Professional Wrestling Thread

[Draft King]

I missed RAW... what happened with The Rock??

[jagsfreak27]

NM but lashley broke the master lock and eugene got a haircut

[WMD]

That's nice.

I die a little inside every time Cena makes someone infinitely more talented than him tap out.

I just hate seeing Benoit tap.

[Notredameleo]

Orton and Edge Busted for Roids

[jayceheathman]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6550426?MSNHPHCP&GT1=9232

[bored of education]

LOL????!??! is that news or just PROOF

[BigDawg819]

I just hate seeing Benoit tap.

While I like Cena, making Benoit tap to him is just WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

[YAYareaRB]

While I like Cena, making Benoit tap to him is just WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

I had no idea Cena was a submissions kinda guy.. I thought he was from the streets and street fights everyone.. ;)

[comahan]

Stop posting the Steroids articles. Its now been posted like 74 times.

Btw, Monty Brown landed a NASTY pounce on Sabu tonight. That was sick.

[comahan]

Response from Edge.

If you are reading this blog and it sees the light of day, than that means that an article has been written by a Sports Illustrated writer that states I received HGH from a pharmacy in 2003. So, I'll cut right to the chase like I always do. It's true. However, it's not exactly breaking, earth shattering news. It's actually old news. I admitted to this on national television in Canada in 2004 on Off The Record. When host Michael Lansberg asked me if I'd ever taken steroids, without consulting me before the show, I was perturbed, but answered without hesitation, "Yes, I have."

In hindsight, I'm glad he asked the question. It got it out in the open and anyone who follows my career or supports me already knows this information about me. I won't try to defend my actions. I took them when coming back from my spinal fusion neck surgery when I was told by doctors that it would help the bones grow back around the screws and plate that were now inserted in my neck. I'm not glorifying. I'm not condoning. Just telling you why I decided to take them. I took blood tests, consulted doctors, read up, studied them, got prescriptions, and decided to do it. That's pretty much it folks, but I wanted you to get my response straight from me and not through the words of another write. Now as I'm sure most you can tell, I don't take steroids and haven't in a very long time, long before the WWE drug testing wellness policy was implemented. Hell, I barely see the inside of a gym anymore, let alone take performance enhancing substances!

So, in closing, to the columnist (not the Sports Illustrated columnist, but actually another one) who said a "roided up thing called Edge" was at the NHL ALL Star Game a few weeks ago, in 2003, this may have been true. Now, not in the least, as my random urine tests, which have always been negative will attest. I guess I'll take the fact that he thought I was as somewhat of a compliment. To the fact that I've been lucky enough to have been gifted with a 6 foot 5, 240lb body naturally. And finally made it to the top of my industry last year on my own, clean as a whistle. To those, like that columnist and any other naysayers that will hold my past against me? I've made mistakes. Will do so again in the future I'm sure. But I won't hide from them. If you're reading this, you know that's not my style.

Until next time, from everybody's favorite, clean urine,
Edgemiester!

[villagewarrior]

Edge is the man, whether he is on roids or not (which I believe him in his little blog thing) I want the title back around his waist.

[lurkin012]

restlers shood stop beeing bad roll moddels.

[Brodeur]

restlers shood stop beeing bad roll moddels.

They aren't role models in the first place. This isn't the 80's/early 90's WWF where Hogan or Warrior could have been role models. The attitude era kicked in and wrestlers stopped being role models(hell probably before that).

[BigDawg819]

Who cares if they use steriods or not, they deal with a grind that no athlete could compete with and besides the Edge news is old news. Besides if HGH is taken after surgery with doctors care then why is it news in the first place?

[portermvp84]

You guys see Masters get his ass kicked by Lashely on ECW?

[LTgiants]

considering its the week of wreslemania raw hasnt been that good tonight

[BigDawg819]

I can't believe I missed Stone Cold stunning the Coach!

[Jay]

From WWE.com
Joey Mercury released
Written: March 26, 2007
WWE.com has learned that today in Chicago, WWE officials have agreed on the immediate release of Joey Mercury.

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that Mercury lost his temper and assaulted Stephanie McMahon backstage which later caused her to need medical treatment after he and Nitro were told they were not going to be on the WM 23 card. Notice they did not say "We wish him well in his future endeavors" obviously. He had failed a drug test last year which he was on the inactive list for 6 months and had been talking negatively about Kelly Kelly backstage.

[villagewarrior]

Haha, nice job Mercury, that's a way to keep your job. Assault the boss' daughter, real smart.

I loved the main event last night, although it was all I saw. Undertaker throwing HBK at Batista was sweet, and then the Sweet Chin Music to Cena drew a huge pop in the crowd.

[Splat]

I can't believe I missed Stone Cold stunning the Coach!

There is nothing better then wham bam stunner.

[portermvp84]

Haha, nice job Mercury, that's a way to keep your job. Assault the boss' daughter, real smart.

I loved the main event last night, although it was all I saw. Undertaker throwing HBK at Batista was sweet, and then the Sweet Chin Music to Cena drew a huge pop in the crowd.


I know that was a hell of a good match, Cena and Micheals worked well together until the end of the match. It was cool when Undertaker and Batista were going at it. Not a bad show overall last night.

[Splat]

From WWE.com
Joey Mercury released
Written: March 26, 2007
WWE.com has learned that today in Chicago, WWE officials have agreed on the immediate release of Joey Mercury.

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that Mercury lost his temper and assaulted Stephanie McMahon backstage which later caused her to need medical treatment after he and Nitro were told they were not going to be on the WM 23 card. Notice they did not say "We wish him well in his future endeavors" obviously. He had failed a drug test last year which he was on the inactive list for 6 months and had been talking negatively about Kelly Kelly backstage.

He is lucky the game was not there to kick his ass.

[LTgiants]

the real reason mercury got cut

http://nodq.com/wwe/176976792.shtml

[comahan]

Yea, it had nothing to do with Stephanie at all. Just dirtsheet sites with awful sources.

[Brodeur]

Rosey beat Kawada in 6 minutes in AJPW. Oh the anger I feel.

[comahan]

From the observer

Joey Mercury was cut Monday in Chicago. It's a sad story. He had some major issues with painkillers last year and was sent to rehab. Shortly after getting out he got his face destroyed by the ladder and got hooked on them again in a major way. He was said to be really bad on Monday, and as much as people like him and feel bad for him, they felt this had to be done for his own good.

That sucks.

[bearsfan_51]

Yeah that does suck. Best to luck to him in the future.

On the plus side, hopefully this will convince the WWE that Nitro is a singles wrestler.

[the_legend_killer]

By chance, is anybody going to Lockdown on April 15th? It's rumored that Bound For Glory 2007 is coming to chicago, and there's a good chance I might be heading down for that.

[WMD]

WRESTLEMANIA PREDICTIONS!!

United States Title
Chris Benoit vs. MVP
Winner- Chris Benoit

Womens Title
Melina vs. Ashley
Winner- Ashley

Kane vs. The Great Khali
Winner- The Great Khali

ECW Originals vs. The New Breed
Winner- The New Breed

Money in the Bank
Randy Orton, Mr. Kennedy, Finlay, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, King Booker, CM Punk, Edge
Winner- Mr. Kennedy

Battle of the Billionaires
Bobby Lashley (w/ Donald Trump) vs. Umaga (w/ Vince McMahon)
Winner- Bobby Lashley

World Heavyweight Title
Batista vs. The Undertaker
Winner- The Undertaker

WWE Title
John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels
Winner- John Cena

[comahan]

WMD stole my predictions...


except for the opener. I think MVP beats Benoit.

[LTgiants]

WRESTLEMANIA PREDICTIONS!!

United States Title
Chris Benoit vs. MVP
Winner- MVP

Womens Title
Melina vs. Ashley
Winner- Ashley

Kane vs. The Great Khali
Winner- Kane

ECW Originals vs. The New Breed
Winner- The New Breed

Money in the Bank
Randy Orton, Mr. Kennedy, Finlay, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, King Booker, CM Punk, Edge
Winner- Mr. Kennedy

Battle of the Billionaires
Bobby Lashley (w/ Donald Trump) vs. Umaga (w/ Vince McMahon)
Winner- Bobby Lashley

World Heavyweight Title
Batista vs. The Undertaker
Winner- The Undertaker

WWE Title
John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels
Winner- Shawn Michaels

[villagewarrior]

Unfortunately I think Batista will beat the Undertaker. It'll be a shame to see the unbeaten streak end at the hands of the scrub.

[bearsfan_51]

No way in ballsack does Undertaker lose, although I do think Cena will win, due to questionable interference, setting up a match at Backlash where Cena finally turns heel with the aid of an enraged Mr McMahon. That's what I would do anyway.

I thought I was thinking outside the box with my Mr.Kennedy prediction. Oh well. I think it's either him or Randy Orton. Edge is way too predictable and he doesn't need it anyway.

If MVP beats Benoit I will shake my fist and be angry.

[NIN1984]

Wow that first match was awesome good way to start WM

[YAYareaRB]

Wow that first match was awesome good way to start WM

Who won the match?

[Jay]

SPOILER BELOW...


























Mr......... Kennedy......








































































Kennedy....

[Notredameleo]

I wonder if Edge is really hurt. It looks like it hurt bad.

[islandboy843]

I wonder if Edge is really hurt. It looks like it hurt bad.

It sure did.

[jagsfreak27]

Both new breed and batista lost wow

[jagsfreak27]

Here we go Battle of the billionares

[Jay]

This PPV hasn't been technically amazing, but it has been very entertaining. They always do a good job with Wrestlemania regardless of the talent.

[freebirdsrams02]

So who won?

[Notredameleo]

Lashley, Melina, Undertaker, Originals, Benoit, Mr. Kennedy all won so far

[freebirdsrams02]

How was the Head Shaving match.

[jagsfreak27]

Lashley was getting beat most of the match. He came back and won thanks in part to Stone Cold Vince got shaved clean and austin stunnered trump, lashly helped him up. And thats about it

[jagsfreak27]

Cena is getting booed LOL

[jagsfreak27]

Pre Show:

Wrestlemania recall featured Hulk Hogan beating Andre The Giant at WrestleMania 3.

They continue to show previews for tonight’s matches. The main matches they highlighted at this point is the main event, HBK vs. John Cena & The hair vs. hair match.

Highlights which have led up to the Money in the Bank match.

WrestleMania Opener:

Video package opens with highlights from past WrestleMania. Aretha Franklin is shown on the piano singing the nation anthem. Fireworks go off at the conclusion of her singing the anthem. More video packages are shown for WrestleMania 23.

Money in the Bank Ladder Match:

Mr. Kennedy had his drop down mic come down from the entrance ramp as he introduced himself to the Ford Field crowd. They have three tall ladders set up on the entrance way. Finlay jumped off the top rope onto a handful wrestlers on the outside. Edge grabbed a ladder and tried to climb it, but was stopped by Matt Hardy. It was followed by Orton and Finlay until the ladder tilted over. Jeff Hardy was also unsuccessful in climbing the ladder early on. King Booker went for a ladder, but found the Hornswoggle's step ladder. Booker did the spinaroonie, which got a good pop. All six ringside announcers have their mics on, so all are commenting on the action. Jeff Hardy hit a senton bomb on Mr. Kennedy, and the Hardy's double team their opponents with a ladder. Jeff and Matt both climbed the ladder, but the ladder was pushed over by Finlay. Edge speared his opponents, but missed a spear attempt going for CM Punk. Edge recovered and speared Punk. Edge climbed the ladder, but Orton tipped it over. Jeff Hardy jumped off a ladder onto Edge, who was laying on a ladder on the outside of the ring. The ladder broke, which was set up on the guard rail up to the ring. As medics attended to Edge and Jeff Hardy, Orton hit a series of RKO. Orton and Punk climbed separate ladders. Orton hit an RKO off the ladder on Punk. Booker T hit a bookend off the ladder on Orton. Booker climbed the ladder, but Matt had Sharmell so he came to aid his wife. Matt climbed the ladder, but Finlay tipped the ladder over. Finlay is cut open on the top of his head. Finlay dropped Matt Hardy on a ladder. With Finlay down, Hornswoggle climbed a ladder. Kennedy climbed another ladder. Hornswoggle slapped Kennedy, which led to Kennedy bombing Hornswoggle to the mat. Finlay climbed the ladder, but Punk drop kicked the ladder. Punk climbed the ladder, but Kennedy recovered and climbed the other side of the ladder. Punk threw Kennedy off the ladder, but Kennedy answered with a ladder shot (with a second ladder) into Punk knocking him off. Kennedy climbed the ladder and grabbed the brief case to win the match at 19:10. Great opener. After the match, Finlay helped Hornswoggle back up.

