tremendous pressure.

[Achilles33]

No, Romo had a nice pocket, the ball just slipped.

Is anyone will me in trading for D-Hall?

[Jughead10]

At the time when I saw the play unfold, it looked like to me that Romo was under tremendous pressure.

Not to rub it in but he short armed that ball. He was definitely afraid to get hit on that play. That was 6 points right there, TO was wide open on the crossing route.

His decisions not to throw the ball away and then when he did throw it away, was in the middle of the pocket. That really hurt as well, which could have been totally avoidable.

[Sniper]

with the most talented football team in recent memory, maybe NFL History

The Pats say hello

[Achilles33]

Not really. The pats don't even have top 3 talent this year. That pats are a great TEAM, but they don't have that many really TALENTED players.

People like junior seau, teddy bruschi, mike vrabel, rodney harrison, ellis hobbs, etc are not very talented they just play well as a team. That is why they say, talent doesn't always win championships, and this year, it obviously didn't.

[Jughead10]

Not really. The pats don't even have top 3 talent this year. That pats are a great TEAM, but they don't have that many really TALENTED players.

People like junior seau, teddy bruschi, mike vrabel, rodney harrison, ellis hobbs, etc are not very talented they just play well as a team. That is why they say, talent doesn't always win championships, and this year, it obviously didn't.

They have Brady and Moss. Might go down as the best QB all time and a top 3 WR of all time. Junior Seau past his prime, but a HOF. You also failed to mention their 3 down lineman who are all exceptional. They have just as much talent on defense as you guys.

[Achilles33]

Yea, ok buddy.

Did I not say they were a great TEAM?

But we easily have more talent. Do you know what talent is?

DeMarcus Ware has more talent than their entire team combined. Moss has great talent, but they still don't compare to us. Brady is a great player maybe the G.O.A.T., but he isn't that talented. He just stands in the pocket and throws the ball with 10 seconds to throw on every play. Maybe the most unathletic player I have ever seen. Romo is the best scrambler/sack avoider since maybe roger staubach. (not including runners liek vick and young)

Us and Sand Diego are above everyone else in the talent department. It obviously didn't translate to a championship, but you can't deny it.

Romo+T.O. have more TALENT than Brady+Moss. Brady and Moss are obviously way better, but talent is a different thing.

Celebrate your Giants victory. We are still gonna own the NFC East next year. You caught us by suprise, playing garbage football, and it STILL came down to the last play of the game and we should have one if it weren't for Crayton. We are obviously vastly superior, you were just bound to win.

[thule]

Would I be abusing my power if I deleted everyone of Tnew's post?

[Achilles33]

Have fun. I back up my team. I don't care if I get terrible rep or anything on NFLDC. We are clearly the better team, and I am stating it. We just played a terrible game.

[Jughead10]

Celebrate your Giants victory. We are still gonna own the NFC East next year. You caught us by suprise, playing garbage football, and it STILL came down to the last play of the game and we should have one if it weren't for Crayton. We are obviously vastly superior, you were just bound to win.

Stop blaming Crayton. That is getting old fast. Sure he dropped a catch. Webster dropped a pick that would have taken 7 points off the board and maybe given us 7 points in the other direction. These things happen.

[Sniper]

DeMarcus Ware has more talent than their entire team combined. Moss has great talent, but they still don't compare to us. Brady is a great player maybe the G.O.A.T., but he isn't that talented. He just stands in the pocket and throws the ball with 10 seconds to throw on every play. Maybe the most unathletic player I have ever seen. Romo is the best scrambler/sack avoider since maybe roger staubach. (not including runners liek vick and young)

Us and Sand Diego are above everyone else in the talent department. It obviously didn't translate to a championship, but you can't deny it.

Romo+T.O. have more TALENT than Brady+Moss. Brady and Moss are obviously way better, but talent is a different thing.

