Professional Wrestling Thread

[Acreboy]

And im naive because you cant distinguish that everything benoit did was fake and even then he cheated and used steroids to further his career? but its ok to let his cowardly act of murdering a 7 year old and a woman and then killing himself to avoid justice for his actions go because of his acting. that's like saying, RIP hitler, you were a military genius, we'll just forget you murdered millions of people. ya, sorry, that's not how it works.If hitler was a genius he wouldn't have lost now would he?

[BigDawg819]

Wow! im sorry i had to be the one that broke it to you that wrestling is fake.
and the founding fathers were fighting for their freedom, while hitler was taking peoples freedoms and lives.

No **** wrestling is fake, the outcomes are scripted but the moves performed by those athletes are real. Maybe if you got your head out of your ass you may be able to comprehend the purpose of the wrestling industry. Its called sports entertainment for a reason.

Time for another history lesson junior, the founding fathers were fighting for freedom from taxation and to practice alternate forms of religion. In other words, they didn't like what the government and the rule of law stated so they decided to wage a war to steal the colonies from the British. Maybe you should of paid attention in school?

[Cashmoney]

Who cares if it was fake or not, that shouldn't even be a point in this argument. And the steroid rate in the WWE is huge IMO. Just look at those guys.

No one is saying what he did is justified and we are not glorifying is actions. We're glorifying what he did in the ring. And to compare him to Hitler is absolutely pathetic and ridiculous. Hitler killed millions with his "brilliant strategic planning." Benoit wrestled people in the ring. There is absolutely no correlation between those two and to even try and relate Benoit to Hitler is IMO disgusting.

What Benoit did (or supposedly did) does not even begin to compare to what Hitler did.

There is a correlation between murderers of innocent people that ended up killing themselves before proper justice could be administered for their actions.

[sweetness34]

No eyewitnesses means that it'll be very hard to piece everything together. All the evidence I've seen is 3 dead people, anabolic steroids, and text messages.

We don't know what the texts said, therefore we have two pieces of evidence so far. Authorities can be wrong in their "assumptions" of what happened at a crime scene. Just look at CSI. These people are brilliant and usually get it wrong when they first approach the crime scene. You have to uncover all the details before you can say without question what happened.

We need to know TOD's, we need to see if there are any finger prints on the pillow or whatever was used to kill Daniel, we need a timeline of events, and we need to hear what the texts said. There are still a bunch of unanswered questions in this thing. And I'm with Acreboy, I still feel that the mom should not be left off the hook on this one.

[TigerBait45]

I'm still wondering how I first called you naive then said what he did was okay.

[LTgiants]

http://nodq.com/wwe/184901837.shtml

[Cashmoney]

If hitler was a genius he wouldn't have lost now would he?

if benoit was such a great wrestler then he wouldn't have lost all those matches in his tribute last night would he?

[LTgiants]

if benoit was such a great wrestler then he wouldn't have lost all those matches in his tribute last night would he?

but he didnt lose all those matches in his tribute last night

[Acreboy]

it still seems as if you're trying to block people from saying how disturbed of a human being he was to kill his family. At some point you have to realize that it no longer matters what he did in the ring as a performer, he's now a murderer and will always be this. I'm sure they wouldn't release what happend and blame him for both deaths if they didn't have evidence he did it. His hair or skin was probably on the pillow used to smother a harmless 7 year old child. This guy is pitiful drugs or not, it's no excuse, that's a lame cop out to defend him. He took the ultimate ***** road by taking his life, he should have suffered in prison and been beaten for this.Maybe because he lived there?

[BigDawg819]

There is a correlation between murderers of innocent people that ended up killing themselves before proper justice could be administered for their actions.

Your warped sense of logic is so assonine you should really be banned. Your acting as though Benoit spent years working on this tragedy. As I stated earlier in this thread, people want to now smear him to try and make sense of this when there is no logic to what happened.

[Acreboy]

if benoit was such a great wrestler then he wouldn't have lost all those matches in his tribute last night would he?I saw 1, the ladder match. You're a classless jerk and need to get out of this thread. You know nothing about what we're talking about.

Besides, those are storylines. They have a clear cut winner before the match. Benoit had no say so over any match he won. Same as every other wrestler, ever.

[Cashmoney]

No **** wrestling is fake, the outcomes are scripted but the moves performed by those athletes are real. Maybe if you got your head out of your ass you may be able to comprehend the purpose of the wrestling industry. Its called sports entertainment for a reason.

Time for another history lesson junior, the founding fathers were fighting for freedom from taxation and to practice alternate forms of religion. In other words, they didn't like what the government and the rule of law stated so they decided to wage a war to steal the colonies from the British. Maybe you should of paid attention in school?

maybe if you would've paid attention to my post, you'd see i said that the founding fathers were fighting for freedom, i didn't say how or why. and maybe if id paid more attention in school i couldve got even more than a free ride to college? once again you dont know me so quit pretending to.

[TigerBait45]

I'm still waiting. Come on, you have something to say to everyone else, I feel left out.

[LTgiants]

http://nodq.com/wwe/184901837.shtml

just in case anyone didnt see in between this argument between bdawgz and cash there were more details released

[Cashmoney]

I saw 1, the ladder match. You're a classless jerk and need to get out of this thread. You know nothing about what we're talking about.

Besides, those are storylines. They have a clear cut winner before the match. Benoit had no say so over any match he won. Same as every other wrestler, ever.

yea im a classless jerk cause i refuse to acknowledge the "greatness" of a murderer.

[Watchman]

Your warped sense of logic is so assonine you should really be banned. Your acting as though Benoit spent years working on this tragedy. As I stated earlier in this thread, people want to now smear him to try and make sense of this when there is no logic to what happened.

Nobody needs to smear Benoit, he's taken care of that himself. I guess I'm a little suprised that you can separate the two things (career/murders) that's all.

[BigDawg819]

maybe if you would've paid attention to my post, you'd see i said that the founding fathers were fighting for freedom, i didn't say how or why. and maybe if id paid more attention in school i couldve got even more than a free ride to college? once again you dont know me so quit pretending to.

You are beyond the limits of incompetence! They were British citizens who objected from the established rule of law not rebels fighting for a country that was wrongly invaded. Seriously leave this thread because you're becoming nothing more then a troll!

[M.O.T.H.]

To those that are accussing the wife...how would that be possible if she was the first one to die?

[Acreboy]

Some of us were crying last night during the tribute. If regular fans like us cried wonder how this guy took it..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI

[sweetness34]

Nobody needs to smear Benoit, he's taken care of that himself. I guess I'm a little suprised that you can separate the two things (career/murders) that's all.

You can respect what a man did on the mat and smear him for his actions off the mat.

[Cashmoney]

I'm still waiting. Come on, you have something to say to everyone else, I feel left out.

what are you waiting on? lol these people and i are having an interesting argument man, hop in. there calling me a classless jerk, but if i was i wouldve neg repped them by now, lol.

[SubNoize]

Maybe because he lived there?

Yeah because my dad slept with me or played with my pillows when I was 7 years old... Why are people trying soo hard to defend this guy? Wow he was a good "entertainer." Who cares? He killed 2 people, both defenseless to a man of his size. The police have outright said it was Chris already, it's not hard to piece together a crime scene that doesn't involve weapon usage and where people were strangled, it leaves prints. Also he could have smothered him with his bare hands and they have his dna,prints and skin allover the kids face.

[BigDawg819]

Nobody needs to smear Benoit, he's taken care of that himself. I guess I'm a little suprised that you can separate the two things (career/murders) that's all.

I instance does not make a man, while I realize the tragedy that has happened appears to be at the hands of Chris, I still realize that in the ring (btw all of which happened before this tragedy) he was one of the all time greats. Its no different then realizing that OJ Simpson, despite what may or may not have happened, was once a great, Hall of Fame running back.

[M.O.T.H.]

Some of us were crying last night during the tribute. If regular fans like us cried wonder how this guy took it..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI

hahaha......

[Watchman]

You can respect what a man did on the mat and smear him for his actions off the mat.


Maybe it is the father in me, I can't. I can barely wrap my head around what he did.

[sweetness34]

what are you waiting on? lol these people and i are having an interesting argument man, hop in. there calling me a classless jerk, but if i was i wouldve neg repped them by now, lol.

Why because they don't agree with you?

I respect what Benoit did on the mat, but I do not respect him as a person for what he did (after I just learned the new details). To say that you can't "separate" achievements from things off the mat is a flawed argumen; because obvioulsy people like BigDawg and myself can do that.

[TigerBait45]

Nobody needs to smear Benoit, he's taken care of that himself. I guess I'm a little suprised that you can separate the two things (career/murders) that's all.

I guess it has a lot to do with looking up to someone and how you remember them. There isn't any way to deny that the man gave maximum effort in what he did for a living.

Like I said though, I think what he did was disgusting. I can't wrap my mind around how anyone could kill a 7 year old child, a baby.

[sweetness34]

I instance does not make a man, while I realize the tragedy that has happened appears to be at the hands of Chris, I still realize that in the ring (btw all of which happened before this tragedy) he was one of the all time greats. Its no different then realizing that OJ Simpson, despite what may or may not have happened, was once a great, Hall of Fame running back.

And that's all we're trying to say. We respect him as a great wrestler, that's all.

