Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[M.O.T.H.]

I dont think our offensive woes are over yet, honestly. We were lucky enough to see single coverage yesterday. The real test comes when teams start to roll coverages and start to double up Austin again. Because, the two to three weeks we've seen that, we were horrible.

Prior to the Giants game yesterday, I was actually expecting to lose this game in NY but, I'm a little more optimistic after seeing the Giants play yesterday. But if they decide to stick with the blue print that has shut us down...it could be another rough one. One that resembles some of those December games of the last few years.

[M.O.T.H.]

Just a random thought....Felix is averaging 6.9 yards per carry...8.9 last year. What does he have to do to get more carries? ughhhhhh. He's only seen double digit carries once in his career and that was 10 whole carries.

I honestly wouldnt expect his yards per carry average to drop that much at all with a heftier work load. If he had enough to qualify, I think he'd be right up there around Chris Johnson when it comes to yards per carry. Speculating of course but, Felix is a really special back. I understand he's been injured but, he's healthy now...get him the damn ball.

[Tha Wootster]

That TD run from Felix yesterday was beautiful.

[herniateddisc]

I dont think our offensive woes are over yet, honestly. We were lucky enough to see single coverage yesterday. The real test comes when teams start to roll coverages and start to double up Austin again. Because, the two to three weeks we've seen that, we were horrible.

Prior to the Giants game yesterday, I was actually expecting to lose this game in NY but, I'm a little more optimistic after seeing the Giants play yesterday. But if they decide to stick with the blue print that has shut us down...it could be another rough one. One that resembles some of those December games of the last few years.

You can double Austin all day but if you run short routes for him, it won't matter. He is a RAC machine. Yesterday is the first time JG actually made an effort to get him the ball on simple routes and use his RAC skillz to make plays.

Now if all you do is run him +20 yards one very route then the double wil effect him.

Just send Roy 30 yards downfield every play and let him threaten the Safety help.

[M.O.T.H.]

You can double Austin all day but if you run short routes for him, it won't matter. He is a RAC machine. Yesterday is the first time JG actually made an effort to get him the ball on simple routes and use his RAC skillz to make plays.

Now if all you do is run him +20 yards one very route then the double wil effect him.

Just send Roy 30 yards downfield every play and let him threaten the Safety help.

Yesterday was easy...they single covered him all day. And tried a little bump and run. That wasnt going to work. This next week will be a whole other animal. It remains to be seen if Austin can be productive when he sees this much focus. So far, he's struggled with it and it has hurt our offense. This is what happens when you explode onto the seen. Defenses over analyze, expose your weaknesses and attack. Thus leading to some rough games for that player in the process. This week he is bound to see the rolled coverages again...it will be a great test and it may be difficult.

[herniateddisc]

,,,,,So far, he's struggled with it and it has hurt our offense. .....

This where I disagree.

To me the failure is the OC and their three game obsession with Roy Williams.

He complained and they rerouted the hot reads to Roy and it failed.

Just get Austin the ball early and often and stop dickering with the I throw it to who is "open" nonsense.

Until they start lining up the Safety on top of Austin, I don't want to hear it.

80% of the time open is subjective. Just push it through CREATIVELY.

[herniateddisc]

Props to Jerry

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4693440

[E-Man]

Just a random thought....Felix is averaging 6.9 yards per carry...8.9 last year. What does he have to do to get more carries? ughhhhhh. He's only seen double digit carries once in his career and that was 10 whole carries.

I honestly wouldnt expect his yards per carry average to drop that much at all with a heftier work load. If he had enough to qualify, I think he'd be right up there around Chris Johnson when it comes to yards per carry. Speculating of course but, Felix is a really special back. I understand he's been injured but, he's healthy now...get him the damn ball.


Ya know, I think the same thing myself. It's nice that his yards per carry is so high, but really it just shows that he doesn't run that often in addition to being such a huge gainer. The guy needs to get at least 10 carries a game, because he's just too damn good not to. I am a big Chris Johnson fan, and I wonder if their roles would be reversed if he was picked instead of Felix. We'd be bashing Garrett for not running CJ enough, and we'd only catch glimpses of how great he could be like we're seeing with Felix. Damn Garrett. Damn him to hell! *shakes fist*

[herniateddisc]

OK, I think this season ends differently than the last two for TWO reasons ....

1) I truly think Keith Brooking brings something to the D which sadly lacked. Toughness and brains which was lacking all to often in years past. Credit Wade and Jerrah for this. Probably the SINGLE BIGGEST MOVE this season.

2) I think, based on what I saw this past week and the previous, Jason finally got through his head (and Wade) that for this O to go-go they need to get the ball to their play-makers first and foremost. Austin, Witten and Felix. The other guys are simply decoration. I think this SIMPLICITY makes Romo's job easier and he will have less turnovers in spite of the coming weather and self inflicted pressure.

I predict 4-1 barring injuries with a close L game in New Orleans.

[pocketaces]

What do you guys think of our wildcat? I know we had a long run and a td out of the formation but it seems to me that its just a direct snap to the rb. Where is the misdirection? shouldnt Felix be coming in motion and atleast giving the D something to think about? Isnt there a read so Felix should get the ball atleast part of the time? Also shouldnt there be a threat of the pass? Isnt that what makes Miami's version so hard to defend? Just asking but I think Choice is going to start getting shut down pretty soon if we dont add the rest.

[LonghornsLegend]

Just a random thought....Felix is averaging 6.9 yards per carry...8.9 last year. What does he have to do to get more carries? ughhhhhh. He's only seen double digit carries once in his career and that was 10 whole carries.

I honestly wouldnt expect his yards per carry average to drop that much at all with a heftier work load. If he had enough to qualify, I think he'd be right up there around Chris Johnson when it comes to yards per carry. Speculating of course but, Felix is a really special back. I understand he's been injured but, he's healthy now...get him the damn ball.


Prove that he can stay healthy for one. The one game we were going to give him a very healthy load that he started for us and he got hurt. I don't think he's earned the right to try and give him 18 carries/touches yet, let's gradually increase it, but when we tried to give him a healthy load he couldn't finish the game.


Right now I'm just happy to have him as a weapon when last year at this point we didn't have him, I think he'll start to get the ball more each week if he can stay healthy.

[D-Unit]

What do you guys think of our wildcat? I know we had a long run and a td out of the formation but it seems to me that its just a direct snap to the rb. Where is the misdirection? shouldnt Felix be coming in motion and atleast giving the D something to think about? Isnt there a read so Felix should get the ball atleast part of the time? Also shouldnt there be a threat of the pass? Isnt that what makes Miami's version so hard to defend? Just asking but I think Choice is going to start getting shut down pretty soon if we dont add the rest.
I think we've resorted to it so much without variance that it's becoming more and more predictable. Soon it will be ineffective.

Did anyone see that wildcat formation that Charlie Weis ran today against Stanford? That was a thing of beauty.

[LonghornsLegend]

I think we've resorted to it so much without variance that it's becoming more and more predictable. Soon it will be ineffective.

Did anyone see that wildcat formation that Charlie Weis ran today against Stanford? That was a thing of beauty.

I think we have more variations, we just aren't showing all our cards yet. Felix has went into motion on that play a few times, I think we just want to have a few new wrinkles for late in the season. At least that's my hope, but I don't want to put too much faith in Garrett :( Still, it's called the Razorback partly because of Felix, so I find it hard to believe the only play we have is the one where Choice runs the ball right up the middle, no point in putting in a new formation for just one play.


Still though, it's very effective because it lets our O-line do what their the best at, Gurode and Davis just man handle people in front of them when they can just fire off the ball like that. If we save a few of the variations of it for the playoffs it would be pretty sweet, then again I can just see those blowing up in our face if we don't have much practice at it.

[M.O.T.H.]

Prove that he can stay healthy for one. The one game we were going to give him a very healthy load that he started for us and he got hurt. I don't think he's earned the right to try and give him 18 carries/touches yet, let's gradually increase it, but when we tried to give him a healthy load he couldn't finish the game.


Right now I'm just happy to have him as a weapon when last year at this point we didn't have him, I think he'll start to get the ball more each week if he can stay healthy.

I disagree to a point...because, even when he's been 100% and runs for like 80 or so yards in the first half, he still doesnt get the ball. You have to have confidence in your players. And if Felix is having one of those monster games...like we saw against the Giants earlier in the year, where injuries shouldnt have been on anyone's mind, you have to get him the ball. That game was infuriating...Felix was averaging 14 yards per carry in the 2nd game of the year and Garrett wouldnt give him the ball.

I honestly dont think it would matter. If Felix never got injured, I still see it playing out like this. Same goes if we drafted CJ instead. Garrett just doesn't know how to use them. I remember an interview a while back where he said when Barber is running well, he sometimes forgets about the other backs. Genius. Garrett has shown time and time again, that he isnt the right man for this job.

[Paul]

So close to being a perfect week. Redskins couldn't do us a solid this one time.

[LizardState]

What do you guys think of our wildcat? I know we had a long run and a td out of the formation but it seems to me that its just a direct snap to the rb. Where is the misdirection?

Dallas doesnt do misdirection much, maybe a reverse every 5th game or a dbl-reverse once a yr. Cowboys RBs seem to be pretty good at finding their own cutback lanes though, I think Dallas prefers the quick-hitting plays for best use of their huge & usually dominant o-line. They will screen & draw forever though.

D thinks the wildcat is run too much, but given Dallas' past I'm surprised they went with it at all. Direct snap to the RB gives him the chance to run to the available hole, but that doesn't work as often as it should on paper. Like he said, they're waiting for it, the RB with a direct snap keeps it like 75% of the time in the wildcat & that's its weakness. I've said it before but it's true, wildcat is all fluff & little stuff at the pro level, the LBs are too smart & too good.

[Modano]

Hey guys, I'm going off-topic but I was just sent a google wave invitation. So if you got a wave account PM me! I also have one invitation left so I can give it to one of you.

Back on topic... wow the Redskins just fell short, they could have done us a great favor. Now let's hope we can build some momentum in December with all those difficult matchups we have in front of us...

[Macarthur]

I think all the talk about JG and the offense is misguided.

I have said all along that this team will go only as far as the defense takes it.

Bloggingtheboys.com has a nice article on how Romo has gotten the blame for much of the December fades, but the reality is that while Romo has had a few stinkers, the defensive meltdowns have been a much bigger factor.

The defense this year feels much more sound. They are healthy and really appear to have a swagger.

[leroyisgod]

Props to Jerry

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4693440

Shouldn't this be a speech coming from Wade and not the owner?

[D-Unit]

Shouldn't this be a speech coming from Wade and not the owner?
Just because it wasn't publicized doesn't mean he didn't say it or hasn't been saying it. Anything Jerry does gets headlines, so I wouldn't take in anything negative about this.

[leroyisgod]

Just because it wasn't publicized doesn't mean he didn't say it or hasn't been saying it. Anything Jerry does gets headlines, so I wouldn't take in anything negative about this.

I don't see it as negative. I like the fact that JJ came in and talked to the team like this. I personally feel as if the December lapse last year was a mental issue. And this year with it being over publicized that we collapse in December it will be the main question the team hears all week long. I say you address it once and be done with it.

[Macarthur]

I don't see it as negative. I like the fact that JJ came in and talked to the team like this. I personally feel as if the December lapse last year was a mental issue. And this year with it being over publicized that we collapse in December it will be the main question the team hears all week long. I say you address it once and be done with it.

While I don't dismiss that there was a mental aspect, don't forget all the injuries this team had last year.

No Autin or Hurd
No Kosier
Witten broken ribs and bad ankle
No Felix
Barber at about 70% (if that)
Keith Davis started several games at safety
RW plantar faciatis
Flo bad shoulder and badly infected hand
Romo's back was clearly not right

While I know that all teams have injuries and that can't be used as an excuse, I still think the reality was that the team just didn't have enough bullets in the chamber.

[Paul]

Not to mention Romo's pinkie was still bothering him throughout the tail end of last season.

[herniateddisc]

Did I gives props to Jerry Jones for not letting his team make excuses for failure?

