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sweetness34
12-17-2006, 06:57 PM
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
On neutral court?
Hmmm...I'd say Wisky, I was more impressed with them then tOSU. I still question the Buckeyes' experience and their ability to be consistent.
NickBam
12-17-2006, 06:59 PM
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
January 4th we shall see.
Ohio State with Oden regaining use of his right hand.
Eaglez.Fan
12-17-2006, 07:01 PM
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
January 4th we shall see.
Ohio State with Oden regaining use of his right hand.
yah, OSU will win, but it will be close. I haven't been impressed with the rest of OSU
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
January 4th we shall see.
Ohio State with Oden regaining use of his right hand.
Wisconsin with Preseason Big Ten player of the year Alando Tucker.
NickBam
12-17-2006, 07:05 PM
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
January 4th we shall see.
Ohio State with Oden regaining use of his right hand.
Wisconsin with Preseason Big Ten player of the year Alando Tucker.
Shucks, I wish Oden was preseason Player of the Year.
YES! BUTLER WON!
SIU is going to beat you guys. 8)
Good Call. 8)
sweetness34
12-17-2006, 09:20 PM
YES! BUTLER WON!
SIU is going to beat you guys. 8)
Good Call. 8)
Ugh that was a terrible game to watch. SIU is god awful on offense. Have fun in the Big 10 this year! :D
YES! BUTLER WON!
SIU is going to beat you guys. 8)
Good Call. 8)
Ugh that was a terrible game to watch. SIU is god awful on offense. Have fun in the Big 10 this year! :D
No, we're just that good on defense.
sweetness34
12-17-2006, 09:23 PM
YES! BUTLER WON!
SIU is going to beat you guys. 8)
Good Call. 8)
Ugh that was a terrible game to watch. SIU is god awful on offense. Have fun in the Big 10 this year! :D
No, we're just that good on defense.
SIU is that bad on offense, trust me, I've seen a lot of their games. They are anemic.
Sure you have good D but SIU is not good on O.
UCLA owns all
just wanted to get that out there
#5 yes. Looking foreward to that 4-5 matchup.
sweetness34
12-18-2006, 09:26 PM
Illinois won by 27... :D ....Over Belmont. :cry: :lol:
Randle is a STUD. This dude has All-Big 10 written all over him if he can stay healthy.
eazyb81
12-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Illinois won by 27... :D ....Over Belmont. :cry: :lol:
Randle is a STUD. This dude has All-Big 10 written all over him if he can stay healthy.
Tune-up for Braggin Rights?
Should be a good one this year, now that Quinny the Pooh is gone.
sweetness34
12-18-2006, 09:48 PM
Illinois won by 27... :D ....Over Belmont. :cry: :lol:
Randle is a STUD. This dude has All-Big 10 written all over him if he can stay healthy.
Tune-up for Braggin Rights?
Should be a good one this year, now that Quinny the Pooh is gone.
It's going to be a good game. Of course I'm going to pick Illinois because I believe we're the better team, but it'll be a very good game. We're finally healthy. :D
eazyb81
12-18-2006, 09:52 PM
Illinois won by 27... :D ....Over Belmont. :cry: :lol:
Randle is a STUD. This dude has All-Big 10 written all over him if he can stay healthy.
Tune-up for Braggin Rights?
Should be a good one this year, now that Quinny the Pooh is gone.
It's going to be a good game. Of course I'm going to pick Illinois because I believe we're the better team, but it'll be a very good game. We're finally healthy. :D
I wish I could go to the game....i've never been before, but I hear that the atmospere is electric. One side black and gold, the other side blue and orange....pretty cool.
sweetness34
12-18-2006, 09:58 PM
Illinois won by 27... :D ....Over Belmont. :cry: :lol:
Randle is a STUD. This dude has All-Big 10 written all over him if he can stay healthy.
Tune-up for Braggin Rights?
Should be a good one this year, now that Quinny the Pooh is gone.
It's going to be a good game. Of course I'm going to pick Illinois because I believe we're the better team, but it'll be a very good game. We're finally healthy. :D
I wish I could go to the game....i've never been before, but I hear that the atmospere is electric. One side black and gold, the other side blue and orange....pretty cool.
I went two years ago and it was awesome. The atmosphere is crazy.
sweetness34
12-19-2006, 10:58 PM
Illinois won by 27... :D ....Over Belmont. :cry: :lol:
Randle is a STUD. This dude has All-Big 10 written all over him if he can stay healthy.
Tune-up for Braggin Rights?
Should be a good one this year, now that Quinny the Pooh is gone.
It's going to be a good game. Of course I'm going to pick Illinois because I believe we're the better team, but it'll be a very good game. We're finally healthy. :D
God I love being right sometimes. 8)
Wow, what a game though. My god. Both teams battled hard, whew and we won, which made it even better.
Like I've said over and over, we're a top 25 team and it's about time the voters realize that. We should've beaten two ranked teams without 2 of our best players healthy. And yet Duke is at #6 and almost lost to Kent State. Gimme a damn break.
Hopefully we'll get some respect in the polls after this game. If we hit on all cylinders like I know we can we'll be a tough team this season.
sweetness34
12-20-2006, 07:46 PM
We suck.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sanctions is going to kill that program. The only saving grace you might have is Eric Gordon, but even he is going to be hamstrung in that system IMO.
yo123
12-20-2006, 09:29 PM
wow Kevin Durant is such a stud. so smooth
FlutiesDropKick
12-20-2006, 09:32 PM
wow Kevin Durant is such a stud. so smooth
imagine if Aldridge and Tucker came back too that team....it would be insane
yo123
12-20-2006, 09:41 PM
Whose gonna watch Washington LSU tonight? Should be a great game. Battle of the bigs brockman and big baby. Hawes has been playing great lately too.
sweetness34
12-20-2006, 10:20 PM
wow Kevin Durant is such a stud. so smooth
imagine if Aldridge and Tucker came back too that team....it would be insane
And Gibson.
TitleTown088
12-21-2006, 01:37 AM
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
January 4th we shall see.
Ohio State with Oden regaining use of his right hand.
Wisconsin with Preseason Big Ten player of the year Alando Tucker.
any of you wisonsin guys follow joe krabenhoft for the badgers at all?
BTW http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Mens_Basketball/6741_04_ESPN_vitale.JPG The dookies are back baby!! are you ready for this America?!!
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 01:38 AM
UW pretty much dominated LSU tonight. Hawes is an absolute beast. He's not overpowering or anything, but his fundamentals are terrific. He took Big Baby completely out of his game. And then the rest of the team was just solid. LSU as a whole weren't really going by their gameplan. This one was at home so it still doesn't tell a whole lot, but solid win for the Huskies. We'll have to wait until we play Pitt and UCLA to see how well this team can play on the road.
Duke or Gonzaga? Who will win?
Duke or Gonzaga? Who will win?
Gonzaga.
Duke or Gonzaga? Who will win?
Gonzaga. I say Duke they dont have anyone to match-up against McRoberts.
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 02:10 PM
Duke or Gonzaga? Who will win?
Gonzaga. I say Duke they dont have anyone to match-up against McRoberts.
If Heitfeldt (sp?) is on, he can. He stopped Hansbrough, after all. Duke should lose this game, but I'm hoping they win.
Duke or Gonzaga? Who will win?
Gonzaga. I say Duke they dont have anyone to match-up against McRoberts.
I hate McRoberts. He is an overrated piece of crap who got shut down by Ben Allen. I guarantee you Gonzaga will have someone for him.
sweetness34
12-21-2006, 02:35 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 02:58 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
sweetness34
12-21-2006, 03:57 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
sweetness34
12-21-2006, 05:24 PM
Which team would win head to head. Wisconsin or OSU?
January 4th we shall see.
Ohio State with Oden regaining use of his right hand.
Wisconsin with Preseason Big Ten player of the year Alando Tucker.
any of you wisonsin guys follow joe krabenhoft for the badgers at all?
BTW http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Mens_Basketball/6741_04_ESPN_vitale.JPG The dookies are back baby!! are you ready for this America?!!
No kidding. Vitale's doing the game tonight, get ready for good ole Dickie V to drop down on his knees and open up his mouth for the Blue Devils.
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 05:42 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
So really, a lot of teams don't belong in the top 20. But that doesn't even matter, because it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on the seedings for the tournament or who even gets in, which is all that really matters.
sweetness34
12-21-2006, 06:47 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
So really, a lot of teams don't belong in the top 20. But that doesn't even matter, because it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on the seedings for the tournament or who even gets in, which is all that really matters.
No it's the fact that the only reason why Duke is in the top 20 is because of their friggin name. McRoberts might be the most overrated player in the nation, Paulus as well. Nelson is their only "player" that I've seen this season. They're going to get flat out murdered in the ACC this season.
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 06:56 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
So really, a lot of teams don't belong in the top 20. But that doesn't even matter, because it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on the seedings for the tournament or who even gets in, which is all that really matters.
No it's the fact that the only reason why Duke is in the top 20 is because of their friggin name. McRoberts might be the most overrated player in the nation, Paulus as well. Nelson is their only "player" that I've seen this season. They're going to get flat out murdered in the ACC this season.
McRoberts really isn't overrated. He's just horribly inconsistent. Paulus I'll agree, but I don't think he got a lot of hype to begin with. I guess we'll just have to wait until they get into ACC play though.
M.O.T.H.
12-21-2006, 07:39 PM
All I have to say is... Chase Budinger.
sweetness34
12-21-2006, 09:20 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
So really, a lot of teams don't belong in the top 20. But that doesn't even matter, because it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on the seedings for the tournament or who even gets in, which is all that really matters.
No it's the fact that the only reason why Duke is in the top 20 is because of their friggin name. McRoberts might be the most overrated player in the nation, Paulus as well. Nelson is their only "player" that I've seen this season. They're going to get flat out murdered in the ACC this season.
McRoberts really isn't overrated. He's just horribly inconsistent. Paulus I'll agree, but I don't think he got a lot of hype to begin with. I guess we'll just have to wait until they get into ACC play though.
Which is why McRoberts is overrated, he's not consistent. Same thing with a guy like Ben Gordon.
Although Paulus and Josh are having incredible games tonight (go figure).
There is soooo much parody in the NCAA this season it's not even funny. Gonzaga goes out and beats down UNC, then loses to an unranked. Kansas beats UF but loses to Oral Roberts at home.
No matter who wins tonight, IMO Duke does not deserve to be in the top 20. This is their first good showing this season IMO. They've played horribly their past two home games against Holy Cross and Kent State, and got ***** slapped by Marquette.
I love how Duke wins and you think everybody would shut up, but no they just want to nit-pick at everything they can.
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 10:49 PM
I love how Duke wins and you think everybody would shut up, but no they just want to nit-pick at everything they can.
Who's doing that?
Anyway, I'm glad they won. Solid effort, especially with Nelson fouling out early. They should win just about every game for the next month or so, but I can't wait until they get into the heart of ACC play.
I love how Duke wins and you think everybody would shut up, but no they just want to nit-pick at everything they can.
Who's doing that?
Anyway, I'm glad they won. Solid effort, especially with Nelson fouling out early. They should win just about every game for the next month or so, but I can't wait until they get into the heart of ACC play. Nelson fouled out with like 4 min left and the chi-town dude is who is was talking about
thetedginnshow
12-21-2006, 10:54 PM
I love how Duke wins and you think everybody would shut up, but no they just want to nit-pick at everything they can.
Who's doing that?
Anyway, I'm glad they won. Solid effort, especially with Nelson fouling out early. They should win just about every game for the next month or so, but I can't wait until they get into the heart of ACC play. Nelson fouled out with like 4 min left and the chi-town dude is who is was talking about
Actually, he made those comments way before the game was over, so I don't know if that's really all too accurate.
I love how Duke wins and you think everybody would shut up, but no they just want to nit-pick at everything they can.
Who's doing that?
Anyway, I'm glad they won. Solid effort, especially with Nelson fouling out early. They should win just about every game for the next month or so, but I can't wait until they get into the heart of ACC play. Nelson fouled out with like 4 min left and the chi-town dude is who is was talking about
Actually, he made those comments way before the game was over, so I don't know if that's really all too accurate. Whatever GO DUKE
Duke Sucks. I dont talk trash about your teams
Duke Sucks. I dont talk trash about your teams
You came into the Colts' thread laughing and making fun of the defense after the Colts-Jags game. Anyway, I'm not talking trash, just stating a fact.
yodapoop
12-21-2006, 11:11 PM
Duke Sucks. I dont talk trash about your teams
You came into the Colts' thread laughing and making fun of the defense after the Colts-Jags game. Anyway, I'm not talking trash, just stating a fact.
