Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[LSUALUM99]

You see Cowboysforever, this is why your comments are ridiculous.

First, you don't get a 'benefit' of Rogers' salary cap hit if you trade for him. Furthermore, the salary cap hit is a reason why the OTHER team wouldn't make the trade.

Second, your trade scenarios are stupid because they involve a win/lose trade scenario. In your scenarios the Cowboys win by getting a dominant DT and the Lions lose by getting a Safety. Regardless of whether the safety is good or bad (that's a matter of opinion) DT is a more impactful position than safety (that's a widely regarded truth). Trades are not win / lose, that's where the 'Madden' talk comes into play. Some trades work out that way, but usually because of circumstances that come to light AFTER the trade is done, not before.

Third, you don't seem to realize that in the NFL, no team is unflawed. The Cowboys will end up 10-6 this year. That's exactly where I've said they'd be and on the high end of almost all predicitons. You're taking a team that's performed at or better than most expectations and expecting to blow up the roster by getting rid of TO, Roy Williams, Bradie James, Marco Rivera, etc. That's not realistic nor even a good idea. You don't get rid of 20-25% of your starting lineup on a PLAYOFF team just for the sake of doing it.

Fourth, the NFL is about Talent Acquisition, Salary Cap Management, AND Football. You cannot do 2 of them well and disregard the third in the process. You have to balance all of the facets well. So far, the Cowboys have done an excellent job of balancing all three.

Lastly, your notion that Bill Parcells has been a poor talent evaluator shows just how BAD your knowledge base is. Bill Parcells is the only coach in NFL history to lead 4 seperate teams to the playoffs. Bill Parcells is a phenomenal talent evaluator. Not only is he good at bringing in talent, he's also excells at developing the talent he has. Other than TO, every player on the Cowboys that is a major contributor is either a) a former parcells player that he brought in or b) a player BP has developed while here. All this for a Playoff team that before his arrival had 15 wins in 3 seasons preceding his hiring.

The fact that we use logic and real world knowledge, not some video game theory to make our decisions, does not make us fanboys. That fact makes us informed and you misguided.

[Gribble]

Hey everybody. I was expecting a much better performance today and we came out flat on both sides of the ball.

Trivia: Bill Parcells' first name isn't really Bill.

It's Duane.

[Gribble]

Would anybody think it was a bad idea if we got Randy Moss?

[Paul]

Would anybody think it was a bad idea if we got Randy Moss?

Very bad Idea. Not a fan of Moss at all.

[Gribble]

Would anybody think it was a bad idea if we got Randy Moss?

Very bad Idea. Not a fan of Moss at all.

Well, Parcells has a knack for getting the most out of players and Randy Moss always goes for broke against the Cowboys for not picking him in the 1st round.

It wouldn't be a stretch in my opinion. If T.O. can stop saying stupid stuff and get his hand fixed, then I would be happier, but...

[Paul]

Moss's recent comments about not giving 100% or quitting on his team really made me lose respect for him. Even TO, with all his headaches plays hard when he is out there, that is why so many people put up with him. BP will never even consider acquiring a player with the mentality Moss has.

[Gribble]

Moss's recent comments about not giving 100% or quitting on his team really made me lose respect for him. Even TO, with all his headaches plays hard when he is out there, that is why so many people put up with him. BP will never even consider acquiring a player with the mentality Moss has.

I disagree. He turned down the Bucs job (the year they won the Super Bowl) in 2002 and took the Cowboys job the next year. Parcells' attachment to rebuilding and reclamation projects makes me think that this might be a challenge he would take.

Besides... Who wouldn't be upset playing for ART SHELL? (THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF PARCELLS!)

[TheFan0520]

What good would Randy Moss do, the Cowboys already have a hard time utilizing Terrell Owens to the best of his abilities. No running game = no offense for this Cowboys team. Can't win it on the pass alone, this team can't do that. When teams take the Cowboys out of their running game, it's essentially game over for Dallas.

[thule]

2 pages and not one mention of how terrible our oline played :shock:

This was easily the worst showing of the year. Jim Johnson did do some tricky things...but bottom line is....Rivera is old and getting abused. Gurode almost seems to be trying to make up for his mistakes. Flozell is on a downward spiral...Koiser is what he is...Columbo and Gurode are holding our sorry ass line together and its pathetic. You can't win ballgames running the ball the way we do.

This is directly effecting our running game. Does anyone else realize that since we have made the change to Romo that JJ hasn't had a rushing average above 4ypc other then the saints game. Another thing that just gets me going is how we can't run against teams that are terrible against the run. We ran like trash against Indy...trash against the eagles...THOSE ARE THE TWO WORST rushing defenses in the league. We can't even get a yard on the goalline or on 4th in one by running the ball...we have to hope for a breakdown or a slip to score...pathetic on the ol's shoulder. Even with this terrible line we have the 4th best overall rushing attack in the NFC. We are 4th in about every running catagory.

How many times have we watched a game and get to see Romo bouncing around comfy in the pocket. This is something that seemingly every team we play gets to do more often then not. This has to be a problem with our OL...no reason for this.

For the first time this season I actually not sure if I see TO here. I would really love to see the cap numbers vs. keeping him and cutting him. He has done great things for us this year...but he doesn't seem to work on things he's doing wrong. I'm not talking about catching the football after watching pregame today I think its safe to say its his injuries that are the big deal with catching. But with his route running. I mean sure it makes it hard to beat the jam with an injuried hand....but you can't get redirected on every route. Madden was dead on when talking about TO today...and it really helped open my eyes. He does get to close to the sidelines...he does need more snaps from the slot...he is not as demanding off the line as he once was...and if he keeps on this way...teams will jam him for the rest of the year. I would like to see him come and and be more physical off the line our next 2 games.

If he fails to do this...I think it will raise something interesting. First of all will teams actually trade for TO...second or all will the persume we are cutting him and just wait for the time. I could definately see us cutting him barring Cap hits and such...but is he actual trade bait? This is what I'd be curious to see.

Our DE's were playing great today. Spears is faster then garcia...you got to love that...he was constantly around Garcia...Canty is doing his job...and got more pressure then usual. Furgy turned in another great game...making tackles from the middle and also forcing two blockers on himself all day. We won't be addressing DE this draft...Hatcher plays like a stud at DE when he plays...and Coleman is definately a solid cheap vet who deserves to be on this team next year.

The ellis loss is really starting to show right now. Carp still appears to be lost when playing...once again shedding his blocks just a half a second too late. His development was truely lengthen by the movement to the middle earlier this year and its clear that it has lead to his slow development on the outside. Singleton is playing as solid as expected but you can truely see the talent decrease when he is on the field. Akin and Bradie are playing decent...but would really like to see them filling the holes deeper into the backfield...they seem to run laterally just a bit to long...if the went n/s quicker might cause a bit more confusion to opposing rb's on which lane to choose.

It's so self-evident that Roy is playing deep in cover 2 is hurting this team. He comes flying from his position but just seems to be a bit late on dropping the opponite in the backfield. Instead he appears to be playing containment more with the lack of a SOLB forcing the issue. We look like we have faith in Watkins now that he has seen the majority of the playing time in two games. Just need to prove his worth and get roy up in that robber role...he is truely playing to his weakness as a cover 2 safety. We are not the Bills on defense....he needs to be up.

I learned alot about our draft from this game. OL only has 2 true positions of need to be addressed with youth. I'll be curious to see if we hear anything about McQwistens development in the offseason...because I think its clear Flo will be replaced sooner than later. His contract is up next year or the year after if I'm not mistaken...I'd be curious to see if he has any trade value. I don't exactly seem him being cut this offseason...but its more due to the lack of OT depth then it is because of his cap number and such. He has a hefty contract...but could be spread over multiple years since his deal is nearly done.

I think parcells would like to see a nice developmental NT to give furgy a breather from time to time...Ratliff just doesn't have the beef..and we truely can use him playing at the way he is now in the nickle.

I think we address defense with 2 of the 3 first day picks. I still think we value a raw CB prospect with return skills. I still think we go OG on the first day. I could see us go NT or ILB/OLB depending on where we see Carp in our future. Fowler can easily be replaced by a younger guy...by this time next year we will have more then enough veteran leadership in our LB corp. So bringing in youth to the inside wouldn't be a bad idea. We need someone to pair with Burnett in the nickel...Carp seemed to play it well in training camp..but IDK if that is future plans or not.

I'm not sold on us going LB in the first round...esspecially if our coaching staff leaves Carp outside...then I could see ILB as a later need...but if thats the case I could definately see a speed/gamebreaker type of guy. Like I've said before Craig Davis would make alot of sense in big D. Not only this but my man Ginn would be the ideal pick.

The more and more I watch our running game...the more and more I see it as a possibility of JJ not being here next year. He hasn't played bad...but like i've said multiple times...his rookie contract comes up in the next two years...and he will be looking for an extension...if we have interest I could definately see us landing a mid/late 2nd rounder. He just seems to be to programmed at this point...and as much blame as i put on the ol he just doesn't seem to read cutback lanes very well. With 1200 yards or so this season...he should be shopable...he did answer his injury concerns...If a guy like bush falls it would really make alot of sense imo.

As far as the Randy Moss thoughts...Personally I'd love him in Big D he will be 30 in febuary...which is terribly old. He has more talent then any reciever in the league. He would be an upgrade over TO and would be a better reciever to fit our offense. With the way that Romo plays...he would also compliment him better. His go deep and outjump the DB would be better then owens run by the DB and hit him in stride i think. I definately think we would lose some physicality on offense...and some run blocking...but when your winning players sacrifice a bit more. He did block in MN when they were winning. He did go over the middle...he did run quick slants...if you make a game compeitive a player is more apt to lay it all on the line. Owens is four years older than Moss and not as naturally gifted. I don't know exactly what Oak would be interested from dallas...probabally a guy like Burnett and a guy like Crayton. I love Crayton as much as the next guy...but his contract come up shortly and we have to start thinking about the youth we do have at the position. I think he has some value at this point also. I would more then welcome Moss in Big D.

[cowboysforever]

LSU, you crack me up cuz you try to sound reasonable but you come of like a politician saying 'I support motherhood' and all these other meaningless football platitudes.

1. If we trade Roy to Detroit and take a salary cap hit but get Rogers then Detroit takes the same hit. It is a near algebraic wash.

2. My proposal of Roy and Burnett is valuable for both teams, including Detroit.

3. Bill Parcells has historically shied away from superior athletes in favor of his type of guyz (smart and hardworking). Even in the draft. This is his history. Period.

4 BP is a great developer of players. We sort of agree.

5 BP needs a DC with some brains. Get the feeling Zimmer is lost.

6 BP, you and the rest of the ladies are over valuing our talent and we have a MAJOR problem on this team. We are slow and as a result no play makers.

Just look at our drafts and find me top end play makers or speed he has gone for? We are slow and this is a result of Bill unfortunately disparaging people who use 40 times to do evals and looking down on the athlete piece of the puzzle.

He frequently mocks Scouts by saying 'If they did not have a stop watch they would not know how to order them (on the draft board).' This is fact and a major BP flaw.

He over rates his ability to teach and somethings can't be taught. Sometimes you just gotta find em bigger and faster.

So, the team has a slow problem that BP has created by eschewing top tier athletes in favor of the like of Carpenter and Fasano ....

Botox is too stupid to solve this while placating BP and instead goes for TO type signings cuz Duane can't ***** to much about it.

Anyway, other issue --- no surprise if Moss ends up here. Another TO type cancer that BP will accept and make Botox feel good about himself as imbecile GM.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, I will say the following to placate you and the other 'don't worry be happy guyz'

Keep TO and the RB mess. Keep Roy and Watkins and only one slow ILB but I beg .....

Get us two quality athletic, powerful guards, get us a real NT to push the pocket and rotate with Fergie, get Carpenter at ILB and get us a real WOLB so we can move Ware to SOLB where he belongs.

Screw the cap hit. Already did it for a kicker.

[Number-94]

It might just be me but with Roy playing deep in Cover 2 and still getting beat deep. Why don't we just put him near the line and see what Watkins has to offer as a center fielder? I mean I'm sure he'll do just as good as Roy is playing Cover 2. As good as Newman is it seems Bill doesn't trust him like he should.

To me it looks like he helps Newman and Henry the same. Put newman on an island and prove to us he should of went to the probowl last year. Sure he might get beat deep once in a while, but maybe that would make him play the ball more to get more INTS. Which he needs to do. I like the fact that he plays the man but I mean there are times where he could take the INT to the house. But is scared to jump the route when he clearly could have.

We need to pick O-line all 3 picks first day. We suck that bad. Trade Rivera for a 7th if anyone even wants him for that, maybe he'd be a good tutor though.

[Paul]

It might just be me but with Roy playing deep in Cover 2 and still getting beat deep. Why don't we just put him near the line and see what Watkins has to offer as a center fielder? I mean I'm sure he'll do just as good as Roy is playing Cover 2. As good as Newman is it seems Bill doesn't trust him like he should.

To me it looks like he helps Newman and Henry the same. Put newman on an island and prove to us he should of went to the probowl last year. Sure he might get beat deep once in a while, but maybe that would make him play the ball more to get more INTS. Which he needs to do. I like the fact that he plays the man but I mean there are times where he could take the INT to the house. But is scared to jump the route when he clearly could have.

We need to pick O-line all 3 picks first day. We suck that bad. Trade Rivera for a 7th if anyone even wants him for that, maybe he'd be a good tutor though.

I don't know about all 3 picks, but we def need to address it. Gurode and Kosier are stout and there position, and Colombo has been more then serviceable. Flozell has been... meh good here horrible there kind of season. Rivera has been DREADFUL. but this is nothing new, we all been saying this since the first Giants game.

[Gribble]

It might just be me but with Roy playing deep in Cover 2 and still getting beat deep. Why don't we just put him near the line and see what Watkins has to offer as a center fielder? I mean I'm sure he'll do just as good as Roy is playing Cover 2. As good as Newman is it seems Bill doesn't trust him like he should.

To me it looks like he helps Newman and Henry the same. Put newman on an island and prove to us he should of went to the probowl last year. Sure he might get beat deep once in a while, but maybe that would make him play the ball more to get more INTS. Which he needs to do. I like the fact that he plays the man but I mean there are times where he could take the INT to the house. But is scared to jump the route when he clearly could have.

We need to pick O-line all 3 picks first day. We suck that bad. Trade Rivera for a 7th if anyone even wants him for that, maybe he'd be a good tutor though.

I don't know about all 3 picks, but we def need to address it. Gurode and Kosier are stout and there position, and Colombo has been more then serviceable. Flozell has been... meh good here horrible there kind of season. Rivera has been DREADFUL. but this is nothing new, we all been saying this since the first Giants game.

I think the mentality that we need at O-Line isn't there. With Flozell as the leader the whole unit takes on his "soft" approach. Right now the loss of Larry Allen is very important from a morale standpoint in that the other players always knew that he could manhandle the strongest DTs in the league. Now, 3 of out 5 of our lineman are average most of the time.

Other questions:

1. Why didn't we pick Steven Jackson?
2. Why did Tyson Thompson have to get hurt?
3. Do we want to win the division and play NYG at home or not and play SEA on the road?

[thule]

Thule, I will say the following to placate you and the other 'don't worry be happy guyz'

Keep TO and the RB mess. Keep Roy and Watkins and only one slow ILB but I beg .....

Get us two quality athletic, powerful guards, get us a real NT to push the pocket and rotate with Fergie, get Carpenter at ILB and get us a real WOLB so we can move Ware to SOLB where he belongs.

Screw the cap hit. Already did it for a kicker.

I really don't think we'll have the same RB situation we did last year. That would really be surprising me. I guess it really comes down to the interest.

TO is fine if we don't go after Moss...my only worry is if we lose TO...do we expert Hurd to be the guy...noone in FA screams #1 wr...and however good Hurd has been...him as a #1 guy isn't gonna scare many people.

I constantly question where the best spot for Ware to play. But it doesn't matter because we don't have anyone to play WOLB. The problem with this is...noone in this draft really screams 3-4 pass rusher. Noone...the closest we can come to is a journey man. The only guy I can really think of is Lamar Woodley and he would be even worse in coverage then Singleton. My darkhorse to the OLB position if Carp stays inside is Posluszny. This is probabally the pick you would hate the most. But bottomline is this guy is one of the highest regaurded LB's ever out of penn state...and he could play outside or inside. Actually reminds me of a more polished..more instinctive Carpenter. Reports have it that he may fall in the draft...and I don't know if I would put it past parcells to pick up another big 10 LB. Esspecially one as highly decorated as Paul. But I'm not even gonna start speculating on which players I think will fall..because it might just get to be too much.

I also don't know who you see as a dominate DT to colapse the pocket in this draft. Tank is the most true DT in the draft...and hes not known for his ability to get into the backfield...although I think he has done a nice job this year. Okoye is quite the project...and while he may have the size it will take awhile to get him ready to be the player we expect him to be. Pitcock is high on some peoples board and not as high on others. Bottom line is I have a hard time seeing him holding up the middle of a 3-4 in the future...so I don't even consider him.

[thule]

To add to the OLB in this draft.
The more I think about Woodley as an OLB the more I like the idea. I want to see him in some coverage activity in the offseason. If he shows smooth hips I will be all over him.

Another guy that me and D esspecially looked at last year was Quentin Moses. Now this year he has alot of doubters...but he was a dark horse last year...and could very well be the same this year.

Some people are high on Spencer...but to tell you the truth of the couple of Purdue games I truely watched and evalutated this year...he didn't seem to have that game changing ability....so I look at him as a 2nd/3rd round prospect.

D, I was wondering if you could fill us all in on Ikaika Alama-Francis. I'm sure you've seen alot of him. Kiper obviously opened my eyes to him...but could you see him as our Jason Hatcher pick this year? Seems to have alot of what Parcells likes. As much as I hate the thought of drafting a DE...he looks like he could be a late round gem with some work.

As far as DTs go again...I was doing some more reading and Ola Dagunduro, outta Nebraska seems to be right up parcells alley. I wouldn't be surprised to see us take a shot on him on the 2nd day.

[Burns336]

i've defended T.O. week in and week out but this week I've have it. Getting involved earlier in the game and all that is a bunch of crap. We were still in the game, only down 16-7 when he dropped the first pass. He said it was right on him when he looked up but if you watch the replay he took atleast 3 and a half steps with his eyes on the ball before it got there. He should be boo'd and he better step up for the playoffs.

Whats up with Roy? im not talking about the coverage either. On all the rush plays, he would run up and just throw a shoulder into the tight end and get taken out of the play. He hardly made any tackles and i havnt seen a bone jarring hit all season?

It seems like our stars have confidence issues right now and we really cant afford that. I think all of the talk on ESPN magnifying T.O.'s drops earlier on in the season and the talk of Roy being overratted has really gotten to both of them. Neither one seems to be the player they were in years past.

[thule]

i've defended T.O. week in and week out but this week I've have it. Getting involved earlier in the game and all that is a bunch of crap. We were still in the game, only down 16-7 when he dropped the first pass. He said it was right on him when he looked up but if you watch the replay he took atleast 3 and a half steps with his eyes on the ball before it got there. He should be boo'd and he better step up for the playoffs.

Whats up with Roy? im not talking about the coverage either. On all the rush plays, he would run up and just throw a shoulder into the tight end and get taken out of the play. He hardly made any tackles and i havnt seen a bone jarring hit all season?

It seems like our stars have confidence issues right now and we really cant afford that. I think all of the talk on ESPN magnifying T.O.'s drops earlier on in the season and the talk of Roy being overratted has really gotten to both of them. Neither one seems to be the player they were in years past.

I meantioned all this in my rant earlier...but one thing to mention about Roy....I believe he is playing containment with the lack of SOLB...just a thought..i'm not coach...but that seems to be why he is just blowing up the far blocker.

[Gribble]

I can't believe he droppeed that pass. Unbelievable throw by Romo.

[Paul]

Thule, I will say the following to placate you and the other 'don't worry be happy guyz'

Keep TO and the RB mess. Keep Roy and Watkins and only one slow ILB but I beg .....

Get us two quality athletic, powerful guards, get us a real NT to push the pocket and rotate with Fergie, get Carpenter at ILB and get us a real WOLB so we can move Ware to SOLB where he belongs.

Screw the cap hit. Already did it for a kicker.

You act as if you were more knowledgeable then BP or anybody else on that staff. We all know the weaknesses on the team, we know Rivera is terrible , the TO drops are not good and Roy playing in center field is just a bad idea, but you seem to overreact and come up with some of the most ridiculous "cures". That is why you have very little respect and credibility around here. We cannot just cut and trade everybody at a whim, especially players like Roy and Bradie. You may think there "Slow", but they are the heart of this D, they are the leaders when they go out there. That's what you seem to forget or even consider. You just want "Fast" players and "athletes", you can take the best athletes if you want, but I want the best Football players.

Face it cowboysforever, you pretty much put yourself into a position where nobody will ever take your ideas and theories seriously just for the mere fact you never take into account the consequences it may bring to the cap, the chemistry and really you arguments never have any kind of rationality. So please, for your own sake, shut up.

[Gribble]

Thule, I will say the following to placate you and the other 'don't worry be happy guyz'

Keep TO and the RB mess. Keep Roy and Watkins and only one slow ILB but I beg .....

Get us two quality athletic, powerful guards, get us a real NT to push the pocket and rotate with Fergie, get Carpenter at ILB and get us a real WOLB so we can move Ware to SOLB where he belongs.

Screw the cap hit. Already did it for a kicker.

Are we 3-12 or something? Did I miss the part where we made the playoffs with TONS of youth on our defense? Drastic moves like you're calling for aren't necessary when we're building from within.

I don't know if we're overachieving, but next year looks really good, especially if Carpenter can master the system and Watkins or another safety can step up.

[cowboysforever]

Paul, I really only have three comments for you;

1. The Shaun Rogers for Burnett and Williams proposal is a good one that fits both teams all around. Money and team needs.

2. Your constant argument that Bradie and Roy can't be changed because they are the 'heart' of the D is lacking any XOXO insight. It is repition of what you are fed by the media.

3 This team has a speed deficit no matter how you slice it and a lack of playermakers in the front seven -- you can not achieve BP's desire for a dominant D without speedy playmakers.

As I said last in the NFL is plays behind the Line of Scrimage.

Facts are facts. If you accept them maybe it becomes easier to fix them.

I may not be a great XOXO guy but you don't get to where I am without keen powers of observation and the ballz to fix them.

Good luck kid.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, I will say the following to placate you and the other 'don't worry be happy guyz'

Keep TO and the RB mess. Keep Roy and Watkins and only one slow ILB but I beg .....

Get us two quality athletic, powerful guards, get us a real NT to push the pocket and rotate with Fergie, get Carpenter at ILB and get us a real WOLB so we can move Ware to SOLB where he belongs.

Screw the cap hit. Already did it for a kicker.

Are we 3-12 or something? Did I miss the part where we made the playoffs with TONS of youth on our defense? Drastic moves like you're calling for aren't necessary when we're building from within.

