College Basketball Thread

[sweetness34]

If OSU was shooting like th normally do they would be up by doube digits right now. Theyre geting a lot of good shots. People arent talking aout Conley enough he might be the quickest player in the Big Ten

You live by the 3, you die by the 3. Same can be said for a lot of teams. But the good ones realize that if they aren't shooting well from the outside, they go inside and get fouls and easy buckets.

It's what killed my Illini against Missouri, even though we won, we relied on the 3 too much. Same thing with Ohio State.

The Buckeyes are getting smacked tonight on all ends of the floor.

[thetedginnshow]

It's clear that unless the Buckeyes are hot, their downfall is the lack of a deep bench. Florida hasn't outplayed them (until recently), they've just had fresher bodies. It's still not out of the question that they could make a championship run, but the Buckeyes are either going to need to play extremely smart, or just completely slow down the tempo against every team they play.

[sweetness34]

Wow, just wow. Florida just flat out ass raped Ohio State in the 2nd Half.

[Namy]

I just watched the Florida/OSU game. First game of Oden I got to see other than when he was in high school. He looked good for the most part. He had some nasty blocks (like against Noah), and was obviously a dominant rebounder and was able to find the hole pretty well. Also, he seems to be able to pass outta double teams quite well.

However, he has question marks. His stamina seems pathetic. He was literally dragging himself up the court after about 4-5 minutes of play. Maybe his conditioning is still down b/c he hasn't played for awhile. Anyways, it's not too big of a concern I guess w/all the elite strength and conditioning programs in the NBA. Also, how is his outside shot? He just put in dunks off of misses from what I saw. No real ability to create a shot for himself. Finally, I gotta question his defense. Sure, he's a great shot blocker, but Florida killed him w/ease on pick and rolls. He doesn't seem to have good lateral footwork.

Anyways, these are all teachable things, and he is still an elite physical prospect (but damn, he really does look like an older LeBron), so I have no doubt he will still go #1 overall.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I just watched the Florida/OSU game. First game of Oden I got to see other than when he was in high school. He looked good for the most part. He had some nasty blocks (like against Noah), and was obviously a dominant rebounder and was able to find the hole pretty well. Also, he seems to be able to pass outta double teams quite well.

However, he has question marks. His stamina seems pathetic. He was literally dragging himself up the court after about 4-5 minutes of play. Maybe his conditioning is still down b/c he hasn't played for awhile. Anyways, it's not too big of a concern I guess w/all the elite strength and conditioning programs in the NBA. Also, how is his outside shot? He just put in dunks off of misses from what I saw. No real ability to create a shot for himself. Finally, I gotta question his defense. Sure, he's a great shot blocker, but Florida killed him w/ease on pick and rolls. He doesn't seem to have good lateral footwork.

Anyways, these are all teachable things, and he is still an elite physical prospect (but damn, he really does look like an older LeBron), so I have no doubt he will still go #1 overall.

I'm glad for people who watched this thing to see a couple of things. First off that Greg Oden is not God and he isn't guaranteed to go #1 overall especially the way Kevin Durant is playing and even Brandan Wright although inconsistent is lightyears ahead in his offensive game than Oden., I hope people actually saw that he does have many weaknesses something you can't spot just by reading a scouting report or watching highlights on ESPN. I'm also glad that people saw like I have been saying the past 2 years that Noah is a piece of trash and I wouldn't touch him in the top 25 picks, to think that people are labeling him a top 5 or top 3 pick just makes me laugh. Raptors should thank God that he didn't enter cause they would be crying right now if they took him. Like I said Noah=Etan Thomas+Anderson Varenjao at best.

[SuperMcgee]

Now its just up to Florida's football team to do the same 8)

[SuperMcgee]

and as far as I'm concerned, Michigan didn't even play today

[Shane P. Hallam]

I just watched the Florida/OSU game. First game of Oden I got to see other than when he was in high school. He looked good for the most part. He had some nasty blocks (like against Noah), and was obviously a dominant rebounder and was able to find the hole pretty well. Also, he seems to be able to pass outta double teams quite well.

However, he has question marks. His stamina seems pathetic. He was literally dragging himself up the court after about 4-5 minutes of play. Maybe his conditioning is still down b/c he hasn't played for awhile. Anyways, it's not too big of a concern I guess w/all the elite strength and conditioning programs in the NBA. Also, how is his outside shot? He just put in dunks off of misses from what I saw. No real ability to create a shot for himself. Finally, I gotta question his defense. Sure, he's a great shot blocker, but Florida killed him w/ease on pick and rolls. He doesn't seem to have good lateral footwork.

Anyways, these are all teachable things, and he is still an elite physical prospect (but damn, he really does look like an older LeBron), so I have no doubt he will still go #1 overall.

I'm glad for people who watched this thing to see a couple of things. First off that Greg Oden is not God and he isn't guaranteed to go #1 overall especially the way Kevin Durant is playing and even Brandan Wright although inconsistent is lightyears ahead in his offensive game than Oden., I hope people actually saw that he does have many weaknesses something you can't spot just by reading a scouting report or watching highlights on ESPN. I'm also glad that people saw like I have been saying the past 2 years that Noah is a piece of trash and I wouldn't touch him in the top 25 picks, to think that people are labeling him a top 5 or top 3 pick just makes me laugh. Raptors should thank God that he didn't enter cause they would be crying right now if they took him. Like I said Noah=Etan Thomas+Anderson Varenjao at best.

Oden can't play offense right now, he can't flick his wrist. All he really has is dunks. I'm waiting to see what he has when completely healthy to see how he is. The fact that he may be at 60% of playing ability and dominated in a few aspects of the game is saying something.

That being said, his stamina was weak, he didn't rebound well, we'll see what happens.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I just watched the Florida/OSU game. First game of Oden I got to see other than when he was in high school. He looked good for the most part. He had some nasty blocks (like against Noah), and was obviously a dominant rebounder and was able to find the hole pretty well. Also, he seems to be able to pass outta double teams quite well.

However, he has question marks. His stamina seems pathetic. He was literally dragging himself up the court after about 4-5 minutes of play. Maybe his conditioning is still down b/c he hasn't played for awhile. Anyways, it's not too big of a concern I guess w/all the elite strength and conditioning programs in the NBA. Also, how is his outside shot? He just put in dunks off of misses from what I saw. No real ability to create a shot for himself. Finally, I gotta question his defense. Sure, he's a great shot blocker, but Florida killed him w/ease on pick and rolls. He doesn't seem to have good lateral footwork.

Anyways, these are all teachable things, and he is still an elite physical prospect (but damn, he really does look like an older LeBron), so I have no doubt he will still go #1 overall.

I'm glad for people who watched this thing to see a couple of things. First off that Greg Oden is not God and he isn't guaranteed to go #1 overall especially the way Kevin Durant is playing and even Brandan Wright although inconsistent is lightyears ahead in his offensive game than Oden., I hope people actually saw that he does have many weaknesses something you can't spot just by reading a scouting report or watching highlights on ESPN. I'm also glad that people saw like I have been saying the past 2 years that Noah is a piece of trash and I wouldn't touch him in the top 25 picks, to think that people are labeling him a top 5 or top 3 pick just makes me laugh. Raptors should thank God that he didn't enter cause they would be crying right now if they took him. Like I said Noah=Etan Thomas+Anderson Varenjao at best.

Oden can't play offense right now, he can't flick his wrist. All he really has is dunks. I'm waiting to see what he has when completely healthy to see how he is. The fact that he may be at 60% of playing ability and dominated in a few aspects of the game is saying something.

That being said, his stamina was weak, he didn't rebound well, we'll see what happens.

Take my word for what it's worth but I watched about 2 dozen of his highschool games most when he was a junior but 3-4 from last year and he had 0 offensive game beyond 3 feet from the basket, when he did shoot it was pretty bad, that's why at ABCD camp 2 summers ago when the bigger Derrick Caracter he was dominated and couldn't buy a basket. The thing that worries me about him is that when he is pushed away from the rim by stronger guys he is lost in the offense, but still the raw potential is good and he probably will be the top pick and at worst the 3rd pick but I just think that people were too quick to jump the boat on the whole next best player since LeBron thing. He has so much learning to do and if he was smart would stay more than 1 year but that probably won't happen.

[Namy]

I just watched the Florida/OSU game. First game of Oden I got to see other than when he was in high school. He looked good for the most part. He had some nasty blocks (like against Noah), and was obviously a dominant rebounder and was able to find the hole pretty well. Also, he seems to be able to pass outta double teams quite well.

However, he has question marks. His stamina seems pathetic. He was literally dragging himself up the court after about 4-5 minutes of play. Maybe his conditioning is still down b/c he hasn't played for awhile. Anyways, it's not too big of a concern I guess w/all the elite strength and conditioning programs in the NBA. Also, how is his outside shot? He just put in dunks off of misses from what I saw. No real ability to create a shot for himself. Finally, I gotta question his defense. Sure, he's a great shot blocker, but Florida killed him w/ease on pick and rolls. He doesn't seem to have good lateral footwork.

Anyways, these are all teachable things, and he is still an elite physical prospect (but damn, he really does look like an older LeBron), so I have no doubt he will still go #1 overall.

I'm glad for people who watched this thing to see a couple of things. First off that Greg Oden is not God and he isn't guaranteed to go #1 overall especially the way Kevin Durant is playing and even Brandan Wright although inconsistent is lightyears ahead in his offensive game than Oden., I hope people actually saw that he does have many weaknesses something you can't spot just by reading a scouting report or watching highlights on ESPN. I'm also glad that people saw like I have been saying the past 2 years that Noah is a piece of trash and I wouldn't touch him in the top 25 picks, to think that people are labeling him a top 5 or top 3 pick just makes me laugh. Raptors should thank God that he didn't enter cause they would be crying right now if they took him. Like I said Noah=Etan Thomas+Anderson Varenjao at best.

Oden can't play offense right now, he can't flick his wrist. All he really has is dunks. I'm waiting to see what he has when completely healthy to see how he is. The fact that he may be at 60% of playing ability and dominated in a few aspects of the game is saying something.

That being said, his stamina was weak, he didn't rebound well, we'll see what happens.

Take my word for what it's worth but I watched about 2 dozen of his highschool games most when he was a junior but 3-4 from last year and he had 0 offensive game beyond 3 feet from the basket, when he did shoot it was pretty bad, that's why at ABCD camp 2 summers ago when the bigger Derrick Caracter he was dominated and couldn't buy a basket. The thing that worries me about him is that when he is pushed away from the rim by stronger guys he is lost in the offense, but still the raw potential is good and he probably will be the top pick and at worst the 3rd pick but I just think that people were too quick to jump the boat on the whole next best player since LeBron thing. He has so much learning to do and if he was smart would stay more than 1 year but that probably won't happen.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most NBA players are drafted on potential, and this guy has a lot of upside. Kobe, Tracy McGrady, Jermaine O'Neal, KG, and most recently Dwight Howard were stick figures coming into the league (Dwight Howard repped at 180 coming out of high school, which is just pathetic). The NBA has some of the best strengh and conditioning programs (so no need to worry about him being pushed around) as well as training programs to help him shoot better. It seems Oden is a willing learner, and that's all it will take.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Oh ghetto, I trust your B-ball knowledge more than I trust my eyes. I think he is raw at a lot of things, and why I'd only be slightly surprised if he stayed another year. The fact that he's come out and said he wants to stay all four years baffled me, but I guess it was supposed to make us happy. He's gone, and NBA teams really really want him. That's all I know.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Oh ghetto, I trust your B-ball knowledge more than I trust my eyes. I think he is raw at a lot of things, and why I'd only be slightly surprised if he stayed another year. The fact that he's come out and said he wants to stay all four years baffled me, but I guess it was supposed to make us happy. He's gone, and NBA teams really really want him. That's all I know.

Common knowledge says that he Durant, Wright and others will leave after a year but it always depends on the kid and their family's situation. I don't know what his situation is but if he wants to improve in college and get a degree more power to him, but the majority of young guys run when they see the money.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Oh ghetto, I trust your B-ball knowledge more than I trust my eyes. I think he is raw at a lot of things, and why I'd only be slightly surprised if he stayed another year. The fact that he's come out and said he wants to stay all four years baffled me, but I guess it was supposed to make us happy. He's gone, and NBA teams really really want him. That's all I know.

