Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[thule]

Just to add to my arguement. Look at Tory Holt. He has had quite a few drops today. He is a "me" player. He is emotional. Yet he is a top WR in this league. I bet you wouldn't be asking for his head if he played for us. I just don't get where your coming from. The best WR's in the league are emotional. Thats what makes them the best. TO is under a magnifined glass so his mistakes are played out by the media more then any other player. Don't read into the media...otherwise it'll be a rollercoaster ride.

Yes Torry Holt has dropped passes tonight which is why the announcers are saying it's uncharacteristic for him, that's the difference. You expect TO to drop passes, from Holt you don't expect it. And Holt is emotional mostly in his head and with his play on the field, he isn't crazy emotional like TO. There aren't headlines of Holt sleeping in meetings, talking like he doesn't listen to the coach, or having any accidental overdoses. Where I am coming from is that TO is a time bomb, I know that sounds typical of the media but he is a basket case the sooner we realize this the better; and yes I would rather have Holt and would not be calling for his head because he wouldn't have a Sunday conversation talking about all of the flaws in the organization. Heart and stupidity are two different things. TO is under the magified glass which is why he should make an even bigger effort not to give the media a story but he gets enjoyment out of it. To take a quote for Bill, he sucks the media right in. It seems like to me you believe every word TO says when he tells people that everything he does is magnified and how much heart he has. Its all BS. I just hope we can get out this relationship before it gets to much worse. If he's back next year I will be very upset and will expect a lot of controversy. Year 1 you can usually get by with TO, year 2 your pushing it. Let's not push it.

Why take a cap hit on a player who has done everything you've asked of him. Your logic seems skewed. You honestly think JJ will release TO when TO has been a model citizen for us?

[CTCowboysFan]

Why take a cap hit on a player who has done everything you've asked of him. Your logic seems skewed. You honestly think JJ will release TO when TO has been a model citizen for us?

There actually wouldn't be much of a cap hit if one at all because TO signed a series of one year contracts, and at the end of each year the Cowboys can re-asess where they are at with Owens.

Anyways I would like to ask you one quick question.

Who would Jerry choose, Terrell Owens or Bill Parcells?

[Paul]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?

[bearsfan_51]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

[Paul]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

Oh thank god, I thought was gonna have to choke a *****.

[fryman]

Why wont Skyler just go away? :lol:

He is better than that linemen he replaced, but come on. It isn't like he is getting chances to return punts, and he wont get carries at RB.

[Paul]

Parcells must see something he likes.

That or he just needs to fill roster space.

[Ward]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

The problem is, if you live in UTEP, the Valley, and possibly even San Antonio/Austin, you won't be able to get the game without the NFL Network.

[Burns336]

Back on the subject of TO, i know he hasnt been as explosive for us as he was for the eagles a few years back, but come on now, would you rather have TO or Keyshawn. He does things for the offense that no one else can. Even if he doesnt get the ball hes still a great decoy which is helping glenn, crayton, and witten get unfavorable match ups.

the dude has heart and i really think he is trying for once. No major off field problems, no throwing team mates under the bus. Even though he may have excuses as ive heard some of you say, ive heard him take responsibility on the mic and say "I need to run better routes, I need to make the catches im supposed to make" hes owned up to his share of things.

I just think hes a different player than he was in the past, when julius broke that 77 yarder, he made an effort to sprint downfield to throw blocks. The phili or SF TO could give a rats ass if Julius scored or not, he was only worried about his own stats. I see him as much more of a team player now. Hes proved me wrong on many levels because i used to think he was just as bad as Randy Moss who is a real cancer.

I think the team likes him too, every time he score i see guys like Newman, Henry, and the LB's come bump him and slap high fives.

and most of all he has that electrifying factor. the crowd loves him when he does good.

[dpl85]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
It will be simulcast locally in DFW on ch. 21 just like the ESPN games used to be. Unfortunately for people that live in other parts of Texas and don't have NFL Network, well they're SOL. I don't see it as that big of a deal, why don't all the NFL fans just get Direct TV or Dish Network, I think the prices are pretty comparable with cable.

[bigmac076]

I have both NFL Network AND NFL Network HD on cable

[bearsfan_51]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

The problem is, if you live in UTEP, the Valley, and possibly even San Antonio/Austin, you won't be able to get the game without the NFL Network.
Now I'm no geography major, but isn't San Antonio/Austin numerous hours away from Dallas?

[dpl85]

For those of you who don't live in DFW and don't have NFL Network just go to your local Hooters, I'm sure they will be showing it and you get a great view.

[OTcoach]

J. Ferg. looked to be laboring quite a bit on Sunday night. I know M. Stanley was drafted last yr to back him up at NT do you guys see a 1st day pick being used to eventually replace him?

[Ward]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

The problem is, if you live in UTEP, the Valley, and possibly even San Antonio/Austin, you won't be able to get the game without the NFL Network.
Now I'm no geography major, but isn't San Antonio/Austin numerous hours away from Dallas?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Austin is 3 1/2, San Antonio something like 6 from Dallas. I live between Austin and San Antonio, and I don't expect to get the game without going to a bar.

[dpl85]

I think we can respond to the NO game one of two ways, one would be very good and one would be very bad. We could win out or lose out, it's all up to us. We control our own destiny. Well we could probably beat Detroit no matter what but to win the division and have a home playoff game we'll have to win out, I don't think the Giants will help us out in that regard.

CT, I agree with you on TO but I think we're the only ones. I'm getting pretty tired of the TO defenders blaming every stupid pretentious thing he says or does on the media. The media wouldn't ask him the questions if TO didn't have a well documented history of feeding the media with stupid pretentious statements and actions. TO is not a great WR, you can't lead the league in dropped passes and be a great WR. He is a very good WR bu to really make it worth it with all the baggage he carries he would have to be great.

[bearsfan_51]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

The problem is, if you live in UTEP, the Valley, and possibly even San Antonio/Austin, you won't be able to get the game without the NFL Network.
Now I'm no geography major, but isn't San Antonio/Austin numerous hours away from Dallas?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Austin is 3 1/2, San Antonio something like 6 from Dallas. I live between Austin and San Antonio, and I don't expect to get the game without going to a bar.
I guess it's just a matter of living in Texas. In the northeast or midwest and you live 4-5 hours away you're likely in another state or even region of the country. That would be like me upset that I can't watch Bears games living in Cleveland.

[dpl85]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

The problem is, if you live in UTEP, the Valley, and possibly even San Antonio/Austin, you won't be able to get the game without the NFL Network.
Now I'm no geography major, but isn't San Antonio/Austin numerous hours away from Dallas?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Austin is 3 1/2, San Antonio something like 6 from Dallas. I live between Austin and San Antonio, and I don't expect to get the game without going to a bar.
Do you have a cable company that doesn't carry NFL Network? That sucks, I'd go to Hooters if I were you, or maybe even to a "gentlemans club". :D

[CTCowboysFan]

I think we can respond to the NO game one of two ways, one would be very good and one would be very bad. We could win out or lose out, it's all up to us. We control our own destiny. Well we could probably beat Detroit no matter what but to win the division and have a home playoff game we'll have to win out, I don't think the Giants will help us out in that regard.

CT, I agree with you on TO but I think we're the only ones. I'm getting pretty tired of the TO defenders blaming every stupid pretentious thing he says or does on the media. The media wouldn't ask him the questions if TO didn't have a well documented history of feeding the media with stupid pretentious statements and actions. TO is not a great WR, you can't lead the league in dropped passes and be a great WR. He is a very good WR bu to really make it worth it with all the baggage he carries he would have to be great.

Exactly man. A lot of people fall into TO's trap, and I see right through him. He has an excuse for everything. He's either unhappy, or in the wrong environment or somebody hurt his feelings. Boo hoo, we don't need to every players personal lives, why does he feel like he has to share his. And yes TO is magnified like I said in a pervious post which is why he should make it harder for them to get a story out of him. Instead he gets enjoyment out of it. Which is why we are better off without him.

[cowboysforever]

Jim Rome said it best when he uses TO's comments about everything being perfect except no one luvs him SO he is still unhappy.

Funny cat that TO. I guess he wanted Parcells to be his dad or something.

Use the cap money for someone younger with bad hands who can still be coached .. one of the ATL guys or Williamson in Minnesota.

This cat is just plain crazy and a horrid team mate. No surprise that not one Offensive player went to his party. No surprise his best friends are alwasy on D or ancillary players.

[cowboysforever]

Any chance Cowboys move around some players in the offseason to get more speed on the field?

Granted we need a FS but how about Henry to FS and get one of the young corners in oppositte Newman?

Or try to trade some LB depth and move Carpenter inside to replace Ayodele and get Burnett in the weakside iwht Ware on the strong side?

[cowboysforever]

Also how about Spears to NT? Hatcher to RDE and Canty to LDE.

Use the Fergie money for something else?

[Paul]

Also how about Spears to NT? Hatcher to RDE and Canty to LDE.

Use the Fergie money for something else?

Umm... only if spears puts on a extra 20lbs and increases his bench reps. No way is he NT.

[Paul]

Any chance Cowboys move around some players in the offseason to get more speed on the field?

Granted we need a FS but how about Henry to FS and get one of the young corners in oppositte Newman?

Or try to trade some LB depth and move Carpenter inside to replace Ayodele and get Burnett in the weakside iwht Ware on the strong side?

Not impossible, but not really the problem or an area of concern for our defense.

[D-Unit]

Question of the day.

Will Bobby Carpenter turn into an elite LB worthy of his first round selection?

I thought we'd see more of him with Greg Ellis out, but it seems like he's only getting garbage minutes still.

[thule]

Jim Rome said it best when he uses TO's comments about everything being perfect except no one luvs him SO he is still unhappy.

Funny cat that TO. I guess he wanted Parcells to be his dad or something.

Use the cap money for someone younger with bad hands who can still be coached .. one of the ATL guys or Williamson in Minnesota.

This cat is just plain crazy and a horrid team mate. No surprise that not one Offensive player went to his party. No surprise his best friends are alwasy on D or ancillary players.

Wow...I hope your not serious. You want to ditch TO for a young player that has had drop problems? Not to mention give something up for them. If you want Troy Williamson over TO I question your knowledge of the league. But not only that how in the world do you plan on getting Williamson?

[thule]

Any chance Cowboys move around some players in the offseason to get more speed on the field?

Granted we need a FS but how about Henry to FS and get one of the young corners in oppositte Newman?

Or try to trade some LB depth and move Carpenter inside to replace Ayodele and get Burnett in the weakside iwht Ware on the strong side?

This isn't madded. Henry is a physical corner playing above average for a CB. Why would you want to move him. You want Reeves as our number 2 guy.... :shock: not a good way to introduce yourself to the board. But makes me laugh to say the least. I feel like i'm at footballsfuture already.

[Burns336]

At this point i would say no, but then again, look what we did with bradie james? it seems the players are getting further and further in this league by sitting and watching at almost all positions. (referring to d unit question about carpenter)

[thule]

Also how about Spears to NT? Hatcher to RDE and Canty to LDE.

Use the Fergie money for something else?

Once again....this isn't madden. Fergie, Tnew and Bradie are the only players on our defense that bring it every week. I understand how you want to replace a vet...but once again this isn't madden. Spears doesn't have the power to play the NT not to mention the size. Hatcher isn't ready to make the move to RDE yet....he doesn't have the strenth to go up against a OT 80 plays a game. Hatcher is our Mark Anderson. He holds value to this team because he can contribute about 20-30 plays a game. Furgy isn't making that much money. Exactly where would you spend it. It's not like we have a big weakness on this team to be filled.

[Poet3334]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

[Jughead10]

Sooo... will we be able to watch the Falcs game without a subscription to the NFL network? Or am I just screwed out of this game?
If you live in Dallas they will show it locally.

The problem is, if you live in UTEP, the Valley, and possibly even San Antonio/Austin, you won't be able to get the game without the NFL Network.
Now I'm no geography major, but isn't San Antonio/Austin numerous hours away from Dallas?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Austin is 3 1/2, San Antonio something like 6 from Dallas. I live between Austin and San Antonio, and I don't expect to get the game without going to a bar.
I guess it's just a matter of living in Texas. In the northeast or midwest and you live 4-5 hours away you're likely in another state or even region of the country. That would be like me upset that I can't watch Bears games living in Cleveland.

Great analogy with Cleveland :lol:. In Philly they don't get the Giants game on local TV when its on NFL Network and that is only 2 hours away. I'm just pissed off that I'm not getting the Rutgers game on local TV when its on NFL Network and I'm 15 minutes away from the campus.

[thule]

Question of the day.

Will Bobby Carpenter turn into an elite LB worthy of his first round selection?

I thought we'd see more of him with Greg Ellis out, but it seems like he's only getting garbage minutes still.

With our defense continually giving up the big play I find it hard to believe Parcells trusts putting Carp in. When carp is in he plays ok....but he has given up containment atleast 2 times in every game he has played. I still don't understand why he doesn't disengage his blocks early...he has good technique...just seems to wait a half a second to late. Personally I think parcells is content letting him play 10-20 plays on defense and contributing on special teams.

The same gets said for Watkins. I don't think we would be able to find one person who is a cowboys fan that could say they like Keith Davis. I actually can't remember the last pass defense he has had. Makes you wonder...could Watkins really do worse? Personally I don't think so...I just think that parcells has a trust factor and both players haven't allowed him to trust them...thus they sit on the bench.

Next year I see both players making a tremendous impact. It will be interesting to see if we address the FS position early. I still could see tom zibby in the 2nd. But I'm really curious to see what way we go.

An interesting note to think about today. Think about this. With the emergance of Oliver Hoyte as our stud fb....we have went away from the 2TE set a bit. Fasano isn't really playing the h-back position as much. I think a lot of this has to do with Hoyte. Here is my question. I'm not one to dwell on what we could have done *coughrandymosscough* but we could have went Hester in the 2nd. Hatcher/someone else we liked in the 3rd and Anderson in the fourth. I remember JJ saying the wanted to address OL earlier but didn't really have the chance. Maybe a guy like O'Callahan in the third.

Obviously if we look back at the draft a lot of things change. We all know Colston goes in the first round/ect. I'm just saying that this draft looks like a developmental draft. Guys like Carp/Fasano/Hatcher our first three picks are all on the bench more then 50% of the plays because they aren't ready. I don't know if i believe in that strategy.

[Poet3334]

Yeah but how many of you guys would have been upset if we took Hester in the 2nd round?

[Paul]

Yeah but how many of you guys would have been upset if we took Hester in the 2nd round?

To be honest, there would of been a Parcells shaped hole in the wall at Valley Ranch.

[D-Unit]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/
DAAAAAYYUUUUM!!!! THAT IS ONE BADASS MUTHAFKR!!!!

[Poet3334]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/
DAAAAAYYUUUUM!!!! THAT IS ONE BADASS MUTHAFKR!!!!

I know right!

[Poet3334]

Yeah but how many of you guys would have been upset if we took Hester in the 2nd round?

To be honest, there would of been a Parcells shaped hole in the wall at Valley Ranch.

Exactly right. I think some people on this board mentioned that last year around draft time. I believed they were laughed at.

[D-Unit]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/
DAAAAAYYUUUUM!!!! THAT IS ONE BADASS MUTHAFKR!!!!

I know right!
THE VIDEO SCREEN IS 60 YARDS LONG!!!!!! :shock: :shock:

FRICKIN' AWESOME!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

"The Cowboys are adding an innovative design element to the Stadium with a one-of-a-kind center-hung video board. It hangs 110-feet above the field from the arches, but here is what will be exciting to fans: It will stretch between the 20 yard lines, meaning the sideline boards will span 60 yards. So the fans sitting in the upper decks will have what amounts to a larger-than life game being played directly in front of them if they choose not to look down at the field, giving them an unprecedented benefit up top.

And this high-tech video experience doesn’t exclude those fans sitting at both ends of the stadium, since there will be two 48-foot wide boards facing them to enhance their game-day experience."

[CTCowboysFan]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/
DAAAAAYYUUUUM!!!! THAT IS ONE BADASS MUTHAFKR!!!!

I know right!

Yeah it should look great but I'd like to see some pics of where they are right now.

[thule]

Yeah but how many of you guys would have been upset if we took Hester in the 2nd round?

To be honest, there would of been a Parcells shaped hole in the wall at Valley Ranch.

Exactly right. I think some people on this board mentioned that last year around draft time. I believed they were laughed at.