WINNER: MR. Kennedy

- They showed highlights of Steve Austin's "The Condemned" as people came out for the opening. Movie comes out nationwide 4/27.

- Backstage, Todd Grisham interviewed Mr. Kennedy. Kennedy congratulated himself. He warned anyone with a title that he could be coming for them. He called himself "Mr. Money in the Bank."

- They aired another "All Grown Up" video.

Kane vs. Khali:

Ross pointed out that Khali wears a size 20 shoe. Kane comes to the ring without his "See No Evil" hook. Khali fell back into the ropes, and had his arms tied up in the ropes. This allowed Kane to go outside and grab the chain and hook from under the ring. Khali destroyed a top turnbuckle. Low blow by Kane with the chain with the referee distracted. Kane slammed Khali! Kane went for a chokeslam, but Khali hit a two handed slam and pinned Kane at 5:31. After the match, Khali wrapped the chain around Kane's neck.

Winner: The Great Khali

- They aired an all grown up video for the divas.

Backstage Dance-Off

Backstage, Cryme Tyme chatted with Eugene. They do the extreme expose, but the music stops and Moolah and Mae Young come out and dance with Eugune. The return of Slick! Slick comes out and dances. Yes! Dusty Rhodes comes in still dressed in a tux and starts dancing with Jimmy Hart, Sgt. Slaughter and Mike Rotunda. In comes Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat with his handband and all. In walks Ron Simmons and says "Damn." They all continue to dance to the "roof is on fire."

- They show members of the Detroit Tigers sitting ringside. Yes, go Tigers!

WWE United States Championship Title Match:

Benoit went for the crossfire early, but MVP was able to counter. Benoit tried the sharpshooter, but MVP again countered. Even with some solid mat wrestling, fans are pretty flat. Benoit did three German suplexes on MVP. Benoit climbed to the top rope, but MVP ran over and head butted the U.S. champion. MVP superplexed Benoit, but Benoit countered on the mat and nearly pinned his challenger. MVP got a 2 1/2 count followed a clothesline. Benoit went for the crossface, but couldn't lock it in. Benoit hit two German suplexes, but MVP blocked the third attempt. Benoit followed it up with a three more German suplexes. Benoit hit a diving headbutt from the top rope to win the match at 9:19.

Winner: Chris Benoit

- They aired an Undertaker Wrestlemania video.

- Backstage, Donald Trump is with his former Miss USA Tera on his cell phone. As Trump talks on the phone, the lights dim and the Boogeyman comes up from behind Trump. Tara runs off, but Trump isn't scared and tells him to get him a sandwich.

- They plugged that WWE returns to PPV on 4/29 for Backlash.

Hall Of Fame Segment:

- They announced the attendance as 80,103.

- Lilian Garcia introduced Howard Finkel, who brought out the WWE hall of fame class of 2007. Muraco wheeled out Mr. Fuji on a wheel chair. Mr. Perfect was represented by Larry "The Ax" Hennig and Curt's wife.

- In AT&T mobile voting, people are picking The Undertaker to beat Batista tonight, 82 to 18%.

- They aired a Batista-Undertaker highlight package.

- Teddy Long did the ring introductions.

World Heavyweight Championship:

Batista came out first. The druids and fire came out, followed by The Undertaker. The match started with the two brawling on the outside, and Batista rammed The Undertaker's knee into the ring steps. Batista came off the top rope via a tackle, but The Undertaker kicked out of the first pin fall attempt. The crowd is really popping for The Undertaker's offense. The Undertaker hit a boot to the face, followed by a leg drop, but the champion kicked out of a pin fall attept. The Undertaker went old school with his top rope walk. Batista blocked a chokeslam attempt by The Undertaker. Fans started a "lets to Taker" chant. On the outside ring apron, Undertaker leg dropped Batista. The Undertaker jumped over the top rope crashing into Batista on the arena floor. Taker brawled with Batista on the outside, including crashing the Undertaker into steps near Lilian Garcia's announce table. Batista placed Undertaker on the announcer's table, as fans booed. A running powerslam by Batista on a second announcer's table left the Undertaker flat on his back on the floor. Batista pushed Taker back into the ring, but Undertaker kicked out of Batista's pin fall attempt. Batista hit a belly to belly suplex, but Taker kicked out again. The Undertaker hit the last ride, but Batista kicked out. Spinbuster by Batista, but Undertaker got right back up. Chokeslam by Taker, but Batista kicked out. Spinbuster by Batista, but Undertaker got right back up. Chokeslam by Taker, but Batista kicked out. Batista signaled for the end, but a spear by Batista. Batista bomb, but Taker kicked out. Taker blocked a second Batista attempt. Taker regain control and hit the tombstone piledriver to win the World Heavyweight title at 15:47. 15-0! In the ring, Taker dropped to his knee and held up the world title belt. Pyro went off and Undertaker celebrated his title victory.

Winner: NEW CHAMPION THE UNDERTAKER!!!

ECW Original vs. The New Breed:

The Sandman dropped a leg on Striker, and attempted the first pin fall. Crowd is dead again. Burke hit the elijah express on Dreamer.The New Breed did quick tags to keep Dreamer in the ring. Dreamer made the hot tag to RVD, but no one seems to care about this match. RVD monkey flipped Striker, followed by rolling thunder. Dreamer hit the DDT on Striker, but Burke hit Dreamer from behind. RVD hit the five star frog splash on Striker and wins the match at 6:26.

The Originals: The ECW Originals

- They aired a Steve Austin all grown up video.

- They plugged that Wrestlemania 24 will be held in Orlando, FL.

- They introducted boxing legend Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns at ringside.

- They aired the celebs commenting on whom they would like to see bald headed tonight, Vince McMahon or Donald Trump.

- They brought out a barber shop on wheels coming down the entrance ramp.

Battle Of The Billionaires: Umaga vs. Lashley

Miss Teen USA, Miss USA and Miss Universe gave Vince the thumbs down as he came out first.As Trump came out, they dropped money from the ceiling again. JR said that Donald Trump was the most searched name on the internet this weekend. Austin came out with a referee shirt without any sleeves. Great reaction for Austin. Lashley pulled Estrada into the ring, gave him a running powerslam, and tossed him out of the ring. Umaga jumped over the top rope, but missed his target. Umaga splashed the ECW champion for the first pin fall attempt. Umaga wouldn't break a choke hold, and Austin got into Umaga's face. Austin eventually had to pull Umaga off Lashley by yanking on Umaga's hair. Mr. McMahon encourged Umaga, and the IC champion hit a Samoan drop. Vince got up on the apron, but Lashley backed into him knocking him to the floor. Both men were on the mat, and Austin counted to nine, but with both guys still down, Austin wouldn't declare the match over. Shane McMahon came out to help up his father. Shane came up on the apron, distracted Austin and Umaga gave Stone Cold the Samoan spike. Shane and Umaga double teamed Lashley. Vince tossed a trash can to his son, and Shane-O-Mac went coast to coast into the trash can set up on Lashley in one corner. Shane pulled off his shirt, to reveal a referee shirt. Umaga came off the rop rope onto Lashley, and as Shane counted, Austin pulled Shane out of the ring. Another Samoan spike by Umaga on Austin. Donald attacked Mr. McMahon! Austin blocked a third Samoan Spike, and stunned Umaga. Lashley hits his finisher for the victory.

Winner: Bobby Lashley

Austin pulled Vince into the ring. Shane attacks Austin from behind, but a Lou Thesz by Austin. Austin stunners Shane. Vince tried to sneak away, but Lashley ran after him on the entrance ramp and brought him back. Austin stunners Vince, and places him into the barber's chair which they brought into the ring. Trump brought out clippers. Lashley and Trump start cutting Vince's hair off. Lots of gray under there.Well, it was really Vince's hair. After they shave him, Trump and Lashley use hand razors and make sure to remove any left over hair. Austin starts to drink a beer. Vince falls out of the chair when he sees himself in a mirror. Afterwards, Austin drinks beer with Lashley and Trump and Vince walks away. Austin stunners Trump and walks away! Austin walks away drinking beer as Lashley helps up Trump. They show Vince's shaved off hair in the ring.

Lumberjill match for the Women's title: Melina vs. Ashley. I think they have brought out every diva on the roster for this one to surround the ring including the expose girls. Melina wins a terrible match at 3:14.After the match, the lumberjills got into a quick pull apart. Its too bad they didn't air the tag team battle royal instead of this one.

Winner: Melina

- They aired a HBK all grown up video.

- AT&T Mobile voting: Cena over HBK, 59% to 41%.

WWE Championship Match: HBK vs. John Cena

Cena comes in driving a Mustang through the street of Detroit, and break through the Wrestlemania glass inside Ford Field. JR points out that the WWE title has been defended 22 times at Wrestlemania, and the challenger has won 15 times. Bell rings at 10:08 ET, so they must have a sold half an hour for this one. Before the match, a fan runs into the ring, but it wasn't acknowledged. No hand shake, in fact, HBK gave Cena the crotch chop to start the match. Cena hits HBK with a clothesline, and the fans booed the champ. HBK countered Cena with a Lou Thesz press. Mike Chiota is the referee. HBK hip tosses Cena from the ring onto the floor and gives Cena a Ric Flair chest chop. Springboard moonsault by HBK on the outside, landed the champion onto JR and Lawler's announcer's table. HBK rammed Cena's knee into the ring post, as HBK continued to work on the champ's left leg. The referee asked Cena if he wants to continue, as HBK to work over the left leg. Fans come across as lukewarm to the match, as after all, they have been sitting for along time. HBK chops Cena, which got the usual "Whooaa" chant. Cena and HBK brawled in the corner. Cena continues to sell the left leg. HBK's head struck the ring post, which cut him open. Fans continue to boo Cena's offense. You can't see me, followed by the five knuckle shuffle by the WWE champion. HBK blocked the FU attempt. HBK superkicked the referee as Cena ducked. Michaels countered another FU attempt with a DDT. On the outside, HBK gives Cena a piledriver on the ring steps. This cuts open the back of the head of the WWE champion. Jack Doane, a second referee runs out, but Cena kicks out at 2 as HBK went for the victory. HBK drops an elbow from the top rope. HBK tunes up the super kick, but Cena counters with a clothesline. Fans continue to cheer HBK, and boo Cena. Cena hits the FU, but couldn't make the cover fast enough. HBK blocked a FU attempt from the ropes. The two counter each other moves, as both go for the win. **** by Cena. Micheals makes it to the ropes. Sweet chin music by HBK, but Michaels isn't able to make the cover quick enough. Both men laid on the mat as the referee started to give the 10 count. They got up at nine. More counters, **** again by Cena in the middle of the ring. HBK taps out at 28:21, Cena wins. Cena raised the spinning belt, as more pyro goes off. JR said this one as for his father, John Cena Sr.

Winner: John Cena



WOW, WHAT A GREAT EVENT!

[Jay]

Glad Cena won. Boston dominates all haha...

[bearsfan_51]

Wow. I predicted every single match except for the ECW one, even the Money in the Bank.

I would bet about 6,000 dollars that there will be a Cena-Michaels rematch at Backlash. Everytime I think they're going to turn Cena heel they don't. There are almost no strong heels in the WWE right now.

[islandboy843]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo

Cena won

[bearsfan_51]

As much as they need to get the belt on someone else, that person is not Shawn Michaels. A title run for Michaels right now would make no sense. They need a heel on Raw to win the title.

[Jay]

I think Kennedy.... Kennedy is going to go to Raw and fued with Cena...

[NIN1984]

It would have been nice to see Shawn Michaels win the title, he’s still the most entertaining wrestler today.

Would have been awesome to see Undertaker and Shawn both champs at the same time, them guys have been around forever.

