Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[Poet3334]

Happy Turkey Day everyone!

[Staubach12]

Happy Turkey Day everyone!

You, too.

[dpl85]

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

I'm not really expecting this game to be too easy but I do think we'll win by at least 14 as the Bucs do have a lot of injuries to key players. I'm gonna predict 24-7. Survey says one more for the good guys! :D

EDIT: It is kind of unseasonably warm here in Dallas, the weather is absolutely perfect. Vanderclank will have absolutely no excuse to miss FGs.

[dpl85]

Here's a great story on Bradie James. He's a great guy and he deserves all the success he's had as he has had kind of a rough life losing both his parents at a relatively young age.

http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/112306cpcowfree.27e6175.html

[Poet3334]

Here's a great story on Bradie James. He's a great guy and he deserves all the success he's had as he has had kind of a rough life losing both his parents at a relatively young age.

http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/112306cpcowfree.27e6175.html

I just finished reading it. Very touching. Says a lot about his perseverance and dedication. I think Bradie has a big game today.

[D-Unit]

TOUCHDOWN GOOD GUYS!!! :D


Happy Thanksgiving!

[D-Unit]

WHO SAYS ROY WILLIAMS CAN'T COVER?!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dpl85]

Man the D was terrible on the first drive. Good TD to Terry Glenn, Big time INT by Roy. Let's go score another TD and quit messin around.

[dpl85]

Touchdown Terry Glenn!!! His nickname is now officially "Touchdown" Terry Glenn! :D

[dpl85]

Damn we gotta put Newman on Galloway Henry doesn't have the speed to really cover him deep although Henry just made a great TD saving deflection.

[dpl85]

Touchdown MB3!!! That's 10 TDs for him.

21 10 at half

Where is everybody, eating Turkey? :lol:

[CTCowboysFan]

Alright boys!!!! D has got to do a little better, and we should mostly run in the second half other than that we should be able to win this one.

[dpl85]

In case you didn't notice Romo has thrown 5 TDs. :D

We might should put in Bledsoe here soon just in case anything happened to Romo.

[Poet3334]

What a game!!!!! I can barely type given all the turkey I've eaten. What a fantastic day!

[KILLERSANTA]

Romo > God and jesus and (P)manning..put together :D

[Staubach12]

Romo to the Pro-Bowl! 5 TDs? Are you kidding me! What a game!

[D-Unit]

I think he is a legit Pro Bowl candidate. My gut says he'll get in.

[thule]

Stabauch you still think Rivera isn't a liability on our OL...every run that got stuffed in the backfield came from his side. Not only that runs that did break were commonly done from dodging rivera's back and allowing the RB to move up behind the defender that blew up Rivera.

Flo played good but going against a second stringer he better.

On another note...we only have 2 positions to land on the OL...LT (future) and RG. We signed a nice little project...should give procter some competition...still would like to see us address the position in the first round. If we can't land a stud LT or Blalock...I would like to see us land Ginn.

Thule's Top Eight Prospects
1. Justin Blalock (RG starter from day 1)
2. Tedd Ginn (We have no speed outside of Glenn...our offense falls without him)
3. Jake Long (Typical smart white OL for parcells. Not to mention a Stud)
4. Sam Baker (A great prospect in his own...but a long ways behind the top 3 imo)
5. Reggie Nelson (Watkins is serviceable...but good option if top 4 are gone.
6. Tank Tyler (We have nothing behind ferg...if he went down so does our d...this kid is a great fit)
7. Levi Brown (Looks like he could be a very good RG too me)
8a. Hughes/Cason/Ross (Not really a first round pick...but probabally next on my list since I don't like any OG outside of Blalock and Brown)
8b. Higgins/Williams/Smith (nice quick small recievers to have a place on our team.

Personally I could see our mock going a couple of ways.
If we are in the top 25 we should have a great chance to land someone in my top 4.

If we make it deep into the playoffs I really don't like any prospect outside of Tyler. He really the only guy who holds good value in the first round. A trade down/up would be likely. I could see something very similar to Pittsburg last year. Move up for Ginn if he's there in the early 20's....give up a piddly 4th rounder.

Another thing I was thinking about today when watching the game...does anyone else think we try to offer JJ again this year. I could definately see us shipping him if we fall inlove with a prospect and our guys are off the board.

As for Free Agency...this is where I'm confused. We don't need to address FA at some positions. QB/RB/WR/TE/C/OT are not gonna be touched more than likely. On defense maybe a Pressure DT...but I truely believe parcells will love Tank. FS is the only other need that could be touched in FA.

So I guess I can see us trying to land a good OG in his mid 20's and then we will pick up Josh Brown. Unless Vandy changes his ways. We have plenty of cap room to sign a top OG and Brown. We would likely eat some of Vandy's contract but should gain some of it back from the cut.

We would still have money to extend Romo/Gurode and our draft picks. At the end of this we would probablly be sitting around 5-8mil...post draft...which seems to be where we like to sit going into the season.

If we can do that in FA...our draft should be fairily easy to predict.

Try to land Tank or top LT prospect or move up for Ginn.
Then a guy like Higgins or Williams in the 2nd round.

There really isn't anyone outside of Tank that interests me as a NT...thats why I think Parcells will want to address it soon. Hopefully Tank doesn't test too well so we have a chance at him.

With the smaller WR's sitting at second round projections right now...should leave us with some good options later in the draft.

Since our 3rd round pick will go to Brown :lol: I won't go any further then this since its a crap shoot anyways

[Modano]

Since our 3rd round pick will go to Brown :lol: I won't go any further then this since its a crap shoot anyways

I think you fell in love with Brown :D
I don't know..this year he has missed 4 FG, 2 of them inside the 40.. If we have to give a 3rd round pick for a kicker i prefer to pick Mason Crosby, not Josh Brown..

[D-Unit]

I enjoyed that read thule.

Some of my offseason thoughts...

D-Unit's Free Agency Radar:

FS Ken Hamlin - Show him the money!

OG Vince Manuwai - Most likely will sign an extension with the Jags, but hey... this is all dream talk anyways, right?

K Josh Brown - I simply love the guy. Vandy will cost us a very big game this season... you'll see.

QB Chris Simms - Wouldn't that be something... Parcells reunited with Phil's son.

FB Najeh Davenport or Nick Goings - Davenport is a difference maker with great hands out of the backfield. Goings is a bowling ball. Both can play FB too.

WR Patrick Crayton - He's restricted. Would be nice to retain him for cheap.

OT Jordan Black - This guy really, really intrigues me. He's been a RT, but is playing LT in place of the departed Willie Roaf.

OG Porkchop Womack - Will probably go to the place where he can get the most money. Could fill in for Rivera, easily.

OG Ryan Lilja - It would be nice to get anyone from the Colts OL.

OG Derrick Dockery - He's been solid for the Deadskins... Will he want to return to Texas?

NT Terdell Sands - 6'8", 335 pound, 4 year vet from a small school. Wouldn't hurt to give him an offer.



D-Unit's Top 8 Draft Prospects for the Cowboys:
1. Jake Long - Probably will be long gone btt we pick.
2. Justin Blalock - Everything we need.
3. Troy Smith - FA Market is very bare, Romo's contract will be up before we know it and we can't afford to spend 8M a year on him...We need leverage.
4a. Brandon Mebane - Amazingly productive despite constantly double & triple teamed - can easily add more weight to his frame.
4b. DeMarcus Tyler - The last DeMarcus we drafted worked out. ;)
6. Jeff Samardzija - Simply makes plays.
7. Josh Beekman - Good option if Blalock is gone.
8. Daymeion Hughes - This guy is a helluva gem, but CB isn't really a first round need. Very underrated.

[pocketaces]

K Josh Brown - I simply love the guy. Vandy will cost us a very big game this season... you'll see.

i agree and i hope its not in the playoffs :evil: :evil:

[HookEm]

Would any of you want someone like a Laron Landry next to Roy? I mean sure they would probally go deep on us but hey Davis gets burned alot might as well have 2 hitters back there. I love this Landry kid, he is a great player. I can see why many of you would disagree since it would basically be 2 roy williams out there but I think it would strike fear into WRs.

[Paul]

Would any of you want someone like a Laron Landry next to Roy? I mean sure they would probally go deep on us but hey Davis gets burned alot might as well have 2 hitters back there. I love this Landry kid, he is a great player. I can see why many of you would disagree since it would basically be 2 roy williams out there but I think it would strike fear into WRs.

I would love it, but he'll probably be gone by the time we draft.

[Staubach12]

Thule, I'm just about ready to admit I was wrong. Every game, he gets worse and worse. I want Blalock. So here's what I want:

1.Blalock
2.Steve Smith
3.Okoye or DeMarcus Tyler
4.Jonathan Wade
5.QB
6.BPA
7.BPA

[Staubach12]

Would any of you want someone like a Laron Landry next to Roy? I mean sure they would probally go deep on us but hey Davis gets burned alot might as well have 2 hitters back there. I love this Landry kid, he is a great player. I can see why many of you would disagree since it would basically be 2 roy williams out there but I think it would strike fear into WRs.

I would love it, but he'll probably be gone by the time we draft.

If he's there and we don't pick him I will castrate myself with a pocket knife. That being said, he most likely won't be there.

[iloxygenil]

What about Pat Watkins? You guys don't like him opposite Roy?

[leroyisgod]

I think he is a legit Pro Bowl candidate. My gut says he'll get in.

He's the toast of the NFL right now, he'll get in if he continues to play like this.

[thule]

What about Pat Watkins? You guys don't like him opposite Roy?


We like him and would love to see him turn out...but he needs to put on some weight and work on his ball recognition skills. But we aren't sold on his as of yet. If a top guys drops it would be very tempting to select him if noone else is on the board.

[thule]

Thule, I'm just about ready to admit I was wrong. Every game, he gets worse and worse. I want Blalock. So here's what I want:

1.Blalock
2.Steve Smith
3.Okoye or DeMarcus Tyler
4.Jonathan Wade
5.QB
6.BPA
7.BPA

No chance Tank is there in the third round. Post combine look for him to be a late first round prospect.

[Number 10]

Coming from a Giants fan....you guys are the team to beat in the NFL right now. You have looked flawless for the past few weeks other than your kicker.

[Staubach12]

Coming from a Giants fan....you guys are the team to beat in the NFL right now. You have looked flawless for the past few weeks other than your kicker.

Why, thank you.

[dpl85]

Apparently Jeremy Shockey has already guaranteed the Giants will beat us on Dec 3. I don't have a source other than the Ticket radio station here in Dallas. As if we didn't already have enough motivation and inspiration for that game now we don't wanna just beat them we wanna kill them. We wanna beat them like they stole somethin, we wanna beat them like they've never been beaten before. We can't show any mercy or campassion regardless of their injury situation if we get them knocked down we gotta step on their damn throat. The Giants hold the key to our playoff fate and it's time for us to beat them like a governemt mule or an ugly unwanted stepchild and return to the playoffs for the first time since 03. Oh it's on like Donkey Kong! :evil:

[D-Unit]

Thule, I'm just about ready to admit I was wrong. Every game, he gets worse and worse. I want Blalock. So here's what I want:

1.Blalock
2.Steve Smith
3.Okoye or DeMarcus Tyler
4.Jonathan Wade
5.QB
6.BPA
7.BPA
Okoye and Tyler are not 3rd round guys, imo. They should be long gone.

[pocketaces]

Apparently Jeremy Shockey has already guaranteed the Giants will beat us on Dec 3. I don't have a source other than the Ticket radio station here in Dallas. As if we didn't already have enough motivation and inspiration for that game now we don't wanna just beat them we wanna kill them. We wanna beat them like they stole somethin, we wanna beat them like they've never been beaten before. We can't show any mercy or campassion regardless of their injury situation if we get them knocked down we gotta step on their damn throat. The Giants hold the key to our playoff fate and it's time for us to beat them like a governemt mule or an ugly unwanted stepchild and return to the playoffs for the first time since 03. Oh it's on like Donkey Kong! :evil:

id take a 1 point win :D :D

[Number 10]

Apparently Jeremy Shockey has already guaranteed the Giants will beat us on Dec 3. I don't have a source other than the Ticket radio station here in Dallas. As if we didn't already have enough motivation and inspiration for that game now we don't wanna just beat them we wanna kill them. We wanna beat them like they stole somethin, we wanna beat them like they've never been beaten before. We can't show any mercy or campassion regardless of their injury situation if we get them knocked down we gotta step on their damn throat. The Giants hold the key to our playoff fate and it's time for us to beat them like a governemt mule or an ugly unwanted stepchild and return to the playoffs for the first time since 03. Oh it's on like Donkey Kong! :evil:

I likely would have heard by now if Jeremy made any sort of guarantee, and I haven't. That said, I certainly wouldn't be surpised.

Although I feel the Cowboys are a better team RIGHT NOW, it is going to be a dogfight next week. If Osi, Moss, and Short are all back I will feel much much better.

[D-Unit]

Apparently Jeremy Shockey has already guaranteed the Giants will beat us on Dec 3. I don't have a source other than the Ticket radio station here in Dallas. As if we didn't already have enough motivation and inspiration for that game now we don't wanna just beat them we wanna kill them. We wanna beat them like they stole somethin, we wanna beat them like they've never been beaten before. We can't show any mercy or campassion regardless of their injury situation if we get them knocked down we gotta step on their damn throat. The Giants hold the key to our playoff fate and it's time for us to beat them like a governemt mule or an ugly unwanted stepchild and return to the playoffs for the first time since 03. Oh it's on like Donkey Kong! :evil:

id take a 1 point win :D :D
Yeah for sure. I don't care how bad the Giants have looked, there is always a good chance they could win. Don't forget, we lost to the lowly Redskins... :?