Mark Anderson/Devin Hester/Daniel Manning/Chad Jackson/Manny Lawson/Chris Gocong

are all names that people on this board wanted sometime or another. I pushed for the first three pretty hard. D liked Gocong for obvious reasons along with Jackson he liked. Can't exactly remember who wanted Lawson...but that was the majority.

[Paul]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/
DAAAAAYYUUUUM!!!! THAT IS ONE BADASS MUTHAFKR!!!!

I know right!
THE VIDEO SCREEN IS 60 YARDS LONG!!!!!! :shock: :shock:

FRICKIN' AWESOME!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

"The Cowboys are adding an innovative design element to the Stadium with a one-of-a-kind center-hung video board. It hangs 110-feet above the field from the arches, but here is what will be exciting to fans: It will stretch between the 20 yard lines, meaning the sideline boards will span 60 yards. So the fans sitting in the upper decks will have what amounts to a larger-than life game being played directly in front of them if they choose not to look down at the field, giving them an unprecedented benefit up top.

And this high-tech video experience doesn’t exclude those fans sitting at both ends of the stadium, since there will be two 48-foot wide boards facing them to enhance their game-day experience."

Can someone please explain this part to me:

Amenities and Restrooms
"The stadium features 286 concession points as well as more than 1,600 toilets. Some of the restrooms will be reversible based on the needs of the event. "

[D-Unit]

I'd give up an arm to get one of those suites. :(

[Paul]

I'd give up an arm to get one of those suites. :(

F*** that, you can find me in the scrummage with the real cowboy fans.

[D-Unit]

I'd give up an arm to get one of those suites. :(

F*** that, you can find me in the scrummage with the real cowboy fans.
In a dusty ole bar in the middle of the nowhere and the women serving bear have mustaches??? Uh... No thank you.

[Poet3334]

Yeah but how many of you guys would have been upset if we took Hester in the 2nd round?

To be honest, there would of been a Parcells shaped hole in the wall at Valley Ranch.

Exactly right. I think some people on this board mentioned that last year around draft time. I believed they were laughed at.

Mark Anderson/Devin Hester/Daniel Manning/Chad Jackson/Manny Lawson/Chris Gocong

are all names that people on this board wanted sometime or another. I pushed for the first three pretty hard. D liked Gocong for obvious reasons along with Jackson he liked. Can't exactly remember who wanted Lawson...but that was the majority.

You're right. I remember all of those names. I think the consensus was that everyone liked Hester, but drafting a return man too high would have been a mistake. Hindsight is a beautiful thing! :wink:

[Paul]

I'd give up an arm to get one of those suites. :(

F*** that, you can find me in the scrummage with the real cowboy fans.
In a dusty ole bar in the middle of the nowhere and the women serving bear have mustaches??? Uh... No thank you.

You can serve bears? :shock:

[Poet3334]

I'd give up an arm to get one of those suites. :(

F*** that, you can find me in the scrummage with the real cowboy fans.
In a dusty ole bar in the middle of the nowhere and the women serving bear have mustaches??? Uh... No thank you.

HAHAHA... nice visual

[D-Unit]

I'd give up an arm to get one of those suites. :(

F*** that, you can find me in the scrummage with the real cowboy fans.
In a dusty ole bar in the middle of the nowhere and the women serving bear have mustaches??? Uh... No thank you.

You can serve bears? :shock:
:lol: You got me! :lol:

Bear piss anyone??? :lol:

[LSUALUM99]

Here is the deal with the revisionist theories.

You can't have a good team and expect your rookies to play alot. Most good teams have good players who you change out over time. If you want alot of contribution from your rookies you're going to have to plan on your team being a below average team.

Also, for every guy that is exceeding expectations (Devin Hester) there is a guy doing much worse than expectations (Chad Jackson).

Here are some of the stats of some of the guys that were mentioned beforfe the draft:

Manny Lawson - 39 tackles, 2 sacks --- not exactly ROY the material.
Chad Jackson - 10 catches 131 yards
Even Michael Huff has 54 tackles no INT's, no Passes Defensed.

Sure some guys pan out immediately, some take a while, some start fast and fade in year 2 or 3, some never pan out.

Give it 3 friggen years before everyone says 'we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy'.

[Poet3334]

Here is the deal with the revisionist theories.

You can't have a good team and expect your rookies to play alot. Most good teams have good players who you change out over time. If you want alot of contribution from your rookies you're going to have to plan on your team being a below average team.

Also, for every guy that is exceeding expectations (Devin Hester) there is a guy doing much worse than expectations (Chad Jackson).

Here are some of the stats of some of the guys that were mentioned beforfe the draft:

Manny Lawson - 39 tackles, 2 sacks --- not exactly ROY the material.
Chad Jackson - 10 catches 131 yards
Even Michael Huff has 54 tackles no INT's, no Passes Defensed.

Sure some guys pan out immediately, some take a while, some start fast and fade in year 2 or 3, some never pan out.

Give it 3 friggen years before everyone says 'we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy'.

I don't think anyone is saying anything of the kind, at least I'm not.

[DMWSackMachine]

Um, I'm too sick to post. I'll be back as soon as I recover from bashing my head repeatedly against the wall.

[CTCowboysFan]

Um, I'm too sick to post. I'll be back as soon as I recover from bashing my head repeatedly against the wall.

Been there. Done that.

Get well soon.

[Poet3334]

Um, I'm too sick to post. I'll be back as soon as I recover from bashing my head repeatedly against the wall.

Been there. Done that.

Get well soon.

All right, all right!

[bigmac076]

Um, I'm too sick to post. I'll be back as soon as I recover from bashing my head repeatedly against the wall.

Been there. Done that.

Get well soon.

All right, all right!

All I had to do was replace the TV that I kicked over :lol: :lol:

[bigmac076]

Check it out. It looks fantastic!

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

:shock: :shock: :shock: Unfreakingreal man. :shock: :shock: :shock: That is beautiful.

[Ward]

Yeah but how many of you guys would have been upset if we took Hester in the 2nd round?

To be honest, there would of been a Parcells shaped hole in the wall at Valley Ranch.

Exactly right. I think some people on this board mentioned that last year around draft time. I believed they were laughed at.

Mark Anderson/Devin Hester/Daniel Manning/Chad Jackson/Manny Lawson/Chris Gocong

are all names that people on this board wanted sometime or another. I pushed for the first three pretty hard. D liked Gocong for obvious reasons along with Jackson he liked. Can't exactly remember who wanted Lawson...but that was the majority.

D and I were both high on Gocong and Anderson.

[cowboysforever]

I had posted earlier about maybe moving Henry to free safety and some know it all figured they are Bill Walsh, but I want to point out lots of corners who lack that extra juice but have size and instinct go safety. For what it is worth, the idea is not crazy if you have difficulty find a FS else where.

With respect to the other ideas of moving Spears inside to NT I was told he is too small? Excuse me but Spears is cut thick and 6'4. He may need to hit the weights to get into the 320 range but he is listed 305. A good weekend at a Vegas Buffet may be enuff.

On Hatcher to RDE, I still donKt get why he can't be a starter with Canty. He has all the tools and seems to be an instinctive rusher.

The other players like Ratliff, Stanley, Coleman can play backup and we can use Fergie cap for WR and OL.

I like a good discussion but not 'you are dumb because I say you are' conversations.

Talent eval is an art. If all you do is take today opinion and project forward you end up with nothing changing.... And we know this is never the case.

But, yes, I propose bringing in the youth sooner, getting faster, and getting rid of expensive Vets who while good are not great.

[cowboysforever]

Also with respect to cutting TO and using cap money to bring in some WR talent I would like to point out that between Atlanta's 3 WRs, M Williams in Detroit and Williamson in Minnesota there is talent. Maybe not TO but younger cheaper and with upside. One of those teams can be had.

Let me point out that those teams have had lots of turmoil at the QB and Offensive Coordinator spots. Why would it shock anyone if 1 or 2 of those guys really can play but are simply victims of bad coaching and bad QBing?

Last I check Terry Glenn was considered a dog in Greenbay .... And we all know what happened there.

Talent is talent and those picks are not all bad, just bad circumstances where players need new environments and teams are desiring to move on.

[thule]

Also with respect to cutting TO and using cap money to bring in some WR talent I would like to point out that between Atlanta's 3 WRs, M Williams in Detroit and Williamson in Minnesota there is talent. Maybe not TO but younger cheaper and with upside. One of those teams can be had.

Let me point out that those teams have had lots of turmoil at the QB and Offensive Coordinator spots. Why would it shock anyone if 1 or 2 of those guys really can play but are simply victims of bad coaching and bad QBing?

Last I check Terry Glenn was considered a dog in Greenbay .... And we all know what happened there.

Talent is talent and those picks are not all bad, just bad circumstances where players need new environments and teams are desiring to move on.

You still haven't posed how we would get a guy like Williamson from Minn. Trade them Furgy? I don't think they bite. Teams are very stubborn to give up on a first round talent and admit they were wrong. I don't get where your coming from.

[cowboysforever]

This off season, however, on the FA front I think Adalius Thomas should be a priority. He would look great on the strong side and improves team speed and size.

I would permanently switch Carpenter inside. Good speed and size for MLB with some seasoning needed of course.

Find new homes for Ellis, Burnett, K Davis, Fergie and one of the current MLB. Try New Orleans. Move Henry to FS, Spears to NT. Hatcher to starter.

This would be my d changes.

Use picks and trades to get youth and speed on Offense. Maybe a day 1 corner. But invest heavily in Offense on draft day to go replacing the old OL and WR.

I would only adjust this strategy if you could land an impact NT like Shaun Rogers from Detroit in which case you probably gotta give up some young talent. Either way it seems Marinelli wants him out and BP has expressed admiration for him a few times last few years.

[thule]

I had posted earlier about maybe moving Henry to free safety and some know it all figured they are Bill Walsh, but I want to point out lots of corners who lack that extra juice but have size and instinct go safety. For what it is worth, the idea is not crazy if you have difficulty find a FS else where.

With respect to the other ideas of moving Spears inside to NT I was told he is too small? Excuse me but Spears is cut thick and 6'4. He may need to hit the weights to get into the 320 range but he is listed 305. A good weekend at a Vegas Buffet may be enuff.

On Hatcher to RDE, I still donKt get why he can't be a starter with Canty. He has all the tools and seems to be an instinctive rusher.

The other players like Ratliff, Stanley, Coleman can play backup and we can use Fergie cap for WR and OL.

I like a good discussion but not 'you are dumb because I say you are' conversations.

Talent eval is an art. If all you do is take today opinion and project forward you end up with nothing changing.... And we know this is never the case.

But, yes, I propose bringing in the youth sooner, getting faster, and getting rid of expensive Vets who while good are not great.

If you read back about 5 pages or so...you'll see we talked about a article that had to do with underrated CB's in the league. Did you know the Henry actually allows less yards per attempt inspite of being thrown at double the time of Newman? This isn't even factoring in his ability to stop the run as being valueable. Henry is a solid player. He may get burned but he does more good then bad. I understand it looks good on paper...but you have to factor in who is making the calls.

Now don't think we just say and nothing goes through. For instance last offseason I called for Akin. Well we debated off an on and D came to the conclusion that he would fit nicely on the inside even tho he had never played there before.

The things that make me mad personally...are the people who run in here and say that Roy should become a LB. That MB3 is a far superior back to JJ. That we need new ilb because ours aren't fast enough.

These are the things that I don't like. Furgy is a big part of out defense...and even more so from the leadership asspect. He is probabally the oldest vet on the defensive side of the ball we have. Unless Glenn is in there. You can't replace that with a younger guy. Without him our defense would not be top 5 in the league. Stanley was already cut once...yet you want to sign him up as our future? Spears can play inside on a 4 man line...but playin the NT position is a whole differnt ballgame then the DE position. Once again....looks good on paper but can you see our staff making that move?

Hatcher is a force in passing situations. He clearly hasn't proved that he is a better player then Spears/Canty otherwise he would be playing over them. He has the talent/ability but he needs time to adapt to the league. Get stronger...so that he can go up against a OT 80 oplays a game. Parcells is very causious about what players are getting to many snaps. He loves to rotate his players. So I don't think you just put one person in as your DE and let him play all game.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, Burnett plus Keith Davis (SS not FS) can get us one of those 5 receivers.

Williamson is labeled a bust here in minny. M Williams in Det. All 3 in Atl. Look at the Raiders too. Make it 6 guys with talent that folks are down on.

Put in a decent round 1 class of WR???? ..... And WR talent is pretty available this off season if you ask me.

Just seems there are some teams who just want to move talent for whatever reason and if we get rid of TO we have money to invest in that position.

Look at last off season -- some good WR talent got moved around cheaply.

[thule]

This off season, however, on the FA front I think Adalius Thomas should be a priority. He would look great on the strong side and improves team speed and size.

I would permanently switch Carpenter inside. Good speed and size for MLB with some seasoning needed of course.

Find new homes for Ellis, Burnett, K Davis, Fergie and one of the current MLB. Try New Orleans. Move Henry to FS, Spears to NT. Hatcher to starter.

This would be my d changes.

Use picks and trades to get youth and speed on Offense. Maybe a day 1 corner. But invest heavily in Offense on draft day to go replacing the old OL and WR.

I would only adjust this strategy if you could land an impact NT like Shaun Rogers from Detroit in which case you probably gotta give up some young talent. Either way it seems Marinelli wants him out and BP has expressed admiration for him a few times last few years.

Once again...quit with the madden like thinking. Ellis is on a dirty cheap contract...the only way he goes somewhere is if he locks out or demands a trade. You do realize that burnett plays about 50% of our defensive snaps right? Who is gonna replace him. Carp? maybe he has played some nickle. Davis is a great guy on special teams...as much as i hate him and never want to see him playing defense for us again...he is a cheap guy who contributes in other asspects of the game. Now if we were to bring in a guy like Zibby I would be for trying to get something for him.

I really hope you aren't serious about the MLB thing. Are you thinking Bradie...our defensive leader? How about Akin who just signed a 5 year contract. Both those guys are locked in here atleast 3 years if they perform well. If you are talking about Fowler then so be it.

[cowboysforever]

I actually like Henry. Henry's biggest issue is he playing oppositte the best cover corner in the league ( sorry champ b).

My proposal on Henry is driven by need but also because I think safety in today's NFL is very important.

Henry is a bright player, has good speed and actually plays the ball as well as any guy in the Dallas secondary.

I just think he is a step slow getting out of his breaks ... Which is why he gives up completions but very little RAC.

This to me is like Woodson or Lott to the safety spot. Not cuz they can't but there is a bigger purpose and they have the talent.

[thule]

Thule, Burnett plus Keith Davis (SS not FS) can get us one of those 5 receivers.

Williamson is labeled a bust here in minny. M Williams in Det. All 3 in Atl. Look at the Raiders too. Make it 6 guys with talent that folks are down on.

Put in a decent round 1 class of WR???? ..... And WR talent is pretty available this off season if you ask me.

Just seems there are some teams who just want to move talent for whatever reason and if we get rid of TO we have money to invest in that position.

Look at last off season -- some good WR talent got moved around cheaply.

HAHA are you serious. I guess you call Wayne/TO/Randle El/Lloyd small contracts? You are crazy the WR corp was so weak last year that guys got grossly overpaid.

I'm from ND...so you don't have to tell me about Williamson being a bust. You honestly think Burnett and Davis get it done you are smoking. Once again madden talk. How many player for player trades really happen. Its picks for players majority of the time. Williamson was a top 10 pick 2 years ago...if you think MN is ready to give up on him i'd like to see a source.

This is a good WR class in the draft....but TO will be here next year. Hurd and Crayton have prooved that they deserve a shot at playing for us next year. Austin has been great on kick returns...and has potential to maybe be that number 1 guy. No matter how you slice it we have two young guys who look like solid possesion recievers with a peak of #2. Who do you bring in. Sidney Rice....I could see that but I don't really see how he fits in. do you carry 6 WR's with you on gameday...highly unlikely. Parcells doesn't even like to carry 5. I mean if we have a shot at a guy like Ginn I will cheer my lungs out....but lets face it we need a future number one guy who can contribute right away at some level...and I just don't see that guy this year.

[cowboysforever]

I am not a fan of our MLBs. James is slow and neither can cover worth a lick.

I think last two weeks have shown that. We are escorting TEs and RBs to super star status via the coverage mistakes and speed deficit.

Ayodele for what it is worth looks like a much smoother athlete than Bradie.

Contract or not, we are over stocked at LB and should use them as trade fodder.

I think we can play with one of them slow footed plodders but not two.