Common knowledge says that he Durant, Wright and others will leave after a year but it always depends on the kid and their family's situation. I don't know what his situation is but if he wants to improve in college and get a degree more power to him, but the majority of young guys run when they see the money.

Oh yeah, trust me, Oden is #1 overall, with that money? He's going. That's why I don't understand why he would come out and say he wants to stay. I fully don't expect to have Oden here next year and to just use Koufos.

[TitleTown088]

Ok then Illinois is a top 20 team. Here I'll name 20 teams that are better than Duke IMO.

Wisky
OSU
Florida
Kansas
Alabama
Marquette
UNC
Georgia Tech
UCONN
LSU
Witchita State
Arizona
Maryland
Memphis
Texas A & M
Pittsburgh
UCLA
Memphis
Washington
Illinois


your reachin for the ones in bold, and u listed memphis twice.


it must have been a long day :lol:

How am I reaching on Illinois? How, seriously. We've lost 2 games due IMO to injuries and just bad luck. Duke has lost 1 game with a full squad.

Paulus and McRoberts are waaaay to inconsistent for my liking. You can't count on either one to play well every game. Nelson has been their consistent player this season but other than that, I just don't see it. Scheyer is a freshman who won't be able to carry the load. And they don't have a lot of depth. The lack a real inside presence as well. The jury is still out on Josh.

Illinois has battled injuries and bad luck all non-conference. Yet we've almost knocked off two ranked teams in Maryland and Arizona, two games that we should have won. We just beat a good Missouri team on Monday, and again our squad was not completely healthy. Warren Carter has played like an All-Big 10 player so far. Shaun Pruitt is slowly emerging as a low post threat. Chester Frazier has been very good, I thin he's top 10 in assists nationally. Jamar is a great offensive weapon off the bench. Brian Randle is an All-Big 10 caliber player when he's healthy, and he's shown signs of an outside shot already. Calvin Brock has been awesome so far, giving us a true 6th man off the bench. If Rich McBride can give us ANY production what so ever, we are going to be damn good. He's really struggled so far but I think he can put it together.

Trent Meacham gives us a solid PG off the bench and Marcus Arnold gives us decent minutes at the forward postion. One of our better freshman Semrau is gone for the season with a viral infection, he'll be really missed.

I will argue that Illinois is better team than Duke right here right now. We've IMO a tougher schedule so far this season and only have one more loss, not to mention the injuries. Maryland, Arizona, and Missouri against Marquette, Georgetown, and Gonazaga. I'd take the latter if I was making a schedule.

Btw how am I reaching on Marquette, they beat Duke by what was it 13?

Aight i watch every illinois game, and dude they are gonna be in trouble once they enter big ten play. They nearly gave away that Mizzouri game. I'd say OSU, Wisconsin, MSU, and MICHIGAN can beat you in the big ten.


Also Marquette got lucky, they are not good at all.

Dude the Missouri game is always close, it was even close 2 years ago when we went to the Final 4. Not sure what you're argument is there.

Yoda, we have yet to field a full and healthy team, you cannot judge us based on our wins and losses right now. Randle, Smith, Carter, Pruitt, and Frazier are all banged up.

Butler beat Gonzaga by more than you did and they're what 14th? And Zaga was playing better then.

Dude i'm sayin that was some awfully poor management late, if you do that against OSU, Wisky, MSU, or Michigan, you'll lose. Believe me i have seen Illinois play so i'm not blowin smoke

Ugh, do you people not realize that we are not healthy yet? Seriously, it's like beating a dead horse here. For christs sake *********** a. Go and watch the first half of the Arizona game, that's how good we can be, and again without 2 of our best players. We hung in there with a top 10 team in Arizona for 40 minutes withotu Randle and Smith.

Btw, and I'll say this again, THE 2004 TEAM BEAT MISSOURI BY SINGLE DIGITS AND WENT ON TO THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME. The game is always close. I'm going to use tt's argument, sure it was close, but we didn't lose. :roll:

Sounds like some1 is contradicting himself.

Sweetness=http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lg8528.jpgthank you yoda. some one else sees sweetness ia a homer, and also a hypocrite by saying that we have duke homer glasses on when in reality he is the one wearing double illinios homer eyepatches.

[danman253]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?

Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

[Boston]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?

Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Yeah, they are pretty good. But you don't lose by fourty points and call your team "underrated." You guys got your asses kicked and you can't use the "but the other team is really good" excuse.

[sweetness34]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?

Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

[BuckNaked]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?

Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

UCLA's not that great. My favorite team Kentucky almost won and they arent that great this year.

[sweetness34]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?

Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

UCLA's not that great. My favorite team Kentucky almost won and they arent that great this year.

And yet they beat Michigan by 40 points, maybe there's a connection between the 40 point disparity and Michigan not being too good this season. What the hell do I know though?

One to go.

[EHobbs27]

Florida played really well against Ohio State. BUT I do feel that Florida will have trouble come March with a team that likes to run like a UNC or a Kansas. Florida is so much better when they force the game to be played in the half court because Horford and Noah are dominant. If the game is played faster and it is a run and gun type of game, you take out Horford and Noah.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Florida played really well against Ohio State. BUT I do feel that Florida will have trouble come March with a team that likes to run like a UNC or a Kansas. Florida is so much better when they force the game to be played in the half court because Horford and Noah are dominant. If the game is played faster and it is a run and gun type of game, you take out Horford and Noah.

Not really, athletic guys like Brewer and Green will get back on defense and will stop transition offense. And you can't say Hansborough and Brandan Wright are gonna beat Noah and Horford down the court, defense isn't a problem with Florida, and they will slow it down on offense and set up, still Flordia won't win the championship it's gonna be GTown.

[TitleTown088]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

any other reason??? the only thing that matters in the rankings is your record. :lol:

[sweetness34]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

any other reason??? the only thing that matters in the rankings is your record. :lol:

And we're 12-2 with 6 injuries this season (Chet, Jamar, Warren, Shaun, Semrau, and Randle. You're only argument is their record. Can you even make a legit argument about talent or is that too far out their for you? :lol:

I'd really like to see what you can do if you lost Nelson (IMO your best player and scorer if he had a groin injury), McRoberts (if he had a chipped bone in his hand), Paulus (if he had turf toe and foot problems), Scheyer (freshman if he had a severe viral infection), and Henderson (with an ankle injury). Not to mention one of your leaders getting suspended for 4 games.

[TitleTown088]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

any other reason??? the only thing that matters in the rankings is your record. :lol:

And we're 12-2 with 6 injuries this season (Chet, Jamar, Warren, Shaun, Semrau, and Randle. You're only argument is their record. Can you even make a legit argument about talent or is that too far out their for you? :lol:

I'd really like to see what you can do if you lost Nelson (IMO your best player and scorer if he had a groin injury), McRoberts (if he had a chipped bone in his hand), Paulus (if he had turf toe and foot problems), Scheyer (freshman if he had a severe viral infection), and Henderson (with an ankle injury). Not to mention one of your leaders getting suspended for 4 games. i could talk about talent all day, but the bottem line is production. and production is your record. What difference does talent make if you don't win?

[sweetness34]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

any other reason??? the only thing that matters in the rankings is your record. :lol:

And we're 12-2 with 6 injuries this season (Chet, Jamar, Warren, Shaun, Semrau, and Randle. You're only argument is their record. Can you even make a legit argument about talent or is that too far out their for you? :lol:

I'd really like to see what you can do if you lost Nelson (IMO your best player and scorer if he had a groin injury), McRoberts (if he had a chipped bone in his hand), Paulus (if he had turf toe and foot problems), Scheyer (freshman if he had a severe viral infection), and Henderson (with an ankle injury). Not to mention one of your leaders getting suspended for 4 games. i could talk about talent all day, but the bottem line is production. and production is your record. What difference does talent make if you don't win?

That's not the point of my argument. My argument is that we are a better team on paper and you disputed that. And with our injuries, I'd argue we've been just as productive as you. Kinda hard to win games when you've had a make shift lineup the entire season.

[danman253]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

[TitleTown088]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game. no kidding. illinios is a joke.

[Boston]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

So in the last 12 minutes UCLA went on a 40-0 scoring run? Or does "being in it" mean down by only ten or twenty points?

[TitleTown088]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

any other reason??? the only thing that matters in the rankings is your record. :lol:

And we're 12-2 with 6 injuries this season (Chet, Jamar, Warren, Shaun, Semrau, and Randle. You're only argument is their record. Can you even make a legit argument about talent or is that too far out their for you? :lol:

I'd really like to see what you can do if you lost Nelson (IMO your best player and scorer if he had a groin injury), McRoberts (if he had a chipped bone in his hand), Paulus (if he had turf toe and foot problems), Scheyer (freshman if he had a severe viral infection), and Henderson (with an ankle injury). Not to mention one of your leaders getting suspended for 4 games. i could talk about talent all day, but the bottem line is production. and production is your record. What difference does talent make if you don't win?

That's not the point of my argument. My argument is that we are a better team on paper and you disputed that. And with our injuries, I'd argue we've been just as productive as you. Kinda hard to win games when you've had a make shift lineup the entire season.On paper? on paper? who gives a **** about on paper! You've been just as productive as duke??????????? duke has two top 25 wins, you have 0. duke has 1 loss you have 2. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[danman253]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

So in the last 12 minutes UCLA went on a 40-0 scoring run? Or does "being in it" mean down by only ten or twenty points?
They were down 15. Not exactly out of it.

So i guess you didn't watch it either, nice job.

[Boston]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

So in the last 12 minutes UCLA went on a 40-0 scoring run? Or does "being in it" mean down by only ten or twenty points?
They were down 15. Not exactly out of it.

So i guess you didn't watch it either, nice job.

Yeah, you lost, but at least you were down by only 15 points at one point in the game. That's a plus.

[danman253]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

So in the last 12 minutes UCLA went on a 40-0 scoring run? Or does "being in it" mean down by only ten or twenty points?
They were down 15. Not exactly out of it.

So i guess you didn't watch it either, nice job.

Yeah, you lost, but at least you were down by only 15 points at one point in the game. That's a plus.

For Michigan basketball it is :D

[sweetness34]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

The fact that we've had 6 injuries to start the season. 12-2 is pretty damn good for a makeshift team. And for the fact that we should have beaten Arizona in Phoenix without both Randle and Smith, and while Pruitt had a chipped bone in his hand and while Frazier has a foot problem. I'd love to see Michigan cope with those kind of problems while losing Harris and Simms. Btw, what teams have you played this season that are worth a salt?

Hmm lemme check oh NC State and UCLA. You had a healthy squad and lost both games.

And btw, underrated teams don't get blown out by 40 teams, I'm sorry. It just doesn't happen.

But keep telling yourselves they're better than us. Sure anything can happen in a basketball game but the matchup just isn't there danman.

Ok here we go again with the matchup b/w us and Duke since none of the Duke fans want to step up to the plate and argue it.

Paulus vs Frazier - I'd take Frazier all day long. Read on page 28 to see why.

Nelson vs McBride - Nelson all day long.

Randle vs Scheyer - Randle all day long.

Carter vs McRoberts - Warren Carter has been a force all year, period. McRoberts is waaay to inconsistent.

Pruitt vs ? - Who is Duke's C anyway? I'll give you the C here for sympathy. Haha just kiddin. Pruitt has a lot of skill but he's also inconsistent. So I'll take Duke's guys.

Our bench vs your bench.

Jamar Smith, Calvin Brock, Trent Meacham, Brian Carlwell, and Marcus Arnold vs Henderson, McClure, (and whoever else they have).

Jamar Smith is one of the most talented offensive guards in the country shooting the ball. I see him as being a hybrid of JJ Redick who can drive the ball. Calvin Brock has been a great fine for our team this season and has done very well, been our MVP multiple times this season. The other 3 are solid guys who can produce off the bench. Not great but solid.

There, someone argue this with me please. I'll be waiting to counter-argue.

[danman253]

We'll see what happens sweetness. But the fact is Illinois has not produced either, so don't go calling them a top 25 team when really they have not done anythign to merit it.

[sweetness34]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game.

So in the last 12 minutes UCLA went on a 40-0 scoring run? Or does "being in it" mean down by only ten or twenty points?
They were down 15. Not exactly out of it.

So i guess you didn't watch it either, nice job.

