Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[M.O.T.H.]

My personal opinion for the draft... (Top Needs not picked by round)

1. RG (Rivera looks to have tailed off significantly)
2. LT (I love Flozell but, his lateral movement...ugh)
3. NT (Fergie has been excellent but, not getting any younger)
4. PR (Prior to injury Thompson was top in the NFC in KR avg so, I think we need a PR guy only.)
5. K (Lets see how Martin works out, we need someone)
6. WR (I dont really believe we need one but, a speed guy wouldnt hurt)
7. LB (with the loss of Ellis and the possible departure of Al, we could use some depth)

No need...

FS (I wanna see more of Watkins, not a huge liabilty, sure tackler)
CB (Glenn may be old but, he is still playing at a high level)
QB (Romo!!!, we will need a vet backup)

[LSUALUM99]

Laron Landry is the real deal. He will be a top 10 pick once the combine rolls around. I guarantee he puts up better numbers speed / strength / size wise than any other safety in the nation. He will run 4.4 or lower. He ran a 4.34 coming out of High School.

Don't take this as a homer statement either, I think Jamarcus Russell will be the biggest bust in the first round if he's drafted that high. He makes the worst mental mistakes despite the talent to be a great player. Be fore warned that any team that expects to take Jamarcus and go on to great things is in for a rude awakening.

If Glenn Dorsey choses to come out as a Junior this year, any team that drafts him in the 3rd round is getting a steal!

As for the Cowboys, I personally think that the first round pick needs to be a CB / WR or RB. The only reason I put RB up there is if a talented RB slides to us unexpetedly (ala Stephen Jackson in 2004).

CB is an area where we have some serious talent but also is a position that a great player can help immediately without starting (nickel / dime and as a KR / PR or on other ST).

With regards to who we draft I take a different approach than some. I look to see if there is any position of QUANTITY that we lack talent at.

S - lots of just a guys on this team here, but Watkins has potential
LB - stacked
DL - stacked with possible exception of NT
OL - LT and RG are possibilities
WR - Definite need for talent here that is young.
QB - Set
RB - Most injury prone position in the NFL - MBIII is NOT, I repeat NOT a feature back for a full season
TE - Set

CB is a high demand position where you can never have too many CBs. Also, Nate Jones and Jaq Reeves are decent but if Newman or Henry went down for an extended period I'd be extremely worried. How long can Aaron Glenn be expected to play at a high level?

I really want us to draft a CB / WR / RB (whichever holds the most value at the pick available) in the first round.

I don't think we'll address OL until rounds 3+.


Also, I know alot of you don't read footballoutsiders.com but according to their metrics, Dallas is the ONLY team in the NFL in the top 5 in Offense and Defense based on success rate. You don't get that type of success rate with a terrible OL. Our OL is top 10 in the NFL right now so it doesn't concern me nearly as much as it appears to concern everyone else.

[fryman]

I have said this once, but I think instead of going after a tailback we should try getting Brian Leonard for FB. He is somebody you can trust to run, block, and catch out of the backfield. That would also let us move Hoyte back to LB, though I don't know how likely that really is.

I think the best thing would be to address one of the OL positions and NT in free agency. I really don't think it is that likely that Parcells uses two first day picks on offensive linemen, and NT isn't an easy position to come into the NFL and play early. Hopefully Stanley puts on some more muscle in the off season and we can keep him too.

Other FA needs are- QB and K

If we can pick those up in FA I think we should draft-
OG or OT early
CB with return skills
Leonard
OL
Saftey
Maybe a QB
WR (if Crayton isn't resigned)

[M.O.T.H.]

I have said this once, but I think instead of going after a tailback we should try getting Brian Leonard for FB. He is somebody you can trust to run, block, and catch out of the backfield. That would also let us move Hoyte back to LB, though I don't know how likely that really is.

I think the best thing would be to address one of the OL positions and NT in free agency. I really don't think it is that likely that Parcells uses two first day picks on offensive linemen, and NT isn't an easy position to come into the NFL and play early. Hopefully Stanley puts on some more muscle in the off season and we can keep him too.

Other FA needs are- QB and K

If we can pick those up in FA I think we should draft-
OG or OT early
CB with return skills
Leonard
OL
Saftey
Maybe a QB
WR (if Crayton isn't resigned)

Leonard is the second coming of Richie Anderson... A Parcells guy but, the FB doesnt have a huge role in our O. Seems like it would be a pick wasted.

[Ward]

I have said this once, but I think instead of going after a tailback we should try getting Brian Leonard for FB. He is somebody you can trust to run, block, and catch out of the backfield. That would also let us move Hoyte back to LB, though I don't know how likely that really is.

I think the best thing would be to address one of the OL positions and NT in free agency. I really don't think it is that likely that Parcells uses two first day picks on offensive linemen, and NT isn't an easy position to come into the NFL and play early. Hopefully Stanley puts on some more muscle in the off season and we can keep him too.

Other FA needs are- QB and K

If we can pick those up in FA I think we should draft-
OG or OT early
CB with return skills
Leonard
OL
Saftey
Maybe a QB
WR (if Crayton isn't resigned)

Leonard is the second coming of Richie Anderson... A Parcells guy but, the FB doesnt have a huge role in our O. Seems like it would be a pick wasted.

Can you imagine alternating between 2 TE sets with Fasano to a traditional I with Leonard? Or a goal line formation with Leonard as the RB and Hoyte as the FB?

I think our chances of actually taking Leonard depend completely upon Hoyte's progression.

[Paul]

I have said this once, but I think instead of going after a tailback we should try getting Brian Leonard for FB. He is somebody you can trust to run, block, and catch out of the backfield. That would also let us move Hoyte back to LB, though I don't know how likely that really is.

I think the best thing would be to address one of the OL positions and NT in free agency. I really don't think it is that likely that Parcells uses two first day picks on offensive linemen, and NT isn't an easy position to come into the NFL and play early. Hopefully Stanley puts on some more muscle in the off season and we can keep him too.

Other FA needs are- QB and K

If we can pick those up in FA I think we should draft-
OG or OT early
CB with return skills
Leonard
OL
Saftey
Maybe a QB
WR (if Crayton isn't resigned)

Leonard is the second coming of Richie Anderson... A Parcells guy but, the FB doesnt have a huge role in our O. Seems like it would be a pick wasted.

I don't know, I wouldn't mind another Richie Anderson. He was stud for us during Parcells' first year with us. He was Quincy's favorite target throughout. But a FB is way down my list when it comes to needs. But still intriguing.

[bigmac076]

What do yall think of the Levi Brown pick in the new mock? I don't think RT is really that big of a need anymore with Colombo playin well. I also don't think RT is a critically important position. Our track record of drafting o-lineman high is just so incredibly poor I'd rather see us address that in FA.
I like Levi Brown, but I don't like Scott's analysis. Is Columbo really as bad as Scott makes him out to be? I really haven't been paying attention to Columbo... but only because Romo hasn't been sacked 50 million times... I think that means he's playing alright.

I think Brown could be a good fit for us, but I'd want him to replace Flo. I haven't seen much of Brown so I don't know if he's projected better at LT or RT in the NFL... or even Guard. Maybe I'll do some research. What do you guys think? I have a hunch though that Brown is not a good candidate for Guard... If he's even willing to play it, knowing the money is at Tackle.

I think you guys should get that FA OG from Jacksonville, whats his name? Maniwawi or something. He'd be a good fit.

Then get that heralded OG, if he's off the board, I think you look at Jake Long. If he's off the board, then I think you give Levi some consideration.

The thing about Levi, he reminds me alot of Marcus McNeil. But whats the chances you find 2 gems 2 years in a row ya know? I don't know, its a tough call.

I actually have some concerns about Long right now. I did an indepth analysis of him during the Ohio State game, and I didn't like what I saw out of his pass protection. He's a bluecollar tough guy run blocker, but he's not technically sound enough of a pass blocker. His footwork in pass protection needs to improve, and he doesn't engage his DE in a lockup technique very well. I don't know, but for some reason I see some Gallery in him. Anyone else have similar thoughts?
I tried to pay attention to Long in that game, but I must admit, I was much more concerned with the score of the game. Thankfully, Michigan covered. ;) I respect your grade analysis of players and if you think that of Long then, it makes me think twice about wanting him. I still want him on the team, and hopefully his performance will cause his to drop some, because at his current rating, he seems to be going fairly high in mock drafts.

I loved Marcus McNeill in the beginning of the college season but his back problems caused to me to change my mind on him... as well as a lot of NFL experts who's reports I was reading on him. Amazing how bad info can have such an adverse effect. With the way he's been dominating this season, he should've been drafted ahead of D'Brick! HA!

As long as we address OL in the offseason whether through the draft or FA, I'll be a happy camper.

The Jags OL, you speak of is Vince Manuwai. On of the strongest players ever to come out of Hawaii.... according to Hawaii's strength coach.

Manuwai sounds like a freaking great FA acquisition for '07

[Paul]

Just for future mock purposes, do we have any extra picks or any less picks in the upcoming draft? Any trades we did in the past, or any possible compensation picks or anything like that?

[LSUALUM99]

My issue is that by definition Free Agents are over priced. By that I mean that the market price for any player is set by the average offered for that player. However, you aren't paying the average price, the FA signs for the HIGHEST offer. So by the very act of signing a FA you are overpaying for them.

It's no coincidence that the teams that consistantly use FA to build their team are typically disappointed in the results.

It's the free market at it's very finest.

[bigmac076]

Id have to do some more research on Brown. I was posting earlier about taking a NT in round one to sure up the D-line. I like Amobi Okoye, although doesnt look like he is projected(so far) to go in the first round. We might think of trading out of RD 1 and getting an extra day one pick somehow. Any thoughts?

[Paul]

Id have to do some more research on Brown. I was posting earlier about taking a NT in round one to sure up the D-line. I like Amobi Okoye, although doesnt look like he is projected(so far) to go in the first round. We might think of trading out of RD 1 and getting an extra day one pick somehow. Any thoughts?

Depends whose still on the board. IF Blalock, or one of those Stud LT are still there I wouldn't pass on them.

[LSUALUM99]

Id have to do some more research on Brown. I was posting earlier about taking a NT in round one to sure up the D-line. I like Amobi Okoye, although doesnt look like he is projected(so far) to go in the first round. We might think of trading out of RD 1 and getting an extra day one pick somehow. Any thoughts?

When you have a team with very few holes, trading down is a bad idea. You want to compile exceptional talent that could beat out the starters at some point, not draft more 'value' that might not see as much playing time.

When you are a bad team with no talent, you want to trade down. When you are a good team you pick where you are or if just the right situation occurs you trade up.

[bigmac076]

Id have to do some more research on Brown. I was posting earlier about taking a NT in round one to sure up the D-line. I like Amobi Okoye, although doesnt look like he is projected(so far) to go in the first round. We might think of trading out of RD 1 and getting an extra day one pick somehow. Any thoughts?

When you have a team with very few holes, trading down is a bad idea. You want to compile exceptional talent that could beat out the starters at some point, not draft more 'value' that might not see as much playing time.

When you are a bad team with no talent, you want to trade down. When you are a good team you pick where you are or if just the right situation occurs you trade up.

i see, well how about drafting a NT, sound good to you?

[Paul]

Id have to do some more research on Brown. I was posting earlier about taking a NT in round one to sure up the D-line. I like Amobi Okoye, although doesnt look like he is projected(so far) to go in the first round. We might think of trading out of RD 1 and getting an extra day one pick somehow. Any thoughts?

When you have a team with very few holes, trading down is a bad idea. You want to compile exceptional talent that could beat out the starters at some point, not draft more 'value' that might not see as much playing time.

When you are a bad team with no talent, you want to trade down. When you are a good team you pick where you are or if just the right situation occurs you trade up.

i see, well how about drafting a NT, sound good to you?

Theres no Vince Wilfork in this draft. So not in the 1st round.

[LSUALUM99]

Id have to do some more research on Brown. I was posting earlier about taking a NT in round one to sure up the D-line. I like Amobi Okoye, although doesnt look like he is projected(so far) to go in the first round. We might think of trading out of RD 1 and getting an extra day one pick somehow. Any thoughts?

When you have a team with very few holes, trading down is a bad idea. You want to compile exceptional talent that could beat out the starters at some point, not draft more 'value' that might not see as much playing time.

When you are a bad team with no talent, you want to trade down. When you are a good team you pick where you are or if just the right situation occurs you trade up.

i see, well how about drafting a NT, sound good to you?

I wouldn't want them to do it in the first round. There isn't alot of true demand for a NT that plugs the run. Only someone like Ngata who can rush the passer warrants that type of early consideration. Pass rushing NT's aren't necessary. I'd rather they go for a skill position (includes CB in my mind) early.

[dpl85]

I think it is interesting to note that JJT the former Cowboys beat writer was asked which 3 positions worry Parcells the most and he said Kicker, FS, and NT, not RT or even RG. I would agree with that and I think we should be more concerned about replacing Rivera at RG than Colombo at RT.

LSU, I have to disagree with you on a couple points, I think there's a pretty good chance MB3 would have just as much success as a feature back and maybe even more although we may never know for sure, but I do understand the arguement of how the backup RB has the advantage of going against a D that's already begun to wear down. I also don't think we should be considering drafting a CB on the first day as we arguably have the best top 3 CBs in the league unless it was a guy on the second day who could also contribute as a kick and punt returner. I think Aaron Glenn will be able to play for at least 2 or 3 more years at a pretty high level.

[Jdallas]

I think it is interesting to note that JJT the former Cowboys beat writer was asked which 3 positions worry Parcells the most and he said Kicker, FS, and NT, not RT or even RG. I would agree with that and I think we should be more concerned about replacing Rivera at RG than Colombo at RT.

LSU, I have to disagree with you on a couple points, I think there's a pretty good chance MB3 would have just as much success as a feature back and maybe even more although we may never know for sure, but I do understand the arguement of how the backup RB has the advantage of going against a D that's already begun to wear down. I also don't think we should be considering drafting a CB on the first day as we arguably have the best top 3 CBs in the league unless it was a guy on the second day who could also contribute as a kick and punt returner. I think Aaron Glenn will be able to play for at least 2 or 3 more years at a pretty high level.

What has Barber done to make you believe he can be a feature back? Really think about that, I can't think of anything. Maybe if you got to see practice you could see something, but we haven't really seen anything.

[Ward]

My issue is that by definition Free Agents are over priced. By that I mean that the market price for any player is set by the average offered for that player. However, you aren't paying the average price, the FA signs for the HIGHEST offer. So by the very act of signing a FA you are overpaying for them.

It's no coincidence that the teams that consistantly use FA to build their team are typically disappointed in the results.

It's the free market at it's very finest.

The best teams use the FA for the final touches on a team that was built through the draft, you never want your whole team counting on a good FA signing class (I'm looking at you Washington).

[dpl85]

I think it is interesting to note that JJT the former Cowboys beat writer was asked which 3 positions worry Parcells the most and he said Kicker, FS, and NT, not RT or even RG. I would agree with that and I think we should be more concerned about replacing Rivera at RG than Colombo at RT.

LSU, I have to disagree with you on a couple points, I think there's a pretty good chance MB3 would have just as much success as a feature back and maybe even more although we may never know for sure, but I do understand the arguement of how the backup RB has the advantage of going against a D that's already begun to wear down. I also don't think we should be considering drafting a CB on the first day as we arguably have the best top 3 CBs in the league unless it was a guy on the second day who could also contribute as a kick and punt returner. I think Aaron Glenn will be able to play for at least 2 or 3 more years at a pretty high level.

What has Barber done to make you believe he can be a feature back? Really think about that, I can't think of anything. Maybe if you got to see practice you could see something, but we haven't really seen anything.
Well obviously he hasn't had as many carries or opportunities as JJ but he has really taken advantage of the somewhat limited playing time he gets. I think he is second in the NFC in TDs for RBs so obviously he has a nose for the goaline and is a strong short yardage runner. He also blocks and catches better than JJ which makes him an ideal 3rd down back. And probably most important of all despite the fact that he hasn't received as many carries or plays as JJ MB3 has yet to miss any significant time with injuries which durability is probably the best attribute a RB can have. I'm not saying MB3 should be the starter as we have a good system now and it would be dumb to try and fix something that's not broken but I also wouldn't be overly concerned if JJ went down again as I think MB3 has shown albeit in a somewhat limited role he can handle the load. On the fairly rare occasions that JJ was hurt and MB3 started he has played pretty well.

JD, with all due respect unless you have the sunday ticket package I doubt you have been able to watch every single game this year or last year for that matter in it's entirety and therefore couldn't have seen enough to make a fully informed judgement.