[thule]

I am not a fan of our MLBs. James is slow and neither can cover worth a lick.

I think last two weeks have shown that. We are escorting TEs and RBs to super star status via the coverage mistakes and speed deficit.

Ayodele for what it is worth looks like a much smoother athlete than Bradie.

Contract or not, we are over stocked at LB and should use them as trade fodder.

I think we can play with one of them slow footed plodders but not two.

I don't get what you don't understand. Bradie is the heart of this defense along with Roy. He is responsible for this defense. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and when you invest money into a player you don't exactly cut your losses. I mean if they were under performing I could see where you are comign from. But they are not. They are the middle of a top 5 defense in the league...just because they can't cover Reggie Bush outta the backfield doesn't mean we need to trade them for Thomas Howard. THIS ISN'T MADDEN.

[cowboysforever]

Please Thule, don't get stuck on one name when I have mentioned six. Making a broader point to set a strategy for proceeding.

Player for player is tough, yes, but it done and would point out picks are a form of currency that grease the trading wheels. It is why money beats bartering as a form of establishing value and facilitating trades.

Ginn as a 1? I only see three for this year draft -- Jarret, Rice and Johnson -- that have talent and bulk for year 1.

Ginn is too small and reminds me very much of Glenn with worse hands and worse route runner.

Smadjia, Gonzalez, Breaston, R Moore are a few talents which can help.

Of the other cboy wrs -- Austin looks like a 1 but he is green. Does have speed and size that Hurd and Crayton don't have.

[cowboysforever]

Top 5 Defenses don't give up 42 points in three quarters at Home with the chance to lock up a bye and home field advantage for a play off game.

Sorry your assertion this D is good is wrong. This defense has a horrid time matching up with teams that have good TE and RB packakes in the pass game. Horrid.

With respect to Roy and James being heart and soul players with big contracts I think my response is contracts are not guaranteed and at times just cuz a guy is excess for us or a bad fit does not mean he is bad for other teams.

This is my WR argument in reverse and why even Davis has value as a SS in spite of his FS deficits.

Again, need to have a strategy to contemplate and execute this proposal. If you think D is good enuff then you stay the course.

I don't -- too slow in the middle of the field. From NT to MLB to Safeties.

This is why we have the problems we have Defensively.

[fryman]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I think we should just sign a bunch of good free agents and trade them for who we want. It is a killer strategy, it works all the time in Madden. Also we should consider moving one of our outside linebackers with good awareness to MLB and they will be better.

[thule]

Please Thule, don't get stuck on one name when I have mentioned six. Making a broader point to set a strategy for proceeding.

Player for player is tough, yes, but it done and would point out picks are a form of currency that grease the trading wheels. It is why money beats bartering as a form of establishing value and facilitating trades.

Ginn as a 1? I only see three for this year draft -- Jarret, Rice and Johnson -- that have talent and bulk for year 1.

Ginn is too small and reminds me very much of Glenn with worse hands and worse route runner.

Smadjia, Gonzalez, Breaston, R Moore are a few talents which can help.

Of the other cboy wrs -- Austin looks like a 1 but he is green. Does hav
e speed and size that Hurd and Crayton don't have.

I love Ginn as a prospect personally. He has the potential to be as good as Steve Smith (CAR). With the illegal contact rule in place...guys like smith/glenn/santana all have had more success. 6'1 is a decent heighth for a WR. He has that 6th gear that noone else really has. He is in the same speed class as guys like Hester. He simply has the speed that is unteachable.

I don't know how sold I am on him being the #1 guy. But it seems that Hurd is being groomed to be that guy. Now I don't think thats the best football move...but he would be a great compliment to Ginn. Hurd/Ginn/Crayton would be a very formidble WR corps. If Austin ever develops we would have alot of talent out there.

The only problem is...we dont' have a chance at Ginn he seems to be a lock for the top 15.

[thule]

Top 5 Defenses don't give up 42 points in three quarters at Home with the chance to lock up a bye and home field advantage for a play off game.

Sorry your assertion this D is good is wrong. This defense has a horrid time matching up with teams that have good TE and RB packakes in the pass game. Horrid.

With respect to Roy and James being heart and soul players with big contracts I think my response is contracts are not guaranteed and at times just cuz a guy is excess for us or a bad fit does not mean he is bad for other teams.

This is my WR argument in reverse and why even Davis has value as a SS in spite of his FS deficits.

Again, need to have a strategy to contemplate and execute this proposal. If you think D is good enuff then you stay the course.

I don't -- too slow in the middle of the field. From NT to MLB to Safeties.

This is why we have the problems we have Defensively.

Why don't we trade Roy Williams for Shawn Springs..and then convert Springs to FS and have Davis as our SS. Would you support his idea. :roll:

[Modano]

This is a good WR class in the draft....but TO will be here next year. Hurd and Crayton have prooved that they deserve a shot at playing for us next year. Austin has been great on kick returns...and has potential to maybe be that number 1 guy. No matter how you slice it we have two young guys who look like solid possesion recievers with a peak of #2. Who do you bring in. Sidney Rice....I could see that but I don't really see how he fits in. do you carry 6 WR's with you on gameday...highly unlikely. Parcells doesn't even like to carry 5. I mean if we have a shot at a guy like Ginn I will cheer my lungs out....but lets face it we need a future number one guy who can contribute right away at some level...and I just don't see that guy this year.

you're my boy, thule..
you said everything i wanted to say..
I think that some people are understimating what TO brings to this team.. Our rbs are not seeing 8 men in the box because of him.. Yes he had a lot of dropped balls, but how many plays does he make for us this year? You give him the ball and he will fight for the first down..
I don't know why we should cut/trade him for a guy who so far has shown nothing like White, Jenkins, Williamson and so on.. Yeah, Hurd, Crayton, Austin have potential, but they'll never be TO. I think that Owens is the biggest reason why we have a top 5 offense.. Or maybe the second one, the first is that we don't have Bledsoe as our QB anymore..

We had an horrible game sunday. But what about when we falled to 3-3? How many people were saying our season was over and so on? There are too many fans who are overreacting to this loss..

Ok, they score 42 points on us. And now our defense sucks?? Every team had bad games.. The last time I checked San Diego allowed 41 point to Cincinnati. And I think they have arguably the best defense in the league (or top 3 for sure)..

I'm sick for this loss but, as bbd said, it's one loss. We had only lost one game since Romo became our starter, that's the second one. Maybe we won't have home field advantage, but this team has showed me that they have the talent for a good playoff run..

And speakin about trading player on defense is crazy.. We are playing as a top-5 defense. Next year we'll have some key player in their third year in the league.. We'll have an improve defense.. it's stupid to dismantle it, we're building chemestry.. Maybe Bradie is slow, but how many plays is making for this team?
The only area of concern on defense are FS and backup NT. We need a true FS and we can grab one..

But fact is, we have a very good an talented team. The best team we had in years.. So why shall we dismantle it? We just have to keep some utility players and see our players develope year to year..

[Paul]

Top 5 Defenses don't give up 42 points in three quarters at Home with the chance to lock up a bye and home field advantage for a play off game.

Sorry your assertion this D is good is wrong. This defense has a horrid time matching up with teams that have good TE and RB packakes in the pass game. Horrid.

With respect to Roy and James being heart and soul players with big contracts I think my response is contracts are not guaranteed and at times just cuz a guy is excess for us or a bad fit does not mean he is bad for other teams.

This is my WR argument in reverse and why even Davis has value as a SS in spite of his FS deficits.

Again, need to have a strategy to contemplate and execute this proposal. If you think D is good enuff then you stay the course.

I don't -- too slow in the middle of the field. From NT to MLB to Safeties.

This is why we have the problems we have Defensively.

Jesus what is wrong with you, one bad game and you throw the defense under the bus. From what I know, in a 3-4 defense the MLB and NT do not have to be speed guys, that's what you have those stud OLB for. Bradie James and AA have played great all year, and they have one off game and you call them out as loser? Now you wanna trades up the ying yang, to get speed, not taking into account we have one of the best rush defenses in the league. I'm very glad Parcells doesn't think like you. Christ

[Paul]

Thule, did you lose a bet or something? What's with the sig?

[cowboysforever]

Hi Thule,

With respect to Springs at FS I dunno enuff of Springs. I would assume a 3rd player picked in the draft who is injury prone may convert nicely to FS.

Why Deadskins would want two SS who can't cover by accepting Williams is an open question.

But again I go back to strategy, we need at least two position upgardes in the middle of the field with much more speed. Guys who can cover.

Take your pick of two -- Roy, Keith, Akin, Bradie or Fergie. I select Keith and Bradie.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, with respect to you SD comparison at Bengals I must potest.

1 SD was on the road
2 SD was not in a must win
3 Carson Palmer
4 They effectively shut down Cincy in the second half
5 SD won
6 SD is vulnerable in pass game and not the best D in league but boy can they pass rush
7 Big injuries on D for that game.

Cowboys D is over rated. Why? Because the players that where expected to greatly improve -- Canty, Spears and Ware -- have not and the others are same as last year except for Fergie.

Sorry, but this D had one game they played to potential. Indy.

If Spears, Canty, and Ware can become above average pass rushers we would be talking a different story. If this where the case, I would put them in SD's class right behind Baltimore.

Baltimore has no weakness that is severly exploitable and is the only team in the league to say that.

[Paul]

Hi Thule,

With respect to Springs at FS I dunno enuff of Springs. I would assume a 3rd player picked in the draft who is injury prone may convert nicely to FS.

Why Deadskins would want two SS who can't cover by accepting Williams is an open question.

But again I go back to strategy, we need at least two position upgardes in the middle of the field with much more speed. Guys who can cover.

Take your pick of two -- Roy, Keith, Akin, Bradie or Fergie. I select Keith and Bradie.

Why in the hell would we have to upgrade Roy, Akin and Bradie? They Do there jobs of tackling, hitting and stuffing the run. And they do it very well. Despite what you think it takes more then speed to make a great defense. And when did it become that a NT had to be fast? And if you didn't know, and I'm guessing you don't looking at you ignorant and sometimes moronic posts, we just gave Bradie and Roy extensions, so your plan to get rid of him will probably never come into fruition. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[cowboysforever]

Of all the Cowboy WR who can be a 1 -- Austin has the body type and speed. Dunno about hands, work ethis or quickness.

Crayton and Hurd are slow but both have GREAT HANDS. But really guys, these are two 3/4 receivers at best.

Gin may be fastest guy in draft but Johnson and Rice look to be lock 1 receivers IMHO. Gotta see Jarret's 40 cuz he may be another M Williams who can be extracted cheap from Detroit.

Moore in Miami has all the talent but ...... Another U head case.

Breaston is Ginn but cheaper if a bit slower though bigger.

Smardzjia is a two -- possesion guy who is not any better than Gonzalez from OSU.

Who else in the draft?

Manningham in UoM might be best 1 next year. DeSean is another Ginn for next year. But they are both sophmores. Maybe Monk from Arkansas and the big guy from Rutgers?

Hey, how about signing Johnson from Houston? Aint he a UFA this year? Skip drafting a WR cuz we aint gettin one of the top three.

Anyway....

[cowboysforever]

Paul, please don't point out the obvious with respect to contracts.

That BP and JBJ have handed out some odd contracts to Ayodele, James, Williams and Kosier are not lost on me.

Kosier and Ayodele where not even wanted by their teams and was the source of some serious questions.

James and Williams (TO and Vanderjerk) are seemingly JBJ emotionalism if you ask me.

With respect to NT speed -- please don't torture my argument for more speed as proposing a CB for NT. Silly strawman argument.

But a NT with more speed and quickness between the hash markd would nice. Maybe a little upfield push. Maybe Shaun Rogers who is in Marinelli's dog house?????

[fryman]

welcome to the forums Al Davis!

[dpl85]

My biggest concern about Atlanta is containing Vick running and Crumpler over the middle against our safeties and LBs who struggle covering good athletic TEs. I'm also concerned about our OTs pass blocking Kerney and Abraham. Atlanta seems to be banged up with injuries that may play a large factor in the game especially if Dunn or Norwood or even both can't play. I'm not sure if Abraham is healthy and playing but he presents a big challenge for whichever OT he goes against. If we can stop their run game I think we'll win fairly easily but that's a lot easier said than done. I'm definitely concerned about the game in general for all the implications it holds, we really control our own destiny if we win.

I really hope our D has learned from their mistakes against NO especially as it relates to the short throws to the FB in the flat as Atlanta has a really good FB in Griffith.

[Poet3334]

My biggest concern about Atlanta is containing Vick running and Crumpler over the middle against our safeties and LBs who struggle covering good athletic TEs. I'm also concerned about our OTs pass blocking Kerney and Abraham. Atlanta seems to be banged up with injuries that may play a large factor in the game especially if Dunn or Norwood or even both can't play. I'm not sure if Abraham is healthy and playing but he presents a big challenge for whichever OT he goes against. If we can stop their run game I think we'll win fairly easily but that's a lot easier said than done. I'm definitely concerned about the game in general for all the implications it holds, we really control our own destiny if we win.

I really hope our D has learned from their mistakes against NO especially as it relates to the short throws to the FB in the flat as Atlanta has a really good FB in Griffith.

Thank you! That was getting tedious.

[fryman]

I'm also concerned about our OTs pass blocking Kerney and Abraham.

Kerney has been on IR for 3-4 weeks now. Chauncey Davis hasn't been doing much in his place, so we should be able to double Abraham a lot.

Abraham has been playing. He has been playing pretty well too.

[Poet3334]

I'm also concerned about our OTs pass blocking Kerney and Abraham.

Kerney has been on IR for 3-4 weeks now. Chauncey Davis hasn't been doing much in his place, so we should be able to double Abraham a lot.

Abraham has been playing. He has been playing pretty well too.

He's getting healthier, which is scary. I'm also concerned about Coleman up the middle. He's an excellent pass rushing DT.

[dpl85]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

[Paul]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Coming into this season I was actually content with the FS position. I was huge fan of Watkins in the draft, and I thought the addition of a Vet like coleman would of gave us talent and depth. Man was I wrong. I'm not giving up on Watkins yet, but that position has been hell to fill ever since woody left.

[cowboysforever]

Tedious are the posters who come to a 'Play GM' site and are nasty to other posters for whatever opinions they have.

Also should mention tedious are the folks who regurgitate ESPN and Sport talk shallow thoughts and think it gospel. A lie repeated a thousand times is still a lie.

Which gets to my next point, I was actually reading a poster who was writing Manning was an average QB and Rivers was better and that person was run off the Giants board some weeks back before the slump they had. Popular is not always right even if easier

Anyway, Saturday comes down to whether Vick runs crazy versus a slow Dallas D and if they can contain the edge speed of the Atl tailbacks.......

[thule]

Thule, did you lose a bet or something? What's with the sig?

Ya I bet henderson wouldn't be a threat in our game. He would be held under 88 yards. He got 92 :cry:

[thule]

Tedious are the posters who come to a 'Play GM' site and are nasty to other posters for whatever opinions they have.

Also should mention tedious are the folks who regurgitate ESPN and Sport talk shallow thoughts and think it gospel. A lie repeated a thousand times is still a lie.

Which gets to my next point, I was actually reading a poster who was writing Manning was an average QB and Rivers was better and that person was run off the Giants board some weeks back before the slump they had. Popular is not always right even if easier

Anyway, Saturday comes down to whether Vick runs crazy versus a slow Dallas D and if they can contain the edge speed of the Atl tailbacks.......

Well ATL's running backs are both listed as questionable. Which means if they play they won't be at 100%...I don't worry about that. Giffin sure doesn't have the speed to scare me. Parcells already has talked about gameplanning against Vick. So if anything is the key to this game...its will Vick be effective in the passing game.

[thule]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Well Ko went on the 2nd day. And many of us here had us selecting Watkins in the third. So had we picked him in the third would you be as happy since we addressed it on the first day. Watkins had first day talent...we all know that. He just needed a bit a tuning before he's ready for the NFL. He has tons of experience his body just needs some work. And if i'm not mistaken didn't you also want us to sign will demps? We all see how that is working. Its easy to say we should have drafted Ko. But who's to say he would be starting here. Watkins ran faster then him....so looking back at the draft if you had an option for Ko or Watkins...and we needed a centerfielder...you can't tell me you select Ko. Plain and simple.

[thule]

Of all the Cowboy WR who can be a 1 -- Austin has the body type and speed. Dunno about hands, work ethis or quickness.