[BigDawg819]

Maybe it is the father in me, I can't. I can barely wrap my head around what he did.

There is no explanation for what happened, and trying to make sense of a senseless event is futile.

[Cashmoney]

You are beyond the limits of incompetence! They were British citizens who objected from the established rule of law not rebels fighting for a country that was wrongly invaded. Seriously leave this thread because you're becoming nothing more then a troll!

Last time i checked, not everyone that fought against the british in the revolutionary war was british

[Watchman]

I instance does not make a man, while I realize the tragedy that has happened appears to be at the hands of Chris, I still realize that in the ring (btw all of which happened before this tragedy) he was one of the all time greats. Its no different then realizing that OJ Simpson, despite what may or may not have happened, was once a great, Hall of Fame running back.

First and foremost I would say that OJ's career is moot, just like Benoit's career is moot. That just my opinion though. My opinion is also that what Benoit did is far far worse than what OJ did (or was accused of since I guess technically he wasn't found guilty).

[BigDawg819]

Last time i checked, not everyone that fought against the british in the revolutionary war was british

Colonists = British citizens, even the ones who were born here whose parents were British citizens.

Seriously, you're becoming a troll.

[sweetness34]

I still want more details on this though. What was up with the needles in his sons arm? What was the timeline of events? Were he and his wife having trouble?

Edit: Recent trouble.

[BigDawg819]

First and foremost I would say that OJ's career is moot, just like Benoit's career is moot. That just my opinion though. My opinion is also that what Benoit did is far far worse than what OJ did (or was accused of since I guess technically he wasn't found guilty).

Why exactly is it worse? In both occasions 2 "innocent" people died needlessly so why is one event worse then the other?

[SubNoize]

Maybe it is the father in me, I can't. I can barely wrap my head around what he did.

that's because as a father like myself, you realize that it takes a truly sick individual to murder a child, and you know that no matter how many drugs or how much alcohol you've consumed, there's no way you could even imagine harming your own child.

[TigerBait45]

I'm thinking that might be a typo. If i had to guess, I'd say they meant to mention that Benoit had the needle marks in his arms, not his son.

That kid was tiny, there was no way he was being injected with a growth hormone.

[SubNoize]

Colonists = British citizens, even the ones who were born here whose parents were British citizens.

Seriously, you're becoming a troll.

he's probably referring to the heavy amount of help we received from the french in the revolutionary war.

[sweetness34]

I'm thinking that might be a typo. If i had to guess, I'd say they meant to mention that Benoit had the needle marks in his arms, not his son.

That kid was tiny, there was no way he was being injected with a growth hormone.

Great, so we have "typos" in articles now about murders? If this is true, the editor/writer of that should be fired.

[BigDawg819]

I'm thinking that might be a typo. If i had to guess, I'd say they meant to mention that Benoit had the needle marks in his arms, not his son.

That kid was tiny, there was no way he was being injected with a growth hormone.

HGH is not a fast acting agent, it takes time and a workout regime to take full effect. Its not unlike a child's growth, you don't always see end results but the child is growing nonetheless. And why does that piece of info have to be a typo? Everyone throughout the thread is basing claims on the info released and yet you want to question this?

[M.O.T.H.]

They say he placed bibles by both of their bodies...

[Cashmoney]

Colonists = British citizens, even the ones who were born here whose parents were British citizens.

Seriously, you're becoming a troll.

so im a troll when im voicing my opinion? this is debate, that's what people do, and apparently name-calling is the only way you can try to get a point across.

[BigDawg819]

They say he placed bibles by both of their bodies...

Yeah I found that piece of info a bit strange.

[BigDawg819]

so im a troll when im voicing my opinion? this is debate, that's what people do, and apparently name-calling is the only way you can try to get a point across.

I'm not calling you names, I'm question your intelligence and describing how your actions appear to be.

[TigerBait45]

Because it doesn't make sense to me that they claim to see needle marks in the kids arms but there is no mention of anything of the sort with Benoit himself other than the fact that there were steroids in the home.

It just seemed a little odd.

[jballa838]

you guys think of this yet... maybe a guy who throws his body around for a living and whos signature move is when he launches off a turnbuckle and smashes his head to the canvas or on somebody could be like those NFL dudes battling depression and maybe he just snapped and it was a mental ailment that caused him to do it. thats why the bibles are next to them maybe.

[BigDawg819]

Because it doesn't make sense to me that they claim to see needle marks in the kids arms but there is no mention of anything of the sort with Benoit himself other than the fact that there were steroids in the home.

It just seemed a little odd.

Well Tiger Woods was trained to be a professional golfer from a young age, so its not to hard to fathom that a wrestler's son would be trained to be a wrestler. There are more 2nd generation wrestlers in the business then I could even post.

[BigDawg819]

you guys think of this yet... maybe a guy who throws his body around for a living and whos signature move is when he launches off a turnbuckle and smashes his head to the canvas or on somebody could be like those NFL dudes battling depression and maybe he just snapped and it was a mental ailment that caused him to do it. thats why the bibles are next to them maybe.

Anything is possible, especially considering we will never know what his mental state was during this weekend.

[Acreboy]

you guys think of this yet... maybe a guy who throws his body around for a living and whos signature move is when he launches off a turnbuckle and smashes his head to the canvas or on somebody could be like those NFL dudes battling depression and maybe he just snapped and it was a mental ailment that caused him to do it. thats why the bibles are next to them maybe.I thought about it. Just didn't post it.

Nice call.

[Moses]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

Some interesting news about the murder.

Giving a 7-year old growth hormone is pretty ridiculous.

[Cashmoney]

you guys think of this yet... maybe a guy who throws his body around for a living and whos signature move is when he launches off a turnbuckle and smashes his head to the canvas or on somebody could be like those NFL dudes battling depression and maybe he just snapped and it was a mental ailment that caused him to do it. thats why the bibles are next to them maybe.

ill bet it was steroids. i know people on the juice and they are very easily angered, and they have a hard time controlling their anger.

[sweetness34]

No matter what he was like "mentally" during what happened, there is no justification or excuse for doing what he did.

That said, there was a "reason" for why he did do what he did, like it or not. And we need to find that out. But like I said, there is no justifiable reasoning to kill your family like that.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

When is there any logic behind killing someone? Something had to be going on for Chris Benoit to do these horrible things. If you had kept up with the situation instead of hearing 1 or 2 things and commenting uninformed you would know that authorities found numerous prescription bottles along with steroids which would lead an intelligent person to assume these crimes weren't committed by a rational person.Let me also reiterate sweetness' sentiment in that just because these horrible things did occur, people who knew and loved him and even cheered for him don't have to change their stances on him. I have been a Benoit fan since he started in WCW and even with this shocking news I still am and am deeply saddened that he and his family are gone. Just because something like this happens doesn't mean you have to villianize the one responsible to justify the situation to yourself.


Talking about roid rage as some sort of defense for his actions simply disgusts me, man. If he took the steriods, then he is completely responsible for this alleged case of "roid rage." He could have prevented this whole situation by not taking the goddamned drugs -- assuming that is, in fact, the reason why he snapped. How is this any different than a person who drinks and drives and kills somebody? You consume the alcohol, the effects impair your judgment, and you kill somebody. You take steriods, the effects impair your judgment, and you kill your wife and son. Chris Benoit DESERVES to be villified and blamed for his hideous actions, as well as the decisions he made which you say led to those actions.

One act should not define the man's life, but you can't say he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting right now; he brought it upon himself. I have no respect for anybody who shares your skewed viewpoint on the situation.

[jballa838]

No matter what he was like "mentally" during what happened, there is no justification or excuse for doing what he did.

That said, there was a "reason" for why he did do what he did, like it or not. And we need to find that out. But like I said, there is no justifiable reasoning to kill your family like that.
ok, you go jump off of a turnbuckle headfirst about 1000 times and see if you dont do something crazy.

[jballa838]

Talking about roid rage as some sort of defense for his actions simply disgusts me, man. If he took the steriods, then he is completely responsible for this alleged case of "roid rage." He could have prevented this whole situation by not taking the goddamned drugs -- assuming that is, in fact, the reason why he snapped. How is this any different than a person who drinks and drives and kills somebody? You consume the alcohol, the effects impair your judgment, and you kill somebody. You take steriods, the effects impair your judgment, and you kill your wife and son. Chris Benoit DESERVES to be villified and blamed for his hideous actions, as well as the decisions he made which you say led to those actions.

One act should not define the man's life, but you can't say he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting right now; he brought it upon himself. I have no respect for anybody who shares your skewed viewpoint on the situation.
you too....

[Moses]

ok, you go jump off of a turnbuckle headfirst about 1000 times and see if you dont do something crazy.

Not like there isn't a thousand other wrestlers who have done that and not killed their wife and 7-year-old son.

[TigerBait45]

Theres no excuse for his actions. Living the lifestyle of a professional wrestler was a personal choice.

The fact of the matter is he killed two people, one of them was his own damn child. Its disgusting.

[Acreboy]

Not like there isn't a thousand other wrestlers who have done that and not killed their wife and 7-year-old son.Not all will suffer the same injuries. Same as football. Not all will be depressed and kill themselves.