And if he is going to be everywhere like he is - - he might as well make the statement he made.

So... I may not like the role he plays but he did right in this instance.

[D-Unit]

Anyone else think that we can beat New Orleans? I sure do. I can't wait for that match up. Honestly, I think we'll have a harder time beating the Giants.

[LizardState]

Anyone else think that we can beat New Orleans? I sure do. I can't wait for that match up. Honestly, I think we'll have a harder time beating the Giants.


I don't think Dallas can beat the Saints the way their offense is playing now. And Sean Payton completely outcoached Parcells for thier big upset in the last meeting, 2-3 TDs from their FB going into the EZ untouched, inexcusable.

The Giants seem to have that stigma over Dallas, that rivalry thing & all. But the way the Giants are playing now, IDK...................

[Macarthur]

Anyone else think that we can beat New Orleans? I sure do. I can't wait for that match up. Honestly, I think we'll have a harder time beating the Giants.

I don't think the Saints defense is as good as everyone has made it seem. It seems to me, and I haven't researched this, that if you don't turn the ball over, you can put up points on them. So, yes, I think we've got a shot at beating them.

As for the Giants, I just think they are in a bad way right now. Their secondary, especially the safety position, is just not very good. If you can block them up front, they just can't cover. Period.

[D-Unit]

This is a must win for the Giants. They know everything about how to beat us. This is in their home. Cold weather. I don't buy into how teams look going into games to be honest. ...if it's just bad play that is. Injuries are legit. But bad play? Doesn't mean a heck of a lot to me. Guys can turn on the switch and turn bad play into good play in an instant.

[Macarthur]

I just don't think their problems are fixable. Their secondary is just bad.

[herniateddisc]

I just don't think their problems are fixable. Their secondary is just bad.

Giants? NO? Both?

[D-Unit]

I think he means the Giants. I don't care what the perception is like. The Giants will make it one tough game. Webster and Thomas are good corners.

As for NOR... New England will write the playbook on how to beat them tonight. Thier D ain't that good. No Sedrick Ellis... Shanle and Fujita are their LBs... c'mon now. Very beatable. Their offense is finesse. NE has always beat up on finesse offenses.

[herniateddisc]

The way to beat NO is to force Brees into throwing deep patterns under pressure or sideline patterns. Play zone with the LB, avoid playing 2 Deep Safeties and move the safeties closer to the line, and have the CBs shade inside.

He sees them "open" but he under throws them when he is getting pressured. ESPECIALLY PRESSURE UP THE MIDDLE.

FWIW, Nicks plays for NO. Sad. Reminds me of Blalock, another Guard we simply missed on.

[D-Unit]

The way to beat NO is to force Brees into throwing deep patterns under pressure or sideline patterns. Play zone with the LB, avoid playing 2 Deep Safeties and move the safeties closer to the line, and have the CBs shade inside.

He sees them "open" but he under throws them when he is getting pressured. ESPECIALLY PRESSURE UP THE MIDDLE.

FWIW, Nicks plays for NO. Sad. Reminds me of Blalock, another Guard we simply missed on.
I agree. If Brees doesn't get pressured then he can pick apart a defense and he's very comfortable throwing to his check down reads to his TE or RBs when nothing is open deep. But generating that pressure is easier said than done. We need Spencer to have the same kind of performance that he had last week. We need Ware to have a top game and I would like to see ILB, CB and S blitzes. Heck, I always want to see those. But I trust Wade to do the right thing on D.

What scares me more is Garrett. He needs to control the clock and run the ball with authority. Keep Brees off the field, keep the defense fresh and run the ball. I fear he'll resort to the pass... and if this becomes a passing battle where whoever has the ball last wins, then Dallas will lose.

Blalock was possibly my favorite OG prospect of all time. The way scouts hyped up Nicks leading up to the draft made me think of him as a tackle in the NFL. Kudos to the Saints for making him a Guard. I always think highly of guard who were prior OTs. Just like I like OTs that were prior TEs.

[herniateddisc]

All Saints big plays are between the numbers. GMen and Patriots game same type of plan. Move guys around, draw the safeties and ILB out of position and throw the ball down the middle. Brees can not make the sideline throws past 10 yards.

Excited about the next two weeks.

[leroyisgod]

Well the Pats didn't help anyone out by showing the blueprint on how to beat the Saints. Let's face it, this isn't the Pats defense of a few years ago. It's got a lot of holes in it. Not much pressure on Brees equaled plenty of time to pick apart that weak secondary.

[thule]

The pats had no pressure up the middle. And the one or two plays they did they didn't have contain. Ratliff is just what the doctor ordered to stop this defense.

However James and Brooking might just be what the doctor ordered for the saint with the RB and TE's in the flat.

BTW would have been nice to have a Mickens or McCallister on the roster. A savy vet that can make big plays in big games. I hate our depth right now with ball spending more time at FS...we really can't afford a single injury to our top 3 CB's.

Ty Law please come to town.

[D-Unit]

The pats had no pressure up the middle. And the one or two plays they did they didn't have contain. Ratliff is just what the doctor ordered to stop this defense.

However James and Brooking might just be what the doctor ordered for the saint with the RB and TE's in the flat.

BTW would have been nice to have a Mickens or McCallister on the roster. A savy vet that can make big plays in big games. I hate our depth right now with ball spending more time at FS...we really can't afford a single injury to our top 3 CB's.

Ty Law please come to town.
Yeeesh... Ty Law? 5 years to late. I think you meant McKenzie and not Mickens. But yeah, they looked good tonight.

I hear you about CB depth. It's why I have Perrish Cox as the #2 guy on my draft board for us. The good news is, the CB free agent class is excellent. I really think Newman's career at CB is no longer effective.

[Ward]

Ok so here's what's left:

@ New York
San Diego
@ New Orleans
@ Washington
aaaand Philly.

With this knowledge, what is your best case/worst case for the remainder of the season? I can see 0-5 and the meltdown that everyone is waiting for at worst, and only 3-2 at best. Side question: how many wins will get us in?

[LonghornsLegend]

Ok so here's what's left:

@ New York
San Diego
@ New Orleans
@ Washington
aaaand Philly.

With this knowledge, what is your best case/worst case for the remainder of the season? I can see 0-5 and the meltdown that everyone is waiting for at worst, and only 3-2 at best. Side question: how many wins will get us in?


I think we go 3-2, 2 wins gets us in the playoffs if you ask me. It's a tough stretch, I think it will show us how good we truly are. I want to lean towards 4-1, I honestly think we'll beat one of San Diego or New Orleans and lose a game we shouldn't have any business losing.


2-3 would be disappointing for me, but there is no way we do anything worse then that. This team isn't going to just collapse completely.


After 2nite if we beat New Orleans though I could care less what we do with the rest of the games, they look like the best team in the NFL at this point.

[D-Unit]

Ok so here's what's left:

@ New York
San Diego
@ New Orleans
@ Washington
aaaand Philly.

With this knowledge, what is your best case/worst case for the remainder of the season? I can see 0-5 and the meltdown that everyone is waiting for at worst, and only 3-2 at best. Side question: how many wins will get us in?
5-0 at best. 0-5 at worst.

Prediction:
@ New York - W - We're splitting the series this season.
San Diego - W - Wade has owned them.
@ New Orleans - L - NOR looks pretty unstoppable.
@ Washington - L - They want revenge BAAAAAAAAAAAAD.
aaaand Philly - W - We want revenge BAAAAAAAAAAAD.

[herniateddisc]

Good Tony = 4-1
Bad Tony = 2-3

[LizardState]

Ok so here's what's left:

@ New York
San Diego
@ New Orleans
@ Washington
aaaand Philly.

With this knowledge, what is your best case/worst case for the remainder of the season? I can see 0-5 and the meltdown that everyone is waiting for at worst, and only 3-2 at best. Side question: how many wins will get us in?

I'm going to be optimistic for once.

Best case: 3-2
Worst case: 0-5, Romo December meltdown (the curse!)

2-3 more wins = playoff berth b/c the Giants are playing down to their potential, the Skins suck & Philly is at best struggling. This could be yr. Dallas finishes strong & takes the NFC East if they stay relatively injury free.

There will be much media conjecture about Dallas being unable to beat teams with winning rcds, Romo unable to handle big game pressure & throwing INTs, etc. Or not.

Dallas prevails b/c they're better coached than the playcalling indicates, their defense can hold the lead the offense acquires, & the rest of the NFC East has much more fail potential than they do.

My take on how it goes down:


@ New York : W, Giants playing like crap now & have lost their mojo
San Diego : L, Bolts are red hot now
@ New Orleans : L, Saints are redder hot now, could go 16-0, Payton used to coach in Dallas & has their number
@ Washington : W, Skins defense showing its age, Zorn has one foot out of town & assts. fired, lots of them going through the motions in December
aaaand Philly : W, Dallas clearly outcoached them last time & can again

[leroyisgod]

Ok so here's what's left:

@ New York
San Diego
@ New Orleans
@ Washington
aaaand Philly.

With this knowledge, what is your best case/worst case for the remainder of the season? I can see 0-5 and the meltdown that everyone is waiting for at worst, and only 3-2 at best. Side question: how many wins will get us in?

I think 11-5 guarantees us to be in, but 10-6 could do it.

[leroyisgod]

Anyone else think that we can beat New Orleans? I sure do. I can't wait for that match up. Honestly, I think we'll have a harder time beating the Giants.

The Giants scare me this week. 1- it's in NY 2- NY is a desperate team right now.

Desperate teams can tend to pull out big victories.

[leroyisgod]

Here's my thoughts on the state of our team and our schedule for the remainder of the season. I'm not jumping the gun here trying to make predictions, but I like the attitude and direction were heading in. Now is the time that we show that killer instinct we have lacked the last several years. We have no gimme's the next 5 weeks and call me silly, but I like it that way.

My only prediction is that you'll see a different Cowboys team this December than in years past. It will be positive!

[Macarthur]

@ New York - W - I just think thier defense looks old and slow. I listened to Michael Lombardi on the Ticket this morning and he said that their front 7 is really slow. He said it should be a big game for Felix.

San Diego - L - I go back and forth on this one. I truly think this is a toss up game.

@ New Orleans L - I think we give them a pretty good game...something like 31-27.

@ Washington W - Age on defense and injuries are taking a toll. They will play thier butts off, but we pull away 24-13.

aaaand Philly. W - I think use the same gameplan. Keep the safeties deep and come after Donovan.


Agree Leroy. The main thing is that I just think this is a very different team than years past. They have a different vibe and chemistry. Also, they are very healthy relatively speaking.

[LonghornsLegend]

I think we can take San Diego, Sensabaugh should do a decent job on Gates especially if we double him, VJ should give us trouble but Jenkins is a physical guy, and they really haven't had the running game going as of lately.


The defense gives up big yardage and Merriman is nowhere near the same player, so we can make plays. It will be a fun ass game to watch honestly, with the Saints I just want to see if we can keep it close in the 4th quarter and I'll take a moral victory. They beat the Pats ass to where they took out the starters as they have most teams, I just want to see if we can slow them down and make it a game.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

The Giants scare me this week. 1- it's in NY 2- NY is a desperate team right now.

Desperate teams can tend to pull out big victories.

We are horrible! I hate Sheridan, and never liked that hire. If we win, I'd be the most surprised person ever.. Eli is hurt and has been hurt, and our defense can't stop anyone in the red zone. This is like the Hufangel-Lewis era again, the original dumb and dumber hired along with Coughlin in '04.

[leroyisgod]

I think we can take San Diego, Sensabaugh should do a decent job on Gates especially if we double him, VJ should give us trouble but Jenkins is a physical guy, and they really haven't had the running game going as of lately.


The defense gives up big yardage and Merriman is nowhere near the same player, so we can make plays. It will be a fun ass game to watch honestly, with the Saints I just want to see if we can keep it close in the 4th quarter and I'll take a moral victory. They beat the Pats ass to where they took out the starters as they have most teams, I just want to see if we can slow them down and make it a game.

SD's running game doesn't scare me. I could be wrong, but it has seemed like bigger more physical backs have hurt us worse this year than the smaller faster guys.