Crayton and Hurd are slow but both have GREAT HANDS. But really guys, these are two 3/4 receivers at best.

Gin may be fastest guy in draft but Johnson and Rice look to be lock 1 receivers IMHO. Gotta see Jarret's 40 cuz he may be another M Williams who can be extracted cheap from Detroit.

Moore in Miami has all the talent but ...... Another U head case.

Breaston is Ginn but cheaper if a bit slower though bigger.

Smardzjia is a two -- possesion guy who is not any better than Gonzalez from OSU.

Who else in the draft?

Manningham in UoM might be best 1 next year. DeSean is another Ginn for next year. But they are both sophmores. Maybe Monk from Arkansas and the big guy from Rutgers?

Hey, how about signing Johnson from Houston? Aint he a UFA this year? Skip drafting a WR cuz we aint gettin one of the top three.

Anyway....

Sometimes I think you know what your talking about...and sometimes your remind me of the great cowboys poster Trojan14 :wink: . Johnson was probablly the most highly talented WR to come out of the draft in 10 years. Obviously every team in the league would be going after him. But this doesn't matter because he is not a FA. The most prolific FA WR in this years class is Drew Bennett from the titans. I have proved you wrong time and time again. You should work on your research.

Bottomline is...
1. teams don't give players contract extentions to ship them(James)
2. Teams don't cut/trade players who have performed as expected(akin)
3. It's not so much as finding a number 1 WR is it is a compliment to Hurd/Crayton. We aren't in position to draft a top flight WR...the only one we have a realistic shot at is Rice...and rumor has it he's staying.
4. Mike Williams is playing in a pass happy offense...and still isn't seeing the field. You don't invest a top 10 pick into a guy and not play him because you dont' like him. I have still yet to see a source saying he would be cheap to extract.

When you start pointing out some facts...I'll start taking your ideas seriously. Last year FA WR's moved cheaply...you still haven't backed that one up. It's one thing to come in here and debate. But when you do it bring hard facts...otherwise your ideas will be taken as a grain of salt.

[fryman]

Tedious are the posters who come to a 'Play GM' site and are nasty to other posters for whatever opinions they have.

Also should mention tedious are the folks who regurgitate ESPN and Sport talk shallow thoughts and think it gospel. A lie repeated a thousand times is still a lie.

Which gets to my next point, I was actually reading a poster who was writing Manning was an average QB and Rivers was better and that person was run off the Giants board some weeks back before the slump they had. Popular is not always right even if easier

Anyway, Saturday comes down to whether Vick runs crazy versus a slow Dallas D and if they can contain the edge speed of the Atl tailbacks.......

if you could even explain the duties of the positions in the front seven of a 3-4 I would be surprised.

Spears to NT explain why you think Spears would be a good NT. Could he take on two blockers and clog the middle? Why get rid of Ferguson when he has been one of the best players on D and is one of the most consistant?

Henry to safety and a young guy start CB? Who would you want to start? What have you seen from that person that makes you think they can start? Why make CB questionable to fix the FS position?

Bring in a young WR that has done nothing HOPING that he turns around? I would rather we don't play the lottery with free agency. The draft is the only place you pick up unproven players. Free agency you get players that show they are capable.

[Burns336]

I hope we have parrish in for this game. there is no way he could do worse than davis. and if parrish isnt ready, id like to see watkins over davis. What do you guys think?

Also, im thinking we need to put newman on crumpler like we do with shockey. I dont think henry and glenn should have a big problem with their recievers; the big problem would be crumpler on the FS, williams, or a linebacker.

the 1 and 2 running backs are supposed to be banged up and might not even play.

We should just be concernced with vick getting outside of the pocket and pulling a reggie bush on us, DE containment is crucial.

[bigbluedefense]

This might anger alot of you, but I just want to bring it up and see what you guys think.

As much as you guys love Roy Williams, is he just as much of a hindrance as he is a playmaker?

Ive been very supportive of him so far this year, he has played for the most part very solidly. But the problem with him won't go away, and can screw your team over for years...its his coverage.

I know he's a game changer with his hits, and his run support, but is doing just that worth the money you invested in him? There are alot of SS out there that can tackle in the box and blitz and hit hard, but none make Roy Williams money.

Your SS is supposed to be the guy who can cover the TE if the LB can't. Right now, with Carpenter slumping, you guys have no one who can cover the TE. The FS is supposed to be the deepball safety valve, not the guy who covers the TE, so thinking that a FS will solve that problem is not correct.

You need a LB who can cover the TE, or a SS who can. Right now, with Carp playing poorly, you have neither. And its VERY hard finding a LB who can adequately "shut down" if you will, a TE, which usually means a SS is the guy most teams turn to nowadays to stop dominant TEs.

So is Roy worth the investment? Im not asking if he's a good player, Im asking if Roy was worth the money he got. I say yes if and only if Carp can become the TE coverage LB most anticipated. If not, then this could get ugly.

The entire team's play will dramatically increase however if you get a FS, I definately agree with that. Right now, you have no coverage Safeties, and it sucks. I know, we have the same problem in NYG land.

[thule]

Thuley's Week 15 Big Board

My Two Round Big Board

Round One
1- Justin Blalock (won't likely be available...but OG don't go real early)
2- Tank Tyler (Should be available later...has been great all year)
3- Josh Wilson (Maybe a reach now...this kid is Aaron Glenn v2. He has had a great year...is lightning quick. Not only that but his punt return/kick return abilities would really be his strong suite year one.
4- Reggie Nelson (Probabally the best ball skills of all the safety)
5- Hughes (one will be gone by the time we pick)

Dropped
Michael Johnson (this guy is fast could jump to round one post combine)
- He is fast...but going back and watching tape on him I noticed he wasn't someone with great instincts. He seemed to reactive...we need someone with instincts.

Round Two
1- Craig Davis (underrated speedster outta LSU. Really like him)
2- Tom Zbikowski (Couldn't be worse then Davis...contribute right away)
3- Ryan Kalil (showed in the bowl game he can produce)
4- Tony Ugoh (he could play LT or RT...very balanced blocker)
5- Johnnie Lee Higgins (been UTEP's only weapon all year and been dominant)
6- Steve Smith (Smart, polished, nfl ready, quick...I like that combo)

When trying to evaluate our 2nd round needs it gets hard. We don't really have alot of needs. So do you go OG here...when you can find about the same talent on the second day. I mean Grubbs/Sears are two guys I could see in our range...but neither of them really show me anything that so other later prospects do. I mean we need a small quick WR for the future...but would probabally have to have a impact on special teams to make the team. CB class is deep so someone could drop...but you can't assume those things. FS is a need...but would a guy like Welding really be an upgrade? This draft appears as a crap shoot for me. I really won't be surprised to see us trade up. I don't know if Parcells has ever done it this early...but I really love the ties to Ginn. I'm hopeing Glenn is doing some talking to Big Bill. Their similarities are striking. I still think we address our OG position in the offseason. So I really get lost on where we pick with our later picks. There are only 4 players I see as guys who could contribute right away that we have somewhat of a shot at.

1. Ginn
2. Tank
3. Wilson
4. Nelson
Those four guys could do alot for us right away. Any tips or guys to look at would be appriciated.

[bigbluedefense]

Zibkowski is NOT the answer. He's Roy Williams part 2. In fact, his coverage is worse. He couldn't cover a DT in the NFL let alone a WR/TE.

[thule]

This might anger alot of you, but I just want to bring it up and see what you guys think.

As much as you guys love Roy Williams, is he just as much of a hindrance as he is a playmaker?

Ive been very supportive of him so far this year, he has played for the most part very solidly. But the problem with him won't go away, and can screw your team over for years...its his coverage.

I know he's a game changer with his hits, and his run support, but is doing just that worth the money you invested in him? There are alot of SS out there that can tackle in the box and blitz and hit hard, but none make Roy Williams money.

Your SS is supposed to be the guy who can cover the TE if the LB can't. Right now, with Carpenter slumping, you guys have no one who can cover the TE. The FS is supposed to be the deepball safety valve, not the guy who covers the TE, so thinking that a FS will solve that problem is not correct.

You need a LB who can cover the TE, or a SS who can. Right now, with Carp playing poorly, you have neither. And its VERY hard finding a LB who can adequately "shut down" if you will, a TE, which usually means a SS is the guy most teams turn to nowadays to stop dominant TEs.

So is Roy worth the investment? Im not asking if he's a good player, Im asking if Roy was worth the money he got. I say yes if and only if Carp can become the TE coverage LB most anticipated. If not, then this could get ugly.

The entire team's play will dramatically increase however if you get a FS, I definately agree with that. Right now, you have no coverage Safeties, and it sucks. I know, we have the same problem in NYG land.

I don't understand what your getting at. We did sign Roy to an extension. I'm sure we factored that in when we gave him the extention. Bottomline is our young players need to develop. Would we be having this talk if Carp and Watkins stepped up? Just like me and LSU were saying earlier....Teams with rookies contributing right away aren't great teams. We can't expect Carp to learn the roles of SOLB and ILB and then expect him to be moved back and forth. If anything bad came from the ellis injury it was the stunt of Carp's development. He just needs time. Watkins played well when in there but he just doesn't have the body right now to play in the NFL. I definately say we see solid improvement by both of them next year. The way we run our 3-4 it is almost designed exclusively for out SOLB to take the TE. We seem to leave the RB's for the CB in cover 2 of the ILB's rolling out. This is why we got burned...in the NO game until later in the game where we started rolling Ware out on the RB. This is a problem...but I don't think Parcells has the trust in Carp/Singleton to ask them to man up on the TE...which is why Roy is getting exposed. Once we have a SOLB who is developed...I think we'll see Roy's breakdowns in coverage less occuring. Bottomline is our SOLB needs to step up. Has anyone else noticed since Ellis went down we have seen our safeties chasing more recievers deep lately?

[thule]

Zibkowski is NOT the answer. He's Roy Williams part 2. In fact, his coverage is worse. He couldn't cover a DT in the NFL let alone a WR/TE.

Well here is the way I look at it. Zibby could solve our punt return problem from the start. Not only this but he could contribute to all special teams units. The reason I link him to big d is obvious because of the weis connection. I'm sure noone could predict us going after fasano last year. But it happened. The thing is Zibby could play FS for us. He would be an upgrade over Davis...and would make Davis expendable. Maybe we ship him...who knows. We all know that Payton wanted him this offseason. My point is we could bring in a younger guy would could essentially replace Davis's job on this team. Watkins has everything we look for he just isn't physically ready to play in this league. Weighing in all the factors...and the fact that we don't have alot of needs...I think Zibby would fit well as a 1st/2nd down FS on running downs and then let Watkins play the nickel/passing situations.

This has been debated here before between me/d/and ward but I suppose you can see both sides. I don't plan on changing your oppinion because we obviously have different views.

[Paul]

Thuley's Week 15 Big Board

My Two Round Big Board

Round One
1- Justin Blalock (won't likely be available...but OG don't go real early)
2- Tank Tyler (Should be available later...has been great all year)
3- Josh Wilson (Maybe a reach now...this kid is Aaron Glenn v2. He has had a great year...is lightning quick. Not only that but his punt return/kick return abilities would really be his strong suite year one.
4- Reggie Nelson (Probabally the best ball skills of all the safety)
5- Hughes (one will be gone by the time we pick)

Dropped
Michael Johnson (this guy is fast could jump to round one post combine)
- He is fast...but going back and watching tape on him I noticed he wasn't someone with great instincts. He seemed to reactive...we need someone with instincts.

Round Two
1- Ryan Kalil (showed in the bowl game he can produce)
2- Tony Ugoh (he could play LT or RT...very balanced blocker)
3- Tom Zbikowski (Couldn't be worse then Davis...contribute right away)
4- Johnnie Lee Higgins (been UTEP's only weapon all year and been dominant)
5- Steve Smith (Smart, polished, nfl ready, quick...I like that combo)

When trying to evaluate our 2nd round needs it gets hard. We don't really have alot of needs. So do you go OG here...when you can find about the same talent on the second day. I mean Grubbs/Sears are two guys I could see in our range...but neither of them really show me anything that so other later prospects do. I mean we need a small quick WR for the future...but would probabally have to have a impact on special teams to make the team. CB class is deep so someone could drop...but you can't assume those things. FS is a need...but would a guy like Welding really be an upgrade? This draft appears as a crap shoot for me. I really won't be surprised to see us trade up. I don't know if Parcells has ever done it this early...but I really love the ties to Ginn. I'm hopeing Glenn is doing some talking to Big Bill. Their similarities are striking. I still think we address our OG position in the offseason. So I really get lost on where we pick with our later picks. There are only 4 players I see as guys who could contribute right away that we have somewhat of a shot at.

1. Ginn
2. Tank
3. Wilson
4. Nelson
Those four guys could do alot for us right away. Any tips or guys to look at would be appriciated.

I know were all in love with Blalock, and believe me I wouldn't mine if we got him, but the OG pool this year is really deep. With Manual Rameirez, Ben Grubbs, Beekman and so forth. Guys who I think we can get in the 2nd round. I would like to see us get athletes on the offensive side of the ball in the first round. Sidney Rice, Ginn, Meachum or maybe Jarrett. But if we do land Blalock, I would be happy with Bowe in the 2nd.

Random question, but what's the stalk talk of Aaron Rouse? Is he a good FS candidate, and where is he projected?

[dpl85]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Well Ko went on the 2nd day. And many of us here had us selecting Watkins in the third. So had we picked him in the third would you be as happy since we addressed it on the first day. Watkins had first day talent...we all know that. He just needed a bit a tuning before he's ready for the NFL. He has tons of experience his body just needs some work. And if i'm not mistaken didn't you also want us to sign will demps? We all see how that is working. Its easy to say we should have drafted Ko. But who's to say he would be starting here. Watkins ran faster then him....so looking back at the draft if you had an option for Ko or Watkins...and we needed a centerfielder...you can't tell me you select Ko. Plain and simple.
I probably didn't say it on here but I wanted us to sign Chris Hope who I think was the consensus top FS in FA. I admit I didn't know much about him but after reading Scott's scouting report of him and seeing how highly Scott and other analysts had him ranked I wanted us to draft Ko Simpson. I know hindsight's 20/20 but the fact remains we didn't adeqautely address the position. I don't consider a 5th round pick even if it was considered kind of a steal at the time and Marcus Coleman and resigning Keith Davis adequately addressing the FS need. As for Roy he is what he is and that's never going to change you just have to take the good with the bad. Roy's great against the run and a big hitter but he's never going to be Darren Woodson in terms of coverage so we have to do a better job of getting a ballhawk FS to compliment him and not putting him in too many disadvantageous situations. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't cover 2 which I believe we play occasionally put too much presure on Roy to be really good in coverage?

[thule]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Well Ko went on the 2nd day. And many of us here had us selecting Watkins in the third. So had we picked him in the third would you be as happy since we addressed it on the first day. Watkins had first day talent...we all know that. He just needed a bit a tuning before he's ready for the NFL. He has tons of experience his body just needs some work. And if i'm not mistaken didn't you also want us to sign will demps? We all see how that is working. Its easy to say we should have drafted Ko. But who's to say he would be starting here. Watkins ran faster then him....so looking back at the draft if you had an option for Ko or Watkins...and we needed a centerfielder...you can't tell me you select Ko. Plain and simple.
I probably didn't say it on here but I wanted us to sign Chris Hope who I think was the consensus top FS in FA. I admit I didn't know much about him but after reading Scott's scouting report of him and seeing how highly Scott and other analysts had him ranked I wanted us to draft Ko Simpson. I know hindsight's 20/20 but the fact remains we didn't adeqautely address the position. I don't consider a 5th round pick even if it was considered kind of a steal at the time and Marcus Coleman and resigning Keith Davis adequately addressing the FS need. As for Roy he is what he is and that's never going to change you just have to take the good with the bad. Roy's great against the run and a big hitter but he's never going to be Darren Woodson in terms of coverage so we have to do a better job of getting a ballhawk FS to compliment him and not putting him in too many disadvantageous situations. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't cover 2 which I believe we play occasionally put too much presure on Roy to be really good in coverage?

We don't really play a straight up cover 2. We almost always play two deep with our safeties tho. About 50% of the time our corners will play man to man...the other they play the flats. The reason why Roy and Davis are playing 2 deeps is because of how often we have given up the big play. What I don't understand is why we still are using it. It hasn't really stopped us from giving up the big play. But the reasoning behind leaving our safeties deep is so that we don't give up the big play. Roy has problems when our corners are playing the flats.