Yeah, you lost, but at least you were down by only 15 points at one point in the game. That's a plus.

For Michigan basketball it is :D

Oh so now you're back peddaling. A minute ago you said that Michigan was going to sweep us, us being a team that a majority of people have picked as the 3rd best team in the Big 10.

[danman253]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

[Boston]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

It's too bad that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...

[killa3312]

Simply put: when Florida plays like they did yesterday, nobody in the country is capable of beating them. The thing with Florida is, they're not a deep team, and they need all their players healthy to be a dominant team, but boy, when they're healthy, it's a joy to watch. All of Florida's losses last year, and their two losses this season, have come when they've had players out. If anyone goes down, they're more than beatable, but when they have all their bodies in the lineup, they are a dominant team.

You can see Oden is going to be a special player, he's unbelievable defensively, but he does have his flaws. One main one being that he gets pushed around in the post by experienced and intelligent post players. Horford and Richard continually pushed him out of the paint yesterday and grabbed rebounds over him. He'll learn with time, and if he stays around another year, Ohio State becomes my favorite to win the title in '08.

[danman253]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

It's too bad that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...

And... Michigan is not a great team.

However Illinois is not that good either, and would lose by a lot to UCLA as well.

[sweetness34]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

You just said they'd beat us in a matchup, but then you say being down 15 points is Michigan Basketball. Something's gotta give there danman.

And btw, could someone please break down Illinois and tell me how they suck. Please. It's getting ridiculous to hear you guys talk crap and not back it up. Randle has stepped in and played well, so has Jamar, so has Chet, so has Warren Carter. It's a matter of we can't get all of our guys on the court at the same time. Jags says we suck, danman says we suck, tt says we suck but I've yet to hear any analysis.

And btw titletown, have you seen Illinois this season, if so break them down for me. That's right, break them down starting 5, bench, etc. I've broken down Duke for you many times, and all you've argued is records and production. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the matchup, as I have been.

Tell me how Duke is a top 10 team and tell me how Illinois sucks. If you can prove to me either of those to be true then I'll shut up, but if you can't I'm going to continue to say we're a better team on paper. Sure it doesn't mean much to be "better on paper" but if I had a pick b/w the two, I'd take Illinois. Maybe it's a homer statement, or maybe it's the fact that I've seen Duke 4 times this season, and I've watched my guys all year long and Duke has done nothing to open up my eyes. I've watched a fully healthy top 10 team struggle against Holy Cross and Kent State at Cameron.

Btw and MSU being in the top 25 is a joke too. Without Morgan, they're about as good as a low mid major .500 team.

[Boston]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

It's too bad that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...

And... Michigan is not a great team.

However Illinois is not that good either, and would lose by a lot to UCLA as well.

So they're classified as an underrated bad team?

[danman253]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

It's too bad that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...

And... Michigan is not a great team.

However Illinois is not that good either, and would lose by a lot to UCLA as well.

So they're classified as an underrated bad team?


God you don't like reading do you?

When does me saying "Not a great team" make them bad.

Underrated. They are an above average team, but should still get a solid 17-18 wins this year.

[sweetness34]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

It's too bad that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...

Too bad they were down double digits almost the entire game. Playing tough and being in the game are two different things. And a 40 point victory doesn't happen on a fluke.

But not having 2 starters, having your PG banged up, and having your PF banged up and leading a #15 team in the nation for 3/4 of the game until the refs screw you over on fouls is underrated IMO.

Like I said, find me another team who's had as much crap happen to them as we have so far and then talk to me. Florida comes close with Brewer having Mono and Horford getting a bummed ankle but other than that, 12-2 for a team that's had this many injuries is damn good IMO.

[danman253]

Sweetness i have most of Illinois' games. Besides the Arizona game i really do not see anything to boast about, injuries or not.

[sweetness34]

How am i backpedaling. Michigan has not bee na great program. Playing tough for 3/4 against UCLA is good for us.

Sweetness, all you are saying is that Illinois is good xcept for the injured guys, but you assume they are gonna step in and tear it up? How does that work?

It's too bad that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...

And... Michigan is not a great team.

However Illinois is not that good either, and would lose by a lot to UCLA as well.

So they're classified as an underrated bad team?


God you don't like reading do you?

When does me saying "Not a great team" make them bad.

Underrated. They are an above average team, but should still get a solid 17-18 wins this year.

But they'll finish about 5th in the Conference. That's not being a homer, that's stating a likely fact. Hell Purdue has a shot to finish in front of you, as does Indiana.

I won't argue that they are a solid team but underrated? You're 12-2 off of a weaker non conference then us and you didn't have the injuries we have. Sure UCLA is a tough game, but playing the likes of Arizona, Missouri, Xavier, and Maryland trumps your non conference.

[sweetness34]

To answer the question earlier......

No, we are not a top 10 team, we are too up and down.

Yes, we are a top 15 team. Prolly, around 15ish, but we are.

Explain why please yoda, other than the 11-1 record. We have a 12-2 record and we aren't ranked. So what makes Duke a top 15 team?
Btw danman, how been them Wolverines, 40 points to UCLA! :shock:

I'm sorry but Michigan is not a better team then Illinois, period end of story.

Or UCLA is incredibly good. 23 turnovers will kill you. Michigan will sweep Illinois, mark it down

Just stop dude, please. It's laughable at this point. You have played a very weak non conference schedule and just lost by 40 points to the #1 team in the nation.

And again tt and other Duke fans, you call me a homer but you've...

A) Yet to say anything about my matchup post on Page 28

B) Provide any basis to why Duke is good besides their record

C) Yet to prove to me that you aren't a serious homer, even ttgs said a lot of teams were better than you

D) You've yet to answer my questions about how you feel about their ranking

Step up to the plate and say something besides them having only one loss.

any other reason??? the only thing that matters in the rankings is your record. :lol:

And we're 12-2 with 6 injuries this season (Chet, Jamar, Warren, Shaun, Semrau, and Randle. You're only argument is their record. Can you even make a legit argument about talent or is that too far out their for you? :lol:

I'd really like to see what you can do if you lost Nelson (IMO your best player and scorer if he had a groin injury), McRoberts (if he had a chipped bone in his hand), Paulus (if he had turf toe and foot problems), Scheyer (freshman if he had a severe viral infection), and Henderson (with an ankle injury). Not to mention one of your leaders getting suspended for 4 games. i could talk about talent all day, but the bottem line is production. and production is your record. What difference does talent make if you don't win?

That's not the point of my argument. My argument is that we are a better team on paper and you disputed that. And with our injuries, I'd argue we've been just as productive as you. Kinda hard to win games when you've had a make shift lineup the entire season.On paper? on paper? who gives a *********** about on paper! You've been just as productive as duke??????????? duke has two top 25 wins, you have 0. duke has 1 loss you have 2. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Gonzaga is no longer in the top 25 anymore, and niether is Georgetown. Sure they were ranked when you played them but both are highly overrated.

Like I said, with our injuries and with the way we've played this non-conference, we've been just as good.

And I already said "on paper" didn't mean much, but you've yet to argue against me on that. So I'm guessing you think Illinois is a better team too.

The fact is you can't argue the other side here. You can't argue that Illinois is a bad team because you can't calculate injuries and you can't break down our team. I can break down Duke, and again no one has argued with me that Paulus and McRoberts are overrated, BECAUSE THEY ARE.

I know you have the better record, I can see that. But give me Illinois or Duke and I'd take Illinois. Why? Because we have a better "healthy" team from my point of view. If you don't agree, then argue my matchup post.

[Boston]

Ok, we all understand this arguement, Illinois is injured, and Duke has a good record. Obviously neither side is going to be moved. Let's argue about Florida. Best team in the NCAA?

[sweetness34]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game. no kidding. illinios is a joke.

*sweetness puts gun to head, and pulls trigger*

Argue this. Please, because you've yet to argue it without saying we suck. Break down our team or your opinion holds no water to me.

You too danman, and jags.

[sweetness34]

Ok, we all understand this arguement, Illinois is injured, and Duke has a good record. Obviously neither side is going to be moved. Let's argue about Florida. Best team in the NCAA?

No, not right now. UCLA is playing the best. Talent wise? Hmmm well it's a toss up with Florida, Ohio State, UNC, and Kansas.

UCLA looks to be the best coached and the've looked the most consistent.

Florida has been up and down so far. Sure when they play very well no one can beat them IMO, but that's if they play well. Remember they did lose to an inconsistent Kansas team on a neutral court, a Kansas team that lost to both DePaul and Oral Roberts (and OR was at home).

[danman253]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game. no kidding. illinios is a joke.

*sweetness puts gun to head, and pulls trigger*

Argue this. Please, because you've yet to argue it without saying we suck. Break down our team or your opinion holds no water to me.

You too danman, and jags.


Illinois is not a joke, i just think you give them way too much credit. You're placing too much on injuries, to players that really if you say they would have played in that "oh they'd win for sure".

[sweetness34]

Simply put: when Florida plays like they did yesterday, nobody in the country is capable of beating them. The thing with Florida is, they're not a deep team, and they need all their players healthy to be a dominant team, but boy, when they're healthy, it's a joy to watch. All of Florida's losses last year, and their two losses this season, have come when they've had players out. If anyone goes down, they're more than beatable, but when they have all their bodies in the lineup, they are a dominant team.

You can see Oden is going to be a special player, he's unbelievable defensively, but he does have his flaws. One main one being that he gets pushed around in the post by experienced and intelligent post players. Horford and Richard continually pushed him out of the paint yesterday and grabbed rebounds over him. He'll learn with time, and if he stays around another year, Ohio State becomes my favorite to win the title in '08.

Hmmm coincidence or not? :idea:

[sweetness34]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game. no kidding. illinios is a joke.

*sweetness puts gun to head, and pulls trigger*

Argue this. Please, because you've yet to argue it without saying we suck. Break down our team or your opinion holds no water to me.

You too danman, and jags.


Illinois is not a joke, i just think you give them way too much credit. You're placing too much on injuries, to players that really if you say they would have played in that "oh they'd win for sure".

Ugh; losing two of your best players takes a toll on your team, hell we've even lost Carter now, who if you've watched us has been our MVP. You are not going to go undefeated with the injuries we've had.

Even the mightly Florida has lost because of injuries. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed win for us if we have those guys, but it definitely gives us a better chance to win.

[Boston]

Simply put: when Florida plays like they did yesterday, nobody in the country is capable of beating them. The thing with Florida is, they're not a deep team, and they need all their players healthy to be a dominant team, but boy, when they're healthy, it's a joy to watch. All of Florida's losses last year, and their two losses this season, have come when they've had players out. If anyone goes down, they're more than beatable, but when they have all their bodies in the lineup, they are a dominant team.

You can see Oden is going to be a special player, he's unbelievable defensively, but he does have his flaws. One main one being that he gets pushed around in the post by experienced and intelligent post players. Horford and Richard continually pushed him out of the paint yesterday and grabbed rebounds over him. He'll learn with time, and if he stays around another year, Ohio State becomes my favorite to win the title in '08.

Hmmm coincidence or not? :idea:

I love how people hate it when other people use the "injuries" excuse, untill they have to use it themselves.

[sweetness34]

Simply put: when Florida plays like they did yesterday, nobody in the country is capable of beating them. The thing with Florida is, they're not a deep team, and they need all their players healthy to be a dominant team, but boy, when they're healthy, it's a joy to watch. All of Florida's losses last year, and their two losses this season, have come when they've had players out. If anyone goes down, they're more than beatable, but when they have all their bodies in the lineup, they are a dominant team.

You can see Oden is going to be a special player, he's unbelievable defensively, but he does have his flaws. One main one being that he gets pushed around in the post by experienced and intelligent post players. Horford and Richard continually pushed him out of the paint yesterday and grabbed rebounds over him. He'll learn with time, and if he stays around another year, Ohio State becomes my favorite to win the title in '08.

Hmmm coincidence or not? :idea:

I love how people hate it when other people use the "injuries" excuse, untill they have to use it themselfves.

I assume you're on my side of this injury argument right?

[Boston]

Simply put: when Florida plays like they did yesterday, nobody in the country is capable of beating them. The thing with Florida is, they're not a deep team, and they need all their players healthy to be a dominant team, but boy, when they're healthy, it's a joy to watch. All of Florida's losses last year, and their two losses this season, have come when they've had players out. If anyone goes down, they're more than beatable, but when they have all their bodies in the lineup, they are a dominant team.