[thule]

I have to agree with you LSU...we need to go after a skill position rb/wr/cb

Personally I wouldn't be shocked if a guy fell and we offered up JJ as bait. I could see a team like GB interested in JJ which would give us about the pick that we used on him. That wouldn't be terrible. If a guy like Bush was sitting there it would sure make me think.

Personally I think there is one guy in the first round that we HAVE to get. Teddy Ginn baby. He is so explosive he would be able to play from the start. He could contribute on special teams if needed and he is a game breaker. With a team with not many holes...trading up shouldn't hurt you much as long as you don't give away your future. This could be hard to get up that far...but we have some bait. We are deep at a few positions. IDK if we have the ammo to move into the top 10...but we should be able to move into the 12-18 area depending on where we are.

If we don't land him...then my next playmaker is McCauley...he has probabally the most potential out of everyone in this draft...but he is raw. He would be a solid pick at the end of round one if he performs well at the combine which he should...probabally one of the faster CB's in this draft.

If a top LT or a guy named Blalock fall I would be very interested in that...but I have a feeling we go RG in FA....lets face it our line would have very little experience and flozell hasn't seemed to take a leadership role from what i've seen. Koiser has some experience but doesn't rub off as a leader to me...Gurode enough said...and Columbo doesn't have enough experience at this time. I think with a deep RG FA market we could pick up a nice player. This would allow us to go BPA the whole draft realistically.

[dpl85]

I can't see any reason why we would draft a CB or RB in the first two rounds. We are set at RB for now with JJ and MB3, I think we're top ten in rush offense. We're also set at CB with Newman and Henry. Newman and Henry aren't going anywhere, if we drafted a CB he would only be a nickel CB at best for the first 2 or 3 years.

[Modano]

I think we can pick a goo CB or WR in the second round too.. The two players I really like are Limas Sweed and Daymon Hughes.. I think they are 2nd/3rd round projects right now, and they have huge potential.

FS has been our biggest problem on defense since Woodson retired (do you remember when we started Lynn Scott?) so i'm for takin a stud FS in the first. Watkins has potential, but imagine a guy like Nelson near Roy Williams. They will be the best safety combo in the league, and they'll allow us to be very aggressive with our front seven..

[thule]

I think we can pick a goo CB or WR in the second round too.. The two players I really like are Limas Sweed and Daymon Hughes.. I think they are 2nd/3rd round projects right now, and they have huge potential.

FS has been our biggest problem on defense since Woodson retired (do you remember when we started Lynn Scott?) so i'm for takin a stud FS in the first. Watkins has potential, but imagine a guy like Nelson near Roy Williams. They will be the best safety combo in the league, and they'll allow us to be very aggressive with our front seven..

Sweed is about a 10% chance of comming out from what i've read...not likely at all.

Hughes is good but would you rather have McCauley for potential purpuses? What makes you favor Hughes of McCauley.

[thule]

I can't see any reason why we would draft a CB or RB in the first two rounds. We are set at RB for now with JJ and MB3, I think we're top ten in rush offense. We're also set at CB with Newman and Henry. Newman and Henry aren't going anywhere, if we drafted a CB he would only be a nickel CB at best for the first 2 or 3 years.

The point is we are pretty much set everywhere. The draft is a great place to get big time players for cheaper. Like LSU said FA is a gone to the highest bidder...if you can keep youth at your key positions you can be good. Our running game has been good I agree...but I believe we are tlaking about shipping JJ to bring one in.

[fryman]

I was going to post this in my first post, but i decided to leave it out.- I think we should wait until next year to go after a top WR in the draft. They would see limited time for probably a couple years. Also the only round 1 WR that I would want is Calvin Johnson, and that isn't going to happen.

I think most people agree that we need to bring in another speed guy with Glenn getting up there in years, and Robert Meachem would be a great target next year. I highly doubt he comes out this year.

[thule]

I was going to post this in my first post, but i decided to leave it out.- I think we should wait until next year to go after a top WR in the draft. They would see limited time for probably a couple years. Also the only round 1 WR that I would want is Calvin Johnson, and that isn't going to happen.

I think most people agree that we need to bring in another speed guy with Glenn getting up there in years, and Robert Meachem would be a great target next year. I highly doubt he comes out this year.

Remember how all of use worried about not having a speed guy a year or two ago. How Glenn was good but if something happened to him we'd be f'd. Well for some reason that has went on the back burner....Crayton/Hurd aren't burners....Austin is fast but not really a burner. I wanna see us get a speed guy. If we have any shot at Ginn I want him.

[D-Unit]

I love draft convo! You guys are putting together some really nice posts!

A lot of good points made.

I wanna playmaker in Round 1. I'm not a fan of our OL, but they can wait. Look at Robert Gallery, Alex Barron, D'Brickashaw Ferguson... They just don't have enough significant impact.

Right now, I'm riding high on Reggie Nelson.

[Ward]

I love draft convo! You guys are putting together some really nice posts!

A lot of good points made.

I wanna playmaker in Round 1. I'm not a fan of our OL, but they can wait. Look at Robert Gallery, Alex Barron, D'Brickashaw Ferguson... They just don't have enough significant impact.

Right now, I'm riding high on Reggie Nelson.

Landry > Nelson.

[fryman]

I was going to post this in my first post, but i decided to leave it out.- I think we should wait until next year to go after a top WR in the draft. They would see limited time for probably a couple years. Also the only round 1 WR that I would want is Calvin Johnson, and that isn't going to happen.

I think most people agree that we need to bring in another speed guy with Glenn getting up there in years, and Robert Meachem would be a great target next year. I highly doubt he comes out this year.

Remember how all of use worried about not having a speed guy a year or two ago. How Glenn was good but if something happened to him we'd be f'd. Well for some reason that has went on the back burner....Crayton/Hurd aren't burners....Austin is fast but not really a burner. I wanna see us get a speed guy. If we have any shot at Ginn I want him.

Yeah I realize that, as I mentioned we need a speedy receiver in my post, but I just don't really like Ginn.

I would love to get Meachem though. :D

[thule]

I was going to post this in my first post, but i decided to leave it out.- I think we should wait until next year to go after a top WR in the draft. They would see limited time for probably a couple years. Also the only round 1 WR that I would want is Calvin Johnson, and that isn't going to happen.

I think most people agree that we need to bring in another speed guy with Glenn getting up there in years, and Robert Meachem would be a great target next year. I highly doubt he comes out this year.

Remember how all of use worried about not having a speed guy a year or two ago. How Glenn was good but if something happened to him we'd be f'd. Well for some reason that has went on the back burner....Crayton/Hurd aren't burners....Austin is fast but not really a burner. I wanna see us get a speed guy. If we have any shot at Ginn I want him.

Yeah I realize that, as I mentioned we need a speedy receiver in my post, but I just don't really like Ginn.

I would love to get Meachem though. :D

I guess I'm lost at how you cannot like Ginn..his speed has shown second to none so far. I am expecting staggering numbers at the combine from him. He has that sixth gear that not many others have. The best part about him...is that he has so much untapped potential..he could one day step in as a number one target. I really don't see Meachem as a number one in 3 years. Ginn has the potential to be as big of a gamebreaker as Steve Smith.

The big part of drafting a WR...is finding someone who will eventually fill our number 1 roll on this team. Right now we have one young guy that could do it. Miles Austin...and I don't feel like putting my eggs in his basket until he shows something. Thats why if we have a chance to land someone with the potential of Ginn...not only could he one day be our number one...but he also can contribute right away on special teams as a return man. Something we don't exactly have. Newman is good but if he went down....our defense would be in awhole different world. Whereas if Ginn was back there...you would be losing your slot reciever at best. This is what i'm looking for in my first round pick. Someone who can contribute to this team early....yet solidify a spot for the future.

[Modano]

I think we can pick a goo CB or WR in the second round too.. The two players I really like are Limas Sweed and Daymon Hughes.. I think they are 2nd/3rd round projects right now, and they have huge potential.

FS has been our biggest problem on defense since Woodson retired (do you remember when we started Lynn Scott?) so i'm for takin a stud FS in the first. Watkins has potential, but imagine a guy like Nelson near Roy Williams. They will be the best safety combo in the league, and they'll allow us to be very aggressive with our front seven..

Sweed is about a 10% chance of comming out from what i've read...not likely at all.

Hughes is good but would you rather have McCauley for potential purpuses? What makes you favor Hughes of McCauley.

I do not prefer Hughes, I only think that McCauley will be a first rounder, Hughes a second.. And I prefer to spend a second round on our future nickel/dime CB and use the first on a safety or a badass OL..

[Burns336]

anyone else concerned with ginn's size? Hes gotta be the most twig like player ive watched all year, i just couldnt see him taking a full load at the next level. I dont think you should draft a reciever in the first, or second for that matter, unless you think they could take a number 1 or 2 spot someday and not have injury problems. He's quick and has all the moves at the college level.. but lets not forget, reggie bush did too and look what happened there. I wouldnt expect ginn to have as big of an impact in the return game at the next level. I havnt seen ginn play much, but how are his hands? The guy has speed and that undeniable, but troy williamson has speed and his hands are a huge liability. I wouldnt be happy unless we got someone like Calvin, which wont happen, and maybe Dwayne Jarret depending on how fast he is. I wouldnt want another possesion reciever. If its not one of those two guys i think we should go safety in the first unless there is some outstanding NT but from what i understand, none of the NT's really warrant a 1st round choice. We could pick up a good cb in the the second or third and then pick up some o-line guys after that.

I just think if we got Nelson, he would be the missing piece in this defense. Landry is great, but if we drafted a safety i would want him to be a pure FS. We have roy, so we dont need another hitter, and from what ive read, Nelson has a slight edge in the pass defense category which is what we really need at that spot. Plus he can return punts which fixes the problem of having Newman getting hung out to dry.

[bigmac076]

I think we can pick a goo CB or WR in the second round too.. The two players I really like are Limas Sweed and Daymon Hughes.. I think they are 2nd/3rd round projects right now, and they have huge potential.

FS has been our biggest problem on defense since Woodson retired (do you remember when we started Lynn Scott?) so i'm for takin a stud FS in the first. Watkins has potential, but imagine a guy like Nelson near Roy Williams. They will be the best safety combo in the league, and they'll allow us to be very aggressive with our front seven..

Sweed is about a 10% chance of comming out from what i've read...not likely at all.

Hughes is good but would you rather have McCauley for potential purpuses? What makes you favor Hughes of McCauley.

When do these underclassmen need to make a decision by?

[Jdallas]

I think we can pick a goo CB or WR in the second round too.. The two players I really like are Limas Sweed and Daymon Hughes.. I think they are 2nd/3rd round projects right now, and they have huge potential.

FS has been our biggest problem on defense since Woodson retired (do you remember when we started Lynn Scott?) so i'm for takin a stud FS in the first. Watkins has potential, but imagine a guy like Nelson near Roy Williams. They will be the best safety combo in the league, and they'll allow us to be very aggressive with our front seven..

Sweed is about a 10% chance of comming out from what i've read...not likely at all.

Hughes is good but would you rather have McCauley for potential purpuses? What makes you favor Hughes of McCauley.

When do these underclassmen need to make a decision by?

I think it was Jan. 15th last year.


I don't really like Ginn. I'm not sure what it is, but he just doesn't look smooth enough to be a WR. I don't think he'll be anything other than a special teamer and a guy who runs deep every play.

[DMWSackMachine]

I think you guys are selling both Hurd and Austin short here. I mean, if you've ever heard BP talk about Austin, you know that the kid has to have some serious physical gifts. He didn't even come close to playing during the preseason, didn't show much of anything during training camp, and still they kept him on the active roster! And this is coming from a coach who has made it abundantly clear that he is not into "buying futures".

Right now, my two favorite prospects of this team are Austin and McQuistan, with Hatcher a close 3rd. I think at least one of those guys develops into an above average starter at his position. And Austin does have speed, don't sleep on him.

Plus, we are solid at WR for a minimum of 2 years after this one. We have Crayton as a good, solid 3rd guy....I don't know where guys are coming from with this talk. If there is a guy that we simply can't pass up, like a Ginn or Jarrett, then we take him and feel good about it, but there is no way that we are in need of getting a top young guy. HE WOULDN'T EVEN PLAY for the next 2 years. Hell, with all the crap Carp has gotten for not playing much in just the 1st half of his rookie season, you guys are sure eager to go and grab a 4th string guy with this year's pick. C'mon, get real.

I don't know about all y'all, but I'm still smarting from being outmanuevered for Shawn Andrews back in 04. To me, Justin Blalock is the closest thing to him that I've seen since, right down to the ability to play RT if necessary. To me, our draft board says Justin Blalock.....and then everyone else. If we have a shot at him and we don't get him, I will be supremely upset.

However, I would like to offer a word of caution with all this Rivera hating. His contribution to this team has really been sold short. He has played a big role in the development of Gurode this season, as well as Colombo, and he is smart and really brings that bunch together. Besides, he has been pretty damn good this season, for the most part. People just get it in their heads that he isn't playing well, and then that is just how it is, without any proof. I don't know how many people here get to watch the games every week, but I have watched and Tivoed every game, and seen every one at least twice, and I've noticed him consistently getting good push in the run game and looking nimble and spry on his pulls. I'm confused where people get their crap from.

Overall, I still think we go RB if there is a top notch guy there. I like the idea that another poster came up with of sending JJ to a team like GB in a trade up deal. I would positively cream if we could get Marshawn, baby. But, if no RB is available that we be a major upgrade, then I like us to simply get the best player there, or maybe trade our 1st for a future 1st like we did in 04....but that would require a trade partner, of course. Any way you slice it, whatever happens will probably take us by surprise.

[bigbluedefense]

Ratliff and Hatcher have been HUGE for you guys this year.

I agree, the Cowboys 1st choice is pretty clear, and thats Blaylock.

[D-Unit]

I love draft convo! You guys are putting together some really nice posts!

A lot of good points made.

I wanna playmaker in Round 1. I'm not a fan of our OL, but they can wait. Look at Robert Gallery, Alex Barron, D'Brickashaw Ferguson... They just don't have enough significant impact.

Right now, I'm riding high on Reggie Nelson.

Landry > Nelson.
As an NFL prospect, yeah I agree, he'll be graded higher. For our needs... I believe Nelson would suit us better AND he could actually be on the board when we pick. Landry will be gone in the top 15.

[bigbluedefense]

I love draft convo! You guys are putting together some really nice posts!

A lot of good points made.

I wanna playmaker in Round 1. I'm not a fan of our OL, but they can wait. Look at Robert Gallery, Alex Barron, D'Brickashaw Ferguson... They just don't have enough significant impact.

Right now, I'm riding high on Reggie Nelson.

Landry > Nelson.
As an NFL prospect, yeah I agree, he'll be graded higher. For our needs... I believe Nelson would suit us better AND he could actually be on the board when we pick. Landry will be gone in the top 15.

Nelson covers better and is just a better playmaker. He has that "it" factor to him that doesn't show up in the stats or combine. Personally, if I had a choice, my FS is there to cover, so I take Nelson over Landry. He can also play CB, which only adds to his usefullness.

According to Scott though, he's a top 10 pick now. Look at the new mock. Nelson has soared, and Landry has fallen to the 20s.

So we're not the only ones who feel this way.

To sum it up.

Nelson = Ed Reed
Landry = Sean Taylor

Im not saying theyre the same level prospects, Im just comparing their styles. I personally think the FS is meant to cover and be a ballhawk moreso than a hard hitter.

The only thing Landry has on him is size and hitting. Nelson is the superior coverage talent. I take Nelson.

[D-Unit]

I was going to post this in my first post, but i decided to leave it out.- I think we should wait until next year to go after a top WR in the draft. They would see limited time for probably a couple years. Also the only round 1 WR that I would want is Calvin Johnson, and that isn't going to happen.

I think most people agree that we need to bring in another speed guy with Glenn getting up there in years, and Robert Meachem would be a great target next year. I highly doubt he comes out this year.

Remember how all of use worried about not having a speed guy a year or two ago. How Glenn was good but if something happened to him we'd be f'd. Well for some reason that has went on the back burner....Crayton/Hurd aren't burners....Austin is fast but not really a burner. I wanna see us get a speed guy. If we have any shot at Ginn I want him.

Yeah I realize that, as I mentioned we need a speedy receiver in my post, but I just don't really like Ginn.

I would love to get Meachem though. :D
Ginn will also not be on the board when we pick. There are only a few WRs worth a first round pick. CJ, DJ, Samardzija, Ginn and Rice. Out of those only Ginn is a true burner. I don't know that we'll be able to fill that "burner" role with a WR in the first round. We could address WR, but it's highly doubtful that that guy will be Ginn.