So lets say a WR lines up to the left. He runs a quick slant then runs up....now our corner gives him up to the LB...well after the WR feels our CB leave him he runs an up and out....so called flag route. With Roy playing the deep half...he now has to run man for man with this WR...which most of the time he cannot do. Roy could I believe man up on a Te at the line and not get burned...but when he is playing deep in coverage he has to pick an angle...this year he has not been taking good angles...and as a result he has be a second to late to making the play. I really think this problem is solved by playing a robber scheme with our Safeties...but then again we run into the problem. We don't have a center fielder out there...and Davis just doesn't have the speed/instincts to play the deep all by himself. This is where I look for Watkins to be a big help for us next year.

[fryman]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Well Ko went on the 2nd day. And many of us here had us selecting Watkins in the third. So had we picked him in the third would you be as happy since we addressed it on the first day. Watkins had first day talent...we all know that. He just needed a bit a tuning before he's ready for the NFL. He has tons of experience his body just needs some work. And if i'm not mistaken didn't you also want us to sign will demps? We all see how that is working. Its easy to say we should have drafted Ko. But who's to say he would be starting here. Watkins ran faster then him....so looking back at the draft if you had an option for Ko or Watkins...and we needed a centerfielder...you can't tell me you select Ko. Plain and simple.
I probably didn't say it on here but I wanted us to sign Chris Hope who I think was the consensus top FS in FA. I admit I didn't know much about him but after reading Scott's scouting report of him and seeing how highly Scott and other analysts had him ranked I wanted us to draft Ko Simpson. I know hindsight's 20/20 but the fact remains we didn't adeqautely address the position. I don't consider a 5th round pick even if it was considered kind of a steal at the time and Marcus Coleman and resigning Keith Davis adequately addressing the FS need. As for Roy he is what he is and that's never going to change you just have to take the good with the bad. Roy's great against the run and a big hitter but he's never going to be Darren Woodson in terms of coverage so we have to do a better job of getting a ballhawk FS to compliment him and not putting him in too many disadvantageous situations. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't cover 2 which I believe we play occasionally put too much presure on Roy to be really good in coverage?

I made a lot of post saying that we should pick up Hope or draft Danieal Manning, but my second FS in the draft was Watkins. I think he just needs some time to adjust. I don't think anybody really expected him to come in and start right away. After he did so good in training camp everybody forgot what was really expected from him though.

Elam probably threw things off a little too. Had he not done so well Davis and Pile probably both would have been kept. Pile actually wasn't too bad last year. The big plays all seemed to happen when Davis was on the field.

[thule]

Thuley's Week 15 Big Board

My Two Round Big Board

Round One
1- Justin Blalock (won't likely be available...but OG don't go real early)
2- Tank Tyler (Should be available later...has been great all year)
3- Josh Wilson (Maybe a reach now...this kid is Aaron Glenn v2. He has had a great year...is lightning quick. Not only that but his punt return/kick return abilities would really be his strong suite year one.
4- Reggie Nelson (Probabally the best ball skills of all the safety)
5- Hughes (one will be gone by the time we pick)

Dropped
Michael Johnson (this guy is fast could jump to round one post combine)
- He is fast...but going back and watching tape on him I noticed he wasn't someone with great instincts. He seemed to reactive...we need someone with instincts.

Round Two
1- Ryan Kalil (showed in the bowl game he can produce)
2- Tony Ugoh (he could play LT or RT...very balanced blocker)
3- Tom Zbikowski (Couldn't be worse then Davis...contribute right away)
4- Johnnie Lee Higgins (been UTEP's only weapon all year and been dominant)
5- Steve Smith (Smart, polished, nfl ready, quick...I like that combo)

When trying to evaluate our 2nd round needs it gets hard. We don't really have alot of needs. So do you go OG here...when you can find about the same talent on the second day. I mean Grubbs/Sears are two guys I could see in our range...but neither of them really show me anything that so other later prospects do. I mean we need a small quick WR for the future...but would probabally have to have a impact on special teams to make the team. CB class is deep so someone could drop...but you can't assume those things. FS is a need...but would a guy like Welding really be an upgrade? This draft appears as a crap shoot for me. I really won't be surprised to see us trade up. I don't know if Parcells has ever done it this early...but I really love the ties to Ginn. I'm hopeing Glenn is doing some talking to Big Bill. Their similarities are striking. I still think we address our OG position in the offseason. So I really get lost on where we pick with our later picks. There are only 4 players I see as guys who could contribute right away that we have somewhat of a shot at.

1. Ginn
2. Tank
3. Wilson
4. Nelson
Those four guys could do alot for us right away. Any tips or guys to look at would be appriciated.

I know were all in love with Blalock, and believe me I wouldn't mine if we got him, but the OG pool this year is really deep. With Manual Rameirez, Ben Grubbs, Beekman and so forth. Guys who I think we can get in the 2nd round. I would like to see us get athletes on the offensive side of the ball in the first round. Sidney Rice, Ginn, Meachum or maybe Jarrett. But if we do land Blalock, I would be happy with Bowe in the 2nd.

Random question, but what's the stalk talk of Aaron Rouse? Is he a good FS candidate, and where is he projected?

Rouse is more fitted for a SS role. Many actually like him as a WLB...which brings back memories of Thomas Davis to me. So no Rouse would not be a guy we want to bring in as our centerfielder.

I'm with you that OG pool is deep this year. The only reason Blalock is #1 on my list is because he is the best OG in this draft. He can play OT if needed too. He is experienced against to competition..and is the clear cut number 1 OG in this draft. It is simply him....then the others.

Personally I agree with you....the first couple rounds you get athletes. IDC if its on the offensive or defensive side of the ball.

Do you really see Bowe in the 2nd round. Personally I think we are too far back to land him in the 2nd. Maybe if we moved up we would have a shot. I love Rice...but I really don't think he comes out...he could get so much more out of another year in college. I like Mecham but would want to see him in action a few more times. Combine would likely be a big part on judging him for me. I like Jarrett...he is a NJ kid so Parcells has to love that. Once again tho...will he be available. I actually think that he could replace Crayton on this team. I believe Crayton is in a contract year...or maybe its next year...but this pick is actually gaining steam in my book. I still don't know if he is available which is why I left him off my big board.

A guy I really like is Buster Davis outta LSU. We all know parcells loves himself some LSU blood. This guy is a speedster. I didn't really think that much of him until I read scotts review...and went back and watched some tape. He was similar to LSU as Glenn is to our offense. Not the guy everyone talks about...but the guy who gets the job done and doesn't have to talk about it. I really like him as a prospect. I actually forgot about him on my big board...he is gonna shuffle it up for me..I'll go back and change it.

[thule]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Well Ko went on the 2nd day. And many of us here had us selecting Watkins in the third. So had we picked him in the third would you be as happy since we addressed it on the first day. Watkins had first day talent...we all know that. He just needed a bit a tuning before he's ready for the NFL. He has tons of experience his body just needs some work. And if i'm not mistaken didn't you also want us to sign will demps? We all see how that is working. Its easy to say we should have drafted Ko. But who's to say he would be starting here. Watkins ran faster then him....so looking back at the draft if you had an option for Ko or Watkins...and we needed a centerfielder...you can't tell me you select Ko. Plain and simple.
I probably didn't say it on here but I wanted us to sign Chris Hope who I think was the consensus top FS in FA. I admit I didn't know much about him but after reading Scott's scouting report of him and seeing how highly Scott and other analysts had him ranked I wanted us to draft Ko Simpson. I know hindsight's 20/20 but the fact remains we didn't adeqautely address the position. I don't consider a 5th round pick even if it was considered kind of a steal at the time and Marcus Coleman and resigning Keith Davis adequately addressing the FS need. As for Roy he is what he is and that's never going to change you just have to take the good with the bad. Roy's great against the run and a big hitter but he's never going to be Darren Woodson in terms of coverage so we have to do a better job of getting a ballhawk FS to compliment him and not putting him in too many disadvantageous situations. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't cover 2 which I believe we play occasionally put too much presure on Roy to be really good in coverage?

I made a lot of post saying that we should pick up Hope or draft Danieal Manning, but my second FS in the draft was Watkins. I think he just needs some time to adjust. I don't think anybody really expected him to come in and start right away. After he did so good in training camp everybody forgot what was really expected from him though.

Elam probably threw things off a little too. Had he not done so well Davis and Pile probably both would have been kept. Pile actually wasn't too bad last year. The big plays all seemed to happen when Davis was on the field.

Manning was my number 2 at fs last year. We never had a shot at him...he went before us in round two. Reminds me of what happened when we wanted Bullocks two years ago...right before our pick /shrug. I wanted watkins..and kwhy only made me want him more. I still have high hopes for him.

[fryman]

I'm highly critical of the fact that we failed to adequately address the FS need this past offseason either in FA or a first day draft pick. We are having many of the same coverage problems at FS and SS for that matter we had last year. I can't help but think, damn we could've signed Chris Hope who has had a really good season with the Titans or drafted Ko Simposn who is apparently playing pretty well for the Bills.

Well Ko went on the 2nd day. And many of us here had us selecting Watkins in the third. So had we picked him in the third would you be as happy since we addressed it on the first day. Watkins had first day talent...we all know that. He just needed a bit a tuning before he's ready for the NFL. He has tons of experience his body just needs some work. And if i'm not mistaken didn't you also want us to sign will demps? We all see how that is working. Its easy to say we should have drafted Ko. But who's to say he would be starting here. Watkins ran faster then him....so looking back at the draft if you had an option for Ko or Watkins...and we needed a centerfielder...you can't tell me you select Ko. Plain and simple.
I probably didn't say it on here but I wanted us to sign Chris Hope who I think was the consensus top FS in FA. I admit I didn't know much about him but after reading Scott's scouting report of him and seeing how highly Scott and other analysts had him ranked I wanted us to draft Ko Simpson. I know hindsight's 20/20 but the fact remains we didn't adeqautely address the position. I don't consider a 5th round pick even if it was considered kind of a steal at the time and Marcus Coleman and resigning Keith Davis adequately addressing the FS need. As for Roy he is what he is and that's never going to change you just have to take the good with the bad. Roy's great against the run and a big hitter but he's never going to be Darren Woodson in terms of coverage so we have to do a better job of getting a ballhawk FS to compliment him and not putting him in too many disadvantageous situations. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't cover 2 which I believe we play occasionally put too much presure on Roy to be really good in coverage?

I made a lot of post saying that we should pick up Hope or draft Danieal Manning, but my second FS in the draft was Watkins. I think he just needs some time to adjust. I don't think anybody really expected him to come in and start right away. After he did so good in training camp everybody forgot what was really expected from him though.

Elam probably threw things off a little too. Had he not done so well Davis and Pile probably both would have been kept. Pile actually wasn't too bad last year. The big plays all seemed to happen when Davis was on the field.

Manning was my number 2 at fs last year. We never had a shot at him...he went before us in round two. Reminds me of what happened when we wanted Bullocks two years ago...right before our pick /shrug. I wanted watkins..and kwhy only made me want him more. I still have high hopes for him.

yeah I really wish Manning would have fell to us. I think this year the answer is definitely to replace Davis. I think we bring in a free agent that can start if Watkins isn't ready. There is no point drafting a FS early if Watkins develops. Then we would be in a position like we are with Carpenter.

[dpl85]

I'm very hopeful but somewhat skeptical that Pat Watkins can improve enough next year to be a good starting FS for us. He did start 4 years at FSU right, so he's got some pedigree.

[fryman]

A guy I really like is Buster Davis outta LSU. We all know parcells loves himself some LSU blood. This guy is a speedster. I didn't really think that much of him until I read scotts review...and went back and watched some tape. He was similar to LSU as Glenn is to our offense. Not the guy everyone talks about...but the guy who gets the job done and doesn't have to talk about it. I really like him as a prospect. I actually forgot about him on my big board...he is gonna shuffle it up for me..I'll go back and change it.

Craig Davis
For a second there I thought you were saying we should draft another LB. :lol:

I still really like Meachem :D It looks like he will enter the draft now too.

[thule]

A guy I really like is Buster Davis outta LSU. We all know parcells loves himself some LSU blood. This guy is a speedster. I didn't really think that much of him until I read scotts review...and went back and watched some tape. He was similar to LSU as Glenn is to our offense. Not the guy everyone talks about...but the guy who gets the job done and doesn't have to talk about it. I really like him as a prospect. I actually forgot about him on my big board...he is gonna shuffle it up for me..I'll go back and change it.

Craig Davis
For a second there I thought you were saying we should draft another LB. :lol:

I still really like Meachem :D It looks like he will enter the draft now too.

Craig/Buster should probabally clarified further. :shock:

[dpl85]

I really hope our new stadium doesn't have a really dumb sponsorship name like ******* Stadium. :lol: It should be called the house that Landry built but unfortunately that will never happen. I would bet that American Airlines gets the naming rights as they are based in Dallas I think and also have the naming rights to the Arena the Stars and Mavs play in.

It looks just too sweet! :D

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6265424

[dpl85]

We really don't need this crap right now. :twisted:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6270164


Here's more on the new stadium.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/121206dnmetnewstadium.37128e0.html

[Modano]

I think we'll se a lot of Kevin Burnett against the Falcons.. We need speed and quickness against Vick..
When our nickel we'll be on the field i think Burnett we'll spy Vick..

[thule]

I think we'll se a lot of Kevin Burnett against the Falcons.. We need speed and quickness against Vick..
When our nickel we'll be on the field i think Burnett we'll spy Vick..

I disagree...no LB in this league can spy Vick its pointless. We need to use containment tactics. Similar to the way that NO did to us. Which means bringing 5 guys....with OLB's holding containment. We don't have to speed to deal with him outside the pocket.

[Modano]

I think we'll se a lot of Kevin Burnett against the Falcons.. We need speed and quickness against Vick..
When our nickel we'll be on the field i think Burnett we'll spy Vick..

I disagree...no LB in this league can spy Vick its pointless. We need to use containment tactics. Similar to the way that NO did to us. Which means bringing 5 guys....with OLB's holding containment. We don't have to speed to deal with him outside the pocket.

Last year hasn't the panthers had a good success spying Vick with Thomas David?

[fryman]

I don't know how many of you watch Parcells press conferences, but today he said he wants to try Damarius Bilbo at safety.

[dpl85]

I don't know how many of you watch Parcells press conferences, but today he said he wants to try Damarius Bilbo at safety.
I heard that, sounds like a long shot at best but it's worth a shot. That would be like a plan c or d though.

[Poet3334]

I think we'll se a lot of Kevin Burnett against the Falcons.. We need speed and quickness against Vick..
When our nickel we'll be on the field i think Burnett we'll spy Vick..

I disagree...no LB in this league can spy Vick its pointless. We need to use containment tactics. Similar to the way that NO did to us. Which means bringing 5 guys....with OLB's holding containment. We don't have to speed to deal with him outside the pocket.

That's not true at all. Kam Wimberly did an excellent job this year for the Browns. Tampa always does a good job. I'm sure Parcells will be looking at that Browns game footage very carefully.

[fryman]

I don't know how many of you watch Parcells press conferences, but today he said he wants to try Damarius Bilbo at safety.
I heard that, sounds like a long shot at best but it's worth a shot. That would be like a plan c or d though.

yeah it's a long shot, but we have youth at WR. If there is a chance you could find a spot for somebody who doesn't really have a shot to make the team at his current position, then you have to take it.

[BX]

Smells like a desperation move to me. I don't like it.

We might as well go FS in the first, get some top-notch talent, and drop Elam.

Call me an idiot, but drafting Michael Griffin would be pretty funny. We'd have two hard-hitting safeties in the backfield, and our coverage would go to ****, but come on... they're from Oklahoma and Texas. Roy and Griffin would attack each other like feral mountain goats.

[BX]

Hey, we haven't seen Texico around lately, have we?

[leroyisgod]

Hey, we haven't seen Texico around lately, have we?

And I think not many have missed him either.

How come the new stadium looks exactly like your old one :?:

[leroyisgod]

How come the new stadium looks exactly like your old one :?:

I think it has some of the same charm as Texas Stadium, but still a little different.

[Ward]

How come the new stadium looks exactly like your old one :?:

Well it has a similar hole in the roof, but can be covered up if needed. Other than that, there's almost nothing similar. It's 2 1/2 times bigger than our current stadium.

[Number-94]

Might sound like a weird thing to ask. But, anyone have a clip of Ware getting completely pwned by Addai?