[BigDawg819]

Talking about roid rage as some sort of defense for his actions simply disgusts me, man. If he took the steriods, then he is completely responsible for this alleged case of "roid rage." He could have prevented this whole situation by not taking the goddamned drugs -- assuming that is, in fact, the reason why he snapped. How is this any different than a person who drinks and drives and kills somebody? You consume the alcohol, the effects impair your judgment, and you kill somebody. You take steriods, the effects impair your judgment, and you kill your wife and son. Chris Benoit DESERVES to be villified and blamed for his hideous actions, as well as the decisions he made which you say led to those actions.

One act should not define the man's life, but you can't say he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting right now; he brought it upon himself. I have no respect for anybody who shares your skewed viewpoint on the situation.


First of all whether or not I have your respect is of no difference to me. Secondly I'm not trying to "justify" what he may have done. If you have kept up with the thread, you will not see me use the phrase roid rage one time. In fact I have stated that there is no explanation for what happened nor should people try to explain it.

There is no explanation for what happened, and trying to make sense of a senseless event is futile.

[jballa838]

how do you know his wife didnt kill the child?

[Moses]

Not all will suffer the same injuries. Same as football. Not all will be depressed and kill themselves.

I don't see how that is a justification for what he did. He murder his son and wife. That is insane, no matter who you are.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

you too....

Not like there isn't a thousand other wrestlers who have done that and not killed their wife and 7-year-old son.

B-I-N-G-O, and Bingo was his name-oh.

[SubNoize]

ok, you go jump off of a turnbuckle headfirst about 1000 times and see if you dont do something crazy.

are you serious? Well hell call up the Hogans because the Hulkster wrestled and took roids for years, so he may just rage out and kill them. I'm sorry but there's no way he was raging for that long. He bound and tied his wife, choked her to death and drug her upstairs. Then a day later he chokes his son who he was feeding HGH for being too small? This guy obviously led a sick strange life behind the "wholesome" wrestling persona he had. I can't get over how disgusted I am that anybody would even feel sorry for this guy, let alone glorify his wrestling days, even the WWE had enough sense to yank the guy out of existence.

[Moses]

how do you know his wife didnt kill the child?

Because there is no evidence currently that has been released to the public that would support that claim? Also, his wife was killed before the child...

[Cashmoney]

how do you know his wife didnt kill the child?

uhh, because police came out and said benoit smothered his son.

[TigerBait45]

I think it all goes back on him anyway, though. Hes been doing this for 22 years. He had chances to seek help but he didn't.

[SubNoize]

how do you know his wife didnt kill the child?

his wife was dead on friday, 7 year old child saturday....

[M.O.T.H.]

how do you know his wife didnt kill the child?

because, she died the day before the son......

[jballa838]

Not all will suffer the same injuries. Same as football. Not all will be depressed and kill themselves.
thats true right there.

[Cashmoney]

dont know that this is really anything new, but sportscenter just said prescription drugs were found in benoits home, so even more evidence against him...

[TigerBait45]

That doesn't make what he did any less horrible. I don't really understand what you're trying to argue here. (jballa)

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

First of all whether or not I have your respect is of no difference to me. Secondly I'm not trying to "justify" what he may have done. If you have kept up with the thread, you will not see me use the phrase roid rage one time. In fact I have stated that there is no explanation for what happened nor should people try to explain it.

I'm not addressing only you with the roid rage stuff. I have follwed this thread, and I could make a long-ass post by simply quoting the many times it's been brought up. It sounded a whole hell of a lot like you believed this happened as a result of steroid usage:

you would know that authorities found numerous prescription bottles along with steroids which would lead an intelligent person to assume these crimes weren't committed by a rational person.

Explain that.

I never said he was rational when he killed his wife and child. If I get wasted and become completely irrational and kill someone, does it make it any more excusable?

[Cashmoney]

That doesn't make what he did any less horrible. I don't really understand what you're trying to argue here. (jballa)

wait are you talking to me? cause if you are, im not making excuses, im saying that this goes against those people that are giving benoit benefit of the doubt.

[BigDawg819]

I think it all goes back on him anyway, though. Hes been doing this for 22 years. He had chances to seek help but he didn't.

Seeking and receiving help doesn't always help or cure a problem. If the underlying theme of this saga is steroids, then it will ultimately go back on the wrestling industry and its practices. For example, Vince McMahon has for years preferred giants or muscle bound wrestlers over technical based wrestlers thus creating a certain culture. This culture has then spread throughout the industry and effects the young men and women in it, thus causing problems down the road. The worse thing is that we as a society don't turn are attention to problems such as steroids and what not until a tragedy of some sorts occurs.

[TigerBait45]

wait are you talking to me? cause if you are, im not making excuses, im saying that this goes against those people that are giving benoit benefit of the doubt.

No, not you. Your post got stuck in between the guy I was addressing and my own.

[jballa838]

That doesn't make what he did any less horrible. I don't really understand what you're trying to argue here. (jballa)
that he could have suffered numerous head injuries doing his signature move that nobody else does where he launches headfirst into the person which could have made him go crazy and do something without his own will behind him in a physicotic trance, so he puts a bible next to each of them to signify that he wants to see them in heaven and hangs himself.

[BigDawg819]

I'm not addressing only you with the roid rage stuff. I have follwed this thread, and I could make a long-ass post by simply quoting the many times it's been brought up. It sounded a whole hell of a lot like you believed this happened as a result of steroid usage:


Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg819 View Post
you would know that authorities found numerous prescription bottles along with steroids which would lead an intelligent person to assume these crimes weren't committed by a rational person.



Explain that.

I never said he was rational when he killed his wife and child. If I get wasted and become completely irrational and kill someone, does it make it any more excusable?

By saying he wasn't rational at the time is just introducing another element of the crime, not trying to justify it. There is no justification for a murder and yet whenever one happens people undoubtedly try to.

[jballa838]

No, not you. Your post got stuck in between the guy I was addressing and my own.
i answered this on the last page...

[BigDawg819]

that he could have suffered numerous head injuries doing his signature move that nobody else does where he launches headfirst into the person which could have made him go crazy and do something without his own will behind him in a physicotic trance, so he puts a bible next to each of them to signify that he wants to see them in heaven and hangs himself.

That definitely is a new theory of the crime, but one I highly doubt is plausible.

[LTgiants]

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.


http://nodq.com/wwe/184904680.shtml

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

By saying he wasn't rational at the time is just introducing another element of the crime, not trying to justify it. There is no justification for a murder and yet whenever one happens people undoubtedly try to.

But you insinuated that I wasn't aware of the steriod issue. I was well aware. It changes nothing to me.

[Cashmoney]

that he could have suffered numerous head injuries doing his signature move that nobody else does where he launches headfirst into the person which could have made him go crazy and do something without his own will behind him in a physicotic trance, so he puts a bible next to each of them to signify that he wants to see them in heaven and hangs himself.

dude is crazy cause what i understand of christianity is those who commit suicide dont make it to heaven. in fact they go to the opposite of heaven.

[jballa838]

That definitely is a new theory of the crime, but one I highly doubt is plausible.
why would he put bibles next to them if he didnt feel sorry for what happened?

i'm not saying or ruling out roid rage, but numerous blows to the head could cause him to do something in a semi-councious state that when he gets out of realizes what he did, puts bibles next to them, then goes and kills himself to either:
a) apologize in the after life
b) not face up to what he did
c) goes into depressional state and kills himself

[LTgiants]

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.


http://nodq.com/wwe/184904680.shtml

[BigDawg819]

This is a part people should read:


2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit's state of mind, and rightly did not do so.




3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

Well that should quiet the steroids angle of the debate.

[jballa838]

dude is crazy cause what i understand of christianity is those who commit suicide dont make it to heaven. in fact they go to the opposite of heaven.
see references made about significant concussions.

[BigDawg819]

But you insinuated that I wasn't aware of the steriod issue. I was well aware. It changes nothing to me.

I insinuated that you were trying to blame me for using a roid rage angle which I never did. As for changing something for you, I don't give a damn about you, your feelings, or your respect so stop trying to act as though you're important!

[jballa838]

This is a part people should read:

Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit's state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

exactly my point. i did not use roid rage in my agruement because it hasnt been proven. watch any match and see if he doesnt go for the flying headbutt. 22 years of head trauma could cause anything.

[TigerBait45]

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.


http://nodq.com/wwe/184904680.shtml

For the sake of debate, thats a WWE press release. They're obviously not going to agree that he was in the midst of a steroid induced rage. I suppose that is the truth, but you know.

[SubNoize]

why would he put bibles next to them if he didnt feel sorry for what happened?

i'm not saying or ruling out roid rage, but numerous blows to the head could cause him to do something in a semi-councious state that when he gets out of realizes what he did, puts bibles next to them, then goes and kills himself to either:
a) apologize in the after life
b) not face up to what he did
c) goes into depressional state and kills himself

Per Christian/Catholic teachings, suicide is unforgivable in the eyes of god and he would not be able to "apologize" in the afterlife, I know that and I have no belief in religion whatsoever... B is likely the answer here, he killed 2 innocent people and couldn't man up to the consequences because he was a big vagina.

[jballa838]

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Chris-Benoit---206-Photograph-C11813194.jpeg
trademark move by chris benoit done numerous times.