Okay, 11-1 sucks. :roll: I admit it.......
sweetness34
12-21-2006, 11:12 PM
I love how Duke wins and you think everybody would shut up, but no they just want to nit-pick at everything they can.
Dude did you and I watch the same game tonight? Gonazaga's best two players (Heifeldt and Raivio) were non-existent.
Paulus and McRoberts played their best games tonight and you guys barely won. Didn't see the final score but for a better part of the game it was very close. Plus Gonzaga is sorely inconsistent, this is a team you should have on paper beat the hell out of, according to your ranking.
Argue it all you want but Duke is not a top 20 team, they just aren't. Sure they won tonight but they also got smacked by Marquette on a neutral court. IMO this was their only "good game" so far this season.
I'm going to nit pick because they have no business in the top 20. And the only reason reason why they're ranked where they're at is beacuse they're friggin Duke.
So take off your homer shades because you guys are not very good this season. Solid yes, but expect a mediocre finish in the ACC and an early exit in March Madness. You don't have the depth, you're inexperienced, you don't have the "talent," you really don't have a go to guy, and your best players are waaaaay to inconsistent.
Anywho, Illinois played like a team coming off a highly emotional victory on Monday. Came out flat and un-energized, which is expected. Warren Carter is hurt now, go figure. :roll:
The hits just keep on coming.
Btw Jags, cards isn't talking trash, it's the truth. I'm sorry but you guys just aren't the same old Dookies you used to be this season. And it's about time you realized that.
thetedginnshow
12-22-2006, 11:37 AM
Damn. I didn't know Horford wasn't playing for Florida. Is Brewer still not playing? That's significantly less of a challenge for Ohio State, one hand for Oden or not. If they pull it off it'll still be impressive, but not as much.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 12:20 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
Your a college basketball genious.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 12:21 PM
Duke Sucks. I dont talk trash about your teams
You came into the Colts' thread laughing and making fun of the defense after the Colts-Jags game. Anyway, I'm not talking trash, just stating a fact.
Okay, 11-1 sucks. :roll: I admit it.......
QFT
Duke Sucks. I dont talk trash about your teams
You came into the Colts' thread laughing and making fun of the defense after the Colts-Jags game. Anyway, I'm not talking trash, just stating a fact.
Okay, 11-1 sucks. :roll: I admit it.......
QFT
You have yet to provide any reasoning as to why Duke has played like a top 20 team. You're the real basketball "genious" aren't you? :roll:
If it wasnt for the Rams yoda would be the definition of Fairweather.
If it wasnt for the Rams yoda would be the definition of Fairweather.
:lol:
Jagsfreak is fairweather as well. Florida football and Duke basketball? :lol:
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Duke is the most overrated piece of garbage this season. They have no business in the top 20 right now. I mean they've almost lost to Holy Cross and Kent State, AT HOME!
Who has Kansas lost to again?
DePaul and Oral Roberts. They have no business in the top 15 right now as well. Too inconsistent. Talent wise Kansas is easily top 10, but Duke hell no.
Duke is going down tonight. White Chocolate (Raivio) and Heitfeltd are going to tear them apart IMO.
Your a college basketball genious.
Gonzaga's two best players did jack squat last night and Duke still almost lost, and you're quote on quote two "best players" played their best games you almost lost.
Btw, TT, would you mind giving me some analysis on why Duke is a top 20 team this season?
All I've heard from you beloved Duke fans is, "oh that's crap, we're top 20," or "you don't know what you're talking about," and even "shut up."
Well let's see somebody try and fight me on this one. It's great that you attack me and say I'm an idiot, but step up to the plate geniuses and prove me wrong, because none of you have to this point. And don't use last nights game as an example either. I want some cold hard info or opinions on why they are top 20, besides their friggin name. Because calling me a genius and telling me to shut up does nothing
Not a Duke fan, but I'll tell you why Duke is a top 20 team this year:
Because they're Duke.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 03:47 PM
Not a Duke fan, but I'll tell you why Duke is a top 20 team this year:
Because they're Duke.
Cosign.
I'm assuming you mean their name though.
Is cosign the same thing as QFT pretty much?
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 03:51 PM
Is cosign the same thing as QFT pretty much?
Eh. Cosign means, "yea that's what I was going to say."
QFT means you really believe or agree with what is said.
Kinda the same thing, but not entirely the same thing.
Windy
12-22-2006, 03:55 PM
DeVon Hardin out 8-12 weeks. :| :?
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:01 PM
Not a Duke fan, but I'll tell you why Duke is a top 20 team this year:
Because they're Duke.
Cosign.
I'm assuming you mean their name though.
oooooo i dunno how about wins over gonazaga( a team who beat UNC) and georgetown?????? and their only loss was to a team that was ranked in the top 15 at the time.
so heres your challenge tell me why they should NOT be in the top 20?
Not a Duke fan, but I'll tell you why Duke is a top 20 team this year:
Because they're Duke.
Cosign.
I'm assuming you mean their name though.
oooooo i dunno how about wins over gonazaga and georgetown?????? and their only loss was to a team that was ranked in the top 15 at the time.
so heres your challenge tell me why they should NOT be in the top 20?
:lol: :lol: He already has made like 5 posts saying why.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:16 PM
Not a Duke fan, but I'll tell you why Duke is a top 20 team this year:
Because they're Duke.
Cosign.
I'm assuming you mean their name though.
oooooo i dunno how about wins over gonazaga and georgetown?????? and their only loss was to a team that was ranked in the top 15 at the time.
so heres your challenge tell me why they should NOT be in the top 20?
:lol: :lol: He already has made like 5 posts saying why.
ya, and i'm saying i want him to explain why the shouldn't be based on my reasoning, not based off his opinions that come from his dislike of duke.
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:22 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
They are way too inconsistent and inexperienced. Like Sweetness said, McRoberts and Paulus played great last night, while Gonzaga played like crap, and you barely won. They aren't a top 25 basketball team.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 04:30 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Because that's the only good game you've played all season.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
B) You got spanked by Marquette no a neutral court who is behind you in the rankings
C) You IMO should have lost to both Kent State and Holy Cross at home, on a bunch of days rest
D) Gonzaga lost to an unranked team in Georgia by double digits
E) Again if you're name wasn't Duke you wouldn't even be smelling the top 20, let alone the top 25
F) You lost your two best players, much like Illinois did and found a way into the top 20. 2 guys that went lottery in the draft, so why aren't we ranked then?
I could go on all day on this. The fact remains, you're quote on quote best 2 players have their best games of the year, and the Zags two best players have their worst games of the year and you only win by 7? Come one now. On paper you should have spanked Gonzaga. But again, Duke is so overrated it's not even funny right now.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
That was low Sweetness.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:34 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
They are way too inconsistent and inexperienced. Like Sweetness said, McRoberts and Paulus played great last night, while Gonzaga played like crap, and you barely won. They aren't a top 25 basketball team.
ahahhaha I love that arguement. " they barely won" . Gonzaga is a top 25 team, no one isn't supposed to blow out a top 25 team. SO what do you expect from duke (if they arn't top 25) to do to a team ranked #24. Blow them out? that is the worst argument i have ever heard. As far as the inconsistent and inexpiranced comment, if they are inconsistent and inexpiranced then so is UNC and Kansas,(BTW a duke team with one loss is soooooooooooo inconsistent :roll: :roll: :roll: ) does this disqualify them from the top 25 as well? UNC lost to gonazaga who was ranked lower than marquette who duke lost to.... UNC ins't a top 25 team either, they're not undefeated, they're not expiranced, they shoudn't be up there either by your reasoning. wait, why don't i say the only reason UNC is in the top 25 is because they are UNC. :roll: :roll: what a terrible argument.
dRaFtDoRk
12-22-2006, 04:38 PM
So what does everyone think of Bill Walker?
I've watched the guy play HS B-Ball a lot and he is just a freak athlete. Chad Ford has him as the #6 prospect for this years draft...of course he's not gonna get a lot of publicity now because he plays for Huggins and KSU.
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
They are way too inconsistent and inexperienced. Like Sweetness said, McRoberts and Paulus played great last night, while Gonzaga played like crap, and you barely won. They aren't a top 25 basketball team.
ahahhaha I love that arguement. " they barely won" . Gonzaga is a top 25 team, no one isn't supposed to blow out a top 25 team. SO what do you expect from duke (if they arn't top 25) to do to a team ranked #24. Blow them out? that is the worst argument i have ever heard. As far as the inconsistent and inexpiranced comment, if they are inconsistent and inexpiranced then so is UNC and Kansas,(BTW a duke team with one loss is soooooooooooo inconsistent :roll: :roll: :roll: ) does this disqualify them from the top 25 as well? UNC lost to gonazaga who was ranked lower than marquette who duke lost to.... UNC ins't a top 25 team either, they're not undefeated, they're not expiranced, they shoudn't be up there either by your reasoning. wait, why don't i say the only reason UNC is in the top 25 is because they are UNC. :roll: :roll: what a terrible argument.
When your team is playing great and the other team is playing terrible, you should blow them out if you want to be a top 20 team. I didn't say that UNC and Kansas weren't inconsistent, but Duke isn't as talented as them, so their lows are lower and highs aren't as high. You're such a homer, you don't give any reasoning as to why Duke should be top 25, or explain how the aren't inexperienced or inconsistent. You just say my arguement is terrible.
The Purdue bias in Indiana is terrible. They just called the IU vs IUPUI game a big matchup. :lol:
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:43 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Because that's the only good game you've played all season.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
B) You got spanked by Marquette no a neutral court who is behind you in the rankings
C) You IMO should have lost to both Kent State and Holy Cross at home, on a bunch of days rest
D) Gonzaga lost to an unranked team in Georgia by double digits
E) Again if you're name wasn't Duke you wouldn't even be smelling the top 20, let alone the top 25
F) You lost your two best players, much like Illinois did and found a way into the top 20. 2 guys that went lottery in the draft, so why aren't we ranked then?
I could go on all day on this. The fact remains, you're quote on quote best 2 players have their best games of the year, and the Zags two best players have their worst games of the year and you only win by 7? Come one now. On paper you should have spanked Gonzaga. But again, Duke is so overrated it's not even funny right now.
a.) key word SHOULD
b.) Spanked? spanked??? that was hardly a spanking considering it could have gone either way until there ws a couple minutes left in the game, 10 point loss is harldy a spanking.
c.) SHOULD HAVE
d.) Gnzaga beat UNC. ( this statement is important by your reasoning)
E.) shut up, weak argument.
F. who have they beat that is of any signifigance?
Maye it's not a coincidense that gonzagas two best players had their worst games? perhaps it was dukes good defense and coach K's brilliance. By only 7? since when is there such thing as a bad win, is this the BCS and the dookies are trying to impress people by winning by more? gonzaga was top 25 , beating any top 25 team by 7 is always good.Just because you keep saying duke is overrated dosen't make it become true.
When you win a game that you "shouldn't", it means that you got outplayed and won because the team either choked it away or you got lucky.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:49 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
They are way too inconsistent and inexperienced. Like Sweetness said, McRoberts and Paulus played great last night, while Gonzaga played like crap, and you barely won. They aren't a top 25 basketball team.
ahahhaha I love that arguement. " they barely won" . Gonzaga is a top 25 team, no one isn't supposed to blow out a top 25 team. SO what do you expect from duke (if they arn't top 25) to do to a team ranked #24. Blow them out? that is the worst argument i have ever heard. As far as the inconsistent and inexpiranced comment, if they are inconsistent and inexpiranced then so is UNC and Kansas,(BTW a duke team with one loss is soooooooooooo inconsistent :roll: :roll: :roll: ) does this disqualify them from the top 25 as well? UNC lost to gonazaga who was ranked lower than marquette who duke lost to.... UNC ins't a top 25 team either, they're not undefeated, they're not expiranced, they shoudn't be up there either by your reasoning. wait, why don't i say the only reason UNC is in the top 25 is because they are UNC. :roll: :roll: what a terrible argument.
When your team is playing great and the other team is playing terrible, you should blow them out if you want to be a top 20 team. I didn't say that UNC and Kansas weren't inconsistent, but Duke isn't as talented as them, so their lows are lower and highs aren't as high. You're such a homer, you don't give any reasoning as to why Duke should be top 25, or explain how the aren't inexperienced or inconsistent. You just say my arguement is terrible.
I'm a homer? you have said nothing that proves duke should be in the top 25. Your only argument is that they "barely won" or that they are inexpiranced. what a joke.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:50 PM
When you win a game that you "shouldn't", it means that you got outplayed and won because the team either choked it away or you got lucky. but you still won , correct?
BTW your stupid quote in you sig dosen't work.
When you win a game that you "shouldn't", it means that you got outplayed and won because the team either choked it away or you got lucky. but you still won , correct?
