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JMiah
05-14-2007, 01:57 PM
Would you rather...

Your favorite team go bust and get the #1 pick or go 8-8 and miss the playoffs?

fenikz
05-14-2007, 01:58 PM
8-8

******** question

Acreboy
05-14-2007, 02:02 PM
8-8

Only because the Saints have done it for years. They were always on the verge but never there.

If you go 8-8 you're almost there.

aNYtitan
05-14-2007, 02:08 PM
Hmmm....the Titans can go either way. If Young stays healthy for the entire season, I would take the 8-8 season. If he gets hurt due to the Madden curse, I could see a top 5 pick coming up

Moses
05-14-2007, 02:10 PM
Never cheer for your team to lose.

PalmerToCJ
05-14-2007, 02:12 PM
Depends on expectations.

If your team is terrible on paper going into the season then 8-8 and missing the playoffs is awesome (see Bengals in '03).

If your team is good and only manages 8-8 and misses the postseason then I'd rather them take more losses for a better pick (see Bengals '06).

schmiddog
05-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Never cheer for your team to lose.

Touche.

VY's success and the ensuing Titans resurgence that brought them to the brink of a post season birth was something very, very special for that franchise and city.

Gotitansfreak10
05-14-2007, 02:22 PM
1st pick, n e thing short of playoffs is a waste of the season. titans started 0-5, we gotta got calvin johnson, but instead showed what we can do and went 8-8 and all we have to show for it is another weak paper team and the #19 pick.

Acreboy
05-14-2007, 02:28 PM
1st pick, n e thing short of playoffs is a waste of the season. titans started 0-5, we gotta got calvin johnson, but instead showed what we can do and went 8-8 and all we have to show for it is another weak paper team and the #19 pick.So building chemistry towards the end of the season to carry into next year is a waste of a season?

SeanTaylorRIP
05-14-2007, 02:28 PM
1st pick, n e thing short of playoffs is a waste of the season. titans started 0-5, we gotta got calvin johnson, but instead showed what we can do and went 8-8 and all we have to show for it is another weak paper team and the #19 pick.

It's a waste that they have so much team confidence, players are better, and now VY has answered many questions. How can you call it a waste. If they went 2-14 everyone would be calling Vince a waste and the team would have no confidence. You never want to be the worst team, ever.

TheChampIsHere
05-14-2007, 02:46 PM
an 8-8 season, no question.

Javes
05-14-2007, 03:22 PM
you play to win the game

Bengals1690
05-14-2007, 03:25 PM
you play to win the game

you dont play ityou dont play it to just play it.


8-8. an win is a good win.

Phrost
05-14-2007, 03:36 PM
Hmm, Depends what you need. If you have a young Franchise QB a la Carson Palmer or Quinn, 8-8 never fails.

Xonraider
05-14-2007, 03:45 PM
Who said you cant get good/great players with a mid-round pick anyways?

Achilles33
05-14-2007, 03:45 PM
THis is actually a good topic. I think I would take 8-8, but it is close IMO.

tylerb929
05-14-2007, 03:53 PM
8-8, a top pick isn't worth the money the player will get let alone the humility and shame of being a sucky team.

If you miss pick in the top 5 you can be screwed for years to come.

jackalope
05-14-2007, 04:00 PM
Definitely 8-8.

Severe Punishment
05-14-2007, 04:04 PM
I think I'd rather have my team put into place a top tier scouting staff
than have a year of 8-8 football.

gbpackers0065
05-14-2007, 04:10 PM
If you look at it from the packers standpoint this year it can go either way, we were 4-8 heading into our last 4 games. WE played incredible in all of those games and were able to pull out a respectable season and a possible reason for Favre staying, but we still didn't adress the RB position they way we would like too. If we had tanked the last four games it would have a been a second season in a row with no hope, no momentum going into next season , Favre possibly retiring, but we would have got AD. So it's very debatable on both ends but I'll still go 8-8.

Michigan
05-14-2007, 04:49 PM
double post

Michigan
05-14-2007, 04:50 PM
as a lions fan, i can testify that being at the top of the draft is worthless compared to being in playoff contention

GSOT
05-14-2007, 05:30 PM
8-8 no question....You draft players to win games, you don't lose games to draft players.

kalbears13
05-14-2007, 05:43 PM
8-8, The Browns don't have their #1 pick next year. I want Brady Quinn to look good.

Flyboy
05-14-2007, 05:44 PM
If you KNOW that your season is doomed (such as the Saints being displaced), then after a point you're like, "Oh Jesus, let's just get a high draft pick." At least I was after that long season.

Go_Eagles77
05-14-2007, 06:09 PM
8-8 for me.

Matthew Jones
05-14-2007, 06:31 PM
Definitely 8-8.