[The Legend]

what postion do you guys thinkyour gonna take in the 1st day?

[Jdallas]

Here's a situation.

Say we're picking at 26 and we think someone at 19 is going to pick Blalock. Would you guys be in favor of trading up to get him?

Last week I probably would have said no because I really don't like trading up, but if we don't really have any needs and we decide he's the player we want I think we should do it.

[D-Unit]

I think we can pick a goo CB or WR in the second round too.. The two players I really like are Limas Sweed and Daymon Hughes.. I think they are 2nd/3rd round projects right now, and they have huge potential.

FS has been our biggest problem on defense since Woodson retired (do you remember when we started Lynn Scott?) so i'm for takin a stud FS in the first. Watkins has potential, but imagine a guy like Nelson near Roy Williams. They will be the best safety combo in the league, and they'll allow us to be very aggressive with our front seven..

Sweed is about a 10% chance of comming out from what i've read...not likely at all.

Hughes is good but would you rather have McCauley for potential purpuses? What makes you favor Hughes of McCauley.

I do not prefer Hughes, I only think that McCauley will be a first rounder, Hughes a second.. And I prefer to spend a second round on our future nickel/dime CB and use the first on a safety or a badass OL..
Daymeion Hughes is my favorite CB in college right now. McCauley imo is so overrated it's hilarious. He gets burnt BADLY. If he were half as good as the hype he gets, Fresno wouldn't be as terrible as they are this year. He definately doesn't shut down his side of the field. I can tell you that much. If he can't do it against Hawaii and Boise.... He won't do it against the Eagles, Giants, and Redskins.

Hughes is a great corner. Good things happen on defense when QBs throw the ball his way.

[The Legend]

Here's a situation.

Say we're picking at 26 and we think someone at 19 is going to pick Blalock. Would you guys be in favor of trading up to get him?

Last week I probably would have said no because I really don't like trading up, but if we don't really have any needs and we decide he's the player we want I think we should do it.

Ben Grubbs would not be that bad of a 2nd round pick

or maybe Michael Griffin 2 years in a row with 100+ tackles

home town native nice hands 7or8 picks in last two years

[thule]

DMW I agree that we have a good young core at WR. But my question to you is what happens if Glenn goes down. He has been injured alot in his career...and this other problem that just popped up could take him out for his career...depending on how long. We have to look at it. Who in the hell is our speed guy. Our ability to stretch the defense deep would go down alot. I mean Crayton at the 2 spot with TO in the slot with Hurd as the number 1 on three wr sets probabally wouldn't scare anyone. Sure we have a great chance at making the catch...but the would likely bring the safety's up and now not only is there more people in the 10 yard span...it also becomes harder to run. We need a speed guy who can contribute on special teams right away...and be our insurance plan behiind glenn. If we land a guy like lee higgins in the second so be it. But Ginn's potential is about as high as you can get in this draft...to have him in our future would be very nice. It also wouldn't hurt ot have a guy like Glenn/TO tutoring him. Glenn came from osu..so there are some ties there beside the way they play.

You have watched every game. Well then I'm sure you would agree if there was one OLman that got pushed into the backfield 5-10 times it would be rivera. He is still ok when pulling although he whiffs from time to time...but when asked to attack one on one he is not as powerful as he once was. He is our biggest liability on the OL. I'm not saying he is the worst RG in the league...but if there was one positon to upgrade it would be RG. Not only that he is up there in years...do you really see proctor as his replacement?

I meantion GB...not sure what we would have to give up to move up that far...but I was actually talking about picking up a 2nd rounder for JJ...but I suppose he could be good bait for moving up.

My ideal trade would be JJ a 2nd and one of our young WR...a hurd/crayton/austin for there top 10 pick. I think everyone here knows who I would select. But I think if there is one guy in this draft that we love....we have to trade up....we have above average depth at many spots. Pick out a late round gem and we're set.

Only thing that would worry me is give up a 2nd and then already having spent our 3rd on Brown :wink:

[D-Unit]

what postion do you guys thinkyour gonna take in the 1st day?
That's the million dollar question.

I think you have to look at the BPA that fills a need versus, deciding on a position and possibly having to reach on a guy simply because he fills that position.

[The Legend]

1st Round
Michael Griffin : Safety | Senior | Texas
(Height: 6-0 | Weight: 205 | 40-Time: 4.45)

2nd Round
Ben Grubbs : Offensive Guard | Senior | Auburn
(Height: 6-3 | Weight: 318 | 40-Time: 5.15)

3rd Round
Chris Leak : Quarterback | Senior | Florida
(Height: 6-0 | Weight: 207 | 40-Time: 4.75)

[D-Unit]

Here's a situation.

Say we're picking at 26 and we think someone at 19 is going to pick Blalock. Would you guys be in favor of trading up to get him?

Last week I probably would have said no because I really don't like trading up, but if we don't really have any needs and we decide he's the player we want I think we should do it.
It all depends... I wouldn't be upset trading up for Blalock, because we know what we're getting and we need someone like him. But at the same time, I don't think it would be worth losing picks for. If it was a leftover player like Ellis then I could deal with that... the FA crop has a bunch of "good enough" OGs available and OG can be addressed outside of round 1. As much as possible I want to keep our picks.

[thule]

Here's a situation.

Say we're picking at 26 and we think someone at 19 is going to pick Blalock. Would you guys be in favor of trading up to get him?

Last week I probably would have said no because I really don't like trading up, but if we don't really have any needs and we decide he's the player we want I think we should do it.
It all depends... I wouldn't be upset trading up for Blalock, because we know what we're getting and we need someone like him. But at the same time, I don't think it would be worth losing picks for. If it was a leftover player like Ellis then I could deal with that... the FA crop has a bunch of "good enough" OGs available and OG can be addressed outside of round 1. As much as possible I want to keep our picks.

If we don't address RG in FA...my question become who will be the leader on the ol....Koiser...sounds scary.

[Jughead10]

It does always seem that best guards in the NFL tend to go in the late 1st round to mid 2nd round area. You can get servicable starters later but the true top tier guys seem to go in that area. Here is a consideration? Was Eric Steinbech resigned by the Bengals? He could be an extremely nice addition to your team.

[Ward]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.

[D-Unit]

DMW I agree that we have a good young core at WR. But my question to you is what happens if Glenn goes down. He has been injured alot in his career...and this other problem that just popped up could take him out for his career...depending on how long. We have to look at it. Who in the hell is our speed guy. Our ability to stretch the defense deep would go down alot. I mean Crayton at the 2 spot with TO in the slot with Hurd as the number 1 on three wr sets probabally wouldn't scare anyone. Sure we have a great chance at making the catch...but the would likely bring the safety's up and now not only is there more people in the 10 yard span...it also becomes harder to run. We need a speed guy who can contribute on special teams right away...and be our insurance plan behiind glenn. If we land a guy like lee higgins in the second so be it. But Ginn's potential is about as high as you can get in this draft...to have him in our future would be very nice. It also wouldn't hurt ot have a guy like Glenn/TO tutoring him. Glenn came from osu..so there are some ties there beside the way they play.

You have watched every game. Well then I'm sure you would agree if there was one OLman that got pushed into the backfield 5-10 times it would be rivera. He is still ok when pulling although he whiffs from time to time...but when asked to attack one on one he is not as powerful as he once was. He is our biggest liability on the OL. I'm not saying he is the worst RG in the league...but if there was one positon to upgrade it would be RG. Not only that he is up there in years...do you really see proctor as his replacement?

I meantion GB...not sure what we would have to give up to move up that far...but I was actually talking about picking up a 2nd rounder for JJ...but I suppose he could be good bait for moving up.

My ideal trade would be JJ a 2nd and one of our young WR...a hurd/crayton/austin for there top 10 pick. I think everyone here knows who I would select. But I think if there is one guy in this draft that we love....we have to trade up....we have above average depth at many spots. Pick out a late round gem and we're set.

Only thing that would worry me is give up a 2nd and then already having spent our 3rd on Brown :wink:
Trade talk is borderline insanity. If we start drawing up trades in our imaginations then we'll all go crazy by draft day. :lol:

Unlike Blalock, Ginn is someone worth giving up picks to get. The FA crop is crap... and there really isn't anyone else like him out there. He also can fill the role of kick/punt returner. ...and maybe even backup at corner! BP's gotta love that factor.

That said, I do think you are overreacting a little bit thule about filling Glenn's shoes. If you remember at the time Glenn was down, Crayton was also down. So our weakness was even more exploited. Crayton has shown the speed to get deep and there were even times last year when we were like "We found our future #2 receiver! YAY!" Remember that? :D

[The Legend]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.

but i dont think Landry will not be there for you guys and dont for get Michael Griffin is a very good solid tackler like roy ... how many safetys do you know that in collage can rack up 2 years in a row with 100+ tackles

[Staubach12]

I agree with thule, we need a WR, but I'd like Blalock in the 1st, and get a WR somewhere later. I like Paul Williams or Chansi Stuckey in the 2nd. Another two guys I like that aren't as fast are Bowe and Steve Smith. Some guys in later rounds that are kind of in the middle as far as speed goes that I like are Craig Davis and Chris Davis. In late rounds, I like Ryan Moore.

[Staubach12]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.

but i dont think Landry will not be there for you guys and dont for get Michael Griffin is a very good solid tackler like roy ... how many safetys do you know that in collage can rack up 2 years in a row with 100+ tackles

But we don't need a guy like Roy! We need a guy to compliment Roy.

[thule]

I agree with thule, we need a WR, but I'd like Blalock in the 1st, and get a WR somewhere later. I like Paul Williams or Chansi Stuckey in the 2nd. Another two guys I like that aren't as fast are Bowe and Steve Smith. Some guys in later rounds that are kind of in the middle as far as speed goes that I like are Craig Davis and Chris Davis. In late rounds, I like Ryan Moore.

The only problem with that is do you see Williams or Stuckey as #1 guys in the future. We have alot of depth at the #2 and slot position. Unless you think Hurd will be a number 1 someday...we have to worry about filling that void. If you do agree we need a number one...then we might as well wait till next year because picking up a speed guy who will never be anything more then a slot guy would just add to the logjam at WR.

[Ward]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.

but i dont think Landry will not be there for you guys and dont for get Michael Griffin is a very good solid tackler like roy ... how many safetys do you know that in collage can rack up 2 years in a row with 100+ tackles

But we don't need a guy like Roy! We need a guy to compliment Roy.

He's not like Roy, look beyond the physical stats and actually watch Landry play. He can cover better than just about anyone in the college game currently. He's bigger than Nelson, so? Landry is a ballhawk wether you guys want to admit it or not.

Here's an example of Landry's speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew

[D-Unit]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.
Don't be mislead only because you've only heard about him this year. He's a JC transfer and he has another year of eligibilty. He's faced top notch competition and has excelled this year. You can't deny the fact that he's a gamebreaker.

Why do we need a "pure cover" guy at FS? I can't believe I'm hearing these words. haha. How many times have we gotten beat deep this year and last year and the year before that??? Let's not get confused here. Nelson is not only a pure cover safety. He's simply the best one, imo.

Sounds like his name is picking up speed and may not be there late in the first anymore... but Landry for sure will not be there. ...and Landry is not worth trading up for.

...and Woodson could play FS because like you said... he had the smarts to play it. Those smarts came after years and years of veteran experience. He was a SS before we got Roy. You don't just draft a guy and expect him to have the smarts of a Darren Woodson to help subsidize his physically inept coverage skills.

That said, hell I'd be stoked if we got Landry. I just don't see the possibility of grabbing him without trading up. ...and he's not worth trading up for.

If we talk about hoping to get Landry, we might as well begin hopes of drafting Calvin Johnson too.

[D-Unit]

I agree with thule, we need a WR, but I'd like Blalock in the 1st, and get a WR somewhere later. I like Paul Williams or Chansi Stuckey in the 2nd. Another two guys I like that aren't as fast are Bowe and Steve Smith. Some guys in later rounds that are kind of in the middle as far as speed goes that I like are Craig Davis and Chris Davis. In late rounds, I like Ryan Moore.
Those guys are .... blah. Serviceable at the most. I am a fan of Steve Smith though. Smart player with great hands. Always seems to find the soft zone coverage holes. Not an NFL #1 though.

[thule]

I agree with thule, we need a WR, but I'd like Blalock in the 1st, and get a WR somewhere later. I like Paul Williams or Chansi Stuckey in the 2nd. Another two guys I like that aren't as fast are Bowe and Steve Smith. Some guys in later rounds that are kind of in the middle as far as speed goes that I like are Craig Davis and Chris Davis. In late rounds, I like Ryan Moore.
Those guys are .... blah. Serviceable at the most. I am a fan of Steve Smith though. Smart player with great hands. Always seems to find the soft zone coverage holes. Not an NFL #1 though.

Pretty much what I said. If we don't land Ginn...this is where the CB who can impact the special teams game will come into play. Like I said...it basically comes down to who is available when we pick...and if a team is looking to move down.

[D-Unit]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.

but i dont think Landry will not be there for you guys and dont for get Michael Griffin is a very good solid tackler like roy ... how many safetys do you know that in collage can rack up 2 years in a row with 100+ tackles

But we don't need a guy like Roy! We need a guy to compliment Roy.

He's not like Roy, look beyond the physical stats and actually watch Landry play. He can cover better than just about anyone in the college game currently. He's bigger than Nelson, so? Landry is a ballhawk wether you guys want to admit it or not.

Here's an example of Landry's speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew
I never said Landry wasn't a great FS. He is. He won't be there for us though. I like Michael Griffin just as much as Landry. ...and Griffin could fall to us. Coverage wise, speed wise, I'd have to say Nelson is on another level.

[Staubach12]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.

but i dont think Landry will not be there for you guys and dont for get Michael Griffin is a very good solid tackler like roy ... how many safetys do you know that in collage can rack up 2 years in a row with 100+ tackles

But we don't need a guy like Roy! We need a guy to compliment Roy.

He's not like Roy, look beyond the physical stats and actually watch Landry play. He can cover better than just about anyone in the college game currently. He's bigger than Nelson, so? Landry is a ballhawk wether you guys want to admit it or not.

Here's an example of Landry's speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew

I was talking about Griffeth. Landry's my guy if we go FS in round 1.

[Ward]

Why do we need this "pure cover" guy at FS? Certainly you guys remember Darren Woodson, the converted linebacker? You don't need to be a converted corner to play free safety in the league, you need to be smart and make good decisions which is how Woodson made it work for himself. Landry is the better prospect in every way over Nelson, but maybe he'll run a slower 40. Don't be fooled. Landry has a body of work, whereas I've only heard of Nelson starting in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON. Buyer beware.
Don't be mislead only because you've only heard about him this year. He's a JC transfer and he has another year of eligibilty. He's faced top notch competition and has excelled this year. You can't deny the fact that he's a gamebreaker.

Why do we need a "pure cover" guy at FS? I can't believe I'm hearing these words. haha. How many times have we gotten beat deep this year and last year and the year before that??? Let's not get confused here. Nelson is not only a pure cover safety. He's simply the best one, imo.

Sounds like his name is picking up speed and may not be there late in the first anymore... but Landry for sure will not be there. ...and Landry is not worth trading up for.

...and Woodson could play FS because like you said... he had the smarts to play it. Those smarts came after years and years of veteran experience. He was a SS before we got Roy. You don't just draft a guy and expect him to have the smarts of a Darren Woodson to help subsidize his physically inept coverage skills.

That said, hell I'd be stoked if we got Landry. I just don't see the possibility of grabbing him without trading up. ...and he's not worth trading up for.

If we talk about hoping to get Landry, we might as well begin hopes of drafting Calvin Johnson too.

:roll: I've been a draft nerd at this site for a couple of years and Reggie Nelson has never been mentioned prior to this fall. I'm not the only one. He's faced the same level of competition as Landry, and has done well - this season.

We need someone who can cover well at this point to get a significant upgrade to our defense. We don't need Ed Reed. We need a young Brian Dawkins.

Personally I think Scott overrates safeties with the exception of Sean Taylor. Remember thinking Brodney Pool would be gone before we got to take him? Then he went in the 2nd to Cleveland because he wasn't really that hot of a prospect. Landry or Nelson, possible both will be there. The real question is: which one is a Parcells type player?

[D-Unit]

He's not like Roy, look beyond the physical stats and actually watch Landry play. He can cover better than just about anyone in the college game currently. He's bigger than Nelson, so? Landry is a ballhawk wether you guys want to admit it or not.