BTW your stupid quote in you sig dosen't work.
Yes they won, but they played bad. Their record is from from indicitive of how they've played this year.
I know that and it's not stupid, you just think it is because njx owned you.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 04:55 PM
When you win a game that you "shouldn't", it means that you got outplayed and won because the team either choked it away or you got lucky. but you still won , correct?
BTW your stupid quote in you sig dosen't work.
Yes they won, but they played bad. Their record is from from indicitive of how they've played this year.
I know that and it's not stupid, you just think it is because njx owned you.
owned me by implying that only smart people read harry potter and that if you read harry potter your smart? :lol: yeah, he owned me alright.
When you win a game that you "shouldn't", it means that you got outplayed and won because the team either choked it away or you got lucky. but you still won , correct?
BTW your stupid quote in you sig dosen't work.
Yes they won, but they played bad. Their record is from from indicitive of how they've played this year.
I know that and it's not stupid, you just think it is because njx owned you.
owned me by implying that only smart people read harry potter and that if you read harry potter your smart? :lol: yeah, he owned me alright.
He didn't say that. You implied reading Harry Potter made you a nerd and he completely burned you for saying that. He didn't say it made you smart if you read it either, he just pointed out that you didn't come across as very intelligent with your absolutely horrid grammar and spelling.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 05:01 PM
When you win a game that you "shouldn't", it means that you got outplayed and won because the team either choked it away or you got lucky. but you still won , correct?
BTW your stupid quote in you sig dosen't work.
Yes they won, but they played bad. Their record is from from indicitive of how they've played this year.
I know that and it's not stupid, you just think it is because njx owned you.
owned me by implying that only smart people read harry potter and that if you read harry potter your smart? :lol: yeah, he owned me alright.
He didn't say that. You implied reading Harry Potter made you a nerd and he completely burned you for saying that. He didn't say it made you smart if you read it either, he just pointed out that you didn't come across as very intelligent with your absolutely horrid grammar and spelling.
Ooooooo burn. My grammer... maybe if i read harry potter it would improve , eh?
I doubt you would even be able to read Harry Potter.
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 05:10 PM
I doubt you would even be able to read Harry Potter. nice comeback chump.
dRaFtDoRk
12-22-2006, 05:45 PM
So what does everyone think of Bill Walker?
I've watched the guy play HS B-Ball a lot and he is just a freak athlete. Chad Ford has him as the #6 prospect for this years draft...of course he's not gonna get a lot of publicity now because he plays for Huggins and KSU.
I kinda posted this right between the argument between Cards and Titletown
So what does everyone think about him and his NBA future?
thetedginnshow
12-22-2006, 06:08 PM
Duke haters are the best.
What other big games are coming up besides Florida and Ohio State? I know UCLA and UW are playing this coming week.
Duke haters are the best.
What other big games are coming up besides Florida and Ohio State? I know UCLA and UW are playing this coming week.
January 4th Buckeyes-Badgers.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 06:24 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Because that's the only good game you've played all season.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
B) You got spanked by Marquette no a neutral court who is behind you in the rankings
C) You IMO should have lost to both Kent State and Holy Cross at home, on a bunch of days rest
D) Gonzaga lost to an unranked team in Georgia by double digits
E) Again if you're name wasn't Duke you wouldn't even be smelling the top 20, let alone the top 25
F) You lost your two best players, much like Illinois did and found a way into the top 20. 2 guys that went lottery in the draft, so why aren't we ranked then?
I could go on all day on this. The fact remains, you're quote on quote best 2 players have their best games of the year, and the Zags two best players have their worst games of the year and you only win by 7? Come one now. On paper you should have spanked Gonzaga. But again, Duke is so overrated it's not even funny right now.
a.) key word SHOULD
b.) Spanked? spanked??? that was hardly a spanking considering it could have gone either way until there ws a couple minutes left in the game, 10 point loss is harldy a spanking.
c.) SHOULD HAVE
d.) Gnzaga beat UNC. ( this statement is important by your reasoning)
E.) shut up, weak argument.
F. who have they beat that is of any signifigance?
Maye it's not a coincidense that gonzagas two best players had their worst games? perhaps it was dukes good defense and coach K's brilliance. By only 7? since when is there such thing as a bad win, is this the BCS and the dookies are trying to impress people by winning by more? gonzaga was top 25 , beating any top 25 team by 7 is always good.Just because you keep saying duke is overrated dosen't make it become true.
Can you get through one post without telling me to "shut up." It's very immature.
You are truly a homer if you don't think that the Duke name is keeping you in the top 15. You lost 2 LOTTERY PLAYERS, BOTH ALL -ACC PERFORMERS, as did we and yet we (ours were All-Big 10) were ranked about 40th and you get 15th. It's a friggin joke. You guys are not good this season. Solid, yes. I'm predicting 4th place finish in the ACC behind Maryland, UNC, and Georgia Tech, possibly also behind Clemson. You're going to find points hard to come by and I question your ability to defend consistently for 40 minutes game in and game out. You are not going to be able to outscore teams this season like in years past. Plus your depth is a question, as is leadership. Either Paulus or McRoberts are going to have to start living up to their hype or it could be a long season for Duke. I'm not saying this because I hate Duke, I'm saying this because it's the truth. The Duke Homer Glasses you've got on are keeping you from seeing that the #6 ranking is a joke, as is even a top 15 ranking right now.
In a game where Gonzaga doesn't even show up in the 2nd Half, the #6 team in the nation struggles to beat them in IMO their best game this season. Somethings wrong there.
Marquette is sorely overrated, as they've proven so far this season and they handled you pretty well. Duke didn't smell the lead in the 2nd Half.
Seriously man, do you really believe you guys are the #6 team in the nation? Because if you do I pity you. I have Duke friends who think they're highly overranked and don't deserve to be in the top 20, even beating Gonzaga didn't change their minds.
You guys have yet to put in a game where my eyes have opened up and went "who they're good." Almost every game you play you struggle. IU, Gonzaga, Holy Cross, Marquette, Kent State. You guys right now IMO are borderline top 25, the #6 ranking is a joke.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 06:34 PM
Duke haters are the best.
What other big games are coming up besides Florida and Ohio State? I know UCLA and UW are playing this coming week.
:lol:
I don't know what to say to that. Honestly guys, please support your top 10 ranking with something other than the fact you've beaten an unranked team, and a team which most experts say is dysfunctional and playing very bad right now, and as far as I could see last night, the Zags were every bit of that.
Oh and the team you lost to has been in a free fall the past 3 weeks, losing twice.
Like a said, the Duke name is the only reason you were in the top 15 to start the season, and the only reason you're ranked #6 right now, well ok it's a HUGE reason why you're #6.
achilles109
12-22-2006, 07:03 PM
Duke makes me cheer for kent state :?
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 07:04 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Because that's the only good game you've played all season.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
B) You got spanked by Marquette no a neutral court who is behind you in the rankings
C) You IMO should have lost to both Kent State and Holy Cross at home, on a bunch of days rest
D) Gonzaga lost to an unranked team in Georgia by double digits
E) Again if you're name wasn't Duke you wouldn't even be smelling the top 20, let alone the top 25
F) You lost your two best players, much like Illinois did and found a way into the top 20. 2 guys that went lottery in the draft, so why aren't we ranked then?
I could go on all day on this. The fact remains, you're quote on quote best 2 players have their best games of the year, and the Zags two best players have their worst games of the year and you only win by 7? Come one now. On paper you should have spanked Gonzaga. But again, Duke is so overrated it's not even funny right now.
a.) key word SHOULD
b.) Spanked? spanked??? that was hardly a spanking considering it could have gone either way until there ws a couple minutes left in the game, 10 point loss is harldy a spanking.
c.) SHOULD HAVE
d.) Gnzaga beat UNC. ( this statement is important by your reasoning)
E.) shut up, weak argument.
F. who have they beat that is of any signifigance?
Maye it's not a coincidense that gonzagas two best players had their worst games? perhaps it was dukes good defense and coach K's brilliance. By only 7? since when is there such thing as a bad win, is this the BCS and the dookies are trying to impress people by winning by more? gonzaga was top 25 , beating any top 25 team by 7 is always good.Just because you keep saying duke is overrated dosen't make it become true.
Can you get through one post without telling me to "shut up." It's very immature.
You are truly a homer if you don't think that the Duke name is keeping you in the top 15. You lost 2 LOTTERY PLAYERS, BOTH ALL -ACC PERFORMERS, as did we and yet we (ours were All-Big 10) were ranked about 40th and you get 15th. It's a friggin joke. You guys are not good this season. Solid, yes. I'm predicting 4th place finish in the ACC behind Maryland, UNC, and Georgia Tech, possibly also behind Clemson. You're going to find points hard to come by and I question your ability to defend consistently for 40 minutes game in and game out. You are not going to be able to outscore teams this season like in years past. Plus your depth is a question, as is leadership. Either Paulus or McRoberts are going to have to start living up to their hype or it could be a long season for Duke. I'm not saying this because I hate Duke, I'm saying this because it's the truth. The Duke Homer Glasses you've got on are keeping you from seeing that the #6 ranking is a joke, as is even a top 15 ranking right now.
In a game where Gonzaga doesn't even show up in the 2nd Half, the #6 team in the nation struggles to beat them in IMO their best game this season. Somethings wrong there.
Marquette is sorely overrated, as they've proven so far this season and they handled you pretty well. Duke didn't smell the lead in the 2nd Half.
Seriously man, do you really believe you guys are the #6 team in the nation? Because if you do I pity you. I have Duke friends who think they're highly overranked and don't deserve to be in the top 20, even beating Gonzaga didn't change their minds.
You guys have yet to put in a game where my eyes have opened up and went "who they're good." Almost every game you play you struggle. IU, Gonzaga, Holy Cross, Marquette, Kent State. You guys right now IMO are borderline top 25, the #6 ranking is a joke.keep predicting duke to lose because it worked well in that gonzaga game for you.. and maybe the reason your beloved illini arn't ranked is because they lost two games to ranked opponants while duke beat two ranked ones. IF your "struggling "theory is true you struggled agianst, Miami, bradly,and missouri. which means nothign because a win is a win. also how is marquette overrated? because they beat duke and had one bad loss with one to a good wisconsin team ,now they're at 21? how are they not deserving? Take off your illinios homer glasses because you think everyone outside of that state sucks. Also , do you think maybe the reason gonzaga didn't show up in the second half had anything to do with dukes D?
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 07:05 PM
Duke makes me cheer for kent state :?
Me too. :D
thetedginnshow
12-22-2006, 07:34 PM
Duke haters are the best.
What other big games are coming up besides Florida and Ohio State? I know UCLA and UW are playing this coming week.
:lol:
I don't know what to say to that. Honestly guys, please support your top 10 ranking with something other than the fact you've beaten an unranked team, and a team which most experts say is dysfunctional and playing very bad right now, and as far as I could see last night, the Zags were every bit of that.
Oh and the team you lost to has been in a free fall the past 3 weeks, losing twice.
Like a said, the Duke name is the only reason you were in the top 15 to start the season, and the only reason you're ranked #6 right now, well ok it's a HUGE reason why you're #6.
Please don't group me in with those two. :lol:
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 07:49 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Because that's the only good game you've played all season.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
B) You got spanked by Marquette no a neutral court who is behind you in the rankings
C) You IMO should have lost to both Kent State and Holy Cross at home, on a bunch of days rest
D) Gonzaga lost to an unranked team in Georgia by double digits
E) Again if you're name wasn't Duke you wouldn't even be smelling the top 20, let alone the top 25
F) You lost your two best players, much like Illinois did and found a way into the top 20. 2 guys that went lottery in the draft, so why aren't we ranked then?
I could go on all day on this. The fact remains, you're quote on quote best 2 players have their best games of the year, and the Zags two best players have their worst games of the year and you only win by 7? Come one now. On paper you should have spanked Gonzaga. But again, Duke is so overrated it's not even funny right now.
a.) key word SHOULD
b.) Spanked? spanked??? that was hardly a spanking considering it could have gone either way until there ws a couple minutes left in the game, 10 point loss is harldy a spanking.
c.) SHOULD HAVE
d.) Gnzaga beat UNC. ( this statement is important by your reasoning)
E.) shut up, weak argument.
F. who have they beat that is of any signifigance?
Maye it's not a coincidense that gonzagas two best players had their worst games? perhaps it was dukes good defense and coach K's brilliance. By only 7? since when is there such thing as a bad win, is this the BCS and the dookies are trying to impress people by winning by more? gonzaga was top 25 , beating any top 25 team by 7 is always good.Just because you keep saying duke is overrated dosen't make it become true.
Can you get through one post without telling me to "shut up." It's very immature.