[pocketaces]

Apparently Jeremy Shockey has already guaranteed the Giants will beat us on Dec 3. I don't have a source other than the Ticket radio station here in Dallas. As if we didn't already have enough motivation and inspiration for that game now we don't wanna just beat them we wanna kill them. We wanna beat them like they stole somethin, we wanna beat them like they've never been beaten before. We can't show any mercy or campassion regardless of their injury situation if we get them knocked down we gotta step on their damn throat. The Giants hold the key to our playoff fate and it's time for us to beat them like a governemt mule or an ugly unwanted stepchild and return to the playoffs for the first time since 03. Oh it's on like Donkey Kong! :evil:

I likely would have heard by now if Jeremy made any sort of guarantee, and I haven't. That said, I certainly wouldn't be surpised.

Although I feel the Cowboys are a better team RIGHT NOW, it is going to be a dogfight next week. If Osi, Moss, and Short are all back I will feel much much better.

he for sure said there was no way dallas would come into new york and beat them...it was on monday night countdown.

[Burns336]

Apparently Jeremy Shockey has already guaranteed the Giants will beat us on Dec 3. I don't have a source other than the Ticket radio station here in Dallas. As if we didn't already have enough motivation and inspiration for that game now we don't wanna just beat them we wanna kill them. We wanna beat them like they stole somethin, we wanna beat them like they've never been beaten before. We can't show any mercy or campassion regardless of their injury situation if we get them knocked down we gotta step on their damn throat. The Giants hold the key to our playoff fate and it's time for us to beat them like a governemt mule or an ugly unwanted stepchild and return to the playoffs for the first time since 03. Oh it's on like Donkey Kong! :evil:

I likely would have heard by now if Jeremy made any sort of guarantee, and I haven't. That said, I certainly wouldn't be surpised.

Although I feel the Cowboys are a better team RIGHT NOW, it is going to be a dogfight next week. If Osi, Moss, and Short are all back I will feel much much better.

Has moss even seen the field yet this year? To my knowledge hes been injured the whole time, he doesnt really scare me, he should be kind of lost out there after missing so much time -- plus t new and probably glenn both have the speed to keep up with him, henry is fine on plax.

[HookEm]

Shockey and his big mouth. He should beat the Titans first and then he can start talking smack....im sure Tom Coughlin doesnt appreciate that he is looking ahead.

[pocketaces]

we picked up another gaurd...
From Todd Archer ...

The Cowboys claimed guard Joe Berger off waivers from Miami and cut tight end Tony Curtis to make room on the active roster.

Berger, 6-5, 305 pounds, was a sixth-round pick of Carolina in 2005 and played in three games with the Dolphins last season but had not played in any games this season.

Berger is the second guard the Cowboys have picked up in the last two weeks, having signed Travis Leffew off Green Bay's practice squad. Curtis was called up from the Cowboys practice squad on Oct. 13 and played in four games. He was inactive against Indianapolis and Tampa Bay. If he clears waivers he is eligible to return to the Cowboys' practice squad.

[D-Unit]

At least we're seeing focus from the team that OL is a big issue.

[dpl85]

I'm not trying to say the Giants game will be easy by any means, just expressing the incredible magnitude and importance of the game. I just hope all of our players remember the incredible feeling of dissapointment, defeat and hurt when they came in our house and kicked our butts and use that for a little extra motivation. The battle cry should be paybacks are a you know what, not to mention the fact that we're almost guaranteed a playoff birth with a win. I don't think it's exaggerating to say this will probably be the biggest game of the Parcells era.

[Poet3334]

I agree. You can equate it to the Giants run when they came in to Dallas last month. They were clicking, and we were pretty inconsistent. This win can cement our consistancy, and probably the division.

[dpl85]

I didn't make a point of watching him in particular but I don't think Justin Blalock had a very good game today in Texas' upset loss to A&M. It seemed like the pass pro of the entire o-line was pretty terrible and the run blocking probably wasn't much better.

[Modano]

It's too early, but I think we have to pick the BPA whoever he is. We have not big holes to fill, but some positions that could be upgraded like CB (Glenn is 34), WR (both TO and Glenn are over 30 and I don't know if Crayton, Austin and Miles will turn out to be a #1 type of receivers), LT (Flo is slowing down), RG (Rivera is old and bad, but you can find good guards anywhere in the draft), FS (Davis is simply bad in coverage and Watkins ha some potential but...), NT (Ferguson has been very good this year but he's old and we need someone to spell time with him), QB (Bledsoe is gonna retire, imo)..

I'm agree with D-Unit about Hughes. He got amazing skills, he could stay 2 years behind Henry and Newman and learn and then be the starter. I see him as a very good playmaker playing the nickel position too.. I won't be upset if we draft a CB like him the first. We have to go for the BPA..

[Burns336]

i like jake long more than any other prospect on the o-line. I know parcellls doesnt like drafting oline early but this guy is a beast. i know all of you have seen him play so i dont need to go into detail with it. -- It might be a bit biased because my bro goes to school there but if we have no good oline prospects i love cason out of U of A for a nickle corner on out team. I would love us to sign ken hamlin unless watkins shows a dramastic improvment by the end of the year as well. i feel like we should stack our defense with young players and then focus on the offense in future drafts (the exception being a good oline pick early) i fell like with 1 more good defensive draft we are set for years and we can just concentrate on offense. TO glenn and crayton should be solid enough for one - three more year at WR and fasano seems to be gaining confidence at TE with Romo so i think we are fine there. I like gurode, kosier, and columbo -- i think we just need to look at replacing marco and flo if we can (Jake long or Justin Blaylock if available). I also would love to pick up someone like landry (granted watkins doesnt make a significant improvment in the next couple of games). Although he is a nice hitter he looks like a better FS than watkins and davis so any upgrad would be nice.

-- Mason Crosbt would also be good although i dont know if i could live with myself taking a kicker as early as the third.... (I do have friends at boulder who have told me that word on campus is that crosby has made 70 yarders in parctice and this excites me)


With the way romo has played im glad that we dont have to take a QB in the first round although d-unit has raised the point that we wont be able to give him the biggest contract ever (even though i think he will stay due to the fact that being a cowboy means more to him than a couple extra mil) and i think we will be able to attaqk the few extreme needs that we have.

pretty drunk durring this post but im pretty sure it makes sense. i love you guys. **** the colts and giants. cowboys 4 life

[Jdallas]

D-Unit is wrong about taking a QB in the first. The Cowboys wouldn't pay first round money when we needed a QB and now all of the sudden we will when we have a good one?

Bledsoe will probably leave and we'll pick up a veteran backup and maybe a developmental guy a little later in the draft.

[thule]

D-Unit is wrong about taking a QB in the first. The Cowboys wouldn't pay first round money when we needed a QB and now all of the sudden we will when we have a good one?

Bledsoe will probably leave and we'll pick up a veteran backup and maybe a developmental guy a little later in the draft.

What are you reading? Pretty sure D has came out and said numerous times now that QB is not a early need.

What game has Mosley been watching
Thought it was nice of Rivera to take time out to compliment my corduroy jacket, though. After the game, Rivera was still upset about giving up a sack to Chris Hovan. Rivera looked to his left to see if Ronde Barber was coming on the safety blitz and by the time he looked back, Hovan was pushing him like he was a grocery cart. "Out of 75 plays, that's the reason I won't be able to sleep tonight." For the record, Rivera had been the most consistent player on the offensive line over the last month. And no one on this team is happier for Romo than Rivera, who spent several years in Green Bay and sort of views Tony as a mini-Favre. And if Romo happens to read that last line, I'll hear about it. ...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/112506dnspomosley.1e7c0b58.html

[Staubach12]

D-Unit is wrong about taking a QB in the first. The Cowboys wouldn't pay first round money when we needed a QB and now all of the sudden we will when we have a good one?

Bledsoe will probably leave and we'll pick up a veteran backup and maybe a developmental guy a little later in the draft.

What are you reading? Pretty sure D has came out and said numerous times now that QB is not a early need.


I wouldn't be the most surprised person in the world if Parcells himself drafts a QB in the first round if Bledsoe retires. Free Agency is crappy at the QB position. Romo's contract comes up soon and if the Cowboys want any leverage, or safety net, they'll need someone waiting in the wings.... say Troy Smith??? The Boys can't really afford to spend 8M a year for Romo.

[pocketaces]

I didn't make a point of watching him in particular but I don't think Justin Blalock had a very good game today in Texas' upset loss to A&M. It seemed like the pass pro of the entire o-line was pretty terrible and the run blocking probably wasn't much better.


BOOMER!!! :D :D :D

[D-Unit]

D-Unit is wrong about taking a QB in the first. The Cowboys wouldn't pay first round money when we needed a QB and now all of the sudden we will when we have a good one?

Bledsoe will probably leave and we'll pick up a veteran backup and maybe a developmental guy a little later in the draft.

What are you reading? Pretty sure D has came out and said numerous times now that QB is not a early need.


I wouldn't be the most surprised person in the world if Parcells himself drafts a QB in the first round if Bledsoe retires. Free Agency is crappy at the QB position. Romo's contract comes up soon and if the Cowboys want any leverage, or safety net, they'll need someone waiting in the wings.... say Troy Smith??? The Boys can't really afford to spend 8M a year for Romo.
First off, let me clarify. I'm totally stoked that Romo has performed so well and looks like he's "our guy". What I'm unsure of is how much he'll want when his contract expires versus how much we can afford. Up to now, we've had the luxury of not spending big money on our QB. If we have to pay Romo the same way the rest of the NFL pays their QBs, we will lose a lot of what has brought us to this point. Think about it... Manning, Favre, Vick, Brees, McNabb, Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Brady, Palmer and on and on and on... Those guys have HUUUUGE contracts. If Romo commands that, we lose the ability to address other areas of the team. A big advantage that we are enjoying now. Not to mention, our team is full of young stars that will command big money of their own in the near future.

Secondly, I only said that "I wouldn't be surprised" if we took a QB early. I mean what if Brian Brohm or Troy Smith is there... I don't know that passing on them will be such an easy decision. I think we would end up passing, but I still wouldn't be surprised at anything. The QB FA crop is weak and if Bledsoe retires, we have to do something. At the moment Romo has all the leverage in the world to get what he wants. If we have a guy in the wings, we can give ourselves a better bargaining stance.

What do you guys think of Chris Simms? He's an UFA this year.

[Staubach12]

D-Unit is wrong about taking a QB in the first. The Cowboys wouldn't pay first round money when we needed a QB and now all of the sudden we will when we have a good one?

Bledsoe will probably leave and we'll pick up a veteran backup and maybe a developmental guy a little later in the draft.

What are you reading? Pretty sure D has came out and said numerous times now that QB is not a early need.


I wouldn't be the most surprised person in the world if Parcells himself drafts a QB in the first round if Bledsoe retires. Free Agency is crappy at the QB position. Romo's contract comes up soon and if the Cowboys want any leverage, or safety net, they'll need someone waiting in the wings.... say Troy Smith??? The Boys can't really afford to spend 8M a year for Romo.
First off, let me clarify. I'm totally stoked that Romo has performed so well and looks like he's "our guy". What I'm unsure of is how much he'll want when his contract expires versus how much we can afford. Up to now, we've had the luxury of not spending big money on our QB. If we have to pay Romo the same way the rest of the NFL pays their QBs, we will lose a lot of what has brought us to this point. Think about it... Manning, Favre, Vick, Brees, McNabb, Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Brady, Palmer and on and on and on... Those guys have HUUUUGE contracts. If Romo commands that, we lose the ability to address other areas of the team. A big advantage that we are enjoying now. Not to mention, our team is full of young stars that will command big money of their own in the near future.

Secondly, I only said that "I wouldn't be surprised" if we took a QB early. I mean what if Brian Brohm or Troy Smith is there... I don't know that passing on them will be such an easy decision. I think we would end up passing, but I still wouldn't be surprised at anything. The QB FA crop is weak and if Bledsoe retires, we have to do something. At the moment Romo has all the leverage in the world to get what he wants. If we have a guy in the wings, we can give ourselves a better bargaining stance.

What do you guys think of Chris Simms? He's an UFA this year.

I like Simms. We should just go with him, draft a QB in the 5th, and sign Romo a big contract.

[Poet3334]

I like Simms as well. I don't know if he'd want to start or not, but I'd like to have him as a number 2. It'd be another example of us building quality depth at key positions.

[Poet3334]

On a side note, have any of you guys heard about this Michael Irvin- Tony Romo story?

http://thebiglead.com/

[Staubach12]

On a side note, have any of you guys heard about this Michael Irvin- Tony Romo story?

http://thebiglead.com/

Oh, snap! That's just no good...

[D-Unit]

I like Simms as well. I don't know if he'd want to start or not, but I'd like to have him as a number 2. It'd be another example of us building quality depth at key positions.
You guys don't think it'd be too weird for Parcells to coach a father and son in the NFL?

[Staubach12]

I like Simms as well. I don't know if he'd want to start or not, but I'd like to have him as a number 2. It'd be another example of us building quality depth at key positions.
You guys don't think it'd be too weird for Parcells to coach a father and son in the NFL?

No, I actually like it.

[FinChase]

D-Unit is wrong about taking a QB in the first. The Cowboys wouldn't pay first round money when we needed a QB and now all of the sudden we will when we have a good one?

Bledsoe will probably leave and we'll pick up a veteran backup and maybe a developmental guy a little later in the draft.

What are you reading? Pretty sure D has came out and said numerous times now that QB is not a early need.


I wouldn't be the most surprised person in the world if Parcells himself drafts a QB in the first round if Bledsoe retires. Free Agency is crappy at the QB position. Romo's contract comes up soon and if the Cowboys want any leverage, or safety net, they'll need someone waiting in the wings.... say Troy Smith??? The Boys can't really afford to spend 8M a year for Romo.
First off, let me clarify. I'm totally stoked that Romo has performed so well and looks like he's "our guy". What I'm unsure of is how much he'll want when his contract expires versus how much we can afford. Up to now, we've had the luxury of not spending big money on our QB. If we have to pay Romo the same way the rest of the NFL pays their QBs, we will lose a lot of what has brought us to this point. Think about it... Manning, Favre, Vick, Brees, McNabb, Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Brady, Palmer and on and on and on... Those guys have HUUUUGE contracts. If Romo commands that, we lose the ability to address other areas of the team. A big advantage that we are enjoying now. Not to mention, our team is full of young stars that will command big money of their own in the near future.