I don't know if we're overachieving, but next year looks really good, especially if Carpenter can master the system and Watkins or another safety can step up.

Well Watkins and Carpenter help the speed thing.

Whether or not that is enough is open to debate.

If so however, Bradie or Roy needs to go, lose weight or something.

Tired of RB and TE turn into Pro Bowl pass catchers with these two laboring to get to the ball.

[Gribble]

Does anybody agree with me that we shouldn't sit any starters against Detroit? I think momentum is more important here than getting rest for the playoffs.

[bigbluedefense]

Cowboysforever, youre really turning the cowboys team discussion into crap right now. You make some valid points, but then you also say some things that makes me question how much you really know about the game. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

[cowboysforever]

Cowboysforever, youre really turning the cowboys team discussion into crap right now. You make some valid points, but then you also say some things that makes me question how much you really know about the game. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

Big blue, I make my money coming to conclusions quickly and acting on them. If that is awful, I dunno what to say.

[taylor03]

You people crack me the hell up.

This team is one and done in the playoffs. The worst thing that could happen to this team is that Parcells stays one more year. Yeah thats right you heard me...Parcells needs to go! He is ovverrated as I have said many times on this board. This team has NO DIRECTION, hell our defense could not stop the Oakland Raiders offense on our BEST DAY.

Let me ask you what has Parcells done for this team? What? He has done NOTHING since Gailey and Campo...nothing! Oh and lets talk about that wonderful Bobby Caprenter pick at 17, oh wow...what a pick! Its time real fans on this board stop making excuses and start getting mad about things. I am so glad that the local media here is Dallas is hammering Parcells and his ability to coach and draft! Maybe thats the only way to put the pressure on this jerk off owner to make some real changes.

Face it, all Parcells has done is take a 5-10 team and turn them into a 9-7 piece of garbage. Thats it!!! It has taken us 4 years to get this good.....JC look what Jimmy did in the same amount of time with a worse team! Yeah yeah...I know free agency etc...but you had to be better back then to win it all. So that takes care of that point. This team needs a young coach with FIRE...a young staff and a new direction.

Parcells OVERRATED....PERIOD! He won one superbowl way back when against a tiny defense in Denver. Other than that he should not have even beat the Bills. Norwood won that game for him...So what has he done since 86? You tell me!

[cowboysforever]

Thule, he may not test well in space, he may be short for BP and he may only be mid 4.6 but Woodley in the late 1 maybe a great pick.

Him and Canty of the weak side with Ware and Spears on the strong side would be nice.

Woodley is a strong cat and is playing in a conference with 3 legit round 1 tackles. He makes plays behind the LOS and can rush the passer.

If this happens, where do you go 2nd? OL?

[bigbluedefense]

Cowboysforever, youre really turning the cowboys team discussion into crap right now. You make some valid points, but then you also say some things that makes me question how much you really know about the game. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

Big blue, I make my money coming to conclusions quickly and acting on them. If that is awful, I dunno what to say.

But some of your conclusions are off base. The LB core is fine. ILBs aren't supposed to be pass rushers in this scheme, theyre supposed to be run stuffers with decent coverage, and Dallas has that.

The 3 downlinemen are the problem. They got pushed around last night. They provide no push in the pass rush. Ware to a degree is at fault too, his pass rush has been mediocre. Its not about just sacks, Ware isnt even getting hurries right now. Outside of that one good play, he was invisible out there as a pass rusher.

The problems with the defense are simple. The 3 downlinemen, and the pass rush. Thats ultimately it. I think Parcells is running his defense too vanilla as well, but he also always 2 gaps his DE's so the LBs can get a better rush off the edge, something that the LBs are not taking advantage of.

Roy is a liability in coverage, that is well known. But a lack of FS is hurting his play as well. I personally don't like Roy that much, I think he's overrated, but he can still work in this scheme with the addition of a FS, or if Watkins develops.

This game however, was not about Roy. It wasn't about Watkins either. It was about Dallas's defense, and offensive line getting dominated in the trenches. Dallas isn't particularly dominant in the trenches, and Philly is very strong in the trenches. Put the 2 together, and this is what happens.

I was not fond of the playcalling either. But at the same time, the oline provided no holes for the run game, plus Philly was putting up points, so you had to throw more.

Defensive playcalling was pretty vanilla too. But once again, everytime you guys blitzed, it still didn't get there. Its once again, because the 3 downlinemen are not doing their job occupying blockers.

[taylor03]

Defensive playcalling was pretty vanilla too. But once again, everytime you guys blitzed, it still didn't get there. Its once again, because the 3 downlinemen are not doing their job occupying blockers.

Thats Parcells for ya vanilla....four years to do what? Nothing.....sooner we get rid of this overrated lard ass from Yankee land the better.

[cowboysforever]

You people crack me the hell up.

This team is one and done in the playoffs. The worst thing that could happen to this team is that Parcells stays one more year. Yeah thats right you heard me...Parcells needs to go! He is ovverrated as I have said many times on this board. This team has NO DIRECTION, hell our defense could not stop the Oakland Raiders offense on our BEST DAY.

Let me ask you what has Parcells done for this team? What? He has done NOTHING since Gailey and Campo...nothing! Oh and lets talk about that wonderful Bobby Caprenter pick at 17, oh wow...what a pick! Its time real fans on this board stop making excuses and start getting mad about things. I am so glad that the local media here is Dallas is hammering Parcells and his ability to coach and draft! Maybe thats the only way to put the pressure on this jerk off owner to make some real changes.

Face it, all Parcells has done is take a 5-10 team and turn them into a 9-7 piece of garbage. Thats it!!! It has taken us 4 years to get this good.....JC look what Jimmy did in the same amount of time with a worse team! Yeah yeah...I know free agency etc...but you had to be better back then to win it all. So that takes care of that point. This team needs a young coach with FIRE...a young staff and a new direction.

Parcells OVERRATED....PERIOD! He won one superbowl way back when against a tiny defense in Denver. Other than that he should not have even beat the Bills. Norwood won that game for him...So what has he done since 86? You tell me!

I love BP and want him back but facts are facts -- the drafts of this team since Jimmy Johnson left have been atrocius. Among the worst in the NFL.

Botox Jones needs to take some responsibility for it. Him and his son are playing way over their heads.

I can not name a pick outside round 1 that is a top-end pro bowl talent since Larry Allen in 1994,

[taylor03]

I sound pissed because I am...and I care about this team. In fact it my passion. But we have waited 4 years now....4. And its time to put up or shut up. This team WAS in the best position it had been in for years and look at what it has done. Its time to get this ting headed in a new direction. We need a new coach, coaching staff...and by all accounts a new scouting department. Carpenter witht eh 17th pick was an abolute joke. If anything this team should have just traded out of the round. I would rather see this team crash and burn at 2-14 then go 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7 every damn year. At least when you are on the bottom there is only one way to go and that is up.

[Modano]

I sound pissed because I am...and I care about this team. In fact it my passion. But we have waited 4 years now....4. And its time to put up or shut up. This team WAS in the best position it had been in for years and look at what it has done. Its time to get this ting headed in a new direction. We need a new coach, coaching staff...and by all accounts a new scouting department. Carpenter witht eh 17th pick was an abolute joke. If anything this team should have just traded out of the round. I would rather see this team crash and burn at 2-14 then go 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7 every damn year. At least when you are on the bottom there is only one way to go and that is up.

But lendale white would have been sweet at #18, yeah TexicoFromMexico?

You can't say that a guy is not worth his pick in his first year!! It's a dumb thing. Let's see how Carpenter develope, how many lbs did nothing in their first one or two years? Porter, Bulluck, Vrabel are just a couple of names.

And wow.. He have invested high draft picks and money in the d-line and the lb core and we are giving up on them? Spears, Canty, Hatcher, Ratliff... give them 3 years..

And we drafted an OLB in the first round last year and we are talking about drafting another? Give Carpenter some time!
I hate when people jump to conclusion after a bad loss..

[cowboysforever]

Carpenter was a reach at 17 but he was not getting past the Pats or Carolina.

Problem is BP wanted a LB so bad they reached. Too boot, they made the classic BP draft mistake of going for a BP guy -- slow, white and marginally bright.

At that pick Lawson for WOLB and Ware to SOLB would have solved more but Lawson was not a BP guy in spite of his superior athletics and superior frame. Bobby came from a great family don't ya know!!!!

And this is why BP is not a good talent guy but a great development guy.

[cowboysforever]

Fasano also was a classic BP reach in the draft. Slower, white but a great guy.

This draft was loaded at TE and they could have taken a superior athlete but alas Fasano was from a great family don't ya know!!!!

[Poet3334]

I sound pissed because I am...and I care about this team. In fact it my passion. But we have waited 4 years now....4. And its time to put up or shut up. This team WAS in the best position it had been in for years and look at what it has done. Its time to get this ting headed in a new direction. We need a new coach, coaching staff...and by all accounts a new scouting department. Carpenter witht eh 17th pick was an abolute joke. If anything this team should have just traded out of the round. I would rather see this team crash and burn at 2-14 then go 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7 every damn year. At least when you are on the bottom there is only one way to go and that is up.

But lendale white would have been sweet at #18, yeah TexicoFromMexico?

You can't say that a guy is not worth his pick in his first year!! It's a dumb thing. Let's see how Carpenter develope, how many lbs did nothing in their first one or two years? Porter, Bulluck, Vrabel are just a couple of names.

And wow.. He have invested high draft picks and money in the d-line and the lb core and we are giving up on them? Spears, Canty, Hatcher, Ratliff... give them 3 years..

And we drafted an OLB in the first round last year and we are talking about drafting another? Give Carpenter some time!
I hate when people jump to conclusion after a bad loss..

That's who I thought it sounded like too :D

Honestly though, there are serious issues on this defensive line. I Think we do need more pressure players, not just there but everywhere. It's absolutely disheartening to watch defensive series after defensive series and see no push or pressure. We need our ends to be more aggressive and get off of their blocks. We need a pocket collapsing DT, and we need a pass rushing linebacker.

[cowboysforever]

BP teaches all the right qualities to succeed in football and life but that can only take an average talent to above average. This is why BP may be the best teacher in football.

An analogy to this is the grade school teacher who falls in love with the moderately smart kid who is a hard worker and keeps his desk clean and does his homework ... will never be Stephen Hawking but a good accountant maybe who will be forgotten once out of sight.

[cowboysforever]

What is the Board's read on Kosier? Got value or another slow, white, BP 'I will make him great' reach?

Everyone thought the Cowboys nuts for this pick-up as well as Henry 2 years back.

[cowboysforever]

Cowboysforever, youre really turning the cowboys team discussion into crap right now. You make some valid points, but then you also say some things that makes me question how much you really know about the game. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

Big blue, I make my money coming to conclusions quickly and acting on them. If that is awful, I dunno what to say.

But some of your conclusions are off base. The LB core is fine. ILBs aren't supposed to be pass rushers in this scheme, theyre supposed to be run stuffers with decent coverage, and Dallas has that.

The 3 downlinemen are the problem. They got pushed around last night. They provide no push in the pass rush. Ware to a degree is at fault too, his pass rush has been mediocre. Its not about just sacks, Ware isnt even getting hurries right now. Outside of that one good play, he was invisible out there as a pass rusher.

The problems with the defense are simple. The 3 downlinemen, and the pass rush. Thats ultimately it. I think Parcells is running his defense too vanilla as well, but he also always 2 gaps his DE's so the LBs can get a better rush off the edge, something that the LBs are not taking advantage of.

Roy is a liability in coverage, that is well known. But a lack of FS is hurting his play as well. I personally don't like Roy that much, I think he's overrated, but he can still work in this scheme with the addition of a FS, or if Watkins develops.

This game however, was not about Roy. It wasn't about Watkins either. It was about Dallas's defense, and offensive line getting dominated in the trenches. Dallas isn't particularly dominant in the trenches, and Philly is very strong in the trenches. Put the 2 together, and this is what happens.

I was not fond of the playcalling either. But at the same time, the oline provided no holes for the run game, plus Philly was putting up points, so you had to throw more.

Defensive playcalling was pretty vanilla too. But once again, everytime you guys blitzed, it still didn't get there. Its once again, because the 3 downlinemen are not doing their job occupying blockers.

Bigblue, look, I agree we need more from the DL. A great DL covers up lots of flaws.

I got that but I think that is motherhood and apple pie. Who would not agree?

But your assertion that our ILB are good run stuffers and average in pass coverage is dead wrong.

Our ILB have trouble covering the flats. Our ILB have trouble shooting gaps on plays off tackle with speedier tailbacks. Our ILB have difficulty back pedaling into coverage.

Our ILB are like Roy Williams -- great running north-shouth and hitting people. Dats it.

Honestly, I am not sure what games people are watching but this has been an issue since the switch to the 3-4.

Pittsburgh, plays a 3-4 with lighter ILB that move.... That is what we need in today's NFL with QBs running 4.6, TEs running 4.5, every tailback doing 4.4 and blockers going 300 plus.

BP needs to adjust -- that is my opinion and the proof is in the results. I don't need another 16 games to get it. Last 31 are enuff.

Speed is important and not enough emphasis is given to it on this roster. Look at what is happening to New England -- slowly losing play makers and starting to pay the price.

Again, my opinion and I feel I am right.

By the way, DL played ok. We got nothing from our LB and SS yesterday. Which explains garcia's runs, lj smith having another pro bowl game and westbrook running silly outside the hash marks.

[cowboysforever]

Bigblue, I want to point out something which I feel further strengthen my point on our ILB situation and BP's ideas on LBing.

BP wants big strong ILB which in today NFL run 250-260. Back in BP's glory days they went 240-250. Same speed. He wants them to win 1-1 battles at the point of attack particularly against guards.

So.....

Problem is Guards in todays NFL are running 320 plus (Andrews yesterday) and this is nearly 40 pounds heavier than in BP's glory days when they went 280-290.

This is a difference of 30 pounds of muscle. How can you expect a better outcome under this scheme????

If the answer is more dominant DEs that occupy the OL then what is the point of getting big pluggers at ILB?

What is left for an ILB to plug if the DL does the plugging????

Well, ILBs are left to make plays and you need speed.

So... Whatever.

[Poet3334]

What is the Board's read on Kosier? Got value or another slow, white, BP 'I will make him great' reach?

Everyone thought the Cowboys nuts for this pick-up as well as Henry 2 years back.

Kosier's played okay in my opinion. He has his strengths and weaknesses. He's been good in space, but he's also been mauled at the point of attack. I liked him as a pickup this year.

[jetBLACK08]

I have been reading this FORUM for a long time, and I thought maybe i should join in the action. You guys really offer great depth and insight on the team.

So I was looking around Draft Sites and found an interesting prospect.

Jarvis Moss

Look him up. Hes interesting.

[cowboysforever]

I have been reading this FORUM for a long time, and I thought maybe i should join in the action. You guys really offer great depth and insight on the team.

So I was looking around Draft Sites and found an interesting prospect.

Jarvis Moss

Look him up. Hes interesting.

Well' he is starting for an FL team going to the Fiesta Bowl.

Looks like an ideal 3-4 WOLB at 6'6 - jason taylorish

[bigbluedefense]

Cowboysforever, youre really turning the cowboys team discussion into crap right now. You make some valid points, but then you also say some things that makes me question how much you really know about the game. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.

Big blue, I make my money coming to conclusions quickly and acting on them. If that is awful, I dunno what to say.

But some of your conclusions are off base. The LB core is fine. ILBs aren't supposed to be pass rushers in this scheme, theyre supposed to be run stuffers with decent coverage, and Dallas has that.

The 3 downlinemen are the problem. They got pushed around last night. They provide no push in the pass rush. Ware to a degree is at fault too, his pass rush has been mediocre. Its not about just sacks, Ware isnt even getting hurries right now. Outside of that one good play, he was invisible out there as a pass rusher.

The problems with the defense are simple. The 3 downlinemen, and the pass rush. Thats ultimately it. I think Parcells is running his defense too vanilla as well, but he also always 2 gaps his DE's so the LBs can get a better rush off the edge, something that the LBs are not taking advantage of.

Roy is a liability in coverage, that is well known. But a lack of FS is hurting his play as well. I personally don't like Roy that much, I think he's overrated, but he can still work in this scheme with the addition of a FS, or if Watkins develops.

This game however, was not about Roy. It wasn't about Watkins either. It was about Dallas's defense, and offensive line getting dominated in the trenches. Dallas isn't particularly dominant in the trenches, and Philly is very strong in the trenches. Put the 2 together, and this is what happens.

I was not fond of the playcalling either. But at the same time, the oline provided no holes for the run game, plus Philly was putting up points, so you had to throw more.

Defensive playcalling was pretty vanilla too. But once again, everytime you guys blitzed, it still didn't get there. Its once again, because the 3 downlinemen are not doing their job occupying blockers.

Bigblue, look, I agree we need more from the DL. A great DL covers up lots of flaws.

I got that but I think that is motherhood and apple pie. Who would not agree?

But your assertion that our ILB are good run stuffers and average in pass coverage is dead wrong.

Our ILB have trouble covering the flats. Our ILB have trouble shooting gaps on plays off tackle with speedier tailbacks. Our ILB have difficulty back pedaling into coverage.

Our ILB are like Roy Williams -- great running north-shouth and hitting people. Dats it.

Honestly, I am not sure what games people are watching but this has been an issue since the switch to the 3-4.

Pittsburgh, plays a 3-4 with lighter ILB that move.... That is what we need in today's NFL with QBs running 4.6, TEs running 4.5, every tailback doing 4.4 and blockers going 300 plus.

BP needs to adjust -- that is my opinion and the proof is in the results. I don't need another 16 games to get it. Last 31 are enuff.

Speed is important and not enough emphasis is given to it on this roster. Look at what is happening to New England -- slowly losing play makers and starting to pay the price.

Again, my opinion and I feel I am right.

By the way, DL played ok. We got nothing from our LB and SS yesterday. Which explains garcia's runs, lj smith having another pro bowl game and westbrook running silly outside the hash marks.

Alot of the issues is scheme related too. The ILBs aren't really supposed to be isolated man up with the RBs out of the flat. This is not a Cover 2 defense. Theyre supposed to play a zone in the middle of the field and redirect routes.

The FS or SS is supposed to pick up the flats in many instances. The problem is most likely BP doesn't trust Roy alone at S if he brings the FS up to pick up the RB in the flat. And likewise, the other way with leaving the FS alone back there if he brings Roy up.

That is also most likely why theyre running so much Cover 2. Now the issue with that is Cover 2 is heavily dependent on good Safety play, something the Cowboys are lacking. So its a lose lose situation.

But quite honestly, the ILB flat coverage is somewhat trivial. Yes, its not flawless, but its not the real culprit of the defensive issues. Pressure bursts pipes, and the pass rush is very very average right now. Thats the real issue at hand.

How many times has the opposing offense converted on 3rd down? Too many times. Just like my Giants. And generating pressure is the culprit for both teams.

I think Dallas's lack of play in the trenches against the run was more of a let down then exemplary play of their defense. They have been stoute against the run all year, so I think this was just a letdown game in that regards. But the issue all year has been pass rush, and it continues to plague them on 3rd down.

I also hate the nickel package you guys run. So unimaginative. They either rush 4 or do an all out blitz out of it, its so predictable. They do a great job mixing up their coverages with this defense, but they, BP in particular, needs to do a better job masking his rush packages, and the players need to do a better job creating a rush.

Having that said, all it takes is a couple of hot games in the playoffs and you'll forget everything that just transpired. BP sounded very upset at the energy of the team and I bet that won't happen again.

[cowboysforever]

Bigblue, reasonable post on XOXO improvement requirements.

Funny you point out the blitz because they are horrid at masking it.

When the Cowboys blitz everyone knows where it coming from and tend to spread it out instead of overloading a spot on the line.

Your points are very good. I think mine are too. But yours tend to be XOXO and mine are more about strategy. So some difference lie in there.

[jetBLACK08]

I honestly think Mike Zimmer is the problem, and our play calling. Why do we have a 4-3 defense coach when we are running a 3-4. His blitz packages are redudant and pathetic. About our play calling, We have two amazing wideouts, a athletic TE tandem but we dont use them. Terrell is right now how he needs to involved more. Julius Jones needs to open his eyes and look for more than just 3 yards. Our Oline is weak and soft just like Parcells.

[pocketaces]

o.k. guys i have a question. as far as talent goes how many of our starters would start for the san deigo chargers? they are probably the best team this year so how many of our guys could start for them...our wr's maybe roy. anybody else?

[duckseason]

o.k. guys i have a question. as far as talent goes how many of our starters would start for the san deigo chargers? they are probably the best team this year so how many of our guys could start for them...our wr's maybe roy. anybody else?
Newman would for sure.

[cowboysforever]

Manuwaii from Jacksonville is gone.

[Paul]

Manuwaii from Jacksonville is gone.

Still hoping for Blalock or Manual Rameriez.

[mat33]

Blalock in the 1st and Ramirez in the 3rd would be awesome. add in a raw and talented CB/return specialist, would be ideal. Our interior O-line would be big and powerful, just like in the glory days of the 90's.

[CTCowboysFan]

Well,

Well....Christmas day was as bad as it gets.

I knew it. I knew Jeff Garcia would make a fool out of our defense. How did I know....I don't know, but I knew......I just frickin knew it. I was helpless. All I could do was sit there and watch the Eagles completely dominate the defense, that's all I could do. It was the worst feeling I have had since I can even remember. Worse than the Redskins late comeback last year because this was a slow and methodical death, not a fast stab like the Skins loss was.

I am a freak of a Cowboy fan like many of you. My life revolves around them and yesterday made me consider why I am a Cowboys fan, that's how bad it hurt. A day the Cowboys could have won the division turned into a day of wondering whether or not this team can even beat Detroit.

It's going to be hard for me to bounce back from this and hope for the best in the playoffs, but I will.

This loss brought many questions to my attention.

Should Parcells come back?
Should TO come back?
Can this defense stop anybody?
Can this defense get a pass rush?
Can our defensive or offensive line get a push?
Should Mike Zimmer be fired?

There are more that I do not want to think about right now. I just hope and pray we can come back from this.

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"I'm about as frustrated as I've been in my 17 years as owner." -Jerry Jones on Eagles loss

This team has plenty of holes and question marks heading towards the playoffs and the off-season. Here are my position by position thoughts.

Quarterback-I don't care what anybody says Tony Romo is the right man for the job. Sure he threw 2 picks against the Eagles and he hasn't been as good as he was when he first took over the job but you can see he gives us a chance every game with his natural athletic ability, mobility, and not to mention his great arm along with his leadership. Backup quarterback is another story, Drew Bledsoe obviously won't be back so the Cowboys will need a veteran quarterback to backup Romo and maybe even a late round draft pick to come in as the third quarterback.

Runningback-Julius Jones finally appears to be finding himself again but now Barber appears to be human after the game against the Eagles. Either way I want both of these backs back in Dallas. One of them will come through for sure and could be dominant if they were clicking at the same time. Also I think it's about time the Cowboys come up with some offensive sets that feature both Jones and Barber in the backfield. Tyson Thompson should be back next year as our rightful kick returner and I don't see too much money being spent on somebody to come in and compete for the third spot.