[dpl85]

How come the new stadium looks exactly like your old one :?:
That's not a coincidence that it bears a resemblence to Texas Stadium as Jerry wanted the new stadium to retain some of that old school feel with the similiar look with the hole in the roof. The hole in the roof is so iconic and symbolic of the Dallas Cowboys they had to make the new stadium resemble that a little bit to pay tribute and honor the great history of Texas Stadium and all the great teams that played there. However, like Ward said the new stadium will be a hell of a lot bigger and better. If you read the DMN article I linked to Jerry talks about keeping the hole in the roof look even though it will obviously be a retractable roof.

[dpl85]

I don't know if I believe this but apparently the Falcons are talking about using Vick some at RB because of the injuries to Dunn and Norwood. That would certainly present a unique challenge to our D.

[thule]

I don't know if I believe this but apparently the Falcons are talking about using Vick some at RB because of the injuries to Dunn and Norwood. That would certainly present a unique challenge to our D.

I personally don't see this. I believe mora said it was to late in the season to be trying stuff like this. Even if this did happen it would only be for 5 plays max. This isn't the factor. We need to keep vick contained and we win.

[chrlopez1]

I personally thing the cowboys will come out playing. I think we have a shot at really beating this team up. I have to admit the longer it goes were Atlanta stays in the game the more I will get nervous. I think what the Saints game showed was that we need to play a complete game. I think the cowboys just were not ready to play and they got burned. Brees had a great game, but every QB has one and Brees is a good QB who took advantage of the Cowboys. I am more afraid of the NY Giants in the playoff than the Saints.

Questin.....Do you think we cut Owens in the offseason? if so who become a #1 WR. I personally think our offense is were it is because of him. WE might not like him, but he makes it easier for everybody else.
We cut him and we will become a another regualr team. IF we draft a WR.....it not like he is going to have an impact...WR take 2-3 years to develop. I think Sam Hurd may surprise....he is my darkhorse...but we are in a playoff drive and no game time for him until next year.

2007 DRAFT ---- DT or OT...........maybe a safety...I think Davies is gone next year.......I don't see him here.

I really like teh new stadium....I hope I can get to Dallas in the next two year and attend one game before they move. California fan here. IF anybody is from Dallas ...Is it hard to get game tickets............just asking......on game day............

[Number-94]

2007 DRAFT ---- DT or OT...........maybe a safety...I think Davies is gone next year.......I don't see him here.

No maybe in it for me. I want Reggie Nelson if he's there when we pick and we pass...I will personally go stab Parcells. He's a playmaker, has speed you can't teach, will allow Roy to play in the box and he can even return punts. Can probably man-up a TE even though that would leave Roy center field(scary thought).

[Paul]

As much as I hate seeing Davis out there at safety, he is our best special teams player. The Bradie James of the special teams as you will, the heart. He has no business out there covering the deep ball, but he is good in run support, so I wouldn't want to see him leave.

[dpl85]

Do yall think we should blitz Vick much or would that open up too many rushing lanes for him? We have to get pressure on him but I think we'd be better off playing conservative and let Vick try to beat us with his arm.

[Paul]

Do yall think we should blitz Vick much or would that open up too many rushing lanes for him? We have to get pressure on him but I think we'd be better off playing conservative and let Vick try to beat us with his arm.

I say no blitz, they got film from last week where we exposed to the short screens and dump offs. Being to aggressive will fall into that, and they have the personnel to the same thing the Saints did.

[dpl85]

Demarius Bilbo played the role of Michael Vick in practice all week. I wonder how fast Bilbo is?

FYI: Cowboysplus.com is apparently free for the next 3 months which means you get all the DMN cowboys stuff for free.

[Paul]

LOL Bilbo.

[bigbluedefense]

This game and the Giants/Eagles game has serious playoff implications. If the Giants win and Dallas loses, we're on top again. If we both win, Falcons are looking out of it. If you win and we lose, Philly is looking to be the wild card. This week is gonna be huge.

Plus, with Seattle losing, your game puts you in the driver's seat to be the 3 seed. The NFC is ugly, and its about to get uglier. We'll all have a better idea of what to expect after this week.

[Poet3334]

So, it finally ends.

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5781

[dpl85]

If Terence Newman doesn't make the pro bowl this year it will truely be a travesty of justice and prove the pro bowl is really nothing more than a popularity contest. I would hope the players and coaches are smart enough to vote for him but I don't think most fans except Cowboys fans and fans of other NFC East teams really realize how great he's been the last two seasons. With the exception of his sophomore slump in 04 which can be at least partly blamed on a nagging leg injury he had that year Newman has arguabely deserved to go the pro bowl every year.

I know this is pretty off topic but Darren Woodson is quickly becoming one of the best NFL analysts on TV and is probably already the second best on ESPN behind only Tom Jackson. I hope Woody gets the MNF analysts job if and when they get rid of Theisman who is terrible.

[MeEtMeAtTheStAr]

Dont know if it has been posted but Who is Tony Romo is on Nfl Network tonight...it should be good

[Staubach12]

Dont know if it has been posted but Who is Tony Romo is on Nfl Network tonight...it should be good

I'm TiVoing it.

[Ward]

If Terence Newman doesn't make the pro bowl this year it will truely be a travesty of justice and prove the pro bowl is really nothing more than a popularity contest.

I feel bad for you if you're just finding this out. :lol:

[CTCowboysFan]

Dont know if it has been posted but Who is Tony Romo is on Nfl Network tonight...it should be good

I watched it. It was a very good piece. If any of you haven't seen it, you should.

[cowboysforever]

Good afternoon.

Read the posts last few days and still don't get why some combination of moving Henry to FS won't work. They played Glenn back there a few times and he looked good.

Watkins, if the answer, would solve the FS problem but if not here is a proposal that does not require an FA or day 1 DB pick.

Henry to FS
Jones or Reeves to CB
Glenn is nickel
Elam is back up SS
Watkins is back up FS
Trade Davis to NO -- he is a better SS than they currently have
Get Williams to drop 15 pounds to 20 -- word is he is playing 230 and he reaction speed shows it.

Today's NFL safeties need to cover. With the drastic evolution of the TE's athletic ability and the 4/5 WR sets you can't expect otherwise. Can't go 3-4 CB every time they spread you out.

To me what Buffalo and Oakland have done in the secondary is the way DB play is evolving.

The day of the 230 lbs SS is over and even the lost talented (Taylor in DC) gets exposed in coverage.

[cowboysforever]

As yet to get why the SOLB has to cover the TE b/c Roy.

Any to LB should be able to stick with any TE in the short and intermediate routes. First.

Roy could then roam a little more and do what he does best at the LOS. Second.

Parts should be almost interchangable.

Look at Pitt with their speed and coverage skills at LB in the 3-4 and then look at TP's play as a result at safety.

This to me is the best template to max Roy's skills while playing better overall D.

[Number-94]

I don't want Jones or Reeves anywhere near the starting line-up. Why put Henry at FS? We could just draft Reggie Nelson. If we do move Henry to FS I really like Josh Wilson too. But I do agree with Roy needing to lose weight, we just don't have anyone that can man cover a TE. Well we don't have a LB or SS that can. I wish we signed Julian Peterson!

[Number 10]

I don't want Jones or Reeves anywhere near the starting line-up. Why put Henry at FS? We could just draft Reggie Nelson. If we do move Henry to FS I really like Josh Wilson too. But I do agree with Roy needing to lose weight, we just don't have anyone that can man cover a TE. Well we don't have a LB or SS that can. I wish we signed Julian Peterson!

Nelson is starting to seem like he may be a top 20 pick.

[Ward]

All this moving position talk is unrealistic and uninformed. Henry is one of the best #2 corners in the league. Stop playing Madden and actually watch some football. This crap is ruining our thread.

[Poet3334]

All this moving position talk is unrealistic and uninformed. Henry is one of the best #2 corners in the league. Stop playing Madden and actually watch some football. This crap is ruining our thread.

I don't believe it's ruining our thread. He's spouting off. Nothing wrong with that. He's just trying to find solutions to the issues we have. You and I may not agree, but he's entitled to do it.

[dpl85]

Since Roy's strength is obviously in the box and not deep in coverage maybe we should use a little 46 and basically use him as an extra LB on first and second down. We should blitz Roy a lot more often so we can manufacture a pass rush as Ware by himself can't get it done without help. Is this too unrealistic?

[Ward]

Since Roy's strength is obviously in the box and not deep in coverage maybe we should use a little 46 and basically use him as an extra LB on first and second down. We should blitz Roy a lot more often so we can manufacture a pass rush as Ware by himself can't get it done without help. Is this too unrealistic?

PROBLEM: In the 46 you better have a damn good free safety (Ed Reed). We just have Keith Davis. :cry:

[dpl85]

Since Roy's strength is obviously in the box and not deep in coverage maybe we should use a little 46 and basically use him as an extra LB on first and second down. We should blitz Roy a lot more often so we can manufacture a pass rush as Ware by himself can't get it done without help. Is this too unrealistic?

PROBLEM: In the 46 you better have a damn good free safety (Ed Reed). We just have Keith Davis. :cry:
Yeah that's a good point, that's why we desperately need to upgrade the FS spot. Yall think Parrish can play FS effectively? Does anyone remember who played the all important FS spot for the 85 Bears?

[Number-94]

Since Roy's strength is obviously in the box and not deep in coverage maybe we should use a little 46 and basically use him as an extra LB on first and second down. We should blitz Roy a lot more often so we can manufacture a pass rush as Ware by himself can't get it done without help. Is this too unrealistic?

PROBLEM: In the 46 you better have a damn good free safety (Ed Reed). We just have Keith Davis. :cry:
Yeah that's a good point, that's why we desperately need to upgrade the FS spot. Yall think Parrish can play FS effectively? Does anyone remember who played the all important FS spot for the 85 Bears?

Gary Fencik was their FS. IIRC Excellent cover man and could tackle, was a ballhawk. Didn't really pay attention to football till '86. So I don't really remember, but if I had to put money on a person it would be Gary.

[bigbluedefense]

Hey guys, I can't watch the game, so Im hoping you guys really pay close attention because Im curious to see how the Cowboys come out this time.

If you can, pay extra attention to the following.

- Ware's pass rush
- The play of the 3 downlinemen on defense
- The defensive scheme (ie man or zone, blitzing or passive)
- Romo, will he make more reads, will he improve his game or has he plateaued
- Will you guys increase the running load
- Roy Williams coverage

Those are the things Im curious about. Any info on any of those things would be appreciated.

[Ward]

Hey guys, I can't watch the game, so Im hoping you guys really pay close attention because Im curious to see how the Cowboys come out this time.

If you can, pay extra attention to the following.

- Ware's pass rush
- The play of the 3 downlinemen on defense
- The defensive scheme (ie man or zone, blitzing or passive)
- Romo, will he make more reads, will he improve his game or has he plateaued
- Will you guys increase the running load
- Roy Williams coverage

Those are the things Im curious about. Any info on any of those things would be appreciated.

I won't be able to see it either unfortunately, unless my uncle and cousin decide to go to a bar and take me along.

[dpl85]

Hey guys, I can't watch the game, so Im hoping you guys really pay close attention because Im curious to see how the Cowboys come out this time.

If you can, pay extra attention to the following.

- Ware's pass rush
- The play of the 3 downlinemen on defense
- The defensive scheme (ie man or zone, blitzing or passive)
- Romo, will he make more reads, will he improve his game or has he plateaued
- Will you guys increase the running load
- Roy Williams coverage

Those are the things Im curious about. Any info on any of those things would be appreciated.

I won't be able to see it either unfortunately, unless my uncle and cousin decide to go to a bar and take me along.
That sucks yall can't watch it, I'll try to provide updates as often as possible.

[Number-94]

Just a quick question before the game. When Tyson Thompson comes back next year. Who gets the KR job in your opinion? Tyson or Miles Austin?

I don't know although Austin is really leaps and bounds better then I thought he would be.

[dpl85]

Norwood is out per NFL Network.

[Staubach12]

Just a quick question before the game. When Tyson Thompson comes back next year. Who gets the KR job in your opinion? Tyson or Miles Austin?

I don't know although Austin is really leaps and bounds better then I thought he would be.

I'm really torn. I like Austin a bit more, but I'm not really sure who will do it. If I had my choice, Austin, but obviously, it's not my decision.

[dpl85]

Pat Watkins and Oliver Hoyte are starting per Mosely's blog. Tony Parrish is inactive.

[dpl85]

TOUCHDOWN TO!!! He beat Hall. Tony has calmed down after a somewhat shaky start. He's completed to Witten and Glenn and TO and Polite.

[dpl85]

Trickeraion by ATL with Vick going out for one play and Schaub completes a first down to Jenkins. :evil:

[dpl85]

D-Ware picks Vick for a TD!!! Tell me that man ain't a playmaker now! That's 2 TDs this year for Ware!

[dpl85]

Why are we passing it so damn much we ain't the 80's 49ers and Tony isn't Joe Montana. Batted pass at line INT for Romo.

14-7 DAL

Touchdown by FB Griffith

Marco Rivera sucks

Romo is gettin way too many passes batted down, he's got to find throwing lanes!

[dpl85]

21-21 at half

We're playing too damn stupid!!!

Akin Aydele is an idiot, he tried to run with a fumble and lost it.

[Number 10]

I didn't expect this at all.

[Poet3334]

We can't stop anybody.

[Number-94]

Either Hall is hurt(will be an excuse) or TO ran a 4.3 forty.

[dpl85]

We're playing like we don't care if we make the playoffs or not!

We're too damn stupid! Stupid teams do stupid stuff!

This is BS!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Number-94]

Our defense is extremely overrated.

[dpl85]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

[sweetness34]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

[dpl85]

28-24 ATL

Gramatica FG

Bobby gets his first sack! :D

We actually forced a punt we actually forced a punt!!! :D

[fryman]

I'm guessing the Lelie TD was on Newman?

[Ward]

I'm guessing the Lelie TD was on Newman?

That's what I was told. Newman was in good position but Vick put it where it couldn't be contested.

[dpl85]

I'm guessing the Lelie TD was on Newman?
Yes but it was more on the lack of pass rush really than Newman, we gave Vick two weeks to pass. :twisted:

[fryman]

What's the Cowboys' gameplan for Vick? They're getting quite a few sack for it to be a containment pass rush.

[sweetness34]

What's the Cowboys' gameplan for Vick? They're getting quite a few sack for it to be a containment pass rush.

Keep him in the pocket and drop 7 or 8 back in coverage IMO.

[fryman]

man I wish I could watch this game

[Pit Bull #53]

I'm guessing the Lelie TD was on Newman?

That's what I was told. Newman was in good position but Vick put it where it couldn't be contested.

It was. Newman had perfect position on the play, he reached around to swat the ball down, and missed it by literally an inch. It almost looked like the ball went through his hand in real time, that's how close it was. He got beat for a TD on the exact same play earlier in the game, but fortunately for him it was called back because Atlanta lined up in an illegal formation.

[Number-94]

Roy Williams....Maybe you should stop trying for the hit and start practicing your coverage skills. Thank the lord that Ware and Henry stood up after getting killed by Roy Roy.

[dpl85]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:
I might have overreacted a little bit. :lol:
I can't help it I'm overly emotional.
WOW what a game what a win! We responded well to adversity and kept fighting our butts off.

Final score 38-28 survey says one more for the good guys!!! :D :D

[bigbluedefense]

Man I wish I could see this game. How on Earth did you give up 28????!!!!

And Carp got 1.5 sacks. Did he look as good as the stat sheet say?

[Number-94]

Man I wish I could see this game. How on Earth did you give up 28????!!!!

And Carp got 1.5 sacks. Did he look as good as the stat sheet say?

I don't remember the half sack so can't say anything about that. But he was spying Vick on the sack and closed the gap FAST. I think he has a ware-like first step.

.....Ware has good hands.

[Pit Bull #53]

What's with you guys and fullbacks the past two weeks?

[Number-94]

What's with you guys and fullbacks the past two weeks?

Same thing that happened in Washington last year with Cooley. I'm very surprised that it took till the Saints did it for people to notice it. If we blitz Ware then there's NO ONE in the flats.

[Poet3334]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.

[bearsfan_51]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

[Number-94]

Oh no, TO admitted he spat on Hall. He's gone for next game. Hopefully he'll just get fined, I can't believe he's acting like it is no big deal.

[dpl85]

Man I wish I could see this game. How on Earth did you give up 28????!!!!