Secondly, I only said that "I wouldn't be surprised" if we took a QB early. I mean what if Brian Brohm or Troy Smith is there... I don't know that passing on them will be such an easy decision. I think we would end up passing, but I still wouldn't be surprised at anything. The QB FA crop is weak and if Bledsoe retires, we have to do something. At the moment Romo has all the leverage in the world to get what he wants. If we have a guy in the wings, we can give ourselves a better bargaining stance.

What do you guys think of Chris Simms? He's an UFA this year.

I don't think Jones will have any problem giving Romo a big contract, especially if he is successful in the playoffs. He never had problems rewarding Aikman. While Romo's not in that class yet, he could be if he keeps playing this way. The quotes I've read from Jones indicates that he had problems with spending a high draft pick/big contract on a QB because the bust potential is so high.

BTW, I like your idea of Simms as a backup.

[Staubach12]

OK, I've officially decided: I want MBIII to start. I just think he's better. We should trade Jones and use Barber as the full-time back.

[Ward]

OK, I've officially decided: I want MBIII to start. I just think he's better. We should trade Jones and use Barber as the full-time back.

I've gone back and forth on this, I've even said in the past we don't need JJ. But I think I've come to agree with Parcells on this: a two-headed monster is exactly what we need. I think MB3 could do it on his own fairly well, but I don't care to find out. I think a true scat-back type guy would be better than JJ (someone with hands would be nice so MB3 isn't the only one) would be better, but JJ is fine. That is, until he wants a new contract. We should NEVER pay JJ top dollar, as soon as he demands it I want his ass gone.

[Staubach12]

OK, I've officially decided: I want MBIII to start. I just think he's better. We should trade Jones and use Barber as the full-time back.

I've gone back and forth on this, I've even said in the past we don't need JJ. But I think I've come to agree with Parcells on this: a two-headed monster is exactly what we need. I think MB3 could do it on his own fairly well, but I don't care to find out. I think a true scat-back type guy would be better than JJ (someone with hands would be nice so MB3 isn't the only one) would be better, but JJ is fine. That is, until he wants a new contract. We should NEVER pay JJ top dollar, as soon as he demands it I want his ass gone.

Even if we use the two-headed monster, I still think Barber should recieve the majority of the carries. Jones is averaging 4.0 YPC, Barber averages 5.1.

[thule]

OK, I've officially decided: I want MBIII to start. I just think he's better. We should trade Jones and use Barber as the full-time back.

I've gone back and forth on this, I've even said in the past we don't need JJ. But I think I've come to agree with Parcells on this: a two-headed monster is exactly what we need. I think MB3 could do it on his own fairly well, but I don't care to find out. I think a true scat-back type guy would be better than JJ (someone with hands would be nice so MB3 isn't the only one) would be better, but JJ is fine. That is, until he wants a new contract. We should NEVER pay JJ top dollar, as soon as he demands it I want his ass gone.

Even if we use the two-headed monster, I still think Barber should recieve the majority of the carries. Jones is averaging 4.0 YPC, Barber averages 5.1.

Barber also does the majority of his running on third down when passing situations arise...and late in the game when the defenses are run down. I really don't think YPC is a good gauge as to who gets the majority of the carries.

The only way JJ isn't with us next year is if we fall inlove like last year. Personally I could see us falling in love with Bush and him lasting till late round one. But who would trade him to? RB isn't exacty pulling a premeium this year..not many teams need one either. I mean really if you break down the top 10 teams in the league the only team that could use a younger RB would be Baltimore.

Lets say a team in the early second wants JJ...really we don't have many options here either...Texans/Browns/Raiders those teams all seem to have alot of needs...hard to see them giving up a draft pick.

Lets not forget this only happens if we find someone we think fills our RB situation better then JJ...the only back that seems to do that would be Bush...and who's to say we think he would be an upgrade. I think JJ has done just fine this year...and unless we can get a top 40 pick for him I want him to stay here.

What type of value do you even think he has....any team in the top 10 has a chance at AD and lynch...after that guys like Bush/Irons will be available early 2nd...I just don't see the math.

[JJJ888]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

[thule]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

[JJJ888]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

I don't think he lasts long enough for us to take a late-round flyer on him...although I like the Stanford guys.

[thule]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

I don't think he lasts long enough for us to take a late-round flyer on him...although I like the Stanford guys.

This draft is pretty deep for QBs...especially if a guy like Russel comes out. Not only that...but a starting QB isn't really a need for many teams...which could lead to the falling of some solid qb's. I could see Edwards lasting into the 5th round personally.

[JJJ888]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

I don't think he lasts long enough for us to take a late-round flyer on him...although I like the Stanford guys.

This draft is pretty deep for QBs...especially if a guy like Russel comes out. Not only that...but a starting QB isn't really a need for many teams...which could lead to the falling of some solid qb's. I could see Edwards lasting into the 5th round personally.

If he does, then I certainly would take him...I haven't started doing research on specific prospects yet, but I've heard that Edwards could be the #2 Senior QB, ahead of Drew Stanton...my thinking, especially with quarterbacks, is that you go where you belong--that is, regardless of the quality and depth of the position, you will usually go where your talent indicates you should, and to me, Edwards seems like a late 1st or 2nd round guy. He might slip a little bit if underclassmen do come out, but in general I believe that Edwards will be selected where his value tells scouts he should go.

[thule]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

I don't think he lasts long enough for us to take a late-round flyer on him...although I like the Stanford guys.

This draft is pretty deep for QBs...especially if a guy like Russel comes out. Not only that...but a starting QB isn't really a need for many teams...which could lead to the falling of some solid qb's. I could see Edwards lasting into the 5th round personally.

If he does, then I certainly would take him...I haven't started doing research on specific prospects yet, but I've heard that Edwards could be the #2 Senior QB, ahead of Drew Stanton...my thinking, especially with quarterbacks, is that you go where you belong--that is, regardless of the quality and depth of the position, you will usually go where your talent indicates you should, and to me, Edwards seems like a late 1st or 2nd round guy. He might slip a little bit if underclassmen do come out, but in general I believe that Edwards will be selected where his value tells scouts he should go.

You do realize he got injured for the year about half way through the year right? Torn his ACL if i'm not mistaken. Not only that but he didn't have a great impact on his team this year...he kinda underachieved what people thought he would be doing this year. So I wouldn't say his stock is up...let alone ahead of Stanton...Stanton hasn't played great either...but he's atleast played every game.

[Jdallas]

Troy Hambrick was a good RB until you gave him a full load...

[Paul]

Troy Hambrick was a good RB until you gave him a full load...

Danm I haven't heard that name in forever. Good thing I haven't either, the man used to fall before he even hit the hole. Miracle we made the playoffs that year he started.

[D-Unit]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

I don't think he lasts long enough for us to take a late-round flyer on him...although I like the Stanford guys.
Stanford guys??? Like who? Chad Hutchinson? LOL! Fa get it! I don't want Edwards... the guy couldn't win a game if his life depended on it.

If we give a look in the mid rounds at a QB, one of my favs is John Beck from BYU.

[D-Unit]

Uh guys... we need to keep JJ. He and MB3 work very well together. I've always loved MB3 more, and that's no secret, but I don't like 1 back systems. Michael Bush would be very cool though.

[Staubach12]

I'd like to see us draft a QB in the mid/late rounds to develop into a backup this year...think RYAN FITZGERALD....

Look no further then Trent Edwards baby.

I don't think he lasts long enough for us to take a late-round flyer on him...although I like the Stanford guys.
Stanford guys??? Like who? Chad Hutchinson? LOL! Fa get it! I don't want Edwards... the guy couldn't win a game if his life depended on it.

If we give a look in the mid rounds at a QB, one of my favs is John Beck from BYU.

Just wondering, what do you guys think about Stanback?

[Staubach12]

Troy Hambrick was a good RB until you gave him a full load...

Good point...

[leroyisgod]

Uh guys... we need to keep JJ. He and MB3 work very well together. I've always loved MB3 more, and that's no secret, but I don't like 1 back systems. Michael Bush would be very cool though.

Amen and Amen...talk about trading JJ is foolish.

[LSUALUM99]

I like Simms as well. I don't know if he'd want to start or not, but I'd like to have him as a number 2. It'd be another example of us building quality depth at key positions.
You guys don't think it'd be too weird for Parcells to coach a father and son in the NFL?

He's already don it with Rob and Bobby Carpenter.

[M.O.T.H.]

Dont forget about the Barber family or the Carthon's.

[D-Unit]

Troy Hambrick was a good RB until you gave him a full load...

Good point...
Here's another good point...

MB3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hambrick.

[M.O.T.H.]

When hambrick was in shape, he was a stud. I was completly sold on him, i thought he was going to be a pro bowler for years. But, of course T-Ham was not the smartest of players, he got lazy and over ate in the off season and blew his only shot. He could have been something special.

[Jdallas]

When hambrick was in shape, he was a stud. I was completly sold on him, i thought he was going to be a pro bowler for years. But, of course T-Ham was not the smartest of players, he got lazy and over ate in the off season and blew his only shot. He could have been something special.

Hambrick never had the potential to be something special. He may have had the ability to be a decent starter, but nothing more.

My point about Hambrick and Barber is that just because someone excells in their current role, it doesn't mean they will do the same in a bigger role.

[Poet3334]

Dont forget about the Barber family or the Carthon's.

Did Bill coach Ran Carthon?

[Poet3334]

When hambrick was in shape, he was a stud. I was completly sold on him, i thought he was going to be a pro bowler for years. But, of course T-Ham was not the smartest of players, he got lazy and over ate in the off season and blew his only shot. He could have been something special.

Hambrick never had the potential to be something special. He may have had the ability to be a decent starter, but nothing more.

My point about Hambrick and Barber is that just because someone excells in their current role, it doesn't mean they will do the same in a bigger role.

Excellent point. MBIII is accustomed to sharing the load. Would his play tail off if he's used more? Who can say. For now though, everything's working beautifully.

[Poet3334]

Guys, I'm watching this Falcon-Saints game. Vick has 160 yards rushing and about 60 yards in the air. Dropped passes galore. It's pretty ridiculous.

[M.O.T.H.]

Ran was on the boys for like a week or two, when the colts dropped him, if that counts.

[Poet3334]

Ran was on the boys for like a week or two, when the colts dropped him, if that counts.

That does count. Thanks M.O.T.H.

[M.O.T.H.]

When hambrick was in shape, he was a stud. I was completly sold on him, i thought he was going to be a pro bowler for years. But, of course T-Ham was not the smartest of players, he got lazy and over ate in the off season and blew his only shot. He could have been something special.

Hambrick never had the potential to be something special. He may have had the ability to be a decent starter, but nothing more.

My point about Hambrick and Barber is that just because someone excells in their current role, it doesn't mean they will do the same in a bigger role.

I loved Hambrick and I totally disagree. I believe both T-Ham and Barber have/had all the talent to become excellent starters.

[Poet3334]

I just saw Jeremy Shockey go into the locker room for x-rays. He hurt his hand in warm-ups.

[M.O.T.H.]

I just saw Jeremy Shockey go into the locker room for x-rays. He hurt his hand in warm-ups.

He's a scum bag party boy who needs a reality check. Good player though.

[Poet3334]

Yeah he is a scumbag.

[CTCowboysFan]

Gosh JDallas get a new sig....you've had it since Henry became a Cowboy. :lol:

[Staubach12]

Dallas Draft

1.Justin Blalock, OG, Texas
2.DeWayne Bowe, WR, LSU
3.Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4.Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
5.Paul Soliai, NT, Utah
6.Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7a.Syvelle Newton, WR/HB/FS, South Carolina
7b.BPA
7c.BPA

How's that?

[Poet3334]

Dallas Draft

1.Justin Blalock, OG, Texas
2.DeWayne Bowe, WR, LSU
3.Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4.Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
5.Paul Soliai, NT, Utah
6.Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7a.Syvelle Newton, WR/HB/FS, South Carolina
7b.BPA
7c.BPA

How's that?

Not bad. Don't know much about Soliai though. I'd loved Crosby there in the 3rd.

[sweetness34]

Well here's the real test for Romo. Let's see if he can do the same thing against a pretty good defense, on the road, in a harsh environment. If he can then he's got my believer card, but we'll see.

[Poet3334]

Well here's the real test for Romo. Let's see if he can do the same thing against a pretty good defense, on the road, in a harsh environment. If he can then he's got my believer card, but we'll see.

Isn't that what people said before the Carolina game? Last time I checked, they were a better defense than the Giants.

I think it'll always be something. If Romo has a good game against the Giants, then people will say well, the Giants were missing key personnel on defense. Please. Give the guy some credit.

[Staubach12]

Dallas Draft

1.Justin Blalock, OG, Texas
2.DeWayne Bowe, WR, LSU
3.Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4.Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
5.Paul Soliai, NT, Utah
6.Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7a.Syvelle Newton, WR/HB/FS, South Carolina
7b.BPA
7c.BPA

How's that?

Not bad. Don't know much about Soliai though. I'd loved Crosby there in the 3rd.

I think Wade is a steal on day 2. I'm a big fan of his and I think he has a bright future.

[Burns336]

When hambrick was in shape, he was a stud. I was completly sold on him, i thought he was going to be a pro bowler for years. But, of course T-Ham was not the smartest of players, he got lazy and over ate in the off season and blew his only shot. He could have been something special.

Hambrick never had the potential to be something special. He may have had the ability to be a decent starter, but nothing more.

My point about Hambrick and Barber is that just because someone excells in their current role, it doesn't mean they will do the same in a bigger role.

Excellent point. MBIII is accustomed to sharing the load. Would his play tail off if he's used more? Who can say. For now though, everything's working beautifully.

Im definately not a fan of getting rid of Julius and you can tell Parcells isnt either. In the tampa game he kept jones out of the 4th quarter but allowed mbIII to continue playing, and that says somthing right there. MBIII is good, and has played excellent for us, but if it aint broke -- dont fix it. We've seen what has happened to people like lamont jordan when they get a full load dropped on them.

[M.O.T.H.]