SD's passing game scares me. Big, strong physical receivers. Jenkins I'm fine with, he can man up on VJ, but T-New scares me against the other guys. I think Sensabaugh can handle Gates for the most part.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

Oh man...lots of future talk going on. I just want to win against the Giants. That is a big enough challenge.

I have to agree with herniated disc (Rob). Romo is the key. Good Romo equals wins. Bad Romo equals losses. I hope noone is looking too far into the future (New Orleans). That game is not this week. One game at a time...as the cliche goes.

[M.O.T.H.]

Hurd is 2nd in the pro bowl voting for ST player by only 7,000 votes. Vote em in! :D

Miles has a good shot at the pro bowl as well...3rd in NFC WR voting so, he's in as of now. Ware is first in OLB voting and then we have a bunch of guys who are on the outside looking in. The pro bowl roster is dominated by Vikings.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Hurd is 2nd in the pro bowl voting for ST player by only 7,000 votes. Vote em in! :D

Miles has a good shot at the pro bowl as well...3rd in NFC WR voting so, he's in as of now. Ware is first in OLB voting and then we have a bunch of guys who are on the outside looking in. The pro bowl roster is dominated by Vikings.

Yeah it's going to be all Vikings and Saints players. They should put up a sign that says, others need not apply.

[leroyisgod]

Hurd is 2nd in the pro bowl voting for ST player by only 7,000 votes. Vote em in! :D

Miles has a good shot at the pro bowl as well...3rd in NFC WR voting so, he's in as of now. Ware is first in OLB voting and then we have a bunch of guys who are on the outside looking in. The pro bowl roster is dominated by Vikings.

Where can you see the vote totals?

Also, when you guys vote do you act like a homer or vote on legitimacy?

[E-Man]

I usually tend to vote on legitimacy, but I have homer voted for a few lineman for fun. I voted for Al Johnson in the Pro Bowl voting just because I thought it would be funny.

[djp]

Yeah it's going to be all Vikings and Saints players. They should put up a sign that says, others need not apply.

To be fair though, Favre, Peterson, Rice, Hutchinson, Shiancoe, Allen, K. Williams all deserve it.

[D-Unit]

Does Ware look like he's going to get in?

[M.O.T.H.]

Ware is our only lock.

[D-Unit]

Ware is our only lock.

Good. Bought his authentic jersey last year and I'm determined to get it signed somehow. Was sooooooooooooooooooooo close last year...

[Supporting Caste]

Cowboys who should be in the pro bowl (as of now)

Miles Austin
Jay Ratliff
DeMarcus Ware
Keith Brooking (I wish we would leave him on the field in passing situations and just blitz him like hell--anything to keep Carpenter on the sideline)
Mat McBriar

Out of them, I think Austin, Ratliff and Ware make it. McBriar might as he does have a fair bit of rep around the league (as he damn well should...he's top three at least).

Mike Jenkins deserves some consideration for the 3rd CB spot behind Woodson and Samuel.

[Burns336]

Hey guys -- thought everyone would find this website I found interesting.

According to this -- D-Ware is a terror, even if the sack numbers don't it. He has the most QB pressures in the league by far.

Also interesting to see Anthony Spencer ranked so high

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

[D-Unit]

Hey guys -- thought everyone would find this website I found interesting.

According to this -- D-Ware is a terror, even if the sack numbers don't it. He has the most QB pressures in the league by far.

Also interesting to see Anthony Spencer ranked so high

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
Welcome back you big mofo! LOL.

I'll check that out.

[D-Unit]

This is our defensive player overall ranks at their positions according to that site's grading scale:

DE Olshansky - 17
DE Spears - 29
NT Ratliff - 9

OLB Ware - 1
OLB Spencer - 4
ILB Brooking - 12
ILB Bradie James - 21

CB Newman - 16
CB Jenkins - 32
NB Scandrick - 69
S Hamlin - 51
S Sensabaugh - 16

That only comforts me as Spears, James and Hamlin all need to be upgraded. Still want Jason Williams to eventually fill our ILB need, but DE and S need to be addressed and I'm glad this is some evidence to confirm that.

[D-Unit]

...and the offense...

QB Romo - 17

OT Adams - 53
OT Columbo - 19
OG Kosier - 8
OG Davis - 13
C Gurode - 14

RB Barber - 20
RB Choice - 24
FB Anderson - 10

WR Austin - 4
WR Williams - 89
WR Crayton - 50

TE Witten - 2


Gee ma neeez Flo... and Roy!!!

[M.O.T.H.]

Those Qb pressure numbers sure are weird because, everyone else said Spencer and Ware were tied in QB pressures like a week ago.

I hate all those football outsider numbers because, they all get different numbers depending upon what site you visit. bleh.

[D-Unit]

Those Qb pressure numbers sure are weird because, everyone else said Spencer and Ware were tied in QB pressures like a week ago.
Yeah, I remember when that was said, but personally, it was surprising because I didn't really see it on the field. I think those comments were inaccurate.

[M.O.T.H.]

Well that was according to Wade and everyone and then Aikman and the ESPN article reiterated it....so hell if I know.

Of course according to Wade and our guys, all our players get 200+ tackles a year.

[D-Unit]

Well that was according to Wade and everyone and then Aikman and the ESPN article reiterated it....so hell if I know.

Of course according to Wade and our guys, all our players get 200+ tackles a year.
haha. Wouldn't surprise me one bit to know if Wade had impressions of incorrect stats. He seems so clueless sometimes, I swear...

http://gautham.typepad.com/.a/6a00e551f33d6388330105363299b6970c-800wi

[M.O.T.H.]

lol. He's loveable, though. Even if he crashed and burned in Dallas, I'd still like him. He believes in having fun while you're playing and coaching. Not one of those hard asses. He's certainly the kind of coach, I'd like to play for. And I'm sure this team loves him, no grown ass man wants to be bullied by one of those type of coaches...Wade looks at his guys more as equals. May not be everyone's cup of tea in a coach, but I like it...having played under some a hole coaches in my high school days. :D Even though, he gets a lot of hate...he's been pretty damn successful as a HC and a DC, if you dont count the playoffs. :P

What I was saying, though...is that all defensive team stats recorded by that team, have crazy numbers. Patrick Willis probably has 300 tackles according to Manusky. They give you a tackle if you're involved in a pile up, it seems.

[D-Unit]

Honestly, I wouldn't have a grudge against Wade either. I just really like him more as a DC. I'd love for him to stay aboard for that even if his HC contract is not renewed. If it is renewed that means he did something in the playoffs and if that's the case, he's earned more patience from me.

[Staubach12]

Honestly, I wouldn't have a grudge against Wade either. I just really like him more as a DC. I'd love for him to stay aboard for that even if his HC contract is not renewed. If it is renewed that means he did something in the playoffs and if that's the case, he's earned more patience from me.

I 100% agree. If there's a way to keep Wade around as DC, we need to do that.

[M.O.T.H.]

There is no way that will happen, though. 0% chance.

[herniateddisc]

Funny how Canty talked crap after signing with the G-Men about how they were a team and by inference we were not ..... now the G-Men are camp turmoil and the D is big mess. With coaches saying players are soft .... funny.

[LonghornsLegend]

There is no way that will happen, though. 0% chance.

I wouldn't put it at 0%, if anyone has the chance to get demoted it's Wade, it falls in line with his whole personality and what you said you liked about him in the first place. He's not the type of guy who will feel like a demotion is beneath him, and if he gets paid enough it's certainly not out of the question. Doesn't really matter if this is a typical move or not.

[M.O.T.H.]

I dont care who you are or what your personality is. It wont happen. It's a major insult to ask for such a thing.

[mat33]

This is a little off topic, I know that Keith Brooking has been a monster this year but he can't keep going for much longer, so I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about Jason Williams. I was really high on him after the draft, and thought that while he would red shirt this year on defence, he would be a ST stud. But so far he has only played in 2 games, so does anyone know anything about his situation?

[D-Unit]

Funny how Canty talked crap after signing with the G-Men about how they were a team and by inference we were not ..... now the G-Men are camp turmoil and the D is big mess. With coaches saying players are soft .... funny.
Ya really. Nice recall of memory. They're still 1-0 over us though...eventhough he didn't play. Hopefully we stick it to him/them good tomorrow.

[LizardState]

Ya really. Nice recall of memory. They're still 1-0 over us though...eventhough he didn't play. Hopefully we stick it to him/them good tomorrow.

I thought that Canty going to NY was the icing on the cake for their d-line, made it the best in the NFL, he was a nonfactor.....

realizing it's irrelevant for the thread but since we're waiting for the NFL, who did the best Ratliff imitation on the best college Saturday ever today, Cody or Suh? Suh almost singlehandedly destroyed the Horns & several times I saw Cody push the Gators center back into Tebow's face. Both those NT types are going 3-4 pro defenses very happy next yr.

[M.O.T.H.]

Meh...Canty going to a 4-3 team was kind of weird to begin with. He was never a star with us, he was a good 34 end but, I wasnt expecting him to start going insane in a 43 defense. As for having no impact, in fairness, he's been hurt the entire year but, I wouldnt expect him to be a major impact kind of guy anyway.

[Pokeys]

I think were going to bounce back and beat San Diego next week. But this was a rough game that we let slip. Sloppy defensive play and a lack of rushing attack killed us.

A couple of positives to take away from the game. Less penalties and Doug Free.

[M.O.T.H.]

Well we suck against 3-4 defenses but, I expect to win against the Chargers. Fingers crossed.

[thule]

I'd rather lose to the chargers and win the last 3. AFC lose is essentially nothing in the playoff seeding.

[M.O.T.H.]

Yeah but a win against the Chargers sounds more likely then one against the Saints. I think we have a good shot here. I dont think we'll beat the Saints. Even though, the Saints arent playing their best.

[thule]

Yeah but a win against the Chargers sounds more likely then one against the Saints. I think we have a good shot here. I dont think we'll beat the Saints. Even though, the Saints arent playing their best.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the saints kill us. But ya I agree with the Chargers should be a easier task than the Saints.

[D-Unit]

I wouldn't be surprised to see us go undefeated the rest of the regular season. haha. I'm serious. Frick the Saints. They looked human today until the last moments of the game.

[Modano]

I wouldn't be surprised to see us go undefeated the rest of the regular season. haha. I'm serious. Frick the Saints. They looked human today until the last moments of the game.

And I had Meachem on the bench :(

[thule]

I have a feeling we lose the next 2 and win out to get a WC spot. I think philly whens the division easy and maybe even rests week 17....So it's between us GB and NYG....lets all route against GB tmoorrow night...eliminating GB makes us easy to get in.

[D-Unit]

I have a feeling we lose the next 2 and win out to get a WC spot. I think philly whens the division easy and maybe even rests week 17....So it's between us GB and NYG....lets all route against GB tmoorrow night...eliminating GB makes us easy to get in.
Yeah, GB has that tie breaker over us since we lost to them, so I'm a big Ravens fan tonight!

With NYG having the tie breaker over us, I hope you are wrong about Philly winning the division, cause the only way we'd get in is if 3 NFC East teams make it to the playoffs.

[LizardState]

Well we suck against 3-4 defenses but, I expect to win against the Chargers. Fingers crossed.

Wade knows that 3-4 in SD, he built it.

That & home field advantage, hell yes I'm optimistic. Minimize the mistakes, no Barber ball strip this weekend & Dallas wins.

[M.O.T.H.]

It's no where near the same anymore. That's Rivera's defense now...at least his variation of the 34. They all have their little tweaks...Cottrell coached under Phillips but his version was still completely different and Rivera learned it under Cottrell. Plus they've had injuries so, it's been adjusted even more to adapt to the what he has.

Wade will benefit from knowing his former players tendencies but, the scheme itself, is completely different than his. So, it's not like he has a major edge.

[D-Unit]

It's no where near the same anymore. That's Rivera's defense now...at least his variation of the 34. They all have their little tweaks...Cottrell coached under Phillips but his version was still completely different and Rivera learned it under Cottrell. Plus they've had injuries so, it's been adjusted even more to adapt to the what he has.