You can see Oden is going to be a special player, he's unbelievable defensively, but he does have his flaws. One main one being that he gets pushed around in the post by experienced and intelligent post players. Horford and Richard continually pushed him out of the paint yesterday and grabbed rebounds over him. He'll learn with time, and if he stays around another year, Ohio State becomes my favorite to win the title in '08.

Hmmm coincidence or not? :idea:

I love how people hate it when other people use the "injuries" excuse, untill they have to use it themselfves.

I assume you're on my side of this injury argument right?

In most aspects, yes.

[sweetness34]

Simply put: when Florida plays like they did yesterday, nobody in the country is capable of beating them. The thing with Florida is, they're not a deep team, and they need all their players healthy to be a dominant team, but boy, when they're healthy, it's a joy to watch. All of Florida's losses last year, and their two losses this season, have come when they've had players out. If anyone goes down, they're more than beatable, but when they have all their bodies in the lineup, they are a dominant team.

You can see Oden is going to be a special player, he's unbelievable defensively, but he does have his flaws. One main one being that he gets pushed around in the post by experienced and intelligent post players. Horford and Richard continually pushed him out of the paint yesterday and grabbed rebounds over him. He'll learn with time, and if he stays around another year, Ohio State becomes my favorite to win the title in '08.

Hmmm coincidence or not? :idea:

I love how people hate it when other people use the "injuries" excuse, untill they have to use it themselfves.

I assume you're on my side of this injury argument right?

In most aspects, yes.

Thank you! :D

Keep in mind, I'm not saying we'd be undefeated with all of our players, but not having them has hurt us. We lacked depth against Arizona and Maryland, which hurt.

Injuries are no key to getting a victory, but having them helps your chances. And it's not like we were blown out in those losses. The Maryland game was tight up until the final whistle and we were beating Arizona by double digits until we kinda stepped off the gas and got in foul trouble.

I am not calling Illinois a top 15 team. But I am calling them a good team that would beat Duke in a matchup, and Michigan. And also I'd like to see Duke go 12-2 if they lose 6 players with injury and suspension. What Weber has been able to do with this team is remarkable to say the least.

[danman253]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

[Boston]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.

[sik wit it]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

[Boston]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

[sweetness34]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

I'm done with this argument. Duke is the most overrated team in the nation right now, and I'm sticking to it.

I've made my case for why we're a better team than them and no one can dispute me on the matchup. The only thing I've heard from tt and jags on the Illini is that they suck and Duke is god.

I'm through arguing this because they can't step up and break down the matchup. Nor can they say anything about Duke besides their record. At least you could break down Michigan, JBond could break down Ohio State, and cards could break down IU. But besides yoda, tt and Jags have done nothing but talk about their record, which I could care less about. And oh yay, you beat two highly overrated teams that were once ranked, congrats. You also got spanked by an inconsistent Marquette team on a neutral floor, fully healthy.

I don't give a rats ass about your record. You have one less loss than we do. I care about you being able to argue the other side, which you've yet to prove to me you can do. I've made a matchup post, twice, and no one has disputed it. I've brought out stats and how they lost more than we did, yet we fell 20 more spots in the rankings and they stayed top 15 and they can't dispute that.

So until you can come in hear and argue civaly that...

A) Duke is a top 10 team, hell that Duke is a top 15 team

B) Illinois sucks

C) Duke is a better team matchup wise

D) You'd be at your record without the likes of Paulus, McRoberts, Scheyer, and Nelson for a better part of the season

I'm not going to talk about it anymore. It's like talking to a monkey with you guys. I ask you to argue with me (not on records) on matchups, and you can't. I ask you to prove to me that the only reason Duke was ranked in the top 15 this year was because of their ranking, and you can't counter it, or you've yet to counter it.

I've asked you how a top 6 team can only beat Holy Cross and Kent State at home barely and you can't. I ask you how you can barely beat Gonzaga, who played their worse game of the year and you played your best and you can't.

Until you can argue the other side here I'm just going to stop on this, beause it's like talking to a wall. Oh and another thing, Florida lost twice this year "because of injuries." So how isn't Illinois having 3 times as many injuries a valid argument here, yet we're 12-2, with the same number of losses?

Here's my other argument on why Illinois is not as good as I think are. We don't have a go to guy, we dont' score a lot of points, we have trouble with dribble penetration at times on defense, we're inexperienced, we fall in love with the 3, we forget to go down low, and we committ bad turnovers.

Regardless though, if we play like we're capable of, we're a damn good team. You may not think it but I do, and that's all I care about. Battle 6 injuries throughout the season and then come back to me on how the hell we're 12-2.

sweetness out.... :lol:

[sweetness34]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

And I won't argue that. They're clearly better on paper than us, but keep in mind we do play them at home. 8) :D

And sik wit it with another intelligent post on the Illini, "they suck." It's pretty much laughable right now.

[Boston]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

And I won't argue that. They're clearly better on paper than us, but keep in mind we do play them at home. 8) :D

And sik wit it with another intelligent post on the Illini, "they suck." It's pretty much laughable right now.

Wisconsin beat a number two team. I don't see how they couldn't beat Illinois. :lol: :wink:

[sweetness34]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

And I won't argue that. They're clearly better on paper than us, but keep in mind we do play them at home. 8) :D

And sik wit it with another intelligent post on the Illini, "they suck." It's pretty much laughable right now.

Wisconsin beat a number two team. I don't see how they couldn't beat Illinois. :lol: :wink:

They beat them at home keep in mind. It' won be easy for Wisky, I can tell you that right now. Plus Wisky struggles at the Hall, the hardest place to play in the nation, well ok one of the hardest places to play.

The Hall is gonna be rockin baby. We'll hold Tucker to 12 points and Taylor to 10. Unfortuantely though Butch is going to go off for 35. :wink:

[Boston]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

And I won't argue that. They're clearly better on paper than us, but keep in mind we do play them at home. 8) :D

And sik wit it with another intelligent post on the Illini, "they suck." It's pretty much laughable right now.

Wisconsin beat a number two team. I don't see how they couldn't beat Illinois. :lol: :wink:

They beat them at home keep in mind. It' won be easy for Wisky, I can tell you that right now. Plus Wisky struggles at the Hall, the hardest place to play in the nation, well ok one of the hardest places to play.

The Hall is gonna be rockin baby. We'll hold Tucker to 12 points and Taylor to 10. Unfortuantely though Butch is going to go off for 35. :wink:

I know. I was being sarcastic. Somebody needs to designate a smiley for that. January's going to be a big month for the Badgers.

[sik wit it]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

And I won't argue that. They're clearly better on paper than us, but keep in mind we do play them at home. 8) :D

And sik wit it with another intelligent post on the Illini, "they suck." It's pretty much laughable right now.
another, if i recall correctly that is the first time i've said it. Its still the truth though. Stop livin the dream that dee luther or james will save you.

[TitleTown088]

Sweetness please tell me something that is supposed to impress me about Illinopis at this point, because i don't see it...

Also you obviusly did not watch the game Michigan was in it until about 12 minutes left in the game. no kidding. illinios is a joke.

*sweetness puts gun to head, and pulls trigger*

Argue this. Please, because you've yet to argue it without saying we suck. Break down our team or your opinion holds no water to me.

You too danman, and jags.

as your opinion holds no water to me" whatever the hell that means.....

I just want you to answear one question for me sweetness and if you can give me a viable answear i'll shut up about it. How exactly do you proclaim a team with a Worse record and no top 25 victories is better than a team with 2 top 25 victories and one loss to a top 25? Andnone of this " on paper were better" or " we have injuries" BS. Guess what? basketball isn't played on paper, and also if you have injured players they don't play either so you can't factor them into the argument either because were talking about RIGHT NOW who is better, not when your players come back . what illinios wins are supposed to support your agrument for a top 25 ranking Belmont? Jackson State? georgia southern? Idaho State? I mean what a joke dude ,you had to chances to prove your top 25 by beating maryland or arizona. You have failed to beat any team to mention yet. For some one to think anyone with this record should be top 25 is pure stupidity. Agian duke has beaten georgetown and gonzaga, who are ten times better than any opponent you have beaten. Even indiana and Airforce are better than any team illinios has beaten IMO. That makes 4 wins that are more solid than any you have... so yeah.. illinios is better as of right now alright. Why don't you just go ahead and say the Panthers are better than the Saints just because they looks better on paper while your at it. And to answear your question about paulus, yeah he is overratedbut it's not like hes terrible. the rest of the team is still solid, mccroberts is a little overrated IMO too, but he still a very very solid player. He dosen't score 25 points a game usually , but he can pass very well, and he is a monster on the boards. Also, he can throw down some points when he needs it. Anyways, i just think your whole argument is very very weak.

[sik wit it]

Sweetness you overrate Illinois way to much. They would not beat Duke, and Michigan-Illinois would be a good matchup.
And Keep in mind i think DUke is very overrated.

As do you with Michigan.
how bout both teams won't finish in the top 2 of the big ten so it doesn't matter, they both suck

This is for numero 3. Of couse Wisky and OSU are better.

And I won't argue that. They're clearly better on paper than us, but keep in mind we do play them at home. 8) :D

And sik wit it with another intelligent post on the Illini, "they suck." It's pretty much laughable right now.

Wisconsin beat a number two team. I don't see how they couldn't beat Illinois. :lol: :wink:

They beat them at home keep in mind. It' won be easy for Wisky, I can tell you that right now. Plus Wisky struggles at the Hall, the hardest place to play in the nation, well ok one of the hardest places to play.

The Hall is gonna be rockin baby. We'll hold Tucker to 12 points and Taylor to 10. Unfortuantely though Butch is going to go off for 35. :wink:
butch has been playing out of his mind lately, i dont see it staying it this way unless something clicked. Badge attack got 5+ that could lead in scoring every night.

[TitleTown088]

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

If you think Duke is a legit top 5 team, you're crazy.

[Boston]

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

If you think Duke is a legit top 5 team, you're crazy.

I can't wait untill Duke plays a ledgit team.

[GB12]

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

If you think Duke is a legit top 5 team, you're crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2708150

I agree with you but the poll doesn't.

[TitleTown088]

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

If you think Duke is a legit top 5 team, you're crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2708150

I agree with you but the poll doesn't.
oh but cardsalltheway knows way more than k any colledge basketball expert, didn't you know?

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

If you think Duke is a legit top 5 team, you're crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2708150

I agree with you but the poll doesn't.
oh but cardsalltheway knows way more than k any colledge basketball expert, didn't you know?

Not every coach has seen Duke play that much this year. They probably just see the record and the Duke name and think they're a great team, when really they're not.

[thetedginnshow]

Or maybe it's because nobody really cares about the rankings right now, and putting anyone in the top 5 right now means little with conference play having not even started yet, which is when we'll see who the real top teams in the nation are.

[RyanLeaf#1]

Since Bill Walker has joined Kansas State they are 4-0. Now 10-3 overall and they are coming off two big wins. One over USC and another one over New Mexico in the Las Vegas holiday classic. Huggins is doing an excellent job in his first year. My other team Cincinnati is 8-3 they are also coming off a win against NC State. Not to bad for 2 teams that werent supposed to do anything this season.

[TitleTown088]

hey sweetness, your right there is no way in hell duke shouldn't be ranked #6 in the nation. However i do think that #5 is more fitting. :D :lol: :wink:

If you think Duke is a legit top 5 team, you're crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2708150

I agree with you but the poll doesn't.
oh but cardsalltheway knows way more than k any colledge basketball expert, didn't you know?

Not every coach has seen Duke play that much this year. They probably just see the record and the Duke name and think they're a great team, when really they're not.

yeah those coaches pay alot less attention to duke than you do . what do they know?:lol:

BTW they actually know what to look for when the watch a team play. They don't just decide where a team should be ranked based upon if they like them or not. I can't believe you think you know more about ranking teams than coaches and you think they only rank duke high because its duke. BTW i admit duke is overrated at Number 5 probably, but they are top 15 or so.
However, the most overrated team in the NCAA is OSU. That's right you heard it here first. 8)

No, I didn't hear it here first. People have been saying since before the season. Coaches aren't the gods you think they are and the head coaches don't even always do the rankings themselves. Yes I hate Duke, but that has no affect on how I view them as a team. I had this same exact arguement with Cleveland31 a while back. I'm not trying to act like a college basketball genius, because I'm not one. But I can guarantee you that I have watched more Duke games than Dane Fife has.