When hambrick was in shape, he was a stud. I was completly sold on him, i thought he was going to be a pro bowler for years. But, of course T-Ham was not the smartest of players, he got lazy and over ate in the off season and blew his only shot. He could have been something special.

Hambrick never had the potential to be something special. He may have had the ability to be a decent starter, but nothing more.

My point about Hambrick and Barber is that just because someone excells in their current role, it doesn't mean they will do the same in a bigger role.

Excellent point. MBIII is accustomed to sharing the load. Would his play tail off if he's used more? Who can say. For now though, everything's working beautifully.

Im definately not a fan of getting rid of Julius and you can tell Parcells isnt either. In the tampa game he kept jones out of the 4th quarter but allowed mbIII to continue playing, and that says somthing right there. MBIII is good, and has played excellent for us, but if it aint broke -- dont fix it. We've seen what has happened to people like lamont jordan when they get a full load dropped on them.

He plays for the raiders.

[RaiderNation]

damn 5 tds for romo.

[M.O.T.H.]

Eli threw another pick!!! Titans may win.

[CTCowboysFan]

hahhahahahhahah yeahhhhhhh baby!!!!!!!!!!

Giants fall to the Titans!!!!!!!! All hail Vince Young.....

Giants are gonna lose!!!!

24-21!!!

[Staubach12]

YES! The division is ours!

[BX]

Well, first-place is ours, Boys.

[Poet3334]

Wow! They have no heart.

[BX]

So, apparently, the Saints now have the #2 seed in the playoff race, so our matchup in week 10 has an even bigger significance now.

[Paul]

I love Vince Young.

[JJJ888]

Big game next week huh...we gotta be ready, because the Giants are going to be. We need to get out of the gates fast and get them down early.

[Number 10]

As angry as I am right now....

Giants are still in 1st if they win next week. Oh boy I hope we get some guys back.

[Poet3334]

As angry as I am right now....

Giants are still in 1st if they win next week. Oh boy I hope we get some guys back.

Who are you angry with? Who do you think gets the blame for this meltdown?

[JJJ888]

As angry as I am right now....

Giants are still in 1st if they win next week. Oh boy I hope we get some guys back.

What is the Giants' injury status for next week?

[leroyisgod]

As angry as I am right now....

Giants are still in 1st if they win next week. Oh boy I hope we get some guys back.

I heard today that Strahan is out next week for sure. That's not good for you.

[CTCowboysFan]

As angry as I am right now....

Giants are still in 1st if they win next week. Oh boy I hope we get some guys back.

I heard today that Strahan is out next week for sure. That's not good for you.

Thank god for us. And they are missing Toomer, we just need to shut down Plax!!!! Who would be the best matchup to cover Plax??

[M.O.T.H.]

I dont trust henry sometimes, I would like newman on him. i doubt that happens though.

[leroyisgod]

I dont trust henry sometimes, I would like newman on him. i doubt that happens though.

You need a more physical receiver on Plax and Henry is that guy. We just need to roll a safety over to help out.

[CTCowboysFan]

So who is all out for the Giants??...


We got Strahan, Toomer, and who else?

[Poet3334]

I dont trust henry sometimes, I would like newman on him. i doubt that happens though.

I think it'll happen, just not exclusively.

[leroyisgod]

So who is all out for the Giants??...


We got Strahan, Toomer, and who else?

Tuck
Petigout
Umenyora

[CTCowboysFan]

I thought Osi was back?

[leroyisgod]

I thought Osi was back?

I could be wrong, I didn't watch the game today.

[CTCowboysFan]

I thought Osi was back?

I could be wrong, I didn't watch the game today.

Nope your right I just checked.

LB Brandon Short, CB Corey Webster, OT Luke Petitgout, DL Michael Strahan, DL Osi Umenyiora, CB Sam Madison, WR Sinorice Moss, QB Tim Hasselbeck were all out.

[leroyisgod]

If it weren't for that Washington loss, we'd be one game out of home field advantage.

[CTCowboysFan]

If it weren't for that Washington loss, we'd be one game out of home field advantage.

Yeah that game just sucked. They did not deserve to win that. All because of an exaggerated 15 yard facemask call. I mean my god. That was just stupid.

[leroyisgod]

If it weren't for that Washington loss, we'd be one game out of home field advantage.

Yeah that game just sucked. They did not deserve to win that. All because of an exaggerated 15 yard facemask call. I mean my god. That was just stupid.

I read something after that game that said most fasemask penalties are of the 15 yd variety anymore. It's kind of strict if you ask me.

[CTCowboysFan]

If it weren't for that Washington loss, we'd be one game out of home field advantage.

Yeah that game just sucked. They did not deserve to win that. All because of an exaggerated 15 yard facemask call. I mean my god. That was just stupid.

I read something after that game that said most fasemask penalties are of the 15 yd variety anymore. It's kind of strict if you ask me.

It's just like if a penalty is going to decide the game and the ref can call it strict or not why can't they just call the five yard variety. I mean to me it comes down the players who play the game not the yellow cloth the refs throw, and in that game we outplayed them.

[JJJ888]

I thought Osi was back?

I could be wrong, I didn't watch the game today.

Nope your right I just checked.

LB Brandon Short, CB Corey Webster, OT Luke Petitgout, DL Michael Strahan, DL Osi Umenyiora, CB Sam Madison, WR Sinorice Moss, QB Tim Hasselbeck were all out.

So which of those guys are going to be out next week...that's the big question.

[CTCowboysFan]

I thought Osi was back?

I could be wrong, I didn't watch the game today.

Nope your right I just checked.

LB Brandon Short, CB Corey Webster, OT Luke Petitgout, DL Michael Strahan, DL Osi Umenyiora, CB Sam Madison, WR Sinorice Moss, QB Tim Hasselbeck were all out.

So which of those guys are going to be out next week...that's the big question.

Yep, if those corners are out my goodness imagine...TO and Terry Glenn will shread their defense apart! And especially Strahan because historically he kills us. If those three guys are out we would definitely have a hige advantage. Please Please I hope these guys are out.

[CTCowboysFan]

Looking at the games ahead

@ NY Giants
New Orleans Saints
@ Atlanta
Philadelphia
Detroit
---------------

I would take us VS. the Giants and then either one or the other between the Saints and Falcons, and then I say we win two in a row at season's end making our record 11-5.....

[Burns336]

Looking at the games ahead

@ NY Giants
New Orleans Saints
@ Atlanta
Philadelphia
Detroit
---------------

I would take us VS. the Giants and then either one or the other between the Saints and Falcons, and then I say we win two in a row at season's end making our record 11-5.....

i personally think we go 12-4... the giants are beat up, the saints have no defense, atlanta is a wreck (all the criticism is starting to get to vick), philly cant tackle if their lives depended on it and detroit... well its detroit.

[sweetness34]

Looking at the games ahead

@ NY Giants
New Orleans Saints
@ Atlanta
Philadelphia
Detroit
---------------

I would take us VS. the Giants and then either one or the other between the Saints and Falcons, and then I say we win two in a row at season's end making our record 11-5.....

i personally think we go 12-4... the giants are beat up, the saints have no defense, atlanta is a wreck (all the criticism is starting to get to vick), philly cant tackle if their lives depended on it and detroit... well its detroit.

I think you'll go 3-2 in those 5 games personally, possibly 4-1. New Orleans will be tough, as will Atlanta and NY on the road. Not un-winnable games but they'll be tough to win.

[CTCowboysFan]

Looking at the games ahead

@ NY Giants
New Orleans Saints
@ Atlanta
Philadelphia
Detroit
---------------

I would take us VS. the Giants and then either one or the other between the Saints and Falcons, and then I say we win two in a row at season's end making our record 11-5.....

i personally think we go 12-4... the giants are beat up, the saints have no defense, atlanta is a wreck (all the criticism is starting to get to vick), philly cant tackle if their lives depended on it and detroit... well its detroit.

I also think we have a good chance to go undefeated the rest of the regular season I just don't know how likely it is. I just want to beat New York right now.

[Mitch]

I'd be very happy with 4-1 the rest of the way and a 1st round bye.

[Modano]

Vince Young has my babies. He's once again a Texas' hero :D

[JJJ888]

In my mind, here are the chances we win each of our remaining 5 games:

-Giants: 40%. You can expect the Giants to come out hard, fighting for their playoff lives at home. With the possible return of Osi and Strahan, I think we could have some trouble handling the G-Men. But of all our remaining games, this is a must-win.

-Saints: 60%. We had their number in preseason, and we should again here.

-Falcons: 60%. The Falcons are fading. FAST.

-Philadelphia: 55%. You know that Philly will come out playing for pride, especially against a division rival.

-Detroit: 90%. Detroit will be TRYING to lose out...

That would give us 3 wins, putting us at 10-6, which should definitely make the playoffs.

[bigmac076]

I sat next to a Giants fan for the whole 4th quarter of yesterday and it was quite a sight. As for next weeks game I think all we have to do is shutdown Jacobs and Barber and make Eli try to beat us. The Giants are really in disarray after yesterday's loss; especially on a player to coach level. I can tell the comments made by Coughlin after the game yesterday will definetly shake up that locker room. I mean Shockey ALREADY wants his coach's head on a platter. And after Coughlin publicly calling into question the thought process of his QB, (not that it wasnt an ill advised throw; but you talk to Eli about it, not the media) he is not one of Eli's closest companions either. Coughlin is doing his best to segregate himself from his players like usual. As far as the rest of the games, 11-5 is definetly a realistic goal. Our defense, just as our QB, has been on fire and they need to stay that way for the remainder of the season.

[bigbluedefense]

This is the season for the Giants. As weird as it sounds, I think if we win we are 1st again in the division? I don't know, don't quote me on that.

But its clear we're struggling right now. I think we're very close to anarchy in the lockerroom, and this game will be a good indicator of the character of our players and coaches. This is pretty much a must win for us.

Id say a must win for you guys too. I know its on the road, but the way we're reelling right now, theres no excuse to come to our house and lay an egg. The Cowboys confidence is at an all time high, and we're on our heels, so for the Cowboys this is the perfect oppurtunity to run away with the division.

I reserve judgement on the game until I find out whos playing. Short, Osi, Strahan, Madison, Emmons are all ?s for the game on defense.

And on offense, we still haven't given Whitfield any help on the blindside (horrible coaching) so Ware could feast on Eli if we continue to not make adjustments.

Quite simply, defensively you guys gotta stop our run game, offensively, we gotta wait and see who plays on our defense. Right now Dallas is clearly the favorite.

[DWhitner20]

Romostud is playing on a Godlike Level. I've got myself a mancrush.

:oops:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1316/dromoon6.jpg

:D

[dpl85]

As expected the Dec 10 game against New Orleans has been moved to NBC primetime 7:15 per dallasnews.com/ the DMN.

[DMWSackMachine]

I like our chances, both in this upcoming game and in the remainder of the season. It is absolutely possible for us to run the table with the way the teams on our schedule are playing.

However, just as I cautioned myself and my fellow Cowboy fans not to get too low after the Giants and Redskin losses, we can't get too high right now, either. All it would take would be one big injury, a couple of turnovers or a player not preparing his best to cost us this upcoming game in disastrous fashion, and then next week everything would look different then it does now. All I can say is that we should enjoy our time on top right now, and hope for the best in the future. There is no need or call to go about boasting and strutting. Things are looking completely the opposite now of how they looked after the week 7 loss to the G-men, and they can flip back around just as quickly. Still,...I like our chances. Let's leave it at that for now.

A couple thoughts:

- I'm getting sick of us just lying back and playing ultra-conservative against bad teams. I mean, in games against the Cards, the Bucs, the Texans and the Titans - bad teams with bad protection and young, easily confused QBs - we have generated a total of 3 sacks. THREE SACKS! And it's all because we sit back in coverage and wait for them to make big time mistakes. I completely understand that it is the smart way to play the percentages, but it cost us 4 or 5 big plays, and we haven't had a lot of plays going the other way to counteract that. In contrast, our best pressure games have come against Washington (1st game), Indy, Philly and Carolina. All teams with good to great protection (Washington and Indy are 3rd and 1st in sacks allowed) and veteran QBs who know where to go with the ball and usually understand where the pressure is coming from. It might be the "high percentage" thing to do, but it doesn't generate huge plays defensively and it allows for the occasional breakdown in the secondary. It sucks.

- I am psyched that we were able to get JJ through the game with only 11 touches. That is something that Parcells has been very open about over the last two weeks - keeping some "gas in the tank" for the stretch run. I expect Julius to have at least one or two of his signature blow-up games in this 5-game stretch, and Barber should see a bit smaller work-load.

- At some point, I will be forced to believe in Romo, but right now I'm still in the denial stage. I mean, how often do you see a Cinderella story like that? QB is the single hardest position in this league to fill effectively over a long period of time. At any given time, there are usually only 8-10 teams that are secure in knowing their QB will be there performing at a high level for the next 6-10 years, and that knowledge almost always comes at the price of an extremely high pick + at least a year or two of development in which the team flounders. To have an undrafted guy who comes in without ever playing and immediately lifts the entire team is something that is nearly unheard of. I need to see it for at least a full year before I start believing his is a top-tier guy for years to come. It sure is hard holding back, though.

- Hatcher may end up being one of the 2 or 3 biggest steals of the entire draft. This guy is developing into a real pressure player, while still being big enough to anchor vs. the run and fast enough to string a play out. It's early, but he could end up being Parcells' best draft choice when everything is said and done.

- At some point in time, Parcells is going to have to go to Watkins as the guy at FS. Davis just does not see the field well enough, and has no recovery speed when he gets behind someone. Will we ever figure that spot out?

- Did you guys hear Aikman giving Newman some love? He said "some would argue that this guy is the best corner in the entire league". It's that kind of exposure that a CB needs to get his due, since Newman will never promote himself. Still, his play continues to show that he is a premiere player at his position. Once again, Galloway did nothing on the left side of our defense. Can't really say anything more.

- Can you believe that they called that Ayodele Int as incomplete? That was a hugely blown call, and our replay system deserves major props for correcting mistakes like that. It wasn't even close.