Wade will benefit from knowing his former players tendencies but, the scheme itself, is completely different than his. So, it's not like he has a major edge.
I agree. Too much has changed since he's been there.

Honestly, I don't know what advantages we have over them. This will unsuprisingly be another loss.

[M.O.T.H.]

I still think we'll win actually. Their running game is terrible and the line can be beat with a good rush. Their weapons are plentiful and should score on us but, we shouldnt be a stranger to points either. Unless we get completely dominated up front again, like when we played the Pack's 34. I dont expect it, though. It could go either way but, they're an overrated team, imo.

[leroyisgod]

I GUARANTEE a victory this week!

[Macarthur]

Good. I feel better now. :)

[leroyisgod]

Good. I feel better now. :)

As well you should. :)

[M.O.T.H.]

You guys see the video board is going to have the game in 3D this week? I wonder what that will look like for the viewers at home. Seems really stupid, though. That seems like something only our team would do.

edit...well I guess it's not as big as I thought it was. They're showing some demos at half time and during the game. An experiment of sorts to see how fans like it for down the line, perhaps. Could you imagine having to go to a cowboy game with 3d glasses on? lol.

[bigbluedefense]

I honestly think you guys win this week. Youre at home, and I think SD is pretty overrated.

Im starting to think Phillip Rivers is an overrated qb, and their defense isn't great.

Their weapons though aren't overrated. Its going to be hard covering Gates and Jackson and their other tall WRs. Even when theyre covered, Rivers will just throw it up there and they go make plays.

Im curious to see Jenkins on Jackson if they let Jenkins cover him 1 on 1 with no help.

[M.O.T.H.]

I think the Chargers are overrated but in no way, Rivers. That is a dangerous man.

[bigbluedefense]

I think the Chargers are overrated but in no way, Rivers. That is a dangerous man.

Ive scouted Rivers for a good 4 years now, I've come to the conclusion that he's a little overrated. Too much is made of his stats. Those weapons make that team. Replace him with Matt Schaub, and you wouldnt even know a change was made.

Those big targets, warm weather and Turner's offense mask a ton of his weaknesses.

I still think he's a gamer, don't get me wrong. Just a tad overrated.

[D-Unit]

How bout the outpouring of love for Wade!!! It's definitely nice to see. Makes me want to support him more.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4728125

[M.O.T.H.]

Well Schaub has really become a great/very good QB in his own right. Maybe not the best player to use there. I def. think Rivers' praise is warranted. I too have been watching him for years...I watch all the games with my father. :) He's got this Chargers/Cardinals co-favorite team thing going on, I dont know he loves Warner. But anyway, I think Rivers is damn near brilliant. He's putting together his second straight MVP caliber season. The fire, the accuracy, leadership, vision. I think it's all top notch. He's put together another fine season, with no real running game and an O-Line that has regressed. And last season, he was still playing outstanding football despite LT and Gates being banged up or injured just about every week. Rivers has it all, I hold him in the highest of regard.

[D-Unit]

Well Schaub has really become a great QB in his own right. Maybe not the best player to use there. I def. think Rivers' praise is warranted. I too have been watching him for years...I watch all the games with my father. :) He's got this Chargers/Cardinals co-favorite team thing going on, I dont know he loves Warner. But anyway, I think Rivers is damn near brilliant. He's putting together his second straight MVP caliber season. The fire, the accuracy, leadership, vision. I think it's all top notch. He's put together another fine season, with no real running game and an O-Line that has regressed. And last season, he was still playing outstanding football despite LT and Gates being banged up or injured just about every week. Rivers has it all, I hold him in the highest of regard.
There was a time that I wanted us to draft Rivers badly. ...until he became out of our range. I credit Norm Chow for making Rivers the QB he is today.

[bigbluedefense]

2 things I absolutely love about Rivers are his accuracy, and his quick release.

He does a great job of reading coverages too. So I guess thats 3 things. Like I said, I'm not saying he's a bad qb. I think he's a great qb. Just a little overrated. You can be great but still overrated. He would look like a very different qb in a different system with different players around him. He's in the perfect scenario for his own personal success.


Regardless, if you guys can find a way to cover Gates 1 on 1 so you can double up Jackson, he'll struggle.

Gates has been on fire though. I dont know if you guys have the horses to contain him either.

But Romo should have his way against SD. It may be a shoot out.

[D-Unit]

2 things I absolutely love about Rivers are his accuracy, and his quick release.

He does a great job of reading coverages too. So I guess thats 3 things. Like I said, I'm not saying he's a bad qb. I think he's a great qb. Just a little overrated. You can be great but still overrated. He would look like a very different qb in a different system with different players around him. He's in the perfect scenario for his own personal success.


Regardless, if you guys can find a way to cover Gates 1 on 1 so you can double up Jackson, he'll struggle.

Gates has been on fire though. I dont know if you guys have the horses to contain him either.

But Romo should have his way against SD. It may be a shoot out.
I said this before, but I think if it's a shootout then we'll lose.

We need to exploit their porous run D and keep their offense off the field. If there is one game Garrett needs to run the ball without panicking, this is it.

I hope we run the ball out of the I, do some play action... razorback... run, run, run...

A no huddle, shotgun passing attack sprinkled with some draws will lose the game for us. Not because we won't move the ball, but rather the last team with the ball will win and Rivers only needs a few seconds to do that.

[Macarthur]

I don't disagree, D, but we also have to score TDs, not FGs.

The problem we've had in the past when we were too run heavy is that we didn't finish off drives with TDs.

[D-Unit]

I don't disagree, D, but we also have to score TDs, not FGs.

The problem we've had in the past when we were too run heavy is that we didn't finish off drives with TDs.
Did you see that play-action TD in the redzone against NYG? That's exactly what I mean. More more more. You can run so much out of play action... I love it, if used correctly and timely.

[D-Unit]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys

Well, Moth... you wanted a new holder... His name is...

TONY ROMO!!!!! :eek:

[LonghornsLegend]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys

Well, Moth... you wanted a new holder... His name is...

TONY ROMO!!!!! :eek:

Is that the right link, or were you just joking. I hope so :( I might boycott watching games if that was true lol.

[D-Unit]

Is that the right link, or were you just joking. I hope so :( I might boycott watching games if that was true lol.
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Hold on: Romo to the rescue
December, 9, 2009 Dec 95:05PM CTComment Email Print Share By Tim MacMahonIRVING, Texas – Tony Romo has come out of a retirement as a holder, a smart move for the Dallas Cowboys despite the disastrous result of Romo’s last snap in that role.

Romo’s only gaffe as a holder cost the Cowboys a chance to take a late lead in a playoff game, causing Romo to sob in the visiting locker room at Seattle’s Qwest Field after what turned out to be Bill Parcells’ final night on the Dallas sideline. But the Seattle Slip is a distant memory. The Cowboys’ current field goal woes are fresh in folks’ minds, and Romo represents the best solution on the roster.

Punter Mat McBriar has no confidence as a holder. Kicker Nick Folk, who has missed more field goals this season (eight) than his previous two campaigns combined, has no confidence in McBriar to get the ball down in the proper spot with the laces pointed in the right direction.

Romo is the only other player on the roster who has served as a holder in an NFL game. He’s the only player on the roster the coaches believe can fill that role flawlessly. There is minimal risk of injury as a holder, so it makes sense in this instance for the starting quarterback to play a role on special teams.

Romo took most of the snaps as the holder during Wednesday’s practice. Coach Wade Phillips didn’t want to make a definite declaration, but he strongly indicated that Romo would hold Sunday against the San Diego Chargers.

Points are precious in a playoff race. The Cowboys can’t afford to keep giving them away three at a time. Romo is coming to the rescue in a role nobody ever thought he’d have to play again.

[LizardState]

Punter Mat McBriar has no confidence as a holder. Kicker Nick Folk, who has missed more field goals this season (eight) than his previous two campaigns combined, has no confidence in McBriar to get the ball down in the proper spot with the laces pointed in the right direction.

FIX THE HOLE THERE ---- Sub Miles Austin as the holder. Maybe Hurd?

[M.O.T.H.]

FIX THE HOLE THERE ---- Sub Miles Austin as the holder. Maybe Hurd?

If it was a receiver it would have been Crayton or Hurd.

This should be interesting at least....Wade said earlier in the week that they may use Romo so I'm not surprised. I just hope it doesnt come down to a FG at the end of this game, in his first game back there.

I also hope Garrett doesnt try to get cute with a fake FG pass and get Tony killed.

[Ward]

Wade said earlier in the week that they may use Romo so I'm not surprised. I just hope it doesnt come down to a FG at the end of this game, in his first game back there.

I just threw up a little in my mouth.

[M.O.T.H.]

lol.

It's going to be weird seeing him do it again.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

lol.

It's going to be weird seeing him do it again.

I think it will be fun to see him do it again! I hope he doesn't drop the snap to him! : P

[Macarthur]

Why is this a big deal? Theoretically, your QB should have the best hands on the team because he handles the ball on every play.

Plus, it does give the defense something else to think about. They certainly never had to worrry about McBriar raising up and throwing a pass.

This should be the least of our worries.

[leroyisgod]

Why is this a big deal? Theoretically, your QB should have the best hands on the team because he handles the ball on every play.

Plus, it does give the defense something else to think about. They certainly never had to worrry about McBriar raising up and throwing a pass.

This should be the least of our worries.

Why not Kitna?

[Macarthur]

Maybe Romo is better.

[leroyisgod]

Maybe Romo is better.

I personally have no issues with Romo doing it. It gives you more options in fake kick scenarios.

[D-Unit]

I personally have no issues with Romo doing it. It gives you more options in fake kick scenarios.
That'll never happen while Garrett is here. Can anyone remind me when the last time we faked a punt, FG attempt or heck... what was our last called trick play?

[Macarthur]

D, that's not Garrett's call.

[M.O.T.H.]

Actually, it is. Decamillis doesnt call or draw up those type of plays.

[D-Unit]

If that's not Garrett's job responsibility then we have a wrong guy handing out everyone's assigned responsibilities. LOL.

[LonghornsLegend]

Why is this a big deal?

Do you really need to ask this question? You really see no problem with your starting QB as the holder? Even if I tried to ignore what happened in Seattle(which I can't which makes this whole situation more ironic) it's still a dumb ass idea.


It's BS anyway, what the hell were we doing in Training Camp again? Here we are in December looking for a FG kicker which should of been the easiest thing to find when we were out there in shorts.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

I hate to put too much stock in one play that happened a long time ago, but why do we have to use ROMO? There has to be another option.

And as a side note...is anyone else questioning the kicker instead of the holder but me? It appears I am in the minority here, but the holds did not look bad to me. I am not a kicker (obviously), but at this point I am not going to blame the holder.

[Paul]

Folk is going to kick the **** out of Romo's thumb on his throwing hand. Calling it.

[D-Unit]

Folk is going to kick the **** out of Romo's thumb on his throwing hand. Calling it.

Hahaha. That would be hilarious!


HH, I've been saying it. Folk is the problem. He hasn't been the same since he got hurt. I initially thought that when we drafted Buehler that the team knew something about Folk that we didn't know. But Folk still has the kicking job.

The only good I see out of this is that if Folk keeps screwing up then we'll finally drop him and give Buehler a chance to see if we can live without Folk.

... Or Folk gets his act together.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

If that's not Garrett's job responsibility then we have a wrong guy handing out everyone's assigned responsibilities. LOL.

That's not JG's job to design those plays. That's the special team's coaches job. You do have a special team's coach right? He is the one that draws those plays up and sets the protection and everything.

[LizardState]

I personally have no issues with Romo doing it. It gives you more options in fake kick scenarios.

If they do fake a FG attempt, or even an extra point, they will be due -- I don't think Dallas has faked a FG attempt since Landry was HC. Those are rare in the NFL, all the more reason to try it.

When I 1st saw this I wondered if maybe they had rehired Avezzano as ST coach, I'm still pissed that he allowed the Eagles to get away with that onsides kick they used several yrs ago on the opening KO in the opener game that Philly went on to beat them. he may have been one of the worst ST coaches in NFL history.