You are truly a homer if you don't think that the Duke name is keeping you in the top 15. You lost 2 LOTTERY PLAYERS, BOTH ALL -ACC PERFORMERS, as did we and yet we (ours were All-Big 10) were ranked about 40th and you get 15th. It's a friggin joke. You guys are not good this season. Solid, yes. I'm predicting 4th place finish in the ACC behind Maryland, UNC, and Georgia Tech, possibly also behind Clemson. You're going to find points hard to come by and I question your ability to defend consistently for 40 minutes game in and game out. You are not going to be able to outscore teams this season like in years past. Plus your depth is a question, as is leadership. Either Paulus or McRoberts are going to have to start living up to their hype or it could be a long season for Duke. I'm not saying this because I hate Duke, I'm saying this because it's the truth. The Duke Homer Glasses you've got on are keeping you from seeing that the #6 ranking is a joke, as is even a top 15 ranking right now.
In a game where Gonzaga doesn't even show up in the 2nd Half, the #6 team in the nation struggles to beat them in IMO their best game this season. Somethings wrong there.
Marquette is sorely overrated, as they've proven so far this season and they handled you pretty well. Duke didn't smell the lead in the 2nd Half.
Seriously man, do you really believe you guys are the #6 team in the nation? Because if you do I pity you. I have Duke friends who think they're highly overranked and don't deserve to be in the top 20, even beating Gonzaga didn't change their minds.
You guys have yet to put in a game where my eyes have opened up and went "who they're good." Almost every game you play you struggle. IU, Gonzaga, Holy Cross, Marquette, Kent State. You guys right now IMO are borderline top 25, the #6 ranking is a joke.keep predicting duke to lose because it worked well in that gonzaga game for you.. and maybe the reason your beloved illini arn't ranked is because they lost two games to ranked opponants while duke beat two ranked ones. IF your "struggling "theory is true you struggled agianst, Miami, bradly,and missouri. which means nothign because a win is a win. also how is marquette overrated? because they beat duke and had one bad loss with one to a good wisconsin team ,now they're at 21? how are they not deserving? Take off your illinios homer glasses because you think everyone outside of that state sucks. Also , do you think maybe the reason gonzaga didn't show up in the second half had anything to do with dukes D?
You try losing 3 of your best players and then come back to me. Don't even try to compare our seasons right now. We played neck and neck with Arizona without our best all around player, without our best scorer, and our PG had turf toe. Not to mention Pruitt has a bone chip in his hand right now and Carter is out with a hip flexor. Oh and one of our freshman is out for the season with a severe viral infection. And McBride was gone for 4 games due to suspension. Again, don't even compare us to Duke right now. You've been full strength all season, Missouri was the first game when our guys were all together, and now 2 of them are hurt again.
Marquette has lost twice their genius, might want to get your facts straight.
Oh yea I think everyone outside of the state sucks. :lol: Yep, Florida sucks, UNC, Ohio State, Georgia Tech. They all suck. Ya got me there TT.
Give me a breakdown on how this team is #6 in the nation, please I'm all ears. Or how they were even ranked #15 to begin with. Give me a break down of your team, player by player. Because if you don't I will. You lost your two best players with a team that was bounced from the Sweet 16 and somehow managed to find themselves at #15. That's a ******* crock if I've ever seen one.
I'm serious, give me a breakdown on your team. And secondly, do you honestly believe that the #6 ranking is right for you?
Teams that lose their two best players usually fall in their rankings. Ehem, see Villanova, Memphis, and Illinois. The Duke name is what helped keep you in the top 20, and it's keeping you in the top 6 right now.
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona.
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona. I dare you to come up with a better list, and how is Duke not in there
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona. I dare you to come up with a better list, and how is Duke not in there
UCLA
UNC
OSU
Wisconsin
Florida
PITT
Kansas
Arizona
Oklahoma State
UCONN
That's ten, I don't think that any other teams have that great of a shot.
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona. I dare you to come up with a better list, and how is Duke not in there
UCLA
UNC
OSU
Wisconsin
Florida
PITT
Kansas
Arizona
Oklahoma State
UCONN
That's ten, I don't think that any other teams have that great of a shot. 16
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 08:56 PM
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona. I dare you to come up with a better list, and how is Duke not in there
Ok...
Ohio State
Florida
Kansas (even though they so inconsistent)
UNC
Alabama
Wisky
Pittsburgh
Arizona
That's it right there. That's the class of College Basketball IMO.
Ohio State - Possibly the most talent out of anyone. Greg Oden is a dominant force inside; Cook is without question one of the best freshman out right now. Conley is a stud PG and they've got some good depth.
UNC - Pretty much the same idea as UNC, only they've got better guard play and they're deeper. Lawson is awesome at PG and Wright and Hansbrough make for one of the best frontcourts in all of basketball.
Wisky - One of the best tandems of players in the nation in Tucker and Taylor. Butch is also a solid player. Those two will carry this team though, already beat the snot out of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh - They'll go as far as Gray taks them. They've got some nice players but it's all on Gray's shoulders. If he steps up they can definitely win it all. A dominant force inside.
Arizona - If they're hitting on all cylinders offensively, good night man. Budinger, Williams, Shakur etc. Incredible offensive talent. Defense is a question though.
Florida - Horford, Noah, and Brewer are a good 3 some. I don't think they'll repeat but they could make a run. Already lost to Kansas.
Kansas - Again a ton of talent but they've got a coach who's overrated IMO and they don't plain team basketball. Talent will only go so far, and it'll carry them but eventually Self is going to get beat IMO.
Alabama - Steele and that other guy (forget his name) are very good. And this team has the depth to go all the way. I think they're at the bottom tier of this list.
And why no Duke? Read the last two pages buddy. TT has been the only one to even try and give me a reason why they should be #6. Now lets see you try and share some of your insight.
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona. I dare you to come up with a better list, and how is Duke not in there
UCLA
UNC
OSU
Wisconsin
Florida
PITT
Kansas
Arizona
Oklahoma State
UCONN
That's ten, I don't think that any other teams have that great of a shot. 16
Why so there are teams that have no chance in there. I meant to have Alabama on there but some of the ones on the bottom were tough to put on.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 09:01 PM
Here are 16 teams who can win it all.
UCLA- This is a team that would rival that of Woodens
North Carolina- They play many years past there age
Ohio State- With Greg Oden in there this could get crazy
Florida- I still think the defending champs can win
Wisconsin- Top 5 team no question
Duke- Duke is Duke
Pittsburgh- Despite early season upsets they have a lot of talent
Arizona- This team scares me
Alabama- This may be the class of the SEC
Connecticut- Uconn is wants a 2nd chance after the GM thing last year
Kansas- I am going to stick with my preseason final 4 team
Texas A&M- Im love'en em
Oklahoma State- That game vs Pitt is all I have to say
Michigan State- I like this team I dont know why either
Maryland- They are do for a great year
Georgetown- They are my underdog team they were ranked 8th to begin with
Get Duke, Michigan State, and Georgetown out of there right now. You're a friggin homer if you think Duke has a shot in hell at winning it all. I'm done arguing, this is friggin ridiculous.
Might as well throw Illinois in there too while you're at it.
You're reasoning to you put MSU in there is because you like them but you don't know why. And your reasoning for Duke is because "they're Duke."
No offense at all man but jesus. Oh and if Arizona scares you, Illinois should be terrifying because we were neck and neck with them without 2 of our best players in Arizona. I dare you to come up with a better list, and how is Duke not in there
UCLA
UNC
OSU
Wisconsin
Florida
PITT
Kansas
Arizona
Oklahoma State
UCONN
That's ten, I don't think that any other teams have that great of a shot. 16
Why so there are teams that have no chance in there. I meant to have Alabama on there but some of the ones on the bottom were tough to put on.
Agreed and I'm not going to put teams in there just because.
Btw, if I'm such a homer, how come Illinois isn't on my list TT? :roll:
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 09:04 PM
Still waiting Jags....
I never called u a homer :?
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 09:26 PM
I never called u a homer :?
I never said you did, is your name TT? Nope, it's Jf123. I was talking about titletown who called me an Illinois Homer.
Btw, I still want to see someone other than tt who is a Duke fan come in here and dispute what cards and I have said. We've made our argument, now let's hear yours.
Smokey Joe
12-22-2006, 09:29 PM
I love you sweetness :oops:
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 09:32 PM
I love you sweetness :oops:
I love you too Smokey! And I'm not embarrassed to say it either! :D
Smokey Joe
12-22-2006, 09:33 PM
I love you sweetness :oops:
I love you too Smokey! And I'm not embarrassed to say it either! :D
That's not me being embarassed, I just have rosey cheeks.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 10:46 PM
I love you sweetness :oops:
I love you too Smokey! And I'm not embarrassed to say it either! :D
That's not me being embarassed, I just have rosey cheeks.
:lol:
Btw I'm still waiting for a Dukie to come in hear and say something. Jags you said Duke is very good, not dispute my comments.
Seems to me like you're shying away from the argument, come on now.
danman253
12-22-2006, 10:48 PM
north carolina is on a tear, best team in the ncaa.
Michigan, come on, knock off UCLA!!!!!!!!
TitleTown088
12-22-2006, 10:49 PM
Your reasoning? All you did was say they beat two good teams and lost to one that was good at one point. You made zero points to counter what he had said.
explain to me how that does not qualify them for being top 20?
Because that's the only good game you've played all season.
A) You should have IMO lost to Indiana, which is just down right pitiful at home.
B) You got spanked by Marquette no a neutral court who is behind you in the rankings
C) You IMO should have lost to both Kent State and Holy Cross at home, on a bunch of days rest
D) Gonzaga lost to an unranked team in Georgia by double digits
E) Again if you're name wasn't Duke you wouldn't even be smelling the top 20, let alone the top 25
F) You lost your two best players, much like Illinois did and found a way into the top 20. 2 guys that went lottery in the draft, so why aren't we ranked then?
I could go on all day on this. The fact remains, you're quote on quote best 2 players have their best games of the year, and the Zags two best players have their worst games of the year and you only win by 7? Come one now. On paper you should have spanked Gonzaga. But again, Duke is so overrated it's not even funny right now.
a.) key word SHOULD
b.) Spanked? spanked??? that was hardly a spanking considering it could have gone either way until there ws a couple minutes left in the game, 10 point loss is harldy a spanking.
c.) SHOULD HAVE
d.) Gnzaga beat UNC. ( this statement is important by your reasoning)
E.) shut up, weak argument.
F. who have they beat that is of any signifigance?
Maye it's not a coincidense that gonzagas two best players had their worst games? perhaps it was dukes good defense and coach K's brilliance. By only 7? since when is there such thing as a bad win, is this the BCS and the dookies are trying to impress people by winning by more? gonzaga was top 25 , beating any top 25 team by 7 is always good.Just because you keep saying duke is overrated dosen't make it become true.
Can you get through one post without telling me to "shut up." It's very immature.
You are truly a homer if you don't think that the Duke name is keeping you in the top 15. You lost 2 LOTTERY PLAYERS, BOTH ALL -ACC PERFORMERS, as did we and yet we (ours were All-Big 10) were ranked about 40th and you get 15th. It's a friggin joke. You guys are not good this season. Solid, yes. I'm predicting 4th place finish in the ACC behind Maryland, UNC, and Georgia Tech, possibly also behind Clemson. You're going to find points hard to come by and I question your ability to defend consistently for 40 minutes game in and game out. You are not going to be able to outscore teams this season like in years past. Plus your depth is a question, as is leadership. Either Paulus or McRoberts are going to have to start living up to their hype or it could be a long season for Duke. I'm not saying this because I hate Duke, I'm saying this because it's the truth. The Duke Homer Glasses you've got on are keeping you from seeing that the #6 ranking is a joke, as is even a top 15 ranking right now.
In a game where Gonzaga doesn't even show up in the 2nd Half, the #6 team in the nation struggles to beat them in IMO their best game this season. Somethings wrong there.
Marquette is sorely overrated, as they've proven so far this season and they handled you pretty well. Duke didn't smell the lead in the 2nd Half.
Seriously man, do you really believe you guys are the #6 team in the nation? Because if you do I pity you. I have Duke friends who think they're highly overranked and don't deserve to be in the top 20, even beating Gonzaga didn't change their minds.
You guys have yet to put in a game where my eyes have opened up and went "who they're good." Almost every game you play you struggle. IU, Gonzaga, Holy Cross, Marquette, Kent State. You guys right now IMO are borderline top 25, the #6 ranking is a joke.keep predicting duke to lose because it worked well in that gonzaga game for you.. and maybe the reason your beloved illini arn't ranked is because they lost two games to ranked opponants while duke beat two ranked ones. IF your "struggling "theory is true you struggled agianst, Miami, bradly,and missouri. which means nothign because a win is a win. also how is marquette overrated? because they beat duke and had one bad loss with one to a good wisconsin team ,now they're at 21? how are they not deserving? Take off your illinios homer glasses because you think everyone outside of that state sucks. Also , do you think maybe the reason gonzaga didn't show up in the second half had anything to do with dukes D?