I hope Knight breaks the record tonight.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh my god Spencer Hawes just hit a 3-pointer with no time left to send it to double overtime.

[sik wit it]

I just found out some the greatest news of my entire life. I just got a ticket in the student section for the Wisconsin vs Ohio St game Jan. 9th. **** em Bucky!

TTU played like crap tonight. :cry:

[iworshipbender]

Oregon pwns, off to the first 12-0 start since the 1940s

[thetedginnshow]

Damn. Trojans pull the upset. They definitely got preferential homecourt treatment and four of our five best players got fouled out as a result, but props to them for pulling it out. Great game until the end when it became a little more apparent that USC was getting the homecourt calls, but good game nonetheless.

Oregon pwns, off to the first 12-0 start since the 1940s

Beating 1 good team.

[iworshipbender]

nebraska aint bad either. plus we have dominated the crap competition

[danman253]

ANd the heels win again. My pick for champions this year look great, UNC may finish the regular season with under 3 losses.

Michigan wins!!!!!!!!vs army

[yo123]

whats going on sweetness, your illini are losing by 12 to Xavier

[TitleTown088]

whats going on sweetness, your illini are losing by 12 to Xavier

but they are still top 25 :roll:

[snuff]

Michigan lost again.

Arizona was pretty dominate and won by 10ish.

[NYGibril28]

UConn lost to West Virginia

im not shocked...young team playing their 1st real game

look out for UConn in March, they will prolly be the hottest 5-7 team in the tourney

[TitleTown088]

that Ravio kid from gonazaga is such a d-bag

Btw Is that kemp guy from nevada related to shawn Kemp?

[yo123]

that Ravio kid from gonazaga is such a d-bag

Btw Is that kemp guy from nevada related to shawn Kemp?



No hes not related. I like Ravio a lot you would never guess hes as good as he is by looking at him. This is a great game too Fazekas knows sure knows what hes doing in the post I like him as a prospect.

[SuperMcgee]

Fazekas used to have a fro, right?

[TitleTown088]

that Ravio kid from gonazaga is such a d-bag

Btw Is that kemp guy from nevada related to shawn Kemp?



No hes not related. I like Ravio a lot you would never guess hes as good as he is by looking at him. This is a great game too Fazekas knows sure knows what hes doing in the post I like him as a prospect.
Ravio looks like he dosen't even try hard and he is always whining.

WHo WOuld You rather have right now

Greg Oden
Brandon Wright
Kevin Durant
Bill Walker
OJ Mayo (Even tho he in H.S)
Derrick Rose (same)
Eric Gordon
Chase Bundinger
Mike Beasley

Damn, I thought UAB was gonna beat Florida. I just got back from the IU so I didn't get to see it.

[thetedginnshow]

Bouldin > Raivio

I think the Pac-10 is pretty much for real from top to bottom, but I guess we'll see later on.

But tomorrow we get to see two of the best in the conference in Washington and UCLA. It's in L.A., so I don't know about our chances. If the refs don't go foul crazy, I think we might beat them. Who knows though. Hopefully it's a good game.

[cheesehead10790]

UCLA will dominate them in the second half. It may be close in the first half but our d will take over like usual and hold Wash., to under 20 pts int he 2nd half.

Prediction: UCLA 68 Washington 54

[thetedginnshow]

Honestly, I think the only thing that can hold Washington down is foul trouble. That's not to say UCLA couldn't just dominate offensively, because there's still some holes on defense, and there's the fact that Hawes can't play as hard as he'd like to defensively for fear of getting too many fouls. After the USC loss though, I think Washington will look much more impressive. I'm not expecting a victory though.

4 hours until the Big Ten season begins and Greg Oden gets to see the school he SHOULD have gone to. LET'S GO HOOSIERS!!!

[thetedginnshow]

Is that game on national TV?

[NYmoney]

4 hours until the Big Ten season begins and Greg Oden gets to see the school he SHOULD have gone to. LET'S GO HOOSIERS!!!

HOOO-HOOO-HOOO HOOSIERS!

also, we're 4 hours away from DJ White finally admitting that foot of his is still broken.

Repeat after me: **** I a Buckeye.

4 hours until the Big Ten season begins and Greg Oden gets to see the school he SHOULD have gone to. LET'S GO HOOSIERS!!!

HOOO-HOOO-HOOO HOOSIERS!

also, we're 4 hours away from DJ White finally admitting that foot of his is still broken.

Repeat after me: **** I a Buckeye.

You're an IU fan? Sweet, I thought I was the only one on here.

[SuperMcgee]

4 days until MAC conference play. I'm getting too excited!

Is that game on national TV?

Yep. ESPN at 8.

[NYmoney]

4 hours until the Big Ten season begins and Greg Oden gets to see the school he SHOULD have gone to. LET'S GO HOOSIERS!!!

HOOO-HOOO-HOOO HOOSIERS!

also, we're 4 hours away from DJ White finally admitting that foot of his is still broken.

Repeat after me: **** I a Buckeye.

You're an IU fan? Sweet, I thought I was the only one on here.

Raised in South Bend. Father is such an IU fan that the doctor told him to stop watching games due to stress. Let's get those bucs tonight!!!

[TitleTown088]

ick, duke isn't looking like #5 in this first half.

Edit, they just wanted to make things interesting.

[TitleTown088]

Demarcus Nelson is a stud, thank you for leaving Cali for some real basketball in the ACC.

[sweetness34]

ick, duke isn't looking like #5 in this first half.

Edit, they just wanted to make things interesting.

Hmmm maybe because they aren't, but what the hell do I know? :wink: :lol:

Btw, I was gone all this week because I was in Texas, I know you missed my bitching tt. Also, congrats on the drubbing of my Bears on Sunday Night, that was ugly. :lol:

[TitleTown088]

ick, duke isn't looking like #5 in this first half.

Edit, they just wanted to make things interesting.

Hmmm maybe because they aren't, but what the hell do I know? :wink: :lol:

Btw, I was gone all this week because I was in Texas, I know you missed my bitching tt. Also, congrats on the drubbing of my Bears on Sunday Night, that was ugly. :lol:The second half has been a different story.. :wink:

You see that paulus pass?? I don't like him too much yet, but damn, if he can keep that up i may warm up to him.. McCroberts also dropped a nice dime to Nelson.

BTW nice loss this week in bolth football and basketball :wink:

[sweetness34]

ick, duke isn't looking like #5 in this first half.

Edit, they just wanted to make things interesting.

Hmmm maybe because they aren't, but what the hell do I know? :wink: :lol:

Btw, I was gone all this week because I was in Texas, I know you missed my bitching tt. Also, congrats on the drubbing of my Bears on Sunday Night, that was ugly. :lol:The second half has been a different story.. :wink:

You see that paulus pass?? I don't like him too much yet, but damn, if he can keep that up i may warm up to him.. McCroberts also dropped a nice dime to Nelson.

BTW nice loss this week in bolth football and basketball :wink:

Didn't get to see the Xavier game, but from what I heard it was just one of those days. To be honest, I think our guys are gassed. We've played sooo many non conference games this season, and with injuries we need some resty resty. Not making excuses, but that is a factor.

Bout time you guys got going against a pathetic Temple team. Btw, do you guys ever play an away game in non-conference, every damn day it seems I turn on College Bball and Duke is playing at home. :lol:

[TitleTown088]

ick, duke isn't looking like #5 in this first half.

Edit, they just wanted to make things interesting.

Hmmm maybe because they aren't, but what the hell do I know? :wink: :lol:

Btw, I was gone all this week because I was in Texas, I know you missed my bitching tt. Also, congrats on the drubbing of my Bears on Sunday Night, that was ugly. :lol:The second half has been a different story.. :wink:

You see that paulus pass?? I don't like him too much yet, but damn, if he can keep that up i may warm up to him.. McCroberts also dropped a nice dime to Nelson.

BTW nice loss this week in bolth football and basketball :wink:

Didn't get to see the Xavier game, but from what I heard it was just one of those days. To be honest, I think our guys are gassed. We've played sooo many non conference games this season, and with injuries we need some resty resty. Not making excuses, but that is a factor.

Bout time you guys got going against a pathetic Temple team. Btw, do you guys ever play an away game in non-conference, every damn day it seems I turn on College Bball and Duke is playing at home. :lol:

yeah i know what you mean about playing at home, but i don' t mind it :wink: The only away games i can think of are gonzaga and St.johns i think.. besides the confrence games.

[thetedginnshow]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.

And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

[TitleTown088]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

[TitleTown088]

when did chris weber start playing for temple?

[thetedginnshow]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.

[TitleTown088]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

[sweetness34]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

Singler is not a big time recruit. A very solid player yes but not a big time athlete

[thetedginnshow]

Heck of a game. At least for this one, it seemed like the Big Ten officials were going with seniority in the paint, because Oden got abused on several occasions with no call. Still, he had four blocks and 21 points. They have a crazy hard stretch coming up though.

[dRaFtDoRk]

Go Buckeyes!!!!

We struggled there at the start of the second half but we came through. Mike Conley tore it up there for awhile. 10 assists for the game.

Good game Cardsalltheway :wink:

Good game by the Buckeyes. Mike Conley and Daquean Cook are both going to be special players. I always thought Conley was a product of Oden, but at the end of the game tonight, he showed he was for real. DJ White played like absolute crap tonight, luckily the 3's were falling for us tonight though. I'm not one to complain about officiating, but I thought it was pretty bad tonight. OSU shot three times as many free throws as we did. DJ was getting hacked down low and that last block by Oden was goaltending. Our defense, for once, is what held us back in this game. We couldn't make the key stops at the end we needed to. Again, congrats to Ohio State, we'll see what happens when you come to the Hall. :wink:

[thetedginnshow]

Huh. Must've just been bad officiating all-around, because I thought Ohio State definitely got the short end of the stick. Really, they were just much more aggressive, while Indiana was settling for jumpshots, as far as free throws go. Of course, the commentators did say they would allow a lot go in the Big Ten this year.

As for calling that block by Oden goaltending, unfortunately, I don't think that's debatable. It didn't look like it was coming down at all.

As for calling that block by Oden goaltending, unfortunately, I don't think that's debatable. It didn't look like it was coming down at all.

It was in the air for like 5 seconds before Oden went up and blocked it. It looked like goaltending to me. http://209.85.48.9/8840/126/emo/don%27t_know_y.gif

[dRaFtDoRk]

Good game by the Buckeyes. Mike Conley and Daquean Cook are both going to be special players. I always thought Conley was a product of Oden, but at the end of the game tonight, he showed he was for real. DJ White played like absolute crap tonight, luckily the 3's were falling for us tonight though. I'm not one to complain about officiating, but I thought it was pretty bad tonight. OSU shot three times as many free throws as we did. DJ was getting hacked down low and that last block by Oden was goaltending. Our defense, for once, is what held us back in this game. We couldn't make the key stops at the end we needed to. Again, congrats to Ohio State, we'll see what happens when you come to the Hall. :wink:

Oden was getting hacked all night as well

[thetedginnshow]

As for calling that block by Oden goaltending, unfortunately, I don't think that's debatable. It didn't look like it was coming down at all.

It was in the air for like 5 seconds before Oden went up and blocked it. It looked like goaltending to me. http://209.85.48.9/8840/126/emo/don%27t_know_y.gif

Well, five second in slow motion. :lol:

Not that the amount of time a ball is in the air has any bearing on if a block is goaltending or not. But you could be right about it being goaltending. I'm sure we'll see the play again on Sportscenter.

Good game by the Buckeyes. Mike Conley and Daquean Cook are both going to be special players. I always thought Conley was a product of Oden, but at the end of the game tonight, he showed he was for real. DJ White played like absolute crap tonight, luckily the 3's were falling for us tonight though. I'm not one to complain about officiating, but I thought it was pretty bad tonight. OSU shot three times as many free throws as we did. DJ was getting hacked down low and that last block by Oden was goaltending. Our defense, for once, is what held us back in this game. We couldn't make the key stops at the end we needed to. Again, congrats to Ohio State, we'll see what happens when you come to the Hall. :wink:

Oden was getting hacked all night as well

And they actually called it. You guys had 35 frickin free throws.