[bearsfan_51]

It would have been nice to see Shawn Michaels win the title, he’s still the most entertaining wrestler today.

Would have been awesome to see Undertaker and Shawn both champs at the same time, them guys have been around forever.

Which is why it makes little sense to give them the title. I would be shocked if Undertaker holds the title for more than 3-4 months (similar to Hogan's title run of a few years ago).

The only reason why they gave Taker the belt is out of respect for what he's done at Wrestlemania (and it's clear the head brass views Cena as more of a star than Batista).

[the_legend_killer]

The best thing about tonight was the fact that Mr. Kennedy is now Mr. Money in the Bank







Bank!

[jagsfreak27]

If anybody taped it post it on youtube please :)

[portermvp84]

All the matches except Kane and the Great Kali's were good. It was cool to start out with the money in the back ladder match first. That was probably one of the best matches besides the undertake and cena matches.

[Vikes99ej]

I knew they wouldn't let Umaga and McMahon win, not after Lashley got his ass beat last Monday.

[Jay]

If anybody taped it post it on youtube please :)

Here is the Hardy/Edge spot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYhZD8LofTo

Pretty bad view, but you can see a better one on the highlight video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYhZD8LofTo

[jagsfreak27]

Those are the same links ?

[gonzo1105]

My buddy who is a big wrestling fan says Edge's getting out of matches has really been due to him being pretty badly nicked up lately and that was a hard bump to take last night for a guy with bad injuries. The stretcher was obviously set-up to get him out of the match quite early to keep him from getting injured anymore. Obviously, getting out on the stretcher means he wont be on the next couple Raws wrestling while they wait for him to recover

[BigDawg819]

My buddy who is a big wrestling fan says Edge's getting out of matches has really been due to him being pretty badly nicked up lately and that was a hard bump to take last night for a guy with bad injuries. The stretcher was obviously set-up to get him out of the match quite early to keep him from getting injured anymore. Obviously, getting out on the stretcher means he wont be on the next couple Raws wrestling while they wait for him to recover

Well Rob Van Dam did break Edge's jaw in the Money in the Bank qualifying match a couple of months ago so that may have something to do with him not wrestling as much?

[Splat]

It would have been nice to see Shawn Michaels win the title, he’s still the most entertaining wrestler today.


I would have to disagree with that.

[TH3]

I think this was a good 'Mania since it was really plan B ever since HHH got injured

[jagsfreak27]

HHH not being there made it better lol

[jagsfreak27]

To make the battle of the billionares more intresting they should of made it a double championship match as well that would be sweet.

[BigDawg819]

To make the battle of the billionares more intresting they should of made it a double championship match as well that would be sweet.

Yeah because the ECW Title isn't enough of a joke so let's give Lashley the IC Title as well so then he has 2 Titles he won't defend!

[bearsfan_51]

Yeah because the ECW Title isn't enough of a joke so let's give Lashley the IC Title as well so then he has 2 Titles he won't defend!
Lashley defends the ECW title way more than the other two do.

[BigDawg819]

Lashley defends the ECW title way more than the other two do.

While that is a true statement, the ECW Title is still a joke. When was the last time an ECW Wrestler actually got a title shot? Will there be an actual storyline in ECW concerning the actual ECW Title? I mean the 2 biggest stars are arguably Bobby Lashley and C.M. Punk and they wrestle on Raw and Smackdown as much as if not more then on ECW.

[bearsfan_51]

While that is a true statement, the ECW Title is still a joke. When was the last time an ECW Wrestler actually got a title shot? Will there be an actual storyline in ECW concerning the actual ECW Title? I mean the 2 biggest stars are arguably Bobby Lashley and C.M. Punk and they wrestle on Raw and Smackdown as much as if not more then on ECW.
Well they are going to integrate the PPV's from now on (don't know if you knew this) so I would imagine that ECW wrestlers will be on the PPV's quite more frequently now.

[comahan]

The current ECW Title is simply a glorified TV title. He defends it every week on TV and rarely on ppv's.

Anywho, my opinions ;

MITB : Fun match. Kennedy has a great future ahead of him. I really enjoyed his iview afterwards as well. The big spot with Edge was likely done to get him out of the match fast as he has a legit jaw injury as stated above. That is also the reason he has been using heel tactics to weasel out of matches, which I think has been great, even tho i love watching him wrestle. Nonetheless, that was a crazy spot, and Jeff Hardy is insane for always doing this stuff. I love the fact that they had all 6 commentators going at once, and they blended a lot better than i thought they would. Orton's RKO after RKO was fun, especially the one to Punk off the ladder, which was sold well also. They really did tease a Punk win, which I would have freaked out over, half in happiness, half in nervousness as he hasnt been built up well enough yet for that type of spot. But in the end, the man i wanted to win, won. Good match.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l31/shiningidentity/Chatterdom/jeffomg2.gif

Khali/Kane : This was um, ugly. And thats being kind. Kane deserves a medal for all the ******** that they have put him thru over the years.

The skit in the back : This was amazing. Slik was there. Dusty Rhodes was there. Patterson and Briscoe showed up, and then RICKY THE DRAGHON STEAMBOAT~ omg!

MVP/Benoit : MVP's entrance was suh-weet. I love MVP, everything about him. His entrance, the pyro, the ridiculous outfit, the cockiness, the BALLIN~~ elbow drop, everything. And he put on a good show with a stud of a wrestler in Benoit. I was somewhat disappointed that Benoit won, not because I dont like him, i love him. But because I think they could have set up a Benoit/Taker feud afterwards, somewhat mirroring the great Taker/Angle feud of last year. It would have also legitimized MVP, but I think his performance did that on its own. Good match, though I wished they had gone on a bit longer.

Taker/Batista : Was way better than I expected. The crowd was great for this match. Takers entrance was nice, though It was his typical WM entrance and I was hoping for more for this one. Oh well. The Running powerslam thru the table was nice. Taker over the top was awesome. The last ride/kickout into choke slam/kickout, into Batista Bomb/kickout, into the tombstone for the win had me on edge, as I really had no idea who was going to win, but was extremely hopeful toward Taker. Again, good match. I think this match had more of a main event atmosphere.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/taker.gif

New Breed vs Originals : Too short, but was fun while it lasted. I love Matt Striker and his overselling of everything. Dreamer got a DDT in so im hapy for him. Cor Von and Burke will be stars.

Battle of the Billionaires : Shane saved this match for me. I love the Van terminator. Actually, I love Shane as a whole. The after match shenanigans was fun i guess. Stunners to uh, a lot of people. Trump sold that awfully.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/shaneomac.gif

Melina/Ashley : Time filler. Getting the crowd ready for the main event. But still, what an awful match.

Cena/Michaels : Pretty good. The one thing that pissed me off was Cena no-selling the leg after HBK had worked on it, I hate that. Batista does it all the time, which is one reason I cant stand the bastard. That said, Ive grown to like Cena simply due to the effort he gives, his love of the business, and the way he represents the business. Michaels did some nice things, and that reversal sequence was sweet, but I would have rather seen Taker winning and sending the crowd hoim happy at the end, rather than Cena winning and the Anto-Cena crowd going home pissed off.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/moonsault.gif

Overall : Good show, Mania's always deliver. My fav part of the night was Taker winning the title, as he hasnt looked this good, physically, and wrestling wise in years. and he is one of, if not my all time favorite. My hope for Kennedy is that he goes over to raw to feud with Michaels, Cena, and maybe Trips when he comes back. A change of scenery is needed, as he has feuded with Batista and Taker already. Also, id love to see Punk moved to the midcard of Smackdown, or Raw. A US Title feud with Benoit, a feud with Hardy, Finlay, MVP, all of those would deliver great matches.

[Splat]

The current ECW Title is simply a glorified TV title. He defends it every week on TV and rarely on ppv's.

Anywho, my opinions ;

MITB : Fun match. Kennedy has a great future ahead of him. I really enjoyed his iview afterwards as well. The big spot with Edge was likely done to get him out of the match fast as he has a legit jaw injury as stated above. That is also the reason he has been using heel tactics to weasel out of matches, which I think has been great, even tho i love watching him wrestle. Nonetheless, that was a crazy spot, and Jeff Hardy is insane for always doing this stuff. I love the fact that they had all 6 commentators going at once, and they blended a lot better than i thought they would. Orton's RKO after RKO was fun, especially the one to Punk off the ladder, which was sold well also. They really did tease a Punk win, which I would have freaked out over, half in happiness, half in nervousness as he hasnt been built up well enough yet for that type of spot. But in the end, the man i wanted to win, won. Good match.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l31/shiningidentity/Chatterdom/jeffomg2.gif

Khali/Kane : This was um, ugly. And thats being kind. Kane deserves a medal for all the ******** that they have put him thru over the years.

The skit in the back : This was amazing. Slik was there. Dusty Rhodes was there. Patterson and Briscoe showed up, and then RICKY THE DRAGHON STEAMBOAT~ omg!

MVP/Benoit : MVP's entrance was suh-weet. I love MVP, everything about him. His entrance, the pyro, the ridiculous outfit, the cockiness, the BALLIN~~ elbow drop, everything. And he put on a good show with a stud of a wrestler in Benoit. I was somewhat disappointed that Benoit won, not because I dont like him, i love him. But because I think they could have set up a Benoit/Taker feud afterwards, somewhat mirroring the great Taker/Angle feud of last year. It would have also legitimized MVP, but I think his performance did that on its own. Good match, though I wished they had gone on a bit longer.

Taker/Batista : Was way better than I expected. The crowd was great for this match. Takers entrance was nice, though It was his typical WM entrance and I was hoping for more for this one. Oh well. The Running powerslam thru the table was nice. Taker over the top was awesome. The last ride/kickout into choke slam/kickout, into Batista Bomb/kickout, into the tombstone for the win had me on edge, as I really had no idea who was going to win, but was extremely hopeful toward Taker. Again, good match. I think this match had more of a main event atmosphere.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/taker.gif

New Breed vs Originals : Too short, but was fun while it lasted. I love Matt Striker and his overselling of everything. Dreamer got a DDT in so im hapy for him. Cor Von and Burke will be stars.

Battle of the Billionaires : Shane saved this match for me. I love the Van terminator. Actually, I love Shane as a whole. The after match shenanigans was fun i guess. Stunners to uh, a lot of people. Trump sold that awfully.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/shaneomac.gif

Melina/Ashley : Time filler. Getting the crowd ready for the main event. But still, what an awful match.

Cena/Michaels : Pretty good. The one thing that pissed me off was Cena no-selling the leg after HBK had worked on it, I hate that. Batista does it all the time, which is one reason I cant stand the bastard. That said, Ive grown to like Cena simply due to the effort he gives, his love of the business, and the way he represents the business. Michaels did some nice things, and that reversal sequence was sweet, but I would have rather seen Taker winning and sending the crowd hoim happy at the end, rather than Cena winning and the Anto-Cena crowd going home pissed off.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/moonsault.gif

Overall : Good show, Mania's always deliver. My fav part of the night was Taker winning the title, as he hasnt looked this good, physically, and wrestling wise in years. and he is one of, if not my all time favorite. My hope for Kennedy is that he goes over to raw to feud with Michaels, Cena, and maybe Trips when he comes back. A change of scenery is needed, as he has feuded with Batista and Taker already. Also, id love to see Punk moved to the midcard of Smackdown, or Raw. A US Title feud with Benoit, a feud with Hardy, Finlay, MVP, all of those would deliver great matches.

Nice break down.

[comahan]

More GIF's, as I can only post 4 per post (uhgg.....................)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/mvp.gif

MVP's entrance. So sweet~


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/powerslam.gif

Batista powerslam on Taker thru the announce table.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/stunner.gif

Trump taking the stunner awfully.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/piledriver.gif

Gd I love old school piledrivers.

[comahan]

More GIF's !~


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/ricky.gif

Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. ~@@#!@!!@!!! I loved this so much.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/hornswaggle.gif

Mr. Kennedy with the Green Bay Plunge onto the Little Bastard!!


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/slick.gif

Slik.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/spinerooni.gif

A Spinaroonie! A WRESTLEMANIA Spinaroonie!