You try losing 3 of your best players and then come back to me. Don't even try to compare our seasons right now. We played neck and neck with Arizona without our best all around player, without our best scorer, and our PG had turf toe. Not to mention Pruitt has a bone chip in his hand right now and Carter is out with a hip flexor. Oh and one of our freshman is out for the season with a severe viral infection. And McBride was gone for 4 games due to suspension. Again, don't even compare us to Duke right now. You've been full strength all season, Missouri was the first game when our guys were all together, and now 2 of them are hurt again.
Marquette has lost twice their genius, might want to get your facts straight.
Oh yea I think everyone outside of the state sucks. :lol: Yep, Florida sucks, UNC, Ohio State, Georgia Tech. They all suck. Ya got me there TT.
Give me a breakdown on how this team is #6 in the nation, please I'm all ears. Or how they were even ranked #15 to begin with. Give me a break down of your team, player by player. Because if you don't I will. You lost your two best players with a team that was bounced from the Sweet 16 and somehow managed to find themselves at #15. That's a *********** crock if I've ever seen one.
I'm serious, give me a breakdown on your team. And secondly, do you honestly believe that the #6 ranking is right for you?
Teams that lose their two best players usually fall in their rankings. Ehem, see Villanova, Memphis, and Illinois. The Duke name is what helped keep you in the top 20, and it's keeping you in the top 6 right now.
Duke lost the best player in the country last year and sheldon williams, they're still good because they know how to recruit well.
I never ment marquette lost only once, i said one BAD loss (NDSU)
when did you mention anything about florida, UNC, georgia state, or ohio state to me sweetness? i guess i missed them during your speil.\
when did i say duke should be # 6 in the nation buddy? You said they shouldn't be top 25, and that is just plain stupid. I already explain why they shoudl easily be top 25.
BTW stop refuring to duke as if i were a member of the damn team, they are not "my team" i don't live in durham ,NC . I was simply responding to you stupidly saying they shouldn't be in the top 25, thats a crock of **** of i ever saw one.
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 10:52 PM
north carolina is on a tear, best team in the ncaa.
Michigan, come on, knock off UCLA!!!!!!!!
Ohio State already beat em without Oden at UNC. And they lost to the Zags. I'd say OSU is the best team right now. And without Horford, it could get ugly vs Florida..
yo123
12-22-2006, 10:54 PM
north carolina is on a tear, best team in the ncaa.
Michigan, come on, knock off UCLA!!!!!!!!
Ohio State already beat em without Oden at UNC. And they lost to the Zags. I'd say OSU is the best team right now. And without Horford, it could get ugly vs Florida..
actaully UNC beat Ohio State...
danman253
12-22-2006, 10:55 PM
north carolina is on a tear, best team in the ncaa.
Michigan, come on, knock off UCLA!!!!!!!!
Ohio State already beat em without Oden at UNC. And they lost to the Zags. I'd say OSU is the best team right now. And without Horford, it could get ugly vs Florida..
sweetness god dammitt, UNC won...
sweetness34
12-22-2006, 11:16 PM
north carolina is on a tear, best team in the ncaa.
Michigan, come on, knock off UCLA!!!!!!!!
Ohio State already beat em without Oden at UNC. And they lost to the Zags. I'd say OSU is the best team right now. And without Horford, it could get ugly vs Florida..
actaully UNC beat Ohio State...
Damn that's right. God dammitt. What the **** am I saying? :lol:
Long day.:P
yodapoop
12-22-2006, 11:54 PM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:13 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:16 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
Marquette :!: :?: :?: how's that reaching they BEAT Duke.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:20 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
Teams in bold are ones I agree with.
Teams in italics I could see.
I'm not sold on Witcita St. U have Memphis on their twice.........and I think they are inconsistent too. A&M....
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:22 AM
If it wasnt for the Rams yoda would be the definition of Fairweather.
College wise, I am a fair weathered fan, I will admit it.
That's still 15 better that you agree with. Clearly they are ranked so high in large part because of their name.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Duke hating..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
SuperMcgee
12-23-2006, 12:26 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
Teams in bold are ones I agree with.
Teams in italics I could see.
I'm not sold on Witcita St. U have Memphis on their twice.........and I think they are inconsistent too. A&M....
I was hoping that A&M wouldve taken one of the LSU,UCLA games, but I still think that they will be a large factor in the tournament
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:29 AM
That's still 15 better that you agree with. Clearly they are ranked so high in large part because of their name.
AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ELEVEN AND ******* ONE. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
SO WHAT WE WIN UGLY? A LOT OF TEAMS TEAMS WIN UGLY. WE DON'T HAVE TO RUN A TEAM OUT OF THE BUILDING. COACH K HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GUY TO NOT RUN AWAY WITH THE GAME. THE 1 VS. 16 GAME WE PLAY ARE USUALLY WITHIN 20 POINTS. I COULD GIVE A **** WE WIN UGLY!
I'm just saying that they are getting a better ranking because of their history. Are they top 20 yes, top ten not right now.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:36 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:36 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
Marquette :!: :?: :?: how's that reaching they BEAT Duke.
The zags beat NC, but i'd take NC over them, heard of a an off-day?
also North Dakota State? Yeah thats what i thought
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:36 AM
I'm just saying that they are getting a better ranking because of their history. Are they top 20 yes, top ten not right now.
Yeah, I agree with that. To say Duke is not a top 20 team is moronic, no matter how much u hate them. In college basketball, if aren't a Cameran Crazy, u are a Duke hater. And there are certianantly more Duke Haters........
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:37 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Quite possibly the loss to ND State at home.
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:37 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:38 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
Marquette :!: :?: :?: how's that reaching they BEAT Duke.
The zags beat NC, but i'd take NC over them, heard of a an off-day?
also North Dakota State? Yeah thats what i thought
This could be a bit of homerism here but I'd take Marquette over Duke
7 out of 10 times
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:40 AM
Sweetness, come on, i'm sitting next to 5 guys who go to Illinois, are die hard fans, and calling you friggin nuts.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:40 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
Yeah, it ******* is....u have us outside the ******* top 20, and we are ******* 11-1. I agree, we aren't a top 10 team, top 15 yes, top 20, absolutley.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:40 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:41 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:42 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
Yeah, it *********** is....u have us outside the *********** top 20, and we are *********** 11-1. I agree, we aren't a top 10 team, top 15 yes, top 20, absolutley.
No you aren't, not right now. Georgetown is down right bad and Zaga is falling off the friggin map. IU is terrible this season and you won by what 3 points.
Maybe later on in the year you're a top 20 team but I've seen you guys play about 6 times this season, and you are not top 20, period.
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:43 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:44 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the **** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
Boston
12-23-2006, 12:44 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
Marquette :!: :?: :?: how's that reaching they BEAT Duke.
The zags beat NC, but i'd take NC over them, heard of a an off-day?
also North Dakota State? Yeah thats what i thought
I love how you completely contradict yourself.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan State, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:45 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
Yeah, it *********** is....u have us outside the *********** top 20, and we are *********** 11-1. I agree, we aren't a top 10 team, top 15 yes, top 20, absolutley.
No you aren't, not right now. Georgetown is down right bad and Zaga is falling off the friggin map. IU is terrible this season and you won by what 3 points.
Maybe later on in the year you're a top 20 team but I've seen you guys play about 6 times this season, and you are not top 20, period.
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danman253
12-23-2006, 12:46 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan State, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
What?
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:46 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the *********** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
It is called recruiting.....
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:46 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
Ugh, do you people not realize that we are not healthy yet? Seriously, it's like beating a dead horse here. For christs sake ******* a. Go and watch the first half of the Arizona game, that's how good we can be, and again without 2 of our best players. We hung in there with a top 10 team in Arizona for 40 minutes withotu Randle and Smith.
Btw, and I'll say this again, THE 2004 TEAM BEAT MISSOURI BY SINGLE DIGITS AND WENT ON TO THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME. The game is always close. I'm going to use tt's argument, sure it was close, but we didn't lose. :roll:
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:47 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
Marquette :!: :?: :?: how's that reaching they BEAT Duke.
The zags beat NC, but i'd take NC over them, heard of a an off-day?
also North Dakota State? Yeah thats what i thought
I love how you completely contradict yourself.
There is a difference between losing to a ranked team and losing to a team that no one has heard of
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan State, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
What?
:oops: Didn't see the MSU, I thought you were calling Michigan better.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:48 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
Ugh, do you people not realize that we are not healthy yet? Seriously, it's like beating a dead horse here. For christs sake *********** a. Go and watch the first half of the Arizona game, that's how good we can be, and again without 2 of our best players. We hung in there with a top 10 team in Arizona for 40 minutes withotu Randle and Smith.
Btw, and I'll say this again, THE 2004 TEAM BEAT MISSOURI BY SINGLE DIGITS AND WENT ON TO THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME. The game is always close. I'm going to use tt's argument, sure it was close, but we didn't lose. :roll:
Sounds like some1 is contradicting himself.
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danman253
12-23-2006, 12:49 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
SuperMcgee
12-23-2006, 12:50 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the *********** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
Name comes with perennial success, which comes from perennially good amounts of talent and coaching, which might just play a part in how good people think a team is/will be
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:51 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the *********** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
Name comes with perennial success, which comes from perennially good amounts of talent and coaching, which might just play a part in how good people think a team is/will be
Duke recruiting>Illinois recruiting.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:52 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the *********** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
It is called recruiting.....
Explicitive removed.:D You guys did not get enough to replace those guys. Scheyer is a good player, as is Henderson but they do not replace Redick, Williams, and Dockery.
Here you go...
Frazier - Paulus: I'd take Frazier all day on this one. Greg is sooo overrated. Chet is our teams heartbeat and pretty much willed our guys to victory against Missouri.
McBride - Nelson: Nelson all day, he's a good player and McBride is struggling.
Randle - Scheyer: Randle all day, All-Big 10 Talent right now, and still isn't healthy. Scheyer will be darn good, but not right now.
Carter - McRoberts: Right now, Carter is playing at an All-Big 10 level, and if you've watched us this season you'd realize that he's been our MVP. I'll take Carter.
Pruitt - ????: Toss up. Pruitt's been a little inconsistent this season and I'll give the Dookies the benefit of the doubt here.
Bench: Illinois > Duke
Brock, Smith, Meacham, Carlwell, and Arnold (used to be Semrau as well) > Duke's Bench.
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
SuperMcgee
12-23-2006, 12:53 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the *********** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
Name comes with perennial success, which comes from perennially good amounts of talent and coaching, which might just play a part in how good people think a team is/will be
Duke recruiting>Illinois recruiting.
That it most definitely is
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:54 AM
It's not fudging Duke hating yoda, jesus. It's the friggin facts. The only reason they're in the top 10 is because they're Duke.
You don't lose 2 All-ACC players to lottery picks, along with another good senior in Dockery and remain in the top 15 unless you've got the name. And that's what Duke has, is it's name. Put Illinois in the same situation, which they were this season and we'd be ranked 40th, which we were.
There's no debate here.
How about NC last year? Lose 3 lottery picks, get a 3 seed? Come on sweetness, you are reaching
Huh? I'm not reaching here. I just gave you two examples. Illinois loses 2 very good players and fall to 40th. Duke loses 3 players and stays top 15. How the *********** is that reaching?
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE NAME.
It is called recruiting.....
*********** yoda, bull *********** ***********. You guys did not get enough to replace those guys. Scheyer is a good player, as is Henderson but they do not replace Redick, Williams, and Dockery.
Here you go...
Frazier - Paulus: I'd take Frazier all day on this one. Greg is sooo overrated. Chet is our teams heartbeat and pretty much willed our guys to victory against Missouri.
McBride - Nelson: Nelson all day, he's a good player and McBride is struggling.
Randle - Scheyer: Randle all day, All-Big 10 Talent right now, and still isn't healthy. Scheyer will be darn good, but not right now.
Carter - McRoberts: Right now, Carter is playing at an All-Big 10 level, and if you've watched us this season you'd realize that he's been our MVP. I'll take Carter.
Pruitt - ????: Toss up. Pruitt's been a little inconsistent this season and I'll give the Dookies the benefit of the doubt here.
Bench: Illinois > Duke
Brock, Smith, Meacham, Carlwell, and Arnold (used to be Semrau as well) > Duke's Bench.
