Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[Gribble]

Anybody wanna bet that Romo fumbles the 2 point conversion?

[Gribble]

Yay for Romo. Down to the 7. Timeout with :27.

[Gribble]

Dang...

[pocketaces]

cant wait till april gets here :twisted: :twisted:

[Number-94]

We are so one and done in the playoffs.......

Least Ware got 3 sacks?

[jetBLACK08]

Zimmers got to go.

[Gribble]

We are so one and done in the playoffs.......

Least Ware got 3 sacks?

No silver lining here. We allowed over 300 yards passing and 39 points against a 3-13 team.

[Gribble]

Zimmers got to go.

I agree. We couldn't cover anybody the whole game.

[Number-94]

We are so one and done in the playoffs.......

Least Ware got 3 sacks?

No silver lining here. We allowed over 300 yards passing and 39 points against a 3-13 team.

Thought I'd atleast try. But I think Ware is the first person I seen get triple teamed since.....LT tried to remember a time where I seen Thomas get triple teamed but I can't think of one.

[Staubach12]

What a disgrace. We end 9-7. No improvement. The only way we get to play one more game is the medeocrity in the NFC this year.

[Gribble]

What a disgrace. We end 9-7. No improvement. The only way we get to play one more game is the medeocrity in the NFC this year.

It's weird, but I feel like we are much better this year than last year.

Offense-425 pts scored
Defense-350 pts allowed

We've outscored our opponents by 75 pts and we're 9-7.

Very odd...

[Number-94]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

[Number 10]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

Smart man. And no, I'm not bashing the Cowboys are propping up the Giants....but the Giants match up very well with the boys. I was praying we would get to play you again....maybe in the NFC championship?

[bearsfan_51]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

Smart man. And no, I'm not bashing the Cowboys are propping up the Giants....but the Giants match up very well with the boys. I was praying we would get to play you again....maybe in the NFC championship?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Number 10]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

Smart man. And no, I'm not bashing the Cowboys are propping up the Giants....but the Giants match up very well with the boys. I was praying we would get to play you again....maybe in the NFC championship?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was hoping you'd see that. But I was hoping you'd take me seriously and get all angry.

[Number-94]

If we beat the Seahawks who are we going against....Saints or bears?

I think it's the Saints. Least we are away from Dallas(hurts me to say).

[Gribble]

If we beat the Seahawks who are we going against....Saints or bears?

I think it's the Saints. Least we are away from Dallas(hurts me to say).

No home field advantage...

[thule]

I have a feeling I'm glad I didn't watch this game. I did record it tho...so i'lll break it down later and probabally throw up a big board again.

[thule]

Did you know there has been two games all year against the cowboys that TOP hasn't decided the game. The week 9 game against the Redskins we won the TOP and lost that game. I think its safe to say we should have won that game.

Then we beat the Giants at home....even tho they won the TOP battle. I think its safe to say we got lucky to leave there with a win.

Bottom line is...we are a TOP team. Parcells knows this...but our OL hasn't done anything in the running game in 5 weeks its seems. We can't seem to run on anyone anymore. Ever since Romo has came in our running game has been ****. I don't knwo exactly what the problem is...but game where we win the TOP by more then 5 mins...we win be a great margin. Games that we don't win be get beat. I think this is the key to our playoff run. We need to be able to establish a running game. I don' tcare if we have to use the pass to set up the run. Bottom line is I wanna see 30 rushes in the next game with atleast a 3.5 ypc.

[CTCowboysFan]

TOP?

[thule]

TOP?

Time of Possession

[cowboysforever]

Hi, my name is the cowboy coaching staff, lets put 5'9" aaron glenn on a single coverage toss up to Roy Williams. Sounds great.

Roy Williams, most overated safety in the league.
Demarcus Ware, a beast.
Julius Jones, trash.

This is exactly where Zimmer kills us. That is the Coordinators job to make sure that does not happen.

[CTCowboysFan]

TOP?

Time of Possession

Gotcha.....I can not believe this though. I don't even know what to say now. I mean what do you say? We lost to the Detroit Lions :evil: I don't see anyway we beat Seattle.

[cowboysforever]

good thing we have all that money tied up in our secondary. thats the strength of our team.

Add to that mistake the ILBs on this team.

Bradie and Roy have to GOGOGOGOGOGOGO.

They are so fing slow.

[cowboysforever]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

Smart man. And no, I'm not bashing the Cowboys are propping up the Giants....but the Giants match up very well with the boys. I was praying we would get to play you again....maybe in the NFC championship?

Number -- Detroit Lions match up nicely. This says nothing of the Giants. You guys still suck.

[thule]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

Smart man. And no, I'm not bashing the Cowboys are propping up the Giants....but the Giants match up very well with the boys. I was praying we would get to play you again....maybe in the NFC championship?

Number -- Detroit Lions match up nicely. This says nothing of the Giants. You guys still suck.

Is there really a need to trash talk cowboys....we try to keep this topic mature man....even giants fans come over and show respect...no reason to jump on them because your bitter.

I would just like to say I was at Dallas Detriot game last year and watched Glenn line up on Roy and pulled my hair out. Same thing...we've never changed that. This was something that really scared me coming into this game. Like I said i'll give more of my breakdown of the game after I watch tape which will prob be tommorrow.

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

[thule]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

[cowboysforever]

I wanted to win...but I didn't want to face the Giants at Dallas. We suck at home and against our division. I'll take a shot at the Seahawks any day over the Giants.

Smart man. And no, I'm not bashing the Cowboys are propping up the Giants....but the Giants match up very well with the boys. I was praying we would get to play you again....maybe in the NFC championship?

Number -- Detroit Lions match up nicely. This says nothing of the Giants. You guys still suck.

Is there really a need to trash talk cowboys....we try to keep this topic mature man....even giants fans come over and show respect...no reason to jump on them because your bitter.

I would just like to say I was at Dallas Detriot game last year and watched Glenn line up on Roy and pulled my hair out. Same thing...we've never changed that. This was something that really scared me coming into this game. Like I said i'll give more of my breakdown of the game after I watch tape which will prob be tommorrow.

If I could just hear you say I am right about what I have said about the Cowboys maybe I will be nice.

Everything I am saying about this team needing to fix is correct.

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks..... when is the last fumble he forced?

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks ... when is the last negative play behind the LOS?

Compromise, keep Roy. He has some redeeming qualities but Bradie James? Bradie James may be the worst ILB in the NFL.

[thule]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

If we do believe ILB speed is a problem...I think we'll see Carp stay in the middle. But that seems like a log jam to me. Three guys with fresh contracts in the same year....that doesn't make sense to me.

One thing I wanna bring up about your Guard arguement. I think its safe to say we could find an upgrade over Koiser. But realistically he hasn't played below average. He has also been great when pulling. The problem is our right side of the line is gettin blown up. I think if we get a mauler in the offseason his play will get better. I would say we upgrade Flo before we upgrade Koiser.

As good as Henry to FS sounds...I really don't see it. I mean with all of our FS problems in the past don't you think we would have atleast given it a try up to this point. I find it hard to believe that he is moved there this offseason when he hasn't been tried there in the last 2 years.

As much as you wanna get rid of Roy it won't happen. Contract extention is not something you give your players to leave.

You wanna replace one of the top 5 WR's in the game this year for a guy who hasn't seen the field all year. What in the world makes you think Austin could see the field next year when he didn't do a damn thing this year. You can't just take out your best offensive weapon and replace him with a UDFA and expect to have the same production...get real

I think most would agree we could use a new D Cord.

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Did you see Bradie James on the Kitna scramble? The drive that cost us another TD I think.

WTF was Bradie? How the F does Jon Kitna scramble nearly 20 yards up field and Bradie STILL DOES NOT HAVE AN ANGLE TO TACKLE HIM?

That guy is 4.9 or 5.0 at best.

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

If we do believe ILB speed is a problem...I think we'll see Carp stay in the middle. But that seems like a log jam to me. Three guys with fresh contracts in the same year....that doesn't make sense to me.

One thing I wanna bring up about your Guard arguement. I think its safe to say we could find an upgrade over Koiser. But realistically he hasn't played below average. He has also been great when pulling. The problem is our right side of the line is gettin blown up. I think if we get a mauler in the offseason his play will get better. I would say we upgrade Flo before we upgrade Koiser.

As good as Henry to FS sounds...I really don't see it. I mean with all of our FS problems in the past don't you think we would have atleast given it a try up to this point. I find it hard to believe that he is moved there this offseason when he hasn't been tried there in the last 2 years.

As much as you wanna get rid of Roy it won't happen. Contract extention is not something you give your players to leave.

You wanna replace one of the top 5 WR's in the game this year for a guy who hasn't seen the field all year. What in the world makes you think Austin could see the field next year when he didn't do a damn thing this year. You can't just take out your best offensive weapon and replace him with a UDFA and expect to have the same production...get real

I think most would agree we could use a new D Cord.

Well some compromise on your end. Lemme see if I can level headed.

Carpenter needs to replace Bradie and send his ass back to the bench. Sorry. Draft a Quentin Moses to WOLB and move Ware. Otherwise get Adalius and over pay. Either way, you can count on Ellis other than 15-20 snaps per game next year.

On the Guards, well if you look at my mock you have my answers. One T and One Guard very early. Even if this means Proctor as stop gap. But Rivera needs to go back to Green Bay cuz he reallly really sucks. Agreed Kosier is salvagable.

Henry played FS today. Who you think broke up the pass in the end zone in the first half versus Roy?????? With that said I will give Watkins a shot. He looks to be getting better and better. Regardless, we need another DB. We have too many problems when teams spread us out.

TO is a cancer. Get rid of him. I think our WRs are good enuff without him. May cut out a few TDs but maybe we will run with more conviction.

Let me add another dud. Julius Jones. He really sucks too. He needs to go. Looks like a blind man running. Never hits the second hole or cut back lane. EVER.

[CTCowboysFan]

I want TO gone. I want Zimmer gone. I want the 3-4 gone. I want an O-Line. I want a running game. I want Teddy Ginn!

How much of this will really happen? Probably 75%..

[thule]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks..... when is the last fumble he forced?

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks ... when is the last negative play behind the LOS?

Compromise, keep Roy. He has some redeeming qualities but Bradie James? Bradie James may be the worst ILB in the NFL.

This is what you don't get. It' snot what we want. Personally I think Roy is a waste on this team if he isn't playing the box. But even if he plays all year in the cover 2...my opinion carries no weight....which is why you don't see me proposing situations to get rid of him. Because you don't give players contract extentions to get rid of them I don't care how slow they are....they aren't going anywhere no matter how bad you and whoever else wants them to go.

[cowboysforever]

The BARE minimum needed for this team ...

Get rid of Julius Jones.
Get rid of Bradie James
Get rid of Marco Rivera
Get rid of Mike Zimmer.

Addition by subtraction. I'll keep TO and Roy Williams for now but those cast of clowns above really are horrid.

[thule]

The BARE minimum needed for this team ...

Get rid of Julius Jones.
Get rid of Bradie James
Get rid of Marco Rivera
Get rid of Mike Zimmer.

Addition by subtraction. I'll keep TO and Roy Williams for now but those cast of clowns above really are horrid.

Julius has value....Should be a mid 2nd-3rd rounder
Bradie will be here like it or not.
Marco Rivera is definately cuttable....curious to see his cap number to see if its worth it to keep him for his leadership.
It will be interesting to watch the Zimmer situation develop. Parcells has never really came out against him...I'll personnally be surprised to see him leave but it would'nt be because I thought it was bad decision.

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks..... when is the last fumble he forced?

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks ... when is the last negative play behind the LOS?

Compromise, keep Roy. He has some redeeming qualities but Bradie James? Bradie James may be the worst ILB in the NFL.

This is what you don't get. It' snot what we want. Personally I think Roy is a waste on this team if he isn't playing the box. But even if he plays all year in the cover 2...my opinion carries no weight....which is why you don't see me proposing situations to get rid of him. Because you don't give players contract extentions to get rid of them I don't care how slow they are....they aren't going anywhere no matter how bad you and whoever else wants them to go.

Thule, sunk cost is sunk cost. If you can sign a 1 or 2 year guy for less than Roy's base salary or Bradie's base salary then you win.

Once again, Jerry Jones has shown what a horrid GM he is by signing flawed players to long deals for no reason whatsoever. Why?

Because he systematically over value the talent on this team. Particularly his draft choices and the guys he likes.

The talent on this team only proves to me two things: BP needs to adjust his LB philosophy next year and Jerry Jones should be barred from GMing. He is the George Steinbrenner of football.

Every time George gets involved in plays acquisition -- disaster. Same with Jerry. He is the worst GM in the NFL bar none.

[thule]

I want TO gone. I want Zimmer gone. I want the 3-4 gone. I want an O-Line. I want a running game. I want Teddy Ginn!

How much of this will really happen? Probably 75%..

Well lucky for us...looks like Rice's bowl performance might let him declare. I don't care which one it is...but I really like the idea of Ginn/Rice/even Shark if Crayton leaves.

[cowboysforever]

The BARE minimum needed for this team ...

Get rid of Julius Jones.
Get rid of Bradie James
Get rid of Marco Rivera
Get rid of Mike Zimmer.

Addition by subtraction. I'll keep TO and Roy Williams for now but those cast of clowns above really are horrid.

Julius has value....Should be a mid 2nd-3rd rounder
Bradie will be here like it or not.
Marco Rivera is definately cuttable....curious to see his cap number to see if its worth it to keep him for his leadership.
It will be interesting to watch the Zimmer situation develop. Parcells has never really came out against him...I'll personnally be surprised to see him leave but it would'nt be because I thought it was bad decision.

Thule, if we are really smart we also find a place for Burnett before we lose him to FA.

Funny b/c when I saw the contracts for Bradie and Roy I almost puked earlier this season.

[cowboysforever]

I want TO gone. I want Zimmer gone. I want the 3-4 gone. I want an O-Line. I want a running game. I want Teddy Ginn!

How much of this will really happen? Probably 75%..

Well lucky for us...looks like Rice's bowl performance might let him declare. I don't care which one it is...but I really like the idea of Ginn/Rice/even Shark if Crayton leaves.

I would waste a 1st rounder for Rice... as long as TO goes and we sign Adlius THomas

[cowboysforever]

The BARE minimum needed for this team ...

Get rid of Julius Jones.
Get rid of Bradie James
Get rid of Marco Rivera
Get rid of Mike Zimmer.

Addition by subtraction. I'll keep TO and Roy Williams for now but those cast of clowns above really are horrid.

Julius has value....Should be a mid 2nd-3rd rounder
Bradie will be here like it or not.
Marco Rivera is definately cuttable....curious to see his cap number to see if its worth it to keep him for his leadership.
It will be interesting to watch the Zimmer situation develop. Parcells has never really came out against him...I'll personnally be surprised to see him leave but it would'nt be because I thought it was bad decision.

Thule, if we are really smart we also find a place for Burnett before we lose him to FA.

Funny b/c when I saw the contracts for Bradie and Roy I almost puked earlier this season.

Bradie can stay. Teach him to long snap and play Special Teams. It is all he is worth athletically.

[thule]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks..... when is the last fumble he forced?

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks ... when is the last negative play behind the LOS?

Compromise, keep Roy. He has some redeeming qualities but Bradie James? Bradie James may be the worst ILB in the NFL.

This is what you don't get. It' snot what we want. Personally I think Roy is a waste on this team if he isn't playing the box. But even if he plays all year in the cover 2...my opinion carries no weight....which is why you don't see me proposing situations to get rid of him. Because you don't give players contract extentions to get rid of them I don't care how slow they are....they aren't going anywhere no matter how bad you and whoever else wants them to go.

Thule, sunk cost is sunk cost. If you can sign a 1 or 2 year guy for less than Roy's base salary or Bradie's base salary then you win.

Once again, Jerry Jones has shown what a horrid GM he is by signing flawed players to long deals for no reason whatsoever. Why?

Because he systematically over value the talent on this team. Particularly his draft choices and the guys he likes.

The talent on this team only proves to me two things: BP needs to adjust his LB philosophy next year and Jerry Jones should be barred from GMing. He is the George Steinbrenner of football.

Every time George gets involved in plays acquisition -- disaster. Same with Jerry. He is the worst GM in the NFL bar none.

Take your GM arguement to the Lions or Redskins board. I think both GM's are considerably worse the Jerry.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree about the Roy and Bradie situation. Because our view of the salary cap is completely opposite.

[dpl85]

I'm so freaking pissed off right now, I can't even begin to articulate my anger and dissapointment. That was in all likelihood my last game to watch live at the stadium and they left me with that as a lasting memory. I think we just gave up and played like the game had no significance at all. If you didn't know any better you'd swear we were the team playing for the #1 draft pick. A performance like this two weeks in a row particularly this week against the worst team in the entire leauge just indicts our entire organization. I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed if Jerry fired Parcells. I've been pretty supportive of Parcells generally speaking but we've choked and or collapsed at the end of the season three years in a row now and ultimately the blame has to fall on the head coach. Having said that though I don't know that there's anybody out there that would neccessarily be better. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[cowboysforever]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks..... when is the last fumble he forced?

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks ... when is the last negative play behind the LOS?

Compromise, keep Roy. He has some redeeming qualities but Bradie James? Bradie James may be the worst ILB in the NFL.

This is what you don't get. It' snot what we want. Personally I think Roy is a waste on this team if he isn't playing the box. But even if he plays all year in the cover 2...my opinion carries no weight....which is why you don't see me proposing situations to get rid of him. Because you don't give players contract extentions to get rid of them I don't care how slow they are....they aren't going anywhere no matter how bad you and whoever else wants them to go.

Thule, sunk cost is sunk cost. If you can sign a 1 or 2 year guy for less than Roy's base salary or Bradie's base salary then you win.

Once again, Jerry Jones has shown what a horrid GM he is by signing flawed players to long deals for no reason whatsoever. Why?

Because he systematically over value the talent on this team. Particularly his draft choices and the guys he likes.

The talent on this team only proves to me two things: BP needs to adjust his LB philosophy next year and Jerry Jones should be barred from GMing. He is the George Steinbrenner of football.

Every time George gets involved in plays acquisition -- disaster. Same with Jerry. He is the worst GM in the NFL bar none.

Take your GM arguement to the Lions or Redskins board. I think both GM's are considerably worse the Jerry.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree about the Roy and Bradie situation. Because our view of the salary cap is completely opposite.

Hmmm, ok Snyder and Millen are just as bad. At least Millen drafted Sims, Rogers and Williams. Pro Bowl caliber. We don't even have that.

I know how the cap works. The key to making it work is signing a guy for the duration fo the contract at equal or lower value than the base salary you just dumped. Usually a Sam Madison type -- older and experience with a few years left on the wheels.

Not only that if you agree to take the hit for at least the bonus piece -- some teams may find value in Roy. This where the cap messes up lots of teams -- in figuring out how to amortize the bonus against the cap

[Poet3334]

Disappointing is an understatement I guess. I would have never imagined this outcome for this game, but it's happened. I have to think a little more rationally before I make my case for changes.

[cowboysforever]

I'm so freaking pissed off right now, I can't even begin to articulate my anger and dissapointment. That was in all likelihood my last game to watch live at the stadium and they left me with that as a lasting memory. I think we just gave up and played like the game had no significance at all. If you didn't know any better you'd swear we were the team playing for the #1 draft pick. A performance like this two weeks in a row particularly this week against the worst team in the entire leauge just indicts our entire organization. I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed if Jerry fired Parcells. I've been pretty supportive of Parcells generally speaking but we've choked and or collapsed at the end of the season three years in a row now and ultimately the blame has to fall on the head coach. Having said that though I don't know that there's anybody out there that would neccessarily be better. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Well, Jerry Jones is horrid. His only defense is he owns the team. Just review his past 13 years of drafts. Review his trades.

No one has a worst record of achievement than Jerry Jones on this team No one. He should be the FIRST FIRED.

With that said, two years collapsing in December speaks poorly of the players, Bill and his coaches.

[thule]

I have my official list of important changes. To all the 3-4 BP apologists I am sorry there is a major flaw in the 3-4 as configured.

1) New D Coordinator -- Zimmer is not a good coach. The Glenn TD was a perfect example. Williams on Glenn 1-on1? Players techniques and reads are horrid.
2) Two new Guards -- sick of seeing Rivera and Kosier on the floor behind the LOS. Seems every running play is blown up over the guards.
3) A new ILB with speed -- get rid of James. He sucks.
4) Pass rushing classes for Canty and Spears and Hatcher.
5) A new CB nd move Henry to FS.
6) Get rid of Roy Williams. He really sucks.
7) Get rid of TO -- let Austin play.
8) Romeo Crennel if fired.

You don't give players like Roy and James contract extentions to get rid of them. I don't understand what you don't get about that. They have brand new contracts....not even 6 months old. They will be hear next year regaurdless. Believe it or not the NFL is a business and you don't give players lots of money to move them because your fans don't like them. Lets think abou tit man.

Thule -- both guys suck. What more do you need to see.

Has either Defensed a pass this season? Lemme answer maybe 2 each.

They both suck. Take the cap hit and move on.

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks..... when is the last fumble he forced?

Let me add to how much Bradie sucks ... when is the last negative play behind the LOS?

Compromise, keep Roy. He has some redeeming qualities but Bradie James? Bradie James may be the worst ILB in the NFL.

This is what you don't get. It' snot what we want. Personally I think Roy is a waste on this team if he isn't playing the box. But even if he plays all year in the cover 2...my opinion carries no weight....which is why you don't see me proposing situations to get rid of him. Because you don't give players contract extentions to get rid of them I don't care how slow they are....they aren't going anywhere no matter how bad you and whoever else wants them to go.

Thule, sunk cost is sunk cost. If you can sign a 1 or 2 year guy for less than Roy's base salary or Bradie's base salary then you win.

Once again, Jerry Jones has shown what a horrid GM he is by signing flawed players to long deals for no reason whatsoever. Why?

Because he systematically over value the talent on this team. Particularly his draft choices and the guys he likes.