[jballa838]

Per Christian/Catholic teachings, suicide is unforgivable in the eyes of god and he would not be able to "apologize" in the afterlife, I know that and I have no belief in religion whatsoever... B is likely the answer here, he killed 2 innocent people and couldn't man up to the consequences because he was a big vagina.
yet you refuse to look at number three, because you are not willing to see any other opinion.

[jballa838]

A diving headbutt is a jumping or sometimes free fall headbutt delivered from the top turnbuckle to anywhere on the opponent's body. The move was innovated accidentally by Harley Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Race), when he fell from the top turnbuckle onto his opponent. He adapted it as a signature move, and it was then adapted and further popularized by The Dynamite Kid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite_Kid). [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques#_note-DivingHeadbutt)
Race has stated that he regrets inventing the move because he feels that it has had a part in giving various wrestlers who utilize the move spine problems, most notably The Dynamite Kid.
Some versions include a "swan dive" style, where the performer spreads his arms out while falling. The "swan dive" is the most popular version today and its popularity is closely associated with Chris Benoit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit) who popularized it as one of his finishing maneuvers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques#Diving_he adbutt

[TigerBait45]

We get it.

[SubNoize]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques#Diving_he adbutt

yeah because spine problems cause you to murder your family. and as far as your number 3 or "C" on your list, what was he depressed about? He stayed in the house for over 48 hours with both bodies and then decides to kill himself on the day where he realized people might come looking for him??? Depressed my ass, if so why not just kill himself and spare the others? You're obviously trying very hard to blame what happend on his "Signature Move" that many other wrestlers have performed, but never done anything like this. If you search around you can see he had a history of violence when his wife originally tried to divorce him due to him beating her. He was a sick man, plain and simple, no roids, no health issues from a performance act, just plain horrible human being.

[MaxV]

BTW, I only recently found out that Hawk of L.O.D. has died.

The Road Warriors were one my favs also.

[-black]

why are people in here defending this guys actions? or since they will claim they are not defending his "actions" why are they looking for every justification/excuse/reason for what he did...he murdered his family. His freakin son. I LOVED Benoit when i watched wrestling....he was in the WCW then but he was a top 3 fav wrestler for WCW at the time for me (with Sting and Booker T)

but you have to seperate the figment of an entertainer that he was and look at what he did. Its people form the beginning in here who first made a tribute to the guy when they first heard he died, then assumed someone killed him...then REFUSED to believe it could be a murder-suicide, and now are trying to cite everything as to why he could have done this....who cares. Its disgusting.......stop trying to claim insanity or head injuries as to why he did this....

[sweetness34]

Like I said, you can respect a person as an athlete, but not respect them as a person. I respect what Benoit did on the mat, but I don't respect him off the mat for this tragedy. I respect OJ on the football field, but I hate him as a person.

I said "roid rage" was a possibility and it would certainly explain why he would do such as thing as kill his family, but it's not an excuse for doing so. In fact there is no excuse for killing your family, most of all your son (not that killing your spouse is any better). But since it was thrown at the window then this looks to be a cold blood murder (with the facts we have right now). I'll withold anymore judgment though until we get all the facts on this case. Because things are still out there that need to be explained...

[jballa838]

Like I said, you can respect a person as an athlete, but not respect them as a person. I respect what Benoit did on the mat, but I don't respect him off the mat for this tragedy. I respect OJ on the football field, but I hate him as a person.

I said "roid rage" was a possibility and it would certainly explain why he would do such as thing as kill his family, but it's not an excuse for doing so. In fact there is no excuse for killing your family, most of all your son (not that killing your spouse is any better). But since it was thrown at the window then this looks to be a cold blood murder (with the facts we have right now). I'll withold anymore judgment though until we get all the facts on this case. Because things are still out there that need to be explained...
nicely said. OJ is a hall of fame caliber player, and Benoit is a HoF wrestler regardless of what happened off the matr field

[Cashmoney]

why are people in here defending this guys actions? or since they will claim they are not defending his "actions" why are they looking for every justification/excuse/reason for what he did...he murdered his family. His freakin son. I LOVED Benoit when i watched wrestling....he was in the WCW then but he was a top 3 fav wrestler for WCW at the time for me (with Sting and Booker T)

but you have to seperate the figment of an entertainer that he was and look at what he did. Its people form the beginning in here who first made a tribute to the guy when they first heard he died, then assumed someone killed him...then REFUSED to believe it could be a murder-suicide, and now are trying to cite everything as to why he could have done this....who cares. Its disgusting.......stop trying to claim insanity or head injuries as to why he did this....

there's no point in arguing with these people black. when you make points they ignore them and try to call you names to take away attention from the points you'll make.

[Brodeur]

This had NOTHING to do with roid rage. Roid rage is never very extreme and really, with the statements at the press conference, it seems like it was pre meditated.

[Watchman]

nicely said. OJ is a hall of fame caliber player, and Benoit is a HoF wrestler regardless of what happened off the matr field

OJ is now remembered as the former football player that killed his wife and her friend.

Benoit will be remembered as a pro wrestler that killed his wife and son.


What each of their repective careers were becomes very irrelevant in terms of a legacy. Each is now infamous for similarly horrible acts.

[-black]

im not here to argue at all....I just wanted to pay my respects to each member of the family that was hurt in this incident.

I dont want to argue over anything like this or debate. I just cant fathom at all how anyone could kill another human being, especially your own child...Me being a father, it hits close to home that someone could do that.....and then his wife at that...the one he said "I do" too

stuff like this just makes me angry....and that people could justify it

prayers def go out to the Benoit family (who im sure are as shocked as anyone), the kids parent especially, and the wifes family

[T-RICH49]

Vince is going to be on ECW tonight to apologize for the Benoit Tribute last night and talk about the steroi accusation of if it helped cause Benoit's actions.This will be a must see ECW

[villagewarrior]

I must say I'm completely flabbergasted by this. Benoit was not at the top of my list of wrestler's with the potential to turn out as psychotic murderers. This is sad, I don't know what happened or why, and I won't try to formulate theories because it's pointless (although last night I was hoping against hope that someone else killed them [how sick is that?]), my thoughts and prayers go out to the people directly involved in the aftermath of this tragedy.

This sucks, Benoit was my favorite wrestler not just because he was a tremendous in-ring performer, but also because he seemed to be a respectful, stand up guy. This just goes to show that you can't judge a book by it's cover, you don't know what's written on the pages. I am just completely floored by this.

[Damix]

Looked back a few pages, didn't see this.

The story becomes more and more shocking...
In an interview with ESPN.com, Fayetteville, Georgia District Attorney Scott Ballard revealed new information on two text messages that Chris Benoit sent to Chavo Guerrero over the weekend. In the first message, Benoit told Guerrero that Nancy and Daniel Benoit were both sick. It is believed that Benoit sent this message after he had already killed both Nancy and Daniel. In the second message, Benoit told Guerrero that the gates to his house were open and that dogs were outside. It is believed that he sent the second message as a way of making sure the bodies were all found after his suicide.

Even more shocking is that Benoit's son, Daniel, was apparently found with needle marks in his arm. According to Ballard, the boy was being given Human Growth Hormones because the family thought he was undersized.

The article also states that Benoit used weights and the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment to hang himself.

Jim Ross has put up his comments on the Chris Benoit situation at JrsBarBQ.com.

WWE just issued the following statement regarding their decision to cancel their July tour of Canada: Out of respect for the surviving members of the Benoit family and the city of Edmonton, World Wrestling Entertainment® has postponed its Canadian tour scheduled from July 14-17. These dates include shows scheduled at the Credit Union Centre in Saskatoon, the Brandt Centre in Regina, the Pengrowth Saddledome in Calgary and the Rexall Place in Edmonton. Please check WWE.com and WWE programming in the near future for further information on the rescheduled events.

WWE's UK DVD distributor, Silvervision, has removed the Chris Benoit: Hard Knocks DVD from their website.

ToysRUs.com has pulled all Chris Benoit action figures from their website.

WWE.com has pulled the "I Did It" Mr. McMahon shirt from their website.

TNAwrestling.com has pulled the note of condolence about Chris Benoit that they had put up on Monday.

[-black]

post them.........

[SubNoize]

yes let's seem them

[Brodeur]

**** MSNBC for being complete and utter media tools.

[-black]

ehh, its the same picture....that 1 gets a F

[ElectricEye]

ehh, its the same picture

No such thing as original content. Everything is the same picture.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I insinuated that you were trying to blame me for using a roid rage angle which I never did. As for changing something for you, I don't give a damn about you, your feelings, or your respect so stop trying to act as though you're important!

You butted in and threw out some of your benighted thoughts in response to one of my posts that was not in any way, shape, or form addressing you. You felt the need, for whatever reason, to speak out against what I had to say in a manner that strongly insinuated that my opinion was, by your book, wrong and you just HAD to morph into Captain Courage and put a stop to it. Now, who's acting as if they're important, again? Clown.

[BigDawg819]

Here's an interesting twist to the ongoing saga:

# Bob Ryder from 1wrestling.com is reporting that sources close to Nancy Benoit say she had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages from Chris Benoit, and if anythng were to happen to her, police should check the box. Ryder also reports that about a year ago Chris became paranoid and thought that he was always being followed and would not let Nancy leave the house. In addition, some friends close to Chris say that he hated religion while others say he recently became religious.