Celebrate your Giants victory. We are still gonna own the NFC East next year. You caught us by suprise, playing garbage football, and it STILL came down to the last play of the game and we should have one if it weren't for Crayton. We are obviously vastly superior, you were just bound to win.

DeMarcus Ware has more talent than everybody on their team combined? Put down the crack pipe. Randy Moss is arguably the most physically gifted player in league history (I said arguably, not definitely). Brady was good even when he didn't have 20 seconds to throw. Perhaps teams should rush more guys then? Brady really isn't that unathletic. He scrambles when he has too and he's extremely intelligent as to when to do it.

To say that Romo and Owens have more talent than Brady and Moss is ridiculous and pure homerism. It's one thing to back up your team and it's quite another to be completely oblivious to reality.

If you were so "obviously vastly superior", you would have won the game. You can't be vastly superior if you're dropping passes, missing blocks, not making plays etc...

Heaven forbid you actually admit someone flat out beat you, that would be the end of the world wouldn't it? Eli Manning played incredibly SMART football. They made very few mistakes and it paid off. The Giants' secondary, a much maligned unit, held Tony Romo to 50% completion and only one touchdown. The Cowboys' OL in the second half was swiss cheese, probably moreso because the Giants' pass rush came alive. They only got one sack, but Romo was constantly on his ass.

And for God's sake, Roy Williams is awful. Can't even tackle anymore. Amazing what a few nice hits five years ago can do for your reputation.

[Sniper]

Stop blaming Crayton. That is getting old fast. Sure he dropped a catch. Webster dropped a pick that would have taken 7 points off the board and maybe given us 7 points in the other direction. These things happen.

Seriously.

It's not just Crayton that didn't perform. Romo struggled to complete 50% of his passes, the OL got dominated in the second half, Owens had trouble getting open. Roy Williams can't tackle anymore.

[thule]

The thing that worries me about roy is his steady decline over the past two years...two years ago millions of people were knocking him for his coverage skills but he was still a top 5 safety in the league. He I believe lead the league in TFL in 2005 if I'm correct and was a spark plug for our team.

Well last year he slowly stopped making as many plays at the LOS...but our constant safeties in cover 2 probably had a lot ot do with it.

This year we are all excited to see Roy closer to the LOS...and what happens...he makes 4-5 plays all year that I can remember at the LOS. This is no exaggeration either....he simply wasn't cutting through the garbage anymore to make plays. Then to finish the year....he drops to his hands and knees in the open field to aviod a FB block....a WR catches the ball and he simply runs into a blocker and doesn't get up? Something is seriously wrong...this is Roy Williams...he was never passive in his play....he is a completely different player this year....and the progression started last year...when he was forced away from the LOS....I just wish we could know the answer....funny thing I thought about yesterday was...since when did roy always wear long sleeves...many teenage girls wear sleeves to cover up cosmetic blemishes on there arms...which leads me to Roy's new nickname Roy "The Cutter" Williams

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Roy's been wearing sleeves for as long as I can remember. I would guess after his rookie year, maybe the one after that one.

How the mighty have fallen

[Burns336]

Honestly, I think Roy Williams is g a y.

Anyone else ever consider this? I wouldn't be surprised if Roy turned out to be fruity. He's been working with his minister to start a new life and find his direction. Plus he dumped that hot chick because they didn't match up on a "couples test" that he took in a magazine. Maybe hes a fruit and its been weighing on his mind?

Either way, he has lost his confidence and he is fat. I dont want him back, I dont care if it creates cap hell either. Having him and Reeves on the field is like playing defense with 9 guys. They are so terrible.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

I dont care who is *** and who is not. If he would knock someone out once in a while, he can be as *** as he wants. His play has regressed tremendously.

However, he did not paly bad in the playoff game. Blaming him would be like blaming Ware. Its not their fault.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

Andy by the way Achilles, and I have never jumped on your back before now...

But please stop being such a homer. Ware has more talent than Moss, Samuels, Maroney, Stallworth, Warren, Seymore, Seau...