If Romo can learn from his mega-mistake in Seattle a couple of yrs ago (& if he's ever read the novel or seen the film North Dallas 40 which forecast it exactly) then I have no trouble with him holding, Tony, just handle the damn ball from the snap & turn the laces toward the goal posts, it's not rocket science. If he repeats history though, put Kitna or Hurd in.

[Macarthur]

Actually, it is. Decamillis doesnt call or draw up those type of plays.


You are wrong. As Banning said, that is Joe D. Now Garrett might have input.

But that wasn't really my point. I was talking about who calls the fakes. That is Wade's call 100%.

[Macarthur]

Do you really need to ask this question? You really see no problem with your starting QB as the holder?


No. I absolutely do not see a problem here. Could something negative happen, sure, but I can't really remember the last time a holder got injured. Is it the optimal situation, No, but this is being blown way out of proportion.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

You are wrong. As Banning said, that is Joe D. Now Garrett might have input.

But that wasn't really my point. I was talking about who calls the fakes. That is Wade's call 100%.

He has input if he is asked. But coaches AT ALL LEVELS are very anal about coaching your specific position. Meaning if JG is the OC then worry about that side, if I am the special teams coach, that's my section. Only the HC can come and tell me what to do, or suggest stuff. Now if I am the special teams coach, and I want to run something by JG then that's cool.

But if you see any offensive playbook, you never see special teams stuff in there. It's not part of the scope of work. That will be in the specials teams playbook. Where to line up, punt coverage, return, kick off return, coverage, onside kick, protections, left return, middle right, and so on. FG unit block and defend, and any special things are all the special teams coach.

[bigbluedefense]

Jerry Jones is publically questioning the use of Marion Barber now.

how do you guys feel about that? i think its a major mistake whenever he does this. he's the owner, not a coach. even if he feels the way he feels (which many times is an accurate assessment), you don't go out and publically say stuff like that. it just makes things worse.

and Wade already said nothing is going to change. so your coaching staff is obviously in disagreement. why publically question your coaching staff like that?

why should the players respond to the coaches when the owner, the guy cutting their checks, is questioning the coach?

its just a bad idea to be so forthcoming to the media, especially right now when pressure is at an all time high this season on the team to perform. youre just making it tougher on your team.

i don't get it.

[Macarthur]

He has input if he is asked. But coaches AT ALL LEVELS are very anal about coaching your specific position. Meaning if JG is the OC then worry about that side, if I am the special teams coach, that's my section. Only the HC can come and tell me what to do, or suggest stuff. Now if I am the special teams coach, and I want to run something by JG then that's cool.

But if you see any offensive playbook, you never see special teams stuff in there. It's not part of the scope of work. That will be in the specials teams playbook. Where to line up, punt coverage, return, kick off return, coverage, onside kick, protections, left return, middle right, and so on. FG unit block and defend, and any special things are all the special teams coach.

I agree with you. My point was something to the effect that when Joe D is working through a fake in practice, he may ask Garrett what route would be best for this guy to run or something like that.

[Macarthur]

Jerry Jones is publically questioning the use of Marion Barber now.

how do you guys feel about that? i think its a major mistake whenever he does this. he's the owner, not a coach. even if he feels the way he feels (which many times is an accurate assessment), you don't go out and publically say stuff like that. it just makes things worse.

and Wade already said nothing is going to change. so your coaching staff is obviously in disagreement. why publically question your coaching staff like that?

why should the players respond to the coaches when the owner, the guy cutting their checks, is questioning the coach?

its just a bad idea to be so forthcoming to the media, especially right now when pressure is at an all time high this season on the team to perform. youre just making it tougher on your team.

i don't get it.

You know, we've all become calous to it. We're never really surprised by what JJ does. I would be willing to bet he and Wade have already discussed it. Wade isn't going to tell the media if they were planning to make a strategic change like that. So I don't really view it as a blatant questioning of the coaches. I don't think JJ holds his toungue around the ranch; I don't think he makes a practice of waiting to use the media to relay a message to his staff.

Frankly, I'm glad he said it because he's right! MBIII was at his best when he was a closer. He obviously hasn't been as effective over the last couple of years. STill a good player, but he's just getting too many carries.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I agree with you. My point was something to the effect that when Joe D is working through a fake in practice, he may ask Garrett what route would be best for this guy to run or something like that.

Yeah that could be true. I guess one way to figure it out is to ask coach Garrett when I see him or coach Campo. I am still waiting to ask on what happened with him and Newman. So that should be interesting.

But yeah if a coach asks for help people give it, but usually, from what I was taught you don't go butting into someone elses part of the ball.

[D-Unit]

Yeah that could be true. I guess one way to figure it out is to ask coach Garrett when I see him or coach Campo. I am still waiting to ask on what happened with him and Newman. So that should be interesting.

But yeah if a coach asks for help people give it, but usually, from what I was taught you don't go butting into someone elses part of the ball.
I'm glad we have you here to help clarify things for us.

[M.O.T.H.]

If they wanted to add that wrinkle, you bet it would be Garrett who drew it up. Guaranteed. It was discussed as much earlier in the year when he said, he was working on some potential plays for Crayton, when he was working to be our holder. Garrett has more control then many know.

It may end up being a group deal coming from the top but, if you think it would be Decamillis' idea, now that's just silly.

[M.O.T.H.]

I have no problem with JJ bitching this year. He's probably reiterating what his son says in private. I'm glad he's come out and said he's not happy with the use of our running game. There were signs that he was nervous about Garrett when the season began (attempting to sign Dan Reeves) and it does seem like he's been souring on him. It took forever for him to take notice that Garrett abandons the run all too frequently and Felix is terribly under used. I'm just glad he's finally calling Garrett out on these matters. Maybe a public setting isnt the best place to do so, but Garrett has been a stubborn guy...maybe that's the only way he'll get the point.

[M.O.T.H.]

Yeah that could be true. I guess one way to figure it out is to ask coach Garrett when I see him or coach Campo. I am still waiting to ask on what happened with him and Newman. So that should be interesting.

But yeah if a coach asks for help people give it, but usually, from what I was taught you don't go butting into someone elses part of the ball.

Any idea on the next time you'll be seeing him?

[bigbluedefense]

but publically questioning your coaches hurts their credibility in the lockerroom.

Why should a player listen to what a coach is trying to sell him if the owner isn't buying it himself?


If you want to play team football, everybody has to buy in, even if what the coach is selling is wrong. The individualism in the cowboy organization is a big part of the December slumps.

[M.O.T.H.]

but publically questioning your coaches hurts their credibility in the lockerroom.

Why should a player listen to what a coach is trying to sell him if the owner isn't buying it himself?


If you want to play team football, everybody has to buy in, even if what the coach is selling is wrong. The individualism in the cowboy organization is a big part of the December slumps.

I wouldnt be surprised if JJ has confronted Garrett about all these things in private before to no avail. I agree it's not the best way to do things at all...but, JG has been proven to be terribly stubborn with his play calling in his short time here. Maybe it's JJ just getting desperate, trying to pressure Garrett into changing. I wouldnt worry about any potential locker room rifts...but I still agree, it's not the best way to go about it.

[M.O.T.H.]

Anyway, what JJ has pretty much been eluding to is...he essentially wants Felix to start and Marion to finish. Without saying as much, exactly. And I actually agree here.

[D-Unit]

but publically questioning your coaches hurts their credibility in the lockerroom.

Why should a player listen to what a coach is trying to sell him if the owner isn't buying it himself?


If you want to play team football, everybody has to buy in, even if what the coach is selling is wrong. The individualism in the cowboy organization is a big part of the December slumps.
If you were to ask any single player about it, I doubt they'd feel that any respect was loss. Everyone knows Jerry's style. Any other GM, and maybe their players have those feelings... but in Dallas... this is just how things are done.

The real problem is that we don't play a complete game. Some days our offense is the problem and the defense does good... the next week, the opposite happens. I thought we finally got it together against Oakland, but we reverted back against a better opponent. With a tough schedule ahead, we have to be good in all 3 phases of the game.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Any idea on the next time you'll be seeing him?

Well I know the old man, Jim Garrett more. But I met all 4 of the brothers this summer. I managed to somehow, through the father, and a common coach, my name on the list for coaches for his charity all day coaching event. So I guess I will see next year. Not sure about the old man. I have his number and all, but I don't really bother him. He is always busy running camps with local HS studs in their side yard. Guys like Brown, Knowshon and them all used to come get coached up by Jim Garrett.

But maybe next late spring/early summer, if I get an invite back again, which I hope, I will be able to see them all there.

As for Coach Campo, that's rare, but we share a common friend. My dad's really good friend was Camp's roommate in college. So if I usually want an autograph or have a question. I ask Mr. R. and he calls up Camp.

But if I see them or I am able I can float some questions out there. Some of the questions I know the answer to and so if I ask i don't want them to look at me like I am some fool, especially if I want him to take me on his staff, if he ever gets a Hcing job. But in general, I can try to word these questions so that he doesn't look at me like I am a fool for asking some of these questions.

[M.O.T.H.]

Well I know the old man, Jim Garrett more. But I met all 4 of the brothers this summer. I managed to somehow, through the father, and a common coach, my name on the list for coaches for his charity all day coaching event. So I guess I will see next year. Not sure about the old man. I have his number and all, but I don't really bother him. He is always busy running camps with local HS studs in their side yard. Guys like Brown, Knowshon and them all used to come get coached up by Jim Garrett.

But maybe next late spring/early summer, if I get an invite back again, which I hope, I will be able to see them all there.

As for Coach Campo, that's rare, but we share a common friend. My dad's really good friend was Camp's roommate in college. So if I usually want an autograph or have a question. I ask Mr. R. and he calls up Camp.

But if I see them or I am able I can float some questions out there. Some of the questions I know the answer to and so if I ask i don't want them to look at me like I am some fool, especially if I want him to take me on his staff, if he ever gets a Hcing job. But in general, I can try to word these questions so that he doesn't look at me like I am a fool for asking some of these questions.

Jim Garrett ever talk to you about Todd Lowber? He loved that kid. haha. He was terrible, though.

Anyway, that's awesome. I hope you get your big beak into the profession...then I can use you as an inside source. lol. jk. Or maybe I can be a special internet advisor. yeah? :D

But really, it's pretty sweet that you've gotten to work with all those guys. Had to be a great experience. Who did you say was at that one camp? Didnt you say it was JG, Miles, and who else?

[M.O.T.H.]

Marty B is out this week. I wonder what is more likely...seeing more Crayton and potentially Hurd this week or John Phillips basically just stepping in completely for Bennett. Garrett obviously likes Phillips...he's been playing him a lot this season. But we have been lining Bennett up in the slot in the majority of our shotgun formations the last few weeks. It will be interesting to see which way we go.

[Macarthur]

Maybe we see more Ogletree with Bennett out?

[Macarthur]

If they wanted to add that wrinkle, you bet it would be Garrett who drew it up. Guaranteed. It was discussed as much earlier in the year when he said, he was working on some potential plays for Crayton, when he was working to be our holder. Garrett has more control then many know.

It may end up being a group deal coming from the top but, if you think it would be Decamillis' idea, now that's just silly.


Silly?

I think you sell Joe D short. He has respect in this league and has skins on the wall. JG is a good guy and he's not going to go over to special teams just to mark his territory. Joe D probably doesn't need JG to "design" trick plays for him. I"m sure he's seen it all. I don't see it as an issue of Garrett having 'power' as it is that he respects his other coaches and isn't going to needlessly over step his bounds. What's he got to gain?

[M.O.T.H.]

Maybe we see more Ogletree with Bennett out?

Yeah my bad, I forgot to mention him. It's def. possible, he gets in there every once in a while. Hurd has been used exclusively as a blocker for 5 straight weeks now, where as they've had Ogletree run a few routes. I dont know what we'll do exactly. I would love to see some 5 WR sets, we only did it once all year with all 5 wide receivers.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Jim Garrett ever talk to you about Todd Lowber? He loved that kid. haha. He was terrible, though.