[dRaFtDoRk]

Good game by the Buckeyes. Mike Conley and Daquean Cook are both going to be special players. I always thought Conley was a product of Oden, but at the end of the game tonight, he showed he was for real. DJ White played like absolute crap tonight, luckily the 3's were falling for us tonight though. I'm not one to complain about officiating, but I thought it was pretty bad tonight. OSU shot three times as many free throws as we did. DJ was getting hacked down low and that last block by Oden was goaltending. Our defense, for once, is what held us back in this game. We couldn't make the key stops at the end we needed to. Again, congrats to Ohio State, we'll see what happens when you come to the Hall. :wink:

Oden was getting hacked all night as well

And they actually called it. You guys had 35 frickin free throws.

Yep and we only made 24 of them.

Still 13 more than we made. I don't want to talk about this because it sounds like I'm making excuses, when I'm really trying not to. OSU played well and deserved the win. I think we've proved that we're one of the top teams in the Big Ten however.

[yodapoop]

I bow to Coach K.......I mean I know we haven't played the best of teams. Howeva, I am suprised we gots only 1 loss. Cuz this isn't the Duke team of old.....

I bow to Coach K.......I mean I know we haven't played the best of teams. Howeva, I am suprised we gots only 1 loss. Cuz this isn't the Duke team of old.....

Good to hear a Duke fan admit that.

[TitleTown088]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

Singler is not a big time recruit. A very solid player yes but not a big time athlete

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=8&c=1&nid=1260411. The number 1 ranked SF is not a big time recruit? :roll: who cares if he's not big time athlete, he's good. big time pick up for Duke.

[TitleTown088]

I bow to Coach K.......I mean I know we haven't played the best of teams. Howeva, I am suprised we gots only 1 loss. Cuz this isn't the Duke team of old.....

well yeah, losing JJ and sheldon isn;t good for any program, but this will be a good team come tourney time when the young guys get some more expirance.

[sik wit it]

I absolutely can't stand duke. Everything about them, their fans, their coach, their players. After every old fashioned three point play the duke assistants make love to each other. Then we got Greg Paulus, the little freak who treats their teammates' leg like a 12 year old treats a jungle gym. Whats up with his stupid black wristband too? What does it stand for, nothing? It looks stupid get rid of it. Not to mention Dicky V who gives Coach K head before each game. I love it every year come tournament time, Duke finds a way to **** up.

[TitleTown088]

I absolutely can't stand duke. Everything about them, their fans, their coach, their players. After every old fashioned three point play the duke assistants make love to each other. Then we got Greg Paulus, the little freak who treats their teammates' leg like a 12 year old treats a jungle gym. Whats up with his stupid black wristband too? What does it stand for, nothing? It looks stupid get rid of it. Not to mention Dicky V who gives Coach K head before each game. I love it every year come tournament time, Duke finds a way to *********** up.

You can't stand players and coaches that play fundamentaly? You must like to NBA too huh? BTW your comment about duke always ******* it up in tourney time is sort of stupid considering duke had made it to the sweet sixteen a record number of times under coach K ,a won national titles.

I absolutely can't stand duke. Everything about them, their fans, their coach, their players. After every old fashioned three point play the duke assistants make love to each other. Then we got Greg Paulus, the little freak who treats their teammates' leg like a 12 year old treats a jungle gym. Whats up with his stupid black wristband too? What does it stand for, nothing? It looks stupid get rid of it. Not to mention Dicky V who gives Coach K head before each game. I love it every year come tournament time, Duke finds a way to *********** up.

You can't stand players and coaches that play fundamentaly? You must like to NBA too huh? BTW your comment about duke always *********** it up in tourney time is sort of stupid considering duke had made it to the sweet sixteen a record number of times under coach K ,a won national titles.

UNC fans and others in the ACC hate duke for their arrogance. the i deserve the NC every year. Another thing i can stand is Dukie V and Jay Bias (who went to duke) love them every year. Paulus has JJ reddick syndrome. holds his hand up too long after 3's, whines like a 4 year old who didnt get any candy. I hate duke.

[sik wit it]

I absolutely can't stand duke. Everything about them, their fans, their coach, their players. After every old fashioned three point play the duke assistants make love to each other. Then we got Greg Paulus, the little freak who treats their teammates' leg like a 12 year old treats a jungle gym. Whats up with his stupid black wristband too? What does it stand for, nothing? It looks stupid get rid of it. Not to mention Dicky V who gives Coach K head before each game. I love it every year come tournament time, Duke finds a way to *********** up.

You can't stand players and coaches that play fundamentaly? You must like to NBA too huh? BTW your comment about duke always *********** it up in tourney time is sort of stupid considering duke had made it to the sweet sixteen a record number of times under coach K ,a won national titles.
they make it to the sweet 16 yet they expect to make it to the NC. I hate the NBA. I just hate the duke arrogance.

[snuff]

Michigan > Illinois.

[TitleTown088]

Michigan > Illinois.

duh.

[snuff]

Michigan > Illinois.

duh.We actually beat them in basketball tonight... Its amazing. Michigan only beats up on trashy teams.

[thetedginnshow]

I will admit, even though I love Duke, a lot of our fans are complete jerks. Most hyped up program out there in college basketball without a doubt. UNC has a hell of a lot of arrogance as well (and in some ways, it's worse), but people accept it better for some reason. Kind of like Michigan opposed to Ohio State. It's cool though. I don't see the problem with a bunch of people hating on Duke.

As for whomever called that guy stupid for saying Duke always chokes, he's probably just real young, because in recent years, that's what's happened. So it's understandable.

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

Singler is not a big time recruit. A very solid player yes but not a big time athlete

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=8&c=1&nid=1260411. The number 1 ranked SF is not a big time recruit? :roll: who cares if he's not big time athlete, he's good. big time pick up for Duke.

Singler is definitely not the best SF in this class, but he is a big time recruit.

[sik wit it]

I will admit, even though I love Duke, a lot of our fans are complete jerks. Most hyped up program out there in college basketball without a doubt. UNC has a hell of a lot of arrogance as well (and in some ways, it's worse), but people accept it better for some reason. Kind of like Michigan opposed to Ohio State. It's cool though. I don't see the problem with a bunch of people hating on Duke.

As for whomever called that guy stupid for saying Duke always chokes, he's probably just real young, because in recent years, that's what's happened. So it's understandable.
i'm not real young but its not like i'm going to do a complete overview of the duke program. Their recent years fitted into what I was saying.

[sweetness34]

Michigan > Illinois.

duh.We actually beat them in basketball tonight... Its amazing. Michigan only beats up on trashy teams.

I wasn't surprised you guys won tonight at all. We usually struggle up at Ann Arbor (I think our Final 4 year we won by about 5 points, if even that).

Some of your guys had the games of their careers. I mean Dion Harris had about 12 points above his average in that game and couldn't miss. And there was some other guy who had about 10 points above his average.

Congrats on the win, but I picked this as a game we'd probably lose in the Big 10, so I'm not worried about it. We haven't peaked yet as a team, and right now we aren't playing to well. Our offense looks stagnent, Pruitt hasn't given us consistency inside, and our defense has been lazy. But I imagine that's going to change.

IMO Illinois will still finish above Michigan in the Big 10. As long as we go about .500 on the road, I'm fine because we usually dominate at the Hall.

And for your info, I am picking an upset on Saturday over the Buckeyes. :D

[TitleTown088]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

Singler is not a big time recruit. A very solid player yes but not a big time athlete

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=8&c=1&nid=1260411. The number 1 ranked SF is not a big time recruit? :roll: who cares if he's not big time athlete, he's good. big time pick up for Duke.

Singler is definitely not the best SF in this class, but he is a big time recruit.

ok, I'll take your word for it over probably the biggest scouting website in the nation. i mean you have watched 10 min of his highlight videos( If that) on youtube instead of scouting him in person at all of his games and workouts. Duke, Kansas, UNC, and UCLA recruited him very heavily for being not the #1 SF prospect.

BTW Edge as for you saying Duke is probably the most hyped program in the NCAA. The Reason duke recieves so much hype is becasue they are so solid year in and year out. No team can compare equally to the dominance Duke has had in college balencesto recently. They are a perinial top 15 team. That is why many people dislike them, because they envy them.

[sik wit it]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

Singler is not a big time recruit. A very solid player yes but not a big time athlete

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=8&c=1&nid=1260411. The number 1 ranked SF is not a big time recruit? :roll: who cares if he's not big time athlete, he's good. big time pick up for Duke.

Singler is definitely not the best SF in this class, but he is a big time recruit.

ok, I'll take your word for it over probably the biggest scouting website in the nation. i mean you have watched 10 min of his highlight videos( If that) on youtube instead of scouting him in person at all of his games and workouts. Duke, Kansas, UNC, and UCLA recruited him very heavily for being not the #1 SF prospect.

BTW Edge as for you saying Duke is probably the most hyped program in the NCAA. The Reason duke recieves so much hype is becasue they are so solid year in and year out. No team can compare equally to the dominance Duke has had in college balencesto recently. They are a perinial top 15 team. That is why many people dislike them, because they envy them.
i dont envy them whatsoever. They receive so much hype because they are getting the top players in the nation every year.

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

[sweetness34]

I love that Bluedevils defense and passing game. They might not have scoring down, but the rest of the fundamentals are just terrific.
And Oden should just never shave. Right now he could pass for 40, but if he makes that a goatee, he could get into the 50s.

You can thank coach K for that.

McCroberts is laying dimes, damn.

Well if that wasn't obvious. :lol:

But seriously, they need to start recruiting some real talent. They recruit a bunch of guys that are already known for their intelligence on the court and fundamentals, and then they happen to come into a place that teaches the fundamentals the best. Recruit some big time athletes and Coach K can lead them to championships every year.
Gerald Henderson jr., Nolan Smith, and kyle sigler will help with that..


BTW what kind of name is Daquawn?

Singler is not a big time recruit. A very solid player yes but not a big time athlete

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=8&c=1&nid=1260411. The number 1 ranked SF is not a big time recruit? :roll: who cares if he's not big time athlete, he's good. big time pick up for Duke.

Singler is definitely not the best SF in this class, but he is a big time recruit.

ok, I'll take your word for it over probably the biggest scouting website in the nation. i mean you have watched 10 min of his highlight videos( If that) on youtube instead of scouting him in person at all of his games and workouts. Duke, Kansas, UNC, and UCLA recruited him very heavily for being not the #1 SF prospect.

BTW Edge as for you saying Duke is probably the most hyped program in the NCAA. The Reason duke recieves so much hype is becasue they are so solid year in and year out. No team can compare equally to the dominance Duke has had in college balencesto recently. They are a perinial top 15 team. That is why many people dislike them, because they envy them.

Singler will be a good player, but I think he's sorely overrated as a top prospect. He's very, very slow.

I've seen a couple videos of him and while he has looked good, I'd take a handful of guys over him.

[danman253]

Sweetness,

eat me 8)

[TitleTown088]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

rivals has him ranked as the # 4 player in the country as well as scout.... both have him as the number one small forward. beasley is a PF , correct?

[sweetness34]

Sweetness,

eat me 8)

Again I predicted a loss in this game. Harris and that other dude had the games of their lives, oh well.

This does not make you a better team than us, and you should know that. Road games in the Big 10 are very hard, and we aren't playing well right now.

[danman253]

Sweetness,

eat me 8)

Again I predicted a loss in this game. Harris and that other dude had the games of their lives, oh well.

This does not make you a better team than us, and you should know that. Road games in the Big 10 are very hard, and we aren't playing well right now.
Ok we'll see.

[sweetness34]

Sweetness,

eat me 8)

Again I predicted a loss in this game. Harris and that other dude had the games of their lives, oh well.

This does not make you a better team than us, and you should know that. Road games in the Big 10 are very hard, and we aren't playing well right now.
Ok we'll see.

Dion Harris averages what 9 points a game and he put up over 20. :lol:

Talk to me at the end of the Big 10 season.

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

rivals has him ranked as the # 4 player in the country as well as scout.... both have him as the number one small forward. beasley is a PF , correct?

He plays both.