Here's an example of Landry's speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew
Just saw that vid. Impressive... but if you think Nelson isn't an intimidator in his own right and can't deliver hits, you'd be dead wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMGyqZ-TBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRW3JFaMN_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o2ULj5IsQ&mode=related&search=

[Jughead10]

I've been a draft nerd at this site for a couple of years and Reggie Nelson has never been mentioned prior to this fall.

People hit strides at different periods. Happens all the time. Not many people talked about players like Dunta Robinson prior to the season he went into the draft.

[Ward]

He's not like Roy, look beyond the physical stats and actually watch Landry play. He can cover better than just about anyone in the college game currently. He's bigger than Nelson, so? Landry is a ballhawk wether you guys want to admit it or not.

Here's an example of Landry's speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew
Just saw that vid. Impressive... but if you think Nelson isn't an intimidator in his own right and can't deliver hits, you'd be dead wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMGyqZ-TBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRW3JFaMN_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o2ULj5IsQ&mode=related&search=

I've never said an ill word about Nelson other than that he lacks the experience of Landry. Landry is a 4 year starter at free safety in the SEC.

[Staubach12]

I agree with thule, we need a WR, but I'd like Blalock in the 1st, and get a WR somewhere later. I like Paul Williams or Chansi Stuckey in the 2nd. Another two guys I like that aren't as fast are Bowe and Steve Smith. Some guys in later rounds that are kind of in the middle as far as speed goes that I like are Craig Davis and Chris Davis. In late rounds, I like Ryan Moore.
Those guys are .... blah. Serviceable at the most. I am a fan of Steve Smith though. Smart player with great hands. Always seems to find the soft zone coverage holes. Not an NFL #1 though.

I see Bowe as a guy who can be a #1 in time. And I think his speed is a bit underrated. We'll see come Combine time.

[D-Unit]

I've been a draft nerd at this site for a couple of years and Reggie Nelson has never been mentioned prior to this fall.

People hit strides at different periods. Happens all the time. Not many people talked about players like Dunta Robinson prior to the season he went into the draft.
A lot of it has to do with the fact that he was playing in Junior College. If he wasn't tearing it up there, he wouldn't be starting at Florida. Being in JC doesn't mean you aren't an NFL caliber prospect.

[bigbluedefense]

Actually, now that I think about it.

Reggie Nelson = Bob Sanders
Landry = Sean Taylor

Landry is the guy I want at SS, but not at FS. I think Nelson is just a better FS.

[D-Unit]

He's not like Roy, look beyond the physical stats and actually watch Landry play. He can cover better than just about anyone in the college game currently. He's bigger than Nelson, so? Landry is a ballhawk wether you guys want to admit it or not.

Here's an example of Landry's speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew
Just saw that vid. Impressive... but if you think Nelson isn't an intimidator in his own right and can't deliver hits, you'd be dead wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMGyqZ-TBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRW3JFaMN_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o2ULj5IsQ&mode=related&search=

I've never said an ill word about Nelson other than that he lacks the experience of Landry. Landry is a 4 year starter at free safety in the SEC.
Yeah, but Landry won't last past 20. Do you think we should trade up for him?

[Ward]

Yeah, but Landry won't last past 20. Do you think we should trade up for him?

I disagree that he won't last past 20, he will. But no, he wouldn't be worth trading up for.

[D-Unit]

Actually, now that I think about it.

Reggie Nelson = Bob Sanders
Landry = Sean Taylor

Landry is the guy I want at SS, but not at FS. I think Nelson is just a better FS.
Bob Sanders isn't comparison I'd make. Sanders is a lot shorter at 5'8". Nelson is listed at 6'1" which means he's probably 6'0".

Nelson to me plays more similarly to someone like Charles Tillman or Ken Hamlin.

Landry is like Darren Sharper.

[D-Unit]

Yeah, but Landry won't last past 20. Do you think we should trade up for him?

I disagree that he won't last past 20, he will. But no, he wouldn't be worth trading up for.
You could be right in the end... and Nelson could be the one that doesn't make it past 20. :lol:

[thule]

Yeah, but Landry won't last past 20. Do you think we should trade up for him?

I disagree that he won't last past 20, he will. But no, he wouldn't be worth trading up for.
You could be right in the end... and Nelson could be the one that doesn't make it past 20. :lol:

This end of the year is key to how early we address FS...hopefully Watkins fills in and we can use our first somewhere else.

[nrcirc]

It looks like going to be a good game. Giants have 3 (Umenyiora, Short, Madison back from injuries) or even Michael Strahan is a maybe for the Sunday game.

[Staubach12]

Suisham is a traitor. I actually liked him...

[D-Unit]

Suisham is a traitor. I actually liked him...
I liked him too. I loved his kick offs. :(

[M.O.T.H.]

Suisham is a traitor. I actually liked him...
I liked him too. I loved his kick offs. :(

D my sig just turned into JJ Redick. okay? what happened?

Now it is Jameer again. hmm.

[D-Unit]

Suisham is a traitor. I actually liked him...
I liked him too. I loved his kick offs. :(

D my sig just turned into JJ Redick. okay? what happened?

Now it is Jameer again. hmm.
Are you only noticing that it changes now??? :shock:

[M.O.T.H.]

Suisham is a traitor. I actually liked him...
I liked him too. I loved his kick offs. :(

D my sig just turned into JJ Redick. okay? what happened?

Now it is Jameer again. hmm.
Are you only noticing that it changes now??? :shock:

You mean it always did that? I just got DSL today, that would explain a lot.

[M.O.T.H.]

That's pretty sweet D, it never worked for me until now, you're the man.

High speed internet is amazing.

[thule]

That's pretty sweet D, it never worked for me until now, you're the man.

High speed internet is amazing.

IDK how you lived without it....funny you just noticed it like 6 months later :lol:

[M.O.T.H.]

That's pretty sweet D, it never worked for me until now, you're the man.

High speed internet is amazing.

IDK how you lived without it....funny you just noticed it like 6 months later :lol:

It wouldnt do that with my old internet, man i've been missing out. it also took me about 25 minutes to dl a song, now it takes 10 seconds.

[thule]

That's pretty sweet D, it never worked for me until now, you're the man.

High speed internet is amazing.

IDK how you lived without it....funny you just noticed it like 6 months later :lol:

It wouldnt do that with my old internet, man i've been missing out. it also took me about 25 minutes to dl a song, now it takes 10 seconds.

Welcome to the next millenium.

[M.O.T.H.]

That's pretty sweet D, it never worked for me until now, you're the man.

High speed internet is amazing.

IDK how you lived without it....funny you just noticed it like 6 months later :lol:

It wouldnt do that with my old internet, man i've been missing out. it also took me about 25 minutes to dl a song, now it takes 10 seconds.

Welcome to the next millenium.

Took me long enough.

[Staubach12]

I have nothing better to do than write up another Cowboys mock.

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
5. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Syvelle Newton, RB/WR/S, South Carolina
7. Antonio Johnson, NT, Miss St
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson

[LonghornsLegend]

I have nothing better to do than write up another Cowboys mock.

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
5. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Syvelle Newton, RB/WR/S, South Carolina
7. Antonio Johnson, NT, Miss St
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson


im just curious how you and other cowboys fans feel now, any different then how you felt after the Giants game? when you and alot of other people were campaigning for next year, and giving up on this year already, i remember asking everybody what their problems were and why they thought a season was 8 weeks long, but now the bandwagon is back full and all of a sudden we turned into the favorite in the NFC....


oh and the mock is nice, i like it, looks more like wishful thinking though....meriweather in the 4th? id be doing flips and cartwheels to get him that late, hell id take him 2nd-3rd rd for his talent and at a position we could use....


and sidney rice would be great, dont know if we take a WR first rd, but i think it be the smart choice, i thought we needed one last year, but will crayton and rice be a good wr combo in the future? dont know, crayton looks like a solid 2 playing alongside a great #1, but rice would blossom well with the wr's on roster next yr and in his 2nd yr be nice to have

[Staubach12]

I'm a pessimist, so that may explane a lot. And I tend to overreact sometimes.

[Staubach12]

I have nothing better to do than write up another Cowboys mock.

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
5. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Syvelle Newton, RB/WR/S, South Carolina
7. Antonio Johnson, NT, Miss St
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson


im just curious how you and other cowboys fans feel now, any different then how you felt after the Giants game? when you and alot of other people were campaigning for next year, and giving up on this year already, i remember asking everybody what their problems were and why they thought a season was 8 weeks long, but now the bandwagon is back full and all of a sudden we turned into the favorite in the NFC....


oh and the mock is nice, i like it, looks more like wishful thinking though....meriweather in the 4th? id be doing flips and cartwheels to get him that late, hell id take him 2nd-3rd rd for his talent and at a position we could use....


and sidney rice would be great, dont know if we take a WR first rd, but i think it be the smart choice, i thought we needed one last year, but will crayton and rice be a good wr combo in the future? dont know, crayton looks like a solid 2 playing alongside a great #1, but rice would blossom well with the wr's on roster next yr and in his 2nd yr be nice to have

Yes, you're right. Meriweather is out of place. That is a bit too late for him. I'll work on it.

[M.O.T.H.]

To be fair, i never gave up on this team, i said we'd go 11-5 after that Giants game, we may be able to top that.

[Staubach12]

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland
5. Kareem Brown, NT, Miami (FL)
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Syvelle Newton, RB/WR/S, South Carolina
7. Justin Vincent, RB, LSU
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson

I'm not too familiar with Josh Wilson. Is that about right for him?

[leroyisgod]

I just got offered two tickets for the game this week- $170/tix, lower level in the end zone. However, the last 4 games I've gone to, the Cowboys have lost. Fellas, should i go or not?

[D-Unit]

I have nothing better to do than write up another Cowboys mock.

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL)
5. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Syvelle Newton, RB/WR/S, South Carolina
7. Antonio Johnson, NT, Miss St
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson


im just curious how you and other cowboys fans feel now, any different then how you felt after the Giants game? when you and alot of other people were campaigning for next year, and giving up on this year already, i remember asking everybody what their problems were and why they thought a season was 8 weeks long, but now the bandwagon is back full and all of a sudden we turned into the favorite in the NFC....


oh and the mock is nice, i like it, looks more like wishful thinking though....meriweather in the 4th? id be doing flips and cartwheels to get him that late, hell id take him 2nd-3rd rd for his talent and at a position we could use....


and sidney rice would be great, dont know if we take a WR first rd, but i think it be the smart choice, i thought we needed one last year, but will crayton and rice be a good wr combo in the future? dont know, crayton looks like a solid 2 playing alongside a great #1, but rice would blossom well with the wr's on roster next yr and in his 2nd yr be nice to have
Funny how you only appear now once we're doing well. You're the one that disappeared after the Giants game, buddy. Who exactly is the fair weather fan? Look in the mirror.

[D-Unit]

I just got offered two tickets for the game this week- $170/tix, lower level in the end zone. However, the last 4 games I've gone to, the Cowboys have lost. Fellas, should i go or not?
I don't like endzone tickets... especially lower level.

[leroyisgod]

I just got offered two tickets for the game this week- $170/tix, lower level in the end zone. However, the last 4 games I've gone to, the Cowboys have lost. Fellas, should i go or not?
I don't like endzone tickets... especially lower level.

Me either, but would love to be there, but don't want to jinx the team.

[Ward]

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland
5. Kareem Brown, NT, Miami (FL)
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Syvelle Newton, RB/WR/S, South Carolina
7. Justin Vincent, RB, LSU
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson

I'm not too familiar with Josh Wilson. Is that about right for him?

Wilson is a fast riser and by the time the combine is over he'll be in the 2nd round at least.

[bigbluedefense]

I just got offered two tickets for the game this week- $170/tix, lower level in the end zone. However, the last 4 games I've gone to, the Cowboys have lost. Fellas, should i go or not?
I don't like endzone tickets... especially lower level.

Me either, but would love to be there, but don't want to jinx the team.

170 is uber cheap. Heck I bet they go for 300 by Sunday. If you don't want to go, you can always sell em and make some money.

[Burns336]

Back to the discussion between landry and nelson... Personally i would rather have nelson, but does anyone think we might go landry for the simple fact that he is from LSU (if hes still around)? we have spears and james starting on our team and we have drafted other players from LSU; It seems to be one of the schools parcells likes to pull from.

[CTCowboysFan]

I like Landry because it seems like we have been talking about him being a first round pick for three years, and every time I watch him he makes a play, as in a turnover.

[Staubach12]

1. Sidney Rice, WR, South Coarolina
2. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn
3. Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
4. Brandon Frye, OT, Virginia Tech
5. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
6. Isaiah Stanback, QB, Washington
7. Antonio Johnson, NT, Miss St
7. Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson
7. Ryan Moore, WR, Miami (FL)

[Staubach12]

Back to the discussion between landry and nelson... Personally i would rather have nelson, but does anyone think we might go landry for the simple fact that he is from LSU (if hes still around)? we have spears and james starting on our team and we have drafted other players from LSU; It seems to be one of the schools parcells likes to pull from.

BP does like LSU, and I think Landry is just better, so I'm a Landry guy.

[thule]

Back to the discussion between landry and nelson... Personally i would rather have nelson, but does anyone think we might go landry for the simple fact that he is from LSU (if hes still around)? we have spears and james starting on our team and we have drafted other players from LSU; It seems to be one of the schools parcells likes to pull from.

BP does like LSU, and I think Landry is just better, so I'm a Landry guy.

I don't think anyone here is opposed to Landry. However just voiced that he doesn't hold enough value to trade up for. He will likely be the first S off the board so we really don't have a shot outside of moving up.

[DMWSackMachine]

Well, guys, big news here. Today the new Aikman Efficiency Ratings are out, and for the first time this year your Dallas Cowboys are on top.

Rec_Team_______Comb__Off______Def_Off_Def_Combined
1 7-4 Dallas...........170.3....88.2.........82.1 4 4 8
2 9-2 San Diego.....170.2....96.4.........73.8 5 9 14
3 9-2 Chicago........169.4....76.0.........93.4 13 1 14
4 8-3 New England 168.8....82.4..........86.4 7 6 13
5 9-2 Baltimore......168.5....73.9.........94.6 25 2 27
6 6-5 Jacksonville...166.5....79.2.........87.3 17 3 20
7 10-1 Indianapolis 162.4.....93.7.........68.7 3 13 16
8 7-4 Denver.........160.3....79.1..........81.2 22 16 38
9 7-4 Kansas City..156.4.....81.2.........75.2 15 12 27
10 6-5 Cincinnati....154.8.....83.9........70.9 8 31 39

I'm not sure if you all are familiar with the formula, but most critics have agreed that the AER is a much better gauge of the quality of a team, both offensively and defensively than the traditional methods of YPG or PPG. The only significant factor that is not taken into account is TOs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9836531

[Burns336]

Back to the discussion between landry and nelson... Personally i would rather have nelson, but does anyone think we might go landry for the simple fact that he is from LSU (if hes still around)? we have spears and james starting on our team and we have drafted other players from LSU; It seems to be one of the schools parcells likes to pull from.

BP does like LSU, and I think Landry is just better, so I'm a Landry guy.

I don't think anyone here is opposed to Landry. However just voiced that he doesn't hold enough value to trade up for. He will likely be the first S off the board so we really don't have a shot outside of moving up.

Im not opposed to him either, i would just rather have the better ballhawk at FS. At his point either one would be a great pick up if we could get them and overall i think Landry is the better player. I believe hes bigger and more physical, yet he can still cover. For our purposes though i think Nelson may have a slight edge in the speed and coverage areas and we already have Roy to compliment that.

[LSUALUM99]

Well, guys, big news here. Today the new Aikman Efficiency Ratings are out, and for the first time this year your Dallas Cowboys are on top.

Rec_Team_______Comb__Off______Def_Off_Def_Combined
1 7-4 Dallas...........170.3....88.2.........82.1 4 4 8
2 9-2 San Diego.....170.2....96.4.........73.8 5 9 14
3 9-2 Chicago........169.4....76.0.........93.4 13 1 14
4 8-3 New England 168.8....82.4..........86.4 7 6 13
5 9-2 Baltimore......168.5....73.9.........94.6 25 2 27
6 6-5 Jacksonville...166.5....79.2.........87.3 17 3 20
7 10-1 Indianapolis 162.4.....93.7.........68.7 3 13 16
8 7-4 Denver.........160.3....79.1..........81.2 22 16 38
9 7-4 Kansas City..156.4.....81.2.........75.2 15 12 27
10 6-5 Cincinnati....154.8.....83.9........70.9 8 31 39

I'm not sure if you all are familiar with the formula, but most critics have agreed that the AER is a much better gauge of the quality of a team, both offensively and defensively than the traditional methods of YPG or PPG. The only significant factor that is not taken into account is TOs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9836531

Based on the Footballoustiders.com metrics the Cowboys are one of only two teams with an offense and defense in the top 10, and the only team with an offense and defense in the top 5 (4th in both btw). According to their metrics there hasn't been an SB winner with a defense not rated in the top 15 and only 2 not in the top 10 since 1994 (the first year of their metrics).