Anyway, that's awesome. I hope you get your big beak into the profession...then I can use you as an inside source. lol. jk. Or maybe I can be a special internet advisor. yeah? :D

But really, it's pretty sweet that you've gotten to work with all those guys. Had to be a great experience. Who did you say was at that one camp? Didnt you say it was JG, Miles, and who else?

No, I was busy getting grilled in the hardest interview of my life. And then he talked Giants football with me, and players like Eli,and who he liked Bradshaw a lot. Then talked about TO and Johnson and who as a backup he was somehow gun shy. The guy is a huge legend though. He played, coached, and was in personnel in this league. Triple threat i guess it's called. He is like 80 i guess so he knows everyone in the league. It's fun to hear him talk about football. I will never ever forget that interview though. I was literally sweating.

Thanks man. Yeah well it's between Garrett and the Falcons. Unless i can get on with another team after this season. So these guys will keep their ears open. But just waiting now until the offseason and then going to call Coach Smith, in Atlanta up, and see if I can come on and watch their draft process. That interests me a lot. But we will see, I am trying like hell to get a foot in the door.

Yeah, Old Browns Coach Sam Ritglianio, Miles, Jason, old Dallas TE ( forgot his name), Florida state coaching staff, Former Eagles WR Hess ( forgot his name), 4 Garrett brothers, and I think some other Dallas coaches, and some HS coaches that knew them. Also, some guys from college who played with Jason and remained friends. The Princeton coaching staff was there helping too, from the HC on down. So that was cool too, because I had emailed him about a GA spot a long while ago, so he remembered me.

So we all coached inner city kids all day long, and then each team played each other. Coach Garrett made a playbook based on the system you guys run in Dallas, and we learned it, taught it to the kids, and then competed. It was a great time, but it was pouring.

I ended up with your TE coach John Garrett, and the former Eagles WR, Hess. JG was the HC/OC and I was the TE coach, which I coached before. So I guess that was his way of seeing how I interacted with these guys and he can see how I do upclose. I am guessing that was the Jim Garretts idea.

But it was fun got to chill with miles afterwards and talked to Witten for a while who is really quiet. He had a tough upbringing but very humble and cool guy. Doesn't look that big or jacked though as I thought. I thought Tony G, when I met him looked incredibly jacked. That guy is all muscle, but another very, very cool guy. Last thing I told Miles when I saw him was make NJ proud.

[M.O.T.H.]

Silly?

I think you sell Joe D short. He has respect in this league and has skins on the wall. JG is a good guy and he's not going to go over to special teams just to mark his territory. Joe D probably doesn't need JG to "design" trick plays for him. I"m sure he's seen it all. I don't see it as an issue of Garrett having 'power' as it is that he respects his other coaches and isn't going to needlessly over step his bounds. What's he got to gain?

I wasnt making it out to be some kind of power trip. Garrett was the one drawing up potential trick plays for Crayton when he was actually the favorite to hold so, if Romo was out there...it would more than likely be the same. He may even have a few things drawn up already from back then.

And the idea of a trick play would come from Wade or Garrett, not Decamillis. Not a knock on Decamillis but, I'm sure that's where it would originate from, and Garrett who isnt just exclusively an O Coord. would certainly work closely with the ST unit and his QB, to draw up a play and make sure they execute.

[M.O.T.H.]

lol. Very nice Boss + Manning = Banning. (I hate typing your long name, by the way :))

I'm actually a big John Garrett fan, believe it or not. He's got a good head on his shoulders.

Was the old Cowboys TE David Lafleur? That'd be awesome. haha.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

lol. Very nice Boss + Manning = Banning. (I hate typing your long name, by the way :))

I'm actually a big John Garrett fan, believe it or not. He's got a good head on his shoulders.

Was the old Cowboys TE David Lafleur? That'd be awesome. haha.

No, he looked like late 30s maybe early 40s.. I guess count back.. Witten, before him, before him.. I can't remember his name.

Hehe usually people type SMS, but now I guess call me Boss or BMB. Before BBD used to call me Shock. No need to type it all out.

Yeah John is really a chill guy. Smart coach, and I never heard him curse. He always used to say, For god sake, lol. It was pretty funny. One of the other coaches who is the common friend said that he and Jim are very similar. But John is a cool guy and very nice. I asked him about Bennett and his progress and he said he was happy and coming along.

That family is tight with JJ, which is why I feel that he would be a good fit for HC. Also, JJ can take the credit, it won't bother JG because of his personality. He just needs a good DC and OC under him. Going from coordinator to HC is a totally different game.


Not sure about Jason and what he does with special teams. He may have a hand in it, but you should know special teams coaches unless they ask control that part of practice and run everything. I haven't seen at any level where an OC would stick his neck into that phase without the special teams coach asking. Normally the special teams coach gets help from coaches during practice to get lines up, but the special teams coach is in charge and that's his show.

That's called the specialists part of practice, usually the first thing or period before practice starts.

[LizardState]

old Dallas TE ( forgot his name)

Just guessing here, Billy Joe Dupree?? Mike Freaking Ditka!?? Both wore 89, both TEs in Dallas. I may be accurate if the elder Garrett is like 80 yrs. old. He was the head scout at Dallas forever ( Jason literally grew up in the shadow of the Cowboys), he probably dates back to the 60s when Dallas was the 1st team to implement those new-fangled computer thingies to evaluate talent before the draft.

[D-Unit]

Our Mystery Man will finally play...

Rookie linebacker Jason Williams, the Cowboys' first pick in the April draft, has not played since Oct. 11 at Kansas City but will be back on the field Sunday against San Diego because of the injury to tight end Martellus Bennett.

With John Phillips expected to see more tight end work, the Cowboys need to fill in some special teams' holes and Williams will get the call.

"Hopefully I can lock down a job on special teams and get that going," said Williams, who did not make a tackle in either of his two appearances this year.

Williams admits the transition to inside linebacker has been difficult, as has been watching.

"The first few weeks were really hard because at that point I didn't understand why," Williams said. "But as it's gone on I've just taken it as a learning experience."

Coach Wade Phillips said Williams has made strides even if it hasn't been in games.

"I think he's learning to be a pro and that takes a little while for some guys," Phillips said. "He's learned to work in practice and make plays in practice that can carry over to him being able to play. He's played a lot of scout team work but he's working with our defense. We work him in our defensive calls. I see him getting better and better. I like his attitude."

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/jason-williams-anxious-for-sunday-to-com.html

[MetSox17]

Tony Romo is back doing holding duties on the kicking team. Not sure how i feel about that, but apparently McBriar is being blamed as the cause for Folk's kicking troubles.

[D-Unit]

We need the Falcons to win so the Saints sit their starters instead of trying to maintain their undefeated record.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Just guessing here, Billy Joe Dupree?? Mike Freaking Ditka!?? Both wore 89, both TEs in Dallas. I may be accurate if the elder Garrett is like 80 yrs. old. He was the head scout at Dallas forever ( Jason literally grew up in the shadow of the Cowboys), he probably dates back to the 60s when Dallas was the 1st team to implement those new-fangled computer thingies to evaluate talent before the draft.

No, the TE is probably late 30s, early 40s.. So I guess maybe Troy, Emmitt era of playing since they are around that age.

[Ward]

Novacek for the win.

[crisco0710]

Yeah I could have told you it was Novacek. I remember going to his football camp when I was a younging.

[dpl85]

If teams want to have success against our D all they have to do is throw it up to whichever WR that Newman and Sensabaugh are attempting to cover.

[thule]

I GUARANTEE a victory this week!

....whoopssss

[thule]

I'm starting to get a crazy idea. If we fail to make the playoffs and our offense keeps on putting up the yards.

I have this crazy idea that Wade is let go by Jerry. Stating well we love Wade and what he did here during the season however the Dallas Cowboys expectations are superbowl wins.

This is when he announces that Jason Garrett who ran the #3 ranked offense in the NFL is going to be the head coach because of what he did with this offense and Tony Romo.

Call me crazy but I can definately see this happening. My main cause for concern isn't JG at the top...but who the OC and DC become.

John Garrett seems like a likely fit at OC....but I'd really love to get an experienced guy.

And who is now DC? Campo stay around due to his ties with the team? That would be my first guess.

I guess something to think about are what ties does JG have. Cam Cameron and Dom Capers would have this team in a superbowl had JG gotten the job originally imo....who are the other guys that have ties that are worth mentioning?

[M.O.T.H.]

Well Garrett was always supposed to be the next HC but, I think lately...Jones has been souring on him. Publicly questioning him about the running game over and over. If we get to the playoffs and win a game or two...maybe Wade can still save his job and possibly even see an extension. This is looking less likely with every coming week, however. If we go one and done in the playoffs, I think it's Garret's job. If we dont make the playoffs at all...I dont think he goes to Garrett. I think he'll look outside of the organization, actually. And I would hope that is the case as well. Personally, I dont have a major problem with Garrett becoming the HC, so long as he doesnt continue to call the plays, which he probably would. So, I'm not really feeling it. It's not like Garrett deserves the job either.

Like we were talking about, about a week ago...the best case scenario imo, is that we make the playoffs, win a game or two and someone takes Garrett off our hands, so we can add a vet O Coord.

[ricowboy]

Once again the Boys lose when it counts. Again, the coaching staff is the issue. Wade and Garrett are not suited for there roles. They fail to prepare this team every week. They cannot adjust during the game. For the second consecutive season oppossing defenses are saying how predicatable the offense is. Also, Wade appears to be overwhelmed by his role of HC and DC. Talent has gotten us to 9-7 last season. This season appears to be 8-8 at worst. The only question left is who will be the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys? I vote for Shannahan.

[bigbluedefense]

I stand by my statement that Rivers is overrated. Again, I'm not saying he's bad, he's a great qb, but he's an overrated one.

He just throws it up there and watches his towers come down with it. Thats why he has so many TDs and yards.

Put him on a poor weather team, give him small targets and some wind, and he'd be exposed.

His explosive offense around him fits him perfectly. He's in the perfect situation.


That said, he's still a great qb. He makes plays and is clutch. Gets the ball out fast too.


You guys lost bc you didn't run it down their throats. The only times you drove the ball was when you ran it down their throats. They couldn't stop the run all game. Shouldve ran it all day.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I thought JG called a good game yesterday. I wasn't a fan of the 4th and goal play to Barber, because he didn't have that much room to get steam. But overall I think he has good concepts, which he uses from every formation. That damn draw play is a good play too. We need to do that out of Ace rather than shotgun to add variety to our offense.

[bigbluedefense]

I thought JG called a good game yesterday. I wasn't a fan of the 4th and goal play to Barber, because he didn't have that much room to get steam. But overall I think he has good concepts, which he uses from every formation. That damn draw play is a good play too. We need to do that out of Ace rather than shotgun to add variety to our offense.

I think his 1 mistake was he didn't realize until later in the game how effective the run was for his offense. The only times they moved it down field were when they just ran it over and over again.

If he stuck with that all game, they might have won. I can't fault him for that goalline stand.

All season they wanted him to run it at the goalline. Well he gave the offense 4 chances, and they came up empty.

[FreshBoy!]

I thought JG called a good game yesterday. I wasn't a fan of the 4th and goal play to Barber, because he didn't have that much room to get steam. But overall I think he has good concepts, which he uses from every formation. That damn draw play is a good play too. We need to do that out of Ace rather than shotgun to add variety to our offense.

Yea, I'm really not all that upset with JG. Some missed opportunities but those fall on the players. It's crazy because the 'boys just can't keep it all together on both sides of the ball. I don't remember the last time when I thought that both Wade & JG called a good game at the same time.

Any chance in hell our defense steps up without Ware to beat the Saints this saturday?

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Well Garrett was always supposed to be the next HC but, I think lately...Jones has been souring on him. Publicly questioning him about the running game over and over. If we get to the playoffs and win a game or two...maybe Wade can still save his job and possibly even see an extension. This is looking less likely with every coming week, however. If we go one and done in the playoffs, I think it's Garret's job. If we dont make the playoffs at all...I dont think he goes to Garrett. I think he'll look outside of the organization, actually. And I would hope that is the case as well. Personally, I dont have a major problem with Garrett becoming the HC, so long as he doesnt continue to call the plays, which he probably would. So, I'm not really feeling it. It's not like Garrett deserves the job either.