Fullback-Cowboys appear to like what Hoyte can do in terms of blocking although he has had some mental errors he should keep the job especially because the FB has a limited role in the offense. Polite will probably be in and out like he was this year and can provide some consistency catching the ball out of the backfield.

Wide Receiver-I don't see anyway TO wears a star on his helmet again next year. Jerry is disappointed in his production and should be. He has had more key drops than catches and cannot properly run a deep route; he steps out of bounce 90% of the time which makes it illegal to be the first one to touch the ball when coming back into play. Sure he's got toughness for playing with a bad finger but don't expect Bill or Jerry to feel sorry for him. TO will be gone. Terry Glenn has some of the best hands in the league and quite a bit of speed as well. He is aging but hasn't lost a step and is a big part of the offense. The drop he had against Philly this week was uncharacteristic of him which is why as a fan I excuse it. Patrick Crayton will return and possibly push for a starting role considering he has some of the most reliable hands in the league and has developed a relationship with Romo. Miles Austin and Sam Hurd will continue to battle for playing time and are producing very well on special teams. Depending on who the Cowboys decide to bring in one of these guys could push for more playing time as well.

Tight End-Rookie Anthony Fasano seems to be emerging as a receiver for Romo, and Jason Witten is still the same pro bowl tight end we know and love. I hope Bill doesn't pursue another tight end, the position is not needed. The third tight end could be Brett Pierce, Tony Curtis, or Ryan Hannam it doesn't matter too much which.

Left Tackle-The Hotel Flozell Adams has played good and probably could keep the job another year but the Cowboys need some insurance and somebody younger at that. Obviously Romo can avoid sacks better than Bledsoe ever could so some of the pressure is off of the offensive line but the Boys certainly need to make sure Romo's blindside is protected.

Left Guard-I really don't think the Cowboys will find anyone better than Kosier this off-season and while Kosier hasn't been great at least he will have a year under his belt as a Cowboy and eventually I think he will be a good starter. Parcells likes Procter and he has worked hard for his spot on the team and I think he will keep it.

Center-I am one who wanted Gurode gone long before this year. I felt like his high snaps and mental errors were enough for him to lose his job but this year he has proved me wrong, and there still are mistakes from him but I like his size and now that he seems to have developed even further I like him starting. Al Johnson was a force in the run game a few years ago but has lost his job to Gurode but he's a perfect guy to push Gurode to his potential.

Right Guard-This is the position the offensive line needs to upgrade. Rivera is nothing of what he was in Green Bay and his back injury from the result of the tread mill was a sign of bad things to come. maybe Jerry should have kept this guys' signing bonus.....our backup is a no namer as well so I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Justin Blalock if they have the opportunity.

Right Tackle-Probably the strongest offensive lineman on the team Marc Colombo was picked up last season and was a guy Parcells had his eye on for this year. In one of my issues of Dallas Cowboys weekly last year about Marc Colombo Parcells said this guy was a first round pick and I was told by a guy named Al Davis that if somewhere along the lines someone thought a player was good, to give that guy a chance if available. Well Colombo made do of his chance and now has the starting right tackle position all to himself. Haven’t heard much about Fabini and don't know if he'll be back so a backup may be needed.

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Defensive End-The defensive line's inconsistency could be faulted to Marcus Spears or Chris Canty but both guys are inexperienced and have great potential so it's too hard to go out and say well these two positions didn't produce the way we expected to so let's get somebody else. I think overall the Cowboys like their youth and size at defensive end. Especially Jason Hatcher I think he and Canty should split playing time because of how well Hatcher has played. At LDE Marcus Spears will probably keep the starting position but a young draft pick in the mid rounds or a veteran to push Spears would be perfect.

Defensive Tackle-Jason Ferguson is exactly what we want at defensive tackle. He's got the size and he gets the penetration and on top of that he's a Parcells guy, but his one issue is age which is why I feel the Cowboys need to add a youngster with size and also the ability to play nose in the 3-4. Ratliff has played nose a little bit and has played pretty good but I think the Cowboys need a little something else there. Something like a run stopper, Ratliff gives you more of a pass rush at DT than a plug for the run defense.

Weakside Linebacker-DeMarcus Ware is a talent and a pick well spent even if he hasn't measured up to Shawne Merriman he's what we want for this team. I think when it's all said and done Ware will be a better overall player in terms of games played, statistics, and character. Kevin Burnett is a former second round draft choice who is really starting to help out the team. In passing situations he works his way into the lineup and plays well. This position is fine the way it is.

Right Inside Linebacker-Akin Ayodele was one of the Cowboys bigger free agent acquisitions and he has played very good I think. 77 total tackles, two interceptions, and a sack are good enough for him to keep his job. Bobby Carpenter has played a few snaps inside but I think the Cowboys will need to add some depth behind Ayodele because Carp is starting to come around at strongside linebacker.

Left Inside Linebacker-It felt like Bradie James was emerging as a leader on this defense and maybe he still is...but Bradie has been a liability in coverage and still needs a lot of improvement but on the other side of the spectrum he has a team leading 91 tackles. Ryan Fowler works in as the backup but could be replaced.

Strongside Linebacker-After Greg Ellis went down it seemed this defense fell apart. Bobby Carpenter has been a disappointment so far in his career but it is early and now that he has worked himself into the lineup it seems like he is around a lot of plays and is quickly improving. I think considering Carp is a first round pick he will get two more years to prove his worth to the team. Al Singleton is a seasoned veteran but really nothing special so it all depends if Ellis comes back. The Cowboys could possibly add a pass rush specialist.

Strong Safety-Roy Williams will make his plays and always has that intimidation factor for opposing teams but he has got to be one of the worst starting safeties in coverage. The Cowboys could bring in somebody who specializes in coverage to come in on obvious passing situations for Roy.

Cornerback-Terence Newman is a good player but probably isn't as good as us fans say he is. He doesn't get tested a whole lot but when he does he will give up big plays although not many are for touchdowns. Anthony Henry gives the Cowboys size and athleticism and even though he was beaten badly quite a bit this season I think he is a good player. Aaron Glenn is a gold mine at the third corner position and if he can play five more years great. Maybe the Cowboys should still add a young corner through the draft.

Kicker-This is going to sound like a homer but I like Martin Gramatica if he can do it again next season. Jerry won't draft a kicker so unless there is something better on the free agent market I don't see a major problem with good ol' Gramatica.

Punter-Mat MacBriar=pro bowler

I guess one conclusion I could make from my analysis is that this team has talent at the majority of the positions they are just not producing and that goes to the coaching staff.

ZIMMER=FIRED. Parcells is good and I want him back but these defensive assistants have got to go.

Any thoughts on this rant would be appreciated. Like I said let's just hope for the best as we go forward. Maybe this team can find a way to turn it around before the playoffs start.

[thule]

Manuwaii from Jacksonville is gone.

Still hoping for Blalock or Manual Rameriez.

Who becomes the leader of our ol...Gurode?Koiser?Columbo...none of those guys really seem to me like the leader we need. We need to land someone in FA pre 30s with good experience. If we go young...we'll have to deal with breakdowns again..I don't want that.

[chrlopez1]

What a wasted opportunity, but we just have to keep going. If we win a Phili wiins...than we probably face Seattle and tht is not so bad......If we win the wild Card we will go through New Orleans...so it really didn't make a difference only that we didn't win the EAST yet....maybe we do maybe we don't..... I still think we can win the first playoff game and try again in NO.

Ol or DL in round 1?

I think a hard nose LB would be great..I know not again....or a DL with a mean streak...we need a toop notch rusing LB....Ellis really is missed....

[Paul]

Manuwaii from Jacksonville is gone.

Still hoping for Blalock or Manual Rameriez.

Who becomes the leader of our ol...Gurode?Koiser?Columbo...none of those guys really seem to me like the leader we need. We need to land someone in FA pre 30s with good experience. If we go young...we'll have to deal with breakdowns again..I don't want that.

Larry has been the leader for years and losing him was big. Flozell seems to be to mild mannered to be the head, but he has the experience. But honestly I like Rameriez, word says he is the leader in the texas tech locker room and one of the raf-rah guys, which is something I think we need on offense. I know he's young, but theres isn't anybody who in the upcoming FA class I'm really excited about. Who do you like?

[Paul]

Well,

Well....Christmas day was as bad as it gets.

I knew it. I knew Jeff Garcia would make a fool out of our defense. How did I know....I don't know, but I knew......I just frickin knew it. I was helpless. All I could do was sit there and watch the Eagles completely dominate the defense, that's all I could do. It was the worst feeling I have had since I can even remember. Worse than the Redskins late comeback last year because this was a slow and methodical death, not a fast stab like the Skins loss was.

I am a freak of a Cowboy fan like many of you. My life revolves around them and yesterday made me consider why I am a Cowboys fan, that's how bad it hurt. A day the Cowboys could have won the division turned into a day of wondering whether or not this team can even beat Detroit.

It's going to be hard for me to bounce back from this and hope for the best in the playoffs, but I will.

This loss brought many questions to my attention.

Should Parcells come back?
Should TO come back?
Can this defense stop anybody?
Can this defense get a pass rush?
Can our defensive or offensive line get a push?
Should Mike Zimmer be fired?

There are more that I do not want to think about right now. I just hope and pray we can come back from this.

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"I'm about as frustrated as I've been in my 17 years as owner." -Jerry Jones on Eagles loss

This team has plenty of holes and question marks heading towards the playoffs and the off-season. Here are my position by position thoughts.

Quarterback-I don't care what anybody says Tony Romo is the right man for the job. Sure he threw 2 picks against the Eagles and he hasn't been as good as he was when he first took over the job but you can see he gives us a chance every game with his natural athletic ability, mobility, and not to mention his great arm along with his leadership. Backup quarterback is another story, Drew Bledsoe obviously won't be back so the Cowboys will need a veteran quarterback to backup Romo and maybe even a late round draft pick to come in as the third quarterback.

Runningback-Julius Jones finally appears to be finding himself again but now Barber appears to be human after the game against the Eagles. Either way I want both of these backs back in Dallas. One of them will come through for sure and could be dominant if they were clicking at the same time. Also I think it's about time the Cowboys come up with some offensive sets that feature both Jones and Barber in the backfield. Tyson Thompson should be back next year as our rightful kick returner and I don't see too much money being spent on somebody to come in and compete for the third spot.

Fullback-Cowboys appear to like what Hoyte can do in terms of blocking although he has had some mental errors he should keep the job especially because the FB has a limited role in the offense. Polite will probably be in and out like he was this year and can provide some consistency catching the ball out of the backfield.

Wide Receiver-I don't see anyway TO wears a star on his helmet again next year. Jerry is disappointed in his production and should be. He has had more key drops than catches and cannot properly run a deep route; he steps out of bounce 90% of the time which makes it illegal to be the first one to touch the ball when coming back into play. Sure he's got toughness for playing with a bad finger but don't expect Bill or Jerry to feel sorry for him. TO will be gone. Terry Glenn has some of the best hands in the league and quite a bit of speed as well. He is aging but hasn't lost a step and is a big part of the offense. The drop he had against Philly this week was uncharacteristic of him which is why as a fan I excuse it. Patrick Crayton will return and possibly push for a starting role considering he has some of the most reliable hands in the league and has developed a relationship with Romo. Miles Austin and Sam Hurd will continue to battle for playing time and are producing very well on special teams. Depending on who the Cowboys decide to bring in one of these guys could push for more playing time as well.

Tight End-Rookie Anthony Fasano seems to be emerging as a receiver for Romo, and Jason Witten is still the same pro bowl tight end we know and love. I hope Bill doesn't pursue another tight end, the position is not needed. The third tight end could be Brett Pierce, Tony Curtis, or Ryan Hannam it doesn't matter too much which.

Left Tackle-The Hotel Flozell Adams has played good and probably could keep the job another year but the Cowboys need some insurance and somebody younger at that. Obviously Romo can avoid sacks better than Bledsoe ever could so some of the pressure is off of the offensive line but the Boys certainly need to make sure Romo's blindside is protected.

Left Guard-I really don't think the Cowboys will find anyone better than Kosier this off-season and while Kosier hasn't been great at least he will have a year under his belt as a Cowboy and eventually I think he will be a good starter. Parcells likes Procter and he has worked hard for his spot on the team and I think he will keep it.

Center-I am one who wanted Gurode gone long before this year. I felt like his high snaps and mental errors were enough for him to lose his job but this year he has proved me wrong, and there still are mistakes from him but I like his size and now that he seems to have developed even further I like him starting. Al Johnson was a force in the run game a few years ago but has lost his job to Gurode but he's a perfect guy to push Gurode to his potential.

Right Guard-This is the position the offensive line needs to upgrade. Rivera is nothing of what he was in Green Bay and his back injury from the result of the tread mill was a sign of bad things to come. maybe Jerry should have kept this guys' signing bonus.....our backup is a no namer as well so I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Justin Blalock if they have the opportunity.

Right Tackle-Probably the strongest offensive lineman on the team Marc Colombo was picked up last season and was a guy Parcells had his eye on for this year. In one of my issues of Dallas Cowboys weekly last year about Marc Colombo Parcells said this guy was a first round pick and I was told by a guy named Al Davis that if somewhere along the lines someone thought a player was good, to give that guy a chance if available. Well Colombo made do of his chance and now has the starting right tackle position all to himself. Haven’t heard much about Fabini and don't know if he'll be back so a backup may be needed.

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Defensive End-The defensive line's inconsistency could be faulted to Marcus Spears or Chris Canty but both guys are inexperienced and have great potential so it's too hard to go out and say well these two positions didn't produce the way we expected to so let's get somebody else. I think overall the Cowboys like their youth and size at defensive end. Especially Jason Hatcher I think he and Canty should split playing time because of how well Hatcher has played. At LDE Marcus Spears will probably keep the starting position but a young draft pick in the mid rounds or a veteran to push Spears would be perfect.

Defensive Tackle-Jason Ferguson is exactly what we want at defensive tackle. He's got the size and he gets the penetration and on top of that he's a Parcells guy, but his one issue is age which is why I feel the Cowboys need to add a youngster with size and also the ability to play nose in the 3-4. Ratliff has played nose a little bit and has played pretty good but I think the Cowboys need a little something else there. Something like a run stopper, Ratliff gives you more of a pass rush at DT than a plug for the run defense.

Weakside Linebacker-DeMarcus Ware is a talent and a pick well spent even if he hasn't measured up to Shawne Merriman he's what we want for this team. I think when it's all said and done Ware will be a better overall player in terms of games played, statistics, and character. Kevin Burnett is a former second round draft choice who is really starting to help out the team. In passing situations he works his way into the lineup and plays well. This position is fine the way it is.

Right Inside Linebacker-Akin Ayodele was one of the Cowboys bigger free agent acquisitions and he has played very good I think. 77 total tackles, two interceptions, and a sack are good enough for him to keep his job. Bobby Carpenter has played a few snaps inside but I think the Cowboys will need to add some depth behind Ayodele because Carp is starting to come around at strongside linebacker.

Left Inside Linebacker-It felt like Bradie James was emerging as a leader on this defense and maybe he still is...but Bradie has been a liability in coverage and still needs a lot of improvement but on the other side of the spectrum he has a team leading 91 tackles. Ryan Fowler works in as the backup but could be replaced.

Strongside Linebacker-After Greg Ellis went down it seemed this defense fell apart. Bobby Carpenter has been a disappointment so far in his career but it is early and now that he has worked himself into the lineup it seems like he is around a lot of plays and is quickly improving. I think considering Carp is a first round pick he will get two more years to prove his worth to the team. Al Singleton is a seasoned veteran but really nothing special so it all depends if Ellis comes back. The Cowboys could possibly add a pass rush specialist.

Strong Safety-Roy Williams will make his plays and always has that intimidation factor for opposing teams but he has got to be one of the worst starting safeties in coverage. The Cowboys could bring in somebody who specializes in coverage to come in on obvious passing situations for Roy.

Cornerback-Terence Newman is a good player but probably isn't as good as us fans say he is. He doesn't get tested a whole lot but when he does he will give up big plays although not many are for touchdowns. Anthony Henry gives the Cowboys size and athleticism and even though he was beaten badly quite a bit this season I think he is a good player. Aaron Glenn is a gold mine at the third corner position and if he can play five more years great. Maybe the Cowboys should still add a young corner through the draft.

Kicker-This is going to sound like a homer but I like Martin Gramatica if he can do it again next season. Jerry won't draft a kicker so unless there is something better on the free agent market I don't see a major problem with good ol' Gramatica.

Punter-Mat MacBriar=pro bowler

I guess one conclusion I could make from my analysis is that this team has talent at the majority of the positions they are just not producing and that goes to the coaching staff.

ZIMMER=FIRED. Parcells is good and I want him back but these defensive assistants have got to go.

Any thoughts on this rant would be appreciated. Like I said let's just hope for the best as we go forward. Maybe this team can find a way to turn it around before the playoffs start.

It's pretty bad when one your top 5 players is the punter.

[thule]

Manuwaii from Jacksonville is gone.

Still hoping for Blalock or Manual Rameriez.

Who becomes the leader of our ol...Gurode?Koiser?Columbo...none of those guys really seem to me like the leader we need. We need to land someone in FA pre 30s with good experience. If we go young...we'll have to deal with breakdowns again..I don't want that.

Larry has been the leader for years and losing him was big. Flozell seems to be to mild mannered to be the head, but he has the experience. But honestly I like Rameriez, word says he is the leader in the texas tech locker room and one of the raf-rah guys, which is something I think we need on offense. I know he's young, but theres isn't anybody who in the upcoming FA class I'm really excited about. Who do you like?

I like Steinbbach from Cinny...he has experience at LT/LG/C and he has been a stud as far as I'm concern.

Lets not forget that Koiser can play all 5 positions on the OL...so I think Steinbach would actually stay on the left side if he was brought in.

I also like Jordan Black of the chiefs...he has primarily been a tackle but he has also played inside. He is a smart gritty parcells type player with alot of experience who come in and direct our ol. He also plays good on special teams which can't be overlooked here.

Derrick Dockery from the skins would be a lovely add...huge massive G...but IDK if they'll let him get away. If they splash big on guys like Clements...maybe he slips...he is probabally my number 1 target at this time.

[chrlopez1]

Anybody know our player salaries for next year?

[jetBLACK08]

Well,

Well....Christmas day was as bad as it gets.

I knew it. I knew Jeff Garcia would make a fool out of our defense. How did I know....I don't know, but I knew......I just frickin knew it. I was helpless. All I could do was sit there and watch the Eagles completely dominate the defense, that's all I could do. It was the worst feeling I have had since I can even remember. Worse than the Redskins late comeback last year because this was a slow and methodical death, not a fast stab like the Skins loss was.

I am a freak of a Cowboy fan like many of you. My life revolves around them and yesterday made me consider why I am a Cowboys fan, that's how bad it hurt. A day the Cowboys could have won the division turned into a day of wondering whether or not this team can even beat Detroit.

It's going to be hard for me to bounce back from this and hope for the best in the playoffs, but I will.

This loss brought many questions to my attention.

Should Parcells come back?
Should TO come back?
Can this defense stop anybody?
Can this defense get a pass rush?
Can our defensive or offensive line get a push?
Should Mike Zimmer be fired?

There are more that I do not want to think about right now. I just hope and pray we can come back from this.

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"I'm about as frustrated as I've been in my 17 years as owner." -Jerry Jones on Eagles loss

This team has plenty of holes and question marks heading towards the playoffs and the off-season. Here are my position by position thoughts.

Quarterback-I don't care what anybody says Tony Romo is the right man for the job. Sure he threw 2 picks against the Eagles and he hasn't been as good as he was when he first took over the job but you can see he gives us a chance every game with his natural athletic ability, mobility, and not to mention his great arm along with his leadership. Backup quarterback is another story, Drew Bledsoe obviously won't be back so the Cowboys will need a veteran quarterback to backup Romo and maybe even a late round draft pick to come in as the third quarterback.

Runningback-Julius Jones finally appears to be finding himself again but now Barber appears to be human after the game against the Eagles. Either way I want both of these backs back in Dallas. One of them will come through for sure and could be dominant if they were clicking at the same time. Also I think it's about time the Cowboys come up with some offensive sets that feature both Jones and Barber in the backfield. Tyson Thompson should be back next year as our rightful kick returner and I don't see too much money being spent on somebody to come in and compete for the third spot.

Fullback-Cowboys appear to like what Hoyte can do in terms of blocking although he has had some mental errors he should keep the job especially because the FB has a limited role in the offense. Polite will probably be in and out like he was this year and can provide some consistency catching the ball out of the backfield.

Wide Receiver-I don't see anyway TO wears a star on his helmet again next year. Jerry is disappointed in his production and should be. He has had more key drops than catches and cannot properly run a deep route; he steps out of bounce 90% of the time which makes it illegal to be the first one to touch the ball when coming back into play. Sure he's got toughness for playing with a bad finger but don't expect Bill or Jerry to feel sorry for him. TO will be gone. Terry Glenn has some of the best hands in the league and quite a bit of speed as well. He is aging but hasn't lost a step and is a big part of the offense. The drop he had against Philly this week was uncharacteristic of him which is why as a fan I excuse it. Patrick Crayton will return and possibly push for a starting role considering he has some of the most reliable hands in the league and has developed a relationship with Romo. Miles Austin and Sam Hurd will continue to battle for playing time and are producing very well on special teams. Depending on who the Cowboys decide to bring in one of these guys could push for more playing time as well.

Tight End-Rookie Anthony Fasano seems to be emerging as a receiver for Romo, and Jason Witten is still the same pro bowl tight end we know and love. I hope Bill doesn't pursue another tight end, the position is not needed. The third tight end could be Brett Pierce, Tony Curtis, or Ryan Hannam it doesn't matter too much which.

Left Tackle-The Hotel Flozell Adams has played good and probably could keep the job another year but the Cowboys need some insurance and somebody younger at that. Obviously Romo can avoid sacks better than Bledsoe ever could so some of the pressure is off of the offensive line but the Boys certainly need to make sure Romo's blindside is protected.

Left Guard-I really don't think the Cowboys will find anyone better than Kosier this off-season and while Kosier hasn't been great at least he will have a year under his belt as a Cowboy and eventually I think he will be a good starter. Parcells likes Procter and he has worked hard for his spot on the team and I think he will keep it.

Center-I am one who wanted Gurode gone long before this year. I felt like his high snaps and mental errors were enough for him to lose his job but this year he has proved me wrong, and there still are mistakes from him but I like his size and now that he seems to have developed even further I like him starting. Al Johnson was a force in the run game a few years ago but has lost his job to Gurode but he's a perfect guy to push Gurode to his potential.

Right Guard-This is the position the offensive line needs to upgrade. Rivera is nothing of what he was in Green Bay and his back injury from the result of the tread mill was a sign of bad things to come. maybe Jerry should have kept this guys' signing bonus.....our backup is a no namer as well so I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Justin Blalock if they have the opportunity.