[sweetness34]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

rivals has him ranked as the # 4 player in the country as well as scout.... both have him as the number one small forward. beasley is a PF , correct?

He plays both.

Idk, I'm just not as high on Singler as some are I guess. Don't get me wrong, he's easily a top 50, probably a top 30 player, but he's not an ELITE prospect like rivals thinks he is, but that's my opinion.

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (fuckiin pick UCLS over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (fuckiin pick UCLS over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (****** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

[TitleTown088]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

rivals has him ranked as the # 4 player in the country as well as scout.... both have him as the number one small forward. beasley is a PF , correct?

He plays both.

Idk, I'm just not as high on Singler as some are I guess. Don't get me wrong, he's easily a top 50, probably a top 30 player, but he's not an ELITE prospect like rivals thinks he is, but that's my opinion.
well that's your opinion, it's wrong, but it's your opinion. :wink:

[Boston]

We all know the only game that matters through the next week is Ohio State vs. Wisconsin. :wink:

[TitleTown088]

We all know the only game that matters through the next week is Ohio State vs. Wisconsin. :wink:

wisconsin will own them.

[sik wit it]

We all know the only game that matters through the next week is Ohio State vs. Wisconsin. :wink:

wisconsin will own them.
and i get to go to the game :D :D :D

[sweetness34]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

rivals has him ranked as the # 4 player in the country as well as scout.... both have him as the number one small forward. beasley is a PF , correct?

He plays both.

Idk, I'm just not as high on Singler as some are I guess. Don't get me wrong, he's easily a top 50, probably a top 30 player, but he's not an ELITE prospect like rivals thinks he is, but that's my opinion.
well that's your opinion, it's wrong, but it's your opinion. :wink:

We'll see.

[sik wit it]

great games tonight with USC pulling the upset against Oregon and then with Iowa beating MSU.

[yo123]

Only two undefeated teams left, UCLA and Clemson. I dont think anyone expected Clemson to play like this. Are they for real? How long will UCLA stay undefeated? . I think if they look past USC with how they are playing lately they could be in for a surprise. If not that i think they'll fall to an improving Arizona team on the 20th.

[iworshipbender]

god i hate being a duck fan... at the least we will probably dump EK at seasons end

[NYmoney]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:

no question. rivals>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>scout.

[NYmoney]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (*********** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

Gordon's not in your top 5??? hahahhahaha. I think we all can discredit any comment you'll ever make again. He's a fantastic scorer that will compound his value by being able to play his natural position, SG, at IU. look at any recruiting site, and he'll be in the top 5.

[NYmoney]

I take back my prior comment. Eric Gordon, rated #2 by rivals and scout, is not a top 5 recruit. LT didn't deserve the MVP. Darryl Strawberry never did coke. Larry Coker is a fabulous coach. Greg Oden is 18 (oh wait...he really is?...nevermind). and Coach K is really not that good of a coach. Glad we got all these common misconceptions out there. Oh, one more, George Bush isn't the President of the United States of America. yup, got em all.

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (*********** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

Gordon's not in your top 5??? hahahhahaha. I think we all can discredit any comment you'll ever make again. He's a fantastic scorer that will compound his value by being able to play his natural position, SG, at IU. look at any recruiting site, and he'll be in the top 5.
Ive see all 5 personally, but not gordon, and i have played with bayless.

[NYmoney]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (*********** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

Gordon's not in your top 5??? hahahhahaha. I think we all can discredit any comment you'll ever make again. He's a fantastic scorer that will compound his value by being able to play his natural position, SG, at IU. look at any recruiting site, and he'll be in the top 5.
Ive see all 5 personally, but not gordon, and i have played with bayless.

well then i guess it's time for you to open up your recruiting shop because you are clearly seeing things that the "experts" are not.

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (*********** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

Gordon's not in your top 5??? hahahhahaha. I think we all can discredit any comment you'll ever make again. He's a fantastic scorer that will compound his value by being able to play his natural position, SG, at IU. look at any recruiting site, and he'll be in the top 5.
Ive see all 5 personally, but not gordon, and i have played with bayless.

well then i guess it's time for you to open up your recruiting shop because you are clearly seeing things that the "experts" are not.
I have seen fantastic scorers flop in the NBA. ie Tim Thomas (#1 in his class ahead of Kobe) and Dajuan Wagner

[NYmoney]

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (*********** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

Gordon's not in your top 5??? hahahhahaha. I think we all can discredit any comment you'll ever make again. He's a fantastic scorer that will compound his value by being able to play his natural position, SG, at IU. look at any recruiting site, and he'll be in the top 5.
Ive see all 5 personally, but not gordon, and i have played with bayless.

well then i guess it's time for you to open up your recruiting shop because you are clearly seeing things that the "experts" are not.
I have seen fantastic scorers flop in the NBA. ie Tim Thomas (#1 in his class ahead of Kobe) and Dajuan Wagner

we are not talking about the NBA; we're talking about college ball. and if we were talking about the nba, then i'm pretty sure nbdraft.net will support the claim that gordon is a supreme talent. he is projected to be taken #4.

Scout isn't the best scouting website, it's complete crap compared to Rivals, whose #1 prospect is Michael Beasley, Small Forward. :roll:
Beastly is top 5.

1. Mayo
2. Love (*********** pick UCLA over UNC)
3 Derrick Rose
4. Would be Bill Walker but Beastly passes him cause of the eligibilty.
2. Jerryd Bayless

Eric Gordon? :?
Not sold on him at all.

I put Love on their just so i dont get ripped cause he passed on the heels.

Gordon's not in your top 5??? hahahhahaha. I think we all can discredit any comment you'll ever make again. He's a fantastic scorer that will compound his value by being able to play his natural position, SG, at IU. look at any recruiting site, and he'll be in the top 5.
Ive see all 5 personally, but not gordon, and i have played with bayless.

well then i guess it's time for you to open up your recruiting shop because you are clearly seeing things that the "experts" are not.
I have seen fantastic scorers flop in the NBA. ie Tim Thomas (#1 in his class ahead of Kobe) and Dajuan Wagner

we are not talking about the NBA; we're talking about college ball. and if we were talking about the nba, then i'm pretty sure nbdraft.net will support the claim that gordon is a supreme talent. he is projected to be taken #4.
Wagner and Thomas were projected to take over the L.

[NYmoney]

anecdotal evidence. here's another: LBJ was expected to kick ass in the NBA...yup, that's worked out. What else? Oden was expected to be a dominant force, yup. We could go with just people from the Indy area: Josh McRoberts: expected to be great, has been. Sean May: expected to be great, has been. Greg Oden: expected to be great, has been. and finally, Gordon...I mean do you not see the trend?

[TitleTown088]

anecdotal evidence. here's another: LBJ was expected to kick ass in the NBA...yup, that's worked out. What else? Oden was expected to be a dominant force, yup. We could go with just people from the Indy area: Josh McRoberts: expected to be great, has been. Sean May: expected to be great, has been. Greg Oden: expected to be great, has been. and finally, Gordon...I mean do you not see the trend?

Mcroberts hasn't been outstanding, he's been pretty good though.

[EHobbs27]

Clemson still undefeated. :D They haven't really played anyone yet though. I like the team a lot though this year. They will be a sleeper in the ACC.

[Boston]

God. Duke is so damn overrated.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/powerRankings

Wisconsin could kick the **** out of Duke. :lol: :twisted:

[sik wit it]

God. Duke is so damn overrated.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/powerRankings

Wisconsin could kick the *********** out of Duke. :lol: :twisted:
Badgers never get the love. I've gotten used to it so it doesnt bother me. Maybe they'll get some respect after they beat OSU.

[Brodeur]

Man they screwed up the clock in the Duke/Va Tech game.

[EHobbs27]

Man Duke showing once again why they are overrated.

I love Va Tech!!!!!

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[EHobbs27]

Oregon has done it. Clemson is the only team left in College B-Ball that is undefeated.

[SuperMcgee]

Pac-10 is awesome
Washington needs to stop losing though. They finally get away from the good teams but have to play 3 in a row on the road after today before Oregon

[GB12]

Oregon has done it. Clemson is the only team left in College B-Ball that is undefeated.

:D nice, now we begin the rise of Wisconsin to #1.

[SuperMcgee]

Arkansas just trounced 'Bama

[SuperMcgee]

Oregon has done it. Clemson is the only team left in College B-Ball that is undefeated.

:D nice, now we begin the rise of Wisconsin to #1.

I enjoy Wisconsin. Tucker's the man. You better beat Ohio State

[GB12]

Oregon has done it. Clemson is the only team left in College B-Ball that is undefeated.

:D nice, now we begin the rise of Wisconsin to #1.

I enjoy Wisconsin. Tucker's the man. You better beat Ohio State

That'show we'll move up, that should put us up to at least #2.

It's a good game against Minnesota 64-36.

[Smokey Joe]

How bout Depaul. They, and Northwestern, are nice surprises this season so far.

[TitleTown088]

Man Duke showing once again why they are overrated.
when was the first time? :lol:

VT plays Duke so damn tough every year, i had a feeling they would lose to them. too bad paulus wasn't at 100%.

[NYGibril28]

UConn/LSU tonight...who ya got?

[GB12]

Man Duke showing once again why they are overrated.
when was the first time? :lol:

VT plays Duke so damn tough every year, i had a feeling they would lose to them. too bad paulus wasn't at 100%.

Marquette :wink: :)

[yodapoop]

Dear people, I told u earlier when Duke lost to Marquette that Duke will lose double digit games, so game they lose, u don't have to post how Duke sucks or Duke is overrated. Thats obvious......so shut ur pie holes.

[iworshipbender]

North Dakota State > Marquette > Duke

[TitleTown088]

Man Duke showing once again why they are overrated.
when was the first time? :lol:

VT plays Duke so damn tough every year, i had a feeling they would lose to them. too bad paulus wasn't at 100%.

Marquette :wink: :)

they were a ranked team :D :wink:

[NYGibril28]

LSU and UConn is a much better game than I anticipated. LSU rallied to end the 1st half to take the lead 30-28.

[sweetness34]

Damn, we got **** kicked by tOSU. Couldn't make a shot to save our lives. Again, it has me baffled on why the hell we're playing like this because we've got the talent and ability. 0-2 is not a good start. Oh well, still lots of games to go.

Btw how bout dem Dukies baby! :D

[yodapoop]

Dear people, I told u earlier when Duke lost to Marquette that Duke will lose double digit games, so game they lose, u don't have to post how Duke sucks or Duke is overrated. Thats obvious......so shut ur pie holes.

QFT. Next person to say anything about a Duke loss will have a bunch of hippies, Obi Wan and Annikan on their ass.

[sweetness34]

Dear people, I told u earlier when Duke lost to Marquette that Duke will lose double digit games, so game they lose, u don't have to post how Duke sucks or Duke is overrated. Thats obvious......so shut ur pie holes.

QFT. Next person to say anything about a Duke loss will have a bunch of hippies, Obi Wan and Annikan on their ass.

Duke sucks yoda!

[yodapoop]

Dear people, I told u earlier when Duke lost to Marquette that Duke will lose double digit games, so game they lose, u don't have to post how Duke sucks or Duke is overrated. Thats obvious......so shut ur pie holes.

QFT. Next person to say anything about a Duke loss will have a bunch of hippies, Obi Wan and Annikan on their ass.

Duke sucks yoda!

Yoda said he knows that, and we don't need that to be posted anymore, so attack Sweetness.

[sweetness34]

Dear people, I told u earlier when Duke lost to Marquette that Duke will lose double digit games, so game they lose, u don't have to post how Duke sucks or Duke is overrated. Thats obvious......so shut ur pie holes.

QFT. Next person to say anything about a Duke loss will have a bunch of hippies, Obi Wan and Annikan on their ass.

Duke sucks yoda!

Yoda said he knows that, and we don't need that to be posted anymore, so attack Sweetness.

:D :wink:

[yodapoop]

Dear people, I told u earlier when Duke lost to Marquette that Duke will lose double digit games, so game they lose, u don't have to post how Duke sucks or Duke is overrated. Thats obvious......so shut ur pie holes.

QFT. Next person to say anything about a Duke loss will have a bunch of hippies, Obi Wan and Annikan on their ass.

Duke sucks yoda!

Yoda said he knows that, and we don't need that to be posted anymore, so attack Sweetness.