Like we were talking about, about a week ago...the best case scenario imo, is that we make the playoffs, win a game or two and someone takes Garrett off our hands, so we can add a vet O Coord.



The question is who does JJ go to as the next HC? I don't see a lot of other possibilities.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Yea, I'm really not all that upset with JG. Some missed opportunities but those fall on the players. It's crazy because the 'boys just can't keep it all together on both sides of the ball. I don't remember the last time when I thought that both Wade & JG called a good game at the same time.

Any chance in hell our defense steps up without Ware to beat the Saints this saturday?

I am not saying JG is flawless but from the games I have seen it seems like things are exaggerated. It's not like you guys have Gilbride or Hufangel running the show here. Like I said I thought that 4th down call was bush league. I would have gone to that play action toss play you used against us. But then again you did use it, so maybe another designed play. Or a play action to Witten is always a good call. But overall I thought he called a good game. You guys use Austin and of course witten really well. And the draw will always be there since you are a passing team. Teams have to honor that and therefore that draw is a pain in the neck to defend against.

I'd say no.. But the saints are showing cracks, and the more tape that's out available against them the more chance there is to beat them.

[FreshBoy!]

Yea, there's quite a bit of exaggeration and Sky is falling'isms during the games. He's been pretty decent since GB. He's been getting Roy pretty involved and using him in slants, which is what everyone was calling for. Austin & Witten in great matchups, and keeping Romo from making stupid mistakes.

[herniateddisc]

Other than last minute give-ups this team is havnig problems scoring 20 points and you like Garrett?

All you need to know about how bad Garrett is -- look at third down conversions and the struggles the team is having getting anyone open who is not Austin.

Worse yet, he does not ride his hot players for TDs by putting them in winning situations. Example, have we runa play action pass the last three weeks? Or a bomb/post?

JG runs a simplistic O and smart teams can shut us down pretty easy.

[FreshBoy!]

I never said I "LIKED" Garrett. I don't know how I feel about him returning, I'm just simply saying that I don't think he's been as bad as everyone is saying. A lot of the issues fall on the players not doing their part. It is what it is. I dunno...Maybe the team just isn't that great.

[bigbluedefense]

I'll say this: If you guys don't run like hell against NO, then JG needs some explaining to do.

We got our butts kicked against NO, but thats bc our defense gave away the game. We were able to run on them the few times we actually tried. If Dallas can come out and grind the clock and run like hell, this could be a game.

Dallas has to set the tone early though. And hope their defense holds up early.

But the plan on offense should be run, run, and run some more to start out the game.

[FreshBoy!]

Hahaa, JG will have some explaining to do then. I fully expect him to abandon the run and try to shoot it out with Brees.

[Macarthur]

D-Unit, I think I'm with you now on JG. I've defended him quite a bit. Now, I'm not putting this all on him because the players have to execute, but on those 4 goal line plays, you have to at least mix it up on one of those.

But really, JG is not the big issue here. Teams take on the personality of their leader. Wade is passive and complacent and this team is passive and complacent. They have no killer instinct and as Romo said, they have no attention to detail. That's coaching.

D, it's time to start a new coach thread!

[D-Unit]

I wish Folk had made his FG. :/

[bigbluedefense]

i'm guessing Folk gets benched for Bueler this week.

who is going to start in place of Ware this week? Carp?

[FreshBoy!]

Wade just said they'll test out Bueler this week. Probably a week too late though:(

I'm guessing Victor Butler will start in place of Ware. Let's see if this rookie can play. Definitely has big shoes to fill.

[Macarthur]

One thing that needs to happen next year is that Ogletree needs to take over for Crayton.

Crayton is steady, but we need more speed on the field.

[dpl85]

i'm guessing Folk gets benched for Bueler this week.

who is going to start in place of Ware this week? Carp?
Victor Butler most likely.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

D-Unit, I think I'm with you now on JG. I've defended him quite a bit. Now, I'm not putting this all on him because the players have to execute, but on those 4 goal line plays, you have to at least mix it up on one of those.

But really, JG is not the big issue here. Teams take on the personality of their leader. Wade is passive and complacent and this team is passive and complacent. They have no killer instinct and as Romo said, they have no attention to detail. That's coaching.

D, it's time to start a new coach thread!

Yeah well it was the 4th down call I had issues with. The rest is fine. Give props to the Chargers for stopping you. Barber was close couple times.

[D-Unit]

Barber usually flies over the pile. Where was that call?

[Macarthur]

What do you guys think about Ron Rivera?

[D-Unit]

What do you guys think about Ron Rivera?
Rather have others. Don't want us to be his guinea pig as his first run as HC.

[thule]

I just think JG will get the job. It would allow us to keep a lot of the same guys on our coaching staff in place. He isn't one of the big guys on the market but all of those guys want GM say it seems. Hell I'm not even sure what I'll feel if I'm right. But the fit is there a change will be made and the best case scenario is getting 2 vets to coordinate the game. I'm just not sure if that will happen I have a feeling we could see another Garrett at OC maybe.

[dpl85]

Hindsight being 20/20 watching T-New decline so fast really makes me wish Jerry had listened to Bill and drafted Kevin Williams who is a little younger and still playing at a very high level. Oh well Terence was very solid until this season.

[diesel]

Looking back I would have loved to have Singletary in here. He is the Anti-Wade. With Jerry running things we won't have a coach with heart until he is gone for good.

[D-Unit]

I just think JG will get the job. It would allow us to keep a lot of the same guys on our coaching staff in place. He isn't one of the big guys on the market but all of those guys want GM say it seems. Hell I'm not even sure what I'll feel if I'm right. But the fit is there a change will be made and the best case scenario is getting 2 vets to coordinate the game. I'm just not sure if that will happen I have a feeling we could see another Garrett at OC maybe.
If that happens, then we just prolong our losing and watch the players in their prime not win.

[D-Unit]

Looking back I would have loved to have Singletary in here. He is the Anti-Wade. With Jerry running things we won't have a coach with heart until he is gone for good.
Don't remind me. I lead that bandwagon.

I'm favoring Dom Capers myself right now. I think he could take us to the next level.

[diesel]

I know it's late but, did Steve Young compare Aikman to Alex Smith, Frank Gore to Emmitt Smith, and Michael Crabtree to Michael Irvin?

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and Vernon Davis to Jay Novacek?

[Ward]

Don't remind me. I lead that bandwagon.

I'm favoring Dom Capers myself right now. I think he could take us to the next level.

I can't remember where I stood and I'm afraid to look, but Singletary simply seems like the a no BS kinda guy. Also, there's got to be an advantage to having a coach who players will instinctively trust because they all know who the '85 Bears were. Singletary is new to the coaching ranks, but he's already a legend no matter what happens to his career now. So even without the coaching experience, he's got the resume. Given the results, it does seem obvious. Turner would even seem an upgrade...

Everything bad is somehow Jason Garrett's fault.

[D-Unit]

I can't remember where I stood and I'm afraid to look, but Singletary simply seems like the a no BS kinda guy. Also, there's got to be an advantage to having a coach who players will instinctively trust because they all know who the '85 Bears were. Singletary is new to the coaching ranks, but he's already a legend no matter what happens to his career now. So even without the coaching experience, he's got the resume. Given the results, it does seem obvious. Turner would even seem an upgrade...

Everything bad is somehow Jason Garrett's fault.
My wife could be wearing Granny panties tonight, it would be Jason Garrett's fault! LOL.

Seriously cannot put up with him any longer... but I know I have to.

I thought we had a chance when Jerry interviewed Singletary. I was really really hoping. Started a Singletary for Dallas HC sig petition for kicks! It was hilarious. Jerry passed up on character and instead chose experience. Such a weak argument. Mike would've been perfect. His 3-4 Defense has been working just fine in San Fran with way less talent. Seriously though... I think it came down to Jason Garrett and Garrett being more easily acceptable to coaching under an experienced HC in Wade than an inexperience HC in Singletary.

[Ward]

Also, I used the word 'success', and what I meant to say was 'relative success' or 'improvement'.

[FreshBoy!]

Jason Garrett for HC. I see it as a win/win if we can pull in a veteran OC/DC. Which I'm sure won't be easy with Jerry at the helm, but I don't see the whole Garrett is the reason for our failures like everyone else does. I have a huge feeling if he's fired he'll leave and become the next Sparano/Payton.

[dpl85]

The owner and general manager should never be the same person. I'm not aware of any other team that has this set up.

[Macarthur]

Rather have others. Don't want us to be his guinea pig as his first run as HC.

What others?

[D-Unit]

What others?

San Diego fans are honestly hoping Wade comes back as their new DC. They don't even like Rivera.

I like Capers, cowher, shanny has some pros and cons... If Del Rio is fired, I like him...

[Macarthur]

I'm not too keen on Capers. I think Cowher is overrated. Shanny I think would be a solid hire. Del Rio is an interesting name.

[LonghornsLegend]

Garrett has done nothing the past 2 years to prove he should, or could be a good HC for us. Last week he called a good game IMO, but HC is a whole new ball game that I don't think he's ready for. If we don't make some major coaching changes it'll be the same thing every year. There are too many teams with better records, or playing better with less talent.


Sad that we are wasting a great year by Romo in which I think he could do some damage in the playoffs and we'll likely not even make it.


I like Shanny the most right now, he'd do wonders for Romo.

[Ward]

The owner and general manager should never be the same person. I'm not aware of any other team that has this set up.

http://thesportsunion.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/al_davis_a.jpg

Your 2nd statement is wrong, but it makes your 1st statement that much more correct.

[bigbluedefense]

Some of you guys are giving up on the playoffs already?

You do realize youre 1 game ahead of the Giants, and could possibly play an Eagles team at the end of the season that will rest its starters?

The Giants still have the Skins who have played VERY well lately, Panthers (should be a win) and Vikings. If the Vikings play their starters, and or if we lose to the skins, youre probably makin it to the playoffs.

The Giants need a serious chokejob by Dallas to get in.

I see the Giants going 9-7, which means Dallas has to lose 2 more to blow this.

[LonghornsLegend]

Some of you guys are giving up on the playoffs already?

You do realize youre 1 game ahead of the Giants, and could possibly play an Eagles team at the end of the season that will rest its starters?

The Giants still have the Skins who have played VERY well lately, Panthers (should be a win) and Vikings. If the Vikings play their starters, and or if we lose to the skins, youre probably makin it to the playoffs.

The Giants need a serious chokejob by Dallas to get in.

I see the Giants going 9-7, which means Dallas has to lose 2 more to blow this.


If we lose to NO, and you guys win out, you make it in right? I don't even see Minny playing a full game to end the season vs you guys.


I honestly don't have any hope of playoffs, this team has shown that we shouldn't get our hopes up anyway. I'd love for them to prove me wrong but until it happens there is no shame in me being as pessimistic as possible about the outcome.

[bigbluedefense]

If we lose to NO, and you guys win out, you make it in right? I don't even see Minny playing a full game to end the season vs you guys.


I honestly don't have any hope of playoffs, this team has shown that we shouldn't get our hopes up anyway. I'd love for them to prove me wrong but until it happens there is no shame in me being as pessimistic as possible about the outcome.

That is correct. If you lose and we win out, we're in. But I don't see us winning out. This Giants team has shown that its very erratic. The only "playoff caliber" team we've beaten all season has been the Cowboys.

I don't think its a guarantee we beat the Redskins. The Skins are winless in our division. What are the chances that they go 0-6 in the division? That scares me. I think one of our teams is going to lose to them.

Thats why I think we may go 9-7. We're going to lose one of these games that we're supposed to win. Which in my eyes, means you guys have to lose to NO and either Washington or Philly.

Thats going to be tough. And the way NO has been playing, losing to them is no guarantee either. NO is banged up and can be had right now.

[Macarthur]

I'm not giving up, but even if we do, I don't see us making a deep run and I think JJ has seen enough from Wade.