Bizwah
05-14-2007, 06:32 PM
I honestly can't believe that this question even comes up...but every year...

Attitude is everything in football.

Losing begets losing.

I would rather see my team go 8-8 than have the number one pick.

OhioState
05-14-2007, 06:39 PM
it might depend on the draft class but for themost part i have to go wiht 8-8

sweetness34
05-14-2007, 07:27 PM
If you KNOW that your season is doomed (such as the Saints being displaced), then after a point you're like, "Oh Jesus, let's just get a high draft pick." At least I was after that long season.

I never was like that with the Bears. No matter what, I never root for my team to lose, NEVER. The best QB prospect in NFL history could be there if we tank the season and I'd still root for my team to win.

Caddy
05-14-2007, 08:22 PM
What is the point in supporting a team if you want them to lose?

-black
05-14-2007, 08:39 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/edwards_herman0108.jpg

"you play to win the game"

OzTitan
05-14-2007, 08:49 PM
8-8, draft order is irrelevant, great players can be had anywhere. Picking early is not worth losing over.

Jimmy
05-14-2007, 08:52 PM
go 8-8
then proceed to add some nice players in the off-season, and try your hardest to win the superbowl
this is football
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/edwards_herman0108.jpg

Chris30277
05-14-2007, 11:26 PM
Hmmm....the Titans can go either way. If Young stays healthy for the entire season, I would take the 8-8 season. If he gets hurt due to the Madden curse, I could see a top 5 pick coming up

Young and McFadden in the same backfield....

could be scary.

HoopsDemon12
05-14-2007, 11:52 PM
Never cheer for your team to lose.

And the truth is spoken....

nobodyinparticular
05-15-2007, 12:12 AM
Losing breeds losing. I'll take 8-8.

XxXdragonXxX
05-15-2007, 12:37 AM
I'd rather enjoy 8 weeks of the season than get a higher pick that might or might not pan out.

757Dawg
05-15-2007, 01:04 AM
You play to win the game.

That's really all there is to it.

If you're in the business of tanking games, get the hell out of the league.

fenikz
05-15-2007, 02:43 AM
just wondering did you try to neg rep everyone who said they wanted to win or just me?

btw your rep doesnt count

Paranoidmoonduck
05-15-2007, 02:48 AM
Having a top 5 draft pick means two things. First off, your team is sucky and is likely a good ways away from being a playoff contender (not always the case, but typically it is). Secondly, it means you are about to drop pro bowl money on an unproven player who success or failure will define your team for at least the next 3 to 4 years.

8-8 every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

The Unseen
05-15-2007, 06:53 AM
8-8. Winning is everything. Besides, who says that #1 picks are proven?

Dagagad
05-15-2007, 02:42 PM
8-8 is much better. You don't get saddled with a high risk(salary cap wise) pick at the top of the draft that is near impossible to trade out of. 8-8 also shows you are doing something right and you get to pick in the middle of the first, which is great value wise.

High Roller
05-15-2007, 02:59 PM
8-8...not a chance

JPF
05-15-2007, 04:50 PM
Not even close. 8-8.

Psycho
05-15-2007, 05:53 PM
I wish Herm Edwards was here to slap the people who think getting the first pick is better upside the head...

Of course its 8-8. Heck, I'd rather go 1-15 and get the 15th pick than go 0-16 and get the 1st pick.

Hail Browns
05-15-2007, 09:20 PM
I'll take 8-8. Always being up at the top of the draft has told me that losing to get better picks is a terrible idea.

getwellchad
05-15-2007, 10:39 PM
you play to win the game
Nevermind, guess I was late on the Herm Edwards thing.

aNYtitan
05-15-2007, 11:33 PM
Young and McFadden in the same backfield....

could be scary.Why would we take another RB when we have taken two RB's in the second round the past two seasons? Its not that it wouldn't be a good idea to have McFadden in our backfield, but its just not a necessity

BPhilb
05-16-2007, 12:14 AM
Having a top 5 draft pick means two things. First off, your team is sucky and is likely a good ways away from being a playoff contender (not always the case, but typically it is). Secondly, it means you are about to drop pro bowl money on an unproven player who success or failure will define your team for at least the next 3 to 4 years.

8-8 every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Exactly what I was going to say. If you bust in the top 5 it can set your franchise back years because of the cap implications. There are few players that come along at the top of the draft that can instantly turn a franchise around.

aNYtitan
05-16-2007, 10:43 AM
Exactly what I was going to say. If you bust in the top 5 it can set your franchise back years because of the cap implications. There are few players that come along at the top of the draft that can instantly turn a franchise around.

ie. Look at Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Gerald Warren, Lavarr Arrington, etc. etc. etc.

when you hit, look at Mike Vick, LaDanian Tomlinson, Julius Peppers, Peyton Manning, etc. etc. etc.