**** Sweetness. Both of us will lose in the round of 32, if Illinois gets past round 1. And we didn't do a good job cuz we couldn't find a Williams and Reddick...... :roll:
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:55 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
Ugh, do you people not realize that we are not healthy yet? Seriously, it's like beating a dead horse here. For christs sake *********** a. Go and watch the first half of the Arizona game, that's how good we can be, and again without 2 of our best players. We hung in there with a top 10 team in Arizona for 40 minutes withotu Randle and Smith.
Btw, and I'll say this again, THE 2004 TEAM BEAT MISSOURI BY SINGLE DIGITS AND WENT ON TO THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME. The game is always close. I'm going to use tt's argument, sure it was close, but we didn't lose. :roll:
Sounds like some1 is contradicting himself.
Sweetness=http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lg8528.jpg
I was being a dick yoda on that last line, sorry for the lack of sarcasm.
Ok guys, let's settle this thread down a little bit.
My point is that....
A) Duke lost waaaay to much to be in the top 15 in preseason
B) They are no where near a top 10 team, hell no even top 15 in my book
C) I'll give you top 20, but that's for sympathy. :P :lol:
D) You should have dropped out of the top 20 when you lost to Marquette
E) You don't have enough bench
F) You don't have enough offense
G) You're way to inexperienced and inconsistent, especially your big guys
Those are enough reasons to why you are not a top 10 or a top 15 team in my book.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:56 AM
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.
it must have been a long day :lol:
How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.
Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.
Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.
Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.
I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.
Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?
Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.
Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.
Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.
Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.
Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.
Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke
Ugh, do you people not realize that we are not healthy yet? Seriously, it's like beating a dead horse here. For christs sake *********** a. Go and watch the first half of the Arizona game, that's how good we can be, and again without 2 of our best players. We hung in there with a top 10 team in Arizona for 40 minutes withotu Randle and Smith.
Btw, and I'll say this again, THE 2004 TEAM BEAT MISSOURI BY SINGLE DIGITS AND WENT ON TO THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME. The game is always close. I'm going to use tt's argument, sure it was close, but we didn't lose. :roll:
Sounds like some1 is contradicting himself.
Sweetness=http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lg8528.jpg
I was being a dick yoda on that last line, sorry for the lack of sarcasm.
Ok guys, let's settle this thread down a little bit.
My point is that....
A) Duke lost waaaay to much to be in the top 15 in preseason
B) They are no where near a top 10 team, hell no even top 15 in my book
C) I'll give you top 20, but that's for sympathy. :P :lol:
D) You should have dropped out of the top 20 when you lost to Marquette
E) You don't have enough bench
F) You don't have enough offense
G) You're way to inexperienced and inconsistent, especially your big guys
Those are enough reasons to why you are not a top 10 or a top 15 team in my book.
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sweetness34
12-23-2006, 12:57 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:58 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
3rd yeah, I could see 4-6 confernce games lost though. If you played them both twice it could be 8.
danman253
12-23-2006, 12:59 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
You're 5th best.
OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan all our better than you. Michian is highly underrated and could easily be unbeaten right now
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 12:59 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
No way they are gonna lose to Minnesota, no ones that horrible. Minnesota lost to a division 2 school in an exhibition game at the Barn.
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
I did the same thing except I had them beating Iowa and Michigan once, and an Idiana instead of Minnesota.
danman253
12-23-2006, 01:01 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
No way they are gonna lose to Minnesota, no ones that horrible.
upsets happen. I almost put in Penn State, but then i remebered they haven't has a winning season since Bush sr. was in the white house :lol:
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:02 AM
No offense but Duke didn't have that great of a class this season, especially with the losses of Redick, Williams, and Dockery. Not enough to keep you in the top 15.
Henderson and Scheyer are both good recruits, but they don't touch what Ohio State and UNC did, not even close.
You guys had waaaay to many question marks coming in to be ranked that high. Paulus struggled last season and McRoberts even though he showed some promise he hadn't shown enough yet. Nelson to was a question mark.
We lose our 2 best guys and all the sudden fall to #40, despite returning 3 of 5 starters, one in which was an All Big 10 Freshman Performer, and the other was on the Naismith Player of the Year watch list. Pruitt was highly regarded by a lot of the Big 10 as a potential breakout player and from what I've read everyone loved Frazier. Yet we fall to #40? :shock:
Duke got knocked out of the Sweet 16 last year, they lose their 3 best players and somehow find their way back into the top 15. Like I've said before, their recruiting was not big enough and their losses were too large for them to be ranked that high besides their name.
Duke loses more than us yet they're ranked 25 places higher? :shock:
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 01:04 AM
No offense but Duke didn't have that great of a class this season, especially with the losses of Redick, Williams, and Dockery. Not enough to keep you in the top 15.
Henderson and Scheyer are both good recruits, but they don't touch what Ohio State and UNC did, not even close.
You guys had waaaay to many question marks coming in to be ranked that high. Paulus struggled last season and McRoberts even though he showed some promise he hadn't shown enough yet. Nelson to was a question mark.
We lose our 2 best guys and all the sudden fall to #40, despite returning 3 of 5 starters, one in which was an All Big 10 Freshman Performer, and the other was on the Naismith Player of the Year watch list. Pruitt was highly regarded by a lot of the Big 10 as a potential breakout player and from what I've read everyone loved Frazier. Yet we fall to #40? :shock:
Duke got knocked out of the Sweet 16 last year, they lose their 3 best players and somehow find their way back into the top 15. Like I've said before, their recruiting was not big enough and their losses were too large for them to be ranked that high besides their name.
Duke loses more than us yet they're ranked 25 places higher? :shock:
I'd agree with that. I prolly woulda had us around #20. But I don't vote.... I mean when u do lose ur 2 best players, u can't be a top 10 team.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:04 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
danman253
12-23-2006, 01:05 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
ok, we'll see what happens.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:06 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
You're 5th best.
OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan all our better than you. Michian is highly underrated and could easily be unbeaten right now
5th is laughable dude. MSU and Michigan are not better than us. Take the homer shades off bud. I do think though that we'll lose at Ann Arbor.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 01:06 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
Minnesota especially. Watching them make my eyes bleed. At least he didn't say Northwestern....
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:07 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
ok, we'll see what happens.
We need to get healthy first dm, that's our first order of business. Btw, people keep bringing up the Missouri game.
IT'S ALWAYS A TIGHT GAME, RIVALRY GAMES ALWAYS ARE!
Btw, Missouri is a very underrated team IMO, they've got some shooters.
danman253
12-23-2006, 01:08 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
You're 5th best.
OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan all our better than you. Michian is highly underrated and could easily be unbeaten right now
5th is laughable dude. MSU and Michigan are not better than us. Take the homer shades off bud. I do think though that we'll lose at Ann Arbor.
Me taking homer shades off?
Anyway, Michigan will be a solid team this year. They should have beaten NC State. They were up big and then jsu twent cold, and they still could have come back. Courtney sims is solid in the middle and Harris is a SICK dunker, not to mention solid from 3 point land.
SuperMcgee
12-23-2006, 01:09 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
ok, we'll see what happens.
We need to get healthy first dm, that's our first order of business. Btw, people keep bringing up the Missouri game.
IT'S ALWAYS A TIGHT GAME, RIVALRY GAMES ALWAYS ARE!
Btw, Missouri is a very underrated team IMO, they've got some shooters.
you beat missouri by like 30 last year
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 01:10 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
ok, we'll see what happens.
We need to get healthy first dm, that's our first order of business. Btw, people keep bringing up the Missouri game.
IT'S ALWAYS A TIGHT GAME, RIVALRY GAMES ALWAYS ARE!
Btw, Missouri is a very underrated team IMO, they've got some shooters.
you beat missouri by like 30 last year
Super Magee just owned Sweetness.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:12 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
Minnesota especially. Watching them make my eyes bleed. At least he didn't say Northwestern....
No kidding, who almost lost to a Div. III team last week.
Btw, you know I still love you yoda, right? :D
I just think it's a bunch of BS that Duke is ranked so high. And again, their name has a lot to do with it. Sure they're 11-1, but they've also lost by double digits to a very inconsistent team in Marquette. Georgetown fell from 8th to being unranked I believe and the Zags have been in a free fall since their loss at Georgia.
I personally think Duke will finish about 3rd or 4th in the ACC. I don't think they're deep enough to finish higher. And that's my honest opinion, like it or not.
I think Illinois will finish 1st (haha jk they'll finish 3rd if we can stay healthy). Wisky and tOSU are the class of the Big 10, but I really wouldn't be surprised to see one of them finish outside the top 2.
And also, I do think we have the ability to knock off either Wisky or tOSU at home (check that do we play the Buckeyes at home? I thought we played them in Colombus). Anywho, Wisky has a tough time whenever they come to Champaign, that could be an upset.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:13 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
You're 5th best.
OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan all our better than you. Michian is highly underrated and could easily be unbeaten right now
So could we! :roll:
And that was without 3 of our starters in non-conference.
danman253
12-23-2006, 01:16 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
You're 5th best.
OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan all our better than you. Michian is highly underrated and could easily be unbeaten right now
So could we! :roll:
And that was without 3 of our starters in non-conference.
Okay the maryland game was filled with costly turnovers, you should have lost. The Arizona game was simlar to michogan-ncst, just went coldm they got hot
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:16 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
ok, we'll see what happens.
We need to get healthy first dm, that's our first order of business. Btw, people keep bringing up the Missouri game.
IT'S ALWAYS A TIGHT GAME, RIVALRY GAMES ALWAYS ARE!
Btw, Missouri is a very underrated team IMO, they've got some shooters.
you beat missouri by like 30 last year
Super Magee just owned Sweetness.
Oh nice find. Forgot about that, but they usually are pretty close. Btw it was 32 points. 8)
Missouri's a good team this year though, and they showed it against us. Still though, we barely beat them in 2004, and we ended up going to the Final 4 that year.
I notice that there's some pretty intense debating going on here... :)
Too bad I don't know enough about college basketball right now :(
But UCLA still owns all :)
TitleTown088
12-23-2006, 01:19 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:19 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
No way in hell we lose 8 conference games. danman I just don't know what to say to you right now about that. We're the 3rd best team in this coference, period.
You're 5th best.
OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan all our better than you. Michian is highly underrated and could easily be unbeaten right now
So could we! :roll:
And that was without 3 of our starters in non-conference.
Okay the maryland game was filled with costly turnovers, you should have lost. The Arizona game was simlar to michogan-ncst, just went coldm they got hot
Talk to me when you lose your 2 best players danman. Btw, we should have won that Maryland game if it wasn't for Rich McBride's mental errors. You don't realize how valuable Randle and Smith are to our team dm, you just don't. Randle is hands down our most complete player and Smith is our best scorer. Something's gotta give there.
It'd be just like Duke losing hmm say Nelson and McRoberts. I'd like to see how they could cope with those losses.
Btw, that Arizona game was pathetically called. 32-12 foul descrepancy. That's ridiculous! Seems like we get jewed when we play Arizona with the refs (apart from 2004, but even that was poorly officiated). Not the reason we lost but oh well.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 01:20 AM
Sweetness, u know i like you, but dude this is painful to read. it doesn't matter once randle, smith, and carter get healthy. You are not that great of a team, i guarantee taht Illinois loses at least 8 conference games
I'd agree with that but they only have OSU and UW once each.
Here I'll list them:
@Michigan
OSU
@MSU
@Minnesota
Wisconsin
MSU
Michigan
@Iowa
Have you seen Minnesota and Iowa this season danman? :lol:
Also Morgan might be out for MSU, and they aren't very good without him. I think we'll lose about 4-6 games in conference. But both Minnesota and Iowa are TERRIBLE!
ok, we'll see what happens.
We need to get healthy first dm, that's our first order of business. Btw, people keep bringing up the Missouri game.
IT'S ALWAYS A TIGHT GAME, RIVALRY GAMES ALWAYS ARE!
Btw, Missouri is a very underrated team IMO, they've got some shooters.
you beat missouri by like 30 last year
Super Magee just owned Sweetness.
Oh nice find. Forgot about that, but they usually are pretty close. Btw it was 32 points. 8)
Missouri's a good team this year though, and they showed it against us. Still though, we barely beat them in 2004, and we ended up going to the Final 4 that year.
I maybe sounding biased or something, but I think u gotta play close games in sports prior to the ship or playoffs. Just look at baseball this year, if the Tigers aren't off for a week prior to the WS, the Tigers eat up the Cardinals like I will eat the turkey at my grandmothers house tomorrow.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 01:21 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
That was 3 pages ago....
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:22 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
You again sorely overrate your team. Btw, It's been pointed out that Memphis is in there twice like 20 times now tt. :lol:
I'll make a bet with someone right here right now that you don't finish top 3 in the ACC. Any takers? And btw, I don't bet on or against Illinois, so no dice there. It's superstition. :wink:
Btw how is Alabama not better than Duke? And didn't LSU beat you last year in the Tourney as well? And Arizona would crush you guys. You'd have to score about 85 to beat them.