Right Tackle-Probably the strongest offensive lineman on the team Marc Colombo was picked up last season and was a guy Parcells had his eye on for this year. In one of my issues of Dallas Cowboys weekly last year about Marc Colombo Parcells said this guy was a first round pick and I was told by a guy named Al Davis that if somewhere along the lines someone thought a player was good, to give that guy a chance if available. Well Colombo made do of his chance and now has the starting right tackle position all to himself. Haven’t heard much about Fabini and don't know if he'll be back so a backup may be needed.

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Defensive End-The defensive line's inconsistency could be faulted to Marcus Spears or Chris Canty but both guys are inexperienced and have great potential so it's too hard to go out and say well these two positions didn't produce the way we expected to so let's get somebody else. I think overall the Cowboys like their youth and size at defensive end. Especially Jason Hatcher I think he and Canty should split playing time because of how well Hatcher has played. At LDE Marcus Spears will probably keep the starting position but a young draft pick in the mid rounds or a veteran to push Spears would be perfect.

Defensive Tackle-Jason Ferguson is exactly what we want at defensive tackle. He's got the size and he gets the penetration and on top of that he's a Parcells guy, but his one issue is age which is why I feel the Cowboys need to add a youngster with size and also the ability to play nose in the 3-4. Ratliff has played nose a little bit and has played pretty good but I think the Cowboys need a little something else there. Something like a run stopper, Ratliff gives you more of a pass rush at DT than a plug for the run defense.

Weakside Linebacker-DeMarcus Ware is a talent and a pick well spent even if he hasn't measured up to Shawne Merriman he's what we want for this team. I think when it's all said and done Ware will be a better overall player in terms of games played, statistics, and character. Kevin Burnett is a former second round draft choice who is really starting to help out the team. In passing situations he works his way into the lineup and plays well. This position is fine the way it is.

Right Inside Linebacker-Akin Ayodele was one of the Cowboys bigger free agent acquisitions and he has played very good I think. 77 total tackles, two interceptions, and a sack are good enough for him to keep his job. Bobby Carpenter has played a few snaps inside but I think the Cowboys will need to add some depth behind Ayodele because Carp is starting to come around at strongside linebacker.

Left Inside Linebacker-It felt like Bradie James was emerging as a leader on this defense and maybe he still is...but Bradie has been a liability in coverage and still needs a lot of improvement but on the other side of the spectrum he has a team leading 91 tackles. Ryan Fowler works in as the backup but could be replaced.

Strongside Linebacker-After Greg Ellis went down it seemed this defense fell apart. Bobby Carpenter has been a disappointment so far in his career but it is early and now that he has worked himself into the lineup it seems like he is around a lot of plays and is quickly improving. I think considering Carp is a first round pick he will get two more years to prove his worth to the team. Al Singleton is a seasoned veteran but really nothing special so it all depends if Ellis comes back. The Cowboys could possibly add a pass rush specialist.

Strong Safety-Roy Williams will make his plays and always has that intimidation factor for opposing teams but he has got to be one of the worst starting safeties in coverage. The Cowboys could bring in somebody who specializes in coverage to come in on obvious passing situations for Roy.

Cornerback-Terence Newman is a good player but probably isn't as good as us fans say he is. He doesn't get tested a whole lot but when he does he will give up big plays although not many are for touchdowns. Anthony Henry gives the Cowboys size and athleticism and even though he was beaten badly quite a bit this season I think he is a good player. Aaron Glenn is a gold mine at the third corner position and if he can play five more years great. Maybe the Cowboys should still add a young corner through the draft.

Kicker-This is going to sound like a homer but I like Martin Gramatica if he can do it again next season. Jerry won't draft a kicker so unless there is something better on the free agent market I don't see a major problem with good ol' Gramatica.

Punter-Mat MacBriar=pro bowler

I guess one conclusion I could make from my analysis is that this team has talent at the majority of the positions they are just not producing and that goes to the coaching staff.

ZIMMER=FIRED. Parcells is good and I want him back but these defensive assistants have got to go.

Any thoughts on this rant would be appreciated. Like I said let's just hope for the best as we go forward. Maybe this team can find a way to turn it around before the playoffs start.

I agree somewhat with your lengthy rant :p
First of all, Garcia excels in West Coast Offense, and our pathetic pass rush helped him instead of rushing him.


-Should Parcells come back?
---Yes. He will be back.
Should TO come back?
---Yes. He too will be back and he should be back. He is an unbelievable threat, but our stupid coordinators fail to involve him and use him properly.
Can this defense stop anybody?
---Yes. Our defense can stop people. Its just that Philly was playing with a goal and the Cowboys were playing with 3 days off.
Can this defense get a pass rush?
---NO NO NO NO WE CANNOT RUSH TO SAVE OUR LIVES
Can our defensive or offensive line get a push?
---Yes, WE can. We can be physical and we have been physical before.
Should Mike Zimmer be fired?
---YESS MIKE ZIMMER NEEDSS TO PACK UP AND LEAVE. This guy doesnt know how to ******** blitz. He cant make any effective Blitz Packages. All of his blitz are repetive and easy to block. He doesnt know how to move WAre and use him effective like how SD uses Merriman. Mike Zimmer's defense right now is ranked 20th in the NFL. He needs to okay. He is hurting us. Why do we have a 4-3 defensive coordinator operating a 3-4 its INSANE!!

Jerry Jones is more about money than results. He got rid of Allen because of contract issues rather than his ailing ability.

QB: Romo is now and the future. Bledsoe will probably retire or go for a starting job, but who knows he might stick around.

RB: Julius Jones needs to ******* open his eyes. He is so one dimensional. Man. This guy really frustrates. MB111 has great vision and should be the one starting.

FB: Isnt a problem

Wide Receiver: WE have age and youth. I want to keep Hurd and Austin. I want TO and Glenn to be back with Crayton. And, I want a gameBREAKER like Ted Ginn Jr. Other than that, We are set.

TE: I agree. We are fine.

OLINE: Flozell is doing fine. Kosier cant get a push. Gurode is fine. Rivera isnt performing to his contracts expectations. Columbo is more than fine.
Our problem is GUARDS not Tackles.
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DLINE: We have size. I like that. We have potential. I like that, but We are NOT performing. Our guys are weak. Our front 3 cannot get a solid push.

LBS: WOW. WE have so much talent right here. Ware is coming along fine. James will only get better. Ayodele is fine. Ellis's loss is showing especially on pass rush. Burnett is a VERY SOLID BAckup. I want to see more of him. Carpenter is coming along fine. Hes not a bust.

CBs: Newman is great. Henry is slow. Glenn is starting material. We need a young gun here with blazing speed.

S: Williams needs to play closer to the line instead of worrying about long plays. Watkins has talent, I want to see him developed.

K: lol We need one

P: We are good.

Special Teams: Austin and Tyson are decent.

FINAL THOUGHTS.
ZIMMER NEEDS TO GO. JJ NEEDS TO BE BENCHED. T.O NEEDS TO STAY. WE NEED A GAMEBREAKER.

[CTCowboysFan]

Oh I would absolutely love Ted Ginn, he is my number one choice but we won't get him.

I agree Bill is back.

I think TO goes. Honestly there is no way he is back. I had this discussion before, the team would be better off without him.

It's tough because we have so much talent. Really, Rick Gosselin says there are 7 positions you have to have in order to be a top team in this order

1. Quarterback
2. Runningback
3. Left Tackle
4. Pass Rushing Defensive End
5. Cover Cornerback
6. Wide Receiver

Okay let's review

Quarterback-Tony Romo
Runningback-Julius Jones...really Barber should start but anyways
Left Tackle-Flozell Adams
Pass Rushing Defensive End or in our case OLB-DeMarcus Ware
Cover Cornerback-Terence Newman
Wide Receiver-Terrell Owens

To me we have these cornerstone positions. Why we can't succeed is beyond me.

[bearsfan_51]

The interesting thing that nobody has yet to mention, which is fine by me I'm not a big fan of the TO media circus anyway, is that there's a possibility that TO will simply retire if he's cut by the Cowboys.

Seriously, if you can't be a prima-dona in Dallas and get away with it, where can you? He's been more or less burned in effigy in 3 NFL cities (likely soon to be 4). Unless the Raiders want him, or the Vikings completely sell their souls (again), who the hell is going to give him any amount of money?

[jetBLACK08]

Oh I would absolutely love Ted Ginn, he is my number one choice but we won't get him.

I agree Bill is back.

I think TO goes. Honestly there is no way he is back. I had this discussion before, the team would be better off without him.

It's tough because we have so much talent. Really, Rick Gosselin says there are 7 positions you have to have in order to be a top team in this order

1. Quarterback
2. Runningback
3. Left Tackle
4. Pass Rushing Defensive End
5. Cover Cornerback
6. Wide Receiver

Okay let's review

Quarterback-Tony Romo
Runningback-Julius Jones...really Barber should start but anyways
Left Tackle-Flozell Adams
Pass Rushing Defensive End or in our case OLB-DeMarcus Ware
Cover Cornerback-Terence Newman
Wide Receiver-Terrell Owens

To me we have these cornerstone positions. Why we can't succeed is beyond me.

We just do not have the discipline and the urgency to play every game with the same passion. Our team is so dangerous on both sides of the ball when we really execute.

[Paul]

Oh I would absolutely love Ted Ginn, he is my number one choice but we won't get him.

I agree Bill is back.

I think TO goes. Honestly there is no way he is back. I had this discussion before, the team would be better off without him.

It's tough because we have so much talent. Really, Rick Gosselin says there are 7 positions you have to have in order to be a top team in this order

1A. Heart
1B. Quarterback
2. Runningback
3. Left Tackle
4. Pass Rushing Defensive End
5. Cover Cornerback
6. Wide Receiver

Okay let's review

Quarterback-Tony Romo
Runningback-Julius Jones...really Barber should start but anyways
Left Tackle-Flozell Adams
Pass Rushing Defensive End or in our case OLB-DeMarcus Ware
Cover Cornerback-Terence Newman
Wide Receiver-Terrell Owens

To me we have these cornerstone positions. Why we can't succeed is beyond me.

I know it's not a position but you get the point.

After the giants and colts game I thought we were on fire and we had that swaggar. I just believe alot of the players let the recent success go to there heads. They were satisfied.

[cowboysforever]

Been reading the posts and here are my reads as well as if draft of FA is better.

Side note: Nate Clements is wanted in every city I have been to so forget him. All the football junkies are gonna be clamoring anyway....

RB -- not a priority but if a stud falls into our lap take him round 1. Otherwise ignore this spot. Seriously consider Thompson for starter -- he has the talent and now has 2 years. Seriously consider trading Julius for 3/4/5 pick. 2008 will be loaded with RB talent. Sophs are amazing so address then.

QB -- not a priority but if a developmental guy is around 3rd go for it. Carson Palmer's brother comes to mind. No 6'1 character guys please. 6'4 plus with laser rocket arms.

WR -- Ignore. Cut TO. Use money for something else or FA. Play the young ones.

OT -- this is my 2nd round pick. Maybe a Staley or Brown guy with athletic ability to groom to replace Flo in 08.

OG -- Blalock in the 1st is ideal but not likely. No real other guard stands out. So, I think this a major FA need. Taking another development guy 4-7 is not ideal. You desperately need to replace Rivera now.

C -- Sign Gurode. Trade Johnson if possible. Use Kosier as back up. Maybe even moving Gurode back to RG and using Johnson again at Center if you wish to not spend FA money.

Kicker -- use a 4 to 7 pick for a quality kicker.

Punter -- ignore

NT -- Get Shaun Rogers. If that does not work, use FA. Draft is unlikely to bring anyone better than Montavius or any of those other practice squad guys.

DE -- Ignore. Pray they improve dramatically.

ILB -- Move Carpenter inside. Sit Bradie.

OLB -- Woodley, Moses, Hawaii OLB would be nice for WOLB in round 1. A real pass rusher please. Move DWare to SOLB. If not, get Adalius Thomas. Trade Burnett before we lose him for nothing -- talented kid who is a starter in a 4-3.

CB -- Use 4 - 7 for depth.

SS -- Well, trade Roy. We have adequate SS backups. They are a dime a dozen in todays NFl if all they do is run support.

FS -- Pray Watkins develops or slide Henry to FS. This is where if you address LB in FA then you invest round 1 here instead. Landry or Nelson or Griffin will be here.

Replace Zimmer. Choose a coordinator for O.

[CTCowboysFan]

The interesting thing that nobody has yet to mention, which is fine by me I'm not a big fan of the TO media circus anyway, is that there's a possibility that TO will simply retire if he's cut by the Cowboys.

Seriously, if you can't be a prima-dona in Dallas and get away with it, where can you? He's been more or less burned in effigy in 3 NFL cities (likely soon to be 4). Unless the Raiders want him, or the Vikings completely sell their souls (again), who the hell is going to give him any amount of money?

I hope TO does retire. I don't like him, I just put up with him because I am a Cowboys fan.

[CTCowboysFan]

Replace Zimmer. Choose a coordinator for O.

Tony Sporano has done fine as our offensive coordinator. Unless Mike Martz wants to come here then I'd just assume we keep Sporano. Zimmer though I want to take his knees out with a baseball bat. If he can't get it done with the personel we have then forget him.

[taylor03]

Well,

Well....Christmas day was as bad as it gets.

I knew it. I knew Jeff Garcia would make a fool out of our defense. How did I know....I don't know, but I knew......I just frickin knew it. I was helpless. All I could do was sit there and watch the Eagles completely dominate the defense, that's all I could do. It was the worst feeling I have had since I can even remember. Worse than the Redskins late comeback last year because this was a slow and methodical death, not a fast stab like the Skins loss was.

I am a freak of a Cowboy fan like many of you. My life revolves around them and yesterday made me consider why I am a Cowboys fan, that's how bad it hurt. A day the Cowboys could have won the division turned into a day of wondering whether or not this team can even beat Detroit.

It's going to be hard for me to bounce back from this and hope for the best in the playoffs, but I will.

This loss brought many questions to my attention.

Should Parcells come back?
Should TO come back?
Can this defense stop anybody?
Can this defense get a pass rush?
Can our defensive or offensive line get a push?
Should Mike Zimmer be fired?

There are more that I do not want to think about right now. I just hope and pray we can come back from this.

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"I'm about as frustrated as I've been in my 17 years as owner." -Jerry Jones on Eagles loss

This team has plenty of holes and question marks heading towards the playoffs and the off-season. Here are my position by position thoughts.

Quarterback-I don't care what anybody says Tony Romo is the right man for the job. Sure he threw 2 picks against the Eagles and he hasn't been as good as he was when he first took over the job but you can see he gives us a chance every game with his natural athletic ability, mobility, and not to mention his great arm along with his leadership. Backup quarterback is another story, Drew Bledsoe obviously won't be back so the Cowboys will need a veteran quarterback to backup Romo and maybe even a late round draft pick to come in as the third quarterback.

Runningback-Julius Jones finally appears to be finding himself again but now Barber appears to be human after the game against the Eagles. Either way I want both of these backs back in Dallas. One of them will come through for sure and could be dominant if they were clicking at the same time. Also I think it's about time the Cowboys come up with some offensive sets that feature both Jones and Barber in the backfield. Tyson Thompson should be back next year as our rightful kick returner and I don't see too much money being spent on somebody to come in and compete for the third spot.

Fullback-Cowboys appear to like what Hoyte can do in terms of blocking although he has had some mental errors he should keep the job especially because the FB has a limited role in the offense. Polite will probably be in and out like he was this year and can provide some consistency catching the ball out of the backfield.

Wide Receiver-I don't see anyway TO wears a star on his helmet again next year. Jerry is disappointed in his production and should be. He has had more key drops than catches and cannot properly run a deep route; he steps out of bounce 90% of the time which makes it illegal to be the first one to touch the ball when coming back into play. Sure he's got toughness for playing with a bad finger but don't expect Bill or Jerry to feel sorry for him. TO will be gone. Terry Glenn has some of the best hands in the league and quite a bit of speed as well. He is aging but hasn't lost a step and is a big part of the offense. The drop he had against Philly this week was uncharacteristic of him which is why as a fan I excuse it. Patrick Crayton will return and possibly push for a starting role considering he has some of the most reliable hands in the league and has developed a relationship with Romo. Miles Austin and Sam Hurd will continue to battle for playing time and are producing very well on special teams. Depending on who the Cowboys decide to bring in one of these guys could push for more playing time as well.

Tight End-Rookie Anthony Fasano seems to be emerging as a receiver for Romo, and Jason Witten is still the same pro bowl tight end we know and love. I hope Bill doesn't pursue another tight end, the position is not needed. The third tight end could be Brett Pierce, Tony Curtis, or Ryan Hannam it doesn't matter too much which.

Left Tackle-The Hotel Flozell Adams has played good and probably could keep the job another year but the Cowboys need some insurance and somebody younger at that. Obviously Romo can avoid sacks better than Bledsoe ever could so some of the pressure is off of the offensive line but the Boys certainly need to make sure Romo's blindside is protected.

Left Guard-I really don't think the Cowboys will find anyone better than Kosier this off-season and while Kosier hasn't been great at least he will have a year under his belt as a Cowboy and eventually I think he will be a good starter. Parcells likes Procter and he has worked hard for his spot on the team and I think he will keep it.

Center-I am one who wanted Gurode gone long before this year. I felt like his high snaps and mental errors were enough for him to lose his job but this year he has proved me wrong, and there still are mistakes from him but I like his size and now that he seems to have developed even further I like him starting. Al Johnson was a force in the run game a few years ago but has lost his job to Gurode but he's a perfect guy to push Gurode to his potential.

Right Guard-This is the position the offensive line needs to upgrade. Rivera is nothing of what he was in Green Bay and his back injury from the result of the tread mill was a sign of bad things to come. maybe Jerry should have kept this guys' signing bonus.....our backup is a no namer as well so I fully expect the Cowboys to draft Justin Blalock if they have the opportunity.

Right Tackle-Probably the strongest offensive lineman on the team Marc Colombo was picked up last season and was a guy Parcells had his eye on for this year. In one of my issues of Dallas Cowboys weekly last year about Marc Colombo Parcells said this guy was a first round pick and I was told by a guy named Al Davis that if somewhere along the lines someone thought a player was good, to give that guy a chance if available. Well Colombo made do of his chance and now has the starting right tackle position all to himself. Haven’t heard much about Fabini and don't know if he'll be back so a backup may be needed.

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Defensive End-The defensive line's inconsistency could be faulted to Marcus Spears or Chris Canty but both guys are inexperienced and have great potential so it's too hard to go out and say well these two positions didn't produce the way we expected to so let's get somebody else. I think overall the Cowboys like their youth and size at defensive end. Especially Jason Hatcher I think he and Canty should split playing time because of how well Hatcher has played. At LDE Marcus Spears will probably keep the starting position but a young draft pick in the mid rounds or a veteran to push Spears would be perfect.

Defensive Tackle-Jason Ferguson is exactly what we want at defensive tackle. He's got the size and he gets the penetration and on top of that he's a Parcells guy, but his one issue is age which is why I feel the Cowboys need to add a youngster with size and also the ability to play nose in the 3-4. Ratliff has played nose a little bit and has played pretty good but I think the Cowboys need a little something else there. Something like a run stopper, Ratliff gives you more of a pass rush at DT than a plug for the run defense.

Weakside Linebacker-DeMarcus Ware is a talent and a pick well spent even if he hasn't measured up to Shawne Merriman he's what we want for this team. I think when it's all said and done Ware will be a better overall player in terms of games played, statistics, and character. Kevin Burnett is a former second round draft choice who is really starting to help out the team. In passing situations he works his way into the lineup and plays well. This position is fine the way it is.

Right Inside Linebacker-Akin Ayodele was one of the Cowboys bigger free agent acquisitions and he has played very good I think. 77 total tackles, two interceptions, and a sack are good enough for him to keep his job. Bobby Carpenter has played a few snaps inside but I think the Cowboys will need to add some depth behind Ayodele because Carp is starting to come around at strongside linebacker.

Left Inside Linebacker-It felt like Bradie James was emerging as a leader on this defense and maybe he still is...but Bradie has been a liability in coverage and still needs a lot of improvement but on the other side of the spectrum he has a team leading 91 tackles. Ryan Fowler works in as the backup but could be replaced.

Strongside Linebacker-After Greg Ellis went down it seemed this defense fell apart. Bobby Carpenter has been a disappointment so far in his career but it is early and now that he has worked himself into the lineup it seems like he is around a lot of plays and is quickly improving. I think considering Carp is a first round pick he will get two more years to prove his worth to the team. Al Singleton is a seasoned veteran but really nothing special so it all depends if Ellis comes back. The Cowboys could possibly add a pass rush specialist.

Strong Safety-Roy Williams will make his plays and always has that intimidation factor for opposing teams but he has got to be one of the worst starting safeties in coverage. The Cowboys could bring in somebody who specializes in coverage to come in on obvious passing situations for Roy.

Cornerback-Terence Newman is a good player but probably isn't as good as us fans say he is. He doesn't get tested a whole lot but when he does he will give up big plays although not many are for touchdowns. Anthony Henry gives the Cowboys size and athleticism and even though he was beaten badly quite a bit this season I think he is a good player. Aaron Glenn is a gold mine at the third corner position and if he can play five more years great. Maybe the Cowboys should still add a young corner through the draft.

Kicker-This is going to sound like a homer but I like Martin Gramatica if he can do it again next season. Jerry won't draft a kicker so unless there is something better on the free agent market I don't see a major problem with good ol' Gramatica.

Punter-Mat MacBriar=pro bowler

I guess one conclusion I could make from my analysis is that this team has talent at the majority of the positions they are just not producing and that goes to the coaching staff.

ZIMMER=FIRED. Parcells is good and I want him back but these defensive assistants have got to go.

Any thoughts on this rant would be appreciated. Like I said let's just hope for the best as we go forward. Maybe this team can find a way to turn it around before the playoffs start.

You are so off base. A team is a reflection of it's head coach PERIOD! It always has been through the years. You need to go study football history. Parcells should be gone. And why? Because the game and time has passed him by, it's that simple people. It happens to everyone eventually. He is soft now...like grandpa Walton...and his team is soft. You think hes a good teacher? Let him go teach college then, this is the NFL son.

TO Gone? Hmmm I dont like him personally but who are you going to get to replace him? Glenn scares nobody on his own....this team is done. We are right back where we were in 2003. You people just need to face the facts...

[Gribble]

o.k. guys i have a question. as far as talent goes how many of our starters would start for the san deigo chargers? they are probably the best team this year so how many of our guys could start for them...our wr's maybe roy. anybody else?

Romo
T.O.
Terry Glenn
Flozell Adams

Ware
Newman
Henry
Roy Williams

McBriar
Maybe Gramatica

NO DL players...