# Some quotes from an interview with District Attorney Scott Ballard - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133
In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized. That was only one of the strange facts that Ballard revealed. He said that two text messages of note caused authorities to investigate the house. In one, Benoit told somebody he knew that his wife and son were sick. "Of course, they were dead," Ballard told ESPN.com. In a second message to a neighbor, Benoit said that the door of the house was open and the pets were outside. "And our assumption is that that was an effort to try and get somebody to come find the bodies after the suicide," Ballard said. "That is our assumption."

Ballard said that Benoit's wife, 43, was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Ballard told ESPN.com that it appeared that she had been pinned to the floor and asphyxiated with some sort of cable. The son, Daniel, was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, Ballard said. The district attorney indicated that he had been choked to death. Benoit, 40, apparently killed himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, his body found hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment. Ballard said that he had used weights, the pulley and cable to choke himself to death.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133


Came from here: http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2007/articles/1182900747.php

[BigDawg819]

Reported By Patrick W. Boucher on Jun 26, 2007 - 8:01:08 PM

Bret Hart was interviewed by Global News in Canada on the death of Chris Benoit earlier today. He spoke on the chances of steroids being the cause of the incident, but says that he will wait for confirmation on the stories before saying anything about it. He says that he can't imagine Chris doing the things that they are saying on the news.

http://www.pwheadlines.com/WWE_News/Bret_Hart_Speaks_On_Chris_Benoit_Steroids_More.sht ml

[BigDawg819]

Here you go Damix, they linked Benoit to steroids:

http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6714550&nav=2aKD

Associated Press - June 26, 2007 10:05 PM ET

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A professional wrestler who killed himself and his family was a former customer of a company implicated in an upstate New York investigation of illegal steroid sales.

That's according to the Albany County District Attorney's Office, which is conducting the investigation here.

Authorities in Fayetteville, Georgia, say today that Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son before hanging himself over the weekend.

Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscular man was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage."

In Albany, the DA's office confirms the 40-year-old Benoit was a customer as recently as last year of the south Florida company MedXLife.

2 of its co-owners pleaded guilty to drug charges in Albany County in April, admitting they helped get prescriptions drugs in 2006 for customers in upstate New York who had no medical need for them. The pair testified Signature Pharmacy of Orlando filled the orders.

MedXLife, no longer taking orders, attracted customers through its Web site.

[BigDawg819]

The saga keeps going:


Reported By Shawn Moniz on Jun 26, 2007 - 4:51:15 PM

Bob Ryder at 1wrestling.com recently spoke with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit, there were apparently warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit. One person who wanted to remain nameless said:

"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."

“Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”

In addition to this 1wrestling.com also learned that Nancy Benoit had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages. She set it up that if anything should happen to her, authorities would be able to check the box.

http://www.pwheadlines.com/WWE_News/Benoit_Apparently_Shown_Warning_Signs.shtml

[NGSeiler]

The fishy thing to me is the fact he killed his wife and son during the weekend but didnt kill himself until Monday. That must have sucked sitting there with his family dead for a day or two thinking about what he did while their bodies were still in the house.

Yeah, that must have sucked for him... ? :confused:

I wonder what the guys who spoke about Benoit are thinking right now

Probably the same thing that everyone else whose image of Benoit has drastically changed over the last 24 hours is thinking as well - "WTF!?!"

It seems pretty clear that the Benoit everyone knew professionally was different than the Benoit who did this. It's understandable that they'd be upset given what they knew. Heck, everyone in this thread was as well until details began to break.

[comahan]

cut it out with the pictures.

[Brodeur]

cut it out with the pictures.

Thank you for saying it.

[BigDawg819]

That's f'd up right there.

Its very poor taste, especially from someone who is trying to criticize others for their opinions....

[Damix]

Of course they'll try there hardest to link it to Steroids, not only will it help this countries crusade against them by making Benoit a poster boy for it it also helps ratings because steroids, as much people hate them, makes for an interesting topic and people will tune in.

[SuperKevin]

I hate that I was right in believing from the getgo that he killed his family. i wish it didn't happen that way but the guy deserves to be shunned and have anything he did in the ring completely ignored. I can't imagine why people still like this guy after such a horrible crime

[Shane P. Hallam]

cut it out with the pictures.

No joke guys. You all need to cut it out. Some people DO get offended by what you post. Share them over PM if you want to, or we could have problems.

[BigDawg819]

More news as it happens:

Reported By Patrick W. Boucher on Jun 26, 2007 - 10:42:47 PM

Canadian female Pam Winthrope told News 1130 in Canada that Chris Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome.

According to WebMD, "Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder."

Winthrope, whose son also suffers from the condition, told the Canadian news outlet that her husband reached out to Benoit five years ago in an attempt to increase awareness about Fragile X.

She told News 1130, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."

Winthrope noted that the lack of support for those affected by the disorder can tear families apart. Nonetheless, "she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son," wrote News 1130.


http://www.pwheadlines.com/WWE_News/Report_Benoit_s_Son_Had_Fragile_X_Syndrome.shtml

[-black]

I apologise

[PalmerToCJ]

Interesting, pulled from another board... Unsure of source and I don't think it's been posted yet.

Detailed WWE/Benoit timeline
Written: June 26, 2007

Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday:

Saturday, June 23, 2007

Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE SmackDown/ ECW live event in Beaumont, Texas

3:30pm
A co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, “I love you”. The co-worker stated that it was “out of context.”

3:42pm
The same co-worker was concerned with Benoit’s tone and demeanor and called Benoit for a second time. Benoit did not answer the call and the co-worker left a message stating “just call me back.”

3:44pm
Benoit called the co-worker back stating he didn’t answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta changing his flight. Benoit stated he had a real stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel being sick with food poisoning. They discussed travel plans for the WWE Tour of Texas with Benoit still sounding groggy at this point according to the co-worker.

4:30pm
A co-worker who consistently travels with Benoit, called Benoit from outside Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the co-worker that Nancy was throwing up blood and that Daniel was also throwing up. Benoit thought they had food poisoning. Benoit stated he changed his flight and he would be arriving into Houston at 6:30pm. Benoit told the co-worker to drive onto the WWE event.

5:35pm
Benoit called WWE Talent Relations stating that his son was throwing up and that he and Nancy were in the hospital with their son, and that Benoit would be taking a later flight into Houston, landing late, but would make the WWE live event in Beaumont.

6:10pm
A representative of Talent Relations called Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations asked Benoit what time Benoit was getting into Beaumont. Benoit responded he was leaving Atlanta at 9:20pm Eastern time arriving into Houston at 9:24pm Central time. The representative from Talent Relations advised Benoit that it would be too late to make the WWE live event in Beaumont. Benoit apologized citing he had a family emergency. The representative from Talent Relations suggested to Benoit that instead of going to the WWE live event in Beaumont, Benoit should take the flight to Houston, rest up and be ready for the Vengeance Pay-Per-View event.

6:13pm
The representative from Talent Relations called Benoit to reconfirm the travel plans with no answer from Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations left a voice message to take the flight and rest up.



Sunday, June 24, 2007

Text messages sent to co-workers from Chris Benoit and Nancy Benoit’s cell phones:

Text Message 1
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am from
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 2
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am
Message: The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open

Text Message 3
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:54am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 4
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:55am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 5
Sent to: A Co-Worker who consistently traveled with Benoit
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:58am
Message: My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

WWE made several attempts to contact Benoit via phone and text messages, as well as, the local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 pm Sunday night there was no contact made with Benoit.



Monday, June 25, 2007

12:30pm
WWE was notified of text messages sent to the two co-workers.

12:45pm
WWE contacted the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office and requested them to go to Benoit’s
residence

4:00pm
WWE received a call from the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office, advising that they entered
the house of Benoit and found 3 deceased bodies (a male, a female and a child). The Fayetteville Sheriff’s office has secured the house as a “major crime scene” and that the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s Office had no further information.

The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4 and 5 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.

[jballa838]

Interesting, pulled from another board... Unsure of source and I don't think it's been posted yet.
its on wwe.com front page

[PalmerToCJ]

its on wwe.com front page

lol well that's a fairly obvious source... I feel kinda stupid now :D

[Smokey Joe]

So, I assume WWE won't be morning Chris Benoit like previously they had? They are probably going to forget it ever happened probably, right?

[TigerBait45]

Vince McMahon pretty much said that on tonights show. I think Mondy was the last we'll ever hear about Chris Benoit from them.

[M.O.T.H.]

You think they'll continue the Mcmahon is dead story? or do they go back to the drawing board...

[Smokey Joe]

Vince McMahon pretty much said that on tonights show. I think Mondy was the last we'll ever hear about Chris Benoit from them.
okay, thanks for the info. I didn't see ecw tonight.

And to MOTH's question, I think they now improvise. I think it will be like something where Vince faked his death for some reason, etc.

[comahan]

Theyll probably just drop it altogether, though im interested to hear what their plan was, who that had doing it.

[TigerBait45]

Yeah, I'd guess that they're just gonna let it go and start something new.

It was a pretty lame storyline anyway, but thats not the point.

[YAYareaRB]

What's up with all those.. "Eric Bischoff taking over Raw.. AGAIN!" propaganda?