The talent on this team only proves to me two things: BP needs to adjust his LB philosophy next year and Jerry Jones should be barred from GMing. He is the George Steinbrenner of football.

Every time George gets involved in plays acquisition -- disaster. Same with Jerry. He is the worst GM in the NFL bar none.

Take your GM arguement to the Lions or Redskins board. I think both GM's are considerably worse the Jerry.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree about the Roy and Bradie situation. Because our view of the salary cap is completely opposite.

Hmmm, ok Snyder and Millen are just as bad. At least Millen drafted Sims, Rogers and Williams. Pro Bowl caliber. We don't even have that.

I know how the cap works. The key to making it work is signing a guy for the duration fo the contract at equal or lower value than the base salary you just dumped. Usually a Sam Madison type -- older and experience with a few years left on the wheels.

Not only that if you agree to take the hit for at least the bonus piece -- some teams may find value in Roy. This where the cap messes up lots of teams -- in figuring out how to amortize the bonus against the cap

Its alot easier to find pro bowl talent when your selecting in the top 10 :shock:

[CTCowboysFan]

I want TO gone. I want Zimmer gone. I want the 3-4 gone. I want an O-Line. I want a running game. I want Teddy Ginn!

How much of this will really happen? Probably 75%..

Well lucky for us...looks like Rice's bowl performance might let him declare. I don't care which one it is...but I really like the idea of Ginn/Rice/even Shark if Crayton leaves.

Yes I would love Ginn or Rice. Ginn would be my top choice for sure but Rice would be great also. I don't see anyway though that we let Crayton go.

My main thing is I just hope we switch back to the 4-3. Ware and Ellis at the DE spots would put this defense right back in the top ten, no doubt in my mind. I don't even think the Cowboys have to add a secondary player.

[dpl85]

I thought it was a good idea at the time but now I think changing to the 3-4 was stupid as we don't have the players to run if effectively. Our ILBs are extremely slow and can't cover anyone. The DEs suck and can't pass rush or stop the run effectively or consistently. I'm starting to question the wisdom of locking up Bradie and Roy with huge contracts. I'm starting to think drafting a CB wouldn't be such a bad idea we can't cover anyone except Newman.

[chrlopez1]

I have figured that we are either 21-22-23-24.....can anybody be more specifie or if you have a link?

[Paul]

Oh god CowboysForever is at it agian. Just leave it man, Bradie and Roy are staying, get rid of this obsession of yours. Jesus its really getting old.

[Paul]

I have figured that we are either 21-22-23-24.....can anybody be more specifie or if you have a link?

That's in the Blalock range I think.

[dpl85]

I would love for us to draft Justin Blalock as Kosier and Rivera are extremely average at best.

[DMWSackMachine]

Oh god CowboysForever is at it agian. Just leave it man, Bradie and Roy are staying, get rid of this obsession of yours. Jesus its really getting old.

QFT

****, man.

[DMWSackMachine]

This is the sort of day that makes it hard to be a fan. I have never felt more helpless or lost than I have over the last 4 weeks, watching a previously dominant defense turn into a turnstile. Absolutely, unbelievably, and totally heart-rending.

There's not much to take heart in, and it's easy to point the finger and say "this must go, that must go, he sucks, they need to do this"...but the plain fact here is that we aren't qualified to make that kind of declaration, because we don't know enough of the specifics. All we can really say for sure is that something has to change, or we will never stand a chance to compete. That is the truth, as BP would say.

The problem I have with jack-asses coming on here and starting to put people's heads on the chopping block is that they don't hold any accountablility for their ideas.

Say we did get rid of all those people, and then their replacements sucked, and they went elsewhere and started playing at a Pro Bowl level somewhere else, the person who was advocating such a measure would not be here on the board saying "I'm an idiot, don't ever listen to me again, I was so off on the last one that I shouldn't ever be able to give commentary on this type of thing again". No, they would just move on to the next knee-jerk reaction and stupid rush-to-judgement commentary.

Bradie, Roy, Julius, Spears, Canty, Ayodele, Rivera, Kosier, and others all played at a very high level at some point or another during this season. The thing that needs to be determined is what were the prevailing factors in the times when they performed well, and what were they in the times when they performed badly. Next, it needs to be determined if there is a course of action that can be take to assure that they will be put in a favorable enough position to where they can perform at that high of a level on a consistent basis. Only then can it be determined whether or not one or all of them should be gotten rid of.

I know the easy route here is to call for a house-cleaning, to blow the whole thing up and start over, or to axe the people that played the most prominent role in us fallinga apart like this, but that is not the answer. Remember my analogy from the other day, about the 2004 Seattle Seahawks. This is exactly how they looked that year. Unimpressive, uninspired, and ultimately lacking what was needed to compete at a high level. The next year, they come out like gang-busters and dominate the conference. Please, try to be reasonable. And above all, don't p!ss people off by spewing all over the board.

[dpl85]

If we can't beat the Lions we're gonna get crushed by the Seahawks, I'm predicting 68-24. I hope they can prove me wrong though.

The only good thing I can take from today is that the Mavs won in Denver and improved to 24-7. The Mavs are the only team in Dallas that has a chance to win a championship in the next few years.

[Paul]

If we can't beat the Lions we're gonna get crushed by the Seahawks, I'm predicting 68-24. I hope they can prove me wrong though.

The only good thing I can take from today is that the Mavs won in Denver and improved to 24-7. The Mavs are the only team in Dallas that has a chance to win a championship in the next few years.

Aren't the Stars NHL power house? I could be wrong, I haven't watched a full Stars game since the Stanley Cup days.

Did ya'll see Parcells after game conference. I'd swear someone in his family just died, he was tottally out of it. He doesn't seem to have the energy he used to have.

[TheFan0520]

What a game! Another disappointment. Cowboys collapse in December once again. We all know the problems of the team, it's the same stuff every week so there's no point for me to rant about that. I don't like this team's chances against Seattle at all. Holmgren is a great offensive mind, he is going to take it to the defense just like Payton, Reid, and Marinelli/Martz took it to Dallas. Parcells hasn't gotten this team ready for a big game in like a month so I don't think he'll do anything this week either.

On a good note, DeMarcus Ware with 3 sacks today, putting him at 11.5 for the season. First Cowboy in 10 years to get 10+ sacks so props to him. The only problem with Ware right now is that he is just relying on his athleticism to get to the QB now. He definitely needs to work on his pass rushing moves but he's still young and there's no doubt that he'll get it soon as he gets older.

[jetBLACK08]

My RANTS///////

IF anyone is going to leave its going to be Zimmer.

I honestly don't think that Parcells is going to win a Superbowl.

WE need a coach with more energy and enthusiam instead of the SHOWME speech.

Terrell Owens will STAY

Our PLay calling is too conservative

Julius Jones needs to go to a vision doctor. The guy is one hit down.

Bradie James is staying. He played with a passion and had some great stops.

Akin Ayodele is REALLY SOLID

Demarcus Ware reached a NEW LEVEL

Roy Williams has lost his confidence

Zimmer is stupid

Miles Austin + Tyson Thomson = Best KR duo

Jason Ferguson is our unsung HERO

Putting a 5-9 CB against a 6-2 WR in the RedZONE is not GENIUS

Bobby Carpenter is NOT a bust

Hatcher is performing very WELL. He is going to be really good.

Spears was very quiet.

Zimmer can't COACH 3-4

Canty stepped up.

Crayton is MORE physical than I thought.

We can't blitz

Our O-Line cant get a decent push.

Romo takes too much on HIS shoulders.

Watkins has POTENTIAL.

I want to see more of PARRISH

WE have no SWAGGER

WE need new Coordinators.

If Parcells doesn't PERFORM in the Playoffs, He is out.

WE GRAVELY NEED IT

[Gribble]

A lot of us are in agreement about these things.

-Zimmer out.
-We need the TOP advantage to win games.
-T.O. is gone.
-Coverage and matchups are getting mixed up (Example: Newman on Roy Williams, Henry on Mike Furrey, Aaron Glenn in goal line situation against Roy Williams).
-Julius Jones is trade bait.

[DancingMonkey]

Dang, the past 4 pages are depressing here, guys.

I didn't get the chance to watch the game (nor have I seen highlights yet,) but just reading through cowboysforever's bs for several pages has me wanting to just avoid the site through the Playoffs. :P

Bradie James and the ILBs aren't fast, but everything I've read here talks about how the ILB's are responsible for stopping the Run and don't necessarily require great speed.

Roy may indeed be a liability in coverage, but since we worked past that his first season+ when we actually had Woody (as in Woodson, not Dantzler) back there with him I'm still going to have hope that we can find the complimentary player to reach that point again. It may never happen while he's still in his prime, but such is the NFL is it not?

I just can't believe we went from 6-5 to 9-5 on such a great tear just to drop 2 in a row, and look so pathetic.

[Gribble]

4-5 Game with Seahawks, if we win then we go to Chicago to play the Bears.

[Paul]

Well since everyone else is ranting:

When the Furrey become Jerry Rice. That kid was killing us.

Watkins did make a great play on that interception, but he had 2 other cowboys around him, and it was bad choice by Kitna.

Romo held the ball to long, either that or the receivers didn't get open.

I have to disagree with DMW but I don't remember Rivera ever having a good game this season.

Zimmer....blah.

How the hell do we blitz and no one gets through for pressure?!?

I want T.O. gone, I don't care if he gets 5 tds on Sat.

Ware, Hatcher, Fergie and yes even Coleman are studs.

Watkins deserves another year to prove himself. But still bring in competition.

I want Blalock, Bowe, and Man Rameriez.

[jetBLACK08]

Becoming the 5th Seed, may be a blessing in desguise.

[Modano]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

[jetBLACK08]

He needs to stop playing Madden.

[Paul]

Do we have any more or any less then the normal 7 Picks this draft? Did we trade any away, or did we get any through trades. Anything?

[cowboyz]

ya know i thought TO had a small chance of coming back, but when TO dropped that first slant pass and the crowd booed him, there's no way. he needs attention and affection and he's not getting it in big d. he even made a great one handed catch on a short crossing pattern, and not even a cheer. it's like randy galloway is in the stands everywhere. disappointing, because i think he helped the offense a lot. 2 1000 yd wrs and a 1000 yd rb.

with more time in the 3-4, maybe a better coach hopefully they get better and cut down on the mistakes and allow for more exotic things. nice to see carpenter playing well. just needs to get stronger in the offseason. imagine carpenter playing great, and having ellis in for a pass rush. then they draft a FS. this defense could really become dominant as it was hoped. then get another G for rivera, and suddenly the run game works. magic :lol:

next week's game should be fun. seahawks missing their cbs, dallas having no pass defense. a nice high scoring playoff game. dallas def seems to have had good success stopping alexander. i think roy williams can intimidate stevens. but the trio of wrs worries me. they're all fast guys and anthony henry will get torched.

[Gribble]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

C'mon man. Just ignore what he says.

[Gribble]

ya know i thought TO had a small chance of coming back, but when TO dropped that first slant pass and the crowd booed him, there's no way. he needs attention and affection and he's not getting it in big d. he even made a great one handed catch on a short crossing pattern, and not even a cheer. it's like randy galloway is in the stands everywhere. disappointing, because i think he helped the offense a lot. 2 1000 yd wrs and a 1000 yd rb.

with more time in the 3-4, maybe a better coach hopefully they get better and cut down on the mistakes and allow for more exotic things. nice to see carpenter playing well. just needs to get stronger in the offseason. imagine carpenter playing great, and having ellis in for a pass rush. then they draft a FS. this defense could really become dominant as it was hoped. then get another G for rivera, and suddenly the run game works. magic :lol:

next week's game should be fun. seahawks missing their cbs, dallas having no pass defense. a nice high scoring playoff game. dallas def seems to have had good success stopping alexander. i think roy williams can intimidate stevens. but the trio of wrs worries me. they're all fast guys and anthony henry will get torched.

I like this matchup. It has shootout written all over it and this is probably our best chance to win in the playoffs, unless we get the Bears and Grossman plays horrible.

[jetBLACK08]

ya know i thought TO had a small chance of coming back, but when TO dropped that first slant pass and the crowd booed him, there's no way. he needs attention and affection and he's not getting it in big d. he even made a great one handed catch on a short crossing pattern, and not even a cheer. it's like randy galloway is in the stands everywhere. disappointing, because i think he helped the offense a lot. 2 1000 yd wrs and a 1000 yd rb.

with more time in the 3-4, maybe a better coach hopefully they get better and cut down on the mistakes and allow for more exotic things. nice to see carpenter playing well. just needs to get stronger in the offseason. imagine carpenter playing great, and having ellis in for a pass rush. then they draft a FS. this defense could really become dominant as it was hoped. then get another G for rivera, and suddenly the run game works. magic :lol:

next week's game should be fun. seahawks missing their cbs, dallas having no pass defense. a nice high scoring playoff game. dallas def seems to have had good success stopping alexander. i think roy williams can intimidate stevens. but the trio of wrs worries me. they're all fast guys and anthony henry will get torched.

I like this matchup. It has shootout written all over it and this is probably our best chance to win in the playoffs, unless we get the Bears and Grossman plays horrible.

Doubt it. I see our defense rebounding in the post season. Its CRUNCH time.

[$KidCowboy$]

I was thinking about posting yesterday but I was too depressed. Now that I'm semi-over the loss (it didn't even matter really) I'm gonna try to stay positive. I think that we match up really well against the Seahawks and to tell you the truth I'd rather play them than the Giants.
Breakdown of the Game:
-We're on the road, even though it is in Seattle, we suck at home. Our O-line has been pretty disciplined this season.

-Their DBacks vs. our recievers. Their secondary is banged up and can't cover well when they're healthy. I doubt that they can stop all our weapons. If Romo can go back to playing mistake free and not forcing the ball, he should have a field day.

-I really can't give any positives about our running game. I can't predict anything. It is that bad right now. That said, Barber played without JJ last year against Seattle and got 95 yards, averaging 4.3 YPC. That probably means nothing right now, but hey, just throwing it out there.

-We are physical and usually good against the run. I think we can take Alexander out of the game and make Hasselbeck beat us. I'm hoping that Zimmer can make some adjustments so we can actually stop the pass.

-Their O-Line is much worse than last years. They are averaging 4.0 YPC this year, down from 4.7 last year. We SHUT DOWN Alexander last year, holding him to 2.9 YPC, even though we lost.

-Seattle has allowed the third highest yards per Kickoff return in the NFC.
The way Austin has been running, when he can hold on to the ball, I can see us getting good field position off kickoffs all day.

-Seattle has been sacked the second most times in the NFC. This SHOULD mean that we could get some pressure on the QB, but even though we did get a bunch of sacks on Kitna, towards the end of the game we couldn't come close to him. I'm hoping that we can consistently get pressure on Hasselbeck.

-Seattle has the third most giveaways in the NFC. Hopefully we can come away with some. And hopefully Romo doesn't pull a Bledsoe repeat of last year and give them any gamechangers.

-Even though our record does not indicate it, I think basically everyone here would agree that we are better this year than last year. Last year Bledsoe GAVE THEM the game. We outplayed them and were in a position to either win or force overtime. Remember, that game was IN SEATTLE. Their team is WORSE than last years, in almost every aspect. Ours WAS better a couple of weeks ago. We NEED to revert back to midseason, mid "romomentum" form. If we can do that, a victory should be relatively easy to come by.

[cowboysforever]

Dang, the past 4 pages are depressing here, guys.

I didn't get the chance to watch the game (nor have I seen highlights yet,) but just reading through cowboysforever's bs for several pages has me wanting to just avoid the site through the Playoffs. :P

Bradie James and the ILBs aren't fast, but everything I've read here talks about how the ILB's are responsible for stopping the Run and don't necessarily require great speed.

Roy may indeed be a liability in coverage, but since we worked past that his first season+ when we actually had Woody (as in Woodson, not Dantzler) back there with him I'm still going to have hope that we can find the complimentary player to reach that point again. It may never happen while he's still in his prime, but such is the NFL is it not?

I just can't believe we went from 6-5 to 9-5 on such a great tear just to drop 2 in a row, and look so pathetic.

ILBs in the 3-4 are VER VERY responsible for the pass coverage. The fool who says otherwsie is just that.

Look at San Diego for Primer on running 3-4 correctly. ILB's are 30 lbs lighter than the OLB, quicker and faster. Pittsburgh too.

[cowboysforever]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

Yeah, I guess Terence Newman was referring to Fergie getting abused? Maybe Ware?

Who the F do you think he was talking about??

Talking sense here makes no sense. You guys love the players and blame everything on the coaches.

[chrlopez1]

I am not a big poster, but read most of them.

1st thing...... I think we are either going to pay very good against Seattle and win or get our A....wuped..................

Here are 8 players who will might have a shot at.....Who would be best and who might not be avaible.. Opinions..please

Reggie Nielson....S ...I think Davis is out.....
Landry......S....People wanted him last year if he would have come back
Lynch..RB... a reach...but maybe j.jones traded for a 3....JJ...hasn't shown much....
Jarrett...WR...wide card..I like him, but would we go WR in round 1...if they release TO..it is possible
Griffith....S Could he tamdem with Williams?
Tyle...DT....Solid..but not spectular position....???
Brown or Blalock.............OL help.....

Anybody now our Salary Cap forcast for next year....any site were all players salaries are shown and cap relief if we cut

[cowboysforever]

Excellent article by Dave Moore in the DMN on what is wrong with the Cowboys D from an XOXO perspective.

He has player quotes which goes to some the points I am making about both D coaching and speed level in the middle of the field.

[cowboysforever]

I am not a big poster, but read most of them.

1st thing...... I think we are either going to pay very good against Seattle and win or get our A....wuped..................

Here are 8 players who will might have a shot at.....Who would be best and who might not be avaible.. Opinions..please

Reggie Nielson....S ...I think Davis is out.....
Landry......S....People wanted him last year if he would have come back
Lynch..RB... a reach...but maybe j.jones traded for a 3....JJ...hasn't shown much....
Jarrett...WR...wide card..I like him, but would we go WR in round 1...if they release TO..it is possible
Griffith....S Could he tamdem with Williams?
Tyle...DT....Solid..but not spectular position....???
Brown or Blalock.............OL help.....

Anybody now our Salary Cap forcast for next year....any site were all players salaries are shown and cap relief if we cut

To the folks who keep chirping about spending two draft choices on two guards in 1 and 2 (Blalock and Ramirez) -- I would like to point out that bashing me about contracts and "what we can't do" I would like to point out there is no position on the field the Cowboys have OVER SPENT MORE ON than Guard.

So you say can't trade/cut Bradie but you are going to invest more on Guards (Kosier, RIvera, Blalock, Ramirez, Proctor) then on the entire Offense minus TO.

Nice. Practical. Where are the board geniuses now?

[cowboysforever]

I am not a big poster, but read most of them.

1st thing...... I think we are either going to pay very good against Seattle and win or get our A....wuped..................

Here are 8 players who will might have a shot at.....Who would be best and who might not be avaible.. Opinions..please

Reggie Nielson....S ...I think Davis is out.....
Landry......S....People wanted him last year if he would have come back
Lynch..RB... a reach...but maybe j.jones traded for a 3....JJ...hasn't shown much....
Jarrett...WR...wide card..I like him, but would we go WR in round 1...if they release TO..it is possible
Griffith....S Could he tamdem with Williams?
Tyle...DT....Solid..but not spectular position....???
Brown or Blalock.............OL help.....

Anybody now our Salary Cap forcast for next year....any site were all players salaries are shown and cap relief if we cut

Depending on the Juniors, almost all of those guys will be round late 1 to 2. So, practical list.

[cowboysforever]

This is the sort of day that makes it hard to be a fan. I have never felt more helpless or lost than I have over the last 4 weeks, watching a previously dominant defense turn into a turnstile. Absolutely, unbelievably, and totally heart-rending.

There's not much to take heart in, and it's easy to point the finger and say "this must go, that must go, he sucks, they need to do this"...but the plain fact here is that we aren't qualified to make that kind of declaration, because we don't know enough of the specifics. All we can really say for sure is that something has to change, or we will never stand a chance to compete. That is the truth, as BP would say.

The problem I have with jack-asses coming on here and starting to put people's heads on the chopping block is that they don't hold any accountablility for their ideas.

Say we did get rid of all those people, and then their replacements sucked, and they went elsewhere and started playing at a Pro Bowl level somewhere else, the person who was advocating such a measure would not be here on the board saying "I'm an idiot, don't ever listen to me again, I was so off on the last one that I shouldn't ever be able to give commentary on this type of thing again". No, they would just move on to the next knee-jerk reaction and stupid rush-to-judgement commentary.

Bradie, Roy, Julius, Spears, Canty, Ayodele, Rivera, Kosier, and others all played at a very high level at some point or another during this season. The thing that needs to be determined is what were the prevailing factors in the times when they performed well, and what were they in the times when they performed badly. Next, it needs to be determined if there is a course of action that can be take to assure that they will be put in a favorable enough position to where they can perform at that high of a level on a consistent basis. Only then can it be determined whether or not one or all of them should be gotten rid of.

I know the easy route here is to call for a house-cleaning, to blow the whole thing up and start over, or to axe the people that played the most prominent role in us fallinga apart like this, but that is not the answer. Remember my analogy from the other day, about the 2004 Seattle Seahawks. This is exactly how they looked that year. Unimpressive, uninspired, and ultimately lacking what was needed to compete at a high level. The next year, they come out like gang-busters and dominate the conference. Please, try to be reasonable. And above all, don't p!ss people off by spewing all over the board.

Seattle played over its head in 2005 and this season is proof enuff. So did Pitt. Also, let us also not forget the miracle wins Seattle had in 2005 which gave them home field. They beat the Giants and Dallas on pure luck and good kicker.

[chrlopez1]

Hey,

I am a realist too.....so tell me what u think...maybe i miss it before.

[JJJ888]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

Yeah, I guess Terence Newman was referring to Fergie getting abused? Maybe Ware?

Who the F do you think he was talking about??

Talking sense here makes no sense. You guys love the players and blame everything on the coaches.