And Carp got 1.5 sacks. Did he look as good as the stat sheet say?
Bobby Carpenter played great and I don't think that's an exaggeration. I was extremely impressed with Bobby, and this is coming from someone who was highly critical of him earlier in the season. I think we actually used Bobby as a spy on Vick occasionally and he did pretty well with that, one of his sacks came on a play where I'm pretty sure he was used as a spy.

As far as us giving up 28, well we had way too many mental mistakes on defense early in the game combined with a lack of pass rush. I think the safeties big surprise messed up on at least two of Vicks TD throws. On the one to Lelie he beat Newman but it was really on the lack of pass rush, we gave Vick forever to throw. Henry als got beat for a couple long throws but I think the safety messed up on that too.

[Poet3334]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

[Staubach12]

Oh no, TO admitted he spat on Hall. He's gone for next game. Hopefully he'll just get fined, I can't believe he's acting like it is no big deal.

Oh dear God...This is bad.

[Number-94]

Oh no, TO admitted he spat on Hall. He's gone for next game. Hopefully he'll just get fined, I can't believe he's acting like it is no big deal.

Oh dear God...This is bad.

It's already running over and over on NFL network.

[bearsfan_51]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

1)Had you lost this game, but still beat the Saints you'd still be the #2 seed.

2)Losing to the Saints gives the Saints the tiebreaker. Therefore, even if the Saints lose this week, they're still the #2

3)Theeeeerefore, last week was more important for your playoff seeding than this week, regardless of the results of the other game.

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's the way the playoff bracketing works. If you still do not understand this, I suggest finding some traffic to play in.

[dpl85]

BF51, that's a little excessive even if it is a joke.

The bottom line is the biggest game of the season is always the one you're playing right now as far as I'm concerned. Obviously the Saints game was big but if we had lost this game to ATL we wouldn't even be leading the division as we don't hold tie breakers with respect to the Giants. Furthermore when I said that it was at least partly in jest as there was still a lot of time remaining in the game.

I love me some MB3!!! If you still think he doesn't deserve to start, with all due respect you're crazy.

[sweetness34]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

1)Had you lost this game, but still beat the Saints you'd still be the #2 seed.

2)Losing to the Saints gives the Saints the tiebreaker. Therefore, even if the Saints lose this week, they're still the #2

3)Theeeeerefore, last week was more important for your playoff seeding than this week, regardless of the results of the other game.

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's the way the playoff bracketing works. If you still do not understand this, I suggest finding some traffic to play in.

Thank you.

[Burns336]

whats up with this spitting? i watched the game, and watched parcells as well as romo's interview after the game and i didnt hear anything about it? if he didnt get flagged for it in the game i doubt he will miss any time

[Burns336]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

1)Had you lost this game, but still beat the Saints you'd still be the #2 seed.

2)Losing to the Saints gives the Saints the tiebreaker. Therefore, even if the Saints lose this week, they're still the #2

3)Theeeeerefore, last week was more important for your playoff seeding than this week, regardless of the results of the other game.

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's the way the playoff bracketing works. If you still do not understand this, I suggest finding some traffic to play in.

Thank you.

and why are people arguing over something as stupid as which game is the biggest?

[Number-94]

whats up with this spitting? i watched the game, and watched parcells as well as romo's interview after the game and i didnt hear anything about it? if he didnt get flagged for it in the game i doubt he will miss any time

I think the Carmelo Anthony/NBA brawl thing will get more media coverage.

[Pokeys]

Probably didnt even hit Hall... Either way I dont care, we won and clinched a playoff spot.

[bigbluedefense]

Man, I saw the highlights.

TNew is so damn good. Vick had like 7 seconds to throw, and Newman STILL stuck his guy like glue. That was a perfect pass...Newman is unbelievable, easily your best defensive player. If anything, that TD pass made me even more impressed by Tnew's performance.

Henry looked like he was getting owned.

And the pass rush from what I saw looked average again. Ware had a great game, but you still would like to see more out of him in pass rushing. Im starting to think he'd make a better SAM.

Oh, and TO is a punk. I hate that guy so much.

[bigbluedefense]

whats up with this spitting? i watched the game, and watched parcells as well as romo's interview after the game and i didnt hear anything about it? if he didnt get flagged for it in the game i doubt he will miss any time

I think the Carmelo Anthony/NBA brawl thing will get more media coverage.

sigh...my Knicks....its so tough being a Knicks fan.

[CTCowboysFan]

Goodell seems to be more strict than what Tagliabu was as far as suspensions so I wouldn't rule one out for TO.

Steve Marriuci said that Romonowski was suspended when he did it.

So Thule you still want TO back next year?

[Burns336]

Man, I saw the highlights.

TNew is so damn good. Vick had like 7 seconds to throw, and Newman STILL stuck his guy like glue. That was a perfect pass...Newman is unbelievable, easily your best defensive player. If anything, that TD pass made me even more impressed by Tnew's performance.

Henry looked like he was getting owned.

And the pass rush from what I saw looked average again. Ware had a great game, but you still would like to see more out of him in pass rushing. Im starting to think he'd make a better SAM.

Oh, and TO is a punk. I hate that guy so much.

Ware had a forced fumble too, dont know if you saw that and he had a tackle for a loss early in the game on vick, im not sure why it wasnt counted as a sack? he got the .5 with carp later on though.

T.O. may be a punk but he straight **** on D fall. newman is way better.

[dpl85]

Here's a recap of the game.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/recap?gameId=20061216001


As far as TO is concerned, it shouldn't surprise anyone. The man lacks maturity, restraint, decorum, and intelligence. TO obviously never thinks about the consequences of his actions or words. I'm sure he will recieve a pretty hefty fine.

[Burns336]

Goodell seems to be more strict than what Tagliabu was as far as suspensions so I wouldn't rule one out for TO.

Steve Marriuci said that Romonowski was suspended when he did it.

So Thule you still want TO back next year?

I do. He may have spit but he also made a spectacular catch on the first touchdown and burned hall on the second...

Plus im sure all you guys didnt get this report since you dont have NFL network but it was revealed that T.O. has torn ligaments in his hand and the doctors told him he can get season ending surgery or continue to play but lose the use of one of his fingers and T.O. opted to play... the guy may be a punk, but he just gave up a finger to make a run at the SB

[bigbluedefense]

Shoot, I hope he's back in Dallas next year too. He's a cancer, and will destroy your team soon enough. Play with fire, youre gonna get burned, and JJ made a deal with the devil. Youre much better off as a team getting rid of that cancer at the end of this year.

Honestly, that man deserves to be no where near a SB ring, he truely is a complete jerk.

[Burns336]

And this being T.O., there just had to be some controversy along the way. Hall said afterward that Owens spit at him on the third play of the game when the cornerback was jawing relentlessly at the Dallas receiver.

"He had a lot of words. I didn't," Owens said. "I just wanted to come out and prove I'm a guy to be reckoned with."

that is what is being reported on espn.com

there is a big difference between spitting on someone and spitting at them. Hall said owens spit at him when he was crying. who cares. carry on.

[Burns336]

does no one else think its a big deal that he will now have a useless finger that cant be bent anymore? doesnt seem very selfish to me. i hated the guy, but you cant argue with what hes done this year. hes changed my mind.

[CTCowboysFan]

Goodell seems to be more strict than what Tagliabu was as far as suspensions so I wouldn't rule one out for TO.

Steve Marriuci said that Romonowski was suspended when he did it.

So Thule you still want TO back next year?

I do. He may have spit but he also made a spectacular catch on the first touchdown and burned hall on the second...

Plus im sure all you guys didnt get this report since you dont have NFL network but it was revealed that T.O. has torn ligaments in his hand and the doctors told him he can get season ending surgery or continue to play but lose the use of one of his fingers and T.O. opted to play... the guy may be a punk, but he just gave up a finger to make a run at the SB

Yes actually I do get nfl network and yes I heard about that. So what? Now we should feel sorry for TO and excuse his drops? I had the same injury he did and you can have surgery to bend your finger again, it's just it won't heal on its own. And I am sure a lot of receivers could have made that catch. I won't deny TO is a great football talent but he didn't do anything in this game or the season that another number one receiver in the NFL couldn't do. But the one thing that never fails is TO has an excuse for EVERYTHING. And everytime he has an excuse we all buy into it. When will we just realize we made a mistake bringing him here and release him at season's end. I don't want his classless arse back.

[Burns336]

Goodell seems to be more strict than what Tagliabu was as far as suspensions so I wouldn't rule one out for TO.

Steve Marriuci said that Romonowski was suspended when he did it.

So Thule you still want TO back next year?

I do. He may have spit but he also made a spectacular catch on the first touchdown and burned hall on the second...

Plus im sure all you guys didnt get this report since you dont have NFL network but it was revealed that T.O. has torn ligaments in his hand and the doctors told him he can get season ending surgery or continue to play but lose the use of one of his fingers and T.O. opted to play... the guy may be a punk, but he just gave up a finger to make a run at the SB

Yes actually I do get nfl network and yes I heard about that. So what? Now we should feel sorry for TO and excuse his drops? I had the same injury he did and you can have surgery to bend your finger again, it's just it won't heal on its own. And I am sure a lot of receivers could have made that catch. I won't deny TO is a great football talent but he didn't do anything in this game or the season that another number one receiver in the NFL couldn't do. But the one thing that never fails is TO has an excuse for EVERYTHING. And everytime he has an excuse we all buy into it. When will we just realize we made a mistake bringing him here and release him at season's end. I don't want his classless arse back.

T.O. didnt say thats why hes dropping the ball. you made that assumption based on deion and marshall saying thats what they believed. The doctors are the ones that said he wont be able to use the finger anymore and i would believe them over you. You're just a hater. without him we wouldnt be nearly as explosive. the guy is the only chance we have to make the SB. without him we are just an average playoff team.

[dpl85]

Shoot, I hope he's back in Dallas next year too. He's a cancer, and will destroy your team soon enough. Play with fire, youre gonna get burned, and JJ made a deal with the devil. Youre much better off as a team getting rid of that cancer at the end of this year.

Honestly, that man deserves to be no where near a SB ring, he truely is a complete jerk.
I couldn't agree more. My feeling on TO is when you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas. However, I know a lot of people on here love him so I'll leave that alone. It's a moot point to argue right now, we should wait until the offseason when it will be a more relevant arguement/debate. I am impressed with his toughness with respect to his finger but that doesn't excuse or justify spitting on someone or any of the other stupid stuff he's done or said.

[bigbluedefense]

Please, I don't want to hear about him crying about his finger now. Thats great and all, but thats no excuse to do what he did. He's still a jerk.

No one questions his game, no one questions his commitment to playing well on the field. He's a complete jerk. Thats all I gotta say about him. Youre all Cowboys fans, so I understand that you'll naturally defend him.

But seriously, if he wasnt a Cowboy, there wouldn't be ONE person here who would support him. Let's be real about it. Thats the damn truth.

[CTCowboysFan]

T.O. didnt say thats why hes dropping the ball. you made that assumption based on deion and marshall saying thats what they believed. The doctors are the ones that said he wont be able to use the finger anymore and i would believe them over you. You're just a hater. without him we wouldnt be nearly as explosive. the guy is the only chance we have to make the SB. without him we are just an average playoff team.

No he didn't say that's why he's dropping the ball, he said in last week's conversation with Michael Irvin that its his unhapiness that is causing those dropped passes. You see how he has an excuse. Hey I am sure there are plenty of receivers with the same problems as him. Nobody is going to have a perfect life but how can he say its a direct result in him dropping the ball. He has a mental issue, or should I say issues.

We may not be as explosive but I bet we could be more productive with a guy like Dwayne Jarrett in here. Use Jarrett as your posession guy and Glenn as speed with Crayton in the slot as a little bit of both. Plus you don't have the distractions, excuses, or useless articles written every week about him.

Owens has had a lot of key drops that say he makes those catches we may have won a few more games. Then the majority of his touchdown catches this season have had no impact on the result of the game ie the TD against Tampa Bay.

[dpl85]

Please, I don't want to hear about him crying about his finger now. Thats great and all, but thats no excuse to do what he did. He's still a jerk.

No one questions his game, no one questions his commitment to playing well on the field. He's a complete jerk. Thats all I gotta say about him. Youre all Cowboys fans, so I understand that you'll naturally defend him.

But seriously, if he wasnt a Cowboy, there wouldn't be ONE person here who would support him. Let's be real about it. Thats the damn truth.
I totally agree with you trust me I don't think anyone hates TO more than me! I've cussed that man out several times this year at the stadium and at home. I'm just trying to not rock the boat because I know 99% of the Cowboys fans on here love TO and will defend him to the death.

[CTCowboysFan]

But seriously, if he wasnt a Cowboy, there wouldn't be ONE person here who would support him. Let's be real about it. Thats the damn truth.

Hey man your right. I am a big homer I won't lie and even I dislike the guy.

[bigbluedefense]

Please, I don't want to hear about him crying about his finger now. Thats great and all, but thats no excuse to do what he did. He's still a jerk.

No one questions his game, no one questions his commitment to playing well on the field. He's a complete jerk. Thats all I gotta say about him. Youre all Cowboys fans, so I understand that you'll naturally defend him.

But seriously, if he wasnt a Cowboy, there wouldn't be ONE person here who would support him. Let's be real about it. Thats the damn truth.
I totally agree with you trust me I don't think anyone hates TO more than me! I've cussed that man out several times this year at the stadium and at home. I'm just trying to not rock the boat because I know 99% of the Cowboys fans on here love TO and will defend him to the death.

Yeah, I understand. I don't see how you can defend TO anymore though. I think most will agree with us to an extent. They won't be as harsh as me, but I think most will agree. I just don't see how you can defend the guy anymore.

[Burns336]

T.O. didnt say thats why hes dropping the ball. you made that assumption based on deion and marshall saying thats what they believed. The doctors are the ones that said he wont be able to use the finger anymore and i would believe them over you. You're just a hater. without him we wouldnt be nearly as explosive. the guy is the only chance we have to make the SB. without him we are just an average playoff team.

No he didn't say that's why he's dropping the ball, he said in last week's conversation with Michael Irvin that its his unhapiness that is causing those dropped passes. You see how he has an excuse. Hey I am sure there are plenty of receivers with the same problems as him. Nobody is going to have a perfect life but how can he say its a direct result in him dropping the ball. He has a mental issue, or should I say issues.

We may not be as explosive but I bet we could be more productive with a guy like Dwayne Jarrett in here. Use Jarrett as your posession guy and Glenn as speed with Crayton in the slot as a little bit of both. Plus you don't have the distractions, excuses, or useless articles written every week about him.

Owens has had a lot of key drops that say he makes those catches we may have won a few more games. Then the majority of his touchdown catches this season have had no impact on the result of the game ie the TD against Tampa Bay.

i would have to disagree with you on this. Dwayne Jarret is nothing more than a young keyshawn at this point. Keyshawn had the hands and the height, he was reliable, and where did it get us? The argument is a little skewed because he had to play with bledsoe unfortunately, but i still dont like having terry glenn as the only homerun threat.

[Poet3334]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

1)Had you lost this game, but still beat the Saints you'd still be the #2 seed.

2)Losing to the Saints gives the Saints the tiebreaker. Therefore, even if the Saints lose this week, they're still the #2

3)Theeeeerefore, last week was more important for your playoff seeding than this week, regardless of the results of the other game.

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's the way the playoff bracketing works. If you still do not understand this, I suggest finding some traffic to play in.


Funny. Wrong, wrong , wrong. This will be my last post on this subject Einstein. The number 2 seed would not matter if we had lost this game. THIS game. We would not be in control of our destiny if we lost this game. I'm a helluva lot more concerned with BEING in the playoffs than with the number 2 seed.

[Poet3334]

Please, I don't want to hear about him crying about his finger now. Thats great and all, but thats no excuse to do what he did. He's still a jerk.

No one questions his game, no one questions his commitment to playing well on the field. He's a complete jerk. Thats all I gotta say about him. Youre all Cowboys fans, so I understand that you'll naturally defend him.

But seriously, if he wasnt a Cowboy, there wouldn't be ONE person here who would support him. Let's be real about it. Thats the damn truth.
I totally agree with you trust me I don't think anyone hates TO more than me! I've cussed that man out several times this year at the stadium and at home. I'm just trying to not rock the boat because I know 99% of the Cowboys fans on here love TO and will defend him to the death.

Yeah, I understand. I don't see how you can defend TO anymore though. I think most will agree with us to an extent. They won't be as harsh as me, but I think most will agree. I just don't see how you can defend the guy anymore.