[Smokey Joe]

I wonder what drove Benoit crazy... I read it was pre-meditated... crime of passion perhaps?

[sweetness34]

I hate that I was right in believing from the getgo that he killed his family. i wish it didn't happen that way but the guy deserves to be shunned and have anything he did in the ring completely ignored. I can't imagine why people still like this guy after such a horrible crime

You can still respect the guy for what he did in the ring. But yes, I have lost all respect for him as a person.

[YAYareaRB]

I wonder what drove Benoit crazy... I read it was pre-meditated... crime of passion perhaps?

It strangely sounds like a pre-meditated murder. First the canceled flights and if it turns out that his family actually didn't have food poisoning.. he'll be ruled a murderer in the right mind.

[Smokey Joe]

Well, I don't want to say something bad about him when he might have had or developed some sort of mental disorder that no one knew about.

[-black]

what was the mchman dead storyline?

[sweetness34]

Well, I don't want to say something bad about him when he might have had or developed some sort of mental disorder that no one knew about.

People around him said he'd been acting a little different lately so who knows.

Like I said, the Chris Benoit I remember would not have done this, something triggered him to go absolutely insane.

And yea -black, those pictures were tasteless and disgusting to say the least.

[BlindSite]

I wonder what drove Benoit crazy... I read it was pre-meditated... crime of passion perhaps?

Something like 98% of murder is a crime of passion. The whole puking up blood thing makes me wonder if he was trying to kill his family for some reason.

If his wife found out he probably would've done something more direct and realised he had no way out and committed suicide.

[kwilk103]

guy on espn radio here in pittsburgh used to be a wcw announcer---mark madden

said on mondays show they were going to drop the mcmahon storyline all together---he still has friends/contacts in the business

said he knew benoit and he couldnt picture him doing this

[Acreboy]

What pics are u guys talking about?

[sweetness34]

What pics are u guys talking about?

They have since been deleted, and rightuflly so. Pretty disgusting IMO. If you really want to know what they were PM me. I'll describe them for you.

[NGSeiler]

I wonder what drove Benoit crazy... I read it was pre-meditated... crime of passion perhaps?

It's my understanding that premeditated murder and a crime of passion are basically on the opposite end of the spectrum from each other in terms of types of murder. I believe the former involves the killer showing intent to kill by planning everything in advance. Meanwhile, a crime of passion (again, as is my understand so I could be mistaken), is a sudden provocation where the person just acts out of emotion or rage and does not plan things out.

Again, I would think if Benoit killed his wife on one day, his son on the next, and then hung himself on day three, that's probably not a true crime of passion. I think the text messages also yield towards supporting premeditation, because aside from being pretty cold and eerie, they give details about the house as if he wants someone to go there to discover them ("The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open” and the strange reference to his "physical body").

It's not as if he came home and caught his wife in bed with someone else and then killed her and the boy out of blind rage. That, IMO, would classify as a crime of passion. Taking three days to kill your family and kill yourself along with sending text messages to prompt your co-workers to come to your home seems like more of a plan.

[Acreboy]

Why kill Daniel though?

[BlindSite]

I think that its going to be he's killed his son, or hurt his son, which lead to his death and then killed his wife when she found him out.

I can't see it any other way.

[NGSeiler]

Why kill Daniel though?

Who knows. With Benoit dead himself, it's impossible to know exactly what was going on in his mind or his true motives behind this.

You could construct a number of plausible theories as to what happened, but I think the circumstances (phone calls where Benoit is still talking about business, text messages to lure people to the house to make the discovery, the fact that it took place over an extended weekend instead of all at one time) suggest premeditation over some sudden crime of passion.

It is interesting though that Benoit is referred to a couple of times as sounding "groggy" in the timeline. The toxicology report should clear that up, and if something was in his system, then that clouds things even further, I would think.

I think that its going to be he's killed his son, or hurt his son, which lead to his death and then killed his wife when she found him out.

I can't see it any other way.

Out of curiosity, what leads you to believe that? I only ask because the investigators sound pretty certain that the wife was killed first.

[255979119]

Well here is somewhat a reason I would think of for Chris killing his son:

There was a guy who I went to school with, when he was 6 his father caught his mother cheating on him. He then shot the mother and the other man with a shotgun, and went upstairs after to tell his son to run out of the house. Soon thereafter he shot his head off. This kid who is now 19 is totally ****** up in the head. The psychological impact that this would have on a child could never be matched by anything else. I am not going to go into deeper personal details about the son, because I do not know enough accurate information about him psychologically. All I know is, after watching the video of the VT killer, it reminded me greatly of him.

[BufFan71]

wat could be possible is that something happened with his son (who suffer from fragile X syndrome) or w.e it was, and he became frustrated at his son,
and he killed him,
then he becomes mad at his wife for giving birth to a child who couldnt continue his legcay in the wwe, b/c he had fragile X syndrome,

yu never kno, it could be a possibilty

[BlindSite]

Who knows. With Benoit dead himself, it's impossible to know exactly what was going on in his mind or his true motives behind this.

You could construct a number of plausible theories as to what happened, but I think the circumstances (phone calls where Benoit is still talking about business, text messages to lure people to the house to make the discovery, the fact that it took place over an extended weekend instead of all at one time) suggest premeditation over some sudden crime of passion.

It is interesting though that Benoit is referred to a couple of times as sounding "groggy" in the timeline. The toxicology report should clear that up, and if something was in his system, then that clouds things even further, I would think.



Out of curiosity, what leads you to believe that? I only ask because the investigators sound pretty certain that the wife was killed first.

I've done some university level criminology studies and from what history and the norm in this sort of situation tells us is that most often a man or woman is more likely to kill their partner than their children.

killing one's children occurs when someone has a complete psychotic snap.

[mikehop05]

I've done some university level criminology studies and from what history and the norm in this sort of situation tells us is that most often a man or woman is more likely to kill their partner than their children.

killing one's children occurs when someone has a complete psychotic snap.

he had been giving the kid HGH for a while... the kid was 7

i do not doubt he had a psychotic snap, but that should be no excuse for what he did

[M.O.T.H.]

Wasnt he giving his son HGH because, he had fragile X syndrome? completely normal.

[comahan]

Wasnt he giving his son HGH because, he had fragile X syndrome? completely normal.

Yep, pretty much.

[PalmerToCJ]

This is all still so weird, I guess we'll never know what really led to all of this.

[BigDawg819]

This is all still so weird, I guess we'll never know what really led to all of this.

It seems like every hour or so another leak of information comes out, but in the end I think the DA said it best when he first said that this was going to be a "bizarre" case. It all is going to come down to what his mental state was, and even with all this information and whatever may come we may still not fully understand why he this. There's no sense involved when it comes to senseless acts.

[T-RICH49]

on a different topic did anyone see ECW last night?especially the Piper/Matt Stryker segmant

[MaxV]

I don't know if you guys saw this, but this is a good tribute video to Nancy Benoit:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rn0ynbVMkdU

[BigDawg819]

on a different topic did anyone see ECW last night?especially the Piper/Matt Stryker segmant

The Piper segment was good for a laugh, but the Cena/Nitro match was very nice. I was excited for the 2 out of 3 falls match with Punk and Burke, but sadly it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. Someone explain to me why Punk stopped using the Anaconda Vice? I loved that move.....

[-black]

People around him said he'd been acting a little different lately so who knows.

Like I said, the Chris Benoit I remember would not have done this, something triggered him to go absolutely insane.

And yea -black, those pictures were tasteless and disgusting to say the least.

perhaps....but the 1 of Benoit jumping into the casket is still funny to me

its not like i made the pics, but i ran across them on a diff board and laughed.....the pic was funny...nothing more nothing less

Ironic that when South Park makes fun of situations everyone will be laughing and patting them on the back...Holocast, ****, racism, war in iraq, ect.....laughing at it is just that....

only reason i apologised was because i should have ommited the one with him holdin the pillow (i smirked at that one too).....i did not aplogise for laughing at the photoshops

[WMD]

ECW was very good last night.. It felt like everything was wrestled in slow motion though.

[comahan]

PM the people if you want something. dont bother with it here.

[NGSeiler]

killing one's children occurs when someone has a complete psychotic snap.

We'll probably never know about Benoit's state of mind, unfortunately. Maybe he was suffering from some kind of mental depression or condition himself. We'll have to wait for the official toxicology report before we can say one way or another whether steroids were in his system.

[Acreboy]

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[villagewarrior]

I was very entertained with the 2/3 falls match, considering there was no build up at all and they only had a short time to work with. The Cena/Nitro match was real good too. Last night was the only night I wish ECW had more than an hour to work with.

[Vikes99ej]

Very sad to hear that about Benoit. He must have had some serious problems.

[Smokey Joe]

Was Nancy filling for a divorce now, or was the a couple years ago and then she just dropped it?

[BigDawg819]

Was Nancy filling for a divorce now, or was the a couple years ago and then she just dropped it?

The filing for divorce was in 2003, supposedly the recent troubles were with the upbringing of the boy Daniel with his condition.

[Jughead10]

"June 28, 2007 -- An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. - home to World Wrestling Entertainment - posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned."

From the NY Post. Very strange.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Just watched the clip of Vince McMahon on the Today Show this morning, and I have to say he did a wonderful job of answering the tough, and sometimes utterly ridiculous, questions asked by Meredith Viera.