[BigDawg819]

Coma you made my day with these GIF's! :D

[bigrick0016]

Mahan is also > Jesus BUT Grady Sizemore > Mahan and Jesus combined

[the_legend_killer]

More GIF's !~


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/ricky.gif

Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. ~@@#!@!!@!!! I loved this so much.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/hornswaggle.gif

Mr. Kennedy with the Green Bay Plunge onto the Little Bastard!!


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/slick.gif

Slik.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/spinerooni.gif

A Spinaroonie! A WRESTLEMANIA Spinaroonie!

Wow, great .gifs

[comahan]

In reference to your name Legend Killer, I give you an RKO on CM Punk off of a ladder from last night.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/rko.gif

[BigDawg819]

RKO of a Ladder.......... BRILLIANT!



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f12/wrobel8/brilliant.jpg

[the_legend_killer]

In reference to your name Legend Killer, I give you an RKO on CM Punk off of a ladder from last night.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/rko.gif

Oh, phenomenal! Any chance of you making one with a closeup of Ken Kennedy giving the "............Kennedy!"?

[comahan]

Well, I dont make them, but here are some kennedy gifs from last night. The first one is him saying what you requested.

http://i5.tinypic.com/30w8ah2.gif|http://i14.tinypic.com/4hcrrif.gif


And heres another Orton one

http://i13.tinypic.com/46z9083.gif


And heres CM Punk !

http://i7.tinypic.com/4g4g5nd.gif

[comahan]

Ah, Taker GIF time! It was his night!

http://i13.tinypic.com/2d9qnnc.gif

Old School!


http://i3.tinypic.com/3z6tm60.gif

A flying deadman. Brilliant.


http://i12.tinypic.com/2z5kxl3.gif

The Winning Tombstone.


http://i7.tinypic.com/47cf2p3.gif

Post-Match.

[LTgiants]

HARDYZ ARE THE NEW TAG CHAMPS THEY WON A 10 MAN TAG TEAM BATTLE ROYAL

after hbk elimnated cena

(even though theyre really wasnt 10)

the first battle royal had 8 teams and the 2nd one had 9 teams

[WMD]

Yeah there aren't any spoilers or anything in the post above me!

Any GIFs of the Jeff Hardy leg drop onto Edge?

[the_legend_killer]

Comahan = .gif finding god of the universe

[BigDawg819]

A solid RAW for being the post-Wrestlemania one. A HBK heel run..... I like it!

[bearsfan_51]

Yeah there aren't any spoilers or anything in the post above me!

Any GIFs of the Jeff Hardy leg drop onto Edge?
He said it after the fact, I don't think that counts as a spoiler.

[bigrick0016]

The WWE is making me loathe Bobby Lashley. The problem is, I never really wanted to hate him.

[jagsfreak27]

Do we have any links for hair vs hair videos

[toonsterwu]

Is it a definite HBK heel run? I think it might be a more "edgy" HBK, but not necessary a true heel. That said, admittedly, I only take a cursory look at wrestling these days, at best. But considering his religious convictions and how they had to "protect" him during the DX skits ths last few months, I'm not sold he'll go full heel. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if they made a turn at Backlash and pushed Cena as heel. He needs a change. I'm not a Cena-hater, as I like the character, but I think he's had such a long run as champ (with the Edge hiccup) with basically the same character that it might be time to turn him heel akin to how HHH went after the original DX.

That said, Vince McMahon seems to love Cena, and it wouldn't surprise me if he kept Cena, in the same role, as champ as sort of a screw you to the fans.

I think they took the right step in mixing up the promotions for the PPV's. Just not enough talent on the rosters right now.

My guess is Ken Anderson (Mr. Kennedy) probably challenges on RAW down the line. Makes no sense to do Kennedy/Undertaker, as my guess is Taker keeps the belt until summerslam.

Personally, if I was booking, I'd set up Kennedy (heel) vs. Punk (face) down the line for next year's Wrestlemania. The current ECW is a mess since Heyman left. In all honesty, I'd like to see ECW sort of used as a training ground. Send one or two of the guys with some potential there, akin to what they did with Lashley, whether intentionally or not (guys that come to mind: Carlito, Ken Doane (Ken Dykstra), Shelton Benjamin). Build them up for a year, and after each Wrestlemania, move them to Smackdown or Raw. Basically, use it as a step up from the feeders (OVW, DSW), but a place where they can get some TV time. Carlito going heel on ECW would fit, I think.

They've got to figure out what to do with Edge/Orton and a couple others. I think Edge might need to go back to Smackdown. I wonder if guys like Edge and Orton are getting punished a bit. Edge seemed on the edge of a young HHH push to title contender, but he's never made that real leap outside of a few weeks. The whole supplement scandal might hurt that move, but moving him away from Raw to Smackdown may make things better. Orton is probably still getting punished for all his transgressions in the past.

If it was me, I'd slide Edge over to Smackdown at the next lottery. Let Taker keep the belt until summerslam, and then have someone else take it (perhaps bring Chris Benoit into the picture, could get a good match out of Taker, albeit, face on face is always somewhat tricky, and I don't see a heel turn for Benoit relative to his current character). Benoit and Edge know each other fairly well, and then have Edge chase Benoit for awhile, and go with a goal of setting up, say, Edge (heel) vs. Lashley (face) (I think they need to get him off ECW). The other option might be to slide Edge and Orton both over to Smackdown, have one turn face, and if both guys get their acts together, then they face each other for the title come next year, continuing their feud all year long.

I'd slide Booker T and Kennedy over to Raw, and go with some Booker T vs. Cena matches after this whole Michaels/Cena run ends. I just don't see them giving the title to Michaels, and at his age, Michaels does a good job at putting guys over. Also, doesn't Michaels usually take a break at some point in the summer? Booker should get some solid work out of Cena, if Cena keeps the belt. I'd have Cena lose it at Summerslam to someone, though, probably not Booker, perhaps bringing in Kennedy at that point, perhaps some cheesy three way thing, where Cena doesn't actually lose (thus protecting him).

At some point, you know HHH is coming back. It was rumored to be HHH/Cena at Wrestlemania this year with HHH winning, and you know Paul Levesque's going to want that title back at some point. Maybe give Kennedy a run to Wrestlemania, where he would drop it to HHH.

I'd send Umaga over to ECW, and let him win the title from Lashley, freeing Lashley back up to go elsewhere. Umaga needs to be actually built, as it doesn't seem like much character development outside of squashes. I'd let Carlito stay face and beat Umaga at some point (Summerslam?), before turning heel and basically saying screw you to everyone and taking a heel run.

Supposedly Chris Jericho will come back to wrestling. That'd be interesting.

But eh, just my wrestling thoughts, and I don't really follow it all that much, so maybe I've missed stuff.

[Splat]

It was a pretty good Raw last night not great but good Jeff and Matt getting the tag belts was nice lets hope they beef up the tag Div it has been weak for a while.

[NIN1984]

Its so hard for Shawn Michaels to be heel, the fans always go crazy for him no matter what.

Cena should go heel no one really likes him anyway.

[comahan]

Yeah there aren't any spoilers or anything in the post above me!

Any GIFs of the Jeff Hardy leg drop onto Edge?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/jeffomg.gif|http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pubefaceMcGee/jeffomg2.gif

[villagewarrior]

I agree with a lot of Toon's assessments. One thing that angered me about Wrestlemania was it seemed like CM Punk was just cannon fodder for the other guys moves. He needs to be pushed.

Oh, and Coma, those gifs were great.

[comahan]

Is it a definite HBK heel run? I think it might be a more "edgy" HBK, but not necessary a true heel. That said, admittedly, I only take a cursory look at wrestling these days, at best. But considering his religious convictions and how they had to "protect" him during the DX skits ths last few months, I'm not sold he'll go full heel. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if they made a turn at Backlash and pushed Cena as heel. He needs a change. I'm not a Cena-hater, as I like the character, but I think he's had such a long run as champ (with the Edge hiccup) with basically the same character that it might be time to turn him heel akin to how HHH went after the original DX.

That said, Vince McMahon seems to love Cena, and it wouldn't surprise me if he kept Cena, in the same role, as champ as sort of a screw you to the fans.

I think they took the right step in mixing up the promotions for the PPV's. Just not enough talent on the rosters right now.

My guess is Ken Anderson (Mr. Kennedy) probably challenges on RAW down the line. Makes no sense to do Kennedy/Undertaker, as my guess is Taker keeps the belt until summerslam.

Personally, if I was booking, I'd set up Kennedy (heel) vs. Punk (face) down the line for next year's Wrestlemania. The current ECW is a mess since Heyman left. In all honesty, I'd like to see ECW sort of used as a training ground. Send one or two of the guys with some potential there, akin to what they did with Lashley, whether intentionally or not (guys that come to mind: Carlito, Ken Doane (Ken Dykstra), Shelton Benjamin). Build them up for a year, and after each Wrestlemania, move them to Smackdown or Raw. Basically, use it as a step up from the feeders (OVW, DSW), but a place where they can get some TV time. Carlito going heel on ECW would fit, I think.

They've got to figure out what to do with Edge/Orton and a couple others. I think Edge might need to go back to Smackdown. I wonder if guys like Edge and Orton are getting punished a bit. Edge seemed on the edge of a young HHH push to title contender, but he's never made that real leap outside of a few weeks. The whole supplement scandal might hurt that move, but moving him away from Raw to Smackdown may make things better. Orton is probably still getting punished for all his transgressions in the past.

If it was me, I'd slide Edge over to Smackdown at the next lottery. Let Taker keep the belt until summerslam, and then have someone else take it (perhaps bring Chris Benoit into the picture, could get a good match out of Taker, albeit, face on face is always somewhat tricky, and I don't see a heel turn for Benoit relative to his current character). Benoit and Edge know each other fairly well, and then have Edge chase Benoit for awhile, and go with a goal of setting up, say, Edge (heel) vs. Lashley (face) (I think they need to get him off ECW). The other option might be to slide Edge and Orton both over to Smackdown, have one turn face, and if both guys get their acts together, then they face each other for the title come next year, continuing their feud all year long.

I'd slide Booker T and Kennedy over to Raw, and go with some Booker T vs. Cena matches after this whole Michaels/Cena run ends. I just don't see them giving the title to Michaels, and at his age, Michaels does a good job at putting guys over. Also, doesn't Michaels usually take a break at some point in the summer? Booker should get some solid work out of Cena, if Cena keeps the belt. I'd have Cena lose it at Summerslam to someone, though, probably not Booker, perhaps bringing in Kennedy at that point, perhaps some cheesy three way thing, where Cena doesn't actually lose (thus protecting him).

At some point, you know HHH is coming back. It was rumored to be HHH/Cena at Wrestlemania this year with HHH winning, and you know Paul Levesque's going to want that title back at some point. Maybe give Kennedy a run to Wrestlemania, where he would drop it to HHH.

I'd send Umaga over to ECW, and let him win the title from Lashley, freeing Lashley back up to go elsewhere. Umaga needs to be actually built, as it doesn't seem like much character development outside of squashes. I'd let Carlito stay face and beat Umaga at some point (Summerslam?), before turning heel and basically saying screw you to everyone and taking a heel run.

Supposedly Chris Jericho will come back to wrestling. That'd be interesting.

But eh, just my wrestling thoughts, and I don't really follow it all that much, so maybe I've missed stuff.

- On Michaels I agree, Im not sure he is, or will be a full heel, but the HBK of last night is much more entertaining than the goofy one that runs alongside HHH, so im happy.

- Cena turning heel probably wont happen soon, though I know a LOT of people who would cheer for him if he turned heel. I think it would be a reversal of sorts in terms of crowd reactions. All of the kids and what not that cheer him would boo him, but a lot of the smart marks would cheer him because he really is a good heel, great wrestler or not. It would be 2003 (maybe 04?) all over again, where he is getting massively cheered as a heel and they decide to completely change his character in a babyface turn, instead of keeping him with what the crowds was cheering for. Oh well.

- I think the PPV's will still be somewhat brand specific. Such as Backlash will be mostly Raw stuff imo, but with maybe a Taker match or Kennedy match, and maybe a Lashley match.

- Again, I agree. There isnt really a point to feuding him with Taker or Batista again on Smackdown, and I think a change of scenery is needed for him anyway. Just as long as he doesnt turn into "one of those guys that Cena beats all the time".