[Gribble]

"You are so off base. A team is a reflection of it's head coach PERIOD! It always has been through the years. You need to go study football history. Parcells should be gone. And why? Because the game and time has passed him by, it's that simple people. It happens to everyone eventually. He is soft now...like grandpa Walton...and his team is soft. You think hes a good teacher? Let him go teach college then, this is the NFL son.

TO Gone? Hmmm I dont like him personally but who are you going to get to replace him? Glenn scares nobody on his own....this team is done. We are right back where we were in 2003. You people just need to face the facts..."

This is where my Randy Moss idea comes in.

[pocketaces]

o.k. guys i have a question. as far as talent goes how many of our starters would start for the san deigo chargers? they are probably the best team this year so how many of our guys could start for them...our wr's maybe roy. anybody else?

Romo
T.O.
Terry Glenn
Flozell Adams

Ware
Newman
Henry
Roy Williams

McBriar
Maybe Gramatica

NO DL players...

q.b. romo over rivers? maybe maybe not
w.r.s yes ours are better.
l.t. flozell over mcneill. i doubt it. hes been a great addition and i wish we would have drafted him.

c.b. newman starts henry doesnt. jammer and newman would be the starters. roy would start.

ware over merriman...no ware would have to move to the other side and over there they have shaun phillips who has 63 tackles and 11 1/2 sacks

so out of 22 starters we might have 4 or 5 who could start for s.d. seems we have a ways to go to be elite

[jetBLACK08]

I doubt that Terrell Owens will leave, or Randy Moss will come in. Jerry Jones is becoming frustrated, and I am waiting to see Owens have a big game.

I am not sure if I am going to see one though, with our lethargic playcalling.

[bigbluedefense]

Do you think Jones is frustrated with Parcells? I think that if Parcells and the Boys falter this year and end poorly, his job might not be as secure as we think.

He would be smart to stick around for one more year, because I think this team is gonna be better next year than this year considering Romo will have a season under his belt, and you expect those young defenders to improve. But only time will tell how this pans out.

I personally think everyone is overreacting. This is the NFC. Its a rollercoaster.

[cowboysforever]

I doubt that Terrell Owens will leave, or Randy Moss will come in. Jerry Jones is becoming frustrated, and I am waiting to see Owens have a big game.

I am not sure if I am going to see one though, with our lethargic playcalling.

First time Jerry has come out against TO's play. I am happy. Fact is TO thinks he reports to Jerry and not Bill. And that is the root of this problem. He has alluded to this many times in conversations and in his demeanor towards Bill. Why ya think BP just ignores him?

TO is done. He is 33. Never had good hands. Is not in a West Coast system and does set a horrid example for his team. Now with a permanently damaged finger more excuses.

Move on. Draft a new WR or get Austin to step up. Has all the talent to do so.

[cowboysforever]

o.k. guys i have a question. as far as talent goes how many of our starters would start for the san deigo chargers? they are probably the best team this year so how many of our guys could start for them...our wr's maybe roy. anybody else?

Romo
T.O.
Terry Glenn
Flozell Adams

Ware
Newman
Henry
Roy Williams

McBriar
Maybe Gramatica

NO DL players...

Gramatica over Nate Kaeding -- Flozell over McNeill -- oh my....

[Paul]

I doubt that Terrell Owens will leave, or Randy Moss will come in. Jerry Jones is becoming frustrated, and I am waiting to see Owens have a big game.

I am not sure if I am going to see one though, with our lethargic playcalling.

First time Jerry has come out against TO's play. I am happy. Fact is TO thinks he reports to Jerry and not Bill. And that is the root of this problem. He has alluded to this many times in conversations and in his demeanor towards Bill. Why ya think BP just ignores him?

TO is done. He is 33. Never had good hands. Is not in a West Coast system and does set a horrid example for his team. Now with a permanently damaged finger more excuses.

Move on. Draft a new WR or get Austin to step up. Has all the talent to do so.

I've been a huge proponent of Dwayne Bowe myself.

[cowboysforever]

I doubt that Terrell Owens will leave, or Randy Moss will come in. Jerry Jones is becoming frustrated, and I am waiting to see Owens have a big game.

I am not sure if I am going to see one though, with our lethargic playcalling.

First time Jerry has come out against TO's play. I am happy. Fact is TO thinks he reports to Jerry and not Bill. And that is the root of this problem. He has alluded to this many times in conversations and in his demeanor towards Bill. Why ya think BP just ignores him?

TO is done. He is 33. Never had good hands. Is not in a West Coast system and does set a horrid example for his team. Now with a permanently damaged finger more excuses.

Move on. Draft a new WR or get Austin to step up. Has all the talent to do so.

I've been a huge proponent of Dwayne Bowe myself.

I would like a Mike Jarrett or even (gasp) Mike Williams or (gasp) Mike Jenkins via trade. Not sure Jarrett is worth a 1 but definately sure he is not there in late 2 so ....

Williams was very good in USC and has been jerked around since he came out. Going to Detroit was a disaster professionally and honestly he needs out. New place to see what life is about.

Vick makes everyone look bad except himself and Jenkins looked pretty good versus Dallas. He has good hands and his drops have been magnified by moping.

Both Williams and Jenkins needs a new place t0o thrive and are in "bad franchise" situations where lots of instability may lead to unnessary roster turnover.

With that said, a big 6'5 guy with good speed is needed. Helps in red zone. Helps in middle of field.

[jetBLACK08]

Do you think Jones is frustrated with Parcells? I think that if Parcells and the Boys falter this year and end poorly, his job might not be as secure as we think.

He would be smart to stick around for one more year, because I think this team is gonna be better next year than this year considering Romo will have a season under his belt, and you expect those young defenders to improve. But only time will tell how this pans out.

I personally think everyone is overreacting. This is the NFC. Its a rollercoaster.

I think you are probably right. If Parcells does not produce in the playoffs, His job will be in jeopardy. He has had alot of time and alot of talent, but no production. We have the same wins as we do last year. I really do not want PArcells to stay, and I really don't want him to go.

Bob Stoops anyone?>

[Gribble]

Do you think Jones is frustrated with Parcells? I think that if Parcells and the Boys falter this year and end poorly, his job might not be as secure as we think.

He would be smart to stick around for one more year, because I think this team is gonna be better next year than this year considering Romo will have a season under his belt, and you expect those young defenders to improve. But only time will tell how this pans out.

I personally think everyone is overreacting. This is the NFC. Its a rollercoaster.

I think you are probably right. If Parcells does not produce in the playoffs, His job will be in jeopardy. He has had alot of time and alot of talent, but no production. We have the same wins as we do last year. I really do not want PArcells to stay, and I really don't want him to go.

Bob Stoops anyone?>

What are we, the Dallas Sooners?

[jetBLACK08]

This is the missing piece of the puzzle. THIS IS WHAT OUR TEAM LACKS. (http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/chris_schultz/?ID=189716)

Great Read.

[duckseason]

This is the missing piece of the puzzle. THIS IS WHAT OUR TEAM LACKS. (http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/chris_schultz/?ID=189716)

Great Read.
I agree. I think a lot of what's in that article applies to our (and many others) team. Almost hard to believe that a canadian wrote that. j/p Thanks for the link. I think the other obvious flaw in our team is coaching/scheme/play calling.

[Gribble]

This is the missing piece of the puzzle. THIS IS WHAT OUR TEAM LACKS. (http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/chris_schultz/?ID=189716)

Great Read.

I think Parcells' stressing of focus on football and not everything else is falling on deaf ears, especially with T.O. and his little birthday party.

In my opinion, Parcells should get rid of the media around Valley Ranch and get this team to play up to its talent.

[cowboysforever]

So, Terence Newman called out his team mates for playing like Dogs and said certain players should shut up and play properly.

Word has it TO, Bradie James and Roy Williams are the butt of his comments and T New did not deny.

Funny, the correlation between my comments about removing these 3 guys and T New's frustration with their play on the field and 'leadership' BS these 3 inadequate players have crowned themselves with.

Anyone else want to apologize to me now?? My eyes don't lie and apparently neither does T New.

[cowboysforever]

To T New: way to go calling out these big mouth bozos who constantly make huge mistakes then talk stupidity about performing and leadership.

Finally, a real Pro Bowl performer on this team is straightening out the TO's, Bradie's and Roy for talking a big game.

[cowboysforever]

Oh, and by the way, Terence Newman is Bill's favorite player on the team.

So his comments about Bradie, TO and Roy sucking are not without weight or merit.

[jetBLACK08]

Oh, and by the way, Terence Newman is Bill's favorite player on the team.

So his comments about Bradie, TO and Roy sucking are not without weight or merit.

source?

[thule]

Thread :cry: I miss it

[cowboysforever]

Oh, and by the way, Terence Newman is Bill's favorite player on the team.

So his comments about Bradie, TO and Roy sucking are not without weight or merit.

source?

DMN Cowboys Blog.

[duckseason]

Oh, and by the way, Terence Newman is Bill's favorite player on the team.

So his comments about Bradie, TO and Roy sucking are not without weight or merit.

source?

DMN Cowboys Blog.
Where exactly to he say anything about TO, Roy, or Bradie "sucking?"

Was there more than this? -
T.O. was a no-show but several of his teammates made themselves available this morning.

Cornerback Terence Newman said he was tired of all the talking his teammates have been doing and said he'd like to actually to see some results.

Asked if he was talking about players on both sides of the ball, Newman said, "It's possible."

Newman wouldn't name names, but his frustration comes a week after linebacker Bradie James called a players-only meeting for the defense.

James has basically appointed himself the voice of the defense and my gut tells me that Newman's sort of tired of listening to him.

Told what Newman had said about all the wordiness, James said he agreed.

"We've made this bed," James said. "Now we have to lay in it. The good thing about the bed is that all hope isn't lost."

[cowboysforever]

Oh, and by the way, Terence Newman is Bill's favorite player on the team.

So his comments about Bradie, TO and Roy sucking are not without weight or merit.

source?

DMN Cowboys Blog.

Ed Werder also. Check out ESPN.

I read the blog daily and Mosley is the team gossip.

He had referenced Williams in an earlier piece as one of the chatty ones also. Mosley hates roy most so not sure what to make of it.

Regardless a 'BP Guy' is calling out the non-BP. The non-BP guys are usually on TV.

Draw your conclusions. Remember also T New had a fight with Canty over stupid frat boy stuff.

Not lookin good

[jetBLACK08]

Oh, and by the way, Terence Newman is Bill's favorite player on the team.

So his comments about Bradie, TO and Roy sucking are not without weight or merit.

source?

DMN Cowboys Blog.

Ed Werder also. Check out ESPN.

I read the blog daily and Mosley is the team gossip.

He had referenced Williams in an earlier piece as one of the chatty ones also. Mosley hates roy most so not sure what to make of it.

Regardless a 'BP Guy' is calling out the non-BP. The non-BP guys are usually on TV.

Draw your conclusions. Remember also T New had a fight with Canty over stupid frat boy stuff.

Not lookin good

I just saw this on the news. What are you talking about this not looking good? This is great. We need a leader that cuts out all the crap.

[CTCowboysFan]

One of the first topics of discussions when I first came to this board was should the Cowboys switch to 3-4?

I was originally in favor of keeping the 4-3 but soon changed my opinion when the idea kept growing.

Now I wonder if we really should have switched...what do you guys think?

[CTCowboysFan]

To elaborate on this idea think about if we switched back to 4-3, how much better our defense would be.

RDE DeMarcus Ware
RDT Chris Canty
LDT Jason Ferguson
LDE Marcus Spears

ROLB Kevin Burnett/Bobby Carpenter
MLB Bradie James
LOLB Akin Ayodele

[jetBLACK08]

To elaborate on this idea think about if we switched back to 4-3, how much better our defense would be.

RDE DeMarcus Ware
RDT Chris Canty
LDT Jason Ferguson
LDE Marcus Spears

ROLB Kevin Burnett/Bobby Carpenter
MLB Bradie James
LOLB Akin Ayodele

OMG
This is INSANE! I was thinking it the other day. I was saying if Parcells leaves and a 4-3 Coach comes over. Our team would be deadly. Ware would have to add more weight and such. But WOw. It would be amazing.

[CTCowboysFan]

To elaborate on this idea think about if we switched back to 4-3, how much better our defense would be.

RDE DeMarcus Ware
RDT Chris Canty
LDT Jason Ferguson
LDE Marcus Spears

ROLB Kevin Burnett/Bobby Carpenter
MLB Bradie James
LOLB Akin Ayodele

OMG
This is INSANE! I was thinking it the other day. I was saying if Parcells leaves and a 4-3 Coach comes over. Our team would be deadly. Ware would have to add more weight and such. But WOw. It would be amazing.

I just wish we could keep Parcells and use the 4-3, though I guess I can't have my cake and eat it too.

[cowboysforever]

The folks arguing 3-4 versus 4-3 and getting all excited about it with the SAME EXACT PLAYERS playing more or less the same positions .... Ug.

So it is good T New said their are a lot of players talking that are getting abused on the field?

You think this good news? Wow, you sound like a therapist raving over breakthroughs on the couch.

I would venture T New is talking about a few of his friends on D as well as TO.

[CTCowboysFan]

The folks arguing 3-4 versus 4-3 and getting all excited about it with the SAME EXACT PLAYERS playing more or less the same positions .... Ug.

So it is good T New said their are a lot of players talking that are getting abused on the field?

You think this good news? Wow, you sound like a therapist raving over breakthroughs on the couch.

I would venture T New is talking about a few of his friends on D as well as TO.

Um excuse me....there is a difference in 3 lineman or 4. Big one. The Cowboys are struggling stopping the run because they are not getting a push from the D-Line, having an extra lineman would help that cause, and Ware is a natural DE anyways.

[chrlopez1]

We are all getting real technical about what the Cowboys need and I really enjoy reading all of this. But lets concentrate on the team and discuss positives as well. Remember we werent going to the Super Bowl this year.....We are still a long team with a great future with many good things. I admit we let a good opportunity pass us. We were still going to be only a 3seed and the farest we will drop is 5 seed. We have a good solid QB that time will tell if he is the real deal. RB...we could improve in tis area. WR....no matter what we are still dangerous. I think if we win 1 playoff game I will be happy......and say we had a good season with plenty of things to look forward too. Next year...we need to go OL or OT and a pass rushing LB...or Ellis. We just need to be positive and stop all this bashing...we are still a good solid team.

Come playoff time...teams get exposed...it happens every year. jsut like Chicago will (maybe) San Deigo....etc...playoffs are differet and weeks 15-16 are like playoffs......

[Modano]

Thread :cry: I miss it

[taylor03]

For those of you that think Romo is the heir apparent to Staubch and Aikman you are wrong.

In his first five starts, Romo connected on 10 touchdowns, had two interceptions and was sacked just six times. In his last four games, he has thrown just four touchdowns with seven interceptions, and as mobile as he is, he's been sacked nine times.

Its because teams have now figured this guy out by watching enough tape.

He is a very pedestrian QB folks, just look at his mechanics, his feet and release. He is a gunslinger throwing into double coverage all the time, this guy is NOT a "Franchise" QB. Yes he is much better with our horrid line than Bledsoe but if you think this guy is the one to lead us for the next 12 years you are very wrong. This team still needs a QB with the complete package. I hope they find a way to get a future leader in the draft, like trading for the #1 pick even if it means giving up the next two years and starting over. This team has no chance with the current coach, or that sorry 3-4 defense. Lets start over and build this thing right not spend the next 3 years going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 one and done.....year after year.

[leroyisgod]

For those of you that think Romo is the heir apparent to Staubch and Aikman you are wrong.

In his first five starts, Romo connected on 10 touchdowns, had two interceptions and was sacked just six times. In his last four games, he has thrown just four touchdowns with seven interceptions, and as mobile as he is, he's been sacked nine times.

Its because teams have now figured this guy out by watching enough tape.

He is a very pedestrian QB folks, just look at his mechanics, his feet and release. He is a gunslinger throwing into double coverage all the time, this guy is NOT a "Franchise" QB. Yes he is much better with our horrid line than Bledsoe but if you think this guy is the one to lead us for the next 12 years you are very wrong. This team still needs a QB with the complete package. I hope they find a way to get a future leader in the draft, like trading for the #1 pick even if it means giving up the next two years and starting over. This team has no chance with the current coach, or that sorry 3-4 defense. Lets start over and build this thing right not spend the next 3 years going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 one and done.....year after year.

Isn't Favre a gunslinger with bad mechanics?

[Gribble]

For those of you that think Romo is the heir apparent to Staubch and Aikman you are wrong.

In his first five starts, Romo connected on 10 touchdowns, had two interceptions and was sacked just six times. In his last four games, he has thrown just four touchdowns with seven interceptions, and as mobile as he is, he's been sacked nine times.

Its because teams have now figured this guy out by watching enough tape.

He is a very pedestrian QB folks, just look at his mechanics, his feet and release. He is a gunslinger throwing into double coverage all the time, this guy is NOT a "Franchise" QB. Yes he is much better with our horrid line than Bledsoe but if you think this guy is the one to lead us for the next 12 years you are very wrong. This team still needs a QB with the complete package. I hope they find a way to get a future leader in the draft, like trading for the #1 pick even if it means giving up the next two years and starting over. This team has no chance with the current coach, or that sorry 3-4 defense. Lets start over and build this thing right not spend the next 3 years going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 one and done.....year after year.

God we're so terrible... I hope we get Brady Quinn with the #1 overall pick we're getting...

Wait a sec... Playoffs?

BTW, Parcells has won the SB in the 4th year with every team he has been with.

[bigbluedefense]

A couple of points I would like to make

- Switching to a 4-3 defense makes this defense worse. Your LBs are big strong LBs built for the 3-4, you can't just switch over to the 4-3 and not get torched. Your LBs are too slow for the 4-3, and your DEs (Ware and Spears) are not built to be 4-3 DEs

- The 3-4 is fine, you just need your guys to develop quicker, better Safety play, and a DC who can get more out of them with playcalling. BP is too occupied to take over playcalling duties on defense, so I guess the only logical solution is a new DC who is experienced in the 3-4.

- Newman pretty much called out TO and Roy Williams. And he has every right to. For all the talk, TO is dropping some key balls, and Roy loves talking about how he hits people, but forgets that he can't cover a ham sandwich or tackle properly, so he needs to shut up too.

- Im surprised how the team is in so much turmoil when youre still in the playoffs. It was a demoralizing loss yes, but I don't understand the anarchy. JJ didn't make things any easier opening his idiotic botox mouth either. Thats the last thing you guys needed.

[Gribble]

A couple of points I would like to make

- Switching to a 4-3 defense makes this defense worse. Your LBs are big strong LBs built for the 3-4, you can't just switch over to the 4-3 and not get torched. Your LBs are too slow for the 4-3, and your DEs (Ware and Spears) are not built to be 4-3 DEs

- The 3-4 is fine, you just need your guys to develop quicker, better Safety play, and a DC who can get more out of them with playcalling. BP is too occupied to take over playcalling duties on defense, so I guess the only logical solution is a new DC who is experienced in the 3-4.

- Newman pretty much called out TO and Roy Williams. And he has every right to. For all the talk, TO is dropping some key balls, and Roy loves talking about how he hits people, but forgets that he can't cover a ham sandwich or tackle properly, so he needs to shut up too.

- Im surprised how the team is in so much turmoil when youre still in the playoffs. It was a demoralizing loss yes, but I don't understand the anarchy. JJ didn't make things any easier opening his idiotic botox mouth either. Thats the last thing you guys needed.

I agree 100% with all you said, but the turmoil has even extended to the fans on the site here and the media. I mean, some people want us to START ALL OVER AGAIN! It's a little ridiculous when we probably are going to play a very average Seattle team in the 1st round. I really think that this team still has a chance to get hot in the playoffs with all their talent and some creative scheming.

The situation isn't that bad. I think that people are starting to focus too much on a difficult matchup with Philly that entirely plays against our strengths. Think about it:

1. Philly has a huge offensive line, which overwhelmed our 3-4 in the run game and really ate up our blitzes.
2. Philly brings exotic blitzes and overloads at the line of scrimmage, allowing for continuous pressure on Romo which contributed to him never getting settled in the pocket.
3. West Coast style offense murders the 3-4 ILBs.
4. CBs in Sheppard and Brown allow them to play man-to-man, opening up blitz possibilities.
5. Garcia's mobility...

[Poet3334]

A couple of points I would like to make

- Switching to a 4-3 defense makes this defense worse. Your LBs are big strong LBs built for the 3-4, you can't just switch over to the 4-3 and not get torched. Your LBs are too slow for the 4-3, and your DEs (Ware and Spears) are not built to be 4-3 DEs

- The 3-4 is fine, you just need your guys to develop quicker, better Safety play, and a DC who can get more out of them with playcalling. BP is too occupied to take over playcalling duties on defense, so I guess the only logical solution is a new DC who is experienced in the 3-4.

- Newman pretty much called out TO and Roy Williams. And he has every right to. For all the talk, TO is dropping some key balls, and Roy loves talking about how he hits people, but forgets that he can't cover a ham sandwich or tackle properly, so he needs to shut up too.

- Im surprised how the team is in so much turmoil when youre still in the playoffs. It was a demoralizing loss yes, but I don't understand the anarchy. JJ didn't make things any easier opening his idiotic botox mouth either. Thats the last thing you guys needed.

Very good points. I guess it's the nature of the beast, or the nature of the Dallas Cowboy fan. I cannot stress enough the importance of bringing someone in here who is schooled in the 3-4. We are wasting our talent.

[Gribble]

Question:

Who are some 3-4 guys that we might wanna bring in?

[Poet3334]

Question:

Who are some 3-4 guys that we might wanna bring in?

Good question. I'm not sure who will be available. My dream would be Cowher leaving this year, and us getting Dick LeBeau. I guess that's possible. I don't believe the Steelers would be interested in hiring LeBeau as head coach.

[leroyisgod]

Question:

Who are some 3-4 guys that we might wanna bring in?

Good question. I'm not sure who will be available. My dream would be Cowher leaving this year, and us getting Dick LeBeau. I guess that's possible. I don't believe the Steelers would be interested in hiring LeBeau as head coach.

I was actually thinking about LeBeau myself. He'd be an ideal candidate for the defensive coordinator position. Also, keep in mind that Romeo Crennel might get canned this year as well. And he has a past with BP.

[Poet3334]

Question:

Who are some 3-4 guys that we might wanna bring in?

Good question. I'm not sure who will be available. My dream would be Cowher leaving this year, and us getting Dick LeBeau. I guess that's possible. I don't believe the Steelers would be interested in hiring LeBeau as head coach.

I was actually thinking about LeBeau myself. He'd be an ideal candidate for the defensive coordinator position. Also, keep in mind that Romeo Crennel might get canned this year as well. And he has a past with BP.

Good call

[Poet3334]

What's everyone's take On BP's press conference yesterday? He said he's going to do something about the lack of pressure. What do you think it'll be? Maybe a little 4-3?

[cowboysforever]

The folks arguing 3-4 versus 4-3 and getting all excited about it with the SAME EXACT PLAYERS playing more or less the same positions .... Ug.

So it is good T New said their are a lot of players talking that are getting abused on the field?