Yeah BBD, TO's a jackass. I'm pretty sure he did it on purpose to create more attention for himself. What a nasty way to do it though.

[Modano]

Even if TO is the devil, he's our best offensive player. He's the guy that could change a game all by himself. We have no other player like him on offense.. as burns said, without me we are an average playoff team..

[CTCowboysFan]

T.O. didnt say thats why hes dropping the ball. you made that assumption based on deion and marshall saying thats what they believed. The doctors are the ones that said he wont be able to use the finger anymore and i would believe them over you. You're just a hater. without him we wouldnt be nearly as explosive. the guy is the only chance we have to make the SB. without him we are just an average playoff team.

No he didn't say that's why he's dropping the ball, he said in last week's conversation with Michael Irvin that its his unhapiness that is causing those dropped passes. You see how he has an excuse. Hey I am sure there are plenty of receivers with the same problems as him. Nobody is going to have a perfect life but how can he say its a direct result in him dropping the ball. He has a mental issue, or should I say issues.

We may not be as explosive but I bet we could be more productive with a guy like Dwayne Jarrett in here. Use Jarrett as your posession guy and Glenn as speed with Crayton in the slot as a little bit of both. Plus you don't have the distractions, excuses, or useless articles written every week about him.

Owens has had a lot of key drops that say he makes those catches we may have won a few more games. Then the majority of his touchdown catches this season have had no impact on the result of the game ie the TD against Tampa Bay.

i would have to disagree with you on this. Dwayne Jarret is nothing more than a young keyshawn at this point. Keyshawn had the hands and the height, he was reliable, and where did it get us? The argument is a little skewed because he had to play with bledsoe unfortunately, but i still dont like having terry glenn as the only homerun threat.

Exactly. Romo changes a lot, and the Keyshawn comparison is fair which is why I think Parcells will take him if he is available at our pick. And a young Keyshawn means a dominant Keyshawn. We got Keyshawn at the downslope of his career and he still made out well here. I think Dwayne Jarrett would be an excellent addition to this team.

[sweetness34]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

1)Had you lost this game, but still beat the Saints you'd still be the #2 seed.

2)Losing to the Saints gives the Saints the tiebreaker. Therefore, even if the Saints lose this week, they're still the #2

3)Theeeeerefore, last week was more important for your playoff seeding than this week, regardless of the results of the other game.

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's the way the playoff bracketing works. If you still do not understand this, I suggest finding some traffic to play in.


Funny. Wrong, wrong , wrong. This will be my last post on this subject Einstein. The number 2 seed would not matter if we had lost this game. THIS game. We would not be in control of our destiny if we lost this game. I'm a helluva lot more concerned with BEING in the playoffs than with the number 2 seed.

Dude you are going to be in the playoffs even if you lost this game, the NFC is that bad.

And I'd be concerned about a #2 seed if I were you, because I can't see you guys going into New Orleans (which is probably where you'll go) and winning.

Last weeks game was bigger then this week, like I said win or lose. If you win, you guys are the #2 seed and are in the driver seat for a first round bye. If you guys lose then you'll have to go on the road in the 2nd Round against either New Orleans or Chicago. This was a statement game for you guys and you got plastered at home on Sunday Night. Sure this was a big game as well but last weeks was bigger for multiple reasons.

And like I said, you guys are already in the playoffs, whether or not you won or lose this game.

[dpl85]

I think it's safe to say at this point Tony Romo is for real!

It will probably be overlooked because we won but I'm still extremely dissapointed and concerned with the play of our defense. We have talent but we seem to make way too many mental mistakes and it's incredibly frustrating because it seems like we're making the same kind of mistakes over and over again. Our inconsistent pass rush and pass coverage with our safeties and LBs is extremely disconcerting to me. I think the FB throws are the responsibility of the ILBs but I could be wrong about that.

As for the offense, I really think Parcells is making a mistake by letting Tony throw so much and not relying more on the run game and MB3 who should be starting by the way. It hasn't really hurt us yet but I'm afraid it will eventually when we play against a better defense. Tony is still a gunslinger at heart and that is always worrisome as he sometimes makes indiscriminate throws/decisions as Parcells would say.

[CTCowboysFan]

Yep, Barber needs to start so we CAN establish the run and then open it up with Romo. If we did that we could easily be one of the most explosive offenses in the league. About the defense, I think we finally come together this next week against Philly and Parrish will also be active to help out. The reason we gave up the big pass plays is because we played a lot of man coverage trying to keep Vick's mobility limited. I mean it worked for the most part, the only problem is he passed on us and then we gave up 28 lol, but I think the big part is confidence. This defense is not confident right now. The Saints really did a lot of damage to the D emotionally but I think we hold Philly to 17 or less this week. Hold me to it.

[Burns336]

Something that i noticed that nobody else picked up on was the play of watkins. He had a great game and he started. The big plays were on Henry when Nate Jones was in for watkins and on Glenn over at roys side of the field. I actually saw him directing people on 2 seperate occasions. He looked like he really understood where he needed to be for the first time this year. He manned up on crumpler a few times and had a TD saving tackle on vick where he came from the opposite end of the field to lay a hit on vick which actually caused dick vermiel to say "watkins is a big hitter out of FSU" (although we know it isnt true, it sure looked like it) I just hope he keeps up the progress and becomes and everydown player. Hopefully Parrish can add some stability as well.

I saw the Owens interview, and yeah he is an asshole, but hes also the asshole who gives us the best chance to win. He provides a second deep threat that i dont see us getting from a Dwayne Jarret, and even though CTC said the catch he made in the corner of the endzone was easy, upon further review it really was a great catch.

[DancingMonkey]

This is sad.. they reported before the game about TO's ligament tear in his finger and how he'll never be able to bend it again, and I was starting to feel a little more love for the guy as he was seemingly sacrificing something to keep playing. Hate to say it but it seems a little silly now with the whole spitting incident - he didn't even try to deny it on the Post Game interview. Just said he'll "apologize like a man and move on" while Deion looked at him and talked in a tone you'd use while talking to a kid almost. :P

Kinda sad to see, really. TO wouldn't make eye-contact either.

Also - only got to watch the first half, but Ware impressed me greatly. I saw a few plays where instead of rushing towards Vick and losing contain he kept shuffling alongside, and prevented quite a few scrambling opportunities. Great to see from such a young player.

[dpl85]

D-Ware's INT and subsequent return for a TD was one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen a defensive player make let alone a LB/DE. I don't ever want to hear that other guys name who was busted for roids ever again as it relates to the draft day comparisons.

MB3 is a bad ace mother trucker! He delivers more hits than he receives, there's no reason he shouldn't be the starter unless we're just worried about chemistry by making a change this late in the season. MB3 literally ran over at least 2 or 3 people including Keith Brooking and Chris Crocker. He delivered a wicked stiff arm to Crocker. 8)

[Burns336]

D-Ware's INT and subsequent return for a TD was one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen a defensive player make let alone a LB/DE. I don't ever want to hear that other guys name who was busted for roids ever again as it relates to the draft day comparisons.

MB3 is a bad ace mother trucker! He delivers more hits than he receives, there's no reason he shouldn't be the starter unless we're just worried about chemistry by making a change this late in the season. MB3 literally ran over at least 2 or 3 people including Keith Brooking and Chris Crocker. He delivered a wicked stiff arm to Crocker. 8)

I think we should stop putting ware in a stance. Hes much more effective rushing the QB when he starts from a stand and it doesnt hinder his rush defense. Either way, the guy has impressed me with his tackles and smarts, he isnt the sack machine merriman is but he is very solid all around. I think it also hurts that he doesnt have a compliment on the other side. I wish we had burnett over there but hopefully carp works out

[Ward]

Ware's INT made Sportscenter's top 10 as the #1 play. Pretty freakish, I didn't get a chance to see it until a few minutes ago.

[Staubach12]

This is dumb. Last night, we ran the ball 24 times. Jones got 13 of those, and came up with 26 yards. Barber took the other 11 for 69 yards and two TDs. I want to know why we force the ball to Jones when Barber is a better all-around back. I know, I know. "Jones is a home-run threat." But last night, Jones' longest run was 9 yards. Compare that to Barbers' 13 yard run as his longest. In fact, Jones has 5 runs for 20 or more yards. Barber has 4. One more play. Out of Jones' 247 carries (which happens to be 125 more than Barber). I want to see more Barber than Jones next game, because he's just plain better. He's a better runner. He's a better blocker. He's a better reciever. Plus, he's more of Parcells-type back.

[bigbluedefense]

I agree, BP is throwing the ball way too much. I also agree that Barber should start and get 20+ carries a game. Im just not a fan of Julius Jones. I like backs who run for average, they sustain drives and wear down defenses. Barber is a stud.

I think the issue with the FB flats is the ILB is assigned to the FB, and your ILB isn't fast enough to get there in time. I think a quick remedy to that is move Carp inside and have him chase down the FB, but thats a tough thing to do now since he's coming to life on the outside.

I also think that the front 3 is doing a poor job. I attribute alot of your lack of pass rush to them.

Marcus Spears might be a bust.

[Poet3334]

WE DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

WE'RE CHOKING IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Um no, last week was the biggest game of the year for you IMO win or lose.

Um no, you're wrong. This is the big game. If we would have lost, we would be out of first place.
Beeecause you lost last week, in the most important game of the season. If you had won that game you not only would have won the division, but also had been the 2nd seed.

So that makes this game the most important. What are you not understanding? We were still in first place. While it would have been great to have won that game, we did not. Since we did not, this game became the big one.

1)Had you lost this game, but still beat the Saints you'd still be the #2 seed.

2)Losing to the Saints gives the Saints the tiebreaker. Therefore, even if the Saints lose this week, they're still the #2

3)Theeeeerefore, last week was more important for your playoff seeding than this week, regardless of the results of the other game.

This isn't a matter of opinion, it's the way the playoff bracketing works. If you still do not understand this, I suggest finding some traffic to play in.


Funny. Wrong, wrong , wrong. This will be my last post on this subject Einstein. The number 2 seed would not matter if we had lost this game. THIS game. We would not be in control of our destiny if we lost this game. I'm a helluva lot more concerned with BEING in the playoffs than with the number 2 seed.

Dude you are going to be in the playoffs even if you lost this game, the NFC is that bad.

And I'd be concerned about a #2 seed if I were you, because I can't see you guys going into New Orleans (which is probably where you'll go) and winning.

Last weeks game was bigger then this week, like I said win or lose. If you win, you guys are the #2 seed and are in the driver seat for a first round bye. If you guys lose then you'll have to go on the road in the 2nd Round against either New Orleans or Chicago. This was a statement game for you guys and you got plastered at home on Sunday Night. Sure this was a big game as well but last weeks was bigger for multiple reasons.

And like I said, you guys are already in the playoffs, whether or not you won or lose this game.

I'm never sure until I'm sure. Have you seen Dallas over the last couple of years? We can't afford to take anything for granted. I worry about about every game in December much like you do I'm sure. As far as the Saints go, yeah they destroyed us, but I would be more worried about the Giants if they make it. If we play the Saints again, I don't think it will end the same way. Call me crazy.

[cowboysforever]

Uh, Thule, how did those ATL WR look last night?

Ok, so from my ATL wish list that Mr Blank will make possible is Jenkins. He is fing fast and hands looked fine to me. Big too.

On TO, ugggg. Gotta go. No matter his skills.

Our DEs need to work very very hard on learning to pass rush. They look like they don't have a 'sense of speed' that JJ used to talk about.

Lastly, did I hear someone say our ILB are too slow and we need Carp's speed there?

Boy, maybe the professionals on this board should listen to other opinions ....

MB3 is a starter. Hope he packs on a few and becomes the feature back. Julius has no vision or instinct or balance to be a starter. When his contract is done, he is gone.

[Number-94]

I agree, BP is throwing the ball way too much. I also agree that Barber should start and get 20+ carries a game. Im just not a fan of Julius Jones. I like backs who run for average, they sustain drives and wear down defenses. Barber is a stud.

I think the issue with the FB flats is the ILB is assigned to the FB, and your ILB isn't fast enough to get there in time. I think a quick remedy to that is move Carp inside and have him chase down the FB, but thats a tough thing to do now since he's coming to life on the outside.

I also think that the front 3 is doing a poor job. I attribute alot of your lack of pass rush to them.

Marcus Spears might be a bust.

I think the guy missing the flat assignment is the FS. He's(who the FS is) always coming in for the tackle and is near.

As for Spears..I wanted Luis Castillo I didn't care that he got busted. I thought he had better pass rushing skills and while not as good in run defense, could still stand his position. I think it's time for Jay Ratliff to get a chance to start. Canty gets a push but can't get off his man...so mleh

[Modano]

How did Flozell play?

[Number-94]

How did Flozell play?

I was actually surprised by how well he played John Abraham. He got a little help but mainly throughout the game we left Flozell and Colombo on a island. Now our interior line played like crap. Marco Rivera needs to go he's either getting pushed back, blown by, or getting a holding call.

[sweetness34]

How did Flozell play?

I know he got hurt but he did play pretty well from what I saw. I think Romo had about two times where he got some serious pressure.

IMO your OL was the MVP of last night's game. They were awesome in both aspects.

[Poet3334]

How did Flozell play?

I know he got hurt but he did play pretty well from what I saw. I think Romo had about two times where he got some serious pressure.

IMO your OL was the MVP of last night's game. They were awesome in both aspects.

Flo did a good job pushing Abraham wide last night. That was key. Rivera's been pretty average all year, but as a whole I think they played well. Rod Coleman was a load inside last night.

[dpl85]

Marco Rivera is the biggest waste of space I've ever seen, he's literally stealing money from Jerry. He seems like a nice guy but he should just go ahead and retire because he's quite obviously not the player he was for the Packers.

[cowboysforever]

A few short notes:

Flo played great. Looking better and better. Our Tackles are pretty good.

Guards need to be replaced. They get pushed around way too much.

New Orleans will lose 2 of 3. They played their Super Bowl last week. Similar to Philly and G-Men after the Oct games with the Boys. Played their best games of season versus Cowboys.

Philly gets pack back today.

Anyway.....

[cowboysforever]

All this press is causing Adalius Thomas's asking price to go up.

Damn it.

[Poet3334]

I believe Carp had 1.5 sacks last night. Can anyone confirm?

[cowboysforever]

Marco has been a bust. Kosier is at least young and can play a few spots.

Hate to it but our FA signings have been horrid outside of Henry.

[locseti]

Why doesen't MB3 start? What a hog.

[Paul]

Marco has been a bust. Kosier is at least young and can play a few spots.

Hate to it but our FA signings have been horrid outside of Henry.

Rivera was HORRIBLE THIS GAME. Blalock looks better and better.

[Modano]

Kosier is doing a pretty good job so far..I really like him and Gurode..Flozell is now, apparently, back on track and Colombo is solid but unspectacular..
I think that all we need is a RG (and this is a very good year for FA guards, we will for sure be able to take one of those guys) and a T who can be our future at LT or be a stud at RT..

[fryman]

Cowboysforever- nobody will take anything you say seriously until you can actually give reasoning behind your statements. Answersing questions like these would be a start. I can come up with all kinds of crazy strategies that will work in Madden, they mean nothing in real life.

if you could even explain the duties of the positions in the front seven of a 3-4 I would be surprised.

Spears to NT explain why you think Spears would be a good NT. Could he take on two blockers and clog the middle? Why get rid of Ferguson when he has been one of the best players on D and is one of the most consistant?

Henry to safety and a young guy start CB? Who would you want to start? What have you seen from that person that makes you think they can start? Why make CB questionable to fix the FS position?

Bring in a young WR that has done nothing HOPING that he turns around? I would rather we don't play the lottery with free agency. The draft is the only place you pick up unproven players. Free agency you get players that show they are capable.

[dpl85]

I believe Carp had 1.5 sacks last night. Can anyone confirm?
You are correct sir. I thought Bobby had 2 but it turns out he shared one with Ware. Bobby played very well.

[CTCowboysFan]

and even though CTC said the catch he made in the corner of the endzone was easy, upon further review it really was a great catch.

No I did not say it was easy. I said any number one receiver could make that catch.

Marvin Harrison
Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Chris Chambers
Randy Moss
Roy Williams
Donald Driver
Plaxico Burress

all could have made that catch. It was a great catch, but it's not something any one of these receivers couldn't do. And heck just for the sake of argument, Dwayne Jarrett could have made that catch also.

[Paul]

Julius went over a 1,000yds, he's at 1019. He's the first to cross 1,000 since Emmitt left am I right?