If other teams pick you apart one week (let's just say for example against the Saints) and you come out and run pretty much the same scheme the next week and the same things happen (zone getting picked apart 2 weeks in a row) then there is something wrong with the coaches, not the players. The coaches need to do something to correct that.

And I'm tired of seeing Bill Parcells give up and not try to get the team to bond together and pick up the intensity.

We all know what our players' weaknesses are: Roy struggles in coverage, Henry's confidence is low, Watkins is inexperienced and has a tendency to give up the deep ball...that's just in the secondary. If I know that, the coaches should too, and do something to change that. The players are going to have trouble changing that week to week.

[cowboysforever]

This is the sort of day that makes it hard to be a fan. I have never felt more helpless or lost than I have over the last 4 weeks, watching a previously dominant defense turn into a turnstile. Absolutely, unbelievably, and totally heart-rending.

There's not much to take heart in, and it's easy to point the finger and say "this must go, that must go, he sucks, they need to do this"...but the plain fact here is that we aren't qualified to make that kind of declaration, because we don't know enough of the specifics. All we can really say for sure is that something has to change, or we will never stand a chance to compete. That is the truth, as BP would say.

The problem I have with jack-asses coming on here and starting to put people's heads on the chopping block is that they don't hold any accountablility for their ideas.

Say we did get rid of all those people, and then their replacements sucked, and they went elsewhere and started playing at a Pro Bowl level somewhere else, the person who was advocating such a measure would not be here on the board saying "I'm an idiot, don't ever listen to me again, I was so off on the last one that I shouldn't ever be able to give commentary on this type of thing again". No, they would just move on to the next knee-jerk reaction and stupid rush-to-judgement commentary.

Bradie, Roy, Julius, Spears, Canty, Ayodele, Rivera, Kosier, and others all played at a very high level at some point or another during this season. The thing that needs to be determined is what were the prevailing factors in the times when they performed well, and what were they in the times when they performed badly. Next, it needs to be determined if there is a course of action that can be take to assure that they will be put in a favorable enough position to where they can perform at that high of a level on a consistent basis. Only then can it be determined whether or not one or all of them should be gotten rid of.

I know the easy route here is to call for a house-cleaning, to blow the whole thing up and start over, or to axe the people that played the most prominent role in us fallinga apart like this, but that is not the answer. Remember my analogy from the other day, about the 2004 Seattle Seahawks. This is exactly how they looked that year. Unimpressive, uninspired, and ultimately lacking what was needed to compete at a high level. The next year, they come out like gang-busters and dominate the conference. Please, try to be reasonable. And above all, don't p!ss people off by spewing all over the board.

Seattle played over its head in 2005 and this season is proof enuff. So did Pitt. Also, let us also not forget the miracle wins Seattle had in 2005 which gave them home field. They beat the Giants and Dallas on pure luck and good kicker.

ALSO DMW, sometimes you gotta trade a player somewhere in spite of their promise for lots of reasons, scheme, position back log, bad chemistry with coaches.......

Need I say Jimmy Smith? Antonio Bryant? We have Julius and Burnett on our roster. Both are talented and could be stars but elsewhere with new coaches.

Burnett is underutilized in the 3-4 and Julius needs to run behind a power line.

Put Burnett in New York GMen and Julius in Jacksonville and I gaurantee near pro bowl seasons.

Put Burnett in New England and Julius in Denver and they fail.

[cowboysforever]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

Yeah, I guess Terence Newman was referring to Fergie getting abused? Maybe Ware?

Who the F do you think he was talking about??

Talking sense here makes no sense. You guys love the players and blame everything on the coaches.

If other teams pick you apart one week (let's just say for example against the Saints) and you come out and run pretty much the same scheme the next week and the same things happen (zone getting picked apart 2 weeks in a row) then there is something wrong with the coaches, not the players. The coaches need to do something to correct that.

And I'm tired of seeing Bill Parcells give up and not try to get the team to bond together and pick up the intensity.

We all know what our players' weaknesses are: Roy struggles in coverage, Henry's confidence is low, Watkins is inexperienced and has a tendency to give up the deep ball...that's just in the secondary. If I know that, the coaches should too, and do something to change that. The players are going to have trouble changing that week to week.

Read Moore's article on the DMN. Excellent. Gives you all the data to make your own conclusion. Plenty of reasons for the break downs including coaching.

[Staubach12]

I say Zimmer out, and TO out. We sign Ken Hamlin and Derrick Dockery in Free Agency. Trade up for Jarrett (1st and JJ for a higher 1st). Craig Davis in the 2nd. Crosby in the 3rd.

[JJJ888]

Excellent article by Dave Moore in the DMN on what is wrong with the Cowboys D from an XOXO perspective.

He has player quotes which goes to some the points I am making about both D coaching and speed level in the middle of the field.

Agreed...as he points out, the coaches have to make more adjustments to the defensive scheme so that opponents don't know exactly what's going to happen on every play.

[cowboysforever]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

Yeah, I guess Terence Newman was referring to Fergie getting abused? Maybe Ware?

Who the F do you think he was talking about??

Talking sense here makes no sense. You guys love the players and blame everything on the coaches.

If other teams pick you apart one week (let's just say for example against the Saints) and you come out and run pretty much the same scheme the next week and the same things happen (zone getting picked apart 2 weeks in a row) then there is something wrong with the coaches, not the players. The coaches need to do something to correct that.

And I'm tired of seeing Bill Parcells give up and not try to get the team to bond together and pick up the intensity.

We all know what our players' weaknesses are: Roy struggles in coverage, Henry's confidence is low, Watkins is inexperienced and has a tendency to give up the deep ball...that's just in the secondary. If I know that, the coaches should too, and do something to change that. The players are going to have trouble changing that week to week.

Fact is you, me and everybody else thought this D was lots better than we thought.

My read is the players and coaching staff are very dissapointed. No one likes to be humiliated in public.

With that said, the only thing I am 100% sure of is that QB pressure solves 95% of the problems we are seeing.

So, we need to solve that and to do that you need to go FA and Draft for an edge rusher. You also need to focus all offseason DL development on pass rushing skills.

Jimmy Johnson frequently says "passing game scores points and running games controls clock." By this, I interprest a pass rush and pass coverage is fundamentally more important than stopping the run if you want to be in most the games you play.

If we had SD's pass rush we could get away with almost all of weaknesses in the coverage game. Including Bradie and Roy so .....

But if rushing the passer was so easy -- everyone could do it.

[cowboysforever]

Excellent article by Dave Moore in the DMN on what is wrong with the Cowboys D from an XOXO perspective.

He has player quotes which goes to some the points I am making about both D coaching and speed level in the middle of the field.

Agreed...as he points out, the coaches have to make more adjustments to the defensive scheme so that opponents don't know exactly what's going to happen on every play.

But the player comments also point out the fact they leave way too much space in the middle of the field, don't move players through the zone coverage well when crossing the field, tend to bite of play fakes and don't have the foot speed to make up for it.

This is the players faults as much as coaching.

Evidence the Furrey 1st Down in the first Quarter on Third Down when Bradie James had under neath coverage and on a cross pattern he failed to pickup Furrey coming from the slot into the middle of the field.

In fact Bradie went in the oppositte direction towards the flat where the ILB or Corner had responsibility. Funny waching how badly out of place he was -- I thought he broke his ankles once he saw the ball going to Furrey.

Same problem happened on the Kitna run. Bradie failed to be where he needed to be in the Zone and did not have the foot speed to cut off the angle for Kitna.

[JJJ888]

This is the sort of day that makes it hard to be a fan. I have never felt more helpless or lost than I have over the last 4 weeks, watching a previously dominant defense turn into a turnstile. Absolutely, unbelievably, and totally heart-rending.

There's not much to take heart in, and it's easy to point the finger and say "this must go, that must go, he sucks, they need to do this"...but the plain fact here is that we aren't qualified to make that kind of declaration, because we don't know enough of the specifics. All we can really say for sure is that something has to change, or we will never stand a chance to compete. That is the truth, as BP would say.

The problem I have with jack-asses coming on here and starting to put people's heads on the chopping block is that they don't hold any accountablility for their ideas.

Say we did get rid of all those people, and then their replacements sucked, and they went elsewhere and started playing at a Pro Bowl level somewhere else, the person who was advocating such a measure would not be here on the board saying "I'm an idiot, don't ever listen to me again, I was so off on the last one that I shouldn't ever be able to give commentary on this type of thing again". No, they would just move on to the next knee-jerk reaction and stupid rush-to-judgement commentary.

Bradie, Roy, Julius, Spears, Canty, Ayodele, Rivera, Kosier, and others all played at a very high level at some point or another during this season. The thing that needs to be determined is what were the prevailing factors in the times when they performed well, and what were they in the times when they performed badly. Next, it needs to be determined if there is a course of action that can be take to assure that they will be put in a favorable enough position to where they can perform at that high of a level on a consistent basis. Only then can it be determined whether or not one or all of them should be gotten rid of.

I know the easy route here is to call for a house-cleaning, to blow the whole thing up and start over, or to axe the people that played the most prominent role in us fallinga apart like this, but that is not the answer. Remember my analogy from the other day, about the 2004 Seattle Seahawks. This is exactly how they looked that year. Unimpressive, uninspired, and ultimately lacking what was needed to compete at a high level. The next year, they come out like gang-busters and dominate the conference. Please, try to be reasonable. And above all, don't p!ss people off by spewing all over the board.

Seattle played over its head in 2005 and this season is proof enuff. So did Pitt. Also, let us also not forget the miracle wins Seattle had in 2005 which gave them home field. They beat the Giants and Dallas on pure luck and good kicker.

ALSO DMW, sometimes you gotta trade a player somewhere in spite of their promise for lots of reasons, scheme, position back log, bad chemistry with coaches.......

Need I say Jimmy Smith? Antonio Bryant? We have Julius and Burnett on our roster. Both are talented and could be stars but elsewhere with new coaches.

Burnett is underutilized in the 3-4 and Julius needs to run behind a power line.

Put Burnett in New York GMen and Julius in Jacksonville and I gaurantee near pro bowl seasons.

Put Burnett in New England and Julius in Denver and they fail.

I don't think you can afford to go with just Marion in the backfield. He may have been good at times this season, but that was mainly when defenses were worn down or not expecting run. That being said, he's a great goalline and change of pace back. Julius has shown great potential this season. He needs to finish runs and develop his vision a little bit. Another factor, in my mind, is that he may be afraid to make mistakes with Bill as a coach...so he doesn't feel like he has the freedom to improvise.

And if you want to talk about power offensive lines, why not pick up a mauler like Blalock in the draft?

[JJJ888]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

Yeah, I guess Terence Newman was referring to Fergie getting abused? Maybe Ware?

Who the F do you think he was talking about??

Talking sense here makes no sense. You guys love the players and blame everything on the coaches.

If other teams pick you apart one week (let's just say for example against the Saints) and you come out and run pretty much the same scheme the next week and the same things happen (zone getting picked apart 2 weeks in a row) then there is something wrong with the coaches, not the players. The coaches need to do something to correct that.

And I'm tired of seeing Bill Parcells give up and not try to get the team to bond together and pick up the intensity.

We all know what our players' weaknesses are: Roy struggles in coverage, Henry's confidence is low, Watkins is inexperienced and has a tendency to give up the deep ball...that's just in the secondary. If I know that, the coaches should too, and do something to change that. The players are going to have trouble changing that week to week.

Fact is you, me and everybody else thought this D was lots better than we thought.

My read is the players and coaching staff are very dissapointed. No one likes to be humiliated in public.

With that said, the only thing I am 100% sure of is that QB pressure solves 95% of the problems we are seeing.

So, we need to solve that and to do that you need to go FA and Draft for an edge rusher. You also need to focus all offseason DL development on pass rushing skills.

Jimmy Johnson frequently says "passing game scores points and running games controls clock." By this, I interprest a pass rush and pass coverage is fundamentally more important than stopping the run if you want to be in most the games you play.

If we had SD's pass rush we could get away with almost all of weaknesses in the coverage game. Including Bradie and Roy so .....

But if rushing the passer was so easy -- everyone could do it.

I think that we already have that other outside rusher...his name is Greg Ellis. Let us all pray that he can come back and be the same guy who we really need.

[cowboysforever]

I say Zimmer out, and TO out. We sign Ken Hamlin and Derrick Dockery in Free Agency. Trade up for Jarrett (1st and JJ for a higher 1st). Craig Davis in the 2nd. Crosby in the 3rd.

In my heart, I truly believe Watkins or Henry can play with skill the FS position. Leave Hamlin for elsewhere and don't spend on medicore talent.

Dockery? We need a RG not a LG. Aint Dockery a LG?

[cowboysforever]

This board was the best place to talk about the Cowboys since a couple of weeks ago.. Now every pages there are 5-6 post of cowboysforever" saying eveytime the same borig things..
It's not Braide James that sucks, right now is this board that sucks...

Yeah, I guess Terence Newman was referring to Fergie getting abused? Maybe Ware?

Who the F do you think he was talking about??

Talking sense here makes no sense. You guys love the players and blame everything on the coaches.

If other teams pick you apart one week (let's just say for example against the Saints) and you come out and run pretty much the same scheme the next week and the same things happen (zone getting picked apart 2 weeks in a row) then there is something wrong with the coaches, not the players. The coaches need to do something to correct that.

And I'm tired of seeing Bill Parcells give up and not try to get the team to bond together and pick up the intensity.

We all know what our players' weaknesses are: Roy struggles in coverage, Henry's confidence is low, Watkins is inexperienced and has a tendency to give up the deep ball...that's just in the secondary. If I know that, the coaches should too, and do something to change that. The players are going to have trouble changing that week to week.

Fact is you, me and everybody else thought this D was lots better than we thought.

My read is the players and coaching staff are very dissapointed. No one likes to be humiliated in public.

With that said, the only thing I am 100% sure of is that QB pressure solves 95% of the problems we are seeing.

So, we need to solve that and to do that you need to go FA and Draft for an edge rusher. You also need to focus all offseason DL development on pass rushing skills.

Jimmy Johnson frequently says "passing game scores points and running games controls clock." By this, I interprest a pass rush and pass coverage is fundamentally more important than stopping the run if you want to be in most the games you play.

If we had SD's pass rush we could get away with almost all of weaknesses in the coverage game. Including Bradie and Roy so .....

But if rushing the passer was so easy -- everyone could do it.

I think that we already have that other outside rusher...his name is Greg Ellis. Let us all pray that he can come back and be the same guy who we really need.

Even with Greg our pass rush was mediocre. Have we forgotten already?

Not only that, Greg can only be expceted play effectively 15-20 snaps next year. He has a serious injury to his wheels.

[JJJ888]

Excellent article by Dave Moore in the DMN on what is wrong with the Cowboys D from an XOXO perspective.

He has player quotes which goes to some the points I am making about both D coaching and speed level in the middle of the field.

Agreed...as he points out, the coaches have to make more adjustments to the defensive scheme so that opponents don't know exactly what's going to happen on every play.

But the player comments also point out the fact they leave way too much space in the middle of the field, don't move players through the zone coverage well when crossing the field, tend to bite of play fakes and don't have the foot speed to make up for it.

This is the players faults as much as coaching.

Evidence the Furrey 1st Down in the first Quarter on Third Down when Bradie James had under neath coverage and on a cross pattern he failed to pickup Furrey coming from the slot into the middle of the field.

In fact Bradie went in the oppositte direction towards the flat where the ILB or Corner had responsibility. Funny waching how badly out of place he was -- I thought he broke his ankles once he saw the ball going to Furrey.

Same problem happened on the Kitna run. Bradie failed to be where he needed to be in the Zone and did not have the foot speed to cut off the angle for Kitna.

I can't comment on those because I didn't see the game...but Bradie's not our best coverage player either...that's why you still need Burnett.

[Staubach12]

I say Zimmer out, and TO out. We sign Ken Hamlin and Derrick Dockery in Free Agency. Trade up for Jarrett (1st and JJ for a higher 1st). Craig Davis in the 2nd. Crosby in the 3rd.

In my heart, I truly believe Watkins or Henry can play with skill the FS position. Leave Hamlin for elsewhere and don't spend on medicore talent.

Dockery? We need a RG not a LG. Aint Dockery a LG?

Dockery is a LG but I think he can make the transition. It wouldn't be a huge problem. You need to give it up, Henry will never, never be a FS. OK? It won't happen. He's our #2 CB, and that's it. He's not a FS. As far as Hamlin, he's good, and he's a very good compliment to Roy. We would have one of the best safety tandems in the league.

[chrlopez1]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

[thule]

I am not a big poster, but read most of them.

1st thing...... I think we are either going to pay very good against Seattle and win or get our A....wuped..................

Here are 8 players who will might have a shot at.....Who would be best and who might not be avaible.. Opinions..please

Reggie Nielson....S ...I think Davis is out.....
Landry......S....People wanted him last year if he would have come back
Lynch..RB... a reach...but maybe j.jones traded for a 3....JJ...hasn't shown much....
Jarrett...WR...wide card..I like him, but would we go WR in round 1...if they release TO..it is possible
Griffith....S Could he tamdem with Williams?
Tyle...DT....Solid..but not spectular position....???
Brown or Blalock.............OL help.....

Anybody now our Salary Cap forcast for next year....any site were all players salaries are shown and cap relief if we cut

Depending on the Juniors, almost all of those guys will be round late 1 to 2. So, practical list.

Sometimes I don't know about you cowboysforever...you honestly think those guys are late first-second rounders :shock:

Nelson 14-30
Landry top 15
Lynch top 15
Jarrett top 20
Griffith 20-32
Tyler 22-40
Brown 20-40
Blalock 15-32

We have no shot at Landry or Lynch. We are doubtful to have a chance at Nelson. Jarrett would be very lucky to fall to us...would have to run bad.

[JJJ888]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

[thule]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

FA WR corps is bare this year. There isn't one guy out there I like...even as a number 2 guy.

I agree with you it has to be a WR with #1 potential...aka Ginn Jarrett Rice.

The more I think about it the more I think we could see Crayton moved. He is a RFA this year...I wonder if anyone would bite.

My random note for the day. Darren Sharper apparently isn't sure if he will be in MN next year.

I don't know how many of you were around...but he was my main target for FS and he has played great....and is a very good ball hawk. If for some reason he is cut (signed through 2008) he is our solution to the problem. Lets remember he signed right away with MN because that is where he wanted to go...we never even got a shot at him...this time I have a feeling his options are more open. He could be great for Watkins to develop and contribute to our team.

[cowboysforever]

I say Zimmer out, and TO out. We sign Ken Hamlin and Derrick Dockery in Free Agency. Trade up for Jarrett (1st and JJ for a higher 1st). Craig Davis in the 2nd. Crosby in the 3rd.

In my heart, I truly believe Watkins or Henry can play with skill the FS position. Leave Hamlin for elsewhere and don't spend on medicore talent.

Dockery? We need a RG not a LG. Aint Dockery a LG?

Dockery is a LG but I think he can make the transition. It wouldn't be a huge problem. You need to give it up, Henry will never, never be a FS. OK? It won't happen. He's our #2 CB, and that's it. He's not a FS. As far as Hamlin, he's good, and he's a very good compliment to Roy. We would have one of the best safety tandems in the league.

If I had to spend money on Hamlin or keep Watkins and solve other problems --- I would solve other problems. JMHO.

[cowboysforever]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

Good question. Tell me just 1 position we get in FA and I give you the answer.

To me, OG and OT can be solved round 2.
To me, backup QB and NT can be solved around 3-4.
To me, Austin is ready next year. If Colston why not Austin.
To me, Kicker after round 5.
To me, after 4 go best athlete.

So, I say either CB or WR or rushing OLB. I provided a mock earlier.

[cowboysforever]

I am not a big poster, but read most of them.

1st thing...... I think we are either going to pay very good against Seattle and win or get our A....wuped..................

Here are 8 players who will might have a shot at.....Who would be best and who might not be avaible.. Opinions..please

Reggie Nielson....S ...I think Davis is out.....
Landry......S....People wanted him last year if he would have come back
Lynch..RB... a reach...but maybe j.jones traded for a 3....JJ...hasn't shown much....
Jarrett...WR...wide card..I like him, but would we go WR in round 1...if they release TO..it is possible
Griffith....S Could he tamdem with Williams?
Tyle...DT....Solid..but not spectular position....???
Brown or Blalock.............OL help.....

Anybody now our Salary Cap forcast for next year....any site were all players salaries are shown and cap relief if we cut

Depending on the Juniors, almost all of those guys will be round late 1 to 2. So, practical list.

Sometimes I don't know about you cowboysforever...you honestly think those guys are late first-second rounders :shock:

Nelson 14-30
Landry top 15
Lynch top 15
Jarrett top 20
Griffith 20-32
Tyler 22-40
Brown 20-40
Blalock 15-32

We have no shot at Landry or Lynch. We are doubtful to have a chance at Nelson. Jarrett would be very lucky to fall to us...would have to run bad.

Uh, Thule -- I said late 1 to 2. You don't know how the juniors are going to alter this draft. Thule, I sometimes don't know about you either.

And if you read your own debatable list -- 5 of the players you "mock" are averaging after 20.

So you are essentially agreeing with while being disagreable.

[cowboysforever]

I say Zimmer out, and TO out. We sign Ken Hamlin and Derrick Dockery in Free Agency. Trade up for Jarrett (1st and JJ for a higher 1st). Craig Davis in the 2nd. Crosby in the 3rd.

In my heart, I truly believe Watkins or Henry can play with skill the FS position. Leave Hamlin for elsewhere and don't spend on medicore talent.

Dockery? We need a RG not a LG. Aint Dockery a LG?

Dockery is a LG but I think he can make the transition. It wouldn't be a huge problem. You need to give it up, Henry will never, never be a FS. OK? It won't happen. He's our #2 CB, and that's it. He's not a FS. As far as Hamlin, he's good, and he's a very good compliment to Roy. We would have one of the best safety tandems in the league.

You guys bash me but you are projecting Burnett as an ILB now?

Not that he can't but everyone tells me BP needs 299 lb ILB with 6.2 speed.

[cowboysforever]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

Rice or Jarret will fall. Just depends on what happens in FA and with TO.