You think this good news? Wow, you sound like a therapist raving over breakthroughs on the couch.

I would venture T New is talking about a few of his friends on D as well as TO.

Um excuse me....there is a difference in 3 lineman or 4. Big one. The Cowboys are struggling stopping the run because they are not getting a push from the D-Line, having an extra lineman would help that cause, and Ware is a natural DE anyways.

So same players, same place on field with different titles is important? Wow.

We already play a modified 4 3 on long dowms so ....

This is a uninteresting discussion,

[Poet3334]

The folks arguing 3-4 versus 4-3 and getting all excited about it with the SAME EXACT PLAYERS playing more or less the same positions .... Ug.

So it is good T New said their are a lot of players talking that are getting abused on the field?

You think this good news? Wow, you sound like a therapist raving over breakthroughs on the couch.

I would venture T New is talking about a few of his friends on D as well as TO.

Um excuse me....there is a difference in 3 lineman or 4. Big one. The Cowboys are struggling stopping the run because they are not getting a push from the D-Line, having an extra lineman would help that cause, and Ware is a natural DE anyways.

So same players, same place on field with different titles is important? Wow.

We already play a modified 4 3 on long dowms so ....

This is a uninteresting discussion,

No we don't. There is a big difference in having 2 linebackers on the field instead of 3. We play a 4-2-5.

[thule]

Don't forget about a guy who is really putting in his work down in San Fransico. I don't know how many of you were around about 3 months ago...but Mike Singletary was another name who just makes a lot of sense for us. However he doesn't have the Parcells ties so IDK.

[Poet3334]

Don't forget about a guy who is really putting in his work down in San Fransico. I don't know how many of you were around about 3 months ago...but Mike Singletary was another name who just makes a lot of sense for us. However he doesn't have the Parcells ties so IDK.

I'd love to have Singletary here. Would San Francisco let him leave though?

[thule]

Don't forget about a guy who is really putting in his work down in San Fransico. I don't know how many of you were around about 3 months ago...but Mike Singletary was another name who just makes a lot of sense for us. However he doesn't have the Parcells ties so IDK.

I'd love to have Singletary here. Would San Francisco let him leave though?

I don't believe his contract is up this year...if I'm not mistaken he's signed for another year...but I was talking about a Parcells type successor.

[DMWSackMachine]

Well, I haven't been posting in - or even reading - this forum with a the negativity and spewage. Times like this are probably the most difficult in professional sports. You have a blue print, you pursue it, and spend years of development, resources, draft picks, signings etc to fill out all the needs of your plan. You attain enough of the materials that you need to fill it out, you assemble it and throw it out there......and it stumbles. The problems we are having now are not a matter of not having the pieces, or lacking in talent, or even injury. It's just plain not working.

That is very dangerous ground to be on if you are building a team, because you have to choose between giving up on something that you have spent so much time putting together, or keeping at it and risk "throwing good money after bad money". What is to be done? Is it coaching? Possibly. Is it scheme? Maybe. Is it intangibles? Who the **** knows.

The point is that right now for us to be suggesting all these wild scenarios, or even presuming to think that we have answers, is pointless and stupid. There is no way you can say that it's the D coordinator's fault, because you don't know what he does, how much influence he has, or whether it's the scheme that is at fault in the first place. We simply don't know.

I'll tell you what, though. This team reminds me, in two differing respects, of both the 04 Seahawks and the 05 Panthers.

First of all, the Seahawks were a team that was a "sleeper" Super Bowl pick by many going into that season. They had a great O-line, a very good RB, and a blossoming star QB, with some very solid talent in the passing game. They had spent lots of FA $$ on their defense, as well as obtaining some good young players. They seemed to have everything in place to take a place among the contenders in the league. So what happened? They went 9-7, with some truly painful losses along the way, and end up losing to 8-8 St. Louis at home in the first round of the playoffs. People were saying that they didn't have this, that or the other. That they couldn't win under pressure, that they didn't have a killer instinct, or that Mike Holmgren just didn't have the mojo anymore.

The next year, everyone looked back on how they finished the season and either wrote them off, or had them as a "nice team that won't ultimately contend". What happens? They dominate for much of the year, and run away with the conference on their way to the SB. Everything just seemed to finally come together, they clicked, and BAM, they started to play up to their potential.

The 05 Panthers, on the other hand, started out fairly slow, with bad losses to the horrid Saints and Dolphins in the first 3 weeks of the year, before hitting a very nice mid-stretch run where they won a bunch of games in a row, before having a mini breakdown at the end, getting shutdown by the Bears at home, before looking just horrible in home losses to : your very own Dallas Cowboys, and the division deciding game against the Tampa Bay Bucs. So, they end the season with a blowout win vs a bad team in a slump, go into the playoffs as the 5 seed, and everything starts to click en-route to a NFC Championship appearance that many predicted them to win based upon the dominance of their 2 previous games.

Does any of that sound familiar?

That may not be what ultimately happens here, but the parallels are pretty spooky.

How do we fix what's ailing us? First, we need to know what that is. And it isn't talent, because the players we have are capable of playing at a level commensurate with the best teams in the NFL. Mental mistakes have plagued us miserably in the last month, after 2/3 a season of sharp play in that area.

Maybe we're worn out. Maybe we're weak mentally. None here know.

All I know is that Bill Parcells has my trust, and that there isn't a single person in the NFL right now that I would rather have working on the problem. So, maybe we come out next year like gang-busters. Maybe it all falls apart. I don't know, but I am going to practice some educated forbearance, until this team show me, without a shadow of a doubt, that it does not have what it takes to compete for a championship in the NFL. If anyone else wants my advice on the subject, that would be it.

[pocketaces]

anybody see this...what do you think




We're hearing rumblings about a pretty significant scheme change on defense. Bill has no interest in providing details, but after talking to a couple of players in the locker room today, it wouldn't surprise me to see the return of the 4-3 on Sunday. Look for a defensive line that includes DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Ferguson and Jason Hatcher. The linebackers would be Bob Carpenter, Bradie James and Akin Ayodele.

[Go Cowboys]

anybody see this...what do you think




We're hearing rumblings about a pretty significant scheme change on defense. Bill has no interest in providing details, but after talking to a couple of players in the locker room today, it wouldn't surprise me to see the return of the 4-3 on Sunday. Look for a defensive line that includes DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Ferguson and Jason Hatcher. The linebackers would be Bob Carpenter, Bradie James and Akin Ayodele.

I don't see BP doing that, I think he is going to keep the 3-4 and can Zimmer at the end of the year, I think Zimmer is a great coach but he is not a 3-4 kind of guy.

Of course this game really doesn't mean much unless we lose and philly loses then we look terrible, he may do what he did when we start at the 3-4 and rotate back and forth between the 2 but we dont have th players for the 4-3 we have the 3-4 players.

Also in case this was missed Detriot is playing for the #1 pick this week, if they loose they get #1 if they somehow win they get 2 unless Oakland also wins

[pocketaces]

anybody see this...what do you think




We're hearing rumblings about a pretty significant scheme change on defense. Bill has no interest in providing details, but after talking to a couple of players in the locker room today, it wouldn't surprise me to see the return of the 4-3 on Sunday. Look for a defensive line that includes DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Ferguson and Jason Hatcher. The linebackers would be Bob Carpenter, Bradie James and Akin Ayodele.

I don't see BP doing that, I think he is going to keep the 3-4 and can Zimmer at the end of the year, I think Zimmer is a great coach but he is not a 3-4 kind of guy.

Of course this game really doesn't mean much unless we lose and philly loses then we look terrible, he may do what he did when we start at the 3-4 and rotate back and forth between the 2 but we dont have th players for the 4-3 we have the 3-4 players.

Also in case this was missed Detriot is playing for the #1 pick this week, if they loose they get #1 if they somehow win they get 2 unless Oakland also wins

this wasnt an opinion this came from the dallas lockerroom so i think its going to happen, just a matter of how much.

[jetBLACK08]

If we use a bit of 4-3, it doesnt mean that we are giving up on 3-4. Personally, I would like to mix it up a bit :twisted:

[Poet3334]

Parcells said that it would be apparent when you watch the game. That tells me we'll see more 4-3 looks.

[DMWSackMachine]

lmao, that doesn't mean any such thing.

It could just as easily mean that he is going to start Hatcher instead of Spears, that he is going to start using Bobby as a DE in the nickel, or any number of things. We may see some more even fronts, but don't think that this means we're canning the scheme. Bill is a huge believer in 2-gap - but even more important - lane-based defensive principals. That is never going to change.

[Poet3334]

lmao, that doesn't mean any such thing.

It could just as easily mean that he is going to start Hatcher instead of Spears, that he is going to start using Bobby as a DE in the nickel, or any number of things. We may see some more even fronts, but don't think that this means we're canning the scheme. Bill is a huge believer in 2-gap - but even more important - lane-based defensive principals. That is never going to change.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/12/_the_mosley_afternoon_report_new_years_e.html#more

I don't know why you would be laughing.

[dre1614]

A couple of points I would like to make

- Switching to a 4-3 defense makes this defense worse. Your LBs are big strong LBs built for the 3-4, you can't just switch over to the 4-3 and not get torched. Your LBs are too slow for the 4-3, and your DEs (Ware and Spears) are not built to be 4-3 DEs

- The 3-4 is fine, you just need your guys to develop quicker, better Safety play, and a DC who can get more out of them with playcalling. BP is too occupied to take over playcalling duties on defense, so I guess the only logical solution is a new DC who is experienced in the 3-4.

- Newman pretty much called out TO and Roy Williams. And he has every right to. For all the talk, TO is dropping some key balls, and Roy loves talking about how he hits people, but forgets that he can't cover a ham sandwich or tackle properly, so he needs to shut up too.

- Im surprised how the team is in so much turmoil when youre still in the playoffs. It was a demoralizing loss yes, but I don't understand the anarchy. JJ didn't make things any easier opening his idiotic botox mouth either. Thats the last thing you guys needed.

yeah but we cant be playing any worse on D. i think our last 4 games we are ranked 31st in the league.

i mean trying a 4-3 wont make us any worse, then we are now

[Modano]

I like the idea of switching to the 4-3 for the game against Detroit.. We have no interest in this game, beacuse if Phialdelphia wins they win the division.. Anyway, i would prefer to go to Seattle than play at home against the Eagles..

So if the experiment doesn't work out we have nothing to loose..

The interesting things about this scheme is that we could see Bobby in his natural position of SLB, Ayodele WLB and Spears DT. The thing that concern me is the ability of Bradie to play MIKE..
Ware will rush the passer all day from this position and maybe Spears could play at his level in his natural position of DT..

If Bill will do that, that's a good choice. If it works out, we can play some 4-3 in the playoff (with other teams studying the 3-4 we've played for 2 years)..

[leroyisgod]

I like the idea of switching to the 4-3 for the game against Detroit.. We have no interest in this game, beacuse if Phialdelphia wins they win the division.. Anyway, i would prefer to go to Seattle than play at home against the Eagles..

So if the experiment doesn't work out we have nothing to loose..

The interesting things about this scheme is that we could see Bobby in his natural position of SLB, Ayodele WLB and Spears DT. The thing that concern me is the ability of Bradie to play MIKE..
Ware will rush the passer all day from this position and maybe Spears could play at his level in his natural position of DT..

If Bill will do that, that's a good choice. If it works out, we can play some 4-3 in the playoff (with other teams studying the 3-4 we've played for 2 years)..

If we won the division, how would we be playing the Eagles? We'd be the #3 seed playing the #6 seed which would be one of those terrible 8-8 or 7-9 teams.

[Modano]

I like the idea of switching to the 4-3 for the game against Detroit.. We have no interest in this game, beacuse if Phialdelphia wins they win the division.. Anyway, i would prefer to go to Seattle than play at home against the Eagles..

So if the experiment doesn't work out we have nothing to loose..

The interesting things about this scheme is that we could see Bobby in his natural position of SLB, Ayodele WLB and Spears DT. The thing that concern me is the ability of Bradie to play MIKE..
Ware will rush the passer all day from this position and maybe Spears could play at his level in his natural position of DT..

If Bill will do that, that's a good choice. If it works out, we can play some 4-3 in the playoff (with other teams studying the 3-4 we've played for 2 years)..

If we won the division, how would we be playing the Eagles? We'd be the #3 seed playing the #6 seed which would be one of those terrible 8-8 or 7-9 teams.

Yeah, you're right.. my bad :oops: I was counting that we would've been #4...

[FinChase]

Don't forget about a guy who is really putting in his work down in San Fransico. I don't know how many of you were around about 3 months ago...but Mike Singletary was another name who just makes a lot of sense for us. However he doesn't have the Parcells ties so IDK.

Is Singletary a 3-4 guy? I don't see too many 49ers games so I'm not sure what their scheme is. He spent most of his playing career in the 46 defense.

[bigbluedefense]

Don't forget about a guy who is really putting in his work down in San Fransico. I don't know how many of you were around about 3 months ago...but Mike Singletary was another name who just makes a lot of sense for us. However he doesn't have the Parcells ties so IDK.

Is Singletary a 3-4 guy? I don't see too many 49ers games so I'm not sure what their scheme is. He spent most of his playing career in the 46 defense.

Ah, Mike Singletary. I watched some old film on him and the 80s Bears yesterday because there was nothing on TV. He was such a beast. The 80s Bears were my favorite 4-3 defense of all time. Singletary was better than Ray Lewis.

And to answer the quesiton, I don't know if Singletary is a 3-4 guy. I think he's more of a LB specialist. He was a 4-3 player, and has had only a couple of years of experience coaching in the 3-4, so I don't know if he's the guy for the job. Love him as a coordinator, find him intrigueing as a HC, but Im not sure if he qualifies as a 3-4 guy.

[dpl85]

I think the main difference between the two defenses is the 3-4 is a little better to rush the QB and the 4-3 is a little better to stop the run. Well the last couple games we haven't been able to stp the run or rush the passer so I think it would be beneficial to use the 4-3 a lot more than we have in the past. I don't think we really have the players to run the 4-3 exclusively though as Ware would wear down as an every down DE and our LBs aren't very good in coverage.

This is a desperate team right now, we should try anything and everything to improve our play.

This Detroit game is kinda a lose lose situation, if we win all we did was beat the worst team in the league playing for the #1 draft pick and if we lose well I dont want to even get into that.

[DMWSackMachine]

lmao, that doesn't mean any such thing.

It could just as easily mean that he is going to start Hatcher instead of Spears, that he is going to start using Bobby as a DE in the nickel, or any number of things. We may see some more even fronts, but don't think that this means we're canning the scheme. Bill is a huge believer in 2-gap - but even more important - lane-based defensive principals. That is never going to change.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/12/_the_mosley_afternoon_report_new_years_e.html#more

I don't know why you would be laughing.

All I'm laughing at is that you said that Parcells saying "it will be pretty apparent" = more 4-3 looks.

I'm not saying we won't try it some, and I'm not really saying that we shouldn't, all I'm saying is that it does not equate. Didn't mean to come across in a mean way, though.

[cowboysforever]

Someone made a good point saying Bradie James as the MLB in a 4-3 plain stinks. Too slow. Bradie rarely plays behind the LOS.

A few other things for the 4-3 discussion. 4-3 requires two big DT and speedy ends. Cowboys don't have that in totality. I think only Hatcher has that for the DE spot. I will say I think Spears or Canty can move inside easily. Canty kinda of reminds me of Keith Hamilton from the Giants -- same body type and a kid who went inside as his career progressed.

The MLB is in question, at least Bradie is in question, unless Akin can play it. Akin is faster and has already been canned as a 4-3 OLB. Jacksonville let him walk.

The OLB would be a little slow unless you move Burnett to WLB and Carpenter to SLB.

But the proposed changes are really wind dressing unless you get more speed on the field and bench a few of the starters.

[cowboysforever]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

[dpl85]

Here's an article on the possible changes on defense.

http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstory/stories/122906cpcowdate.2684617.html

[Poet3334]

lmao, that doesn't mean any such thing.

It could just as easily mean that he is going to start Hatcher instead of Spears, that he is going to start using Bobby as a DE in the nickel, or any number of things. We may see some more even fronts, but don't think that this means we're canning the scheme. Bill is a huge believer in 2-gap - but even more important - lane-based defensive principals. That is never going to change.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/12/_the_mosley_afternoon_report_new_years_e.html#more

I don't know why you would be laughing.

All I'm laughing at is that you said that Parcells saying "it will be pretty apparent" = more 4-3 looks.

I'm not saying we won't try it some, and I'm not really saying that we shouldn't, all I'm saying is that it does not equate. Didn't mean to come across in a mean way, though.

No, I get what you mean. I took what Parcells to mean more 4-3 looks, not just in the nickel, but throughout the game. Naw, we're just chatting
DMW. It's all good 8)

[boogeydown]

New DC-Sorry Mike I like you but he just doesn't get the 3-4. Zimmer would make a great college head coach somewhere. Word has it that Romeo Crennel might get the boot in Cleveland. He would make a great DC replacement.

OL- Dielman and Leonard Davis are both going to be FA but I have a feeling that Dielman will stay in San Diego. Leonard Davis played at Texas and played OG and OT in Arizona. Columbo has done a decent job at RT but Rivera is way past is prime. Davis could replace him and be a monster in the running game.

LB- Adalius Thomas is must have. I'm not sure if Baltimore will pay considering they already have a pretty pricey D but their loss will be our gain. Thomas opposite Ware would be a draft come true.

DB- Some of you have brought up names like Clements and Hamlin but lets be real. Clements wants to be paid what Bailey makes and the only teams that will give him that much are San Francisco and Tennessee. Hamlin is interesting but more of a Strong Safey than a FS. Ideally I say we just draft someone.

WR- TO has dropped alot of passes but its what doesn't show up that has impressed me. TO has shown a great willingness to block for the RB and I heard he broke something in his finger so I say keep him next year.

Draft:

1. NT Amobi Okoye, 6'1 317lbs, Louisville- Our future NT.

2.FS Brandon Meriweather, 6' 195lbs, Miami- The next Ed Reed?

3. K Mason Crosby, 6'2 215lbs, Colorado - I've never seen a kicker this good before.

4. CB Tarell Brown, 6' 200lbs, Texas- Glenn is getting old.

5. OT Brandon Frye, 6'4 302lbs, VaTech- Could play all over the line.

6. WR Steve Beaston, 6'1 178lbs, Michigan- For some reason he's slipping but a good Wolverine WR.

7. LB Dallas Sartz, 6'5 240lbs, USC- If we can bulk up this USC kid he could be pretty good.

[cowboysforever]

New DC-Sorry Mike I like you but he just doesn't get the 3-4. Zimmer would make a great college head coach somewhere. Word has it that Romeo Crennel might get the boot in Cleveland. He would make a great DC replacement.

OL- Dielman and Leonard Davis are both going to be FA but I have a feeling that Dielman will stay in San Diego. Leonard Davis played at Texas and played OG and OT in Arizona. Columbo has done a decent job at RT but Rivera is way past is prime. Davis could replace him and be a monster in the running game.

LB- Adalius Thomas is must have. I'm not sure if Baltimore will pay considering they already have a pretty pricey D but their loss will be our gain. Thomas opposite Ware would be a draft come true.

DB- Some of you have brought up names like Clements and Hamlin but lets be real. Clements wants to be paid what Bailey makes and the only teams that will give him that much are San Francisco and Tennessee. Hamlin is interesting but more of a Strong Safey than a FS. Ideally I say we just draft someone.

WR- TO has dropped alot of passes but its what doesn't show up that has impressed me. TO has shown a great willingness to block for the RB and I heard he broke something in his finger so I say keep him next year.

Draft:

1. NT Amobi Okoye, 6'1 317lbs, Louisville- Our future NT.

2.FS Brandon Meriweather, 6' 195lbs, Miami- The next Ed Reed?

3. K Mason Crosby, 6'2 215lbs, Colorado - I've never seen a kicker this good before.

4. CB Tarell Brown, 6' 200lbs, Texas- Glenn is getting old.

5. OT Brandon Frye, 6'4 302lbs, VaTech- Could play all over the line.

6. WR Steve Beaston, 6'1 178lbs, Michigan- For some reason he's slipping but a good Wolverine WR.

7. LB Dallas Sartz, 6'5 240lbs, USC- If we can bulk up this USC kid he could be pretty good.

Meriweather, Moore and Breaston are interesting prospects. 1st Round Talent but questions abound over production or attitude.

Breaston can return punts -- that I know. I think he is as good as Ginn in that department. Not fast fast but definately quick.

Moore is flat out specimen and question is whether the chaos at the U on Offense killed him. I think so. That team has had horrid coaching and O Coorindation for a long time.

Meriweather I love cuz he can play Free Safety or Corner in Nickel / Dime.

I love all three as value picks in rounds 3-7.

[cowboysforever]

New DC-Sorry Mike I like you but he just doesn't get the 3-4. Zimmer would make a great college head coach somewhere. Word has it that Romeo Crennel might get the boot in Cleveland. He would make a great DC replacement.

OL- Dielman and Leonard Davis are both going to be FA but I have a feeling that Dielman will stay in San Diego. Leonard Davis played at Texas and played OG and OT in Arizona. Columbo has done a decent job at RT but Rivera is way past is prime. Davis could replace him and be a monster in the running game.

LB- Adalius Thomas is must have. I'm not sure if Baltimore will pay considering they already have a pretty pricey D but their loss will be our gain. Thomas opposite Ware would be a draft come true.

DB- Some of you have brought up names like Clements and Hamlin but lets be real. Clements wants to be paid what Bailey makes and the only teams that will give him that much are San Francisco and Tennessee. Hamlin is interesting but more of a Strong Safey than a FS. Ideally I say we just draft someone.

WR- TO has dropped alot of passes but its what doesn't show up that has impressed me. TO has shown a great willingness to block for the RB and I heard he broke something in his finger so I say keep him next year.

Draft:

1. NT Amobi Okoye, 6'1 317lbs, Louisville- Our future NT.

2.FS Brandon Meriweather, 6' 195lbs, Miami- The next Ed Reed?

3. K Mason Crosby, 6'2 215lbs, Colorado - I've never seen a kicker this good before.

4. CB Tarell Brown, 6' 200lbs, Texas- Glenn is getting old.

5. OT Brandon Frye, 6'4 302lbs, VaTech- Could play all over the line.

6. WR Steve Beaston, 6'1 178lbs, Michigan- For some reason he's slipping but a good Wolverine WR.

7. LB Dallas Sartz, 6'5 240lbs, USC- If we can bulk up this USC kid he could be pretty good.

Meriweather, Moore and Breaston are interesting prospects. 1st Round Talent but questions abound over production or attitude.

Breaston can return punts -- that I know. I think he is as good as Ginn in that department. Not fast fast but definately quick.

Moore is flat out specimen and question is whether the chaos at the U on Offense killed him. I think so. That team has had horrid coaching and O Coorindation for a long time.

Meriweather I love cuz he can play Free Safety or Corner in Nickel / Dime.

I love all three as value picks in rounds 3-7.