[BigDawg819]

Just watched the clip of Vince McMahon on the Today Show this morning, and I have to say he did a wonderful job of answering the tough, and sometimes utterly ridiculous, questions asked by Meredith Viera.

The sad thing is that eventually the story won't be about the murders, but a witch hunt about steroids and Vince McMahon. While I concede steroids are a problem in the WWE, I realize the Wellness Program is in effect but come on take a look at Chris Masters who is just as big now as when he debuted, they're a problem across the board in professional sports but wrestling will take the brunt of it. Once again I admit how much I loathe the media.

[comahan]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/BlackieLawless/121.jpg

You would think the media would at least try to do a bit of research.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

The last question she asked Vince was something along the lines of "does the WWE make men into monsters?"

Stupid *****...

[BigDawg819]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/BlackieLawless/121.jpg

You would think the media would at least try to do a bit of research.

The sheer fact that they bring up Owen's death in this conversation just proves their incompetence. Owen's death was a tragedy because of the fact that it was an accident and witnessed on PPV. His death had nothing to do with steroids and yet they bring his name up. Its pathetic, callous, and shameful. Like I said, at some point this story will be about trying to blame Vince for this incident along with the other deaths. The sheer fact that Meredith would ask the monster question just illustrates how the media can't distinguish between storyline and reality and are just trying to find a scapegoat for this tragedy.

[Acreboy]

Benoit passed a steroid test in April so I don't think he's been active in steroid use.

[TigerBait45]

If I'm not mistaken, the WWE allows you to pass a steroid test if you're taking a prescibed dose and no more.

[eacantdraft]

Dead wrestlers are becoming as common as dead rappers.

History of the sleeze that is professional wrestling.
http://www.gumgod.com/mike_sex_lies_headlocks.htm

Superstar Billy Graham turned on the wrestling world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Superstar%22_Billy_Graham#Retirement

[eacantdraft]

The sheer fact that they bring up Owen's death in this conversation just proves their incompetence. Owen's death was a tragedy because of the fact that it was an accident and witnessed on PPV. His death had nothing to do with steroids and yet they bring his name up. Its pathetic, callous, and shameful. Like I said, at some point this story will be about trying to blame Vince for this incident along with the other deaths. The sheer fact that Meredith would ask the monster question just illustrates how the media can't distinguish between storyline and reality and are just trying to find a scapegoat for this tragedy.

Just the fact the WWE had so many deaths over the past few years warrants media scrutiny.

[BigDawg819]

Just the fact the WWE had so many deaths over the past few years warrants media scrutiny.

You missed the whole point about Owen Hart's death being included! There was no need to bring that up! Other then that why do you post in this thread? All you do is post negative stuff and exaggerate things. You negative repped me for a post about Benoit that was posted before the details were made available and yet you tried to negative rep me with the comment Benoit was a murder, guess what your rep is meaningless just like your contributions. Please stop being a troll in this thread, this is a thread for wrestling fans not for trolls like you trying to create controversy.

[TigerBait45]

Just the fact the WWE had so many deaths over the past few years warrants media scrutiny.

Yeah, but his death had nothing to do with steroids. It was a freak accident.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

guess what your rep is meaningless just like your contributions. Please stop being a troll in this thread, this is a thread for wrestling fans not for trolls like you trying to create controversy.

http://www.ryanestrada.com/ryans/highfive.jpg

[Acreboy]

Just the fact the WWE had so many deaths over the past few years warrants media scrutiny.Stay out of the thread.

[BufFan71]

Just watched the clip of Vince McMahon on the Today Show this morning, and I have to say he did a wonderful job of answering the tough, and sometimes utterly ridiculous, questions asked by Meredith Viera.

wat she ask? and wat did he say?

[eacantdraft]

wat she ask? and wat did he say?

Youtube it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5AK9fdBlN4

[eacantdraft]

Stay out of the thread.

No I won't. This is the Professional Wrestling Thread, not the Professional Wrestling kiss arse" thread.

We discuss steroids and criminal elements in baseball and basketball. Is there a reason wrestling is excluded from discussion?

And what's with the early death of so many rasslers?
http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

And that doesn't count the disabling injuries to Superstar Billy Graham and many others have had.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

No I won't. This is the Professional Wrestling Thread, not the Professional Wrestling kiss arse" thread.

We discuss steroids and criminal elements in baseball and basketball. Is there a reason wrestling is excluded from discussion?

And what's with the early death of so many rasslers?
http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

And that doesn't count the disabling injuries to Superstar Billy Graham and many others have had.

It's a profession which causes extreme wear and tear on the body over a long period of time. Many become addicted to painkillers and/or alcohol and drugs. As a result, many die young. Quit acting like you're uncovering some groundbreaking info that damages the sport's reputation. You're such an annoyance.

[NGSeiler]

"June 28, 2007 -- An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. - home to World Wrestling Entertainment - posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned."

From the NY Post. Very strange.

Yeah, that's pretty friggin' strange. I'd like to hear some more about that. Well-connected insider or someone from the WWE themselves?

[comahan]

Major news entities have reported on or are working on stories related to the mysterious Wikipedia entry made about Benoit's wife being dead 14 hours before authorities found the body.

The IP source has been traced to Stamford, Conn., as confirmed by Wikipedia's spokesperson. However, it has also been ruled out at the IP address has any connection to WWE's headquarters or servers they use.

Also, the IP address used has been linked to previous vile sexual, anti-***, and racist prank posts on Wikipedia in the past related to Stacy Keibler, The Sopranos, and Ron Artest. That IP address has also been linked to a highly offensive post on Chavo Guerrero's Wikipedia page.


Probably just a random guess from someone speculating on the 'personal reasons' that Benoit was absent from the ppv.

[Acreboy]

No I won't. This is the Professional Wrestling Thread, not the Professional Wrestling kiss arse" thread.

We discuss steroids and criminal elements in baseball and basketball. Is there a reason wrestling is excluded from discussion?

And what's with the early death of so many rasslers?
http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

And that doesn't count the disabling injuries to Superstar Billy Graham and many others have had.I say stay out because you add nothing but negativity. Nothing positive.

[comahan]

Just as a heads up, the TNA show tonight is supposed be be really good. All reports say that the Triple Threat World Title Match (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage vs. Rhino) tore the house down (its taped, so yea thats where the reports come from)

[Acreboy]

What time does TNA start?

[comahan]

in 15 minutes, 9 EST

[jballa838]

Just as a heads up, the TNA show tonight is supposed be be really good. All reports say that the Triple Threat World Title Match (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage vs. Rhino) tore the house down (its taped, so yea thats where the reports come from)
i hope TNA lasts long. it has a horrible time slot compared to raw IMO.

[jballa838]

ok NVM. i just saw what time you said. it was 11 on saturdays before

[comahan]

Yea, its only an hour long show atm, but its in a better time slot overall at 9 est.

[jballa838]

good call on TNA. it was awesome

[BufFan71]

quick question or 2..
how long has Jericho been out of wrestling?
and why?

[Acreboy]

No I won't. This is the Professional Wrestling Thread, not the Professional Wrestling kiss arse" thread.

We discuss steroids and criminal elements in baseball and basketball. Is there a reason wrestling is excluded from discussion?

And what's with the early death of so many rasslers?
http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

And that doesn't count the disabling injuries to Superstar Billy Graham and many others have had.
your neg rep does nothing so stop.

[comahan]

quick question or 2..
how long has Jericho been out of wrestling?
and why?

Like 2 years now, and because he was burnt out, and wanted to do other things (he wrote a book, he has a band, hes pitched some tv shows, and so on)

[BigDawg819]

quick question or 2..
how long has Jericho been out of wrestling?
and why?

Its been well over a year and he left because his contract was up and he was burnt out. Plus he had other projects he wanted to pursue, like acting, a radio show, movies, etc..

[BufFan71]

thanks (10 char)

[Smokey Joe]

"June 28, 2007 -- An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. - home to World Wrestling Entertainment - posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned."

From the NY Post. Very strange.
oh ****... :eek:

[eacantdraft]

It's a profession which causes extreme wear and tear on the body over a long period of time. Many become addicted to painkillers and/or alcohol and drugs. As a result, many die young. Quit acting like you're uncovering some groundbreaking info that damages the sport's reputation. You're such an annoyance.

First off, it's not a sport. A sport does not have predetermined winner.

2nd, The only one that damages professional wrestling reputation is wrestling itself.

[Acreboy]

First off, it's not a sport. A sport does not have predetermined winner.

2nd, The only one that damages professional wrestling reputation is wrestling itself.

sport http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fsport) /spɔrt, spoʊrt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spawrt, spohrt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/Acreboy/stupidpostfx5.gif

[BigDawg819]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/Acreboy/stupidpostfx5.gif

PWNED!!!! :D

[UKfan]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/Acreboy/stupidpostfx5.gif

I don't want to blow a hole in your argument particularly since I don't like that guy starting the arguments. But I am guessing the wrestling mentioned there would be like college wrestling and not wwe wrestling?