[cowboysforever]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

FA WR corps is bare this year. There isn't one guy out there I like...even as a number 2 guy.

I agree with you it has to be a WR with #1 potential...aka Ginn Jarrett Rice.

The more I think about it the more I think we could see Crayton moved. He is a RFA this year...I wonder if anyone would bite.

My random note for the day. Darren Sharper apparently isn't sure if he will be in MN next year.

I don't know how many of you were around...but he was my main target for FS and he has played great....and is a very good ball hawk. If for some reason he is cut (signed through 2008) he is our solution to the problem. Lets remember he signed right away with MN because that is where he wanted to go...we never even got a shot at him...this time I have a feeling his options are more open. He could be great for Watkins to develop and contribute to our team.

I know he signed for big money in MN. But aint he a SS?

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

[Number-94]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

[JJJ888]

I'm kind of going through the same thought process about FS as with WR. Again, my thoughts:

-I do like Watkins potential. I'm not sure if he's ready to start now

-I don't think Keith Davis is starting material. Great special teamer and solid backup, but not starter. Especially at the level we want.

-I don't want to stunt Watkins' growth by starting someone ahead of him.

-Perhaps, similarly to WR, we can sign a veteran to share snaps with Watkins.

-I don't think Roy should be playing in Nickel and Dime packages, at least as a safety...that's where Parrish could come in for the playoffs.

[DHVF]

Hello Trips, how's Siberia?

[JJJ888]

Hello Trips, how's Siberia?

Siberia's much better than Vermont...at least we have snow this year, rather than stinking freezing rain.

[DHVF]

Hello Trips, how's Siberia?

Siberia's much better than Vermont...at least we have snow this year, rather than stinking freezing rain.Yes, slippery roads are rather annoying.

[JJJ888]

Hello Trips, how's Siberia?

Siberia's much better than Vermont...at least we have snow this year, rather than stinking freezing rain.Yes, slippery roads are rather annoying.

I tried to sleep outside last night and was impaled by wind and very very cold freezing rain. And I was on a covered porch covered completely by 2 sleeping bags.

[DHVF]

Hello Trips, how's Siberia?

Siberia's much better than Vermont...at least we have snow this year, rather than stinking freezing rain.Yes, slippery roads are rather annoying.

I tried to sleep outside last night and was impaled by wind and very very cold freezing rain. And I was on a covered porch covered completely by 2 sleeping bags.Sounds like fun, I might have to try it sometime... :cry:

[JJJ888]

Hello Trips, how's Siberia?

Siberia's much better than Vermont...at least we have snow this year, rather than stinking freezing rain.Yes, slippery roads are rather annoying.

I tried to sleep outside last night and was impaled by wind and very very cold freezing rain. And I was on a covered porch covered completely by 2 sleeping bags.Sounds like fun, I might have to try it sometime... :cry:

It would've worked on any other night, but the wind was just blowing the wrong way. Yesterday was a bad day.

[thule]

I am not a big poster, but read most of them.

1st thing...... I think we are either going to pay very good against Seattle and win or get our A....wuped..................

Here are 8 players who will might have a shot at.....Who would be best and who might not be avaible.. Opinions..please

Reggie Nielson....S ...I think Davis is out.....
Landry......S....People wanted him last year if he would have come back
Lynch..RB... a reach...but maybe j.jones traded for a 3....JJ...hasn't shown much....
Jarrett...WR...wide card..I like him, but would we go WR in round 1...if they release TO..it is possible
Griffith....S Could he tamdem with Williams?
Tyle...DT....Solid..but not spectular position....???
Brown or Blalock.............OL help.....

Anybody now our Salary Cap forcast for next year....any site were all players salaries are shown and cap relief if we cut

Depending on the Juniors, almost all of those guys will be round late 1 to 2. So, practical list.

Sometimes I don't know about you cowboysforever...you honestly think those guys are late first-second rounders :shock:

Nelson 14-30
Landry top 15
Lynch top 15
Jarrett top 20
Griffith 20-32
Tyler 22-40
Brown 20-40
Blalock 15-32

We have no shot at Landry or Lynch. We are doubtful to have a chance at Nelson. Jarrett would be very lucky to fall to us...would have to run bad.

Uh, Thule -- I said late 1 to 2. You don't know how the juniors are going to alter this draft. Thule, I sometimes don't know about you either.

And if you read your own debatable list -- 5 of the players you "mock" are averaging after 20.

So you are essentially agreeing with while being disagreable.

Well you say that the Jr. are the ones affecting the draft...but which jr. ar eaffecting it...Baker/Long/Lynch/Jarrett/Nelson

Notice 3 of the 5 names are names of people you are saying are late firsts to second round. Bottom line Jarrett is now probabally a top 15 pick after his dominating performance the past couple of weeks. Nelson likely won't be there when we pick and neither will lynch. But yet you say they are late firsts...I don't buy it.

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

[thule]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

He had a good game...but nothing you wouldn't come to expect. You throw him the ball...he goes up and catches it. He has been doing it all year for the most part. I'm impressed but not surprised...dont' see how CJ makes it into the Dallas Cowboys thread :?

[thule]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Pass rush specialists can be found in the later rounds. Aka Gocong or Mark Anderson.

With a heavy OG FA's i'll be mighty surprised if we don't try to get one. I think we need to atleast bring in one leader type OL this offseason.

[thule]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

FA WR corps is bare this year. There isn't one guy out there I like...even as a number 2 guy.

I agree with you it has to be a WR with #1 potential...aka Ginn Jarrett Rice.

The more I think about it the more I think we could see Crayton moved. He is a RFA this year...I wonder if anyone would bite.

My random note for the day. Darren Sharper apparently isn't sure if he will be in MN next year.

I don't know how many of you were around...but he was my main target for FS and he has played great....and is a very good ball hawk. If for some reason he is cut (signed through 2008) he is our solution to the problem. Lets remember he signed right away with MN because that is where he wanted to go...we never even got a shot at him...this time I have a feeling his options are more open. He could be great for Watkins to develop and contribute to our team.

I know he signed for big money in MN. But aint he a SS?

Do you question Sharpers ability to play FS in the NFL? He is a natural ball hawk with the speed and smarts to play deep middle. Seems like an ideal canidate to me.

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

[cowboysforever]

Funny to see Deion bashing BP on NFL Network yet having Mariucci trash the play of the team in pass coverage.

Ya think Deion is a bit biased?? Lots more to his comments but basically it gets to some of the black ball players thinking BP is a bigot. Which he is not but funny how thin skinned some guys are.

Anyway, Mooch basically said the players are going in all the wrong directions while trying to play Cover-2. He said it looked like someone make a coverage error on each passing down.

[thule]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

[cowboysforever]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

FA WR corps is bare this year. There isn't one guy out there I like...even as a number 2 guy.

I agree with you it has to be a WR with #1 potential...aka Ginn Jarrett Rice.

The more I think about it the more I think we could see Crayton moved. He is a RFA this year...I wonder if anyone would bite.

My random note for the day. Darren Sharper apparently isn't sure if he will be in MN next year.

I don't know how many of you were around...but he was my main target for FS and he has played great....and is a very good ball hawk. If for some reason he is cut (signed through 2008) he is our solution to the problem. Lets remember he signed right away with MN because that is where he wanted to go...we never even got a shot at him...this time I have a feeling his options are more open. He could be great for Watkins to develop and contribute to our team.

I know he signed for big money in MN. But aint he a SS?

Do you question Sharpers ability to play FS in the NFL? He is a natural ball hawk with the speed and smarts to play deep middle. Seems like an ideal canidate to me.

To me a FS is a corner with ball skills and less than ideal CB speed.

Is Sharper that?

[thule]

I think we have to many LB and we are not going to be drafting any LB in the draft. We could go for Thomas from Baltimore and take OL in round 1. What about Hurd and Austin...........It usually takes 2-3 years for WR to come around. I think we need OL help...but I would go after round 1. I did suggest earlier about Burnett....being traded...........about 2 months ago. I would keep him...............Round 1 who would u want to target..give a reason and why.........

I think you have to target Blalock...a mauler as a guard who can either step in immediately or when Rivera retires.

I've put some serious thought recently about drafting a WR. Here's what I think:

-I think that either Hurd or Austin will become a reliable receiver. Maybe not #1 or #2 but definitely a #3.

-I don't think Crayton will be anything more than a 3.

-I don't want to stunt Austin or Hurd's growth by drafting another receiver and relegating them to 4 and 5 on the depth chart.

-I don't know what to think about TO. I think a couple of playoff wins and he'll be fine. But on the other hand, if we don't win a couple of games, we could see a collossal TO collapse. Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we released him?

-Terry Glenn can be a #1 receiver, but for how long?

-On the other hand, if Jarrett or Ginn were miraculously available, I would certainly be willing to draft either of them (although that is extremely unlikely with the Pats drafting right ahead of us).

-If we release TO, what about a veteran to step in and be a #2 while we see how Hurd and Austin develop?

FA WR corps is bare this year. There isn't one guy out there I like...even as a number 2 guy.

I agree with you it has to be a WR with #1 potential...aka Ginn Jarrett Rice.

The more I think about it the more I think we could see Crayton moved. He is a RFA this year...I wonder if anyone would bite.

My random note for the day. Darren Sharper apparently isn't sure if he will be in MN next year.

I don't know how many of you were around...but he was my main target for FS and he has played great....and is a very good ball hawk. If for some reason he is cut (signed through 2008) he is our solution to the problem. Lets remember he signed right away with MN because that is where he wanted to go...we never even got a shot at him...this time I have a feeling his options are more open. He could be great for Watkins to develop and contribute to our team.

I know he signed for big money in MN. But aint he a SS?

Do you question Sharpers ability to play FS in the NFL? He is a natural ball hawk with the speed and smarts to play deep middle. Seems like an ideal canidate to me.

To me a FS is a corner with ball skills and less than ideal CB speed.

Is Sharper that?

Sharper has probabally the best ball skills of all the safeties in the NFL except maybe Ed Reed...he always seems to be around the ball when its in the air. So ya I would say he has stellar insticts and a knack for making the big play. He was do alot for our turnover margin..

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

You and I are saying the same things.

[thule]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

Breaston has no future as a NFL WR...hell even Green was a better recieving prospect then he was. I really would like to see your source that says hes a top end pro prospect. Maybe on the game broadcast....but he has never been a top tier WR prospect.

I want a guy who can tutor under glenn and replace him when he leaves. While hes not seeing the field as a WR...I wanna see him returning punts of TDs.

My guys is Ginn..but I won't get my hopes up because post combine he'll be a top 20 pick.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, you know this goes as follows for a GM. So play Cowboy GM in this order ...

1) First you figure who you wanna cut.

2) Then you figure who ya sign or trade.

3) Then ya figure who ya draft.

But CB, OLB, OL, Backup QB, Kicker and WR are what we need.

This draft will have some talent in Kicker and WR and QB in 4-7.

So CB, OLB and OL are where we need talent early round.

But if Reggie Nelson falls you take him and move on....... Gaines Adams .......

Hey look at Kaymerion Wimbley for Cleveland last year. Great pick and he fell some. McNeil.

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

Breaston has no future as a NFL WR...hell even Green was a better recieving prospect then he was. I really would like to see your source that says hes a top end pro prospect. Maybe on the game broadcast....but he has never been a top tier WR prospect.

I want a guy who can tutor under glenn and replace him when he leaves. While hes not seeing the field as a WR...I wanna see him returning punts of TDs.

My guys is Ginn..but I won't get my hopes up because post combine he'll be a top 20 pick.

I am a UoM guy and I am saying this ... the guys they promote usually are not as good.... the guys they give up early on are usually great if they put in the work in the Pros. L

Loyd is a horrid developer of talent and plays favorites. Never trust a player Lloyd likes too much. Means he is Michigan nice and the coaches pump him up left and right.

Breaston will run 4.4 and is 6"1. He is just really skinny. See him today against USC?????? Stats looked good I think.

[thule]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

Breaston has no future as a NFL WR...hell even Green was a better recieving prospect then he was. I really would like to see your source that says hes a top end pro prospect. Maybe on the game broadcast....but he has never been a top tier WR prospect.

I want a guy who can tutor under glenn and replace him when he leaves. While hes not seeing the field as a WR...I wanna see him returning punts of TDs.

My guys is Ginn..but I won't get my hopes up because post combine he'll be a top 20 pick.

I am a UoM guy and I am saying this ... the guys they promote usually are not as good.... the guys they give up early on are usually great if they put in the work in the Pros. L

Loyd is a horrid developer of talent and plays favorites. Never trust a player Lloyd likes too much. Means he is Michigan nice and the coaches pump him up left and right.

Breaston will run 4.4 and is 6"1. He is just really skinny. See him today against USC?????? Stats looked good I think.

He did play well today. But SC was stacking the line for the run. He is a decent option on the second day...but he isn't as big of a deep play threat as he is played out to be. He had one TD all year before today and that was on a 62 yard broken tackle if i'm not mistaken.

Only in 2 notable games did he really have over 10 ypc. I want more of a deep threat. He did it in 5 games total...but I took away the big play and tried to average it out. He doesn't scream WR in the pro's to me. I mean is he really an improvement over Skyler? Skyler was tiny..but a far superior WR.

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

Breaston has no future as a NFL WR...hell even Green was a better recieving prospect then he was. I really would like to see your source that says hes a top end pro prospect. Maybe on the game broadcast....but he has never been a top tier WR prospect.

I want a guy who can tutor under glenn and replace him when he leaves. While hes not seeing the field as a WR...I wanna see him returning punts of TDs.

My guys is Ginn..but I won't get my hopes up because post combine he'll be a top 20 pick.

I am a UoM guy and I am saying this ... the guys they promote usually are not as good.... the guys they give up early on are usually great if they put in the work in the Pros. L

Loyd is a horrid developer of talent and plays favorites. Never trust a player Lloyd likes too much. Means he is Michigan nice and the coaches pump him up left and right.

Breaston will run 4.4 and is 6"1. He is just really skinny. See him today against USC?????? Stats looked good I think.

He did play well today. But SC was stacking the line for the run. He is a decent option on the second day...but he isn't as big of a deep play threat as he is played out to be. He had one TD all year before today and that was on a 62 yard broken tackle if i'm not mistaken.

Only in 2 notable games did he really have over 10 ypc. I want more of a deep threat. He did it in 5 games total...but I took away the big play and tried to average it out. He doesn't scream WR in the pro's to me. I mean is he really an improvement over Skyler? Skyler was tiny..but a far superior WR.

Sklyer ran a very high 4.4 and is much shorter. Breaston was a CB and QB in high school. Was clocked 4.4. Was Big Ten freshman of the year. Is a great returner. And Lloyd hates him.

I am not sayying this guy is Hester cuz he ain't that kind of fast but he is a poor man's Ginn. Not as fast but same exact body type. Same height and sam weight.

How about Moore from Miami. Again, same situation with a program in chaos.

If you have not figured -- I like big time programs that have bad coaching for later round talent. I think lots of players get lost.

[cowboysforever]

Edwards and Palmer are two best options for back-up QB.

Plus both have talent -- look at how Atlanta has developed Schaub. Same type of player -- big-- strong-big arm-- needed better coaching then Al Groh.

Now he is worth a #1.... like Romo.

[cowboysforever]

I heard CJ blew up today for GT?

Anyone see him or else that impressed?

Oh yeah...shows what he could of done with a real QB all along. Jarrett blew up also; I think Johnson, Jarrett and Rice are all coming out. I think one of them will drop to us, and personally I would accept any of them. Our WRs are old and there's nothing we can do about that.

I either want Nelson, Wilson, Blalock and/or one of the WRs.

No complaints on any of those WR in round 1. Think Jarret may fall for speed though. Under 4.5 though ... wowo.

Mike Williams performance to date, the incredible amount of 6'5 plus guys coming into the league and Keyshawn's comments may also hurt him.

Still does not solve the pass rush problems or OL problems -- the two biggest things on this team on either side.

Which is the reason my mock has us trading some talent to get an additional 2nd rounder.

I want them to go

1) Pass Rusher round 1 -- Quentin Moses from Georgia looked good. Not sure he can play OLB.
2) 2 OL in second round -- I think a Levi Brown falls to early 2 or even a Staley then Ben Grubbs late 2. I like Grubbs cuz he is big and strong but also has good feet.

Anyway. I think my draft makes sense plus I think we can get WR later. Breaston and Ryan Moore come to mind.

I'm not gonna be as bold as to predict trades and values. But I will put out some theories. JJ, Crayton, TO, Ellis, Burnett, Davis could all be with different teams depending on interest form other teams. Singleton and Coleman are cheap and likely wouldn't have much value anyways. They give us solid vet experience that you can't teach.

I think its safe to say we address OG in FA...I mean its deep and talented and young. I think this is definately a possibility.

As far as the draft goes...I'm not gonna predict picks we get from trading. Since a pick trade for JJ would likely go to his replacement at some times. Guys like Booker or Lenard come to mind. Booker would be the pick if Thompson isn't seen as a change of pace back. Lenard is our smash mouth HB type guy who gets the tough yards.

1a- Blalock (if he's available idc if we touched it in FA...he is the pick)
1b- WR (if Rice/Jarrett/Ginn are available I want them here)
1c- Woodley/Moses (Woodley is ahead of moses do to the experience from my point of view)
1d- Tank Tyler (not great but a solid pick solving a need)
1e- Damien Hughes (stud CB could help)

2a- Josh Wilson (stud CB shooting up the draft boards..great return man also)
2b- Craig Davis (we need a deep guy sooner then later)
2c- 2nd tier OG...nothing great...top of my board is probabally Kalil
2d- Tom Zibby (sticking to my guns on this one)

3a- Interior OL...Kalil, Young, ....ect
3- position mentioned above that we didn't select.

Bottom line first day
I want to get a pressure player...a good interior Ol....and either a CB/WR with return skills

Second Day
I see us getting a backup QB...names like Kolb and Edwards pop into my head.
Probabally go some sort of CB/WR going opposite of what we went first day.
Little OT depth late
and a NT I have a feeling.

If you want a Punt Returner that solves some speed issues and can maybe develop in the Pros -- Breaston. He was considered a top end pro prospect after his Sophmore year but seemed to stagnate.

With that said, Lloyd Carr does the least with the most in College Football.

Breaston has no future as a NFL WR...hell even Green was a better recieving prospect then he was. I really would like to see your source that says hes a top end pro prospect. Maybe on the game broadcast....but he has never been a top tier WR prospect.

I want a guy who can tutor under glenn and replace him when he leaves. While hes not seeing the field as a WR...I wanna see him returning punts of TDs.

My guys is Ginn..but I won't get my hopes up because post combine he'll be a top 20 pick.

I am a UoM guy and I am saying this ... the guys they promote usually are not as good.... the guys they give up early on are usually great if they put in the work in the Pros. L

Loyd is a horrid developer of talent and plays favorites. Never trust a player Lloyd likes too much. Means he is Michigan nice and the coaches pump him up left and right.

Breaston will run 4.4 and is 6"1. He is just really skinny. See him today against USC?????? Stats looked good I think.

He did play well today. But SC was stacking the line for the run. He is a decent option on the second day...but he isn't as big of a deep play threat as he is played out to be. He had one TD all year before today and that was on a 62 yard broken tackle if i'm not mistaken.

Only in 2 notable games did he really have over 10 ypc. I want more of a deep threat. He did it in 5 games total...but I took away the big play and tried to average it out. He doesn't scream WR in the pro's to me. I mean is he really an improvement over Skyler? Skyler was tiny..but a far superior WR.

The other issue with Breaston is he plays with Arrington and Manningham. Pretty good talent over there plus a great COLLEGE RB.

[cowboysforever]

How about Kareem Brown for NT?

I would trade our one for a 2 and 3 in this years draft in a heart beat.

The more I review the lists the more I find guys I love that will go 2-4.

[cowboysforever]

To show you the hype and level of silliness in the NFL today....

Would you believe or know that Kamerion Wimbley had a better rookie season thant Merriman?

Wimbley had 11 sacks. That may be the best rookie sack numbers since LT for a LB.

A few DE better like Rice, Kearse and Freeney. Leslie ONeal had 12.5 of SD in 1986 -- he was an OLB?.

I know BP wanted him more than any other guy last year but .....

[Modano]

As I said, I prefer the Seahawks than the Giants..
Any prediction for the game?

How did play Watkins against the Lions? Did we play the 3-4 or 4-3? I haven't seen the game yet.. How did Carpenter play? Henry? Spears?

[bigbluedefense]

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

well put. as an eagles fan i have experienced this

[Staubach12]

Thule, you know this goes as follows for a GM. So play Cowboy GM in this order ...

1) First you figure who you wanna cut.

2) Then you figure who ya sign or trade.

3) Then ya figure who ya draft.

But CB, OLB, OL, Backup QB, Kicker and WR are what we need.

This draft will have some talent in Kicker and WR and QB in 4-7.

So CB, OLB and OL are where we need talent early round.

But if Reggie Nelson falls you take him and move on....... Gaines Adams .......

Hey look at Kaymerion Wimbley for Cleveland last year. Great pick and he fell some. McNeil.

How is OLB a need? We're stacked at LB. That's the one thing that we will never go after unless someone gets traded.

[Ware_HITStick]

Who are the big time OG's in FA this year? Any link to a site that lists FA's?

[bigbluedefense]

where did Ward and D-Unit go?

[cowboysforever]

Thule, you know this goes as follows for a GM. So play Cowboy GM in this order ...

1) First you figure who you wanna cut.

2) Then you figure who ya sign or trade.

3) Then ya figure who ya draft.

But CB, OLB, OL, Backup QB, Kicker and WR are what we need.

This draft will have some talent in Kicker and WR and QB in 4-7.

So CB, OLB and OL are where we need talent early round.

But if Reggie Nelson falls you take him and move on....... Gaines Adams .......

Hey look at Kaymerion Wimbley for Cleveland last year. Great pick and he fell some. McNeil.

How is OLB a need? We're stacked at LB. That's the one thing that we will never go after unless someone gets traded.