Have not seen Crosby but those "thin air" kickers alwasy scare me. Have seen Medlock and I like him. Seems able to kick with pressure and has a good leg.

Okoye, last time I sawy Louisville I saw Ray Rice run all over them. At least he is young though. Not sure he is a 1 but people will reach.

Tarelle Brown is a good pick. Startz too. Non-superstars on those Premier Programs are usually good choices. Usually as talented physically but have not gotten the pub or coaching support.

[Poet3334]

New DC-Sorry Mike I like you but he just doesn't get the 3-4. Zimmer would make a great college head coach somewhere. Word has it that Romeo Crennel might get the boot in Cleveland. He would make a great DC replacement.

OL- Dielman and Leonard Davis are both going to be FA but I have a feeling that Dielman will stay in San Diego. Leonard Davis played at Texas and played OG and OT in Arizona. Columbo has done a decent job at RT but Rivera is way past is prime. Davis could replace him and be a monster in the running game.

LB- Adalius Thomas is must have. I'm not sure if Baltimore will pay considering they already have a pretty pricey D but their loss will be our gain. Thomas opposite Ware would be a draft come true.

DB- Some of you have brought up names like Clements and Hamlin but lets be real. Clements wants to be paid what Bailey makes and the only teams that will give him that much are San Francisco and Tennessee. Hamlin is interesting but more of a Strong Safey than a FS. Ideally I say we just draft someone.

WR- TO has dropped alot of passes but its what doesn't show up that has impressed me. TO has shown a great willingness to block for the RB and I heard he broke something in his finger so I say keep him next year.

Draft:

1. NT Amobi Okoye, 6'1 317lbs, Louisville- Our future NT.

2.FS Brandon Meriweather, 6' 195lbs, Miami- The next Ed Reed?

3. K Mason Crosby, 6'2 215lbs, Colorado - I've never seen a kicker this good before.

4. CB Tarell Brown, 6' 200lbs, Texas- Glenn is getting old.

5. OT Brandon Frye, 6'4 302lbs, VaTech- Could play all over the line.

6. WR Steve Beaston, 6'1 178lbs, Michigan- For some reason he's slipping but a good Wolverine WR.

7. LB Dallas Sartz, 6'5 240lbs, USC- If we can bulk up this USC kid he could be pretty good.

Nice post. Welcome aboard.

[cowboysforever]

Leonard Davis at Guard ..... hmmm ... can he move his feet?

Last I checked he was 380lbs and consider lazy.

Texas guy though.

[Poet3334]

Leonard Davis at Guard ..... hmmm ... can he move his feet?

Last I checked he was 380lbs and consider lazy.

Texas guy though.

I like Eric Steinbach with Cincinatti. He's a real mauler.

[cowboysforever]

Leonard Davis at Guard ..... hmmm ... can he move his feet?

Last I checked he was 380lbs and consider lazy.

Texas guy though.

I like Eric Steinbach with Cincinatti. He's a real mauler.

Yeah but given Cincy's Line problems ya think they are going to let a guy go who can play Guard and Tackle??????

[cowboysforever]

Leonard Davis at Guard ..... hmmm ... can he move his feet?

Last I checked he was 380lbs and consider lazy.

Texas guy though.

I like Eric Steinbach with Cincinatti. He's a real mauler.

Yeah but given Cincy's Line problems ya think they are going to let a guy go who can play Guard and Tackle??????

The good news for the Cowboys this year is I think they are drafting from strength. We don't need a lot but we do need quality.

I can see us trading some of those second day picks (we have two NO picks I think) and moving up in the 2nd and 3rd round.

But Guard is one spot we are in desperate need of quality right now.

[cowboysforever]

Sad part of the Guard situation is we have spent way too much in FA last two seasons on mediocre output.

[boogeydown]

Sad part of the Guard situation is we have spent way too much in FA last two seasons on mediocre output.

I agree Kosier we over paid for and Rivera was past his prime.

[jetBLACK08]

If you bring in Adalius Thomas
What happens to?Ellis?Carpenter?Burnett?

[boogeydown]

If you bring in Adalius Thomas
What happens to?Ellis?Carpenter?Burnett?

Thats pretty simple Burnett stays in Nickel. Carpenter hasn't impressed me enough to start anyway so he stays as a primary backup. Ellis who has been a liabilty in coverage gets traded or cut. A team like Denver would love Ellis.

[Poet3334]

If you bring in Adalius Thomas
What happens to?Ellis?Carpenter?Burnett?

I would like as many playmakers as possible. I do think Ellis would probably be moved somewhere else.

[jetBLACK08]

If you bring in Adalius Thomas
What happens to?Ellis?Carpenter?Burnett?

I would like as many playmakers as possible. I do think Ellis would probably be moved somewhere else.

Ellis is very important to this team. He is a proven Pass Rusher. He is a leader. I do not want him to leave.

If only the Cowboys could utlize both the 4-3 and the 3-4 on certain situations

[pocketaces]

heres another article on the 4-3

Look for the Cowboys to use a 4-3 scheme with DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Ferguson and either Jason Hatcher or Kenyon Coleman up front.

Brace yourself for this, but a longtime scout told me recently that Coleman might be the second-best pressure player after Ware now that Ellis is out.

Hatcher's made great strides, but he's still not a technically sound player.

In the 4-3 scheme, which would basically be a modification to the current nickel package, Bobby Carpenter, Bradie James and Akin Ayodele would probably start at linebacker.

Parcells has indicated that the light has finally come on for Carpenter, who wasn't even suiting up earlier this season.

Parcells has always preferred trying to win one-on-one battles rather than relying on the blitz. And after watching this team attempt to blitz the Eagles last Monday, I don't think that will change.

[boogeydown]

heres another article on the 4-3

Look for the Cowboys to use a 4-3 scheme with DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jason Ferguson and either Jason Hatcher or Kenyon Coleman up front.

Brace yourself for this, but a longtime scout told me recently that Coleman might be the second-best pressure player after Ware now that Ellis is out.

Hatcher's made great strides, but he's still not a technically sound player.

In the 4-3 scheme, which would basically be a modification to the current nickel package, Bobby Carpenter, Bradie James and Akin Ayodele would probably start at linebacker.

Parcells has indicated that the light has finally come on for Carpenter, who wasn't even suiting up earlier this season.

Parcells has always preferred trying to win one-on-one battles rather than relying on the blitz. And after watching this team attempt to blitz the Eagles last Monday, I don't think that will change.

on passing downs I'd like to see Ware and Carpenter has ends and Spears and Hatcher as the tackles. This would leave Burnett in coverage who is actually pretty good in coverage better than the other linebackers.

[thule]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

I really don't think you realize what it takes to be a 3-4 NT. You just can't plug players in...Spears could maybe hold up 30 plays a game at NT...but Canty has the wrong build altogther...some things you say are just so off the wall.

Then you go even further to predict trades and trade values....You can't just do that. Thats like saying we are gonna trade tony romo and ellis to get the first overall pick and draft quinn...just not realistic things to predict at all. I mean the draft is hard enough let alone FA and trades...try to get a little bit more realistic man.

I also believe we lost our 5th in the watkins trade with philly last year.



Brown is going to be a top 40 pick...so I think your crazy if you think he's available in the late 20's in the second round.

I believe I was the first person to be on Bookers bandwagon solid pick and value...might be a bit early but not sure tell post combine.

Way early on Moore he won't be a first day pick...hard to invest a first round pick on someone who has had so many problems. If he's available in the 6th...which he should be then I wouldn't be scared to try him.

Meriweather sadly won't be there in the 5th. No matter how undisipline he has been at the U....his talent will cause him to be a first day pick...someone will take a chance on him.

[thule]

If you bring in Adalius Thomas
What happens to?Ellis?Carpenter?Burnett?

Well Burnett would continue to backup Ware and Start in the nickel...and contribute in special teams.

Carp I have a feeling will develop in the Nickle like training camp...and likely backup ILB behind Adoyle.

Ellis is the real wild card. Would parcells really do that to a guy who has done everything for him. He is virtually free for us...he has a really low cap number so he definately is tradeable/cuttable. It will be interesting to see what happens with this situation.

Thomas is a great option for a veteran on the outside. I really would like this signing...it'll be interesting to see what the ravens do.

[thule]

Don't forget about a guy who is really putting in his work down in San Fransico. I don't know how many of you were around about 3 months ago...but Mike Singletary was another name who just makes a lot of sense for us. However he doesn't have the Parcells ties so IDK.

Is Singletary a 3-4 guy? I don't see too many 49ers games so I'm not sure what their scheme is. He spent most of his playing career in the 46 defense.

Well SF runs a 4-3...but its more due to the problem or them not having the players to play the 3-4 then actually wanting to play the 4-3. Singletary has some 3-4 coaching experience...and I just love how he gets the most out of his players. I think I may be a year ahead of myself tho...

[jetBLACK08]

If Crennel is available, I say We pursue him GREATLY.

[Gribble]

Thank God the desperation mode has gone down. Finally we're starting to look for answers instead of whining about them.

Anybody agree with me that Pepper Johnson may be another good guy to pick up if he's available? Used to be a player under Parcells if I remember correctly...

[Gribble]

Why isn't Ayodele playing so much?

[CTCowboysFan]

Yep Pepper played linebacker under Parcells in the 80's. Not sure though what he'd be like as a coach.

[Gribble]

Yep Pepper played linebacker under Parcells in the 80's. Not sure though what he'd be like as a coach.

I remember some ESPN features where the Patriots LBs had a strong connection to Pepper. Plus he's worked in the Belicheck 3-4.

[CTCowboysFan]

Yep Pepper played linebacker under Parcells in the 80's. Not sure though what he'd be like as a coach.

I remember some ESPN features where the Patriots LBs had a strong connection to Pepper. Plus he's worked in the Belicheck 3-4.

So your saying like a Defensive Coordinator type? I could possibly see that.

[Staubach12]

Hey guys. I've been gone for several days. Anyway, For DC I want Crennel. I think he'll be gone after this year, so he'll be available IMO. As far as applying more pressure, I think we should mix in more of Hatcher, and start Carp. I know Hatcher isn't totally developed, but I'd rather have a good pass rusher that's a bit underdeveloped pass rusher than someone who's playing like Spears right now. I'd be OK with throwing in a few 4-3 looks, but I don't want us to get carried away. I'm not a huge fan of it.

[Gribble]

Hey guys. I've been gone for several days. Anyway, For DC I want Crennel. I think he'll be gone after this year, so he'll be available IMO. As far as applying more pressure, I think we should mix in more of Hatcher, and start Carp. I know Hatcher isn't totally developed, but I'd rather have a good pass rusher that's a bit underdeveloped pass rusher than someone who's playing like Spears right now. I'd be OK with throwing in a few 4-3 looks, but I don't want us to get carried away. I'm not a huge fan of it.

Might wanna start him and get him some game experience before the playoffs. (Hatcher, I mean) Overall I think we have to mix up our personnel on both sides of the ball. I think T.O. might benefit from being in the slot because it's harder to get bump and run coverage and using many different players on D will confuse Jon Kitna, who is mostly worrying about the Martz system and not defensive personnel.

[Staubach12]

Hey guys. I've been gone for several days. Anyway, For DC I want Crennel. I think he'll be gone after this year, so he'll be available IMO. As far as applying more pressure, I think we should mix in more of Hatcher, and start Carp. I know Hatcher isn't totally developed, but I'd rather have a good pass rusher that's a bit underdeveloped pass rusher than someone who's playing like Spears right now. I'd be OK with throwing in a few 4-3 looks, but I don't want us to get carried away. I'm not a huge fan of it.

Might wanna start him and get him some game experience before the playoffs. (Hatcher, I mean) Overall I think we have to mix up our personnel on both sides of the ball. I think T.O. might benefit from being in the slot because it's harder to get bump and run coverage and using many different players on D will confuse Jon Kitna, who is mostly worrying about the Martz system and not defensive personnel.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Hatcher start, but I really don't think it'll happen. I also 100% agree about putting TO in the slot.

[Paul]

I would to see more of Hatcher and Ratliff, see how they do.

[dpl85]

If yall got NFL Network the 1971 Cowboys are on America's Game right now. Duane Thomas is an angy man. We shouldv'e been ranked higher than this.

[CTCowboysFan]

If yall got NFL Network the 1971 Cowboys are on America's Game right now. Duane Thomas is an angy man. We shouldv'e been ranked higher than this.

Yeah I just got done watching it :D

Thomas sure was a great back and he made a point that got me to thinking....

He said Dallas has never won a championship without controversy.

Just think about that for a minute. :idea:

[Staubach12]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

You say TO goes. Then you don't have us drafting anyone, and this years FAs at WR suck, so are you saying we just have Glenn at 1 and Crayton at 2? I don't think that would work. If TO, our first round pick better be a WR.

[Gribble]

If yall got NFL Network the 1971 Cowboys are on America's Game right now. Duane Thomas is an angy man. We shouldv'e been ranked higher than this.

Yeah I just got done watching it :D

Thomas sure was a great back and he made a point that got me to thinking....

He said Dallas has never won a championship without controversy.

Just think about that for a minute. :idea:

If Thomas hadn't been an idiot then we probably would've won a couple more Super Bowls in the 70s.

The controversy always surrounding us is interesting, though. Maybe the team that beat Denver didn't have conflicts, but all the others did. Interesting thing to say.

[cowboysforever]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

I really don't think you realize what it takes to be a 3-4 NT. You just can't plug players in...Spears could maybe hold up 30 plays a game at NT...but Canty has the wrong build altogther...some things you say are just so off the wall.

Then you go even further to predict trades and trade values....You can't just do that. Thats like saying we are gonna trade tony romo and ellis to get the first overall pick and draft quinn...just not realistic things to predict at all. I mean the draft is hard enough let alone FA and trades...try to get a little bit more realistic man.

I also believe we lost our 5th in the watkins trade with philly last year.



Brown is going to be a top 40 pick...so I think your crazy if you think he's available in the late 20's in the second round.

I believe I was the first person to be on Bookers bandwagon solid pick and value...might be a bit early but not sure tell post combine.

Way early on Moore he won't be a first day pick...hard to invest a first round pick on someone who has had so many problems. If he's available in the 6th...which he should be then I wouldn't be scared to try him.

Meriweather sadly won't be there in the 5th. No matter how undisipline he has been at the U....his talent will cause him to be a first day pick...someone will take a chance on him.

Thule, you talk with such certainty about what these guys can do it leves me gasping for air. Just admit you don't know, you have a thought and leave it at that.

I think Canty or Spears can easily play NT with time and training. Why you think otherwise is beyond me. Plenty examples of guys playing that spot at that height. All this talk of leverage by being short is kind of silly. Particularly since you create leverage through hand placement and lateral foot movement. If 6"1, 320 lbs of muscle with arms down to your ankles ... ok, I get it. But most short guys have shorter arms and have times shedding tackles and get overwhlemed by the bigger guards in today's NFL.

Also, Thule, what is your problem with thinking out of the box? You say Brown won't be around late 2nd? Hmm, someone said that about Marcus McNeil and MANY had him in the first to the Cowboys. He went after Fasano I think. So, Cowboys could of had him but .....

Again, your opinions that you present with certainty when there is none right now. You know as well as I do -- the combine is what settles most of these questions +/- 10 spots either way for the early rounds. The late rounders is a crap shoot.

With respect to Brady Quinn, I think he stinks. Another strong arm guy with no accuracy who will fail. You just seem to love ND guys at all cost. Example: Zibby who you pump ad nauseam and was just called out by a few draft services for horrid play and told to go back to ND to improve himself.

So, for all your talk about knowing talent and knowing how to trade and what you can and can't do all I have to say is remember my posts and compare them to what happens. You will find I have a good eye for this.

Now, with respect to my mock, switch Moore with Meriweather in the draft. Is this possible? Switch Grubbs with Brown. Is this possible?

We have extra picks to move around with and we don't need tons of bodies. We need high quality.

What about the rest of the draft mock?

[cowboysforever]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

You say TO goes. Then you don't have us drafting anyone, and this years FAs at WR suck, so are you saying we just have Glenn at 1 and Crayton at 2? I don't think that would work. If TO, our first round pick better be a WR.

I expect either Hurd or Austin to step up. I also expect Hatcher, Spears and Canty to play like the first round talent they claim they are.

You have to project some in this league to play GM. That is all I am doing.

BTW, I love Austin. I think he can be amazing. Great burst. fearless and has the size to play WR.

[cowboysforever]

If you bring in Adalius Thomas
What happens to?Ellis?Carpenter?Burnett?

Thats pretty simple Burnett stays in Nickel. Carpenter hasn't impressed me enough to start anyway so he stays as a primary backup. Ellis who has been a liabilty in coverage gets traded or cut. A team like Denver would love Ellis.

I have a different opinion.

If we get Adalius with Ware and Carpenter -- we have pretty good coverage LBers.

Trade Burnett now! He has value, you will lose him in FA otherwise, the kid wants to start and he deserves a shot.

Storing a talent like Burnett when you run a system that does not fit him and he has the potential to be a every down guy in a 4-3 seems silly.

Move him and get value. Better than losing him in FA for nothing.

I don't think it smart or realistic to stunt a guyz career just b/c. THe guy will look elsewhere first change he gets and you get nothing for him.

[cowboysforever]

If Crennel is available, I say We pursue him GREATLY.

I have a hard time getting excited about DC's but Crennel would be a major upgrade to BP's staff.

Also, for all the bad mouthing of Parcells he sure seems to develops lots of head coaches. He did pick up Peyton from the scrap heap that was GMen with Fassel and was forced to keep Zimmer by Jerry.

[cowboysforever]

So to revise for Thule's comments

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Levi Brown (OT)
2b> Ben Grubbs (OG)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Ryan Moore (WR)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

Again, lots of assumption in any mock drafts at this point. They are nothing more than baseless fantasy either way. Hopefully the Cowboys can move some depth for picksa nd maybe sing a FA or two to plug the big holes.

[thule]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

I really don't think you realize what it takes to be a 3-4 NT. You just can't plug players in...Spears could maybe hold up 30 plays a game at NT...but Canty has the wrong build altogther...some things you say are just so off the wall.

Then you go even further to predict trades and trade values....You can't just do that. Thats like saying we are gonna trade tony romo and ellis to get the first overall pick and draft quinn...just not realistic things to predict at all. I mean the draft is hard enough let alone FA and trades...try to get a little bit more realistic man.

I also believe we lost our 5th in the watkins trade with philly last year.



Brown is going to be a top 40 pick...so I think your crazy if you think he's available in the late 20's in the second round.

I believe I was the first person to be on Bookers bandwagon solid pick and value...might be a bit early but not sure tell post combine.

Way early on Moore he won't be a first day pick...hard to invest a first round pick on someone who has had so many problems. If he's available in the 6th...which he should be then I wouldn't be scared to try him.

Meriweather sadly won't be there in the 5th. No matter how undisipline he has been at the U....his talent will cause him to be a first day pick...someone will take a chance on him.

Thule, you talk with such certainty about what these guys can do it leves me gasping for air. Just admit you don't know, you have a thought and leave it at that.

I think Canty or Spears can easily play NT with time and training. Why you think otherwise is beyond me. Plenty examples of guys playing that spot at that height. All this talk of leverage by being short is kind of silly. Particularly since you create leverage through hand placement and lateral foot movement. If 6"1, 320 lbs of muscle with arms down to your ankles ... ok, I get it. But most short guys have shorter arms and have times shedding tackles and get overwhlemed by the bigger guards in today's NFL.

Also, Thule, what is your problem with thinking out of the box? You say Brown won't be around late 2nd? Hmm, someone said that about Marcus McNeil and MANY had him in the first to the Cowboys. He went after Fasano I think. So, Cowboys could of had him but .....

Again, your opinions that you present with certainty when there is none right now. You know as well as I do -- the combine is what settles most of these questions +/- 10 spots either way for the early rounds. The late rounders is a crap shoot.

With respect to Brady Quinn, I think he stinks. Another strong arm guy with no accuracy who will fail. You just seem to love ND guys at all cost. Example: Zibby who you pump ad nauseam and was just called out by a few draft services for horrid play and told to go back to ND to improve himself.

So, for all your talk about knowing talent and knowing how to trade and what you can and can't do all I have to say is remember my posts and compare them to what happens. You will find I have a good eye for this.

Now, with respect to my mock, switch Moore with Meriweather in the draft. Is this possible? Switch Grubbs with Brown. Is this possible?

We have extra picks to move around with and we don't need tons of bodies. We need high quality.

What about the rest of the draft mock?

Actually McNeil was selected before the cowboys selected fasano. They had the 49th overall pick...and the Jets gave us a good offer to move up for Clemens. So we moved down 4 spots. McNeil was selected right after. So realistically we could have selected him....but we couldn't have selected him after we traded down. Maybe we thought he would fall who knows.

You say many people had McNeil pegged to go to Dallas in the first round....I'd like to know who had him pegged to go to dallas in the month of april. Because McNeil showed back problems...and had weight concerns...as well as knee concerns if i'm not mistaken. This was the reason he fell...that and the fact that he played terrible his senior season. So if McNeil was ever to be projected to go first round in april it would have been the late late first round.

Glad to see you know more then scouts do about Quinn...I mean its not lik ethey actually know how to evaluate talent. Your far superior to them in that department I can see.

[Gribble]

If Crennel is available, I say We pursue him GREATLY.

I have a hard time getting excited about DC's but Crennel would be a major upgrade to BP's staff.

Also, for all the bad mouthing of Parcells he sure seems to develops lots of head coaches. He did pick up Peyton from the scrap heap that was GMen with Fassel and was forced to keep Zimmer by Jerry.

Belicheck?

[cowboysforever]

My Mock for what it is worth with the following assumptions. BP stays. TO goes. 3-4 Stays. Combine changes everything. Julius Jones and Kevin Burnett being traded for a 2 and 3 pick -- these guys need to go somewhere they are needed and can start. Either Spears or Canty will be moved inside. Watkins becomes starting FS. We have an extra 5 from NO I think>

1> Quentin Moses (OLB)
2a> Ben Grubbs (OG)
2b> Levi Brown (OT)
3a> Lorenzo Booker (TB)
3b> Ryan Moore (WR)
4> Jordan Palmer (QB)
5> Brandon Meriweather (CB/S)
5> Marquice Cole (CB)
6> Steve Breaston (WR)
7> Justin Medlock (K)

My strategic emphasis, by the way, is bringing speed to the team while getting the OL rebuilt.

I really don't think you realize what it takes to be a 3-4 NT. You just can't plug players in...Spears could maybe hold up 30 plays a game at NT...but Canty has the wrong build altogther...some things you say are just so off the wall.

Then you go even further to predict trades and trade values....You can't just do that. Thats like saying we are gonna trade tony romo and ellis to get the first overall pick and draft quinn...just not realistic things to predict at all. I mean the draft is hard enough let alone FA and trades...try to get a little bit more realistic man.

I also believe we lost our 5th in the watkins trade with philly last year.