- Ive heard the idea of ECW being a training ground of sorts before, being a step up from OVW, and a step down from the two main shows, and I think it makes sense. Though, I would personally keep Shelton in the WGTT with Hass, as the tag division is all but dead, and theyve all but given up on Shelton as a singles guy.

- Im still waiting for an Edge/HBK singles feud, dammit. They never faced off 1v1 during the DX/RKO feud, only in tag matches, and I think a Ladder match between the two could steal the show at say, Summerslam.

- I want a Benoit/Taker feud so badly. I wanted Benoit to drop the US Title to Benoit, as i think it would have helped both guys. I think MVP can carry a good midcard, and I think Benoit would have actually been helped by losing the belt, hopefully pushing him up to a taker feud. I think it would be very similar to the Angle feud taker had last year, which gave us an amazing match at No Way Out 06.

- I fear that they may turn Orton into a generic 'blue chipper' face again, and just like Cena, take away the character that currently gets him cheered. If he ends up turning face, he needs to keep the cocky attitude.

- With Punk, if I were the booker, would be sent to Raw. Punk can have a plethora of new opponents. (Punk/Dykstra, Punk/Carlito, Punk/Hardy) Umaga needs to drop the IC title, as im not even sure WWE knows he has it. Setup a long Punk/Nitro feud for the belt, hopefully elevating both guys, as well as the belt at the same time. Id say give punk a long IC title reign. On a PPV or two have Punk vs. Benoit in cross brand matches, perhaps at Summerslam. Benoit can do this after the Taker feud, if I had my way. Eventually he drops the belt to someone, and goes up into a feud with Kennedy, or Orton, or someone of that caliber.

- I like the idea of BOOKAH on Raw. Cena can transition from the Michaels feud (Edge and Orton seem to be cutting promos leading up to maybe a fatal 4 way, I dont know) to Cena/BOOKAH. From there I guess Kennedy can cash in (hey.... perhaps at.... SummerSlam!) and win the belt.

- HHH will come back soon, and as you said, hes a belt mark! I like the idea of Kennedy/Trips at Mania.

- With Umaga, i dont know. Maybe move him to SD and feud with Taker. I can actually see that being a good set of matches. Perhaps casket, or HIAC to finish it off.... at Summerslam!

(I kinda like my Summerslam card ; Cena/Kennedy For the WWE Title, Taker/Umaga HIAC for the WHC, Edge/Shawn Ladder Match (#1 Contender contract up above I guess), Punk/Benoit IC TItle Match. And I guess throw in the McMahon match that is rumored in Foley/McMahon (probably Street fight) and thats a pretty solid PPV :))

- Jericho is awesome. I want him back badly. I dont care which promotion dammit. I would freak out over "Raw is JERICHO!", or "Total NonStop JERICHO!". As long as hes back.

[BigDawg819]

If and when the Ayotollah of Rock-n-Rolla comes back it needs to be WWE for the sheer fact that TNA would waste him and that can't be allowed to happen! As for all these booking suggestions from toon and Coma, I love a lot of what I'm hearing and disliking a few suggestions. First of all I like the return of HHH and we all know he wants to retire with the record of most title reigns, I remember hearing that he also wants to stay a face ala DX so who knows what this HBK angle will do to that. As for HBK, he will be a crowd fav no matter what he does and after all his years its deservedly so. I would love for Randy Orton to get back to the main event level but as Coma said without losing the cockiness that makes him great. As for Edge, I honestly don't know anymore because while I like his heel tactics and wrestling its almost like he's stuck in limbo between the mid-card and main event.


The thing I want most in WWE is the re-establishment of the mid-cards and tag team divisions. Raw was special somewhat because we actually got to see some tag teams and its interesting to see what will happen with this division now. It looks as though Nitro is teaming with Miz to keep the "MNM" angle so which guy switches brands? The Hardyz won the straps so is Matt moving to Raw? London and Kendrick have been a dominate tag team and the longest reigning tag team in 18 years but they don't get a spot on Wrestlemania?


And why in the blue hell did Kane have to job to the Great Khali? Why? Its a God Damn Travesty to Kane!

[jagsfreak27]

I wonder if there doing the draft this year?

[comahan]

Well, There have been rumors of Kane wanting time off for his knee for a long time.

[BigDawg819]

Well, There have been rumors of Kane wanting time off for his knee for a long time.

I know these rumors but why do this to Kane? The Great Khali is a train wreck, his matches last about 15 seconds and he needs to be gone! The only thing worse then his matches would be when he attempts to speak English!

[Notredameleo]

I've been watching wrestling for about a year, and i was just wondering what these terms mean. I get that heal is a bad guy, and face is a good guy, but is SD, Raw, and ECW all owned by one person? Is that one person McMahon? Sorry if dumb questions.

[Notredameleo]

I wonder if there doing the draft this year?

Theres a draft in wrestling?

[BigDawg819]

I've been watching wrestling for about a year, and i was just wondering what these terms mean. I get that heal is a bad guy, and face is a good guy, but is SD, Raw, and ECW all owned by one person? Is that one person McMahon? Sorry if dumb questions.

Yes Smackdown, Raw, and ECW are all owned by the WWE and supposedly run as seperate brands but cross-promotion seems to have become the norm.

[comahan]

I know these rumors but why do this to Kane? The Great Khali is a train wreck, his matches last about 15 seconds and he needs to be gone! The only thing worse then his matches would be when he attempts to speak English!

Youre such a liar. Khali speaks perfect English.

[BigDawg819]

Youre such a liar. Khali speaks perfect English.

Yes because "I afkldfjashtsat;sadhtsdtgasg Kane" is coherent. :D

[comahan]

See, youre lying again. He cant say "kane".

[bearsfan_51]

I like the Great Khali. He's really big and scary. The end.

[BigDawg819]

See, youre lying again. He cant say "kane".

I thought the whole reason that Daivari had a job was to be that idiots mouthpiece ala Mr. Fuji with Yokozuna?

[comahan]

Best Tag Team ever.

The Great Khali & Umaga w/ Armando Alejandro Estrada.

[comahan]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4333/mvpballinrd7.gif

BALLIN!~!~~~

[Splat]

Best Tag Team ever.

The Great Khali & Umaga w/ Armando Alejandro Estrada.

You have to be joking Khali is by far the worst wrestler out the guy only knows like three moves and all of them are pretty weak the only reason he is still around is because his size.

[comahan]

It was obviously a joke.

[comahan]

Colt Cabana To Say Farewell To ROH
Tuesday, April 03, 2007

Colt Cabana has been a staple on ROH's roster since December 2002. After a great run it is now time for Cabana to move on with his career. Cabana has signed a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment. His final date with ROH will be the 4/28 event in Chicago, which will now be called "Good Times, Great Memories." Cabana will also be on the 4/13 Long Island, 4/14 Edison and 4/27 St. Paul events (tickets now on sale for all these shows at www.ROHwrestling.com (http://www.rohwrestling.com/) or by calling 215-781-2500).

"For the past four and a half years the only consistent thing in my life has been ROH," Cabana said. "ROH has been my home and family. The Chicago show on April 28th is not going to be a farewell, but a celebration. We are going to celebrate how great ROH is and will continue to be. It's not going to be a good bye, its going to be a "Seeya later". Thanks for all the good time, and great memories!"

Cabana, a two time ROH Tag Team Champion with CM Punk, has given ROH fans countless great matches and entertaining moments. Cabana has done it all during the course of his ROH career. He has dominated the tag scene, been involved in classic title matches, put on some of the most entertaining bouts in ROH history and when it came time to fight it out Cabana was deadly serious. Cabana's promos have been always been a highlight of ROH DVDs. Cabana's contributions to ROH will be felt forever.

Cabana's final ROH opponent will be Adam Pearce. Cabana requested Pearce due to their history in the business together. The issue between Cabana and Pearce started in ROH last weekend in Detroit. Cabana's final ROH run looks like this:

-4/13 Long Island: Cabana vs. Delirious
-4/14 Edison: Cabana vs. Doug Williams
-4/27 St. Paul: Cabana & Homicide vs. Adam Pearce & Brent Albright Anything Goes Match
-4/28 Chicago: Cabana vs. Adam Pearce

Join us as we say goodbye to a ROH classic. We'll have more on Cabana's history in ROH soon on the main page of ROHwrestling.com.

-ROHwrestling.com

[jagsfreak27]

Theres a draft in wrestling? For the past few years right after wrestlemania they have had a draft for people to change shows for example last year.
Batista went to SD
Cena went to Raw

[portermvp84]

I'm sure this yera they will include ECW in the mix. ECW isn't a bad brand it's just underrated.

[portermvp84]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4333/mvpballinrd7.gif

BALLIN!~!~~~

Chris Benoit so kicked his monkey ass.

[comahan]

Hey hey HEY! No passing over the huge COLT CABANA TO WWE news! :D


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/09/Colt_Cabana5.jpg/200px-Colt_Cabana5.jpg

Colt.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/Punkcabana.jpg/171px-Punkcabana.jpg

Colt w/ CM Punk as Tag champs


http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/uploads/ttw11playboy.jpg

Colt Cabana in a twinkie suit.

[BigDawg819]

So what's Colt's move? WWE or TNA or overseas?

[comahan]

Huh?

He signed with WWE, meaning he'll probably be in OVW for a bit before coming up to one of the three mains.

[BigDawg819]

Huh?

He signed with WWE

Thank you sir I was unaware of his signing. :D

[jagsfreak27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NmemjjnMTA Some australian kid posted the whold Wrestlemania here is Umaga vs Lashley

[comahan]

Just go to Dailymotion.com, all the wrestlemania videos are there, and numerous other events.

[toonsterwu]

Random contemplation on Backlash:

On paper, this looks boring.

Tag belts - Not going to switch so quick. So whoever the Hardy's face, such as TWGTT (or whatever they are called, or whoever else is out there), probably isn't going to win.

Intercontinental - This is really a lost belt. Who has it? Do they even know or care? And they are going to build up credible heat for that belt this quick after basically forgetting about it. I think Umaga has it, and I think they need him to drop it to move him on to other areas, but I think they'll probably revisit Umaga vs. Lashley. Although ... that might not be a bad thing. Have Umaga beat Lashley to take the ECW title, and forfeit the Intercontinental, and spend a few post-Backlash weeks building up a tourny to draw some roles in, and tourny's always allow for the potential face/heel switches.

Whatever the title Cena has is called (World Championship? World Heavywieight? whatever) - It's looking like Cena vs. Michaels, with the likelihodd being Cena winning. Actually, I think it'd be a nice way to start a Cena heel turn if they have Michaels win, but I don't see it. If Michaels win, Cena can come out, hear the boos, and then just say screw you to everyone at the end of the show.

Was randomly contemplating this, but maybe they should go with a three way (Orton/michaels/Cena), have Orton win the title in a fluke, and let Orton/Edge have their controversy out right now until Summerslam. Edge is probably out until post-Backlash, allowing him to come back at that point. They can spend another month on a final Michaels/Cena duel, before moving everyone else on. TOo bad HHH won't let Michaels go to Smackdown, or whatever the arrangement is, as Michaels could really help out some of the green talent there.

The Taker Belt (whatever it's called) - I'll be surprised if it isn't a Taker/Batista redux. They aren't going to put on a better match then they did at Wrestlemania, though.

Probably see Carlito/Flair in some roles after getting jobbed, some useless matches involving, dunno, guys like Nitro/Masters/MVP or whatever. Actually ... hmm ... I'd like to see them go Monty Brown vs. CM Punk from ECW. I think that'd be a great combo for athleticism.
__________

Btw, while I don't like HHH or Jeff Jarrett, at least HHH married into the family. Jarrett's not that good at all ... and I'm not sure he'd get all these chances if his pops wasn't Jerry Jarrett. Samoa Joe really doesn't get enough of a push in TNA. The only reason I'd like to see Jericho in TNA is to see Jericho vs. Styles, which I think could make a lot of money.

As you can see, I'm a bit bored today.

[757Dawg]

Ahhh, wrestling.

I watched WWF religiously from 1990 to right about 2001. Never missed an episode of Raw until '01. I've turned it on occasionally every now and then for the past few years, but it's clearly been in a state of decadence.