- The one concern that I came away with is our run defense. This unit has been playing subpar for the last two weeks, against two mediocre running teams. I'm wondering if we should be concerned, or if this is just a blip on the radar. I know the numbers aren't shockingly big, but imagine what a truly good running team like the Giants, Charger or Chiefs would do. I hope Parcells works on it big-time this week.

[Jdallas]

DMW, I don't really understand your frustration with playing it conservative against bad teams. Isn't it a good idea to save your good packages and good plays for when you need them instead of wasting them. The only real negative is not getting guys to the Pro Bowl and such, but that stuff takes care of itself when you're winning. People may tell you that Ware isn't good because he doesn't get enough sacks or Newman doesn't get enough INTs, but it doesn't matter as long as your team is winning.

[bearsfan_51]

DMW, I don't really understand your frustration with playing it conservative against bad teams. Isn't it a good idea to save your good packages and good plays for when you need them instead of wasting them. The only real negative is not getting guys to the Pro Bowl and such, but that stuff takes care of itself when you're winning. People may tell you that Ware isn't good because he doesn't get enough sacks or Newman doesn't get enough INTs, but it doesn't matter as long as your team is winning.
Bingo Bango Jango.

[DMWSackMachine]

DMW, I don't really understand your frustration with playing it conservative against bad teams. Isn't it a good idea to save your good packages and good plays for when you need them instead of wasting them. The only real negative is not getting guys to the Pro Bowl and such, but that stuff takes care of itself when you're winning. People may tell you that Ware isn't good because he doesn't get enough sacks or Newman doesn't get enough INTs, but it doesn't matter as long as your team is winning.

Quite simply this: being a fan a lot of times is about bragging rights. For the team, it might be the smart thing to do, but for the fans it sucks. It doesn't make the players any better or worse to do it that way, but it sure makes it easier when you're in an argument with a division rivals' fans and you need concrete evidence to back it up. Plus, I still think we win all those games against the Texans, Titans, Cards and Bucs even if we go crazy with blitzing, stunting and anything else we can throw at them. In fact, we probably win by even greater margins, unless some hack like Gradkowski or Carr can beat us multiple times without having the corresponding bad plays. It's just boring.

We could and should have had 5+ sacks in each of those games, instead we get to watch us rush 3 or 4 guys per play and a lot of incomplete or underneath passes, with the occassional big play after our rush doesn't get the QB and he runs around til our coverage breaks down.

I just don't like watching it, that's all. Of course, if I have to choose between stats and wins, it's no contest. But it sure would be nice to see one of those 7 sacks, 4 Ints, 2 FF kind of games that come from being aggressive. That's all.

[Number 10]

So who is going to be the new Cowboys kicker?

[DMWSackMachine]

So who is going to be the new Cowboys kicker?

Mason Crosby.

[dpl85]

According to Adam Schefter we have cut Vanderclank and signed Martin Gramatica. As much as I hated Vanderclank im not sure Gramtica is really any better.

[Paul]

So who is going to be the new Cowboys kicker?

For next year?

Hopefully Josh Brown, Josh Scobee or Mason Crosby

[Number 10]

So who is going to be the new Cowboys kicker?

Mason Crosby.

I'm talking about this week.

[Paul]

According to Adam Schefter we have cut Vanderclank and signed Martin Gramatica. As much as I hated Vanderclank im not sure Gramtica is really any better.

You have a link?

[dpl85]

According to Adam Schefter we have cut Vanderclank and signed Martin Gramatica. As much as I hated Vanderclank im not sure Gramtica is really any better.

You have a link?
No but it's on the news ticker on NFL network.

[Paul]

Hmmm... I don't how to feel. We'll see how he kicks this coming week.

again I ask where is Billy Cundiff?

[bigbluedefense]

Wow...I think BP pulled the trigger a little too quickly on this one. But then again, only the team knows what goes on in practice.

Thats a big hit financially, and they wouldn't do it unless he was at a point of no return most likely. Not going after Vinatieri hurts now for you guys.

I never thought he was good. I always said he sucks. Even in Indy, prior to last season I thought so. Hes never hit a clutch kick his entire career.

Having that said...I wish he was still on your team. :lol:

[dpl85]

Ed Werder is also reporting Vanderclank being cut on ESPNews.

At least Gramtica should be a lot better on kicoffs right?

[Staubach12]

So who is going to be the new Cowboys kicker?

Mason Crosby.

Hopefully.

[Poet3334]

Oh boy

[Staubach12]

Oh boy

QFT

[dpl85]

Oh boy

QFT
Ok this has been bugging me for awhile what does QFT stand for. Is it something you can even type without being banned.

[The Unseen]

Oh boy

QFT
Ok this has been bugging me for awhile what does QFT stand for. Is it something you can even type without being banned.

"Quoted for Truth"

[Poet3334]

How are we all feeling about this?

[Paul]

How are we all feeling about this?

:D :) :( :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :!: :|

[DWhitner20]

I'm pretty relieved Vanderjagt is out, he's horrible.

[Poet3334]

How are we all feeling about this?

:D :) :( :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :!: :|


Yeah, me too. Wasn't Grammatica a kickoff specialist for Indy this year?
Maybe his leg strength is back.... I hope.

[Poet3334]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

[DWhitner20]

How are we all feeling about this?

:D :) :( :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :!: :|


Yeah, me too. Wasn't Grammatica a kickoff specialist for Indy this year?
Maybe his leg strength is back.... I hope.

He played 3 games while Vinateri was out.

[Staubach12]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

Yeah, he was terrible. 3rd round this year, I want Crosby.

[Poet3334]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

Yeah, he was terrible. 3rd round this year, I want Crosby.

We need to make it happen!

[Jughead10]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

Yeah, he was terrible. 3rd round this year, I want Crosby.

More like 2nd if you really want him.

[FinChase]

Wow...I think BP pulled the trigger a little too quickly on this one. But then again, only the team knows what goes on in practice.

Thats a big hit financially, and they wouldn't do it unless he was at a point of no return most likely. Not going after Vinatieri hurts now for you guys.

I never thought he was good. I always said he sucks. Even in Indy, prior to last season I thought so. Hes never hit a clutch kick his entire career.

Having that said...I wish he was still on your team. :lol:
Actually, I read something awhile back that said the Cowboys did go after Vinatieri. He was supposed to visit Dallas right after Indianapolis, but instead he went ahead and signed with the Colts and the plane ticket was never used. I don't have a link for it now; it's been too long ago. But I agree that it hurts.

[M.O.T.H.]

I said we should have given gramatica a call in week 2 of the season, I guess it just took a while to get the message to BP. :D Good move.

[dpl85]

Here's a link. Mike Vanderjagt we hardly knew ye. :lol:

This experiment failed miserably, I hope this is the first and last time we ever spend big money on a kicker. It's crazy to think there are so many good kickers out there making next to nothing and we were paying this guy 3 mil.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=2BA779A2-0550-76DF-143D05EDE8EE6EC9

[Poet3334]

Someone will pick him up. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the Redskins.

[thule]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

Yeah, he was terrible. 3rd round this year, I want Crosby.

Have you researched the stats on rookie kickers. I believe it was Jdallas last year who argued about the use of a different tee which usually leads to a disappointing first year.

I'm pretty sure Josh Brown can be brought to big d with a 3rd rounder.

Think about this...last year all we have to give up with a piddly 7th rounder...Something can't be right about that.

[D-Unit]

I think most guys would've said TO woulda been run outta town before Vandy. LOL!

Good riddence.

Welcome Automatica Gramatica! :lol:

[thule]

Just like to say that Matt Mosley posted on resigning Romo in his blog.

With each passing week, Tony Romo's asking price is going up. You might recall him signing a two-year extension worth $3.9 million in August that included a $2 million signing bonus.

I'm told the Cowboys will wait until after the season before tearing up that contract and starting over.

[Poet3334]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

Yeah, he was terrible. 3rd round this year, I want Crosby.

Have you researched the stats on rookie kickers. I believe it was Jdallas last year who argued about the use of a different tee which usually leads to a disappointing first year.

I'm pretty sure Josh Brown can be brought to big d with a 3rd rounder.

Think about this...last year all we have to give up with a piddly 7th rounder...Something can't be right about that.

Josh Brown just made a 46 yarder in the snow.

[thule]

I am glad Vandy's gone. No confedence whatsoever.

Yeah, he was terrible. 3rd round this year, I want Crosby.

Have you researched the stats on rookie kickers. I believe it was Jdallas last year who argued about the use of a different tee which usually leads to a disappointing first year.

I'm pretty sure Josh Brown can be brought to big d with a 3rd rounder.

Think about this...last year all we have to give up with a piddly 7th rounder...Something can't be right about that.

Josh Brown just made a 46 yarder in the snow.

I would argue with anyone that he is the best kicker out there..not to mention he is only in his 20's...

[Poet3334]

I'd love to have Brown here.

[D-Unit]

It's Josh Brown or bust!

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Congrats on getting rid of Vanderjagt.

[FinChase]

I haven't seen him play in quite awhile, so is Gramatica any improvement over Vandershank?

According to dc.com, they are also about to sign Carlos Martinez, the kicker from the Dallas arena league team to the practice squad.

[thule]

I haven't seen him play in quite awhile, so is Grammatica any improvement over Vandershank?

According to dc.com, they are also about to sign Carlos Martinez, the kicker from the Dallas arena league team to the practice squad.

Well Vandy only hit about 70% of his kicks...and only could kick off to the 5-10 yard line. I think he will definately help us on kickoffs...as long as he hits 70% of his fieldgoals he's an upgrade imo.

I wouldn't look into the PS kicker very much...prob just a precausionary measure...wonder who gets kicked off the ps then?

[thule]

It's Josh Brown or bust!

/agreed
He is a RFA correct? any idea on compensation...I was just guessing a 3rd would get the job done. Hell I'll give up a 2nd round pick we all konw we hit on our 4th round picks more then 2nd rounders neways :P

[M.O.T.H.]

Gramatica was a stud this pre season.

[Jdallas]

It's Josh Brown or bust!

/agreed
He is a RFA correct? any idea on compensation...I was just guessing a 3rd would get the job done. Hell I'll give up a 2nd round pick we all konw we hit on our 4th round picks more then 2nd rounders neways :P

I think he was a RFA last year and should be unrestricted this year.

[FinChase]

I haven't seen him play in quite awhile, so is Grammatica any improvement over Vandershank?

According to dc.com, they are also about to sign Carlos Martinez, the kicker from the Dallas arena league team to the practice squad.

Well Vandy only hit about 70% of his kicks...and only could kick off to the 5-10 yard line. I think he will definately help us on kickoffs...as long as he hits 70% of his fieldgoals he's an upgrade imo.

I wouldn't look into the PS kicker very much...prob just a precausionary measure...wonder who gets kicked off the ps then?
Hell, I'll consider it an upgrade if he can just hit consistently inside of 40 yards!

[pocketaces]

The Cowboys have just replaced the most accurate kicker in league history with, perhaps, one of the most inaccurate kickers in football.

Over the 2003-04 seasons, Martin Gramatica was 6-of-12 from 30-39 yards. But he did manage to go 4-of-13 in the 40-49 range.

It appears that Bill Parcells has traded one headcase for another, but at least this guy jumps around a lot on the rare occasions when he connects. :( :shock: :? :? :x :| scary huh?

on another note, does anyody know why romo wears #9? there was a good write up in my paper today on the subject..but if everybody already knows......

[M.O.T.H.]

The Cowboys have just replaced the most accurate kicker in league history with, perhaps, one of the most inaccurate kickers in football.

Over the 2003-04 seasons, Martin Gramatica was 6-of-12 from 30-39 yards. But he did manage to go 4-of-13 in the 40-49 range.

It appears that Bill Parcells has traded one headcase for another, but at least this guy jumps around a lot on the rare occasions when he connects. :( :shock: :? :? :x :| scary huh?

on another note, does anyody know why romo wears #9? there was a good write up in my paper today on the subject..but if everybody already knows......

At one time Gramatica was arguablly the best kicker in the game, it was a toss up between him and Olindo Mare. Yes, it looked like he was done these last few years but, he was phenominal in a patriots uni during this camp and pre season. I was shocked that no one gave him a ring, he looked like the player of old, he finally looks healthy again. I love the pick up.

[Poet3334]

It's Josh Brown or bust!

/agreed
He is a RFA correct? any idea on compensation...I was just guessing a 3rd would get the job done. Hell I'll give up a 2nd round pick we all konw we hit on our 4th round picks more then 2nd rounders neways :P

I think he was a RFA last year and should be unrestricted this year.

Yeah, they gave him a one year tender. He's unrestricted this year.

[M.O.T.H.]

We should wait a few years and then draft South carolina's stud, Ryan Succop.

[M.O.T.H.]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

[Number 10]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

[M.O.T.H.]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

This is true, I'm sure the majority havent even seen him play. yes, he has a nice leg but, talk about overrated on this board.

[bigmac076]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/doink.jpg
photo of Vanderjagt leaving the Cowboys facilities


couldn't be happier to get rid of Vanderjagt a.k.a. Doink the Clown!

[LSUALUM99]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

This is true, I'm sure the majority havent even seen him play. yes, he has a nice leg but, talk about overrated on this board.

If the Cowboys draft any kicker on the first day of any Draft I'll be suprememly PISSED OFF.

Look at Vanderjagt as an example. He hit 13 of 18 field goals and we say he's having a terrible season. Had he hit 16 of 18 field goals we'd be extremely happy.

That's 3 friggen FG's in 11 games. Jesus, that's worth a first day draft pick? NO WAY.

One can argue that a FG here or there wins or loses a game. True. But the bottom line is that what you should be looking at is the difference between an elite player at their position and a 'JUST A GUY' at their position. For QB's, CB's, LT's, DE/OLB this is a big difference. That's why these guys go so high in the draft. The difference between an Elite Kicker and a JAG is very small in comparison. That's why you don't waste a first day pick on them.

Mike Nugent for example....2nd round draft pick IIRC, hitting a whopping 80% (12 of 15) of his kicks. Josh Brown, the one that everyone wants us to get, is 14 of 18 this year (yes, that's right, just one better than Vanderjagt).