Again, it begs the question. How bad is our FS situation or our OL situation if we are the only team in top 5 on both sides of the ball?

[Poet3334]

Well, guys, big news here. Today the new Aikman Efficiency Ratings are out, and for the first time this year your Dallas Cowboys are on top.

Rec_Team_______Comb__Off______Def_Off_Def_Combined
1 7-4 Dallas...........170.3....88.2.........82.1 4 4 8
2 9-2 San Diego.....170.2....96.4.........73.8 5 9 14
3 9-2 Chicago........169.4....76.0.........93.4 13 1 14
4 8-3 New England 168.8....82.4..........86.4 7 6 13
5 9-2 Baltimore......168.5....73.9.........94.6 25 2 27
6 6-5 Jacksonville...166.5....79.2.........87.3 17 3 20
7 10-1 Indianapolis 162.4.....93.7.........68.7 3 13 16
8 7-4 Denver.........160.3....79.1..........81.2 22 16 38
9 7-4 Kansas City..156.4.....81.2.........75.2 15 12 27
10 6-5 Cincinnati....154.8.....83.9........70.9 8 31 39

I'm not sure if you all are familiar with the formula, but most critics have agreed that the AER is a much better gauge of the quality of a team, both offensively and defensively than the traditional methods of YPG or PPG. The only significant factor that is not taken into account is TOs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9836531

Based on the Footballoustiders.com metrics the Cowboys are one of only two teams with an offense and defense in the top 10, and the only team with an offense and defense in the top 5 (4th in both btw). According to their metrics there hasn't been an SB winner with a defense not rated in the top 15 and only 2 not in the top 10 since 1994 (the first year of their metrics).

Again, it begs the question. How bad is our FS situation or our OL situation if we are the only team in top 5 on both sides of the ball?

I think we're gelling on both sides of the line now. More cohesion is helping us tremendously. If you guys remember when the line was struggling, we were not picking up stunts and blitzes. That's a communication thing, not a physical thing.. Sure Romo has helped, but playing together and learning tendencies has a lot to do with it.

[Poet3334]

What is going on with the Giants?

http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2680347&name=FPT-2680347-112921&srvc=sz

[Burns336]

anyone else think if we go o-line in the first we should check out big number 78?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=2672149

[Modano]

Bill said that we'll see a lot more of Watkins in the final 5 weeks.. He has the oppurtunity to show us that we need no Nelson or Landry... I hope so :wink:

[Paul]

Bill said that we'll see a lot more of Watkins in the final 5 weeks.. He has the oppurtunity to show us that we need no Nelson or Landry... I hope so :wink:

I really hope he plays well. But even if he plays great, it's still be a position of concern for me.

[bigmac076]

my first Cowboys 3 round mock:

Round 1) Justin Blalock - OG - Texas
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/2007%20Draft%20Pick%20Pics/blalockjustin.jpghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/Custom%20Jersey/BlalockJersey.jpg

Round 2) Dwayne Bowe - WR - LSU
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/2007%20Draft%20Pick%20Pics/bowedwayne.jpghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/Custom%20Jersey/BoweJersey.jpg

Round 3) Josh Wilson - CB - Mayland
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/2007%20Draft%20Pick%20Pics/wisonjosh.jpghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/Custom%20Jersey/WilsonJersey.jpg

again, its my first mock

[Burns336]

thought you guys would enjoy this to help get fired up for sundays big game...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/061131

[D-Unit]

I do like Bowe. I think he'll be a much better NFL WR than he was in college. I'd take him in round 2 and be happy with that.

[CTCowboysFan]

thought you guys would enjoy this to help get fired up for sundays big game...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/061131

Thanks. Funny article. :D

[Poet3334]

thought you guys would enjoy this to help get fired up for sundays big game...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/061131

Thanks. Funny article. :D

I honestly think that's what they do in their meetings, especially Tiki :lol:

[CTCowboysFan]

thought you guys would enjoy this to help get fired up for sundays big game...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/061131

Thanks. Funny article. :D

I honestly think that's what they do in their meetings, especially Tiki :lol:

Yeah it's hilarious.....everybody knows Coughlin can't control his players....I love it :D

[Marion Barber III 24]

my first Cowboys 3 round mock:

Round 1) Justin Blalock - OG - Texas
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/2007%20Draft%20Pick%20Pics/blalockjustin.jpghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/Custom%20Jersey/BlalockJersey.jpg

Round 2) Dwayne Bowe - WR - LSU
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/2007%20Draft%20Pick%20Pics/bowedwayne.jpghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/Custom%20Jersey/BoweJersey.jpg

Round 3) Josh Wilson - CB - Mayland
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/2007%20Draft%20Pick%20Pics/wisonjosh.jpghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/jblaze66/Custom%20Jersey/WilsonJersey.jpg

again, its my first mock

I like that mock. Even if the players fall, that is still the route I see we should go. Im still a little wary on picking an O-Lineman early on. With Rogers nor Peterman our early o-lineman haven't panned out great. But I see Blalock being a great fit. Bowe has a bright future. But could be the same as Michael Clayton. I see a lot in Wilson. A faster younger version of Aaron Glenn.

[Modano]

Some good stuff about why Newman plays the slot in the nickel... from the cowboys blog

Joyner does not detail how much Glenn’s presence helps the shaky Cowboys safeties, particularly the free safeties Keith Davis and Pat Watkins. Many nickel backs line up in the slot, where many teams put their third receiver. Teams with really good wideouts have in recent years started to line up their biggest and best receivers inside, to create a #1 WR versus a #3 corner mismatch.

One Glenn value is his ability, at age 34, to man an outside position. This allows Dallas to move #1 corner Terence Newman inside, nullifying any interior mismatches defenses want to create. Two games ago, the Colts tried taking advantage of Dallas’ scheme by leaving top wideout Marvin Harrison outside against Glenn, while lining Reggie Wayne inside on Newman and putting their third receiver on Henry.

[Paul]

Some good stuff about why Newman plays the slot in the nickel... from the cowboys blog

Joyner does not detail how much Glenn’s presence helps the shaky Cowboys safeties, particularly the free safeties Keith Davis and Pat Watkins. Many nickel backs line up in the slot, where many teams put their third receiver. Teams with really good wideouts have in recent years started to line up their biggest and best receivers inside, to create a #1 WR versus a #3 corner mismatch.

One Glenn value is his ability, at age 34, to man an outside position. This allows Dallas to move #1 corner Terence Newman inside, nullifying any interior mismatches defenses want to create. Two games ago, the Colts tried taking advantage of Dallas’ scheme by leaving top wideout Marvin Harrison outside against Glenn, while lining Reggie Wayne inside on Newman and putting their third receiver on Henry.

So basically put Newman on the other team's best receiver. A very good idea, I like it.

[bigmac076]

Upcoming Cowboys' UFAs and RFAs to sign, or not to sign:

Coleman, Kenyon DE UFA - Yes, good size for what we need at DE for depth
Coleman, Marcus S UFA - No, no explanation needed
Colombo, Marc OT UFA - Yes, he has seemed to show that he is in fact a reliable starter.
Crayton, Patrick WR RFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Fowler, Ryan LB RFA - Yes, our LB core is working great dont break it up
Glymph, Junior LB RFA - Yes, our LB core is working great dont break it up
Gurode, Andre C UFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Johnson, Al C RFA - Yes, a good backup who knows the system who has started before
Jones, Nathan CB RFA - Yes, Glenn is not getting any younger and we will need to draft a replacement for him already
McBriar, Mat P RFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Pierce, Brett TE RFA - Neutral, if they do thats fine, if they don't thats fine
Reeves, Jacques CB RFA - Yes, same reason as Jones' the DBs are working good together and we need to stay young back there
Singleton, Al LB UFA - No, he has not shown me that he fits in the 3-4 scheme

[Poet3334]

Upcoming Cowboys' UFAs and RFAs to sign, or not to sign:

Coleman, Kenyon DE UFA - Yes, good size for what we need at DE for depth
Coleman, Marcus S UFA - No, no explanation needed
Colombo, Marc OT UFA - Yes, he has seemed to show that he is in fact a reliable starter.
Crayton, Patrick WR RFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Fowler, Ryan LB RFA - Yes, our LB core is working great dont break it up
Glymph, Junior LB RFA - Yes, our LB core is working great dont break it up
Gurode, Andre C UFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Johnson, Al C RFA - Yes, a good backup who knows the system who has started before
Jones, Nathan CB RFA - Yes, Glenn is not getting any younger and we will need to draft a replacement for him already
McBriar, Mat P RFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Pierce, Brett TE RFA - Neutral, if they do thats fine, if they don't thats fine
Reeves, Jacques CB RFA - Yes, same reason as Jones' the DBs are working good together and we need to stay young back there
Singleton, Al LB UFA - No, he has not shown me that he fits in the 3-4 scheme

I don't know if we keep Johnson. You can't pay a backup too much money. I think that may be the reason we picked up those two guards also. They are very versitile. Both of them can play center if necessary. I also don't think we'll bring Glymph back.

[dpl85]

Jerry Jones said earlier today on the radio when asked if he thought he would spend a first day pick on Mason Crosby he said "I doubt it". He also said he'll never pay big money for a kicker again after Vanderjagt failed so badly.

[bigmac076]

Jerry Jones said earlier today on the radio when asked if he thought he would spend a first day pick on Mason Crosby he said "I doubt it". He also said he'll never pay big money for a kicker again after Vanderjagt failed so badly.

not surprising

[FinChase]

Upcoming Cowboys' UFAs and RFAs to sign, or not to sign:

Coleman, Kenyon DE UFA - Yes, good size for what we need at DE for depth
Coleman, Marcus S UFA - No, no explanation needed
Colombo, Marc OT UFA - Yes, he has seemed to show that he is in fact a reliable starter.
Crayton, Patrick WR RFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Fowler, Ryan LB RFA - Yes, our LB core is working great dont break it up
Glymph, Junior LB RFA - Yes, our LB core is working great dont break it up
Gurode, Andre C UFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Johnson, Al C RFA - Yes, a good backup who knows the system who has started before
Jones, Nathan CB RFA - Yes, Glenn is not getting any younger and we will need to draft a replacement for him already
McBriar, Mat P RFA - Yes, without a doubt, no explanation needed
Pierce, Brett TE RFA - Neutral, if they do thats fine, if they don't thats fine
Reeves, Jacques CB RFA - Yes, same reason as Jones' the DBs are working good together and we need to stay young back there
Singleton, Al LB UFA - No, he has not shown me that he fits in the 3-4 scheme

Singleton is a good, solid player who's willing to be a role player. Teams always need guys like that. I think Johnson will be gone, because of the price. My guess is either Reeves or Jones is gone, as well as possibly Fowler, although all three are RFAs, which makes them a little easier to re-sign if we want.

[Staubach12]

Jerry Jones said earlier today on the radio when asked if he thought he would spend a first day pick on Mason Crosby he said "I doubt it". He also said he'll never pay big money for a kicker again after Vanderjagt failed so badly.

Thatsucks.WeneedCrosby.

(BTW,sorryguysmyspcebarisbroken.)

[dpl85]

I'm gonna be really dissapointed if D-Ware doesn't have at least one sack on Bob Whitfield and maybe two. If we can get pretty consistent pressure on Eli I think he'll throw us some picks. Our number one priority is of course to really limit or even shut down their run game, if Tiki gets over 100 yards we probably lose. Of course this is a lot easier said than done. I almost think we should commit 8 guys to stop the run as their WRs don't really scare me except Shockey and Burress. I don't think they really have any speed burners at WR except I guess Carter and Moss but I'm not sure if they're playing. I wish we would just have Newman follow Burress all over the field as I don't think they really have any other WRs that can hurt us without Toomer as long as our FS doesn't blow coverages.

[CTCowboysFan]

There gonna have Shockey lined up on Ware's side to help block him, so I won't be that disappointed in D-Ware if he doesn't get a sack because they are gameplanning around trying to stop him.

[Marion Barber III 24]

There gonna have Shockey lined up on Ware's side to help block him, so I won't be that disappointed in D-Ware if he doesn't get a sack because they are gameplanning around trying to stop him.

Well can't complain about that. It will probably be Shiancoe. They keep Shockey into Block they are in some trouble. With Only Plax, and Tiki on screens could be huge for us.

[Poet3334]

Sinorice Moss is finally going to play. I don't know if that's good or bad.

[Marion Barber III 24]

Sinorice Moss is finally going to play. I don't know if that's good or bad.

If he is matched up on Henry, Henry better get a hand on him!

[Poet3334]

Sinorice Moss is finally going to play. I don't know if that's good or bad.

If he is matched up on Henry, Henry better get a hand on him!

Very true. The last thing I wanna see is Moss speeding down the field.

[Marion Barber III 24]

I look at Moss if he is matched up on Henry in two ways.

Henry matched up on Galloway on Thanksgiving. He didn't get a Hand on him, and Still made a play.

- Galloway is a Vet, and Has experience getting off the line
- Is Moss as fast / faster as an Aging Galloway?

[Poet3334]

They really talk alot don't they?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/476491p-400884c.html

[Marion Barber III 24]

If our team isn't fired up, then I don't know what is going to fire them up.

[Poet3334]

If our team isn't fired up, then I don't know what is going to fire them up.

True dat MBIII

[pocketaces]

anybody else feel this way back in week 7 :D :D

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on October 26, three days after a 36-22 loss to the Giants left Dallas at 3-3: "I'm disappointed at the reason we're having to make this change (at quarterback). I have to be a realist. I hadn't thought or hoped we'd be sitting here after the sixth game making these adjustments. I did not want to go to an inexperienced quarterback (this year). I wanted to have the benefit of Drew Bledsoe. It hasn't worked out as of today. It just hasn't worked out. That to me is a step back."

And Jones 28 days later with his team at 7-4 after a 38-10 Thanksgiving Day win over Tampa Bay: "This is the best we've played this year. Frankly, these back-to-back wins are the best we've looked in 10 years. We're a team that's got time to take advantage of getting a lot better. What we're doing … can pay off over the next four or five weeks."

[Poet3334]

anybody else feel this way back in week 7 :D :D

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on October 26, three days after a 36-22 loss to the Giants left Dallas at 3-3: "I'm disappointed at the reason we're having to make this change (at quarterback). I have to be a realist. I hadn't thought or hoped we'd be sitting here after the sixth game making these adjustments. I did not want to go to an inexperienced quarterback (this year). I wanted to have the benefit of Drew Bledsoe. It hasn't worked out as of today. It just hasn't worked out. That to me is a step back."

And Jones 28 days later with his team at 7-4 after a 38-10 Thanksgiving Day win over Tampa Bay: "This is the best we've played this year. Frankly, these back-to-back wins are the best we've looked in 10 years. We're a team that's got time to take advantage of getting a lot better. What we're doing … can pay off over the next four or five weeks."


Absoulutely!!! But, I realized that Bledsoe was playing scared. I knew he had to sit. I never thought Romo would be doing what he's doing. I'm sure a lot of us can say that. I do agree with Jerry on the one point. I haven't seen us play with this much confidence in a long time.

[Paul]

Question, why not put the the quicker and more agile Glenn on Moss? And let Henry play the slot.

[pocketaces]

anybody else feel this way back in week 7 :D :D

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on October 26, three days after a 36-22 loss to the Giants left Dallas at 3-3: "I'm disappointed at the reason we're having to make this change (at quarterback). I have to be a realist. I hadn't thought or hoped we'd be sitting here after the sixth game making these adjustments. I did not want to go to an inexperienced quarterback (this year). I wanted to have the benefit of Drew Bledsoe. It hasn't worked out as of today. It just hasn't worked out. That to me is a step back."

And Jones 28 days later with his team at 7-4 after a 38-10 Thanksgiving Day win over Tampa Bay: "This is the best we've played this year. Frankly, these back-to-back wins are the best we've looked in 10 years. We're a team that's got time to take advantage of getting a lot better. What we're doing … can pay off over the next four or five weeks."