I think we still probably make it in, but we have to go to Philly most likely. I have no confidence in this team going to Philly winning a playoff game.

[nrcirc]

Some of you guys are giving up on the playoffs already?

You do realize youre 1 game ahead of the Giants, and could possibly play an Eagles team at the end of the season that will rest its starters?

The Giants still have the Skins who have played VERY well lately, Panthers (should be a win) and Vikings. If the Vikings play their starters, and or if we lose to the skins, youre probably makin it to the playoffs.

The Giants need a serious chokejob by Dallas to get in.

I see the Giants going 9-7, which means Dallas has to lose 2 more to blow this.

Yeah, it is good time to talk about changing Coach. But, It is a lot of if there. If we won the next three games, we will win the division.
If we won the last two games, and the Giants won all three, and Eagles won one for the remaining season, all three teams will tired and all three team management need to do the math, see who will win the division, who will be the wildcard, and who will package home.

[D-Unit]

Well BBD, would it really be a choke job considering the difficulty of schedule? If we're heavily favored and we lose then fine, but I doubt that will be the case. Right now making the playoffs is in major limbo. The G-men have a cupcake schedule.

That said. I'll be the first to say that Dallas will beat NOR this weekend.

[bigbluedefense]

If Dallas beats NO, I'm almost positive that would be the end of the Giants chances.

I think this could very well come down to the last game of the season. I love it, and hate it at the same time.

[dpl85]

http://thesportsunion.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/al_davis_a.jpg

Your 2nd statement is wrong, but it makes your 1st statement that much more correct.
Haha, I remembered about Al after I posted that but I wasn't sure if he had the official title of owner/gm like Jerry but he obviously has the final say so it's the same scenario.

[dpl85]

[QUOTE=bigbluedefense;1924749]Some of you guys are giving up on the playoffs already?

You do realize youre 1 game ahead of the Giants, and could possibly play an Eagles team at the end of the season that will rest its starters?

The Giants still have the Skins who have played VERY well lately, Panthers (should be a win) and Vikings. If the Vikings play their starters, and or if we lose to the skins, youre probably makin it to the playoffs.

The Giants need a serious chokejob by Dallas to get in.

I see the Giants going 9-7, which means Dallas has to lose 2 more to blow this.[/QUOTE/]

I would be mildly surprised if we won more than one more game. I can't see us beating New Orleans or Philly and Washington is playing pretty well and we only beat them by 1 point at home.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Well BBD, would it really be a choke job considering the difficulty of schedule? If we're heavily favored and we lose then fine, but I doubt that will be the case. Right now making the playoffs is in major limbo. The G-men have a cupcake schedule.

That said. I'll be the first to say that Dallas will beat NOR this weekend.

cupcake schedule with for a cupcake defense. So basically we have to play our games like a shootout. I been on a staff where the defense wasn't good. The offense pretty much goes into the game,and coaches as if the defense can't protect the lead so put the foot on the gas and hope the defense comes up big. We had times where the HC/DC would come to us and tell us we can't stop anyone so you guys need to keep scoring. That's a lot of pressure for our side of the ball, but I would suspect Coughlin and the offensive staff have to go into these games thinking they need to be in a shootout to win, especially the way this defense is playing.

[crisco0710]

Folk is still our kicker. They tried Bueler out yesterday from 30-35 yards out and he missed all 3, 2 of them were horribly missed. Folk didn't do much better as he went 2-4 from the same spot.

[D-Unit]

Folk is still our kicker. They tried Bueler out yesterday from 30-35 yards out and he missed all 3, 2 of them were horribly missed. Folk didn't do much better as he went 2-4 from the same spot.

Hahhhhhahahaahahaha. Face palm.

[Ward]

http://www.beloblog.com/wfaasports/wade-phillips.jpg

[diesel]

Only a matter of time before they tried to pull Tony Romo into this Tiger Woods mess.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/17/tiger-woods-tony-romo-u2-concert-dallas-cowboys-stadium-photos-pictures-elin-nordegren/

[E-Man]

Folk is still our kicker. They tried Bueler out yesterday from 30-35 yards out and he missed all 3, 2 of them were horribly missed. Folk didn't do much better as he went 2-4 from the same spot.

Hahhhhhahahaahahaha. Face palm.

http://www.beloblog.com/wfaasports/wade-phillips.jpg

As sad as this is, it's funny as hell. This reminds me so much of the 2005 season. If they had just an average kicker they would have been anywhere from 11-5 to 13-3. Maybe Folk's surgery has hampered him a ton this season. He was so clutch in his first two years, and he's young so I wouldn't want him to be cut for just having one bad year.

[E-Man]

Some of you guys are giving up on the playoffs already?

You do realize youre 1 game ahead of the Giants, and could possibly play an Eagles team at the end of the season that will rest its starters?

The Giants still have the Skins who have played VERY well lately, Panthers (should be a win) and Vikings. If the Vikings play their starters, and or if we lose to the skins, youre probably makin it to the playoffs.

The Giants need a serious chokejob by Dallas to get in.

I see the Giants going 9-7, which means Dallas has to lose 2 more to blow this.

Playoffs? Playoffs? Right now I just hope we can win a game!


lol I just had to do that.

[thule]

Playoffs are simple for me at this point.

If either the Giants or Eagles lose a game in the next 2 weeks we are going to have a good shot at getting in.

[thule]

God I hope we sign him.

The Cowboys worked out five players on Thursday, including veteran cornerback Chris McAlister, who spent part of this season with New Orleans.

I wanted him back in FA...he would give us veteran depth something we are in need of with Ball at safety now.

[dpl85]

We should sign McAlister. He's still got a couple good years in him I think.

[D-Unit]

Big name ... Wouldn't expect a lot, but I'm fine with that.

Points to signs that CB might be a first round need. ;)

[dpl85]

Can we realistically cut Newman after this season if there really is going to be no cap soon?

[thule]

Can we realistically cut Newman after this season if there really is going to be no cap soon?

I don't see why you cut him. I mean sure you can...but it still is going to cost Jerry money. Hell he is a good punt returner you might as well let him do that and play nickel/dime packages imo before cutting him and getting no return on your investment.

[dpl85]

Yeah I guess you're right he's a decent returner but pretty damn bad as a CB now.

[Macarthur]

Why the hell don't we use him as a returner?

[diesel]

Why the hell don't we use him as a returner?

Injuries, one of the very last things we need is Newman to go down. He isn't quite what he used to be but he is one of our best CB's. It's happened to us before Newman tries to return a kick and gets completely nailed and is out for the game, I believe it was a concussion.

[D-Unit]

I have a feeling that after Saturday we'll be talking a lot about how we need to fix our secondary.

[Macarthur]

Injuries, one of the very last things we need is Newman to go down. He isn't quite what he used to be but he is one of our best CB's. It's happened to us before Newman tries to return a kick and gets completely nailed and is out for the game, I believe it was a concussion.

I fully understand why, but I think it's a wrong approach. Seriously, I don't know this for sure, but I don't think returners get injured all that often. They get their bell rung from time to time, but Philly doesn't worry about getting their best WR hurt returning punts.

[thule]

Mac I'm totaly with you. I also think teams like the vikings last year should have Adrian Peterson back returning. Injuries are a part of the game but you get your dynamic playmakers the ball however you can.

However that said....Philly has proven they don't need great WR to get it done...dallas hasn't proved they can play without great corners.

[D-Unit]

I think Felix is our most dynamic weapon. Love him on kick returns, wish he was in on punt returns, but you usually want a guy with great catching skills to do that and maybe Felix lacks there.

[thule]

I think Felix is our most dynamic weapon. Love him on kick returns, wish he was in on punt returns, but you usually want a guy with great catching skills to do that and maybe Felix lacks there.

They have tried him there in TC and he just has problems judging the ball and making a clean catch.

[NOLAFan]

Anyone know whether Ware will be playing or is it game time decision?


Good luck tomorrow. Hopefully this will be a good game.

[D-Unit]

They have tried him there in TC and he just has problems judging the ball and making a clean catch.

Unfortunately Crayton's 2 TD returns have secured his job. I think he's just got everyone fooled.

[LonghornsLegend]

Injuries, one of the very last things we need is Newman to go down. He isn't quite what he used to be but he is one of our best CB's. It's happened to us before Newman tries to return a kick and gets completely nailed and is out for the game, I believe it was a concussion.

Newman is one of our best corners by default and nothing more. Obviously we would lose out by him being gone, but he sucks now to be nice about it. He is abused week in and out.


Matter of fact, it makes me shudder to think about how bad Meachem is going to abuse him ALL GAME Saturday night(assuming Jenkins has Colston which will probably happen)....Newman is slow now, can't react as fast, and makes very little plays on the ball anymore. Meachem is going to have a field day on him, mark it down.

[dpl85]

Anyone know whether Ware will be playing or is it game time decision?


Good luck tomorrow. Hopefully this will be a good game.

I would be surprised if he didn't play given the importance of the game but it is a game time decision.

[thule]

Anyone know whether Ware will be playing or is it game time decision?


Good luck tomorrow. Hopefully this will be a good game.

He was listed as questionable and is a gametime decision.

[bored of education]

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15342


If I was Dallas' GM who would wanna make love to me?

[Ward]

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15342


If I was Dallas' GM who would wanna make love to me?

I could live with DeSean Jackson & Chris Johnson.

[dpl85]

I'm kinda bored so I thought I'd ask all of the great Cowboys fans on here who aren't from Texas how and when they became fans of America's Team?

[thule]

I was born in Omaha and was a huskers fan. Naturally I saw a lot of cowboys games back in the glory days and became a fan since A) they were on tv a lot B) they were dominant

[dpl85]

I was born in Omaha and was a huskers fan. Naturally I saw a lot of cowboys games back in the glory days and became a fan since A) they were on tv a lot B) they were dominant
That's cool.

[pocketaces]

Being from OKC, they were always on tv and I loved their uniforms. I've been a fan since 1975

[pocketaces]

I could live with DeSean Jackson & Chris Johnson.

Chris Johnson is a stud but would he get more PT than Felix is getting? Would you take DeSean over Mike Jenkins?

[LonghornsLegend]

I'm kinda bored so I thought I'd ask all of the great Cowboys fans on here who aren't from Texas how and when they became fans of America's Team?

I was born in Pittsburgh with the rest of my family who are Steeler fans, but once I started watching football I was a huge Michael Irvin fan so was always attached to Dallas. Besides I liked to be different, I never liked rooting for the same team as my whole family, then my Dad moved here for a job when I was young and since I been here I been full blown for Cowboys and Longhorns football with a passion.

[D-Unit]

I'm kinda bored so I thought I'd ask all of the great Cowboys fans on here who aren't from Texas how and when they became fans of America's Team?
From Hawaii where we have no professional team, so we all get to choose who ever we want. Started liking them when I started caring about pro sports. My household was a 49er home and they still are, so naturally, I chose the other way. I started liking them when they had those rivalries with the 9ers and both teams had some big wins and hurtful loses... in the early to mid 90s. Since they won all those Super Bowls, they sealed my loyalty to them. Guess that makes me a bandwagon fan. It doesn't bother me. I feel like sticking with them since has more than proven that I'm way beyond that at this point. ...same with the Magic... I decided that I liked that Penny/Shaq team and the success they had and I've been cheering for them since. As for the Rangers... started liking them in 2000... after I was married, my wife and I visited her sister in Tyler, TX. Her sister married a Marine who was stationed in Hawaii, who was from TX. Vacationed with them, went to my first Cowboys game and went to a Rangers game too. From then, I was a Texas Rangers fan.

[dpl85]

How Bout Them Cowboys!!!! 13-1 Sounds Great!!! In The Immortal Words Of The Nature Boy Whooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

[NOLAFan]

You guys just dominated the hell outta us. Great game guys.

Good luck going forward into the playoffs

[FreshBoy!]

Folk needs to go!!!!

JG called a great game.

[dpl85]

Apparently it benefits the Cowboys if I watch most of the game from a strip club!?

[leroyisgod]

Apparently it benefits the Cowboys if I watch most of the game from a strip club!?

Keep it going