If anything as a coach you should get a guy that consistantly connects well on KO's and not worry about FG%. The FG% from top to bottom is pretty close. KO's there is more variance on. Bear in mind that Vandy is averaging 59.9 on his kick offs and Nugent is averaging 60.3, Vandy has more touchbacks than Nugent also. Vandy's return average is 18 while Nugent's is over 20. So, Vandy is a BETTER KO guy than the 2nd round draft pick. PLEASE do not waste a first day pick on a kicker.

[SFbear]

Reminds me of Doug Brien. Most accurate kicker in the NFL. Chokes in the playoffs. Bears sign him the next year and is absolutely terrible. Thank god for Robbie Gould.

[bigmac076]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

This is true, I'm sure the majority havent even seen him play. yes, he has a nice leg but, talk about overrated on this board.

If the Cowboys draft any kicker on the first day of any Draft I'll be suprememly PISSED OFF.

Look at Vanderjagt as an example. He hit 13 of 18 field goals and we say he's having a terrible season. Had he hit 16 of 18 field goals we'd be extremely happy.

That's 3 friggen FG's in 11 games. Jesus, that's worth a first day draft pick? NO WAY.

One can argue that a FG here or there wins or loses a game. True. But the bottom line is that what you should be looking at is the difference between an elite player at their position and a 'JUST A GUY' at their position. For QB's, CB's, LT's, DE/OLB this is a big difference. That's why these guys go so high in the draft. The difference between an Elite Kicker and a JAG is very small in comparison. That's why you don't waste a first day pick on them.

Mike Nugent for example....2nd round draft pick IIRC, hitting a whopping 80% (12 of 15) of his kicks. Josh Brown, the one that everyone wants us to get, is 14 of 18 this year (yes, that's right, just one better than Vanderjagt).

If anything as a coach you should get a guy that consistantly connects well on KO's and not worry about FG%. The FG% from top to bottom is pretty close. KO's there is more variance on. That's where Vandy lacks, but for god's sake, don't waste a first day pick on a kicker.

no way waste a day one pick on a lowly kicker. Need to address too many other positions. I wanna see 2 OLs and an NT on day one.

[thule]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

This is true, I'm sure the majority havent even seen him play. yes, he has a nice leg but, talk about overrated on this board.

If the Cowboys draft any kicker on the first day of any Draft I'll be suprememly PISSED OFF.

Look at Vanderjagt as an example. He hit 13 of 18 field goals and we say he's having a terrible season. Had he hit 16 of 18 field goals we'd be extremely happy.

That's 3 friggen FG's in 11 games. Jesus, that's worth a first day draft pick? NO WAY.

One can argue that a FG here or there wins or loses a game. True. But the bottom line is that what you should be looking at is the difference between an elite player at their position and a 'JUST A GUY' at their position. For QB's, CB's, LT's, DE/OLB this is a big difference. That's why these guys go so high in the draft. The difference between an Elite Kicker and a JAG is very small in comparison. That's why you don't waste a first day pick on them.

Mike Nugent for example....2nd round draft pick IIRC, hitting a whopping 80% (12 of 15) of his kicks. Josh Brown, the one that everyone wants us to get, is 14 of 18 this year (yes, that's right, just one better than Vanderjagt).

If anything as a coach you should get a guy that consistantly connects well on KO's and not worry about FG%. The FG% from top to bottom is pretty close. KO's there is more variance on. Bear in mind that Vandy is averaging 59.9 on his kick offs and Nugent is averaging 60.3, Vandy has more touchbacks than Nugent also. Vandy's return average is 18 while Nugent's is over 20. So, Vandy is a BETTER KO guy than the 2nd round draft pick. PLEASE do not waste a first day pick on a kicker.

I agree with the no drafting of a kicker. I really don't understand it...rookie kickers never seem to make an impact their first year. They seem to struggle more often then not.

I just figured since you pointed out that Brown is just 1 kick better then Vandy. I would back him up.

Do you realize inside the 40 Brown has only missed 5 kicks in his whole career.

He has never missed from inside the 30.

He has only missed one extra point in 168 attempts...pretty sure it was blocked.

He actually has a higher percentage at 50+ then the 40-49 range but either way he has been good from that range as well.

He constantly hits the goalline on kickoffs not to mention he has ability to kick to the corners.

I think one last note is needed. He has kicked his whole career in Seattle with some wierd weather. I think bring him into a dome and his percentage goes up 2-5 %

[LSUALUM99]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

This is true, I'm sure the majority havent even seen him play. yes, he has a nice leg but, talk about overrated on this board.

If the Cowboys draft any kicker on the first day of any Draft I'll be suprememly PISSED OFF.

Look at Vanderjagt as an example. He hit 13 of 18 field goals and we say he's having a terrible season. Had he hit 16 of 18 field goals we'd be extremely happy.

That's 3 friggen FG's in 11 games. Jesus, that's worth a first day draft pick? NO WAY.

One can argue that a FG here or there wins or loses a game. True. But the bottom line is that what you should be looking at is the difference between an elite player at their position and a 'JUST A GUY' at their position. For QB's, CB's, LT's, DE/OLB this is a big difference. That's why these guys go so high in the draft. The difference between an Elite Kicker and a JAG is very small in comparison. That's why you don't waste a first day pick on them.

Mike Nugent for example....2nd round draft pick IIRC, hitting a whopping 80% (12 of 15) of his kicks. Josh Brown, the one that everyone wants us to get, is 14 of 18 this year (yes, that's right, just one better than Vanderjagt).

If anything as a coach you should get a guy that consistantly connects well on KO's and not worry about FG%. The FG% from top to bottom is pretty close. KO's there is more variance on. Bear in mind that Vandy is averaging 59.9 on his kick offs and Nugent is averaging 60.3, Vandy has more touchbacks than Nugent also. Vandy's return average is 18 while Nugent's is over 20. So, Vandy is a BETTER KO guy than the 2nd round draft pick. PLEASE do not waste a first day pick on a kicker.

I agree with the no drafting of a kicker. I really don't understand it...rookie kickers never seem to make an impact their first year. They seem to struggle more often then not.

I just figured since you pointed out that Brown is just 1 kick better then Vandy. I would back him up.

Do you realize inside the 40 Brown has only missed 5 kicks in his whole career.

He has never missed from inside the 30.

He has only missed one extra point in 168 attempts...pretty sure it was blocked.

He actually has a higher percentage at 50+ then the 40-49 range but either way he has been good from that range as well.

He constantly hits the goalline on kickoffs not to mention he has ability to kick to the corners.

I think one last note is needed. He has kicked his whole career in Seattle with some wierd weather. I think bring him into a dome and his percentage goes up 2-5 %

Well a couple of things to add....


Lets not talk about 'career stats' because Vanderjagt has shown that career stats mean next to nothing.

Also, 50% of Brown's games are not in Seattle...so your assumption of 2-5% improvement is basically a random number that you pulled out of thing air. No basis for this number whatsoever.

Lastly, Brown has missed more kicks from 30-39 yards this year than Vanderjagt with less attempts.


I'm not trying to turn this into a Brown v. Vanderjagt discussion. I do not like Vanderjagt at all. My point is that the difference between kickers in the NFL is so ridiculously small that wasting a draft pick on one is silly (6th or 7th round picks I can live with).


Bring on Battlestar Gramatica!!!

[thule]

What's with the Crosby fascination? he hasnt been that good this season, granted most of his misses are from 50 out but, he is kicking under 70% this year.

Because a heavy dose of the posters here look at Scott's ranking and Scott's ranking only to formulate their opinions.

This is true, I'm sure the majority havent even seen him play. yes, he has a nice leg but, talk about overrated on this board.

If the Cowboys draft any kicker on the first day of any Draft I'll be suprememly PISSED OFF.

Look at Vanderjagt as an example. He hit 13 of 18 field goals and we say he's having a terrible season. Had he hit 16 of 18 field goals we'd be extremely happy.

That's 3 friggen FG's in 11 games. Jesus, that's worth a first day draft pick? NO WAY.

One can argue that a FG here or there wins or loses a game. True. But the bottom line is that what you should be looking at is the difference between an elite player at their position and a 'JUST A GUY' at their position. For QB's, CB's, LT's, DE/OLB this is a big difference. That's why these guys go so high in the draft. The difference between an Elite Kicker and a JAG is very small in comparison. That's why you don't waste a first day pick on them.

Mike Nugent for example....2nd round draft pick IIRC, hitting a whopping 80% (12 of 15) of his kicks. Josh Brown, the one that everyone wants us to get, is 14 of 18 this year (yes, that's right, just one better than Vanderjagt).

If anything as a coach you should get a guy that consistantly connects well on KO's and not worry about FG%. The FG% from top to bottom is pretty close. KO's there is more variance on. Bear in mind that Vandy is averaging 59.9 on his kick offs and Nugent is averaging 60.3, Vandy has more touchbacks than Nugent also. Vandy's return average is 18 while Nugent's is over 20. So, Vandy is a BETTER KO guy than the 2nd round draft pick. PLEASE do not waste a first day pick on a kicker.

I agree with the no drafting of a kicker. I really don't understand it...rookie kickers never seem to make an impact their first year. They seem to struggle more often then not.

I just figured since you pointed out that Brown is just 1 kick better then Vandy. I would back him up.

Do you realize inside the 40 Brown has only missed 5 kicks in his whole career.

He has never missed from inside the 30.

He has only missed one extra point in 168 attempts...pretty sure it was blocked.

He actually has a higher percentage at 50+ then the 40-49 range but either way he has been good from that range as well.

He constantly hits the goalline on kickoffs not to mention he has ability to kick to the corners.

I think one last note is needed. He has kicked his whole career in Seattle with some wierd weather. I think bring him into a dome and his percentage goes up 2-5 %

Well a couple of things to add....


Lets not talk about 'career stats' because Vanderjagt has shown that career stats mean next to nothing.

Also, 50% of Brown's games are not in Seattle...so your assumption of 2-5% improvement is basically a random number that you pulled out of thing air. No basis for this number whatsoever.

Lastly, Brown has missed more kicks from 30-39 yards this year than Vanderjagt with less attempts.


I'm not trying to turn this into a Brown v. Vanderjagt discussion. I do not like Vanderjagt at all. My point is that the difference between kickers in the NFL is so ridiculously small that wasting a draft pick on one is silly (6th or 7th round picks I can live with).


Bring on Battlestar Gramatica!!!

I agree the career thing isn't a big factor...but another thing to bring in is that brown has been clutch in his career. Brown has consistantly kicked to the goalline in his career. Brown has never missed inside of the 30. These are all things that we haven't seem to have here in forever.

Who was the last kicker in big d to be Consistant on KO's/Consistant inside the 30/Clutch/Have the leg to kick 55+?

I agree...be our man Gramatican

[FinChase]

We should wait a few years and then draft South carolina's stud, Ryan Succop.

If nothing else, we could have a lot of fun with that last name. :D

[dan77733]

I'm somewhat surprised that Vanderjagt was let go at this time. If anything, I was expecting him to get released in the off-season. Vanderjagt was missing some easy kicks but let's say, he would have finished the season, 22 of 27. That's not bad at all. His problem that he kept kicking the ball too much to his right. He needed to pull the ball inside more to the left and he would probably still have his job.

Signing Gramatica isnt much better. After all, isnt he the one who broke his leg after jumping up and down after making a FG? And what the hell happened to his brother Bill? The only real negative about Vanderjagt was his short kickoffs.

One thing is for sure, Gramatica better not miss any FG's on Sunday or we may be having another conversation like this one in a week from now.

And for the record, I would have went after Viniateri (sp?) in free agency instead of Vanderjagt to begin with but that's just me.

[thule]

I'm somewhat surprised that Vanderjagt was let go at this time. If anything, I was expecting him to get released in the off-season. Vanderjagt was missing some easy kicks but let's say, he would have finished the season, 22 of 27. That's not bad at all. His problem that he kept kicking the ball too much to his right. He needed to pull the ball inside more to the left and he would probably still have his job.

Signing Gramatica isnt much better. After all, isnt he the one who broke his leg after jumping up and down after making a FG? And what the hell happened to his brother Bill? The only real negative about Vanderjagt was his short kickoffs.

One thing is for sure, Gramatica better not miss any FG's on Sunday or we may be having another conversation like this one in a week from now.

And for the record, I would have went after Viniateri (sp?) in free agency instead of Vanderjagt to begin with but that's just me.

We tried....but he signed before we ever got to talk to him.

I believe it was bill who hurt himself from celebration.

[bigmac076]

I'm somewhat surprised that Vanderjagt was let go at this time. If anything, I was expecting him to get released in the off-season. Vanderjagt was missing some easy kicks but let's say, he would have finished the season, 22 of 27. That's not bad at all. His problem that he kept kicking the ball too much to his right. He needed to pull the ball inside more to the left and he would probably still have his job.

Signing Gramatica isnt much better. After all, isnt he the one who broke his leg after jumping up and down after making a FG? And what the hell happened to his brother Bill? The only real negative about Vanderjagt was his short kickoffs.

One thing is for sure, Gramatica better not miss any FG's on Sunday or we may be having another conversation like this one in a week from now.

And for the record, I would have went after Viniateri (sp?) in free agency instead of Vanderjagt to begin with but that's just me.

We tried....but he signed before we ever got to talk to him.

I believe it was bill who hurt himself from celebration.

Im sure almost every Cowboys' fan in the country is happy to see the move. I don't know about anyone else, but everytime "Doink the clown" lined up for a FG, I would get sick to my stomach.

[Pokeys]

Im not really happy to see Vanderjagt released. I have mixed feelings about it.

[thule]

Im not really happy to see Vanderjagt released. I have mixed feelings about it.

After reading Mick's Shots I got this.

Vandy will count 1.6 million against the cap next year.

Another interesting state he pulled out....
Gramaticao On 445 career kickoffs, he’s averaged right at the 7-yard line, and averages a touchback one out of every nine kicks.
I thought it was deeper then that....wow Vandy was doing that.