I'm too tired to go through the rest.
TitleTown088
12-23-2006, 01:37 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
You again sorely overrate your team. Btw, It's been pointed out that Memphis is in there twice like 20 times now tt. :lol:
I'll make a bet with someone right here right now that you don't finish top 3 in the ACC. Any takers? And btw, I don't bet on or against Illinois, so no dice there. It's superstition. :wink:
Btw how is Alabama not better than Duke? And didn't LSU beat you last year in the Tourney as well? And Arizona would crush you guys. You'd have to score about 85 to beat them.
I'm too tired to go through the rest.
I sorely overrate my team? Your the one sitting here saying that your unranked team who has yet to beat a ranked team is better than the # 6 team in the country. :lol: :lol:
LSU beat Duke last year when reddick played about his worst game ever, but i give them credit. this year they are without tyrus thomas who pretty much won that game for them.
Duke has a outstanding defense that would keep arizona under 85 and they would beat airizona in a close game i think.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:42 AM
Ok Duke fans, tell me this.
Are you a top 10 team? Yes/No and reasoning:
Are you a top 15 team? Yes/No and reasoning:
Are you a top 20 team? Yes/No and reasoning:
And explain to me this. Duke loses Redick (lottery pick), Williams (lottery pick), and Dockery (best defender) last season after getting eliminated from the Sweet 16. The following year they add Gerald Henderson and Jon Scheyer, two good recruits but not great. And two recruits who were questionable whether they'd have a big impact this season. And Duke finds themselves in the top 15 in preseason after losing in the Sweet 16, and if I can remember right weren't they a #1 seed?
Now, Illinois loses Dee Brown and James Augustine, both 2nd Round picks to the draft and return 3 starters from a team that reached the 2nd Round of the NCAA Tournament (they lost to Washington in one of the best games of the tournament). We return an All-Freshman performer, a Naismith Preseason All-Wooden "To Watch" player, and a guy who averaged over 13ppg as a junior. And we fall all the way to 40th. Sure we didn't have the same recruiting class as Duke but anyone who has watched Semrau and Carlwell have seen a ton of promise, but something's fishy there. Now by my math Duke lost more than us yet they are ranked 25 places higher. Could someone explain that please.
Argue this all you want but those are the facts. Now are you telling me that the voters thought about the talent levels between Illinois and Duke, no way, there is no way in hell they can put Duke outside the top 25 in preseason, just no way. Much like Miami(FL) in football. Duke is a household name media darling for CB.
Here's another fun fact. In 2004 we went undefeated for I believe 30 some odd games. UNC had lost twice prior to our first lost, yet many, many voters wanted to put UNC in at #1. Yet we'd beaten the tar of out the likes of Gonzaga, Wake Forest, and Wisconsin, all highly ranked teams at the time, and UNC had lost to Santa Clara, yes Santa Clara. The UNC's, the Duke's, the Kansas', etc are the media darlings of College Basketball. And the voters have a bias towards them, there's no doubt about it. Any other school than Duke loses what they lost and they're most likely out of the top 25, and if not they're 24 or 25. But I guess you earn that right don't you, still kinda sad to see though. Don't believe me, look at Illinois. We lose less than Duke and get slipped all the way to 40th, from around #19 at the end of last season.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:46 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
You again sorely overrate your team. Btw, It's been pointed out that Memphis is in there twice like 20 times now tt. :lol:
I'll make a bet with someone right here right now that you don't finish top 3 in the ACC. Any takers? And btw, I don't bet on or against Illinois, so no dice there. It's superstition. :wink:
Btw how is Alabama not better than Duke? And didn't LSU beat you last year in the Tourney as well? And Arizona would crush you guys. You'd have to score about 85 to beat them.
I'm too tired to go through the rest.
I sorely overrate my team? Your the one sitting here saying that your unranked team who has yet to beat a ranked team is better than the # 6 team in the country. :lol: :lol:
LSU beat Duke last year when reddick played about his worst game ever, but i give them credit. this year they are without tyrus thomas who pretty much won that game for them.
Duke has a outstanding defense that would keep arizona under 85 and they would beat airizona in a close game i think.
Well we're one one of the best defensive teams in the country and we let up over 85 to Arizona, it's easier said then done partner. I don't question your defense as much as I question your offense.
Btw 4PAC, the bet is if Duke places out of the top 3 in the ACC. I say they will, any takers for the other side for those of you sooo confident in Duke's abilities? The wager, well let's make a sig bet. The winner has to wear a sig of the opposing college basketball team (the other person in the bets favorite team) for 2 months.
Any takers here? Btw, this is all or nothing. Injuries make no difference, and niether do suspensions. It's either Duke in the top 3, or Duke out of the top 3. Period. I dont' want to hear about no stinkin injuries.
danman253
12-23-2006, 01:47 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
You again sorely overrate your team. Btw, It's been pointed out that Memphis is in there twice like 20 times now tt. :lol:
I'll make a bet with someone right here right now that you don't finish top 3 in the ACC. Any takers? And btw, I don't bet on or against Illinois, so no dice there. It's superstition. :wink:
Btw how is Alabama not better than Duke? And didn't LSU beat you last year in the Tourney as well? And Arizona would crush you guys. You'd have to score about 85 to beat them.
I'm too tired to go through the rest.
I sorely overrate my team? Your the one sitting here saying that your unranked team who has yet to beat a ranked team is better than the # 6 team in the country. :lol: :lol:
LSU beat Duke last year when reddick played about his worst game ever, but i give them credit. this year they are without tyrus thomas who pretty much won that game for them.
Duke has a outstanding defense that would keep arizona under 85 and they would beat airizona in a close game i think.
Well we're one one of the best defensive teams in the country and we let up over 85 to Arizona, it's easier said then done partner. I don't question your defense as much as I question your offense.
Btw 4PAC, the bet is if Duke places out of the top 3 in the ACC. I say they will, any takers for the other side for those of you sooo confident in Duke's abilities? The wager, well let's make a sig bet. The winner has to wear a sig of the opposing college basketball team (the other person in the bets favorite team) for 2 months.
Any takers here? Btw, this is all or nothing. Injuries make no difference, and niether do suspensions. It's either Duke in the top 3, or Duke out of the top 3. Period. I dont' want to hear about no stinkin injuries.
Sweetness weren't u just saying Illinois has had injuries, yet Duke can't use that excuse?
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:53 AM
All I hsve gotta ask, name me 20 teams better than Duke. I agree we prolly aren't a top ten team, but we are a top 20 team.
Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.
Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
PittsburghUCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois
Yes, that's right I put Illinois in there. A team that has two losses this non conference season despite the fact that we've yet to field a healthy full squad of players. Even in the Mizzou game Carter was banged up and Randle wasn't fully healthy. Hell Jamar is still getting healthy.
If any of you watched the first half of the Arizona game this year and how well we played. Well think of that times about 2 because we were without Smith and Randle.
I'll put my boys out there right now and say they're a better team then Duke. I'll argue it right here and right now, on paper we are a better team than Duke.
all of those bolded teams are not better than duke, especially not illlinois or witchita state :lol: BTW you said memphis twice.
You again sorely overrate your team. Btw, It's been pointed out that Memphis is in there twice like 20 times now tt. :lol:
I'll make a bet with someone right here right now that you don't finish top 3 in the ACC. Any takers? And btw, I don't bet on or against Illinois, so no dice there. It's superstition. :wink:
Btw how is Alabama not better than Duke? And didn't LSU beat you last year in the Tourney as well? And Arizona would crush you guys. You'd have to score about 85 to beat them.
I'm too tired to go through the rest.
I sorely overrate my team? Your the one sitting here saying that your unranked team who has yet to beat a ranked team is better than the # 6 team in the country. :lol: :lol:
LSU beat Duke last year when reddick played about his worst game ever, but i give them credit. this year they are without tyrus thomas who pretty much won that game for them.
Duke has a outstanding defense that would keep arizona under 85 and they would beat airizona in a close game i think.
Well we're one one of the best defensive teams in the country and we let up over 85 to Arizona, it's easier said then done partner. I don't question your defense as much as I question your offense.
Btw 4PAC, the bet is if Duke places out of the top 3 in the ACC. I say they will, any takers for the other side for those of you sooo confident in Duke's abilities? The wager, well let's make a sig bet. The winner has to wear a sig of the opposing college basketball team (the other person in the bets favorite team) for 2 months.
Any takers here? Btw, this is all or nothing. Injuries make no difference, and niether do suspensions. It's either Duke in the top 3, or Duke out of the top 3. Period. I dont' want to hear about no stinkin injuries.
Sweetness weren't u just saying Illinois has had injuries, yet Duke can't use that excuse?
Oh ok they can use injuries as an excuse. I was trying to make it easier for me to win dm, come on now. :P :lol:
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 01:57 AM
THE BET: Duke finishes in the top 3 in the ACC.
THE WAGER: Sig bet, loser wears sig of opponents favorite college team for 2 months.
sweetness wins if: Duke finishes anywhere outside the top 3 of the ACC (4th or worse, if they finish 3rd I lose).
opposition wins if: Duke finishes #3, #2, or #1 in the ACC.
Any Dookie fans up for this one? If not I'll make an Illinois bet with someone (even though I always have bad luck with it, but oh well).
Edit: Only Duke fans for this bet. Sorry 4pAc, it wouldn't be as fun if you did it. :D
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:11 AM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:18 AM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
Dang, 4 pages since I left. :shock:
IU played good last night finally, unfortunately it was against IUPUI so it means nada. That ends our non-conference schedule and our next game is against OSU. :cry:
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 07:24 AM
Dang, 4 pages since I left. :shock:
IU played good last night finally, unfortunately it was against IUPUI so it means nada. That ends our non-conference schedule and our next game is against OSU. :cry:
Yep, and a lot of it is yoda all pissed off. :lol:
Don't sweat it man, we play tOSU in 3 games.
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 10:58 AM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Eaglez.Fan
12-23-2006, 11:10 AM
Wow, OSU, not in the top 7 in that list :shock:
Anyways I can't wait for today's game, its gonna be tank
FlutiesDropKick
12-23-2006, 11:22 AM
Wow, OSU, not in the top 7 in that list :shock:
Anyways I can't wait for today's game, its gonna be tank
i think thats the projected ACC standings
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 11:57 AM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
FlutiesDropKick
12-23-2006, 12:01 PM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
ilinois is a solid team and it would be a close game either way but do no tryand tell me Illini homerism does not run rampant in his thread and that you are not amog them
Duke would destroy UI end of story
TN is not playing to there potential up to this point. They are a much better team then this.
This is for Sweetness. Here are some post game quotes for IUPUI Head Coach Ron Hunter:
"In my opinion, I think (Indiana) is the best defensive team in the country.''
"They just take you out of absolutely everything."
"We played Illinois, and Illinois is a good team, but Indiana just takes you out of everything.''
:P
Duke would destroy UI end of story
No they wouldn't. Illinois is on the same level as IU and you barely beat us at Cameron Indoor.
EHobbs27
12-23-2006, 12:13 PM
BC vs. Kansas in less then an hour. Let's go BC baby!!! Tyrese Rice will light it up.
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 12:15 PM
You can talk about how good the teams actually are, but it's silly to say "Team A would wipe out Team B" or " Team A barely beat Team B so Team C would be a good match for Team A" considering anything can happen on any given day in college basketball.
You can talk about how good the teams actually are, but it's silly to say "Team A would wipe out Team B" or " Team A barely beat Team B so Team C would be a good match for Team A" considering anything can happen on any given day in college basketball.
So you think Duke would kill Illinois? Because chances are, that would not happen, especially on a neutral court.
Ravens1991
12-23-2006, 12:23 PM
Go Maryland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is for Sweetness. Here are some post game quotes for IUPUI Head Coach Ron Hunter:
"In my opinion, I think (Indiana) is the best defensive team in the country.''
"They just take you out of absolutely everything."
"We played Illinois, and Illinois is a good team, but Indiana just takes you out of everything.''
:P Isnt that the team UK killed in the NCAA tourney in 2004?
This is for Sweetness. Here are some post game quotes for IUPUI Head Coach Ron Hunter:
"In my opinion, I think (Indiana) is the best defensive team in the country.''
"They just take you out of absolutely everything."
"We played Illinois, and Illinois is a good team, but Indiana just takes you out of everything.''
:P Isnt that the team UK killed in the NCAA tourney in 2004?
Your point?
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 12:31 PM
You can talk about how good the teams actually are, but it's silly to say "Team A would wipe out Team B" or " Team A barely beat Team B so Team C would be a good match for Team A" considering anything can happen on any given day in college basketball.