Brown is going to be a top 40 pick...so I think your crazy if you think he's available in the late 20's in the second round.

I believe I was the first person to be on Bookers bandwagon solid pick and value...might be a bit early but not sure tell post combine.

Way early on Moore he won't be a first day pick...hard to invest a first round pick on someone who has had so many problems. If he's available in the 6th...which he should be then I wouldn't be scared to try him.

Meriweather sadly won't be there in the 5th. No matter how undisipline he has been at the U....his talent will cause him to be a first day pick...someone will take a chance on him.

Thule, you talk with such certainty about what these guys can do it leves me gasping for air. Just admit you don't know, you have a thought and leave it at that.

I think Canty or Spears can easily play NT with time and training. Why you think otherwise is beyond me. Plenty examples of guys playing that spot at that height. All this talk of leverage by being short is kind of silly. Particularly since you create leverage through hand placement and lateral foot movement. If 6"1, 320 lbs of muscle with arms down to your ankles ... ok, I get it. But most short guys have shorter arms and have times shedding tackles and get overwhlemed by the bigger guards in today's NFL.

Also, Thule, what is your problem with thinking out of the box? You say Brown won't be around late 2nd? Hmm, someone said that about Marcus McNeil and MANY had him in the first to the Cowboys. He went after Fasano I think. So, Cowboys could of had him but .....

Again, your opinions that you present with certainty when there is none right now. You know as well as I do -- the combine is what settles most of these questions +/- 10 spots either way for the early rounds. The late rounders is a crap shoot.

With respect to Brady Quinn, I think he stinks. Another strong arm guy with no accuracy who will fail. You just seem to love ND guys at all cost. Example: Zibby who you pump ad nauseam and was just called out by a few draft services for horrid play and told to go back to ND to improve himself.

So, for all your talk about knowing talent and knowing how to trade and what you can and can't do all I have to say is remember my posts and compare them to what happens. You will find I have a good eye for this.

Now, with respect to my mock, switch Moore with Meriweather in the draft. Is this possible? Switch Grubbs with Brown. Is this possible?

We have extra picks to move around with and we don't need tons of bodies. We need high quality.

What about the rest of the draft mock?

Actually McNeil was selected before the cowboys selected fasano. They had the 49th overall pick...and the Jets gave us a good offer to move up for Clemens. So we moved down 4 spots. McNeil was selected right after. So realistically we could have selected him....but we couldn't have selected him after we traded down. Maybe we thought he would fall who knows.

You say many people had McNeil pegged to go to Dallas in the first round....I'd like to know who had him pegged to go to dallas in the month of april. Because McNeil showed back problems...and had weight concerns...as well as knee concerns if i'm not mistaken. This was the reason he fell...that and the fact that he played terrible his senior season. So if McNeil was ever to be projected to go first round in april it would have been the late late first round.

Glad to see you know more then scouts do about Quinn...I mean its not lik ethey actually know how to evaluate talent. Your far superior to them in that department I can see.

Quinn, in comparison to Carson Plamer, Aikman et al, is projected to score much lower. Hi 6.

And all I can say about "Pro Scouts" and QBs drafted 1-10 (like Quinn) is that darts are as effective. No position is more reached for at the top of the draft than QB. The list of top 10 QB busts is higher than top ten successes. I am going to throw a number out there and say 66% of top ten QB are failures.

My opinion, Quinn is another ND Hype-Up. Like Zibby too. Can anyone say Rick Mirer?

[cowboysforever]

If Crennel is available, I say We pursue him GREATLY.

I have a hard time getting excited about DC's but Crennel would be a major upgrade to BP's staff.

Also, for all the bad mouthing of Parcells he sure seems to develops lots of head coaches. He did pick up Peyton from the scrap heap that was GMen with Fassel and was forced to keep Zimmer by Jerry.

Belicheck?

Gribble, the list for BP is very long. Rightly or wrongly he has lots of hi students in very very high positions in the NFL.

[cowboysforever]

If Crennel is available, I say We pursue him GREATLY.

I have a hard time getting excited about DC's but Crennel would be a major upgrade to BP's staff.

Also, for all the bad mouthing of Parcells he sure seems to develops lots of head coaches. He did pick up Peyton from the scrap heap that was GMen with Fassel and was forced to keep Zimmer by Jerry.

Belicheck?

Gribble, the list for BP is very long. Rightly or wrongly he has lots of his students in very very high positions in the NFL.

[cowboysforever]

Am I nuts or are the crop of RB and WR that are Juniors and Sophmores just amazing this year?

Just amazing talent it seems.

[cowboysforever]

Am I nuts or are the crop of RB and WR that are Juniors and Sophmores just amazing this year?

Just amazing talent it seems.

Ya think Aaron Ross or Blalock fall to the Cowboys? How about Sweed declaring? Texas seems loaded.

Q Moses is up tonite, be interesting to see how he plays after a mediocre senior season. 6.5, 250 and fast with a quick step, let see if he plays well.

[pocketaces]

anybody know anything about sabby piscitelli? heres one scouts veiw of him, sounds like a good 2nd round pick.

Overview Sabby is a 3 year starter for the Beavers and the clear leader of the defense. Sabby is a very intense player, you can see him yelling and callling out audibles before the play, and pumping his fist and celebrating after the play. An Honorable Mention All Pac-10 peformer in 2004 and 2005, finally cracked the first team in 2006.
Strengths Sabby has tremendous size at 6-3, and even better speed. He's lightning fast. One of the best athletes at the safety position in the entire draft. He is a fiery leader and plays with a great passion for the game. He not a huge hitter, but can definitely lay the wood when the oppurtunity presents itself. Extremely polished and experienced having started 3 straight years without injury. His 15 career INT's are top 5 all time for Oregon St. He really is just the complete player.
Weaknesses Watching his game, I really can't find any holes in it. He's fast, tall, can tackle well, a leader. The one thing he does need to do is add weight. He has the frame to add more weight, which will help him. He's not the showy prospect of a Landry or Griffin, but much more solid than both of those. Projection Piscitelli is the total package. He can start his rookie if necessary and will continue to be that leader. He is a great athlete, and very experienced. I can see him sliding up into the first, but looks to be taken sometime in the 2nd round.

[Go Cowboys]

Dunno if anyone else has this opinion, but if we decide to give up on Watkins we should take Michael Griffen in the 1st he just seems like a guy who can run with people and make hits if needed seems like a good cover saftey to me, and if nothing else he is a very good special Teamer. Which is what Carp did most of the year and what keith Davis is doing now.

[pocketaces]

Dunno if anyone else has this opinion, but if we decide to give up on Watkins we should take Michael Griffen in the 1st he just seems like a guy who can run with people and make hits if needed seems like a good cover saftey to me, and if nothing else he is a very good special Teamer. Which is what Carp did most of the year and what keith Davis is doing now.

he'll be gone unless we trade up

[Go Cowboys]

Dunno if anyone else has this opinion, but if we decide to give up on Watkins we should take Michael Griffen in the 1st he just seems like a guy who can run with people and make hits if needed seems like a good cover saftey to me, and if nothing else he is a very good special Teamer. Which is what Carp did most of the year and what keith Davis is doing now.

he'll be gone unless we trade up
Probley true just a thought

[cowboysforever]

Dunno if anyone else has this opinion, but if we decide to give up on Watkins we should take Michael Griffen in the 1st he just seems like a guy who can run with people and make hits if needed seems like a good cover saftey to me, and if nothing else he is a very good special Teamer. Which is what Carp did most of the year and what keith Davis is doing now.

he'll be gone unless we trade up
Probley true just a thought

Two free safeties in the first 20? One or the other may fall 20-25.

Still have lots of juniors to declare. 2nd and 3rd round should be good this year again.

[cowboysforever]

Am I nuts or are the crop of RB and WR that are Juniors and Sophmores just amazing this year?

Just amazing talent it seems.

Ya think Aaron Ross or Blalock fall to the Cowboys? How about Sweed declaring? Texas seems loaded.

Q Moses is up tonite, be interesting to see how he plays after a mediocre senior season. 6.5, 250 and fast with a quick step, let see if he plays well.

Well Moses can rush. Can he play OLB, dunno.

[CTCowboysFan]

Am I nuts or are the crop of RB and WR that are Juniors and Sophmores just amazing this year?

Just amazing talent it seems.

Ya think Aaron Ross or Blalock fall to the Cowboys? How about Sweed declaring? Texas seems loaded.

Q Moses is up tonite, be interesting to see how he plays after a mediocre senior season. 6.5, 250 and fast with a quick step, let see if he plays well.

Yuck! Aaron Ross is overrated. If you watched the game he blew coverage so many times. Andy Brodell took him to school. Sure he got an interception but there were three longhorns in the area one of them were bound to come up with the pick. I was not impressed. Blalock I thought did okay but nothing overly impressive.

[cowboysforever]

Am I nuts or are the crop of RB and WR that are Juniors and Sophmores just amazing this year?

Just amazing talent it seems.

Ya think Aaron Ross or Blalock fall to the Cowboys? How about Sweed declaring? Texas seems loaded.

Q Moses is up tonite, be interesting to see how he plays after a mediocre senior season. 6.5, 250 and fast with a quick step, let see if he plays well.

Yuck! Aaron Ross is overrated. If you watched the game he blew coverage so many times. Andy Brodell took him to school. Sure he got an interception but there were three longhorns in the area one of them were bound to come up with the pick. I was not impressed. Blalock I thought did okay but nothing overly impressive.

Playing Giants or Seattle.

[cowboysforever]

Am I nuts or are the crop of RB and WR that are Juniors and Sophmores just amazing this year?

Just amazing talent it seems.

Ya think Aaron Ross or Blalock fall to the Cowboys? How about Sweed declaring? Texas seems loaded.

Q Moses is up tonite, be interesting to see how he plays after a mediocre senior season. 6.5, 250 and fast with a quick step, let see if he plays well.

Yuck! Aaron Ross is overrated. If you watched the game he blew coverage so many times. Andy Brodell took him to school. Sure he got an interception but there were three longhorns in the area one of them were bound to come up with the pick. I was not impressed. Blalock I thought did okay but nothing overly impressive.

Playing Giants or Seattle.

Well Quentin Moses from Georgia can rush the pass and should be around 20-30. 6'5 250 looks nice for 3-4 unless when sign Adalius Thomas or similar.

[cowboysforever]

Looks like we pick anywhere between 20-25.

[thule]

If Crennel is available, I say We pursue him GREATLY.

I have a hard time getting excited about DC's but Crennel would be a major upgrade to BP's staff.

Also, for all the bad mouthing of Parcells he sure seems to develops lots of head coaches. He did pick up Peyton from the scrap heap that was GMen with Fassel and was forced to keep Zimmer by Jerry.

Belicheck?

Gribble, the list for BP is very long. Rightly or wrongly he has lots of his students in very very high positions in the NFL.

* Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
* Tom Coughlin, New York Giants
* Mike Nolan, San Francisco 49ers
* Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints
* Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns
* Eric Mangini, New York Jets
* Al Groh, University of Virginia
* Charlie Weis, University of Notre Dame

In addition, Parcells disciples Ray Handley and Jim Fassell served as head coaches for the New York Giants, and Al Groh and Chris Palmer were head coaches with the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns, respectively, at one time.

From Wiki

[Modano]

Would do you prefer? Giants or Sehawks?
And.. do you think we're going to show some 4-3 today?

[thule]

Would do you prefer? Giants or Sehawks?
And.. do you think we're going to show some 4-3 today?

I like Seattle in seattle personally....either way we have to play to win...if we don't we lose no matter who we play. I like how we match up against seattle better though.

[trademaster]

I would rather have the Giants at home .

[cowboysforever]

Well, part of me wants them to go through the hardest path possible which would be Giants at Home, Chicago on the Road and the likely winner of NO/Philly. Cuz Philly beats Seattle I think.

I would like to see this team beat theams that beat it. Show me soem anger and ba l l z.

[Number-94]

I would rather have the Giants at home .

Are you kidding me? You want to face a division rival in the playoffs? I guess you want a good chance to lose then....but heck the way were playing we aren't going anywhere anyway.

[boogeydown]

How great would it be to get Romeo Crennel to be DC this offseason then when Parcells retires next year get Charlie Weis from Notre Dame. Either way Rivera gots be cut or demoted. I still say we get Leonard Davis from the Cardinals to play OG on our team. He used to dominate in the running game when he played OG for the Cardinals. Another guy to consider is Deon Grant from the Jaguars. He's a pretty good FS for them.

[Gribble]

Would do you prefer? Giants or Sehawks?
And.. do you think we're going to show some 4-3 today?

I like Seattle in seattle personally....either way we have to play to win...if we don't we lose no matter who we play. I like how we match up against seattle better though.

Tampa Bay could easily beat Seattle today. I'd rather face them in the 1st round.

[Paul]

******** call

[Pokeys]

Its amazing how much we've regressed as a team over the past 4 weeks or so...

[jetBLACK08]

You know your Defensive Coordinator has to go..

WHEN::::::

He aligns a 5'9 CB against a 6'2 Standout WR around Endzone.

GENIUS!

[Pokeys]

G.R.O.Z.

[Burns336]

well its half time and were losing, but i like this new defense. I get the feeling the team isnt used to it yet so its still a bit "raw" but i think it might actually be what saves us. You know when Roy and watkins both get picks, even thoughs roy's was nullified, that something has changed. DMW is on a tear. hopefully we can put it together better next week.

arron glenn is getting owned.

[ncbigbody]

Hi, my name is the cowboy coaching staff, lets put 5'9" aaron glenn on a single coverage toss up to Roy Williams. Sounds great.

Roy Williams, most overated safety in the league.
Demarcus Ware, a beast.
Julius Jones, trash.

[Gribble]

Ugh... This is disgusting. I'm just pissed off at this defense right now.

[pocketaces]

hahahahahaha we are such a joke right now. cant wait for the playoffs to start. wheres m.o.t.h. when you need him? how about d-unit? dmwsackmachine? anybody? seems like just yesterday we were talking about running the table. just let the season end we suck!!!

[Gribble]

Offensively we need a rhythm or else we lose. It's that simple.

Jacksonville
Philly (2X)
NY Giants
New Orleans

All of these losses were due to the fact that we were playing from behind and could never get into a rhythm on offense. When Romo gets too much pressure and is forced to make plays it pretty much signifies that we're passing on every down.

Right now, we can't pass protect at all. Romo is running around and we can't run the ball. Nice completion to Glenn. He can work down the field much better than T.O. when we get time.

WR Roles:
Glenn: Down the field
T.O.: Crossing routes

Interesting note: Witten is almost always the option when protection breaks down.

[Gribble]

hahahahahaha we are such a joke right now. cant wait for the playoffs to start. wheres m.o.t.h. when you need him? how about d-unit? dmwsackmachine? anybody? seems like just yesterday we were talking about running the table. just let the season end we suck!!!

A Cowboys fan from Oklahoma?

[Gribble]

Romo keeps his head entirely up the field when he's running around. I can't believe that's been a weakness in this game.

[Gribble]

Sacked again...

30-24.

[Gribble]

I still feel like we're gonna win this game.

[pocketaces]

hahahahahaha we are such a joke right now. cant wait for the playoffs to start. wheres m.o.t.h. when you need him? how about d-unit? dmwsackmachine? anybody? seems like just yesterday we were talking about running the table. just let the season end we suck!!!

A Cowboys fan from Oklahoma?

since 1975. and this has been one of the most frustrating seasons since ive been a fan.

[Gribble]

well its half time and were losing, but i like this new defense. I get the feeling the team isnt used to it yet so its still a bit "raw" but i think it might actually be what saves us. You know when Roy and watkins both get picks, even thoughs roy's was nullified, that something has changed. DMW is on a tear. hopefully we can put it together better next week.

arron glenn is getting owned.

It's the Lions offense. Jon Kitna has been sacked 60 times and it makes any pass rush look good because sacks and INTs don't matter to Martz.

[Gribble]

hahahahahaha we are such a joke right now. cant wait for the playoffs to start. wheres m.o.t.h. when you need him? how about d-unit? dmwsackmachine? anybody? seems like just yesterday we were talking about running the table. just let the season end we suck!!!

A Cowboys fan from Oklahoma?

since 1975. and this has been one of the most frustrating seasons since ive been a fan.

Really? What about the Landry-Johnson transition? Those years were terrible.

I understand what you're saying though. We have so much talent and it just isn't coming together right now. This game is just further exposing our chinks in the armor and solutions aren't in place right now so it looks like we won't be going very far in the playoffs.

[Gribble]

Lions Series

1st-Carpenter almost had a pick there. No pressure on Kitna though. Double-edged sword...

2nd-Ware went too far around the edge, just removed himself from the play. Safety valves are killing us.

3rd-Furrey for first down. No pressure.

1st-Sack. Kenyon Coleman against Jon Scott. Backus is wiping Ware out on this series.

2nd-Safety blitz. No pressure. Furrey with another catch.

3rd-Kitna runs. Not enough for 1st.

Finally we get the ball.

[pocketaces]

hahahahahaha we are such a joke right now. cant wait for the playoffs to start. wheres m.o.t.h. when you need him? how about d-unit? dmwsackmachine? anybody? seems like just yesterday we were talking about running the table. just let the season end we suck!!!

A Cowboys fan from Oklahoma?

since 1975. and this has been one of the most frustrating seasons since ive been a fan.

Really? What about the Landry-Johnson transition? Those years were terrible.

I understand what you're saying though. We have so much talent and it just isn't coming together right now. This game is just further exposing our chinks in the armor and solutions aren't in place right now so it looks like we won't be going very far in the playoffs.

yeah, when we were bad i knew we were going to be bad so it wasnt as frustrating as this. i had high hopes for this year especially after we beat the colts and then the giants on the road. now we cant beat anybody at home. 1 and out in the playoffs. parcells is now 34-30 i believe in his 4 years here with talent and very little results. it is diffently time for some changes.

[Gribble]

hahahahahaha we are such a joke right now. cant wait for the playoffs to start. wheres m.o.t.h. when you need him? how about d-unit? dmwsackmachine? anybody? seems like just yesterday we were talking about running the table. just let the season end we suck!!!

A Cowboys fan from Oklahoma?

since 1975. and this has been one of the most frustrating seasons since ive been a fan.

Really? What about the Landry-Johnson transition? Those years were terrible.

I understand what you're saying though. We have so much talent and it just isn't coming together right now. This game is just further exposing our chinks in the armor and solutions aren't in place right now so it looks like we won't be going very far in the playoffs.

yeah, when we were bad i knew we were going to be bad so it wasnt as frustrating as this. i had high hopes for this year especially after we beat the colts and then the giants on the road. now we cant beat anybody at home. 1 and out in the playoffs. parcells is now 34-30 i believe in his 4 years here with talent and very little results. it is diffently time for some changes.

A lot of people think that Zimmer is out of a job after this year.

BTW, we have 16 carries in the run game for 42 yards. About 2.6 yards a carry.

[Gribble]

Jon Scott hurt. Backup has no NFL experience so we'd better blitz on that side.

[pocketaces]

well a win really doesnt mean anything (if we do). our defense stinks. not playoff worthy at all.

[Gribble]

well a win really doesnt mean anything (if we do). our defense stinks. not playoff worthy at all.

Any confidence for our offense is good. Because we have to win shootouts.

3rd and long at the 3. Great.

WHAT? OMG!

[Gribble]

Wow. That's all I have to say.

[Gribble]

Touchdown! Romo to T.O.!

Finally!

[pocketaces]

lol nice series but keep in mind were playing 2-13 detroit.

[Gribble]

Craziest series ever. Fumbling in the endzone on one play to a bomb to T.O. for the TD two plays later.

[pocketaces]

well a win really doesnt mean anything (if we do). our defense stinks. not playoff worthy at all.

Any confidence for our offense is good. Because we have to win shootouts.

3rd and long at the 3. Great.

WHAT? OMG!

your not going to win shootouts in the playoffs. especially at philly or at chicago. just ask indy.

[Gribble]

well a win really doesnt mean anything (if we do). our defense stinks. not playoff worthy at all.

Any confidence for our offense is good. Because we have to win shootouts.

3rd and long at the 3. Great.

WHAT? OMG!

your not going to win shootouts in the playoffs. especially at philly or at chicago. just ask indy.

I think we could against Chicago. Our defense or their offense?

Philly is our kryptonite though.

[Gribble]

Nice blitz. Except Carpenter missed.

[pocketaces]

how did he miss that sack???

[Gribble]

Ugh... Can't believe we let them have that 1st down.

Furrey wide open again.

[pocketaces]

man our defense sucks

[Gribble]

Nice stop there on Cason.

Jerry Jones is on the sideline... Hmmm...

Saw him talking to T.O.

[Gribble]

Mike Williams caught a TD. Mike Williams. Jon Kitna looks like Peyton Manning right now.

[pocketaces]

john fricken kitna has over 300 yards and 4 t.d.s

[Gribble]

36-31. I think we got this.

[pocketaces]

good thing we have all that money tied up in our secondary. thats the strength of our team.

[Gribble]

Defensively I think we have screwed the pooch today. Newman should be on Furrey and Henry should be on R. Williams. It's that simple.

[Gribble]

Sigh... I can't believe that. 3rd fumble for Romo.

[pocketaces]

Defensively I think we have screwed the pooch today. Newman should be on Furrey and Henry should be on R. Williams. It's that simple.

simple? hahaha they both have over 100 yards. were just not good

[Gribble]

Defensively I think we have screwed the pooch today. Newman should be on Furrey and Henry should be on R. Williams. It's that simple.

simple? hahaha they both have over 100 yards. were just not good

We mixed up the matchups. Furrey is their #1 guy right now.

[Gribble]

Nice stat for the Lions: 5th drive starting in Cowboys territory.

[pocketaces]

does it really matter. you realize this team is 2-13? ooops my bad 3-13

[Xiomera]

GOD DAMN COWBOYS, CAN'T EVEN BEAT THE LIONS!

:evil:

[Gribble]

GOD DAMN COWBOYS, CAN'T EVEN BEAT THE LIONS!

:evil:

I think it's hilarious. Who are you gonna draft now?

[pocketaces]

just another horrific loss at home

[Gribble]

With the 2nd pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select:

CALVIN JOHNSON, WR, Georgia Tech!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[pocketaces]

detroits first road win in over a year. how embarrassing

[jbombul]

that would be a possibility, but unfortanetly our wide recievers are tearing up ur secondary so now i dont know what we are gonna do...... if quinns there we still take him otherwise we get thomas, peterson, or trade down

[Gribble]

A safety valve? In our offense?

[Gribble]

that would be a possibility, but unfortanetly our wide recievers are tearing up ur secondary so now i dont know what we are gonna do...... if quinns there we still take him otherwise we get thomas, peterson, or trade down

:roll: Ok...

[pocketaces]

that would be a possibility, but unfortanetly our wide recievers are tearing up ur secondary so now i dont know what we are gonna do...... if quinns there we still take him otherwise we get thomas, peterson, or trade down

as a season ticket holder take peterson hes a stud

[Gribble]

Prevent defense! Let's go!