[D-Unit]

What's really satisfying is the fact that the guys running our personel decisions share our opinions that OL and K are major areas of concern and are trying to address them now. That at least points to signs that we will address them in the offseason if they are still concerns.

[dpl85]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.

[Paul]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.

If we put Levi inside at G I wouldn't mind it. He is definitely strong enough and good enough of a run blocker to play guard. Not sure if he's athletic enough to play LT, even though he does so now, but if he can I wouldn't hate the pick.

This is if Blalock is off the board of course.

[Poet3334]

Speaking of the Ravens, Adalius Thomas is a free agent this year. Would anyone be interested?

[bigmac076]

Speaking of the Ravens, Adalius Thomas is a free agent this year. Would anyone be interested?

Well i dont really think, judging by his height and weight, he fits in our front 7. Probably not quick enough or tall enough to play OLB, too small to play NT. Only spot would be at end and I think Canty and Spears are both holding there own, plus they are both bigger and taller. I wouldn't object to adding him for depth, but I doubt that's what Adalius has in mind.

[Poet3334]

Speaking of the Ravens, Adalius Thomas is a free agent this year. Would anyone be interested?

Well i dont really think, judging by his height and weight, he fits in our front 7. Probably not quick enough or tall enough to play OLB, too small to play NT. Only spot would be at end and I think Canty and Spears are both holding there own, plus they are both bigger and taller. I wouldn't object to adding him for depth, but I doubt that's what Adalius has in mind.

He's actually played OLB in a 3-4 before. He's very quick. I think he's the perfect size, 6-1 265. I don't think we'll go that route though. Who knows, we may not even have to if Ellis comes back, or if Carp is ready. I'm banking on Carp to be ready next year.

[D-Unit]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

[bigbluedefense]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

I think you guys should get that FA OG from Jacksonville, whats his name? Maniwawi or something. He'd be a good fit.

Then get that heralded OG, if he's off the board, I think you look at Jake Long. If he's off the board, then I think you give Levi some consideration.

The thing about Levi, he reminds me alot of Marcus McNeil. But whats the chances you find 2 gems 2 years in a row ya know? I don't know, its a tough call.

I actually have some concerns about Long right now. I did an indepth analysis of him during the Ohio State game, and I didn't like what I saw out of his pass protection. He's a bluecollar tough guy run blocker, but he's not technically sound enough of a pass blocker. His footwork in pass protection needs to improve, and he doesn't engage his DE in a lockup technique very well. I don't know, but for some reason I see some Gallery in him. Anyone else have similar thoughts?

[Poet3334]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

Columbo has played very well this year with a few exceptions here and there. The one that comes to mind for me was the missed assignment of the field goal try against the Skins. That still burns me because we would be on a 5 game winning streak... but I digress. I don't like Scotts analysis at all.

[D-Unit]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

Columbo has played very well this year with a few exceptions here and there. The one that comes to mind for me was the missed assignment of the field goal try against the Skins. That still burns me because we would be on a 5 game winning streak... but I digress. I don't like Scotts analysis at all.
I thought it was Witten who missed the block... I guess I'm probably wrong. The one game that stuck out for me was Columbo's game against Peppers. It was like a coming of age game for him.

[D-Unit]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

I think you guys should get that FA OG from Jacksonville, whats his name? Maniwawi or something. He'd be a good fit.

Then get that heralded OG, if he's off the board, I think you look at Jake Long. If he's off the board, then I think you give Levi some consideration.

The thing about Levi, he reminds me alot of Marcus McNeil. But whats the chances you find 2 gems 2 years in a row ya know? I don't know, its a tough call.

I actually have some concerns about Long right now. I did an indepth analysis of him during the Ohio State game, and I didn't like what I saw out of his pass protection. He's a bluecollar tough guy run blocker, but he's not technically sound enough of a pass blocker. His footwork in pass protection needs to improve, and he doesn't engage his DE in a lockup technique very well. I don't know, but for some reason I see some Gallery in him. Anyone else have similar thoughts?
I tried to pay attention to Long in that game, but I must admit, I was much more concerned with the score of the game. Thankfully, Michigan covered. ;) I respect your grade analysis of players and if you think that of Long then, it makes me think twice about wanting him. I still want him on the team, and hopefully his performance will cause his to drop some, because at his current rating, he seems to be going fairly high in mock drafts.

I loved Marcus McNeill in the beginning of the college season but his back problems caused to me to change my mind on him... as well as a lot of NFL experts who's reports I was reading on him. Amazing how bad info can have such an adverse effect. With the way he's been dominating this season, he should've been drafted ahead of D'Brick! HA!

As long as we address OL in the offseason whether through the draft or FA, I'll be a happy camper.

The Jags OL, you speak of is Vince Manuwai. On of the strongest players ever to come out of Hawaii.... according to Hawaii's strength coach.

[DMWSackMachine]

It's this sort of thing that discredits Scott's NFL analysis, at least in my mind. He talks about certain players as if they're trash - when you can tell that he hasn't watched much, if any, game film on them - when the player is actually having a certain amount of "under the radar" success, and then he ignores big-name players that are playing under par but are beyond reproach because of past accomplishments.

That's why his "team needs" section is basically worthless in my eyes, and his draft grades by extension are marred. For example, this last year he docked us in his report card because he didn't think we needed a TE, DE or an OLB. He thought we should have gone OT, OG, FS. Well, we signed Kosier - who has been very solid for us - and worked with Colombo (who has not given up a sack all year long) and all of a sudden we go from horrid to middle of the pack. Yet he still thinks that our O-line is a huge problem area.

Now, I would probably agree that it is our biggest need right now, but not because it is a weakness, per se, but rather because the rest of our team is so talented that a mid-level area is actually the weakest point on our team. Any other team in this league would not need to address their O-line if they had ours, that's how well rounded and deep this team is. Just very, very few holes.

[Jughead10]

How about NT? I know they are extremely hard to find and realisticly you might not be able to get one in the draft, but wouldn't that be the Cowboys biggest need over O-line?

[bigbluedefense]

It's this sort of thing that discredits Scott's NFL analysis, at least in my mind. He talks about certain players as if they're trash - when you can tell that he hasn't watched much, if any, game film on them - when the player is actually having a certain amount of "under the radar" success, and then he ignores big-name players that are playing under par but are beyond reproach because of past accomplishments.

That's why his "team needs" section is basically worthless in my eyes, and his draft grades by extension are marred. For example, this last year he docked us in his report card because he didn't think we needed a TE, DE or an OLB. He thought we should have gone OT, OG, FS. Well, we signed Kosier - who has been very solid for us - and worked with Colombo (who has not given up a sack all year long) and all of a sudden we go from horrid to middle of the pack. Yet he still thinks that our O-line is a huge problem area.

Now, I would probably agree that it is our biggest need right now, but not because it is a weakness, per se, but rather because the rest of our team is so talented that a mid-level area is actually the weakest point on our team. Any other team in this league would not need to address their O-line if they had ours, that's how well rounded and deep this team is. Just very, very few holes.

I don't know about that. Im not too impressed with the holes your OGs make for Julius in run blocking, and your Tackles aren't the best either. Remember Romo is great at buying time, so he makes them look better than they are. Theyre an average oline, that looks better than they are under Romo, worse under Bledsoe.

But the thing that sticks out to me is the OGs need to do a better job run blocking. Thats why I think OG in FA and one in the draft would do you guys wonders. You can never have too much oline. I personally think skill position players are overrated. Id much rather have a rock solid line and average skill position players than the other way around. If you guys had dominant OGs who can really create some inside holes for the running back and relieve some dtackle pressure up the middle, your offense would be that much better.

[D-Unit]

One thing Parcells has failed in fixing while here is the OL. We have had a lot of miserably failed attempts. Or RT has been a revolving door... Remember Ryan Young? We've tried every living body there! Torrin Tucker, Ryan Petitti, even Tyson Walter! Finally we have Columbo there and I feel he's adequate. He must have the Team Comeback Player of the Year award for the Cowboys. ...even though he never played a down for us prior to this year. LOL. Did he really not surrender a sack all year? I didn't realize that. Are you sure? Even with Bledsoe back there?

I'm sure we haven't yet forgotten Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman... Good grief!

[Modano]

One thing Parcells has failed in fixing while here is the OL. We have had a lot of miserably failed attempts. Or RT has been a revolving door... Remember Ryan Young? We've tried every living body there! Torrin Tucker, Ryan Petitti, even Tyson Walter! Finally we have Columbo there and I feel he's adequate. He must have the Team Comeback Player of the Year award for the Cowboys. ...even though he never played a down for us prior to this year. LOL. Did he really not surrender a sack all year? I didn't realize that. Are you sure? Even with Bledsoe back there?

I'm sure we haven't yet forgotten Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman... Good grief!

During the thanskgiving game, Joe Buck said that he has not allowed a sack in 9 games out of 11 (now are 10 of 12). I'm pretty sure he had a bad game against Strahan..

[Poet3334]

It's this sort of thing that discredits Scott's NFL analysis, at least in my mind. He talks about certain players as if they're trash - when you can tell that he hasn't watched much, if any, game film on them - when the player is actually having a certain amount of "under the radar" success, and then he ignores big-name players that are playing under par but are beyond reproach because of past accomplishments.

That's why his "team needs" section is basically worthless in my eyes, and his draft grades by extension are marred. For example, this last year he docked us in his report card because he didn't think we needed a TE, DE or an OLB. He thought we should have gone OT, OG, FS. Well, we signed Kosier - who has been very solid for us - and worked with Colombo (who has not given up a sack all year long) and all of a sudden we go from horrid to middle of the pack. Yet he still thinks that our O-line is a huge problem area.

Now, I would probably agree that it is our biggest need right now, but not because it is a weakness, per se, but rather because the rest of our team is so talented that a mid-level area is actually the weakest point on our team. Any other team in this league would not need to address their O-line if they had ours, that's how well rounded and deep this team is. Just very, very few holes.

I agree with everything you just said DMW.

[Jughead10]

One thing Parcells has failed in fixing while here is the OL. We have had a lot of miserably failed attempts. Or RT has been a revolving door... Remember Ryan Young? We've tried every living body there! Torrin Tucker, Ryan Petitti, even Tyson Walter! Finally we have Columbo there and I feel he's adequate. He must have the Team Comeback Player of the Year award for the Cowboys. ...even though he never played a down for us prior to this year. LOL. Did he really not surrender a sack all year? I didn't realize that. Are you sure? Even with Bledsoe back there?

I'm sure we haven't yet forgotten Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman... Good grief!

During the thanskgiving game, Joe Buck said that he has not allowed a sack in 9 games out of 11 (now are 10 of 12). I'm pretty sure he had a bad game against Strahan..

I'm glad someone brought that up. Colombo hasn't given up a sack all year? Strahan had 2. Was waiting until someone actually remembered this.

[Poet3334]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

Columbo has played very well this year with a few exceptions here and there. The one that comes to mind for me was the missed assignment of the field goal try against the Skins. That still burns me because we would be on a 5 game winning streak... but I digress. I don't like Scotts analysis at all.
I thought it was Witten who missed the block... I guess I'm probably wrong. The one game that stuck out for me was Columbo's game against Peppers. It was like a coming of age game for him.

Yeah it was Columbo. I believe he did it twice in that game. I think he's been really good this year. I agree D-Unit, that Panthers game was outstanding, not just because of his performance, but because everyone was so sure he would be destroyed.

[Ward]

They initially thought it was Witten, but it was Colombo.

[bigmac076]

How about NT? I know they are extremely hard to find and realisticly you might not be able to get one in the draft, but wouldn't that be the Cowboys biggest need over O-line?

I was actually thinking about either Tank Tyler or Amobi Okoye with the first round pick. If we can finish off our D-Line with a solid, young NT then why the hell not?

[thule]

No matter how we slice the pie....if you haven't realized columbo's play...then chances are hes played well.

I actually fought with scott about this...he just replied that scouts were surprised he was starting...I'm no scout....but he has played great almost all year. Sure he gave up some sacks earlier...but not many 3 i believe all year. He shut down the hottest DE in the game. He didn't even get alot of help...Flo had more help in the game. This has been the way it is all year...


Columbo has really only sucked at engaging the DE on a run play...he seems to be slow off the ball. But when him and witten are asked to seal the outside its golden. Not only that...but when Columbo gets upfield to the 2nd level he is a great blocker. He has sprung a couple of plays for us this year. Another important thing is....how many times have you heard his number called for a penalty...not alot which is another great thing.

I on the other hand do think Brown could play inside. Personally if we are picking at 20 I think thats damn early for a guy who isn't a real deal. I would rather have McCauley over him actually.

My Big Board
1. Tedd Ginn
2. Justin Blalock
3. Jake Long/Sam Baker
4. Reggie Nelson
5. Tank Tyler
6. Marcus McCauley

Any of the players above I would be happy with in the first round. If we are after pick 25 we really don't have a shot at the top 3. But 4/5/6 all have a chance at being around till the end of the first round.

Anyone else have a big board?

Anyone else believe in what scott says about Long being more of a RT in NFL then LT. I personally think he has everything you look for in a powerful LT....just needs a little footwork help which is coachable.

[dpl85]

According to Parcells in a recent press conference Colombo hasn't given up a sack all year, I don't think he would just make that up or anything. Parcells put the Giants game sacks on Bledsoe for holding on too long and not reading where to throw to properly.

[D-Unit]

How about NT? I know they are extremely hard to find and realisticly you might not be able to get one in the draft, but wouldn't that be the Cowboys biggest need over O-line?

I was actually thinking about either Tank Tyler or Amobi Okoye with the first round pick. If we can finish off our D-Line with a solid, young NT then why the hell not?
I'm on the side that I think NT is a huge need, but I'm not completely sold on either of those guys. It's not Vince Wilfork we're talking about here...

[Number 10]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

[Jdallas]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

It's only going to make it all the worse when you lose.

[Jughead10]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

[D-Unit]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.
What's scary for the Cowboys is...

As bad as you guys have been playing, if you win this game, you're right back in great shape!