IMO, pro wrestling reached it's pinnacle in the mid to late-90's. The WWF-WCW ratings war was at it's peak and both promotions were putting together quality products. The NWO, DX, the Stone Cold - McMahon feud, etc. It was definitely the golden era for the business.

Regardless of what adolescent fan boys will say, pro wrestling has been in a steady decline since the start of the decade. For those of you who grew up as fans from the late 80's through the 90's, you know what I'm talking about.

I guess once you reach the college ago though, this kind of product just loses all appeal. Oh well, it gave me entertaining for over a decade. I can't complain.

[comahan]

Some Backlash predictions of mine;

WWE Title
Fatal 4-Way Match
John Cena [c] vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton vs. Edge

Womens Title
Melina [c] vs. Mickie James

World Heavyweight Title
The Undertaker [c] vs. King Booker

World Tag Team Titles
The Hardy Boyz [c] vs. Ric Flair & Carlito

ECW Title
Bobby Lashley [c] vs. Snitsky

Extreme Rules
The ECW Originals (RVD, Sabu, Dreamer, Sabu) vs. The New Breed (Burke, Cor Von, Thorn, Striker)



- Id think they would involve Kennedy somehow.

- I would also think theyd add Umaga defending the IC title against someone.. but i mean, who?

- They will probably save the Benoit/MVP rematch for Judgment day (SD PPV).

- Batista vs. Finlay is possible, i guess. I could see a WM rematch, but id really rather not. (I loathe Batista)

- Id love for Punk to be on the card, and Id love a Cor Von/Punk feud, but I cant really see it happening, as the New Breed is trying to recruit punk, but that can always change in the next few weeks. Hell, it might tonight.

[toonsterwu]

Ahhh, wrestling.

I watched WWF religiously from 1990 to right about 2001. Never missed an episode of Raw until '01. I've turned it on occasionally every now and then for the past few years, but it's clearly been in a state of decadence.

IMO, pro wrestling reached it's pinnacle in the mid to late-90's. The WWF-WCW ratings war was at it's peak and both promotions were putting together quality products. The NWO, DX, the Stone Cold - McMahon feud, etc. It was definitely the golden era for the business.

Regardless of what adolescent fan boys will say, pro wrestling has been in a steady decline since the start of the decade. For those of you who grew up as fans from the late 80's through the 90's, you know what I'm talking about.

I guess once you reach the college ago though, this kind of product just loses all appeal. Oh well, it gave me entertaining for over a decade. I can't complain.

I actually haven't watched a single wrestling show in ... hmm ... 8 years maybe. Last one I followed was in high school I think. I follow it online though, sort of a thing to look at when I get bored.

[lionsfan320]

Ahhh, wrestling.

I watched WWF religiously from 1990 to right about 2001. Never missed an episode of Raw until '01. I've turned it on occasionally every now and then for the past few years, but it's clearly been in a state of decadence.

IMO, pro wrestling reached it's pinnacle in the mid to late-90's. The WWF-WCW ratings war was at it's peak and both promotions were putting together quality products. The NWO, DX, the Stone Cold - McMahon feud, etc. It was definitely the golden era for the business.

Regardless of what adolescent fan boys will say, pro wrestling has been in a steady decline since the start of the decade. For those of you who grew up as fans from the late 80's through the 90's, you know what I'm talking about.

I guess once you reach the college ago though, this kind of product just loses all appeal. Oh well, it gave me entertaining for over a decade. I can't complain.

very true. you poor young children have no idea what wrestling is.

did you know wrestling existed before wrestlemania I? lol. If you can find anything from 1984 wwf get it. it will make you appreciate professional wrestling, and loathe this crap you see on tv today.

I actually watched my first RAW since, probably they were still called WWF, and I was appalled to see that they still use the same BORING format as 10 years ago. I think the formula still goes something like...

Show starts
Heel comes out to the ring; talks a little.
Face comes out to a big cheer, and talks about the heel.
Banter back and forth a bit.
one guy offers a challenge conveniently for "any place, any time"
other guy suggests "tonight, in this very ring"
Crowd goes crazy, as the wrestlers look to start the match.
Music of some Bad Guy authority figure (McMahon, Bischoff, Coach etc)
That guy promptly halts the impromptu match, crowd gets pissed.
Instead of that, he sets up 3 or 4 other matches for the night.

Come on that is so old and tired. they have been doing that for too long. why not start the show with a good match, then do all that crap. or how about this.. SCHEDULE MATCHES AHEAD OF TIME, SO PEOPLE HAVE THINGS TO LOOK FORWARD TO! wrestling really stinks nowadays, but I have a rather large wrestling library, so it keeps me interested.

[comahan]

Simply because we comment on todays wrestling does not mean that we have no clue about the past.

[the_legend_killer]

Simply because we comment on todays wrestling does not mean that we have no clue about the past.

Very true, anybody else think Ken Kennedy gives off a "I would've been badass in the Attitude Era" vibe that few other current wrestlers do?

[BigDawg819]

Nor can we do much to change it so why is it necessary for you to attempt to belittle us for accepting what we got and finding it still entertaining?


Besides the past isn't exactly gone, Ric Flair is still here. :D

[lionsfan320]

oh I don't mean any disrespect.. please don't take it as such.

the point I was trying to make is, I haven't watched any wrestling for 5+years, and to watch it today, and seeing that things haven't changed very much at all. it's sad, because every time I get excited, and think that they may have something going to draw this lifelong fan back in, vincent k mcmahon has to ruin it for me. He seems to never give the wrestling fan what they want. It seems like he misses a lot more than he hits these days.

thats all I meant. I didn't mean to offend anyone that enjoys todays product, just stating that I think professional wrestling 84-2000>>>>>>2001-Present.

[BigDawg819]

One problem is there is no "real" competition for the WWE to force them to push the envelope ala the Attitude Era. Now they can rest on their laurels and do as they wish because fans really don't have much of an alternative. And the fact that Stephanie McMahon is behind the scenes and she has no feel or grasp for the business.

[lionsfan320]

very true.. TNA is the closest thing, but hey, just like the old days.. if TNA happens to do anything remotely interesting, vince will just offer more money to their top guys, then job them out on his shows!

the vince mcmahon way.

how many of you would have killed to see WCW vs WWF vs ECW done right? with ALL the major players involved. nope, vince cant stand to give anyone else credit if he didn't make them a star himself, or put aside old grudges for the sake of the business. instead we get a watered down WWF vs WWF vs WWF with one or 2 guys sprinkled in there. Vince has too big of an ego to just shut his mouth and make money. with all the property he owns now he should be able to do things unheard of, but he hasn't and it's looking more and more to me like he never will.

[WMD]

The problem is that everything is so heavily scripted.. Especially interviews. Nobody is given a chance to get over with their own words.. The people who get the majority of the mic time are Main Eventers... and when an Undercard guy gets to cut a promo, he's basically going off of something that has already been written for his 'character'..

What's also annoying is how the writing staff is filled with Nickelodeon/Hollywood soap opera style writers who have no clue about wrestling.. I remember reading about how one of the writers once asked JBL how he got the fake blood to flow from his forehead.. All they've done is surround themselves with a bunch of clueless yes-men.

[the_legend_killer]

LK's Take on Current Wrestling:


TNA: Right now, I prefer TNA to WWE simply for the fact that they are the underdog and have SO much damn potential. Guys like Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels could help lead to a new era in wrestling. The X-Division (When it was pushed legitly) was VERY entertaining and provided awesome matches. The problem with TNA is getting it out there so people know about it. The undercard has some guys I really think are future legit ME'ers in Robert Roode, James Storm, Eric Young (The guy is MAD over, but losing steam), Jay Lethal, etc. Guys like AJ, Joe, Daniels, Abyss (Yeah, he's seen as a Mankind/Kane rip, but you have to admit the man does good work and has given a LOT to the company), Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, etc. are the future, it's just getting them out there. Of all the champs, I see Christian Cage as the most legit (Well now maybe 2nd to 'Taker) and is the most entertaining of the group (His promo's = money).

WWE: To me WWE is kind of a sleeping giant. In 2003-2004 WWE was not good at all, in fact I stopped watching all together. I think they grew stale because they had no legit competition, so what's the point of trying to push the envelope? Once TNA grew to a national level, they started to try some things again and have improved. That said, there's a lot about WWE I still don't like (Super Cena, the lack of tag team wrestling although TNA's has fizzled out as of late as well, the brand extension becoming nonexistant). That said, I openly admit that I still watch WWE for only 4 people (Randy Orton, The Undertaker, Umaga and Mr. Kennedy...............Kennedy).


Overall, not to tell you who or what to watch, I think wrestling fans should cheer and hope that TNA grows to prominance, as it would benefit the business, the wrestlers but most importantly, the fans. It may not be as good as the Attitude Era, but WWE v. TNA has the potential to be pretty damn good.

[bigrick0016]

TNA needs more than 1 hour because Impact usually isn't great wrestling wise.

I agree that WWE needs to start pushing mid-card's and tags is that they only have 2 hours a week for Raw and SD. It was easier for old WWE to push that stuff when their was 2 two hour shows a week (wasn't Raw 3 hours at one time?). Two hours is not enough to push the 4 titles that are on both shows. Unless, of course, they want to go the TNA route and make everything very PPVcentric and be very quick with the cable matches. I guess my point is, there shouldn't be seperate rosters and titles for the shows. It should be all 1 unit again.

[the_legend_killer]

I agree with you 100% that TNA needs 2 hours. They wouldn't have to rush matches, and could give more time for guys to show that they can do the job.

[WMD]

Nitro used to be 3 hours long.. which is too long, IMO..

[jagsfreak27]

Anybody seen WSX on MTV they have some old stars like X-PAC (now 6-pac), and Vampiro and the Insane Clown Posse

[Big Mike]

im gonna start watching WWE again just so i can participate. is Smackdown still on thursdays?

[comahan]

And i watched every minute of it :P

Well, maybe some WWF too, but i always watched 3 hours of wrestling on Mondays.

I agree with Rick on TNA needing more time. And they will get it. Its been in the works for a while, but TNA is waiting, hoping they get another rise in ratings so they get more money in the deal.

[comahan]

Anybody seen WSX on MTV they have some old stars like X-PAC (now 6-pac), and Vampiro and the Insane Clown Posse

It was canceled. If it is on TV anymore then they are re-runs.

[comahan]

im gonna start watching WWE again just so i can participate. is Smackdown still on thursdays?

Fridays at 8 EST

[LTgiants]

im gonna start watching WWE again just so i can participate. is Smackdown still on thursdays?

smackdown is now on fridays

[Big Mike]

Anybody seen WSX on MTV they have some old stars like X-PAC (now 6-pac), and Vampiro and the Insane Clown Posse

XPAC was my dude. Him and Scott hall were my faves along with Steve Austin

[WMD]

im gonna start watching WWE again just so i can participate. is Smackdown still on thursdays?

If you have nothing to do tonight, WWE airs "ECW" on Tuesday Nights at 10 on the Sci Fi channel.

[bigrick0016]

Nitro used to be 3 hours long.. which is too long, IMO..

I stand corrected, and it was too long. However, it obviously is easier to push 4 or 5 titles in 4 hours than 4 in 2 hours.

[Big Mike]

smackdown is now on fridays

thanks bro

[jagsfreak27]

Does anybody watch HEAT on WWE.com its pretty entertaining with Cryme Tyme. Cryme Tyme was supposed to be in the tag-team championship at Wrestlemania but they put in the Womens championship instead, also when they get more superstars ECW will be moved to 9:00 and made into a 2 hour show that will be great.

[bearsfan_51]

Ahhh, wrestling.

I watched WWF religiously from 1990 to right about 2001. Never missed an episode of Raw until '01. I've turned it on occasionally every now and then for the past few years, but it's clearly been in a state of decadence.
Look up decadence in the dictionary. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

[comahan]

Well, looks like one of my backlash predictions is already wrong, New Breed vs Originals in an extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme rules match tonight.

[DeathbyStat]

Very true, anybody else think Ken Kennedy gives off a "I would've been badass in the Attitude Era" vibe that few other current wrestlers do?

Couldn't agree more.

[BigDawg819]

Ok for whoever was yearning for the 80's era of wrestling, ECW obviously heard you. Snitsky defeated Hardcore Holly with a Big Boot! :D

That Extreme Rules match was a car wreck and what ECW should be.