That is absolutely crazy!!! You are so extreme with everything you say...come back to earth.

[D-Unit]

Honestly, I think Roy Williams is g a y.

Anyone else ever consider this? I wouldn't be surprised if Roy turned out to be fruity. He's been working with his minister to start a new life and find his direction. Plus he dumped that hot chick because they didn't match up on a "couples test" that he took in a magazine. Maybe hes a fruit and its been weighing on his mind?

Either way, he has lost his confidence and he is fat. I dont want him back, I dont care if it creates cap hell either. Having him and Reeves on the field is like playing defense with 9 guys. They are so terrible.
I saw him doing autograph signings at a hotel in Waikiki. He had a very hot lady friend accompanying him, so no... I don't think he's g a y.

[leroyisgod]

Chad Johnson is whining about wanting out of Cincy. I'd give up a 1st and a 3rd for him.

[Modano]

Our defense still played good in the second half. We just allowed 1 TD and the Giants had to cover only 37 yards to get it.
The reason why we lost was the second half offense and the last drive of the first half, a drive in which Jacques Reeves was responsible for almost all the yards the Giants gained.
Our OL has been amazing all season, and at his best in pass protection but they all forgot how to block in the second half. We have been a passing team this year, and the team with most play of 20+ yards but we can't make a big passing play because of drops or because of Romo, Crayton has been one of the more reliable players this year and he was responsable for almost three plays which could have changed the game. Romo didn't play that bad, but this player sure wasn't the one we saw during the regular season.

Wade was named the HC to fix the defense and he was pretty succesfull, imo. We allowed one TD in the first drive of the game, but after that the defense played good. The second TD was almost ALL Jacques Reeves' fault, and the third TD was on the special team unit's shoulder.

[leroyisgod]

It's hard to say this after only one official start as the feature back, but Barber did a pretty good job and I'm confident going into '08 as him being our #1 back. I would say that we need some improvement out of him in his pass protection. He's a little shakey, but that can be improved. JJ is gone and I'd like to see us pick up a nice change of pace back. Somebody with some good quickness and speed.

[Macarthur]

I do think MBIII got gased. I think he needs to be between 15-20 carries and the other 10-15 needs to go to our draft pick this year.

I just think with his running style, he would be worthless by the end of the season if he got 20+ carries every game.

[shane_man]

It's hard to say this after only one official start as the feature back, but Barber did a pretty good job and I'm confident going into '08 as him being our #1 back. I would say that we need some improvement out of him in his pass protection. He's a little shakey, but that can be improved. JJ is gone and I'd like to see us pick up a nice change of pace back. Somebody with some good quickness and speed.

Down by four for a long ass period in the second half... And because Barber was used like a sledgehammer in the first half looked ******* BUSTED in the second half.

Just like you dont win championships in the first game of the season. You dont win playoff games in the first quarter. Barber is a second half back. Why? Because he kills everything he touches. Using Barber that hard in the first half and going in at 14-14 destroyed this team.

Thank you Jason for taking such a huge bloody chance in the most important game of the season up to this point. Of course now in hindsight this was the most important game... FULL STOP.

Marion had a great half. His second half was **** and it was because he was exhausted. THATS WHY HE SHOULDNT BE GIVEN SO MANY CARRIES.

11 ATT 28 yards

[WiseDallasFan1967]

Honestly, I think Roy Williams is g a y.

Anyone else ever consider this? I wouldn't be surprised if Roy turned out to be fruity. He's been working with his minister to start a new life and find his direction. Plus he dumped that hot chick because they didn't match up on a "couples test" that he took in a magazine. Maybe hes a fruit and its been weighing on his mind?

Either way, he has lost his confidence and he is fat. I dont want him back, I dont care if it creates cap hell either. Having him and Reeves on the field is like playing defense with 9 guys. They are so terrible.