Absoulutely!!! But, I realized that Bledsoe was playing scared. I knew he had to sit. I never thought Romo would be doing what he's doing. I'm sure a lot of us can say that. I do agree with Jerry on the one point. I haven't seen us play with this much confidence in a long time.

true. but i remember after being 3-3 how frustrating it was because you knew the talet was there but we were so inconsistnt. romo has been great and if we win this weekend the rest of the nfl is in trouble imo.

[Poet3334]

anybody else feel this way back in week 7 :D :D

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on October 26, three days after a 36-22 loss to the Giants left Dallas at 3-3: "I'm disappointed at the reason we're having to make this change (at quarterback). I have to be a realist. I hadn't thought or hoped we'd be sitting here after the sixth game making these adjustments. I did not want to go to an inexperienced quarterback (this year). I wanted to have the benefit of Drew Bledsoe. It hasn't worked out as of today. It just hasn't worked out. That to me is a step back."

And Jones 28 days later with his team at 7-4 after a 38-10 Thanksgiving Day win over Tampa Bay: "This is the best we've played this year. Frankly, these back-to-back wins are the best we've looked in 10 years. We're a team that's got time to take advantage of getting a lot better. What we're doing … can pay off over the next four or five weeks."


Absoulutely!!! But, I realized that Bledsoe was playing scared. I knew he had to sit. I never thought Romo would be doing what he's doing. I'm sure a lot of us can say that. I do agree with Jerry on the one point. I haven't seen us play with this much confidence in a long time.

true. but i remember after being 3-3 how frustrating it was because you knew the talet was there but we were so inconsistnt. romo has been great and if we win this weekend the rest of the nfl is in trouble imo.

You better believe it!

[DMWSackMachine]

This game is driving me crazy. I look at all the reasons for us to be successful, and I can't come up with any other conclusion besides us winning handily. But I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that I just can't shake. It is the same one I had before the Washington and Philly games. It says "something is about to go terribly wrong".

We've all seem these types of games. One team comes in playing great and on a roll, the other has been falling all over itself on a weekly basis. Yet the same players that could not buy a good play in the previous weeks are suddenly flying around making big one after big one, leaving the favored team to simply shake its head and ask "What the hell is happening here".

We all felt that in Washington 4 weeks ago. We all saw it happen to Chicago against Arizona. Same thing with Atlanta in back-to-backs against Cincy and Pitt. It happens all the time, and I have a bad feeling that it's going to happen again tomorrow.

I can just see that damn Walker dude making some over-his-head plays and picking the ball off or staying with Terry Glenn on a deep post. Or William Joseph come screaming off the edge time after time at our QB. Or Bob freakin' Whitfield keeping his balance and sealing off the edge vs. DMW. I have a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong.

Giants 27-23.

[Paul]

This game is driving me crazy. I look at all the reasons for us to be successful, and I can't come up with any other conclusion besides us winning handily. But I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that I just can't shake. It is the same one I had before the Washington and Philly games. It says "something is go to go terribly wrong".

We've all seem these types of games. One team comes in playing great and on a roll, the other has been falling all over itself on a weekly basis. Yet the same players that could not buy a good play in the previous weeks are suddenly flying around making big one after big one, leaving the favored team to simply shake its head and ask "What the hell is happening here".

We all felt that in Washington 4 weeks ago. We all saw it happen to Chicago against Arizona. Same thing with Atlanta in back-to-backs against Cincy and Pitt. It happens all the time, and I have a bad feeling that it's going to happen again tomorrow.

I can just see that damn Walker dude making some over-his-head plays and picking the ball off or staying with Terry Glenn on a deep post. Or William Joseph come screaming off the edge time after time at our QB. Or Bob freakin' Whitfield keeping his balance and sealing off the edge vs. DMW. I have a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong.

Giants 27-23.

Danm talk about a buzzkill.

But I get what you mean, I'm not totally confident about this games as others are. But I had this feeling before the Arizona game(don't ask why), so maybe it will turn the way we all hope.

[pocketaces]

well anytime you go on the road and your their "superbowl/philly" or a "must win/giants" it is a scary game. i sure dont think we should be the favorites in this game but if we are able to pull it out we will be on a serious roll and imo become the favorites in the nfc. yes even above da'bears because they have q.b. issues. i cant wait till kick off.

[Poet3334]

I'm a little uneasy as well. I'm confident that we'll play well, which is something that I was not before the Philly game and the Redskin game. I just think one of these weeks the Giants will play big. It's a dangerous situation.

[Marion Barber III 24]

I think we pull it off. We have failed in all of these games before. But that was with Bledsoe at the helm. Our qb has a spark to him that Drew lacked.

[Poet3334]

I think we pull it off. We have failed in all of these games before. But that was with Bledsoe at the helm. Our qb has a spark to him that Drew lacked.

I am pumped, and ready to go!

[CTCowboysFan]

Well it looks like most of the injured Giants will be active for the game.

Here are the current injury updates...

Sam Madison is listed as questionable but is expected to play

Carlos Emmons is listed as questionable but is expected to play

Gibril Wilson is listed as questionable but is expected to play

Osi Umenyoria is listed as questionable but is expected to play

Brandon Short is listed as questionable but is expected to play

Corey Webster is listed as questionable and is not expected to play

Luke Petigout is listed as out and will not be playing

Michael Strahan is listed as doubtful and is not expected to play

[CTCowboysFan]

I am happy that Strahan is out, and at least we know the ones that are active are not at 100%.

[Damix]

I have a bad feeling about this game and someone getting hurt badly. For Cowboys fans I hope not because its just bad to see teams get injured. For Giants fans I hope not for the sanity of our fans.

[CTCowboysFan]

I have a bad feeling about this game and someone getting hurt badly. For Cowboys fans I hope not because its just bad to see teams get injured. For Giants fans I hope not for the sanity of our fans.

I don't get it? Like who do you see getting injured and from what team?

[Burns336]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/guide?page=guide/week13



check the 5th quick hit down, i think this is newmans year for the pro bowl. even espn is recognizing him as second to champ.

[M.O.T.H.]

game day....judgement day.

[Marion Barber III 24]

game day....judgement day.

Yeah it is. Time to put up and take a Two game lead, or have to fight it out AGAIN.

[CTCowboysFan]

Everybody on ESPN Expert Picks picked the Cowboys! Hank Goldberg is the only one on ESPN who has picked the Giants so far.

Even Accuscore picked us, and that thing is pretty accurate. Check the picks out for yourself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent

[Poet3334]

Everybody on ESPN Expert Picks picked the Cowboys! Hank Goldberg is the only one on ESPN who has picked the Giants so far.

Even Accuscore picked us, and that thing is pretty accurate. Check the picks out for yourself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent

Nice. I feel good that Hank Goldberg picked against us. That's very reassuring :D

[Marion Barber III 24]

Just win!!!!!

[CTCowboysFan]

Everybody on ESPN Expert Picks picked the Cowboys! Hank Goldberg is the only one on ESPN who has picked the Giants so far.

Even Accuscore picked us, and that thing is pretty accurate. Check the picks out for yourself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent

Nice. I feel good that Hank Goldberg picked against us. That's very reassuring :D

lol, I hate that guy :D

[Poet3334]

Me too. Dware vs. Bob Whitfield. Ware has to have a big game.

[CTCowboysFan]

Did anybody see the piece on Tony Romo during NFL Countdown? It was very good. I enjoyed watching it. They showed college and high school highlights of him....it was pretty good.

[Poet3334]

Did anybody see the piece on Tony Romo during NFL Countdown? It was very good. I enjoyed watching it. They showed college and high school highlights of him....it was pretty good.

Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was good. It's funny how all of those people in Packer country are slowly becoming Cowboy fans.

[Staubach12]

Did anybody see the piece on Tony Romo during NFL Countdown? It was very good. I enjoyed watching it. They showed college and high school highlights of him....it was pretty good.

Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was good. It's funny how all of those people in Packer country are slowly becoming Cowboy fans.

Yeah, I saw that. I really enjoyed that. What did he write on that ball? I play for the love of the game or something like that... That was cool.

[Number 10]

We're out for blood today.

You'll see what I mean at 4.

[sweetness34]

We're out for blood today.

You'll see what I mean at 4.

You're out for Romosexual. God I that guy. 4 good games and he's the Jesus Christ of football. :lol:

[Staubach12]

Also, I'm not sure if you guys have heard this, but I just heard that before they signed Brees, The Saints tried to trade for Romo. So, the Packers and Saints and I thought there was another team who did, though I can't remember who that is...

[Poet3334]

We're out for blood today.

You'll see what I mean at 4.

You're out for Romosexual. God I that guy. 4 good games and he's the Jesus Christ of football. :lol:

How many picks has Grossman thrown today? I think you need to worry about him and not Romo.

And it's 5 good games, not 4.

[CTCowboysFan]

Did anybody see the piece on Tony Romo during NFL Countdown? It was very good. I enjoyed watching it. They showed college and high school highlights of him....it was pretty good.

Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was good. It's funny how all of those people in Packer country are slowly becoming Cowboy fans.

Yeah, I saw that. I really enjoyed that. What did he write on that ball? I play for the love of the game or something like that... That was cool.

Yeah that was awesome, he had that ball with I play for the love of the game written on it...I am glad we have a quarterback with not only great talent but a great attitude towards the game.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Martin!!! :? :? :?

[yno88]

Whitfield blatantly held Hatcher on the TD pass to Shockey. It's why Manning was able to roll out to his left.

BS no call.

[Poet3334]

Whitfield blatantly held Hatcher on the TD pass to Shockey. It's why Manning was able to roll out to his left.

BS no call.

I'm glad someone else saw that!

[fryman]

Did anybody see the piece on Tony Romo during NFL Countdown? It was very good. I enjoyed watching it. They showed college and high school highlights of him....it was pretty good.

Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was good. It's funny how all of those people in Packer country are slowly becoming Cowboy fans.

Yeah, I saw that. I really enjoyed that. What did he write on that ball? I play for the love of the game or something like that... That was cool.

Yeah that was awesome, he had that ball with I play for the love of the game written on it...I am glad we have a quarterback with not only great talent but a great attitude towards the game.

we'll see what he plays for this off season. :lol:

[Poet3334]

THAT was a terribel pass interference call!

[Ward]

We are lucky it's not 21-7.

[Poet3334]

THAT WAS A BIG PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to play on fourth down Ware!

[pocketaces]

here we go...we need a big return and some romomagic

[pocketaces]

YES!!!!!! HUGE PLAY

[Poet3334]

IT'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ward]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[M.O.T.H.]

Automatica is the man. First kick was a fluke, he will not miss here on out. :D

[leroyisgod]

AUTOMATICA GRAMMATICA...WHOO HOO!!!! HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!

Tough win boys...believe it or not, this is the kind of game that we needed. Tough, close game on the road. We proved we can win the big game on the road. Kudos to BP for making the big decision in dropping Vanderjagt for Automatica!!!

Alright, now onto next week. Tough game at home against the Saints. The passing defense will be challenged.

[pocketaces]

well boys we just became the team to beat in the nfc imo. just a great game and a great win. im still concerned with our pass rush and our kickoffs suck but i guess we can live with that as long as were winning. looking at the rest of our schedule we could win out. just a huge game for us.

[Paul]

One hell of game. I almost threw up a few times, but yet again Romo came through.


Only disappointment, Roy didn't lay one on Shockey. I would of loved that.

[dpl85]

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!

I love me some Romo and Gramatica!!!

Surely nobody doubts Romo now, he's got testicular fortitude!!!

[Number 10]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

[pocketaces]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

ummm thanks,i think :? are you sure you will be playing in january?

[Number 10]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

ummm thanks,i think :? are you sure you will be playing in january?

9-7 should be able to get us in....but winning out against Carolina, Philly, New Orleans, and Washington would give us a 10-6 and I think that's possible. But even if we lose to Carolina or New Orleans, I think a 3-1 finish will get us in.

[Poet3334]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

ummm thanks,i think :? are you sure you will be playing in january?



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[leroyisgod]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

ummm thanks,i think :? are you sure you will be playing in january?

9-7 should be able to get us in....but winning out against Carolina, Philly, New Orleans, and Washington would give us a 10-6 and I think that's possible. But even if we lose to Carolina or New Orleans, I think a 3-1 finish will get us in.

Good luck winning out with that schedule. I say you go 2-2 in that stretch.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: , I hate to admit but with all the annoying Giants fans on these boards even as a diehard redskins fan I was cheering for Dallas today against the Giants.

[Number 10]

Good game fellas.

The only thing I want is another game in Dallas in January so we can beat you there twice in one season.

You guys are the best in the NFC as of right now, enjoy it while it lasts.

ummm thanks,i think :? are you sure you will be playing in january?

9-7 should be able to get us in....but winning out against Carolina, Philly, New Orleans, and Washington would give us a 10-6 and I think that's possible. But even if we lose to Carolina or New Orleans, I think a 3-1 finish will get us in.

Good luck winning out with that schedule. I say you go 2-2 in that stretch.

Yeh our schedule is a killer. Has been all year. Oh well....I think 3-1 is very doable.

[CTCowboysFan]

We got New Orleans at home, Atlanta on the road, home against Philly, and home against Detroit. If we can go .500 the rest of the way we are in. That said I think we win 3 of 4.

[Poet3334]

We got New Orleans at home, Atlanta on the road, home against Philly, and home against Detroit. If we can go .500 the rest of the way we are in. That said I think we win 3 of 4.

I think we're winning all four of them. We're building a ton of confidence now.

[bearsfan_51]

The Great Gazoo lives!!!

[CTCowboysFan]

We got New Orleans at home, Atlanta on the road, home against Philly, and home against Detroit. If we can go .500 the rest of the way we are in. That said I think we win 3 of 4.

I think we're winning all four of them. We're building a ton of confidence now.

haha yeah man I know.

I just don't want to get carried away. I am just predicting we lose at Atlanta, its just one of those places we don't win at, and the last time we played them at home we lost too, so I am just going to say that's our only loss left.

[fryman]

We got New Orleans at home, Atlanta on the road, home against Philly, and home against Detroit. If we can go .500 the rest of the way we are in. That said I think we win 3 of 4.

Only team I'm really worried about is Atlanta. I think Romo will be able to sit back all day and pick the Saints apart, and the D should be able to stop them.

[Poet3334]

We got New Orleans at home, Atlanta on the road, home against Philly, and home against Detroit. If we can go .500 the rest of the way we are in. That said I think we win 3 of 4.

Only team I'm really worried about is Atlanta. I think Romo will be able to sit back all day and pick the Saints apart, and the D should be able to stop them.

I live in Atlanta. They're missing Kearney and cannot get much pressure with Abraham just coming back from the groin injury. Their seconday is a mess, and Vick just happens to have the worst set of wide receivers I have ever seen. That is not an exaggeration. Having said all of that, the x-factor is Vick. Watching how we gave up contain today against Eli has me scared to death about Vick. We're still gonna win.

[dpl85]

Good game, close game, heart attack inducing game, but it looks like Shockey and the Giants wrote a check with their mouth that their a$$ couldn't cash! :twisted:

Paybacks are a you know what!!! :twisted:

[Paul]

We got New Orleans at home, Atlanta on the road, home against Philly, and home against Detroit. If we can go .500 the rest of the way we are in. That said I think we win 3 of 4.

Only team I'm really worried about is Atlanta. I think Romo will be able to sit back all day and pick the Saints apart, and the D should be able to stop them.

I live in Atlanta. They're missing Kearney and cannot get much pressure with Abraham just coming back from the groin injury. Their seconday is a mess, and Vick just happens to have the worst set of wide receivers I have ever seen. That is not an exaggeration. Having said all of that, the x-factor is Vick. Watching how we gave up contain today against Eli has me scared to death about Vick. We're still gonna win.

Well we didn't really think Eli would be doing much running, and Parcells wasn't to worried about his scrambling, so no big deal. But Im pretty sure we will be ready for Vick's legs next week.

[Ward]

Was nice to see Akin Ayodele finally have a standout game.

[Staubach12]

Good game, close game, heart attack inducing game, but it looks like Shockey and the Giants wrote a check with their mouth that their a$$ couldn't cash! :twisted:

Paybacks are a you know what!!! :twisted:

:D It was a good game, but I'm already looking toward next week. That's going to be the real challenge. I'm not sure if we can win it, especially if Reggie Bush comes to play like he did today.