[Acreboy]

I don't want to blow a hole in your argument particularly since I don't like that guy starting the arguments. But I am guessing the wrestling mentioned there would be like college wrestling and not wwe wrestling?


wres·tling http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fwrestling) /ˈrɛshttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnglɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[res-ling] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.a sport in which two opponents struggle hand to hand in order to pin or press each other's shoulders to the mat or ground, with the style, rules, and regulations differing widely in amateur and professional matches.wres·tle http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fwrestling) (rěs'əl) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
v. wres·tled, wres·tling, wres·tles

v. intr.
To contend by grappling and attempting to throw or immobilize one's opponent, especially under contest rules.Not only that but don't these fall under WWE wrestling?

1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature,

[UKfan]

Cool, at least now it's spelt out irrefutably and he can't argue the point, wasn't trying to be a dick lol.

[eacantdraft]

Not only that but don't these fall under WWE wrestling?

No, the WWE outcome is predetermined. That is not a sport. A sport is a competitive situation (at least from the beginning). It's closer to a soap opera than a sport. Keep trying.

If you can't tell the difference between real wrestling (Roman Greco) and farce wrestling (WWE), then you need help.

[BigDawg819]

No, the WWE outcome is predetermined. That is not a sport. A sport is a competitive situation (at least from the beginning). It's closer to a soap opera than a sport. Keep trying.

If you can't tell the difference between real wrestling (Roman Greco) and farce wrestling (WWE), then you need help.

You know what, you aren't even worth my time anymore. Keep being a troll and eventually you will get banned.

[jballa838]

No, the WWE outcome is predetermined. That is not a sport. A sport is a competitive situation (at least from the beginning). It's closer to a soap opera than a sport. Keep trying.

If you can't tell the difference between real wrestling (Roman Greco) and farce wrestling (WWE), then you need help.
so, what do you classify freestyle wrestling as?
plus it is called Greco-Roman idiot

[eacantdraft]

so, what do you classify freestyle wrestling as?

That's a sport. The outcome isn't listed on a script.

[jballa838]

That's a sport. The outcome isn't listed on a script.
so it wasnt a sport when the WHite Sox threw the world series?
they were still playing baseball which oyu consider a sport, and the outcome was on a script.

[eacantdraft]

You know what, you aren't even worth my time anymore. Keep being a troll and eventually you will get banned.

You don't even know what a troll is. Showing what a sleeze operation professional wrestling is not being a troll.

[jballa838]

so you make fun of shiver for dodging and you dodged the fact that i pwned your look of a sport

[eacantdraft]

so it wasnt a sport when the WHite Sox threw the world series?
they were still playing baseball which oyu consider a sport, and the outcome was on a script.

What a lame example. What the White Sox playes did was a crime. They were arrested and it went to trial. The players were banned for life. Maybe the WWE should get the same treatment if they were a sport.

[jballa838]

What a lame example. What the White Sox playes did was a crime. They were arrested and it went to trial. The players were banned for life. Maybe the WWE should get the same treatment if they were a sport.
just a question:
HAVE YOU EVER F****** WATCHED WRESTLING??

[eacantdraft]

so you make fun of shiver for dodging and you dodged the fact that i pwned your look of a sport

Dodged what fact? You have done nothing but come up with lame examples that I quickly shot down. As I said, a sport doesn't have a predetermined outcome. If it does then it's a crime.

[eacantdraft]

just a question:
HAVE YOU EVER F****** WATCHED WRESTLING??

Yes I have. It's for the brain dead.

I like to watch events that are not don't have predetermined outcomes, have better acting, and aren't filled with the criminal element.

[comahan]

Then you wont have a problem getting out of this thread.

[jballa838]

Yes I have. It's for the brain dead.
so you have watched it and people preforming an athletic activity like throwing people or jumping off ladders and turnbuckles arent considered athletes?
if your answer is yes, then isnt it true that sports are athletics?
if your answer is yes again, then isnt it true that athletes make up athletics?
if your answer is yes again, then isnt it true that wrestlers are athletes?

so using logic, wrestlers are athletes, athletes play athletics, and athletics are sports, meaning that wrestlers are in a sport called wrestling?

[eacantdraft]

so you have watched it and people preforming an athletic activity like throwing people or jumping off ladders and turnbuckles arent considered athletes?
if your answer is yes, then isnt it true that sports are athletics?
if your answer is yes again, then isnt it true that athletes make up athletics?
if your answer is yes again, then isnt it true that wrestlers are athletes?

so using logic, wrestlers are athletes, athletes play athletics, and athletics are sports, meaning that wrestlers are in a sport called wrestling?

You just decribed stuntmen. Stuntmen in a scripted show where the outcome is pretermined is a show, not a sport.

[BigDawg819]

You just decribed stuntmen. Stuntmen in a scripted show where the outcome is pretermined is a show, not a sport.

GO AWAY TROLL!!!!

[jballa838]

You just decribed stuntmen. Stuntmen in a scripted show where the outcome is pretermined is a show, not a sport.
i also described football players. football players are stuntmen too?

[BigDawg819]

You just decribed stuntmen. Stuntmen in a scripted show where the outcome is pretermined is a show, not a sport.

I can't handle the truth? Be a Man? Who in the blue hell do you think you are to tell me anything? You're just a troll who likes to cause trouble to make yourself feel important. Wrestling fans know its scripted, that's why its called sports entertainment. Its a sport and is entertainment hence the combination. Get a life will you?

[Brodeur]

You just decribed stuntmen. Stuntmen in a scripted show where the outcome is pretermined is a show, not a sport.

Why are you still in this thread?

[YAYareaRB]

It's not like they don't have athletic ability because they do.. Most wrestlers are more in shape than some football players. Get outta here you little terd! You just a idiot with a computer.

[comahan]

Kurt Angle beat Brock Lesnar for the IWGP belt that Lesnar decided not to give back to the company when he left :P

Angle now holds 2 of the best looking belts in wrestling.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8567/20070629196wk6.jpg

[BigDawg819]

Kurt Angle beat Brock Lesnar for the IWGP belt that Lesnar decided not to give back to the company when he left :P

Angle now holds 2 of the best looking belts in wrestling.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8567/20070629196wk6.jpg

Angle is a wrestling beast! :D

[Nitschke-Hawk]

I don't know how eacantdraft made it to 2,000 posts.

[BigDawg819]

I don't know how eacantdraft made it to 2,000 posts.

Yeah how he hasn't been banned as a troll is inconceivable.

[BufFan71]

is brock lesnar back in wrestling?

[comahan]

eacantdraft is suspended for a week.

[comahan]

is brock lesnar back in wrestling?

This was, I believe, a one time thing, at least for the time being.

[BufFan71]

cuz he was playing the NFL europe, and now that its gonna be cancelled, i could see him going back to wrestling

[M.O.T.H.]

What has Brock been up to??? He's really fallen off since leaving wrestling for his short-lived football career...very short lived...ha.

[comahan]

cuz he was playing the NFL europe, and now that its gonna be cancelled, i could see him going back to wrestling

Brock was NOT playing in nfl europe. Hes been training and fighting in MMA. He left WWE to tryout for the Vikings, that didnt work out, so he went and wrestled in Japan for a bit before going into MMA.

[SuperMcgee]

Isn't Lesnar doing MMA?

[jballa838]

eacantdraft is suspended for a week.
great week ahead for everyone

[TigerBait45]

MMA suits him. Hes got scary strength.

I'd like to see him get back into the business. He didn't have a lot of charisma but he put on some really entertaining matches.

[M.O.T.H.]

I like to see him take on Bob Sapp....that would be fun to watch...

[Nitschke-Hawk]

Brock Lesnar vs. Tommie Harris

[TigerBait45]

Oh man that would be epic. Lesnar vs. Bob Sapp I mean.

[M.O.T.H.]

Brock Lesnar vs. Tommie Harris

If were talking football...Tommie would kill him...Lesnar got dominated by Bryant Mckinnie in training camp...it was disgusting. Lesnar's strength def. didnt carry over to the football field.

[M.O.T.H.]

Oh man that would be epic. Lesnar vs. Bob Sapp I mean.

Greatest match ever...I'd def. pay to see that.

[comahan]

In lesnars only mma fight so far, he actually made a guy tap to punches.

Admittedly, the guy they fed to lesnar was a complete nobody, but it was still pretty damn impressive.

I think Lesnar could be good in MMA, he has amazing strength, and is a damn good amateur wrestler.

[M.O.T.H.]

Speaking of former wrestling stars...Bill Goldberg...where is he at? also.... Kevin Nash...I know he's been in a few movies. (The Punisher/Grandma's boy).

[comahan]

Speaking of former wrestling stars...Bill Goldberg...where is he at? also.... Kevin Nash...I know he's been in a few movies. (The Punisher/Grandma's boy).

Nash is in TNA, hes a manager/backstage personality. He does some hilarious skits backstage.

Goldberg, last i saw, is an MMA Color Commentator. he might host a random tv show here and there also.

[M.O.T.H.]

Nash is in TNA, hes a manager/backstage personality. He does some hilarious skits backstage.

Goldberg, last i saw, is an MMA Color Commentator. he might host a random tv show here and there also.

Thanks Comahan...you're always the man to ask...:)

[M.O.T.H.]

Just imagine....

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f149/brickman08865/bob-sapp.jpg
6'5 350 lbs

VS.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f149/brickman08865/BROC.jpg
6'2 280 lbs