So you think Duke would kill Illinois? Because chances are, that would not happen, especially on a neutral court.
Pretty sure I didn't say that. I said that believing you'd know the probably outcome of two teams that have not played so confidently is ridiculous because of the fact that, well, you haven't seen them play, and unlike college football, the parity in college basketball is enormous.
You can talk about how good the teams actually are, but it's silly to say "Team A would wipe out Team B" or " Team A barely beat Team B so Team C would be a good match for Team A" considering anything can happen on any given day in college basketball.
So you think Duke would kill Illinois? Because chances are, that would not happen, especially on a neutral court.
Pretty sure I didn't say that. I said that believing you'd know the probably outcome of two teams that have not played so confidently is ridiculous because of the fact that, well, you haven't seen them play, and unlike college football, the parity in college basketball is enormous.
I was making that point in response to Jagsfreak saying that Duke would kill Illinois. It would be a good game IMO.
You can talk about how good the teams actually are, but it's silly to say "Team A would wipe out Team B" or " Team A barely beat Team B so Team C would be a good match for Team A" considering anything can happen on any given day in college basketball.
So you think Duke would kill Illinois? Because chances are, that would not happen, especially on a neutral court.
Pretty sure I didn't say that. I said that believing you'd know the probably outcome of two teams that have not played so confidently is ridiculous because of the fact that, well, you haven't seen them play, and unlike college football, the parity in college basketball is enormous.
I was making that point in response to Jagsfreak saying that Duke would kill Illinois. It would be a good game IMO. No it would not Palus Mcroberts Schyer Mcclure Nelson would light them up!!!!!!!!!!
McRoberts got shut down by Ben Allen, he is so overrated it's not even funny.
Duke would destroy UI end of story
No they wouldn't. Illinois is better than IU and you barely beat us at Cameron Indoor.
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 12:46 PM
Hansbrough did get shut down by Heytvelt, and Noah gets shut down all the time, but no one really calls them out. All three, for one reason or another, is overrated though, so I guess that doesn't matter.
Hansbrough did get shut down by Heytvelt, and Noah gets shut down all the time, but no one really calls them out. All three, for one reason or another, is overrated though, so I guess that doesn't matter.
Noah gets it all from the tournament and not by what he did this year. I don't know why they like Hansbrough so much though.
Duke would destroy UI end of story
No they wouldn't. Illinois is better than IU and you barely beat us at Cameron Indoor.
Ron Hunter wouldn't agree with that. :P
Ravens1991
12-23-2006, 12:49 PM
What type of NBA prospects are Mike Jones and Darryl Strawberry from maryland. Also is John Gilchrest in the NBA or in europe because he did very good when he was at Maryland.
What type of NBA prospects are Mike Jones and Darryl Strawberry from maryland. Also is John Gilchrest in the NBA or in europe because he did very good when he was at Maryland.
I think they both will get drafted this year. I like Strawberry a lot because of how good of a defender he is. If he can become consistent on offense, he'll be a good guard in the NBA.
FlutiesDropKick
12-23-2006, 01:09 PM
anyone else watching the Tennessee/Texas game. Lofton just hit a 27 footer for the lead over Durant.AMAZING 2nd half. Holy crap 5 secondf call on Texas. Once Tennessee put the press on Texas just didn't have the composure to keep it going. A few runs kept Texas in front till now but Tnenessee is just the more experianced team.
FlutiesDropKick
12-23-2006, 01:11 PM
What type of NBA prospects are Mike Jones and Darryl Strawberry from maryland. Also is John Gilchrest in the NBA or in europe because he did very good when he was at Maryland.
He was invited to play in the Cleveland Cavaliers' summer league, but was not picked up by the team. In October 2005, he signed with the Maccabi Rishon Letzion, an Israeli pro team.
from wikipedia
FlutiesDropKick
12-23-2006, 01:12 PM
wow Durant floater off glass to send game to OT
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 01:13 PM
Yeah, this game is pretty amazing. Hopefully nothing interesting happens early in the Michigan/UCLA game.
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 01:50 PM
Well, Durant is still looking like the player I thought he was a few games into the season, though someone got all defensive about that at the time. He's got talent, but I don't know if he'll necessarily be worth a top 2 pick. There might not be very many that are better below him, though.
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 01:51 PM
Oh and this Michigan/UCLA game really isn't exciting at all, though people get to see Collison in action. Hopefully Ohio State/Florida lives up to the billing.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:16 PM
Duke would destroy UI end of story
OMG Jags, you have yet to give me a god damn reason to why Duke is so good. You shyed away from it yesterday, and now you want back in the mix. yoda and tt at least had some balls to argue against me.
Now it's your turn. Tell me how and why Duke is a top 10 team and how they could beat Illinois. When on paper I think we're the better team. Gimme a break, dude.
FlutiesDropKick
12-23-2006, 02:18 PM
Well, Durant is still looking like the player I thought he was a few games into the season, though someone got all defensive about that at the time. He's got talent, but I don't know if he'll necessarily be worth a top 2 pick. There might not be very many that are better below him, though.
he's good but he has to concentrate more on the boards. He only had 4 in the game i think but i know he can do it as he ripped one from two vols on a big play in the 2nd half.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:20 PM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
ilinois is a solid team and it would be a close game either way but do no tryand tell me Illini homerism does not run rampant in his thread and that you are not amog them
Well no one has yet to dispute my breakdown of both Duke and Illinois on paper. No one has. It's sitting on page 28.
McRoberts and Paulus are two of the most overrated players in the nation. And they've shown that this season. Both were star guys out of high school and have yet to live up to the hype. They would not dominate anyone.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 02:21 PM
Dang, 4 pages since I left. :shock:
IU played good last night finally, unfortunately it was against IUPUI so it means nada. That ends our non-conference schedule and our next game is against OSU. :cry:
Yep, and a lot of it is yoda all pissed off. :lol:
Don't sweat it man, we play tOSU in 3 games.
I don't get pissed off............
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 02:22 PM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
ilinois is a solid team and it would be a close game either way but do no tryand tell me Illini homerism does not run rampant in his thread and that you are not amog them
Well no one has yet to dispute my breakdown of both Duke and Illinois on paper. No one has. It's sitting on page 28.
McRoberts and Paulus are two of the most overrated players in the nation. And they've shown that this season. Both were star guys out of high school and have yet to live up to the hype. They would not dominate anyone.
I personally hate Paulus. Even in his good games, he turns the ball over a lot.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:24 PM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
ilinois is a solid team and it would be a close game either way but do no tryand tell me Illini homerism does not run rampant in his thread and that you are not amog them
Well no one has yet to dispute my breakdown of both Duke and Illinois on paper. No one has. It's sitting on page 28.
McRoberts and Paulus are two of the most overrated players in the nation. And they've shown that this season. Both were star guys out of high school and have yet to live up to the hype. They would not dominate anyone.
I personally hate Paulus. Even in his good games, he turns the ball over a lot.
Whooo Hooo, there you go Jags. Paulus couldn't dominante a paper bag.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 02:28 PM
You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
ilinois is a solid team and it would be a close game either way but do no tryand tell me Illini homerism does not run rampant in his thread and that you are not amog them
Well no one has yet to dispute my breakdown of both Duke and Illinois on paper. No one has. It's sitting on page 28.
McRoberts and Paulus are two of the most overrated players in the nation. And they've shown that this season. Both were star guys out of high school and have yet to live up to the hype. They would not dominate anyone.
I personally hate Paulus. Even in his good games, he turns the ball over a lot.
Whooo Hooo, there you go Jags. Paulus couldn't dominante a paper bag.
However, I can not say the same about McRoberts. Paulus, however, yes, he is too up and down.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:31 PM
[quote:3cf95f6dbb="4pAc"]You want to take it a step further and use this bet to make the loser wear bears/packers sigs :twisted:
Sure we can do that. You've got a bet buddy. Btw, this is the Duke bet right? :oops:you've got a bet... :twisted:
Damn, this is gonna take a while, oh well.:lol
Btw, if anyone else wants to get in on this, be my guest. You're more than welcome to take either side, we'll just match you up with someone who's on the other side to switch sigs with. :D
I think it'll end up a little like this:
1. UNC
2. Georgia Tech
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Clemson
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
That's my top 7.
You think Wake will finish that low? I know it's a down year, but that'd be pretty surprising. I think Duke will get be above Maryland though. They're probably just as inconsistent, but I'd say their "highs" aren't quite as high. I'd like to see my boy Thaddeus Young take Ga Tech over UNC, but that won't happen.
Anyway, for whoever that was, Washington is infinitely better than Duke... and most other teams. Can't wait to see them play UCLA. I hope it's a good game.
Please ready this Duke fans and take off the homer glasses.
Btw me saying Illinois is a better team than Duke is far from a homer statement.
ilinois is a solid team and it would be a close game either way but do no tryand tell me Illini homerism does not run rampant in his thread and that you are not amog them
Well no one has yet to dispute my breakdown of both Duke and Illinois on paper. No one has. It's sitting on page 28.
McRoberts and Paulus are two of the most overrated players in the nation. And they've shown that this season. Both were star guys out of high school and have yet to live up to the hype. They would not dominate anyone.
I personally hate Paulus. Even in his good games, he turns the ball over a lot.
Whooo Hooo, there you go Jags. Paulus couldn't dominante a paper bag.
However, I can not say the same about McRoberts. Paulus, however, yes, he is too up and down.[/quote:3cf95f6dbb]
McRoberts is soooo inconsistent right now. He'll throw out a game like Gonzaga, then he'll throw out a game like Marquette. I don't see him being dominant this season. Good? Yes, but they'll need him to be dominant and I don't think he can handle it.
The sad thing for Duke is that I think Nelson and Scheyer are going to have to carry this team. Nelson has the ability, but Scheyer, um yea. Not right now.
yodapoop
12-23-2006, 02:37 PM
To answer the question earlier......
No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.
Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 02:51 PM
To answer the question earlier......
No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.
Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.
Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:
I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 03:17 PM
Anyone watching the game (Bucks and Gators)?
It's a friggin 3 fest right now. Niether team looks very good. Like I've said before, and like Packer mentioned, OSU's inexperience could and IMO will be their downfall this season.
thetedginnshow
12-23-2006, 03:36 PM
I didn't know Horford would be playing. This would be EXTREMELY impressive then if Ohio State could pull it off.
This is for Sweetness. Here are some post game quotes for IUPUI Head Coach Ron Hunter:
"In my opinion, I think (Indiana) is the best defensive team in the country.''
"They just take you out of absolutely everything."
"We played Illinois, and Illinois is a good team, but Indiana just takes you out of everything.''
:P
I want Sweetness to see it. :D
Shane P. Hallam
12-23-2006, 03:58 PM
Because the IUP coach is the guy to trust with this one.
Anyways, Bucks getting domianted at the moment, but I think we can come back and close in a bit.
yo123
12-23-2006, 03:59 PM
If OSU was shooting like th normally do they would be up by doube digits right now. Theyre geting a lot of good shots. People arent talking aout Conley enough he might be the quickest player in the Big Ten
Because the IUP coach is the guy to trust with this one.
Anyways, Bucks getting domianted at the moment, but I think we can come back and close in a bit.
I just want to show Sweetness what he said. :P Hunter actually is a very respected coach, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't jump to a bigger program after this year.
Thunderstruck
12-23-2006, 04:00 PM
While Florida has played well, Ohio State has had numerous shots that have done everything but fall. It isn't over yet.
I would agree that their inexperience could be their downfall, but they are loaded from top to bottom, which will really start to show in March. This team has the potential to equal the Fab Five, and I wouldn't be at all suprised if they did.
detroit4life
12-23-2006, 04:17 PM
this year or in the future because odens going to be leaving this year
Shane P. Hallam
12-23-2006, 04:21 PM
this year or in the future because odens going to be leaving this year
Yeah, I'm guessing he's saying this year. I think we can ride out and have a good run in the tourney, but not a final four birth.
That being said, it will be interesting to see who from this team stays and who goes onto the draft. We have Kousta Koufos coming anyways, so I'm happy.
sweetness34
12-23-2006, 04:30 PM
While Florida has played well, Ohio State has had numerous shots that have done everything but fall. It isn't over yet.
I would agree that their inexperience could be their downfall, but they are loaded from top to bottom, which will really start to show in March. This team has the potential to equal the Fab Five, and I wouldn't be at all suprised if they did.
It's over now. Ohio States immaturity is killing them right now IMO. Taking terrible shots, bad passes, not playing defense.
This game proves that there is not clear cut favorite this season in College Basketball. Also, Oden is getting owned tonight. He's been ok on defense, but he's been beat. And he gives nothing on offense right now.
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