:D :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZvYALc0Ctg&mode=related&search=

[danman253]

Illinois looked real intimidating today sweetness. Have fun in the NIT

[sweetness34]

Illinois looked real intimidating today sweetness. Have fun in the NIT

:lol:

Honestly I have no answer to why we're playing like we are. We've got the talent, I just have no clue. Looks like I was wrong, oh well. I know how good we can be, the question if is we'll ever get to that level.

This is why on paper crap means nothing. On paper we're a damn good ball club, but it comes down to execution and we are not doing that.

Also a Michigan fan trying to make fun of the NIT, now that's funny. Considering you haven't been in the big dance for how many years now? :lol:

[TitleTown088]

Illinois looked real intimidating today sweetness. Have fun in the NIT :lol: :lol:

[Nerv]

Illinois looked real intimidating today sweetness. Have fun in the NIT

:lol:

Honestly I have no answer to why we're playing like we are. We've got the talent, I just have no clue. Looks like I was wrong, oh well. I know how good we can be, the question if is we'll ever get to that level.

This is why on paper crap means nothing. On paper we're a damn good ball club, but it comes down to execution and we are not doing that.

You guys even lost to michigan.. in basketball (ouch)

[sweetness34]

Illinois looked real intimidating today sweetness. Have fun in the NIT :lol: :lol:

You have no room to comment here tt. At least we didn't lose to an unranked Va Tech team at home.

And Nerv, we always play like **** up at Ann Arbor, I actually picked us to lose that game. Still a long ways to go.

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title.

[Vikes99ej]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title. Watch for OSU to squash that run like a bug. Don't forget about Wisky either.

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title. Watch for OSU to squash that run like a bug. Don't forget about Wisky either.

We already lost to OSU on the road by 5, but nice try.

[Vikes99ej]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title. Watch for OSU to squash that run like a bug. Don't forget about Wisky either.

We already lost to OSU on the road by 5, but nice try. OSU had the conference clinched on signing day. But hey, The Hoosiers are pretty good anyways.

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title. Watch for OSU to squash that run like a bug. Don't forget about Wisky either.

We already lost to OSU on the road by 5, but nice try. OSU had the conference clinched on signing day. But hey, The Hoosiers are pretty good anyways.

I definitely wouldn't say they have it clinched. I think the Badgers will win it.

[Vikes99ej]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title. Watch for OSU to squash that run like a bug. Don't forget about Wisky either.

We already lost to OSU on the road by 5, but nice try. OSU had the conference clinched on signing day. But hey, The Hoosiers are pretty good anyways.

I definitely wouldn't say they have it clinched. I think the Badgers will win it. It'll be one of those two.

[GB12]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title. Watch for OSU to squash that run like a bug. Don't forget about Wisky either.

We already lost to OSU on the road by 5, but nice try. OSU had the conference clinched on signing day. But hey, The Hoosiers are pretty good anyways.

I definitely wouldn't say they have it clinched. I think the Badgers will win it. It'll be one of those two.

I think it's pretty even right now. Luckly we get to see on tuesday :). And if you truely think Indiana has a shot, go jump off a cliff.

[sweetness34]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title.

:lol:

Ok cards, 2 weeks ago you said they sucked ass. Sorry my friend but ain't gonna happen.

[sik wit it]

who do you guys like for player of the year so far? Even though it may seem homerish, I think Tucker is killin it right now.

[GB12]

Damn it. 2 straight loses for Marquette.

[SuperMcgee]

Ugghh why can't we close out games :x :(

Dude puts up 43 on us including the 3-point winner. Outshined Eric Moore's 35. A decent performance by Idbihi can normally give us a win but he had some turnover trouble today. This blows. And I don't care if nobody else has any idea what I'm talking about

[yo123]

Ugghh why can't we close out games :x :(

Dude puts up 43 on us including the 3-point winner. Outshined Eric Moore's 35. A decent performance by Idbihi can normally give us a win but he had some turnover trouble today. This blows. And I don't care if nobody else has any idea what I'm talking about



Buffalo?

[SuperMcgee]

Ugghh why can't we close out games :x :(

Dude puts up 43 on us including the 3-point winner. Outshined Eric Moore's 35. A decent performance by Idbihi can normally give us a win but he had some turnover trouble today. This blows. And I don't care if nobody else has any idea what I'm talking about



Buffalo?

yeah, I just mean the players and the fact that noone else cares

[NYmoney]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title.

I am a HUUUUGE Hoosiers fan, but I think White is a shell of himself. Never has really recovered from his foot injuries. He doesn't have the mobility he once did, and his touch just isn't there. He better learn to speak his soon to be native language: Italian. Enjoy the beauties over there DJ

[NYmoney]

Damn DJ White is good. The Hoosiers completely manhandled the Spartans. Watch out for them to make a run at that Big Ten title.

The one thing we do have going for us is our schedule. only face OSU once, and we get at Northwestern and PSU I believe. We could end up surprising people. On a side note: i've officially started the "I hate Lance Stemler" club. He's the worst ever. Beautfiul stroke and horrible results. I hope he goes back to playing in front of 33 fans in juco.

[eazyb81]

Bill Walker: ACL tear, out for year.



:lol:

Bill Walker: ACL tear, out for year.



:lol:
Seriously!!
SLAM Curse!!!
Melo gets suspended and Walker is out for year.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I love Bill Walker he'll probably declare anyways.

[eazyb81]

I love Bill Walker he'll probably declare anyways.

He can't declare until after next season. Technically, this is still considered his senior year of HS, since he graduated early to play for KSU.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I beg to differ, also we all know he wants to be out of the shadow of Mayo so he will be in the NBA a year before him to help step out of his shadow.
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/9548336
"Which says that a high school senior can enter the draft if it has been a year since his original high school class graduated. The Ohio governing body is essentially stating that Walker's original high school class is the one that graduated in June 2006.

The second half of the NBA's draft requirement for Walker is crystal clear. The NBA cannot draft a player who isn't yet 19. Walker will be 19 -- and some media reports say he will be 20 -- in June 2007.

If he chooses to enter the 2007 draft, Walker would become the first high school senior to be picked since the NBA changed its draft rules after the 2005 draft. No high school seniors entered the draft this year."

He has to stay his sophmore year at K State, he said so in the recent ish of SLAM.

[eazyb81]

I beg to differ, also we all know he wants to be out of the shadow of Mayo so he will be in the NBA a year before him to help step out of his shadow.
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/9548336
"Which says that a high school senior can enter the draft if it has been a year since his original high school class graduated. The Ohio governing body is essentially stating that Walker's original high school class is the one that graduated in June 2006.

The second half of the NBA's draft requirement for Walker is crystal clear. The NBA cannot draft a player who isn't yet 19. Walker will be 19 -- and some media reports say he will be 20 -- in June 2007.

If he chooses to enter the 2007 draft, Walker would become the first high school senior to be picked since the NBA changed its draft rules after the 2005 draft. No high school seniors entered the draft this year."

That's great, but I live in KC and it has always been understood that Walker can't declare for the draft until after the 07-08 season. Walker admits it, Huggy admits it, and the press admits it.

[sweetness34]

Well I'm not the only one who thinks Illinois is a good club. Jay Bilas (my favorite analyst) says we have the ability to take the Big 10, haha I know we won't but that was encouraging.

I still think we'll get into the tourney, probably as a #8 or #9 seed, but things have to change. We just aren't playing well as a team right now. We look flat and stagnent on both ends of the floor.

We are getting great looks a lot but we can't shoot for poop for some reason. And we're relying on the 3 waaaay to much.

We are getting great looks a lot but we can't shoot for poop for some reason. And we're relying on the 3 waaaay to much.

Sounds a lot like IU. Except we've been hitting of late.

[NYmoney]

We are getting great looks a lot but we can't shoot for poop for some reason. And we're relying on the 3 waaaay to much.

Sounds a lot like IU. Except we've been hitting of late.


sounds like Lance Stemler. shoot the three...and be surprised when it hits.

We are getting great looks a lot but we can't shoot for poop for some reason. And we're relying on the 3 waaaay to much.

Sounds a lot like IU. Except we've been hitting of late.


sounds like Lance Stemler. shoot the three...and be surprised when it hits.

When Stemler is off, we shouldn't play him at all. He gives us nothing on defense because of his size, and all he does is jack up threes.

Do you know what the hell Allen did to piss off Sampson? He hadn't been playing well offensively, but his defense was good and he gave us size. For some reason he hasn't played much recently.

[NYmoney]

We are getting great looks a lot but we can't shoot for poop for some reason. And we're relying on the 3 waaaay to much.

Sounds a lot like IU. Except we've been hitting of late.


sounds like Lance Stemler. shoot the three...and be surprised when it hits.

When Stemler is off, we shouldn't play him at all. He gives us nothing on defense because of his size, and all he does is jack up threes.

Do you know what the hell Allen did to piss off Sampson? He hadn't been playing well offensively, but his defense was good and he gave us size. For some reason he hasn't played much recently.

Allen doesn't play because of his lack of effort in practice. also, sampson thinks that mike white is a better player in the B10. i can see that, but it will take some time for him to develop. Personally, i think our worst 3 players are 1.) Lance Stemler 2.) Ben Allen 3.) AJ Ratliff.

[GB12]

Big game tonight. hopefully 2 big OSU loses in 2 days.

[sweetness34]

Big game tonight. hopefully 2 big OSU loses in 2 days.

Wisky by 8. :D

It's at the Kohl Center right? I don't see Wisconsin losing there.

[NickBam]

I beg to differ, also we all know he wants to be out of the shadow of Mayo so he will be in the NBA a year before him to help step out of his shadow.
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/9548336
"Which says that a high school senior can enter the draft if it has been a year since his original high school class graduated. The Ohio governing body is essentially stating that Walker's original high school class is the one that graduated in June 2006.

The second half of the NBA's draft requirement for Walker is crystal clear. The NBA cannot draft a player who isn't yet 19. Walker will be 19 -- and some media reports say he will be 20 -- in June 2007.

If he chooses to enter the 2007 draft, Walker would become the first high school senior to be picked since the NBA changed its draft rules after the 2005 draft. No high school seniors entered the draft this year."

That's great, but I live in KC and it has always been understood that Walker can't declare for the draft until after the 07-08 season. Walker admits it, Huggy admits it, and the press admits it.

Walker tore his ACL which will hurt his stock. I see him staying another year since it will take 6-8 months to heel.

[GB12]

It's at the Kohl Center right? I don't see Wisconsin losing there.

Only team to beat Bo there was Illinois.

[NickBam]

LET'S GO BUCKEYES

[TitleTown088]

just for the record, I stated ohio state is not what everyone says they are before this game.

[sweetness34]

just for the record, I stated ohio state is not what everyone says they are before this game.

Wisky will win the Big 10. Ohio State has been a tad inconsistent this season, I think a lot to do with their inexperience.

Despite the scoreline when they played my Illini, I really wasn't floored by them. I give them props for the win but we played like absolute **** and they only have a 10 point lead on us throughout the game. I mean, when I say we played like ****, I mean stinky/smelly/nasty dog ****, probably one of the worst games I've seen my guys play in a long, long time.

Wisky's performance against Pitt was flat out amazing.

[NickBam]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

[GB12]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

You up for a little bet?

[NickBam]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

You up for a little bet?

Possibly. Details?

[GB12]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

You up for a little bet?

Possibly. Details?

Just an avy bet. Winner chooses the losers avatar, can be anything but has to be related to one of the teams.

[NickBam]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

You up for a little bet?

Possibly. Details?

Just an avy bet. Winner chooses the losers avatar, can be anything but has to be related to one of the teams.

Deal, how long does the avy stay up?

[GB12]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

You up for a little bet?

Possibly. Details?

Just an avy bet. Winner chooses the losers avatar, can be anything but has to be related to one of the teams.

Deal, how long does the avy stay up?

How long will the loser(you) keep it? next time we play?

[NickBam]

8 1/2 minutes without a FG and down 6? I'll take it.

And theres a 3...

You up for a little bet?

Possibly. Details?

Just an avy bet. Winner chooses the losers avatar, can be anything but has to be related to one of the teams.

Deal, how long does the avy stay up?

How long will the loser(you) keep it? next time we play?

Feb? I'd love to see you have a nice Ohio State avy until then. Maybe even Part II of the bet when the game in Columbus happens.