[jagsfreak27]

Solid ECW tonight looking forward to Backlash

[comahan]

Oh man, ECW was kinda sorta like ECW tonight. I absolutely love Burke, and Cor Von (Monty Brown), as well as the originals.

Punk vs. Stevie was awesome too. STEVIE RICHARDS HAD A MATCH. Its true.

[BigDawg819]

Oh man, ECW was kinda sorta like ECW tonight. I absolutely love Burke, and Cor Von (Monty Brown), as well as the originals.

Punk vs. Stevie was awesome too. STEVIE RICHARDS HAD A MATCH. Its true.

I know Stevie Richards! He showed us! :D

[villagewarrior]

The hardcore 8 man match was bad ass. I loved it, especially Burke's running knee smash thing on Sabu through the table. That...was tremendous.

[jagsfreak27]

Only bad thing Lashley was not in action.

[comahan]

Thats probably why the show was better.

I like Lashley, or at least I try to. But jesus christ hes boring atm. If he would start utilizing his 'ameture all american' ability and not just shoulder block, then... shoulder block... then spear (not a good one)... then powerslam. He also needs to do more suplexes, he does a bell to belly sometimes, but not often. And good lord he is an awful talker. Give this man a mouthpiece, dammit.

It also might be the fact that he is completely shoved down our throats, cause I liked him as a midcarder on Smackdown.

[bearsfan_51]

The new opponent for The Undertaker is predictable, but should still be interesting. It looks as if said character's angle is being adjusted so that might help. (I'd say who in really small letters but I still haven't figured out this new format, just check the Smackdown Spoilers if you're interested).

[comahan]

Stone Cold was just in the booth at the Indians/ChiSox game. Promoted the condemned, talked about Mania, setting the attendance record, and so on. Theyre still talking wrestling 5 mins after hes gone.

[comahan]

Holly is getting surgery on his arm (nerve damage), and will be out for a bit. Im sure everyone here cares about that.

That is the reason that did the Snitsky/chair thing last night. It got snitsky over as a monster, and gave people a kayfabe reason for Hollys surgery.

[BigDawg819]

Holly is getting surgery on his arm (nerve damage), and will be out for a bit. Im sure everyone here cares about that.

That is the reason that did the Snitsky/chair thing last night. It got snitsky over as a monster, and gave people a kayfabe reason for Hollys surgery.

As soon as I saw that bit I knew Holly was going to be out for awhile due to some injury. Its a shame really because I like Holly and he's got a niche over in ECW. Hopefully this isn't as serious has the staph infection was. Best wishes to Hardcore.


On that note who thinks an upcoming rivalry with Snitsky and The Great Khali besides me?

[WMD]

On that note who thinks an upcoming rivalry with Snitsky and The Great Khali besides me?

I think you missed some words.. but if you're saying it's a good idea.. I don't think so. Both are heels and Khali is an unstoppable monster. They're still establishing Snitsky's new character and having him get demolished by Khali would kill all of the momentum he has going..

[the_legend_killer]

I think you missed some words.. but if you're saying it's a good idea.. I don't think so. Both are heels and Khali is an unstoppable monster. They're still establishing Snitsky's new character and having him get demolished by Khali would kill all of the momentum he has going..


Not to mention the awful matches they'd produce.

[BigDawg819]

I hate The Great Khali so anyone that can beat him and send him packing, I'm all for that match!

[villagewarrior]

Why does Khali even have a job? He is worse than Nathan Jones for crying out loud!

As far as Lashley goes, I would have paired him off with Faarooq right off the bat, especially when Lashley used the dominator.

[BigDawg819]

Ron Simmons is the man and has his role. He walks on camera, looks at the situation, says "DAMN!" and thats it. Its brilliant!

[villagewarrior]

Ron Simmons is the man and has his role. He walks on camera, looks at the situation, says "DAMN!" and thats it. Its brilliant!

Agreed, however, I would've paired them up before Ronnie boy came back.

[T-RICH49]

Sting is the 4th member of Team Angle

[jagsfreak27]

What are your favorite stipulations here are mine
1. Hair vs Hair match
2. "I Quit" Match
3. Battle Royal
4. Extreme Rules
5. Stretcher Match

[leftwich7]

let me just say wrestling went down hill somewhere after Wrestlemania 15. They have struggled so much that they brought back the Hulkster at times even though is old and as bad hips. My wrestling will forever be confined to: Hulk Hogan,Macho Man,Ultimate Warrior,Jake The Snake,Demoliton,L.O.D,Million Dollar Man,Big Bossman,Undertaker,Bret Hart, and people along those lines. the new WWE crap sucks

[leftwich7]

What are your favorite stipulations here are mine
1. Hair vs Hair match
2. "I Quit" Match
3. Battle Royal
4. Extreme Rules
5. Stretcher Match

Royal Rumble/Battle Royal are by far the best

[jagsfreak27]

let me just say wrestling went down hill somewhere after Wrestlemania 15. They have struggled so much that they brought back the Hulkster at times even though is old and as bad hips. My wrestling will forever be confined to: Hulk Hogan,Macho Man,Ultimate Warrior,Jake The Snake,Demoliton,L.O.D,Million Dollar Man,Big Bossman,Undertaker,Bret Hart, and people along those lines. the new WWE crap sucks
What about The Shiek, Rod Piper, Brutus Beefcake, Ron Bass. Mr. Fuji, Andre The Giant you left out some greats.

[LTgiants]

favorite stipulations

Extreme Rules
Casket Match
Inferno
Buried Alive

[T-RICH49]

honorable mention to Hell In A Cells.They are always so brutal

[jagsfreak27]

Matt Hardy vs King Booker coming up next

[islandboy843]

I missed the old Booker

[jagsfreak27]

I missed the old Booker
Ya aint the only one

[Vikes99ej]

I knew that wasn't going to end well for Booker.

[islandboy843]

This King Booker Crap Is Getting Pretty Stale.

[comahan]

i love KING BOOKAH~

[jagsfreak27]

I knew that wasn't going to end well for Booker.

I cant believe it but I miss all that 5 time shiz

[villagewarrior]

I'm not a big fan of King Bookah, but the extended pinky thing = brilliance. I don't know why, but I love that.

BTW, my favorite stipulation match has to be submission matches. I love those matches, especially if you put in a great technical wrestler, such as a Hart, Benoit, Angle, Jericho, Guerrero (RIP), etc. In fact, I know it wasn't a submission only match, but the Angle-Benoit match from the Royal Rumble a few years ago is one of my favorite matches.

[comahan]

I'm not a big fan of King Bookah, but the extended pinky thing = brilliance. I don't know why, but I love that.

BTW, my favorite stipulation match has to be submission matches. I love those matches, especially if you put in a great technical wrestler, such as a Hart, Benoit, Angle, Jericho, Guerrero (RIP), etc. In fact, I know it wasn't a submission only match, but the Angle-Benoit match from the Royal Rumble a few years ago is one of my favorite matches.

Amazing match. One of my favorites as well.

Stipulation wise, im a fan of submission matches, 2/3 falls matches, Ladder Matches(TLC included) and Ultimate X matches. Theres probably more that im forgetting, but thats what i got of the top of my head.

[villagewarrior]

One kind of match I'm really not a fan of is Ironman matches, which is strange because I like submission matches, but I don't like when two usually tough guys have an ironman match that ends up 6-4 or something like that. Now, if the match ends up 1-0 or 2-1, thats ok.

[BigDawg819]

One kind of match I'm really not a fan of is Ironman matches, which is strange because I like submission matches, but I don't like when two usually tough guys have an ironman match that ends up 6-4 or something like that. Now, if the match ends up 1-0 or 2-1, thats ok.

Ironman matches are hard to pull off because of the usual hour long match. With that said, I loved the Bret Hart-HBK ironman match at Mania and the HHH-Rock match at Backlash a few years back. One Ironman match that I would love to see is Benoit-Jericho because that would be a clinic and instant classic to steal Cage's catchphrase.

[UKfan]

Not that I watch wrestling anymore, but long matches if done correctly can be brilliant. I'm thinking along the lines of Summerslam '92, both the Savage vs Warrior match and the Bret Hart v Bulldog match, both epics IMO

[portermvp84]

One of my favorite matches of all time was when Undertaker threw Mankind off the cage and Mankind came back to wrestle. Clearly one of the best matches all of time. Mankind took a serious beating.

[BigDawg819]

One of my favorite matches of all time was when Undertaker threw Mankind off the cage and Mankind came back to wrestle. Clearly one of the best matches all of time. Mankind took a serious beating.

Ahh the Hell in the Cell Match. The best thing about that match is that that spot was Mick's idea and Taker was like are you nuts?

[portermvp84]

It in going to go down as one of the best matches of all time. I can't remember but did Mankind get choke slapped on tacks or was that another match?

[Brodeur]

It in going to go down as one of the best matches of all time. I can't remember but did Mankind get choke slapped on tacks or was that another match?

I don't really think so. It had some big spots, but I don't even really think it's the best HIAC match (I'd put HBK/Taker and maybe even Taker/Lesnar above it).

[the_legend_killer]

I don't really think so. It had some big spots, but I don't even really think it's the best HIAC match (I'd put HBK/Taker and maybe even Taker/Lesnar above it).

Taker/HBK drew legit 5* ratings from all graders (Even the tough ones), and that's saying something about the match itself considering it had a Dusty finish (With the debut of Kane). Lesnar/Taker was pretty good too, but Cactus Jack/HHH from 2000 No way Out was a pretty good'n too.

[portermvp84]

This past Wrestler Manias had to be one of the best. I know it was the best of all time but it still ranked up there.

[Jay]

Eh, I kind of disagree. It was a solid show, but it seriously lacked the star power most shows have had, and in just the past few years, the WM that was in Seattle was way better because everyone was rooting for Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit and both of them had intense matches to win their first titles.

And I think back to WM 14 in Boston, and of course I am definitely being subjective since I was there, but Kane vs. Understaker for the first real match and Austin winning his first world title was amazing.

This one really lacked that really profound special moment. Even Undertaker winning the title was just kind of "meh, sweet!"

But maybe that's just me...

[villagewarrior]

Eh, I kind of disagree. It was a solid show, but it seriously lacked the star power most shows have had, and in just the past few years, the WM that was in Seattle was way better because everyone was rooting for Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit and both of them had intense matches to win their first titles.

And I think back to WM 14 in Boston, and of course I am definitely being subjective since I was there, but Kane vs. Understaker for the first real match and Austin winning his first world title was amazing.

This one really lacked that really profound special moment. Even Undertaker winning the title was just kind of "meh, sweet!"

But maybe that's just me...

No, it's not just you. Money in the Bank started the show off pretty well (although I think 8 wrestlers is too many for the match, keep it at 6), and the WWE/World title matches were pretty good, but stupid backstage stuff and the women's match took time away from matches that should have been given more time (both title matches, Benoit/MVP). Also, the ECW match should have been what we saw last Tuesday, which was a thousand times better and more entertaining then the crap they put on at Wrestlemania.

[the_legend_killer]

This years Wrestlemania wasn't the best (Personally, I liked X7 the best), but I thought I'd throw a topic out here and see what we get, who is the most underrated wrestler today, or in other words, who could/should really be pushed higher in the card? Personally, I'd go with Christopher Daniels, although it looks as though he may get a big time money feud with Sting sooner than later, so that's good. Thoughts?

[SuperKevin]

I used to be a huge wrestling fan back in the 90s but I lost interest a few years ago. I recently tried to get back into it but its hard. I can't help but remember the days where it was more about the wrestling and less about the angles.

[bearsfan_51]

This years Wrestlemania wasn't the best (Personally, I liked X7 the best), but I thought I'd throw a topic out here and see what we get, who is the most underrated wrestler today, or in other words, who could/should really be pushed higher in the card? Personally, I'd go with Christopher Daniels, although it looks as though he may get a big time money feud with Sting sooner than later, so that's good. Thoughts?
Chris Daniels was underrated about 5-6 years ago. I think you can only stay underrated for so long till you're almost overrated (though I do like him a lot).