[dpl85]

Good game, close game, heart attack inducing game, but it looks like Shockey and the Giants wrote a check with their mouth that their a$$ couldn't cash! :twisted:

Paybacks are a you know what!!! :twisted:

:D It was a good game, but I'm already looking toward next week. That's going to be the real challenge. I'm not sure if we can win it, especially if Reggie Bush comes to play like he did today.
I've learned my lesson from before, I'm going to exercise the power of positive thinking and not even consider the possibility of failure. A wise man once said failure is not an option and the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. :wink:

[Jdallas]

I still don't think the Saints are a legimate playoff team. They may get there, but they aren't good enough to deserve a spot.

[Staubach12]

I still don't think the Saints are a legimate playoff team. They may get there, but they aren't good enough to deserve a spot.

Why not?

[dpl85]

The Saints probably haven't had a very tough schedule and their defense isn't very good but I certainly wouldn't take them lightly.

I'm on board with the Levi Brown pick now, I don't think Colombo played very well but he only gave up one sack and fought his butt off. Flo played really well with the exception of the false start, Osi didn't record a tackle. :shock:

[CTCowboysFan]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.

[Go Cowboys]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

[CTCowboysFan]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

Yeah and we have trouble with bigger backs. I actually don't see Bush going off on us.

[Poet3334]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

Yeah and we have trouble with bigger backs. I actually don't see Bush going off on us.

I think we'll expose their secondary, and I don't think they'll run the ball well on us.

[CTCowboysFan]

I just have one question though, when is JJ gonna pull his head out of his arse>?

[Poet3334]

I just have one question though, when is JJ gonna pull his head out of his arse>?

I do like when JJ's out on those screens though. Very exciting.

[CTCowboysFan]

I just have one question though, when is JJ gonna pull his head out of his arse>?

I do like when JJ's out on those screens though. Very exciting.

Yeah those are his biggest plays.

On a side, the Seahawks won, so that blows.

[Poet3334]

I just have one question though, when is JJ gonna pull his head out of his arse>?

I do like when JJ's out on those screens though. Very exciting.

Yeah those are his biggest plays.

On a side, the Seahawks won, so that blows.

CT, I just saw that kick that Brown made. That was awesome.

[sweetness34]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

[CTCowboysFan]

Yeah Brown is awesome, but I hate him for his 55 yarder against us last year.

By the way Bears fan, don't over look Torry Holt either :D

[Poet3334]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

[sweetness34]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

[CTCowboysFan]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

The pick that almost went for six bounced off a receivers' hands...I dunno if that qualifies as "Bone head"

[CTCowboysFan]

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[CTCowboysFan]

It serves the G-Men right for being so cocky. Honestly they have a crap loud of trash talking a-holes on their team.

[Poet3334]

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Check that out!! :lol:


That is great! I love it!

[Poet3334]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

[bearsfan_51]

Sweetness you went into the Cowboys thread and said something bad about Romo. Just abort now while you still can.

[Poet3334]

Sweetness you went into the Cowboys thread and said something bad about Romo. Just abort now while you still can.

I'm glad somebody warned him :)

[Burns336]

i dont understand why bears fans are saying anything bad about romo when they have rex grossman. 18 turn overs in the last 7 games, 14 picks and 4 fumbles... a 1.3 passer rating today?


I guess they are getting scared now that they have realized they arent the power house of the NFC anymore. they know that grossman junk isnt going to cut it against us in the NFC championship. at least try to save yourselves and put in griese, but for now, keep ROMO's pro bowl 5-1 name out of you mouth.

great game guys, detroit should be a win, i think we want to get philly back for earlier and that game should be big because of owens vs garcia's eagles, so we should take that at home. I think the saints might beat us with a pass heavy attack, but if we apply pressure like we did to peyton, we should have no problem. Vick sucks i dont care what he does on a week to week basis because overall he blows... force him to pass and we shouldnt have a problem...

taking all that into consideration, i think i would like to see us win the next three and then lose the last game to the lions... i wouldnt feel comfortable going into the playoffs winning 9 out of 10, its almost like we would be due for a loss. i think a loss going into the playoffs with a first round bye would be ideal (granted we cant move up or down). Of course i would say throw everything i just said out of the window if we are in a position to take home field or if we are still fighting for a first round bye.

[DMWSackMachine]

That was an ugly, ugly win. Romo ended up making the plays that he needed to make in order for us to win, but we just weren't clicking, and they gave us a lot of problems.

I take my hats off to that Giant team, though. They came to play and executed well all game. The story of the game, as the media is portraying it, is all the "missed opportunities" or "self-inflicted wounds" that they had, but that is all a load of bu!!sh^t. For every time they hurt themselves or missed a play, I can point to something that we did that was just as bad. Eli threw 2 picks today, but they ended up being dropped.

Anyhow, they played extremely well, but the difference in the game is that we ended up with the ball last. Sometimes that's just how it goes.

[Jughead10]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.

[LSUALUM99]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.

First, the ball didn't even hit Wilson's hands. He jumped the route but didn't quite make it. So although it was a good play on Wilson's part, it wasn't like it bounced off his hands.

Second, Aaron Glenn dropped an Eli pass in the endzone. That could have been six or at least remove points from the board.

[dpl85]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.
That's a bunch of BS. If it was really a bad pass or decision it would have been intercepted or at least deflected, i'm not sure Wilson even touched the ball. It was a great play as it resulted in a first down at a critical point of the game, and that's the bottom line. Eli would have thrown two picks too if our D could actually catch the ball.

[Jughead10]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.
That's a bunch of BS. If it was really a bad pass or decision it would have been intercepted or at least deflected, i'm not sure Wilson even touched the ball. It was a great play as it resulted in a first down at a critical point of the game, and that's the bottom line. Eli would have thrown two picks too if our D could actually catch the ball.

I agree. I was just pointing out that was the play Sweetness was talking about. Everyone has dropped INTs otherwise all the DBs would be WRs. And go back and watch the game by the way. The ball deflected off Wilson's fingers as it went right between his two hands. He did get his hand on it. I'm not sure if it was a great play. It was a lucky play but Eli got those too.

[dpl85]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.
That's a bunch of BS. If it was really a bad pass or decision it would have been intercepted or at least deflected, i'm not sure Wilson even touched the ball. It was a great play as it resulted in a first down at a critical point of the game, and that's the bottom line. Eli would have thrown two picks too if our D could actually catch the ball.

I agree. I was just pointing out that was the play Sweetness was talking about. Everyone has dropped INTs otherwise all the DBs would be WRs. And go back and watch the game by the way. The ball deflected off Wilson's fingers as it went right between his two hands. He did get his hand on it. I'm not sure if it was a great play. It was a lucky play but Eli got those too.
I don't believe in luck, you make your own luck. A wise man once said luck is what happens when preparation meets execution. :wink:

[Jughead10]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.
That's a bunch of BS. If it was really a bad pass or decision it would have been intercepted or at least deflected, i'm not sure Wilson even touched the ball. It was a great play as it resulted in a first down at a critical point of the game, and that's the bottom line. Eli would have thrown two picks too if our D could actually catch the ball.

I agree. I was just pointing out that was the play Sweetness was talking about. Everyone has dropped INTs otherwise all the DBs would be WRs. And go back and watch the game by the way. The ball deflected off Wilson's fingers as it went right between his two hands. He did get his hand on it. I'm not sure if it was a great play. It was a lucky play but Eli got those too.
I don't believe in luck, you make your own luck. A wise man once said luck is what happens when preparation meets execution. :wink:

That is dumb. Romo doesn't prepare for Wilson to let an INT goes through his hands. It wasn't a great or smart throw, but it worked. That is lucky. Just like it was lucky when Glenn dropped Eli's throw.

[dpl85]

[quote:7951c94578="CTCowboysFan"]Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.
That's a bunch of BS. If it was really a bad pass or decision it would have been intercepted or at least deflected, i'm not sure Wilson even touched the ball. It was a great play as it resulted in a first down at a critical point of the game, and that's the bottom line. Eli would have thrown two picks too if our D could actually catch the ball.

I agree. I was just pointing out that was the play Sweetness was talking about. Everyone has dropped INTs otherwise all the DBs would be WRs. And go back and watch the game by the way. The ball deflected off Wilson's fingers as it went right between his two hands. He did get his hand on it. I'm not sure if it was a great play. It was a lucky play but Eli got those too.
I don't believe in luck, you make your own luck. A wise man once said luck is what happens when preparation meets execution. :wink:

That is dumb. Romo doesn't prepare for Wilson to let an INT goes through his hands. It wasn't a great or smart throw, but it worked. That is lucky. Just like it was lucky when Glenn dropped Eli's throw.[/quote:7951c94578]
No, lucky is when you win the lottery and never have to work again. That was a great play and pass. Romo said he saw Wilson at the last moment and threw it a little farther to the right side. Bottom lines is if yall had won I wouldn't be saying yall got lucky, I'd say we choked.

[dpl85]

Enough about that BS, that's a philosophical debate that's neither here nor there.

I think that game was the first where we really missed Greg Ellis' presence. Carpenter and Singleton didn't play very well at all and missed tackles and didn't get off blocks soon enough. I think we need to blitz a lot more than we are as D-Ware alone can't really get it done as he's gonna be double teamed constantly now that teams don't have to worry about Ellis. We're putting too much pressure on our secondary especially the safeties by not blitzing and not getting any consistent pressure on the QB. I think Parcells didn't blitz as much because he didn't really respect Eli's ability to hurt us but that was a mistake, we should have blitzed Eli just as much as Peyton.

[leroyisgod]

Enough about that BS, that's a philosophical debate that's neither here nor there.

I think that game was the first where we really missed Greg Ellis' presence. Carpenter and Singleton didn't play very well at all and missed tackles and didn't get off blocks soon enough. I think we need to blitz a lot more than we are as D-Ware alone can't really get it done as he's gonna be double teamed constantly now that teams don't have to worry about Ellis. We're putting too much pressure on our secondary especially the safeties by not blitzing and not getting any consistent pressure on the QB. I think Parcells didn't blitz as much because he didn't really respect Eli's ability to hurt us but that was a mistake, we should have blitzed Eli just as much as Peyton.

The problem with our 3-4 defense is that we don't have good blitzing ILB's. Take a look at the Steelers, Foote and Farrior are effective at blitzing from the middle.

[bigbluedefense]

Usually I post the Giants persepective and Dallas persepctive in different threads, but I'll join them this time, this is a long write up, so it will follow this post.

[dpl85]

Enough about that BS, that's a philosophical debate that's neither here nor there.

I think that game was the first where we really missed Greg Ellis' presence. Carpenter and Singleton didn't play very well at all and missed tackles and didn't get off blocks soon enough. I think we need to blitz a lot more than we are as D-Ware alone can't really get it done as he's gonna be double teamed constantly now that teams don't have to worry about Ellis. We're putting too much pressure on our secondary especially the safeties by not blitzing and not getting any consistent pressure on the QB. I think Parcells didn't blitz as much because he didn't really respect Eli's ability to hurt us but that was a mistake, we should have blitzed Eli just as much as Peyton.

The problem with our 3-4 defense is that we don't have good blitzing ILB's. Take a look at the Steelers, Foote and Farrior are effective at blitzing from the middle.
That's a good point but we don't seem to blitz our ILBs hardly at all maybe it's because there not very good blitzers but I'd still like to see us try it more. I think Ayodele can be a pretty good blitzer, he was a DE in college right?

[leroyisgod]

Enough about that BS, that's a philosophical debate that's neither here nor there.

I think that game was the first where we really missed Greg Ellis' presence. Carpenter and Singleton didn't play very well at all and missed tackles and didn't get off blocks soon enough. I think we need to blitz a lot more than we are as D-Ware alone can't really get it done as he's gonna be double teamed constantly now that teams don't have to worry about Ellis. We're putting too much pressure on our secondary especially the safeties by not blitzing and not getting any consistent pressure on the QB. I think Parcells didn't blitz as much because he didn't really respect Eli's ability to hurt us but that was a mistake, we should have blitzed Eli just as much as Peyton.

The problem with our 3-4 defense is that we don't have good blitzing ILB's. Take a look at the Steelers, Foote and Farrior are effective at blitzing from the middle.
That's a good point but we don't seem to blitz our ILBs hardly at all maybe it's because there not very good blitzers but I'd still like to see us try it more. I think Ayodele can be a pretty good blitzer, he was a DE in college right?

He was, but keep in mind blitzing and pass rushing from a DE position are different. I think we just need to commit to blitzing more often.

[bigbluedefense]

First off, that was a great game. I think the score was indicative of the game, Dallas just outplayed us and beat us 23-20. We had some stupid stupid penalties in the redzone that hurt us, but that seems to be a recurring theme with this team under Coughlin, so I don't know how much you can complain about that.

One thing that I noticed that is annoying me, is that both Cowboys and Giants fans on this board sometimes seem to have selective memory when evaluating the game. Come on, take it for what it was, stop being so damn partial.

I'll evaluate it in my usuall bulletin format. This post will be posted both in the Giants and Dallas team discussion.

- MBIII> Julius Jones. That might anger some, but he just is. JJ doesn't have much power, he's like Tiki Barber Lite, whereas MBIII can finish with power and run up the gut. He's also better in pass protection and great on screens and catching the ball. Also more reliable hands. He's not as explosive as JJ, but he runs for better average and in that system, he's a better player.

- I noticed a weakness with Dallas's pass coverage. The intermediate route. Dallas has a great secondary so the vertical ball is not easily accessible. They have good OLBs who can cover the flats so the flats aren't always accessible. But their ILBs and SOLBs are not great in coverage, and the intermediate route is open because of it. Either attack the LB zone or isolate one of their LBs and hit them up. Thats a weakness in their pass coverage. Dallas's LB core is built to stop the run, and because of that, they lack some speed against the pass. If you can harnish the intermediate route, you can attack this defense in the pass game. Theyre very stoute against the run though.

- Romo is slippery. You have to be clever in how you rush him. I think you have to blitz him from one side, and play containment on the opposite side. If you overload him on one side, he simply rolls out the other side and delivers the ball. If you send 5, he jukes the blitzer and hits his WR. So you gotta send 5 with containment on the opposite side of the blitz, or 6 with one blitzer coming from both sides. Pressure does effect him, so the key to getting at Romo is hurryiing him. I also noticed that he still needs to work on reading the defense. He hits his hot reads well, but he has trouble reading zone blitzes. He threw into our zone blitz every time...he's lucky only one of them winded up as an INT, and then even luckier that Kiwi fumbled it afterwards. Great qb who still needs some time to develop. He has great weapons around him, and a great gameplan that simplifies his duties, but I expect him to hit the tape next year and improve the mental aspect of the game. You don't notice it now because he's winning, but trust me, he's bound to have a bad day, and then you'll notice it.

- DeMarcus Ware's pass rushing has been disappointing. This might anger some guys, but let's face it, he's being outperformed by Merriman this year. I hate to beat a dead horse, but Merriman is easily the better pass rusher right now. Ware had no sacks, and no excuses for having no sacks. He had Whitfield with no help most of the game, and didn't do squat. Now of course his coverage and run stuffing were great, but let's face it, you got him to rush the passer. And he's been below average at doing it. He simply does not set up the blocker. He has 2 moves, the outside edge rush, and the bullrush. Thats it. He's so predictable, the linemen knows whats coming. And he doesn't have the motor that Merriman has. Is Merriman better than him right now? Id say a conclusive yes at the moment, with Ware having potential to be better later. But right now, the only resounding edge Ware has over Merriman is coverage, but who cares, you drafted him to rush, not cover. Merriman is near equal in run stuffing, and light years ahead in pass rushing. He has 10.5 sacks in 8 games this season. To me, he looks like he has potential to be the best OLB since Derrick Thomas. If he continues at this pace, he'll be the best OLB since Lawrence Taylor. Ware simply does not have those qualities right now, and while youre winning, you have to be somewhat disappointed in him in that regard.

- Shockey always has good games against Dallas. I think it goes back to your vulnerability against the intermediate route coupled with the fact that you have no safety who can cover the TE. Roy gets owned by him, he's simply not a coverage guy, so Dallas needs Carp to step it up and take his game to the next level. The Dallas D is vulnerable to the TE right now.

- For the Giants, playcalling on defense coupled with horrible safeties did us in. Let's face it Giants fans, our safeties are not good at all. They stink. Demps has done a terrible job this year wrapping up, and Wilson has been a complete disappointment. He hasn't done anything. His SS blitzes stink, he can't catch, he can't cover, he's not durable enough to play in the box all year round...we should not resign him. Ballhawk FS has jumped up to #1 on my board needs officially.