An OLB who can rush is not a need? Assuming we stay 3-4, tell me what you have seen to think otherwise.

Please, don't say Ellis. He is coming of a serious injury to his wheels and at best is good for 3rd downs next year at 32.

So Carpenter????? I think he is a 3-4 ILB b/c he is not explosive off the edge.

But let us not repeat this ad nauseum.

[Ward]

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

I agree that we should get rid of Zimmer. A 3-4 guru is needed other than BP to teach these guys why the hell what we're doing isn't working. Because the pieces are all there, there's really no excuse anymore. This is pretty much the best possible 3-4 defense we could get. Sure, NT could beef up a little. Maybe Carpenter and Ware need a few rush moves. But the personnel is there. Zimmer isn't cutting it, and Parcells can't be the teacher for the entire defense and still be a head coach.

[cowboysforever]

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

Telling a Cowboy fan that Roy stinks is like worse than death. But yeah, he is horrid. He has no change of direction ability and forever bites on every fake.

TO does need to go but tell folks that here too. Funny cuz I heard he would be trade bait for Atlanta for one of their WR bums and a mid round pick.

On the D Scheme stuff, the blitzs are picked up b/c they are not timed right and everyone knows they are coming. That is the result of horrid coaching and horrid players not making any adjustments.

Also on D, these Cowboys don't understand what zone coverage is. The players are caught reading receivers moves, over-reacting, getting out of place in the zone and not tracking the QB and the ball.

I saw one play where Bradie almost broke his ankles trying to cover a cross pattern in the hash b/c he over commited to the first guy in his zone and then the QB went the other way for 16 yards. It was a symbol on film of what is wrong with the players on this team. Not a patient group of guys.

And as you know BP and Belichick Defenses are all read and react. This team can't read and over reacts.

[cowboysforever]

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

I agree that we should get rid of Zimmer. A 3-4 guru is needed other than BP to teach these guys why the hell what we're doing isn't working. Because the pieces are all there, there's really no excuse anymore. This is pretty much the best possible 3-4 defense we could get. Sure, NT could beef up a little. Maybe Carpenter and Ware need a few rush moves. But the personnel is there. Zimmer isn't cutting it, and Parcells can't be the teacher for the entire defense and still be a head coach.

Amen. Folks expect BP to be micro manager god. Can Mora coach a 3-4? Crennel looks like he is staying.

[cowboysforever]

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

I agree that we should get rid of Zimmer. A 3-4 guru is needed other than BP to teach these guys why the hell what we're doing isn't working. Because the pieces are all there, there's really no excuse anymore. This is pretty much the best possible 3-4 defense we could get. Sure, NT could beef up a little. Maybe Carpenter and Ware need a few rush moves. But the personnel is there. Zimmer isn't cutting it, and Parcells can't be the teacher for the entire defense and still be a head coach.

Great article. Makes you wonder what is going on inside the locker room but it also makes you understand why BP does not let coaches yip yap.

[cowboysforever]

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

I agree that we should get rid of Zimmer. A 3-4 guru is needed other than BP to teach these guys why the hell what we're doing isn't working. Because the pieces are all there, there's really no excuse anymore. This is pretty much the best possible 3-4 defense we could get. Sure, NT could beef up a little. Maybe Carpenter and Ware need a few rush moves. But the personnel is there. Zimmer isn't cutting it, and Parcells can't be the teacher for the entire defense and still be a head coach.

Also a great article explaining Cover - 2. Helps us understand why Roy is playing so poorly at SS .... Stunned by how intelligent the article is.

[cowboysforever]

Who are the big time OG's in FA this year? Any link to a site that lists FA's?

By the way, DeMarcus got three scks yesterday cuz he relied on his speed and tenacity to get there. Almost no bull rush and almost had 6 by my count.

Had one tackle for a one yard gain and on the another Kitna's feet just went perfectly out of Demarcu's grip. Add the half - a - sack taken away.

I hope next year he has a few of these every year. That is how Merriman gets them -- in bunches of three. I think he had three games this season with three sacks.

[Number-94]

After watching a few Charger games I have on TiVO(just the defense parts). Have to say Merriman......sucks against the run. I get no clue where people say he is a "beast" against the run. I constantly saw hime getting abused by blockers against the run. Although he's better against the pass than people give him credit for; after watching these games I would have to say something like:

Pass rush- Merriman>>>>Ware

Against run- Merriman<<<Ware

Against pass-Merriman<Ware

But overall for what we need ATM...i'd have to say Merriman would be better for us right now. But after seeing us suck it up at everything on defense I don't think it would matter who we had. Could be due to lack of pass rush though.

If someone brings up the Lions game look who it was against. Ware could develop an actual inside move and prove me wrong later.

[cowboysforever]

After watching a few Charger games I have on TiVO(just the defense parts). Have to say Merriman......sucks against the run. I get no clue where people say he is a "beast" against the run. I constantly saw hime getting abused by blockers against the run. Although he's better against the pass than people give him credit for; after watching these games I would have to say something like:

Pass rush- Merriman>>>>Ware

Against run- Merriman<<<Ware

Against pass-Merriman<Ware

But overall for what we need ATM...i'd have to say Merriman would be better for us right now. But after seeing us suck it up at everything on defense I don't think it would matter who we had. Could be due to lack of pass rush though.

If someone brings up the Lions game look who it was against. Ware could develop an actual inside move and prove me wrong later.

Ware would have 5-6 more sacks if they could get a Jamaal Williams push up the middle. Imagine if a DT could actually make the pocket move around. Ware would walk into sacks like Merriman does sometimes.

DeMarcus is a physical specimen and better athlete than Merriman but yeah Merriman is a pass rusher extraordinaire. If Ware can develop his upper body and hands -- he would be better than Merriman in all phases of the game. Big IF.

[bigbluedefense]

After watching a few Charger games I have on TiVO(just the defense parts). Have to say Merriman......sucks against the run. I get no clue where people say he is a "beast" against the run. I constantly saw hime getting abused by blockers against the run. Although he's better against the pass than people give him credit for; after watching these games I would have to say something like:

Pass rush- Merriman>>>>Ware

Against run- Merriman<<<Ware

Against pass-Merriman<Ware

But overall for what we need ATM...i'd have to say Merriman would be better for us right now. But after seeing us suck it up at everything on defense I don't think it would matter who we had. Could be due to lack of pass rush though.

If someone brings up the Lions game look who it was against. Ware could develop an actual inside move and prove me wrong later.

Ware would have 5-6 more sacks if they could get a Jamaal Williams push up the middle. Imagine if a DT could actually make the pocket move around. Ware would walk into sacks like Merriman does sometimes.

DeMarcus is a physical specimen and better athlete than Merriman but yeah Merriman is a pass rusher extraordinaire. If Ware can develop his upper body and hands -- he would be better than Merriman in all phases of the game. Big IF.

Ware has potential to be almost as good as Merriman in pass rushing, and potential to be better overall. But right here right now its not really close quite honestly.

17 sacks in 12 games is unreal no matter how you wanna slice it. Like I said before, he's the most dynamic pass rushing LB ive seen since Derrick Thomas. He's no LT, but he is definately right now in the same league as Derrick Thomas. And forget the sack numbers. How about hurries? He has alot of hurries as well. Plus he's facing double teams, whereas Ware is getting the LT but I rarely see them commit a RB to Ware as well.

And he is great against the run. From the games Ive seen, he's constantly blowing up run plays on his side in the backfield. He's not as sure of a tackler as Ware, but I wouldn't say Ware is way better of a run stopper. I also agree that Merriman's coverage skills are underrated, but still not as good as Ware's.

Id say this

Pass rushing Merriman>>>>>Ware

Run stuffing Ware>Merriman

Pass coverage Ware>>>Merriman

While Ware is better in 2 out of 3 phases, Merriman's pass rush is simply too good to ignore. His motor is something Ware lacks too. Maybe Ware could get more shoestring sacks as well if he was as aggressive as Merriman, but that remains to be seen.

I hate talking about Ware/Merriman because it has been beaten to death, and I think we all agree that Ware has potential to be better, but I don't think its fair to say he's better right here right now.

[Ward]

Pass rushing Merriman>>>>>Ware

Run stuffing Ware>Merriman

Pass coverage Ware>>>Merriman

While Ware is better in 2 out of 3 phases, Merriman's pass rush is simply too good to ignore. His motor is something Ware lacks too. Maybe Ware could get more shoestring sacks as well if he was as aggressive as Merriman, but that remains to be seen.

I hate talking about Ware/Merriman because it has been beaten to death, and I think we all agree that Ware has potential to be better, but I don't think its fair to say he's better right here right now.

Yeah the problem is that the 1 thing out of 3 is what we needed Ware the most for. If he can't pass rush, he's just another good linebacker. Why not just move him inside even? I don't really mean that, but that's really what he's worth to us. I'm proud of Ware for improving, that's the most important thing. But I don't think he's anywhere near as consistent as he should/could be.

[dpl85]

Pass rushing Merriman>>>>>Ware

Run stuffing Ware>Merriman

Pass coverage Ware>>>Merriman

While Ware is better in 2 out of 3 phases, Merriman's pass rush is simply too good to ignore. His motor is something Ware lacks too. Maybe Ware could get more shoestring sacks as well if he was as aggressive as Merriman, but that remains to be seen.

I hate talking about Ware/Merriman because it has been beaten to death, and I think we all agree that Ware has potential to be better, but I don't think its fair to say he's better right here right now.

Yeah the problem is that the 1 thing out of 3 is what we needed Ware the most for. If he can't pass rush, he's just another good linebacker. Why not just move him inside even? I don't really mean that, but that's really what he's worth to us. I'm proud of Ware for improving, that's the most important thing. But I don't think he's anywhere near as consistent as he should/could be.
Welcome back Ward, it hasn't been the same without you, no one to argue/debate with. :lol:

Im so tired of the whole Ware Merriman thing, the bottom line is their both really good players and pro bowlers but Merriman will probably always have more sacks cuz he's just used quite differently in SD's defense, assuming he doesn't get busted for roids again. If you really watch every boys game like me you notice Ware literally has improved in every game, He went from 8 sacks as a rookie to 11.5 in his second year, not to mention he's improved greatly against the run and in coverage. I'm predicting Ware gets at least 15 sacks next year as he'll be in year 3 of the conversion from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB and Bill said it takes 3 years usually for that transition to really happen successfully.

Ward, do you want Parcells fired? I know you and ky were always really critical of him in the past and me and Dunit were pretty much the only ones defending him. Well my patience and support of Parcells is really wearing thin. I think Parcells is a little overrated when it comes to player/talent evaluation when you look at our drafts and free agent signings since he's been here. I always thought Parcells was a great motivator and great relative to play calling and game management but apparently he's overrated in that regard too if you look at how we've collapsed at the end of each of the last 3 seasons. Bottom line is I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed if Jerry decided to fire Parcells.

Having said that though I think Zimmer will probably take most of the blame and we'll just let him go and get a 3-4 DC.

[Ward]

Pass rushing Merriman>>>>>Ware

Run stuffing Ware>Merriman

Pass coverage Ware>>>Merriman

While Ware is better in 2 out of 3 phases, Merriman's pass rush is simply too good to ignore. His motor is something Ware lacks too. Maybe Ware could get more shoestring sacks as well if he was as aggressive as Merriman, but that remains to be seen.

I hate talking about Ware/Merriman because it has been beaten to death, and I think we all agree that Ware has potential to be better, but I don't think its fair to say he's better right here right now.

Yeah the problem is that the 1 thing out of 3 is what we needed Ware the most for. If he can't pass rush, he's just another good linebacker. Why not just move him inside even? I don't really mean that, but that's really what he's worth to us. I'm proud of Ware for improving, that's the most important thing. But I don't think he's anywhere near as consistent as he should/could be.
Welcome back Ward, it hasn't been the same without you, no one to argue/debate with. :lol:

Im so tired of the whole Ware Merriman thing, the bottom line is their both really good players and pro bowlers but Merriman will probably always have more sacks cuz he's just used quite differently in SD's defense, assuming he doesn't get busted for roids again. If you really watch every boys game like me you notice Ware literally has improved in every game, He went from 8 sacks as a rookie to 11.5 in his second year, not to mention he's improved greatly against the run and in coverage. I'm predicting Ware gets at least 15 sacks next year as he'll be in year 3 of the conversion from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB and Bill said it takes 3 years usually for that transition to really happen successfully.

Ward, do you want Parcells fired? I know you and ky were always really critical of him in the past and me and Dunit were pretty much the only ones defending him. Well my patience and support of Parcells is really wearing thin. I think Parcells is a little overrated when it comes to player/talent evaluation when you look at our drafts and free agent signings since he's been here. I always thought Parcells was a great motivator and great relative to play calling and game management but apparently he's overrated in that regard too if you look at how we've collapsed at the end of each of the last 3 seasons. Bottom line is I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed if Jerry decided to fire Parcells.

Having said that though I think Zimmer will probably take most of the blame and we'll just let him go and get a 3-4 DC.

I'm less concerned with what Merriman is doing and more concerned with what Ware isn't doing. The Merriman/Ware debate is over, Merriman won. The point now is to focus on Ware. He's ours, and he always will be. I gave him kudos for his improvement. It's undeniable. I disagree with your assertion that he has gotten better every game though. He clearly has hot streaks and can beat up on certain tackles but not on others.

Ironic because I hated Parcells at first and have grown to appreciate him more. To me, this season proved he's not the biggest reason we fail. I disagree on his talent assessments, it's not just him looking at these guys. Skyler Green and Montavious Stanley still piss me off, but do you honestly think Parcells picked those guys out on tape and said "We gotta have them!" ? I'm sure he was just taking a scout's recommendation. Parcells grand scheme has worked, that's the good news. He has the offense and defense he wants. The bad news is that the mentality of the team is not where it should be. There are only minor changes (offensive line, free safety) to make and we're exactly what BP has wanted. And then what? Where will the excuses be? Ultimately the players have to perform. You can't say they've done that versus Detroit and Philly.

I hope Zimmer is fired. He's too good a coordinator to be wasting his and our time in Dallas. We need another 3-4 mentor on the staff, and soon. Guys need to progress faster than this.

[$KidCowboy$]

Here's a question I have. What happened to the pass D we played against Indy? Why can we hold Peyton Manning to 14 points and give up 39 to Kitna? What's the difference between now and then?

[cowboysforever]

Pass rushing Merriman>>>>>Ware

Run stuffing Ware>Merriman

Pass coverage Ware>>>Merriman

While Ware is better in 2 out of 3 phases, Merriman's pass rush is simply too good to ignore. His motor is something Ware lacks too. Maybe Ware could get more shoestring sacks as well if he was as aggressive as Merriman, but that remains to be seen.

I hate talking about Ware/Merriman because it has been beaten to death, and I think we all agree that Ware has potential to be better, but I don't think its fair to say he's better right here right now.

Yeah the problem is that the 1 thing out of 3 is what we needed Ware the most for. If he can't pass rush, he's just another good linebacker. Why not just move him inside even? I don't really mean that, but that's really what he's worth to us. I'm proud of Ware for improving, that's the most important thing. But I don't think he's anywhere near as consistent as he should/could be.

Ware is an SOLB. He may develop the rush skills eventually. But if you can find an WOLB who can edge rush you get him and move Ware over SOLB. Use Ellis on third down in a DE spot assuming he can still play.

Merriman is out of position on nearly half the plays of the game b/c of how he plays.... which is summarized as get into the back field as fast as possible. I think teams like the Giants and Philly would exploit him with Tiki and Westbrook.

To boot, Merriman has two ILB who can cover flats with speed and a NT, SOLB and DE that provide pressure. Het gets tons of sacks from other guys pressure as much as he does his own. And no way he is doubled with that surrounding cast if he lined up over a quality LT. Gallery sure- gotta go max protect. Walter Jones, no way. Alot of Merriman's hype is scheme and surrounding talent IMHO.

To boot, I think Wimbley may be better than Merriman and Ware in rushing the passer. He is freakishly long and amazing edge speed. More sacks than either on a crappy team in his freshman campaign

[dpl85]

Ward, when I said I thought Parcells was a little overrated with player/talent evaluation I was thinking more about guys like Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman and Marcus Spears and Bruce Thornton and Skyler Green etc. Having said that though he's also made some really good and some great draft picks since he's been here as well. I guess I'm just dissapointed with the inconsistency in that regard but I guess that's just the way the draft is.

As far as FA signings, Marco Rivera was one of the worst I've ever seen, even before the back injury he was obviously an aging player with declining ability.

[CTCowboysFan]

Where the heck is D-Unit?

[Staubach12]

Here's a question I have. What happened to the pass D we played against Indy? Why can we hold Peyton Manning to 14 points and give up 39 to Kitna? What's the difference between now and then?

Ellis. Henry was playing better at that point in time, too. There's other stuff, too.

[thule]

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

Telling a Cowboy fan that Roy stinks is like worse than death. But yeah, he is horrid. He has no change of direction ability and forever bites on every fake.

TO does need to go but tell folks that here too. Funny cuz I heard he would be trade bait for Atlanta for one of their WR bums and a mid round pick.

On the D Scheme stuff, the blitzs are picked up b/c they are not timed right and everyone knows they are coming. That is the result of horrid coaching and horrid players not making any adjustments.

Also on D, these Cowboys don't understand what zone coverage is. The players are caught reading receivers moves, over-reacting, getting out of place in the zone and not tracking the QB and the ball.

I saw one play where Bradie almost broke his ankles trying to cover a cross pattern in the hash b/c he over commited to the first guy in his zone and then the QB went the other way for 16 yards. It was a symbol on film of what is wrong with the players on this team. Not a patient group of guys.

And as you know BP and Belichick Defenses are all read and react. This team can't read and over reacts.

You always say you hear stuff...yet you never provide a source...please bring in some evidence when putting out such a bold statement.

[Modano]

How did play Carpenter, Spears, Hatcher and Watkins against Detroit?

The game against the Saints has disrupted our confidence. I think that if we had won that game now we would be a 12-4 team. We have to re-find the team that played against Indy, we got th potential to be the best team in the NFC, but we've lost our chemistry...
Now we have to hope that Parcells, and his experience, could make us step up for the playoff run.

[Paul]

How did play Carpenter, Spears, Hatcher and Watkins against Detroit?

The game against the Saints has disrupted our confidence. I think that if we had won that game now we would be a 12-4 team. We have to re-find the team that played against Indy, we got th potential to be the best team in the NFC, but we've lost our chemistry...
Now we have to hope that Parcells, and his experience, could make us step up for the playoff run.

Carpenter made a couple plays, but no great overall play. I don't remember hearing Spears name all game. Hatcher always looked like he was going to disengage his blocker to get a sack or stop the run but is always a split second to late, but I still like him. Watkins made a nice pick on deep ball, but kitna pretty much threw into triple coverage, but he didn't give up a big play I don't believe.

[FinChase]

How did play Carpenter, Spears, Hatcher and Watkins against Detroit?

The game against the Saints has disrupted our confidence. I think that if we had won that game now we would be a 12-4 team. We have to re-find the team that played against Indy, we got th potential to be the best team in the NFC, but we've lost our chemistry...
Now we have to hope that Parcells, and his experience, could make us step up for the playoff run.

Carpenter made a couple plays, but no great overall play. I don't remember hearing Spears name all game. Hatcher always looked like he was going to disengage his blocker to get a sack or stop the run but is always a split second to late, but I still like him. Watkins made a nice pick on deep ball, but kitna pretty much threw into triple coverage, but he didn't give up a big play I don't believe.

You know, the more I see of Hatcher, the more I like him. They said going in this year that he was raw and a project, but he's flashed some real potential. I think once he gets a full off-season to work on his strength and technique he could very well push Spears out of the starting lineup.

[FinChase]

Where the heck is D-Unit?

He must be on a really great, long vacation. However, since he evidently lives in Hawaii, I can't imagine where he would go that would be better. Perhaps he takes winter vacations in places like Cleveland or Detroit. :D

[thule]

How did play Carpenter, Spears, Hatcher and Watkins against Detroit?

The game against the Saints has disrupted our confidence. I think that if we had won that game now we would be a 12-4 team. We have to re-find the team that played against Indy, we got th potential to be the best team in the NFC, but we've lost our chemistry...
Now we have to hope that Parcells, and his experience, could make us step up for the playoff run.

Carpenter made a couple plays, but no great overall play. I don't remember hearing Spears name all game. Hatcher always looked like he was going to disengage his blocker to get a sack or stop the run but is always a split second to late, but I still like him. Watkins made a nice pick on deep ball, but kitna pretty much threw into triple coverage, but he didn't give up a big play I don't believe.

You know, the more I see of Hatcher, the more I like him. They said going in this year that he was raw and a project, but he's flashed some real potential. I think once he gets a full off-season to work on his strength and technique he could very well push Spears out of the starting lineup.

Well it'll be interesting to see. Coleman is actually our best DE right now :?

[thule]

Where the heck is D-Unit?

He must be on a really great, long vacation. However, since he evidently lives in Hawaii, I can't imagine where he would go that would be better. Perhaps he takes winter vacations in places like Cleveland or Detroit. :D

He's around...not hard to believe this thread lost its swagger :|

[cowboysforever]

Ward, when I said I thought Parcells was a little overrated with player/talent evaluation I was thinking more about guys like Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman and Marcus Spears and Bruce Thornton and Skyler Green etc. Having said that though he's also made some really good and some great draft picks since he's been here as well. I guess I'm just dissapointed with the inconsistency in that regard but I guess that's just the way the draft is.

As far as FA signings, Marco Rivera was one of the worst I've ever seen, even before the back injury he was obviously an aging player with declining ability.

One of BP's biggest critique's is he over-values "his guys" and under values raw talent. I think this is true but it is an idea that has worked well n NE.

Second, do not under estimate Jerry's role and his son's in this debacle. It was only two years ago that BP got Jeff Ireland in there.

I have said several times that BP's first two draft where not his. The first, he was a newly minted coach and the second (coming off a 10-6 miracle season) was also a Jerry run special (Peterman, et al).

To me this is why BP is really only in his second season of the turnaround and hopefully entering his third.