That was a very extreme question / comment. not that I am a defender or a fan but I can likely site ten teams that he would be a starter on. Williams has some talent. I think even Bobby Carpenter has some but they like many of the players Dallas has selected in their recent draft history either were over hyped or had very heavy expectations put on them when they were in the wrong system or they as a player could not mature and adapt to it as son as the fans were made to believe they would by the Jerry Jones marketing machine.

Again not defending Roy, Romo, Carpenter, Fasano, Owens, Crayton etc. I think they all either have maturity, experience, emotional or adaptation issues. I still say that there is enuff blame to go around but it all starts at the top with Jerry.

Jerry should finally give in and hire a GM.

[D-Unit]

It's hard to say this after only one official start as the feature back, but Barber did a pretty good job and I'm confident going into '08 as him being our #1 back. I would say that we need some improvement out of him in his pass protection. He's a little shakey, but that can be improved. JJ is gone and I'd like to see us pick up a nice change of pace back. Somebody with some good quickness and speed.
What the heck? We did not watch the same game. Barber did an excellent job in pass protection yesterday. It was our OL that sucked it up.

That said, everyone at every position can stand improvement in all areas of their game.

[Ward]

I really only remember one time seeing Barber completely blow a blitz pickup, but other than that I thought he did a fine job.

[toddmlazarchick]

Yea, ok buddy.

Did I not say they were a great TEAM?

But we easily have more talent. Do you know what talent is?

DeMarcus Ware has more talent than their entire team combined. Moss has great talent, but they still don't compare to us. Brady is a great player maybe the G.O.A.T., but he isn't that talented. He just stands in the pocket and throws the ball with 10 seconds to throw on every play. Maybe the most unathletic player I have ever seen. Romo is the best scrambler/sack avoider since maybe roger staubach. (not including runners liek vick and young)

Us and Sand Diego are above everyone else in the talent department. It obviously didn't translate to a championship, but you can't deny it.

Romo+T.O. have more TALENT than Brady+Moss. Brady and Moss are obviously way better, but talent is a different thing.

Celebrate your Giants victory. We are still gonna own the NFC East next year. You caught us by suprise, playing garbage football, and it STILL came down to the last play of the game and we should have one if it weren't for Crayton. We are obviously vastly superior, you were just bound to win.

wow dude.....WOW!!

Brady >>>>>>>>>> Romo
Moss >>>>>>>>>> Owens

u do realize they are 17-0 and ur out of the playoffs right???

Romo can run around avoiding sacks all he wants but he cant manage an offense for crap. He fizzles out the last quarter of both his years as QB so far, while Brady is breaking records.

San Diego has a bunch of talent but guess what?? They are still playing, you aren't.

So Romo and TO are more talented then Brady and Moss?? Do you even watch football, seriously?? Talent doesn't mean squat if you have no idea how to use it. I'm not saying that Romo and TO aren't good ball players but something isn't right when you die out at the end of the season twice. Romo gets so overrated during the year and by the end you really see what he is about.

People like you dude give Cowboy fans their crappy reputation!

[Paul]

wow dude.....WOW!!

Brady >>>>>>>>>> ****
Moss >>>>>>>>>> Cry baby



You realize you don't make yourself look any better with crap like this.

[Macarthur]

wow dude.....WOW!!

Brady >>>>>>>>>> ****
Moss >>>>>>>>>> Cry baby

u do realize they are 17-0 and ur out of the playoffs right???

Romo can run around avoiding sacks all he wants but he cant manage an offense for crap. He fizzles out the last quarter of both his years as QB so far, while Brady is breaking records.

San Diego has a bunch of talent but guess what?? They are still playing, you aren't.

So Romo and TO are more talented then Brady and Moss?? Do you even watch football, seriously?? Talent doesn't mean squat if you have no idea how to use it. I'm not saying that Romo and TO aren't good ball players but something isn't right when you die out at the end of the season twice. Romo gets so overrated during the year and by the end you really see what he is about.

People like you dude give Cowboy fans their crappy reputation!

Go somewhere else.