[Number 10]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

I wonder if we whip out the red jerseys again

[Jughead10]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

I wonder if we whip out the red jerseys again

I hope not. Despite winning last year, we don't play well in them. Last year was an ugly victory that was one basically by Antonio Pierce telling Clancy what to do and taking the handoff from Bledsoe. Conditions were terrible that game. It had snowed that morning and it was terrible cold and very windy. I'm hoping for similar conditions.

[Poet3334]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.
What's scary for the Cowboys is...

As bad as you guys have been playing, if you win this game, you're right back in great shape!


Too true. For all the turmoil and sloppy play, it only takes one big victory to turn it around.

[dpl85]

If LaRon Landry is there do we take him or should we wait and hope Watkins develops into a solid player? Landy doesn't seem to be as hyped as last year, has he not played as well this year? I haven't really paid too much attention to LSU.

[bigbluedefense]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

I wonder if we whip out the red jerseys again

Im pretty sure we do. We always whip em out during our most important home game of the season. Eli's first year, it was during his first home game. Last year, it was the game vs the Cowboys which ultimately determined who would win the division. This year, its most likely this game.

[bigbluedefense]

If LaRon Landry is there do we take him or should we wait and hope Watkins develops into a solid player? Landy doesn't seem to be as hyped as last year, has he not played as well this year? I haven't really paid too much attention to LSU.

Honestly, Ive been saying this for awhile now, the quality of play between him and Reggie Nelson is miniscule. Landry is a top 10 pick however, and Nelson is a early 2nd. The value difference is not so much that it warrants the position difference on the board.

I personally have Reggie Nelson rated higher, I think he's better than Landry, but thats just me.

[Number 10]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

I wonder if we whip out the red jerseys again

Im pretty sure we do. We always whip em out during our most important home game of the season. Eli's first year, it was during his first home game. Last year, it was the game vs the Cowboys which ultimately determined who would win the division. This year, its most likely this game.

They don't bring them out for the "big games".....they have been used the past 2 years as a Christmas marketing scheme....which to my knowledge didn't help out financially too much. I was thinking they would wear them Christmas Eve, but that would all but negate the fans to go out and buy red jerseys as presents with Santa coming into town that night.

[Number 10]

If LaRon Landry is there do we take him or should we wait and hope Watkins develops into a solid player? Landy doesn't seem to be as hyped as last year, has he not played as well this year? I haven't really paid too much attention to LSU.

Honestly, Ive been saying this for awhile now, the quality of play between him and Reggie Nelson is miniscule. Landry is a top 10 pick however, and Nelson is a early 2nd. The value difference is not so much that it warrants the position difference on the board.

I personally have Reggie Nelson rated higher, I think he's better than Landry, but thats just me.

I wouldn't mind either with our 1st pick....but Landry is slightly better in every aspect of the game. He also has about 10-15 pounds on him if not more.

[bigbluedefense]

If LaRon Landry is there do we take him or should we wait and hope Watkins develops into a solid player? Landy doesn't seem to be as hyped as last year, has he not played as well this year? I haven't really paid too much attention to LSU.

Honestly, Ive been saying this for awhile now, the quality of play between him and Reggie Nelson is miniscule. Landry is a top 10 pick however, and Nelson is a early 2nd. The value difference is not so much that it warrants the position difference on the board.

I personally have Reggie Nelson rated higher, I think he's better than Landry, but thats just me.

I wouldn't mind either with our 1st pick....but Landry is slightly better in every aspect of the game. He also has about 10-15 pounds on him if not more.

I just like Reggie's playmaking ability. I can't say for sure, but I recall Reggie making more big plays this year than Landry.

[Giantsfan1080]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

I wonder if we whip out the red jerseys again

Im pretty sure we do. We always whip em out during our most important home game of the season. Eli's first year, it was during his first home game. Last year, it was the game vs the Cowboys which ultimately determined who would win the division. This year, its most likely this game.

I hate to do this in the Cowboy thread but your wrong about Eli's first game. His first game and his first home game was against the Falcons and we did not wear the red jerseys that game. We wore the red jerseys against the Eagles at home that year.

[bigbluedefense]

Dang this may be the most hyped Cowboys-Giants game in quite some time. NY media, and national media isn't getting off this one.

Last years game in Giants Stadium was pretty hyped. Tickets were expensive. I had to cough up 200 a piece.

I wonder if we whip out the red jerseys again

Im pretty sure we do. We always whip em out during our most important home game of the season. Eli's first year, it was during his first home game. Last year, it was the game vs the Cowboys which ultimately determined who would win the division. This year, its most likely this game.

I hate to do this in the Cowboy thread but your wrong about Eli's first game. His first game and his first home game was against the Falcons and we did not wear the red jerseys that game. We wore the red jerseys against the Eagles at home that year.

whoops, my bad. I like the Red Jerseys. They mean business. And they look mean as hell in em. It just doesn't make sense though bc we're big blue, not big red.

Id love to wear them as away jerseys. Our away jersey is fugly.

[thule]

If LaRon Landry is there do we take him or should we wait and hope Watkins develops into a solid player? Landy doesn't seem to be as hyped as last year, has he not played as well this year? I haven't really paid too much attention to LSU.

Landry has been just as solid this year as last. He has great value if he is there when we pick. Watkins was a 5th round pick...to replace him with a talent like Landry is a no brainer imo. Depends what else is left on the board. But like bbd said Landry is a top 10 talent.

[DMWSackMachine]

One thing Parcells has failed in fixing while here is the OL. We have had a lot of miserably failed attempts. Or RT has been a revolving door... Remember Ryan Young? We've tried every living body there! Torrin Tucker, Ryan Petitti, even Tyson Walter! Finally we have Columbo there and I feel he's adequate. He must have the Team Comeback Player of the Year award for the Cowboys. ...even though he never played a down for us prior to this year. LOL. Did he really not surrender a sack all year? I didn't realize that. Are you sure? Even with Bledsoe back there?

I'm sure we haven't yet forgotten Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman... Good grief!

During the thanskgiving game, Joe Buck said that he has not allowed a sack in 9 games out of 11 (now are 10 of 12). I'm pretty sure he had a bad game against Strahan..

I'm glad someone brought that up. Colombo hasn't given up a sack all year? Strahan had 2. Was waiting until someone actually remembered this.

Um, actually Parcells said recently that Colombo had not given up a sack in the last nine games, which would include the Giants game. Here the link http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/11/21/ and the quote:

...Parcells also praised right tackle Marc Colombo, saying that he hasn't given up a sack over the last nine games. "That was a position that some of you were worried about," he said. I seem to recall Colombo giving up a sack against the Giants, but I could be wrong..

The reason why Mosley, and everyone else, recall Colombo having given up a sack is because of the monster day that Strahan had. Particularly, the play you remember was a one of the first of the game, when Mike came of the end unblocked. Interestingly enough, it was only a short drop (3 step, I believe), and yet Bledsoe waited and waited to pass the ball. Curious? Well, it turns out that the play call was supposed to be a short, quick pattern to the weakside, and Colombo was actually supposed to block down on the DT (which he did) because there is no way that Strahan could have reached the QB in time to affect the play. Well, Bledsoe improvised and was trying to get the ball down the field to a different reciever, and Strahan came unblocked and drilled him one.

Now you realize what Parcells was talking about when he said "too much improvisation", referring to the reason why he benched Drew.

Colombo has been pretty darn good. He did get handled by Strahan that game, though. Still, he never gave up a sack.

[Staubach12]

If LaRon Landry is there do we take him or should we wait and hope Watkins develops into a solid player? Landy doesn't seem to be as hyped as last year, has he not played as well this year? I haven't really paid too much attention to LSU.

I said this earlier: If we pass on Landry, I will impale someone with a garden gnome. Most likely Jerry Jones.

[D-Unit]

Personally, I would rather have Nelson than Landry for our needs.

Nelson's recovery/closing speed to sooo awesome to watch! It allows him to play off his man, tricking QBs that their WR is open, and then he just closes in like a hawk! He's got elite speed. I really wouldn't be surprised if he was the fastest guy at the combine.

Landry is much better closer to the line and attacking opposing backfields and is also a harder hitter while at the same time good in coverage and breaking up passes. ...but there's no way he's got Nelson's speed and coverage skills.

For our needs Nelson is a better fit for us, imo. Plus, his returning skills are elite. Along the lines of Devin Hester, Pac Man Jones, Justin Miller...

He's simply a game breaker. A guy that can turn around a game single handedly. Whether it be an INT or kick return... not to mention he's got 2 blocked kicks this year...

If we're picking where I hope we're picking... closer to 30 than 20... I'd love for us to get Nelson.

[M.O.T.H.]

How about NT? I know they are extremely hard to find and realisticly you might not be able to get one in the draft, but wouldn't that be the Cowboys biggest need over O-line?

I was actually thinking about either Tank Tyler or Amobi Okoye with the first round pick. If we can finish off our D-Line with a solid, young NT then why the hell not?
I'm on the side that I think NT is a huge need, but I'm not completely sold on either of those guys. It's not Vince Wilfork we're talking about here...

I wish we drafted Gabe Watson.

[JJJ888]

Team Needs:
1. OT--Not a right tackle, but a young left tackle who can eventually take the place of a regressing Flozell Adams.
2. NT--Fergie can't do it by himself.
3. OG--Rivera is getting old, and I'm still not totally confident in Kosier.
4. S--Watkins is still a question mark, although I think he will turn out fine. Might not hurt to bring in another guy though, maybe in the middle rounds.
5. CB--Glenn is getting old and Reeves and Jones haven't stepped up.
6. K--WTF can I say about our kicking situation? :? I don't have much confidence in Grammatica either.

[tuan33]

Usually teams don't draft NT's, they just look for the 350lbs monsters in free agency. Most guys coming out don't weigh more than 310lbs, so the best option is to look for one during FA.

[DMWSackMachine]

I think the best way to approach this "what position do we go with" question is one of two ways:

1) Simply BPA. Yes, the trite and cliched approach. Still, this is one of the few teams that really can afford to draft the player that has the most to offer, regardless of position. Name me a position that truly stands out with it's mediocre quality. The closest you could come is the FS position. However, the two arguments against that are that a) the position of FS is not one where you would get an "elite" talent to fill and b) Watkins has displayed the talent and ability to be an above average player there, if only he can work some kinks out. If you think about it, he has only gotten burned on one play all year, which was the double move by Baskett in the Eagle game. The LJ Smith 60-yarder was a mental mistake - something to be expected from a rookie safety - and the Reggie Brown and Plaxico Burress TDs were both cases where he has been in perfect position, but just didn't go up for the ball. There is definitely some potential there. So, yes, we can afford to go BPA if there is a player there that is significantly better than the rest.

2) The other option is to look at where our resources are distributed now (and where they will be in the immediate future) and try to project where we else we could potentially invest. We have big-money or first round picks invested in 2 CBs, 1 S, 1 DE, 3 OLBs, 2 ILBs, 1 NT, 2 OG, 1OT, 2 WRs, and 1 TE.

So what is left after that? Some combo of 1 S, 1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OT, 1 C, 1 TE, 1 RB, and QB.

Well, we've also got a young stud or two at DE that will be commanding larger contracts in Canty and Hatcher, so you can cross that off. Is Colombo the long-term answer at OT? Where does McQuistan fit in down the road? Is Gurode going to be resigned? We have Fasano at TE who looks to be a keeper despite his early season struggles, and Romo is playing himself into a big fat contract extension this summer.

What does that leave out?

Safety, DT/NT, and RB with question marks at OT, C, and maybe Guard (taking into consideration Rivera's advanced age).

What is amazing is the fact that we are still under the salary cap with so much invested in so many places. Yet, we are getting by with young, cheap help like Canty, MBIII, JJ, Ratliff, Colombo, and Romo. When the contracts start coming up, we are going to have to let some of them go. So who is it? Not Romo. Probably not Canty. Do you see where this is going? I think there is a good case to be made for drafting a RB with our first pick. I love JJ and MBIII, but JJ is in the last year of his deal next year. He will want a good sized contract, and I don't think he is appreciably better than what we could get with a 2nd rounder, and probably not as good as what we could get with a 1st. I say, if there is a way to pull it off, that we go for Marshawn Lynch, or take Michael Bush if we can't get up that high. Just something to think about.

[$KidCowboy$]

I want a
OG-Rivera is getting old, although his play is improving...still we're going to need one..bad. I don't want a Guard to ruin a future season.
S-Don't like Watkins or Davis, please watch Davis on Galloways long catch. he slips in coverage, then whiffs trying to make the tackle. I was at the game and the DB coach was yelling at him nonstop for probably 5 straight minutes.
NT-Maybe 2nd or 3rd. No big prospects jump out at me.
OT-I'm not sold on McQuistan as a potential replacement..didn't really like him in College, but hey, if Parcells likes him...

Living in Connecticut, this is a must-win game, especially since I've been rubbing our lead into all my friends' faces all week. It will be horrible if we lose and they get back on top.

We just need Eli to throw an early pick and miss a couple throws. Things seem to spiral downward based on his play. I would love to see a Shockey/Eli blowup this game. Offensively let's throw it early and often (more of the same..every one of the past few games we've opened up pass, pass, pass..anyone else noticed that?) Their secondary is horrendous. Hopefully Osi/Strahan if he plays (my friend's dad, a trainer, says that he WILL, he might be bsing though) will not be full strength. I'd take a hobbling Strahan over a full strength Kiwi.
Also, we might not have to run the ball a ton, I just hope we can get 4.0 YPC on the ground, just to keep them honest. Although I want to pass often, we can't give up on the ground game if it isn't working. If JJ can't get going, I want MB3 in ASAP. He should be good for extra yards even if the holes aren't there.
Defensively, I want to keep seeing a lot of Burnett, Hatcher, and Ratliff, I really like the kids. Good energy. And even though I KNOW it won't happen, i want to see T-New shadow Plaxico like he did to Steve Smith and TO..if he can shut him down we can focus on Shockey and make TIM CARTER and DAVID TYREE beat us.
and woww, I want Greg Ellis back SO bad for this game
I'll add more concerns/comments later.