[cowboysforever]

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

Telling a Cowboy fan that Roy stinks is like worse than death. But yeah, he is horrid. He has no change of direction ability and forever bites on every fake.

TO does need to go but tell folks that here too. Funny cuz I heard he would be trade bait for Atlanta for one of their WR bums and a mid round pick.

On the D Scheme stuff, the blitzs are picked up b/c they are not timed right and everyone knows they are coming. That is the result of horrid coaching and horrid players not making any adjustments.

Also on D, these Cowboys don't understand what zone coverage is. The players are caught reading receivers moves, over-reacting, getting out of place in the zone and not tracking the QB and the ball.

I saw one play where Bradie almost broke his ankles trying to cover a cross pattern in the hash b/c he over commited to the first guy in his zone and then the QB went the other way for 16 yards. It was a symbol on film of what is wrong with the players on this team. Not a patient group of guys.

And as you know BP and Belichick Defenses are all read and react. This team can't read and over reacts.

You always say you hear stuff...yet you never provide a source...please bring in some evidence when putting out such a bold statement.

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

[cowboysforever]

How did play Carpenter, Spears, Hatcher and Watkins against Detroit?

The game against the Saints has disrupted our confidence. I think that if we had won that game now we would be a 12-4 team. We have to re-find the team that played against Indy, we got th potential to be the best team in the NFC, but we've lost our chemistry...
Now we have to hope that Parcells, and his experience, could make us step up for the playoff run.

Carpenter made a couple plays, but no great overall play. I don't remember hearing Spears name all game. Hatcher always looked like he was going to disengage his blocker to get a sack or stop the run but is always a split second to late, but I still like him. Watkins made a nice pick on deep ball, but kitna pretty much threw into triple coverage, but he didn't give up a big play I don't believe.

You know, the more I see of Hatcher, the more I like him. They said going in this year that he was raw and a project, but he's flashed some real potential. I think once he gets a full off-season to work on his strength and technique he could very well push Spears out of the starting lineup.

Jason Hatcher will be a very good pass rusher. Work his upper some. He gets twisted quite a bit when engaging. With that said, I think he is better than Williams.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

[thule]

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

Telling a Cowboy fan that Roy stinks is like worse than death. But yeah, he is horrid. He has no change of direction ability and forever bites on every fake.

TO does need to go but tell folks that here too. Funny cuz I heard he would be trade bait for Atlanta for one of their WR bums and a mid round pick.

On the D Scheme stuff, the blitzs are picked up b/c they are not timed right and everyone knows they are coming. That is the result of horrid coaching and horrid players not making any adjustments.

Also on D, these Cowboys don't understand what zone coverage is. The players are caught reading receivers moves, over-reacting, getting out of place in the zone and not tracking the QB and the ball.

I saw one play where Bradie almost broke his ankles trying to cover a cross pattern in the hash b/c he over commited to the first guy in his zone and then the QB went the other way for 16 yards. It was a symbol on film of what is wrong with the players on this team. Not a patient group of guys.

And as you know BP and Belichick Defenses are all read and react. This team can't read and over reacts.

You always say you hear stuff...yet you never provide a source...please bring in some evidence when putting out such a bold statement.

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

Thats not a reputable enough source for me to buy into. I mean come on all they are doing is line-ing up the dots...they don't actually have any validity behind them.

[cowboysforever]

How did play Carpenter, Spears, Hatcher and Watkins against Detroit?

The game against the Saints has disrupted our confidence. I think that if we had won that game now we would be a 12-4 team. We have to re-find the team that played against Indy, we got th potential to be the best team in the NFC, but we've lost our chemistry...
Now we have to hope that Parcells, and his experience, could make us step up for the playoff run.

I thought Carpenter played well. I know this much he is more athletic than Singleton, Ayodele and James. See the Pass Break-up? Nice.

He will be good next year I feel. Team needs to give him a spot and stick to it all off season.

[thule]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

[cowboysforever]

Couple of quick points I wanted to make

- The different schemes you guys ran against the Lions...I liked it. Why didn't it work? 2 reasons.

1. Guys are just not winning their individual matchups. For whatever reasons, the LB blitzes are getting picked up all the time.

2. The safeties can't cover at all. Roy Williams is really being exposed out there.

- You guys are similar to us in a sense that mistakes is what is costing you games. I think that will go away in the playoffs though, because the stakes are higher and players will be more conscious of their actions.

- This team will be better next year than they are this year. You gotta hope BP stays and possibly replace Zimmer. But this is a young team, and I think that if you can BP, youre making a mistake. Honestly, who on the market would you rather have than BP right now? We'll gladly take him if you don't want him anymore.

- Get rid of TO in the offseason. While he's a great player, his antics are just too much for a team to handle mentally. Even if its not his fault, he brings too much scrutinity to the table, and that wears a team down. He's also notorious for his 2nd year explosions. Remember the "rat" that he plans on unveiling later? Be ready to hear more TO in the offseason because of that. And thats exactly what he wants.

Telling a Cowboy fan that Roy stinks is like worse than death. But yeah, he is horrid. He has no change of direction ability and forever bites on every fake.

TO does need to go but tell folks that here too. Funny cuz I heard he would be trade bait for Atlanta for one of their WR bums and a mid round pick.

On the D Scheme stuff, the blitzs are picked up b/c they are not timed right and everyone knows they are coming. That is the result of horrid coaching and horrid players not making any adjustments.

Also on D, these Cowboys don't understand what zone coverage is. The players are caught reading receivers moves, over-reacting, getting out of place in the zone and not tracking the QB and the ball.

I saw one play where Bradie almost broke his ankles trying to cover a cross pattern in the hash b/c he over commited to the first guy in his zone and then the QB went the other way for 16 yards. It was a symbol on film of what is wrong with the players on this team. Not a patient group of guys.

And as you know BP and Belichick Defenses are all read and react. This team can't read and over reacts.

You always say you hear stuff...yet you never provide a source...please bring in some evidence when putting out such a bold statement.

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

Thats not a reputable enough source for me to buy into. I mean come on all they are doing is line-ing up the dots...they don't actually have any validity behind them.

Thule, I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

With that said, do I like the idea. Yeah. I think TO lives there anyway so not so far fetched.

Will it happen if folks think we are going to cut him any ... no.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

[thule]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I think that kind of slavish micro managing and studying works well for coordinators. But, Capers to mind as I was hearing about the Miami soap opera and god knows that D played well all season with less talent than Dallas.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

Obviously, but BP likes getting younger coaches and pulling them up. Belichick was a nobody and not well considered when he picked him for the GMen.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

[thule]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I think that kind of slavish micro managing and studying works well for coordinators. But, Capers to mind as I was hearing about the Miami soap opera and god knows that D played well all season with less talent than Dallas.

They allowed about 15ypg less running....25ypg less per passing....and 10 ppg overall. I would gladly welcome him aboard.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

Don't pooh pooh Capers, BP likes older mature coaches too. Took back Belichick after Cleveland.

[thule]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

Maybe in madded :roll:

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I think that kind of slavish micro managing and studying works well for coordinators. But, Capers to mind as I was hearing about the Miami soap opera and god knows that D played well all season with less talent than Dallas.

They allowed about 15ypg less running....25ypg less per passing....and 10 ppg overall. I would gladly welcome him aboard.

3-4 Guy and the originator of the Zone blitz I think.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

Maybe in madded :roll:

Jenkins can play. If proposed, you don't think ATL does that in the off season to get some fannies in the seats and placate Vick?

Let me point out TO would do great in spite of drop in ATL. TO can break off routes on Vick scrambles and Vick can just heave it up there for TO.

I think TO could easily have 1600 yards in that type of Offense with that type of QB.

[thule]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

Maybe in madded :roll:

Jenkins can play. If proposed, you don't think ATL does that in the off season to get some fannies in the seats and placate Vick?

This isn't about what we think...this is a business its more than just...who can I trade for to get people in the seats. You gotta worry about cap numbers...why do you think player for player trades are so far and few between?

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

Maybe in madded :roll:

Jenkins can play. If proposed, you don't think ATL does that in the off season to get some fannies in the seats and placate Vick?

This isn't about what we think...this is a business its more than just...who can I trade for to get people in the seats. You gotta worry about cap numbers...why do you think player for player trades are so far and few between?

Because Player for Draft Picks are a better source of currency. Use of Draft Picks allows you to store value and then use later.

Same reason you rather get cash than barter goods.

Dude, I am a finance and economics guy by training.

[DMWSackMachine]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

Maybe in madded :roll:

Jenkins can play. If proposed, you don't think ATL does that in the off season to get some fannies in the seats and placate Vick?

This isn't about what we think...this is a business its more than just...who can I trade for to get people in the seats. You gotta worry about cap numbers...why do you think player for player trades are so far and few between?

Because Player for Draft Picks are a better source of currency. Use of Draft Picks allows you to store value and then use later.

Same reason you rather get cash than barter goods.

Dude, I am a finance and economics guy by training.

Well, maybe you should stick to that, then. Because you've demonstrated a very sophomoric understanding of the way things work in the NFL. For instance, a FS just being a corner-back with less than ideal speed and good ball skills? That is f-ed in the head four ways from Friday, and yet you continue to push that kind of Madden-type idiocy as if it's valid. I don't know why a stand-up, knows-his-stuff guy like Thule is even carrying on with you.

Not to be rude or anything.

[cowboysforever]

Given the chaos in Miami -- how about Dom Capers for DC?

Not HC, DC.

I love capers I remember reading in a article about his work ethic. I don't have the article but wiki sums up what it said.

He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.

I also would seriously look at the NE staff, particularly the DB Coach. With the talent they have lost ... wow. To still be this good.

If Parcells is still the coach...it will be one of his guys I'm afraid.

TO for Jenkins straight up. We need a guy to throw fades and jump balls too.

Maybe in madded :roll:

Jenkins can play. If proposed, you don't think ATL does that in the off season to get some fannies in the seats and placate Vick?

This isn't about what we think...this is a business its more than just...who can I trade for to get people in the seats. You gotta worry about cap numbers...why do you think player for player trades are so far and few between?

Because Player for Draft Picks are a better source of currency. Use of Draft Picks allows you to store value and then use later.

Same reason you rather get cash than barter goods.

Dude, I am a finance and economics guy by training.

Well, maybe you should stick to that, then. Because you've demonstrated a very sophomoric understanding of the way things work in the NFL. For instance, a FS just being a corner-back with less than ideal speed and good ball skills? That is f-ed in the head four ways from Friday, and yet you continue to push that kind of Madden-type idiocy as if it's valid. I don't know why a stand-up, knows-his-stuff guy like Thule is even carrying on with you.

Not to be rude or anything.

Football was invented by a P/E Major. Please don't complicate it too much.

Second, don't Fing tell me what the a FS is moron. But yes, the better FS in this league have Corner skills but less than ideal corner speed and hip roll. Ed Reed anyone? Please explain Rod Woodson too imbecile.

You have no F*** clue how GMs are manning up tommorrow's safety position and how it is being taught. The new rules, the move to more athletic TEs, the increase in 3-4 WR sets and RB catching balls 20 yards downfield have CHANGED how DBs need to play and SAFETIES IN PARTICULAR. Safeties have lots more coverage responsibilities nowadays -- even gasp man to man.

In the old days a Safety was just that....... a guy to double a WR or play run support.

The moron is you. Your ideas of football are about 20 years behind the time. Get BP's tapes. Maybe you will learn something.

[cowboysforever]

I hate folks who want to argue points of disagreement by simply attacking the person or saying "well I said so" so arguemtn is over. Talk of sophmoric.

I think Zibby stinks. Thule thinks he is good. Fine. He makes his point (Playmaker) and I make mine (Slow and SS material more than FS). But atleast we have some basis for an opinion even if we disagree.

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

SECOND, only one GM in Dallas and that is Jerry Jones. Only one Head Coach, BP. All the stuff we talk about is just that talk. So Shut the F up with all this "well this is unrealistic and the other is not" with respect to Player moves and positioning.

All the crap on this site is just that CRAP meant to entertain and enlighten. No one here is graduating to GM any day soon.

Let us argue and make our points -- even if somewhat out-of-the-box who knows. Out of the box ideas are how the Wheel was created.

[Paul]

Well, maybe you should stick to that, then. Because you've demonstrated a very sophomoric understanding of the way things work in the NFL. For instance, a FS just being a corner-back with less than ideal speed and good ball skills? That is f-ed in the head four ways from Friday, and yet you continue to push that kind of Madden-type idiocy as if it's valid. I don't know why a stand-up, knows-his-stuff guy like Thule is even carrying on with you.

Not to be rude or anything.

:lol: :lol:

[cowboysforever]

Well, maybe you should stick to that, then. Because you've demonstrated a very sophomoric understanding of the way things work in the NFL. For instance, a FS just being a corner-back with less than ideal speed and good ball skills? That is f-ed in the head four ways from Friday, and yet you continue to push that kind of Madden-type idiocy as if it's valid. I don't know why a stand-up, knows-his-stuff guy like Thule is even carrying on with you.

Not to be rude or anything.

:lol: :lol:

Another buffoon with no original ideas or creative ones.

Keep posting Emoticons, beats stringing together good ideas and projecting them into something interesting even if controversial.

[Paul]

Well, maybe you should stick to that, then. Because you've demonstrated a very sophomoric understanding of the way things work in the NFL. For instance, a FS just being a corner-back with less than ideal speed and good ball skills? That is f-ed in the head four ways from Friday, and yet you continue to push that kind of Madden-type idiocy as if it's valid. I don't know why a stand-up, knows-his-stuff guy like Thule is even carrying on with you.

Not to be rude or anything.

:lol: :lol:

Another buffoon with no original ideas or creative ones.

Keep posting Emoticons, beats stringing together good ideas and projecting them into something interesting even if controversial.

:lol: what's your deal, your so uptight. don't take it personal that the majority of people on here think you ideas are moronic.

[thule]

I hate folks who want to argue points of disagreement by simply attacking the person or saying "well I said so" so arguemtn is over. Talk of sophmoric.

I think Zibby stinks. Thule thinks he is good. Fine. He makes his point (Playmaker) and I make mine (Slow and SS material more than FS). But atleast we have some basis for an opinion even if we disagree.

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

SECOND, only one GM in Dallas and that is Jerry Jones. Only one Head Coach, BP. All the stuff we talk about is just that talk. So Shut the F up with all this "well this is unrealistic and the other is not" with respect to Player moves and positioning.

All the crap on this site is just that CRAP meant to entertain and enlighten. No one here is graduating to GM any day soon.

Let us argue and make our points -- even if somewhat out-of-the-box who knows. Out of the box ideas are how the Wheel was created.

I don't exactly think Zibby is an ideal FS. I think he compliments what Watkins doesn't have. I think he would be a good player to have yet not stunt Watkins development. I think he would be able to contibute on all special teams areas...which is where his main attributes give value. He would essentially replace Davis on our team.

[cowboysforever]

Well, maybe you should stick to that, then. Because you've demonstrated a very sophomoric understanding of the way things work in the NFL. For instance, a FS just being a corner-back with less than ideal speed and good ball skills? That is f-ed in the head four ways from Friday, and yet you continue to push that kind of Madden-type idiocy as if it's valid. I don't know why a stand-up, knows-his-stuff guy like Thule is even carrying on with you.

Not to be rude or anything.

:lol: :lol:

Another buffoon with no original ideas or creative ones.

Keep posting Emoticons, beats stringing together good ideas and projecting them into something interesting even if controversial.

:lol: what's your deal, your so uptight. don't take it personal that the majority of people on here think you ideas are moronic.

Same here, I think you are moronic too and worst yet you are a backward looking person who is stumbling into the future.

Tell you what, just give me credit when I am right and leave it at that.

[cowboysforever]

I hate folks who want to argue points of disagreement by simply attacking the person or saying "well I said so" so arguemtn is over. Talk of sophmoric.

I think Zibby stinks. Thule thinks he is good. Fine. He makes his point (Playmaker) and I make mine (Slow and SS material more than FS). But atleast we have some basis for an opinion even if we disagree.

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

SECOND, only one GM in Dallas and that is Jerry Jones. Only one Head Coach, BP. All the stuff we talk about is just that talk. So Shut the F up with all this "well this is unrealistic and the other is not" with respect to Player moves and positioning.

All the crap on this site is just that CRAP meant to entertain and enlighten. No one here is graduating to GM any day soon.

Let us argue and make our points -- even if somewhat out-of-the-box who knows. Out of the box ideas are how the Wheel was created.

I don't exactly think Zibby is an ideal FS. I think he compliments what Watkins doesn't have. I think he would be a good player to have yet not stunt Watkins development. I think he would be able to contibute on all special teams areas...which is where his main attributes give value. He would essentially replace Davis on our team.

Good analysis. No disagreement on the analysis. I would conclude, however, that I would rather use a 2/3 rounder for other priorities.

Wow, clean argument where we agree to disagee. Got it Paul?

[thule]

I hate folks who want to argue points of disagreement by simply attacking the person or saying "well I said so" so arguemtn is over. Talk of sophmoric.

I think Zibby stinks. Thule thinks he is good. Fine. He makes his point (Playmaker) and I make mine (Slow and SS material more than FS). But atleast we have some basis for an opinion even if we disagree.

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

SECOND, only one GM in Dallas and that is Jerry Jones. Only one Head Coach, BP. All the stuff we talk about is just that talk. So Shut the F up with all this "well this is unrealistic and the other is not" with respect to Player moves and positioning.

All the crap on this site is just that CRAP meant to entertain and enlighten. No one here is graduating to GM any day soon.

Let us argue and make our points -- even if somewhat out-of-the-box who knows. Out of the box ideas are how the Wheel was created.

I don't exactly think Zibby is an ideal FS. I think he compliments what Watkins doesn't have. I think he would be a good player to have yet not stunt Watkins development. I think he would be able to contibute on all special teams areas...which is where his main attributes give value. He would essentially replace Davis on our team.

Good analysis. No disagreement on the analysis. I would conclude, however, that I would rather use a 2/3 rounder for other priorities.

Wow, clean argument where we agree to disagee. Got it Paul?

The closer draft day gets...the further he falls...If we have 4 first day picks I won't be surprised to see him here if hes available. I will admit that I dont' think he warrants a second round selection anymore...mainly due to our defenses and ol decline.

[Staubach12]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

[TCU]

Does anyone here live near in or around Dallas, and if so do you listen to 1310 or 103.3 ?

[cowboysforever]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

Show me analysis I have done to support a conclusion I have made.

I also said Dom Capers for DC b/c I heard his name on TV. That is not analysis idiot.

Here is an example of an idiot analysis from ESPN I heard to often this season in spite of facts on the field -- week 10 Sean Salisbury "I think Carolina is going to the SB because ...." then hearing fans repeat the same points almost verbatim to agree with Sean. That kills me.

When I repeat points, I give proper deference.

When I do my own homwork, I want credit for it. Like bashing Bradie James wayyyyyyyyyyy before T New came out and before Mosley wrote yesterday's article.

Till I said it, no one was talking about it in the media. I put a few posts here, there and on the DMN blog and here it goes.........

[cowboysforever]

Does anyone here live near in or around Dallas, and if so do you listen to 1310 or 103.3 ?

No, what are they saying about the Boys?

[cowboysforever]

Should Marshawn Lynch fall to us -- do we take him?

While not a priority a TB improvement would really help the OL "play better," much like the change in QB.

[cowboysforever]

Well, Saban quit. Capers is up for the job and the D players love him. Also Houck is on that staff.

If Capers does not get it it would be nice to see BP and JJ going to South Florida to pick up some staff.

[dpl85]

Does anyone here live near in or around Dallas, and if so do you listen to 1310 or 103.3 ?
I live near Dallas and occasionally listen to the Ticket, why do you ask? I would probably listen to ESPN too if the signal wasn't so weak cuz I can't pick it up where I live.

[$KidCowboy$]

Does anyone here live near in or around Dallas, and if so do you listen to 1310 or 103.3 ?
I live near Dallas and occasionally listen to the Ticket, why do you ask? I would probably listen to ESPN too if the signal wasn't so weak cuz I can't pick it up where I live.
You guys are lucky. I live next to NYC and I have to listen to Giants radio. Sucks.

[cowboysforever]

Well, Saban quit. Capers is up for the job and the D players love him. Also Houck is on that staff.

If Capers does not get it it would be nice to see BP and JJ going to South Florida to pick up some staff.

Well given BP's comments today, JJ maybe looking for an entire staff.

[FinChase]

Well, Saban quit. Capers is up for the job and the D players love him. Also Houck is on that staff.

If Capers does not get it it would be nice to see BP and JJ going to South Florida to pick up some staff.

Well given BP's comments today, JJ maybe looking for an entire staff.

What did he say today?

[cowboysforever]

Well, Saban quit. Capers is up for the job and the D players love him. Also Houck is on that staff.

If Capers does not get it it would be nice to see BP and JJ going to South Florida to pick up some staff.

Well given BP's comments today, JJ maybe looking for an entire staff.

What did he say today?

Not what he said but how. Spent way too much time talking about how he and Jerry have a process in place already to decide on if he stays or goes. Just seemed really down.

Also, Giants may fire Coughlin and Acorsi is leaving. BP maybe back in Giants land as GM and Coach. Kinda sick but he is a NJ guy and still needs the dough supposedly.

[thule]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

Show me analysis I have done to support a conclusion I have made.

I also said Dom Capers for DC b/c I heard his name on TV. That is not analysis idiot.

Here is an example of an idiot analysis from ESPN I heard to often this season in spite of facts on the field -- week 10 Sean Salisbury "I think Carolina is going to the SB because ...." then hearing fans repeat the same points almost verbatim to agree with Sean. That kills me.

When I repeat points, I give proper deference.

When I do my own homwork, I want credit for it. Like bashing Bradie James wayyyyyyyyyyy before T New came out and before Mosley wrote yesterday's article.

Till I said it, no one was talking about it in the media. I put a few posts here, there and on the DMN blog and here it goes.........

I don't know how many people here disagreed with you that bradie was too slow to be covering the middle.