NIN1984
05-16-2007, 10:57 AM
its easy, 8-8 is way better than having the first pick in the draft

supermario86
05-16-2007, 12:18 PM
1 pick cuz if i know my team can get 8-8 imagine what they can do with the no.1 pick.

Addict
05-16-2007, 12:52 PM
ie. Look at Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Gerald Warren, Lavarr Arrington, etc. etc. etc.

when you hit, look at Mike Vick, LaDanian Tomlinson, Julius Peppers, Peyton Manning, etc. etc. etc.

You can't honestly put Vick between guys like Peppers, Tomlinson and Manning. Seriously... What has he done for the Falcons (on the field) so far? He's no bust, don't get me wrong but you can not put him between those guys who are the best at their positon. Vick's not even a top five quarterback.

LionSmack
05-16-2007, 01:26 PM
Did anyone NOT vote 8-8? It's a no-brainer

8-8 means your team is probably a couple of pieces away from being good and has a shot at competing the following year. 2-14 means your team has more holes than you can possibly fill even in a whole off-season of FA and draft moves.

Addict
05-16-2007, 01:32 PM
Did anyone NOT vote 8-8? It's a no-brainer

8-8 means your team is probably a couple of pieces away from being good and has a shot at competing the following year. 2-14 means your team has more holes than you can possibly fill even in a whole off-season of FA and draft moves.

Only fans of franchises that have bad records on a regular basis realize how good 8-8 actually is.

Craigo
05-16-2007, 09:04 PM
Anyone who says its even close as to which is the better situation is flat out not a real fan.

America
05-16-2007, 09:06 PM
Never cheer for your team to lose.

Exactly. Losing games sucks so badly. It's not worth it to get a top prospect, I don't care who it is. Plus you can always get great players in the mid 1st round.

aNYtitan
05-16-2007, 09:21 PM
You can't honestly put Vick between guys like Peppers, Tomlinson and Manning. Seriously... What has he done for the Falcons (on the field) so far? He's no bust, don't get me wrong but you can not put him between those guys who are the best at their positon. Vick's not even a top five quarterback.
Ok, granted he has not brought them the winning ways everyone thought he would, however he basically recessitated a dying organization and brought football back to Atlanta, not to mention made the NFL more money then any player in the game

thebow305
05-17-2007, 12:10 PM
It's really hard to say, during the season I would probably say 8-8 because even though the draft pick sounds great, I can't root for my team to lose. I'll take a win any day of the week, I just love seeing the 'Phins win games.

After the season when we get around the 11-17 range though and have nothing to show for it, I find myself wishing we wouldn't have won our way out of the good draft picks. :/

thebow305
05-17-2007, 12:12 PM
Exactly. Losing games sucks so badly. It's not worth it to get a top prospect, I don't care who it is. Plus you can always get great players in the mid 1st round.

Couldn't agree more!

Thrawn
05-20-2007, 08:21 PM
No question I'd take 8-8 every time. If you bust on a #1 pick, it costs you a fortune. I'd personally rather stay out of the top 10 always, just in order to keep the cap in good shape.

jayceheathman
05-21-2007, 03:31 AM
#1 pick. I'm used to the Texans losing by now. A couple extra losses means nothing to me anymore. Makes the draft more exciting too.

Iamcanadian
05-21-2007, 09:07 AM
The philosophy is simple, if your not prepared to finish last, your never going to get the impact players to finish 1st. Many teams stay in the middle of the pack year after year because their GM is scared to lose his job by risking finishing last. Most fans cannot stomack finishing last and demand scalpes.
When you finish last or at least top 5, the opportunity presents itself for possible greatness and anybody who has a GM or owner who worries about flops is going to be a cronic loser anyways as they never take the chance to be great.
I want my team to be bold enough to at least try to be champions and not settle for an 8-8 season. It is one thing for a team to go from 2-14 to 8-8 and then on to being a serious Super Bowl team, than to be a team that is 8-8 or 9-7 or 7-9 every year. These franchises are never going to win anything and any fan who wants this is insane. There isn't a GM outside of Matt Millen who doesn't want a shot at a top 5 pick. They would all be very happy to risk failure for the huge rewards that awaits the successful.

ChefMike
05-21-2007, 11:12 AM
So building chemistry towards the end of the season to carry into next year is a waste of a season?

I think thats such a cliche... you don't build momentum for the next season.. those things never happen... I can't think of a Team that has "finished strong" and then went on to win in the playoffs or win the super bowl the next season. Football has a long off season unlike other leagues like the NBA or MLB where the seasons are longer and less taxing on the body.

ChefMike
05-21-2007, 11:14 AM
To answer the question of the Thread though.. is I would rather finish 8-8 I never want to see a Team like the Raiders last year as a fan I want to see my Team compete week in and week out and the coaching staff push to make the players better.