- Going back to defensive playcalling, it was atrocious. Ok, once in the 1st quarter, you guys came out in a 2 TE set on 3rd and 3, we came out in nickel 335! WTF? That was boneheaded as hell, naturally, MBIII runs up the gut for 15 yards. Another time, our 3rd down playcall was so blatantly dumb, that even Aikman commented on how easy it was for Owens to just run at the marker and turn around for the 1st. Tim Lewis simply put, is a moron, and shouldve been fired a long time ago. His playcalling in this game was mindboggling dumb.

- Having that said, its not just the playcalling, our safeties just stink as well. Tim Lewis's scheme asks alot out of its safeties in pass coverage, and we might have the worst pass coverage safety duo in the league. So couple dumb strategy with poor players, and thats what you get.

- Another testament to TL's stupidity. Why are we putting Pierce in Man Coverage with a TE? He's our run stuffing MIKE, he's supposed to drop in a middle zone in pass coverage, our SAM is supposed to cover those TEs, or if its the Hback, have a Safety cover him. Why is Pierce doing it? That was very dumb. If anyone should be man up in our defense against a TE, it should be one of our safeties, Short or Emmons. No one else.

- Offensively, I had almost no issues with playcalling. TC has done something this game that he hasn't done all year long....he adjusted his playbook. Ive always said that most of our woes was attributed to that horrible playbook. This week he gave Eli intermediate routes and checkdowns, and look at the results. Eli played a great game, he did not lose us this game. He did everything he could. In his 2 games against Dallas, he outplayed his brother Peyton against Dallas's defense. Anyone who thinks this kid is going to be a bust just doesn't have a good eye for talent. I think if we can stick with a normal playbook like we had this week, Eli will be consistant. And for those who thinks he just stares down Burress and lobs it up to him all day, put in tape of this game. He dished it out to everyone, and his numbers this year are indicative of that as well. And for the "supposed to have 2 INTS", please. If thats the case, then Romo shouldve had 4. So let's stop having selective memory. And one of the 2 supposed INTs was on the money had Barber not slipped and fell.

- The problem I had with offensive playcalling was the redzone playcalling. We get it on the 5 TWICE, and we don't give it to Jacobs at all. That was dumb. We give it to Jacobs, we win this game.

- I don't have a problem with the 4th and 1 call. Jacobs didn't get it, but that was a long field goal, and we needed a spark. Not mad at it. What I am mad about was the play. Its 4th and 1, and you call an offtackle run on Whitfield's side AT Demarcus Ware? That was stupid.

- The key to this game was our inabiity to captilize in the redzone. We either took ourselves out of it with penalites, or just didn't punch it in for TDs. That and our defense didn't play well.

- Osi was clearly not close to 100% for this game. He was more like 50%, its clear that he rushed back, but he had to. A 50% Osi is better than a 200% William Joseph.

- Kiwi is gonna be a special player in years to come. He lacks the strength to dominate this year, but in the offseason after getting thicker and stronger, he's gonna be GOOD. At this point in his development, he's better than Osi was. We're gonna have one heck of a pass rush for years to come.

- Madison is huge for us. He allows us to play more man coverage which is necessary for us. Our defense is built to be a man coverage defense, but we play mostly zone because...well...Tim Lewis, thats why.

Ultimately, this was a very close and exciting game with both teams playing great offense. Dallas slightly outperformed us, and they showed it in the scoreboard. I think if the Giants can make the playoffs, these 2 teams could possibly meet again. But thats a big if. Part of me wants to see us tank the season so we can replace the coaching staff, but the other part of me feels that if we can make it to the postseason healthy, we have just as good of a shot as anyone in this super weak NFC. We'll see how it goes from here on out.

Congrats on the win Dallas. To me, you and the Saints are the 2 best in the NFC.

[dpl85]

BBD, I'm not going to run around in circles again with this but if you have the time or motivation you should go to dallascowboys.com and check out the archived Parcells press conferences. Parcells recently talked extensively about Ware. The gist of it was that all of us fans and the media are looking for a big pressure catalytic pass rusher while he's looking for a complete LB that can also rush the passer effectively when called upon.

[bigbluedefense]

BBD, I'm not going to run around in circles again with this but if you have the time or motivation you should go to dallascowboys.com and check out the archived Parcells press conferences. Parcells recently talked extensively about Ware. The gist of it was that all of us fans and the media are looking for a big pressure catalytic pass rusher while he's looking for a complete LB that can also rush the passer effectively when called upon.

I understand that, and I know that the responsibilities of the 2 are somewhat different, but you have to admit, DWare's pass rushing has been disappointing. He had Whitfield on him all day, and didn't do anything.

Granted, Eli did a great job evading pressure, but still, this is the same Bob Whitfield that was thoroughly embarrassed by Brown and Spicer 2 weeks in a row. He shouldve done more.

My biggest knock on his pass rushing is his lack of moves, and his motor. He just doesn't have that fire you look for in a pass rusher. But you don't need fire to succeed, but you definately need moves. Pass rushing is a chess match, you can't just try to outmuscle/speed the other guy every play. You gotta set them up. Pick your spots. Play with their mind, have them guessing. Right now Ware is a 2 trick poney. He needs to improve his moves.

[dpl85]

BBD, I'm not going to run around in circles again with this but if you have the time or motivation you should go to dallascowboys.com and check out the archived Parcells press conferences. Parcells recently talked extensively about Ware. The gist of it was that all of us fans and the media are looking for a big pressure catalytic pass rusher while he's looking for a complete LB that can also rush the passer effectively when called upon.

I understand that, and I know that the responsibilities of the 2 are somewhat different, but you have to admit, DWare's pass rushing has been disappointing. He had Whitfield on him all day, and didn't do anything.

Granted, Eli did a great job evading pressure, but still, this is the same Bob Whitfield that was thoroughly embarrassed by Brown and Spicer 2 weeks in a row. He shouldve done more.

My biggest knock on his pass rushing is his lack of moves, and his motor. He just doesn't have that fire you look for in a pass rusher. But you don't need fire to succeed, but you definately need moves. Pass rushing is a chess match, you can't just try to outmuscle/speed the other guy every play. You gotta set them up. Pick your spots. Play with their mind, have them guessing. Right now Ware is a 2 trick poney. He needs to improve his moves.
I wasn't paying that much attention to it but weren't yall giving Whitfield help at least 40 or 50% of the time? If not then I agree with you in that that was a dissapointing performance at least in terms of pass rushing. However, I think you are underestimating the effect that the loss of Greg Ellis has had on our entire D and Ware in particular. Before teams had to account for both Ware and Ellis and couldn't really give their OTs too much help for fear of giving either Ware or Ellis a one on one matchup. With Ellis gone Ware is our only good pressure player and teams can afford to double him on practically every play because Carpenter or Singleton won't make them pay from the other side. I don't want to even hear about Merriman because as far as I'm concerned he's a cheater until proven otherwise and also they play vastly different roles on their defenses. From what I can tell Merriman blitzes a hell of a lot more often than we blitz Ware. That's a philosophical difference in our defense, we're more conservative.

[bigbluedefense]

BBD, I'm not going to run around in circles again with this but if you have the time or motivation you should go to dallascowboys.com and check out the archived Parcells press conferences. Parcells recently talked extensively about Ware. The gist of it was that all of us fans and the media are looking for a big pressure catalytic pass rusher while he's looking for a complete LB that can also rush the passer effectively when called upon.

I understand that, and I know that the responsibilities of the 2 are somewhat different, but you have to admit, DWare's pass rushing has been disappointing. He had Whitfield on him all day, and didn't do anything.

Granted, Eli did a great job evading pressure, but still, this is the same Bob Whitfield that was thoroughly embarrassed by Brown and Spicer 2 weeks in a row. He shouldve done more.

My biggest knock on his pass rushing is his lack of moves, and his motor. He just doesn't have that fire you look for in a pass rusher. But you don't need fire to succeed, but you definately need moves. Pass rushing is a chess match, you can't just try to outmuscle/speed the other guy every play. You gotta set them up. Pick your spots. Play with their mind, have them guessing. Right now Ware is a 2 trick poney. He needs to improve his moves.
I wasn't paying that much attention to it but weren't yall giving Whitfield help at least 40 or 50% of the time? If not then I agree with you in that that was a dissapointing performance at least in terms of pass rushing. However, I think you are underestimating the effect that the loss of Greg Ellis has had on our entire D and Ware in particular. Before teams had to account for both Ware and Ellis and couldn't really give their OTs too much help for fear of giving either Ware or Ellis a one on one matchup. With Ellis gone Ware is our only good pressure player and teams can afford to double him on practically every play because Carpenter or Singleton won't make them pay from the other side. I don't want to even hear about Merriman because as far as I'm concerned he's a cheater until proven otherwise and also they play vastly different roles on their defenses. From what I can tell Merriman blitzes a hell of a lot more often than we blitz Ware. That's a philosophical difference in our defense, we're more conservative.

It was more like 30% from what I noticed. Whitfield pretty much took him one by himself most of the time. This has been a critique of mine for the Giants the past 3 weeks because we tend to leave him to fend for himself. Lucky for us, he did a great job against Ware.

Im starting to think that Ware would be better suited to be a SAM rushbacker. He has the coverage skills, and he's a great run stuffer.

Right now, I haven't seen the pass rushing skills that you would like to see out of a weakside rushbacker. Its primarily because of his lack of pass rush moves really, I just don't understand why he does not mix it up more.

[dpl85]

BBD, I'm not going to run around in circles again with this but if you have the time or motivation you should go to dallascowboys.com and check out the archived Parcells press conferences. Parcells recently talked extensively about Ware. The gist of it was that all of us fans and the media are looking for a big pressure catalytic pass rusher while he's looking for a complete LB that can also rush the passer effectively when called upon.

I understand that, and I know that the responsibilities of the 2 are somewhat different, but you have to admit, DWare's pass rushing has been disappointing. He had Whitfield on him all day, and didn't do anything.

Granted, Eli did a great job evading pressure, but still, this is the same Bob Whitfield that was thoroughly embarrassed by Brown and Spicer 2 weeks in a row. He shouldve done more.

My biggest knock on his pass rushing is his lack of moves, and his motor. He just doesn't have that fire you look for in a pass rusher. But you don't need fire to succeed, but you definately need moves. Pass rushing is a chess match, you can't just try to outmuscle/speed the other guy every play. You gotta set them up. Pick your spots. Play with their mind, have them guessing. Right now Ware is a 2 trick poney. He needs to improve his moves.
I wasn't paying that much attention to it but weren't yall giving Whitfield help at least 40 or 50% of the time? If not then I agree with you in that that was a dissapointing performance at least in terms of pass rushing. However, I think you are underestimating the effect that the loss of Greg Ellis has had on our entire D and Ware in particular. Before teams had to account for both Ware and Ellis and couldn't really give their OTs too much help for fear of giving either Ware or Ellis a one on one matchup. With Ellis gone Ware is our only good pressure player and teams can afford to double him on practically every play because Carpenter or Singleton won't make them pay from the other side. I don't want to even hear about Merriman because as far as I'm concerned he's a cheater until proven otherwise and also they play vastly different roles on their defenses. From what I can tell Merriman blitzes a hell of a lot more often than we blitz Ware. That's a philosophical difference in our defense, we're more conservative.

It was more like 30% from what I noticed. Whitfield pretty much took him one by himself most of the time. This has been a critique of mine for the Giants the past 3 weeks because we tend to leave him to fend for himself. Lucky for us, he did a great job against Ware.

Im starting to think that Ware would be better suited to be a SAM rushbacker. He has the coverage skills, and he's a great run stuffer.

Right now, I haven't seen the pass rushing skills that you would like to see out of a weakside rushbacker. Its primarily because of his lack of pass rush moves really, I just don't understand why he does not mix it up more.
I wouldn't really disagree with that but you have to remember and consider that this is only Ware's second year in the L and second year in the transformation from small school DE to NFL 3-4 OLB. Parcells has said before it takes 3 years to really make that transition successfully. We can't move Ware to the strong side until we have someone to replace him on the weak side effectively and we don't have that player on our roster currently.

[Poet3334]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.

But is wasn't. You can't talk about things that weren't. They didn't happen. It's not a bone-headed play if it worked.

[Poet3334]

Ware played well last night. While he didn't provide the pressure I would have liked (he was chipped quite often by the way) his all around game is outstanding. I don't have any complaints. I would rather he be outstanding in coverage and the run game first. He can and will develop more moves to rush the passer. I don't doubt that at all. The Merriman debate is tired and pointless. Let it go. Good post BBD.

[Jughead10]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.

But is wasn't. You can't talk about things that weren't. They didn't happen. It's not a bone-headed play if it worked.

Please. It wasn't a good/smart throw. It was a bad throw that he got lucky on. I know everyone is on the Romo wagon but it wasn't a good throw just like Eli's throw wasn't good that Glenn almost picked off.

[bigbluedefense]

Yeah, I don't want my evaluation to be misinterpreted as a Ware/Merriman debate, that was just one bulletin on the list.

I just got off the phone with my buddy Sal. Sal is a diehard Giants fan, and he is planning on being a football analyst after his internship. He just watched the bomb pass to Witten again with a minute left and called me up to let me know what exactly transpired.

I didn't notice it immediately, and I fault myself for that, but this play right here is indicative of what we've been having to deal with over in Giants land.

Ok, Dallas came out in an empty set, and the Giants came out in a 3 downlinemen front. All indications were his typical prevent zone he likes doing. When I first saw the play, I thought it was just that, but it wasn't.

Against a 5 WR set, Tim Lewis drew up Cover 2!!!! It might not sound absurd superficially, but anyone who's played this game before knows that Cover 2 against a 5 WR set is suicide. You have 2 safeties defending 5 WRs deep. That is beyond dumb. If you send 3 deep, one is wide open.

And in fact, if you look at the replay, you'll see that not only was Witten open, but he had TO open for a TD as well. Basically because we had 2 safeties playing deep, and everyone else underneath. Pierce played a deep middle zone and tried to recover, but he had no chance. That play was a recipe for disaster.

Sigh...yup, Tim Lewis strikes again.

[Jughead10]

Then Demps is even a bigger idiot if that play was Cover 2. Because he cheated up and let Witten get behind him as well.

[Poet3334]

Yeah I think the Saints/Cowboys matchup will be a higher scoring game. If we can shut down Brees/Bush it's over.
Don't overlook Mcalister though he has gotten a few teams because of that this year.

If Colston plays you better not over look him either, or Horn.

I don't think Dallas will overlook anyone.

Btw the way you guys are talking on here, I think they might. We've overlooked a couple teams this season (Arizona and Miami to be exact).

It is a prime time game though which will be a little different but I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans win this game. Romo made some great plays today but he also made some bone head ones, one in which that almost went for a pick 6. Should be a great game.

What bone-headed plays?

I think he is referring to the ball Romo threw right at Wilson that went right between his hands. That easily could have been 6 points like he said.

But is wasn't. You can't talk about things that weren't. They didn't happen. It's not a bone-headed play if it worked.

Please. It wasn't a good/smart throw. It was a bad throw that he got lucky on. I know everyone is on the Romo wagon but it wasn't a good throw just like Eli's throw wasn't good that Glenn almost picked off.

So what? I didn't say it was a good throw did I? No. Did it harm the Cowboys in the game? No. End of story

[Poet3334]

Yeah, I don't want my evaluation to be misinterpreted as a Ware/Merriman debate, that was just one bulletin on the list.

I just got off the phone with my buddy Sal. Sal is a diehard Giants fan, and he is planning on being a football analyst after his internship. He just watched the bomb pass to Witten again with a minute left and called me up to let me know what exactly transpired.

I didn't notice it immediately, and I fault myself for that, but this play right here is indicative of what we've been having to deal with over in Giants land.

Ok, Dallas came out in an empty set, and the Giants came out in a 3 downlinemen front. All indications were his typical prevent zone he likes doing. When I first saw the play, I thought it was just that, but it wasn't.

Against a 5 WR set, Tim Lewis drew up Cover 2!!!! It might not sound absurd superficially, but anyone who's played this game before knows that Cover 2 against a 5 WR set is suicide. You have 2 safeties defending 5 WRs deep. That is beyond dumb. If you send 3 deep, one is wide open.

And in fact, if you look at the replay, you'll see that not only was Witten open, but he had TO open for a TD as well. Basically because we had 2 safeties playing deep, and everyone else underneath. Pierce played a deep middle zone and tried to recover, but he had no chance. That play was a recipe for disaster.

Sigh...yup, Tim Lewis strikes again.


You're right, TO was open.

[FinChase]

Hey, while we're rehashing the game I think Hatcher deserves some props. When he got head-butted by McKenzie (I think), he was smart enough to put up his hands and not retaliate so that he didn't draw an offsetting foul. That was a heads up move by a rookie.