There are a couple of reasons..I personally backed him
A- He's out defensive leader...calls all the shots out there
B- He wouldn't have to take such a deep drop if we trusted out safeties to come up and make the play....or if we got some damn pressure on the qb.
C- I also said he wouldn't be traded because of the extention....this is where your credibility went down the drain. You didnt' come in here and tell us anything we didn't know by saying Bradie James isn't fast enough to be in coverage...we all knew that...which is why our pressure/safety play is so important to our defense.

If we are gonna have a bulky middle...your not gonna run N/S on us...but in the same time if we dont' get to you....either
A- Flats will be open
B- Deep middle will be open (when safeties are playing to deep to keep the big play from happening)
C- Short middle (LB's are playing deeper trying to cover the hole left by the safeties playing deeper...leaving the short routes open. This is what we are seeing in the past 3-4 games.

[cowboysforever]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

Show me analysis I have done to support a conclusion I have made.

I also said Dom Capers for DC b/c I heard his name on TV. That is not analysis idiot.

Here is an example of an idiot analysis from ESPN I heard to often this season in spite of facts on the field -- week 10 Sean Salisbury "I think Carolina is going to the SB because ...." then hearing fans repeat the same points almost verbatim to agree with Sean. That kills me.

When I repeat points, I give proper deference.

When I do my own homwork, I want credit for it. Like bashing Bradie James wayyyyyyyyyyy before T New came out and before Mosley wrote yesterday's article.

Till I said it, no one was talking about it in the media. I put a few posts here, there and on the DMN blog and here it goes.........

I don't know how many people here disagreed with you that bradie was too slow to be covering the middle.

There are a couple of reasons..I personally backed him
A- He's out defensive leader...calls all the shots out there
B- He wouldn't have to take such a deep drop if we trusted out safeties to come up and make the play....or if we got some damn pressure on the qb.
C- I also said he wouldn't be traded because of the extention....this is where your credibility went down the drain. You didnt' come in here and tell us anything we didn't know by saying Bradie James isn't fast enough to be in coverage...we all knew that...which is why our pressure/safety play is so important to our defense.

If we are gonna have a bulky middle...your not gonna run N/S on us...but in the same time if we dont' get to you....either
A- Flats will be open
B- Deep middle will be open (when safeties are playing to deep to keep the big play from happening)
C- Short middle (LB's are playing deeper trying to cover the hole left by the safeties playing deeper...leaving the short routes open. This is what we are seeing in the past 3-4 games.

So Thule, let me ask you, if Bradie is too slow to cover and has poor technique too ANDDDD Roy is too slow to cover and has poor technique .... and with a 3-4 where we play lots of 2-Deep Zone .......

What do you do with today's Offenses attacking the middle of the field with TEs running 4.6, RB running 4.3 and WR running 4.4?

Please play GM and Coach for me cuz I wanna know. Keep running the Derby with three legs?

I recommend trading them or benching them or playing them on short yardage only. I recommend we scrap their contracts. Plenty of cap room left anyway to ge a few other select FA that can really help.

Jerry made a horrid mistake signing both and is further evidence of how little Jerry knows about football. He can not tranlate XOXOs into player acquisition and retention. He just bust out the check book and pays for the Brand Name regardless of effectiveness.

Will Jerry admit it? No. Jerry hates admitting his draft picks suck and usually gives them more money than they deserve after their first contract expires.

So you are right in a sense that if betting in Vegas I would put all my chips that both medicore players are back. My realistic, desperate hope is they lose some Fing weight -- like 20-30 pounds apiece -- and work on improving foot speed and technique. My outside possible hope is one or the other is tradable.

[cowboysforever]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

Show me analysis I have done to support a conclusion I have made.

I also said Dom Capers for DC b/c I heard his name on TV. That is not analysis idiot.

Here is an example of an idiot analysis from ESPN I heard to often this season in spite of facts on the field -- week 10 Sean Salisbury "I think Carolina is going to the SB because ...." then hearing fans repeat the same points almost verbatim to agree with Sean. That kills me.

When I repeat points, I give proper deference.

When I do my own homwork, I want credit for it. Like bashing Bradie James wayyyyyyyyyyy before T New came out and before Mosley wrote yesterday's article.

Till I said it, no one was talking about it in the media. I put a few posts here, there and on the DMN blog and here it goes.........

I don't know how many people here disagreed with you that bradie was too slow to be covering the middle.

There are a couple of reasons..I personally backed him
A- He's out defensive leader...calls all the shots out there
B- He wouldn't have to take such a deep drop if we trusted out safeties to come up and make the play....or if we got some damn pressure on the qb.
C- I also said he wouldn't be traded because of the extention....this is where your credibility went down the drain. You didnt' come in here and tell us anything we didn't know by saying Bradie James isn't fast enough to be in coverage...we all knew that...which is why our pressure/safety play is so important to our defense.

If we are gonna have a bulky middle...your not gonna run N/S on us...but in the same time if we dont' get to you....either
A- Flats will be open
B- Deep middle will be open (when safeties are playing to deep to keep the big play from happening)
C- Short middle (LB's are playing deeper trying to cover the hole left by the safeties playing deeper...leaving the short routes open. This is what we are seeing in the past 3-4 games.

Lemme point out both Pitt and SD play with light and fast 3-4 ILBs while also being tough rugged teams.

I am not crazy in my conclusions about the Cowboys needing changes in the SS and ILB position.

[cowboysforever]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

Show me analysis I have done to support a conclusion I have made.

I also said Dom Capers for DC b/c I heard his name on TV. That is not analysis idiot.

Here is an example of an idiot analysis from ESPN I heard to often this season in spite of facts on the field -- week 10 Sean Salisbury "I think Carolina is going to the SB because ...." then hearing fans repeat the same points almost verbatim to agree with Sean. That kills me.

When I repeat points, I give proper deference.

When I do my own homwork, I want credit for it. Like bashing Bradie James wayyyyyyyyyyy before T New came out and before Mosley wrote yesterday's article.

Till I said it, no one was talking about it in the media. I put a few posts here, there and on the DMN blog and here it goes.........

I don't know how many people here disagreed with you that bradie was too slow to be covering the middle.

There are a couple of reasons..I personally backed him
A- He's out defensive leader...calls all the shots out there
B- He wouldn't have to take such a deep drop if we trusted out safeties to come up and make the play....or if we got some damn pressure on the qb.
C- I also said he wouldn't be traded because of the extention....this is where your credibility went down the drain. You didnt' come in here and tell us anything we didn't know by saying Bradie James isn't fast enough to be in coverage...we all knew that...which is why our pressure/safety play is so important to our defense.

If we are gonna have a bulky middle...your not gonna run N/S on us...but in the same time if we dont' get to you....either
A- Flats will be open
B- Deep middle will be open (when safeties are playing to deep to keep the big play from happening)
C- Short middle (LB's are playing deeper trying to cover the hole left by the safeties playing deeper...leaving the short routes open. This is what we are seeing in the past 3-4 games.

Lemme also point out that every team that plays 3-4 in this league -- plays their ILB between 225 and 245 with the exception of Andra Davis in CLE. All of them have 1-2 ILB under 240 with speed in the 4.45 - 4.55 range.

Only the Dallas Cowboys are playing ILB 250 to 260 in the 3-4 with speed 4.6 and way up.

Also pointing out that FS and SS in the 3-4 tend to get lots of tackles and tend to be lighter and fster. Reason is they play lots of 2 Deep. Most 3-4 SS and FS are 215 to 195.

Only the Cowboys have 230lb "ankle tackler" which means he is slow in NFL speak.

Just facts.

[cowboysforever]

But some imbecile with no substance and worse yet arguing regurgitated ESPN BS ANALYSIS drives me bonkers.

WHAT!?!?!?! You just described yourself!

An ESPN guy talking about Mora leaving ATL and what needs to be done to keep fannies in the seats.

I am not assigning probabilities. Just repeating.

Show me analysis I have done to support a conclusion I have made.

I also said Dom Capers for DC b/c I heard his name on TV. That is not analysis idiot.

Here is an example of an idiot analysis from ESPN I heard to often this season in spite of facts on the field -- week 10 Sean Salisbury "I think Carolina is going to the SB because ...." then hearing fans repeat the same points almost verbatim to agree with Sean. That kills me.

When I repeat points, I give proper deference.

When I do my own homwork, I want credit for it. Like bashing Bradie James wayyyyyyyyyyy before T New came out and before Mosley wrote yesterday's article.

Till I said it, no one was talking about it in the media. I put a few posts here, there and on the DMN blog and here it goes.........

I don't know how many people here disagreed with you that bradie was too slow to be covering the middle.

There are a couple of reasons..I personally backed him
A- He's out defensive leader...calls all the shots out there
B- He wouldn't have to take such a deep drop if we trusted out safeties to come up and make the play....or if we got some damn pressure on the qb.
C- I also said he wouldn't be traded because of the extention....this is where your credibility went down the drain. You didnt' come in here and tell us anything we didn't know by saying Bradie James isn't fast enough to be in coverage...we all knew that...which is why our pressure/safety play is so important to our defense.

If we are gonna have a bulky middle...your not gonna run N/S on us...but in the same time if we dont' get to you....either
A- Flats will be open
B- Deep middle will be open (when safeties are playing to deep to keep the big play from happening)
C- Short middle (LB's are playing deeper trying to cover the hole left by the safeties playing deeper...leaving the short routes open. This is what we are seeing in the past 3-4 games.

I would even argue their DEs are too big. Too fat. Not enough speed. They are all playing 300 plus practically.

I pointed out some time back the Cowboys D was last, or close to, in tackles behind the LOS.

These are facts.

BP has made ONE serious strategic mistake since coming to the Cowboys, He has built a D based on bulk and has ignored speed and play making. Someone, somehwere needs to wake up to this. To me the results on the field support these central themes for the team.

[DMWSackMachine]

Listen, I'm going to respond once to you once and then be done.

In the first place, it is readily apparent by the way that you express yourself that you are either a very young boy, or someone with a maturity problem. This comes across in two ways : 1) the way that your posts are structured, in reference to the rhythm and flow of your speech and 2) the way that you quickly degenerate into name-calling and malicious accusations when confronted about the inanity of your posts. Don't think people can't tell.

In the second place, it has been obvious from the day that you signed on (not even a month ago, and yet you are throwing yourself around as if you are a 10-year vet) that you simply do not understand the way that personnel is evaluated for NFL purposes. For example, the way that you are so in love with the idea of Roy Williams moving to LB, which is one of the most common assertions for the novice evaluator. The line of reasoning goes like this : "Roy Williams is a safety, yet he hits really hard, plays the run very well, and often struggles in coverage.......why don't we just move him to LB?".

Well, the consequences of doing something like that are far reaching, and not nearly as simple to implement. The biggest thing is body frame. Every person has what you call an "ideal weight", where their body operates at its most premium level. This is determined in large part by the skeletal frame of the individual, as well as the body mass and muscle level....in addition to the person's metabolism. Roy Williams optimum weight is between 215-225, which is about 25-35 pounds below the mark that a player needs to be at to play LB in our scheme. In addition to that, he is a player that relies upon building up a head of steam, and is used to working in space....as opposed to taking on OGs and TEs like he would be required to as a LB.

Needless to say, it's a stupid idea. Parcells has enumerated on more than one occassion to that effect. Roy has the ability to be a great safety, but he would be out-manned at LB. So, this is the type of crap that you push off as being the off-the-cuff, "hey, this is a good idea" course that you propose this team should take, but in reality is something that would only work in the world of Madden. This goes for your idea of moving Henry to FS, as well as some of your other even crazier ideas. It is not as simple as you make it out to be, and that is why I advised that you should stick to your day job.

Again, no rudeness intended.

[thule]

:|

I don't know how many of you checked out my mock draft that I put out...but I would definately go check it out.

Dallas traded up to 14 from Carolina and draft Ginn. We gave up our first and second picks. I really find the second pick as a wash..because lets face it...we have 3-4 guys who have contracts coming up in the next year or two and we will have a decision to make. This is our chance.

[Paul]

:|

I don't know how many of you checked out my mock draft that I put out...but I would definately go check it out.

Dallas traded up to 14 from Carolina and draft Ginn. We gave up our first and second picks. I really find the second pick as a wash..because lets face it...we have 3-4 guys who have contracts coming up in the next year or two and we will have a decision to make. This is our chance.

*Cringe* I'm really really not big fan of Ginn. But I understand why alot of cowboys like him, he's a gamebreaker with unbelievable speed. I mean if he falls to us, than I would feel alittle bit better about taking him. But I would not trade 1st and a 2nd. I understand we have players under contracts, but I really do believe we alot of positions we need to address in the draft.

[thule]

:|

I don't know how many of you checked out my mock draft that I put out...but I would definately go check it out.

Dallas traded up to 14 from Carolina and draft Ginn. We gave up our first and second picks. I really find the second pick as a wash..because lets face it...we have 3-4 guys who have contracts coming up in the next year or two and we will have a decision to make. This is our chance.

*Cringe* I'm really really not big fan of Ginn. But I understand why alot of cowboys like him, he's a gamebreaker with unbelievable speed. I mean if he falls to us, than I would feel alittle bit better about taking him. But I would not trade 1st and a 2nd. I understand we have players under contracts, but I really do believe we alot of positions we need to address in the draft.

What positions? I find us a team with very few needs

[Paul]

:|

I don't know how many of you checked out my mock draft that I put out...but I would definately go check it out.

Dallas traded up to 14 from Carolina and draft Ginn. We gave up our first and second picks. I really find the second pick as a wash..because lets face it...we have 3-4 guys who have contracts coming up in the next year or two and we will have a decision to make. This is our chance.

*Cringe* I'm really really not big fan of Ginn. But I understand why alot of cowboys like him, he's a gamebreaker with unbelievable speed. I mean if he falls to us, than I would feel alittle bit better about taking him. But I would not trade 1st and a 2nd. I understand we have players under contracts, but I really do believe we alot of positions we need to address in the draft.


What positions? I find us a team with very few needs

I take back the word ALOT, but I'm just a big proponent of the man in your sig. If we do such a trade I rather do it for him.

[cowboysforever]

:|

I don't know how many of you checked out my mock draft that I put out...but I would definately go check it out.

Dallas traded up to 14 from Carolina and draft Ginn. We gave up our first and second picks. I really find the second pick as a wash..because lets face it...we have 3-4 guys who have contracts coming up in the next year or two and we will have a decision to make. This is our chance.

I wouldn't go Ginn but we do need the speed and young on Offense. Interesting.

[cowboysforever]

Listen, I'm going to respond once to you once and then be done.

In the first place, it is readily apparent by the way that you express yourself that you are either a very young boy, or someone with a maturity problem. This comes across in two ways : 1) the way that your posts are structured, in reference to the rhythm and flow of your speech and 2) the way that you quickly degenerate into name-calling and malicious accusations when confronted about the inanity of your posts. Don't think people can't tell.

In the second place, it has been obvious from the day that you signed on (not even a month ago, and yet you are throwing yourself around as if you are a 10-year vet) that you simply do not understand the way that personnel is evaluated for NFL purposes. For example, the way that you are so in love with the idea of Roy Williams moving to LB, which is one of the most common assertions for the novice evaluator. The line of reasoning goes like this : "Roy Williams is a safety, yet he hits really hard, plays the run very well, and often struggles in coverage.......why don't we just move him to LB?".

Well, the consequences of doing something like that are far reaching, and not nearly as simple to implement. The biggest thing is body frame. Every person has what you call an "ideal weight", where their body operates at its most premium level. This is determined in large part by the skeletal frame of the individual, as well as the body mass and muscle level....in addition to the person's metabolism. Roy Williams optimum weight is between 215-225, which is about 25-35 pounds below the mark that a player needs to be at to play LB in our scheme. In addition to that, he is a player that relies upon building up a head of steam, and is used to working in space....as opposed to taking on OGs and TEs like he would be required to as a LB.

Needless to say, it's a stupid idea. Parcells has enumerated on more than one occassion to that effect. Roy has the ability to be a great safety, but he would be out-manned at LB. So, this is the type of crap that you push off as being the off-the-cuff, "hey, this is a good idea" course that you propose this team should take, but in reality is something that would only work in the world of Madden. This goes for your idea of moving Henry to FS, as well as some of your other even crazier ideas. It is not as simple as you make it out to be, and that is why I advised that you should stick to your day job.

Again, no rudeness intended.

I never wanted, or want to, move Roy to LB with this D. Please show me the post cuz it don't exist. Are just another liar or delusional? Have other thoughts but not that one.

No rudeness intended.

Henry played some FS last week, so I guess the Cowboys D staff is crazy too. Still don't understand why Henry to FS is crazy. Not like CB to FS has not been done. Regardless, have yet to hear any analysis as to whether he can or he should. Just blanket statements with no analysis or facts. Got facts?

Again, no rudeness intended.

Don't let your wordy posts and gravitas tone fool you -- you are frustrated GM on a message board with very little to say.

Again, again, no rudeness intended.

Darren Woodson went from LB to FS, Tedy Bruschi from NT to ILB, Junior Seau from OLB to ILB, Trevor Pryce from OLB to NT, Davis in Carolina from S to OLB -- and YES, Roy, in a 4-3, could play WOLB. But Dallas does not run that Defense so he will never do it in this type of D -- by the way that is called circular reasoning which is what you are using with the Roy argument.

Again, again, again, no rudeness intended.

:lol:

[JJJ888]

Listen, I'm going to respond once to you once and then be done.

In the first place, it is readily apparent by the way that you express yourself that you are either a very young boy, or someone with a maturity problem. This comes across in two ways : 1) the way that your posts are structured, in reference to the rhythm and flow of your speech and 2) the way that you quickly degenerate into name-calling and malicious accusations when confronted about the inanity of your posts. Don't think people can't tell.

In the second place, it has been obvious from the day that you signed on (not even a month ago, and yet you are throwing yourself around as if you are a 10-year vet) that you simply do not understand the way that personnel is evaluated for NFL purposes. For example, the way that you are so in love with the idea of Roy Williams moving to LB, which is one of the most common assertions for the novice evaluator. The line of reasoning goes like this : "Roy Williams is a safety, yet he hits really hard, plays the run very well, and often struggles in coverage.......why don't we just move him to LB?".

Well, the consequences of doing something like that are far reaching, and not nearly as simple to implement. The biggest thing is body frame. Every person has what you call an "ideal weight", where their body operates at its most premium level. This is determined in large part by the skeletal frame of the individual, as well as the body mass and muscle level....in addition to the person's metabolism. Roy Williams optimum weight is between 215-225, which is about 25-35 pounds below the mark that a player needs to be at to play LB in our scheme. In addition to that, he is a player that relies upon building up a head of steam, and is used to working in space....as opposed to taking on OGs and TEs like he would be required to as a LB.

Needless to say, it's a stupid idea. Parcells has enumerated on more than one occassion to that effect. Roy has the ability to be a great safety, but he would be out-manned at LB. So, this is the type of crap that you push off as being the off-the-cuff, "hey, this is a good idea" course that you propose this team should take, but in reality is something that would only work in the world of Madden. This goes for your idea of moving Henry to FS, as well as some of your other even crazier ideas. It is not as simple as you make it out to be, and that is why I advised that you should stick to your day job.

Again, no rudeness intended.

I never wanted, or want to, move Roy to LB with this D. Please show me the post cuz it don't exist. Are just another liar or delusional? Have other thoughts but not that one.

No rudeness intended.

Henry played some FS last week, so I guess the Cowboys D staff is crazy too. Still don't understand why Henry to FS is crazy. Not like CB to FS has not been done. Regardless, have yet to hear any analysis as to whether he can or he should. Just blanket statements with no analysis or facts. Got facts?

Again, no rudeness intended.

Don't let your wordy posts and gravitas tone fool you -- you are frustrated GM on a message board with very little to say.

Again, again, no rudeness intended.

Darren Woodson went from LB to FS, Tedy Bruschi from NT to ILB, Junior Seau from OLB to ILB, Trevor Pryce from OLB to NT, Davis in Carolina from S to OLB -- and YES, Roy, in a 4-3, could play WOLB. But Dallas does not run that Defense so he will never do it in this type of D -- by the way that is called circular reasoning which is what you are using with the Roy argument.

Again, again, again, no rudeness intended.

:lol:

I suggested actually that Roy could be one of our nickel linebackers...he worked there in camp...obviously his coverage skills are not spectacular but he can hit and tackle like a linebacker, which is what is really important in the nickel. Doing that would allow us to pair 2 better safeties in deep patrol while alleviating some of the problems our linebackers are having...

[KILLERSANTA]

..

Will you ever get a new Sig?

[Jdallas]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

[cowboysforever]

Listen, I'm going to respond once to you once and then be done.

In the first place, it is readily apparent by the way that you express yourself that you are either a very young boy, or someone with a maturity problem. This comes across in two ways : 1) the way that your posts are structured, in reference to the rhythm and flow of your speech and 2) the way that you quickly degenerate into name-calling and malicious accusations when confronted about the inanity of your posts. Don't think people can't tell.

In the second place, it has been obvious from the day that you signed on (not even a month ago, and yet you are throwing yourself around as if you are a 10-year vet) that you simply do not understand the way that personnel is evaluated for NFL purposes. For example, the way that you are so in love with the idea of Roy Williams moving to LB, which is one of the most common assertions for the novice evaluator. The line of reasoning goes like this : "Roy Williams is a safety, yet he hits really hard, plays the run very well, and often struggles in coverage.......why don't we just move him to LB?".

Well, the consequences of doing something like that are far reaching, and not nearly as simple to implement. The biggest thing is body frame. Every person has what you call an "ideal weight", where their body operates at its most premium level. This is determined in large part by the skeletal frame of the individual, as well as the body mass and muscle level....in addition to the person's metabolism. Roy Williams optimum weight is between 215-225, which is about 25-35 pounds below the mark that a player needs to be at to play LB in our scheme. In addition to that, he is a player that relies upon building up a head of steam, and is used to working in space....as opposed to taking on OGs and TEs like he would be required to as a LB.