I always say Johnny Nitro is vastly underpushed, so I'll refrain there. I don't watch a whole lot of TNA but when I do I'm always very impressed with the two guys from LAX. They're probably by my favorite people on there.

[the_legend_killer]

Chris Daniels was underrated about 5-6 years ago. I think you can only stay underrated for so long till you're almost overrated (though I do like him a lot).

I always say Johnny Nitro is vastly underpushed, so I'll refrain there. I don't watch a whole lot of TNA but when I do I'm always very impressed with the two guys from LAX. They're probably by my favorite people on there.

Valid point on Daniels, he's been around for a while. Nitro certainly has a bright future, and I totally agree on LAX. Homicide and Hernandez are both destined for big things (If Homicide can find enough people to take The Gringo Killer, lol).

[islandboy843]

Lax Is The Best Thing In Tna

[the_legend_killer]

The stuff in TNA that I currently enjoy:

- Lethal Lockdown upcoming (Especially since I know who the 5th person for Team Angle is, one of my personal favorite wrestlers)
- The upcoming Sting/Christopher Daniels fued (You know it's coming)
- Abyss when we don't hear about his "mom and dad" or the other crap with Sting.
- Chris Sabin as X Division Champ
- Young guys like James Storm and Robert Roode, who IMO are future legit ME'ers
- Christian Cage as champ, he's quite entertaining
- Samoa F'n Joe, the man is a beast.
- AJ Styles as a heel (he's doing better than I thought he would)

[comahan]

The stuff in TNA that I currently enjoy:

- Lethal Lockdown upcoming (Especially since I know who the 5th person for Team Angle is, one of my personal favorite wrestlers)
- The upcoming Sting/Christopher Daniels fued (You know it's coming)
- Abyss when we don't hear about his "mom and dad" or the other crap with Sting.
- Chris Sabin as X Division Champ
- Young guys like James Storm and Robert Roode, who IMO are future legit ME'ers
- Christian Cage as champ, he's quite entertaining
- Samoa F'n Joe, the man is a beast.
- AJ Styles as a heel (he's doing better than I thought he would)

- I was a huge wargames fan. I love the idea of Lethal Lockdown. And I am also anxiously awaiting the 5th guy, as im a fan as well.

- Sting/Daniels could be great, and im looking forward to how they might do it.

- Im a huge Abyss fan, Im a huge Sting fan, but i hate this feud. It was really good when Cage was involved, but since then its gone on way too long with a few ridiculous twists, but i am an Abyss fan.

- I am also a big Sabin fan, and I think the X-Division is starting to get better again. Sabin can have a great match with basically anyone on the roster, and I love watching him. His match with Joe a little over a year ago(i think, no idea) was awesome.

- I think Storm and Harris are far better off as AMW than as Singles, but Storm is entertaining as a singles guy. I am a Roode fan, but im not sure about being a main eventer in the future.

- Christian Cage is amazing. One of the best promo guys in the business, and a damn good wrestler too. I can legitimately see him being the "Ric Flair" of TNA. To be honest, i think thats a decent comparison, Cage to Flair 20 years ago.

- Joe is great. The more Joe the better. They did the joe/angle feud too soon, but its still going on, and the matches were pretty good. I said that Sabin can have a good match with anyone, so can Joe. Joe should go over Angle or Cage at a big PPV after a good Cage run with the belt.

- AJ as a heel is absolutely hilarious. Hes great at being that cocky heel on the edge of being a moron. "The Hood sells tickets! I put it on, and i peak out of it!" Im thoroughly enjoying AJ as a heel.

- Some stuff you left out that I enjoy. Steiners promos are hilarious. Angle brings intensity and a legit feel about him, even if he isnt what he used to be. There actually an X-Division feud that isnt about a title, wait, theres 2 of them! omg! Daniels/Lynn, as well as Starr/Senshi. Lax is one of my favorite things about TNA, but they really need to build up new opponents for them, as theyve gone thru everyone so far. Ive loved Homicide for a while, and i am very pleasantly surprised with how good Hernandez has been since joining. Konnan as a mouthpiece is never bad.

[Vikes99ej]

I want to see a combination of WWE and the X-Men. I think that'd be great. John Cena as Wolverine, Rey Mysterio as the blue monkey guy, and.... I don't know what the hell The Great Khali would be.

[jagsfreak27]

SPOILER ALERT FOR RAW

Tonight on RAW Shawn Michaels vs Randy Orton for the WWE Championship #1 Contender Maych
Also the Jr. McMahon will make an apperence and challenge Lashley to a Hair vs Title match

[LTgiants]

Tonight on RAW Shawn Michaels vs Randy Orton for the WWE Championship #1 Contender Maych
Also the Jr. McMahon will make an apperence and challenge Lashley

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlindSite]

Chris Daniels was underrated about 5-6 years ago. I think you can only stay underrated for so long till you're almost overrated (though I do like him a lot).

I always say Johnny Nitro is vastly underpushed,

So is shelton benjamin, he shouldn't have been protreyed as the angry black guy. He's got amazing athleticism and ability.

[islandboy843]

I Wish They Would Use Cryme Tyme More

[Jay]

Indies wrestling website DeclarationOfIndependents.net is reporting that Victoria Crawford (the other catalog model signed last spring), Jake Hager (former collegiate wrestler from Oklahoma) and Atlas DeBone showed up in no condition to work last Friday's OVW house show in Owensboro, Kentucky. Allegedly, all three individuals were intoxicated and smelled of marijuana.

The trio was immediately reprimanded by Idol Stevens. There is no word if the three will be punished.

Haha Aron is so funny. I think I mentioned this before, but I went to HS with Idol Stevens. Here are some pics from our yearbook:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/JayMJ99/random/ah.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/JayMJ99/random/ah2.jpg

Can you tell he was big into wrestling then too? Haha, he used to do the BEST Rock and Ric Flair impersonations. I deserve mad rep for coming up with these pics, because he's a huge star [/sarcasm]

[jagsfreak27]

I Wish They Would Use Cryme Tyme More
There on HEAT every week thats a free webcast on WWE.COM

[islandboy843]

Heat..........wow

[jagsfreak27]

I feel a head shaving coming on.

[comahan]

Shane O Mac for champ! make it happen!

Death to Lashley.

[the_legend_killer]

Some stuff you left out that I enjoy. Steiners promos are hilarious. Angle brings intensity and a legit feel about him, even if he isnt what he used to be. There actually an X-Division feud that isnt about a title, wait, theres 2 of them! omg! Daniels/Lynn, as well as Starr/Senshi. Lax is one of my favorite things about TNA, but they really need to build up new opponents for them, as theyve gone thru everyone so far. Ive loved Homicide for a while, and i am very pleasantly surprised with how good Hernandez has been since joining. Konnan as a mouthpiece is never bad.

Steiner's "Pearl Harbor" Promo was hilarious. Very good point on the X division feuds, 3 of them with backround heading into the PPV, who knew? But TNA's tag team scene is pretty lacking right now (a year ago it was f'n stacked: AMW, LAX, Team 3D, Team Canada, The Naturals, The James Gang, The Diamonds in the Rough (VERY underrated IMO). Whenever he comes back, i'd like to see Jeff jarrett and Eric Young team up against LAX.

[LTgiants]

Jeff jarrett will be back very soon and its not gonna be with eric young

[islandboy843]

I Like Shane, He Brings Alot Of Energy

[bearsfan_51]

This is an excellent Raw so far.

[jagsfreak27]

I Like Shane, He Brings Alot Of Energy Oh come on people I know you want to see a head shaving tonight this would make it part 3.

[comahan]

Id prefer Shane with the title, to be honest.

[bearsfan_51]

I like Lashley a lot.

Shane-O-Mac is on fire though. I love his character much more than his father's.

[jagsfreak27]

Id prefer Shane with the title, to be honest.
Suit yourself

[comahan]

I like Lashley a lot.

Shane-O-Mac is hot though. I love his character much more than his father's.

Ive tried liking Lashley, hes fine in the ring i guess. Its more his ability to talk, and the way he is booked. I dont want to see him on every show, squashing everyone, even Kennedy and Orton.. at once.. in a handicap match.

[Jay]

No love for Idol Stevens! :(

[islandboy843]

Whoop Some Ass Shane

[Jay]

Mick Foley is going to be the GM by the end of the night, mark it down!

[jagsfreak27]

Damn that kid got some beef with coach

[comahan]

WGTT jobbing night after night is disturbing.

[jagsfreak27]

Damn it I knew Edge would end up the #1 contender. Im starting to warm up to Randy Orton again.

[bearsfan_51]

That little kid is obviously going to announce a 4-way at Backlash. I'm suprised Edge is healthy enough to go.

[jagsfreak27]

That little kid is obviously going to announce a 4-way at Backlash. I'm suprised Edge is healthy enough to go. Yeah I hate it when they make it so predictable.

[Jay]

That little kid is obviously going to announce a 4-way at Backlash. I'm suprised Edge is healthy enough to go.

Probably, but there are rumors Mick Foley wants to be GM again, so I thought it would be that...

[jagsfreak27]

LOL I love it when im right on the money.

[bearsfan_51]

LOL I love it when im right on the money.
Umm...you? You said Edge and Cena. Nice try though.

[jagsfreak27]

Now I have a feeling this will be a real quick ass kicking for Shane that is.

[jagsfreak27]

Umm...you? You said Edge and Cena. Nice try though.
But quickly changed my mind when Randy came out there

[Jay]

That match had been rumored anyway. I really hope Foley is the GM and because he was awesome when he was. I'm kind of getting tired of the a-hole GM's that reward clowns like Edge for being tools. Don't get me wrong, I love Edge and he does his job really well, but it's getting old seeing that type of character getting pandered to. I know Smackdown has the "fair" guy, but I don't follow that as closely as I would like to. Maybe if it was live it would be more worthwhile...

[jagsfreak27]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
There wont be a head shaving after all.

[islandboy843]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I Love Shane's Little Dance

[Jay]

I am getting so tired of this ****. I am so god damn tired of the McMahon's putting themselves over like this. It's the same crap every week. ENOUGH. Is this really entertaining? How about having Umaga actually defend the IC title? He hasn't done that in over a month. Actually, has he even done it at all? What's the point of having him carry it? Obviously this is going to go down where Lashley wins in the end, but the Raw is better when the McMahon's are not on it.

[the_legend_killer]

WGTT jobbing night after night is disturbing.

Very much so. Benjamin and Haas deserve much better, although they need a mouthpiece to be fully successful.

[comahan]

Very much so. Benjamin and Haas deserve much better, although they need a mouthpiece to be fully successful.

Khali would be a good fit there.

[comahan]

LOL I love it when im right on the money.

:/

Like three people said it would be a fatal 4 way last tuesday.

[bearsfan_51]

Khali would be a good fit there.
AARRRAHGGGGH!!! KAAAAANEEEEEAEEEEEAEE!!!!! IWAAAANTTTAKAAAAANEEEEEEE AARGGEEEHHH!!!!

[portermvp84]

Well Boby Lashely is going to loose the ECW title for sure now.

[Jay]

I don't think that is the case at all. If anything, I think the match at Backlash should further cement his status and he'll end up winning the match in a big way. That's what usually happens when they crush a guy the way they did last night. There's no way they are going to bury him, which is another reason something like that would happen, so to me it would seem like he'll get one over on them tonight, then get squashed again, then have the big comeback at the PPV.

[Vikes99ej]

Yeah, I hope Lashley kills those three.

[T-RICH49]

Well Boby Lashely is going to loose the ECW title for sure now.

I think Umaga wins the ECW belt then Lashley moves over to RAW since he is appearing there almost every week now

[BigDawg819]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Kane deserves better!

[Notredameleo]

It was pretty ridiculous what they did to him at WM, Kane pretty much god embarassed in front of millions. And now it looks like they are going to kill the whole Khali/Kane feud, so he doesn't get a chance to whip his as$ later on.

[WMD]

Kane does deserve a lot better. He's one of the best Big Men i've seen. He does whatever the company asks, I've never heard of him ever complaining. He's had to go through with the Katie Vick storyline, and all kinds of other junk.. He's definately a Team Player and the early version of Kane is one of the best Villains of all time IMO.

[LTgiants]

he is on the new judgement day poster which is day after a day i shouldnt say or else he will kill me