Needless to say, it's a stupid idea. Parcells has enumerated on more than one occassion to that effect. Roy has the ability to be a great safety, but he would be out-manned at LB. So, this is the type of crap that you push off as being the off-the-cuff, "hey, this is a good idea" course that you propose this team should take, but in reality is something that would only work in the world of Madden. This goes for your idea of moving Henry to FS, as well as some of your other even crazier ideas. It is not as simple as you make it out to be, and that is why I advised that you should stick to your day job.

Again, no rudeness intended.

I never wanted, or want to, move Roy to LB with this D. Please show me the post cuz it don't exist. Are just another liar or delusional? Have other thoughts but not that one.

No rudeness intended.

Henry played some FS last week, so I guess the Cowboys D staff is crazy too. Still don't understand why Henry to FS is crazy. Not like CB to FS has not been done. Regardless, have yet to hear any analysis as to whether he can or he should. Just blanket statements with no analysis or facts. Got facts?

Again, no rudeness intended.

Don't let your wordy posts and gravitas tone fool you -- you are frustrated GM on a message board with very little to say.

Again, again, no rudeness intended.

Darren Woodson went from LB to FS, Tedy Bruschi from NT to ILB, Junior Seau from OLB to ILB, Trevor Pryce from OLB to NT, Davis in Carolina from S to OLB -- and YES, Roy, in a 4-3, could play WOLB. But Dallas does not run that Defense so he will never do it in this type of D -- by the way that is called circular reasoning which is what you are using with the Roy argument.

Again, again, again, no rudeness intended.

:lol:

I suggested actually that Roy could be one of our nickel linebackers...he worked there in camp...obviously his coverage skills are not spectacular but he can hit and tackle like a linebacker, which is what is really important in the nickel. Doing that would allow us to pair 2 better safeties in deep patrol while alleviating some of the problems our linebackers are having...

Not a bad idea. Don't know how it would work but it is a way of trying to use Roy better. Roy as a Rover / Freelancer on passing situations.

[CTCowboysFan]

Yeah anyone who wants to move Henry to safety is dumb. Pat Watkins is our starter there and I like him. A 6-5 ballhawk, we were all gettin a boner off him last year. Why can't we be patient with some of these guys? Watkins and Carp will be starters for the Cowboys so get used to it.

[cowboysforever]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

[cowboysforever]

Yeah anyone who wants to move Henry to safety is dumb. Pat Watkins is our starter there and I like him. A 6-5 ballhawk, we were all gettin a boner off him last year. Why can't we be patient with some of these guys? Watkins and Carp will be starters for the Cowboys so get used to it.

Henry played some safety last week. Glenn played some safety versus Indy.

So what you say to that?

But, I think any Cowboy fan would prefer, pray, hope wish Watkins to develop. That is the best hope but .......

I think he can and his play last few weeks is proof of improvement and potential .... potential still.

[cowboysforever]

Thule, I know you are an ND guy but wow. A few thoughts from the game.

Zibby is not a Day 1 pick.

JaMarcus is a better prospect that Bradie. Bigger, Bigger Arm, Better mobility and more accurate with the ball. If Raiders don't take him -- they are nuts.

Bradie's performance versus the better teams on the ND schedule has been very bad. I know there is an overall talent gap but still. Even if you buy argument then you should then discount his great performance playing the 3 academies and other bottom tier talent.

ND needs some speed.

[The Fat Kid]

Do any of yall actually live in the Seattle area, do you know what the weather is supposed to be like for the game? Thanks.
http://www.king5.com/live/weather_images/5day_640.jpg
http://bimedia.ftp.clickability.com/fishwebftp/KOMO/4_6day.jpg

low forties, rainy and breezy

[Modano]

We'll see what we can do in the playoffs, but even if we lose in the first round, we have not to forget that we have a young and very talented group..
We just need to wait and see how they will perform next year.. But we are set for many years, we have not many holes and we can be a very succesful team for a long time..
The pass rush problem could be solve this off-season. I still think that's a scheme problem, not players. Look at San Diego, they generate pressure even without Philipps and Merriman and that's because they have a very good 3-4 DC.. That's what we need on defense, because we have a lot of talented players.. I will still pick Nelson, Griffin or Landry if avaible. Watkins has potential, but those 3 have superstar potential. On offense we need a G, maybe a T and maybe a young WR to develope..

I don't want TO to go. He is our best offensive weapon and we have no one on our roster who can be a threat like him.. He's the most important reason why we have a good offense even without an amazing running game.. And no, Austin CAN'T replace Owens. He has potential, speed, size and so on, but he has shown me NOTHING. He went undrafted, and the fact that he is similar to Colston means NOTHING.
TO is TO. He makes some drops and so on, but there aren't many players like him. He can dominate a game as only a few WRs can do. I can't see an undrafted FA who has seen zero playing time this year replacing him.
I want Dwayne Bowe or someone like him to develope under TO wings..

And talking about the draft I want on of this players in the first two rounds:

Manuel Ramirez
Michael Griffin
Reggie Nelson
Dwayne Bowe
Daymon Hughes
Justin Blalock

[Paul]

We'll see what we can do in the playoffs, but even if we lose in the first round, we have not to forget that we have a young and very talented group..
We just need to wait and see how they will perform next year.. But we are set for many years, we have not many holes and we can be a very succesful team for a long time..
The pass rush problem could be solve this off-season. I still think that's a scheme problem, not players. Look at San Diego, they generate pressure even without Philipps and Merriman and that's because they have a very good 3-4 DC.. That's what we need on defense, because we have a lot of talented players.. I will still pick Nelson, Griffin or Landry if avaible. Watkins has potential, but those 3 have superstar potential. On offense we need a G, maybe a T and maybe a young WR to develope..

I don't want TO to go. He is our best offensive weapon and we have no one on our roster who can be a threat like him.. He's the most important reason why we have a good offense even without an amazing running game.. And no, Austin CAN'T replace Owens. He has potential, speed, size and so on, but he has shown me NOTHING. He went undrafted, and the fact that he is similar to Colston means NOTHING.
TO is TO. He makes some drops and so on, but there aren't many players like him. He can dominate a game as only a few WRs can do. I can't see an undrafted FA who has seen zero playing time this year replacing him.
I want Dwayne Bowe or someone like him to develope under TO wings..

And talking about the draft I want on of this players in the first two rounds:

Manuel Ramirez
Michael Griffin
Reggie Nelson
Dwayne Bowe
Daymon Hughes
Justin Blalock

Looks exactly like mine. love it.

[cowboysforever]

We'll see what we can do in the playoffs, but even if we lose in the first round, we have not to forget that we have a young and very talented group..
We just need to wait and see how they will perform next year.. But we are set for many years, we have not many holes and we can be a very succesful team for a long time..
The pass rush problem could be solve this off-season. I still think that's a scheme problem, not players. Look at San Diego, they generate pressure even without Philipps and Merriman and that's because they have a very good 3-4 DC.. That's what we need on defense, because we have a lot of talented players.. I will still pick Nelson, Griffin or Landry if avaible. Watkins has potential, but those 3 have superstar potential. On offense we need a G, maybe a T and maybe a young WR to develope..

I don't want TO to go. He is our best offensive weapon and we have no one on our roster who can be a threat like him.. He's the most important reason why we have a good offense even without an amazing running game.. And no, Austin CAN'T replace Owens. He has potential, speed, size and so on, but he has shown me NOTHING. He went undrafted, and the fact that he is similar to Colston means NOTHING.
TO is TO. He makes some drops and so on, but there aren't many players like him. He can dominate a game as only a few WRs can do. I can't see an undrafted FA who has seen zero playing time this year replacing him.
I want Dwayne Bowe or someone like him to develope under TO wings..

And talking about the draft I want on of this players in the first two rounds:

Manuel Ramirez
Michael Griffin
Reggie Nelson
Dwayne Bowe
Daymon Hughes
Justin Blalock

Looks exactly like mine. love it.

You think it is just a scheme problem?

I think it is good talent acquisition in the draft and training. SD has hit a hot streak with the dead GM and the current one.

Phillips and Merriman are impressive physical talents. 6'3 / 6'4, 260-270, Under 4.65.

[cowboysforever]

We'll see what we can do in the playoffs, but even if we lose in the first round, we have not to forget that we have a young and very talented group..
We just need to wait and see how they will perform next year.. But we are set for many years, we have not many holes and we can be a very succesful team for a long time..
The pass rush problem could be solve this off-season. I still think that's a scheme problem, not players. Look at San Diego, they generate pressure even without Philipps and Merriman and that's because they have a very good 3-4 DC.. That's what we need on defense, because we have a lot of talented players.. I will still pick Nelson, Griffin or Landry if avaible. Watkins has potential, but those 3 have superstar potential. On offense we need a G, maybe a T and maybe a young WR to develope..

I don't want TO to go. He is our best offensive weapon and we have no one on our roster who can be a threat like him.. He's the most important reason why we have a good offense even without an amazing running game.. And no, Austin CAN'T replace Owens. He has potential, speed, size and so on, but he has shown me NOTHING. He went undrafted, and the fact that he is similar to Colston means NOTHING.
TO is TO. He makes some drops and so on, but there aren't many players like him. He can dominate a game as only a few WRs can do. I can't see an undrafted FA who has seen zero playing time this year replacing him.
I want Dwayne Bowe or someone like him to develope under TO wings..

And talking about the draft I want on of this players in the first two rounds:

Manuel Ramirez
Michael Griffin
Reggie Nelson
Dwayne Bowe
Daymon Hughes
Justin Blalock

Looks exactly like mine. love it.

Can't argue with the players picked. Looks fine.

I would add a Marshawn Lynch if he falls. Our Tailback situation is not stellar. Need a more instinctive runner with break away speed.

[cowboysforever]

We'll see what we can do in the playoffs, but even if we lose in the first round, we have not to forget that we have a young and very talented group..
We just need to wait and see how they will perform next year.. But we are set for many years, we have not many holes and we can be a very succesful team for a long time..
The pass rush problem could be solve this off-season. I still think that's a scheme problem, not players. Look at San Diego, they generate pressure even without Philipps and Merriman and that's because they have a very good 3-4 DC.. That's what we need on defense, because we have a lot of talented players.. I will still pick Nelson, Griffin or Landry if avaible. Watkins has potential, but those 3 have superstar potential. On offense we need a G, maybe a T and maybe a young WR to develope..

I don't want TO to go. He is our best offensive weapon and we have no one on our roster who can be a threat like him.. He's the most important reason why we have a good offense even without an amazing running game.. And no, Austin CAN'T replace Owens. He has potential, speed, size and so on, but he has shown me NOTHING. He went undrafted, and the fact that he is similar to Colston means NOTHING.
TO is TO. He makes some drops and so on, but there aren't many players like him. He can dominate a game as only a few WRs can do. I can't see an undrafted FA who has seen zero playing time this year replacing him.
I want Dwayne Bowe or someone like him to develope under TO wings..

And talking about the draft I want on of this players in the first two rounds:

Manuel Ramirez
Michael Griffin
Reggie Nelson
Dwayne Bowe
Daymon Hughes
Justin Blalock

Austin has shown nothing? Wow. Don't ya think that is a little harsh?

He may, or may not, develop but Austin has as much talent as Bowe.

Not only that GMs are starting to come to the realization that so much talent in college is going into the WR position that you can get good value later in the draft.

But both the LSU WR guys are really good.

[D-Unit]

Completed a 2 Round Mock the other day.

I have the Cowboys selecting Levi Brown in Round 1 and Jarvis Moss in Round 2.

How would you guys rank your top needs in the upcoming offseason?

[Paul]

How would you guys rank your top needs in the upcoming offseason?

OG
S
NT
WR
OT/CB (not sure)

That's my opinion.

[sweetness34]

Any of you guys seen the new stadium development? I've got some pics on my phone from when I was down in Arlington (visiting grandparents) of the site. It's about 4 miles away from their house.

Not much going on except for about 3 cranes and a pile of dirt but I'll try to download them on my computer and get them on here.

[Paul]

Any of you guys seen the new stadium development? I've got some pics on my phone from when I was down in Arlington (visiting grandparents) of the site. It's about 4 miles away from their house.

Not much going on except for about 3 cranes and a pile of dirt but I'll try to download them on my computer and get them on here.

There's a whole website dedicated to it, and it looks SICK.

[Jdallas]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

Safeties playing a 2 deep zone and running a cover 2 are two very different things.

In a pure cover 2 pass defense everyone is in zone and it wouldn't be the best for the way Henry plays pass defense, but it does increase effectiveness versus the run. However, it's obvious the we're not playing this type of defense very often because it also takes care of the RBs in the flat.

You can run man or zone with safeties 2 deep, because all it means is the safeties are playing deep halves of the field to prevent the big play. This seems to play right into Henry's style of physical coverage while occasionally getting beat deep. The safeties are back there to help cover up Henry's weakness.

It seems to me that the 2 deep zone on passing downs is exactly what our defense needs most of the time because you can disguise so many coverages off of it and it fits the skills of our top 2 CBs.

[sweetness34]

Any of you guys seen the new stadium development? I've got some pics on my phone from when I was down in Arlington (visiting grandparents) of the site. It's about 4 miles away from their house.

Not much going on except for about 3 cranes and a pile of dirt but I'll try to download them on my computer and get them on here.

There's a whole website dedicated to it, and it looks SICK.

Well it should be for $1 billion. :lol:

[dpl85]

Some interesting articles...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6330382


http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstory/stories/010407cpcowlede.32083bf.html


http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstory/stories/010407cpseahawksbriefs.2b8e605.html

Damn I'm not very good at posting links. :lol: Two of the articles are about the Seahawks terrible injury depleted secondary, they actually signed Pete Hunter. The other one was about Parcells talking about his and Jerry's plan for after the season where he kinda sounded like he was planning on retiring but that's just speculation on my part.

[cowboysforever]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

Safeties playing a 2 deep zone and running a cover 2 are two very different things.

In a pure cover 2 pass defense everyone is in zone and it wouldn't be the best for the way Henry plays pass defense, but it does increase effectiveness versus the run. However, it's obvious the we're not playing this type of defense very often because it also takes care of the RBs in the flat.

You can run man or zone with safeties 2 deep, because all it means is the safeties are playing deep halves of the field to prevent the big play. This seems to play right into Henry's style of physical coverage while occasionally getting beat deep. The safeties are back there to help cover up Henry's weakness.

It seems to me that the 2 deep zone on passing downs is exactly what our defense needs most of the time because you can disguise so many coverages off of it and it fits the skills of our top 2 CBs.

I am sorry JDallas but is not Cover - 2 a man scheme as the name may indicate and 2 - Deep a zone scheme? These two concepts cover the general idea of keeping safeties far back. Cover - 2 = Man. 2 Deep = Zone.

Always wrinkles but talking generics.

Cover 1 to me indicates Watkins in Centerfield with Roy either blitzing, playing Rover or covering someone (TE or RB) in man or double.

[cowboysforever]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

Safeties playing a 2 deep zone and running a cover 2 are two very different things.

In a pure cover 2 pass defense everyone is in zone and it wouldn't be the best for the way Henry plays pass defense, but it does increase effectiveness versus the run. However, it's obvious the we're not playing this type of defense very often because it also takes care of the RBs in the flat.

You can run man or zone with safeties 2 deep, because all it means is the safeties are playing deep halves of the field to prevent the big play. This seems to play right into Henry's style of physical coverage while occasionally getting beat deep. The safeties are back there to help cover up Henry's weakness.

It seems to me that the 2 deep zone on passing downs is exactly what our defense needs most of the time because you can disguise so many coverages off of it and it fits the skills of our top 2 CBs.

But if Henry, as you say, is a press corner then does that not normally mean man-to-man bump-n-run .... unless you want him to bimp at the line and then move back into a zone.

I agree if playing 2 Deep Zone we should try to tie-up the receivers as much as possible at the line. Our Corners are big and can tackle so then they could cover the flats.

But even in 2 - Deep with the Corners playing off we should not be having issues in the flats.

Either way, I think the biggest issue with any coverage is pass rush so.....

[pocketaces]

Completed a 2 Round Mock the other day.

I have the Cowboys selecting Levi Brown in Round 1 and Jarvis Moss in Round 2.
hey d-unit!! welcome back. where ya been?

[Poet3334]

Completed a 2 Round Mock the other day.

I have the Cowboys selecting Levi Brown in Round 1 and Jarvis Moss in Round 2.

I really like it. I think we're going edge rusher with one of our first 3 picks. Moss would fit nicely. I say G or T, and probably a corner with the other.

[jetBLACK08]

I am tired of waiting till next year. EVERY year, we say that the boys will bloom the next year but it never happens.

[thule]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

Safeties playing a 2 deep zone and running a cover 2 are two very different things.

In a pure cover 2 pass defense everyone is in zone and it wouldn't be the best for the way Henry plays pass defense, but it does increase effectiveness versus the run. However, it's obvious the we're not playing this type of defense very often because it also takes care of the RBs in the flat.

You can run man or zone with safeties 2 deep, because all it means is the safeties are playing deep halves of the field to prevent the big play. This seems to play right into Henry's style of physical coverage while occasionally getting beat deep. The safeties are back there to help cover up Henry's weakness.

It seems to me that the 2 deep zone on passing downs is exactly what our defense needs most of the time because you can disguise so many coverages off of it and it fits the skills of our top 2 CBs.

I am sorry JDallas but is not Cover - 2 a man scheme as the name may indicate and 2 - Deep a zone scheme? These two concepts cover the general idea of keeping safeties far back. Cover - 2 = Man. 2 Deep = Zone.

Always wrinkles but talking generics.

Cover 1 to me indicates Watkins in Centerfield with Roy either blitzing, playing Rover or covering someone (TE or RB) in man or double.


You are so wrong.

Cover 2 = everyone in zone coverage. CBs staying up in the flats...LB's in the Middle spread across the field and safeties deep.

Cover 2 man = Everyone in man to man..but both safeties are deep covering their half of the field. Thus they are over the top help.

[cowboysforever]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

Safeties playing a 2 deep zone and running a cover 2 are two very different things.

In a pure cover 2 pass defense everyone is in zone and it wouldn't be the best for the way Henry plays pass defense, but it does increase effectiveness versus the run. However, it's obvious the we're not playing this type of defense very often because it also takes care of the RBs in the flat.

You can run man or zone with safeties 2 deep, because all it means is the safeties are playing deep halves of the field to prevent the big play. This seems to play right into Henry's style of physical coverage while occasionally getting beat deep. The safeties are back there to help cover up Henry's weakness.

It seems to me that the 2 deep zone on passing downs is exactly what our defense needs most of the time because you can disguise so many coverages off of it and it fits the skills of our top 2 CBs.

I am sorry JDallas but is not Cover - 2 a man scheme as the name may indicate and 2 - Deep a zone scheme? These two concepts cover the general idea of keeping safeties far back. Cover - 2 = Man. 2 Deep = Zone.

Always wrinkles but talking generics.

Cover 1 to me indicates Watkins in Centerfield with Roy either blitzing, playing Rover or covering someone (TE or RB) in man or double.


You are so wrong.

Cover 2 = everyone in zone coverage. CBs staying up in the flats...LB's in the Middle spread across the field and safeties deep.

Cover 2 man = Everyone in man to man..but both safeties are deep covering their half of the field. Thus they are over the top help.

I only care to use whatever terms you want ... not arguing with you b/c how schemes are named vesus actually played do vary but what you call Cover 2 is called 2 Deep in my world.

But you are definately right that folks are using Cover 2 as a pure zone scheme more times than not and then use a variation of Cover Two with man underneath.

Just want to know what you call it. Thank you.

Please, I don't want some pee match over terminology thanks.

[cowboysforever]

Henry's best asset is his ability to play physical press coverage. His biggest liability is he gives up some big plays.

How does that make you want to move him to safety?

Well if we play more 2 Deep Zone to cover up for Roy and Watkins then Henry is also not being used to his best.

So what is the solution? Go back to Cover 1 in order to play into Roy and Anthony's strengths but pray Watkins develops or a pash rush develops????

To me, there is philosophy that need to emerge here on what kind of D makes sense. Based on selecting a strategy, personnel moves make sense.

I assume this team is moving towards a predominately 2 Deep Zone coverage scheme. So Press Corners are not as important. Everything I have read is this where teams are moving b/c of the way the rules have changed to benefit receivers.

But tell me the D we want and I have some ideas on personnel.

Safeties playing a 2 deep zone and running a cover 2 are two very different things.

In a pure cover 2 pass defense everyone is in zone and it wouldn't be the best for the way Henry plays pass defense, but it does increase effectiveness versus the run. However, it's obvious the we're not playing this type of defense very often because it also takes care of the RBs in the flat.

You can run man or zone with safeties 2 deep, because all it means is the safeties are playing deep halves of the field to prevent the big play. This seems to play right into Henry's style of physical coverage while occasionally getting beat deep. The safeties are back there to help cover up Henry's weakness.

It seems to me that the 2 deep zone on passing downs is exactly what our defense needs most of the time because you can disguise so many coverages off of it and it fits the skills of our top 2 CBs.

I am sorry JDallas but is not Cover - 2 a man scheme as the name may indicate and 2 - Deep a zone scheme? These two concepts cover the general idea of keeping safeties far back. Cover - 2 = Man. 2 Deep = Zone.

Always wrinkles but talking generics.

Cover 1 to me indicates Watkins in Centerfield with Roy either blitzing, playing Rover or covering someone (TE or RB) in man or double.


You are so wrong.

Cover 2 = everyone in zone coverage. CBs staying up in the flats...LB's in the Middle spread across the field and safeties deep.

Cover 2 man = Everyone in man to man..but both safeties are deep covering their half of the field. Thus they are over the top help.

I only care to use whatever terms you want ... not arguing with you b/c how schemes are named vesus actually played do vary but what you call Cover 2 is called 2 Deep in my world.

But you are definately right that folks are using Cover 2 as a pure zone scheme more times than not and then use a variation of Cover Two with man underneath.

Just want to know what you call it. Thank you.

Please, I don't want some pee match over terminology thanks.

BTW, BB used to call it two deep if my hazy memory of the 80s serves me right.

[Paul]

Robert Meachem just declared. I would love him if TO is gone.